You know, normally I love it when my
autistic obsession with the brony
community breaks into more mainstream
commentary, but this particular drama is
one that I very nearly didn't cover at
all. Because when the allegations made
by I Love Kim Possible a lot against
Saber Spark dropped, I was already aware
of their connection to the wider Black
Griffin drama, which I'll be honest with
you is a complete bloody headache. Now,
while this video won't go into detail
about those allegations, understanding
that wider drama, which revolves around
and indeed hinges upon persuading
somebody's wife that their now husband
groomed them, is unfortunately the only
way to actually explain why any of this
happened at all. So, while my long-term
dodging of this story might make me a
bit of a Johnny come lately, I've put in
work over the last week or so to really
unpick what's been happening behind the
scenes to give you all a clear view of
the insanity that's been occurring. And
I do mean insanity, because what I have
for you today is a drama that stretches
back over a decade, all the way to the
animation analysis community. I've heard
your house described as the home for
Waywood bronies, to be fair to her.
Like,
yeah, it was that way for a long time
until I I got over it. I I'm kind of
fascinated just hearing stories about
her at cons. Was she just always this
crazy Rachel? Uh, crazy isn't the right
word. Entitled is the right word.
Clueless is the right word. So, welcome
to the rabbit hole, ladies and
gentlemen. Allow me to show you what
happened to all those people who used to
unironically refer to themselves as
horse famous. Let's get into it.
Real quick,
but sacrificing putting children at risk
because you don't want to publicly speak
out about this behavior. Your fans
aren't your peers. Something better
could come out of this if you [\h__\h]
talk to us.
Firstly, given that this is a drama
finding its origin points back in 2012,
as you can imagine, there are a fair
amount of moving parts and various
parties who are involved. But my
interest lies almost solely, at least at
the moment, in the allegations being
leveled against Saber Spark and frankly
how they were platformed in the first
place. So, we're actually going to begin
on May the 1st this year when I love Kim
Possible a lot, also known as KP,
released a video she'd been working on
for the last several months on DA Games.
Now, KP has been knocking around YouTube
for a significant period of time with a
channel dating back to 2007, though
she'd reached the height of her
popularity in 2014, having started to
gain traction in the brony community in
2013.
Now, I have a soft spot for this little
community because it's produced some
fantastic dramas over the years. Regular
viewers will be aware of my obsession
with a creator from this community known
as Toon Critic, who was caught trying to
solicit nudes from a minor through My
Little Pony erotic roleplay. A brony
reviewer named Toon Critic Y2K, a person
with whom I and many others have worked,
has been engaging in sexually explicit
chats with an underageed
girl. Many of us reacted with shock,
confusion, anger, and sadness. While
Cartoon Analysis as a content bracket
has expanded over the years, its origin
and indeed its popularity can firmly be
attributed to the insane popularity of
My Little Pony, particularly amongst a
certain demographic. This is of course
also true of DA Games and Saber Spark.
And the footage I'm using at the moment
is from Saber Spark's own documentary on
the Brony fandom, which he made to
celebrate the community. While this all
sounds very pleasant and nice, it
probably won't come as a surprise to
many of you that the history of the
Brony fandom is basically a smorgus
board of allegations. And while this may
sound slightly callous, it doesn't
surprise me to watch this current drama
unfold in the way that it has. Allow me
to be blunt for a second. The
allegations against Saber Spark and
indeed DA Games do not exist within a
vacuum. They form part of a long-running
pattern for this particular fandom.
Firstly, there is an inherent problem of
the brony demographic. We are talking
about adult men who are obsessed with a
child's cartoon show aimed at little
girls. And that particular overlap
attracted an awful lot of nonses into
the community. But there is a secondary
element which many of you will not be
aware of. And it's the reason that we're
even talking about this in 2025,
considering it concerns events all the
way back in 2012. The brony fandom
actively encouraged people who'd gone
through abusive situations to forgive
their abusers and shut the [\h__\h] up about
it. If we withhold
forgiveness, it does not harm the
wrongdoer in any way.
