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So, in a perfect time on YouTube, fellow

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So, in a perfect time on YouTube, fellow
 

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So, in a perfect time on YouTube, fellow
YouTubers can be friends and even

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YouTubers can be friends and even
 

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YouTubers can be friends and even
cohorts, and I trusted someone I

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cohorts, and I trusted someone I
 

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cohorts, and I trusted someone I
shouldn't. For those who haven't

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shouldn't. For those who haven't
 

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shouldn't. For those who haven't
noticed, I have a passing affiliation

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noticed, I have a passing affiliation
 

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noticed, I have a passing affiliation
with YouTuber Lily Orchard, introduced

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with YouTuber Lily Orchard, introduced
 

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with YouTuber Lily Orchard, introduced
by an old team member as their partner.

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by an old team member as their partner.
 

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by an old team member as their partner.
I really appreciated that Lily defended

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I really appreciated that Lily defended
 

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I really appreciated that Lily defended
me from the online hate. All her videos

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me from the online hate. All her videos
 

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me from the online hate. All her videos
about those are technically true and

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about those are technically true and
 

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about those are technically true and
correct, and I still appreciate that

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correct, and I still appreciate that
 

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correct, and I still appreciate that
gesture, but I learned some things a few

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gesture, but I learned some things a few
 

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gesture, but I learned some things a few
months ago. Lily has done some pretty

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months ago. Lily has done some pretty
 

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months ago. Lily has done some pretty
immoral things that I wasn't aware of

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immoral things that I wasn't aware of
 

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immoral things that I wasn't aware of
and I didn't go looking for originally

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and I didn't go looking for originally
 

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and I didn't go looking for originally
because of my own triggers. The biggest

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because of my own triggers. The biggest
 

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because of my own triggers. The biggest
is writing this fanfic called Stockholm.

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is writing this fanfic called Stockholm.
 

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is writing this fanfic called Stockholm.
I'm not going to go into the subject

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I'm not going to go into the subject
 

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I'm not going to go into the subject
matter too much because it's disgusting,

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matter too much because it's disgusting,
 

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matter too much because it's disgusting,
but it involves My Little Pony

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but it involves My Little Pony
 

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but it involves My Little Pony
characters having relationships with

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characters having relationships with
 

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characters having relationships with
coded children from the My Little Pony

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coded children from the My Little Pony
 

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coded children from the My Little Pony
universe. Lily claims she didn't write

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universe. Lily claims she didn't write
 

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universe. Lily claims she didn't write
this fanfiction, but there's tons and

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this fanfiction, but there's tons and
 

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this fanfiction, but there's tons and
tons and tons of evidence that she did,

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tons and tons of evidence that she did,
 

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tons and tons of evidence that she did,
and we'll get more to that later. Now,

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and we'll get more to that later. Now,
 

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and we'll get more to that later. Now,
something else I have the unfortunate

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something else I have the unfortunate
 

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something else I have the unfortunate
knowledge of is Lily also likes to lie.

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knowledge of is Lily also likes to lie.
 

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knowledge of is Lily also likes to lie.
When people brought up that she wrote

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When people brought up that she wrote
 

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When people brought up that she wrote
this fanfiction, she lied. Even though

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this fanfiction, she lied. Even though
 

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this fanfiction, she lied. Even though
there's amount of evidence that she did,

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there's amount of evidence that she did,
 

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there's amount of evidence that she did,
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including audio of her discussing
 

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including audio of her discussing
character tropes in it. The interesting

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character tropes in it. The interesting
 

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character tropes in it. The interesting
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thing about Stockholm is that it's
 

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thing about Stockholm is that it's
actually uh the Equestria depicted in

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actually uh the Equestria depicted in
 

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actually uh the Equestria depicted in
Stockholm is trigendered where you have

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Stockholm is trigendered where you have
 

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Stockholm is trigendered where you have
men, women, and interex women. And I

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men, women, and interex women. And I
 

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men, women, and interex women. And I
always thought we never really did as

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always thought we never really did as
 

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always thought we never really did as
many interesting things with that

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many interesting things with that
 

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many interesting things with that
concept as we could have. I mean, that

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concept as we could have. I mean, that
 

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concept as we could have. I mean, that
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was like the big difference there. That
 

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was like the big difference there. That
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was the interesting thing we had and we
 

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was the interesting thing we had and we
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never really did anything with that. And
 

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never really did anything with that. And
uh that's kind of something I'm I I've

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uh that's kind of something I'm I I've
 

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uh that's kind of something I'm I I've
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always been just kind of kicking myself
 

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always been just kind of kicking myself
for. So I think if we were to go back

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for. So I think if we were to go back
 

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for. So I think if we were to go back
and redo Stockholm, we would uh explore

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and redo Stockholm, we would uh explore
 

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and redo Stockholm, we would uh explore
that idea a little more. She also likes

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that idea a little more. She also likes
 

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that idea a little more. She also likes
to claim that anything that makes her

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to claim that anything that makes her
 

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to claim that anything that makes her
look bad is doctorred. All the receipts

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look bad is doctorred. All the receipts
 

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look bad is doctorred. All the receipts
from her fanfictions are doctorred. Some

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from her fanfictions are doctorred. Some
 

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from her fanfictions are doctorred. Some
of the lady grooming allegations that

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of the lady grooming allegations that
 

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of the lady grooming allegations that
we'll get to shortly are doctorred. And

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we'll get to shortly are doctorred. And
 

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we'll get to shortly are doctorred. And
AI, even though AI voices weren't

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AI, even though AI voices weren't
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available publicly at that time. Doing a
 

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available publicly at that time. Doing a
simple Google search of Lily Orchard AI,

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simple Google search of Lily Orchard AI,
 

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simple Google search of Lily Orchard AI,
I couldn't find anything even remotely

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I couldn't find anything even remotely
 

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I couldn't find anything even remotely
close to what Lily claims is happening

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close to what Lily claims is happening
 

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close to what Lily claims is happening
to her. All this information that I had

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to her. All this information that I had
 

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to her. All this information that I had
the displeasure of catching up on over

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the displeasure of catching up on over
 

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the displeasure of catching up on over
the last few months makes me feel used

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the last few months makes me feel used
 

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the last few months makes me feel used
like a prop and not really a person. I

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like a prop and not really a person. I
 

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like a prop and not really a person. I
had a positive relationship with both

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had a positive relationship with both
 

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had a positive relationship with both
Lily and Michaela before I even learned

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Lily and Michaela before I even learned
 

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Lily and Michaela before I even learned
that Lily's sister Courtney is making

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that Lily's sister Courtney is making
 

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that Lily's sister Courtney is making
sexual assault allegations. I was six

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sexual assault allegations. I was six
 

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sexual assault allegations. I was six
and Lily 7. Lily started coercing me

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and Lily 7. Lily started coercing me
 

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and Lily 7. Lily started coercing me
into games in private. She usually would

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into games in private. She usually would
 

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into games in private. She usually would
ask me to sleep over in her room. And

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ask me to sleep over in her room. And
 

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ask me to sleep over in her room. And
with us being close at the time, I would

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with us being close at the time, I would
 

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with us being close at the time, I would
be happy to. It was during these

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be happy to. It was during these
 

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be happy to. It was during these
sleepovers she would try to and succeed

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sleepovers she would try to and succeed
 

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sleepovers she would try to and succeed
into talking me into things. Things like

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into talking me into things. Things like
 

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into talking me into things. Things like
letting her practice kissing on me,

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letting her practice kissing on me,
 

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letting her practice kissing on me,
asking me to come feel this, and would

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asking me to come feel this, and would
 

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asking me to come feel this, and would
grab my hand and stick it in a puddle of

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grab my hand and stick it in a puddle of
 

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grab my hand and stick it in a puddle of
what I now know to be [\h__\h] on her

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what I now know to be [\h__\h] on her
 

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what I now know to be [\h__\h] on her
stomach. She would wait until I was

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stomach. She would wait until I was
 

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stomach. She would wait until I was
asleep, or at least thought I was, stand

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asleep, or at least thought I was, stand
 

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asleep, or at least thought I was, stand
over top of me and masturbate,

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over top of me and masturbate,
 

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over top of me and masturbate,
ejaculating on my blankets and crawling

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ejaculating on my blankets and crawling
 

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ejaculating on my blankets and crawling
back into her bed to sleep. This went on

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back into her bed to sleep. This went on
 

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back into her bed to sleep. This went on
for about 4 years until I was old enough

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for about 4 years until I was old enough
 

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for about 4 years until I was old enough
to realize what she was doing to me

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to realize what she was doing to me
 

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to realize what she was doing to me
wasn't okay. She also started asking me

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wasn't okay. She also started asking me
 

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wasn't okay. She also started asking me
around this time what I thought about

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around this time what I thought about
 

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around this time what I thought about
incest, if I thought it was a good thing

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incest, if I thought it was a good thing
 

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incest, if I thought it was a good thing
or a bad thing and why. Like any normal

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or a bad thing and why. Like any normal
 

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or a bad thing and why. Like any normal
human being, I responded with disgust.

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human being, I responded with disgust.
 

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human being, I responded with disgust.
I'd caught her sneaking into my room a

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I'd caught her sneaking into my room a
 

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I'd caught her sneaking into my room a
few times, three to be exact. I'd wake

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few times, three to be exact. I'd wake
 

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few times, three to be exact. I'd wake
up to my door slowly creaking open and

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up to my door slowly creaking open and
 

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up to my door slowly creaking open and
her face pressing through the crack,

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her face pressing through the crack,
 

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her face pressing through the crack,
looking right at me to see if I was

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looking right at me to see if I was
 

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looking right at me to see if I was
asleep. And the rest just followed.

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asleep. And the rest just followed.
 

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asleep. And the rest just followed.
VCiality porn commissioned by minors,

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VCiality porn commissioned by minors,
 

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VCiality porn commissioned by minors,
flashing your tits on YouTube, which is

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flashing your tits on YouTube, which is
 

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flashing your tits on YouTube, which is
against YouTube terms of service, incest

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against YouTube terms of service, incest
 

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against YouTube terms of service, incest
shipping, pretending in [\h__\h] and

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shipping, pretending in [\h__\h] and
 

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shipping, pretending in [\h__\h] and
the list goes on and on and on and on. I

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the list goes on and on and on and on. I
 

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the list goes on and on and on and on. I
invited my friend Mad, who is Native

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invited my friend Mad, who is Native
 

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invited my friend Mad, who is Native
American, to discuss why pretending

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American, to discuss why pretending
 

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American, to discuss why pretending
culture isn't great, and also his own

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culture isn't great, and also his own
 

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culture isn't great, and also his own
culture background. Here's what he had

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culture background. Here's what he had
 

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culture background. Here's what he had
to say. Bju, my name is Marty, though

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to say. Bju, my name is Marty, though
 

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to say. Bju, my name is Marty, though
most people know me as Mad andor Mad

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most people know me as Mad andor Mad
 

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most people know me as Mad andor Mad
Waffles. I'm a member of KP's community,

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Waffles. I'm a member of KP's community,
 

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Waffles. I'm a member of KP's community,
the head moderator on her Discord

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the head moderator on her Discord
 

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the head moderator on her Discord
server, and a member of her team. I'm 29

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server, and a member of her team. I'm 29
 

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server, and a member of her team. I'm 29
at the time of writing, but will be 30

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at the time of writing, but will be 30
 

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at the time of writing, but will be 30
by the time of recording, and I'm a two

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by the time of recording, and I'm a two
 

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by the time of recording, and I'm a two
spirit person. Any pronouns are also

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spirit person. Any pronouns are also
 

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spirit person. Any pronouns are also
acceptable. I've been asked by KP to

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acceptable. I've been asked by KP to
 

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acceptable. I've been asked by KP to
record this for the purposes of the Lily

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record this for the purposes of the Lily
 

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record this for the purposes of the Lily
Orchard video and speak to some details,

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Orchard video and speak to some details,
 

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Orchard video and speak to some details,
concerns, and confusion regarding Lily's

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concerns, and confusion regarding Lily's
 

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concerns, and confusion regarding Lily's
status as a Native American, First

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status as a Native American, First
 

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status as a Native American, First
Nation, Indian, or American Indian

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Nation, Indian, or American Indian
 

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Nation, Indian, or American Indian
person. And as a brief aside before we

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person. And as a brief aside before we
 

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person. And as a brief aside before we
get started, as it was brought to my

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get started, as it was brought to my
 

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get started, as it was brought to my
attention that this is a point of

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attention that this is a point of
 

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attention that this is a point of
contention that may cause Lily to

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contention that may cause Lily to
 

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contention that may cause Lily to
dismiss any criticism sent her way, but

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dismiss any criticism sent her way, but
 

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dismiss any criticism sent her way, but
you may have noticed that I just said

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you may have noticed that I just said
 

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you may have noticed that I just said
American Indian and Indian. Both are

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American Indian and Indian. Both are
 

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American Indian and Indian. Both are
perfectly valid self-identifiers that

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perfectly valid self-identifiers that
 

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perfectly valid self-identifiers that
Native American people use across the

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Native American people use across the
 

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Native American people use across the
continent, but may become a bit tweaked

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continent, but may become a bit tweaked
 

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continent, but may become a bit tweaked
if a non-Indian uses it when speaking to

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if a non-Indian uses it when speaking to
 

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if a non-Indian uses it when speaking to
them. In the case of Indian presented on

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them. In the case of Indian presented on
 

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them. In the case of Indian presented on
its own, what I am saying is essentially

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its own, what I am saying is essentially
 

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its own, what I am saying is essentially
spelled N DN as it's become a pretty

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spelled N DN as it's become a pretty
 

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spelled N DN as it's become a pretty
popular internet era shorthand that has

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popular internet era shorthand that has
 

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popular internet era shorthand that has
come close to my heart that both

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come close to my heart that both
 

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come close to my heart that both
pronounces like Indian and can stand for

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pronounces like Indian and can stand for
 

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pronounces like Indian and can stand for
not dead native. But a lot of American

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not dead native. But a lot of American
 

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not dead native. But a lot of American
Indians also use that phrase, including

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Indians also use that phrase, including
 

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Indians also use that phrase, including
myself, to self-describe because of its

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myself, to self-describe because of its
 

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myself, to self-describe because of its
unique cultural proximity and

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unique cultural proximity and
 

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unique cultural proximity and
identification to use as it's the

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identification to use as it's the
 

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identification to use as it's the
closest thing to an American catchall

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closest thing to an American catchall
 

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closest thing to an American catchall
that sounds like an ethnic designator

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that sounds like an ethnic designator
 

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that sounds like an ethnic designator
rather than Native American, which

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rather than Native American, which
 

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rather than Native American, which
carries its own connotation of

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carries its own connotation of
 

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carries its own connotation of
association with the United States. Not

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association with the United States. Not
 

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association with the United States. Not
all of us are into that. Lily has on her

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all of us are into that. Lily has on her
 

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all of us are into that. Lily has on her
blog in the past likened the use of the

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blog in the past likened the use of the
 

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blog in the past likened the use of the
term Indian to our community's

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term Indian to our community's
 

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term Indian to our community's
equivalent of the Nsler. However, I

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equivalent of the Nsler. However, I
 

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equivalent of the Nsler. However, I
would argue that this is simply

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would argue that this is simply
 

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would argue that this is simply
performative baiting to make herself

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performative baiting to make herself
 

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performative baiting to make herself
seem both more progressive and more

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seem both more progressive and more
 

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seem both more progressive and more
Indian by blowing up at people who use

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Indian by blowing up at people who use
 

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Indian by blowing up at people who use
the term regardless of their ethnic

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the term regardless of their ethnic
 

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the term regardless of their ethnic
makeup. I would argue that the only

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makeup. I would argue that the only
 

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makeup. I would argue that the only
resemblance is that my mom is perfectly

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resemblance is that my mom is perfectly
 

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resemblance is that my mom is perfectly
fine using it to describe herself and by

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fine using it to describe herself and by
 

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fine using it to describe herself and by
being described as such by other members

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being described as such by other members
 

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being described as such by other members
of our culture, but has suppressed an

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of our culture, but has suppressed an
 

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of our culture, but has suppressed an
active urge to cut someone who is not of

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active urge to cut someone who is not of
 

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active urge to cut someone who is not of
the culture who calls her an Indian.

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the culture who calls her an Indian.
 

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the culture who calls her an Indian.
Before starting with any Lily related

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Before starting with any Lily related
 

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Before starting with any Lily related
things, I feel it's important to be

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things, I feel it's important to be
 

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things, I feel it's important to be
honest and clear about my own background

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honest and clear about my own background
 

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honest and clear about my own background
history as an Indian person. While I'm

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history as an Indian person. While I'm
 

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history as an Indian person. While I'm
not overly fixated on proving how Indian

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not overly fixated on proving how Indian
 

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not overly fixated on proving how Indian
I am or relying on my background to

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I am or relying on my background to
 

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I am or relying on my background to
equate me to being some kind of expert,

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equate me to being some kind of expert,
 

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equate me to being some kind of expert,
I feel like it's important for you to

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I feel like it's important for you to
 

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I feel like it's important for you to
know the source and background of this

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know the source and background of this
 

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know the source and background of this
information. I am what's called a white

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information. I am what's called a white
 

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information. I am what's called a white
passing First Nation person, meaning

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passing First Nation person, meaning
 

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passing First Nation person, meaning
that I basically don't go outside and

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that I basically don't go outside and
 

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that I basically don't go outside and
have become pale enough that if you give

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have become pale enough that if you give
 

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have become pale enough that if you give
me a fleeting glance, I might actually

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me a fleeting glance, I might actually
 

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me a fleeting glance, I might actually
pass for white or even some sort of

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pass for white or even some sort of
 

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pass for white or even some sort of
Asian, an ongoing argument at my

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Asian, an ongoing argument at my
 

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Asian, an ongoing argument at my
workplaces historically before

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workplaces historically before
 

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workplaces historically before
co-workers are explicitly told my

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co-workers are explicitly told my
 

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co-workers are explicitly told my
ethnicity. I've grown up in southern

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ethnicity. I've grown up in southern
 

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ethnicity. I've grown up in southern
Idaho near the Fort Hall Indian

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Idaho near the Fort Hall Indian
 

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Idaho near the Fort Hall Indian
Reservation of the same region. I have

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Reservation of the same region. I have
 

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Reservation of the same region. I have
largely lived there, San Diego and

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largely lived there, San Diego and
 

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largely lived there, San Diego and
northern Nevada throughout various

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northern Nevada throughout various
 

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northern Nevada throughout various
points of my life. However, my ethnicity

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points of my life. However, my ethnicity
 

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points of my life. However, my ethnicity
is an Ishabe and Aabaskcan and my

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is an Ishabe and Aabaskcan and my
 

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is an Ishabe and Aabaskcan and my
specific tribe is the Turtle Mountain

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specific tribe is the Turtle Mountain
 

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specific tribe is the Turtle Mountain
Band of Chipoa Indians. Technically,

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Band of Chipoa Indians. Technically,
 

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Band of Chipoa Indians. Technically,
that would be my reservation as well if

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that would be my reservation as well if
 

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that would be my reservation as well if
I didn't live two to four states away at

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I didn't live two to four states away at
 

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I didn't live two to four states away at
any given time. My great-g

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any given time. My great-g
 

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any given time. My great-g
grandandmother Siccilia and

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grandandmother Siccilia and
 

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grandandmother Siccilia and
great-grandfather are my primary

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great-grandfather are my primary
 

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great-grandfather are my primary
ancestors of concern through my

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ancestors of concern through my
 

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ancestors of concern through my
grandmother Charlene and my mother

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grandmother Charlene and my mother
 

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grandmother Charlene and my mother
Christine. I do have some supposed

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Christine. I do have some supposed
 

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Christine. I do have some supposed
patrineal ancestry through my biological

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patrineal ancestry through my biological
 

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patrineal ancestry through my biological
father, but the vagueness of the claim

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father, but the vagueness of the claim
 

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father, but the vagueness of the claim
as Cherokee has caused me to largely not

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as Cherokee has caused me to largely not
 

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as Cherokee has caused me to largely not
give it much thought or concern

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give it much thought or concern
 

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give it much thought or concern
regarding my cultural background. Though

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regarding my cultural background. Though
 

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regarding my cultural background. Though
I don't really mess with concepts like

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I don't really mess with concepts like
 

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I don't really mess with concepts like
blood quantum for the purposes of roles.

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blood quantum for the purposes of roles.
 

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blood quantum for the purposes of roles.
I do know that my blood quantum through

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I do know that my blood quantum through
 

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I do know that my blood quantum through
my mother is just shy of 1/8 as far as

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my mother is just shy of 1/8 as far as
 

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my mother is just shy of 1/8 as far as
Oji boy is concerned and roughly the

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Oji boy is concerned and roughly the
 

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Oji boy is concerned and roughly the
same amount in Apache around 11 point

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same amount in Apache around 11 point
 

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same amount in Apache around 11 point
something% in the former and about the

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something% in the former and about the
 

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something% in the former and about the
same to possibly more through the latter

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same to possibly more through the latter
 

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same to possibly more through the latter
due to a general lack of documentation

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due to a general lack of documentation
 

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due to a general lack of documentation
that start with my great great

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that start with my great great
 

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that start with my great great
grandmother Mary Riddle it is difficult

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grandmother Mary Riddle it is difficult
 

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grandmother Mary Riddle it is difficult
to know things for that line and as

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to know things for that line and as
 

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to know things for that line and as
mentioned my grandma sis's first husband

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mentioned my grandma sis's first husband
 

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mentioned my grandma sis's first husband
has been overall the opposite of helpful

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has been overall the opposite of helpful
 

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has been overall the opposite of helpful
with anything regarding any of his

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with anything regarding any of his
 

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with anything regarding any of his
lineal information a big issue with the

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lineal information a big issue with the
 

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lineal information a big issue with the
concept altogether honestly culturally

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concept altogether honestly culturally
 

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concept altogether honestly culturally
our family is very urban Indian with an

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our family is very urban Indian with an
 

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our family is very urban Indian with an
attempt to return to a more traditional

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attempt to return to a more traditional
 

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attempt to return to a more traditional
state of being in some areas while

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state of being in some areas while
 

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state of being in some areas while
staying modern in others. Our grandma

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staying modern in others. Our grandma
 

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staying modern in others. Our grandma
Cecilia has never really been specific

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Cecilia has never really been specific
 

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Cecilia has never really been specific
or willing to talk on Indian and school

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or willing to talk on Indian and school
 

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or willing to talk on Indian and school
things. So, her knowledge was lost and

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things. So, her knowledge was lost and
 

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things. So, her knowledge was lost and
taken by to our best guess the Brandon

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taken by to our best guess the Brandon
 

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taken by to our best guess the Brandon
Residential School, the Elorn

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Residential School, the Elorn
 

455
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,390
Residential School, the Elorn
Residential School, or possibly Portage

456
00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:20,400
Residential School, or possibly Portage
 

457
00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,309
Residential School, or possibly Portage
La Prairie Residential School. This all

458
00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:22,319
La Prairie Residential School. This all
 

459
00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,150
La Prairie Residential School. This all
is to say, I don't pretend to be super

460
00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:24,160
is to say, I don't pretend to be super
 

461
00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,070
is to say, I don't pretend to be super
native or more or less Indian than

462
00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:26,080
native or more or less Indian than
 

463
00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,749
native or more or less Indian than
anyone else. Everything I speak on is

464
00:07:27,749 --> 00:07:27,759
anyone else. Everything I speak on is
 

465
00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:29,270
anyone else. Everything I speak on is
influenced by a cultural lens, the same

466
00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:29,280
influenced by a cultural lens, the same
 

467
00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,350
influenced by a cultural lens, the same
as anyone else and as our community is.

468
00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:31,360
as anyone else and as our community is.
 

469
00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,270
as anyone else and as our community is.
Things I say may not be true for every

470
00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:33,280
Things I say may not be true for every
 

471
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,110
Things I say may not be true for every
Indian person, but that does not make

472
00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:35,120
Indian person, but that does not make
 

473
00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,029
Indian person, but that does not make
them any more or less authentic at the

474
00:07:37,029 --> 00:07:37,039
them any more or less authentic at the
 

475
00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:40,710
them any more or less authentic at the
end of the day. So very briefly, what is

476
00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:40,720
end of the day. So very briefly, what is
 

477
00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,189
end of the day. So very briefly, what is
a pretendian? Well, a pretendian is a

478
00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:43,199
a pretendian? Well, a pretendian is a
 

479
00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:44,790
a pretendian? Well, a pretendian is a
common slaying term used to describe a

480
00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:44,800
common slaying term used to describe a
 

481
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,950
common slaying term used to describe a
person who falsely or an exaggerated

482
00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:46,960
person who falsely or an exaggerated
 

483
00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,950
person who falsely or an exaggerated
fashion claims various types of Indian

484
00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:48,960
fashion claims various types of Indian
 

485
00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,110
fashion claims various types of Indian
status, ethnicity, or cultural identity.

486
00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:51,120
status, ethnicity, or cultural identity.
 

487
00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,790
status, ethnicity, or cultural identity.
It's a type of cultural appropriation

488
00:07:52,790 --> 00:07:52,800
It's a type of cultural appropriation
 

489
00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,950
It's a type of cultural appropriation
that is very frequent and far-flung

490
00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:54,960
that is very frequent and far-flung
 

491
00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,469
that is very frequent and far-flung
across this continent, both knowing and

492
00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:56,479
across this continent, both knowing and
 

493
00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,150
across this continent, both knowing and
unknowing. For ends that can be either

494
00:07:58,150 --> 00:07:58,160
unknowing. For ends that can be either
 

495
00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,150
unknowing. For ends that can be either
innocent or nefarious. People in the

496
00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:00,160
innocent or nefarious. People in the
 

497
00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,430
innocent or nefarious. People in the
Americas have a long history of

498
00:08:01,430 --> 00:08:01,440
Americas have a long history of
 

499
00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,189
Americas have a long history of
misrepresenting themselves as Indian and

500
00:08:03,189 --> 00:08:03,199
misrepresenting themselves as Indian and
 

501
00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:04,550
misrepresenting themselves as Indian and
often it has coincided with some

502
00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:04,560
often it has coincided with some
 

503
00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,550
often it has coincided with some
financial incentive and with the era of

504
00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:06,560
financial incentive and with the era of
 

505
00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,909
financial incentive and with the era of
the internet a new type of social

506
00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:07,919
the internet a new type of social
 

507
00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:10,070
the internet a new type of social
currency has caused a rise in places of

508
00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:10,080
currency has caused a rise in places of
 

509
00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,390
currency has caused a rise in places of
false Indian claims. Historically,

510
00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:12,400
false Indian claims. Historically,
 

511
00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,070
false Indian claims. Historically,
pretends are often excluded on a

512
00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:14,080
pretends are often excluded on a
 

513
00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,350
pretends are often excluded on a
communal level. And through various

514
00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:15,360
communal level. And through various
 

515
00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,869
communal level. And through various
practices and tactics, a great number of

516
00:08:16,869 --> 00:08:16,879
practices and tactics, a great number of
 

517
00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:19,029
practices and tactics, a great number of
Indians have learned to spot pretending

518
00:08:19,029 --> 00:08:19,039
Indians have learned to spot pretending
 

519
00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:20,869
Indians have learned to spot pretending
claims and behaviors. But it's honestly

520
00:08:20,869 --> 00:08:20,879
claims and behaviors. But it's honestly
 

521
00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:22,629
claims and behaviors. But it's honestly
an exhausting thing to deal with and has

522
00:08:22,629 --> 00:08:22,639
an exhausting thing to deal with and has
 

523
00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,550
an exhausting thing to deal with and has
created a sort of strange toxic paranoia

524
00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:24,560
created a sort of strange toxic paranoia
 

525
00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,869
created a sort of strange toxic paranoia
among Indians in person and online both

526
00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:26,879
among Indians in person and online both
 

527
00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:28,869
among Indians in person and online both
that causes even some legitimate Indians

528
00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:28,879
that causes even some legitimate Indians
 

529
00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:30,550
that causes even some legitimate Indians
to be excluded because of a differing

530
00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:30,560
to be excluded because of a differing
 

531
00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,110
to be excluded because of a differing
cultural experience. Accordingly, any

532
00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:33,120
cultural experience. Accordingly, any
 

533
00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,509
cultural experience. Accordingly, any
accusations of pretendianism is very

534
00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:35,519
accusations of pretendianism is very
 

535
00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,350
accusations of pretendianism is very
serious just as much as the act itself

536
00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:37,360
serious just as much as the act itself
 

537
00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,670
serious just as much as the act itself
is. This is why I don't tend to level it

538
00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:39,680
is. This is why I don't tend to level it
 

539
00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:41,670
is. This is why I don't tend to level it
willy-nilly and only ever really call

540
00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:41,680
willy-nilly and only ever really call
 

541
00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,589
willy-nilly and only ever really call
out cases that are egregious, obvious,

542
00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:43,599
out cases that are egregious, obvious,
 

543
00:08:43,599 --> 00:08:46,550
out cases that are egregious, obvious,
or very toxic. So the standard by which

544
00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:46,560
or very toxic. So the standard by which
 

545
00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,550
or very toxic. So the standard by which
one typically substantiates their Indian

546
00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:48,560
one typically substantiates their Indian
 

547
00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:50,230
one typically substantiates their Indian
status in the government's eyes is

548
00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:50,240
status in the government's eyes is
 

549
00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,990
status in the government's eyes is
through a concept referred to commonly

550
00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:52,000
through a concept referred to commonly
 

551
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,990
through a concept referred to commonly
as blood quantum. Blood quantum is

552
00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:54,000
as blood quantum. Blood quantum is
 

553
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,910
as blood quantum. Blood quantum is
exactly what the name sounds like, a

554
00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:55,920
exactly what the name sounds like, a
 

555
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,550
exactly what the name sounds like, a
quantification of blood or ethnic

556
00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:58,560
quantification of blood or ethnic
 

557
00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,230
quantification of blood or ethnic
genetics that one has inherited from

558
00:09:00,230 --> 00:09:00,240
genetics that one has inherited from
 

559
00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,990
genetics that one has inherited from
their parents. Blood quantum is often

560
00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:02,000
their parents. Blood quantum is often
 

561
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,150
their parents. Blood quantum is often
described in casual conversation by

562
00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:04,160
described in casual conversation by
 

563
00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,990
described in casual conversation by
saying how much of a certain ethnic

564
00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:06,000
saying how much of a certain ethnic
 

565
00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,990
saying how much of a certain ethnic
group you are. HalfIrish, quarter

566
00:09:07,990 --> 00:09:08,000
group you are. HalfIrish, quarter
 

567
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,150
group you are. HalfIrish, quarter
Scottish, 132nd Polish on your

568
00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:10,160
Scottish, 132nd Polish on your
 

569
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,230
Scottish, 132nd Polish on your
grandmom's side, etc. But blood quantum

570
00:09:12,230 --> 00:09:12,240
grandmom's side, etc. But blood quantum
 

571
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,829
grandmom's side, etc. But blood quantum
is an unpopular idea in the Indian

572
00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:13,839
is an unpopular idea in the Indian
 

573
00:09:13,839 --> 00:09:15,430
is an unpopular idea in the Indian
community as it has been historically

574
00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:15,440
community as it has been historically
 

575
00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,030
community as it has been historically
used to exclude people from enrollment

576
00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:17,040
used to exclude people from enrollment
 

577
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,790
used to exclude people from enrollment
in tribal benefits and has been baked

578
00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:18,800
in tribal benefits and has been baked
 

579
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,710
in tribal benefits and has been baked
into the cultural opinion of many native

580
00:09:20,710 --> 00:09:20,720
into the cultural opinion of many native
 

581
00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,470
into the cultural opinion of many native
people through a number of means but

582
00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:22,480
people through a number of means but
 

583
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,470
people through a number of means but
primarily to serve the purpose of

584
00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:24,480
primarily to serve the purpose of
 

585
00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,710
primarily to serve the purpose of
gatekeeping Indianness. Blood quantum

586
00:09:26,710 --> 00:09:26,720
gatekeeping Indianness. Blood quantum
 

587
00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,790
gatekeeping Indianness. Blood quantum
despite having a vaguely scientific idea

588
00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:28,800
despite having a vaguely scientific idea
 

589
00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,870
despite having a vaguely scientific idea
is in fact bad science. It's been known

590
00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:30,880
is in fact bad science. It's been known
 

591
00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,670
is in fact bad science. It's been known
since 2003 that all humans are 99.6 to

592
00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:33,680
since 2003 that all humans are 99.6 to
 

593
00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,550
since 2003 that all humans are 99.6 to
99.9% identical on their DNA. And while

594
00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:36,560
99.9% identical on their DNA. And while
 

595
00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,230
99.9% identical on their DNA. And while
there's a ton of variation which can

596
00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:38,240
there's a ton of variation which can
 

597
00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,710
there's a ton of variation which can
occur in that point 4 to.1% it's largely

598
00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:40,720
occur in that point 4 to.1% it's largely
 

599
00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,389
occur in that point 4 to.1% it's largely
a concept that holds over from European

600
00:09:42,389 --> 00:09:42,399
a concept that holds over from European
 

601
00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,230
a concept that holds over from European
colonialism. Further from the variance

602
00:09:44,230 --> 00:09:44,240
colonialism. Further from the variance
 

603
00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,470
colonialism. Further from the variance
of shared genes between direct relatives

604
00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:46,480
of shared genes between direct relatives
 

605
00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,590
of shared genes between direct relatives
that can be low as 2% for factors of

606
00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:49,600
that can be low as 2% for factors of
 

607
00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,910
that can be low as 2% for factors of
traits that one associates with race.

608
00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:51,920
traits that one associates with race.
 

609
00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,910
traits that one associates with race.
There is almost no scientific basis to

610
00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:53,920
There is almost no scientific basis to
 

611
00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,870
There is almost no scientific basis to
the concept of race and largely becomes

612
00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:56,880
the concept of race and largely becomes
 

613
00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,190
the concept of race and largely becomes
attributed to some shared regional

614
00:09:59,190 --> 00:09:59,200
attributed to some shared regional
 

615
00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,870
attributed to some shared regional
physical attributes and stereotypes.

