So, in a perfect time on YouTube, fellow
YouTubers can be friends and even
cohorts, and I trusted someone I
shouldn't. For those who haven't
noticed, I have a passing affiliation
with YouTuber Lily Orchard, introduced
by an old team member as their partner.
I really appreciated that Lily defended
me from the online hate. All her videos
about those are technically true and
correct, and I still appreciate that
gesture, but I learned some things a few
months ago. Lily has done some pretty
immoral things that I wasn't aware of
and I didn't go looking for originally
because of my own triggers. The biggest
is writing this fanfic called Stockholm.
I'm not going to go into the subject
matter too much because it's disgusting,
but it involves My Little Pony
characters having relationships with
coded children from the My Little Pony
universe. Lily claims she didn't write
this fanfiction, but there's tons and
tons and tons of evidence that she did,
and we'll get more to that later. Now,
something else I have the unfortunate
knowledge of is Lily also likes to lie.
When people brought up that she wrote
this fanfiction, she lied. Even though
there's amount of evidence that she did,
including audio of her discussing
character tropes in it. The interesting
thing about Stockholm is that it's
actually uh the Equestria depicted in
Stockholm is trigendered where you have
men, women, and interex women. And I
always thought we never really did as
many interesting things with that
concept as we could have. I mean, that
was like the big difference there. That
was the interesting thing we had and we
never really did anything with that. And
uh that's kind of something I'm I I've
always been just kind of kicking myself
for. So I think if we were to go back
and redo Stockholm, we would uh explore
that idea a little more. She also likes
to claim that anything that makes her
look bad is doctorred. All the receipts
from her fanfictions are doctorred. Some
of the lady grooming allegations that
we'll get to shortly are doctorred. And
AI, even though AI voices weren't
available publicly at that time. Doing a
simple Google search of Lily Orchard AI,
I couldn't find anything even remotely
close to what Lily claims is happening
to her. All this information that I had
the displeasure of catching up on over
the last few months makes me feel used
like a prop and not really a person. I
had a positive relationship with both
Lily and Michaela before I even learned
that Lily's sister Courtney is making
sexual assault allegations. I was six
and Lily 7. Lily started coercing me
into games in private. She usually would
ask me to sleep over in her room. And
with us being close at the time, I would
be happy to. It was during these
sleepovers she would try to and succeed
into talking me into things. Things like
letting her practice kissing on me,
asking me to come feel this, and would
grab my hand and stick it in a puddle of
what I now know to be [\h__\h] on her
stomach. She would wait until I was
asleep, or at least thought I was, stand
over top of me and masturbate,
ejaculating on my blankets and crawling
back into her bed to sleep. This went on
for about 4 years until I was old enough
to realize what she was doing to me
wasn't okay. She also started asking me
around this time what I thought about
incest, if I thought it was a good thing
or a bad thing and why. Like any normal
human being, I responded with disgust.
I'd caught her sneaking into my room a
few times, three to be exact. I'd wake
up to my door slowly creaking open and
her face pressing through the crack,
looking right at me to see if I was
asleep. And the rest just followed.
VCiality porn commissioned by minors,
flashing your tits on YouTube, which is
against YouTube terms of service, incest
shipping, pretending in [\h__\h] and
the list goes on and on and on and on. I
invited my friend Mad, who is Native
American, to discuss why pretending
culture isn't great, and also his own
culture background. Here's what he had
to say. Bju, my name is Marty, though
most people know me as Mad andor Mad
Waffles. I'm a member of KP's community,
the head moderator on her Discord
server, and a member of her team. I'm 29
at the time of writing, but will be 30
by the time of recording, and I'm a two
spirit person. Any pronouns are also
acceptable. I've been asked by KP to
record this for the purposes of the Lily
Orchard video and speak to some details,
concerns, and confusion regarding Lily's
status as a Native American, First
Nation, Indian, or American Indian
person. And as a brief aside before we
get started, as it was brought to my
attention that this is a point of
contention that may cause Lily to
dismiss any criticism sent her way, but
you may have noticed that I just said
American Indian and Indian. Both are
perfectly valid self-identifiers that
Native American people use across the
continent, but may become a bit tweaked
if a non-Indian uses it when speaking to
them. In the case of Indian presented on
its own, what I am saying is essentially
spelled N DN as it's become a pretty
popular internet era shorthand that has
come close to my heart that both
pronounces like Indian and can stand for
not dead native. But a lot of American
Indians also use that phrase, including
myself, to self-describe because of its
unique cultural proximity and
identification to use as it's the
closest thing to an American catchall
that sounds like an ethnic designator
rather than Native American, which
carries its own connotation of
association with the United States. Not
all of us are into that. Lily has on her
blog in the past likened the use of the
term Indian to our community's
equivalent of the Nsler. However, I
would argue that this is simply
performative baiting to make herself
seem both more progressive and more
Indian by blowing up at people who use
the term regardless of their ethnic
makeup. I would argue that the only
resemblance is that my mom is perfectly
fine using it to describe herself and by
being described as such by other members
of our culture, but has suppressed an
active urge to cut someone who is not of
the culture who calls her an Indian.
Before starting with any Lily related
things, I feel it's important to be
honest and clear about my own background
history as an Indian person. While I'm
not overly fixated on proving how Indian
I am or relying on my background to
equate me to being some kind of expert,
I feel like it's important for you to
know the source and background of this
information. I am what's called a white
passing First Nation person, meaning
that I basically don't go outside and
have become pale enough that if you give
me a fleeting glance, I might actually
pass for white or even some sort of
Asian, an ongoing argument at my
workplaces historically before
co-workers are explicitly told my
ethnicity. I've grown up in southern
Idaho near the Fort Hall Indian
Reservation of the same region. I have
largely lived there, San Diego and
northern Nevada throughout various
points of my life. However, my ethnicity
is an Ishabe and Aabaskcan and my
specific tribe is the Turtle Mountain
Band of Chipoa Indians. Technically,
that would be my reservation as well if
I didn't live two to four states away at
any given time. My great-g
grandandmother Siccilia and
great-grandfather are my primary
ancestors of concern through my
grandmother Charlene and my mother
Christine. I do have some supposed
patrineal ancestry through my biological
father, but the vagueness of the claim
as Cherokee has caused me to largely not
give it much thought or concern
regarding my cultural background. Though
I don't really mess with concepts like
blood quantum for the purposes of roles.
I do know that my blood quantum through
my mother is just shy of 1/8 as far as
Oji boy is concerned and roughly the
same amount in Apache around 11 point
something% in the former and about the
same to possibly more through the latter
due to a general lack of documentation
that start with my great great
grandmother Mary Riddle it is difficult
to know things for that line and as
mentioned my grandma sis's first husband
has been overall the opposite of helpful
with anything regarding any of his
lineal information a big issue with the
concept altogether honestly culturally
our family is very urban Indian with an
attempt to return to a more traditional
state of being in some areas while
staying modern in others. Our grandma
Cecilia has never really been specific
or willing to talk on Indian and school
things. So, her knowledge was lost and
taken by to our best guess the Brandon
Residential School, the Elorn
Residential School, or possibly Portage
La Prairie Residential School. This all
is to say, I don't pretend to be super
native or more or less Indian than
anyone else. Everything I speak on is
influenced by a cultural lens, the same
as anyone else and as our community is.
Things I say may not be true for every
Indian person, but that does not make
them any more or less authentic at the
end of the day. So very briefly, what is
a pretendian? Well, a pretendian is a
common slaying term used to describe a
person who falsely or an exaggerated
fashion claims various types of Indian
status, ethnicity, or cultural identity.
