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video. Hello viewers, welcome to another
segment of Maybe the internet was a big
[\h__\h] mistake.
>> Big mistake. Big huge.
>> On a more serious note, this video
covers sexual gratification as well as
general sexual harassment. And it's a
very depressing story. If you're a kid
who somehow got past the age
restriction, please go away now. Just
go. Now, I don't like covering these
stories. We're an animation channel. We
cover very important stuff like Disney
and not Disney things sometimes, but I
like to think of myself like the John
Stewart of the YouTube animation
community. I call things out when I feel
like I can add something to the
conversation. And it's important to talk
about when YouTubers are misusing their
platform. So, what's the no fun
situation? Because I hate it here.
>> I don't want to be alive anymore.
>> I have chosen not to keep this person
anonymous because I believe this is not
a mistake or a slip of the tongue. This
is an active attempt of slander and
misogyny and that's just not acceptable.
Also, this incident wasn't freely
admitted to me. I had to have someone
else tell me that this was going on in a
professional setting
>> and he couldn't even tell me himself.
>> Chris was a team member roughly from
2014 to 2015. I know I'm old. Chris was
generally a nice guy in my time knowing
him, but he exhibited weird behavior
like you just draw this for your boss,
right? If memory serves, there's also a
nude version.
>> That's disgusting.
>> He was also my first trip to Everfree
Northwest, the one we did the blog
about. He's this guy here. The story is
as follows. I'm not going to read it
myself because it's going to make me
sick. So, I'm just going to have someone
else read it.
>> At some point over the last few years,
Chris told this story allegedly several
times that in the bathroom of the hotel
where the group was staying, he was
masturbating to KP's clothing. Chris
states that this is a lie as he was
actually constipated during the trip and
there were no witnesses to his
masturbation story in or near the hotel
room. We don't know the details about
who the story was told to besides the
whistleblower who will remain anonymous,
but it was likely Will Ryan, head of the
YouTube channel DA Games, as Chris and
Will are friends as well as friends
andor employees of that YouTube channel.
Chris also started working for DA Games
shortly after leaving the I Love
Composible Law production team. So, the
timelines track. Once KP was informed
that this incident took place, she
confronted him via text and an audio
confession. The audio is linked in the
description if you would like to listen
to the whole thing yourself.
>> All right. Well, first I think it's the
obvious thing is one
just want to profusely apologize for
that terrible [\h__\h] thing. I did.
>> Mhm.
>> And that God
was an absolute horrible person so many
years ago and you didn't deserve that.
So,
>> right. Um, so I have a couple of things.
So, my source says, um, you told the
story in front of Will and Sean, a
couple other people. Is that correct?
>> Uh, that would probably be correct.
Yeah. So Will has heard this story
probably in passing a couple of times,
correct?
>> Yeah, probably once.
>> Okay. Um, same with Sean.
>> Yeah, Sean.
>> Okay. Did you talk to Shawn um uh
privately about anything else that
happened when you were working on the
team that I don't know about?
>> Not that I can remember.
>> Okay.
Nothing I say is meant to
uh excuse what I did because it's
inexcusable what I did.
>> Can you do you want me to say what what
what what the story was just for context
or do you want to explain it?
>> Uh
I mean I guess it makes more sense if I
do because I don't think it's fair for
you to have to reiterate that horrible
thing.
>> Sure. Go ahead.
>> Uh, yeah. So the old um
tale goes is that I pleasured myself in
the hotel bathroom we were sharing
during one of our breaks when everyone
was gone and whatever and that I fell
off the John
uh after
uh basically getting lightheaded from
what would be ejaculation falling on the
or where your dirty clothes also
happened to be and that my face planted
on your underwear,
>> right? And
>> part of my PD version, I have a
six-year-old in the other room. So,
>> okay, I wasn't aware of that, but thanks
for being honest.
>> Chris in his audio testimony assured his
other boss, YouTuber Sabers Spark,
wasn't told this story, but it's unclear
how truthful Chris is being when he says
that. Chris also tries to steer the
conversation to not include too much
explicitly, stating that quote, "There
is a baby in the other room."
But that also might have been a ploy to
lessen the harshness of the anger
present. Regardless, since Chris says he
was lying about the whole incident, it's
difficult to take his word on anything
due to this lie and the actions he took
regarding it.
>> So, once I was informed of this
information and got Chris admitting to
it, I sent that proof to Sabers Spark
through mutual friends and to DA Games.
After reaching out twice and waiting
months for any private messages, I
eventually received someone at DA Games
in their totally real HR department that
totally exists, even though I couldn't
find any proof of it online that's
totally not run by Will's roommate who's
financially dependent on him. And for
the record, I assume Chris knew he was
being recorded because it was a call
about safety. It only gets worse from
here.
>> I'm going to need every last drop of
this. Let's bring a political
comparison. For those who forgot or are
not American, good for you. The 2016
leak of the Hollywood Access tape was a
big deal. In a bus, we have an orange
man who shall not be named. And Billy
Bush, a member of the Bush family. He's
a cousin of President George W. Bush, or
as my Gen Z audience would know, the
shoe guy.
>> Who throws a shoe? Honestly,
>> orange man was talking about women in an
inappropriate way. Google it if you want
to. This whole script is giving me a
[\h__\h] headache.
>> You know, I'm automatically attracted to
Beautiful. I just start kissing them.
It's like a magnet.
>> Now, even though this was in 2005 and
leaked in 2016, and even though Billy
Bush was now working for the Today Show
and not Hollywood Access, where the tape
was obtained, Bush was still fired on
moral grounds, not contract obligations.
It seems like keeping him on staff would
be a bad look for the Today Show,
despite this happening over 10 years
ago. Imagine that. So, I find this
before his contract excuse to be weak at
best. The ironic thing is Bush was
mostly going along with what was said.
Chris actually did more than Bush did
and suffered less consequences. As well,
if Chris told the story multiple times,
I would assume one of those times was
after his contract was signed. But don't
worry, Chris can still run for
president.
Just listen to how Bush described it
affecting his family. What was it like
for you to go back home after the tape
had been released to face your
daughters, your wife? What was that
moment like for you?
>> Well, the initial moments were uh total
chaos. The paparazzi were never
interested in me before and now they're
outside the gate and ready to go. And
but once we settled um
and got to connect, there was a powerful
moment. my
now 16-year-old daughter called me and
she was in tears and she was really
upset and I I said, "Mary, it's it's
going to be okay. You know, don't
worry." And she said, "No, why were you
laughing at the things that he was
saying on that bus? Why were you playing
along with that? It wasn't funny." I
said, "Mary, I am sorry and there is no
good answer for that." If you take
another extreme example, do you guys
remember the Michael Vic controversy?
For those who don't know, American
football player Michael Vic was caught
running a dog fighting ring. You know,
where they take poor little puppies and
make them fight to the death for
gambling purposes.
>> Why would you do that?
>> I'm pretty sure there's no clause in his
football contract that says, "Don't do
that." But he was also fired on moral
grounds. Imagine consequences for your
actions. At the very least, let's assume
the absolute best of the situation.
Chris was being truthful. Saber and a
Will wasn't there to hear these
conversations. This happened before he
was hired somehow. I'm glad a
whistleblower came forward. But even so,
if this is how someone is talking about
women, shouldn't you tell their future
bosses? Does an employee talking about
women in this unethical way make the
company look bad? I mean, this isn't
just a slip of the tongue. This is a
purposeful attempt to objectify a woman
due to bitterness and self-esteem
issues, and should be taken seriously in
any workplace, even a virtual one like
YouTube. And the fact that DA Games and
others value Chris's safety and privacy
more than holding him accountable makes
me worry because this is harassment and
I don't have to take it.
>> New developments. I posted part of the
email exchange on Twitter again and that
blew up. I guess DA Games released a
statement due to public pressure. If
not, then they would have released their
statement a year ago when this email
exchange took place. Chris is going away
on work training. Um, can I have proof
of that, please? Because you've already
been pretty untruthful to me. I think
you guys are just trying to wait until
this all dies down and everyone forgets
and then Chris will just magically
appear.
Chris's statement also came out which is
really respectful mean employer.
>> Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.
>> And then trying to make himself the
victim. Chris, if you felt mistreated,
this is the first I'm ever hearing about
it. So, politely talk to me directly or
shut the [\h__\h] up.
>> You need to shut the [\h__\h] up. I know we
have this dude broke culture around
YouTube entrepreneurs who have never
been to business school before and don't
know about good company ethics. As far
as Chris, I would hope he gets an
official investigation into his
character from both parties. And as a
lead with the Billy Bush example,
possibly terminated. I don't know if
Chris has personally changed or what his
character is now or if there are any
other victims out there, but do you
really want this kind of guy to be
representing your company? To work in
the media industry is a privilege. Why
protect sexual harassers? even if it's
just a dumb internet job. And I know
this all sucks. Hearing this is probably
gonna suck. Working on this video has
sucked real bad. I've cried a lot. But
it seems like that miners are in threat
of being prayed on. Will himself has
done some suspicious behavior and it
seems like nothing's going to change
unless it's talked about in a bigger
way.
>> I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to
take this anymore.
>> So that's why we're here. Part zero.
Disproving KP rep. For some reason,
people think I'm unqualified to do this
or have false information about things
that have happened in the past they are
using to make a judgment on this case.
And that's concerning. So, let's go
ahead and disprove some KP is bad stuff.
For example, when this was trending on
Reddit, I got comments like this. And if
that's still not enough for you, listen
to this. And another aspect that I
didn't really take into account until
rather recently is that on top of all
the work that the team members are
having to do, there's something to be
said for all the work that goes into
managing those team members. I can't
imagine it must be an easy job because
you have to make sure that everyone is
on the same page with everything all the
time. Everyone's keeping up to date with
progress and is generally handing things
in on time, all while trying to keep
them happy and make them feel like
they're in a positive working
environment. And at that point, I said,
"Look, I'm sorry I couldn't finish it,
but I need to get back to my other
work." And KP, she let me go. She didn't
force me to stay. She didn't say, "Oh,
you have to keep working for me." She
said, "Okay, you can go. Maybe I'll
contact you again later when you're not
busy." started a channel to spread her
opinions and built a team around her.
I've seen her make mistakes, take them
to heart, and return improved. She is a
leader, so she must lead in the way she
knows. But she is always ready to listen
to help, and when she is unsure, seek
advice herself. In the wake of all of
this, I had the privilege of meeting
some of team KP, to which my initial
reaction was, "She still has a staff."
And it's true. Bunch of real sweethearts
who in defiance of Twitter, reason,
common sense, and
>> probable human resource statutes.
>> Actually, still love I love a lot. A
lot. And take my word for it. They were
just as non plus about all this leaks
business as anyone. Actually, no, don't
take my word for it. Why don't go check
out their page and get it from the
various horses mouths yourself, darling
people. The
>> whole anonp leak situation is as
follows. I do not regret making it
because at the time I truly believed I
was doing something for the better good.
Michael, this is illegal.
>> Did you really think no one would check?
Why do you work for iTunes? I guess
never underestimate the power of too
long didn't read.
>> Can I get paid now, Rachel?
>> For those playing at home, the TLDDR is
that this is utter nonsense. especially
this bit.
>> But KP, what about this?
>> She was exposed as a manipulator and a
user.
>> Uh, somehow she managed to get an entire
team of people to get to work on her
projects. Only they didn't get any
compensation for it.
>> God forbid people have hobbies. I guess
every reanimated is just an anti-
capitalism abomination discussed at
length here.
I remember watching a video that she
posted on YouTube a couple of year back.
It was a long drawn up video about how
she was almost cancelled from the
community and how she was a victim of
stalking and her struggles with PTSD,
which she brings up like every time she
gets the opportunity. Like what?
>> Shaming trauma victims probably wasn't
your best move, my guy. Just saying. She
probably felt that because the fandom
had died down a bit. Nobody would got on
the attack.
She also had like a Twitter meltdown
when she had to pay like for her own way
into Brenon. I think I can't remember
which convention
cuz I didn't bother factchecking.
Whereas other members of the banelis's
committee like Silverquil got in for
free. really goes to show how much of a
tight-knit group they all are when it
comes to preaching about love and
tolerance like peace. That's not what
happened. Wrong. I was frustrated that
Brony Con changed their minds about my
guest spot based on false information
and they were informed it was false
information from another convention
head. It's very victim blamy. more
details here,
>> which probably explains why people don't
see her much after that with other
committee members.
All in all, KB just strikes me as just
another individual who constantly acts
like a spoiled child who acts out when
they can't get what they want.
>> This guy obviously doesn't know me
because it's not really my character.
These types of individuals believe that
everything should be like handed to them
with little or no effort simply because
they're are recognized in a group or
community.
