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This video is not suitable for all ages and should only be viewed by viewers 18 or older due to the nature of the content discussed and the discussion of sexual predators on the internet.

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Trigger warnings for the following. Pedophilia, Lollicom and Child Pornography, suicide, grooming, antisemitism, and Nazi imagery, sexual harassment and sexual objectification, bestiality and zophilia, and rape.

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Please do not harass anyone named in this video.

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Hello viewers, welcome to another segment of maybe the internet was a big fucking mistake.

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Big mistake. Big. Huge.

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On a more serious note, this video covers sexual gratification as well as general sexual harassment.

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And it's a very depressing story.

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If you're a kid who somehow got past the age restriction, please go away now. Just go.

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Now, I don't like covering these stories.

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We're an animation channel.

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We cover very important stuff like Disney and...

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not Disney things sometimes.

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But I like to think of myself with the John Stewart of the YouTube animation community.

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I call things out when I feel like I can add something to the conversation.

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And it's important to talk about when YouTubers are misusing their platform.

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So what's the no fun situation?

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Because I hate it here.

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I don't want to be alive anymore.

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I've chosen not to keep this person anonymous because I believe this is not a mistake or slip of the tone.

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This is an active attempt of slander and misogyny, and that's just not acceptable.

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Also, because,

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this incident wasn't freely admitted to me.

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I had to have someone else tell me that this was going on, in a professional setting.

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And he couldn't even tell me himself.

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Chris was a team member roughly from 2014 to 2015.

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I know, I'm old.

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Chris was generally a nice guy in my time knowing him, but he exhibited weird behavior.

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Like, you just draw this for your boss, right?

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If memory serves, there's also a nude version.

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That's disgusting.

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He was also my first trip to Everfree Northwest, the one we did the blog about it.

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the one we did the blog about. He's this guy here. The story is as follows. I'm not going to read it myself because it's going to make me sick, so I'm just going to have someone else read it.

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At some point, over the last few years, Chris told his story. Allegedly several times, that in the bathroom of the hotel where the group was staying, he was masturbating to K.P's clothing.

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Chris states that this is a lie, as he was actually constipated during the trip.

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And there were no witnesses to his masturbation story in or near the hotel room. We didn't.

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don't know the details about who the story was told too, besides the whistleblower who will remain anonymous.

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But it was likely Will Ryan, head of the YouTube channel, DA Games. As Chris and Will are friends, as well as friends and or employees of that YouTube channel.

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Chris also started working for DA games shortly after leaving the I Love Composible and Law Production Team.

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So the timelines track.

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Once K.P was informed that this incident took place, she confronted him via text and an audio confession.

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The audio is linked in the description if you would like to listen to the whole thing yourself.

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All right. Well, first, I think it's the obvious thing is one. I just want to profusely apologize for that terrible fucking thing I did. And that God was an absolute horrible person so many years ago. And you didn't deserve that. So, you didn't deserve that. So.

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Right. So I have a couple of things. So my source says you told this story in front of Will and Sean a couple other people. Is that correct?

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That would probably be correct. Yeah.

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So Will has heard the story probably in passing a couple of times, correct?

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Yeah, probably once.

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Okay. Same with Sean?

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Yeah, Sean.

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Okay. Did you talk to Sean?

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privately about anything else that happened when you were working on the team that I don't know about?

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Not that I can remember.

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Nothing, I say, is meant to excuse what I did because it's inexcusable what I did.

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Do you want me to say what the story was just for context or do you want to explain it?

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I mean, I guess it makes more sense if I do, because I don't think it's fair for you to have to reiterate that horrible thing.

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Sure, go ahead.

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Yeah, so the old pail goes is that I pleasured myself in the hotel bathroom we were sharing during one of our breaks when everyone was gone and whatever.

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and that I fell off the John after basically getting lightheaded from what would be ejaculation falling on the floor where your dirty clothes also happened to be and that my face planted on your underwear.

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Part of my PD version, I have a six-year-old in the other room.

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I wasn't aware of that, but thanks for being honest.

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Chris and his audio testimony assured his other boss, YouTuber Saberspark wasn't told this story.

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But it's unclear how truthful Chris is being when he says that.

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Chris also tries to steer the conversation to not include too much explicitly, stating that, quote,

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there is a baby in the other room, unquote.

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But that also might have been a ploy to lessen the harshness of the anger present.

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Regardless, since Chris says he was lying about the whole incident, it's difficult to take his word

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on anything due to this lie and the actions he took regarding it.

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So once I was informed with this information and got Chris admitting to it,

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I sent that proof to Saberspark through mutual friends and to DA Games.

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After reaching out twice and waiting months for any private messages,

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I eventually received someone at DA Games in their totally real HR department that totally exists,

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even though I couldn't find any proof of it online.

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That's totally not run by Will's roommate, who's financially dependent on him.

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And for the record, I assume.

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and Chris knew he was being recorded because it was a call about safety.

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It only gets worse from here.

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I'm gonna need every last drop of this.

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Let's bring a political comparison.

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For those who forgot or are not American, good for you.

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The 2016 leak of the Hollywood Axis tape was a big deal.

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In a bus, we have an orange man who shall not be named.

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And Billy Bush, a member of the Bush family.

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he is a cousin of President George W. Bush,

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or is my Gen Z audience would.

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No, the shoe guy.

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Who throws a shoe? Honestly.

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Orange Man was talking about women in an inappropriate way.

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Google it if you want to.

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This whole script is giving me a fucking headache.

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You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful.

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I just start kissing them.

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It's like a magnet.

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Now, even though this was in 2005 and leaked in 2016,

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and even though Billy Bush was now working for the Today Show and not Hollywood Access,

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where the tape was obtained, Bush was still fired on moral grounds, not contract obligations.

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It seems like keeping him on full.

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staff would be a bad look for the Today Show, despite this happening over 10 years ago.

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Imagine that. So I find this before his contract excuse to be weak at best. The ironic thing is,

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Bush was mostly going along with what was said. Chris actually did more than Bush did and suffered

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less consequences. As well, if Chris told the story multiple times, I would assume one of those times

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was after his contract was signed. But don't worry, Chris can still run for president.

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Just listen to how Bush just

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describe it affecting his family. What was it like for you to go back home after the tape had been released? To face your daughters, your wife, what was that moment like for you?

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Well, the initial moments were total chaos. The paparazzi were never interested in me before and now they're outside the gate and ready to go. But once we settled and got to connect, there was a power for

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moment my now 16 year old daughter called me and she was in tears and she was really upset and I said Mary it's it's going to be okay you know don't worry and she said no why were you laughing at the things that he was saying on that bus why were you playing along with that wasn't funny I said Mary I am sorry and there is no good answer for that. If you take a

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Another extreme example, do you guys remember the Michael Vick controversy? For those who don't know American football, player Michael Vick was caught running a dog fighting ring, you know, where they take poor little puppies and make them fight to the death for gambling purposes.

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Why would you do that? I'm pretty sure there's no clause in his football contract that says don't do that, but he was also fired on moral grounds. Imagine consequences for your actions? At the very least, let's assume the absolute best of the situation. Chris was being truthful, saber, and our

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will wasn't there to hear these conversations. This happened before he was hired somehow. I'm glad a whistleblower came forward, but even so, if this is how someone is talking about women, shouldn't you tell their future bosses? Doesn't employee talk about women in this unethical way make the company look bad? I mean, this isn't just a slip of the tongue, this is a purposeful attempt to objectify women due to bitterness and self-esteem issues and should be taken seriously in any workplace, even a virtual one like YouTube.

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And the fact that DA Games and others value Chris's safety and privacy more than holding him accountable makes me worry, because this is harassment.

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And I don't have to take it.

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New developments! I posted part of the email exchange on Twitter again, and that blew up, I guess.

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DA Games release a statement due to public pressure. If not, then they would have released their statement a year ago when this email exchange took place.

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Chris is going away on work training? Um, can I have proof of that, please? Because,

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you've already been pretty untruthful to me. I think you guys are just trying to wait until this all dies down and everyone forgets and then Chris will just magically appear.

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Chris's statement also came out, which is really respectful. I mean an employer. Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic. And then trying to make himself the victim. Chris, if you felt mistreated, this is the first I'm ever hearing about it.

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So politely talk to me directly or shut the fuck up.

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You need to shut the fuck up.

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I know we have this dude broke culture around YouTube entrepreneurs who have never been to business school before and don't know about good company ethics.

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As far as Chris, I would hope he gets an official investigation into his character for both parties.

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And as a lead with the Billy Bush example, possibly terminated.

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I don't know if Chris has personally changed or what his character is now or if there are any other victims out there.

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But do you really want this kind of?

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guy to be representing your company. To work in the media industry as a privilege, why protect

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sexual harassers? Even if it's just a dumb internet job. And I know, this all sucks. Hearing this is

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probably going to suck. Working on this video has sucked. Real bad. I've cried a lot. But it seems

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like that minors are in threat of being preyed on. Will himself has done some suspicious behavior. And

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it seems like nothing's going to change unless it's talked about in a bigger way.

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I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.

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So that's why we're here.

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Part zero, disproving KP rep.

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For some reason, people think I'm unqualified to do this, or have false information about things that have happened in the past they are using to make a judgment on this case.

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And that's concerning.

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So let's go ahead and disprove some KP is bad stuff.

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For example, when this was trending on Reddit, I got comments like this.

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And if that's still not enough for you, listen to this.

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And another aspect that I didn't really take into account until rather recently is that on,

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On top of all the work that the team members are having to do, there's something to be said for all the work that goes into managing those team members.

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I can't imagine it must be an easy job.

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Because you have to make sure that everyone is on the same page with everything all the time.

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Everyone's keeping up to date with progress and is generally handing things in on time.

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All while trying to keep them happy and make them feel like they're in a positive working environment.

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And at that point, I said, look, I'm sorry I couldn't finish it, but I need to get back to my other work.

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And KP, she let me go. She didn't force me to stay. She didn't say, oh, you have to keep working for me.

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She said, okay, you can go. Maybe I'll contact you again later when you're not busy.

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Started a channel to spread her opinions and built a team around her. I've seen her make mistakes, take them to heart and return improved.

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She is a leader, so she must lead in.

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the way she knows, but she is always ready to listen to help, and when she is unsure, seek advice herself.

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In the wake of all of this, I had the privilege of meeting some of Team KP, to which my initial reaction was,

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She still has a staff?

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And it's true, a bunch of real sweethearts, who, in defiance of Twitter, reason, common sense, and

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probable human resource statutes, actually still love, I love Kim Possible a lot. A lot.

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And take my word for it, they were just as nonplussed about all this leaks business as anyone.

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Actually, no, don't take my word for it. Why not go check out their page?

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Get it from the various horse's mouths yourself. Darling people.

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A non-KP leak situation is as follows. I do not regret making it because at the time I truly believed I was doing something for the better good.

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Michael, this is illegal.

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Gardiger.

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Would you really think no one would check?

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Why do you work for iTunes?

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I guess never underestimate the power of too long didn't read.

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Can I get paid now, Rachel?

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For those playing at home, the TLDR is that this is utter nonsense, especially this bit.

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But K.P, what about this?

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She was exposed as a manipulator and a user.

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Uh...

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Somehow, she managed to get an entire team of people to get to work on her.

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projects, only they didn't get any compensation for it.

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God forbid people have hobbies. I guess every reanimated is just an anti-capitalism abomination. Disgust at length here.

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I remember watching the video that she posted on YouTube a couple of years back. It was a long drawn-out video about how she was almost cancelled from the community and how she was a victim of stalking and her struggles with PTSD.

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Which she brings up like every time she gets the opportunity. Like, what?

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Shaming trauma victims probably wasn't your best move, my guy. Just saying.

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She probably thought that because the fandom had died down a bit, nobody would go on the attack.

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She also had like a Twitter meltdown when she had to pay, like for her own way into Brennicon.

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I think. I can't remember which convention. Because I didn't bother facts. I didn't bother facts.

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Checking. Whereas other members of the Bernalysis committee like Silverquil got in for free. Really goes to show how much of a tight-knit group they all are when it comes to preaching about love and tolerance, like peace.

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That's not what happened.

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I was frustrated that BronyCon changed their minds about my guest spot based on false information. And they were informed it was false information from another convention head.

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It's very victim blamie. More details here.

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Which probably explains why people don't see her much after that with other committee members.

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All in all, KB. just strikes me as just another individual who constantly acts like a spoiled child, who acts out when they can't get what they want.

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This guy obviously doesn't know me because it's not really my character.

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These types of individuals believe that everything should be like,

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hand it to them with little or no effort, simply because they are recognized in a group or community.

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I know it sounds like I'm saying like hashtag burn the witch, but my actual point is she's just another

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example of what happens when you let internet, or in this case, horse fame, go to your head.

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Why would we work so hard on dumb little horse videos if they weren't fun?

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Because art and media are definitely only made for attention.

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More details here. Make me your horse god.

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I am your god now. Bring me your virgins.

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This is a confrontation between someone who was supposed to be helping the team, but was actively leaking assets to the team and lying about it.

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And then they were caught. You can guess how this confrontation goes. But ladies and gentlemen, the day Zane minded.

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For more context, Zane, the head of the team at the time, is a pretty soft-spoken guy. So this is the maddest I've ever seen him.

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Can you mind if we take a career, me and...

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Because quite frankly, what the messages were, were a betrayal to the team that you claim to represent.

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I would say less so a betrayal to Rachel.

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Still a betrayal, though.

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But quite frankly, I'm insulted by what you chose to do.

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I, you sat there, you claimed to be representing the team.

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You claimed to be wanting to improve the team.

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And you sat there and you lied to our face.

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Okay?

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Now, I'm fucking lost for words.

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And the fact that I gave you...

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What the fuck made you think that that was okay?

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Like, how did you think you were helping?

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How?

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What the fuck?

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you got to say to yourself?

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And then even now, I gave you the chance to come clean and say, is there anything you want to say?

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And you didn't say anything!

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And you were denying it until I said, I have access, I see everything.

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Initially, you can see that maybe your intentions were good, but there's absolutely no fucking denying the fact that by the end of that,

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not even by the end of it, halfway through at the very least, there was no denying that.

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no denying that. It's my problem. You claimed that you were doing this for us. And yet, you sat there and lied to us. You lied to me. You lied to every single person in that group. We sat there and we said, can we trust everyone in this group? And you sat there and said yes. You betrayed the team. Okay? You betrayed fucking me personally. I'm taking that personally. You sat there and you told them. Zane is about to upload that video. And you're

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what did you hope to achieve? It happened that I was preparing that video and that's when I told you, by the way, we're putting it back up.

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We made that decision weeks ago. We made that decision when we posted it in the radio play chat.

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When people were said, explain that we're not happy. We said, yes, we have a video ready. We'll upload it in a few weeks.

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That's why that video was going up.

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Did you ask me? No.

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Did you think that maybe, maybe a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of, that?

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more something better could come out of this if you fucking talk to us okay nothing good came out of that group nothing group sorry that Twitter nothing you know what good came out of this the Skype group the group of this the Skype group of people that sat down like grown men and fucking wrote down their complaints nothing good from that Skype chat do you want to know what everybody else on the team the only two

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people that have said anything bad to those to the end on Twitter are the two people in that group not on the currency. Do you know what everybody else has said to that Twitter? They fucking said fuck off because you're not helping. You are literally here to be malicious. You're here to tease Rachel. You are here to nag at her. There is no defending it. That Twitter is universally accepted not to have been a good thing.

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the entire team while you were in that group was saying that these guys are dicks.

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Nobody on the team supported them.

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And yet, here you are claiming to represent the team and supporting them.

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And lying to the rest of the team while you do it.

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Part 1, the original incident with Chris.

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Something I also wasn't aware of is that Will made a statement after his team member Boggs, you know, the one who was harassed.