It's a type of cultural appropriation
that is very frequent and far-flung
across this continent, both knowing and
unknowing. For ends that can be either
innocent or nefarious. People in the
Americas have a long history of
misrepresenting themselves as Indian and
often it has coincided with some
financial incentive and with the era of
the internet a new type of social
currency has caused a rise in places of
false Indian claims. Historically,
pretends are often excluded on a
communal level. And through various
practices and tactics, a great number of
Indians have learned to spot pretending
claims and behaviors. But it's honestly
an exhausting thing to deal with and has
created a sort of strange toxic paranoia
among Indians in person and online both
that causes even some legitimate Indians
to be excluded because of a differing
cultural experience. Accordingly, any
accusations of pretendianism is very
serious just as much as the act itself
is. This is why I don't tend to level it
willy-nilly and only ever really call
out cases that are egregious, obvious,
or very toxic. So the standard by which
one typically substantiates their Indian
status in the government's eyes is
through a concept referred to commonly
as blood quantum. Blood quantum is
exactly what the name sounds like, a
quantification of blood or ethnic
genetics that one has inherited from
their parents. Blood quantum is often
described in casual conversation by
saying how much of a certain ethnic
group you are. HalfIrish, quarter
Scottish, 132nd Polish on your
grandmom's side, etc. But blood quantum
is an unpopular idea in the Indian
community as it has been historically
used to exclude people from enrollment
in tribal benefits and has been baked
into the cultural opinion of many native
people through a number of means but
primarily to serve the purpose of
gatekeeping Indianness. Blood quantum
despite having a vaguely scientific idea
is in fact bad science. It's been known
since 2003 that all humans are 99.6 to
99.9% identical on their DNA. And while
there's a ton of variation which can
occur in that point 4 to.1% it's largely
a concept that holds over from European
colonialism. Further from the variance
of shared genes between direct relatives
that can be low as 2% for factors of
traits that one associates with race.
There is almost no scientific basis to
the concept of race and largely becomes
attributed to some shared regional
physical attributes and stereotypes.
That's why the common idea of Indian
ethnicity has been gaining traction in
many online and in-person native
communities as ethnicity is
substantiated on culture and ancestry
rather than genetics. However, a lot of
Indian people will continue to judge
Indianism and designate between Indians
and pretends based on the standard.
Personally, I do not agree with it, but
it is a thing that is important to some
Indians. So, what makes a pretend? Well,
a standard that is almost universally
agreed upon is culture. One needs to
have some familiarity and involvement
with a native community of some degree
of size, understand the institutions and
norms, and exhibit some sort of social
behavior. Attending pow-wows,
interacting with the broader community,
helping your old uncle sell his extra
weed, making and eating native foods.
These types of things often are commonly
accepted cultural behaviors in Indians.
But not doing all of them isn't always a
reason to exclude someone. The people on
the American continents are so diverse
and varied that there is no certain way
to define a culture as the native one.
Or to say that there should be one
surefire Indian culture through
movements like the panindian one that do
try to create a hedgeimonyi that native
people can live together under. There is
still not an inherent monolith. What
does this mean? Well, it means that
identifying a pretend solely based on
cultural expectations is going to be
hard, especially if the observer in
question doesn't have a similar cultural
background or come from the same region
or linguistic group as the person
they're assessing. Basically, it's hard
to identify someone as pretending unless
they're trying to claim to be the same
or of a similar culture to your own,
especially if you're inquiring purely on
a cultural axis. But broadly speaking,
the following would be standards by
which I usually consider someone to be a
pretendian. And these are all ones which
I believe that Lily meets. They are
inconsistent, ignorant, monolithic, and
Cherokee. So all of this may bring up a
question of why why lie and misrepresent
yourself on something that is so
complicated and clearly hurtful and
important to so many people. The reasons
that one might be pretending are often
varied and specific to the individual.
But the most pertinent to Lily's case
would be money and deflection. In my
opinion, the need for legislation such
as the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of
1990 is indicative of how historically
harmful the claims of status and sale of
native or native style art has been on
First Nation communities throughout the
United States. And actors such as Iron
Eyes Cody, or as you might know him, the
crying Indian from that environmentalism
commercial, have historically found ways
to capitalize on native identity by
pretending and engaging in a performance
that is specifically curated to
colonizers perceptions and desires of
native people, occasionally in service
of non-native agendas and images. For
Lily, as a content creator, the
financial component is obvious. The
reality of monetized personalities
online is that all actions are on some
level money motivated. On some level,
Lily is trying to capitalize on being
native. Deflection is a common purpose
that some people see in being a pretend,
too, and one that I feel rings
especially true for Lily to shield
themselves from criticism on an issue or
statement. If someone says something
incorrect, despite having some or no
authority on the issue, they can simply
make a claim that, well, that's not how
I was raised to do it and I am from
insert tribe here in order to
essentially sidestep a criticism because
it no longer becomes about them but
their purported ethnicity. It is also an
effective way to leverage social
currency to make oneself an authority on
an issue by some sort of perceived
association in attempt to strengthen
their argument and deflect from further
critique. If you need indication of Lily
doing this herself, then simply search
Native, Native American, or First Nation
on her blog to see her talking over
people and using supposed status to
deflect when people point this out. It's
flagrant, obvious, and a touch gross.
I've spoken to Lily's sister, Courtney,
on a few occasions and would consider
her to be a friend. If she asked me to
do something, even if slightly
unreasonable, I'd likely do it. We have
a fairly good report. When assisting the
mod team with Lily's safety report, I
inquired as to some more concrete
details regarding Lily's ancestry when
penning the section of concern to her
native status. I feel it's important to
mention this in order to be clear on my
own bias towards my sources of
information regarding Lily as a person.
Courtney informed me that their maternal
great-g grandandmother through their
grandfather named Hank was Sock Fox and
Ikcoy. While this information could
imply that she has any number of 3 to
eight different ethnic groups within the
region in her ancestry, it also
similarly implies that her own blood
quantum was possibly not totally native.
The reason that BQ is coming up here is
because based on this claim through this
sole unenrolled ancestry and their
grandfather Hank puts them at about 1/8
total. Assuming that the shared traits
were passed down at a maximum for each
generation and even then it was split
between at least three distinct tribes
and no other ethnic traits came from his
one native parent. That means at best 4%
of their inherited traits are from any
of these people. In almost every case
across the continent, Lily wouldn't be
able to enroll for tribal benefits and
in Canada simply cannot due to how far
removed from their own tribe Lily's
family generation has become. Further
though, Courtney has confirmed that
their culture growing up in was
remarkably consistent with their fathers
and that they have been described as
more Newfoundlander than Canadian. And
based on Lily's previous claim to be
Cherokee and more recent clinging to a
status that their MCM cousins benefit
from as an indication that she is of
that particular ethnic group,
conversations with Courtney have
informed me that they're not even
related to the parent of those cousins
from who they get their status. But it
is doubtful to me that she has done any
of the work to connect no other native
people or learn about any of the
cultures she pretends to be of.
Previously on her Tumblr, she has
claimed Cherokee status openly, an
unlikely notion given how far Cherokee
lands are historically from Newf
Foundland and has since abridged it to
include other nations altogether. It is
not impossible for a Cherokee person to
wind up that far north, but it's not
terribly common either. I've told you a
lot of things here, and you can glean
from the way that I phrase them of what
my opinion might be, but to be clear,
I'm going to go ahead and say it now.
I'm not someone who invests a terribly
large amount of emotional energy into
pretendians, catching them, or trying
hard to recognize them. I tend to afford
people the grace of assuming that
they're being truthful until apparent
behavior emerges and perpetuates that
causes me to then become skeptical
later. The phrase I have frequently said
when people ask me about this is,
"Pretendians tend to out themselves
given enough time." And it's true
enough. Most pretends are not smart or
consistent enough to keep up such an act
perpetually and accurately and
believably indefinitely. Lily Pete
inarguably has some native ancestry.