I realize that forgiveness is not and
never was for the benefit of the
wrongdoer. It is for our own
benefit. It is what enables us to
finally release the anger, the
resentment, the hurt, the poison that
slowly turns our hearts
black. And that really wouldn't change
until 2018 when Lio Convoy came onto the
scene. Have I never mentioned that
before? The cartoon analysis community
is Lio Convoy's origin story. We'll come
back to this in a bit because it's
another piece in the puzzle which is
going to become relevant later. But the
relevance of that culture of silence
that existed explains why we're now
litigating these dramas years later
because any discussion of them at the
time would have been quickly shut down.
And it also became a bit of a trend for
people with pre-existing grudges to
happily run allegation stories on people
they didn't like with fairly flimsy
evidence. And yes, KP's video fits
firmly within this trend. In fact,
within KP's Discord, there exists an
archived thread of safety reports. These
safety reports are basically Google
documents on people who are problematic
within the community, be they child
groomers or just slightly annoying. The
idea being to spread awareness to the
wider community or anyone who may come
across these individuals. The video KP
was doing on DA Games was a safety
report, but it's probably helpful to
you, and because I don't want to pick
through a 2-hour video breaking it down,
to just hear from KP herself regarding
the timeline and motivations behind the
video, let's start um giving just a
brief background on how you ended up in
the kind of I I know you've got a fairly
long history with these kind of
communities anyway.
But why were you making a video about
the DEA DA group story in the first
place? Oh, wow. You don't really you
really don't know anything. Um
um so the original video was supposed to
be about um Chris. Chris was an ex
employee of mine that um I found out
made up a story about to be blunt um
jerking off to my clothes in a con and
bragging about it.
Um was never told that story.
Um a whistle a whistleblower told me it.
Um confronted Chris, recorded that call,
Chris admitted to it. Um contacted DA
Games and Saber
to see if they were going to do
anything. I contacted Saber through
through his employees cuz I don't really
like Saber, but I felt like it was fair
to give him a heads up. And um same with
DA. DA was I think all those um those
emails are in the video if you want to
like find a mirror and get them there.
But um the DA emails were essentially,
"Hey, seems like this is handled. Like
go away." And then I was like, well,
we're going to release this uh publicly
as a safety report, so like, do you have
any comment? And they started getting
really
um frazzled and they tried to
um use British law um
to convince me not to release it, even
though the laws didn't make any sense.
Now, I'd like to pause here for a moment
because the elements involving Chris
deserve further examination. I've now
heard that full call, and what was
initially presented was an edited
version of a much longer conversation.
Within this longer conversation, Chris
takes full accountability of his
actions. He apologizes repeatedly and
makes clear notes of actions he has
taken over the years to correct these
behaviors. These communities talk an
awful lot about people taking
accountability and that if people do
take accountability and apologize for
their actions, mostly they can just get
on with their lives afterwards. So, it
confused me quite a lot to hear Chris do
all the things you are meant to do and
still be expected to face serious
repercussions. We are talking about a
single instance over a decade ago with
seemingly no repeat behaviors. The idea
someone should be fired over this is
frankly absurd. And so I went back to KP
to ask her about it cuz I' I've I went
looking through some of the Chris stuff,
KP. Mhm.
And I mean I I'll be honest with you, I
it's it's very difficult with the Chris
stuff because what I've got is I've got
your section in the video which is a
2minute cut and it that's a condensed
version of the full call um which isn't
noted as condensed version in your video
and then I've listened to the full call
and Chris is highly apologetic, takes
full accountability for his actions,
explains to you that you know where he
was at the time and the fact that he has
sought therapy and to modify that
behavior. He's not making excuses for
it. He's l just actually taking account.
So, I'm I'm trying to
understand why you felt it was necessary
to make a video on him or why he should
be fired for something that happened a
decade ago and he has apologized for.