I know it sounds like I'm saying like #
burn the witch, but my actual point is
she's just another example of what
happens when you let internet or in this
case horse fame go to your head. Why
would we work so hard on dumb little
horse videos if they weren't fun?
Because art and media are definitely
only made for attention. More details
here. Make me your horse god.
>> I am your god now. Bring me your
virgins.
>> This is a confrontation between someone
who is supposed to be helping the team
but was actively leaking assets to the
team and lying about it and then they
were caught. You can guess how this
confrontation goes. But ladies and
gentlemen, the day is Zay- minded. For
more context, Zayn, the head of the team
at the time, is a pretty soft-spoken
guy. So, this is the maddest I've ever
seen him.
>> Can do you mind if we take it from here?
Me and
>> Yeah.
>> Because quite frankly, what the messages
were were a betrayal to the team that
you claim to represent. I would say less
so a betrayal to Rachel. Still still a
betrayal though. But quite frankly, I'm
insulted
by what you you chose to do. I you you
sat there. You claimed
to be representing the team. You claimed
to be wanting to improve the team and
you sat there and you lied to our face.
Okay, now I'm [\h__\h] lost for words.
And the fact that I didn't
>> What the [\h__\h] made you think that that
was okay? Like how did you think you
were helping? How what the [\h__\h] have you
got to say to yourself?
And then even now I gave you the chance
to come clean and say, "Is there
anything you want to say?"
And you didn't say anything. And you're
you were denying it until I said, "I
have access. I see everything."
Initially, you can see that maybe your
intentions were good, but there's
absolutely no [\h__\h] denying the fact
that by the end of that, not even by the
end of it, part halfway through, at the
very least, there was no denying that.
That's the my problem. You claimed that
you were doing this for us and yet you
sat there and lied to us. You lied to
me. You lied to every single person in
that group. We sat there and we said,
"Can we trust everyone in this group?"
And you sat there and said, "Yes." You
betrayed the team.
Okay, you betrayed [\h__\h] me
personally. I'm taking that personally.
You sat there and you told them Zayn is
about to upload that video. And what did
you hope to achieve? It happened that I
was preparing that video and that's when
I told you, by the way, we're putting it
back up. We made that decision weeks
ago. We made that decision when we
posted it in the radio play chat when
people were said explained that we're
not happy. We said, "Yes, we have a
video ready. We'll upload it in a few
weeks." That's why that video was going
up. Did you ask me? No.
Did you think that maybe maybe a bit
more something better could come out of
this if you [\h__\h] talk to us?
Okay. Nothing good came out of that
group. Nothing grew. Sorry, that
Twitter. Nothing.
You know what good came out of this? the
Skype group, the group of people that
sat down like grown men and [\h__\h]
wrote down their complaints.
Nothing good from that Skype chat. Do
you want to know what everybody else on
the team The only two people that have
said anything bad to those to the N on
Twitter are the two people in that group
not on the current team. Do you know
what everybody else has said to that
Twitter? They [\h__\h] said, "Fuck off
because you're not helping. You are
literally here to be malicious. You're
here to tease Rachel. You are here to
nag at her. The There is no defending
it. That Twitter is universally accepted
not to have been a good thing. The
entire team while you were in that group
was saying that these guys are dicks.
Nobody on the team supported them. And
yet here you are claiming to represent
the team and supporting them and lying
to the rest of the team while you do it.
>> Part one, the original incident with
Chris. Something I also wasn't aware of
is that Will made a statement after his
team member Bogs, you know, the one who
was harassing me was fired. It doesn't
mention me or that there was any victim
or even what he did was bad. Will even
calls him a great person. So, starting
off on a real high note there,
>> is no longer a member of DA Games. Uh,
he's still a very good friend of ours.
Um, like especially me, like I will
sometimes DM him. We'll be on Twitter,
the big tweeter sometimes, but I'm not
one for grudges. I don't do that. Um, so
don't think this was on bad massive
haste. Um, just a lot of backend stuff
that kind of conflicted with our
channel. There's a lot of things that uh
didn't meet our requirements. since the
video started getting worse and worse,
but it was more or less just I was
pressuring him a lot. There was a lot of
things he had to do and there just
wasn't enough taking time except for the
situation that we were going through.
Come to mention it, there was a lot of
like things that maybe would have
detrimented us in the long run if we
would have kept this sort of
conversation going. And I don't want to
bring in logistics because that's not a
thing that should I don't want you
hating the dude because he is a
fantastic being. He just did a lot of
wrong things and we we're all learning
from him each and every
>> Yeah. So, I don't think there was any
mistreatment or I can't really explain
why Chris would be so frustrated enough
to do this. So, I brought my friend
James who was on the team at the same
time as Chris to give some testimony.
>> Hi, I'm James. I used to work for KP and
I was the head editor of her first team.
I worked for her for about 2 to three
years and I was asked to give a
statement on Chris's work ethic on the
team. Chris in particular was an
extremely good editor, usually doing
stuff the rest of the team couldn't do,
but he was inconsistent with time. I'm
coming out about Chris because in his
recent statement, Chris claimed
mistreatment by being on the team. But
as someone who was there, it just seemed
like he had unhealthy and alternative
motivations, and it was clear that he
would often say more than he could
deliver.
>> Do you think maybe he's compensating for
something? In particular, though, he
often said more unsavory things, either
just jokes to be funny or what usually
felt more personal. This was never a
paying gig, so it seemed that he was
upset that it wasn't helping his career,
money, or even romantic situation. It
usually felt like he would push himself
to be really good and then fell flat,
like he had ulterior motives and scoffed
at other editors for their work to make
himself look better. really honing in.
He was oddly fixated on if KP liked or
approved his work, bragging, which again
was inconsistent. In my opinion, he also
seemed to have a crush on KP. It seemed
obvious to me, if you know what I mean.
Sometimes he antagonized another team
member to get her attention and also
downplayed it when talking with others.
It was odd that he would feel
unappreciated when he was acting out of
his own will to help. Though not fully
joining the team, he still committed to
projects. Near when he left, it would be
a lot of she doesn't pay us because
she's too greedy. Specifically saying
anti-Jewish semantics such as [\h__\h]
Jew won't pay us or other she's cheap or
she's the only one benefiting from this.
But the reality is no one ever got paid.
Often in private conversations it would
come up, but he wouldn't be shy about
bringing it up during group
conversations. And this is if he
attended any meetings at all. We were a
little intimidated by his status to
bring this up to KP at the time, though.
Chris ultimately left the team with
almost no word. His work ethic dropped
dramatically over the months we were all
there. Overall, his experience was
wanted, helpful, but inconsistent.
>> Part 1.5, escalation to being unsafe
with minors. If this video was just
about Chris making up a gross story
about me a while ago, I can see the
argument for why bring this up now. But
things end up extending to more actions
that are questionable and make it seem
like these people can't really be
trusted around children. We have a
testimony of a minor who Chris made
uncomfortable by mentioning beastiality,
too. Here's that story. She's chosen to
be left anonymous for obvious reasons,
but more about that in the interview.
Back in late 2018, I was in a voice chat
with Chris, Will, and one other person
who I cannot remember. They were another
fan, so it isn't very relevant as to who
they were. I was 14 at the time. I do
not remember how the conversation got to
this point, but at one point Chris made
a joke about me being into beastiality,
specifically using the term beastiality,
which I didn't understand at the time. I
simply responded being confused about
the joke, and Chris seemed to find that
funny. My camera was on. They were using
a third party tool to have cameras with
voice chats at the time, and I had met
Will sometime before to voice chat in
person. They had to have known I was
underage. This by itself is not that
awful, simply weird. But together with
everything else that has happened and
what these people have done, I think
it's important to share as it shows a
pattern of people in and around DA games
creating an unsafe environment. There is
also an incident of Lollcon or sexual
images of cartoon characters that are
children and accidentally exposing that
material to miners in Chris's private
server allegedly detest a bot. Lollycon
is already subjective in nature in the
first place, as people can make the
argument that these are fictional
characters and not real children. But I
don't think anyone will argue that maybe
we shouldn't be letting children see
sexual imagery. The big problem with
that, besides the incident happening in
the first place, is that it was never
officially addressed. No apology, no
nothing. But instead, the threads were
deleted. Sounds kind of sus to me. Oh,
it gets worse. Part two. Will Ryan is a
textbook pedto and probably very
unstable person. Sorry. video. If that
all isn't a big deal, then child
grooming is bad, right?
>> Well, no [\h__\h]
>> So, enter player one in this case, the
YouTube channel DA Games. For those who
aren't aware, DA Games is a YouTube
channel that makes a variety of content,
including let's plays, their own
animation, and fandom inspired music.
The four main current members of the
channel are Chris, Will Ryan, Cosmic Key
Framer Chrissy, and Shawn Webbby. Will
himself is problematic for a bunch of
reasons, not limited to dating a minor
in 2015 when he was 23, and that's shady
at best. Here are the screen caps. These
are great. I guess you can be Jerry
Seinfeld, who dated a 17-year-old when
he was 38.
So, uh, what are you going to do later?
>> I got a date with Nikki.
>> Oh, yeah. She's a beauty.
>> And she's also 17. Bold and beautiful.
I'll tell you the big advantage of
dating a high schooler.
If you're going out with someone your
own age, you can't take advantage of,
>> I suppose.
>> Oh, come on. That's a huge feature.
Think about it. She's so young she
doesn't realize I'm a predator.
>> Jerry.
>> Yes.
>> I've been doing a lot of thinking.
>> Uh-huh.
Well, I don't think we should see each
other anymore.
>> Oh, that's okay.
>> What?
>> No, it's fine. No problem. I'll meet
somebody else.
>> Sure. There are plenty of high schools
in New York City.
>> It's fine. Anyway, it's been really nice
grooming you for a while. I'm going to
go scope out a Chuck-E-Cheese.
>> Yeah, you me, too. She'll be coming
when she
>> dating anyone 18 falls into a legally
gray area depending on what state or
country you're in. But the general rule
of thumb is anyone 18 should not be
dating anyone who's younger than 18.
That's the internet law. I looked it up.
Part 2.5 is grooming. But the most
problematic of all of this is minor
straight up being groomed in their
public spaces. who you'll hear from in a
second was 15 years old when someone
around 19 years old named started
sending them self harm pictures.
Censored screenshots are on screen. It's
not a fun video. I warned you. Was
pressured to help this individual and
manipulated to break up with their
current partner at the time. This
escalated to nude photos and constant
communication until stage a suicide
attempt and blame
then came back and faked memory loss
until was blocked completely. And how
was it handled in the DA game server?
Contacted Will about the situation who
sympathized privately but didn't do
anything publicly. But like what's
accountability for exposing minors to a
predator and just left the space on his
own? Eventually had to make his own
Twitter thread with screenshots to prove
the account was true. I mean, come the
[\h__\h] on. The least you could have done
was ban a pedophile. The bare minimum.
What's that? Let me be clear. This isn't
only Will's fault. It's everyone
involved in the company, including the
people I named before. And I know rent
is a thing, but sacrificing putting
children at risk because you don't want
to publicly speak out about this
behavior and threaten your livelihood
and because you don't want to go to
college is just shitty and selfish.
>> Oh, you are just the worst type of
person.
>> Next is and his friend Pixel talking
about problematic behavior in the DA
games community and the situation at
large. Welcome to the no fun interview
section. I have two people with me who
have previous personal or professional
experiences with DA games in the past
and they made a document about it a year
ago, but I brought them on to share
their personal stories in audio form so
it's a bit easier to digest as well as
provide some context to these things and
that these are real people. I promise.
So why don't you guys introduce
yourselves?
>> Yeah, I'll go first.
I'm I um was a fan since 2018 until I
came became friends with Will, one of
the DA Games owners in I want to say
2020, 2021, I'm not sure. Um I was
commissioned by him in late 2022 to make
a concert outfit, but that's really all
I got. Um what? Well, that's all I have
when it comes to my relation to him. We
were friends, but not really. So, you
had a professional relationship with
Will?
>> Yeah, I was commissioned once, but
that's about it.
>> Okay. So, Pixel, what's your background?
>> So, I was a fan in 2018 and 2023, and I
was a fan artist in a server. I did a
lot of general fan art and just general
art interpretations of his stuff. And I
never worked with him like
professionally, but I was friends with
him during 2023 and we DM'd pretty often
for a couple months. Like, we talked in
VCs and stuff. How did that start? Did
he notice your fan art and start DMing
you or what?
>> It was kind of interesting. He was
friends with first and other than a DA
game server, there was another friend
server that he was in and at some point
the topic of me came up when he was
DMing and he noticed that I wasn't on
his friends list and he was just kind of
confused about that. And so it was just
kind of he thought we were friends
already. And so it was around early 2023
that I accepted his friend request and
we started DMing from there. I think we
officially started a conversation after
an incident with his friend Enu. She was
like harassing me for like 2 hours and I
had that conversation with Will. I was
like your friend is doing this and this
is what happened and here's a
conversation that we had and after that
we just started having normal
conversations.