616
00:10:00,870 --> 00:10:00,880
physical attributes and stereotypes.
 

617
00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,030
physical attributes and stereotypes.
That's why the common idea of Indian

618
00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:03,040
That's why the common idea of Indian
 

619
00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,350
That's why the common idea of Indian
ethnicity has been gaining traction in

620
00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:05,360
ethnicity has been gaining traction in
 

621
00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,110
ethnicity has been gaining traction in
many online and in-person native

622
00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:07,120
many online and in-person native
 

623
00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,470
many online and in-person native
communities as ethnicity is

624
00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:08,480
communities as ethnicity is
 

625
00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,710
communities as ethnicity is
substantiated on culture and ancestry

626
00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:10,720
substantiated on culture and ancestry
 

627
00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,350
substantiated on culture and ancestry
rather than genetics. However, a lot of

628
00:10:13,350 --> 00:10:13,360
rather than genetics. However, a lot of
 

629
00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,509
rather than genetics. However, a lot of
Indian people will continue to judge

630
00:10:15,509 --> 00:10:15,519
Indian people will continue to judge
 

631
00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,150
Indian people will continue to judge
Indianism and designate between Indians

632
00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:18,160
Indianism and designate between Indians
 

633
00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,310
Indianism and designate between Indians
and pretends based on the standard.

634
00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:20,320
and pretends based on the standard.
 

635
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,310
and pretends based on the standard.
Personally, I do not agree with it, but

636
00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:22,320
Personally, I do not agree with it, but
 

637
00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,990
Personally, I do not agree with it, but
it is a thing that is important to some

638
00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:25,000
it is a thing that is important to some
 

639
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,230
it is a thing that is important to some
Indians. So, what makes a pretend? Well,

640
00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:28,240
Indians. So, what makes a pretend? Well,
 

641
00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,990
Indians. So, what makes a pretend? Well,
a standard that is almost universally

642
00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:30,000
a standard that is almost universally
 

643
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,910
a standard that is almost universally
agreed upon is culture. One needs to

644
00:10:31,910 --> 00:10:31,920
agreed upon is culture. One needs to
 

645
00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,590
agreed upon is culture. One needs to
have some familiarity and involvement

646
00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:33,600
have some familiarity and involvement
 

647
00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,350
have some familiarity and involvement
with a native community of some degree

648
00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:35,360
with a native community of some degree
 

649
00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,509
with a native community of some degree
of size, understand the institutions and

650
00:10:37,509 --> 00:10:37,519
of size, understand the institutions and
 

651
00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,829
of size, understand the institutions and
norms, and exhibit some sort of social

652
00:10:39,829 --> 00:10:39,839
norms, and exhibit some sort of social
 

653
00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:41,990
norms, and exhibit some sort of social
behavior. Attending pow-wows,

654
00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:42,000
behavior. Attending pow-wows,
 

655
00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,430
behavior. Attending pow-wows,
interacting with the broader community,

656
00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:43,440
interacting with the broader community,
 

657
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,030
interacting with the broader community,
helping your old uncle sell his extra

658
00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:45,040
helping your old uncle sell his extra
 

659
00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,190
helping your old uncle sell his extra
weed, making and eating native foods.

660
00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:47,200
weed, making and eating native foods.
 

661
00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,870
weed, making and eating native foods.
These types of things often are commonly

662
00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:48,880
These types of things often are commonly
 

663
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,790
These types of things often are commonly
accepted cultural behaviors in Indians.

664
00:10:50,790 --> 00:10:50,800
accepted cultural behaviors in Indians.
 

665
00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,030
accepted cultural behaviors in Indians.
But not doing all of them isn't always a

666
00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:53,040
But not doing all of them isn't always a
 

667
00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,710
But not doing all of them isn't always a
reason to exclude someone. The people on

668
00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:54,720
reason to exclude someone. The people on
 

669
00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,389
reason to exclude someone. The people on
the American continents are so diverse

670
00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:56,399
the American continents are so diverse
 

671
00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:57,990
the American continents are so diverse
and varied that there is no certain way

672
00:10:57,990 --> 00:10:58,000
and varied that there is no certain way
 

673
00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,630
and varied that there is no certain way
to define a culture as the native one.

674
00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:00,640
to define a culture as the native one.
 

675
00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,910
to define a culture as the native one.
Or to say that there should be one

676
00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:01,920
Or to say that there should be one
 

677
00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,829
Or to say that there should be one
surefire Indian culture through

678
00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:03,839
surefire Indian culture through
 

679
00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:06,550
surefire Indian culture through
movements like the panindian one that do

680
00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:06,560
movements like the panindian one that do
 

681
00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,069
movements like the panindian one that do
try to create a hedgeimonyi that native

682
00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:08,079
try to create a hedgeimonyi that native
 

683
00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:09,670
try to create a hedgeimonyi that native
people can live together under. There is

684
00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:09,680
people can live together under. There is
 

685
00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,670
people can live together under. There is
still not an inherent monolith. What

686
00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:11,680
still not an inherent monolith. What
 

687
00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,670
still not an inherent monolith. What
does this mean? Well, it means that

688
00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:13,680
does this mean? Well, it means that
 

689
00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,350
does this mean? Well, it means that
identifying a pretend solely based on

690
00:11:15,350 --> 00:11:15,360
identifying a pretend solely based on
 

691
00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,949
identifying a pretend solely based on
cultural expectations is going to be

692
00:11:16,949 --> 00:11:16,959
cultural expectations is going to be
 

693
00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:18,630
cultural expectations is going to be
hard, especially if the observer in

694
00:11:18,630 --> 00:11:18,640
hard, especially if the observer in
 

695
00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,470
hard, especially if the observer in
question doesn't have a similar cultural

696
00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:20,480
question doesn't have a similar cultural
 

697
00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,389
question doesn't have a similar cultural
background or come from the same region

698
00:11:22,389 --> 00:11:22,399
background or come from the same region
 

699
00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:23,829
background or come from the same region
or linguistic group as the person

700
00:11:23,829 --> 00:11:23,839
or linguistic group as the person
 

701
00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:25,509
or linguistic group as the person
they're assessing. Basically, it's hard

702
00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:25,519
they're assessing. Basically, it's hard
 

703
00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:27,269
they're assessing. Basically, it's hard
to identify someone as pretending unless

704
00:11:27,269 --> 00:11:27,279
to identify someone as pretending unless
 

705
00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:29,190
to identify someone as pretending unless
they're trying to claim to be the same

706
00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:29,200
they're trying to claim to be the same
 

707
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,350
they're trying to claim to be the same
or of a similar culture to your own,

708
00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:31,360
or of a similar culture to your own,
 

709
00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,870
or of a similar culture to your own,
especially if you're inquiring purely on

710
00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:32,880
especially if you're inquiring purely on
 

711
00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,069
especially if you're inquiring purely on
a cultural axis. But broadly speaking,

712
00:11:36,069 --> 00:11:36,079
a cultural axis. But broadly speaking,
 

713
00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:37,590
a cultural axis. But broadly speaking,
the following would be standards by

714
00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:37,600
the following would be standards by
 

715
00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,350
the following would be standards by
which I usually consider someone to be a

716
00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:39,360
which I usually consider someone to be a
 

717
00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,190
which I usually consider someone to be a
pretendian. And these are all ones which

718
00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:41,200
pretendian. And these are all ones which
 

719
00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,310
pretendian. And these are all ones which
I believe that Lily meets. They are

720
00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:43,320
I believe that Lily meets. They are
 

721
00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,710
I believe that Lily meets. They are
inconsistent, ignorant, monolithic, and

722
00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:46,720
inconsistent, ignorant, monolithic, and
 

723
00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,550
inconsistent, ignorant, monolithic, and
Cherokee. So all of this may bring up a

724
00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:48,560
Cherokee. So all of this may bring up a
 

725
00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,710
Cherokee. So all of this may bring up a
question of why why lie and misrepresent

726
00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:50,720
question of why why lie and misrepresent
 

727
00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,069
question of why why lie and misrepresent
yourself on something that is so

728
00:11:52,069 --> 00:11:52,079
yourself on something that is so
 

729
00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:53,670
yourself on something that is so
complicated and clearly hurtful and

730
00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:53,680
complicated and clearly hurtful and
 

731
00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,509
complicated and clearly hurtful and
important to so many people. The reasons

732
00:11:55,509 --> 00:11:55,519
important to so many people. The reasons
 

733
00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,430
important to so many people. The reasons
that one might be pretending are often

734
00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:57,440
that one might be pretending are often
 

735
00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,190
that one might be pretending are often
varied and specific to the individual.

736
00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:59,200
varied and specific to the individual.
 

737
00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,110
varied and specific to the individual.
But the most pertinent to Lily's case

738
00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:01,120
But the most pertinent to Lily's case
 

739
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,030
But the most pertinent to Lily's case
would be money and deflection. In my

740
00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:03,040
would be money and deflection. In my
 

741
00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,030
would be money and deflection. In my
opinion, the need for legislation such

742
00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:05,040
opinion, the need for legislation such
 

743
00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,949
opinion, the need for legislation such
as the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of

744
00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:06,959
as the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of
 

745
00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:09,190
as the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of
1990 is indicative of how historically

746
00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:09,200
1990 is indicative of how historically
 

747
00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,350
1990 is indicative of how historically
harmful the claims of status and sale of

748
00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:11,360
harmful the claims of status and sale of
 

749
00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,590
harmful the claims of status and sale of
native or native style art has been on

750
00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:13,600
native or native style art has been on
 

751
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,870
native or native style art has been on
First Nation communities throughout the

752
00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:14,880
First Nation communities throughout the
 

753
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,790
First Nation communities throughout the
United States. And actors such as Iron

754
00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:16,800
United States. And actors such as Iron
 

755
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,870
United States. And actors such as Iron
Eyes Cody, or as you might know him, the

756
00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:18,880
Eyes Cody, or as you might know him, the
 

757
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,710
Eyes Cody, or as you might know him, the
crying Indian from that environmentalism

758
00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:20,720
crying Indian from that environmentalism
 

759
00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,710
crying Indian from that environmentalism
commercial, have historically found ways

760
00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:22,720
commercial, have historically found ways
 

761
00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,550
commercial, have historically found ways
to capitalize on native identity by

762
00:12:24,550 --> 00:12:24,560
to capitalize on native identity by
 

763
00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,470
to capitalize on native identity by
pretending and engaging in a performance

764
00:12:26,470 --> 00:12:26,480
pretending and engaging in a performance
 

765
00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,990
pretending and engaging in a performance
that is specifically curated to

766
00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:28,000
that is specifically curated to
 

767
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,069
that is specifically curated to
colonizers perceptions and desires of

768
00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:30,079
colonizers perceptions and desires of
 

769
00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:31,750
colonizers perceptions and desires of
native people, occasionally in service

770
00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:31,760
native people, occasionally in service
 

771
00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,550
native people, occasionally in service
of non-native agendas and images. For

772
00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:34,560
of non-native agendas and images. For
 

773
00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,550
of non-native agendas and images. For
Lily, as a content creator, the

774
00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:36,560
Lily, as a content creator, the
 

775
00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,550
Lily, as a content creator, the
financial component is obvious. The

776
00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:38,560
financial component is obvious. The
 

777
00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,310
financial component is obvious. The
reality of monetized personalities

778
00:12:40,310 --> 00:12:40,320
reality of monetized personalities
 

779
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,310
reality of monetized personalities
online is that all actions are on some

780
00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:42,320
online is that all actions are on some
 

781
00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,230
online is that all actions are on some
level money motivated. On some level,

782
00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:44,240
level money motivated. On some level,
 

783
00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,910
level money motivated. On some level,
Lily is trying to capitalize on being

784
00:12:45,910 --> 00:12:45,920
Lily is trying to capitalize on being
 

785
00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,230
Lily is trying to capitalize on being
native. Deflection is a common purpose

786
00:12:48,230 --> 00:12:48,240
native. Deflection is a common purpose
 

787
00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,069
native. Deflection is a common purpose
that some people see in being a pretend,

788
00:12:50,069 --> 00:12:50,079
that some people see in being a pretend,
 

789
00:12:50,079 --> 00:12:51,509
that some people see in being a pretend,
too, and one that I feel rings

790
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:51,519
too, and one that I feel rings
 

791
00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:53,269
too, and one that I feel rings
especially true for Lily to shield

792
00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:53,279
especially true for Lily to shield
 

793
00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,030
especially true for Lily to shield
themselves from criticism on an issue or

794
00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:55,040
themselves from criticism on an issue or
 

795
00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,310
themselves from criticism on an issue or
statement. If someone says something

796
00:12:56,310 --> 00:12:56,320
statement. If someone says something
 

797
00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,150
statement. If someone says something
incorrect, despite having some or no

798
00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:58,160
incorrect, despite having some or no
 

799
00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,590
incorrect, despite having some or no
authority on the issue, they can simply

800
00:12:59,590 --> 00:12:59,600
authority on the issue, they can simply
 

801
00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,269
authority on the issue, they can simply
make a claim that, well, that's not how

802
00:13:01,269 --> 00:13:01,279
make a claim that, well, that's not how
 

803
00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:03,670
make a claim that, well, that's not how
I was raised to do it and I am from

804
00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:03,680
I was raised to do it and I am from
 

805
00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:05,430
I was raised to do it and I am from
insert tribe here in order to

806
00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:05,440
insert tribe here in order to
 

807
00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,430
insert tribe here in order to
essentially sidestep a criticism because

808
00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:07,440
essentially sidestep a criticism because
 

809
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,350
essentially sidestep a criticism because
it no longer becomes about them but

810
00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:09,360
it no longer becomes about them but
 

811
00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,269
it no longer becomes about them but
their purported ethnicity. It is also an

812
00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:11,279
their purported ethnicity. It is also an
 

813
00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:12,550
their purported ethnicity. It is also an
effective way to leverage social

814
00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:12,560
effective way to leverage social
 

815
00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,790
effective way to leverage social
currency to make oneself an authority on

816
00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:14,800
currency to make oneself an authority on
 

817
00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,629
currency to make oneself an authority on
an issue by some sort of perceived

818
00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:16,639
an issue by some sort of perceived
 

819
00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:18,230
an issue by some sort of perceived
association in attempt to strengthen

820
00:13:18,230 --> 00:13:18,240
association in attempt to strengthen
 

821
00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,670
association in attempt to strengthen
their argument and deflect from further

822
00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:19,680
their argument and deflect from further
 

823
00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:21,670
their argument and deflect from further
critique. If you need indication of Lily

824
00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:21,680
critique. If you need indication of Lily
 

825
00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,670
critique. If you need indication of Lily
doing this herself, then simply search

826
00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:23,680
doing this herself, then simply search
 

827
00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,150
doing this herself, then simply search
Native, Native American, or First Nation

828
00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:26,160
Native, Native American, or First Nation
 

829
00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,990
Native, Native American, or First Nation
on her blog to see her talking over

830
00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:28,000
on her blog to see her talking over
 

831
00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,990
on her blog to see her talking over
people and using supposed status to

832
00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:30,000
people and using supposed status to
 

833
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,590
people and using supposed status to
deflect when people point this out. It's

834
00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:31,600
deflect when people point this out. It's
 

835
00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,230
deflect when people point this out. It's
flagrant, obvious, and a touch gross.

836
00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:34,240
flagrant, obvious, and a touch gross.
 

837
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,910
flagrant, obvious, and a touch gross.
I've spoken to Lily's sister, Courtney,

838
00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:35,920
I've spoken to Lily's sister, Courtney,
 

839
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,910
I've spoken to Lily's sister, Courtney,
on a few occasions and would consider

840
00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:37,920
on a few occasions and would consider
 

841
00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,069
on a few occasions and would consider
her to be a friend. If she asked me to

842
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:40,079
her to be a friend. If she asked me to
 

843
00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:41,590
her to be a friend. If she asked me to
do something, even if slightly

844
00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:41,600
do something, even if slightly
 

845
00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,750
do something, even if slightly
unreasonable, I'd likely do it. We have

846
00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:43,760
unreasonable, I'd likely do it. We have
 

847
00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,829
unreasonable, I'd likely do it. We have
a fairly good report. When assisting the

848
00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:45,839
a fairly good report. When assisting the
 

849
00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:47,509
a fairly good report. When assisting the
mod team with Lily's safety report, I

850
00:13:47,509 --> 00:13:47,519
mod team with Lily's safety report, I
 

851
00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:49,269
mod team with Lily's safety report, I
inquired as to some more concrete

852
00:13:49,269 --> 00:13:49,279
inquired as to some more concrete
 

853
00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:51,110
inquired as to some more concrete
details regarding Lily's ancestry when

854
00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:51,120
details regarding Lily's ancestry when
 

855
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,629
details regarding Lily's ancestry when
penning the section of concern to her

856
00:13:52,629 --> 00:13:52,639
penning the section of concern to her
 

857
00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,629
penning the section of concern to her
native status. I feel it's important to

858
00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:54,639
native status. I feel it's important to
 

859
00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,310
native status. I feel it's important to
mention this in order to be clear on my

860
00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:56,320
mention this in order to be clear on my
 

861
00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,389
mention this in order to be clear on my
own bias towards my sources of

862
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:58,399
own bias towards my sources of
 

863
00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:00,150
own bias towards my sources of
information regarding Lily as a person.

864
00:14:00,150 --> 00:14:00,160
information regarding Lily as a person.
 

865
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,750
information regarding Lily as a person.
Courtney informed me that their maternal

866
00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:01,760
Courtney informed me that their maternal
 

867
00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,949
Courtney informed me that their maternal
great-g grandandmother through their

868
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:02,959
great-g grandandmother through their
 

869
00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:05,590
great-g grandandmother through their
grandfather named Hank was Sock Fox and

870
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:05,600
grandfather named Hank was Sock Fox and
 

871
00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,590
grandfather named Hank was Sock Fox and
Ikcoy. While this information could

872
00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:07,600
Ikcoy. While this information could
 

873
00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,069
Ikcoy. While this information could
imply that she has any number of 3 to

874
00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:10,079
imply that she has any number of 3 to
 

875
00:14:10,079 --> 00:14:11,829
imply that she has any number of 3 to
eight different ethnic groups within the

876
00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:11,839
eight different ethnic groups within the
 

877
00:14:11,839 --> 00:14:13,509
eight different ethnic groups within the
region in her ancestry, it also

878
00:14:13,509 --> 00:14:13,519
region in her ancestry, it also
 

879
00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:15,269
region in her ancestry, it also
similarly implies that her own blood

880
00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:15,279
similarly implies that her own blood
 

881
00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:17,350
similarly implies that her own blood
quantum was possibly not totally native.

882
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:17,360
quantum was possibly not totally native.
 

883
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,509
quantum was possibly not totally native.
The reason that BQ is coming up here is

884
00:14:19,509 --> 00:14:19,519
The reason that BQ is coming up here is
 

885
00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:21,430
The reason that BQ is coming up here is
because based on this claim through this

886
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:21,440
because based on this claim through this
 

887
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,430
because based on this claim through this
sole unenrolled ancestry and their

888
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:23,440
sole unenrolled ancestry and their
 

889
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,069
sole unenrolled ancestry and their
grandfather Hank puts them at about 1/8

890
00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:26,079
grandfather Hank puts them at about 1/8
 

891
00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:28,069
grandfather Hank puts them at about 1/8
total. Assuming that the shared traits

892
00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:28,079
total. Assuming that the shared traits
 

893
00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:29,670
total. Assuming that the shared traits
were passed down at a maximum for each

894
00:14:29,670 --> 00:14:29,680
were passed down at a maximum for each
 

895
00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,509
were passed down at a maximum for each
generation and even then it was split

896
00:14:31,509 --> 00:14:31,519
generation and even then it was split
 

897
00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:33,350
generation and even then it was split
between at least three distinct tribes

898
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:33,360
between at least three distinct tribes
 

899
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,750
between at least three distinct tribes
and no other ethnic traits came from his

900
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:35,760
and no other ethnic traits came from his
 

901
00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,389
and no other ethnic traits came from his
one native parent. That means at best 4%

902
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:38,399
one native parent. That means at best 4%
 

903
00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,069
one native parent. That means at best 4%
of their inherited traits are from any

904
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:40,079
of their inherited traits are from any
 

905
00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:41,750
of their inherited traits are from any
of these people. In almost every case

906
00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:41,760
of these people. In almost every case
 

907
00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,509
of these people. In almost every case
across the continent, Lily wouldn't be

908
00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:43,519
across the continent, Lily wouldn't be
 

909
00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:45,269
across the continent, Lily wouldn't be
able to enroll for tribal benefits and

910
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:45,279
able to enroll for tribal benefits and
 

911
00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:47,269
able to enroll for tribal benefits and
in Canada simply cannot due to how far

912
00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:47,279
in Canada simply cannot due to how far
 

913
00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:48,949
in Canada simply cannot due to how far
removed from their own tribe Lily's

914
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:48,959
removed from their own tribe Lily's
 

915
00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:50,949
removed from their own tribe Lily's
family generation has become. Further

916
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:50,959
family generation has become. Further
 

917
00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,470
family generation has become. Further
though, Courtney has confirmed that

918
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:52,480
though, Courtney has confirmed that
 

919
00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,990
though, Courtney has confirmed that
their culture growing up in was

920
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:54,000
their culture growing up in was
 

921
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,310
their culture growing up in was
remarkably consistent with their fathers

922
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:56,320
remarkably consistent with their fathers
 

923
00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,750
remarkably consistent with their fathers
and that they have been described as

924
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:57,760
and that they have been described as
 

925
00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,910
and that they have been described as
more Newfoundlander than Canadian. And

926
00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:59,920
more Newfoundlander than Canadian. And
 

927
00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,509
more Newfoundlander than Canadian. And
based on Lily's previous claim to be

928
00:15:01,509 --> 00:15:01,519
based on Lily's previous claim to be
 

929
00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,509
based on Lily's previous claim to be
Cherokee and more recent clinging to a

930
00:15:03,509 --> 00:15:03,519
Cherokee and more recent clinging to a
 

931
00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,750
Cherokee and more recent clinging to a
status that their MCM cousins benefit

932
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:05,760
status that their MCM cousins benefit
 

933
00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,750
status that their MCM cousins benefit
from as an indication that she is of

934
00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:07,760
from as an indication that she is of
 

935
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,110
from as an indication that she is of
that particular ethnic group,

936
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:09,120
that particular ethnic group,
 

937
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,310
that particular ethnic group,
conversations with Courtney have

938
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:10,320
conversations with Courtney have
 

939
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:11,509
conversations with Courtney have
informed me that they're not even

940
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:11,519
informed me that they're not even
 

941
00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,350
informed me that they're not even
related to the parent of those cousins

942
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:13,360
related to the parent of those cousins
 

943
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,110
related to the parent of those cousins
from who they get their status. But it

944
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:15,120
from who they get their status. But it
 

945
00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,790
from who they get their status. But it
is doubtful to me that she has done any

946
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:16,800
is doubtful to me that she has done any
 

947
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,790
is doubtful to me that she has done any
of the work to connect no other native

948
00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:18,800
of the work to connect no other native
 

949
00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,150
of the work to connect no other native
people or learn about any of the

950
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:20,160
people or learn about any of the
 

951
00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,590
people or learn about any of the
cultures she pretends to be of.

952
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:21,600
cultures she pretends to be of.
 

953
00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,110
cultures she pretends to be of.
Previously on her Tumblr, she has

954
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:23,120
Previously on her Tumblr, she has
 

955
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,189
Previously on her Tumblr, she has
claimed Cherokee status openly, an

956
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:25,199
claimed Cherokee status openly, an
 

957
00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:27,350
claimed Cherokee status openly, an
unlikely notion given how far Cherokee

958
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:27,360
unlikely notion given how far Cherokee
 

959
00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,110
unlikely notion given how far Cherokee
lands are historically from Newf

960
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:29,120
lands are historically from Newf
 

961
00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,030
lands are historically from Newf
Foundland and has since abridged it to

962
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:31,040
Foundland and has since abridged it to
 

963
00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,790
Foundland and has since abridged it to
include other nations altogether. It is

964
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:32,800
include other nations altogether. It is
 

965
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,790
include other nations altogether. It is
not impossible for a Cherokee person to

966
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:34,800
not impossible for a Cherokee person to
 

967
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,030
not impossible for a Cherokee person to
wind up that far north, but it's not

968
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:37,040
wind up that far north, but it's not
 

969
00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,990
wind up that far north, but it's not
terribly common either. I've told you a

970
00:15:39,990 --> 00:15:40,000
terribly common either. I've told you a
 

971
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,350
terribly common either. I've told you a
lot of things here, and you can glean

972
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:41,360
lot of things here, and you can glean
 

973
00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,350
lot of things here, and you can glean
from the way that I phrase them of what

974
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:43,360
from the way that I phrase them of what
 

975
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,030
from the way that I phrase them of what
my opinion might be, but to be clear,

976
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:45,040
my opinion might be, but to be clear,
 

977
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,230
my opinion might be, but to be clear,
I'm going to go ahead and say it now.

978
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:46,240
I'm going to go ahead and say it now.
 

979
00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,069
I'm going to go ahead and say it now.
I'm not someone who invests a terribly

980
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:48,079
I'm not someone who invests a terribly
 

981
00:15:48,079 --> 00:15:49,910
I'm not someone who invests a terribly
large amount of emotional energy into

982
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:49,920
large amount of emotional energy into
 

983
00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,590
large amount of emotional energy into
pretendians, catching them, or trying

984
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:51,600
pretendians, catching them, or trying
 

985
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,350
pretendians, catching them, or trying
hard to recognize them. I tend to afford

986
00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:53,360
hard to recognize them. I tend to afford
 

987
00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,710
hard to recognize them. I tend to afford
people the grace of assuming that

988
00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:54,720
people the grace of assuming that
 

989
00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,310
people the grace of assuming that
they're being truthful until apparent

990
00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:56,320
they're being truthful until apparent
 

991
00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,470
they're being truthful until apparent
behavior emerges and perpetuates that

992
00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:58,480
behavior emerges and perpetuates that
 

993
00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,990
behavior emerges and perpetuates that
causes me to then become skeptical

994
00:15:59,990 --> 00:16:00,000
causes me to then become skeptical
 

995
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,910
causes me to then become skeptical
later. The phrase I have frequently said

996
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:01,920
later. The phrase I have frequently said
 

997
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,430
later. The phrase I have frequently said
when people ask me about this is,

998
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:03,440
when people ask me about this is,
 

999
00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,350
when people ask me about this is,
"Pretendians tend to out themselves

1000
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:05,360
"Pretendians tend to out themselves
 

1001
00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,110
"Pretendians tend to out themselves
given enough time." And it's true

1002
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:07,120
given enough time." And it's true
 

1003
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,590
given enough time." And it's true
enough. Most pretends are not smart or

1004
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:09,600
enough. Most pretends are not smart or
 

1005
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,350
enough. Most pretends are not smart or
consistent enough to keep up such an act

1006
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:11,360
consistent enough to keep up such an act
 

1007
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,550
consistent enough to keep up such an act
perpetually and accurately and

1008
00:16:13,550 --> 00:16:13,560
perpetually and accurately and
 

1009
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,069
perpetually and accurately and
believably indefinitely. Lily Pete

1010
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:16,079
believably indefinitely. Lily Pete
 

1011
00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:18,710
believably indefinitely. Lily Pete
inarguably has some native ancestry.

1012
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:18,720
inarguably has some native ancestry.
 

1013
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,829
inarguably has some native ancestry.
This is not a thing that can be

1014
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:19,839
This is not a thing that can be
 

1015
00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:22,069
This is not a thing that can be
discounted or taken from her, but it's

1016
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:22,079
discounted or taken from her, but it's
 

1017
00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:23,670
discounted or taken from her, but it's
also not terribly important. The key

1018
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:23,680
also not terribly important. The key
 

1019
00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,150
also not terribly important. The key
lynch pin to being an American Indian is

1020
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:26,160
lynch pin to being an American Indian is
 

1021
00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,710
lynch pin to being an American Indian is
cultural, our values, beliefs, and ways

1022
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:28,720
cultural, our values, beliefs, and ways
 

1023
00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,150
cultural, our values, beliefs, and ways
of being. It's why children who are

1024
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:30,160
of being. It's why children who are
 

1025
00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,310
of being. It's why children who are
adopted with no blood quantum are, in my

1026
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:32,320
adopted with no blood quantum are, in my
 

1027
00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,230
adopted with no blood quantum are, in my
eyes, just as native as their adopted

1028
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:34,240
eyes, just as native as their adopted
 

1029
00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,629
eyes, just as native as their adopted
cousin, whose family has had 100% blood

1030
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:36,639
cousin, whose family has had 100% blood
 

1031
00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,550
cousin, whose family has had 100% blood
quantum and never left the area of

1032
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:38,560
quantum and never left the area of
 

1033
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,230
quantum and never left the area of
origin of their people ever. through

1034
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:40,240
origin of their people ever. through
 

1035
00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,749
origin of their people ever. through
several patterns of behavior and

1036
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:41,759
several patterns of behavior and
 

1037
00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,150
several patterns of behavior and
testament via sibling. I am of the

1038
00:16:44,150 --> 00:16:44,160
testament via sibling. I am of the
 

1039
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,990
testament via sibling. I am of the
opinion that Lily has not only showcased

1040
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:46,000
opinion that Lily has not only showcased
 

1041
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,749
opinion that Lily has not only showcased
that she is not native, but she is

1042
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:47,759
that she is not native, but she is
 

1043
00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,670
that she is not native, but she is
actively a pretendian. Not only does she

1044
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:49,680
actively a pretendian. Not only does she
 

1045
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,069
actively a pretendian. Not only does she
misrepresent her actual ethnic ancestry,

1046
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:52,079
misrepresent her actual ethnic ancestry,
 

1047
00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:53,910
misrepresent her actual ethnic ancestry,
but she chooses to exaggerate through

1048
00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:53,920
but she chooses to exaggerate through
 

1049
00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,310
but she chooses to exaggerate through
admission of how much an impact the

1050
00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:56,320
admission of how much an impact the
 

1051
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,749
admission of how much an impact the
culture has had on her life and how much

1052
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:57,759
culture has had on her life and how much
 

1053
00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:59,269
culture has had on her life and how much
she participates in it. The idea that

1054
00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:59,279
she participates in it. The idea that
 

1055
00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,350
she participates in it. The idea that
she would do this and speak for people

1056
00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:01,360
she would do this and speak for people
 

1057
00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,509
she would do this and speak for people
that she is not a part of and often over

1058
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:03,519
that she is not a part of and often over
 

1059
00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,510
that she is not a part of and often over
a number of us has made me feel sick.

1060
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:05,520
a number of us has made me feel sick.
 

1061
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,270
a number of us has made me feel sick.
There is never a positive outcome for

1062
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:07,280
There is never a positive outcome for
 

1063
00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:08,870
There is never a positive outcome for
being a pretendian. And the best one

1064
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:08,880
being a pretendian. And the best one
 

1065
00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,470
being a pretendian. And the best one
that can be hoped for is that she admits

1066
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:10,480
that can be hoped for is that she admits
 

1067
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,470
that can be hoped for is that she admits
to this and either never claims status

1068
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:12,480
to this and either never claims status
 

1069
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,549
to this and either never claims status
again, becomes an ally, or makes an

1070
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:14,559
again, becomes an ally, or makes an
 

1071
00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:16,470
again, becomes an ally, or makes an
active effort to connect to the culture,

1072
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:16,480
active effort to connect to the culture,
 

1073
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,309
active effort to connect to the culture,
learn, and grow from this wrong that

1074
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:18,319
learn, and grow from this wrong that
 

1075
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,309
learn, and grow from this wrong that
she's committed. In closing, I think

1076
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:20,319
she's committed. In closing, I think
 

1077
00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:21,510
she's committed. In closing, I think
it's worth saying that based on

1078
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:21,520
it's worth saying that based on
 

1079
00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,189
it's worth saying that based on
statements and information gathered, one

1080
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:23,199
statements and information gathered, one
 

1081
00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:24,549
statements and information gathered, one
should come to their own conclusions.

1082
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:24,559
should come to their own conclusions.
 