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harassing me was fired. It doesn't mention me or that there is any victim or even what he did was bad. We'll even call him a great person. So starting off on a real high note there.

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He is no longer a member of DA games. He's still a very good friend of ours. Like especially me, like I will sometimes DM him will be on Twitter the big tweeter sometimes, but I'm not one for grudges. I don't do that. So don't think this was out on any of the bad massive haste. Just a lot of bad. Just a lot of bad.

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back-end stuff that kind of conflicted with our channel. There's a lot of things that didn't meet our requirements. The video started getting worse and worse, but it was more or less just, I was pressuring him a lot. There's a lot of things he had to do, and there just wasn't enough taking time as to accept the situation that we were going through.

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Come to mention it, there was a lot of like things that maybe would have detrimented us in a long run if we would have kept this sort of conversation going. And I don't want to bring in logistics because that's not a thing that should. I don't want you hating the dude because he is.

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a fantastic being. He just did a lot of wrong things and we're all learning from the each and every year.

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Yeah, so I don't think there was any mistreatment, or I can't really explain why Chris would be so frustrated enough to do this.

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So I brought my friend James, who was on the team at the same time as Chris, to give some testimony.

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Hi, I'm James. I used to work for KP, and I was the head editor of her first team. I worked for her for her for about two to three years, and I was asked to give a statement on Chris's work ethic on the team.

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Chris, in particular, was an extremely good editor.

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usually doing stuff the rest of the team couldn't do.

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But he was inconsistent with time.

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I'm coming out about Chris because in his recent statement, Chris claimed mistreatment by being in the team.

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But as someone who was there, it just seemed like he had unhealthy and alternative motivations.

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And it was clear that he would often say more than he could deliver.

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Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?

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In particular, though, he often said more unsavory things.

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Either just jokes to be funny or what usually felt more personal.

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This was never a page.

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and gig. So it seemed that he was upset that it wasn't helping his career, money, or even

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romantic situation. It usually felt like he would push himself to be really good and then fell flat,

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like he had ulterior motives and scoffed at other editors for their work to make himself look better,

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really honing in. He was oddly fixated on if KP liked or approved his work.

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Bragging, which again was inconsistent. In my opinion, he also seemed to have a crush on KP. It seemed

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obvious to me, if you know what I mean.

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Sometimes he antagonized another team member to get her attention, and also downplayed it when

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talking with others. It was odd that he would feel unappreciated when he was acting out of his own

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will to help. Though not fully joining the team, he still committed to projects.

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Near when he left, it would be a lot of, she doesn't pay us because she's too greedy,

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specifically saying anti-Jewish semantics, such as fucking Jew will pay us, or another

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she's cheap, or she's the only.

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only one benefiting from this. But the reality is, no one ever got paid. Often in private conversations,

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it would come up, but he wouldn't be shy about bringing it up during group conversations. And this is

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if he attended any meetings at all. We were a little intimidated by his status to bring this up to KP at the time,

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though. Chris ultimately left the team with almost no word. His work ethic dropped dramatically over the

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months we were all there. Overall, his experience was wanted, helpful, but inconsistent.

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Part 1.5, escalation to being unsafe with minors.

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If this video was just about Chris making up a gross story about me a while ago, I can see the argument for,

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why bring this up now. But things end up extending to more actions that are questionable,

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and make it seem like these people can't really be trusted around children.

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We have a testimony of a miner who Chris made uncomfortable by mentioning bestiality to.

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Here's that story. She's chosen to be left anonymous for obvious reasons, but more about that in the interview.

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Back in late 2018, I was in a voice chair with Quarraudel.

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Chris, Will, and one other person who I cannot remember, they were another fan, so it isn't very relevant as to who they were.

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I was 14 at the time. I do not remember how the conversation got to this point, but at one point Chris made a joke about me being into beastiality, specifically using the term beastiality, which I didn't understand at the time.

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I simply responded being confused about the joke and Chris seemed to find that funny.

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My camera was on.

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They were using a third-party tool to have cameras with voice chats at the time, and I had met Will,

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sometime before to voice chat in person. They had to have known I was underage. This by itself is not that awful, simply weird.

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But together with everything else that has happened and what these people have done, I think it's important to share as it shows a pattern of people in and around DA games creating an unsafe environment.

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There is also an incident in WallieCon, or sexual images of cartoon characters that are children, and accidentally exposing that material to minors in Chris's private server.

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Allegedly detest a bot?

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Lollikon is already subjective in nature in the first place, as people can make the argument that these are fictional characters, and not real children.

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But I don't think anyone will argue that maybe we shouldn't be letting children see sexual imagery.

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The big problem with that, besides the incident happening in the first place, is that it was never officially addressed.

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No apology, no nothing.

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But instead, the threads were deleted.

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Sounds kind of suss to me.

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Oh, it gets worse.

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Part two, Will Ryan is a textbook petto and probably very unstable person.

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Sorry, yo.

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If that all isn't a big deal.

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then child grooming is bad, right?

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Well, no shit.

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So enter Player 1 in this case, the YouTube channel, DA Games.

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For those who aren't aware, Dia Games is a YouTube channel that makes a variety of content,

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including Let's Play's, their own animation, and fandom-inspired music.

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The four main current members of the channel are Chris, Will Ryan, Cosmic Keyframe, Chrisie, and Sean Webby.

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Will himself is problematic for a bunch of reasons, not limited to dating a minor in 2015 when he was 20,

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And that's Shady at best.

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Here are the screen caps. These are great.

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I guess you can be Jerry Seinfeld, who dated a 17-year-old when he was 38.

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So, uh, what are you going to do later?

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I got a date with Nikki.

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Oh, yeah, she's a beauty.

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And she's also 17.

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Bold and beautiful.

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I'll tell you the big advantage of dating a high schooler.

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If you're going out with someone your own age,

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You can't take advantage of it.

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I suppose.

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Oh, come on! That's a huge feature! Think about it. She's so young she doesn't realize I'm a predator.

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Jerry.

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Yes?

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I've been doing a lot of thinking.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, I don't think we should see each other anymore.

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Oh, that's okay.

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What?

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No, it's fine. No problem. I'll meet somebody else.

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somebody else. Sure. There are plenty of high schools in New York City. It's fine. Anyway, it's been really nice grooming you for a while. I'm gonna go scope out of Chuckie cheese.

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Yeah, you too. She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes.

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Dating anyone 18 falls into a legally gray area depending on what state or country you're in. But the general little of thumb is anyone 18 should not be dating anyone who's younger than 18. That's the internet law. I looked at it up.

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Part 2.5, it's grooming. But the most problematic of all of this is minors straight up being groomed in their public spaces.

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Who you'll hear from in a second was 15 years old when someone around 19 years old and they started sending them self-harm pictures.

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Censored screenshots are on screen. It's not a fun video. I warned you.

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B.

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was pressured to help this individual and manipulated to break up with their current partner at the time.

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This escalated to nude photos and constant communication.

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Until my sages, say to just a single.

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suicide attempt and blamed...

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Then came back in fake memory loss until...

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B.G.

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And how was it handled in the D.A. Game server?

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He contacted Will about the situation.

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Who sympathized privately but didn't do anything publicly.

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But like, what's accountability for exposing minors to a predator?

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And B. B. B. B. H.

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just left the space on his own.

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He eventually had to make his own Twitter thread with screenshots to prove the account was true.

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I mean, come the fuck on.

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The least you could have done was ban a pedophile.

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The bare minimum. What's that?

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What's that? Let me be clear. This isn't only Will's fault. It's everyone involved in the company, including the people I named before.

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And I know rent is a thing, but sacrificing putting children at risk because you don't want to publicly speak out about this behavior and threaten your livelihood.

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And because you don't want to go to college. It's just shitty and selfish.

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Oh, you are just the worst type of person.

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Next is and his friend Pixil talking about problematic behavior in the D.A. Games community and the situation at large.

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Welcome to the no fun interview section.

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I have two people with me who have previous personal or professional experiences with DA games in the past.

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And they made a document about it a year ago.

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But I brought them on to share their personal stories in audio form, so it's a bit easier to digest, as well as to provide some context to these things and that these are real people, I promise.

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So why don't you guys introduce yourselves?

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I'll go first.

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I'm B-B. I was a fan since 2018 until I became friends with Will.

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one of the DAGames owners. In, I want to say 2020, 2021, I'm not sure. I was commissioned by him in late 2022 to make a concert outfit, but that's really all I got.

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Um, well, that's all I have when it comes to my relation to him. We were friends, but not really.

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So you had a professional relationship with Will?

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Yeah, I was commissioned once, but that's about it.

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Okay, so Pixel, what's your background?

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ground. So I was a fan in 2018 and I was a fan artist in a server. I did a lot of general fan art and he's general art interpretations of his stuff. And I never worked with him like professionally, but I was friends with him during 2023 and we've DM'd pretty often for a couple months. Like, we talked to NBC's and stuff.

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How did that start? Did he notice your fan art and start DMing you or what?

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It was kind of interesting. He was friends with his first. And other than a different, and other than a fan art, he'd start DMing you or what?

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And other than a fan art, he was just.

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D.A. GameServer, there was another friend server that he was in. And at some point, the topic of me came up when he was d-deme a

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and he noticed that I wasn't on his friends list and he was just kind of confused about that. And so it was just kind of, he thought we were friends already. And so it was around early 2023 that I accepted his friend request. And we started DMing from there. I think we officially started a conversation after an incident with his friend, Enu. She was like harassing me for like two hours and I had that conversation at will. I was like,

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your friend is doing this and this is what happened and here's a conversation that we had.

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And after that, we just started having normal conversations.

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So I guess Will does this where he'll just take people from the fan server and try to build a personal connection.

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Yeah. So there's actually this second server that a lot of his friends, including, like, Lala and Enu, that sometimes just some people get invited to, I guess.

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Okay, I guess.

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from what I'm getting at so far is there seems to be a lack of boundaries. Not that it's a bad thing to make friends with fans or anything, but I feel like it's almost competitive if you have, like, a server of people he likes that are on the fan server.

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Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah, so what happened for me was I was friends with Lala before I was invited to that server. So because I had a mutual friend with Will, being Lala, I was invited there. It's officially Lala server.

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but it mostly gets used for Will stuff.

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What exactly is in the server? Is it just like personal jokes or a similar layout to the other server, but just kind of private?

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Um, it's supposed to be a friend group server, but it's supposed to be a friend group server, but it's really centered around Will.

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Yeah, they had this rule where you weren't active enough, you'll get kicked. And if you can go to VCs, you would have to explain yourself like, oh, I can join VC today because of X, Y, and Z.

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and generally, from my experience, a lot of people had to cater to will, like, going back on the server in general.

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They used to let people in pretty generally, but then they just kind of restricted access.

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Like, the only reason I got in there was because she actually invited me in there.

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A few times she actually gave out invites, but it's technically a friend server, but they have, like, not official events, but they do VC a lot.

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Sometimes for, like, days, and they just generally expect you to be active a lot.

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So it seems to me like the whole point of the server is for, for what?

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will to talk to people and get validation. Is that it?

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Yeah, definitely. I remember this one time that me and a friend who was in there were watching,

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I think it was Hellraiser 4. It was one of the worst Hellraiser movies. We were, like, cracking jokes and

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stuff, and like, an hour in, Will joined, and he got upset because we were talking over the movie

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when he didn't even choose to watch it. We did. Were there any minors in the server?

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Yes.

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Yeah, there were.

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I'm not going to say names, but I remember there'd be, like, several, at least.

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So I guess it's kind of questionable that he made a separate server to invite mostly fans of his main server,

393
00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:15,580
which I guess is the worst thing in the world, obviously.

394
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:20,380
But it's things like the boundaries that are weird, the rules as far as VCing that are weird,

395
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,060
and the fact that there are reminders in there.

396
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,520
Were there inappropriate jokes and stuff like that?

397
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,740
Yeah, there used to be an NSW shot even, and like people would just share their kings in there and stuff.

398
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,420
I remember this.

399
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:35,040
they got deleted eventually, but it was weird.

400
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:40,460
Like, the time I was in there, and the chat still existed, I was a minor at the time.

401
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:49,840
I think, I don't remember exactly, I'm sorry, but, yeah, it was really sexual and racist and stuff.

402
00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:51,980
Okay, not off to a good start.

403
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,800
So that seems to be the running theme with D.A. Games in general that they're being inappropriate with minors.

404
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,400
They make inappropriate or not safe for jokes in front of minors, and no one seems to be willing to do anything

405
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:12,860
about it. Yeah, exactly. Like, sometimes they, like, for forever now, I want to say, they refuse to even acknowledge that there are minors in their audience.

406
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:20,160
Yeah, I remember that when the first version of Doc dropped, we were bringing up the point that he was trauma-dumping to minors

407
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,880
and talking about things that younger kids didn't be hearing, and he relies a lot on his fan base for personal support.

408
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,480
There's an entire channel in that, so they were dedicated to just giving him specifically support.

409
00:36:30,480 --> 00:37:00,460
and the entire movement server is dedicated by how he's filming that day and when we mentioned that in our document like hey he's trauma dumping he's talking about all these horrible things without a filter to these people and people were giving the excuse well they're older teens they're like this age when reality the age range was like was a lot broader than like 16 17 they were 14 year olds in there the broader range is like from 13 to early 20s and as ever and it's unfair to assume that just because it appears that

410
00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:03,580
that people are older, that you should trauma dump to these people.

411
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:08,540
They did have NSW channel on that main server, but I wasn't around when it was a thing.

412
00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:10,340
And what year was this about?

413
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:15,100
I'm not entirely sure. I remember being there when that channel got deleted.

414
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:16,700
I think.

415
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:18,140
When did you guys join the server?

416
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:23,260
Um, I joined the server in May 2018, and it was around then.

417
00:37:23,820 --> 00:37:25,180
I joined in December.

418
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:29,260
I don't know how long it was around, like the server has existed since 2016.

419
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:37,760
but it may have been around since the beginning. I'm not sure. But it was around the 2018, that's for sure.

420
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,160
And another thing I wanted to bring up is that the moderators do not go through formal training, from what I could tell.

421
00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:50,080
I was there and he just picked someone and he was like, oh, you should be a moderator now.

422
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,760
You've been a friend for long enough. And like I said, he's hired minor moderators.

423
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,840
The most recent one just turned 18, 18 last year.

424
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,640
They graduated high school last year and they were a moderator the entire time in the server from 2018 to 2023.

425
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480
And I'm 20 now, so they were younger than me that entire time.

426
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,680
And as far as I'm aware, I heard they were recommended to someone.

427
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:20,120
No, they got picked randomly. They got picked randomly. I remember this. Yeah, it was weird. They just got picked for no reason.

428
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,280
And they even told me several times in DMs when they were a moderator, like, you should have been it, not me.

429
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:36,240
Because, I don't know, they, part of them themselves as not being capable enough to be a moderator, but they still were anyway.

430
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:40,920
Yeah, I can get the point of having moderators being subjective, but at the very least, they should not be minors.

431
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:44,960
They should also know its actual work and should be okay with whatever work they get.

432
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,360
Usually mods are like, hey, minor, don't go on the 18 plus chat, or have a question, we'll help you.

433
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:51,440
Exactly.

434
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:56,980
So was the minor activity in both servers the only thing that gave off red flags, or was there any other behavior?

435
00:38:56,980 --> 00:39:26,720
Oh, there's way more. I remember in the DeAgams community, there's a lot of predators, like, groomers and such. And they got exposed like monthly sometimes. Like, every other month, there would be another one. And they would never get acknowledged by the team. And it was just horrible. This is going to get very personal real quick, but at some point I was groomed by someone in there.

436
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,640
and I exposed them like two years ago.

437
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,780
And I posted it in the server.

438
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,820
Like, I made a Twitter thread.

439
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:37,360
And I posted it in there.

440
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:48,000
Well, I asked my, like, my friend to post it it because I didn't want it to do it myself because I was a public figure at the time in the game's community.