Um I I guess I just wanted a sense of
accountability.
if that makes sense. Like I get your
point though. Um it's very difficult
because what does accountability look
like? I mean again he didn't he didn't
actually assault anybody. He made up a
weird story which is very [\h__\h] weird.
I agree with you.
Um but he's you know if accountability
is you should lose your job, your
livelihood and everything else. I mean
that's would you agree that's fairly
extreme?
[Music]
Um, I think like maybe
like some sort of statement from him too
might have helped. Like, no, I get your
point though, like that this was a thing
that happened and this probably damaged
some relationships that I was working on
with the at the time. And um that kind
of sucks, but I I see what you mean cuz
I mean I I will say like from talking to
a few other people who've been going
over this, I mean the Chris stuff is is
is a point that it's kind of come up
again and again. It's like you know I I
see a lot of stories about people who
are like abusers who've like had sexual
conversations around and with kids. I
think there's a current drama going on
over again. some stuff that happened
like 5 years
ago and one of the particular people
involved in that, you know, he's he's in
trouble now because he's sort of pushing
back after sort of acknowledging what
he's done to this person. Um, but the
kind of prevailing thing is like, well,
if you just said, yeah, that was a
[\h__\h] and I was a bit weird and I', you
know, and I'm
sorry, no one would care. But with
Chris, you've got literally the reverse
of that situation where he does admit
it's a
[\h__\h] says that he's sorry, and it's
like that feels like it's not enough two
years later.
So, yeah, I I kind of want to be clear
about that cuz it that I think that's
something
that you are going to catch flack for.
Um, I think it was also No, that's fair.
I think it was
also I was frustrated like I think I
wanted some accountability. I was
frustrated with the responses I was
getting and I was frustrated that no one
was
like offering to help fix it. It was
just more like, you
know, if that makes sense. Sure.
Accountable. What What What does fixing
it look like to you?
Maybe some kind of um public like public
acknowledgement or something because it
had reputational damage but also maybe
like actually proving he went to have
some sensitivity training or something
and not just saying that.
Okay. If that makes sense. I mean, cuz
when I when I watched through your
video, he seems to say in his public
statement, "Yes, this is a thing that
happened and I needed to work on and I'm
sorry for." I mean, it was, you know, it
was a very corporate statement in some
regards. I I think I I think that's
fair, but it's like publicly this was
acknowledged as a thing that did happen
with Chris, right? Mhm.
So, yeah, I I think I think there is a
spiraling element here that Oh, I should
I should I should clarify that it was
only acknowledged
publicly.
Um I I felt he might be a little
bit dangerous just because he was kind
of lying about those kind of experiences
on top of when I looked into the DA game
stuff too. I don't know if you've gotten
there, but there's a lot of like
um gross behavior there. So it just
seemed like these people were
accountable
for themselves as well. So I guess that
it it became a bigger scope to me
once games was not really willing to
work with me and then once some of the
games victims found me and they were
like, "Oh, this is a pattern." Cuz they
do this stuff kind this kind of stuff
all the time. With that out of the way,
I suppose we should get to the Saber
Spark allegations themselves. Now, the
way I want to break this down is I'm
going to explain to you what the
allegations were and how they were
presented. And then I'm going to tell
you what happened behind the scenes, and
I can do that with
receipts because I have everyone's DMs.
And yes, that includes Brunie Fand's DMs
with KP, which make for fairly
fascinating reading. So, the allegations
against Saber Spark were first released
on Twitter through Brony Fandones
account, and believe it or not, that
fact's going to become quite relevant
later on. These allegations would come
from an anonymous source claiming that
in 2012 and 2013, though, it is worth
noting that there would be a later
correction that this all occurred in
2012. This individual met up with Saver
Spark twice and on both occasions they
engaged in non-consensual sexual
activity with him. KP would then present
these allegations in her video and
follow it up with a conversation between
herself and Courtney Pete regarding the
nature of consent. As a quick note for
those of you unaware of who Courtney Pet
is, this is the sister of Lily Orchard,
and most people will be aware of her
through her ongoing campaign against
Lily Orchard, who is alleged to have
abused Courtney during her childhood.