1083
00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,549
should come to their own conclusions.
That is only fair to Lily and to

1084
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:26,559
That is only fair to Lily and to
 

1085
00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,710
That is only fair to Lily and to
yourself. I don't expect and wouldn't

1086
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:28,720
yourself. I don't expect and wouldn't
 

1087
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,470
yourself. I don't expect and wouldn't
want someone to solely use my word on

1088
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:30,480
want someone to solely use my word on
 

1089
00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,390
want someone to solely use my word on
these issues. I can only speak to my own

1090
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:32,400
these issues. I can only speak to my own
 

1091
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,470
these issues. I can only speak to my own
outlook and the conclusions drawn

1092
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:34,480
outlook and the conclusions drawn
 

1093
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,230
outlook and the conclusions drawn
thereby, but I do appreciate you for

1094
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:36,240
thereby, but I do appreciate you for
 

1095
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,750
thereby, but I do appreciate you for
giving what I had to say a listen and

1096
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:37,760
giving what I had to say a listen and
 

1097
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,590
giving what I had to say a listen and
hope you all have a peaceful and kind

1098
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:39,600
hope you all have a peaceful and kind
 

1099
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,990
hope you all have a peaceful and kind
day. Back to you, KP. Here's all of

1100
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:42,000
day. Back to you, KP. Here's all of
 

1101
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,830
day. Back to you, KP. Here's all of
Lily's multiple names that she's used

1102
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:43,840
Lily's multiple names that she's used
 

1103
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,310
Lily's multiple names that she's used
online at this point. Warning that one

1104
00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:46,320
online at this point. Warning that one
 

1105
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,070
online at this point. Warning that one
is a dead name, the one that she wrote

1106
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:48,080
is a dead name, the one that she wrote
 

1107
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,909
is a dead name, the one that she wrote
her fanfiction under. So, skip to this

1108
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:49,919
her fanfiction under. So, skip to this
 

1109
00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:51,190
her fanfiction under. So, skip to this
time code if that makes you

1110
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:51,200
time code if that makes you
 

1111
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,029
time code if that makes you
uncomfortable. All dead naming after

1112
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:53,039
uncomfortable. All dead naming after
 

1113
00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,029
uncomfortable. All dead naming after
this will be censored and links below if

1114
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:55,039
this will be censored and links below if
 

1115
00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,350
this will be censored and links below if
you want to check my work. Lily Orchard,

1116
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:57,360
you want to check my work. Lily Orchard,
 

1117
00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,230
you want to check my work. Lily Orchard,
Willy Pete, Jerry Pete, Terra, Cali,

1118
00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:00,240
Willy Pete, Jerry Pete, Terra, Cali,
 

1119
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,789
Willy Pete, Jerry Pete, Terra, Cali,
Ball Spawn, etc. When I tried to

1120
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:02,799
Ball Spawn, etc. When I tried to
 

1121
00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:04,710
Ball Spawn, etc. When I tried to
confront Lily about this and offered to

1122
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:04,720
confront Lily about this and offered to
 

1123
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,549
confront Lily about this and offered to
assist as a mod between her and

1124
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:06,559
assist as a mod between her and
 

1125
00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:08,549
assist as a mod between her and
Courtney, I was blocked on all

1126
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:08,559
Courtney, I was blocked on all
 

1127
00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,390
Courtney, I was blocked on all
platforms, and Lily, who claimed to be

1128
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:10,400
platforms, and Lily, who claimed to be
 

1129
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,310
platforms, and Lily, who claimed to be
in the hospital that day for what I

1130
00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:12,320
in the hospital that day for what I
 

1131
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,390
in the hospital that day for what I
assume was a madeup injury now, was on

1132
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:14,400
assume was a madeup injury now, was on
 

1133
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,310
assume was a madeup injury now, was on
Tumblr 3 minutes later, claiming that

1134
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:16,320
Tumblr 3 minutes later, claiming that
 

1135
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,549
Tumblr 3 minutes later, claiming that
she felt used. Then she proceeded to

1136
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:18,559
she felt used. Then she proceeded to
 

1137
00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:20,390
she felt used. Then she proceeded to
tell her fans not to reach out to me,

1138
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:20,400
tell her fans not to reach out to me,
 

1139
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,750
tell her fans not to reach out to me,
only so she could start painting a

1140
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:21,760
only so she could start painting a
 

1141
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,310
only so she could start painting a
narrative herself. Ick. I recorded this

1142
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:24,320
narrative herself. Ick. I recorded this
 

1143
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,669
narrative herself. Ick. I recorded this
conversation, which I'll play in a

1144
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:25,679
conversation, which I'll play in a
 

1145
00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:26,950
conversation, which I'll play in a
second, to make sure the contents

1146
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:26,960
second, to make sure the contents
 

1147
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,630
second, to make sure the contents
weren't fabricated later since Silly

1148
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:28,640
weren't fabricated later since Silly
 

1149
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,710
weren't fabricated later since Silly
seems to be a pathological liar when

1150
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:30,720
seems to be a pathological liar when
 

1151
00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,549
seems to be a pathological liar when
she's caught in hot water. I don't like

1152
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:32,559
she's caught in hot water. I don't like
 

1153
00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:33,830
she's caught in hot water. I don't like
recording people without their

1154
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:33,840
recording people without their
 

1155
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,430
recording people without their
knowledge, but I had to both protect

1156
00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:35,440
knowledge, but I had to both protect
 

1157
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,950
knowledge, but I had to both protect
myself as well as this being an

1158
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:36,960
myself as well as this being an
 

1159
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,150
myself as well as this being an
outofwater case for an alleged rapist.

1160
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:40,160
outofwater case for an alleged rapist.
 

1161
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,830
outofwater case for an alleged rapist.
[Music]

1162
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:43,840
[Music]
 

1163
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,870
[Music]
Hey, how are you? Hey, I'm all right.

1164
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:46,880
Hey, how are you? Hey, I'm all right.
 

1165
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,110
Hey, how are you? Hey, I'm all right.
How are you? Good, good. Um, how's your

1166
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:49,120
How are you? Good, good. Um, how's your
 

1167
00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,270
How are you? Good, good. Um, how's your
how's your leg doing?

1168
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:51,280
how's your leg doing?
 

1169
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,669
how's your leg doing?
Uh well, it turns out uh I'm gonna I

1170
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:55,679
Uh well, it turns out uh I'm gonna I
 

1171
00:18:55,679 --> 00:18:58,150
Uh well, it turns out uh I'm gonna I
have uh limited mobility. I cannot walk

1172
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:58,160
have uh limited mobility. I cannot walk
 

1173
00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,870
have uh limited mobility. I cannot walk
very much. And as much as I I thought it

1174
00:19:00,870 --> 00:19:00,880
very much. And as much as I I thought it
 

1175
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,710
very much. And as much as I I thought it
was just me being out of shape, turns

1176
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:02,720
was just me being out of shape, turns
 

1177
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,549
was just me being out of shape, turns
out I was actually I have an actual

1178
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:04,559
out I was actually I have an actual
 

1179
00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:06,390
out I was actually I have an actual
chronic injury and I'm going to have to

1180
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:06,400
chronic injury and I'm going to have to
 

1181
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,710
chronic injury and I'm going to have to
buy a cane. Oh, that's that's that sucks

1182
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:08,720
buy a cane. Oh, that's that's that sucks
 

1183
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,710
buy a cane. Oh, that's that's that sucks
to hear. Are you going to be be okay?

1184
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:10,720
to hear. Are you going to be be okay?
 

1185
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,950
to hear. Are you going to be be okay?
Like

1186
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:12,960
Like
 

1187
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,710
Like
uh yeah, I'll be okay. I just need to

1188
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:14,720
uh yeah, I'll be okay. I just need to
 

1189
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,630
uh yeah, I'll be okay. I just need to
like not overdo it like I did the last

1190
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:16,640
like not overdo it like I did the last
 

1191
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,630
like not overdo it like I did the last
two days, right? That's fair. I mean, I

1192
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:18,640
two days, right? That's fair. I mean, I
 

1193
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,470
two days, right? That's fair. I mean, I
imagine um taking around would um would

1194
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:22,480
imagine um taking around would um would
 

1195
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,789
imagine um taking around would um would
kind of exacerbate that, right? Uh

1196
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:24,799
kind of exacerbate that, right? Uh
 

1197
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:29,909
kind of exacerbate that, right? Uh
walking around a lot.

1198
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:29,919

 

1199
00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:33,029

Yeah.

1200
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:33,039

 

1201
00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:35,430

Um okay. Well, I I just wanted to check

1202
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:35,440
Um okay. Well, I I just wanted to check
 

1203
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,750
Um okay. Well, I I just wanted to check
in because I just been kind of concerned

1204
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:37,760
in because I just been kind of concerned
 

1205
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,310
in because I just been kind of concerned
about some of the stuff I've been seeing

1206
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:40,320
about some of the stuff I've been seeing
 

1207
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,270
about some of the stuff I've been seeing
like regarding your your things. Are

1208
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:43,280
like regarding your your things. Are
 

1209
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,590
like regarding your your things. Are
like first of all, are you okay? Do you

1210
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:45,600
like first of all, are you okay? Do you
 

1211
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,390
like first of all, are you okay? Do you
need to talk about it more?

1212
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:48,400
need to talk about it more?
 

1213
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,350
need to talk about it more?
Uh, what do you mean specifically?

1214
00:19:52,350 --> 00:19:52,360
Uh, what do you mean specifically?
 

1215
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:56,470
Uh, what do you mean specifically?
Um, I like I don't even know where to

1216
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:56,480
Um, I like I don't even know where to
 

1217
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,870
Um, I like I don't even know where to
start, but like

1218
00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:59,880
start, but like
 

1219
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,830
start, but like
um like like your sister has did did a

1220
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:03,840
um like like your sister has did did a
 

1221
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,710
um like like your sister has did did a
YouTube video or something, right?

1222
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:06,720
YouTube video or something, right?
 

1223
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,750
YouTube video or something, right?
Oh, yeah. Courtney. Uh, I don't call

1224
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:09,760
Oh, yeah. Courtney. Uh, I don't call
 

1225
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,029
Oh, yeah. Courtney. Uh, I don't call
Courtney my sister anymore

1226
00:20:12,029 --> 00:20:12,039
Courtney my sister anymore
 

1227
00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:17,390
Courtney my sister anymore
because quite

1228
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:17,400

 

1229
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,590

frankly, she is a piece of work.

1230
00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:20,600
frankly, she is a piece of work.
 

1231
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,310
frankly, she is a piece of work.
Um, Courtney has decided that because I

1232
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:24,320
Um, Courtney has decided that because I
 

1233
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,990
Um, Courtney has decided that because I
live a better life than her that she's

1234
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:26,000
live a better life than her that she's
 

1235
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,830
live a better life than her that she's
going to try and tell people that I

1236
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:27,840
going to try and tell people that I
 

1237
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,750
going to try and tell people that I
molested her as a child.

1238
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:31,760
molested her as a child.
 

1239
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,669
molested her as a child.
I didn't. Go on. Well, I I guess I guess

1240
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:35,679
I didn't. Go on. Well, I I guess I guess
 

1241
00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:39,110
I didn't. Go on. Well, I I guess I guess
I under I understand. Um, but I it's

1242
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:39,120
I under I understand. Um, but I it's
 

1243
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,190
I under I understand. Um, but I it's
just kind of a lot on the table, I

1244
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:43,200
just kind of a lot on the table, I
 

1245
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,430
just kind of a lot on the table, I
guess, for me and in my triggers kind of

1246
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:45,440
guess, for me and in my triggers kind of
 

1247
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,110
guess, for me and in my triggers kind of
learning about that. Um, regardless like

1248
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:49,120
learning about that. Um, regardless like
 

1249
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,470
learning about that. Um, regardless like
of

1250
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:51,480
of
 

1251
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,310
of
um, you know, if if Courtney's unstable,

1252
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:54,320
um, you know, if if Courtney's unstable,
 

1253
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,470
um, you know, if if Courtney's unstable,
that's fine. But I guess like it just

1254
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:56,480
that's fine. But I guess like it just
 

1255
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,510
that's fine. But I guess like it just
seems like a lot of a lot of effort um

1256
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:59,520
seems like a lot of a lot of effort um
 

1257
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,350
seems like a lot of a lot of effort um
for for her to talk about it publicly or

1258
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:03,360
for for her to talk about it publicly or
 

1259
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,350
for for her to talk about it publicly or
start to as just kind of is is she just

1260
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:05,360
start to as just kind of is is she just
 

1261
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,350
start to as just kind of is is she just
trying to to slander you at this this

1262
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:07,360
trying to to slander you at this this
 

1263
00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:08,950
trying to to slander you at this this
point? Like I'm just kind of

1264
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:08,960
point? Like I'm just kind of
 

1265
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,270
point? Like I'm just kind of
overstimulated and kind of confused at

1266
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:11,280
overstimulated and kind of confused at
 

1267
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,789
overstimulated and kind of confused at
right like right now. Yeah, she is.

1268
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:12,799
right like right now. Yeah, she is.
 

1269
00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,510
right like right now. Yeah, she is.
She's just trying to uh slander me. I I

1270
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:15,520
She's just trying to uh slander me. I I
 

1271
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,070
She's just trying to uh slander me. I I
never I never touch Courtney. Um

1272
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:20,080
never I never touch Courtney. Um
 

1273
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,310
never I never touch Courtney. Um
years ago she claimed that our brother

1274
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:22,320
years ago she claimed that our brother
 

1275
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,230
years ago she claimed that our brother
did. Um, and I believed her at the time,

1276
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:26,240
did. Um, and I believed her at the time,
 

1277
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,990
did. Um, and I believed her at the time,
but now but uh I'm casting that in

1278
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:30,000
but now but uh I'm casting that in
 

1279
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,510
but now but uh I'm casting that in
serious doubt now that she's turning

1280
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:31,520
serious doubt now that she's turning
 

1281
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,230
serious doubt now that she's turning
that those exact same stories on me.

1282
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:34,240
that those exact same stories on me.
 

1283
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,390
that those exact same stories on me.
Right. Right. Um, so the other thing um

1284
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:38,400
Right. Right. Um, so the other thing um
 

1285
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,230
Right. Right. Um, so the other thing um
that I guess is kind of coming out of

1286
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:40,240
that I guess is kind of coming out of
 

1287
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,870
that I guess is kind of coming out of
the woodwork is this this fanfiction

1288
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,880
the woodwork is this this fanfiction
 

1289
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,549
the woodwork is this this fanfiction
that I didn't know about. Like not to

1290
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:44,559
that I didn't know about. Like not to
 

1291
00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:46,630
that I didn't know about. Like not to
bring it up, but like I asked Michaela

1292
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:46,640
bring it up, but like I asked Michaela
 

1293
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,230
bring it up, but like I asked Michaela
about it a couple of years ago, like

1294
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:48,240
about it a couple of years ago, like
 

1295
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,950
about it a couple of years ago, like
when it was being brought up by like

1296
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:50,960
when it was being brought up by like
 

1297
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,950
when it was being brought up by like
just in general, and she said it had

1298
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:52,960
just in general, and she said it had
 

1299
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,630
just in general, and she said it had
something to do with your with your

1300
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:54,640
something to do with your with your
 

1301
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,630
something to do with your with your
trauma. I didn't I didn't push that, but

1302
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:56,640
trauma. I didn't I didn't push that, but
 

1303
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,029
trauma. I didn't I didn't push that, but
I guess just like I I don't Yeah. Oh,

1304
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:02,039
I guess just like I I don't Yeah. Oh,
 

1305
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:05,990
I guess just like I I don't Yeah. Oh,
okay. Here's how this goes. So, I was

1306
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:06,000
okay. Here's how this goes. So, I was
 

1307
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,110
okay. Here's how this goes. So, I was
really [\h__\h] pissed off at uh the fact

1308
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:09,120
really [\h__\h] pissed off at uh the fact
 

1309
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,710
really [\h__\h] pissed off at uh the fact
that Finn fiction just basically

1310
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:12,720
that Finn fiction just basically
 

1311
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,870
that Finn fiction just basically
basically just kind of let anything go

1312
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:14,880
basically just kind of let anything go
 

1313
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,270
basically just kind of let anything go
in regard in regards to content and just

1314
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:17,280
in regard in regards to content and just
 

1315
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,590
in regard in regards to content and just
hosted a shitload of child porn. So, I

1316
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:19,600
hosted a shitload of child porn. So, I
 

1317
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,950
hosted a shitload of child porn. So, I
wrote a book where basically a bunch of

1318
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:20,960
wrote a book where basically a bunch of
 

1319
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,710
wrote a book where basically a bunch of
p So, I wrote a a fick where a bunch of

1320
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:22,720
p So, I wrote a a fick where a bunch of
 

1321
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,789
p So, I wrote a a fick where a bunch of
pedophiles just get shot in the head and

1322
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:24,799
pedophiles just get shot in the head and
 

1323
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:27,270
pedophiles just get shot in the head and
then bronies got really mad about it and

1324
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:27,280
then bronies got really mad about it and
 

1325
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,990
then bronies got really mad about it and
started lying about its contents.

1326
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:30,000
started lying about its contents.
 

1327
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,470
started lying about its contents.
Right. Well, from my understanding, the

1328
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:32,480
Right. Well, from my understanding, the
 

1329
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,789
Right. Well, from my understanding, the
context or Scootaloo and some of the

1330
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:34,799
context or Scootaloo and some of the
 

1331
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:39,350
context or Scootaloo and some of the
other um CMC have like relations with

1332
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:39,360
other um CMC have like relations with
 

1333
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:45,669
other um CMC have like relations with
the um with Rainbow Dash and stuff.

1334
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:45,679

 

1335
00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:48,070

Nope.

1336
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:48,080
Nope.
 

1337
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,549
Nope.
Right. Um why are you asking me about

1338
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:50,559
Right. Um why are you asking me about
 

1339
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,029
Right. Um why are you asking me about
all this? because I'm I'm I'm just kind

1340
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:53,039
all this? because I'm I'm I'm just kind
 

1341
00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:56,230
all this? because I'm I'm I'm just kind
of confused about like what's going on.

1342
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:56,240
of confused about like what's going on.
 

1343
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,310
of confused about like what's going on.
And I just like if that were the case, I

1344
00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:00,320
And I just like if that were the case, I
 

1345
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,350
And I just like if that were the case, I
don't like I don't know why if like it

1346
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:03,360
don't like I don't know why if like it
 

1347
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:04,950
don't like I don't know why if like it
was making the rounds again. I don't

1348
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:04,960
was making the rounds again. I don't
 

1349
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,830
was making the rounds again. I don't
know why you didn't you didn't tell me,

1350
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:07,840
know why you didn't you didn't tell me,
 

1351
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,909
know why you didn't you didn't tell me,
hey, you know, this like fanfiction's

1352
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:09,919
hey, you know, this like fanfiction's
 

1353
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,750
hey, you know, this like fanfiction's
making the round just so you like I have

1354
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:11,760
making the round just so you like I have
 

1355
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,750
making the round just so you like I have
to

1356
00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:12,760
to
 

1357
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,990
to
like to to to kind of be exposed with

1358
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:16,000
like to to to kind of be exposed with
 

1359
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,750
like to to to kind of be exposed with
this with other people and I'm just kind

1360
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:17,760
this with other people and I'm just kind
 

1361
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,310
this with other people and I'm just kind
of just confused at I generally just

1362
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:20,320
of just confused at I generally just
 

1363
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,549
of just confused at I generally just
don't talk I just generally don't talk

1364
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:22,559
don't talk I just generally don't talk
 

1365
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,070
don't talk I just generally don't talk
about it because, you know, it's one of

1366
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:26,080
about it because, you know, it's one of
 

1367
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,549
about it because, you know, it's one of
the most it's it's one of the more

1368
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:28,559
the most it's it's one of the more
 

1369
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,710
the most it's it's one of the more
persistent pieces of fiction that pass

1370
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:30,720
persistent pieces of fiction that pass
 

1371
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,149
persistent pieces of fiction that pass
around about me because nothing get

1372
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:34,159
around about me because nothing get
 

1373
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,630
around about me because nothing get
Nothing passes the rounds better passes

1374
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:36,640
Nothing passes the rounds better passes
 

1375
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,190
Nothing passes the rounds better passes
the rounds more than transgirl predator,

1376
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:39,200
the rounds more than transgirl predator,
 

1377
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,750
the rounds more than transgirl predator,
right? Um and just Okay. Well, I just

1378
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:41,760
right? Um and just Okay. Well, I just
 

1379
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,029
right? Um and just Okay. Well, I just
don't talk about it. I don't acknowledge

1380
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:43,039
don't talk about it. I don't acknowledge
 

1381
00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,549
don't talk about it. I don't acknowledge
it. I don't give it attention. That's

1382
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:44,559
it. I don't give it attention. That's
 

1383
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,630
it. I don't give it attention. That's
pretty much all it's been. Okay. Well, I

1384
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:46,640
pretty much all it's been. Okay. Well, I
 

1385
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,669
pretty much all it's been. Okay. Well, I
guess um at this point, regardless of

1386
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:49,679
guess um at this point, regardless of
 

1387
00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,950
guess um at this point, regardless of
you v Courtourtney, like I understand I

1388
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:52,960
you v Courtourtney, like I understand I
 

1389
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,630
you v Courtourtney, like I understand I
think there's been some transphobia on

1390
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:54,640
think there's been some transphobia on
 

1391
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,350
think there's been some transphobia on
the table and that's not okay. So, as a

1392
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:57,360
the table and that's not okay. So, as a
 

1393
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,549
the table and that's not okay. So, as a
favor to you, if I reached out to

1394
00:24:00,549 --> 00:24:00,559
favor to you, if I reached out to
 

1395
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,710
favor to you, if I reached out to
Courtney and got her to apologize for

1396
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:02,720
Courtney and got her to apologize for
 

1397
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,430
Courtney and got her to apologize for
the trans the trans. No, no, no. I do

1398
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:05,440
the trans the trans. No, no, no. I do
 

1399
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,950
the trans the trans. No, no, no. I do
not want you to reach out to Courtney at

1400
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:06,960
not want you to reach out to Courtney at
 

1401
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,789
not want you to reach out to Courtney at
all. Um, okay. Well, let me let me put

1402
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:10,799
all. Um, okay. Well, let me let me put
 

1403
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,390
all. Um, okay. Well, let me let me put
it this way. I don't feel comfortable

1404
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:12,400
it this way. I don't feel comfortable
 

1405
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,390
it this way. I don't feel comfortable
with any of this, Lily. I don't feel

1406
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:14,400
with any of this, Lily. I don't feel
 

1407
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,909
with any of this, Lily. I don't feel
comfortable with these allegations

1408
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:15,919
comfortable with these allegations
 

1409
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:18,390
comfortable with these allegations
against you. I just don't. So, all

1410
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:18,400
against you. I just don't. So, all
 

1411
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,590
against you. I just don't. So, all
right. Goodbye. Okay. Bye.

1412
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:21,600
right. Goodbye. Okay. Bye.
 

1413
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,269
right. Goodbye. Okay. Bye.
Now, since I don't believe I was a true

1414
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:23,279
Now, since I don't believe I was a true
 

1415
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,669
Now, since I don't believe I was a true
victim of the leak, yes, she lied to me

1416
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:25,679
victim of the leak, yes, she lied to me
 

1417
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:28,390
victim of the leak, yes, she lied to me
directly and passively for about 3

1418
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:28,400
directly and passively for about 3
 

1419
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,390
directly and passively for about 3
years, I thought I would use my platform

1420
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:30,400
years, I thought I would use my platform
 

1421
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,230
years, I thought I would use my platform
instead to reach out to victims of Lee

1422
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:32,240
instead to reach out to victims of Lee
 

1423
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,149
instead to reach out to victims of Lee
and talk about their own stories and why

1424
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:34,159
and talk about their own stories and why
 

1425
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,390
and talk about their own stories and why
she's a dangerous person and why she

1426
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:36,400
she's a dangerous person and why she
 

1427
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,390
she's a dangerous person and why she
should probably be deplatformed at this

1428
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:38,400
should probably be deplatformed at this
 

1429
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,230
should probably be deplatformed at this
point. I sat down and talked to Courtney

1430
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:40,240
point. I sat down and talked to Courtney
 

1431
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,230
point. I sat down and talked to Courtney
recently about how we came together and

1432
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:42,240
recently about how we came together and
 

1433
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,430
recently about how we came together and
how I started learning about

1434
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:43,440
how I started learning about
 

1435
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,590
how I started learning about
information. Here's that conversation.

1436
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:45,600
information. Here's that conversation.
 

1437
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,830
information. Here's that conversation.
Hello everyone. Welcome to the interview

1438
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:47,840
Hello everyone. Welcome to the interview
 

1439
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,630
Hello everyone. Welcome to the interview
section of the Lily video. Um, I have

1440
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:50,640
section of the Lily video. Um, I have
 

1441
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,549
section of the Lily video. Um, I have
Courtney with me. Say hi, Courtney. Hi,

1442
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:52,559
Courtney with me. Say hi, Courtney. Hi,
 

1443
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,070
Courtney with me. Say hi, Courtney. Hi,
everyone. So, there's been a lot of

1444
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:54,080
everyone. So, there's been a lot of
 

1445
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,310
everyone. So, there's been a lot of
questions about the timeline as far as

1446
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:56,320
questions about the timeline as far as
 

1447
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,149
questions about the timeline as far as
me understanding more of how Lily is,

1448
00:25:00,149 --> 00:25:00,159
me understanding more of how Lily is,
 

1449
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,230
me understanding more of how Lily is,
how Lily be. And for the most part, I

1450
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:02,240
how Lily be. And for the most part, I
 

1451
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,630
how Lily be. And for the most part, I
was pretty much in the dark because I

1452
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:04,640
was pretty much in the dark because I
 

1453
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,070
was pretty much in the dark because I
didn't look up this stuff because of my

1454
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:06,080
didn't look up this stuff because of my
 

1455
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,750
didn't look up this stuff because of my
triggers. But, uh, Courtney and a bunch

1456
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:07,760
triggers. But, uh, Courtney and a bunch
 

1457
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,230
triggers. But, uh, Courtney and a bunch
of other people helped me learn me, I

1458
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:10,240
of other people helped me learn me, I
 

1459
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,549
of other people helped me learn me, I
guess, and it got ickier the more I

1460
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:12,559
guess, and it got ickier the more I
 

1461
00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,310
guess, and it got ickier the more I
learned essentially. Courtney, I know

1462
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:14,320
learned essentially. Courtney, I know
 

1463
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,990
learned essentially. Courtney, I know
you did a video about this and people

1464
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:16,000
you did a video about this and people
 

1465
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,310
you did a video about this and people
can go look at the video if you want to.

1466
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:18,320
can go look at the video if you want to.
 

1467
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,750
can go look at the video if you want to.
It will be linked in the description and

1468
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:19,760
It will be linked in the description and
 

1469
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,909
It will be linked in the description and
stuff, but the general things were when

1470
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:21,919
stuff, but the general things were when
 

1471
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:23,669
stuff, but the general things were when
they raped you as a child, right? Yes.

1472
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:23,679
they raped you as a child, right? Yes.
 

1473
00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,750
they raped you as a child, right? Yes.
And that's unfortunate. And like

1474
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:25,760
And that's unfortunate. And like
 

1475
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,510
And that's unfortunate. And like
something I've noticed too is there's a

1476
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:27,520
something I've noticed too is there's a
 

1477
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,549
something I've noticed too is there's a
big shift in the conversation between

1478
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:30,559
big shift in the conversation between
 

1479
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,710
big shift in the conversation between
before you were on the scene and after

1480
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:32,720
before you were on the scene and after
 

1481
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,990
before you were on the scene and after
you were on the scene as far as because

1482
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:36,000
you were on the scene as far as because
 

1483
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,710
you were on the scene as far as because
Stockholm the the the fanfiction Lily

1484
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:38,720
Stockholm the the the fanfiction Lily
 

1485
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,310
Stockholm the the the fanfiction Lily
wrote was kind of like well maybe she

1486
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:42,320
wrote was kind of like well maybe she
 

1487
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,950
wrote was kind of like well maybe she
shouldn't have done it but maybe it's

1488
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:44,960
shouldn't have done it but maybe it's
 

1489
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,190
shouldn't have done it but maybe it's
just a fanfiction versus like an actual

1490
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:47,200
just a fanfiction versus like an actual
 

1491
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,950
just a fanfiction versus like an actual
victim who would have had some physical

1492
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:48,960
victim who would have had some physical
 

1493
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,669
victim who would have had some physical
contact with her. So would you say like

1494
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:51,679
contact with her. So would you say like
 

1495
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,269
contact with her. So would you say like
like how's that been going just

1496
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:53,279
like how's that been going just
 

1497
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,710
like how's that been going just
generally? Well, the problem with that

1498
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:56,720
generally? Well, the problem with that
 

1499
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,070
generally? Well, the problem with that
is that Stockholm isn't just an edgy

1500
00:26:00,070 --> 00:26:00,080
is that Stockholm isn't just an edgy
 

1501
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,710
is that Stockholm isn't just an edgy
fick. Like, it's a literal a literal

1502
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:02,720
fick. Like, it's a literal a literal
 

1503
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,510
fick. Like, it's a literal a literal
crime in Canada for Lily to have written

1504
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:05,520
crime in Canada for Lily to have written
 

1505
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,909
crime in Canada for Lily to have written
that. Like, the laws are literally

1506
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:07,919
that. Like, the laws are literally
 

1507
00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:10,950
that. Like, the laws are literally
written material, visualists, like

1508
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:10,960
written material, visualists, like
 

1509
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,110
written material, visualists, like
pictureless material. If it depicts an

1510
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:13,120
pictureless material. If it depicts an
 

1511
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,750
pictureless material. If it depicts an
underage person sexually, it's child

1512
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:15,760
underage person sexually, it's child
 

1513
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,789
underage person sexually, it's child
porn. So, Lily made child porn by

1514
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:18,799
porn. So, Lily made child porn by
 

1515
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,230
porn. So, Lily made child porn by
writing that. Whether or not it's about

1516
00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:21,240
writing that. Whether or not it's about
 

1517
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,909
writing that. Whether or not it's about
me at this point is irrelevant because

1518
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:23,919
me at this point is irrelevant because
 

1519
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:25,990
me at this point is irrelevant because
it's an actual crime just writing that

1520
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:26,000
it's an actual crime just writing that
 

1521
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,149
it's an actual crime just writing that
even if it's not about me, right? And

1522
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:28,159
even if it's not about me, right? And
 

1523
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,230
even if it's not about me, right? And
that's like she could get 14 years in

1524
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:30,240
that's like she could get 14 years in
 

1525
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,269
that's like she could get 14 years in
prison for it. I think something that a

1526
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:33,279
prison for it. I think something that a
 

1527
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,710
prison for it. I think something that a
lot of people don't really understand

1528
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:34,720
lot of people don't really understand
 

1529
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,549
lot of people don't really understand
is, you know, going into all of this

1530
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:36,559
is, you know, going into all of this
 

1531
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,710
is, you know, going into all of this
stuff and I believe she's been able to

1532
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:38,720
stuff and I believe she's been able to
 

1533
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,789
stuff and I believe she's been able to
get away with mostly because it's her

1534
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:40,799
get away with mostly because it's her
 

1535
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,190
get away with mostly because it's her
it's dead named like she doesn't

1536
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:43,200
it's dead named like she doesn't
 

1537
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,350
it's dead named like she doesn't
associate with it anymore. That and

1538
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:45,360
associate with it anymore. That and
 

1539
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,750
associate with it anymore. That and
she's just she spent so long separating

1540
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:47,760
she's just she spent so long separating
 

1541
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,149
she's just she spent so long separating
herself from it. Like first it was she

1542
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:50,159
herself from it. Like first it was she
 

1543
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:52,630
herself from it. Like first it was she
was fine admitting that she wrote it and

1544
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:52,640
was fine admitting that she wrote it and
 

1545
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,950
was fine admitting that she wrote it and
then it was she didn't write it and then

1546
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:54,960
then it was she didn't write it and then
 

1547
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,430
then it was she didn't write it and then
it was she only wrote parts of it and

1548
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:57,440
it was she only wrote parts of it and
 

1549
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,350
it was she only wrote parts of it and
now it's just completely made up by all

1550
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:59,360
now it's just completely made up by all
 

1551
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,789
now it's just completely made up by all
of us. Uhhuh. It's because she knows

1552
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:02,799
of us. Uhhuh. It's because she knows
 

1553
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:06,789
of us. Uhhuh. It's because she knows
it's a crime and like her own shift in

1554
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:06,799
it's a crime and like her own shift in
 

1555
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,630
it's a crime and like her own shift in
when she claimed it and when she stopped

1556
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:08,640
when she claimed it and when she stopped
 

1557
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,269
when she claimed it and when she stopped
claiming it is literally the year a man

1558
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:11,279
claiming it is literally the year a man
 

1559
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,669
claiming it is literally the year a man
in Nova Scotia got uh charged and

1560
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:13,679
in Nova Scotia got uh charged and
 

1561
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:17,110
in Nova Scotia got uh charged and
convicted of the same thing. Mhm. like

1562
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:17,120
convicted of the same thing. Mhm. like
 

1563
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:18,950
convicted of the same thing. Mhm. like
he got 10 years in prison and then she

1564
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:18,960
he got 10 years in prison and then she
 

1565
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,669
he got 10 years in prison and then she
went, "Oh no, that could happen to me."

1566
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:21,679
went, "Oh no, that could happen to me."
 

1567
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,909
went, "Oh no, that could happen to me."
I mean, it's just really transparent to

1568
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:23,919
I mean, it's just really transparent to
 

1569
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:25,830
I mean, it's just really transparent to
me like on hindsight knowing all this

1570
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:25,840
me like on hindsight knowing all this
 

1571
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,590
me like on hindsight knowing all this
stuff. Yeah. Um I guess back to um how I

1572
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:29,600
stuff. Yeah. Um I guess back to um how I
 

1573
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,870
stuff. Yeah. Um I guess back to um how I
started to learn about all this stuff.

1574
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:30,880
started to learn about all this stuff.
 

1575
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,269
started to learn about all this stuff.
So, I think what I what basically

1576
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:33,279
So, I think what I what basically
 

1577
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,230
So, I think what I what basically
happened is I was in another server

1578
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:36,240
happened is I was in another server
 

1579
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,149
happened is I was in another server
where I mentioned I was talking to Lily

1580
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:38,159
where I mentioned I was talking to Lily
 

1581
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,630
where I mentioned I was talking to Lily
and then that was around just around the

1582
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:40,640
and then that was around just around the
 

1583
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,990
and then that was around just around the
time you did your first testimony um on

1584
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:44,000
time you did your first testimony um on
 

1585
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,390
time you did your first testimony um on
YouTube about it and you know people

1586
00:27:46,390 --> 00:27:46,400
YouTube about it and you know people
 

1587
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,830
YouTube about it and you know people
were like, "Oh, you're talking Lily.

1588
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:47,840
were like, "Oh, you're talking Lily.
 

1589
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,430
were like, "Oh, you're talking Lily.
Lily Lily did this. Lily did this." And

1590
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:49,440
Lily Lily did this. Lily did this." And
 

1591
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,870
Lily Lily did this. Lily did this." And
I'm like, "What?" Like, "What? What are

1592
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:50,880
I'm like, "What?" Like, "What? What are
 

1593
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,549
I'm like, "What?" Like, "What? What are
you talking about? I don't know. I don't

1594
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:52,559
you talking about? I don't know. I don't
 

1595
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,870
you talking about? I don't know. I don't
know anything." So, um then I reached

1596
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:54,880
know anything." So, um then I reached
 

1597
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,630
know anything." So, um then I reached
out to you and some other people as far

1598
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:56,640
out to you and some other people as far
 

1599
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,430
out to you and some other people as far
as what exactly was going on. Um when

1600
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:59,440
as what exactly was going on. Um when
 

1601
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,110
as what exactly was going on. Um when
was that? That was in August, right?