441
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:55,280
And it got deleted, like, instantly because it was just drama, tarnishing brand.

442
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,980
So to summarize, it's that abnormal for predators to be attracted to online spaces that maybe make fandom content.

443
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,580
But it's kind of scary when the mod team is bearing it.

444
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:08,940
One of them literally got arrested for having CP in their possession.

445
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,880
Um, yeah, there's this one guy that got arrested for like 34 accounts of child...

446
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,740
Like three years ago, and they never got to acknowledge by the team either.

447
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,580
And he was pretty prominent in the server. He would make animations and...

448
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:24,980
He was really popular.

449
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:28,480
And he was kicked once that came out at the very least, right?

450
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,080
We don't know. We don't know.

451
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
There's a probability he probably was.

452
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,420
But they do have a thing where, like, if you suspect someone being weird, they will investigate and kick them.

453
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,440
It's done very badly.

454
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,060
It's done really badly.

455
00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:47,140
Like, from personal experience, it's so bad.

456
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:53,040
Like, I tried to come forward about my groomer, like, way before I posted about it.

457
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,960
And they were like, hey, you have proof.

458
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,000
And I was like, no, I deleted those chats because I don't want to see that shit.

459
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,980
And they were like, okay, but you can get them back.

460
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,040
And I was like, okay, how could this fucking help me?

461
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:11,020
Because I was panicking. And they were like, figure it out yourself.

462
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,520
So you're going to tell a child in a panic state to just figure it out themselves or else we're not,

463
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,160
or otherwise we're not going to do anything.

464
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,060
It's really weird.

465
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:24,820
I don't know. I'm getting heated.

466
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:25,320
I'm sorry.

467
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,320
No, it's okay.

468
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,840
It's just so fucking dubbed to me that they don't do the barement.

469
00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:31,040
Or just, like, don't have a server that's open to minors.

470
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:35,480
It reminds me of last year when he was doing a set list for Momokon.

471
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:39,920
And he has these killer robots, and he was going to describe in detail how they kill people.

472
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,020
And I was asking, like, well, shouldn't you put a content warning on there?

473
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:46,680
Since most people are, like, coming for the DA game stuff.

474
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,740
And he laughed at me.

475
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:50,080
He was like, no, why should I do that?

476
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:52,280
I have a song called Mr. Dirty Balls playing.

477
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,800
People should know that we're not for kids because that song.

478
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:24,400
is playing and learned the next day he had to add a content morning anyway so i just kind of like throw up my hands like okay you had to add one anyway so why were you throwing a fit about it yeah he gets upset at like the smallest things ever and it's so annoying so it's really hard to like come forward about bigger stuff too were any of the other team members supportive when you came forward because my understanding is that when you go to will for stuff he kind of brushes it off well he either brushes it off or

479
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Or he sends HR.

480
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:35,400
Um, that person that's currently HR, um, usually will just go into your DMs just be like, yo,

481
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,400
don't bring negative stuff to Will. He cannot handle it right now and he never handles it.

482
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,400
So it's frustrating as hell.

483
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
And they just made them HR this year.

484
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,400
Is the HR person public figure?

485
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,400
Not anymore. They did have a Twitter account, but when they have a group site have, is that I have.

486
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,900
an HR person, they live with him.

487
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,080
They're friends with everyone in there.

488
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:03,840
So when it comes to certain situations like yours, technically they should not be handling that because they are not a neutral third party.

489
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,220
Does she have like a social presence?

490
00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:08,100
Like, is she known for being friends with Will?

491
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:09,320
Yes.

492
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:18,440
To some degree, like if, to some degree she's public when like when like when you go into D.A.M.'s live stream, she will be there as a moderator.

493
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,020
Stings such as like that.

494
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,380
It seems like the running theme is Will can't handle whatever the

495
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:30,200
the conflict is because he can't address it. Yeah, pretty much. Okay, so let's talk about some troublesome behavior you saw from Will.

496
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:35,540
I know he dated a minor in 2015 and there was a lot of end slurs and a lot of anti-Semitic slurs.

497
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:40,180
Great stuff. Do you have any antidotes or things to share on top of that?

498
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,100
Just recently, someone did some more digging when they found out on a live stream clip. I was looking at some

499
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:52,880
site called like Young or Young PeoplePoint.com and they did some more digging on a way back machine.

500
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,420
What drove you to make this document?

501
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:56,920
Was it the predator thing?

502
00:43:57,180 --> 00:43:58,960
Like, what was the straw that broke the camel's back?

503
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
And you just were like, fuck it.

504
00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:01,700
We need to write all this stuff down.

505
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:09,180
I think it was just generally, we were frustrated about a lot of things.

506
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:10,160
We talked to each other.

507
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,320
And then we found about the NSW stuff.

508
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:16,840
And we decided, nope, these needs to get out there.

509
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,100
That's pretty much how it might.

510
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,400
We stumbled across it as well.

511
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,000
We were literally just messing around.

512
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:22,860
And that's when we found.

513
00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,360
it and thought, well, this doesn't look right.

514
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,720
And we did some digging and we were like, this isn't right at all.

515
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:34,740
So you went back through Will's history and saw the anti-Semitism and there's one point where

516
00:44:34,740 --> 00:44:37,460
he justifies using the N-word as a white person.

517
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,560
And I thought that was really sad.

518
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:42,740
So what was the response when released his first version of the document?

519
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:46,180
Well, the first version came out like really weird.

520
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:48,920
Like, we tried to get fans to see it.

521
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:52,560
So we made a fan account and then, like, turn it into the release account.

522
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,280
it was stupid.

523
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,820
That went really bad.

524
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,940
And like, you can say more about that.

525
00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:01,580
Like, it affected you mostly.

526
00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:04,020
Yeah, it just went really badly.

527
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:08,780
We were still fans at that point, and we were just, like, really heartbroken.

528
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:11,140
So the dock was very emotionally charged.

529
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,180
And it had, and it just had stuff in it in there that didn't really need to be in there.

530
00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:21,900
And then also, after he came out trending on Twitter, like two mods, one of them was this HR person.

531
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:26,120
came to me and they put me in like a group chat and they told me you have to fix this.

532
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,440
And I'm like, I'm in a college class.

533
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,640
I can't fix this right now.

534
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,700
But I still had to do this anyway.

535
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,080
And after a couple more screenshots came out to HR person was like, is there anything else that's going on?

536
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,380
Because if there is, I'm once up away from flipping switches and ruining lives.

537
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,700
And I was really scared at that point.

538
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:45,880
And rightfully kicked me from the friend group because I was so scared it was going to happen to them.

539
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:49,980
I just ended up throwing the runner to bus because I was so scared and under pressure.

540
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,880
Like, we changed the kids.

541
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,480
password for the Twitter account and everything because we could not have this goes out.

542
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Yeah, and when the second document came out, I reached out again and I was basically confirmed that was what happened.

543
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,640
And I put out my secondary statement on Twitter because the initial apology, well, the quote-unquote apology,

544
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,360
that I made the first time, it went, uh, it went through those two people and it was heavily sanitized.

545
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,720
They wanted me to say he apologized in BC, he did this, he did that, and I was supposedly there.

546
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:27,920
there to witness when he did those things. And as a result, people started disregarding everything is fake.

547
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,720
And so I wanted to make that secondary statement to explain that nothing was fake. And I was pressured into

548
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:40,020
writing something I didn't really believe in. And then later, those two people would come forward in private and apologize to me for during that.

549
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:46,880
So let me get this straight, guys. So two official DA Games ambassadors, mods, whatever you want to call them,

550
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,200
basically try to legally threaten you to formally apologize or else Waggy Finger.

551
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,800
Is that basically what happened?

552
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:59,100
Pretty much. This age for a person, she's worried about being a former Kiwi farmer and, like, digging stuff up about people.

553
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:01,740
So I knew she had a capacity to do those types of things.

554
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:03,440
Those people on those sites do.

555
00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:08,340
And I don't want that to happen to me. I don't want that to have me and the other people who were working there.

556
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,580
Yeah, I was especially scared. I was especially scared because they will commission me.

557
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:16,800
Like, what if they saved the packaging?

558
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,720
I send his outfit in and have my address.

559
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,920
Like, I was scared as fuck.

560
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,280
So I logged you out because I could not have what happens.

561
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Yeah, that's true.

562
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:28,680
So what happened after you released the second doc?

563
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,120
Did anyone come after you or try to have you reprimanded?

564
00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:33,740
There was this, it was really weird.

565
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:35,520
Like, this time, it went okay.

566
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,220
Like, we posted it on, like, the Reddit and stuff.

567
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,040
And it actually got some reaction.

568
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:41,980
It was really cool.

569
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:49,220
But there was also this one person that either was the HR person or someone pretending to be HR person,

570
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:50,900
we still haven't figured it out.

571
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:54,900
Chris Lowe, and the HR person has a habit of stalking me specifically.

572
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:59,040
And they sent them to say they acted like they were going to sue me.

573
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,280
Yeah, I remember that. It was just horrible.

574
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,680
Another thing is the second doc, it just kind of inspired someone when they go through to server logs.

575
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:10,860
And they found that people like Chris were going through and deleting all the racist stuff that they said.

576
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:12,100
And they found videos.

577
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,720
And they were like a whole archive just going back, that they were like just going back and deleting things.

578
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:20,720
So Chris got caught being racist and sexist.

579
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,620
just in general? Yeah, pretty much.

580
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:27,400
So before I move on to the last question, can you guys give some context as much as you can

581
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,840
from the anonymous Chris story that you interviewed the victim for?

582
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,940
So that's actually my best friend who told an anonymous story. So this had to deal with her username,

583
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:43,780
which had the word animal in it and then her name. And so it actually came from that.

584
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:50,700
Like, it was weird. Why didn't they say that? Why didn't they think it was inappropriate to say that?

585
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:55,840
to a 14 year old they knew was 14. What took me off guard is that the 14 year olds had met

586
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,200
will before. Was that at a convention? Yes. It was out of convention. Okay, okay, cool. At least that's perfect.

587
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:09,420
They were also pretty prominent as a person in the community, so it would be weird if they didn't know what she was.

588
00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:16,740
Is she still prominent? No, she got banned. And now she fucking hates their guts. So.

589
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:20,680
So the whole team has a controlling presence with their fan basin on social media.

590
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,900
year, right? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. So my last question is, unless you guys wanted to add anything else as far as any

591
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:34,000
general stories or experiences or anything. So as I mentioned before, I was a fan artist, and at the beginning of Iris, I would make

592
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,900
interpretations of characters. And Will would go on the chat and say, these interpretations give me anxiety,

593
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:45,300
because now I'm scared and not going to be able to live up to these expectations. Let me backtrack. What is Iris?

594
00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:49,740
Is that a song they've done? I'm not familiar with their content, really. It's one of his IPs.

595
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,660
Yeah, it's an original.

596
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:59,640
is one. Yeah, it's a dystopia thing. There's a lot of characters, but not a lot of designs. So what a lot of people

597
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:05,060
like myself did was like, let's make a design on this character based on this very vague description

598
00:50:05,060 --> 00:50:10,480
that he had. And people would also make covers of songs too, and he'd get high amounts of anxiety over it.

599
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,260
And in some cases, he'd call it defacing. I got caught out for the way I drew when I'm just killer robots

600
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,500
because he was like, well, now you made my design look like horseshit, even though I had...

601
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,660
I heard no one else complaining about his design or anything like that.

602
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:28,420
And then on top of that, a bunch of other artists started apologizing, like, yeah, we're so sorry.

603
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:29,240
We didn't know.

604
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:29,780
I was drawing.

605
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,940
This stuff upset you so much.

606
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:34,060
And he never said anything until now.

607
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:44,580
And he made it a rule in the server for a while that you can post interpretations, or you can post covers with more than one instrument or more than one vocal track.

608
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,620
And he just now changed that rule.

609
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:50,480
I heard from some of that's still in there that he just changed the rule back to what.

610
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,480
where it was before so you can do that again.

611
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920
I can't get over that because that's the stupidest fucking thing.

612
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,980
He should be happy that people are making fan art because they enjoy the thing.

613
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,800
It's like he's punishing his fans.

614
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,820
Yeah, even on Twitter, someone was asking about it.

615
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,540
He's like, well, I'll go forward and making more character designs when I'm sure that they won't be tampered with.

616
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:12,200
And just a lot of extreme words were stuff that wasn't extreme.

617
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:17,100
Being a young artist at the time, I was 16, and that was devastating to me.

618
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,460
And when I was telling him, you know, it was really hurt when he said that he was like,

619
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:26,220
well, don't have a cow, it's not that bad, without really acknowledging how I felt or how any of these other people felt about that.

620
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:31,960
That's what probably he generally has, like, when someone comes forward to him about how he hurt their feelings.

621
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:38,620
It's like, yeah, but it's not that bad. Like, bro, you hurt someone. It's not cool, man.

622
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,700
Oh, it's so dumb. It's so dumb. I mean, the predator shit and the child porn is probably the worst of it.

623
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Okay, to recap, so I was going to say it sounds like it's pretty bad between the allowing predators to be in their spaces and not really do.

624
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:56,040
doing anything about it or threatening people who make fan art or Will dating a minor and Will looking up child.

625
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,040
I remember seeing that because I thought that was the worst thing Will specifically had done.

626
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,840
And then Chris just had the behavior of being sexist and racist too and grows with minors.

627
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,040
So what would you guys like to gain from coming forward on a bigger platform and speaking about your stories?

628
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:20,280
So my original goal would be like, acknowledgement of this stuff happening, but like, I don't think that's going to happen, like, ever being realistic.

629
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,280
I don't know exactly what I want anymore.

630
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,820
Like, I just want this stuff out there, I guess.

631
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:29,740
That's all I can do.

632
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:35,580
What I personally think is Will needs to take a break from the internet, because this sounds really unhealthy from a third-party perspective.

633
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:42,780
I'm just going to sound, this is going to sound really mean, but I don't think he's capable of taking a break on the internet.

634
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:48,280
I mean, he went on a camping trip with his family, and he was on his phone and was in voice calls the entire time.

635
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,260
So even then when he was supposed to be out and made him, he was supposed to be out and made him.

636
00:52:50,260 --> 00:53:10,260
he wasn't taking a break. There was multiple times he said he leave Twitter and then he never did. I believe someone caught him lurking because he was pretending to be off of Twitter. But then like he retweet something and then quickly unretreated it. He's on Instagram mostly now. And even now he's pretending to like be off my own Discord.

637
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:18,260
Something I've noticed too is that people who enable him are dependent on him, like the HR person who's a roommate of his and is dependent on the channel's income in order to live.

638
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:19,260
Yeah, exactly.

639
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:25,260
like the HR person lives with him and doesn't have a job outside of HR for the games.

640
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:31,260
I think we don't know because they're not a public figure. We don't have any connection to them anywhere.

641
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:38,260
But I think the only thing they do in their life is sit in Will's house and send out angry emails to us.

642
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:44,260
This is what the kids call an allegation, something we don't know if it's true, but it's based on a theory and evidence.

643
00:53:44,260 --> 00:53:49,240
Yeah, she used to have a job, like as a child care worker, but she's she's just to have a job, like, as a childcare worker, but she's

644
00:53:49,240 --> 00:54:02,240
stopped. And then she did like art commission. Yeah, and then she did like art commissions for a while, but then she like fucked up her wrist. So I don't know what she can do if she has a job.

645
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:19,220
Sounds like a healthy work environment. So the only time they acknowledge anything wrong is when I retweeted one of the emails a couple of weeks before this recording and they were like, Chris is taking a break. Chris is taking hiatus, which I think means we're going to wait until this blows over because we're not going to show you any proof that.

646
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:20,820
that Chris went to any HR training.

647
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:25,020
I'm not going to go out on the limb. It's an alleged that he did not go through any training.