This is not a thing that can be
discounted or taken from her, but it's
also not terribly important. The key
lynch pin to being an American Indian is
cultural, our values, beliefs, and ways
of being. It's why children who are
adopted with no blood quantum are, in my
eyes, just as native as their adopted
cousin, whose family has had 100% blood
quantum and never left the area of
origin of their people ever. through
several patterns of behavior and
testament via sibling. I am of the
opinion that Lily has not only showcased
that she is not native, but she is
actively a pretendian. Not only does she
misrepresent her actual ethnic ancestry,
but she chooses to exaggerate through
admission of how much an impact the
culture has had on her life and how much
she participates in it. The idea that
she would do this and speak for people
that she is not a part of and often over
a number of us has made me feel sick.
There is never a positive outcome for
being a pretendian. And the best one
that can be hoped for is that she admits
to this and either never claims status
again, becomes an ally, or makes an
active effort to connect to the culture,
learn, and grow from this wrong that
she's committed. In closing, I think
it's worth saying that based on
statements and information gathered, one
should come to their own conclusions.
That is only fair to Lily and to
yourself. I don't expect and wouldn't
want someone to solely use my word on
these issues. I can only speak to my own
outlook and the conclusions drawn
thereby, but I do appreciate you for
giving what I had to say a listen and
hope you all have a peaceful and kind
day. Back to you, KP. Here's all of
Lily's multiple names that she's used
online at this point. Warning that one
is a dead name, the one that she wrote
her fanfiction under. So, skip to this
time code if that makes you
uncomfortable. All dead naming after
this will be censored and links below if
you want to check my work. Lily Orchard,
Willy Pete, Jerry Pete, Terra, Cali,
Ball Spawn, etc. When I tried to
confront Lily about this and offered to
assist as a mod between her and
Courtney, I was blocked on all
platforms, and Lily, who claimed to be
in the hospital that day for what I
assume was a madeup injury now, was on
Tumblr 3 minutes later, claiming that
she felt used. Then she proceeded to
tell her fans not to reach out to me,
only so she could start painting a
narrative herself. Ick. I recorded this
conversation, which I'll play in a
second, to make sure the contents
weren't fabricated later since Silly
seems to be a pathological liar when
she's caught in hot water. I don't like
recording people without their
knowledge, but I had to both protect
myself as well as this being an
outofwater case for an alleged rapist.
[Music]
Hey, how are you? Hey, I'm all right.
How are you? Good, good. Um, how's your
how's your leg doing?
Uh well, it turns out uh I'm gonna I
have uh limited mobility. I cannot walk
very much. And as much as I I thought it
was just me being out of shape, turns
out I was actually I have an actual
chronic injury and I'm going to have to
buy a cane. Oh, that's that's that sucks
to hear. Are you going to be be okay?
Like
uh yeah, I'll be okay. I just need to
like not overdo it like I did the last
two days, right? That's fair. I mean, I
imagine um taking around would um would
kind of exacerbate that, right? Uh
walking around a lot.
Yeah.
Um okay. Well, I I just wanted to check
in because I just been kind of concerned
about some of the stuff I've been seeing
like regarding your your things. Are
like first of all, are you okay? Do you
need to talk about it more?
Uh, what do you mean specifically?
Um, I like I don't even know where to
start, but like
um like like your sister has did did a
YouTube video or something, right?
Oh, yeah. Courtney. Uh, I don't call
Courtney my sister anymore
because quite
frankly, she is a piece of work.
Um, Courtney has decided that because I
live a better life than her that she's
going to try and tell people that I
molested her as a child.
I didn't. Go on. Well, I I guess I guess
I under I understand. Um, but I it's
just kind of a lot on the table, I
guess, for me and in my triggers kind of
learning about that. Um, regardless like
of
um, you know, if if Courtney's unstable,
that's fine. But I guess like it just
seems like a lot of a lot of effort um
for for her to talk about it publicly or
start to as just kind of is is she just
trying to to slander you at this this
point? Like I'm just kind of
overstimulated and kind of confused at
right like right now. Yeah, she is.
She's just trying to uh slander me. I I
never I never touch Courtney. Um
years ago she claimed that our brother
did. Um, and I believed her at the time,
but now but uh I'm casting that in
serious doubt now that she's turning
that those exact same stories on me.
Right. Right. Um, so the other thing um
that I guess is kind of coming out of
the woodwork is this this fanfiction
that I didn't know about. Like not to
bring it up, but like I asked Michaela
about it a couple of years ago, like
when it was being brought up by like
just in general, and she said it had
something to do with your with your
trauma. I didn't I didn't push that, but
I guess just like I I don't Yeah. Oh,
okay. Here's how this goes. So, I was
really [\h__\h] pissed off at uh the fact
that Finn fiction just basically
basically just kind of let anything go
in regard in regards to content and just
hosted a shitload of child porn. So, I
wrote a book where basically a bunch of
p So, I wrote a a fick where a bunch of
pedophiles just get shot in the head and
then bronies got really mad about it and
started lying about its contents.
Right. Well, from my understanding, the
context or Scootaloo and some of the
other um CMC have like relations with
the um with Rainbow Dash and stuff.
Nope.
Right. Um why are you asking me about
all this? because I'm I'm I'm just kind
of confused about like what's going on.
And I just like if that were the case, I
don't like I don't know why if like it
was making the rounds again. I don't
know why you didn't you didn't tell me,
hey, you know, this like fanfiction's
making the round just so you like I have
to
like to to to kind of be exposed with
this with other people and I'm just kind
of just confused at I generally just
don't talk I just generally don't talk
about it because, you know, it's one of
the most it's it's one of the more
persistent pieces of fiction that pass
around about me because nothing get
Nothing passes the rounds better passes
the rounds more than transgirl predator,
right? Um and just Okay. Well, I just
don't talk about it. I don't acknowledge
it. I don't give it attention. That's
pretty much all it's been. Okay. Well, I
guess um at this point, regardless of
you v Courtourtney, like I understand I
think there's been some transphobia on
the table and that's not okay. So, as a
favor to you, if I reached out to
Courtney and got her to apologize for
the trans the trans. No, no, no. I do
not want you to reach out to Courtney at
all. Um, okay. Well, let me let me put
it this way. I don't feel comfortable
with any of this, Lily. I don't feel
comfortable with these allegations
against you. I just don't. So, all
right. Goodbye. Okay. Bye.
Now, since I don't believe I was a true
victim of the leak, yes, she lied to me
directly and passively for about 3
years, I thought I would use my platform
instead to reach out to victims of Lee
and talk about their own stories and why
she's a dangerous person and why she
should probably be deplatformed at this
point. I sat down and talked to Courtney
recently about how we came together and
how I started learning about
information. Here's that conversation.
Hello everyone. Welcome to the interview
section of the Lily video. Um, I have
Courtney with me. Say hi, Courtney. Hi,
everyone. So, there's been a lot of
questions about the timeline as far as
me understanding more of how Lily is,
how Lily be. And for the most part, I
was pretty much in the dark because I
didn't look up this stuff because of my
triggers. But, uh, Courtney and a bunch
of other people helped me learn me, I
guess, and it got ickier the more I
learned essentially. Courtney, I know
you did a video about this and people
can go look at the video if you want to.
It will be linked in the description and
stuff, but the general things were when
they raped you as a child, right? Yes.
And that's unfortunate. And like
something I've noticed too is there's a
big shift in the conversation between
before you were on the scene and after
you were on the scene as far as because
Stockholm the the the fanfiction Lily
wrote was kind of like well maybe she
shouldn't have done it but maybe it's
just a fanfiction versus like an actual
victim who would have had some physical
contact with her. So would you say like
like how's that been going just
generally? Well, the problem with that
is that Stockholm isn't just an edgy
fick. Like, it's a literal a literal
crime in Canada for Lily to have written
that. Like, the laws are literally
written material, visualists, like
pictureless material. If it depicts an
underage person sexually, it's child
porn. So, Lily made child porn by
writing that. Whether or not it's about
me at this point is irrelevant because
it's an actual crime just writing that
even if it's not about me, right? And
that's like she could get 14 years in
prison for it. I think something that a
lot of people don't really understand
is, you know, going into all of this
stuff and I believe she's been able to
get away with mostly because it's her
it's dead named like she doesn't
associate with it anymore. That and
she's just she spent so long separating
herself from it. Like first it was she
was fine admitting that she wrote it and
then it was she didn't write it and then
it was she only wrote parts of it and
now it's just completely made up by all
of us. Uhhuh. It's because she knows
it's a crime and like her own shift in
when she claimed it and when she stopped
claiming it is literally the year a man
in Nova Scotia got uh charged and
convicted of the same thing. Mhm. like
he got 10 years in prison and then she
went, "Oh no, that could happen to me."