So I guess Will does this where he'll
just take people from the fan server and
try to build a personal connection.
>> Yeah. Um so so there's actually this
second server that a lot of his friends
including like L and Enu are in um that
sometimes just some people get invited
to. I guess
>> okay. I guess from what I'm getting at
so far is there seems to be a lack of
boundaries. Not that it's a bad thing to
make friends with fans or anything, but
I feel like it's almost competitive if
you have like a server of people he
likes that are also the fan server.
>> Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah. So, what
happened for me was I was friends with
Lala before um before I was invited to
that server. So, because I had a mutual
friend with Will, meaning Lala, I was
invited there. It was It's officially LA
server, but it mostly gets used for Will
stuff.
>> What exactly is in the server? Is it
just like personal jokes or a similar
layout to the other server, but just
kind of private?
>> Um, it's supposed to be a friend group.
It's supposed to be a friend group
server, but
it's really centered about around Will.
Yeah, they had this rule where if you
weren't active enough, you'll get kicked
and if you couldn't go to VCs, you would
have to explain yourself like, oh, I
couldn't join VC today because of X, Y,
and Z. And generally, from my
experience, a lot of people had to cater
to will like going back on joining the
server in general. They used to let
people in pretty generally, but then
they just kind of restricted access.
>> Like the only reason I got in there was
because actually invited me in there. a
few times she actually gave out invites,
but it's technically a friend server,
but they have like not official events,
but they do VC a lot, sometimes for like
days, and they just generally expect you
to be active a lot.
>> So, it seems to me like the whole point
of the server is for Will to talk to
people and get validation. Is that it?
>> Yeah, definitely. I remember this one
time that me and a friend who was in
there were watching I think it was
Hellraiser 4. It was one of the worst
Hellraiser movies. We were like cracking
jokes and stuff and like
an hour in Will joined and he got upset
because we were talking over the movie
when he didn't even choose to watch it.
We did.
>> Were there any minors in the server?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, there were.
>> I'm not going to say names, but I
remember there being like several at
least. So, I guess it's kind of
questionable that he made a separate
server to invite mostly fans of his main
server, which I guess isn't the worst
thing in the world, obviously, but it's
things like the boundaries that are
weird, the rules as far as VCing that
are weird, and the fact that there are
minors in there. Were there
inappropriate jokes and stuff like that?
>> Yeah, there used to be an NSFW chat
even, and like people would just share
their kinks in there and stuff. I
remember this.
It got deleted eventually, but it was
weird. Like the time I was in there and
the chat still existed. I was a minor at
the time. I think I don't remember
exactly. I'm sorry. But yeah, it was
greatly sexual and racist and stuff.
>> Okay. Not off to a good start. So that
seems to be the running theme with DA
games in general that they're being
inappropriate with minors. They make
inappropriate or not safe for work jokes
in front of minors and no one seems to
be willing to do anything about it.
Yeah, exactly. Like sometimes they like
for for forever now I want to say they
refused to even acknowledge that there
are minors in their audience.
>> Yeah, I remember that when the first
version of Doc dropped, we were bringing
up the point that he was tremor dumping
to minors and talking about things that
younger kids shouldn't be hearing and he
relies a lot on his fan base for
personal support. There's an entire
channel in that server dedicated to just
giving him specifically support. And the
entire mood of the server is dedicated
by how he's feeling that day. And when
we mention that in our document like,
hey, he's trauma dumping. He's talking
about all these horrible things without
a filter to these people. And people
were giving the excuse, well, they're
older teens. They're like this age. When
in reality, the age range was like was a
lot broader than like 16, 17. They were
14y olds, 13 year olds. in there. The
broader range is like from 13 to early
20s in that server. And it's unfair to
assume that just because it appears that
people are older that you should trauma
dump these people. They did have an NSFW
channel on that main server, but I
wasn't around when it was a thing.
>> And what year was this about?
>> I'm not entirely sure. I remember being
there when that channel got deleted,
I think.
>> When did you guys join the server?
>> Um, I joined the server in May 2018, and
it was around then. I joined in
December.
>> I don't know how long it was around.
Like the server has existed since 2016,
but it may have been around since the
beginning. I'm not sure, but it was
around 2018. That's for sure.
>> And another thing I wanted to bring up
is that the moderators do not go through
formal formal training from what I could
tell. I was there and he just picked
someone and he was like, "Oh, you should
be a moderator now. You've been a friend
for long enough." And like I said, he
he's hired minor moderators. The most
recent one just turned 18 18 last year.
They graduated high school last year and
they were a moderator the entire time in
the server from 2018 to 2023. And I'm 20
now. So they were younger than me that
entire time. And as far as I'm aware, I
heard they were recommended to someone.
>> No, they got they got picked randomly.
They got picked randomly. I remember
this.
>> Yeah, it was weird. They just got picked
for no reason. And they even told me
several times in DMs when they were a
moderator like you should have been it
not me because
I don't know they thought of them of
them themselves as not being capable
enough to be a moderator but they still
were anyway.
>> Yeah I can get the point of having
moderators being subjective but the very
least they should not be minors. They
should also know it's actual work and
should be okay with whatever work they
get. Usually mods are like, "Hey minor,
don't go in the 18 plus chat." Or, "Have
a question? We'll help you." Just like
that.
>> Exactly.
>> So, was the minor activity in both
servers the only thing that gave off red
flags or was there any other behavior?
>> Oh, there was way more. Um, I remember
um in the Diego community, there was a
lot of um predators, like groomers and
such, and they got exposed like monthly
sometimes, like every other month there
would be another one. and they would
never get acknowledged by the team. And
it was just horrible. Um
like um this is going to get very
personal real quick, but at some point I
was groomed by someone in there and I
exposed them like two years ago. Um and
I posted it in the server as in like I
made a Twitter thread and I posted it in
there. Well, I had my I asked my like my
friend to post it because I didn't want
to do to do it myself because I was a
public figure at the time in the DMs
community.
Um, and it got deleted like instantly
because it was just drama tarnishing the
brand. And so to summarize, it's not
abnormal for predators to be attracted
to online spaces that maybe make fandom
content, but it's kind of scary when the
mod team is burying it.
>> One of them literally got arrested for
having CP in their possession. Um yeah,
there's this one guy that got arrested
for like 34 accounts of child
like three years ago and they never got
acknowledged by the team e either
>> and he was pretty prominent in the
server. He would make animations and
stuff.
>> He was really popular.
>> And he was kicked once that came out at
the very least, right?
>> We don't know. We don't know. There's a
pro there's a probability he probably
was, but they do have a thing where like
if you suspect someone being weird, they
will investigate and kick them. But
>> it's done very badly. It's done really
badly. Like from personal experience,
it's so bad. Like I tried to come
forward about my groomer like way before
I posted about it and they were like,
"Hey, do you have proof of this?" And I
was like, "No, I deleted those chats
because I don't want to see that shit."
And they were like, "Okay, but you can
get him back." And I was like, "Okay,
how could [\h__\h] help me?" Cuz I was
panicking. And they were like, "Figure
it out yourself." So you're going to
tell a child in a panic state to just
figure it out themselves or else we're
not or otherwise we're not going to do
anything. It's really weird. Um I don't
know. I'm I'm getting heated. I'm sorry.
>> No, it's okay. It's just so [\h__\h] dumb
to me that they don't do the bare
minimum or just like don't have a server
that's open to miners.
>> It reminds me of last year when he was
doing a set list for Momocon and he has
these killer robots and he was going to
describe in detail how they kill people
and I was asking like, "Well, shouldn't
you put a content warning on there since
most people are like coming for the DA
games stuff?" And he laughed at me. He
was like, "No, why should I do that? I
have a song called Mr. Dirty Balls
playing. People should know that we're
not for kids because that song is
playing." and learn the next day he had
to add a content warning anyway. So I
just kind of like threw up my hands like
okay you had to add one anyway so why
were you throwing a fit about it?
>> Yeah, he gets upset at like the smallest
things ever and it's so annoying. So
it's really hard to like come forward
about bigger stuff too.
>> Were any of the other team members
supportive when you came forward?
Because my understanding is that when
you go to Will for stuff, he kind of
brushes it off. Well, he either brushes
brushes it off or he sends HR.
Um, the person that's that's currently
HR um usually will just go into your DMs
and be like, "Yo,
don't bring negative stuff to Will. He
cannot handle it right now." And he
never handles it. So, it's frustrating
as hell.
>> And they just made them HR this year.
>> Is the HR person a public figure?
Not anymore. They did have a Twitter
account, but one of the gripes I have is
that as an HR person, they live with
him. They're friends with everyone in
there. So, when it comes to certain
situations like yours, technically they
should not be handling that because they
are not a neutral third party.
>> Does she have like a social presence?
Like, is she known for being friends
with Will?
>> Yes, to some degree. Like, if to some
degree she's public when like when you
go into DM's live stream, she will be
there as a moderator.
things such as like that.
>> It seems like the running theme is Will
can't handle whatever the conflict is
because he can't address it.
>> Yeah, pretty much.
>> Okay, so let's talk about some
troublesome behavior you saw from Will.
I know he dated a minor in 2015 and
there was a lot of ends slurs and a lot
of anti-Semitic slurs.
Great stuff. Do you have any antidotes
or things to share on top of that?
Just recently someone did some more
digging when they found out on a live
stream clip but was looking at some site
called like young or young people
born.com and they did some more digging
on the way back machine.
>> What drove you to make this document?
Was it the predator thing? Like what was
the straw that broke the camel's back
and you just were like [\h__\h] it. We need
to write all this stuff down.
>> Um I think it was just generally um we
were frustrated about a lot of things.
We talked to each other and then we
found about about the NSFW stuff and we
decided, nope, Disney needs to get out
there.
>> That's pretty much how it went. We
stumbled across it as well. We were
literally just messing around and that's
when we found it and thought, well, this
doesn't look right. And we did some
digging and we're like, "This isn't
right at all."
So, you went back through Will's history
and saw the anti-semitism and um there's
one point where he justifies using the
n-word as a white person and I thought
that was really sad. So, what was the
response when you released his first
version of the document?
>> Well, the first version came out like
really weird. Like we tried to get like
fans to see it, so we made a fan account
and then like turn it into the release
account. It was stupid. Um, that one
went really bad and like Pixie, you can
say more about that. Like it affected
you mostly.
>> Yeah, it just went really badly. We were
still friends at that point and we were
just like really heartbroken. So the doc
was very emotionally charged and it had
and it just had stuff in it in there
that didn't really need to be in there.
And then also after he came out trending
on Twitter, like two mods. One of them
was this HR person came to me and they
put me in like a group chat and they
told me, "You have to fix this." And I'm
like, "I'm in a college class. I can't
fix this right now." But I still had to
do this anyway. And after a couple more
screenshots came out, the HR person was
like, "Is there anything else that's
going on? Because if there is, I'm one
month away from flipping switches and
ruining lives." And I was really scared
at that point. And rightfully kicked me
from the friend group because I was so
scared of what was going to happen to
them. I just ended up throwing the
runner the bus because I was so scared
and under pressure.
>> Like we changed the password for the
Twitter account and everything cuz we
could not have this go south.
>> Yeah. And when the second document came
out, I reached out to again and I was
basically confirmed that was what
happened. And I put out my secondary
statement on Twitter because the initial
apology, well, the quote unquote apology
that I made the first time, it went uh
it went through those two people and it
was heavily sanitized. They wanted me to
say he apologized in BC, he did this, he
did that. And I was supposedly there to
witness when he did those things. And as
a result, people started disregarding
everything as fake. And so I wanted to
make that secondary statement to explain
that nothing was fake. And I was
pressured into writing something I
didn't really believe in. And then later
those two people would come forward in
private and apologize to me for doing
that.
>> So let me get this straight, guys. So
two official DA games ambassadors, mods,
whatever you want to call them,
basically tried to legally threaten you
to formally apologize or else wagging.
Is that basically what happened? pretty
much this H bar person, she's bragged
about being a former Kiwi farmer and
like digging stuff up about people. So,
I knew she had a capacity to do those
types of things, those people on those
sites do. And I don't want that to
happen to me. I don't want that to
happen any other people who were working
there.
>> Yeah, I was especially scared. I was
especially scared cuz they will
commission me. Like, what if they save
the packaging, I send his outfit in and
have my address? Like, I was scared as
[\h__\h]
So, I logged you out cuz I could not
have that happen to me.
>> Yeah, that's cool.
>> So, what happened after you released the
second doc? Did anyone come after you or
try to have you reprimanded?
>> There was this It was really weird.