Regarding the allegations themselves,
and we'll come to who the accuser
actually is, I was immediately pretty
skeptical of these when I saw them. I
put out a Twitter thread outlining my
issues with the allegations the day
after they dropped, but I'd like to take
a moment to be crystal clear at this
point. I don't think anybody will ever
be able to say with 100% certainty that
these events did or did not occur. While
Saberspark has denied the accusations,
this occurred so long ago that the
evidence to condemn or vindicate him
just doesn't exist. Which is exactly why
accusations like this should never be
platformed by a creator. Putting anyone
in the position where they have to deal
with life ruining allegations when you
have no evidence to support them beyond
a single victim testimony is an
incredibly callous and [\h__\h] up thing
to do to somebody. And as we dive into
the deeper drama surrounding this story,
particularly when looking at people like
Brony Fand, that's a theme because when
it comes to the Black Griffin
allegations, vast amounts of the
evidence supplied against him is
incredibly shaky. And when challenged on
this, the defense is the quantity of
allegations, regardless of their
quality. And to be candid, it astonishes
me that this has gone on for as long as
it has. That being said, let's get to
the behind the
scenes. One thing I was made immediately
aware of is apparently Lio Convoy was
involved in this, which didn't come as
much of a surprise given his history
with this particular community. Lio
again has pre-existing relationships
with KP and many of the other people
involved in this particular fandom.
Actually, little bit of fun law for you,
but a lot of the people involved in the
Senate server actually originate in the
Brony community with individuals such as
Queen Saraphina even voice acting in
popular Brony cartoons like this one
from Pimations. Though to my surprise,
Liars's involvement in this is
incredibly minimal. He would though
share what DMs he had and it seems he
was added to a couple of different group
chats. The first involving the
individuals leveling accusations towards
DA Games as well as the individual
making allegations against Saber Spark.
In the interest of transparency and
because the DA Games group chat is less
of interest right now though is
referenced in later conversations. I
think it's useful to hear this first
recording just in full so you can get a
general scale of Liars's level of
involvement.
Is everybody here like previous
employees of DA Games? Is that what I'm
getting reading the chat here? Okay. So,
is everybody here an adult or we got any
minors here? I haven't heard the
interview myself, but I'm curious. When
you say unserious, is that because uh
humor is a coping mechanism for you? Cuz
that's pretty common.
I think maybe putting in a section
perhaps with a uh notation on studies
showing that sometimes people would cope
with things via humor and that's how
they figure out discussing it would
probably help to to that. Not just in
the sense that would recontextualize
your interview and obviously make it to
where it does need to be redone, but
also it further points out that you're a
victim of these things and that's how
you're internalizing it. And it puts
more credibility to your claim than just
redoing it and trying to do it in a
sterile as possible fashion. Of note
here, Lio's advice is to allow original
victim testimonies to stand as they are.
This is very, very solid advice for
reasons that will become clear in a
little bit. As for his conversation with
the Saber Spark accuser, well, that
requires a little bit of dissection. To
begin with, when KP came to LIO to ask
his opinion on this, Lio is incredibly
clear that the correct course of action
is to go to the police and file a
report. Then that needs to be handled by
the cops. Like
period, like 100% period. That that
needs a police report filed today.
Amazingly, he also points out the
complete bloody obvious that the accuser
trying to remain anonymous to protect
themselves from Saber Spark finding out
it's them makes no sense. Because if
this is true, Saber Spark will
immediately know who is making the
accusation. Here's the problem though uh
with that
inherently. If that did happen, and
Saber did do that, he will by nature
know who it is. So, if it gets out in
any way, shape, or form, and a police
report hasn't been filed, she's going to
be at risk. Like, that's just the truth
of the matter in this. And it's
unpleasant. It's ugly, but that's the
truth.