I mean, it's just really transparent to
me like on hindsight knowing all this
stuff. Yeah. Um I guess back to um how I
started to learn about all this stuff.
So, I think what I what basically
happened is I was in another server
where I mentioned I was talking to Lily
and then that was around just around the
time you did your first testimony um on
YouTube about it and you know people
were like, "Oh, you're talking Lily.
Lily Lily did this. Lily did this." And
I'm like, "What?" Like, "What? What are
you talking about? I don't know. I don't
know anything." So, um then I reached
out to you and some other people as far
as what exactly was going on. Um when
was that? That was in August, right?
Something like that. September. Yeah, it
was late September. And I think it took
me like a whole week or two to kind of
go over everything because there was a
lot. I still haven't read the comic. I
don't really want to read the comic, but
just the general strokes of Lily being a
problem on the internet for a long time
and just she's in kind of a weird area
where, you know, she's able to get away
with it cuz her channel's not incredibly
big. But at the same time, again, now
that you're on the scene, I think it's a
whole different story.
She's also gotten away with it for so
long because she cultivates her fan base
so carefully. Like she boots anybody who
for like the slightest reason disagrees
with her. So that at this point she just
has a circle of yesmen. So like even
even if some of these people were
slapped in the face with proof, they're
not going to believe it because they've
been conditioned not to by Lily. Right.
And what really bothered me about um all
of this is she kind of used she compared
us and said like oh KP gets [\h__\h] I get
[\h__\h] too like the four genders are
making [\h__\h] about me and what and the
truth was that that's not uh fiction
that's actual like you know
so I don't know it just made me feel
really icky. Um, yeah. And it's just a
testament to how she manipulates her her
following because I mean, she
manipulated the certain triggers that
you have with your trauma to make sure
you wouldn't go looking at this [\h__\h]
she's accused of. And I think like and
the thing that also frustrates me is I
was spending so many spoons or so much
emotional energy trying to work with
Michaela once I was learning all this
stuff and try to talk to her first, but
I was basically rushed to talk to Willie
due to some third party um interference
essentially. And uh Michaela turned on a
dime essentially. And that also really
was upsetting because I like Michaela. I
think she's nice and you know I know
Michaela it's important for Michaela to
have a YouTube presence and I think a
lot of it have to do with that but yeah
do you remember anything else as far as
around that time that um that's worth
noting cuz that's what I remember mostly
like I was talking to you and I was
talking to other people and I was just
absorbing everything and at the time we
thought someone else was going to do
this video too so that's why that's why
we're making this video now in March
when all this happened like fall of last
here. Yeah. I just remember it being
really hard and just a lot of stuff to
absorb. Yeah. And there was a lot of
[\h__\h] honestly on so many different
ends coming at you. Um which was like
half of my problem with all of it. It
was everybody was assuming that you had
already known of everything that she was
that Lily was accused of and were just
going, "No, I'm just going to ignore
this all." Like so many
people even to me sat there and went
well KP supported this by doing this and
it's like in the reality of the
situation was you didn't even know that
was a thing because Lily does what she
does with manipulating people. Mhm. So
like I had I ended up myself fielding a
lot of [\h__\h] from people going,
"Well, KP platformed a predator." Yeah,
cuz she didn't know that she was
platforming a predator. That's not her
fault.
And then a whole bunch of other people
seem to think that you needed to all of
a sudden take this public stand of just
fighting my sister, which isn't like
it's not something anybody has to do.
Just because you have a platform
yourself doesn't mean you have to use
that to point out the wrongdoings of
somebody else. Yeah. And this is I mean
we're basically doing that, but I never
felt pressured from the community um
from the critical community, whatever,
to do something on my behalf. Like I'm
doing this because I want to because I'm
just tired of this [\h__\h] Frankly, I'm
tired of people just putting words in my
mouth. I'm tired of people, you know,
assuming that I was, again, I knew
things when I wasn't really paying
attention and I had other stuff going on
in my life. So, um, I appreciate you
guys for that. But, um, I mean, in all
honesty, if you were just choosing to
ignore everything, then you wouldn't
have bothered to even listen to my
testimony. Yeah. As soon as I realized
there was actual like crime going on or
like even before the fanfiction like um
I was like oh wait wait wait I'm because
I got hints that something was up like
people would know I associated with her
and just like well if it helps KP with
her trauma smiley face kind of so no one
told me directly even though people kind
of knew what was happening which is also
a little frustrating but I also get that
position of not wanting to tell your
friend that oh your other friend is
really icky.
It's a hard position to be in for sure.
So, and then um I remember demoting
Michaela from uh a mod status in the
server like as soon as I heard something
and yeah, she didn't even hear me out. I
tried privately to reach out to
Michaela. I tried to talk to other
people about this. I tried to talk to
Sketchy about this. Um no one really
wanted to listen to me. So, um and
there's nothing really I can do about
that. I did try I wanted to try to help
let people know that this was a thing
because the red flag to me was really
wasn't willing to talk to you at all
even if I was going to be the mediator
which and I could tell she was lying
when she was talking to me cuz she just
had really sharp quick answers like but
yeah, you know that's why I think it's
true. True. I think Courtney is telling
the truth and you know if if someone was
really just like she she builds herself
as this big bad guy who can just beat up
her stalkers but or whatever she calls
them. But when push comes to shove if
people confront her with real truth then
she just kind of gets scared and plays
victim from what I've seen. She just
goes no you. No you. No you. You're
you're the slave owners K or you're the
slave owner KP. which um again all that
stuff got debunked a while ago and I
wish I didn't sit on this as long as I
did but there's nothing really to do
like that's just who she is and I think
it's slowly getting worse and worse as
as Courtney speaks out as more people
speak out regarding Lily. I think that's
been the curvature for a couple of years
at this point because more people just
say hey Lily bad. Lily dady bad and the
people who don't know are usually new
people to her channel from what I've
seen. Yeah, that's kind of the state of
what things are right now. Any other
closing comments, remarks? Yeah, just
that like the people who sat there and
went, "Oh, KP is not doing anything." KP
was trying to protect the trans people
in her community. Okay, play off.
I mean, I tried to and I think I
succeeded cuz there are a few people who
I mean, and that's that's a thing that I
noticed that people were willing to
believe Lily because she was trans. And,
you know, I'm all for trans rights and
stuff like that, but you know, if
someone is objectively doing crime,
regardless of their gender identity or
their like if they're gay or whatever,
it that stuff doesn't matter if they're
just doing crimes and being a bad
person. So, like Lily being trans was
never a problem in my friendship with
her or Michaela cuz they're both trans.
I mean, trans, sis, gay, straight, those
are all adjectives. Who cares about
adjectives? You know, coercion, lying,
molestation, rap, these are verbs. We
care more about the verbs. And that's
something that Lily tries to kind of
hide behind is like, well, you don't
like trans people. You're transphobic
because you don't like me. And I'm just
like, no. Like, that's essentially like
me calling someone a Nazi every time
they don't like me. And I'm just like,
"Oh, Lily does that, too, though." But
she can't do that. She's not Jewish.
Like, she's also not claimed by any
nation, but claims she's native.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Talks about being a Cherokee princess
when Hank wasn't even Cherokee. Yep,
you're you're right. You're you're
right. Yeah. So, everything's
horrible. Lastly, I invited Britney,
Lily's first online victim, to speak
about her experiences. This is that
conversation. Hello. Hello. Hi.