648
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:29,780
Like I said, the HR person only made HR was only made HR this year.

649
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:36,420
DA is only four people. Even emailing and doing the NDA was against the ACAS guidelines.

650
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,080
So I don't know what training he would have done if there was any.

651
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:47,520
I think we had a timeline down. Like a day or so after each week came out, he left Twitter the day after.

652
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,200
He was streaming the night after.

653
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,480
in a day or two afterwards, he was saying I got trained.

654
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,780
Like, at what point during that timeline would he be getting trained?

655
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,340
Yeah, and keep in mind for those who don't remember, I had the original conversation with HR a year ago.

656
00:55:02,140 --> 00:55:06,280
And I was feeling antsy because I wanted to make a video for a while, and we were waiting for the right time,

657
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,640
and then this blew up, and I'm like, this would have been great a year ago.

658
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,780
But ideally, it doesn't sound like the team is even safe to make content because of their influence around others.

659
00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:19,180
Like Will himself dated a 17-year-old when how old was Will?

660
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:21,120
22 to the 23.

661
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,860
Ugh, great.

662
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,860
So when you date a 17-year-old, regardless of what it happened, you should know better.

663
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:30,760
Like Chris telling the story, regardless of what it happened, he should know better.

664
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:32,400
So I guess we'll hope for the best.

665
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:36,980
I think at the very least, if there's going to be any changes, they have to show proof in a plan,

666
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,220
or else no one's going to believe them at this point, I think.

667
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,660
A public apology is probably a good start.

668
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,200
Yeah, that's like a big thing.

669
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,160
Like, you would think that nobody will...

670
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,960
leave what the A are saying, but they do.

671
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:54,200
And it's weird.

672
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,360
Like, even when you show them through, they're like, no, it's fake.

673
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:57,760
It's fake.

674
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,560
You're just haters.

675
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:05,960
Like, their fan base is very, yeah, their fan base is like very, um...

676
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,960
They just really want to believe that they're good people when they're not, because...

677
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,160
Ward knows why, actually.

678
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,960
It's because he built up a parasycial relationship with them.

679
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,960
True. True.

680
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:26,880
Even with the lulli thing when we told people about that, they were so like, well, actually he was using it to test a bot, and I'm like, well, why is it still there?

681
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:30,000
And it wasn't even in the same server.

682
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:32,880
Again, the fans have a very poor social relationship.

683
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:38,640
You have this mature 20-something-year-old telling his, telling you all his deepest secrets and stuff,

684
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:42,020
and all his childhood traumas, and you feel closer to him.

685
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,280
And on top of that, you have this whole Discord channel dedicated to just giving him support.

686
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,940
You're encouraged to look at his Discourse.

687
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:59,460
saddest and see which day he's in. When I was younger, he'd even pull, he'd even go as far as to, like, delete his Twitter account and, like, threatening to delete the YouTube account because he was feeling bad.

688
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:06,000
And when you're put through that over and over again, you want to feel close. You want to feel like this person can't be bad. I did all this for him.

689
00:57:06,540 --> 00:57:07,940
I went through all this for him.

690
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:15,720
And I'm just sorry. I'm getting really a bit heated here because, again, I went through all of that and it's such an emotional, training thing to go through.

691
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:17,920
It's like, no, you shouldn't be doing this at 13 and 18.

692
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:24,920
18 year olds. You shouldn't be telling them all these things. Like, I'm literally my YouTube channel where, you know, when I was bullied, I got my head bashed in.

693
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:35,920
Yeah, exactly. Like, the worst example I remember is, I think, that he was going to, he said in his discourse or that he was going to kill himself because his fans were so fucking annoying.

694
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,920
I don't have proof of this, sadly, I remember seeing it.

695
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,920
Yeah, hosted a suicide note on Twitter.

696
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,920
Right, several times soon.

697
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,900
And then Chloe had to come out saying, no guys, he's fine. And then he just like, he never, he never,

698
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:55,400
never deleted it afterwards. And he didn't kill himself, he's okay. He posted several times, like, while he was in a hospital as well.

699
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:03,900
Yeah, I remember this happening when I just was a fan, like, when I, like, like, 2018 and 2019, this was happening a lot.

700
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:16,400
And, like, I felt super close to him when I literally just knew him for, like, four months. It was weird. Like, I felt this super close connection to him, and now I understand why. And it's so fucking awful.

701
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,360
On that note, do you guys have any advice for people that are kind of in similar shoes that you were when you were finding all this stuff out?

702
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:27,940
Talk to people. Talk to people. Like, you're not alone going through this.

703
00:58:28,060 --> 00:58:32,520
Like, please talk to people. Even people that are still fans, like, talk to them.

704
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,860
And it's okay if you don't feel okay going through this because it's fucking hard.

705
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:46,380
Having to sever a connection that feels so close and personal, who is someone who turns out to be a terrible person.

706
00:58:46,380 --> 00:58:56,380
Like, it's okay, it's too bad. It's okay to feel sad for the things you lose. Um, it's okay. Like, you're gonna be fine. Talk to people.

707
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:59,380
Yeah, I agree at wholeheartedly, like, just talk to people.

708
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:14,380
One of the drive of factors that led me to become friends of fucking again is that I talked to someone about everything that happened, and I suggest to just to talk to people who are outside of a server, go to different servers, and just know that this is nothing, this is not how things are supposed to be.

709
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:16,360
Like, I talked to a friend friend.

710
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,560
had nothing to do with DA or anything and they were like, that's not normal.

711
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:23,200
That's not something that should be happening on a regular basis.

712
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:25,540
Yeah, I think that's a good note to end on.

713
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Therapy's good guys.

714
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:29,780
All right, well, I guess on that note, we can end.

715
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,060
Thanks everyone for being here and telling your stories.

716
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:33,460
It sounds like a hot mess.

717
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:34,600
It is.

718
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:36,520
Like, it's so messy right now.

719
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,660
Like, on the DAGams subreddit currently, they're like censoring worse.

720
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:42,820
You cannot say the number 11 anymore.

721
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:44,720
Shit like that.

722
00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:45,320
It's stupid.

723
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:53,320
And if you try to post anything without context, I was trying to post context of what was going on earlier, and they just deleted it immediately.

724
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,320
Yeah, they nuke it instantly. Like, I go bans from the Reddit.

725
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,320
As someone who took a media literacy course, this is not how you deal with backlash.

726
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:10,320
You apologize. But it's kind of hard to recover when you have miners and predators in the same space, and you haven't really done anything about it.

727
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,320
These are really serious issues that aren't like an oopsie. So...

728
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,860
No, they're dealing with it so badly. Like, it's embarrassing for them.

729
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:24,100
I know. I heard through a mutual friend that they originally weren't going to say anything,

730
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,760
because they didn't see a reason for it. They were like, oh, there's no reason for it. It's going to go away.

731
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,740
All right. Thanks everyone for listening.

732
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Yes, thank you.

733
01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:38,100
So there's three players in this Shakespearean tragedy. Chris, a former member of my production team who made up this gross story about me.

734
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:44,300
His first boss, DA Games, a YouTube channel run by Wool Ryan, and his second boss, another YouTube,

735
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:51,400
named Saberspark. Misk. Will's Nazi racist and anti-Semitic memes. There's also, um,

736
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:57,340
races and anti-Semitic memes. It never ends here. Part 3. How DA Games handled the Chris

737
01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:02,840
situation? Badly. Back to the Chris situation, the D.A. Games team first responded to the situation

738
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,700
privately in November of 2023, citing the issue had been resolved to their own satisfaction,

739
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:12,360
and that Chris didn't work for them at that time, even though there's proof that suggests otherwise.

740
01:01:12,740 --> 01:01:14,280
And that Will Ryan was likely in the room.

741
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,040
room to hear the story recounted at least once. They continue to lie about my legal rights, and

742
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:24,040
basically put pressure on me to stay quiet about everything. We'll show you those emails in a second.

743
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,120
At a last-ditch attempt, DA Games attempted to send me a cease and desist. So we're going to go through some

744
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:34,520
highlights of the emails here, but feel free to pause the video and read them for any context that you'd like.

745
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,520
Hi, Matilda, I was told to contact you regarding the aficionado's Chris case.

746
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:44,220
Many months later. Hi, Matilda and the DA Games team. It's been three months since I last

747
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:49,700
reach out and I'm disappointed in the lack of urgency. I'm reaching out one last time, discuss the issue

748
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:55,720
and sell it privately. Hi, K.P. Thanks for your patience. Chris informed us that the recording between

749
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,560
you and him was not consensual. Nonetheless, we listened to the recording ourselves and have determined

750
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,680
that the two of you had already reached a resolution. You will allow the actions of the past to be

751
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,460
forgotten and forgiven. It is also our understanding that all of this took place before Chris was an

752
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:19,100
employee of DA, meaning that he was not under contract at the time of the incident. Therefore, as a company,

753
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:24,340
we do not have the jurisdiction to punish him in this situation as he has not breached contract.

754
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,160
I'm disappointed with the lack of action taken regarding these issues and your lack of alarm in terms of how it reflects

755
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,660
upon your company's priorities, values, and internal culture. Also, regarding the recording in Chris's

756
01:02:35,660 --> 01:02:41,840
statement, fact is, whether or not Chris engaged in the activity, he openly spoke about doing it allegedly

757
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:49,300
and calls involving his coworkers, post having his position within the company and after, as late as 2019.

758
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:55,400
This is highly inappropriate, morally unacceptable language to use when conducting oneself around coworkers,

759
01:02:55,940 --> 01:03:01,740
much less when its attempt to convey approval from peers and a superior by presenting himself as a sexual harasser.

760
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,560
If he was bragging about sexual misconduct involving a minor, would that change your response?

761
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,820
Because if the answer is yes, you should be taking this seriously because sexual harassment is sexual.

762
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:18,100
harassment. By continuing to employ Chris, you not only condone his behavior, but actively encourage it within your

763
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:23,320
workplace-related settings. At this point, it's a matter of safety for myself and members of our communities,

764
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,160
and me attempting to handle this issue privately is a courtesy, one that seemingly is not being honored,

765
01:03:29,340 --> 01:03:35,460
in fact, dismissed. If no satisfactory results is brought about, I have no problems going public.

766
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:41,800
We will review this case again and decide on appropriate disciplinary action. This will be handled in

767
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,880
and confidentially, of course. We would like to state that we do not represent Chris in any legal capacity.

768
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:55,860
DA Games as a company does not tolerate threats of defamation or libel. If you go public, we have the right to pursue legal action.

769
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:03,280
We will share the results of the investigation with KP, but only on the condition that she signs a confidentiality agreement.

770
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:11,580
Part four. How Saberspark handled the Chris situation. Badly. Next is YouTuber Saberspark, who primarily makes animated theme,

771
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:16,100
content and generally seems not to care about the situation unless he's listed as an employer of Chris.

772
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:22,060
I originally contacted Sabre through his staff. And here are the Discord messages to prove that. I hate it here.

773
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:26,660
There were talks of a hiring change and I assumed Chris was terminated from working with Stephen due to that.

774
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:34,560
Cool. Cool. One last thing to worry about. Then it got worse. Turns out nothing happened. Cool.

775
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:41,460
Oh, there's a big surprise. I tried following up, but never heard anything. Cut to November of this year, where Stephen is mentioned,

776
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:44,560
in that email asking for an NDA to look into the Chris issue.

777
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:49,120
This eventually escalated into a public spectacle when I shared the NDA email on Twitter.

778
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:52,980
One of the people in their thread tagged Stephen directly, and then...

779
01:04:52,980 --> 01:04:57,800
Thanks for the support, guys. It's emotionally draining, but I feel like being critical of online spaces,

780
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,080
especially when you try to solve things privately first, is important.

781
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,040
Were you able to contact Sabre or anyone that currently works from him about Chris?

782
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:10,540
I contacted Sabre through some friends in common. Never heard about an official firing, though.

783
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:21,140
I was never contacted by any friend of yours, nor did you ever make any attempt to reach out to me on your own behalf via Twitter, email, or anywhere else.

784
01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:28,820
You are omitting so much information right now, but I'll provide some here in a sec under your original post.

785
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:33,340
Dude, we can talk privately. I have screenshots that I contacted both...

786
01:05:33,340 --> 01:05:39,180
Are you going to record the call without telling me the same way you did a Chris, too?

787
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:42,860
Talk to me privately. I'm not doing this back and forth on Twitter.

788
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:48,240
Then don't app me with your half-truths and omitted information in order to gain sympathy and slander my name.

789
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:55,740
I'm 100% to debunk every accusation in your video. I have no idea how you can claim due diligence when you never reached out to me.

790
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:01,320
Don't fucking talk to me like that. Don't call me a fucking liar when I have the screenshots to back me up.

791
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,700
And if you're aware of the call, then the information got back to you regardless.

792
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:09,120
If there was some decision made, I never heard about it. I'm ending this conversation.

793
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,720
So a couple of things to unpack here besides me not purposely tagging Stephen.

794
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:14,980
It was a third party.

795
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,060
Regardless, Stephen proceeded to call me a liar publicly.

796
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:19,380
You calling me a liar?

797
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,800
I ain't calling you a truther.

798
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:25,340
Proceeded to tease me about doing an unsolicitor recording and to slander him.

799
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:26,360
Slander is spoken.

800
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:27,840
And print, it's libel.

801
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,460
Some red flags to this response.

802
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,860
One, Stephen could have calmly asked who I talked to instead of assuming the worst.

803
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:38,940
Two, his anger was directed at me and not an employer, Chris himself.

804
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:48,320
Three, Stephen is claiming that I never contacted him directly, implying that he had no information about this, but it admits to knowing the confrontation with Chris was recorded.

805
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:49,120
Hmm.

806
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:51,040
Sound like some bullshit to me.

807
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:56,780
By the way, I wasn't going to make fun of Stephen so much, but I gave him so many chances to communicate with me, and he just didn't do anything.

808
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,880
So clearly, he doesn't care what I have to say.

809
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,260
It's only an issue when there's potential backlash.

810
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:06,320
I've come to make an announcement.

811
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,920
Shadow the Hedgehog is a big big...

812
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:09,920
Bitch-ass motherfucker!

813
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,680
He pissed on my fucking wife!

814
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,680
That's right.

815
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:20,560
He said his dick was this big, and I said that's disgusting.

816
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,480
So I'm making a colload post on my Twitter.com!

817
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,080
Shadow the Hedgehog!

818
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,960
You got a small fucking dick!

819
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,080
It's the size of this walnut, but way fucking smaller.

820
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,480
And guess what?

821
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,680
Here's what my dong looks like!

822
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,680
That's right.

823
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,440
Right, baby, all points.

824
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,180
No quills, no pillows.

825
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:45,920
Look at that!

826
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,920
It looks like two balls and a bong!

827
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,920
He fucked my wife, guess what?

828
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,920
I'm gonna fuck the earth!

829
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,440
That's right, that's what you get!

830
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,440
My super laser piss!

831
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,920
Except I'm not gonna piss on the earth!

832
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,920
I'm going higher!

833
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,440
I'm gonna piss on the moon!

834
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,440
How do you like that?

835
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:15,200
Oh, bomber! You have 23 hours before the piss droplets fall on the earth!

836
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:20,680
Now get out of my fucking sight before I piss on you too!

837
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:32,120
So what I think happened is that Stephen was informed by PIM, didn't know it came for me, discussed it, blew it off or decided it was nothing, and forgot about it until he started facing some public backlash, and proceeded to blame me.

838
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,720
Because he was so concerned with direct communication, I ended up sending him this email detailing who I talked to.

839
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,920
why this is important, and why this isn't a single incident.