1602
00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:01,120
was that? That was in August, right?
 

1603
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,029
was that? That was in August, right?
Something like that. September. Yeah, it

1604
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:03,039
Something like that. September. Yeah, it
 

1605
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,190
Something like that. September. Yeah, it
was late September. And I think it took

1606
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:05,200
was late September. And I think it took
 

1607
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,230
was late September. And I think it took
me like a whole week or two to kind of

1608
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:08,240
me like a whole week or two to kind of
 

1609
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,789
me like a whole week or two to kind of
go over everything because there was a

1610
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:10,799
go over everything because there was a
 

1611
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,110
go over everything because there was a
lot. I still haven't read the comic. I

1612
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:13,120
lot. I still haven't read the comic. I
 

1613
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,870
lot. I still haven't read the comic. I
don't really want to read the comic, but

1614
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:14,880
don't really want to read the comic, but
 

1615
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,710
don't really want to read the comic, but
just the general strokes of Lily being a

1616
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:16,720
just the general strokes of Lily being a
 

1617
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,389
just the general strokes of Lily being a
problem on the internet for a long time

1618
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:18,399
problem on the internet for a long time
 

1619
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,590
problem on the internet for a long time
and just she's in kind of a weird area

1620
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:20,600
and just she's in kind of a weird area
 

1621
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,630
and just she's in kind of a weird area
where, you know, she's able to get away

1622
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:22,640
where, you know, she's able to get away
 

1623
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,389
where, you know, she's able to get away
with it cuz her channel's not incredibly

1624
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:24,399
with it cuz her channel's not incredibly
 

1625
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,389
with it cuz her channel's not incredibly
big. But at the same time, again, now

1626
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:26,399
big. But at the same time, again, now
 

1627
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:27,830
big. But at the same time, again, now
that you're on the scene, I think it's a

1628
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:27,840
that you're on the scene, I think it's a
 

1629
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,669
that you're on the scene, I think it's a
whole different story.

1630
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:29,679
whole different story.
 

1631
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:31,430
whole different story.
She's also gotten away with it for so

1632
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:31,440
She's also gotten away with it for so
 

1633
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,510
She's also gotten away with it for so
long because she cultivates her fan base

1634
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:33,520
long because she cultivates her fan base
 

1635
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,190
long because she cultivates her fan base
so carefully. Like she boots anybody who

1636
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:37,200
so carefully. Like she boots anybody who
 

1637
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,430
so carefully. Like she boots anybody who
for like the slightest reason disagrees

1638
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:39,440
for like the slightest reason disagrees
 

1639
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,230
for like the slightest reason disagrees
with her. So that at this point she just

1640
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:42,240
with her. So that at this point she just
 

1641
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,310
with her. So that at this point she just
has a circle of yesmen. So like even

1642
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:46,320
has a circle of yesmen. So like even
 

1643
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,149
has a circle of yesmen. So like even
even if some of these people were

1644
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:48,159
even if some of these people were
 

1645
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,590
even if some of these people were
slapped in the face with proof, they're

1646
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:49,600
slapped in the face with proof, they're
 

1647
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,630
slapped in the face with proof, they're
not going to believe it because they've

1648
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:50,640
not going to believe it because they've
 

1649
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,350
not going to believe it because they've
been conditioned not to by Lily. Right.

1650
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:53,360
been conditioned not to by Lily. Right.
 

1651
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,110
been conditioned not to by Lily. Right.
And what really bothered me about um all

1652
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:57,120
And what really bothered me about um all
 

1653
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,909
And what really bothered me about um all
of this is she kind of used she compared

1654
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:59,919
of this is she kind of used she compared
 

1655
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,470
of this is she kind of used she compared
us and said like oh KP gets [\h__\h] I get

1656
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:02,480
us and said like oh KP gets [\h__\h] I get
 

1657
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,230
us and said like oh KP gets [\h__\h] I get
[\h__\h] too like the four genders are

1658
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:04,240
[\h__\h] too like the four genders are
 

1659
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,870
[\h__\h] too like the four genders are
making [\h__\h] about me and what and the

1660
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:06,880
making [\h__\h] about me and what and the
 

1661
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,669
making [\h__\h] about me and what and the
truth was that that's not uh fiction

1662
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:09,679
truth was that that's not uh fiction
 

1663
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,430
truth was that that's not uh fiction
that's actual like you know

1664
00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:12,440
that's actual like you know
 

1665
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,549
that's actual like you know
so I don't know it just made me feel

1666
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:14,559
so I don't know it just made me feel
 

1667
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,149
so I don't know it just made me feel
really icky. Um, yeah. And it's just a

1668
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:18,159
really icky. Um, yeah. And it's just a
 

1669
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,110
really icky. Um, yeah. And it's just a
testament to how she manipulates her her

1670
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:21,120
testament to how she manipulates her her
 

1671
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,549
testament to how she manipulates her her
following because I mean, she

1672
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:22,559
following because I mean, she
 

1673
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,310
following because I mean, she
manipulated the certain triggers that

1674
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:24,320
manipulated the certain triggers that
 

1675
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,549
manipulated the certain triggers that
you have with your trauma to make sure

1676
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:26,559
you have with your trauma to make sure
 

1677
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,549
you have with your trauma to make sure
you wouldn't go looking at this [\h__\h]

1678
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:28,559
you wouldn't go looking at this [\h__\h]
 

1679
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:31,909
you wouldn't go looking at this [\h__\h]
she's accused of. And I think like and

1680
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:31,919
she's accused of. And I think like and
 

1681
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,710
she's accused of. And I think like and
the thing that also frustrates me is I

1682
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:34,720
the thing that also frustrates me is I
 

1683
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,630
the thing that also frustrates me is I
was spending so many spoons or so much

1684
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:36,640
was spending so many spoons or so much
 

1685
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,029
was spending so many spoons or so much
emotional energy trying to work with

1686
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:39,039
emotional energy trying to work with
 

1687
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:40,950
emotional energy trying to work with
Michaela once I was learning all this

1688
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:40,960
Michaela once I was learning all this
 

1689
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,830
Michaela once I was learning all this
stuff and try to talk to her first, but

1690
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:43,840
stuff and try to talk to her first, but
 

1691
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,909
stuff and try to talk to her first, but
I was basically rushed to talk to Willie

1692
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:45,919
I was basically rushed to talk to Willie
 

1693
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,310
I was basically rushed to talk to Willie
due to some third party um interference

1694
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:48,320
due to some third party um interference
 

1695
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,350
due to some third party um interference
essentially. And uh Michaela turned on a

1696
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:51,360
essentially. And uh Michaela turned on a
 

1697
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,070
essentially. And uh Michaela turned on a
dime essentially. And that also really

1698
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:54,080
dime essentially. And that also really
 

1699
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,789
dime essentially. And that also really
was upsetting because I like Michaela. I

1700
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:56,799
was upsetting because I like Michaela. I
 

1701
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,430
was upsetting because I like Michaela. I
think she's nice and you know I know

1702
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:59,440
think she's nice and you know I know
 

1703
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,190
think she's nice and you know I know
Michaela it's important for Michaela to

1704
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:01,200
Michaela it's important for Michaela to
 

1705
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,789
Michaela it's important for Michaela to
have a YouTube presence and I think a

1706
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:02,799
have a YouTube presence and I think a
 

1707
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,789
have a YouTube presence and I think a
lot of it have to do with that but yeah

1708
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:04,799
lot of it have to do with that but yeah
 

1709
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,549
lot of it have to do with that but yeah
do you remember anything else as far as

1710
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:06,559
do you remember anything else as far as
 

1711
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,149
do you remember anything else as far as
around that time that um that's worth

1712
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:10,159
around that time that um that's worth
 

1713
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,389
around that time that um that's worth
noting cuz that's what I remember mostly

1714
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:12,399
noting cuz that's what I remember mostly
 

1715
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:13,750
noting cuz that's what I remember mostly
like I was talking to you and I was

1716
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:13,760
like I was talking to you and I was
 

1717
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,230
like I was talking to you and I was
talking to other people and I was just

1718
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:16,240
talking to other people and I was just
 

1719
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,470
talking to other people and I was just
absorbing everything and at the time we

1720
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:18,480
absorbing everything and at the time we
 

1721
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,669
absorbing everything and at the time we
thought someone else was going to do

1722
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:19,679
thought someone else was going to do
 

1723
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,750
thought someone else was going to do
this video too so that's why that's why

1724
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:21,760
this video too so that's why that's why
 

1725
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,669
this video too so that's why that's why
we're making this video now in March

1726
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:23,679
we're making this video now in March
 

1727
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:25,909
we're making this video now in March
when all this happened like fall of last

1728
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:25,919
when all this happened like fall of last
 

1729
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:27,590
when all this happened like fall of last
here. Yeah. I just remember it being

1730
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:27,600
here. Yeah. I just remember it being
 

1731
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,669
here. Yeah. I just remember it being
really hard and just a lot of stuff to

1732
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:29,679
really hard and just a lot of stuff to
 

1733
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,269
really hard and just a lot of stuff to
absorb. Yeah. And there was a lot of

1734
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:31,279
absorb. Yeah. And there was a lot of
 

1735
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,190
absorb. Yeah. And there was a lot of
[\h__\h] honestly on so many different

1736
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:33,200
[\h__\h] honestly on so many different
 

1737
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,909
[\h__\h] honestly on so many different
ends coming at you. Um which was like

1738
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:37,919
ends coming at you. Um which was like
 

1739
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,990
ends coming at you. Um which was like
half of my problem with all of it. It

1740
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:40,000
half of my problem with all of it. It
 

1741
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,590
half of my problem with all of it. It
was everybody was assuming that you had

1742
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:43,600
was everybody was assuming that you had
 

1743
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,870
was everybody was assuming that you had
already known of everything that she was

1744
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:46,880
already known of everything that she was
 

1745
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,190
already known of everything that she was
that Lily was accused of and were just

1746
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:49,200
that Lily was accused of and were just
 

1747
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,470
that Lily was accused of and were just
going, "No, I'm just going to ignore

1748
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:50,480
going, "No, I'm just going to ignore
 

1749
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,909
going, "No, I'm just going to ignore
this all." Like so many

1750
00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:52,919
this all." Like so many
 

1751
00:30:52,919 --> 00:30:55,590
this all." Like so many
people even to me sat there and went

1752
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:55,600
people even to me sat there and went
 

1753
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,909
people even to me sat there and went
well KP supported this by doing this and

1754
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:57,919
well KP supported this by doing this and
 

1755
00:30:57,919 --> 00:30:59,590
well KP supported this by doing this and
it's like in the reality of the

1756
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:59,600
it's like in the reality of the
 

1757
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,350
it's like in the reality of the
situation was you didn't even know that

1758
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:01,360
situation was you didn't even know that
 

1759
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,389
situation was you didn't even know that
was a thing because Lily does what she

1760
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:04,399
was a thing because Lily does what she
 

1761
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,990
was a thing because Lily does what she
does with manipulating people. Mhm. So

1762
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:08,000
does with manipulating people. Mhm. So
 

1763
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,389
does with manipulating people. Mhm. So
like I had I ended up myself fielding a

1764
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:10,399
like I had I ended up myself fielding a
 

1765
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:11,750
like I had I ended up myself fielding a
lot of [\h__\h] from people going,

1766
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,760
lot of [\h__\h] from people going,
 

1767
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,350
lot of [\h__\h] from people going,
"Well, KP platformed a predator." Yeah,

1768
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:15,360
"Well, KP platformed a predator." Yeah,
 

1769
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,430
"Well, KP platformed a predator." Yeah,
cuz she didn't know that she was

1770
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:17,440
cuz she didn't know that she was
 

1771
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,990
cuz she didn't know that she was
platforming a predator. That's not her

1772
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:20,000
platforming a predator. That's not her
 

1773
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,830
platforming a predator. That's not her
fault.

1774
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:21,840
fault.
 

1775
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,070
fault.
And then a whole bunch of other people

1776
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:24,080
And then a whole bunch of other people
 

1777
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,990
And then a whole bunch of other people
seem to think that you needed to all of

1778
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:26,000
seem to think that you needed to all of
 

1779
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,230
seem to think that you needed to all of
a sudden take this public stand of just

1780
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:28,240
a sudden take this public stand of just
 

1781
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,950
a sudden take this public stand of just
fighting my sister, which isn't like

1782
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:30,960
fighting my sister, which isn't like
 

1783
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,909
fighting my sister, which isn't like
it's not something anybody has to do.

1784
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:33,919
it's not something anybody has to do.
 

1785
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,269
it's not something anybody has to do.
Just because you have a platform

1786
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:35,279
Just because you have a platform
 

1787
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:36,789
Just because you have a platform
yourself doesn't mean you have to use

1788
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:36,799
yourself doesn't mean you have to use
 

1789
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,430
yourself doesn't mean you have to use
that to point out the wrongdoings of

1790
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:39,440
that to point out the wrongdoings of
 

1791
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,310
that to point out the wrongdoings of
somebody else. Yeah. And this is I mean

1792
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:42,320
somebody else. Yeah. And this is I mean
 

1793
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,070
somebody else. Yeah. And this is I mean
we're basically doing that, but I never

1794
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:44,080
we're basically doing that, but I never
 

1795
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,070
we're basically doing that, but I never
felt pressured from the community um

1796
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:46,080
felt pressured from the community um
 

1797
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,389
felt pressured from the community um
from the critical community, whatever,

1798
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:48,399
from the critical community, whatever,
 

1799
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,870
from the critical community, whatever,
to do something on my behalf. Like I'm

1800
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:50,880
to do something on my behalf. Like I'm
 

1801
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,509
to do something on my behalf. Like I'm
doing this because I want to because I'm

1802
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:53,519
doing this because I want to because I'm
 

1803
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,750
doing this because I want to because I'm
just tired of this [\h__\h] Frankly, I'm

1804
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:55,760
just tired of this [\h__\h] Frankly, I'm
 

1805
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,350
just tired of this [\h__\h] Frankly, I'm
tired of people just putting words in my

1806
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:57,360
tired of people just putting words in my
 

1807
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,590
tired of people just putting words in my
mouth. I'm tired of people, you know,

1808
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:59,600
mouth. I'm tired of people, you know,
 

1809
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,830
mouth. I'm tired of people, you know,
assuming that I was, again, I knew

1810
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:01,840
assuming that I was, again, I knew
 

1811
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,669
assuming that I was, again, I knew
things when I wasn't really paying

1812
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:03,679
things when I wasn't really paying
 

1813
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:05,590
things when I wasn't really paying
attention and I had other stuff going on

1814
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:05,600
attention and I had other stuff going on
 

1815
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,310
attention and I had other stuff going on
in my life. So, um, I appreciate you

1816
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:08,320
in my life. So, um, I appreciate you
 

1817
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,110
in my life. So, um, I appreciate you
guys for that. But, um, I mean, in all

1818
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:11,120
guys for that. But, um, I mean, in all
 

1819
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,950
guys for that. But, um, I mean, in all
honesty, if you were just choosing to

1820
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:12,960
honesty, if you were just choosing to
 

1821
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,630
honesty, if you were just choosing to
ignore everything, then you wouldn't

1822
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:14,640
ignore everything, then you wouldn't
 

1823
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,630
ignore everything, then you wouldn't
have bothered to even listen to my

1824
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:16,640
have bothered to even listen to my
 

1825
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,310
have bothered to even listen to my
testimony. Yeah. As soon as I realized

1826
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:18,320
testimony. Yeah. As soon as I realized
 

1827
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,549
testimony. Yeah. As soon as I realized
there was actual like crime going on or

1828
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:20,559
there was actual like crime going on or
 

1829
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,909
there was actual like crime going on or
like even before the fanfiction like um

1830
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:23,919
like even before the fanfiction like um
 

1831
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,310
like even before the fanfiction like um
I was like oh wait wait wait I'm because

1832
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:26,320
I was like oh wait wait wait I'm because
 

1833
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,710
I was like oh wait wait wait I'm because
I got hints that something was up like

1834
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:28,720
I got hints that something was up like
 

1835
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,269
I got hints that something was up like
people would know I associated with her

1836
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:31,279
people would know I associated with her
 

1837
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,269
people would know I associated with her
and just like well if it helps KP with

1838
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:33,279
and just like well if it helps KP with
 

1839
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,909
and just like well if it helps KP with
her trauma smiley face kind of so no one

1840
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:35,919
her trauma smiley face kind of so no one
 

1841
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:37,590
her trauma smiley face kind of so no one
told me directly even though people kind

1842
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:37,600
told me directly even though people kind
 

1843
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,430
told me directly even though people kind
of knew what was happening which is also

1844
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:39,440
of knew what was happening which is also
 

1845
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,750
of knew what was happening which is also
a little frustrating but I also get that

1846
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:41,760
a little frustrating but I also get that
 

1847
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,750
a little frustrating but I also get that
position of not wanting to tell your

1848
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:43,760
position of not wanting to tell your
 

1849
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,070
position of not wanting to tell your
friend that oh your other friend is

1850
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:46,080
friend that oh your other friend is
 

1851
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,190
friend that oh your other friend is
really icky.

1852
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:47,200
really icky.
 

1853
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,830
really icky.
It's a hard position to be in for sure.

1854
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:49,840
It's a hard position to be in for sure.
 

1855
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,269
It's a hard position to be in for sure.
So, and then um I remember demoting

1856
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:53,279
So, and then um I remember demoting
 

1857
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,430
So, and then um I remember demoting
Michaela from uh a mod status in the

1858
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:55,440
Michaela from uh a mod status in the
 

1859
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,750
Michaela from uh a mod status in the
server like as soon as I heard something

1860
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:57,760
server like as soon as I heard something
 

1861
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,310
server like as soon as I heard something
and yeah, she didn't even hear me out. I

1862
00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:00,320
and yeah, she didn't even hear me out. I
 

1863
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,029
and yeah, she didn't even hear me out. I
tried privately to reach out to

1864
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:03,039
tried privately to reach out to
 

1865
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,269
tried privately to reach out to
Michaela. I tried to talk to other

1866
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:05,279
Michaela. I tried to talk to other
 

1867
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,950
Michaela. I tried to talk to other
people about this. I tried to talk to

1868
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:06,960
people about this. I tried to talk to
 

1869
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,669
people about this. I tried to talk to
Sketchy about this. Um no one really

1870
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:09,679
Sketchy about this. Um no one really
 

1871
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:13,430
Sketchy about this. Um no one really
wanted to listen to me. So, um and

1872
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:13,440
wanted to listen to me. So, um and
 

1873
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,710
wanted to listen to me. So, um and
there's nothing really I can do about

1874
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:14,720
there's nothing really I can do about
 

1875
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,950
there's nothing really I can do about
that. I did try I wanted to try to help

1876
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:16,960
that. I did try I wanted to try to help
 

1877
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,470
that. I did try I wanted to try to help
let people know that this was a thing

1878
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:18,480
let people know that this was a thing
 

1879
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,830
let people know that this was a thing
because the red flag to me was really

1880
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:21,840
because the red flag to me was really
 

1881
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,669
because the red flag to me was really
wasn't willing to talk to you at all

1882
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:23,679
wasn't willing to talk to you at all
 

1883
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:26,310
wasn't willing to talk to you at all
even if I was going to be the mediator

1884
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:26,320
even if I was going to be the mediator
 

1885
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,070
even if I was going to be the mediator
which and I could tell she was lying

1886
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:28,080
which and I could tell she was lying
 

1887
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,509
which and I could tell she was lying
when she was talking to me cuz she just

1888
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:29,519
when she was talking to me cuz she just
 

1889
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,830
when she was talking to me cuz she just
had really sharp quick answers like but

1890
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:31,840
had really sharp quick answers like but
 

1891
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,509
had really sharp quick answers like but
yeah, you know that's why I think it's

1892
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:33,519
yeah, you know that's why I think it's
 

1893
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:34,789
yeah, you know that's why I think it's
true. True. I think Courtney is telling

1894
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:34,799
true. True. I think Courtney is telling
 

1895
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,029
true. True. I think Courtney is telling
the truth and you know if if someone was

1896
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:37,039
the truth and you know if if someone was
 

1897
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,029
the truth and you know if if someone was
really just like she she builds herself

1898
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:39,039
really just like she she builds herself
 

1899
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,990
really just like she she builds herself
as this big bad guy who can just beat up

1900
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:42,000
as this big bad guy who can just beat up
 

1901
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,669
as this big bad guy who can just beat up
her stalkers but or whatever she calls

1902
00:33:44,669 --> 00:33:44,679
her stalkers but or whatever she calls
 

1903
00:33:44,679 --> 00:33:47,110
her stalkers but or whatever she calls
them. But when push comes to shove if

1904
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:47,120
them. But when push comes to shove if
 

1905
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,430
them. But when push comes to shove if
people confront her with real truth then

1906
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:49,440
people confront her with real truth then
 

1907
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,269
people confront her with real truth then
she just kind of gets scared and plays

1908
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:51,279
she just kind of gets scared and plays
 

1909
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,590
she just kind of gets scared and plays
victim from what I've seen. She just

1910
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:53,600
victim from what I've seen. She just
 

1911
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,630
victim from what I've seen. She just
goes no you. No you. No you. You're

1912
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:56,640
goes no you. No you. No you. You're
 

1913
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,190
goes no you. No you. No you. You're
you're the slave owners K or you're the

1914
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:59,200
you're the slave owners K or you're the
 

1915
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,950
you're the slave owners K or you're the
slave owner KP. which um again all that

1916
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:02,960
slave owner KP. which um again all that
 

1917
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,029
slave owner KP. which um again all that
stuff got debunked a while ago and I

1918
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:05,039
stuff got debunked a while ago and I
 

1919
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:06,630
stuff got debunked a while ago and I
wish I didn't sit on this as long as I

1920
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:06,640
wish I didn't sit on this as long as I
 

1921
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,470
wish I didn't sit on this as long as I
did but there's nothing really to do

1922
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:08,480
did but there's nothing really to do
 

1923
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,869
did but there's nothing really to do
like that's just who she is and I think

1924
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:10,879
like that's just who she is and I think
 

1925
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,109
like that's just who she is and I think
it's slowly getting worse and worse as

1926
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:13,119
it's slowly getting worse and worse as
 

1927
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,950
it's slowly getting worse and worse as
as Courtney speaks out as more people

1928
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:14,960
as Courtney speaks out as more people
 

1929
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,589
as Courtney speaks out as more people
speak out regarding Lily. I think that's

1930
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:17,599
speak out regarding Lily. I think that's
 

1931
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:19,349
speak out regarding Lily. I think that's
been the curvature for a couple of years

1932
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:19,359
been the curvature for a couple of years
 

1933
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,109
been the curvature for a couple of years
at this point because more people just

1934
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:21,119
at this point because more people just
 

1935
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,230
at this point because more people just
say hey Lily bad. Lily dady bad and the

1936
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:24,240
say hey Lily bad. Lily dady bad and the
 

1937
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:25,669
say hey Lily bad. Lily dady bad and the
people who don't know are usually new

1938
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:25,679
people who don't know are usually new
 

1939
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,510
people who don't know are usually new
people to her channel from what I've

1940
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:27,520
people to her channel from what I've
 

1941
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,909
people to her channel from what I've
seen. Yeah, that's kind of the state of

1942
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:29,919
seen. Yeah, that's kind of the state of
 

1943
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,069
seen. Yeah, that's kind of the state of
what things are right now. Any other

1944
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:32,079
what things are right now. Any other
 

1945
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,950
what things are right now. Any other
closing comments, remarks? Yeah, just

1946
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:34,960
closing comments, remarks? Yeah, just
 

1947
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,950
closing comments, remarks? Yeah, just
that like the people who sat there and

1948
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:36,960
that like the people who sat there and
 

1949
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,510
that like the people who sat there and
went, "Oh, KP is not doing anything." KP

1950
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:39,520
went, "Oh, KP is not doing anything." KP
 

1951
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,109
went, "Oh, KP is not doing anything." KP
was trying to protect the trans people

1952
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:41,119
was trying to protect the trans people
 

1953
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,030
was trying to protect the trans people
in her community. Okay, play off.

1954
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:45,040
in her community. Okay, play off.
 

1955
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,629
in her community. Okay, play off.
I mean, I tried to and I think I

1956
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:46,639
I mean, I tried to and I think I
 

1957
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,270
I mean, I tried to and I think I
succeeded cuz there are a few people who

1958
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:49,280
succeeded cuz there are a few people who
 

1959
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,109
succeeded cuz there are a few people who
I mean, and that's that's a thing that I

1960
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:51,119
I mean, and that's that's a thing that I
 

1961
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,829
I mean, and that's that's a thing that I
noticed that people were willing to

1962
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:53,839
noticed that people were willing to
 

1963
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:57,990
noticed that people were willing to
believe Lily because she was trans. And,

1964
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:58,000
believe Lily because she was trans. And,
 

1965
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,390
believe Lily because she was trans. And,
you know, I'm all for trans rights and

1966
00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:00,400
you know, I'm all for trans rights and
 

1967
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,670
you know, I'm all for trans rights and
stuff like that, but you know, if

1968
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:01,680
stuff like that, but you know, if
 

1969
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,069
stuff like that, but you know, if
someone is objectively doing crime,

1970
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:04,079
someone is objectively doing crime,
 

1971
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:05,990
someone is objectively doing crime,
regardless of their gender identity or

1972
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:06,000
regardless of their gender identity or
 

1973
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,069
regardless of their gender identity or
their like if they're gay or whatever,

1974
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:08,079
their like if they're gay or whatever,
 

1975
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,310
their like if they're gay or whatever,
it that stuff doesn't matter if they're

1976
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:10,320
it that stuff doesn't matter if they're
 

1977
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,230
it that stuff doesn't matter if they're
just doing crimes and being a bad

1978
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:12,240
just doing crimes and being a bad
 

1979
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,870
just doing crimes and being a bad
person. So, like Lily being trans was

1980
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:14,880
person. So, like Lily being trans was
 

1981
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,550
person. So, like Lily being trans was
never a problem in my friendship with

1982
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:16,560
never a problem in my friendship with
 

1983
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,550
never a problem in my friendship with
her or Michaela cuz they're both trans.

1984
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:18,560
her or Michaela cuz they're both trans.
 

1985
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,630
her or Michaela cuz they're both trans.
I mean, trans, sis, gay, straight, those

1986
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:20,640
I mean, trans, sis, gay, straight, those
 

1987
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,829
I mean, trans, sis, gay, straight, those
are all adjectives. Who cares about

1988
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:22,839
are all adjectives. Who cares about
 

1989
00:35:22,839 --> 00:35:25,829
are all adjectives. Who cares about
adjectives? You know, coercion, lying,

1990
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:25,839
adjectives? You know, coercion, lying,
 

1991
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:28,470
adjectives? You know, coercion, lying,
molestation, rap, these are verbs. We

1992
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:28,480
molestation, rap, these are verbs. We
 

1993
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,630
molestation, rap, these are verbs. We
care more about the verbs. And that's

1994
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:30,640
care more about the verbs. And that's
 

1995
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,990
care more about the verbs. And that's
something that Lily tries to kind of

1996
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:32,000
something that Lily tries to kind of
 

1997
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,430
something that Lily tries to kind of
hide behind is like, well, you don't

1998
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:33,440
hide behind is like, well, you don't
 

1999
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,109
hide behind is like, well, you don't
like trans people. You're transphobic

2000
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:35,119
like trans people. You're transphobic
 

2001
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,310
like trans people. You're transphobic
because you don't like me. And I'm just

2002
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:36,320
because you don't like me. And I'm just
 

2003
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,950
because you don't like me. And I'm just
like, no. Like, that's essentially like

2004
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:38,960
like, no. Like, that's essentially like
 

2005
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,550
like, no. Like, that's essentially like
me calling someone a Nazi every time

2006
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:40,560
me calling someone a Nazi every time
 

2007
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,069
me calling someone a Nazi every time
they don't like me. And I'm just like,

2008
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:42,079
they don't like me. And I'm just like,
 

2009
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,630
they don't like me. And I'm just like,
"Oh, Lily does that, too, though." But

2010
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:44,640
"Oh, Lily does that, too, though." But
 

2011
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,710
"Oh, Lily does that, too, though." But
she can't do that. She's not Jewish.

2012
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:46,720
she can't do that. She's not Jewish.
 

2013
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,270
she can't do that. She's not Jewish.
Like, she's also not claimed by any

2014
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:49,280
Like, she's also not claimed by any
 

2015
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,990
Like, she's also not claimed by any
nation, but claims she's native.

2016
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:52,000
nation, but claims she's native.
 

2017
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,109
nation, but claims she's native.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

2018
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:55,119
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
 

2019
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,349
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Talks about being a Cherokee princess

2020
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:57,359
Talks about being a Cherokee princess
 

2021
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,470
Talks about being a Cherokee princess
when Hank wasn't even Cherokee. Yep,

2022
00:36:00,470 --> 00:36:00,480
when Hank wasn't even Cherokee. Yep,
 

2023
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,150
when Hank wasn't even Cherokee. Yep,
you're you're right. You're you're

2024
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:02,160
you're you're right. You're you're
 

2025
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,990
you're you're right. You're you're
right. Yeah. So, everything's

2026
00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:05,000
right. Yeah. So, everything's
 

2027
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,589
right. Yeah. So, everything's
horrible. Lastly, I invited Britney,

2028
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:07,599
horrible. Lastly, I invited Britney,
 

2029
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,349
horrible. Lastly, I invited Britney,
Lily's first online victim, to speak

2030
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:09,359
Lily's first online victim, to speak
 

2031
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,430
Lily's first online victim, to speak
about her experiences. This is that

2032
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:11,440
about her experiences. This is that
 

2033
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,069
about her experiences. This is that
conversation. Hello. Hello. Hi.

2034
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:16,079
conversation. Hello. Hello. Hi.
 

2035
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,550
conversation. Hello. Hello. Hi.
What's up? Yeah. Don't be nervous.

2036
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:18,560
What's up? Yeah. Don't be nervous.
 

2037
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,550
What's up? Yeah. Don't be nervous.
Okay. I haven't heard this like this

2038
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:20,560
Okay. I haven't heard this like this
 

2039
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,230
Okay. I haven't heard this like this
whole story at all. I just know bits

2040
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:22,240
whole story at all. I just know bits
 

2041
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,109
whole story at all. I just know bits
like I told you. So, this should be

2042
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:24,119
like I told you. So, this should be
 

2043
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,710
like I told you. So, this should be
entertaining hopefully.

2044
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:26,720
entertaining hopefully.
 

2045
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,390
entertaining hopefully.
Yeah. Talking about this is kind of

2046
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:28,400
Yeah. Talking about this is kind of
 

2047
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,109
Yeah. Talking about this is kind of
rough and difficult cuz there was just

2048
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:31,119
rough and difficult cuz there was just
 

2049
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,870
rough and difficult cuz there was just
so much going on at the time. Mhm. A lot

2050
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:34,880
so much going on at the time. Mhm. A lot
 

2051
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,510
so much going on at the time. Mhm. A lot
of it I didn't find out until after I

2052
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:37,520
of it I didn't find out until after I
 

2053
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,510
of it I didn't find out until after I
had like we had had our falling out.

2054
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:39,520
had like we had had our falling out.
 

2055
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,589
had like we had had our falling out.
Mhm. Okay, let me let me do like an

2056
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:41,599
Mhm. Okay, let me let me do like an
 

2057
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,870
Mhm. Okay, let me let me do like an
intro first. Okay, so with me I have

2058
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:44,880
intro first. Okay, so with me I have
 

2059
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,589
intro first. Okay, so with me I have
Brit who um identifies as Lily's first

2060
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:47,599
Brit who um identifies as Lily's first
 

2061
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,190
Brit who um identifies as Lily's first
online victim. Correct. Yep. Yep. That

2062
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:51,200
online victim. Correct. Yep. Yep. That
 

2063
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,069
online victim. Correct. Yep. Yep. That
that we know of. So, uh Brit and I met

2064
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:54,079
that we know of. So, uh Brit and I met
 

2065
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,630
that we know of. So, uh Brit and I met
like the first night or one of the first

2066
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:56,640
like the first night or one of the first
 

2067
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,790
like the first night or one of the first
nights back in I think August or

2068
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:58,800
nights back in I think August or
 

2069
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,109
nights back in I think August or
September when I was like what's going

2070
00:37:01,109 --> 00:37:01,119
September when I was like what's going
 

2071
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,470
September when I was like what's going
on? Lily's bad. Lily's this bad. and she

2072
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:04,480
on? Lily's bad. Lily's this bad. and she
 

2073
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,870
on? Lily's bad. Lily's this bad. and she
was like in the call and out and um I

2074
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:06,880
was like in the call and out and um I
 

2075
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,470
was like in the call and out and um I
didn't really know who she is because I

2076
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:08,480
didn't really know who she is because I
 

2077
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,150
didn't really know who she is because I
don't really there's a whole Lily

2078
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:10,160
don't really there's a whole Lily
 

2079
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,589
don't really there's a whole Lily
critical sphere thing that I didn't know

2080
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:13,599
critical sphere thing that I didn't know
 

2081
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,069
critical sphere thing that I didn't know
existed until all of that happened. So,

2082
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:16,079
existed until all of that happened. So,
 

2083
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,310
existed until all of that happened. So,
hi Brit, how are you doing? Oh, like I

2084
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:18,320
hi Brit, how are you doing? Oh, like I
 

2085
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,910
hi Brit, how are you doing? Oh, like I
said, ready as I'll ever be. Okay, so um

2086
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:21,920
said, ready as I'll ever be. Okay, so um
 

2087
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,150
said, ready as I'll ever be. Okay, so um
I haven't heard this story um in its

2088
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:24,160
I haven't heard this story um in its
 

2089
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,510
I haven't heard this story um in its
entirety. Um I just know it exists and I

2090
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:27,520
entirety. Um I just know it exists and I
 

2091
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,109
entirety. Um I just know it exists and I
believe it's a lot of Willie wanted to

2092
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:29,119
believe it's a lot of Willie wanted to
 

2093
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,190
believe it's a lot of Willie wanted to
date you and use sock puppets and stuff

2094
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:31,200
date you and use sock puppets and stuff
 

2095
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,589
date you and use sock puppets and stuff
to try to bait you. Was that generally

2096
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:33,599
to try to bait you. Was that generally
 

2097
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,910
to try to bait you. Was that generally
it? Yeah. Yeah. In a nutshell, that was

2098
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:35,920
it? Yeah. Yeah. In a nutshell, that was
 

2099
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,109
it? Yeah. Yeah. In a nutshell, that was
it. Okay. So, the floor is yours. How

2100
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:39,119
it. Okay. So, the floor is yours. How
 

2101
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,430
it. Okay. So, the floor is yours. How
did you guys start meeting and talking?