What's up? Yeah. Don't be nervous.
Okay. I haven't heard this like this
whole story at all. I just know bits
like I told you. So, this should be
entertaining hopefully.
Yeah. Talking about this is kind of
rough and difficult cuz there was just
so much going on at the time. Mhm. A lot
of it I didn't find out until after I
had like we had had our falling out.
Mhm. Okay, let me let me do like an
intro first. Okay, so with me I have
Brit who um identifies as Lily's first
online victim. Correct. Yep. Yep. That
that we know of. So, uh Brit and I met
like the first night or one of the first
nights back in I think August or
September when I was like what's going
on? Lily's bad. Lily's this bad. and she
was like in the call and out and um I
didn't really know who she is because I
don't really there's a whole Lily
critical sphere thing that I didn't know
existed until all of that happened. So,
hi Brit, how are you doing? Oh, like I
said, ready as I'll ever be. Okay, so um
I haven't heard this story um in its
entirety. Um I just know it exists and I
believe it's a lot of Willie wanted to
date you and use sock puppets and stuff
to try to bait you. Was that generally
it? Yeah. Yeah. In a nutshell, that was
it. Okay. So, the floor is yours. How
did you guys start meeting and talking?
So, I met Lily in
2010 back when she had a a different
YouTube series called Rather Vocalized
Illusion. At the time, she was going by
Ball Spawn and she was in mask mode. So,
at the time, she was identifying as a
cisgender man. Mhm. Her uh web series
pretty much ripped off zero punctuation.
Like she didn't talk about video games.
It was more social commentary. I came
across her a video that she did about
the lavender tone tone syndrome, which
was a big thing in the creepy pasta
spheres back then. And I ended up
sending her a private message on YouTube
cuz that was before YouTube got bought
by Google. So they had their own private
message system. sent her a message. She
responded and it started out with me
wanting to like suggesting a video
topic. We ended up talking back and
forth and moving to Skype. I don't have
access to a lot of our earliest
conversations because they were on an
old laptop of mine and how Skype worked
is if you didn't have the original
computer that you had the conversations
on, then they were just lost to time.
Mhm. So the conversations I have in my
chat logs consist of the conversations
from the laptop that I had after that
and the Terra Cali logs which were from
2013. I was able to access those because
they were on Facebook. So pretty much
the majority of our quote unquote
friendship was Lily desperately trying
to get me into a sexual relationship
with her. Mhm. She made it very clear
that she had a crush on me. And I
repeatedly made it very clear that I was
a lesbian. I wasn't into her like
that. But at the time,
I also felt very bad about it cuz I was
not in the best headsp space at the
time. You felt bad for letting her down.
Yeah, basically. cuz I was I met her at
17, turned 18 shortly after that, and we
knew each other up until I was like 19
or 20. Mhm. And like what was it like to
have that initial correspondence?
Because I know like me being a YouTuber,
I don't have time to respond to everyone
ever. So I imagine like when people
start DMing a YouTuber that they admire,
it's like a really big deal. Is that
kind of how it felt? I mean, kind of
sort of. At the time she was very small,
like she didn't really have an audience
or a following. It was when she was
first getting her YouTube channel off
the ground. Mhm. So, there was a little
bit of that cuz I did admire her and I
thought she was funny at the time.
Hindsight's 2020. But like the whole
reason I felt comfortable enough to
message her in the first place was
because she was smaller. So,
there wasn't as much of that star struck
going on. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to I
was just curious where you were in that
um on that sphere, but yeah, continue.
Um you guys were talking over Skype.
Yeah, like I said, it's hard to keep
this stuff straight cuz it's I was going
through some [\h__\h] at the time. Mhm. So,
Lily got me at a very vulnerable time in
my life. My home situation was not good
to say the least. Uh, I'd gone through
some very dark circumstances and I'd
been let down by the justice system and
let down by my family over it. So,
she used that to her advantage a lot.
I'm a recovering fawner and at the time
I had no idea what that was. So, she was
able to get in my head a lot and make me
feel extremely guilty for not returning
these feelings that she had for me. Mhm.
Can you give an example? It's Yeah, it's
hard to give a specific example for
that. Like, a lot of it is in my chat
logs. It was just a constant or near
constant
her trying to roleplay like being
physically affectionate with me and her
using the Terra Cali sock puppet to try
and manipulate and coers me into it. She
would sometimes she would try to frame
it as, oh, you should send Lily this as
a
joke. At one point, she claimed to set
up a fundraiser for me when I was going
through some difficult housing
situations.
Mhm. She tried
to basically convince me that I should
have been sexual with her to show her
gratitude for that.
At one point, she even went as far as to
try and reveal herself on a video call
with me, and she framed it as trying to
help me get over my fear of
men in relation to the abuse that I had
been through. Mhm. So there was pretty
much no low that she didn't sink to in
trying to convince and coers me into
being sexual with her. And I did end up
capitulating a few
times just because I I felt bad and I
was questioning my own sexuality at that
point.
She was really digging into that. It's
like any vulnerability that she knew
about, which she knew about a lot of
them because I was naive and I trusted
her, she would exploit. Um, so you
mentioned that Terra Cali, so can you
tell people what that is? Lily claimed
that Tara Cali was a friend of hers that
lived in her neighborhood and that she
directed and helped with some of the
production of her earlier videos. She
was even shown in the credits of some of
those earlier videos. Around
2013, there was a Facebook account made
for her that she started messaging me
from, which was again mostly as a means
for Lily
to vent her more sick and twisted
fetishes and fantasies and all sorts of
disgusting crap while not not having it
technically be tied to her name. Uh,
Terra Cali didn't exist. It took me a
while to figure that out. She had her
own Tumblr account, which is still up.
Uh toward the end of mine and Lily and
quote unquote Tara's interactions, I had
started doubting that Terra
existed. Because I tried on numerous
occasions to get any sort of solid proof
of her existence. I never heard her
voice. I never saw her on video. There
was only one picture associated with her
which is fake. What was the moment where
you realized it was um it was Lily? It
was sort of a gradual thing. It was just
a combination of the strange excuses
that she would have every time I would
try to get her to either come on voice
or send a voice message
or send a photo or do anything that
would have proven her existence. It was
always, "Oh, I can't go on voice because
people might record me and I'll end up
with creepers in my inbox." Or, "Oh, I
can't get on voice because I have a
vocal cord injury and my voice is too
harsh to pick up on a mic. I can't come
on cam because of creepy people. I can't
come on cam because of this or that." It
was always something and it was just
very hard catfisher vibes. Oh, yeah.
That sounds like it. It sounds like she
like, you know, she wanted to put extra
pressure on you to get what she wanted.
Is this about around the same time where
she told people she was beating up
Courtney and stuff? If I remember
correctly, that would come up randomly
pretty much throughout the entirety of
her online existence. She would make
references to her family about how her
parents suck, how she'd get into fights
with her dad, how she'd get into fights
with Courtney, just all sorts of [\h__\h] I
gotcha. I gotcha. So, what was the point
where you realized that she was no good?
And like what was the fallout? This is
something I've wanted to clear up for a
while because a lot of people that know
kind of about this think our falling out
was over World of Warcraft. That's not
anti that's not like the full story.
Like that was the catalyst and the
excuse that she
used, but it was building up for a while
prior to that. Mhm. She started becoming
very like she'd always gone through
these mood cycles where we'd be fine and
she'd be really sweet and nice to me and
affectionate and then her mood would
flip and she'd get very angry and just
self-deprecating and lashing out at me
and nothing I said would help. Mhm.
So toward the end, she started getting
even more aggressive with me cuz I was
by that point I had moved out of my
parents house and was in a really bad
relationship with somebody. Uh and what
what year was this about? Our falling
out was 2015. Okay. So you're friends
with her for 5 years. Yep. Yeah. Okay.
So by then I was in a bad relationship.