840
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,000
Good afternoon, Steven. This email is your requested private communication regarding

841
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,400
Chris and the overall sexual harassment situation that he has caused. Our full incident report

842
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,400
can be found here if needed. Since she publicly displayed confusion at best about my

843
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,920
attempting communication with you prior to this point, below our screenshots of my

844
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,760
conversations with K. K. K. K.k. A. K.K. the friends slash employees I pass

845
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Chris's information to. The conversation with K. K. Specifically mentions

846
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,760
of possible staffing change based on Chris's actions, and I honestly cannot fathom a situation

847
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,440
where there would be that drastic with employee change or discussion without your knowledge.

848
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:16,440
Screenshots can be found here, here, and here. I do not appreciate you calling me a liar

849
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:22,120
publicly, and I would like some form of public apology. He didn't give me one. Additionally, your public

850
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,280
statements states that you knew the confrontation between me and Chris was recorded as a matter

851
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,800
of community safety. Combined with your email interactions with the A-games,

852
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,720
leave me to believe that, unless there was some major miscommunication, you were aware of the situation,

853
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,880
situation you have chosen in action. You still have the choice to either hold Chris accountable,

854
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,880
i.e. firing him with proof, or keep him on staff. Should you choose the former, please

855
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,280
communicate this to me as soon as possible to avoid any miscommunication in any public statement

856
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,920
slash information present after. If you believe this is a one-time incident, this document linked

857
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,080
below has logged some of Chris's other inappropriate behavior, including but not limited to,

858
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,720
making the bestiality jokes to someone he knew as a minor, and the use of the N-word and Nazi imagery

859
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,560
with himself and will of DA games. You can find more information on page 4.

860
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,640
4 and 29 of this document. I have been clearance to show unedited screenshots of the

861
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,360
beast-eality incident if requested. I hope that we can clearly communicate about this going forward. I have

862
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,840
no desire to get into an internet squabble with you, so let's please work this out like adults.

863
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:23,160
And do you know what happened? No response to the email, but suddenly the Twitter exchange got deleted?

864
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:29,240
Where did it go? Nowhere to be found. No apology, no clarification. Just to leave the evidence

865
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,400
that he knew about the situation and covers tracks and enable the weird dude because, God forbids,

866
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,600
Steven have to find a new editor or even do the public apology that I asked him to when he falsely threw me

867
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,560
under the bus. I believe Stephen realized I wasn't lying and instead of talking to me directly or

868
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,760
apologizing to me, he just deleted the thread. So if Steven wasn't hiding anything or wasn't

869
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:54,040
suss, why didn't he just asked me about the Chris stuff? He just assumed automatically that I was lying

870
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,200
and started yelling, very defensive, very suss. What exactly was the move here,

871
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,240
Steven? Do you think just deleting the thread, putting your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la would make this

872
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:09,080
I'll go away. More of the story is to fire creepy people on your staff even if it's inconvenient to you.

873
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,240
Steven, it is clear to me that you do not wish to correspond with any direct communication,

874
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:17,880
despite you personally requesting so. To say I'm disappointed with your behavior would be a severe

875
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:23,400
understatement. You called me a liar publicly without even asking for the truth or further clarification.

876
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,320
To me, it seems like the only reason why you wanted to get involved is that your name was attached,

877
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:33,080
and you're more interested in damage control for your brand than your brand's actual integrity. I feel like we wouldn't even be

878
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,080
having this conversation if I'm always not another YouTuber in your space. I hope that you can be

879
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,560
professional about this going forward even though frankly you haven't been through this entire nightmare

880
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:48,120
ordeal but clearly that is not possible. Hey Rachel, to start things off, I replied to you on

881
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:53,960
Twitter the way I did out of frustration due to the misinformation you have about me and how you are

882
01:11:53,960 --> 01:12:00,040
talking about me without ever contacting me directly prior. I'd imagine you feel the same frustration

883
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,920
if someone had incorrect info about you.

884
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:09,920
And probably you do with how some people went after you in the past and with false information.

885
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:18,920
I truly don't want to engage an internet drama that operates off of gossip, but the amount of misinformation you have is staggering, so I will set the record straight.

886
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:27,920
As far as you and me, I'm dumbfounded. We hound out and that was it. I'm not sure what you saw in hanging out with me, but we just went our separate ways.

887
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,920
All in all, I feel blindsided by your emails, Rachel.

888
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,920
How can you say that you?

889
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:40,600
you come to me as an impartial individual. As far as Chris goes, I heard through second-hand sources of his stupid joke,

890
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:47,160
that Chris made amends with you and that was the end of it. Only for me to get accusatory emails,

891
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,920
months later, you never reached out to me officially, so how could I acknowledge anything besides but...

892
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:58,840
Finally, I do have a lawyer and I will gladly bring him into our conversation to clear the air if needed.

893
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,440
Now that it has come to this degree of misinformation,

894
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:12,640
This information on your end, I will do everything within my power to clear the record for the truth, and that includes exploring legal avenues if necessary.

895
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:17,900
I hope this information helps and convinces you to reconsider your position.

896
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,640
Your regards, Stephen.

897
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,300
Steven, you've already passed a lot of time I've given you to deal with the situation privately.

898
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:34,060
I was outlined in my first email, which I feel is ridiculous, considering you had access to this information for more than a year, regardless of where it came from.

899
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:40,560
If you're now going to sit there and threaten me with legality after this many private attempts at communication,

900
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:46,360
I will not be entering any further discussion with you after this last correspondence and cutting contact with you at this point.

901
01:13:47,180 --> 01:13:51,820
The reality is I'm incredibly uncomfortable with your general approach in which your previous email and how your public

902
01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:54,880
public correspondence has been addressed, as well as you in general.

903
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,800
So I'll keep this as brief as possible.

904
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:02,280
To add to this, this whole, I will fight you for the truth, tone, your whole last email and the Twitter

905
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,760
thread is drenched with, undermines the actual issues of the conversation.

906
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,400
On top of assuming I'm going to publish falsifiable information.

907
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,400
Is that how you talk to someone who's treated poorly by a current employee in the past?

908
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:18,140
Based on all of your previous conversations, forgive me if you're not on the top of my list

909
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:20,040
of people who treat me with assumed respect.

910
01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:21,800
In regards to your response,

911
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:27,960
on my Twitter posting, your heated response calling me a liar and questioning my character publicly is unacceptable.

912
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,080
How you're particularly feeling at the time doesn't justify calling people names and treating them poorly.

913
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:39,780
As well, you could have DM me as requested several times or asked for further information before responding in such a tone.

914
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,360
When all I asked regarding this exchange is for you to apologize publicly for something you did publicly,

915
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:51,040
you instead doubled down in the last message and tried to justify your feelings, and only privately at that.

916
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,720
This doesn't strike me as someone is dealing with the situation with the utmost maturity,

917
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,840
but a desperate attempt to distract from the actual issues and make yourself the victim.

918
01:15:00,260 --> 01:15:06,560
The fact that you're going about this route again, even after I proved I wasn't lying the first time, is fucking deranged.

919
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,180
Regarding your access to the information about the incident regarding Chris,

920
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:17,480
and your insistence that I was the one who directly discussed the information about Chris instead of your general access to said information seems to be misguided.

921
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,020
Do I have to tell you directly what to do with an employee incident of

922
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:24,900
this scale for anything to happen? I shared the confirmation I had from both

923
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:30,260
that you had said information, which came off as indifference based on what I felt, as well as your

924
01:15:30,260 --> 01:15:35,460
correspondence with DA games looting to such, as well as there being a public safety report available

925
01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:40,100
with public contact information present for over a year regarding the situation.

926
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,600
So I don't understand how it's particularly relevant how you learned your employee sexually harassed someone

927
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,120
in the past. It just matters that it happened. Even assuming you didn't know about Chris's

928
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,000
action up to the Twitter exchange, I still email you.

929
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,800
you directly discussed before it reached this point, and you seemed to ignore that email and only responded

930
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:01,120
to a second after my frustration became clearer. To be frank, it doesn't matter how the perpetrator feels

931
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,600
how the resolution went, but the fact that it happened in the first place is unacceptable. Chris is

932
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:10,280
very obviously going to tell you whatever you need to hear to keep his job. It's all right, guys,

933
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:15,560
the criminal said the crime actually wasn't so bad after all. Hell, it doesn't even matter how I feel

934
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:20,980
about it. Still, if you were so concerned with my personal opinion on matter, to the point whether it would directly dictate

935
01:16:20,980 --> 01:16:26,580
your decision to keep Chris on staff or not, I do not, for the life of me, understand why you didn't reach out to me,

936
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:33,220
directly or indirectly through our friends. Great job updating me on the current status of Chris's employment, even now, by the way.

937
01:16:33,620 --> 01:16:40,940
Good job. 10 out of 10. Regardless, this isn't a joke, and your insistence as such is the underlying problem of this whole situation.

938
01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:47,260
How is it a fucking joke to say you ejaculated on your boss's clothing and say that to other men multiple times?

939
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:50,960
It cannot and should not be belittled as just drama. Why would I,

940
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:57,120
I have gone through the trouble of corresponding with DA Games or having a safety report be written if I just thought it was just a joke.

941
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,680
I was and am worried about the children Chris and the greater DA games community still have access to.

942
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:12,800
even if I had forgiven Chris for some reason, it wouldn't be relevant. Even still, you seem to show anger that I got at Chris's confession on record in comparison, you know, what he actually confessed to with your comments stating,

943
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,320
Are you gonna record the call without telling me the same way you did Chris?

944
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,800
To be clear, he is not the victim. Full stop.

945
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,180
Neither are you for that matter, Mr. Truth Seeker.

946
01:17:23,980 --> 01:17:31,340
Publicly throwing the actual recipient under the bus and signing with the sexual harasser just because he did not know he was going to be on record as a stage of concern,

947
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:36,400
on top of being incorrect about your information is one of the most idiotic parts of this whole ordeal.

948
01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:40,420
I felt it was very obvious that the intention was a recording for the public record,

949
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:49,880
and a possible angle interpretation of him being blindsided by a bad joke turned public because I want to be a bitch and cause problems is just insulting and respectful on so many levels.

950
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,940
Or how you put it, publicly discussing half-truths to gain sympathy and slander your name.

951
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,760
Spoiler, this isn't about you.

952
01:17:57,340 --> 01:18:03,320
Additionally, the fact that I went out of my way to privately talk to you directly after several attempts to seek resolution with the staff

953
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:10,000
and wanted to ask on the Twitter thread and still did not receive a response until sending a second email outlining my frustration is just ridiculous.

954
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,340
I then even provided additional proof of racism and Nazi imagery that Chris and Will displayed.

955
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:20,020
There are even incidents of lollicons slash child pornography and sharing that,

956
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:28,020
material with minors, allegedly accidentally on the document they linked, as well as Will dating a minor in 2015.

957
01:18:28,020 --> 01:18:32,020
If we only knew what Sabres Spark thought about Lollicon. Oh wait.

958
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:40,020
As his following grew, Cal became very publicly outspoken with his dislike of Lollicone and similar taboo art styles.

959
01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:44,020
For those who are not familiar with them, let's just say it's a...

960
01:18:44,020 --> 01:18:50,000
This additional document has been publicly available for over two years. The digital document has been publicly available for over two years. The

961
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:57,000
The D-A-Games community server has had pedophiles that were quietly kicked out if////////-discovered instead of publicly acknowledged.

962
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,000
One has a motherfucking bugshot on the document.

963
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Since this all seems to have gotten ignored until now, on top of the stage report of the incident being publicly available for over a year,

964
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,000
solidifies to me my original assumption that you do only care when you have consequences for your lack of action.

965
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,000
God forbid someone is a creep of my staff.

966
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000
Just don't tell the public he works for me!

967
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,980
Does it not seem like common sense to fire someone?

968
01:19:19,980 --> 01:19:24,620
who talks this way about others, especially women, regardless of when it happened?

969
01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:29,820
In the interest of openness, though, I am open to do an on-the-record three-way conversation between you,

970
01:19:29,820 --> 01:19:35,820
and myself, to get to the truth of the matter at a later time, but that will be at your discretion as his boss

971
01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:40,780
and at his comfort level. As I want to honor D. B.S. request to not be involved anymore and not emotionally

972
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:45,980
distress him. But bluntly, I will not tolerate the consistent implications of untruthfulness until this happens.

973
01:19:45,980 --> 01:19:49,900
B. B. B. B. B. B. B. I can reach out in the future if he is interested in comfortable about a possible

974
01:19:49,900 --> 01:20:19,880
conversation. Lastly, as I don't want to get too personal, but is absolutely laughable that you consider your romantic interest in me in our friendship ending as mutually parting ways. Like, what fucking planet are you on? Is that how you summarize every one of your failed courtships? Let me refresh you on the experience. After months of spending time together in person and your insistence that we were just friends, your goal seemingly wasn't said to spend time with me and see if I would change my mind and be open to a romantic

975
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:25,320
relationship. At that time, I felt like I finally had found a like-minded contact creator and friend close and

976
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:31,840
distance to me. I think I even said something along the lines of, these feel like dates. I'm just making sure we're hanging out as friends, right?

977
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:37,620
After you grew distance, I felt manipulated and pressured to say I was open to dating in order to not lose that friendship.

978
01:20:38,020 --> 01:20:43,080
You then dated Gabe's sister over me and then asked about my dating availability immediately after that ended.

979
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,920
I tried to play it off but was uncomfortable with the whole situation. I felt like I was only important to you if I was datable,

980
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:54,320
and a backup option at that. Would I have been treated the same way as a new potential friend if I was male identifying?

981
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,680
This is the whole reason I went to your staff in the first place and not you directly.

982
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:03,800
I felt objectified by my direct experiences towards you and did not wish to repeat set experiences for the sake of my own mental health.

983
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:07,200
But you implied you needed the clarification, so there you go, buddy.

984
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:14,180
At this point, I feel exacerbated with the favor I've given you and others, personally, professionally. So I'll be ending the conversation here.

985
01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:18,900
To remind you, I am not a third party in the situation trying to get cheap or easy views off of

986
01:21:18,900 --> 01:21:48,880
popular content creator. This is how Chris treated me behind my back. This is how he never owned up to those actions till I had to find out about them myself. This is how his behavior has continued. This is how the greater DA games community could be potentially harmful to children. This is on top of Chris's misogynistic, anti-Semitic behavior that I stupidly forced myself to tolerate when he worked for me. And the fact that I have to sit here and fight and scream and kick for anyone to take this seriously is so emotionally draining, triggering, and insulting. This whole situation has been a nightmare, but I'm not going to sit here and let

987
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:56,560
everyone else pretend it's just a joke out of public convenience. And I would bet good money that he's still on your payroll. I'm at a loss of words.

988
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:18,660
Frankly, I do not have the patience or emotional bandwidth for your tone, your constant visualization, or to discuss this further with you at this point, for your own perceived direct benefit. To be blunt, you triggered the shit out of me, Stephen. And I still tried multiple times to communicate with you, but ultimately was met with silence until now. You were screaming on Twitter like a child at me for months after trying to get any kind of internal word on Chris.

989
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:24,540
and the information being in the public eye, and you still haven't fucking apologized for any of it.

990
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,360
How do you think this makes me feel?

991
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:32,500
On top of it only then to even be taking it seriously because I might make a video and hurt other people's reputation

992
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:36,960
really shows me how being affected by all this really matters in the long run to you.

993
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:43,460
Sexual harassment, use of Nazi imagery, pedophilia, fine to sweep it on the rug, just don't bring it up on Twitter.

994
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,920
Remise, you bring this upon yourself.

995
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:48,080
Part whatever.

996
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:53,580
Chris isn't the victim. Chris isn't the victim. I can't believe I have to even have this segment,

997
01:22:53,740 --> 01:22:58,200
but with the implication of Stevens, what are you going to do, record me comment on top of Chris's

998
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,380
statement talking about the recording being without his knowledge? Let's just clear this up.