2102
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:41,440
did you guys start meeting and talking?
 

2103
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,069
did you guys start meeting and talking?
So, I met Lily in

2104
00:37:45,069 --> 00:37:45,079
So, I met Lily in
 

2105
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,109
So, I met Lily in
2010 back when she had a a different

2106
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:49,119
2010 back when she had a a different
 

2107
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,589
2010 back when she had a a different
YouTube series called Rather Vocalized

2108
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:51,599
YouTube series called Rather Vocalized
 

2109
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,510
YouTube series called Rather Vocalized
Illusion. At the time, she was going by

2110
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:53,520
Illusion. At the time, she was going by
 

2111
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,910
Illusion. At the time, she was going by
Ball Spawn and she was in mask mode. So,

2112
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:57,920
Ball Spawn and she was in mask mode. So,
 

2113
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,310
Ball Spawn and she was in mask mode. So,
at the time, she was identifying as a

2114
00:38:00,310 --> 00:38:00,320
at the time, she was identifying as a
 

2115
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,790
at the time, she was identifying as a
cisgender man. Mhm. Her uh web series

2116
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:04,800
cisgender man. Mhm. Her uh web series
 

2117
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,430
cisgender man. Mhm. Her uh web series
pretty much ripped off zero punctuation.

2118
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:07,440
pretty much ripped off zero punctuation.
 

2119
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,030
pretty much ripped off zero punctuation.
Like she didn't talk about video games.

2120
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:09,040
Like she didn't talk about video games.
 

2121
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,069
Like she didn't talk about video games.
It was more social commentary. I came

2122
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:12,079
It was more social commentary. I came
 

2123
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,550
It was more social commentary. I came
across her a video that she did about

2124
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:14,560
across her a video that she did about
 

2125
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,950
across her a video that she did about
the lavender tone tone syndrome, which

2126
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:16,960
the lavender tone tone syndrome, which
 

2127
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,990
the lavender tone tone syndrome, which
was a big thing in the creepy pasta

2128
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:20,000
was a big thing in the creepy pasta
 

2129
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,550
was a big thing in the creepy pasta
spheres back then. And I ended up

2130
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:22,560
spheres back then. And I ended up
 

2131
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,150
spheres back then. And I ended up
sending her a private message on YouTube

2132
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:26,160
sending her a private message on YouTube
 

2133
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,069
sending her a private message on YouTube
cuz that was before YouTube got bought

2134
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:28,079
cuz that was before YouTube got bought
 

2135
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,990
cuz that was before YouTube got bought
by Google. So they had their own private

2136
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:30,000
by Google. So they had their own private
 

2137
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,790
by Google. So they had their own private
message system. sent her a message. She

2138
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:32,800
message system. sent her a message. She
 

2139
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,589
message system. sent her a message. She
responded and it started out with me

2140
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:35,599
responded and it started out with me
 

2141
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,630
responded and it started out with me
wanting to like suggesting a video

2142
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:38,640
wanting to like suggesting a video
 

2143
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,630
wanting to like suggesting a video
topic. We ended up talking back and

2144
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:40,640
topic. We ended up talking back and
 

2145
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,430
topic. We ended up talking back and
forth and moving to Skype. I don't have

2146
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:43,440
forth and moving to Skype. I don't have
 

2147
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,349
forth and moving to Skype. I don't have
access to a lot of our earliest

2148
00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:46,359
access to a lot of our earliest
 

2149
00:38:46,359 --> 00:38:48,310
access to a lot of our earliest
conversations because they were on an

2150
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:48,320
conversations because they were on an
 

2151
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,950
conversations because they were on an
old laptop of mine and how Skype worked

2152
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:50,960
old laptop of mine and how Skype worked
 

2153
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,990
old laptop of mine and how Skype worked
is if you didn't have the original

2154
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:54,000
is if you didn't have the original
 

2155
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,750
is if you didn't have the original
computer that you had the conversations

2156
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:55,760
computer that you had the conversations
 

2157
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,910
computer that you had the conversations
on, then they were just lost to time.

2158
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:57,920
on, then they were just lost to time.
 

2159
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,069
on, then they were just lost to time.
Mhm. So the conversations I have in my

2160
00:39:00,069 --> 00:39:00,079
Mhm. So the conversations I have in my
 

2161
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,510
Mhm. So the conversations I have in my
chat logs consist of the conversations

2162
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:03,520
chat logs consist of the conversations
 

2163
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,990
chat logs consist of the conversations
from the laptop that I had after that

2164
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:06,000
from the laptop that I had after that
 

2165
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,990
from the laptop that I had after that
and the Terra Cali logs which were from

2166
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:10,000
and the Terra Cali logs which were from
 

2167
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,630
and the Terra Cali logs which were from
2013. I was able to access those because

2168
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:12,640
2013. I was able to access those because
 

2169
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,270
2013. I was able to access those because
they were on Facebook. So pretty much

2170
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:15,280
they were on Facebook. So pretty much
 

2171
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,990
they were on Facebook. So pretty much
the majority of our quote unquote

2172
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:18,000
the majority of our quote unquote
 

2173
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,510
the majority of our quote unquote
friendship was Lily desperately trying

2174
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:21,520
friendship was Lily desperately trying
 

2175
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,030
friendship was Lily desperately trying
to get me into a sexual relationship

2176
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:25,040
to get me into a sexual relationship
 

2177
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,589
to get me into a sexual relationship
with her. Mhm. She made it very clear

2178
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:27,599
with her. Mhm. She made it very clear
 

2179
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,349
with her. Mhm. She made it very clear
that she had a crush on me. And I

2180
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:31,359
that she had a crush on me. And I
 

2181
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:34,470
that she had a crush on me. And I
repeatedly made it very clear that I was

2182
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:34,480
repeatedly made it very clear that I was
 

2183
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,230
repeatedly made it very clear that I was
a lesbian. I wasn't into her like

2184
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:37,240
a lesbian. I wasn't into her like
 

2185
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,710
a lesbian. I wasn't into her like
that. But at the time,

2186
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:39,720
that. But at the time,
 

2187
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:44,870
that. But at the time,
I also felt very bad about it cuz I was

2188
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:44,880
I also felt very bad about it cuz I was
 

2189
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,870
I also felt very bad about it cuz I was
not in the best headsp space at the

2190
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:46,880
not in the best headsp space at the
 

2191
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,109
not in the best headsp space at the
time. You felt bad for letting her down.

2192
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:49,119
time. You felt bad for letting her down.
 

2193
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,230
time. You felt bad for letting her down.
Yeah, basically. cuz I was I met her at

2194
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:51,240
Yeah, basically. cuz I was I met her at
 

2195
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,030
Yeah, basically. cuz I was I met her at
17, turned 18 shortly after that, and we

2196
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:55,040
17, turned 18 shortly after that, and we
 

2197
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,510
17, turned 18 shortly after that, and we
knew each other up until I was like 19

2198
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:57,520
knew each other up until I was like 19
 

2199
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,310
knew each other up until I was like 19
or 20. Mhm. And like what was it like to

2200
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:02,320
or 20. Mhm. And like what was it like to
 

2201
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,630
or 20. Mhm. And like what was it like to
have that initial correspondence?

2202
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:04,640
have that initial correspondence?
 

2203
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,109
have that initial correspondence?
Because I know like me being a YouTuber,

2204
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:07,119
Because I know like me being a YouTuber,
 

2205
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,950
Because I know like me being a YouTuber,
I don't have time to respond to everyone

2206
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:08,960
I don't have time to respond to everyone
 

2207
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,430
I don't have time to respond to everyone
ever. So I imagine like when people

2208
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:11,440
ever. So I imagine like when people
 

2209
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,670
ever. So I imagine like when people
start DMing a YouTuber that they admire,

2210
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:13,680
start DMing a YouTuber that they admire,
 

2211
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,510
start DMing a YouTuber that they admire,
it's like a really big deal. Is that

2212
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:15,520
it's like a really big deal. Is that
 

2213
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,349
it's like a really big deal. Is that
kind of how it felt? I mean, kind of

2214
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:17,359
kind of how it felt? I mean, kind of
 

2215
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:19,990
kind of how it felt? I mean, kind of
sort of. At the time she was very small,

2216
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:20,000
sort of. At the time she was very small,
 

2217
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,470
sort of. At the time she was very small,
like she didn't really have an audience

2218
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:22,480
like she didn't really have an audience
 

2219
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,910
like she didn't really have an audience
or a following. It was when she was

2220
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:24,920
or a following. It was when she was
 

2221
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,270
or a following. It was when she was
first getting her YouTube channel off

2222
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:27,280
first getting her YouTube channel off
 

2223
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,990
first getting her YouTube channel off
the ground. Mhm. So, there was a little

2224
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:30,000
the ground. Mhm. So, there was a little
 

2225
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,710
the ground. Mhm. So, there was a little
bit of that cuz I did admire her and I

2226
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:32,720
bit of that cuz I did admire her and I
 

2227
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,550
bit of that cuz I did admire her and I
thought she was funny at the time.

2228
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:34,560
thought she was funny at the time.
 

2229
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,589
thought she was funny at the time.
Hindsight's 2020. But like the whole

2230
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:37,599
Hindsight's 2020. But like the whole
 

2231
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:39,109
Hindsight's 2020. But like the whole
reason I felt comfortable enough to

2232
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:39,119
reason I felt comfortable enough to
 

2233
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,630
reason I felt comfortable enough to
message her in the first place was

2234
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:40,640
message her in the first place was
 

2235
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,990
message her in the first place was
because she was smaller. So,

2236
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:44,000
because she was smaller. So,
 

2237
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,310
because she was smaller. So,
there wasn't as much of that star struck

2238
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:46,320
there wasn't as much of that star struck
 

2239
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,710
there wasn't as much of that star struck
going on. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to I

2240
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:48,720
going on. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to I
 

2241
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,390
going on. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to I
was just curious where you were in that

2242
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:50,400
was just curious where you were in that
 

2243
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,470
was just curious where you were in that
um on that sphere, but yeah, continue.

2244
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:52,480
um on that sphere, but yeah, continue.
 

2245
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,990
um on that sphere, but yeah, continue.
Um you guys were talking over Skype.

2246
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:56,000
Um you guys were talking over Skype.
 

2247
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,390
Um you guys were talking over Skype.
Yeah, like I said, it's hard to keep

2248
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:58,400
Yeah, like I said, it's hard to keep
 

2249
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,630
Yeah, like I said, it's hard to keep
this stuff straight cuz it's I was going

2250
00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:00,640
this stuff straight cuz it's I was going
 

2251
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,309
this stuff straight cuz it's I was going
through some [\h__\h] at the time. Mhm. So,

2252
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:04,319
through some [\h__\h] at the time. Mhm. So,
 

2253
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:08,150
through some [\h__\h] at the time. Mhm. So,
Lily got me at a very vulnerable time in

2254
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:08,160
Lily got me at a very vulnerable time in
 

2255
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,990
Lily got me at a very vulnerable time in
my life. My home situation was not good

2256
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:12,000
my life. My home situation was not good
 

2257
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,950
my life. My home situation was not good
to say the least. Uh, I'd gone through

2258
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:14,960
to say the least. Uh, I'd gone through
 

2259
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,790
to say the least. Uh, I'd gone through
some very dark circumstances and I'd

2260
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:18,800
some very dark circumstances and I'd
 

2261
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,109
some very dark circumstances and I'd
been let down by the justice system and

2262
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:21,119
been let down by the justice system and
 

2263
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:24,990
been let down by the justice system and
let down by my family over it. So,

2264
00:41:24,990 --> 00:41:25,000
let down by my family over it. So,
 

2265
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,190
let down by my family over it. So,
she used that to her advantage a lot.

2266
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:29,200
she used that to her advantage a lot.
 

2267
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,990
she used that to her advantage a lot.
I'm a recovering fawner and at the time

2268
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:32,000
I'm a recovering fawner and at the time
 

2269
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,990
I'm a recovering fawner and at the time
I had no idea what that was. So, she was

2270
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:36,000
I had no idea what that was. So, she was
 

2271
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,150
I had no idea what that was. So, she was
able to get in my head a lot and make me

2272
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:39,160
able to get in my head a lot and make me
 

2273
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:44,150
able to get in my head a lot and make me
feel extremely guilty for not returning

2274
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:44,160
feel extremely guilty for not returning
 

2275
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,270
feel extremely guilty for not returning
these feelings that she had for me. Mhm.

2276
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:47,280
these feelings that she had for me. Mhm.
 

2277
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,589
these feelings that she had for me. Mhm.
Can you give an example? It's Yeah, it's

2278
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:49,599
Can you give an example? It's Yeah, it's
 

2279
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,230
Can you give an example? It's Yeah, it's
hard to give a specific example for

2280
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:52,240
hard to give a specific example for
 

2281
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,630
hard to give a specific example for
that. Like, a lot of it is in my chat

2282
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:54,640
that. Like, a lot of it is in my chat
 

2283
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,589
that. Like, a lot of it is in my chat
logs. It was just a constant or near

2284
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:57,599
logs. It was just a constant or near
 

2285
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,230
logs. It was just a constant or near
constant

2286
00:41:59,230 --> 00:41:59,240
constant
 

2287
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,470
constant
her trying to roleplay like being

2288
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:02,480
her trying to roleplay like being
 

2289
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,910
her trying to roleplay like being
physically affectionate with me and her

2290
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:05,920
physically affectionate with me and her
 

2291
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,550
physically affectionate with me and her
using the Terra Cali sock puppet to try

2292
00:42:09,550 --> 00:42:09,560
using the Terra Cali sock puppet to try
 

2293
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,150
using the Terra Cali sock puppet to try
and manipulate and coers me into it. She

2294
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:14,160
and manipulate and coers me into it. She
 

2295
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,550
and manipulate and coers me into it. She
would sometimes she would try to frame

2296
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:16,560
would sometimes she would try to frame
 

2297
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,230
would sometimes she would try to frame
it as, oh, you should send Lily this as

2298
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:20,240
it as, oh, you should send Lily this as
 

2299
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,069
it as, oh, you should send Lily this as
a

2300
00:42:21,069 --> 00:42:21,079
a
 

2301
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,870
a
joke. At one point, she claimed to set

2302
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:24,880
joke. At one point, she claimed to set
 

2303
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,829
joke. At one point, she claimed to set
up a fundraiser for me when I was going

2304
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:27,839
up a fundraiser for me when I was going
 

2305
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:29,750
up a fundraiser for me when I was going
through some difficult housing

2306
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:29,760
through some difficult housing
 

2307
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,349
through some difficult housing
situations.

2308
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:31,359
situations.
 

2309
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:34,030
situations.
Mhm. She tried

2310
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:34,040
Mhm. She tried
 

2311
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,270
Mhm. She tried
to basically convince me that I should

2312
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:38,280
to basically convince me that I should
 

2313
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,349
to basically convince me that I should
have been sexual with her to show her

2314
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:41,359
have been sexual with her to show her
 

2315
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:44,550
have been sexual with her to show her
gratitude for that.

2316
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:44,560
gratitude for that.
 

2317
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,550
gratitude for that.
At one point, she even went as far as to

2318
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:48,560
At one point, she even went as far as to
 

2319
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,270
At one point, she even went as far as to
try and reveal herself on a video call

2320
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:51,280
try and reveal herself on a video call
 

2321
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,349
try and reveal herself on a video call
with me, and she framed it as trying to

2322
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:55,359
with me, and she framed it as trying to
 

2323
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,910
with me, and she framed it as trying to
help me get over my fear of

2324
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:58,920
help me get over my fear of
 

2325
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,309
help me get over my fear of
men in relation to the abuse that I had

2326
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:02,319
men in relation to the abuse that I had
 

2327
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:05,349
men in relation to the abuse that I had
been through. Mhm. So there was pretty

2328
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:05,359
been through. Mhm. So there was pretty
 

2329
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:09,349
been through. Mhm. So there was pretty
much no low that she didn't sink to in

2330
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:09,359
much no low that she didn't sink to in
 

2331
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:12,630
much no low that she didn't sink to in
trying to convince and coers me into

2332
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:12,640
trying to convince and coers me into
 

2333
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,550
trying to convince and coers me into
being sexual with her. And I did end up

2334
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:16,560
being sexual with her. And I did end up
 

2335
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,430
being sexual with her. And I did end up
capitulating a few

2336
00:43:18,430 --> 00:43:18,440
capitulating a few
 

2337
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,109
capitulating a few
times just because I I felt bad and I

2338
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:23,119
times just because I I felt bad and I
 

2339
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,270
times just because I I felt bad and I
was questioning my own sexuality at that

2340
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:25,280
was questioning my own sexuality at that
 

2341
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,790
was questioning my own sexuality at that
point.

2342
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:26,800
point.
 

2343
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,750
point.
She was really digging into that. It's

2344
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:29,760
She was really digging into that. It's
 

2345
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,870
She was really digging into that. It's
like any vulnerability that she knew

2346
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:32,880
like any vulnerability that she knew
 

2347
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,309
like any vulnerability that she knew
about, which she knew about a lot of

2348
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:34,319
about, which she knew about a lot of
 

2349
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:37,390
about, which she knew about a lot of
them because I was naive and I trusted

2350
00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:37,400
them because I was naive and I trusted
 

2351
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,190
them because I was naive and I trusted
her, she would exploit. Um, so you

2352
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:41,200
her, she would exploit. Um, so you
 

2353
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,270
her, she would exploit. Um, so you
mentioned that Terra Cali, so can you

2354
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:43,280
mentioned that Terra Cali, so can you
 

2355
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,150
mentioned that Terra Cali, so can you
tell people what that is? Lily claimed

2356
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:46,160
tell people what that is? Lily claimed
 

2357
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,910
tell people what that is? Lily claimed
that Tara Cali was a friend of hers that

2358
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:49,920
that Tara Cali was a friend of hers that
 

2359
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,510
that Tara Cali was a friend of hers that
lived in her neighborhood and that she

2360
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:53,520
lived in her neighborhood and that she
 

2361
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,349
lived in her neighborhood and that she
directed and helped with some of the

2362
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:55,359
directed and helped with some of the
 

2363
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,670
directed and helped with some of the
production of her earlier videos. She

2364
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:57,680
production of her earlier videos. She
 

2365
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,230
production of her earlier videos. She
was even shown in the credits of some of

2366
00:44:00,230 --> 00:44:00,240
was even shown in the credits of some of
 

2367
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,230
was even shown in the credits of some of
those earlier videos. Around

2368
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:03,240
those earlier videos. Around
 

2369
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,309
those earlier videos. Around
2013, there was a Facebook account made

2370
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:06,319
2013, there was a Facebook account made
 

2371
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:09,829
2013, there was a Facebook account made
for her that she started messaging me

2372
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:09,839
for her that she started messaging me
 

2373
00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:13,270
for her that she started messaging me
from, which was again mostly as a means

2374
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:13,280
from, which was again mostly as a means
 

2375
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,510
from, which was again mostly as a means
for Lily

2376
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:14,520
for Lily
 

2377
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,790
for Lily
to vent her more sick and twisted

2378
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:18,800
to vent her more sick and twisted
 

2379
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,750
to vent her more sick and twisted
fetishes and fantasies and all sorts of

2380
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:21,760
fetishes and fantasies and all sorts of
 

2381
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,910
fetishes and fantasies and all sorts of
disgusting crap while not not having it

2382
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:25,920
disgusting crap while not not having it
 

2383
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,069
disgusting crap while not not having it
technically be tied to her name. Uh,

2384
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:28,079
technically be tied to her name. Uh,
 

2385
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,910
technically be tied to her name. Uh,
Terra Cali didn't exist. It took me a

2386
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:31,920
Terra Cali didn't exist. It took me a
 

2387
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,829
Terra Cali didn't exist. It took me a
while to figure that out. She had her

2388
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:33,839
while to figure that out. She had her
 

2389
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,630
while to figure that out. She had her
own Tumblr account, which is still up.

2390
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:36,640
own Tumblr account, which is still up.
 

2391
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,309
own Tumblr account, which is still up.
Uh toward the end of mine and Lily and

2392
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:40,319
Uh toward the end of mine and Lily and
 

2393
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,790
Uh toward the end of mine and Lily and
quote unquote Tara's interactions, I had

2394
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:43,800
quote unquote Tara's interactions, I had
 

2395
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,309
quote unquote Tara's interactions, I had
started doubting that Terra

2396
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:47,319
started doubting that Terra
 

2397
00:44:47,319 --> 00:44:50,710
started doubting that Terra
existed. Because I tried on numerous

2398
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:50,720
existed. Because I tried on numerous
 

2399
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,190
existed. Because I tried on numerous
occasions to get any sort of solid proof

2400
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:53,200
occasions to get any sort of solid proof
 

2401
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,390
occasions to get any sort of solid proof
of her existence. I never heard her

2402
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:55,400
of her existence. I never heard her
 

2403
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,790
of her existence. I never heard her
voice. I never saw her on video. There

2404
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:58,800
voice. I never saw her on video. There
 

2405
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,390
voice. I never saw her on video. There
was only one picture associated with her

2406
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:02,400
was only one picture associated with her
 

2407
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,349
was only one picture associated with her
which is fake. What was the moment where

2408
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:05,359
which is fake. What was the moment where
 

2409
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:08,630
which is fake. What was the moment where
you realized it was um it was Lily? It

2410
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:08,640
you realized it was um it was Lily? It
 

2411
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,910
you realized it was um it was Lily? It
was sort of a gradual thing. It was just

2412
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:11,920
was sort of a gradual thing. It was just
 

2413
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,750
was sort of a gradual thing. It was just
a combination of the strange excuses

2414
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:15,760
a combination of the strange excuses
 

2415
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,589
a combination of the strange excuses
that she would have every time I would

2416
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:17,599
that she would have every time I would
 

2417
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,710
that she would have every time I would
try to get her to either come on voice

2418
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:20,720
try to get her to either come on voice
 

2419
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,990
try to get her to either come on voice
or send a voice message

2420
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:23,000
or send a voice message
 

2421
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,750
or send a voice message
or send a photo or do anything that

2422
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:25,760
or send a photo or do anything that
 

2423
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,630
or send a photo or do anything that
would have proven her existence. It was

2424
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:27,640
would have proven her existence. It was
 

2425
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,109
would have proven her existence. It was
always, "Oh, I can't go on voice because

2426
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:31,119
always, "Oh, I can't go on voice because
 

2427
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,270
always, "Oh, I can't go on voice because
people might record me and I'll end up

2428
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:33,280
people might record me and I'll end up
 

2429
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,230
people might record me and I'll end up
with creepers in my inbox." Or, "Oh, I

2430
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:36,240
with creepers in my inbox." Or, "Oh, I
 

2431
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,230
with creepers in my inbox." Or, "Oh, I
can't get on voice because I have a

2432
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:38,240
can't get on voice because I have a
 

2433
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,470
can't get on voice because I have a
vocal cord injury and my voice is too

2434
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:40,480
vocal cord injury and my voice is too
 

2435
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,510
vocal cord injury and my voice is too
harsh to pick up on a mic. I can't come

2436
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:43,520
harsh to pick up on a mic. I can't come
 

2437
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,910
harsh to pick up on a mic. I can't come
on cam because of creepy people. I can't

2438
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:45,920
on cam because of creepy people. I can't
 

2439
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,910
on cam because of creepy people. I can't
come on cam because of this or that." It

2440
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:47,920
come on cam because of this or that." It
 

2441
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,829
come on cam because of this or that." It
was always something and it was just

2442
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:51,839
was always something and it was just
 

2443
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:55,430
was always something and it was just
very hard catfisher vibes. Oh, yeah.

2444
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:55,440
very hard catfisher vibes. Oh, yeah.
 

2445
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,910
very hard catfisher vibes. Oh, yeah.
That sounds like it. It sounds like she

2446
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:57,920
That sounds like it. It sounds like she
 

2447
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,829
That sounds like it. It sounds like she
like, you know, she wanted to put extra

2448
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:01,839
like, you know, she wanted to put extra
 

2449
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:04,790
like, you know, she wanted to put extra
pressure on you to get what she wanted.

2450
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:04,800
pressure on you to get what she wanted.
 

2451
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,950
pressure on you to get what she wanted.
Is this about around the same time where

2452
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:06,960
Is this about around the same time where
 

2453
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,470
Is this about around the same time where
she told people she was beating up

2454
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:08,480
she told people she was beating up
 

2455
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,030
she told people she was beating up
Courtney and stuff? If I remember

2456
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:11,040
Courtney and stuff? If I remember
 

2457
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,910
Courtney and stuff? If I remember
correctly, that would come up randomly

2458
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:13,920
correctly, that would come up randomly
 

2459
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,430
correctly, that would come up randomly
pretty much throughout the entirety of

2460
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:15,440
pretty much throughout the entirety of
 

2461
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,910
pretty much throughout the entirety of
her online existence. She would make

2462
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:17,920
her online existence. She would make
 

2463
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,470
her online existence. She would make
references to her family about how her

2464
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:20,480
references to her family about how her
 

2465
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,150
references to her family about how her
parents suck, how she'd get into fights

2466
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:22,160
parents suck, how she'd get into fights
 

2467
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,150
parents suck, how she'd get into fights
with her dad, how she'd get into fights

2468
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:24,160
with her dad, how she'd get into fights
 

2469
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,150
with her dad, how she'd get into fights
with Courtney, just all sorts of [\h__\h] I

2470
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:28,160
with Courtney, just all sorts of [\h__\h] I
 

2471
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,750
with Courtney, just all sorts of [\h__\h] I
gotcha. I gotcha. So, what was the point

2472
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:31,760
gotcha. I gotcha. So, what was the point
 

2473
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,150
gotcha. I gotcha. So, what was the point
where you realized that she was no good?

2474
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:34,160
where you realized that she was no good?
 

2475
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,950
where you realized that she was no good?
And like what was the fallout? This is

2476
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,960
And like what was the fallout? This is
 

2477
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,470
And like what was the fallout? This is
something I've wanted to clear up for a

2478
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:38,480
something I've wanted to clear up for a
 

2479
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,270
something I've wanted to clear up for a
while because a lot of people that know

2480
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:41,280
while because a lot of people that know
 

2481
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,150
while because a lot of people that know
kind of about this think our falling out

2482
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:44,160
kind of about this think our falling out
 

2483
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,030
kind of about this think our falling out
was over World of Warcraft. That's not

2484
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:47,040
was over World of Warcraft. That's not
 

2485
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,069
was over World of Warcraft. That's not
anti that's not like the full story.

2486
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:50,079
anti that's not like the full story.
 

2487
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,470
anti that's not like the full story.
Like that was the catalyst and the

2488
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:52,480
Like that was the catalyst and the
 

2489
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,109
Like that was the catalyst and the
excuse that she

2490
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:54,119
excuse that she
 

2491
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,589
excuse that she
used, but it was building up for a while

2492
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:57,599
used, but it was building up for a while
 

2493
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,870
used, but it was building up for a while
prior to that. Mhm. She started becoming

2494
00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:01,880
prior to that. Mhm. She started becoming
 

2495
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,630
prior to that. Mhm. She started becoming
very like she'd always gone through

2496
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:04,640
very like she'd always gone through
 

2497
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,790
very like she'd always gone through
these mood cycles where we'd be fine and

2498
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:08,800
these mood cycles where we'd be fine and
 

2499
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,990
these mood cycles where we'd be fine and
she'd be really sweet and nice to me and

2500
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:12,000
she'd be really sweet and nice to me and
 

2501
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,750
she'd be really sweet and nice to me and
affectionate and then her mood would

2502
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:13,760
affectionate and then her mood would
 

2503
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,470
affectionate and then her mood would
flip and she'd get very angry and just

2504
00:47:17,470 --> 00:47:17,480
flip and she'd get very angry and just
 

2505
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,910
flip and she'd get very angry and just
self-deprecating and lashing out at me

2506
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:19,920
self-deprecating and lashing out at me
 

2507
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,030
self-deprecating and lashing out at me
and nothing I said would help. Mhm.

2508
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:25,040
and nothing I said would help. Mhm.
 

2509
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,430
and nothing I said would help. Mhm.
So toward the end, she started getting

2510
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:27,440
So toward the end, she started getting
 

2511
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,109
So toward the end, she started getting
even more aggressive with me cuz I was

2512
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:31,119
even more aggressive with me cuz I was
 

2513
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,430
even more aggressive with me cuz I was
by that point I had moved out of my

2514
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:33,440
by that point I had moved out of my
 

2515
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,950
by that point I had moved out of my
parents house and was in a really bad

2516
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:36,960
parents house and was in a really bad
 

2517
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,430
parents house and was in a really bad
relationship with somebody. Uh and what

2518
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:39,440
relationship with somebody. Uh and what
 

2519
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,750
relationship with somebody. Uh and what
what year was this about? Our falling

2520
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:41,760
what year was this about? Our falling
 

2521
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,550
what year was this about? Our falling
out was 2015. Okay. So you're friends

2522
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:44,560
out was 2015. Okay. So you're friends
 

2523
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,829
out was 2015. Okay. So you're friends
with her for 5 years. Yep. Yeah. Okay.

2524
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:47,839
with her for 5 years. Yep. Yeah. Okay.
 

2525
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,630
with her for 5 years. Yep. Yeah. Okay.
So by then I was in a bad relationship.

2526
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:50,640
So by then I was in a bad relationship.
 

2527
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,829
So by then I was in a bad relationship.
So, I was dealing with more crap in my

2528
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:53,839
So, I was dealing with more crap in my
 

2529
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,069
So, I was dealing with more crap in my
real life and couldn't be at her beck

2530
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:56,079
real life and couldn't be at her beck
 

2531
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:01,109
real life and couldn't be at her beck
and call 24/7 like I was before. Mhm.

2532
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:01,119
and call 24/7 like I was before. Mhm.
 

2533
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,990
and call 24/7 like I was before. Mhm.
And I think that was making her angry at

2534
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:04,000
And I think that was making her angry at
 

2535
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,950
And I think that was making her angry at
me. So, like I'd be online doing other

2536
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:06,960
me. So, like I'd be online doing other
 

2537
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,230
me. So, like I'd be online doing other
things and not responding as quickly as

2538
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:10,240
things and not responding as quickly as
 

2539
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,630
things and not responding as quickly as
she wanted me to and she'd get angry at

2540
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:12,640
she wanted me to and she'd get angry at
 

2541
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,990
she wanted me to and she'd get angry at
me for that. I'd tell her that I was too

2542
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:16,000
me for that. I'd tell her that I was too
 

2543
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,790
me for that. I'd tell her that I was too
anxious to deal with, you know, if she

2544
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:18,800
anxious to deal with, you know, if she
 

2545
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,549
anxious to deal with, you know, if she
was in a really rough spot and I wasn't

2546
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:22,559
was in a really rough spot and I wasn't
 

2547
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,190
was in a really rough spot and I wasn't
in the mental space to be able to handle

2548
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:25,200
in the mental space to be able to handle
 

2549
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,829
in the mental space to be able to handle
that because I was also in a rough spot.

2550
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:27,839
that because I was also in a rough spot.
 

2551
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,150
that because I was also in a rough spot.
She'd get angry at me for that. Mhm.

2552
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:30,160
She'd get angry at me for that. Mhm.
 

2553
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,069
She'd get angry at me for that. Mhm.
She'd make fun of me and downplay my

2554
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:32,079
She'd make fun of me and downplay my
 

2555
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:33,390
She'd make fun of me and downplay my
anxiety

2556
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:33,400
anxiety
 

2557
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,829
anxiety
issues. She made fun of my beliefs at

2558
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:35,839
issues. She made fun of my beliefs at
 

2559
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:37,510
issues. She made fun of my beliefs at
the time. It was just toward the end it

2560
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:37,520
the time. It was just toward the end it
 

2561
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,030
the time. It was just toward the end it
was getting really really bad to the

2562
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:39,040
was getting really really bad to the
 

2563
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,750
was getting really really bad to the
point where I felt afraid to approach

2564
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:41,760
point where I felt afraid to approach
 

2565
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,150
point where I felt afraid to approach
her at all, especially if I knew she was

2566
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:44,160
her at all, especially if I knew she was
 

2567
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,790
her at all, especially if I knew she was
in a mood. Mhm. So, I kind of started

2568
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:46,800
in a mood. Mhm. So, I kind of started
 

2569
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,390
in a mood. Mhm. So, I kind of started
avoiding her because I was afraid to

2570
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:50,400
avoiding her because I was afraid to
 

2571
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,309
avoiding her because I was afraid to
talk to her about it. The few times I

2572
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:52,319
talk to her about it. The few times I
 

2573
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:55,030
talk to her about it. The few times I
had tried, it hadn't gone well. Yeah.

2574
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:55,040
had tried, it hadn't gone well. Yeah.
 

2575
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,270
had tried, it hadn't gone well. Yeah.
There was a point where I noticed that

2576
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:57,280
There was a point where I noticed that
 

2577
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,230
There was a point where I noticed that
she had unfriended me and then

2578
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:00,240
she had unfriended me and then
 

2579
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,470
she had unfriended me and then
reffriended me on Skype. She had sent me

2580
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:02,480
reffriended me on Skype. She had sent me
 

2581
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,270
reffriended me on Skype. She had sent me
messages and then deleted them. and she

2582
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:05,280
messages and then deleted them. and she
 

2583
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,710
messages and then deleted them. and she
would do that kind of thing and then

2584
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:06,720
would do that kind of thing and then
 

2585
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,510
would do that kind of thing and then
come back and apologize for being an

2586
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:08,520
come back and apologize for being an
 

2587
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,150
come back and apologize for being an
[\h__\h] and give me an excuse. One of

2588
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:12,160
[\h__\h] and give me an excuse. One of
 

2589
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,950
[\h__\h] and give me an excuse. One of
the ones that I remember was she blamed

2590
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:14,960
the ones that I remember was she blamed
 

2591
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,349
the ones that I remember was she blamed
it on caffeine

2592
00:49:16,349 --> 00:49:16,359
it on caffeine
 

2593
00:49:16,359 --> 00:49:18,190
it on caffeine
withdrawal.