Like, this time it it went okay. Like,
we posted it on like the Reddit and
stuff and it actually got some reaction,
which was really cool. But there was
also this one person that either was the
HR person of some or someone pretending
to be HR person. We still haven't
figured that out. cuz the HR person has
a habit of stalking me specifically and
they told them to they acted like they
were going to sue me. But
>> yeah, I remember that. It was just
horrible. Another thing is the second
doc, it just kind of inspired them to go
through the server logs and they found
that people like Chris were going
through and deleting all the racist
stuff that they said and they found
videos. They made like a whole archive
just going back that that they were like
just going back and deleting things. So
Chris got caught being racist and sexist
just in general.
>> Yeah, pretty much.
>> So before I move on to the last
question, can you guys give some context
as much as you can from the anonymous
Chris story that you interviewed the
victim for?
>> So that's actually my best friend who
told an anonymous story. So this had to
do with her username which had the word
animal in it and then her her name and
um so it actually came from that
like it was weird. Why why did they say
that? Why did they think it was
appropriate to say that to a 14-year-old
they knew was 14?
>> What took me off guard is that the
14-year-old had met Will before. Was
that at a convention?
>> Yes, it was at a convention.
>> Okay. Okay, cool. At least that's
purple. They're also pretty prominent in
as a person in the community. So, it
would be weird if they didn't know how
old she was.
>> Is she still prominent?
>> No, they she got banned
and now she [\h__\h] hates their guts.
So,
>> so the whole team has a controlling
presence with their fan base and on
social media, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, pretty much.
>> So, my last question is unless you guys
wanted to add anything else as far as
any general stories or experiences or
anything.
So, as I mentioned before, I was a fan
artist and at the beginning of Iris, I
would make interpretations of characters
and go and Will would go on the chat and
say, "These interpretations give me
anxiety because now I'm scared they're
not going to be able to live up to these
expectations."
>> Let me backtrack. What is Iris? Is that
a song they've done? I'm not familiar
with their content really.
>> It's one of his IPs.
>> Yeah, it's an original story.
>> Yeah, it's a dystopia thing. There's a
lot of characters, but not a lot of them
have designs. So, what a lot of people
like myself did was like, let's make a
design on this character based on this
very vague description that he had. And
people would also make covers of songs,
too. And he would get high amounts of
anxiety over it. And in some cases, he
would call it defacing. I got caught out
for the way I drew and just killer
robots because he was like, "Well, now
you made my design look like horseshit."
even though I had I heard no one else
complaining about his design or anything
like that. And then on top of that, a
bunch of other artists started
apologizing like, "Yeah, we're so sorry.
We didn't knowing this stuff upset you
so much and you never said anything
until now." And he made it a rule in the
server for a while that you couldn't
post interpretations or you couldn't
post covers with more than one
instrument or more than one vocal track.
And he just now changed that rule. I
heard from someone that's still in there
that he just changed the role back to
where it was before so was he can do
that again.
>> I can't get over that because that's the
stupidest [\h__\h] thing. He should be
happy that people are making fan art
because they enjoy the thing. It's like
he's punishing his fans.
>> Yeah. Even on Twitter, someone was
asking about it and he's like, "Well,
I'll go forward in making more character
designs uh when I'm sure that they won't
be tampered with." And just a lot of
extreme words for stuff that wasn't
extreme. being a young artist at the
time I was 16 and that was devastating
to me and when I was telling him you
know this really hurt when you said that
he was like well don't have a cow it's
not that bad without really
acknowledging how I felt or how any of
these other people felt about that
>> that's a problem he generally has like
when someone comes forward to him about
how he hurt their feelings it's like
yeah but it's not that bad like
bro you hurt someone it's not cool man
>> oh it's so dumb it's so dumb I mean the
predator [\h__\h] and the child porn is
probably the worst of it. Okay, to
recap. So, I was going to say it sounds
like it's pretty bad between the
allowing predators to be in their spaces
and not really doing anything about it
or threatening people who make fan art
or Will dating a minor and Will looking
up child. I remember seeing that because
I thought that was the worst thing Will
specifically had done. And then Chris
just had the behavior of being sexist
and racist too and gross with minors.
So, what would you guys like to gain
from coming forward on a bigger platform
and speaking about your stories? So, my
original goal would be like
acknowledgements of this stuff
happening, but like I don't think that's
going to happen like ever being
realistic. But I don't know exactly what
I want anymore. Like I just want this
stuff out there. I guess that's all I
can do.
>> What I personally think is Will needs to
take a break from the internet because
this sounds really unhealthy from a
third party perspective.
I'm just going to sound, this is going
to sound really mean, but I don't think
he's capable of taking a break from the
internet. I mean, he went on a camping
trip with his family and he was on his
phone and was in voice calls the entire
time. So, even then when he was supposed
to be out in nature, he wasn't taking a
break. There's multiple times he said he
leave Twitter and then he never did. I
believe someone caught him lurking
because he was pretending to be off of
Twitter, but then like he retweets
something and then quickly un retweet
it. He's on Instagram mostly now and
even now he's pretending to like be
offline on Discord.
>> Something I've noticed too is that
people who enable him are dependent on
him. Like the HR person who's a roommate
of his and is dependent on the channel's
income in order to live.
>> Yeah, exactly. Like the HR person lives
with him and doesn't have a job outside
of HR for DA games.
I think we don't know cuz they're not a
public figure. We don't have any
connection to them anymore. But I think
the only thing they do in their life is
sit in Will's house and send out angry
emails to us.
>> This is what the kids call an
allegation. Something we don't know if
it's true, but it's based on a theory
and evidence.
>> Yeah. She like she she used to have a
job like as a childare worker, but she
stopped
and then she did like art commission.
Yeah. And then she did like art
commissions for a while, but then she
like [\h__\h] up her wrist.
So, I don't know what she can do if she
has a job.
>> Sounds like a healthy work environment.
So, the only time they acknowledge
anything wrong is when I retweeted one
of the emails a couple of weeks before
this recording and they were like,
"Chris is taking a break. Chris is
taking hiatus," which I think means
we're going to wait until this blows
over because we're not going to show you
any proof that Chris went to any HR
training.
>> I'm going to go out on a limb and allege
that he did not go through any training.
Like I said, the HR person only made HR
was only made HR this year. DA is only
four people. Even emailing and doing NDA
was was against the ACAS guidelines. So,
I don't know what training he would have
done if there was any. I think he had I
think we had a timeline down like a day
uh or so after your tweet came out, he
left Twitter the day after. He was
streaming the night after and a day or
two afterwards he was saying, "I got
trained." Like, at what point during
that timeline would he be getting
trained?
Yeah, and keep in mind for those who
don't remember, I had the original
conversation with HR a year ago and I
was feeling antsy because I wanted to
make a video for a while and we were
waiting for the right time and then this
blew up and I'm like this would have
been great a year ago. But ideally, it
doesn't sound like the team is even safe
to make content because of their
influence around others. Like Will
himself dated a 17-year-old when How old
was Will?
>> 22 to 23.
>> Great. So, when you date a 17-year-old,
regardless of when it happened, you
should know better. Like Chris telling
the story, regardless of when it
happened, he should know better. So, I
guess we'll hope for the best. I think
at the very least, if there's going to
be any changes, they have to show proof
and a plan or else no one's going to
believe them at this point. I think a
public apology is probably a good start.
>> Yeah, that's that's like that's like the
big thing. Like
you would think that nobody would
believe what DA are saying, but they do.
And it's weird. Like even when you show
them proof, they're like, "No, it's
fake. It's fake. You're just haters."
Like their fan base is very Yeah,
they're Yeah, their fan base is like
very um they just really want to believe
that they're good people when they're
not because
Lord knows why. Actually,
>> it's because he built up a parasocial
relationship with them.
>> True. True.
>> Even with the lolly thing, when we told
people about that, they were still like,
"Well, actually, he was using it to test
a bot." And I'm like, "Well, why is it
still there?" And it wasn't even in the
same server. Again, the fans have a very
poor social relationship. You have this
mature 20some year old telling his
telling you all his deepest deepest
secrets and stuff and all his childhood
traumas and you feel closer to him. And
on top of that, you have this whole
Discord channel dedicated to just giving
him support. You're encouraged to look
at his Discord status and see what state
he's in. When I was younger, he'd even
pull he would even go as far as to like
delete his Twitter account and like
threatening to delete the YouTube
account because he was feeling bad. And
when you're put through that over and
over again, you want to feel close. You
want to feel like this person can't be
bad. I did all this for him or I went
through all this for him. And I'm just
sorry. I'm getting really a bit heated
here because again, I went through all
of that and it's such an emotional
draining thing to go through. It's like,
no, you shouldn't be doing this to 13
and 18year-olds. You shouldn't be
telling them all these things like I'm
going to delete my YouTube channel
where, you know, when I was bullied, I
got my head bashed in.
>> Yeah, exactly. Like the worst example I
remember is I think that he was he said
in his Discord server that he was going
to kill himself because his fans were so
[\h__\h] annoying. I don't have proof of
this sadly, but I remember seeing it.
>> Posted a suicide note on Twitter,
>> right? Several times
>> and then Chloe had to come out and say,
"No guys, he's fine." And then he just
like he never deleted it afterwards
>> and he didn't kill himself. He's okay.
>> He posted several times like while he
was in a hospital as well. Yeah, I
remember this happening when I just was
a fan like when I in like 2018 2019 this
was happening a lot and like I felt
super close to him when I literally just
knew him for like 4 months. It was
weird. Like I felt this super close
connection to him and now I understand
why and it's so [\h__\h] awful.
>> On that note, do you guys have any
advice for people that are kind of in
similar shoes that you were when you
were finding all this stuff out?
>> Talk to people.
Talk to people. Like, you're not alone
going through this. Like, please talk to
people. Even people that are still fans,
like, talk to them. And it's okay if you
don't feel okay going through this
because it's [\h__\h] hard having to
sever a connection that feels so close
and personal, who is someone who turns
out to be a terrible person. Like, it's
okay to feel bad. It's okay to feel sad
for the things you lose. Um, it's okay.
like you're going to be fine. Talk to
people.
>> Yeah, I agree that wholeheartedly like
just talk to people. One of the driving
factors that led me to become friends
with me again is that I talked to
someone about everything that happened
and I suggest to just to talk to people
who are outside of the server, go to
different servers and just know that
this is nothing. This is not how things
are supposed to be. Like I talked to a
friend who had nothing to do with DA or
anything and they were like that's not
normal. That's not something that should
be happening on a regular basis.
>> Yeah, I think that's a good note to end
on. Therapy's good, guys.
All right. Well, I guess on that note,
we can end. Thanks everyone for being
here and telling your stories. It sounds
like a hot mess.
>> It is like it's so messy right now. Like
on the Diego subreddit currently,
they're like censoring words. You cannot
say the number 11 anymore.
[\h__\h] like that. It's stupid. And if you
try to post anything without context, uh
I was trying to post context of what was
going on earlier and they just deleted
it immediately.
>> Yeah, they nuke it instantly. Like I got
banned from the Reddit.
>> As someone who took a media literacy
course, this is not how you deal with
backlash. You apologize, but it's kind
of hard to recover when you have minors
and predators in the same space and you
haven't really done anything about it.
Um these are really serious issues that
aren't like a oopsie. So,
>> no. They're dealing with with it so
badly. Like, it's embarrassing for them.
>> I know. I heard through a mutual friend
that they originally weren't going to
say anything cuz they didn't see a
reason for it. They were like, "Oh,
there's no reason for it. It's going to
go away."
>> All right. Thanks everyone for
listening.
>> Yes. Thank you.
>> So, there's three players in this
Shakespearean tragedy. Chris, a former
member of my production team who made up
this gross story about me. his first
boss, DA Games, a YouTube channel run by
Will Ryan, and his second boss, another
YouTuber named Saber Spark. Misque,
Will's Nazi racist and anti-semitic
memes. There's also um racist and
anti-semitic memes. It never ends here.
Part three, how DA Games handled the
Chris situation badly. Back to the Chris
situation. The DA Games team first
responded the situation privately in
November of 2023, citing the issue had
been resolved to their own satisfaction
and that Chris didn't work for them at
that time, even though there's proof
that suggests otherwise, and that Will
Ryan was likely in the room to hear the
story recounted at least once. They
continued to lie about my legal rights
and basically put pressure on me to stay
quiet about everything. We'll show you
those emails in a second. At a last
ditch attempt, DA Games attempted to
send me a cease and desist. So, we're
going to go through some highlights of
the emails here, but feel free to pause
the video and read them for any context
that you'd like. Hi, Matilda. I was told
to contact you regarding the afficionado
Chris case.
>> Many months later.