999
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:07,500
So firstly, as already stated, I thought it was obvious that a call-up was being recorded for safety reasons

1000
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:14,380
because it's about sexual harassment. It's not like a fun call. Like, I thought it was obvious. Obviously, it wasn't.

1001
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:18,060
This isn't just someone calling me a bitch or something, subliminally small. Like,

1002
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:23,060
This is someone using the fact that I am a girl as a way to negatively sexualize me to make themselves feel better?

1003
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:24,820
Should I have to say that's not okay?

1004
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:28,400
Additionally, this is someone I trusted enough to represent me at a convention.

1005
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,600
This isn't just some rando being a dick because he's mad at me for existing on the internet.

1006
01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:34,460
I think that's why this sucks a little bit more.

1007
01:23:34,820 --> 01:23:38,100
Figures, because bitches love bringing up old stuff.

1008
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,700
Something else to keep in mind is the loss of reputation, which is hard to recover from.

1009
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:48,040
How do the receivers of the story, knowing that it's false?

1010
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,040
or not going to feel about the person who the story is being told about.

1011
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,540
I didn't know this was happening, and I can't defend myself for my reputation if I'm not there.

1012
01:23:55,540 --> 01:23:58,040
If it was a collaborator I was interested in working with at the time,

1013
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,040
he would definitely have negative feelings about working with me now.

1014
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:06,040
What happens if the story spreads or becomes distorted through a game of telephone and changes depending on the teller?

1015
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:11,040
First impressions can last months or even years, and will psychologically affect personal treatment and ideals,

1016
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,040
even the fact of contrary evidence.

1017
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,040
See, the political landscape.

1018
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,540
This is not something Chris came to me about after it happening.

1019
01:24:17,540 --> 01:24:19,540
We seemingly had a decent rapport up to this point.

1020
01:24:19,540 --> 01:24:21,540
Chris could have admitted this happened years ago,

1021
01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:25,540
and I would have still been pissed, but at least he would have owned up to it and maybe made a public apology,

1022
01:24:25,540 --> 01:24:27,540
but instead I had to hear it from a witness.

1023
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:31,540
It makes me feel like crap. It makes me feel like my personal comfort, safety,

1024
01:24:31,540 --> 01:24:34,540
and privacy is less important than convenience, or the brok code.

1025
01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:37,540
At the same point, I want to analyze the implications of mistreatment.

1026
01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:39,540
Like, if Chris really felt this way,

1027
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:43,540
I don't know why I didn't come up at that moment he was making those jokes, or after,

1028
01:24:43,540 --> 01:24:45,040
or even when I confronted him.

1029
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,540
It came up on apology statement as a vague reference.

1030
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:53,040
This is actual sexualized art, a sexualized story, buying me a Discord figure years ago.

1031
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,540
And he also made comments on my body when I did the Ice Bucket Challenge.

1032
01:24:56,540 --> 01:24:59,540
So, three sex things plus a potential romantic gesture.

1033
01:24:59,540 --> 01:25:03,540
Chris maybe have been bitter because I didn't reciprocate romantic feelings or something.

1034
01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:07,540
Turns out editing group free isn't a winning strategy for dating K.P.

1035
01:25:07,540 --> 01:25:14,540
And then things got worse.

1036
01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:16,540
Hi, I'm Courtney.

1037
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:16,540
You may know me.

1038
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:20,540
You may know me as Pete or Orchard, but honestly, call me what you like.

1039
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:25,540
K.P. reached out to me a few weeks ago, asking me to cover the Gabe's story in more detail,

1040
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:31,540
as she was busy working on this video here, and I unfortunately have a fair share of experience with recognizing online grooming,

1041
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:34,540
and I'm pretty unashamed in speaking out loudly against it.

1042
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:39,540
Gabriel C. Brown, also known as Black Griffin Online, has had growing speculations and concerns

1043
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:44,540
regarding his relationship with his now wife and voice actress of Sweetie Bell on My Little Pony.

1044
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:45,540
From most accounts, it's a little bit.

1045
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:52,540
From most accounts, it looks as if Gabe had groomed his now wife from the time she was 14 until she pursued him herself at the age of 20.

1046
01:25:52,540 --> 01:25:58,540
After their announced engagement and subsequent marriage, Gabe faced growing accusations online of grooming his wife.

1047
01:25:58,540 --> 01:26:03,540
He dismissed the accusations under the guise that he had not known her prior to her being 20,

1048
01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:09,540
and any interactions they did have while she was a minor were strictly professional and in convention spaces only.

1049
01:26:09,540 --> 01:26:15,520
A Google document has since been created compiling evidence from Gabe and his wife's own Twitter and YouTube accounts proving

1050
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,520
these dismissals to be false, as well as proving multiple other instances of Gabe showcasing problematic behavior.

1051
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:28,520
I've covered the topic in a little more depth in an hour-long video on my channel, which will no doubt be linked in the description below.

1052
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:34,520
Anyway, I'm sprinkled throughout this video a few times, so I shall see you all in my next segment.

1053
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:48,520
I became a fan of Saber Spark when I was in high school when I found his essay titled Ballad of the Brony in 2011.

1054
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:54,520
After graduating and turning 18, I added him on Skype to tell him I was a big fan of his.

1055
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,520
He added me back almost instantly, and we had a conversation ending with him giving me his phone number,

1056
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:04,500
which was a really big deal to me at the time, since this was the first time interacting with any sort of some sort of

1057
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:10,740
celebrity. I had developed a parasycial crush on him due to being starstruck, which was something he was aware of.

1058
01:27:10,740 --> 01:27:15,580
We would talk on Skype and text each other semi-frequently leading up to the first time meeting him.

1059
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:23,500
In 2012, I went to my first pony convention. This was my first time ever traveling by myself and was soon after the two of us became friends.

1060
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:31,700
When I met up with him in person, he invited me to his hotel room and he showed me the video he was editing on his laptop, causing me to internally geek out.

1061
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:38,440
I was really nervous being alone in a hotel with someone I was a huge fan of and had a crush on, but I tried to play it cool.

1062
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,620
He was four to five years older than me, making me feel more nervous and out of place.

1063
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:47,600
He would bring up the prospects of the two of us dating and how it didn't feel right for us to do so.

1064
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:52,780
After that, he almost immediately initiated making out with me and guided me to his bed.

1065
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:56,060
In this moment, he did not directly ask me for consent.

1066
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,500
I was thrown onto his bed and he would insert himself into me.

1067
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,680
Saberspark was also significantly due to his bed.

1068
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:07,500
larger than me, as I was an 80-something-pound 18-year-old girl, so I physically could not stop him.

1069
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:12,380
I felt extremely nervous and uncomfortable because I had never experienced having any sort of

1070
01:28:12,380 --> 01:28:17,920
sexual intimacy with someone I was not dating before, much less someone I just met. I was very

1071
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:22,880
new to meeting people online in general. At that moment, I laid there dissociating, as I felt very

1072
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:27,680
wrong while trying to rationalize it in my head to convince myself it was a safe and normal encounter.

1073
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,660
He rushed off the clean and finished himself and came back to the bed, and offered him to the bed, and offered

1074
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:40,860
me a handshap saying, friends, this would cause me for the rest of the event to feel that I was taken advantage of and ashamed of myself for not trying to stop the interaction.

1075
01:28:41,060 --> 01:28:49,220
Though I tried pretending I was fine to everyone around me, I was and still am demisexual, and being put in that position was not something I wanted.

1076
01:28:49,460 --> 01:28:55,080
I maintained the friendship until a second occurrence happening at a completely different pony con in 2013.

1077
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,100
This time we met in a public space, but had no one around and talked for a while.

1078
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,640
He kept bringing out the process.

1079
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:30,640
prospects of us starting a relationship, but how it felt wrong. He would grab my hand saying how it felt so right, only to push my hand away, saying, but so wrong. I had decided that my crush on him was something I needed to get over because I felt that my emotions were being toyed with. He then suggested going to a more public space around others, and we went into the elevator to go up to the lobby of the PonyCon hotel. As soon as the door closed, Saber Spark forcibly shoved me against the wall and shoved his tongue down my throat.

1080
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:35,940
It scared me and actually hurt triggering another attack of dissociation.

1081
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,720
Once again, he did not ask for consent when throwing me into this situation.

1082
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:44,600
Once the doors opened and people were present, this led me to feel very embarrassed.

1083
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:51,460
He got off me and took my hand and guided me towards the stairs to go back down to where we just were

1084
01:29:51,460 --> 01:29:57,420
and into a men's restroom where he pulled his fans down and guided my hands and had to perform oral sex on him.

1085
01:29:57,420 --> 01:30:00,620
I was afraid of denying him because of past experiences was something.

1086
01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:05,280
sexual assault, so I did it to get it over with, without wanting to cause a problem, where he would

1087
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:10,740
ejaculate on my face, apologized profusely, and then offered the same handshake, as he did at the

1088
01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:16,580
con I initially met him, saying, friends? Despite pretending I was fine, I had slowly begun pulling

1089
01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:21,460
away from Saper's bark. I cried that night, while staying with a friend, but waited for that friend to

1090
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:26,440
fall asleep, so no one could hear me, and I would cry for months, feeling ashamed of myself for putting

1091
01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:29,940
myself in a compromising situation with someone I hardly knew.

1092
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:36,840
I had always felt taken advantage of by him, and tried being friendly and pretending nothing was wrong because it was all I knew how to do.

1093
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:45,020
I would blame myself for the interactions for years, only opening up to a few close people, questioning if consent was implied because of my crush.

1094
01:30:45,180 --> 01:30:50,000
And unwillingness and fear to outrage stop the advances because of how uncomfortable I felt.

1095
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:55,600
I understand that there is a possibility that he felt consent was implied because he knew I had a crush in him.

1096
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,920
However, he did not once ask for consent directly, and was instead threatened.

1097
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:17,680
into these sexual encounters usually very suddenly. There were no discussions about the power dynamic between us as a popular content creator and a fan at any time. In my parasocial connection to him and not wanting someone I was a fan of to hate me if I rejected him, leaving me afraid to stop his advances.

1098
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:29,900
Over time, I grew increasingly distant and would eventually end contact completely. I don't feel safe enough to fully come forward because I don't want his fans and friends or even him to harass or contact.

1099
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:38,900
me publicly. I wish to stay anonymous so I can avoid the anxiety and stress of being targeted by either him, his friends, and especially his fans.

1100
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:46,900
As Saber Spark has over 2 million subscribers and even sharing my story at all has me feeling really afraid.

1101
01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:52,900
I have seen other instances of Saber Spark using his enormous platform to confront people online he has had conflict with.

1102
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:58,900
I have also witnessed several instances of his friends attempted to justify him and others' actions.

1103
01:31:58,900 --> 01:32:06,900
I was not made aware of his jokes about consent and his recent behavior involving Chris until only recently and I had left my stomach in knots.

1104
01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:10,900
I please ask above all else for my privacy to be respected.

1105
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:15,900
I don't wish to publicly defend my personal experience and just wish to share my experience.

1106
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:23,900
So welcome to the video where we break this down a little bit more and talk about what is consent because, yeah, it's an important discussion here.

1107
01:32:23,900 --> 01:32:27,900
So because this is a really serious conversation and I know almost nothing about it.

1108
01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:35,900
almost nothing about sexual assault. I invited Courtney again. She's all over this video to talk about, like, what is consent?

1109
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:44,900
And when consent is there and when it's not there. We're having a great time here at the worst video ever.

1110
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:51,900
And just kind of break it down so we have a better understanding. And all you nerds out there don't do something really, really bad like this.

1111
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:57,900
Don't do it, guys. Don't do it. Hi again, Courtney.

1112
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:01,740
Welcome. You'll be in the video everywhere at this point.

1113
01:33:01,740 --> 01:33:08,540
Hello, everybody. It is I. I have returned once again. So happy to be here.

1114
01:33:09,340 --> 01:33:27,500
So I've shown you the testimony at this point. What are your general vibes on it besides icky and sad and I don't know. This is just like super triggering to me because yeah, so I thought I'd also bring you in there, bring you in there.

1115
01:33:27,500 --> 01:33:44,500
bring you in here to hold my hand during this. But yeah. In terms of the testimony, it's just, it's just kind of heartbreaking, really. It's just, it's always heartbreaking to me when people question their own sexual assault just because of the lack of education around it.

1116
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:57,480
And like, something that I just want to say to anybody out there is a consensual sexual encounter is never something you're going to question after.

1117
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:27,220
words. Okay? Like, you just don't question a consensual encounter. Sure, you may have a consensual encounter that's unsatisfying. You may have one that you, you know, regret that might, you may look back and want to go, you know, if I can make that decision again, I probably wouldn't. But people don't question consensual sexual experiences with, did I just get violated? To be quite honest.

1118
01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:44,000
And like the other thing that kind of breaks my heart is there's one point in her testimony where she questions if I'm remembering this correctly that like maybe she was at fault because she had a crush on him.

1119
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:52,040
Like maybe she gave the wrong signal or something. Maybe she implied something or he thought consent was implied because he knew there was a crush on her.

1120
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:58,220
Like, in all honesty, consent is never implied.

1121
01:34:59,300 --> 01:35:10,620
Like even secure, confident individuals in a sexual encounter will check in with their partner as things escalate and change gears.

1122
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:13,540
And they'll say things like, you know, are you okay?

1123
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:16,360
Should we keep going? Is this good?

1124
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:22,020
Like, because consent is not something that is implied. It's never something.

1125
01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:32,920
that's not, you know, an absence of a no is not a yes in any regard. An absence of

1126
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:41,640
resistance is not compliance. And even in that regard, compliance is not an invitation.

1127
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:50,580
Mm-hmm. Because this girl had a crush on Sabre, it was okay that he just kind of initiated things. And then

1128
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:57,980
And especially too in the elevator in a public space when he's just much larger than her, like physically.

1129
01:35:58,540 --> 01:35:59,560
I don't know.

1130
01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:00,760
It's it's all icky.

1131
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:09,380
But like what would you define consent as and when would you define, like, like, obviously this isn't it for sure.

1132
01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:10,420
But go ahead.

1133
01:36:10,420 --> 01:36:18,040
And in terms of like a definition of consent and what it is and what it isn't, um, consent is an excited yes.

1134
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:19,400
Consent is.

1135
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:28,460
is exuberant, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Payback, for lack of a better term, I guess.

1136
01:36:28,460 --> 01:36:37,160
Like, two people in a consensual encounter engage in a give and take. Like, it's never just one person

1137
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:44,100
doing all of the action and the other person just laying there like a bump on a log. You know,

1138
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:49,380
it's an action that two people engage in when it's consensual. Um, it's, it's, and it's, um, but.

1139
01:36:49,380 --> 01:37:19,360
nine times out of 10, when it's one person just using another person's body for sexual gratification, that's not a consensual encounter. That is just a violation of somebody's person. And it's actually pretty common for, like, sexual aggressors to attack somebody, like, in a innocuous sort of sense, like in the elevator, especially pretty common for, like, sexual aggressors to attack somebody, like, in a, in a innocuous sort of sense, like in the elevator, especially.

1140
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:31,900
at like a convention or something like that in public because it sort of dissuades the target or the victim from actually saying anything. Because

1141
01:37:31,900 --> 01:37:49,340
like half the time people will think, well, this is being done in public. Surely somebody's going to say something, so I don't have to. But the other part of them doesn't want to cause a scene and be embarrassed because they're already embarrassed by the fact that they're being attacked, the fact that they're being attacked, the fact that PDA,

1142
01:37:49,340 --> 01:38:19,320
in general is seen as like a sort of cringy, embarrassing thing. And like, they don't want to draw more attention to themselves, especially while they're dealing with the fact that they're being attacked. And part of them just hopes that somebody's going to do it anyway, like step in and say something anyway. And the problem with the public, the general public is they sort of fall into the someone else will deal with it mentality, whereas everybody sort of assumes that somebody else is going to step in and say,

1143
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,020
something, so they therefore then won't.