2594
00:49:18,190 --> 00:49:18,200
withdrawal.
 

2595
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,230
withdrawal.
So, at one point I tried to approach her

2596
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:22,240
So, at one point I tried to approach her
 

2597
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,190
So, at one point I tried to approach her
about it and just said I needed to talk

2598
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:25,200
about it and just said I needed to talk
 

2599
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,349
about it and just said I needed to talk
to her and she was like, "Well, I'm

2600
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:27,359
to her and she was like, "Well, I'm
 

2601
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,670
to her and she was like, "Well, I'm
getting offline in this amount of time,"

2602
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:29,680
getting offline in this amount of time,"
 

2603
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,069
getting offline in this amount of time,"
which was like 30 minutes to an hour.

2604
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:32,079
which was like 30 minutes to an hour.
 

2605
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,910
which was like 30 minutes to an hour.
Mhm. And I was like, "Okay, well, never

2606
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:33,920
Mhm. And I was like, "Okay, well, never
 

2607
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,829
Mhm. And I was like, "Okay, well, never
mind. we can do this some other time

2608
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:35,839
mind. we can do this some other time
 

2609
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,870
mind. we can do this some other time
when we don't have a time crunch. And

2610
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:38,880
when we don't have a time crunch. And
 

2611
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,190
when we don't have a time crunch. And
she came back with, "No, you do it now

2612
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:41,200
she came back with, "No, you do it now
 

2613
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,870
she came back with, "No, you do it now
or you won't do it ever, blah blah

2614
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:42,880
or you won't do it ever, blah blah
 

2615
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,670
or you won't do it ever, blah blah
blah." And I ended up getting offline

2616
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:45,680
blah." And I ended up getting offline
 

2617
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,150
blah." And I ended up getting offline
because I just couldn't handle it. Mhm.

2618
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:48,160
because I just couldn't handle it. Mhm.
 

2619
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,710
because I just couldn't handle it. Mhm.
And when I logged back in, I logged back

2620
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:50,720
And when I logged back in, I logged back
 

2621
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,069
And when I logged back in, I logged back
in and she had sent me

2622
00:49:53,069 --> 00:49:53,079
in and she had sent me
 

2623
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:55,230
in and she had sent me
this barrage of

2624
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:55,240
this barrage of
 

2625
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,390
this barrage of
messages basically telling me that I had

2626
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:58,400
messages basically telling me that I had
 

2627
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,670
messages basically telling me that I had
a time limit that she expected me to

2628
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:01,680
a time limit that she expected me to
 

2629
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,750
a time limit that she expected me to
basically come crawling back to her and

2630
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:03,760
basically come crawling back to her and
 

2631
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,510
basically come crawling back to her and
talk to her or else we were no longer

2632
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:07,520
talk to her or else we were no longer
 

2633
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,150
talk to her or else we were no longer
going to be friends. Mhm. And at that

2634
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:10,160
going to be friends. Mhm. And at that
 

2635
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,390
going to be friends. Mhm. And at that
point, I just kind of snapped. And I

2636
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:12,400
point, I just kind of snapped. And I
 

2637
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,270
point, I just kind of snapped. And I
sent her this paragraph just basically

2638
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:17,280
sent her this paragraph just basically
 

2639
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,910
sent her this paragraph just basically
laying into her for everything, telling

2640
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:19,920
laying into her for everything, telling
 

2641
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,109
laying into her for everything, telling
her that she had had me on eggshells,

2642
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:23,119
her that she had had me on eggshells,
 

2643
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,150
her that she had had me on eggshells,
that I was afraid to talk to her about

2644
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:26,160
that I was afraid to talk to her about
 

2645
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,829
that I was afraid to talk to her about
things because I knew she was either

2646
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:27,839
things because I knew she was either
 

2647
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,790
things because I knew she was either
going to lash out at me or not

2648
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:29,800
going to lash out at me or not
 

2649
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,309
going to lash out at me or not
listen. L just going off at her for how

2650
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:34,319
listen. L just going off at her for how
 

2651
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:36,309
listen. L just going off at her for how
she handled the whole World of Warcraft

2652
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:36,319
she handled the whole World of Warcraft
 

2653
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:39,190
she handled the whole World of Warcraft
situation, which was so stupid. like

2654
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:39,200
situation, which was so stupid. like
 

2655
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,030
situation, which was so stupid. like
that. That was an argument that her and

2656
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:41,040
that. That was an argument that her and
 

2657
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,910
that. That was an argument that her and
I had a few times and what it boiled

2658
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:43,920
I had a few times and what it boiled
 

2659
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,349
I had a few times and what it boiled
down to was I was curious about getting

2660
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:47,359
down to was I was curious about getting
 

2661
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:50,309
down to was I was curious about getting
into the game. She was super into it at

2662
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:50,319
into the game. She was super into it at
 

2663
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,390
into the game. She was super into it at
the time. So, I had asked her if she

2664
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:52,400
the time. So, I had asked her if she
 

2665
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,150
the time. So, I had asked her if she
minded if I asked her questions about

2666
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:54,160
minded if I asked her questions about
 

2667
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,910
minded if I asked her questions about
it, like the lore and the mechanics and

2668
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:55,920
it, like the lore and the mechanics and
 

2669
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,910
it, like the lore and the mechanics and
whatnot. And she said, "Yeah." Cuz at

2670
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:57,920
whatnot. And she said, "Yeah." Cuz at
 

2671
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,670
whatnot. And she said, "Yeah." Cuz at
the time, the computer that I had was

2672
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:01,680
the time, the computer that I had was
 

2673
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,309
the time, the computer that I had was
just bottom shelf, bare bones. it

2674
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:04,319
just bottom shelf, bare bones. it
 

2675
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:07,270
just bottom shelf, bare bones. it
couldn't run anything gaming wise, like

2676
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:07,280
couldn't run anything gaming wise, like
 

2677
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,510
couldn't run anything gaming wise, like
not even World of Warcraft. For some

2678
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:09,520
not even World of Warcraft. For some
 

2679
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,589
not even World of Warcraft. For some
reason, she just refused to believe

2680
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:11,599
reason, she just refused to believe
 

2681
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,549
reason, she just refused to believe
that. So, I told her like, "I'm working

2682
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:14,559
that. So, I told her like, "I'm working
 

2683
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,470
that. So, I told her like, "I'm working
on getting a better computer and once I

2684
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:16,480
on getting a better computer and once I
 

2685
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,430
on getting a better computer and once I
have one, I'll download it and play with

2686
00:51:18,430 --> 00:51:18,440
have one, I'll download it and play with
 

2687
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,510
have one, I'll download it and play with
you." And she just would not take that

2688
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:21,520
you." And she just would not take that
 

2689
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,069
you." And she just would not take that
as an answer. She just kept telling me

2690
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:24,079
as an answer. She just kept telling me
 

2691
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:25,750
as an answer. She just kept telling me
that I needed to download the game, that

2692
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:25,760
that I needed to download the game, that
 

2693
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,829
that I needed to download the game, that
I'm never going to do it, that just

2694
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:29,839
I'm never going to do it, that just
 

2695
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:31,670
I'm never going to do it, that just
basically saying that I didn't know my

2696
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:31,680
basically saying that I didn't know my
 

2697
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,589
basically saying that I didn't know my
own computer specs and what it could do

2698
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:33,599
own computer specs and what it could do
 

2699
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:35,430
own computer specs and what it could do
and all this other crap. So, it was like

2700
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:35,440
and all this other crap. So, it was like
 

2701
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,630
and all this other crap. So, it was like
it was the dumbest thing. This is like

2702
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:38,640
it was the dumbest thing. This is like
 

2703
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,309
it was the dumbest thing. This is like
just wait for me to get a better

2704
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:40,319
just wait for me to get a better
 

2705
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:43,109
just wait for me to get a better
computer. Like, this shouldn't even be a

2706
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:43,119
computer. Like, this shouldn't even be a
 

2707
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,589
computer. Like, this shouldn't even be a
fight. And then she started getting

2708
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:45,599
fight. And then she started getting
 

2709
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,750
fight. And then she started getting
annoyed at me for asking her questions

2710
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:47,760
annoyed at me for asking her questions
 

2711
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,109
annoyed at me for asking her questions
about the game when she she said I could

2712
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:51,119
about the game when she she said I could
 

2713
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,390
about the game when she she said I could
and never told me like, "Hey, I kind of

2714
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:54,400
and never told me like, "Hey, I kind of
 

2715
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,670
and never told me like, "Hey, I kind of
don't want you to do this anymore." She

2716
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:55,680
don't want you to do this anymore." She
 

2717
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,109
don't want you to do this anymore." She
never communicated that to me. She would

2718
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:57,119
never communicated that to me. She would
 

2719
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,150
never communicated that to me. She would
just get pissy with me about it. Mhm.

2720
00:52:00,150 --> 00:52:00,160
just get pissy with me about it. Mhm.
 

2721
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,190
just get pissy with me about it. Mhm.
Which was just confusing. And she'd do

2722
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:03,200
Which was just confusing. And she'd do
 

2723
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,589
Which was just confusing. And she'd do
that a lot.

2724
00:52:04,589 --> 00:52:04,599
that a lot.
 

2725
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,910
that a lot.
Like she'd tell you one thing and then

2726
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:07,920
Like she'd tell you one thing and then
 

2727
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,670
Like she'd tell you one thing and then
get mad at you for doing it later

2728
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:09,680
get mad at you for doing it later
 

2729
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,230
get mad at you for doing it later
without communicating that it's a

2730
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:12,240
without communicating that it's a
 

2731
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:17,030
without communicating that it's a
problem now. Mhm. After I came back into

2732
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:17,040
problem now. Mhm. After I came back into
 

2733
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,349
problem now. Mhm. After I came back into
the

2734
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:18,359
the
 

2735
00:52:18,359 --> 00:52:22,589
the
picture and realized that she was with

2736
00:52:22,589 --> 00:52:22,599
picture and realized that she was with
 

2737
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:26,390
picture and realized that she was with
Lizzy, I found out how long she'd been

2738
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:26,400
Lizzy, I found out how long she'd been
 

2739
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,390
Lizzy, I found out how long she'd been
with her. And I kind of started doing

2740
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:28,400
with her. And I kind of started doing
 

2741
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,190
with her. And I kind of started doing
the math in my head and

2742
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:30,200
the math in my head and
 

2743
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,950
the math in my head and
realized she had to have been talking to

2744
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:32,960
realized she had to have been talking to
 

2745
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,270
realized she had to have been talking to
Lizzy before her and I had our falling

2746
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:35,280
Lizzy before her and I had our falling
 

2747
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,309
Lizzy before her and I had our falling
out. And she never told me. So, what I

2748
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:38,319
out. And she never told me. So, what I
 

2749
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:41,109
out. And she never told me. So, what I
actually think happened there was she

2750
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:41,119
actually think happened there was she
 

2751
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,190
actually think happened there was she
had met

2752
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:42,200
had met
 

2753
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,150
had met
Lizzy, who was someone that she was, I

2754
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:46,160
Lizzy, who was someone that she was, I
 

2755
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,510
Lizzy, who was someone that she was, I
guess, trying to be in a relationship

2756
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:47,520
guess, trying to be in a relationship
 

2757
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,910
guess, trying to be in a relationship
with and who was more willing to be in a

2758
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:49,920
with and who was more willing to be in a
 

2759
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,829
with and who was more willing to be in a
relationship with her, which meant she

2760
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:51,839
relationship with her, which meant she
 

2761
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:54,549
relationship with her, which meant she
no longer needed to keep me around

2762
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:54,559
no longer needed to keep me around
 

2763
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,190
no longer needed to keep me around
because it was harder for her to get me

2764
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:57,200
because it was harder for her to get me
 

2765
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,589
because it was harder for her to get me
to do things that she wanted me to do.

2766
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:59,599
to do things that she wanted me to do.
 

2767
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,230
to do things that she wanted me to do.
Mhm. And she needed a quote unquote

2768
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:02,240
Mhm. And she needed a quote unquote
 

2769
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,710
Mhm. And she needed a quote unquote
legitimate excuse to kick me out of her

2770
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:04,720
legitimate excuse to kick me out of her
 

2771
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,109
legitimate excuse to kick me out of her
life because she had Lizzy now. So I

2772
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:07,119
life because she had Lizzy now. So I
 

2773
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,109
life because she had Lizzy now. So I
think that was the main factor of her

2774
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:11,119
think that was the main factor of her
 

2775
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,670
think that was the main factor of her
just torching the friendship over

2776
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:13,680
just torching the friendship over
 

2777
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,670
just torching the friendship over
something stupid.

2778
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:15,680
something stupid.
 

2779
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,270
something stupid.
So you weren't like a person, you were

2780
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:17,280
So you weren't like a person, you were
 

2781
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,829
So you weren't like a person, you were
just someone that could be sexual

2782
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:19,839
just someone that could be sexual
 

2783
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:22,910
just someone that could be sexual
gratification essentially. Yeah, pretty

2784
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:22,920
gratification essentially. Yeah, pretty
 

2785
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,470
gratification essentially. Yeah, pretty
much. And you it it's obvious in my chat

2786
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:26,480
much. And you it it's obvious in my chat
 

2787
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,430
much. And you it it's obvious in my chat
logs anytime like

2788
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:28,440
logs anytime like
 

2789
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,150
logs anytime like
she since I've come back and started

2790
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:32,160
she since I've come back and started
 

2791
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,910
she since I've come back and started
talking about my experiences with her.

2792
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:33,920
talking about my experiences with her.
 

2793
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,870
talking about my experiences with her.
She has called me everything under the

2794
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:36,880
She has called me everything under the
 

2795
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,670
She has called me everything under the
sun from a fair weather friend to trying

2796
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:39,680
sun from a fair weather friend to trying
 

2797
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,589
sun from a fair weather friend to trying
to say I was the abusive one in the

2798
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:41,599
to say I was the abusive one in the
 

2799
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,470
to say I was the abusive one in the
situation blah blah blah. And it's funny

2800
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:44,480
situation blah blah blah. And it's funny
 

2801
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,589
situation blah blah blah. And it's funny
that she would call me the fair weather

2802
00:53:46,589 --> 00:53:46,599
that she would call me the fair weather
 

2803
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:49,990
that she would call me the fair weather
friend because anytime I would try to

2804
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:50,000
friend because anytime I would try to
 

2805
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,990
friend because anytime I would try to
confide in her things that were going on

2806
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:52,000
confide in her things that were going on
 

2807
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,109
confide in her things that were going on
in my life, she would just completely

2808
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:55,119
in my life, she would just completely
 

2809
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,230
in my life, she would just completely
ignore it. She would change the subject.

2810
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:58,240
ignore it. She would change the subject.
 

2811
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,910
ignore it. She would change the subject.
Oftent times she would make some [\h__\h]

2812
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:59,920
Oftent times she would make some [\h__\h]
 

2813
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,630
Oftent times she would make some [\h__\h]
up. Like at one point my brother ended

2814
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:02,640
up. Like at one point my brother ended
 

2815
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,470
up. Like at one point my brother ended
up with a very bad blood infection that

2816
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:06,480
up with a very bad blood infection that
 

2817
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,710
up with a very bad blood infection that
almost sent him into organ failure. And

2818
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:08,720
almost sent him into organ failure. And
 

2819
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:12,430
almost sent him into organ failure. And
I told her about that and her response

2820
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:12,440
I told her about that and her response
 

2821
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,990
I told her about that and her response
was Terra Callie getting arrested. Did

2822
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:16,000
was Terra Callie getting arrested. Did
 

2823
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,910
was Terra Callie getting arrested. Did
not acknowledge what I was going through

2824
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:17,920
not acknowledge what I was going through
 

2825
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,230
not acknowledge what I was going through
at all and just made up a story about

2826
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:20,240
at all and just made up a story about
 

2827
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,630
at all and just made up a story about
her sock puppet getting arrested. Yeah,

2828
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:22,640
her sock puppet getting arrested. Yeah,
 

2829
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,030
her sock puppet getting arrested. Yeah,
I heard bits and pieces like she got

2830
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:25,040
I heard bits and pieces like she got
 

2831
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,270
I heard bits and pieces like she got
pregnant and you know like just just

2832
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:27,280
pregnant and you know like just just
 

2833
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,190
pregnant and you know like just just
really obvious lies that you know were

2834
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:31,200
really obvious lies that you know were
 

2835
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,069
really obvious lies that you know were
obvious. See, the pregnancy thing, that

2836
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:34,079
obvious. See, the pregnancy thing, that
 

2837
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,190
obvious. See, the pregnancy thing, that
was before Tara Cali became an online

2838
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:37,200
was before Tara Cali became an online
 

2839
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,790
was before Tara Cali became an online
sock puppet. That's more Courtney's side

2840
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:40,800
sock puppet. That's more Courtney's side
 

2841
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,589
sock puppet. That's more Courtney's side
of the story. Mhm. Cuz I just recently

2842
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:43,599
of the story. Mhm. Cuz I just recently
 

2843
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,150
of the story. Mhm. Cuz I just recently
found out from Courtney that Tara Callie

2844
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:46,160
found out from Courtney that Tara Callie
 

2845
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,549
found out from Courtney that Tara Callie
was I guess her quote unquote beta

2846
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:48,559
was I guess her quote unquote beta
 

2847
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,630
was I guess her quote unquote beta
version was someone that Lily would make

2848
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:50,640
version was someone that Lily would make
 

2849
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,510
version was someone that Lily would make
up to her family. Mhm. And then she

2850
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:53,520
up to her family. Mhm. And then she
 

2851
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,589
up to her family. Mhm. And then she
brought that on the internet and made it

2852
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:55,599
brought that on the internet and made it
 

2853
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,230
brought that on the internet and made it
a sock puppet. Mhm. So Terra Cali

2854
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:58,240
a sock puppet. Mhm. So Terra Cali
 

2855
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:01,109
a sock puppet. Mhm. So Terra Cali
according to Lily was infertile when she

2856
00:55:01,109 --> 00:55:01,119
according to Lily was infertile when she
 

2857
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:03,510
according to Lily was infertile when she
was on the internet. The Terra Cali

2858
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:03,520
was on the internet. The Terra Cali
 

2859
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,349
was on the internet. The Terra Cali
background is where it gets really dark.

2860
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:07,359
background is where it gets really dark.
 

2861
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:10,870
background is where it gets really dark.
So allegedly, well, Ter, the story that

2862
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:10,880
So allegedly, well, Ter, the story that
 

2863
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,230
So allegedly, well, Ter, the story that
Lily has for Tara Cali is that she was

2864
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:14,240
Lily has for Tara Cali is that she was
 

2865
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,470
Lily has for Tara Cali is that she was
formerly from California and moved to

2866
00:55:17,470 --> 00:55:17,480
formerly from California and moved to
 

2867
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,150
formerly from California and moved to
Canada because she got kicked out of her

2868
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:20,160
Canada because she got kicked out of her
 

2869
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,190
Canada because she got kicked out of her
parents' house because her parents

2870
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:23,200
parents' house because her parents
 

2871
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,470
parents' house because her parents
caught her doing things with her

2872
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:26,480
caught her doing things with her
 

2873
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,950
caught her doing things with her
underage teenage sister who and at one

2874
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:30,960
underage teenage sister who and at one
 

2875
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,349
underage teenage sister who and at one
point the story went that the underage

2876
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:33,359
point the story went that the underage
 

2877
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:35,829
point the story went that the underage
teenage sister tried to run from

2878
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:35,839
teenage sister tried to run from
 

2879
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:39,109
teenage sister tried to run from
California to Canada and froze to death.

2880
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:39,119
California to Canada and froze to death.
 

2881
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,549
California to Canada and froze to death.
Terra Cali was also allegedly in a

2882
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:42,559
Terra Cali was also allegedly in a
 

2883
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,710
Terra Cali was also allegedly in a
sexual relationship with her older

2884
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:44,720
sexual relationship with her older
 

2885
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,710
sexual relationship with her older
brother who died in the military.

2886
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:48,720
brother who died in the military.
 

2887
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,349
brother who died in the military.
So yeah, there there was a lot of um

2888
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:51,359
So yeah, there there was a lot of um
 

2889
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:55,829
So yeah, there there was a lot of um
very gross aspects to her story. She was

2890
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:55,839
very gross aspects to her story. She was
 

2891
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:56,910
very gross aspects to her story. She was
a

2892
00:55:56,910 --> 00:55:56,920
a
 

2893
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,670
a
self-described

2894
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:58,680
self-described
 

2895
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,910
self-described
nyomaniac, a self-described I don't know

2896
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:01,920
nyomaniac, a self-described I don't know
 

2897
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,030
nyomaniac, a self-described I don't know
if I can say this for YouTube, but uh we

2898
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:05,040
if I can say this for YouTube, but uh we
 

2899
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,430
if I can say this for YouTube, but uh we
can censor it. someone who shouldn't be

2900
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:07,440
can censor it. someone who shouldn't be
 

2901
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,349
can censor it. someone who shouldn't be
around children. Mhm. And the

2902
00:56:10,349 --> 00:56:10,359
around children. Mhm. And the
 

2903
00:56:10,359 --> 00:56:13,829
around children. Mhm. And the
arrest, like the story of the arrest has

2904
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:13,839
arrest, like the story of the arrest has
 

2905
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:16,230
arrest, like the story of the arrest has
changed over the years since Lily has

2906
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:16,240
changed over the years since Lily has
 

2907
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:17,990
changed over the years since Lily has
done her best to try and cover her ass

2908
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:18,000
done her best to try and cover her ass
 

2909
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,589
done her best to try and cover her ass
and can't keep her story straight about

2910
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:19,599
and can't keep her story straight about
 

2911
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,109
and can't keep her story straight about
it. But the story that I was told and

2912
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:23,119
it. But the story that I was told and
 

2913
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,150
it. But the story that I was told and
the story that she alluded to publicly

2914
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:26,160
the story that she alluded to publicly
 

2915
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,789
the story that she alluded to publicly
on her Tumblr back then was that Terra

2916
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:28,799
on her Tumblr back then was that Terra
 

2917
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:32,309
on her Tumblr back then was that Terra
Callie had been arrested for several

2918
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:32,319
Callie had been arrested for several
 

2919
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:35,750
Callie had been arrested for several
incidences of child predation and

2920
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:35,760
incidences of child predation and
 

2921
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,230
incidences of child predation and
possession of illegal material involving

2922
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:39,240
possession of illegal material involving
 

2923
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,230
possession of illegal material involving
children. In terms of the arrest, the

2924
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:42,240
children. In terms of the arrest, the
 

2925
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,630
children. In terms of the arrest, the
story that Lily will tell today about

2926
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:44,640
story that Lily will tell today about
 

2927
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,789
story that Lily will tell today about
it, if she acknowledges Terara's

2928
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:46,799
it, if she acknowledges Terara's
 

2929
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:49,349
it, if she acknowledges Terara's
existence at all, because she flip-flops

2930
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:49,359
existence at all, because she flip-flops
 

2931
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:52,710
existence at all, because she flip-flops
between acknowledging her existence to

2932
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:52,720
between acknowledging her existence to
 

2933
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,710
between acknowledging her existence to
changing her name to Allison, so people

2934
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:54,720
changing her name to Allison, so people
 

2935
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,829
changing her name to Allison, so people
can't look her up to denying that she

2936
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:57,839
can't look her up to denying that she
 

2937
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:01,990
can't look her up to denying that she
ever knew this person. So, the story I

2938
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:02,000
ever knew this person. So, the story I
 

2939
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,190
ever knew this person. So, the story I
was told was Terra got arrested for

2940
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:05,200
was told was Terra got arrested for
 

2941
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,150
was told was Terra got arrested for
weird [\h__\h] involving children. The story

2942
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:08,160
weird [\h__\h] involving children. The story
 

2943
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,470
weird [\h__\h] involving children. The story
Lily tells about how she handled it now

2944
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:10,480
Lily tells about how she handled it now
 

2945
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,109
Lily tells about how she handled it now
was that she basically played the hero

2946
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:13,119
was that she basically played the hero
 

2947
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,750
was that she basically played the hero
and went and told the police and led

2948
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:15,760
and went and told the police and led
 

2949
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,349
and went and told the police and led
them to her computer and all this other

2950
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:17,359
them to her computer and all this other
 

2951
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:21,349
them to her computer and all this other
[\h__\h] What happened with me and what she

2952
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:21,359
[\h__\h] What happened with me and what she
 

2953
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:24,470
[\h__\h] What happened with me and what she
told me was that when this occurred, she

2954
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:24,480
told me was that when this occurred, she
 

2955
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,670
told me was that when this occurred, she
asked me whether I thought that she

2956
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:27,680
asked me whether I thought that she
 

2957
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,549
asked me whether I thought that she
should go over there and delete Terara's

2958
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:30,559
should go over there and delete Terara's
 

2959
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:31,470
should go over there and delete Terara's
hard

2960
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:31,480
hard
 

2961
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,750
hard
drives so that she wouldn't get a 30 to

2962
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:35,760
drives so that she wouldn't get a 30 to
 

2963
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,069
drives so that she wouldn't get a 30 to
life sentence or whatever. That's a lot

2964
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:38,079
life sentence or whatever. That's a lot
 

2965
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:42,150
life sentence or whatever. That's a lot
of It's a lot of pressure. Uh-huh. And

2966
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:42,160
of It's a lot of pressure. Uh-huh. And
 

2967
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,630
of It's a lot of pressure. Uh-huh. And
yeah, in hindsight, I'm ridiculously

2968
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:44,640
yeah, in hindsight, I'm ridiculously
 

2969
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,270
yeah, in hindsight, I'm ridiculously
embarrassed with how I responded to a

2970
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:47,280
embarrassed with how I responded to a
 

2971
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,390
embarrassed with how I responded to a
lot of what went on back then. Mhm. I

2972
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:50,400
lot of what went on back then. Mhm. I
 

2973
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,309
lot of what went on back then. Mhm. I
just I didn't know what the hell to do

2974
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:52,319
just I didn't know what the hell to do
 

2975
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,789
just I didn't know what the hell to do
cuz 2 years prior to all that, I had had

2976
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:54,799
cuz 2 years prior to all that, I had had
 

2977
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,829
cuz 2 years prior to all that, I had had
my own situation not believed by law

2978
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:57,839
my own situation not believed by law
 

2979
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:00,470
my own situation not believed by law
enforcement or my family. Back then, you

2980
00:58:00,470 --> 00:58:00,480
enforcement or my family. Back then, you
 

2981
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,750
enforcement or my family. Back then, you
couldn't just call internationally the

2982
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:03,760
couldn't just call internationally the
 

2983
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,910
couldn't just call internationally the
way you can today, not even over the

2984
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,920
way you can today, not even over the
 

2985
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,190
way you can today, not even over the
internet.

2986
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:07,200
internet.
 

2987
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,390
internet.
So, I was in this weird position where

2988
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:10,400
So, I was in this weird position where
 

2989
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,549
So, I was in this weird position where
Lily and quote unquote Terra were taking

2990
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:14,559
Lily and quote unquote Terra were taking
 

2991
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,349
Lily and quote unquote Terra were taking
advantage of my own vulnerabilities and

2992
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:17,359
advantage of my own vulnerabilities and
 

2993
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,990
advantage of my own vulnerabilities and
normalizing a lot of this stuff. And I

2994
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:20,000
normalizing a lot of this stuff. And I
 

2995
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,710
normalizing a lot of this stuff. And I
was at a point where I like if if my own

2996
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:22,720
was at a point where I like if if my own
 

2997
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,710
was at a point where I like if if my own
local law enforcement didn't believe

2998
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:24,720
local law enforcement didn't believe
 

2999
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,589
local law enforcement didn't believe
something that happened to me, how the

3000
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:27,599
something that happened to me, how the
 

3001
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:30,230
something that happened to me, how the
hell was I going to get in contact with

3002
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:30,240
hell was I going to get in contact with
 

3003
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,270
hell was I going to get in contact with
law enforcement in another country over

3004
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:33,280
law enforcement in another country over
 

3005
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,430
law enforcement in another country over
someone that I wasn't even sure really

3006
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:35,440
someone that I wasn't even sure really
 

3007
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,069
someone that I wasn't even sure really
existed at the time? Mhm. And I wish I'd

3008
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:38,079
existed at the time? Mhm. And I wish I'd
 

3009
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:41,309
existed at the time? Mhm. And I wish I'd
walked away. Mhm. I mean, that makes

3010
00:58:41,309 --> 00:58:41,319
walked away. Mhm. I mean, that makes
 

3011
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:44,549
walked away. Mhm. I mean, that makes
sense. It's that So, uh, when did you

3012
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:44,559
sense. It's that So, uh, when did you
 

3013
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,190
sense. It's that So, uh, when did you
start becoming more vocal? because I I

3014
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:47,200
start becoming more vocal? because I I
 

3015
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,190
start becoming more vocal? because I I
know now that a lot of people are on

3016
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:49,200
know now that a lot of people are on
 

3017
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,910
know now that a lot of people are on
Tumblr as far as just talking about

3018
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:51,920
Tumblr as far as just talking about
 

3019
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,150
Tumblr as far as just talking about
Lily, sharing screenshots about stuff

3020
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:54,160
Lily, sharing screenshots about stuff
 

3021
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:00,430
Lily, sharing screenshots about stuff
she said and Stockholm and stuff. So, in

3022
00:59:00,430 --> 00:59:00,440
she said and Stockholm and stuff. So, in
 

3023
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,750
she said and Stockholm and stuff. So, in
2017, I decided to look up her channel

3024
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:03,760
2017, I decided to look up her channel
 

3025
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,190
2017, I decided to look up her channel
one day just to see how she was doing.

3026
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:07,200
one day just to see how she was doing.
 

3027
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,349
one day just to see how she was doing.
And I didn't watch any of her videos,

3028
00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:09,359
And I didn't watch any of her videos,
 

3029
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:11,430
And I didn't watch any of her videos,
but I did see the one where she had

3030
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:11,440
but I did see the one where she had
 

3031
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,309
but I did see the one where she had
officially come out as trans. And my

3032
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:14,319
officially come out as trans. And my
 

3033
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:17,270
officially come out as trans. And my
initial reaction to that was I was happy

3034
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:17,280
initial reaction to that was I was happy
 

3035
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,109
initial reaction to that was I was happy
for her. I assumed and hoped that she

3036
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:21,119
for her. I assumed and hoped that she
 

3037
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,950
for her. I assumed and hoped that she
had become more comfortable in her own

3038
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:22,960
had become more comfortable in her own
 

3039
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,430
had become more comfortable in her own
skin and had calmed down a lot cuz at

3040
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:25,440
skin and had calmed down a lot cuz at
 

3041
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,270
skin and had calmed down a lot cuz at
the time I thought that I was the only

3042
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:27,280
the time I thought that I was the only
 

3043
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,069
the time I thought that I was the only
one that she had treated that way. Mhm.

3044
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:30,079
one that she had treated that way. Mhm.
 

3045
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,069
one that she had treated that way. Mhm.
A little bit after that, I saw Josh

3046
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:32,079
A little bit after that, I saw Josh
 

3047
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,390
A little bit after that, I saw Josh
Scorcher's video talking about his

3048
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:34,400
Scorcher's video talking about his
 

3049
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,430
Scorcher's video talking about his
experiences with her. And that's when it

3050
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:37,440
experiences with her. And that's when it
 

3051
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,750
experiences with her. And that's when it
clicked that not only is she treating

3052
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:39,760
clicked that not only is she treating
 

3053
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,630
clicked that not only is she treating
other people like that, she's using her

3054
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:42,640
other people like that, she's using her
 

3055
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,589
other people like that, she's using her
platform to do it. Mhm. Cuz her and I

3056
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:45,599
platform to do it. Mhm. Cuz her and I
 

3057
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,069
platform to do it. Mhm. Cuz her and I
were still talking when her and Josh

3058
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:48,079
were still talking when her and Josh
 

3059
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,870
were still talking when her and Josh
Scorcher started talking. Mhm. And she

3060
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:50,880
Scorcher started talking. Mhm. And she
 

3061
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,309
Scorcher started talking. Mhm. And she
had told me that she had a crush on him

3062
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:54,319
had told me that she had a crush on him
 

3063
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:56,230
had told me that she had a crush on him
and looked up to him and all this other

3064
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:56,240
and looked up to him and all this other
 

3065
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,630
and looked up to him and all this other
stuff. So realizing that she had treated

3066
01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:00,640
stuff. So realizing that she had treated
 

3067
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,069
stuff. So realizing that she had treated
him that way after speaking so highly of

3068
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:04,079
him that way after speaking so highly of
 

3069
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:08,390
him that way after speaking so highly of
him, like I immediately got scared. I

3070
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:08,400
him, like I immediately got scared. I
 

3071
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,630
him, like I immediately got scared. I
started googling her to see if anything

3072
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:10,640
started googling her to see if anything
 

3073
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,470
started googling her to see if anything
else had come out and I came across the

3074
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:14,480
else had come out and I came across the
 

3075
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,030
else had come out and I came across the
fruit site thread. At the time I didn't

3076
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:17,040
fruit site thread. At the time I didn't
 

3077
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,150
fruit site thread. At the time I didn't
know the reputation of that website.

3078
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:20,160
know the reputation of that website.
 