So, I was dealing with more crap in my
real life and couldn't be at her beck
and call 24/7 like I was before. Mhm.
And I think that was making her angry at
me. So, like I'd be online doing other
things and not responding as quickly as
she wanted me to and she'd get angry at
me for that. I'd tell her that I was too
anxious to deal with, you know, if she
was in a really rough spot and I wasn't
in the mental space to be able to handle
that because I was also in a rough spot.
She'd get angry at me for that. Mhm.
She'd make fun of me and downplay my
anxiety
issues. She made fun of my beliefs at
the time. It was just toward the end it
was getting really really bad to the
point where I felt afraid to approach
her at all, especially if I knew she was
in a mood. Mhm. So, I kind of started
avoiding her because I was afraid to
talk to her about it. The few times I
had tried, it hadn't gone well. Yeah.
There was a point where I noticed that
she had unfriended me and then
reffriended me on Skype. She had sent me
messages and then deleted them. and she
would do that kind of thing and then
come back and apologize for being an
[\h__\h] and give me an excuse. One of
the ones that I remember was she blamed
it on caffeine
withdrawal.
So, at one point I tried to approach her
about it and just said I needed to talk
to her and she was like, "Well, I'm
getting offline in this amount of time,"
which was like 30 minutes to an hour.
Mhm. And I was like, "Okay, well, never
mind. we can do this some other time
when we don't have a time crunch. And
she came back with, "No, you do it now
or you won't do it ever, blah blah
blah." And I ended up getting offline
because I just couldn't handle it. Mhm.
And when I logged back in, I logged back
in and she had sent me
this barrage of
messages basically telling me that I had
a time limit that she expected me to
basically come crawling back to her and
talk to her or else we were no longer
going to be friends. Mhm. And at that
point, I just kind of snapped. And I
sent her this paragraph just basically
laying into her for everything, telling
her that she had had me on eggshells,
that I was afraid to talk to her about
things because I knew she was either
going to lash out at me or not
listen. L just going off at her for how
she handled the whole World of Warcraft
situation, which was so stupid. like
that. That was an argument that her and
I had a few times and what it boiled
down to was I was curious about getting
into the game. She was super into it at
the time. So, I had asked her if she
minded if I asked her questions about
it, like the lore and the mechanics and
whatnot. And she said, "Yeah." Cuz at
the time, the computer that I had was
just bottom shelf, bare bones. it
couldn't run anything gaming wise, like
not even World of Warcraft. For some
reason, she just refused to believe
that. So, I told her like, "I'm working
on getting a better computer and once I
have one, I'll download it and play with
you." And she just would not take that
as an answer. She just kept telling me
that I needed to download the game, that
I'm never going to do it, that just
basically saying that I didn't know my
own computer specs and what it could do
and all this other crap. So, it was like
it was the dumbest thing. This is like
just wait for me to get a better
computer. Like, this shouldn't even be a
fight. And then she started getting
annoyed at me for asking her questions
about the game when she she said I could
and never told me like, "Hey, I kind of
don't want you to do this anymore." She
never communicated that to me. She would
just get pissy with me about it. Mhm.
Which was just confusing. And she'd do
that a lot.
Like she'd tell you one thing and then
get mad at you for doing it later
without communicating that it's a
problem now. Mhm. After I came back into
the
picture and realized that she was with
Lizzy, I found out how long she'd been
with her. And I kind of started doing
the math in my head and
realized she had to have been talking to
Lizzy before her and I had our falling
out. And she never told me. So, what I
actually think happened there was she
had met
Lizzy, who was someone that she was, I
guess, trying to be in a relationship
with and who was more willing to be in a
relationship with her, which meant she
no longer needed to keep me around
because it was harder for her to get me
to do things that she wanted me to do.
Mhm. And she needed a quote unquote
legitimate excuse to kick me out of her
life because she had Lizzy now. So I
think that was the main factor of her
just torching the friendship over
something stupid.
So you weren't like a person, you were
just someone that could be sexual
gratification essentially. Yeah, pretty
much. And you it it's obvious in my chat
logs anytime like
she since I've come back and started
talking about my experiences with her.
She has called me everything under the
sun from a fair weather friend to trying
to say I was the abusive one in the
situation blah blah blah. And it's funny
that she would call me the fair weather
friend because anytime I would try to
confide in her things that were going on
in my life, she would just completely
ignore it. She would change the subject.
Oftent times she would make some [\h__\h]
up. Like at one point my brother ended
up with a very bad blood infection that
almost sent him into organ failure. And
I told her about that and her response
was Terra Callie getting arrested. Did
not acknowledge what I was going through
at all and just made up a story about
her sock puppet getting arrested. Yeah,
I heard bits and pieces like she got
pregnant and you know like just just
really obvious lies that you know were
obvious. See, the pregnancy thing, that
was before Tara Cali became an online
sock puppet. That's more Courtney's side
of the story. Mhm. Cuz I just recently
found out from Courtney that Tara Callie
was I guess her quote unquote beta
version was someone that Lily would make
up to her family. Mhm. And then she
brought that on the internet and made it
a sock puppet. Mhm. So Terra Cali
according to Lily was infertile when she
was on the internet. The Terra Cali
background is where it gets really dark.
So allegedly, well, Ter, the story that
Lily has for Tara Cali is that she was
formerly from California and moved to
Canada because she got kicked out of her
parents' house because her parents
caught her doing things with her
underage teenage sister who and at one
point the story went that the underage
teenage sister tried to run from
California to Canada and froze to death.
Terra Cali was also allegedly in a
sexual relationship with her older
brother who died in the military.
So yeah, there there was a lot of um
very gross aspects to her story. She was
a
self-described
nyomaniac, a self-described I don't know
if I can say this for YouTube, but uh we
can censor it. someone who shouldn't be
around children. Mhm. And the
arrest, like the story of the arrest has
changed over the years since Lily has
done her best to try and cover her ass
and can't keep her story straight about
it. But the story that I was told and
the story that she alluded to publicly
on her Tumblr back then was that Terra
Callie had been arrested for several
incidences of child predation and
possession of illegal material involving
children. In terms of the arrest, the
story that Lily will tell today about
it, if she acknowledges Terara's
existence at all, because she flip-flops
between acknowledging her existence to
changing her name to Allison, so people
can't look her up to denying that she
ever knew this person. So, the story I
was told was Terra got arrested for
weird [\h__\h] involving children. The story
Lily tells about how she handled it now
was that she basically played the hero
and went and told the police and led
them to her computer and all this other
[\h__\h] What happened with me and what she
told me was that when this occurred, she
asked me whether I thought that she
should go over there and delete Terara's
hard
drives so that she wouldn't get a 30 to
life sentence or whatever. That's a lot
of It's a lot of pressure. Uh-huh. And
yeah, in hindsight, I'm ridiculously
embarrassed with how I responded to a
lot of what went on back then. Mhm. I
just I didn't know what the hell to do
cuz 2 years prior to all that, I had had
my own situation not believed by law
enforcement or my family. Back then, you
couldn't just call internationally the
way you can today, not even over the
internet.
So, I was in this weird position where
Lily and quote unquote Terra were taking
advantage of my own vulnerabilities and
normalizing a lot of this stuff. And I
was at a point where I like if if my own
local law enforcement didn't believe
something that happened to me, how the
hell was I going to get in contact with
law enforcement in another country over
someone that I wasn't even sure really
existed at the time? Mhm. And I wish I'd
walked away. Mhm. I mean, that makes
sense. It's that So, uh, when did you
start becoming more vocal? because I I
know now that a lot of people are on
Tumblr as far as just talking about
Lily, sharing screenshots about stuff
she said and Stockholm and stuff. So, in
2017, I decided to look up her channel
one day just to see how she was doing.
And I didn't watch any of her videos,
but I did see the one where she had
officially come out as trans. And my
initial reaction to that was I was happy
for her. I assumed and hoped that she
had become more comfortable in her own
skin and had calmed down a lot cuz at
the time I thought that I was the only
one that she had treated that way. Mhm.