>> Hi, Matilda and the DA Games team. It's
been 3 months since I last reached out
and I'm disappointed in the lack of
urgency. I'm reaching out one last time
to discuss the issue and sell her
privately. Hi KP, thanks for your
patience. Chris informed us that the
recording between you and him was not
consensual. Nonetheless, we listened to
the recording ourselves and have
determined that the two of you had
already reached a resolution. You will
allow the actions of the past to be
forgotten and forgiven. It is also our
understanding that all of this took
place before Chris was an employee of
DA, meaning that he was not under
contract at the time of the incident.
Therefore, as a company, we do not have
the jurisdiction to punish him in this
situation as he has not breached
contract. I'm disappointed with the lack
of action taken regarding these issues
and your lack of alarm in terms of how
it reflects upon your company's
priorities, values, and internal
culture. Also, regarding the recording
and Chris's statement, fact is whether
or not Chris engaged in the activity, he
openly spoke about doing it allegedly in
calls involving his co-workers post
having his position within the company
and after as late as 2019. This is
highly inappropriate, morally
unacceptable language to use when
conducting oneselves around co-workers,
much less when his attempt to convey
approval from peers and a superior by
presenting himself as a sexual harasser.
If he was bragging about sexual
misconduct involving a minor, would that
change your response? Because if the
answer is yes, you should be taking this
seriously because sexual harassment is
sexual harassment. By continuing to
employ Chris, you not only condone his
behavior but actively encourage it
within your workplace related settings.
At this point, it's a matter of safety
for myself and members of our
communities. And me attempting to handle
this issue privately is a courtesy, one
that seemingly is not being honored and
in fact dismissed. If no satisfactory
result is brought about, I have no
problems going public. We will review
this case again and decide on
appropriate disciplinary action. This
will be handled internally and
confidentially. Of course, we would like
to state that we do not represent Chris
in any legal capacity. DA Games as a
company does not tolerate threats of
defamation or liel. If you go public, we
have the right to pursue legal action.
We will share the results of the
investigation with KP, but only on the
condition that she signs a
confidentiality agreement. Part four,
how Sabers Spark handled the Chris
situation badly. Next is YouTuber Saber
Spark, who primarily makes animated
themed content and generally seems not
to care about the situation unless he's
listed as an employer of Chris. I
originally contacted Saber through his
staff. And here are the Discord messages
to prove that. I hate it here. There
were talks of a hiring change and I
assume Chris was terminated from working
with Steven due to that. Cool. One less
thing to worry about. Then it got worse.
Turns out nothing happened.
Cool.
>> Oh, there's a big surprise.
>> I tried following up but never heard
anything. Cut to November of this year
where Steven is mentioned in that email
asking for an NDA to look into the Chris
issue. This eventually escalated into a
public spectacle when I shared the NDA
email on Twitter. One of the people in
that thread tagged Steven directly and
then thanks for the support guys. It's
emotionally draining, but I feel like
being critical of online spaces,
especially when you try to solve things
privately first, is important.
>> Were you able to contact Saber or anyone
that currently works for him about
Chris?
>> I contacted Saber through some friends
in common. Never heard about an official
firing though. I was never contacted by
any friend of yours, nor did you ever
make any attempt to reach out to me on
your own behalf via Twitter, email, or
anywhere else. You are omitting so much
information right now, but I'll provide
some here in a sec under your original
post.
>> Dude, we can talk privately. I have
screenshots that I contacted both. And
>> are you going to record the call without
telling me the same way you did to
Chris, too? Talk to me privately. I'm
not doing this back and forth on
Twitter.
>> Then don't app me with your halftruth
and omitted information in order to gain
sympathy and slander my name. I'm 100%
to debunk every accusation in your
video. I have no idea how you can claim
due diligence when you never reached out
to me.
>> Don't [\h__\h] talk to me like that.
Don't call me a [\h__\h] liar when I have
the screenshots to back me up. And if
you're aware of the call, then the
information got back to you regardless.
If there was some decision made, I never
heard about it. I'm ending this
conversation. So, a couple of things to
unpack here. Besides me not purposely
tagging Steven, it was a third party.
Regardless, Stephen proceeded to call me
a liar publicly. You calling me a liar?
>> I ain't calling you a truther.
>> Proceeded to tease me about doing an
unsolicited recording and to slander
him.
>> Slander is spoken. In print, it's
liable.
>> Some red flags to this response. One,
Steven could have calmly asked who I
talked to instead of assuming the worse.
Two, his anger was directed at me and
not an employer, Chris himself. Three,
Steven is claiming that I never
contacted him directly, implying that
he'd had no information about this, but
it admits to knowing the confrontation
with Chris was recorded. H
>> sound like some [\h__\h] to me.
>> By the way, I wasn't going to make fun
of Steven so much, but I gave him so
many chances to communicate with me, and
he just didn't do anything. So, clearly,
he doesn't care what I have to say. It's
only an issue when there's potential
backlash.
I've come to make an announcement.
Shadow the Hedgehog is a [\h__\h] ass
[\h__\h] He pissed on my [\h__\h]
wife. That's right. He said his dick was
this big. And I said, "That's
disgusting." So, I'm making a collo post
on my twitter.com.
Shadow the hedgehog, you got a small
[\h__\h] dick. It's the size of this
walnut, but way [\h__\h] smaller. And
guess what? Here's what my dong looks
like. That's right, baby. All points, no
quills, no pillows. Look at that. It
looks like two balls and a bong.
>> He [\h__\h] my wife. Guess what?
>> I'm going to [\h__\h] the ass.
>> That's right. That's what you get. My
super laser piss. Except I'm not going
to piss on the Earth. I'm going higher.
I'm going to piss on the moon. How do
you like that, Obama? You have 23 hours
before the piss droplets fall on the
Earth. Now get out of my [\h__\h] sight
before I piss on you, too.
>> So, what I think happened is that Steven
was informed by Pim. Didn't know it came
from me. discussed it, blew it off, or
decided it was nothing and forgot about
it until he started facing some public
backlash and proceeded to blame me.
Because he was so concerned with direct
communication, I ended up sending him
this email detailing who I talked to,
why this is important, and why this
isn't a single incident. Good afternoon,
Steven. This email is your requested
private communication regarding Chris
and the overall sexual harassment
situation that he has caused. Our full
incident report can be found here if
needed. Since she publicly displayed
confusion at best about my attempting
communication with you prior to this
point, below are screenshots of my
conversations with aka the friends/
employees I pass Chris's information to.
The conversation with specifically
mentions a possible staffing change
based on Chris's actions. And I honestly
cannot fathom a situation where there
would be that drastic of an employee
change or discussion without your
knowledge. Screenshots can be found
here, here, and here. I do not
appreciate you calling me a liar
publicly, and I would like some form of
public apology. He didn't give me one.
Additionally, your public statement
states that you knew the confrontation
between me and Chris was recorded as a
matter of community safety. Combined
with your email interactions with the a
games lead me to believe that unless
there was some major miscommunication,
you aware of the situation you have
chosen in action. You still have the
choice to either hold Chris accountable,
i.e. firing him with proof, or keep him
on staff. Should you choose the former,
please communicate this to me as soon as
possible to avoid any miscommunication
in any public statement/information
present after. If you believe this is a
one-time incident, this document linked
below has logged some of Chris's other
inappropriate behavior, including but
not limited to making beastiality jokes
to someone he knew as a minor and the
use of the nword in Nazi imagery with
himself and will of the games. You can
find more information on page 429 of
this document. I have been clearance to
show unedited screenshots of the
beastiality incident if requested. I
hope that we can clearly communicate
about this going forward. I have no
desire to get into an internet squabble
with you, so let's please work this out
like adults. And do you know what
happened? No response to the email, but
suddenly the Twitter exchange got
deleted. Where did it go? Nowhere to be
found. No apology, no clarification.
Just deleted the evidence that he knew
about the situation and covered his
tracks and enabled the weird dude
because God forbid Steven have to find a
new editor or even do the public apology
that I asked him to when he falsely
threw me under the bus. I believe Steven
realized I wasn't lying and instead of
talking to me directly or apologizing to
me, he just leave the thread. So, if
Steven wasn't hiding anything or wasn't
sus, why didn't he just ask me about the
Chris stuff? He just assumed
automatically that I was lying and
started yelling. Very defensive. Very
sus. What exactly was the move here,
Stephen? Do you think just deleting the
thread, putting your fingers in your
ears, and going la would make this all
go away? Moral of the story is to fire
creepy people on your staff, even if
it's inconvenient to you. Steven, it is
clear to me that you do not wish to
correspond with any direct communication
despite you personally requesting so. To
say I'm disappointed with your behavior
would be a severe understatement. You
called me a liar publicly without even
asking for the truth or further
clarification. To me, it seems like the
only reason why you wanted to get
involved is that your name was attached
and you're more interested in damage
control for your brand than your brand's
actual integrity. I feel like we
wouldn't even be having this
conversation if there was not another
YouTuber in your space. I hope that you
could be professional about this going
forward, even though frankly you haven't
been through this entire nightmare
ordeal, but clearly that is not
possible. Hey Rachel, to start things
off, I replied to you on Twitter the way
I did out of frustration due to the
misinformation you have about me and how
you were talking about me without ever
contacting me directly prior. I'd
imagine you feel the same frustration if
someone had incorrect info about you,
and probably you do with how some people
went after you in the past with false
information. I truly don't want to
engage in internet drama that operates
off of gossip, but the amount of
misinformation you have is staggering.
So, I will set the record straight. As
far as you and me, I'm dumbfounded. We
hung out and that was it. I'm not sure
what you saw in hanging out with me, but
we just went our separate ways. All in
all, I feel blindsided by your emails,
Rachel. How can you say that you come to
me as an impartial individual? As far as
Chris goes, I heard through secondhand
sources of his stupid joke that Chris
made amends with you and that was the
end of it only for me to get accusatory
emails months later. You never reached
out to me officially. So, how could I
acknowledge anything besides? But
finally, I do have a lawyer and I will
gladly bring him into our conversation
to clear the air if needed. Now that it
has come to this degree of
misinformation on your end, I will do
everything within my power to clear the
record for the truth. And that includes
exploring legal avenues if necessary. I
hope this information helps and
convinces you to reconsider your
position. Your regards, Steven.
Steven, you've already passed the a
loted time I've given you to deal with
the situation privately, as outlined in
my first email, which I feel is
ridiculous considering you had access to
this information for more than a year,
regardless of where it came from. If
you're now going to sit there and
threaten me with legality after this
many private attempts at communication,
I will not be entering any further
discussion with you after this last
correspondence and cutting contact with
you at this point. The reality is I'm
incredibly uncomfortable with your
general approach in which your previous
email and how your public correspondence
has been addressed as well as you in
general. So I'll keep this as brief as
possible. To add to this, this whole I
will fight you for the truth tone. Your
whole last email in the Twitter thread
is drenched with undermines the actual
issues of the conversation on top of
assuming I'm going to publish
falsifiable information. Is that how you
talk to someone who's treated poorly by
a current employee in the past based on
all of your previous conversations?
Forgive me if you're not on the top of
my list of people who treat me with
assumed respect. In regards to your
response on my Twitter posting, your
heated response calling me a liar and
questioning my character publicly is
unacceptable. How you were particularly
feeling at the time doesn't justify
calling people names and treating them
poorly. As well, you could have DM' me
as requested several times or asked for
further information before responding in
such a tone. When all I ask regarding
this exchange is for you to apologize
publicly for something you did publicly,
you instead doubled down in the last
message and tried to justify your
feelings and only privately at that.
This doesn't strike me as someone who is
dealing with the situation with the
utmost maturity. But a desperate attempt
to distract from the actual issues and
make yourself the victim. The fact that
you're going about this route again,
even after I proved I wasn't lying the
first time, is [\h__\h] deranged.
regarding your access to the information
about the incident regarding Chris and
your insistence that I was the one who
directly discussed the information about
Chris instead of your general access to
said information seems to be misguided.
Do I have to tell you directly what to
do with an employee incident of this
scale for anything to happen? I shared
the confirmation I had from both and
that you had said information which came
off as indifference based on what I felt
as well as your correspondence with DA
games alluding to such as well as there
being a public safety report available
with public contact information present
for over a year regarding the situation.