3079
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,829
know the reputation of that website.
Like I had never heard of it before that

3080
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:21,839
Like I had never heard of it before that
 

3081
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:25,150
Like I had never heard of it before that
point. I just saw that she had a thread

3082
01:00:25,150 --> 01:00:25,160
point. I just saw that she had a thread
 

3083
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,710
point. I just saw that she had a thread
there and they were talking about the

3084
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:28,720
there and they were talking about the
 

3085
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,510
there and they were talking about the
Terra Cali rumors, the rumors of her

3086
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:31,520
Terra Cali rumors, the rumors of her
 

3087
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,230
Terra Cali rumors, the rumors of her
being into animals, rumors of her being

3088
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:34,240
being into animals, rumors of her being
 

3089
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,349
being into animals, rumors of her being
into kids, the Josh Scorcher stuff, the

3090
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:37,359
into kids, the Josh Scorcher stuff, the
 

3091
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:41,109
into kids, the Josh Scorcher stuff, the
old fanfictions, like all of it. And I

3092
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:41,119
old fanfictions, like all of it. And I
 

3093
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,870
old fanfictions, like all of it. And I
was surprised to see anyone talking

3094
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:42,880
was surprised to see anyone talking
 

3095
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,030
was surprised to see anyone talking
about it, let alone as deeply as they

3096
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:45,040
about it, let alone as deeply as they
 

3097
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,349
about it, let alone as deeply as they
were going. A lot of the rumors at that

3098
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:47,359
were going. A lot of the rumors at that
 

3099
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,710
were going. A lot of the rumors at that
point were unsubstantiated.

3100
01:00:49,710 --> 01:00:49,720
point were unsubstantiated.
 

3101
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,069
point were unsubstantiated.
and I had evidence of all of them. So at

3102
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:54,079
and I had evidence of all of them. So at
 

3103
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:57,349
and I had evidence of all of them. So at
that point, I felt that I had a

3104
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:57,359
that point, I felt that I had a
 

3105
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:00,470
that point, I felt that I had a
responsibility to share the logs that I

3106
01:01:00,470 --> 01:01:00,480
responsibility to share the logs that I
 

3107
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,710
responsibility to share the logs that I
had that proved that she was dangerous

3108
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:04,720
had that proved that she was dangerous
 

3109
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,150
had that proved that she was dangerous
because she is. Mhm. I was the one that

3110
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:08,160
because she is. Mhm. I was the one that
 

3111
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,950
because she is. Mhm. I was the one that
had all the proof that she is into

3112
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:10,960
had all the proof that she is into
 

3113
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,150
had all the proof that she is into
animals, she is into children, that the

3114
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:14,160
animals, she is into children, that the
 

3115
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,710
animals, she is into children, that the
Terra Cali sock puppet existed and she

3116
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:16,720
Terra Cali sock puppet existed and she
 

3117
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,670
Terra Cali sock puppet existed and she
was using it to basically groom not only

3118
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:19,680
was using it to basically groom not only
 

3119
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,870
was using it to basically groom not only
me but Blake Diamond and a few others.

3120
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:24,880
me but Blake Diamond and a few others.
 

3121
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,750
me but Blake Diamond and a few others.
And I wasn't on Tumblr when Lily and I

3122
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:27,760
And I wasn't on Tumblr when Lily and I
 

3123
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,630
And I wasn't on Tumblr when Lily and I
were talking, so I didn't see a lot of

3124
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:30,640
were talking, so I didn't see a lot of
 

3125
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,910
were talking, so I didn't see a lot of
what she was posting on there back then.

3126
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:33,920
what she was posting on there back then.
 

3127
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,910
what she was posting on there back then.
I started looking into some of the

3128
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:35,920
I started looking into some of the
 

3129
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,990
I started looking into some of the
archives that other people had kept of

3130
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:39,000
archives that other people had kept of
 

3131
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,950
archives that other people had kept of
hers. I started looking into the Voris

3132
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:42,960
hers. I started looking into the Voris
 

3133
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,510
hers. I started looking into the Voris
Vixen Tumblr account, which is the one

3134
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:45,520
Vixen Tumblr account, which is the one
 

3135
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,309
Vixen Tumblr account, which is the one
associated with TK

3136
01:01:47,309 --> 01:01:47,319
associated with TK
 

3137
01:01:47,319 --> 01:01:51,190
associated with TK
Ali. And there was a lot more going on

3138
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:51,200
Ali. And there was a lot more going on
 

3139
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,789
Ali. And there was a lot more going on
in public that I didn't know about. Mhm.

3140
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:54,799
in public that I didn't know about. Mhm.
 

3141
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,630
in public that I didn't know about. Mhm.
which kind of tied into the stuff that

3142
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:56,640
which kind of tied into the stuff that
 

3143
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,589
which kind of tied into the stuff that
was going on with us in

3144
01:01:58,589 --> 01:01:58,599
was going on with us in
 

3145
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:03,510
was going on with us in
private, especially in regards to the

3146
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:03,520
private, especially in regards to the
 

3147
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,910
private, especially in regards to the
rather vocalized illusion comic strips

3148
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:05,920
rather vocalized illusion comic strips
 

3149
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,990
rather vocalized illusion comic strips
that she would make that often involved

3150
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:08,000
that she would make that often involved
 

3151
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,270
that she would make that often involved
me. Yeah, I heard about those. But

3152
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:11,280
me. Yeah, I heard about those. But
 

3153
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,349
me. Yeah, I heard about those. But
continue. Yeah, I never had any input on

3154
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:15,359
continue. Yeah, I never had any input on
 

3155
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:17,109
continue. Yeah, I never had any input on
those comics. Like, not even the ones

3156
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:17,119
those comics. Like, not even the ones
 

3157
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:18,789
those comics. Like, not even the ones
that involved me. Like, she would do

3158
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:18,799
that involved me. Like, she would do
 

3159
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,789
that involved me. Like, she would do
them and sometimes she would show me,

3160
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:20,799
them and sometimes she would show me,
 

3161
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:22,870
them and sometimes she would show me,
sometimes she wouldn't. She made merch

3162
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:22,880
sometimes she wouldn't. She made merch
 

3163
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,270
sometimes she wouldn't. She made merch
at one point. I don't know or think she

3164
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:25,280
at one point. I don't know or think she
 

3165
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,750
at one point. I don't know or think she
sold any of it, but there is a

3166
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:27,760
sold any of it, but there is a
 

3167
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,789
sold any of it, but there is a
screenshot floating around of a credit

3168
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:30,799
screenshot floating around of a credit
 

3169
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:32,789
screenshot floating around of a credit
roll from one of her old videos where

3170
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:32,799
roll from one of her old videos where
 

3171
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,789
roll from one of her old videos where
she's wearing a shirt that features me

3172
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:34,799
she's wearing a shirt that features me
 

3173
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:39,510
she's wearing a shirt that features me
and her other real life friend.

3174
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:39,520
and her other real life friend.
 

3175
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,549
and her other real life friend.
And in hindsight, she was the way she

3176
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:42,559
And in hindsight, she was the way she
 

3177
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,750
And in hindsight, she was the way she
depicted me and our relationship was

3178
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:45,760
depicted me and our relationship was
 

3179
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,109
depicted me and our relationship was
very much trying to push this public

3180
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:49,119
very much trying to push this public
 

3181
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,349
very much trying to push this public
view of like she was trying to encourage

3182
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:51,359
view of like she was trying to encourage
 

3183
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,349
view of like she was trying to encourage
her audience to ship us pretty much.

3184
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:53,359
her audience to ship us pretty much.
 

3185
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:56,710
her audience to ship us pretty much.
Yeah. Like even my old TV tropes page

3186
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:56,720
Yeah. Like even my old TV tropes page
 

3187
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,630
Yeah. Like even my old TV tropes page
that she made of my character, which I

3188
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:58,640
that she made of my character, which I
 

3189
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,030
that she made of my character, which I
still have a screenshot of, like it even

3190
01:03:01,030 --> 01:03:01,040
still have a screenshot of, like it even
 

3191
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,950
still have a screenshot of, like it even
acknowledges in that that there was a

3192
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:03,960
acknowledges in that that there was a
 

3193
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,190
acknowledges in that that there was a
one-sided sexual dynamic between us.

3194
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:07,200
one-sided sexual dynamic between us.
 

3195
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,430
one-sided sexual dynamic between us.
Mhm. So, like Lily knew full well what

3196
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:09,440
Mhm. So, like Lily knew full well what
 

3197
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,230
Mhm. So, like Lily knew full well what
she was doing. It was private pressure

3198
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:12,240
she was doing. It was private pressure
 

3199
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,190
she was doing. It was private pressure
between her and the sock puppet and

3200
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:15,200
between her and the sock puppet and
 

3201
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,589
between her and the sock puppet and
public pressure with trying to get her

3202
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:17,599
public pressure with trying to get her
 

3203
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,150
public pressure with trying to get her
audience to ship us. And the fallout had

3204
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:20,160
audience to ship us. And the fallout had
 

3205
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,710
audience to ship us. And the fallout had
to do like did you just you ignored her

3206
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:22,720
to do like did you just you ignored her
 

3207
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,510
to do like did you just you ignored her
when you um when she sent the count the

3208
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:25,520
when you um when she sent the count the
 

3209
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,789
when you um when she sent the count the
countdown, right? The Well, I wasn't I

3210
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:28,799
countdown, right? The Well, I wasn't I
 

3211
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,950
countdown, right? The Well, I wasn't I
wasn't online at the time. Like she

3212
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:30,960
wasn't online at the time. Like she
 

3213
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,630
wasn't online at the time. Like she
thought that I had just gone invisible

3214
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:32,640
thought that I had just gone invisible
 

3215
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,710
thought that I had just gone invisible
and was ignoring her, but I had fully

3216
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:34,720
and was ignoring her, but I had fully
 

3217
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,510
and was ignoring her, but I had fully
signed out of Skype. Mhm. because I was

3218
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:37,520
signed out of Skype. Mhm. because I was
 

3219
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,230
signed out of Skype. Mhm. because I was
dealing with like I had gotten out of my

3220
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:40,240
dealing with like I had gotten out of my
 

3221
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,069
dealing with like I had gotten out of my
bad relationship and had to move back

3222
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:42,079
bad relationship and had to move back
 

3223
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,789
bad relationship and had to move back
home. So, I was dealing with all the

3224
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:44,799
home. So, I was dealing with all the
 

3225
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,470
home. So, I was dealing with all the
fallout and implications of that. Like I

3226
01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:47,480
fallout and implications of that. Like I
 

3227
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,789
fallout and implications of that. Like I
was mentally and emotionally an absolute

3228
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:50,799
was mentally and emotionally an absolute
 

3229
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:53,349
was mentally and emotionally an absolute
mess at the time. Mhm. So, when she

3230
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:53,359
mess at the time. Mhm. So, when she
 

3231
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:55,349
mess at the time. Mhm. So, when she
started trying to come at me with that

3232
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:55,359
started trying to come at me with that
 

3233
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:58,630
started trying to come at me with that
kind of attitude, I just shut down and

3234
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:58,640
kind of attitude, I just shut down and
 

3235
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,789
kind of attitude, I just shut down and
could not deal with it. And that and

3236
01:04:00,789 --> 01:04:00,799
could not deal with it. And that and
 

3237
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,230
could not deal with it. And that and
that was it. That was the end of the

3238
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:02,240
that was it. That was the end of the
 

3239
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,549
that was it. That was the end of the
friendship, right? Pretty much. Yeah.

3240
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:04,559
friendship, right? Pretty much. Yeah.
 

3241
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,630
friendship, right? Pretty much. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I only have a couple more

3242
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:06,640
Yeah. Okay. I only have a couple more
 

3243
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,510
Yeah. Okay. I only have a couple more
questions, but like um what has the

3244
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:09,520
questions, but like um what has the
 

3245
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,270
questions, but like um what has the
experience been like maintaining your

3246
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:11,280
experience been like maintaining your
 

3247
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,510
experience been like maintaining your
blog? And has it been therapeutic? Has

3248
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:13,520
blog? And has it been therapeutic? Has
 

3249
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,230
blog? And has it been therapeutic? Has
it been stressful? All of the above

3250
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:16,240
it been stressful? All of the above
 

3251
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,270
it been stressful? All of the above
really? Cuz I I think you're the I think

3252
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:19,280
really? Cuz I I think you're the I think
 

3253
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,589
really? Cuz I I think you're the I think
you're the only one still like besides

3254
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:21,599
you're the only one still like besides
 

3255
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,430
you're the only one still like besides
Courtney obviously that is still like

3256
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:23,440
Courtney obviously that is still like
 

3257
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,109
Courtney obviously that is still like
I'm here and Lily is still bad cuz um

3258
01:04:26,109 --> 01:04:26,119
I'm here and Lily is still bad cuz um
 

3259
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:30,390
I'm here and Lily is still bad cuz um
Shiloh left the internet. Um, yeah, I'm

3260
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:30,400
Shiloh left the internet. Um, yeah, I'm
 

3261
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,990
Shiloh left the internet. Um, yeah, I'm
I'm pretty much aside from Courtney, I'm

3262
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:34,000
I'm pretty much aside from Courtney, I'm
 

3263
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,150
I'm pretty much aside from Courtney, I'm
I've been around the longest. I'm one of

3264
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:36,160
I've been around the longest. I'm one of
 

3265
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,589
I've been around the longest. I'm one of
the oldest lore

3266
01:04:38,589 --> 01:04:38,599
the oldest lore
 

3267
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,510
the oldest lore
keepers. Lore keepers.

3268
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:41,520
keepers. Lore keepers.
 

3269
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,630
keepers. Lore keepers.
It's not a title that I'm proud of. It's

3270
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:44,640
It's not a title that I'm proud of. It's
 

3271
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,069
It's not a title that I'm proud of. It's
It's been therapeutic in some ways and

3272
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:48,079
It's been therapeutic in some ways and
 

3273
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,349
It's been therapeutic in some ways and
just extremely frustrating in others

3274
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:51,359
just extremely frustrating in others
 

3275
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:52,510
just extremely frustrating in others
because

3276
01:04:52,510 --> 01:04:52,520
because
 

3277
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,950
because
I've I've had to deal with

3278
01:04:55,950 --> 01:04:55,960
I've I've had to deal with
 

3279
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,510
I've I've had to deal with
Lily just twisting every aspect of

3280
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:59,520
Lily just twisting every aspect of
 

3281
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,309
Lily just twisting every aspect of
everything I say. I've had to watch her

3282
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:02,319
everything I say. I've had to watch her
 

3283
01:05:02,319 --> 01:05:06,069
everything I say. I've had to watch her
do to others what she has done to me.

3284
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:06,079
do to others what she has done to me.
 

3285
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,230
do to others what she has done to me.
I've had to watch her over the years get

3286
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:08,240
I've had to watch her over the years get
 

3287
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,630
I've had to watch her over the years get
away with just absolutely heinous

3288
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:11,640
away with just absolutely heinous
 

3289
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,349
away with just absolutely heinous
[\h__\h] both in public and in private.

3290
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:15,359
[\h__\h] both in public and in private.
 

3291
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:19,829
[\h__\h] both in public and in private.
Mhm. And she still has people that just

3292
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:19,839
Mhm. And she still has people that just
 

3293
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,109
Mhm. And she still has people that just
blindly believe everything she

3294
01:05:22,109 --> 01:05:22,119
blindly believe everything she
 

3295
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:25,510
blindly believe everything she
says. I've been called everything from a

3296
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:25,520
says. I've been called everything from a
 

3297
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,150
says. I've been called everything from a
fair weather friend to a sexual abuser

3298
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:28,160
fair weather friend to a sexual abuser
 

3299
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,870
fair weather friend to a sexual abuser
to a stalker to a Nazi to a racist to a

3300
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:32,880
to a stalker to a Nazi to a racist to a
 

3301
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,910
to a stalker to a Nazi to a racist to a
trans phobe. Like you name it, she has

3302
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:35,920
trans phobe. Like you name it, she has
 

3303
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,630
trans phobe. Like you name it, she has
called me it. At some point she's tried

3304
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:38,640
called me it. At some point she's tried
 

3305
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,589
called me it. At some point she's tried
to like her stories about me have

3306
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:41,599
to like her stories about me have
 

3307
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,390
to like her stories about me have
changed over the years from, oh, I

3308
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:44,400
changed over the years from, oh, I
 

3309
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,950
changed over the years from, oh, I
barely knew her and Blake. They were

3310
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:46,960
barely knew her and Blake. They were
 

3311
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:47,950
barely knew her and Blake. They were
charity

3312
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:47,960
charity
 

3313
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,069
charity
cases, blah blah blah, to, "Oh, she was

3314
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:52,079
cases, blah blah blah, to, "Oh, she was
 

3315
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:53,990
cases, blah blah blah, to, "Oh, she was
a fair weather friend and she was only

3316
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:54,000
a fair weather friend and she was only
 

3317
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,470
a fair weather friend and she was only
there for me when I was in a good mood,"

3318
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:56,480
there for me when I was in a good mood,"
 

3319
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,109
there for me when I was in a good mood,"
which isn't true.

3320
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:59,119
which isn't true.
 

3321
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,270
which isn't true.
I did my best to try and support her

3322
01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:01,280
I did my best to try and support her
 

3323
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,430
I did my best to try and support her
when she was having her mental breaks.

3324
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:05,440
when she was having her mental breaks.
 

3325
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,829
when she was having her mental breaks.
It's just when she's like that, there's

3326
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:07,839
It's just when she's like that, there's
 

3327
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:09,990
It's just when she's like that, there's
nothing you can say or do that will

3328
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:10,000
nothing you can say or do that will
 

3329
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,349
nothing you can say or do that will
help. She just wants somebody that she

3330
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:13,359
help. She just wants somebody that she
 

3331
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:15,190
help. She just wants somebody that she
can use as a punching bag to take her

3332
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:15,200
can use as a punching bag to take her
 

3333
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,750
can use as a punching bag to take her
[\h__\h] out on. Was she verbally abusive

3334
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:17,760
[\h__\h] out on. Was she verbally abusive
 

3335
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,230
[\h__\h] out on. Was she verbally abusive
during those fits? Oh, yeah. Like I we

3336
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:21,240
during those fits? Oh, yeah. Like I we
 

3337
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,230
during those fits? Oh, yeah. Like I we
rarely I never really got on calls with

3338
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:24,240
rarely I never really got on calls with
 

3339
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,270
rarely I never really got on calls with
her when she was like that. Mhm. But

3340
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:27,280
her when she was like that. Mhm. But
 

3341
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,670
her when she was like that. Mhm. But
yeah, she

3342
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:28,680
yeah, she
 

3343
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,349
yeah, she
was when she was like that, she could

3344
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:31,359
was when she was like that, she could
 

3345
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:34,390
was when she was like that, she could
get extremely cruel. Like she would hit

3346
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:34,400
get extremely cruel. Like she would hit
 

3347
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,349
get extremely cruel. Like she would hit
you where she knew it would hurt. She

3348
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:37,359
you where she knew it would hurt. She
 

3349
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:39,670
you where she knew it would hurt. She
would try to make you feel stupid. She

3350
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:39,680
would try to make you feel stupid. She
 

3351
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,710
would try to make you feel stupid. She
would try to make you doubt your own

3352
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:42,720
would try to make you doubt your own
 

3353
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,190
would try to make you doubt your own
beliefs about yourself.

3354
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:45,200
beliefs about yourself.
 

3355
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,069
beliefs about yourself.
She would harshly judge every decision

3356
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:48,079
She would harshly judge every decision
 

3357
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:51,109
She would harshly judge every decision
that you made. if you expressed wanting

3358
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:51,119
that you made. if you expressed wanting
 

3359
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,870
that you made. if you expressed wanting
to get into a hobby or c like she did

3360
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:54,880
to get into a hobby or c like she did
 

3361
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,950
to get into a hobby or c like she did
she did this to Michaela too actually

3362
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:56,960
she did this to Michaela too actually
 

3363
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,870
she did this to Michaela too actually
like I had brought up at one point

3364
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:58,880
like I had brought up at one point
 

3365
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,430
like I had brought up at one point
wanting to try and become a YouTuber in

3366
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:01,440
wanting to try and become a YouTuber in
 

3367
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,750
wanting to try and become a YouTuber in
the commentary community she immediately

3368
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:03,760
the commentary community she immediately
 

3369
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,950
the commentary community she immediately
cut that down so like she she's just a

3370
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:06,960
cut that down so like she she's just a
 

3371
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,950
cut that down so like she she's just a
cruel person but she will breadcrumb you

3372
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:09,960
cruel person but she will breadcrumb you
 

3373
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,470
cruel person but she will breadcrumb you
with bits of affection and support

3374
01:07:13,470 --> 01:07:13,480
with bits of affection and support
 

3375
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,190
with bits of affection and support
and flirting and just she'll be nice to

3376
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:17,200
and flirting and just she'll be nice to
 

3377
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,029
and flirting and just she'll be nice to
you so that she can be cruel to do

3378
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:19,039
you so that she can be cruel to do
 

3379
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,990
you so that she can be cruel to do
later, right? And like I have a

3380
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:22,000
later, right? And like I have a
 

3381
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,789
later, right? And like I have a
different experience because I was never

3382
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:24,799
different experience because I was never
 

3383
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:27,109
different experience because I was never
really interested like I didn't to for

3384
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:27,119
really interested like I didn't to for
 

3385
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:29,349
really interested like I didn't to for
the record I don't really I didn't

3386
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:29,359
the record I don't really I didn't
 

3387
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:31,349
the record I don't really I didn't
really understand the the Josh Scorcher

3388
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:31,359
really understand the the Josh Scorcher
 

3389
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:32,710
really understand the the Josh Scorcher
stuff. I just knew that they had a

3390
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:32,720
stuff. I just knew that they had a
 

3391
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,750
stuff. I just knew that they had a
falling out and um something

3392
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:36,760
falling out and um something
 

3393
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,670
falling out and um something
about Spike being a slave or something

3394
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:39,680
about Spike being a slave or something
 

3395
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,230
about Spike being a slave or something
like that. Um so anyway, I didn't really

3396
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:42,240
like that. Um so anyway, I didn't really
 

3397
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,109
like that. Um so anyway, I didn't really
understand it, but it was uh Michaela

3398
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:45,119
understand it, but it was uh Michaela
 

3399
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:46,789
understand it, but it was uh Michaela
who was like, "You should talk to Lily.

3400
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:46,799
who was like, "You should talk to Lily.
 

3401
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:48,470
who was like, "You should talk to Lily.
You should talk to Lily." Oh, we're

3402
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:48,480
You should talk to Lily." Oh, we're
 

3403
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,870
You should talk to Lily." Oh, we're
getting engaged and I trusted Michaela

3404
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:50,880
getting engaged and I trusted Michaela
 

3405
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,710
getting engaged and I trusted Michaela
at the time. I'm like, okay, well, if

3406
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:52,720
at the time. I'm like, okay, well, if
 

3407
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,230
at the time. I'm like, okay, well, if
Michaela says, she's good and, you know,

3408
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:56,240
Michaela says, she's good and, you know,
 

3409
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,710
Michaela says, she's good and, you know,
maybe she's like me who's gotten beat up

3410
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:58,720
maybe she's like me who's gotten beat up
 

3411
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,589
maybe she's like me who's gotten beat up
by the internet, you know. So, then she

3412
01:08:01,589 --> 01:08:01,599
by the internet, you know. So, then she
 

3413
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:03,349
by the internet, you know. So, then she
kind of wrote me in and she was the one

3414
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:03,359
kind of wrote me in and she was the one
 

3415
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:04,950
kind of wrote me in and she was the one
who wanted to talk to me and I was just

3416
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:04,960
who wanted to talk to me and I was just
 

3417
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,390
who wanted to talk to me and I was just
kind of like like I was in her um I was

3418
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:08,400
kind of like like I was in her um I was
 

3419
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,069
kind of like like I was in her um I was
in her Discord server and

3420
01:08:11,069 --> 01:08:11,079
in her Discord server and
 

3421
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,750
in her Discord server and
um you know, she let me kind of just do

3422
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:13,760
um you know, she let me kind of just do
 

3423
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,589
um you know, she let me kind of just do
whatever. And I didn't realize at the

3424
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:15,599
whatever. And I didn't realize at the
 

3425
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,870
whatever. And I didn't realize at the
time why she she told me she liked me or

3426
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:18,880
time why she she told me she liked me or
 

3427
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,829
time why she she told me she liked me or
she I was attractive multiple times, you

3428
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:21,839
she I was attractive multiple times, you
 

3429
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:24,749
she I was attractive multiple times, you
know, just just stuff like

3430
01:08:24,749 --> 01:08:24,759
know, just just stuff like
 

3431
01:08:24,759 --> 01:08:28,950
know, just just stuff like
that. I don't think from what I can

3432
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:28,960
that. I don't think from what I can
 

3433
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,510
that. I don't think from what I can
recall, I don't think she has ever had a

3434
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:31,520
recall, I don't think she has ever had a
 

3435
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,430
recall, I don't think she has ever had a
single person in her life that she has

3436
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:33,440
single person in her life that she has
 

3437
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,030
single person in her life that she has
been close to in any capacity that she

3438
01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:36,040
been close to in any capacity that she
 

3439
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,349
been close to in any capacity that she
hasn't tried to turn into either a

3440
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:39,359
hasn't tried to turn into either a
 

3441
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,470
hasn't tried to turn into either a
sexual or romantic situation at some

3442
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:42,480
sexual or romantic situation at some
 

3443
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:46,789
sexual or romantic situation at some
point. Mhm. More recently, she's tried

3444
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:46,799
point. Mhm. More recently, she's tried
 

3445
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:49,669
point. Mhm. More recently, she's tried
to twist it and claim that, well, she's

3446
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:49,679
to twist it and claim that, well, she's
 

3447
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,349
to twist it and claim that, well, she's
tried to claim that I was sexually

3448
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:51,359
tried to claim that I was sexually
 

3449
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,149
tried to claim that I was sexually
abusive toward her on numerous

3450
01:08:53,149 --> 01:08:53,159
abusive toward her on numerous
 

3451
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,950
abusive toward her on numerous
occasions. And more recently, she has

3452
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:56,960
occasions. And more recently, she has
 

3453
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,070
occasions. And more recently, she has
just gone fully masked off and has

3454
01:09:00,070 --> 01:09:00,080
just gone fully masked off and has
 

3455
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,149
just gone fully masked off and has
started pushing this narrative that she

3456
01:09:04,149 --> 01:09:04,159
started pushing this narrative that she
 

3457
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:07,269
started pushing this narrative that she
has openly admitted that her and I were

3458
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:07,279
has openly admitted that her and I were
 

3459
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,430
has openly admitted that her and I were
sexual at one point and she's trying to

3460
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:09,440
sexual at one point and she's trying to
 

3461
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,390
sexual at one point and she's trying to
frame it as I wanted it at the time and

3462
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:12,400
frame it as I wanted it at the time and
 

3463
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,630
frame it as I wanted it at the time and
now I'm calling her abusive because I

3464
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:14,640
now I'm calling her abusive because I
 

3465
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,990
now I'm calling her abusive because I
regret it. But here's the thing, Lily

3466
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:18,000
regret it. But here's the thing, Lily
 

3467
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,030
regret it. But here's the thing, Lily
and I, when we knew each other, Lily was

3468
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:21,040
and I, when we knew each other, Lily was
 

3469
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,749
and I, when we knew each other, Lily was
not, there was no indication from her

3470
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:23,759
not, there was no indication from her
 

3471
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,870
not, there was no indication from her
that she was trans. Like, she was fully

3472
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:26,880
that she was trans. Like, she was fully
 

3473
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,950
that she was trans. Like, she was fully
mask mode. Mhm. And I'm a lesbian. So,

3474
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:30,960
mask mode. Mhm. And I'm a lesbian. So,
 

3475
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,950
mask mode. Mhm. And I'm a lesbian. So,
by her claiming openly that we were

3476
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:34,960
by her claiming openly that we were
 

3477
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,590
by her claiming openly that we were
sexual at one point, she's basically

3478
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:37,600
sexual at one point, she's basically
 

3479
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,590
sexual at one point, she's basically
admitting to coercion, right? Because

3480
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:41,600
admitting to coercion, right? Because
 

3481
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,990
admitting to coercion, right? Because
y'all can read in my chat logs how many

3482
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:44,000
y'all can read in my chat logs how many
 

3483
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,470
y'all can read in my chat logs how many
times I told her no. You can see how

3484
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:46,480
times I told her no. You can see how
 

3485
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:49,030
times I told her no. You can see how
guilty I felt over it. How much she

3486
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:49,040
guilty I felt over it. How much she
 

3487
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,990
guilty I felt over it. How much she
tried to break me down both directly and

3488
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:52,000
tried to break me down both directly and
 

3489
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,310
tried to break me down both directly and
through Terra Cali. How often I said I

3490
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:55,320
through Terra Cali. How often I said I
 

3491
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,430
through Terra Cali. How often I said I
can't be with men that way. I'm not

3492
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:59,440
can't be with men that way. I'm not
 

3493
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:02,070
can't be with men that way. I'm not
interested in you that way. And now

3494
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:02,080
interested in you that way. And now
 

3495
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,470
interested in you that way. And now
she's

3496
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:03,480
she's
 

3497
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:07,189
she's
it's it makes my skin crawl how far she

3498
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:07,199
it's it makes my skin crawl how far she
 

3499
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:10,470
it's it makes my skin crawl how far she
has gone with this to where now she she

3500
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:10,480
has gone with this to where now she she
 

3501
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:11,990
has gone with this to where now she she
thinks that she doesn't even need to

3502
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:12,000
thinks that she doesn't even need to
 

3503
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,790
thinks that she doesn't even need to
hide it anymore. Right. If I thought

3504
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:14,800
hide it anymore. Right. If I thought
 

3505
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,750
hide it anymore. Right. If I thought
that I was the only person that she had

3506
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:17,760
that I was the only person that she had
 

3507
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,510
that I was the only person that she had
treated this way, I would never have

3508
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:19,520
treated this way, I would never have
 

3509
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,070
treated this way, I would never have
said anything. It wasn't until I

3510
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:22,080
said anything. It wasn't until I
 

3511
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,189
said anything. It wasn't until I
realized that she was treating other

3512
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:25,199
realized that she was treating other
 

3513
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,990
realized that she was treating other
people like this and that she was using

3514
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:28,000
people like this and that she was using
 

3515
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,550
people like this and that she was using
her platform as a means to lure people

3516
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:31,560
her platform as a means to lure people
 

3517
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,950
her platform as a means to lure people
in and use them,

3518
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:34,960
in and use them,
 

3519
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,750
in and use them,
including minors. Yeah. Like that's the

3520
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:37,760
including minors. Yeah. Like that's the
 

3521
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,669
including minors. Yeah. Like that's the
part that scares me the most because I

3522
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:39,679
part that scares me the most because I
 

3523
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:43,350
part that scares me the most because I
know for a fact that she is into miners

3524
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:43,360
know for a fact that she is into miners
 

3525
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,110
know for a fact that she is into miners
that way. I know for a fact she is into

3526
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:47,120
that way. I know for a fact she is into
 

3527
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,310
that way. I know for a fact she is into
animals that way. She has openly told me

3528
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:50,320
animals that way. She has openly told me
 

3529
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,990
animals that way. She has openly told me
herself.

3530
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:52,000
herself.
 

3531
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,310
herself.
She has written about it in her

3532
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:54,320
She has written about it in her
 

3533
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,630
She has written about it in her
fanfictions

3534
01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:55,640
fanfictions
 

3535
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,990
fanfictions
consistently. Oh, and that reminds me,

3536
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:58,000
consistently. Oh, and that reminds me,
 

3537
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,030
consistently. Oh, and that reminds me,
she did write Stockholm. I was there. I

3538
01:11:01,030 --> 01:11:01,040
she did write Stockholm. I was there. I
 

3539
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,510
she did write Stockholm. I was there. I
was there. I was there when she was

3540
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:03,520
was there. I was there when she was
 

3541
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,430
was there. I was there when she was
writing it. I I didn't know how bad it

3542
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:07,440
writing it. I I didn't know how bad it
 

3543
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:11,430
writing it. I I didn't know how bad it
was until well after the fact, but she

3544
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:11,440
was until well after the fact, but she
 

3545
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:14,709
was until well after the fact, but she
did write Stockholm as it is. It was not

3546
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:14,719
did write Stockholm as it is. It was not
 

3547
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:17,430
did write Stockholm as it is. It was not
edited in any way. She wrote it like

3548
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:17,440
edited in any way. She wrote it like
 

3549
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:20,430
edited in any way. She wrote it like
that and she was proud of it. And

3550
01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:20,440
that and she was proud of it. And
 

3551
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:23,990
that and she was proud of it. And
there's another fick that not a lot of

3552
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:24,000
there's another fick that not a lot of
 

3553
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,030
there's another fick that not a lot of
people know about that came before it,

3554
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:27,040
people know about that came before it,
 

3555
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,470
people know about that came before it,
which in my opinion is somewhat worse

3556
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:30,480
which in my opinion is somewhat worse
 

3557
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:31,630
which in my opinion is somewhat worse
because

3558
01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:31,640
because
 

3559
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,030
because
it's

3560
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:34,040
it's
 

3561
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,590
it's
Stockholm. She tries to use, oh well,

3562
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:37,600
Stockholm. She tries to use, oh well,
 

3563
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,830
Stockholm. She tries to use, oh well,
this bad person was punished in the

3564
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:39,840
this bad person was punished in the
 

3565
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,709
this bad person was punished in the
narrative, so it's fine. Which, first of

3566
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:42,719
narrative, so it's fine. Which, first of
 

3567
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:43,950
narrative, so it's fine. Which, first of
all, isn't

3568
01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:43,960
all, isn't
 

3569
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,790
all, isn't
true. And second of all, the first fic

3570
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:46,800
true. And second of all, the first fic
 

3571
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,830
true. And second of all, the first fic
that she wrote doesn't have any of that.

3572
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:49,840
that she wrote doesn't have any of that.
 

3573
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,750
that she wrote doesn't have any of that.
It's a short. It was written under the

3574
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:53,760
It's a short. It was written under the
 

3575
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,990
It's a short. It was written under the
pen name of her sock puppet, which is

3576
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:56,000
pen name of her sock puppet, which is
 

3577
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,830
pen name of her sock puppet, which is
Alcorative.