A little bit after that, I saw Josh
Scorcher's video talking about his
experiences with her. And that's when it
clicked that not only is she treating
other people like that, she's using her
platform to do it. Mhm. Cuz her and I
were still talking when her and Josh
Scorcher started talking. Mhm. And she
had told me that she had a crush on him
and looked up to him and all this other
stuff. So realizing that she had treated
him that way after speaking so highly of
him, like I immediately got scared. I
started googling her to see if anything
else had come out and I came across the
fruit site thread. At the time I didn't
know the reputation of that website.
Like I had never heard of it before that
point. I just saw that she had a thread
there and they were talking about the
Terra Cali rumors, the rumors of her
being into animals, rumors of her being
into kids, the Josh Scorcher stuff, the
old fanfictions, like all of it. And I
was surprised to see anyone talking
about it, let alone as deeply as they
were going. A lot of the rumors at that
point were unsubstantiated.
and I had evidence of all of them. So at
that point, I felt that I had a
responsibility to share the logs that I
had that proved that she was dangerous
because she is. Mhm. I was the one that
had all the proof that she is into
animals, she is into children, that the
Terra Cali sock puppet existed and she
was using it to basically groom not only
me but Blake Diamond and a few others.
And I wasn't on Tumblr when Lily and I
were talking, so I didn't see a lot of
what she was posting on there back then.
I started looking into some of the
archives that other people had kept of
hers. I started looking into the Voris
Vixen Tumblr account, which is the one
associated with TK
Ali. And there was a lot more going on
in public that I didn't know about. Mhm.
which kind of tied into the stuff that
was going on with us in
private, especially in regards to the
rather vocalized illusion comic strips
that she would make that often involved
me. Yeah, I heard about those. But
continue. Yeah, I never had any input on
those comics. Like, not even the ones
that involved me. Like, she would do
them and sometimes she would show me,
sometimes she wouldn't. She made merch
at one point. I don't know or think she
sold any of it, but there is a
screenshot floating around of a credit
roll from one of her old videos where
she's wearing a shirt that features me
and her other real life friend.
And in hindsight, she was the way she
depicted me and our relationship was
very much trying to push this public
view of like she was trying to encourage
her audience to ship us pretty much.
Yeah. Like even my old TV tropes page
that she made of my character, which I
still have a screenshot of, like it even
acknowledges in that that there was a
one-sided sexual dynamic between us.
Mhm. So, like Lily knew full well what
she was doing. It was private pressure
between her and the sock puppet and
public pressure with trying to get her
audience to ship us. And the fallout had
to do like did you just you ignored her
when you um when she sent the count the
countdown, right? The Well, I wasn't I
wasn't online at the time. Like she
thought that I had just gone invisible
and was ignoring her, but I had fully
signed out of Skype. Mhm. because I was
dealing with like I had gotten out of my
bad relationship and had to move back
home. So, I was dealing with all the
fallout and implications of that. Like I
was mentally and emotionally an absolute
mess at the time. Mhm. So, when she
started trying to come at me with that
kind of attitude, I just shut down and
could not deal with it. And that and
that was it. That was the end of the
friendship, right? Pretty much. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I only have a couple more
questions, but like um what has the
experience been like maintaining your
blog? And has it been therapeutic? Has
it been stressful? All of the above
really? Cuz I I think you're the I think
you're the only one still like besides
Courtney obviously that is still like
I'm here and Lily is still bad cuz um
Shiloh left the internet. Um, yeah, I'm
I'm pretty much aside from Courtney, I'm
I've been around the longest. I'm one of
the oldest lore
keepers. Lore keepers.
It's not a title that I'm proud of. It's
It's been therapeutic in some ways and
just extremely frustrating in others
because
I've I've had to deal with
Lily just twisting every aspect of
everything I say. I've had to watch her
do to others what she has done to me.
I've had to watch her over the years get
away with just absolutely heinous
[\h__\h] both in public and in private.
Mhm. And she still has people that just
blindly believe everything she
says. I've been called everything from a
fair weather friend to a sexual abuser
to a stalker to a Nazi to a racist to a
trans phobe. Like you name it, she has
called me it. At some point she's tried
to like her stories about me have
changed over the years from, oh, I
barely knew her and Blake. They were
charity
cases, blah blah blah, to, "Oh, she was
a fair weather friend and she was only
there for me when I was in a good mood,"
which isn't true.
I did my best to try and support her
when she was having her mental breaks.
It's just when she's like that, there's
nothing you can say or do that will
help. She just wants somebody that she
can use as a punching bag to take her
[\h__\h] out on. Was she verbally abusive
during those fits? Oh, yeah. Like I we
rarely I never really got on calls with
her when she was like that. Mhm. But
yeah, she
was when she was like that, she could
get extremely cruel. Like she would hit
you where she knew it would hurt. She
would try to make you feel stupid. She
would try to make you doubt your own
beliefs about yourself.
She would harshly judge every decision
that you made. if you expressed wanting
to get into a hobby or c like she did
she did this to Michaela too actually
like I had brought up at one point
wanting to try and become a YouTuber in
the commentary community she immediately
cut that down so like she she's just a
cruel person but she will breadcrumb you
with bits of affection and support
and flirting and just she'll be nice to
you so that she can be cruel to do
later, right? And like I have a
different experience because I was never
really interested like I didn't to for
the record I don't really I didn't
really understand the the Josh Scorcher
stuff. I just knew that they had a
falling out and um something
about Spike being a slave or something
like that. Um so anyway, I didn't really
understand it, but it was uh Michaela
who was like, "You should talk to Lily.
You should talk to Lily." Oh, we're
getting engaged and I trusted Michaela
at the time. I'm like, okay, well, if
Michaela says, she's good and, you know,
maybe she's like me who's gotten beat up
by the internet, you know. So, then she
kind of wrote me in and she was the one
who wanted to talk to me and I was just
kind of like like I was in her um I was
in her Discord server and
um you know, she let me kind of just do
whatever. And I didn't realize at the
time why she she told me she liked me or
she I was attractive multiple times, you
know, just just stuff like
that. I don't think from what I can
recall, I don't think she has ever had a
single person in her life that she has
been close to in any capacity that she
hasn't tried to turn into either a
sexual or romantic situation at some
point. Mhm. More recently, she's tried
to twist it and claim that, well, she's
tried to claim that I was sexually
abusive toward her on numerous
occasions. And more recently, she has
just gone fully masked off and has
started pushing this narrative that she
has openly admitted that her and I were
sexual at one point and she's trying to
frame it as I wanted it at the time and
now I'm calling her abusive because I
regret it. But here's the thing, Lily
and I, when we knew each other, Lily was
not, there was no indication from her
that she was trans. Like, she was fully
mask mode. Mhm. And I'm a lesbian. So,
by her claiming openly that we were
sexual at one point, she's basically
admitting to coercion, right? Because
y'all can read in my chat logs how many
times I told her no. You can see how
guilty I felt over it. How much she
tried to break me down both directly and
through Terra Cali. How often I said I
can't be with men that way. I'm not
interested in you that way. And now
she's
it's it makes my skin crawl how far she
has gone with this to where now she she
thinks that she doesn't even need to
hide it anymore. Right. If I thought
that I was the only person that she had
treated this way, I would never have
said anything. It wasn't until I
realized that she was treating other
people like this and that she was using
her platform as a means to lure people
in and use them,
including minors. Yeah. Like that's the
part that scares me the most because I
know for a fact that she is into miners
that way. I know for a fact she is into
animals that way. She has openly told me
herself.
She has written about it in her
fanfictions
consistently. Oh, and that reminds me,
she did write Stockholm. I was there. I
was there. I was there when she was
writing it. I I didn't know how bad it
was until well after the fact, but she
did write Stockholm as it is. It was not
edited in any way. She wrote it like
that and she was proud of it. And
there's another fick that not a lot of
people know about that came before it,
which in my opinion is somewhat worse
because
it's
Stockholm. She tries to use, oh well,
this bad person was punished in the
narrative, so it's fine. Which, first of
all, isn't
true. And second of all, the first fic
that she wrote doesn't have any of that.