So I don't understand how it's
particularly relevant how you learned
your employee sexually harassed someone
in the past. It just matters that it
happened. Even assuming you didn't know
about Chris's actions up to the Twitter
exchange, I still emailed you directly
to discuss it before it reached this
point, and you seemed to ignore that
email and only responded to a second
after my frustration became clearer. To
be frank, it doesn't matter how the
perpetrator feels how the resolution
went. But the fact that it happened in
the first place is unacceptable. Chris
is very obviously going to tell you
whatever you need to hear to keep his
job. It's all right, guys. The criminal
said the crime actually wasn't so bad
after all. Hell, it doesn't even matter
how I feel about it. Still, if you were
so concerned with my personal opinion on
the matter to the point whether it would
directly dictate your decision to keep
Chris on staff or not, I do not for the
life of me understand why you didn't
reach out to me directly or indirectly
through our friends. Great job updating
me on the current status of Chris's
employment even now. By the way, good
job. 10 out of 10. Regardless, this
isn't a joke, and your insistence as
such is the underlying problem of this
whole situation. How is it a [\h__\h]
joke to say you ejaculated on your
boss's clothing and say that to other
men multiple times? It cannot and should
not be belittled as just drama. Why
would I have gone through the trouble of
corresponding with DA Games or having a
safety report be written if I just
thought it was just a joke? I was and am
worried about the children Chris and the
greater DA Games community still have
access to. Even if I had forgiven Chris
for some reason, it wouldn't be
relevant. Even still, you seem to show
anger that I got at Chris's confession
on record in comparison, you know what
he actually confessed to you, with your
comment stating, "Are you going to
record the call without telling me the
same way you did Chris?" To be clear, he
is not the victim. Full stop. Neither
are you for that matter, Mr. Truth
Seeker. Publicly throwing the actual
recipient under the bus and siding with
the sexual harasser just because he did
not know he was going to be on record as
a sager concern on top of being
incorrect about your information is one
of the most idiotic parts of this whole
ordeal. I felt it was very obvious that
the intention was a recording for the
public record and a possible angle
interpretation of him being blindsided
by a bad joke turned public because I
want to be a [\h__\h] and cause problems is
just insulting and respectful on so many
levels. or how you put it, publicly
discussing halftruths to gain sympathy
and slander your name. Spoiler alert,
this isn't about you. Additionally, the
fact that I went out of my way to
privately talk to you directly after
several attempts to seek resolution with
the staff and wanted to ask on the
Twitter thread and still did not receive
a response until sending a second email
outlining my frustration is just
ridiculous. I then even provided
additional proof of racism and Nazi
imagery that Chris and Will displayed.
There are even incidents of
lollycon/child pornography and sharing
that material with minors allegedly
accidentally on the documentary linked
as well as will dating a minor in 2015.
If we only knew what Savior Spark
thought about Lollcon. Oh wait,
>> as his following grew, Cal became very
publicly outspoken with his dislike of
Lollcon and similar taboo art styles.
For those who are not familiar with
them, let's just say it's a
This additional document has been
publicly available for over 2 years. The
Diaame community server has had
pedophiles that were quietly kicked out
if slash when discovered instead of
publicly acknowledged. One has a
[\h__\h] bug shot on the document.
Since this all seems to have gone
ignored until now, on top of the safety
report of the incident being publicly
available for over a year, solidifies to
me my original assumption that you do
only care when you have consequences for
your lack of action. God forbid someone
is a creep on my staff. Just don't tell
the public he works for me. Does it not
seem like common sense to fire someone
who talks this way about others,
especially women, regardless of when it
happened? In the interest of openness,
though, I am open to do an on the record
three-way conversation between you and
myself to get to the truth of the matter
at a later time, but that will be at
your discretion as his boss and at his
comfort level. as I want to honor
request and not be involved anymore and
not emotionally distress him. But
bluntly, I will not tolerate the
consistent implications of
untruthfulness until this happens. Can
reach out in the future if he is
interested and comfortable about a
possible conversation. Lastly, as I
don't want to get too personal, but is
absolutely laughable that you consider
your romantic interest in me and our
friendship ending as mutually parting
ways. Like, what [\h__\h] planet are you
on? Is that how you summarize every one
of your failed courtships? Let me
refresh you on the experience.
After a month of spending time together
in person and your insistence that we
were just friends, your goal seemingly
was instead to spend time with me and
see if I would change my mind and be
open to a romantic relationship. At that
time, I felt like I'd finally had found
a like-minded content creator and friend
close and distance to me. I think I even
said something along the lines of,
"These feel like dates. I'm just making
sure we're hanging out as friends."
Right. After you grew distance, I felt
manipulated and pressured to say I was
open to dating in order to not lose that
friendship. You then dated Gab's sister
over me and then asked about my dating
availability immediately after that
ended. I tried to play it off but was
uncomfortable with the whole situation.
I felt like I was only important to you
if I was datable and a backup option at
that. Would I have been treated the same
way as a new potential friend if I was
male identifying? This is the whole
reason I went to your staff in the first
place and not you directly. I felt
objectified by my direct experiences
towards you and did not wish to repeat
said experiences for the sake of my own
mental health, but you implied you
needed the clarification. So there you
go, buddy. At this point, I feel
exacerbated with the favor I've given
you and others, personally,
professionally. So, I'll be ending the
conversation here to remind you I am not
a third party in the situation trying to
get cheap or easy views off a popular
content creator. This is how Chris
treated me behind my back. This is how
he never owned up to those actions till
I had to find out about them myself.
This is how his behavior has continued.
This is how the greater DA Games
community could be potentially harmful
to children. This is on top of Chris's
misogynistic, anti-semitic behavior that
I stupidly forced myself to tolerate
when he worked for me. And the fact that
I have to sit here and fight and scream
and kick for anyone to take this
seriously is so emotionally draining,
triggering, and insulting. This whole
situation has been a nightmare. But I'm
not going to sit here and let everyone
else pretend it's just a joke out of
public convenience. And I would bet good
money that he's still on your payroll.
I'm at a loss for words. Frankly, I do
not have the patience or emotional
bandwidth for your tone, your constant
violization, or to discuss this further
with you at this point for your own
perceived direct benefit. To be blunt,
you triggered the [\h__\h] out of me,
Steven, and I still tried multiple times
to communicate with you, but ultimately
was met with silence until now. You were
screaming on Twitter like a child at me
for months after trying to get any kind
of internal word on Chris and the
information being in the public eye and
you still haven't [\h__\h] apologized for
any of it. How do you think this makes
me feel? On top of that, only then to
even be taking it seriously because I
might make a video and hurt other
people's reputation really shows me how
being affected by all this really
matters in the long run to you. Sexual
harassment, use of Nazi imagery,
pedophilia. Fine to sweep it under the
rug. Just don't bring it up on Twitter.
>> Rammeses, you bring this upon yourself.
>> Part whatever. Chris isn't the victim.
Chris isn't the victim. I can't believe
I have to even have this segment. But
with the implication of Steven's, what
are you going to do? Record me comment
on top of Chris's statement talking
about the recording being without his
knowledge. Let's just clear this up. So
firstly, as already stated, I thought it
was obvious that a call was being
recorded for safety reasons because it's
about sexual harassment. It's not like a
fun call. Like I thought it was obvious.
Obviously, it wasn't. This isn't just
someone calling me a [\h__\h] or something
subliminally small. Like this is someone
using the fact that I am a girl as a way
to negatively sexualize me to make
themselves feel better. Should I have to
say that's not okay? Additionally, this
is someone I trusted enough to represent
me at a convention. This isn't just some
rando being a dick because he's mad at
me for existing on the internet. I think
that's why this sucks a little bit more.
>> Figures cuz [\h__\h] love bringing up old
stuff.
>> Something else to keep in mind is the
loss of reputation which is hard to
recover from. How did the receivers of
the story knowing that it's false or not
going to feel about the person who the
story is being told about? I didn't know
this was happening and I can't defend
myself for my reputation if I'm not
there. If it was a collaborator I was
interested in working with at the time,
he would definitely have negative
feelings about working with me now. What
happens if the story spreads or even
becomes distorted through a game of
telephone and changes depending on the
teller. First impressions can last
months or even years and will
psychologically affect personal
treatment and ideals, even the fact of
contrary evidence. See the political
landscape. This is not something Chris
came to me about after it happening. We
seemingly had a decent rapport up to
this point. Chris could have admitted
this happened years ago and I would have
still been pissed, but at least he would
have owned up to it and maybe made a
public apology, but instead I had to
hear it from a witness. It makes me feel
like crap. It makes me feel like my
personal comfort, safety, and privacy is
less important than convenience or the
bro code. At the same point, I want to
analyze the implications of
mistreatment. Like, if Chris really felt
this way, I don't know why it didn't
come up at that moment he was making
those jokes or after or even when I
confronted him. It came up on an apology
statement as a vague reference. This is
actual sexualized art, a sexualized
story, buying me a Discord figure years
ago. And he also made comments on my
body when I did the ice bucket
challenge. So, three sex things plus a
potential romantic gesture. Chris may
have been bitter because I didn't
reciprocate romantic feelings or
something. Turns out editing for free
isn't a winning strategy for dating KP.
>> And then things got worse.
>> Hi, I'm Courtney. You may know me as
Pete or Orchard, but honestly, call me
what you like. KP reached out to me a
few weeks ago asking me to cover the
Gabe story in more detail as she was
busy working on this video here, and I
unfortunately have a fair share of
experience with recognizing online
grooming, and I'm pretty unashamed in
speaking out loudly against it. Gabriel
C. Brown, also known as Black Griffin
Online, has had growing speculations and
concerns regarding his relationship with
his now wife and voice actress of
Sweetie Bell and My Little Pony. From
most accounts, it looks as if Gabe had
groomed his now wife from the time she
was 14 until she pursued him herself at
the age of 20. After their announced
engagement and subsequent marriage, Gabe
faced growing accusations online of
grooming his wife. He dismissed the
accusations under the guise that he had
not known her prior to her being 20, and
any interactions they did have while she
was a minor were strictly professional
and in convention spaces only. A Google
document has since been created
compiling evidence from Gabe and his
wife's own Twitter and YouTube accounts,
proving these dismissals to be false, as
well as proving multiple other instances
of Gabe showcasing problematic behavior.
I've covered the topic in a little more
depth in an hourong video on my channel,
which will no doubt be linked in the
description below. Anyway, I'm sprinkled
throughout this video a few times, so I
shall see you all in my next segment.
I became a fan of Saber Spark when I was
in high school when I found his essay
titled Ballad of the Brony in 2011.
After graduating and turning 18, I added
him on Skype to tell him I was a big fan
of his. He added me back almost
instantly and we had a conversation
ending with him giving me his phone
number, which was a really big deal to
me at the time since this was the first
time interacting with any sort of
celebrity. I had developed a parasocial
crush on him due to being starruck,
which was something he was aware of. We
would talk on Skype and text each other
semi-frequently leading up to the first
time meeting him. In 2012, I went to my
first pony convention. This was my first
time ever traveling by myself and was
soon after the two of us became friends.
When I met up with him in person, he
invited me to his hotel room, and he
showed me the video he was editing on
his laptop, causing me to internally
geek out. I was really nervous being
alone in a hotel with someone I was a
huge fan of and had a crush on. But I
tried to play it cool. He was four to 5
years older than me, making me feel more
nervous and out of place. He would bring
up the prospects of the two of us dating
and how it didn't feel right for us to
do so. After that, he almost immediately
initiated making out with me and guided
me to his bed. In this moment, he did
not directly ask me for consent. I was
thrown onto his bed and he would insert
himself into me. Saber Spark was also
significantly larger than me as I was an
80s something pound 18-year-old girl, so
I physically could not stop him. I felt
extremely nervous and uncomfortable
because I had never experienced having
any sort of sexual intimacy with someone
I was not dating before, much less
someone I just met. I was very new to
meeting people online in general. At
that moment, I laid there dissociating
as I felt very wrong while trying to
rationalize it in my head to convince
myself it was a safe and normal
encounter. He brushed off to clean and
finish himself and came back to the bed
and offered me a handshake, saying,
"Friends." This would cause me for the
rest of the event to feel that I was
taken advantage of and ashamed of myself
for not trying to stop the interaction.
Though I tried pretending I was fine to
everyone around me, I was and still am
demisexual, and being put in that
position was not something I wanted. I
maintained the friendship until a second
occurrence happening at a completely
different Ponycon in 2013. This time we
met in a public space but had no one
around and talked for a while. He kept
bringing up the prospects of us starting
a relationship but how it felt wrong. He
would grab my hand saying how it felt so
right only to push my hand away saying
but so wrong. I had decided that my
crush on him was something I needed to
get over because I felt that my emotions
were being toyed with. He then suggested
going to a more public space around
others and we went into the elevator to
go up to the lobby of the Ponycon Hotel.
As soon as the door closed, Saber Spark
forcefully shoved me against the wall
and shoved his tongue down my throat. It
scared me and actually hurt, triggering
another attack of dissociation. Once
again, he did not ask for consent when
throwing me into this situation. Once
the doors opened and people were
present, this led me to feel very
embarrassed.