These sentiments from Lio would broadly
be reiterated to the accuser when he got
in a conversation with her because
whatever else you want to say about Lio
Convoy, and believe me, I understand,
even he sees the inherent risks of
running a story like this, noting that
it may open KP up to a defamation suit.
They'd continue to go back and forth on
this topic for a while with the accuser
pushing back that filing a report may
allow Sabre to find out who she is.
Though the accuser does accept by the
end that releasing this story at all
means that Sabre will be able to
identify her, which makes this entire
interaction again very, very bizarre.
I'd also like to point out that this
account, Sunspecs, was created
specifically to have this conversation
with Lio, as the accuser further
obiscates their actual identity. And
when Lio refuses to budge that a police
report is required, the accuser would
essentially ghost him and refuse to
communicate any further. So, who is this
mysterious accuser? Well, that would be
a woman by the name of Emu Emmy. Now,
how do I know that? Well, there were a
few reasons. There was a large amount of
circumstantial evidence that was
compiled in a Google document a week or
so ago. This spread like wildfire and
led to her name being shared in multiple
chats. We also have these vague posts
from Casey, the partner of Saber Sparks
editor. But I have to admit I was
slightly ahead of the curve here because
before any of this was public, Emmy had
provided a Dropbox link to a video as
evidence that she had attended the cons
in question. But Emmy is not some random
unknown individual. She is a public
figure. Her name is public. And if you
click on more information on this
Dropbox video, it has her name on it. It
is also worth me noting that at this
point now that Saber Sparks response is
out, Emmy has been on the record with
other content creators talking at length
about these accusations and herself. And
yes, I was offered this recording. And
the fact that such a large content
creator, somebody who has literally been
on Dr. Phil would try to platform these
accusations anonymously is an element
that deserves discussion and analysis.
Lio would also get me in contact with KP
which is why he is in the first call and
KP would provide confirmation that it
was Emmy. I expect you're also wondering
when this information became available
to KP herself. And I'll be honest with
you, that was also something I was quite
curious to know.
So, whatever. When When did you know?
When did I know it was Emmy? Yes. At the
beginning, right? Okay. Okay.
So from from sort of an outside
perspective, one of the big
difficulties I I guess with this story
is you
have a a reasonably sized creator uh for
this space coming out anonymously
um with a very long history with this
group. I mean, they, you know, they they
certainly interacted with Sabre uh and
everyone else in this, you know, around
the DA group for a a long period of
time. I I am surprised you didn't look
into anything about them or question the
fact that they were coming out with this
anonymously. Um, well, the anonymous
part seemed clear. She was afraid that
she was get going to get harassed and
with my interactions with Saber. um and
like other people's interactions with
Saber will he'll try to kind of use his
platform
to I I guess I guess kind of
um shake people a little bit. That's
what he tried to do with me at least. Um
seemingly
um I I guess I didn't question that. So,
like I guess suffice to say I was
[\h__\h] stupid and you know this is
going to be another long week. I don't
really know what to tell you besides
that. Before we move forward, we should
probably talk about who exactly Emmy is,
as that may shed a little light on why
they may wish to remain
anonymous. Emmy Jones is best known, at
least from a drama perspective, for
engaging in an affair with Ryan
Drummond, one of the Sonic voice actors.
and she is generally deeply disliked by
the Sonic fandom despite the fact that
like any good fan would, she did
apparently get him to do the voice. But
if this was her only controversy, I
don't think it would be relevant.
However, Emmy has a long history of
being an unreliable narrator or at least
being seen as such. I said earlier that
she's been on Dr. Phil. And while this
was just a rumor for a while, Emmy would
come out in the comments section of that
video confirming it was her at 16 on an
episode talking about how she wanted to
become a teen mother. Now, it is not
unusual for a content creator who's been
around this long to have their fair
share of dramas. But Emmys have a
particular flavor, and they come in two
parts. Firstly, Ryan Drummond is not
Emy's only sex scandal. Now, obviously,
there's the Dr. Phil episode, but she's
also been accused of using her, shall we
say, assets to force other voice actors
out of roles that she wants. If she
wants to get onto a project, she has to
brute force her way in. And normally,
she does this by sleeping with whoever
she can get her hands on. This is what
ended up happening with Wrath of Nazo.