It's a short. It was written under the
pen name of her sock puppet, which is
Alcorative.
And the reason I know that's the pen
name of her sock puppet is because there
is a post on the Terra Cali Tumblr where
she takes credit for
it. And the Alcorative username has
popped up in multiple places since Terra
Calli's alleged arrest.
There's a fick, which I don't even
really want to say the title of it
because I don't want people to go
looking it up, but
basically it was incestuous because of
course it was. It
involved an underage OC that was popular
at the time, not one of hers, but an OC
from a different different author,
different fanfic. And it was this OC and
Twilight Sparkle. And the story was that
Twilight had adopted this young child
OC. The child OC expressed that she had
a crush on Twilight Sparkle. Twilight
leaned into it
and pretty much the entire fic is one
long
extremely
disturbing bathtub scene. Yeah. Yeah.
It's extremely graphic. It's It is a
child predator's wet dream, like full
stop. And that was basically Stockholm
1.0 because she wrote that before she
ended up writing Stockholm. And I think
she wrote that under a different name to
see if she could get away with it and
see what her audience reaction would be.
Mhm.
And then she went even further and wrote
Stockholm
and completely tormented her co-author
throughout that entire process. Like in
what way? The
co-author was a lot like me at the time.
She's she was very sweet, shy,
softspoken. She didn't really stand up
for herself a lot. And what I've
gathered, you know, after coming back to
this and looking through some of the
archive public posts, Lily, there's a
post of an interaction between Lily and
her where Lily straight up says, "You're
talking to the person who convinced her
to write Rainbow Dash as a pedophile."
There's posts of the co-author talking
about how it was extremely difficult for
her to be involved in that to the point
where she'd have emotional breakdowns
about it. And at one point there was a
scene where that Lily wanted to do that
was
so dark and so awful that she had such a
massive emotional breakdown about it
that Lily that was the one scene that
Lily decided not to put in. And
eventually the co-author was kicked off
of the project by Lily because she
started pushing back too much on things
that Lily wanted to do.
And I I truly think Lily gets off on
doing that kind of [\h__\h] to people. She
likes breaking people down. She likes
pushing boundaries.
She
likes feeling like she has the control
and the ability to force coarse and
manipulate people into
doing or being a part of
really dark and disgusting
[\h__\h] She she has no remorse.
And anytime she falls out with somebody,
if someone walks away from her, or if
she discards
someone, she will
either act like she never really knew
the person that well and they weren't
close at all. She'll try and say that
she was the victim in the
situation. Or she'll just write them off
as a insert bigot here. It's it's never
her fault. She's always the victim and
she uses that to lure people in. She
used it with me. With me it was she was
a victim of her family. With Lizzy, I'm
sure it was she was a victim of her
family and a victim of me. Then it was,
"Oh, I'm a victim of Lizzy." Like it
that's always how it goes. She will get
a hold of
people. She will use them until they
can't take it anymore. She'll throw them
away. And then she will paint herself as
the victim to get someone else in. Mhm.
And it genuinely scares me that she's
had a platform for as long as she has.
Yeah. I mean, that's what she's kind of
starting to do with me. I think she's
kind of doesn't know what what I'm going
to do from what I can tell. But like
she's like, "Oh, KP got upset about this
thing." And I'm just like, "No, that's
not that's not what happened." Yeah.
That's that's what she always does. Like
if someone falls out with her, before
they can start talking about what they
went through, she will start weaving a
narrative to cover her ass and discredit
whoever she thinks is going to start
talking about her. Yeah, that was
something we noticed like as soon as I
was done with that call, she was on
Tumblr like allegedly with a um well,
she was in the hospital like I know she
she was a bad liar, but um she's like,
"I feel so used." And like it was like a
3minut clock. I'm just like, "Yeah,
she's
she's one of the biggest projectors I
have ever witnessed in my [\h__\h] life."
Like, she will shamelessly take whatever
she did to you and flip it to where she
was the victim of the thing that she did
to you, right? And she has done it with
every single person that I have seen
roll through her general orbit over the
years.
Mhm. Um, any notes to end on that you
want to add? Um, well, besides
Yeah. Well, if anyone out there is still
in Lily's camp and thinks I'm a no good,
lying full of [\h__\h] whatever, I've got
my chat logs that back up everything
I've said here in regards to my
interactions with her and the sock
puppet. There is a ton of archived
evidence of her own public Tumblr posts
that she has long since deleted. There
is archived evidence of the two fanfics
that I've mentioned here. They are not
edited in any way. None of us have the
time or the desire to edit 10ish years
worth of
[\h__\h] And you cannot a lot of the public
Tumblr posts aren't just screenshot
they're archived on the way back machine
which you as far as I know you can't
edit that like right it's a snapshot of
a web page like you can't no you can't
just go in and mess with that. Mhm.
So yeah there's there's ton there's
years worth of testimony and there's
years worth of documented archive
evidence of all of this stuff. Mhm. And
where can people find you if they um
they have more questions? My Tumblr blog
is Brits Galaxy Brain. I've kind of
stepped away for now, but I still check
in from time to time in case anyone
wants to DM me or send me asks. Mhm. You
can reach me on there. Cool. Well, sorry
that this isn't a fun conversation, but
I appreciate your time.
[Music]
H this is something I've wanted to get
out for a while. So, thank you for
letting me come on and giving me a
platform. Yeah, of course. I just
remembered this. This is something I
wanted to bring up. In terms of her old
fanfics in Stockholm and whatnot, the
fanfix that she swears up and down she
didn't write and has no idea what
anyone's talking about. One of the
characters that she still uses to this
day and that people still draw art of to
this day is from one of her Stockholm
installations
cuz there was actually a handful of
them. Like it was a series. It wasn't
just one fig. Her character Sage, who is
the rainbow, more feminine boy character
that she has right now. Originally, Sage
was Spectrum Dash from the Stockholm
installation of the Dash family, who was
the son of Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy,
who, if I remember correctly, in the
Dash family was in an incestuous
relationship with his sibling and both
of his parents. M and that is a
character that she still uses rebranded
and pretends that she has no idea where
he came from. I mean like that was she's
just a bad liar. Like I hate to I mean
it's I I just remember like up to the
call is just like oh I I broke my leg.
Lizzy did a thing. And I'm just like oh
see that's an old story of hers too that
she's recycled. Mhm. cuz back in the day
she claimed to have a limp from an
alleged ex-girlfriend stabbing her
either in the back or in the leg. She's
claimed to have been stabbed in the eye
with a nail file. Not only is she a bad
liar, but she recycles a lot of her old
stories, but because she has her
audience so scared to look into any of
this because they're afraid that they're
going to be wrong and end up being as
bad as the evil, bigoted stalkers that
are after her. They don't go research
this stuff because she's got them
convinced that it's all fake. It's all a
smear campaign. We're all out to get her
because she's trans. were all out to get
her because she's indigenous, which
she's not. It's it it doesn't have
anything to do with any of that. It has
to do with the fact that she is a
genuinely
monstrous, disgusting person who should
not have a platform, who should not be
allowed around kids or animals or really
any vulnerable individual.
Mhm. Especially if you've been through
any kind of abuse because she will
exploit the [\h__\h] out of that. So, there
you have it. The thing to remember is
that I beat my horrible claims with
proof, confessions, and general hard
facts. Lily and Michaela, to a lesser
extent, don't have that privilege. So,
that's why I thought it was important to
make this video. I'd appreciate if you
spread it around and note that this
video is not going to be monetized in
any way. I don't plan to make any other
videos about Lily. A lot of other
YouTubers are doing something similar,
unless things just kind of get stupid. I
ain't free to nobody. Stay safe out
there.