He got off me and took my hand and
guided me towards the stairs to go back
down to where we just were and into a
men's restroom where he pulled his pants
down and guided my hands and head to
perform oral sex on him. I was afraid of
denying him because of past experiences
with sexual assault. So, I did it to get
it over with without wanting to cause a
problem where he would ejaculate on my
face, apologize profusely, and then
offered the same handshake as he did at
the con I initially met him, saying,
"Friends." Despite pretending I was
fine, I had slowly begun pulling away
from Saber Spark. I cried that night
while staying with a friend, but waited
for that friend to fall asleep so no one
could hear me, and I would cry for
months, feeling ashamed of myself for
putting myself in a compromising
situation with someone I hardly knew. I
had always felt taken advantage of by
him and tried being friendly and
pretending nothing was wrong because it
was all I knew how to do. I would blame
myself for the interactions for years,
only opening up to a few close people,
questioning if consent was implied
because of my crush and unwillingness
and fear to outright stop the advances
because of how uncomfortable I felt. I
understand that there is a possibility
that he felt consent was implied because
he knew I had a crush on him. However,
he did not once ask for consent directly
and was instead thrown into these sexual
encounters, usually very suddenly. There
were no discussions about the power
dynamic between us as a popular content
creator and a fan at any time and my
parasocial connection to him and not
wanting someone I was a fan of to hate
me if I rejected him, leaving me afraid
to stop his advances. Over time, I grew
increasingly distant and would
eventually end contact completely. I
don't feel safe enough to fully come
forward because I don't want his fans
and friends or even him to harass or
contact me publicly. I wish to stay
anonymous so I can avoid the anxiety and
stress of being targeted by either him,
his friends, and especially his fans as
Saber Spark has over 2 million
subscribers. And even sharing my story
at all has me feeling really afraid. I
have seen other instances of Saber Spark
using his enormous platform to confront
people online. he has had conflict with.
I have also witnessed several instances
of his friends attempting to justify him
and others actions. I was not made aware
of his jokes about consent and his
recent behavior involving Chris until
only recently and had left my stomach
and knots. I please ask above all else
for my privacy to be respected. I don't
wish to publicly defend my personal
experience and just wish to share my
experience.
So, welcome to the video where we break
this down a little bit more and talk
about what is consent because yeah, it's
an important discussion here. So,
because this is a really serious
conversation and I know almost nothing
about sexual assault, I invited Courtney
again. She's all over this video to talk
about like what is consent and when's
consent is there and when it's not
there. Um, it's we're having a great
time here at the the the worst video
ever and just kind of break it down so
we have a better understanding. And all
you nerds out there, don't do something
really really bad like this. Um, don't
do it, guys. Don't
don't do it. Hi again, Courtney.
Welcome. You'll be in the video
everywhere at this point. Hello
everybody. It is I. I have returned once
again. So happy to be here.
So, I've shown you the testimony at this
point. Um, what what are your general
vibes on it besides icky and um sad and
I I I don't know. This is just like
super triggering to me cuz
Yeah. So, I thought I'd also bring you
in there, bring you in here to to hold
my hand during this. But yeah.
Yeah. In terms of the testimony, it's
just it's just kind of heartbreaking
really. Uh it's just it's always
heartbreaking to me when people question
their own sexual assault just because of
the lack of education around it.
And like something that I just want to
say to anybody out there is
a consensual sexual encounter is never
something you're going to question
afterwards.
Okay? Like you just don't question a
consensual encounter. Sure, you may have
a consensual encounter that's
unsatisfying.
You may have one that you, you know,
regret that might, you may look back on
one and go, you know, if I could make
that decision again, I probably
wouldn't.
But
people don't question consensual sexual
experiences with did I just get violated
to be quite honest.
And like the other thing that kind of
breaks my heart is
there's one point in her testimony where
where she questions if I'm remembering
this correctly that like maybe she was
at fault because she had a crush on him.
Like maybe she gave the wrong signal or
something. Maybe she implied something
or he thought consent was implied
because he knew there was a crush on
her. Like
in in all honesty, consent is never
implied.
Like even even secure, confident
individuals in a in a sexual encounter
will check in with their partner as
things escalate and change gears and and
they'll say things like, you know, are
you okay? Should we keep going? Is this
good? Like because consent is not
something that is implied. It's never
something that's implied.
It's it's not you know an absence of a
no is not a yes in any regard. An
absence of
uh resistance is not compliance. And
even in that regard compliance is not an
invitation.
>> Mhm. Because this girl had a crush on
Saber. It was okay that he just kind of
initiated things. And then especially
too in the elevator in a public space
when he's just much larger than her like
physically. I don't know. It's it's all
icky. But like what what would you
define consent as? And when would you
define like obviously this isn't it for
sure, but go ahead. And in terms of like
a definition of consent and what it is
and what it isn't, um consent is an
excited yes. consent is exuberant
um what's the word I'm looking for um
payback for lack of a better term I
guess like
two people in a consensual encounter
engage in a give and take like it's
never just one person doing all of the
action and the other person just laying
there like like a bump on a log you know
it's an action that two people engage in
when it's consensual
Um, nine times out of 10 when it's one
person just using another person's body
for sexual gratification,
that's not a consensual encounter. That
is just a violation of somebody's
person.
And it's actually pretty common for like
sexual aggressors to attack somebody
like in a in a innocuous sort of sense
like in the elevator, especially at like
a convention or something like that in
public because
it sort of um dissuades the the the
target or the victim from actually
saying anything because like half the
time people will think, well, this is
being done in public. Surely somebody's
going to say something so I don't have
to. But the other part of them doesn't
want to cause a scene and be embarrassed
because they're already embarrassed by
the fact that they're being attacked.
The fact that PDA in general is seen as
like a sort of cringy embarrassing thing
and like they don't want to draw more
attention to themselves,
especially while they're dealing with
the fact that they're being attacked.
And part of them just hopes that
somebody's going to do it anyway. like
like step in and say something anyway.
And the problem with with the public the
general public is they sort of fall into
the someone else will deal with it
mentality whereas everybody sort of
assumes that somebody else is going to
step in and say something so they
therefore then won't.
Well, the other thing I wanted to throw
in there too is um nothing that's
illegal, but kind of the parasocial
relationship of like, you know, it's
always it seems like it's a common thing
where like, you know, back in the day
rock stars would sleep with their
groupies kind of thing, but now it's
kind of more
discussed that that's a paradic that
shouldn't really be abused. And
especially when you don't really know
someone in person, you know, like um
from the testimony, this is her first
time in person with Saber
and he immediately jumps, not
immediately, but he pretty much
immediately jumps on her. So that also
kind of gave me a big ick. Any thoughts
on that? And one other thing I wanted to
add in is that, you know, confident
individuals in a sexual encounter
don't have to assume that consent is
there because they will ask. And to be
honest, the only time you're not asking
or checking for consent is because you
know yourself that the yes is not there
and you don't want to hear the no. So
you will not ask. Okay? Because if you
think consent is complied and you think
the person that is, you know, on the
other end of it is actively
participating,
if you know the answer is going to be
yes, then what do you have to lose by
just asking and being a responsible
individual when it comes to sexual
practice and just asking? And the
difference between
like rock stars sleeping with groupies
comes down to like literally consent.
Like the there's a big difference
between, you know, the chick who's going
to see the rockstar perform and like
flashing her titties while he's
performing and then going and flashing
her titties to the bouncer to get
backstage and then flashing her titties
in the rockstar's face. probably making
out with them a bit of her own valition
and one of them saying, "Hey, let's go
back and sleep in the van." Like, there
are multiple instances where consent is
very very clearly given by the groupy
sleeping with the rockstar. And like,
yeah, there may be a certain power
dynamic and like there absolutely is
multiple instances of rock stars abusing
that to be like, "Hey, well, I'm famous.
Show me your titties." But there's a big
difference between going, "Hey, I'm
famous. Show me your titties." and
someone going, "I'm showing you my
titties because I want to sleep with
you." Right? Like just just the act of
like basically showing you my titties is
in in most circumstances an invitation
to touch my body. Okay.
In no way is I'm a big fan of yours an
invitation to touch somebody's body. And
I also find it really, really weird that
this dude meets a fan,
gets the inkling she has a crush on him,
so he invites her back to his hotel
room. Okay? Like, getting invited back
to the hotel room has sexual
connotations.
And the fact that she didn't realize
that just shows how naive she was. and
the fact that none of that was
communicated because clearly he knew
what he was inviting her back to the
hotel room for, but she didn't.
And that just gives me like major the
major ick to be quite honest because
like
it's really as if Saber is acting like
he's Jean Simmons inviting you back to
you know the the hotel room when in
reality he's
a pudgy brony YouTuber
showing you his his animations before he
shows you his dick. Like that's not the
same thing at all. Like do you think
there was some kind of weird parasocial
dynamic too that she felt uncomfortable
you know advocating for herself because
like oh this is the real Saber Spark TM
like I don't want to feel like you know
he might say something on Twitter you
know blast me publicly like is there
pressure just generally speaking when
celebrities you know have those kind of
encounters with fans I guess
>> of course she would have felt
uncomfortable advocating for herself
like Most most fans don't get to meet
their idol in person. So meeting your
idol in person is already a very um like
exalted sort of status. Like that's
something most fans dream of but never
actually get to. So once you put a fan
in the situation where they're meeting
their idol in person, something they
dream probably never thought would
happen but always dreamed would happen,
no fan is going to do something that's
going to jeopardize that. And that
includes offending their idol. And like
it's it the idol knows that. And for
like say like anybody to sit there and
be like well you know what if what if so
and so wasn't aware of the power dynamic
like they always know. You can always
tell you can always feel it. You can
tell when somebody is fanirling and
to like for someone who's going to sit
there and pray on that and be like well
I know you're not going to say no to me
or at least give me a hard boundary that
could possibly offend me. So, I'm going
to exploit that by asking things of you
that I know you wouldn't say yes to in
any other situation.
And like
to be quite honest, no fan is going to
do any most, sorry, most fans are not
going to do anything other than fall
into line with that because again,
they're getting to an exalted status of
getting to meet their idol in person.
You know, they've been a fan of this
person. They've done art for this
person. They've dreamed of meeting this
person. They're not going to jeopardize
that by offending that person by saying
no.
>> And not that those relationships can't
happen, but it's very tricky water as
far as, you know, establishing
and acknowledging the power dynamic and
discussing it before like even anything
were to happen. But I don't know, my
whole mo has never really been to go
date your fans cuz you know it like your
your fans are not a dating pool. They're
like they're just, you know, they're
there to consume your content. I don't
know. It just ick this it's not it's not
technically illegal, but it just kind of
ick to me.
>> And in terms of dating your fans, like I
don't know. I just kind of miss the days
where it was considered just not kosher
to date from your fan base. Like that
was considered poor form
because like your fans aren't your
peers. And I just I always question why
like when somebody can't pull from their
peers, like why is it that you can't
like land somebody and date somebody
who's like on an even playing field with
you? Why does there have to be a power
imbalance?
And and I that's always like the the
trend with these types like there if you
look at like their most of their
relationships, they're all there's
always a power imbalance. And if you
have a track record of having a power
imbalance in your relationships,
what is wrong with you? Like, why do you
need to have a oneup on somebody in
order to be in a relationship with them?
Like, you need therapy. Yeah, it's so
fun here. Um, I think that's it,
Courtney, unless you have anything else
to add. Like, anything else you want to
add that that you remember from the
testimony that you want to comment on?
>> If you question if it's a violation, it
probably was.
If you feel violated,
that was not consent.
Your feelings matter. Your feelings are
valid.
Consent is never implied.
Um,
real men who get [\h__\h] ask for
consent. I guess that's it.
Uh, what a what a good way to to end the
video. Not end the video, end the
segment. What a good way to end the
segment. Part five, why make this video?
Unfortunately, this is insight about how
content creators can respond to
situations of sexual harassment and more
damning incidents. It's important to
talk about how this stuff isn't okay,
and it's not something to make jokes out
of. I personally shouldn't have to be
sexualized or belittled because someone
didn't get what they wanted and in a
professional setting. The story and the
other incidents are taken to an extreme.
I should not have to fight with people
to get justice for something like this
or for other victims. And especially on
receiving responses when there only
might be repercussions on the line. It's
messed up. And I'm hoping this can be a
learning experience for anyone who has
ever made a nasty meme or taken
something too far. Admitting it and
apologizing without being prompted can
go a long way. And thinking about
possible consequences should be as well.
Chris didn't just make up a bad story.
He did some other unsavory stuff.
combined with the lack of action when a
groomer is in the DA game space when
there are children in there is
unacceptable. There is nothing bad or
off-brand about kicking a pedophile out
of your community and letting other
adjacent communities know. It also seems
to me that many popular content creators
don't know or frankly don't care about
keeping their community safe when it
comes to problematic behavior. There
will be confrontation involved. So, if
you don't like confrontation, maybe
think twice about being a content
creator. If you don't want so much
responsibility, then consider making
your public spaces 18 plus, but even
then, there still might be creeps. So, I
made a quick little guide, KP's guide to
dealing with bad people in your
community. Number one, listen to someone
if they have a serious concern, and make
sure they have screenshots if possible.