Originally, the project starred Spirit
of the Blue as Sonic, and his best
friend, Blue-Eyed Fox, was voicing
Tales. Emmy wanted in on this project
because she had a thing for Spirit of
the Blue and she wasn't exactly happy
that somebody else was voicing Tails, no
less this person's best friend. So Emmy
slept with Spirit of the Blue so she
could replace Blue-Eyed Fox. It is worth
noting here that all of this does in
some way come from bias sources as we
see the theme of much of this being
based on testimony continue. But the
second flavor of controversy Emmy is
known for is sympathy baiting. While
there is the standard, I'm being
harassed comment that you'll see from
any run-of-the-mill creator, perhaps
most damning here is accusations that
any on multiple occasions has scammed
her audience through GoFundMe schemes,
asking for money for a variety of
ailments before mysteriously appearing
at conventions or on holiday. In the
interest of balance, I would like to
challenge at least part of this because
when it comes to the claim that she used
this money to attend conventions, that
doesn't seem to be true. As when it
comes to this period, she appears to
have had a good working relationship
with Sega, who would have covered her
attendance. This is not to say whether I
think Emmy is guilty or innocent of any
of these accusations, but she does have
an undeniable pattern when it comes to
drama, which is damaging in this case
because regardless of the validity of
these claims against Saber Spark, they
do fit within this motif. There are of
course no perfect victims and none of us
should have those expectations. But in a
case like this where there is no
evidence for the accusations being made,
the credibility of the accuser is
basically all I or anyone else has to go
on. Now, when other people have looked
into it, what they found is a video
called The Queen Fools by Lance Jerkov,
and I'm going to lay my cards on the
table here. I have a bit of an issue
with this video, and it feels a touch
like a microcosm of this entire drama.
And that's alongside her reputation as a
backstreet girl and a bad mother being
so wellknown in this fandom that
apparently people are just talking about
it openly with the final nail in the
coffin being her association with anime
James and Toon critic Y2K two men who
let's just say had a similar interest in
women to Jared Fogle because much of
what is presented is a fragment of
evidence and then an awful lot of
speculation and this is True, even of
the Drummond stuff. Yes, they had an
affair, but we have no idea what that
actually looked like. And it's used to
paint Emmy as a home wrecking [\h__\h] who
actively tried to destroy Drummond's
marriage. The fandom then does exactly
what you'd expect. They treat Drummond
as though he has no agency, and he is a
victim of some insane eth. Later on in
the video, Lance would also present
testimony from Steven Seers, a now
police officer but former employee of
Sierra Games. But Emmy denies even
knowing this person. And if it is true,
the implications are incredibly [\h__\h]
up because the dates that Seers
originally gives would mean that Emmy
was a minor at the time. When Sees is
confronted on this fact, he quickly
shifts position to saying it must have
occurred in 2013. But that makes little
sense with the overall timeline of Emy's
career. Irregardless, I don't know why
we're taking the testimony of a guy who,
while trying to [\h__\h] on this chick,
managed to make himself look like a
nons. Now, none of this should be
treated as though I'm trying to mount
some kind of defense of Emmy. I've got
my own opinions on the allegations, but
she won't talk to me. I have tried
reaching out to have a conversation.
She's simply not
interested. Rather, what I'm trying to
show you is that this community
regularly works of halftruths and
rumors. And that's pretty problematic
when we're talking about very serious
allegations. Even this video from Lance,
great example, because I was asking the
question as to why somebody would drop a
video like this when they've got a
fairly consistent upload schedule and
then seemingly vanish from their channel
and not upload for a year. And when I
went looking for that answer, multiple
people would tell me that Lance had
allegations against him. No one provided
any evidence for this, but if anything,
that's exactly what I'd expect.