1144
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:30,120
Well, the other thing I wanted to throw in there, too, is nothing that's illegal, but kind of the parasycial

1145
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:36,280
relationship of like, you know, it's always, it seems like it's a common thing where like, you know,

1146
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:41,100
back in the day, rock stars would sleep with their groupies kind of thing, but now it's kind of more

1147
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:48,360
disgust that that's a paradigmic that shouldn't really be abused. And especially when you don't

1148
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:55,200
really know someone in person. You know, like, from the testimony, this is her first time in person

1149
01:38:55,200 --> 01:39:01,660
with Sabre. And he immediately jumped, not immediately, but he pretty much immediately jumps on her.

1150
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:06,380
So that also kind of gave me a big ick. Any thoughts on that?

1151
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:14,460
And one other thing I wanted to add in is that, you know, confident individuals in a sexual encounter

1152
01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:18,200
don't have to assume that consent is there.

1153
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:26,780
because they will ask. And to be honest, the only time you're not asking or checking for consent

1154
01:39:26,780 --> 01:39:34,580
is because you know yourself that the yes is not there. And you don't want to hear the no,

1155
01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:42,000
so you will not ask. Okay? Because if you think consent is complied and you think the person

1156
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:48,180
that is, you know, on the other end of it is actively participating, if you know, the answer,

1157
01:39:48,180 --> 01:39:54,900
going to be yes, then what do you have to lose by just asking? And being a responsible individual

1158
01:39:54,900 --> 01:40:04,220
when it comes to sexual practice and just asking. And the difference between, like, rock stars sleeping

1159
01:40:04,220 --> 01:40:11,780
with groupies comes down to like literally consent. Like, there's a big difference between, you know,

1160
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:18,160
the chick who's going to see the rock star perform and like flashing her tities while he's performing.

1161
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:25,420
and then going and flashing her titties to the bouncer to get backstage and then flashing her titty's in the rock star's face,

1162
01:40:25,540 --> 01:40:30,840
probably making out with them a bit of her own volition, and one of them saying, hey, let's go back and sleep in the van.

1163
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:38,200
Like, there are multiple instances where consent is very, very clearly given by the groupie sleeping with the rock star.

1164
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:47,180
And like, yeah, there may be a certain power dynamic and like, there absolutely is multiple instances of rock stars abusing that to be like,

1165
01:40:47,180 --> 01:40:51,580
hey, well, I'm famous, show me your titties. But there's a big difference between going, hey, I'm famous,

1166
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:57,860
show me your tithies, and someone going, I'm showing you my tities because I want to sleep with you. Right?

1167
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:07,000
Like, just the act of like basically showing you my tities is in most circumstances an invitation to touch my body, okay?

1168
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:15,860
In no way is I'm a big fan of yours, an invitation to touch somebody's body. And I also find it really,

1169
01:41:15,860 --> 01:41:25,000
really weird that this dude meets a fan gets the inkling she has a crush on him so he invites her back to his

1170
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:32,680
hotel room. Okay, like getting invited back to the hotel room has sexual connotations and the fact that

1171
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:38,880
she didn't realize that just shows how naive she was and the fact that none of that was communicated.

1172
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,840
Because clearly he knew what he was inviting her back to the hotel room for, but she did

1173
01:41:45,840 --> 01:42:15,820
And that just gives me like major, the major ick, to be quite honest, because like, it's really as if Sabre is acting like he's Jean Simmons inviting you back to, you know, the hotel room. When in reality, he's a pudgy, brony YouTuber showing you his animations before he shows you his dick. Like, that's not the same thing at all. Like, you think there is some kind of weird. Like, you think there is some kind of weird.

1174
01:42:15,820 --> 01:42:23,820
parasocial dynamic too that she felt uncomfortable, you know, advocating for herself because like, oh, this is the real Saberspark TM.

1175
01:42:23,820 --> 01:42:30,820
Like, I don't want to feel like, you know, he might say something on Twitter, you know, blast me publicly.

1176
01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:38,820
Like, is there pressure just generally speaking when celebrities, you know, have those kind of encounters with fans, I guess?

1177
01:42:38,820 --> 01:42:41,820
Of course she would have felt uncomfortable advocating for herself.

1178
01:42:41,820 --> 01:42:45,800
Like, most fans don't get to meet their idol.

1179
01:42:45,800 --> 01:43:15,720
in person. So meeting your idol in person is already a very, like, exalted sort of status. Like, that's something most fans dream of, but never actually get to. So once you put a fan in the situation where they're meeting their idol in person, something they dream, probably never thought would happen, but always dreamed would happen. No fan is going to do something that's going to jeopardize that. And that includes offending their idol. And, like, it's, it, the idol knows that. And for, like, say, like, anybody to sit there and be like, well, you know, what if,

1180
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:45,480
what if so and so wasn't aware of the power dynamic? Like, they always know. You can always tell. You can always feel it. You can tell when somebody is fangirling. And to, like, for someone who's going to sit there and pray on that and be like, well, I know you're not going to say no to me or at least give me a hard boundary that could possibly offend me. So I'm going to exploit that by asking things of you that I know you wouldn't say yes to in any other situation. And like,

1181
01:43:45,480 --> 01:43:54,940
to be quite honest, no fan is going to do any, most, sorry, most fans are not going to do anything other than fall into line with that.

1182
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,240
Because again, they're getting to an exalted status of getting to meet their idol in person.

1183
01:43:59,780 --> 01:44:03,860
You know, they've been a fan of this person, they've done art for this person, they've dreamed of meeting this person.

1184
01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:07,780
They're not going to jeopardize that by offending that person by saying no.

1185
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:15,340
And not that those relationships can't happen, but it's very tricky water as far as, you know, establishing.

1186
01:44:15,340 --> 01:44:22,260
and acknowledging the power dynamic and discussing it before, like, even anything were to happen.

1187
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:28,320
But I don't know, my whole MO has never really been to go date your fans because, you know,

1188
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,280
like, your fans are not a dating pool.

1189
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:35,560
They're, like, they're just, you know, they're there to consume your content.

1190
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:40,880
I don't know. It's just ick. It's not technically illegal, but it just kind of ick to me.

1191
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,320
And in terms of dating your fans, like, I don't know, I just kind of miss the date.

1192
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:49,980
where it was considered just not kosher to date from your fan base.

1193
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,900
Like, that was considered poor form.

1194
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:56,660
Because, like, your fans aren't your peers.

1195
01:44:57,020 --> 01:45:02,680
And I just, I always question why, like, when somebody can't pull from their peers.

1196
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:11,180
Like, why is it that you can't, like, land somebody and date somebody who's, like, on an even playing field with you?

1197
01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:13,540
Why does there have to be a power imbalance?

1198
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:15,300
And, and, like,

1199
01:45:15,300 --> 01:45:17,820
that's always like the trend with these types.

1200
01:45:18,420 --> 01:45:22,820
Like, if you look at like their, most of their relationships, they're, oh, there's always a power

1201
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:27,080
imbalance. And if you have a track record of having a power imbalance in your relationships,

1202
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:33,520
what is wrong with you? Like, why do you need to have a one-up on somebody in order to be in a

1203
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,020
relationship with them? Like, you need therapy.

1204
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:38,160
Yeah, it's so fun here.

1205
01:45:38,340 --> 01:45:41,400
I think that's it, Courtney, unless you have anything else to add.

1206
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,280
Like, anything else you want to add that, that you remember,

1207
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,280
from the testimony, but you want to comment on?

1208
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:52,700
If you question if it's a violation, it probably was.

1209
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,580
If you feel violated, that was not consent.

1210
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,900
Your feelings matter. Your feelings are valid.

1211
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:05,160
Consent is never implied.

1212
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:13,120
Um, real men who get bitches ask for consent. I guess that's it.

1213
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:18,320
Uh, what a, what a good way to end the video.

1214
01:46:18,740 --> 01:46:20,120
Not end the video, end the segment.

1215
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:21,660
What a good way to end the segment.

1216
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:23,780
Part five, why make this video?

1217
01:46:24,260 --> 01:46:28,820
Unfortunately, this is insight about how content creators can respond to situations of sexual harassment

1218
01:46:28,820 --> 01:46:30,420
and more damning incidents.

1219
01:46:30,700 --> 01:46:32,660
It's important to talk about how this stuff isn't okay.

1220
01:46:33,140 --> 01:46:34,900
And it's not something to make jokes out of.

1221
01:46:35,140 --> 01:46:39,040
I personally shouldn't have to be sexualized or belittled because someone didn't get what they wanted,

1222
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,480
and in a professional setting.

1223
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,100
The story and the other incidents are taken to an extreme.

1224
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:47,420
I should not have to fight with people to get justice for something like this or for other victims.

1225
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,740
And especially on receiving responses when there only might be repercussions on the line.

1226
01:46:51,980 --> 01:46:57,920
It's messed up, and I'm hoping this can be a learning experience for anyone who has ever made a nasty meme or taken something too far.

1227
01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:01,300
Admitting it and apologizing without being prompted can go a long way.

1228
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,840
And thinking about possible consequences should be as well.

1229
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:05,720
Chris didn't just make up a bad story.

1230
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:07,440
He did some other unsavory stuff.

1231
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,040
Combined with the lack of action, when a groomer is in the DA game space,

1232
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,640
when there are children in there,

1233
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:18,840
is unacceptable. There is nothing bad or off-brand about kicking a pedophile out of your community

1234
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:24,500
and letting other adjacent communities know. It also seems to me that many popular content creators

1235
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:29,100
don't know or frankly don't care about keeping their communities safe when it comes to problematic behavior.

1236
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:35,600
There will be confrontation involved. So if you don't like confrontation, maybe think twice about being a

1237
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:41,200
content creator. If you don't want so much responsibility, then consider making public spaces 18 plus.

1238
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:42,620
But even then, there's still.

1239
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:47,680
still might be creeps. So I made a quick little guide. KP's guide to dealing with bad people in your

1240
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:53,260
community. Number one, listen to someone if they have a serious concern and make sure they have screenshots

1241
01:47:53,260 --> 01:47:59,600
if possible. And if you're too busy, get a mod team to help you with this. Number two, if the screenshots are

1242
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:05,460
damning enough, skip step three and remove them from your space. Number three, if there are no screenshots,

1243
01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:09,800
confront the person with the issues stated and get their side of the story. Have others weigh in on the

1244
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,600
decision if it's a hard one. Number four, make

1245
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:19,600
a Google Doc with problematic or unsafe behavior so it can be shared with other communities, and this person can't prey on another fan group.

1246
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:24,600
Number five, look out for name changes in general suspicious behavior, especially in fandom communities.

1247
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:30,600
All in all, these people seem to be unsafe around children because they don't seem to care about holding anyone accountable.

1248
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,600
And Saber probably didn't think all this through because he didn't think it was going to be public.

1249
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:36,600
Oops.

1250
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,600
Hashtag sorry not sorry.

1251
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,600
Part 6. Shitting on Lily Orchard because it's fun.

1252
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,600
I'm going to be.

1253
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:50,600
I'm going to be.

1254
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,600
Oh, and the other.

1255
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,600
Oh, and so.

1256
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,600
Oh.

1257
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:58,600
Oh.

1258
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:20,840
So welcome to the Lily section for the people who only care about her and not any of the other stuff.

1259
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:24,400
Fun fact, Lily just rebranded herself as C.

1260
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,440
C.D. Call. Because it's totally about not escaping all.

1261
01:49:28,440 --> 01:49:34,140
all the pedophilia and abuse claims and just making people happy with her sunshiny content,

1262
01:49:34,140 --> 01:49:40,520
because her content's always just so positive and great, and Jesus fucking Christ, she's not fucking fooling anyone.

1263
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:42,680
You're a rotten liar.

1264
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:47,960
KP wanted to talk to sketchy about all these accusations made against me, and then show screenshots

1265
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,120
that made it very obvious that she's lying.

1266
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:54,520
Sketchy says rather plainly, I am not comfortable discussing my friends when they're not around,

1267
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,360
to which KP offers adding a third party whose relation to the case she has.

1268
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,840
has yet to disclose. But she is unfortunately missing the point.

1269
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:06,640
Sketchy did not want to have this conversation while I wasn't present, so the third party had to be me.

1270
01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:11,040
So sketchy stuff was generally taken out of context. In the screenshot I'm showing you,

1271
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:15,220
sketchy basically said he wasn't open to the conversation, even though I offered if a third party was

1272
01:50:15,220 --> 01:50:20,920
present and he still said no. The third party was implied to be Lily herself, so it didn't seem to me

1273
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:25,420
that he was open to the conversation regardless of Lily was there or not. If he was open to the conversation

1274
01:50:25,420 --> 01:50:28,060
when Lily was there, then he should have clarified that.

1275
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:33,300
with communication. And I'm still open to out that conversation even now. So like, let's go, bro.

1276
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:35,380
You move, Chief.

1277
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:41,420
The other thing in the first screenshot is that he just assumes I'm projecting. Like, that's a weird thing to say

1278
01:50:41,420 --> 01:50:45,640
for someone I don't really talk to you that often. I don't want to speculate on private conversation

1279
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:50,860
with Lily, but am I wrong to say that's a little sussy? It seems obvious to me that Lily talked to him

1280
01:50:50,860 --> 01:50:55,960
before I confronted him, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm not going to sit here and speculate that. Oh,

1281
01:50:55,960 --> 01:51:01,960
So fun fact, sketchy is also a not safe for work furry artist, which fine, you live your best life, sketchy.

1282
01:51:02,380 --> 01:51:06,280
But you know what? I don't think furry is really into the whole pedophilia scene.

1283
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:13,200
So you know it'd be great if all the furries spread the word and said not to commission this guy because he's friends with a pedophile.

1284
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:19,500
Let's we're an angry ball. What are we? We're an angry ball. Let's talk about the recording confrontation.

1285
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:25,600
So generally what happened during the segment is Lily kind of manipulated what I said and miscommunicated something.

1286
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,840
So I'm here to clarify because you know, fuck Willie, who cares?

1287
01:51:29,180 --> 01:51:33,400
So number one, Willie totally skips the part of the confrontation where she lies about Stockholm.

1288
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:48,660
So I was really fucking pissed off at the fact that fim fiction just basically, basically just kind of let anything go in regards to content and just hosted a shitload of child porn.

1289
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,940
So I wrote a book where basically a bunch of pet, so I wrote a thick where a bunch of pedophiles just get shot in the head.

1290
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:55,580
And then Brony's got really really.

1291
01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:58,580
mad about it and started lying about its contents.

1292
01:51:58,580 --> 01:52:01,580
That's a weird thing to leave out for someone who wants to tell the truth.

1293
01:52:01,580 --> 01:52:03,580
Isn't that convenient?

1294
01:52:03,580 --> 01:52:08,580
Um, KP, people have made worse accusations about you.

1295
01:52:08,580 --> 01:52:13,580
Yeah, because allegedly treating your employee as poorly is totally worse than raping your own little sister.

1296
01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:16,580
She needs to saw her priorities.

1297
01:52:16,580 --> 01:52:23,580
KP decides my denying of the accusations carries less weight than her making them because she just decided that was the case.

1298
01:52:23,580 --> 01:52:25,580
I never accused anyone of lies.

1299
01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:29,580
and Lily just was like, I don't want you talking to Courtney.

1300
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:36,580
So as a favor to you, if I reached out to Courtney and got her to apologize for the trans...

1301
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:40,580
No, no, no, no, I do not want you to reach out to Courtney at all.

1302
01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:43,580
Just seems like a weird thing to say if you have nothing to hide.

1303
01:52:43,580 --> 01:52:47,580
Pearl reaction to me just asking about it was so defensive.

1304
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:49,580
It's just a question, no need to get so defensive.

1305
01:52:49,580 --> 01:52:52,580
And where have they said worse things about me? I want you to cite your sources.