And if you're too busy, get a mod team
to help you with this. Number two, if
the screenshots are damning enough, skip
step three and remove them from your
space. Number three, if there are no
screenshots, confront the person with
the issue stated and get their side of
the story. Have others weigh in on the
decision if it's a hard one. Number
four, make a Google doc with problematic
or unsafe behavior so it can be shared
with other communities and this person
can't prey on another fan group. Number
five, look out for name changes in
general suspicious behavior, especially
in fandom communities. All in all, these
people seem to be unsafe around children
because they don't seem to care about
holding anyone accountable. And Saber
probably didn't think all this through
because he didn't think it was going to
be public. Oops. # sorry not sorry. Part
six. [\h__\h] on Lily Orchard because
it's fun.
So, welcome to the Lily section for the
people who only care about her and not
any of the other stuff. Fun fact, Lily
just rebranded herself as C D Call
because it's totally about not escaping
all the pedophilia and abuse claims and
just making people happy with her
sunshiny content cuz her content's
always just so positive and great and
Jesus [\h__\h] Christ, she's not [\h__\h]
fooling anyone.
>> Are you a rotten liar?
>> KP wanted to talk to Sketchy about all
these accusations made against me and
then show screenshots that made it very
obvious that she's lying. Sketchy says
rather plainly, "I am not comfortable
discussing my friends when they're not
around." To which KP offers adding a
third party whose relation to the case
she has yet to disclose. But she is
unfortunately missing the point. Sketchy
did not want to have this conversation
while I wasn't present. So, the third
party had to be me.
>> So, sketchy stuff was generally taken
out of context. In the screenshot I'm
showing you, Sketchy basically said he
wasn't open to the conversation, even
though I offered if a third party was
present, and he still said no. The third
party was implied to be Lily herself.
So, it didn't seem to me that he was
open to the conversation regardless if
Willie was there or not. If he was open
to the conversation when Willie was
there, then he should have clarified
that with communication. And I'm still
open to have that conversation even now.
So, like, let's go, bro.
>> You move, chief.
>> The other thing in the first screenshot
is that he just assumes I'm projecting.
Like, that's a weird thing to say for
someone I don't really talk to that
often. I don't want to speculate on
private conversation with Lily, but am I
wrong to say that's a little sussy? It
seems obvious to me that Lily talked to
him before I confronted him, but I'm not
100% sure. I'm not going to sit here and
speculate that. Oh, fun fact, Sketchy is
also a not safe for work furry artist,
which fine, you live your best life,
Sketchy. But you know what? I don't
think furries are really into the whole
pedophilia scene. So, you know what' be
great? If all the furries spread the
word and said not to commission this guy
cuz he's friends with a pedophile.
>> You're an angry mom.
>> What are we?
>> You're an angry mom. Let's talk about
the recording confrontation. So,
generally what happened during the
segment is Lily kind of manipulated what
I said and miscommunicated some things.
So, I'm here to clarify because, you
know, [\h__\h] Lily, who cares? So, number
one, Lily totally skips the part of the
confrontation where she lies about
Stockholm. So, I was really [\h__\h]
pissed off at uh the fact that Finn
fiction just basically basically just
kind of let anything go in regard in
regards to content and just hosted a
shitload of child porn. So, I wrote a
book where basically a bunch of p So, I
wrote a a fick where a bunch of
pedophiles just get shot in the head and
then bronies got really mad about it and
started lying about its contents.
>> That's a weird thing to leave out for
someone who wants to tell the truth.
Isn't that convenient?
>> Um, KP, people have made worse
accusations about you.
>> Yeah, because allegedly treating your
employees poorly is totally worse than
raping your own little sister.
>> She needs to sort out her priorities.
>> KP decides my denying of the accusations
carries less weight than her making them
because she just decided that was the
case.
>> I never accused anyone of lying and Lily
just was like, I don't want you talking
to Courtney. So, as a favor to you, if I
reached out to Courtney and got her to
apologize for the trans the trans
>> No, no, no. I do not want you to reach
out to Courtney at all.
>> Just seems like a weird thing to say. If
you have nothing to hide, Pearl reaction
to me just asking about it was so
defensive.
>> That's just a question. No need to get
so defensive.
>> And where have they said worse things
about me? I want you to site your
sources.
>> Never mind that when you don't have a
significant social media presence, you
have nothing to lose and everything to
gain by doing it. Yeah, because I'm
going to come out of total obscurity to
accuse someone of rape for a thousand
subscribers on YouTube. Makes sense.
>> Do you even hear yourself?
>> Never mind that this is literally policy
in some states.
>> The [\h__\h] What even? You're not even
American, you stupid girl. Girl, can you
not? I want to kiss your face with a
hammer.
>> She then decided to offer to mediate a
call between me and Courtney. And are
you [\h__\h] kidding me? Oh boy. Yeah, I
sure I would love it if the queen of the
lollipop guild organized a call between
me and my abuser like we're on an
episode of [\h__\h] smiling friends just
because she's a gullible [\h__\h] with all
the political awareness of a drunk
sparrow in a rave.
>> The [\h__\h] How is this political? Why a
sparrow? Is that like a metaphor for
something you made up in your head?
>> That is without a doubt the dumbest
thing I've ever heard. Some people were
surprised at how abruptly I ended the
call when KP said she wasn't comfortable
with the accusations made against me. I
just said, "All right, bye." and left
and blocked her on everything. Simple
reason for that. I don't want to be
friends with anyone who believes any of
this garbage, and that's something I'm
entitled to do.
>> Yeah, sure. I never said you can't do
that. It's just a little defensive and
weird.
>> I didn't yell. I didn't scream. I didn't
call her any names. I just said bye and
left. Girl, you called her a bunch of
names in this video and demeaned her
intelligence. Actually, bye. Okay, I'm
out. Can't do this anymore. Need to go
home. I never said I believed in the
accusations, just that they made me
uncomfortable and wanted to ask Lily
about them. Is that not communicating?
Lily, you always hemmed and hollered
about, "Oh, no one ever communicates
with me. They never set boundaries and
then they just leave when I make them
uncomfortable." I just wish people would
communicate and tell me when they're
uncomfortable so we can find solutions
together.
>> You're such a hypocrite. because I'm
communicating that I'm uncomfortable.
Suddenly, I'm a gullible [\h__\h] Gee, I
wonder why your friends don't feel like
they can communicate with you.
>> You can go back over the podcast we did
talking about personal trauma where I
bring up most of the stuff and she's
just kind of disinterested in anything
that isn't about her. We just kind of
accepted that. I mean, it's not that KP
was a shitty friend. It's just that she
was just kind of there and it was
something that made cutting the thread
upon KP crossing my strictest boundaries
easier to do. Let's talk about how I
didn't want to interrupt someone who's
talking about their trauma. Michaela
also had to push me to communicate with
Lily. And Lily actively flirting with me
was a little uncomfy, especially live.
>> Like literally everyone, [\h__\h] you. KP is
an absolutely lovely person.
>> Yay. I'm I'm I'm going to slowly I've
made this joke like privately, but like
I'm slowly going to acquire a lesbian
army and take over the world. Just give
it time. Anyway,
>> that is like that is the that is that is
the most aggressive polycule ever. Lily
clearly never ever wanted to [\h__\h] me.
Never ever. And I never ever had a
reason to not want to open up to her.
And she seems to think that's some kind
of personal slight against her. That I
never warmed up to her in the way she
wanted me to. Then I learned about how
she raped her sister and about Stockholm
and the dog [\h__\h] And you [\h__\h]
wonder where I'm like, "Yeah, maybe Lily
Orchard isn't like the best person."
>> Well, stay away from her then.
>> This isn't even to call KP a bad person
for being an aloof, self-centered weirdo
who's always disassociating. Lily,
you're being ableist. Just because you
also have PTSD doesn't mean it's cool to
say that I'm odd in the head.
>> It's just that all that stuff made me
realize I wasn't really going to miss
her.
>> Oh no, the incestuous pedophile rapist
doesn't want me in her polycill anymore.
Whatever shall I do?
>> Stop. Don't come back.
>> In general, you should always be
extremely suspicious of any accuser who
tries to convince you not to listen to
the accused response.
>> But that's what you did, Lily. That's
what you did. Oh, PS. Yes, on the
Britney section, Lily cropped out a lot
of Britney's talking points to sound
like she was talking to herself. So, go
check Britney's logs and report back.
That's your homework. Unless you're
stupid enough to believe Lily on her
word, which, you know, can't really help
you there. And also, she cut out all the
dog [\h__\h] pictures in the patch
section. So, you know,
when we were So, we start we started
school at like five or six. Lily started
at 5:00, I started at 6:00, and we
always got the bus up at the top
entrance of the uh the trailer park
where there was the store. Now, the
trailer park used to be gated for
whatever reason. And the the stone walls
that held the gates are still in place.
I'm pretty sure they might even still be
there to this day, but they were when we
were growing up. And you know, people
used to just stick their chewed gum to
it to discard their gum. Yeah.
>> And while we were waiting for the bus up
by that store, Lily made a habit
starting at like 7 years old of like
peeling the gum off of this wall and
eating it.
>> Not like chewing it, just like
swallowing it, just eating it.
>> It reminds me of that scene in Elf where
he's just going around New York City and
he's just like picking the gum off the
the sidewalks.
>> Exactly. And and it was so funny because
I'd see her doing it and then of course
being 6 years old and that being
disgusting, I'd go rat her out to her
mother and her mother would come over
and start screaming at her to drop the
gum and like a dog with something it's
not supposed to eat, Lily would just
start shoving it into her mouth faster.
>> Did she ever get sick like from this?
Cuz this is like like like
who who knows who's putting the gum
there? I've been asked that before, but
surprisingly I don't think she ever did.
>> Like she wasn't sick a lot as a kid.
>> Oh,
>> other than like the scarlet fever and
the chickenpox. She really didn't
actually get sick that much. Neither of
us really did. But no, she just like and
it was it was such a problem that like
we switched bus stops
because she wouldn't stop eating the
gum.
So, what was the reason that like she
was even just just out of like boredom
or something or like she found the gum
and she's like, "Ooh, that's colorful.
I'm going to put it in my mouth." That's
what she said.
I mean, if she was really that like
mentally incapacitated at seven, maybe
that was the mindset. I really couldn't
tell you what what brings one to seed
gum crammed into a stone wall that makes
you think I should put that in my mouth
and then you go through the effort of
prying it off with little the all the
little stones that are in it and you
just go yes in my mouth it goes
>> uh I mean like you made a good point
that even when you were younger you kind
of knew that was a little off so it's
not like she you know was just being a
dumb kid. I mean, I guess to some
extent, but like
>> at the same time thinking because for
Lily, like negative attention was still
attention
>> and getting yelled at by her parents was
attention. So, whatever whatever made
that happen was a good thing.
>> And like someone might suggest someone
might suggest in the comments of this
video that maybe Lily had pika. No, she
didn't cuz she didn't eat weird things
like she didn't like pick off the
drywall and eat it or eat stones. No, it
was just already chewed gum.
>> What is pika? It's a it's like a I think
it's classified as a disorder, but it's
a phenomenon where people will start
eating things that are not food items
and typically it's because of like a
mineral deficiency or something. I think
there's also links to um like
psychological issues, but a lot of the
times it's your body is seeking some
sort of vitamin or mineral and then you
end up somehow getting that from eating
non-food items. Usually it like happens
in terms of like stone
>> like you'll find people eating rocks and
it turns out that they have like a
calcium or something deficiency
>> like so so how long did this go on for
like a year or two? Uh, no. It was a
good like it was a good couple of weeks
because like our mom was on her every
time. It got to the point where when we
would go walk to the bus stop in the
morning, she would be like, "Now, Lily,
don't eat the [\h__\h] gum off the wall.
Like, just sit there and lecture her and
then like I don't know, like a
handicapped toddler, she got off the
leash and then would go straight for the
gum."
I like how there's already fan art of
her like looking like a little gobble
eating the gum. We need more fan art of
this. I mean, she kind of was like a
little gobling cuz like it got to the
point, I mean, it it happened enough
times that the other kids at the bus
stop would just kind of like hang off
like a little bit of ways from the wall
and just sort of watch her do it.
So, she literally would be like crouched
on top of this wall just with an
audience just prying up this gum and
then yum yum.
>> Oh, that's nasty. And it was never like
the same energy of when she chewed my
Barbie shoes because she always had this
habit of chewing up the shoes of my
Barbies. Um, never their feet, but just
the shoes, which honestly I just chocked
up to, well, she's she's like ADHD and
autistic. She chews on [\h__\h] Of course
she chewed on the plastic shoes. It
pissed me off, but whatever. But it was
never the same energy because like it
was only that wall. Oh, like yeah, it
must have been for attention like which
is doesn't make it not gross but like uh
don't do that guys.