This has obviously become so normalized
for this community. And so now as we
move into how these allegations were
handled, it begins to make a lot more
sense why nobody questioned these
allegations against Saber Spark before
platforming them. Somewhat depressingly
and ironically, one of the few examples
I can find of anyone doing any due
diligence is actually from KP back in
March when they were talking to Brony
Fandone about another victim who'd been
handed off to them and had turned tail
and run the minute they were asked
difficult questions. And KP even states,
"Yeah, figured I would check cuz God
forbid we are wrong." A sentiment which
would have been useful to keep in mind
when the next day rolled around and she
was presented with Emy's victim story.
Emmy would be funneled towards KP
through Bonk and Amy. For those
wondering who Amy is, the most
information I could get is that they are
somebody's wife. That's that's literally
it. But apparently they'd known about
this since 2015 allegedly. KP would then
work with Emmy to get the statement
prepared for release. Now, as a
clarifier here, there was some editing
of this statement, but as I can see it
being sent by Brony Fand, I can confirm
that the bulk of Emy's statement was not
guided or influenced by
KP. Nevertheless, I was interested to
know how much input she had had. And
when I set Jenny to work on a little bit
of digging, she found the Google doc
that KP had originally put out. Now,
because nobody knows how to protect
Google documents, apparently, Jenny was
able to retrieve the edit history, which
includes notes from KP intended to guide
Emmy in improving the statement. This
level of involvement is not apparent in
KP's video. She does not make it clear
that she has been working closely with
the victim before the release of this
statement. This allows her in the video
to look like an impartial observer just
reporting on these allegations, which is
not the case. But once again, I think it
is best that you just hear this all from
KP. So the there was a Google doc that
was posted that you did and put up with
her basically her full statement. The
one that was also posted on Twitter in
screenshots.
Oh, okay. Okay.
So, I guess I forgot I did that, but
yes. How much how much influence did you
have on that statement?
Um, I already discussed this with with
um
um Enter and um Lazy. Um I just gave
critique. I gave screenshots here. I'll
get the screenshots of me giving
critique to the to it. Um let me
uh Well, I get them. That's that's my
answer. And Courtney gave feedback as
well.
Okay. When you say critique, what are we
talking about here?
Um flow
of
things.
Um that's like basic English stuff like
nothing really. the the she she wrote
most of it
herself and I like was like let me put
this into
paragraphs
and give feedback on like the grammar
and the general flow of it. That was
really it.
Okay, I'm just having a quick read of
this. So, generally speaking, uh you
were in conversations with Emmy, um and
you were working on the flow of this
statement to present something to the
public.
Mhm. I mean, I I suppose my core
question is why didn't you provide an
interview call with Emmy if you kind of
had access to that?
Um, she was afraid. I mean, I I I even
asked her if she wanted to verbally read
her own testimony in the video, but she
was afraid that people could recognize
her.
Um because she's a voice actor, um the
her her voice. And then I said, "Well,
why don't we pitch what if we pitch it
down?" She says, "No, I think people
would still be able to recognize it just
based on how I speak." And I was like,
"Okay." So, okay.
Um, you understand
that kind of where the the way this
looks from your video is you have a
victim statement that looks far more
distant from you than is the
reality. And then you have a long
conversation with Courtney where you are
essentially uh
providing context to how you are seeing
this almost at a distance which is I I
would say fairly misleading to an
audience.
Um yeah the the the the idea with that
is um I'm just not familiar with essay
in general. Um, I believe
um I believe that
um you are familiar with Courtney's
history. She was someone I trusted. So,
I just felt like it would be helpful in
a call to
um to to talk about it from someone's
pers an um an SIS p um survivor's
perspective. So, that was kind of the
intention.
Okay. So, I mean there is another
element to this in that Google document.
um you are providing editing notes at
points where you're saying that here's
where you should mention this was
non-consensual um in both those
instances.