1306
01:52:52,580 --> 01:52:55,580
Never mind that when you don't have a significant social media,

1307
01:52:55,580 --> 01:52:58,980
a presence, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing it.

1308
01:52:58,980 --> 01:53:04,280
Yeah, because I'm gonna come out of total obscurity to accuse someone to rape for a thousand subscribers on YouTube.

1309
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:05,580
Makes sense.

1310
01:53:05,900 --> 01:53:07,340
Do you even hear yourself?

1311
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:10,780
Never mind that this is literally policy in some states.

1312
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:13,920
The fuck? What even? You're not even American, you stupid girl.

1313
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,980
Girl, can you not? I want to kiss your face with a hammer.

1314
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,680
She then decided to offer to mediate a call between me and Courtney.

1315
01:53:21,060 --> 01:53:23,060
And are you fucking kidding me?

1316
01:53:23,060 --> 01:53:25,560
Oh boy. Yeah, I sure I would love it if the

1317
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:30,100
queen of the lollipop guild organized a call between me and my abuser like we're on an episode of

1318
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:36,220
fucking smiling friends just because she's a goal bullshit with all the political awareness of a drunk sparrow in a rave.

1319
01:53:36,220 --> 01:53:43,580
The fuck? How is this political? Why a sparrow? Is that like a metaphor for something you meet up in your head?

1320
01:53:43,580 --> 01:53:50,740
That is without a doubt the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some people were surprised at how abruptly I ended the call.

1321
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:55,280
When K.P said she wasn't comfortable with the accusations made against me. I just said,

1322
01:53:55,280 --> 01:54:05,120
all right, bye, and left and blocked her on everything. Simple reason for that. I don't want to be friends with anyone who believes any of this garbage, and that's something I'm entitled to do.

1323
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:08,840
Yeah, sure. I never said you can't do that. It's just a little defensive and weird.

1324
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:14,120
I didn't yell. I didn't scream. I didn't call her any names. I just said bye and left.

1325
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:18,340
Girl, you called her a bunch of names in this video and demeaned her intelligence. Actually, actually bye.

1326
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:25,260
Okay, I'm out. Can't do this anymore. Need to go home. I never said I believed me accusations, just that they made me in

1327
01:54:25,260 --> 01:54:55,240
and wanted to ask Lily about them. Is that not communicating? Lily, you always hemmed and hollered about, oh, no one ever communicates with me. They never set boundaries and then they just leave when I make them uncomfortable. I just wish people would communicate and tell me when they're uncomfortable so we can find solutions together. You're such a hypocrite. Because I'm communicating that I'm uncomfortable, suddenly I'm a gullible shit. Gee, I wonder why your friends don't feel like they can communicate with you. You can go back over the podcast, so we did talking about personal trauma, where I bring up most of

1328
01:54:55,240 --> 01:55:02,040
the stuff and she's just kind of disinterested in anything that isn't about her. We just kind of accepted that. I mean, it's not that

1329
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:10,460
KP was a shitty friend. It's just that she was just kind of there and it was something that made cutting the threat upon KP, crossing my strictest boundaries easier to do.

1330
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:13,580
Let's talk about how I didn't want to interrupt someone who's talking about their trauma.

1331
01:55:13,940 --> 01:55:18,380
Michaela also had to push me to communicate with Lily. And Lily actively flirting with me was a little

1332
01:55:18,380 --> 01:55:24,400
uncomfy, especially live. Like, literally everyone, fuck you. KP is an absolutely lovely person.

1333
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:38,140
Yay. I'm going to slowly, I've made this joke, like, privately, but like, I'm slowly going to require a lesbian army and take over the world. Just give it time. Anyway. That is the like, that is the, that is the most aggressive polycule ever.

1334
01:55:38,860 --> 01:55:54,160
Lily, clearly never ever wanted to fuck me, never ever. And I never ever had a reason to not want to open up to her. And she seems to think that some kind of personal slight against her. That I never warmed up to her in the way she wanted me to. Then I learned about how she raped her sister and about Stockholm and the dog fucking.

1335
01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:58,400
And you fucking wonder where I'm like, yeah, maybe Lily Orchard isn't like the best person.

1336
01:55:58,900 --> 01:56:00,280
Well, I stay away from her then.

1337
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:06,580
This isn't even to call KP a bad person for being an aloof self-centered weirdo who's always disassociating.

1338
01:56:06,740 --> 01:56:12,200
Lily, you're being ableist. Just because you also have PTSD doesn't mean it's cool to say that I'm odd in the head.

1339
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:16,660
It's just that all that stuff made me realize I wasn't really going to miss her.

1340
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:22,880
Oh no, the incestuous pedophile rapist doesn't want me in her polykule anymore? Whatever shall I do?

1341
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:24,680
Stop, don't come back.

1342
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:31,280
In general, you should always be extremely suspicious of any accuser who tries to convince you not to listen to the accused response.

1343
01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:34,320
But that's what you did, Lily. That's what you did.

1344
01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:40,660
Oh, P.S. On the Britney section, Lily cropped out a lot of Britney's talking points to sound like she was talking to herself.

1345
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,240
So go check Britney's logs and report back.

1346
01:56:43,580 --> 01:56:49,320
That's your homework, unless you're stupid enough to relieve Lily on her word, which, you know, can't really help you there.

1347
01:56:49,700 --> 01:56:52,640
And also, she cut out all the dog fucking pictures in the patch section.

1348
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:53,520
So, you know.

1349
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:05,740
When we were, so we started school at like five or six, Lily started a five, I started at six.

1350
01:57:05,980 --> 01:57:11,180
And we always got the bus up at the top entrance of the trailer park where there was the store.

1351
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:18,520
Now, the trailer park used to be gated for whatever reason, and the stone walls that held the gates are still in place.

1352
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,920
I'm pretty sure they might even still be there to this day, but they were when we were growing up.

1353
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:27,260
And, you know, people used to just stick their chewed gum to it to discard their gum.

1354
01:57:27,260 --> 01:57:27,480
Yeah.

1355
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:38,220
And while we were waiting for the bus up by that store, Lily made a habit starting at like seven years old of, like peeling the gum off of, like, peeling the gum off of this wall and eating it.

1356
01:57:38,740 --> 01:57:42,080
Not like chewing it, just like swallowing it, just eating it.

1357
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:49,880
It reminds me of that scene of Elf, where he's just going around New York City and he's just like picking the gum off the sidewalks.

1358
01:57:50,380 --> 01:57:50,860
Exactly.

1359
01:57:50,860 --> 01:57:59,020
And it was so funny because I'd see her doing it, and then, of course, being six years old and that being disgusting, I'd go rat her out to her mother.

1360
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:08,660
And her mother would come over and start screaming at her to drop the gum, and like a dog with something it's not supposed to eat, Lily would just start shoving it into her mouth faster.

1361
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,260
Did she ever get sick, like, from this?

1362
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,460
Because this is like, like, like, ew!

1363
01:58:14,820 --> 01:58:17,800
Like, who knows who's putting the gum there?

1364
01:58:18,580 --> 01:58:20,600
I've been asked that before, but surprisingly, I don't.

1365
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,040
I don't think she ever did.

1366
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,400
Like, she wasn't sick a lot as a kid.

1367
01:58:26,540 --> 01:58:26,800
Oh.

1368
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,640
Or other than, like, the scarlet fever

1369
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:31,220
and the chicken pox, she really didn't actually get sick that much.

1370
01:58:31,300 --> 01:58:32,260
Neither of us really did.

1371
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,220
But, no, she just, like, and it was such a problem that, like,

1372
01:58:36,420 --> 01:58:37,760
we switched bus stops.

1373
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:40,700
Because she wouldn't stop eating the gum.

1374
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:47,540
So what was the reason that, like, she was even just out of, like,

1375
01:58:47,540 --> 01:58:49,140
boredom or something?

1376
01:58:49,140 --> 01:58:50,580
Or, like, she found the gun.

1377
01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:52,280
And if she's like, ooh, that's colorful.

1378
01:58:52,420 --> 01:58:53,960
I'm going to put it in my mouth.

1379
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:55,060
That's what she said.

1380
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:02,360
I mean, if she was really that, like, mentally incapacitated at 7, maybe that was the mindset.

1381
01:59:02,780 --> 01:59:09,480
I really couldn't tell you what brings one to seed gum crammed into a stone wall.

1382
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,040
That makes you think, I should put that in my mouth.

1383
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:17,960
And then you go through the effort of prying it off with all the little stones that are in it.

1384
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:19,900
And you just go, yes, in my mouth it goes.

1385
01:59:19,900 --> 01:59:26,780
I mean, like, you made a good point that even when you were younger, you kind of knew that was a little off.

1386
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:30,040
So it's not like she, you know, was just being a dumb kid.

1387
01:59:30,140 --> 01:59:33,800
I mean, I guess to some extent, but like, at the same time.

1388
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,340
Because for Lily, like, negative attention was still attention.

1389
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,020
And getting yelled at by our parents was attention.

1390
01:59:40,220 --> 01:59:42,460
So whatever made that happen was a good thing.

1391
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:47,320
And like, someone might suggest, someone might suggest in the comments of this video,

1392
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:48,860
maybe Lily had Pika.

1393
01:59:49,220 --> 01:59:49,880
No, she didn't.

1394
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:51,200
because she didn't eat weird things.

1395
01:59:51,300 --> 01:59:54,780
Like, she didn't, like, pick off the drywall and eat it or eat stones.

1396
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:56,860
No, it was just already chewed gum.

1397
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:58,160
What is PICA?

1398
01:59:58,740 --> 02:00:01,680
It's a, it's like, I think it's classified as a disorder,

1399
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,360
but it's a phenomenon where people will start eating things that are not food items.

1400
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,100
And typically it's because of, like, a mineral deficiency or something.

1401
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:12,760
I think there's also links to, like, psychological issues,

1402
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:16,400
but a lot of the times that your body is seeking some sort of vitamin or mineral,

1403
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,860
and then you end up somehow getting that from eating non-food items.

1404
02:00:19,860 --> 02:00:23,140
usually it like happens in terms of like stone.

1405
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,960
Like you'll find people eating rocks and it turns out that they have like a calcium or something deficiency.

1406
02:00:29,660 --> 02:00:33,060
Like so how long did this go on for? Like a year or two?

1407
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:39,040
Uh, no, it was a good, like, it was a good couple of weeks because like our mom was on her every time.

1408
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:43,420
It got to the point where when we would go walk to the bus stop in the morning, she would be like,

1409
02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:49,100
now Lily, don't eat the fucking gum off the wall. Like, just sit there and lecture her. And then, like, I don't know.

1410
02:00:49,100 --> 02:00:53,860
like a handicapped toddler, she got off the leash and it would go straight for the gum.

1411
02:00:55,140 --> 02:00:59,280
I like how there's already fan out of her, like, looking like a little gallum eating the gum.

1412
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:01,060
We need more fan art of this.

1413
02:01:01,660 --> 02:01:05,320
I mean, she kind of was like a little goblin, because, like, it got to the point, I mean,

1414
02:01:05,380 --> 02:01:11,060
it happened enough times that the other kids at the bus stop would just kind of like hang off,

1415
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:15,240
like, a little bit of ways from the wall and just sort of watch her do it.

1416
02:01:17,580 --> 02:01:19,080
So she literally would be like,

1417
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:25,400
crouched on top of this wall just with an audience, just prying up this gum and then yum, yum, yum, yum.

1418
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,360
Oh, that's nasty.

1419
02:01:27,660 --> 02:01:33,820
And it was never, like, the same energy of when she chewed my Barbie shoes, because she always had this habit of chewing up the shoes of my Barbies.

1420
02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:40,280
Never their feet, but just the shoes, which, honestly, I just chalked up to, well, she's, she's, like, ADHD and autistic.

1421
02:01:40,580 --> 02:01:44,020
She chews on shit. Of course, she chewed on the plastic shoes. It pissed me off, but whatever.

1422
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:48,060
But it was never the same energy, because, like, it was only that wall.

1423
02:01:48,060 --> 02:01:52,060
Oh, like, yeah, it must have been for attention.

1424
02:01:52,060 --> 02:02:00,680
Like, which is, doesn't make it not gross, but like, uh, don't do that, guys.

1425
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:01,180
Yes.

1426
02:02:01,180 --> 02:02:02,180
Thank you.

1427
02:02:02,180 --> 02:02:04,180
I'm gonna.

1428
02:02:04,180 --> 02:02:06,180
I'm gonna.

1429
02:02:06,180 --> 02:02:08,180
I'm gonna.

1430
02:02:08,180 --> 02:02:10,180
I'm gonna.

1431
02:02:10,180 --> 02:02:12,180
I'm gonna.

1432
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:14,180
I'm gonna.

1433
02:02:14,180 --> 02:02:16,180
I'm

1434
02:02:16,180 --> 02:02:18,180
I'm

1435
02:02:18,180 --> 02:02:20,180
I'm

1436
02:02:20,180 --> 02:02:22,180
I'm

1437
02:02:22,180 --> 02:02:24,180
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1438
02:02:24,180 --> 02:02:26,180
"'What'

1439
02:02:26,180 --> 02:02:28,180
"'Irower'

1440
02:02:28,180 --> 02:02:29,180
"'Oh!'

1441
02:02:29,180 --> 02:02:30,180
"'I'm not going to

1442
02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:34,180
"'it

1443
02:02:34,180 --> 02:02:35,180
"'for'

1444
02:02:35,180 --> 02:02:37,180
"What I'm gonna'

1445
02:02:37,180 --> 02:02:38,180
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1446
02:02:38,180 --> 02:02:39,180
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1447
02:02:39,180 --> 02:02:40,180
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1448
02:02:40,180 --> 02:02:42,180
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1449
02:02:42,180 --> 02:02:43,180
"'What?'

1450
02:02:43,180 --> 02:02:44,180
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1451
02:02:44,180 --> 02:02:45,180
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1452
02:02:45,180 --> 02:02:46,180
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1453
02:02:46,180 --> 02:02:48,180
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1454
02:02:48,180 --> 02:02:48,180
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1455
02:02:48,180 --> 02:02:50,180
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1456
02:02:50,180 --> 02:02:52,180
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1457
02:02:52,180 --> 02:02:54,180
"'and

1458
02:02:54,180 --> 02:02:54,180
"'I'm

1459
02:02:54,180 --> 02:02:55,220
Part of the

1460
02:02:55,220 --> 02:02:56,180
I'm not going to do.

1461
02:02:56,180 --> 02:02:58,180
"Oh, I'm gonna'

1462
02:02:58,180 --> 02:03:00,180
"'What'

1463
02:03:00,180 --> 02:03:02,180
"Oh, I'm'

1464
02:03:02,180 --> 02:03:04,180
"'What'

1465
02:03:04,180 --> 02:03:07,180
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1466
02:03:07,180 --> 02:03:08,180
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1467
02:03:08,180 --> 02:03:10,180
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1468
02:03:10,180 --> 02:03:11,180
"'What

1469
02:03:11,180 --> 02:03:12,180
"'I'm'

1470
02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:12,180
"'their'

1471
02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:14,180
"'I'm

1472
02:03:14,180 --> 02:03:16,180
"'he

1473
02:03:16,180 --> 02:03:16,180
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1474
02:03:16,180 --> 02:03:17,180
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1475
02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:19,180
"'I'm

1476
02:03:19,180 --> 02:03:20,180
"'you know

1477
02:03:20,180 --> 02:03:21,180
"'and

1478
02:03:21,180 --> 02:03:22,180
"'I'm

1479
02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:24,180
"'Oh

1480
02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:25,180
"'You know

1481
02:03:25,180 --> 02:03:26,180
"'I'm

1482
02:03:26,180 --> 02:03:26,180
"'Oh

1483
02:03:26,180 --> 02:03:27,180
"'You

1484
02:03:27,180 --> 02:03:29,180
Thank you.