3578
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:57,840
Alcorative.
 

3579
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,430
Alcorative.
And the reason I know that's the pen

3580
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:59,440
And the reason I know that's the pen
 

3581
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,630
And the reason I know that's the pen
name of her sock puppet is because there

3582
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:02,640
name of her sock puppet is because there
 

3583
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,870
name of her sock puppet is because there
is a post on the Terra Cali Tumblr where

3584
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:06,880
is a post on the Terra Cali Tumblr where
 

3585
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,110
is a post on the Terra Cali Tumblr where
she takes credit for

3586
01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:10,120
she takes credit for
 

3587
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,030
she takes credit for
it. And the Alcorative username has

3588
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:13,040
it. And the Alcorative username has
 

3589
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,630
it. And the Alcorative username has
popped up in multiple places since Terra

3590
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:16,640
popped up in multiple places since Terra
 

3591
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,350
popped up in multiple places since Terra
Calli's alleged arrest.

3592
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:19,360
Calli's alleged arrest.
 

3593
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,229
Calli's alleged arrest.
There's a fick, which I don't even

3594
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:22,239
There's a fick, which I don't even
 

3595
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:23,669
There's a fick, which I don't even
really want to say the title of it

3596
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:23,679
really want to say the title of it
 

3597
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:24,950
really want to say the title of it
because I don't want people to go

3598
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:24,960
because I don't want people to go
 

3599
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,270
because I don't want people to go
looking it up, but

3600
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:27,280
looking it up, but
 

3601
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,390
looking it up, but
basically it was incestuous because of

3602
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:30,400
basically it was incestuous because of
 

3603
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,270
basically it was incestuous because of
course it was. It

3604
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:32,280
course it was. It
 

3605
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,149
course it was. It
involved an underage OC that was popular

3606
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:36,159
involved an underage OC that was popular
 

3607
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:39,110
involved an underage OC that was popular
at the time, not one of hers, but an OC

3608
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:39,120
at the time, not one of hers, but an OC
 

3609
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,630
at the time, not one of hers, but an OC
from a different different author,

3610
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:40,640
from a different different author,
 

3611
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,510
from a different different author,
different fanfic. And it was this OC and

3612
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:43,520
different fanfic. And it was this OC and
 

3613
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,229
different fanfic. And it was this OC and
Twilight Sparkle. And the story was that

3614
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:46,239
Twilight Sparkle. And the story was that
 

3615
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,030
Twilight Sparkle. And the story was that
Twilight had adopted this young child

3616
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:49,040
Twilight had adopted this young child
 

3617
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,470
Twilight had adopted this young child
OC. The child OC expressed that she had

3618
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:52,480
OC. The child OC expressed that she had
 

3619
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:55,830
OC. The child OC expressed that she had
a crush on Twilight Sparkle. Twilight

3620
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:55,840
a crush on Twilight Sparkle. Twilight
 

3621
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,470
a crush on Twilight Sparkle. Twilight
leaned into it

3622
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:57,480
leaned into it
 

3623
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:01,110
leaned into it
and pretty much the entire fic is one

3624
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:01,120
and pretty much the entire fic is one
 

3625
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,590
and pretty much the entire fic is one
long

3626
01:13:02,590 --> 01:13:02,600
long
 

3627
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,189
long
extremely

3628
01:13:04,189 --> 01:13:04,199
extremely
 

3629
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:09,510
extremely
disturbing bathtub scene. Yeah. Yeah.

3630
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:09,520
disturbing bathtub scene. Yeah. Yeah.
 

3631
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,590
disturbing bathtub scene. Yeah. Yeah.
It's extremely graphic. It's It is a

3632
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:13,600
It's extremely graphic. It's It is a
 

3633
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,630
It's extremely graphic. It's It is a
child predator's wet dream, like full

3634
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:16,640
child predator's wet dream, like full
 

3635
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,189
child predator's wet dream, like full
stop. And that was basically Stockholm

3636
01:13:20,189 --> 01:13:20,199
stop. And that was basically Stockholm
 

3637
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,870
stop. And that was basically Stockholm
1.0 because she wrote that before she

3638
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:22,880
1.0 because she wrote that before she
 

3639
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,910
1.0 because she wrote that before she
ended up writing Stockholm. And I think

3640
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:25,920
ended up writing Stockholm. And I think
 

3641
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,470
ended up writing Stockholm. And I think
she wrote that under a different name to

3642
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:28,480
she wrote that under a different name to
 

3643
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,669
she wrote that under a different name to
see if she could get away with it and

3644
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:31,679
see if she could get away with it and
 

3645
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:35,110
see if she could get away with it and
see what her audience reaction would be.

3646
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:35,120
see what her audience reaction would be.
 

3647
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,630
see what her audience reaction would be.
Mhm.

3648
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:36,640
Mhm.
 

3649
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,630
Mhm.
And then she went even further and wrote

3650
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:38,640
And then she went even further and wrote
 

3651
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,030
And then she went even further and wrote
Stockholm

3652
01:13:40,030 --> 01:13:40,040
Stockholm
 

3653
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,590
Stockholm
and completely tormented her co-author

3654
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:43,600
and completely tormented her co-author
 

3655
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,149
and completely tormented her co-author
throughout that entire process. Like in

3656
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:46,159
throughout that entire process. Like in
 

3657
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,590
throughout that entire process. Like in
what way? The

3658
01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:48,600
what way? The
 

3659
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,510
what way? The
co-author was a lot like me at the time.

3660
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:52,520
co-author was a lot like me at the time.
 

3661
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,430
co-author was a lot like me at the time.
She's she was very sweet, shy,

3662
01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:56,440
She's she was very sweet, shy,
 

3663
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,470
She's she was very sweet, shy,
softspoken. She didn't really stand up

3664
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:58,480
softspoken. She didn't really stand up
 

3665
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:02,110
softspoken. She didn't really stand up
for herself a lot. And what I've

3666
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:02,120
for herself a lot. And what I've
 

3667
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,630
for herself a lot. And what I've
gathered, you know, after coming back to

3668
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:04,640
gathered, you know, after coming back to
 

3669
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,550
gathered, you know, after coming back to
this and looking through some of the

3670
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:06,560
this and looking through some of the
 

3671
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,430
this and looking through some of the
archive public posts, Lily, there's a

3672
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:09,440
archive public posts, Lily, there's a
 

3673
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:12,070
archive public posts, Lily, there's a
post of an interaction between Lily and

3674
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:12,080
post of an interaction between Lily and
 

3675
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,790
post of an interaction between Lily and
her where Lily straight up says, "You're

3676
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:14,800
her where Lily straight up says, "You're
 

3677
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,950
her where Lily straight up says, "You're
talking to the person who convinced her

3678
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:16,960
talking to the person who convinced her
 

3679
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,750
talking to the person who convinced her
to write Rainbow Dash as a pedophile."

3680
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:19,760
to write Rainbow Dash as a pedophile."
 

3681
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,950
to write Rainbow Dash as a pedophile."
There's posts of the co-author talking

3682
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:22,960
There's posts of the co-author talking
 

3683
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,390
There's posts of the co-author talking
about how it was extremely difficult for

3684
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:26,400
about how it was extremely difficult for
 

3685
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,270
about how it was extremely difficult for
her to be involved in that to the point

3686
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:29,280
her to be involved in that to the point
 

3687
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,830
her to be involved in that to the point
where she'd have emotional breakdowns

3688
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:31,840
where she'd have emotional breakdowns
 

3689
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,470
where she'd have emotional breakdowns
about it. And at one point there was a

3690
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:34,480
about it. And at one point there was a
 

3691
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,470
about it. And at one point there was a
scene where that Lily wanted to do that

3692
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:38,480
scene where that Lily wanted to do that
 

3693
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:39,790
scene where that Lily wanted to do that
was

3694
01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:39,800
was
 

3695
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,950
was
so dark and so awful that she had such a

3696
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:44,960
so dark and so awful that she had such a
 

3697
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,950
so dark and so awful that she had such a
massive emotional breakdown about it

3698
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:46,960
massive emotional breakdown about it
 

3699
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,950
massive emotional breakdown about it
that Lily that was the one scene that

3700
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:49,960
that Lily that was the one scene that
 

3701
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,189
that Lily that was the one scene that
Lily decided not to put in. And

3702
01:14:54,189 --> 01:14:54,199
Lily decided not to put in. And
 

3703
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:57,030
Lily decided not to put in. And
eventually the co-author was kicked off

3704
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:57,040
eventually the co-author was kicked off
 

3705
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,750
eventually the co-author was kicked off
of the project by Lily because she

3706
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:59,760
of the project by Lily because she
 

3707
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,830
of the project by Lily because she
started pushing back too much on things

3708
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:01,840
started pushing back too much on things
 

3709
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,669
started pushing back too much on things
that Lily wanted to do.

3710
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:05,679
that Lily wanted to do.
 

3711
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:09,030
that Lily wanted to do.
And I I truly think Lily gets off on

3712
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:09,040
And I I truly think Lily gets off on
 

3713
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,750
And I I truly think Lily gets off on
doing that kind of [\h__\h] to people. She

3714
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:11,760
doing that kind of [\h__\h] to people. She
 

3715
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,229
doing that kind of [\h__\h] to people. She
likes breaking people down. She likes

3716
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:14,239
likes breaking people down. She likes
 

3717
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,630
likes breaking people down. She likes
pushing boundaries.

3718
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:16,640
pushing boundaries.
 

3719
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:17,630
pushing boundaries.
She

3720
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:17,640
She
 

3721
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,229
She
likes feeling like she has the control

3722
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:20,239
likes feeling like she has the control
 

3723
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:23,910
likes feeling like she has the control
and the ability to force coarse and

3724
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:23,920
and the ability to force coarse and
 

3725
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,189
and the ability to force coarse and
manipulate people into

3726
01:15:26,189 --> 01:15:26,199
manipulate people into
 

3727
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:28,990
manipulate people into
doing or being a part of

3728
01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:29,000
doing or being a part of
 

3729
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,270
doing or being a part of
really dark and disgusting

3730
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:32,280
really dark and disgusting
 

3731
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,630
really dark and disgusting
[\h__\h] She she has no remorse.

3732
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:36,640
[\h__\h] She she has no remorse.
 

3733
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,390
[\h__\h] She she has no remorse.
And anytime she falls out with somebody,

3734
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:40,400
And anytime she falls out with somebody,
 

3735
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,229
And anytime she falls out with somebody,
if someone walks away from her, or if

3736
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:42,239
if someone walks away from her, or if
 

3737
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:43,709
if someone walks away from her, or if
she discards

3738
01:15:43,709 --> 01:15:43,719
she discards
 

3739
01:15:43,719 --> 01:15:45,709
she discards
someone, she will

3740
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:45,719
someone, she will
 

3741
01:15:45,719 --> 01:15:48,229
someone, she will
either act like she never really knew

3742
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:48,239
either act like she never really knew
 

3743
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:49,750
either act like she never really knew
the person that well and they weren't

3744
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:49,760
the person that well and they weren't
 

3745
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,350
the person that well and they weren't
close at all. She'll try and say that

3746
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:53,360
close at all. She'll try and say that
 

3747
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,550
close at all. She'll try and say that
she was the victim in the

3748
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:55,560
she was the victim in the
 

3749
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,630
she was the victim in the
situation. Or she'll just write them off

3750
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:58,640
situation. Or she'll just write them off
 

3751
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,030
situation. Or she'll just write them off
as a insert bigot here. It's it's never

3752
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:03,040
as a insert bigot here. It's it's never
 

3753
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,510
as a insert bigot here. It's it's never
her fault. She's always the victim and

3754
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:05,520
her fault. She's always the victim and
 

3755
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,830
her fault. She's always the victim and
she uses that to lure people in. She

3756
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:07,840
she uses that to lure people in. She
 

3757
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,149
she uses that to lure people in. She
used it with me. With me it was she was

3758
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:10,159
used it with me. With me it was she was
 

3759
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,590
used it with me. With me it was she was
a victim of her family. With Lizzy, I'm

3760
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:13,600
a victim of her family. With Lizzy, I'm
 

3761
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,590
a victim of her family. With Lizzy, I'm
sure it was she was a victim of her

3762
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:15,600
sure it was she was a victim of her
 

3763
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,390
sure it was she was a victim of her
family and a victim of me. Then it was,

3764
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:18,400
family and a victim of me. Then it was,
 

3765
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,630
family and a victim of me. Then it was,
"Oh, I'm a victim of Lizzy." Like it

3766
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:20,640
"Oh, I'm a victim of Lizzy." Like it
 

3767
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,310
"Oh, I'm a victim of Lizzy." Like it
that's always how it goes. She will get

3768
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:24,320
that's always how it goes. She will get
 

3769
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,709
that's always how it goes. She will get
a hold of

3770
01:16:25,709 --> 01:16:25,719
a hold of
 

3771
01:16:25,719 --> 01:16:28,870
a hold of
people. She will use them until they

3772
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:28,880
people. She will use them until they
 

3773
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,510
people. She will use them until they
can't take it anymore. She'll throw them

3774
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:31,520
can't take it anymore. She'll throw them
 

3775
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,229
can't take it anymore. She'll throw them
away. And then she will paint herself as

3776
01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:34,239
away. And then she will paint herself as
 

3777
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:37,750
away. And then she will paint herself as
the victim to get someone else in. Mhm.

3778
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:37,760
the victim to get someone else in. Mhm.
 

3779
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,990
the victim to get someone else in. Mhm.
And it genuinely scares me that she's

3780
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:40,000
And it genuinely scares me that she's
 

3781
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,270
And it genuinely scares me that she's
had a platform for as long as she has.

3782
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:43,280
had a platform for as long as she has.
 

3783
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,790
had a platform for as long as she has.
Yeah. I mean, that's what she's kind of

3784
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:44,800
Yeah. I mean, that's what she's kind of
 

3785
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,310
Yeah. I mean, that's what she's kind of
starting to do with me. I think she's

3786
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:46,320
starting to do with me. I think she's
 

3787
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,709
starting to do with me. I think she's
kind of doesn't know what what I'm going

3788
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:48,719
kind of doesn't know what what I'm going
 

3789
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,950
kind of doesn't know what what I'm going
to do from what I can tell. But like

3790
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:50,960
to do from what I can tell. But like
 

3791
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,750
to do from what I can tell. But like
she's like, "Oh, KP got upset about this

3792
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:53,760
she's like, "Oh, KP got upset about this
 

3793
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,590
she's like, "Oh, KP got upset about this
thing." And I'm just like, "No, that's

3794
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:55,600
thing." And I'm just like, "No, that's
 

3795
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,229
thing." And I'm just like, "No, that's
not that's not what happened." Yeah.

3796
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:58,239
not that's not what happened." Yeah.
 

3797
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,790
not that's not what happened." Yeah.
That's that's what she always does. Like

3798
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:00,800
That's that's what she always does. Like
 

3799
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,870
That's that's what she always does. Like
if someone falls out with her, before

3800
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:02,880
if someone falls out with her, before
 

3801
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,590
if someone falls out with her, before
they can start talking about what they

3802
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:05,600
they can start talking about what they
 

3803
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,910
they can start talking about what they
went through, she will start weaving a

3804
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:07,920
went through, she will start weaving a
 

3805
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,630
went through, she will start weaving a
narrative to cover her ass and discredit

3806
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:10,640
narrative to cover her ass and discredit
 

3807
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,470
narrative to cover her ass and discredit
whoever she thinks is going to start

3808
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:12,480
whoever she thinks is going to start
 

3809
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,630
whoever she thinks is going to start
talking about her. Yeah, that was

3810
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:14,640
talking about her. Yeah, that was
 

3811
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,229
talking about her. Yeah, that was
something we noticed like as soon as I

3812
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:16,239
something we noticed like as soon as I
 

3813
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:17,669
something we noticed like as soon as I
was done with that call, she was on

3814
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:17,679
was done with that call, she was on
 

3815
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:20,790
was done with that call, she was on
Tumblr like allegedly with a um well,

3816
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:20,800
Tumblr like allegedly with a um well,
 

3817
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,390
Tumblr like allegedly with a um well,
she was in the hospital like I know she

3818
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:22,400
she was in the hospital like I know she
 

3819
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,270
she was in the hospital like I know she
she was a bad liar, but um she's like,

3820
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:25,280
she was a bad liar, but um she's like,
 

3821
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,470
she was a bad liar, but um she's like,
"I feel so used." And like it was like a

3822
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:28,480
"I feel so used." And like it was like a
 

3823
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,590
"I feel so used." And like it was like a
3minut clock. I'm just like, "Yeah,

3824
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:31,600
3minut clock. I'm just like, "Yeah,
 

3825
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,910
3minut clock. I'm just like, "Yeah,
she's

3826
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:33,920
she's
 

3827
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,470
she's
she's one of the biggest projectors I

3828
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:36,480
she's one of the biggest projectors I
 

3829
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:39,030
she's one of the biggest projectors I
have ever witnessed in my [\h__\h] life."

3830
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:39,040
have ever witnessed in my [\h__\h] life."
 

3831
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,229
have ever witnessed in my [\h__\h] life."
Like, she will shamelessly take whatever

3832
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:42,239
Like, she will shamelessly take whatever
 

3833
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,990
Like, she will shamelessly take whatever
she did to you and flip it to where she

3834
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:46,000
she did to you and flip it to where she
 

3835
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,669
she did to you and flip it to where she
was the victim of the thing that she did

3836
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:47,679
was the victim of the thing that she did
 

3837
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:50,950
was the victim of the thing that she did
to you, right? And she has done it with

3838
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:50,960
to you, right? And she has done it with
 

3839
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,709
to you, right? And she has done it with
every single person that I have seen

3840
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:54,719
every single person that I have seen
 

3841
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:57,830
every single person that I have seen
roll through her general orbit over the

3842
01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:57,840
roll through her general orbit over the
 

3843
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,709
roll through her general orbit over the
years.

3844
01:17:59,709 --> 01:17:59,719
years.
 

3845
01:17:59,719 --> 01:18:03,750
years.
Mhm. Um, any notes to end on that you

3846
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:03,760
Mhm. Um, any notes to end on that you
 

3847
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,550
Mhm. Um, any notes to end on that you
want to add? Um, well, besides

3848
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:07,560
want to add? Um, well, besides
 

3849
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,350
want to add? Um, well, besides
Yeah. Well, if anyone out there is still

3850
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:11,360
Yeah. Well, if anyone out there is still
 

3851
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,590
Yeah. Well, if anyone out there is still
in Lily's camp and thinks I'm a no good,

3852
01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:14,600
in Lily's camp and thinks I'm a no good,
 

3853
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,550
in Lily's camp and thinks I'm a no good,
lying full of [\h__\h] whatever, I've got

3854
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:18,560
lying full of [\h__\h] whatever, I've got
 

3855
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,950
lying full of [\h__\h] whatever, I've got
my chat logs that back up everything

3856
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:20,960
my chat logs that back up everything
 

3857
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,950
my chat logs that back up everything
I've said here in regards to my

3858
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:22,960
I've said here in regards to my
 

3859
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,550
I've said here in regards to my
interactions with her and the sock

3860
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:24,560
interactions with her and the sock
 

3861
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,950
interactions with her and the sock
puppet. There is a ton of archived

3862
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:28,960
puppet. There is a ton of archived
 

3863
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,229
puppet. There is a ton of archived
evidence of her own public Tumblr posts

3864
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:32,239
evidence of her own public Tumblr posts
 

3865
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,709
evidence of her own public Tumblr posts
that she has long since deleted. There

3866
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:34,719
that she has long since deleted. There
 

3867
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:38,310
that she has long since deleted. There
is archived evidence of the two fanfics

3868
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:38,320
is archived evidence of the two fanfics
 

3869
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,430
is archived evidence of the two fanfics
that I've mentioned here. They are not

3870
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:41,440
that I've mentioned here. They are not
 

3871
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,750
that I've mentioned here. They are not
edited in any way. None of us have the

3872
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:43,760
edited in any way. None of us have the
 

3873
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,510
edited in any way. None of us have the
time or the desire to edit 10ish years

3874
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:47,520
time or the desire to edit 10ish years
 

3875
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,870
time or the desire to edit 10ish years
worth of

3876
01:18:49,870 --> 01:18:49,880
worth of
 

3877
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,950
worth of
[\h__\h] And you cannot a lot of the public

3878
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:52,960
[\h__\h] And you cannot a lot of the public
 

3879
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,270
[\h__\h] And you cannot a lot of the public
Tumblr posts aren't just screenshot

3880
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:55,280
Tumblr posts aren't just screenshot
 

3881
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,110
Tumblr posts aren't just screenshot
they're archived on the way back machine

3882
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:57,120
they're archived on the way back machine
 

3883
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,189
they're archived on the way back machine
which you as far as I know you can't

3884
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:59,199
which you as far as I know you can't
 

3885
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,510
which you as far as I know you can't
edit that like right it's a snapshot of

3886
01:19:01,510 --> 01:19:01,520
edit that like right it's a snapshot of
 

3887
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,470
edit that like right it's a snapshot of
a web page like you can't no you can't

3888
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:04,480
a web page like you can't no you can't
 

3889
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:08,990
a web page like you can't no you can't
just go in and mess with that. Mhm.

3890
01:19:08,990 --> 01:19:09,000
just go in and mess with that. Mhm.
 

3891
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,630
just go in and mess with that. Mhm.
So yeah there's there's ton there's

3892
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:12,640
So yeah there's there's ton there's
 

3893
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,470
So yeah there's there's ton there's
years worth of testimony and there's

3894
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:14,480
years worth of testimony and there's
 

3895
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,030
years worth of testimony and there's
years worth of documented archive

3896
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:17,040
years worth of documented archive
 

3897
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,550
years worth of documented archive
evidence of all of this stuff. Mhm. And

3898
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:20,560
evidence of all of this stuff. Mhm. And
 

3899
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,390
evidence of all of this stuff. Mhm. And
where can people find you if they um

3900
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:22,400
where can people find you if they um
 

3901
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,189
where can people find you if they um
they have more questions? My Tumblr blog

3902
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:25,199
they have more questions? My Tumblr blog
 

3903
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:28,790
they have more questions? My Tumblr blog
is Brits Galaxy Brain. I've kind of

3904
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:28,800
is Brits Galaxy Brain. I've kind of
 

3905
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,030
is Brits Galaxy Brain. I've kind of
stepped away for now, but I still check

3906
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:31,040
stepped away for now, but I still check
 

3907
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,110
stepped away for now, but I still check
in from time to time in case anyone

3908
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:33,120
in from time to time in case anyone
 

3909
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:37,590
in from time to time in case anyone
wants to DM me or send me asks. Mhm. You

3910
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:37,600
wants to DM me or send me asks. Mhm. You
 

3911
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,590
wants to DM me or send me asks. Mhm. You
can reach me on there. Cool. Well, sorry

3912
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:41,600
can reach me on there. Cool. Well, sorry
 

3913
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,149
can reach me on there. Cool. Well, sorry
that this isn't a fun conversation, but

3914
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:44,159
that this isn't a fun conversation, but
 

3915
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,510
that this isn't a fun conversation, but
I appreciate your time.

3916
01:19:46,510 --> 01:19:46,520
I appreciate your time.
 

3917
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,669
I appreciate your time.
[Music]

3918
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:47,679
[Music]
 

3919
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:49,350
[Music]
H this is something I've wanted to get

3920
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:49,360
H this is something I've wanted to get
 

3921
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,149
H this is something I've wanted to get
out for a while. So, thank you for

3922
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:52,159
out for a while. So, thank you for
 

3923
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,070
out for a while. So, thank you for
letting me come on and giving me a

3924
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:54,080
letting me come on and giving me a
 

3925
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,030
letting me come on and giving me a
platform. Yeah, of course. I just

3926
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:57,040
platform. Yeah, of course. I just
 

3927
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,390
platform. Yeah, of course. I just
remembered this. This is something I

3928
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:58,400
remembered this. This is something I
 

3929
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,790
remembered this. This is something I
wanted to bring up. In terms of her old

3930
01:20:00,790 --> 01:20:00,800
wanted to bring up. In terms of her old
 

3931
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,030
wanted to bring up. In terms of her old
fanfics in Stockholm and whatnot, the

3932
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:03,040
fanfics in Stockholm and whatnot, the
 

3933
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,110
fanfics in Stockholm and whatnot, the
fanfix that she swears up and down she

3934
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:05,120
fanfix that she swears up and down she
 

3935
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,790
fanfix that she swears up and down she
didn't write and has no idea what

3936
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:06,800
didn't write and has no idea what
 

3937
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,709
didn't write and has no idea what
anyone's talking about. One of the

3938
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:08,719
anyone's talking about. One of the
 

3939
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:11,030
anyone's talking about. One of the
characters that she still uses to this

3940
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:11,040
characters that she still uses to this
 

3941
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,350
characters that she still uses to this
day and that people still draw art of to

3942
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:13,360
day and that people still draw art of to
 

3943
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,950
day and that people still draw art of to
this day is from one of her Stockholm

3944
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:16,960
this day is from one of her Stockholm
 

3945
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,630
this day is from one of her Stockholm
installations

3946
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:18,640
installations
 

3947
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,430
installations
cuz there was actually a handful of

3948
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:21,440
cuz there was actually a handful of
 

3949
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,510
cuz there was actually a handful of
them. Like it was a series. It wasn't

3950
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:23,520
them. Like it was a series. It wasn't
 

3951
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,350
them. Like it was a series. It wasn't
just one fig. Her character Sage, who is

3952
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:27,360
just one fig. Her character Sage, who is
 

3953
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,189
just one fig. Her character Sage, who is
the rainbow, more feminine boy character

3954
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:31,199
the rainbow, more feminine boy character
 

3955
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:34,070
the rainbow, more feminine boy character
that she has right now. Originally, Sage

3956
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:34,080
that she has right now. Originally, Sage
 

3957
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,350
that she has right now. Originally, Sage
was Spectrum Dash from the Stockholm

3958
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:37,360
was Spectrum Dash from the Stockholm
 

3959
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,709
was Spectrum Dash from the Stockholm
installation of the Dash family, who was

3960
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:40,719
installation of the Dash family, who was
 

3961
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:44,550
installation of the Dash family, who was
the son of Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy,

3962
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:44,560
the son of Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy,
 

3963
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,790
the son of Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy,
who, if I remember correctly, in the

3964
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:46,800
who, if I remember correctly, in the
 

3965
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,430
who, if I remember correctly, in the
Dash family was in an incestuous

3966
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:49,440
Dash family was in an incestuous
 

3967
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:52,550
Dash family was in an incestuous
relationship with his sibling and both

3968
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:52,560
relationship with his sibling and both
 

3969
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,510
relationship with his sibling and both
of his parents. M and that is a

3970
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:55,520
of his parents. M and that is a
 

3971
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,630
of his parents. M and that is a
character that she still uses rebranded

3972
01:20:58,630 --> 01:20:58,640
character that she still uses rebranded
 

3973
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,070
character that she still uses rebranded
and pretends that she has no idea where

3974
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:02,080
and pretends that she has no idea where
 

3975
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,830
and pretends that she has no idea where
he came from. I mean like that was she's

3976
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:05,840
he came from. I mean like that was she's
 

3977
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,630
he came from. I mean like that was she's
just a bad liar. Like I hate to I mean

3978
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:08,640
just a bad liar. Like I hate to I mean
 

3979
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,950
just a bad liar. Like I hate to I mean
it's I I just remember like up to the

3980
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:10,960
it's I I just remember like up to the
 

3981
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,350
it's I I just remember like up to the
call is just like oh I I broke my leg.

3982
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:14,360
call is just like oh I I broke my leg.
 

3983
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,750
call is just like oh I I broke my leg.
Lizzy did a thing. And I'm just like oh

3984
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:17,760
Lizzy did a thing. And I'm just like oh
 

3985
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:19,830
Lizzy did a thing. And I'm just like oh
see that's an old story of hers too that

3986
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:19,840
see that's an old story of hers too that
 

3987
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,669
see that's an old story of hers too that
she's recycled. Mhm. cuz back in the day

3988
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:23,679
she's recycled. Mhm. cuz back in the day
 

3989
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:27,510
she's recycled. Mhm. cuz back in the day
she claimed to have a limp from an

3990
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:27,520
she claimed to have a limp from an
 

3991
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,910
she claimed to have a limp from an
alleged ex-girlfriend stabbing her

3992
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:29,920
alleged ex-girlfriend stabbing her
 

3993
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,110
alleged ex-girlfriend stabbing her
either in the back or in the leg. She's

3994
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:33,120
either in the back or in the leg. She's
 

3995
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,030
either in the back or in the leg. She's
claimed to have been stabbed in the eye

3996
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:35,040
claimed to have been stabbed in the eye
 

3997
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,390
claimed to have been stabbed in the eye
with a nail file. Not only is she a bad

3998
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:38,400
with a nail file. Not only is she a bad
 

3999
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,189
with a nail file. Not only is she a bad
liar, but she recycles a lot of her old

4000
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:41,199
liar, but she recycles a lot of her old
 

4001
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,870
liar, but she recycles a lot of her old
stories, but because she has her

4002
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:43,880
stories, but because she has her
 

4003
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,030
stories, but because she has her
audience so scared to look into any of

4004
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:47,040
audience so scared to look into any of
 

4005
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,950
audience so scared to look into any of
this because they're afraid that they're

4006
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:48,960
this because they're afraid that they're
 

4007
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,149
this because they're afraid that they're
going to be wrong and end up being as

4008
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:52,159
going to be wrong and end up being as
 

4009
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,709
going to be wrong and end up being as
bad as the evil, bigoted stalkers that

4010
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:54,719
bad as the evil, bigoted stalkers that
 

4011
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:56,950
bad as the evil, bigoted stalkers that
are after her. They don't go research

4012
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:56,960
are after her. They don't go research
 

4013
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,430
are after her. They don't go research
this stuff because she's got them

4014
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:59,440
this stuff because she's got them
 

4015
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:02,470
this stuff because she's got them
convinced that it's all fake. It's all a

4016
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:02,480
convinced that it's all fake. It's all a
 

4017
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,870
convinced that it's all fake. It's all a
smear campaign. We're all out to get her

4018
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:04,880
smear campaign. We're all out to get her
 

4019
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,550
smear campaign. We're all out to get her
because she's trans. were all out to get

4020
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:06,560
because she's trans. were all out to get
 

4021
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,310
because she's trans. were all out to get
her because she's indigenous, which

4022
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:08,320
her because she's indigenous, which
 

4023
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,950
her because she's indigenous, which
she's not. It's it it doesn't have

4024
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:10,960
she's not. It's it it doesn't have
 

4025
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,189
she's not. It's it it doesn't have
anything to do with any of that. It has

4026
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:13,199
anything to do with any of that. It has
 

4027
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:15,510
anything to do with any of that. It has
to do with the fact that she is a

4028
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:15,520
to do with the fact that she is a
 

4029
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,149
to do with the fact that she is a
genuinely

4030
01:22:17,149 --> 01:22:17,159
genuinely
 

4031
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:20,950
genuinely
monstrous, disgusting person who should

4032
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:20,960
monstrous, disgusting person who should
 

4033
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,790
monstrous, disgusting person who should
not have a platform, who should not be

4034
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:22,800
not have a platform, who should not be
 

4035
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,270
not have a platform, who should not be
allowed around kids or animals or really

4036
01:22:26,270 --> 01:22:26,280
allowed around kids or animals or really
 

4037
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:29,430
allowed around kids or animals or really
any vulnerable individual.

4038
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:29,440
any vulnerable individual.
 

4039
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,270
any vulnerable individual.
Mhm. Especially if you've been through

4040
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:31,280
Mhm. Especially if you've been through
 

4041
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,030
Mhm. Especially if you've been through
any kind of abuse because she will

4042
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:33,040
any kind of abuse because she will
 

4043
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,750
any kind of abuse because she will
exploit the [\h__\h] out of that. So, there

4044
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:35,760
exploit the [\h__\h] out of that. So, there
 

4045
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,430
exploit the [\h__\h] out of that. So, there
you have it. The thing to remember is

4046
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:37,440
you have it. The thing to remember is
 

4047
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,110
you have it. The thing to remember is
that I beat my horrible claims with

4048
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:39,120
that I beat my horrible claims with
 

4049
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,110
that I beat my horrible claims with
proof, confessions, and general hard

4050
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:41,120
proof, confessions, and general hard
 

4051
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,510
proof, confessions, and general hard
facts. Lily and Michaela, to a lesser

4052
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:43,520
facts. Lily and Michaela, to a lesser
 

4053
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,510
facts. Lily and Michaela, to a lesser
extent, don't have that privilege. So,

4054
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:45,520
extent, don't have that privilege. So,
 

4055
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:46,790
extent, don't have that privilege. So,
that's why I thought it was important to

4056
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:46,800
that's why I thought it was important to
 

4057
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,310
that's why I thought it was important to
make this video. I'd appreciate if you

4058
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:48,320
make this video. I'd appreciate if you
 

4059
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,750
make this video. I'd appreciate if you
spread it around and note that this

4060
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:49,760
spread it around and note that this
 

4061
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,270
spread it around and note that this
video is not going to be monetized in

4062
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:51,280
video is not going to be monetized in
 

4063
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,030
video is not going to be monetized in
any way. I don't plan to make any other

4064
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:53,040
any way. I don't plan to make any other
 

4065
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,629
any way. I don't plan to make any other
videos about Lily. A lot of other

4066
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:54,639
videos about Lily. A lot of other
 

4067
01:22:54,639 --> 01:22:56,310
videos about Lily. A lot of other
YouTubers are doing something similar,

4068
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:56,320
YouTubers are doing something similar,
 

4069
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,669
YouTubers are doing something similar,
unless things just kind of get stupid. I

4070
01:22:59,669 --> 01:22:59,679
unless things just kind of get stupid. I
 

4071
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:02,070
unless things just kind of get stupid. I
ain't free to nobody. Stay safe out

4072
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:02,080
ain't free to nobody. Stay safe out
 

4073
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,480
ain't free to nobody. Stay safe out
there.