Um yeah, that was the that was
um I just wanted to make a note to make
that clear because that's what she said
to me. So, um,
I mean, I I'll be honest. What it looks
like is that you
had somebody come to you with a victim
story and then you tailored their
um, victim impact statement, which
is quite
bad. Um, but it like I I've seen little
bits of kind of the conversations
through LIO where you know there's a
question with one of the other members
of the DA group where it's like, well,
should we re-record the interview? And
Lio says, well, no, let the interview
stand as is. You can provide context
afterwards, but the interview should
stand as your interview. When you've got
something like this, the way it looks to
me is you've got, okay, well, this is
the statement from the victim. I know
that I'm going to use this in a video.
How do I make this like what are the
points that I need to hit with an
audience,
which is
um I mean not
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great. I mean, so was the general
critique. I just let them talk and I
didn't
like ask them like I don't I don't
really I'm not really following. So the
general critique is this. You let them
talk and then you took their statement
and tailored it to be more impactful for
content that you were planning to
release. And at the same time, I've got
statements from Brony Fand that you also
provided statements to the other DA
victims, which was sort of a line to
take.
I don't remember. Can you put that
screenshot in there? I don't really
remember that. Uh, yeah. Give me one
second. It would have been this one.
Oh, I mean I just I just wrote that
um to be helpful so he didn't um have to
do it. And my intention was essentially
like, "Hey, I wrote a thing. Change it
however you feel fit." Um I So that was
um and I guess he thought that I was
trying
to put words into his mouth.
Um and I just just like so things that I
assumed were um like he had talked to
the victim extensively. He he didn't and
I didn't know that. So,
um, you know, I I guess I was the only
one that talked to to her extensively.
Um, besides Amy, um, but,
um, yeah, I he's one of my people I or
one of the people I need to kind of talk
to, but I'm also afraid he's going to
screenshot me out of context again, and,
you know, that's scary as well. So,
yeah, I understand that. I mean, it's
it's
partly I what I run up against is when I
see stuff like
this and you said uh you you know
putting words in people's mouths. The
problem is what I've got to go on is
kind of like what I can pick through and
see, which timeline wise is there are
multiple documents being written um
including the large DA document which
had way more victim impact statements,
many of which have been pulled entirely.
Um I believe one of them is um James. Um
yeah, James James uh Jamie also got a
cease and just so that scared him,
right? Um pull out entirely. So, so what
I've got in front of me is multiple
documents in which there have been many
chefs involved in these particular
kitchens
and it it feels very guided which is is
concerning when we're talking about hit
pieces because then you know how much is
how much is influenced not just by the
people who may have gone through these
things but by people who are looking to
then utilize them because Bernie Fando
has been going after Black Griff in this
group for years now.
Um, uh, just to be clear, I had nothing
to do with the DA Games document. Uh,
those were written, uh, way before I got
involved, just to clarify.
Okay. Can you can you just explain some
of these edits in this document then?
Uh, like what does the highlighted in
purple mean?
I don't remember. Okay, that's fine.
It's fine.
Um, so yeah, it's it's a placement of
things of like bring up the fact that he
did not ask for consent here. Yeah.
Well, I I I just gave screenshots that
um gave more context to that. So, um I
guess it was Courtney's note cuz
Courtney also gave some feedback on the
statement and um
Okay. Uh I mean, not to blame her. No,
she Sure. Sure. I I mean, again, it's I
I get this is a collaborative process.
Um and Courtney's not here to sort of
give her side of what happened. So I
don't want to start just blaming people
who aren't
around. I suppose I suppose at a core
level what what and and this is why
people have focused in on the Saber
Spark stuff. What you have is testimony
of something that happened over a decade
ago um from one person who chose to
remain anonymous who has a long internet
history which is mixed again. Like I'm
sure that there are two sides to the
Emmy story. In fact, a few people are
are quite interested in the other side
of that Emmy story. You know, I've
already heard from them. I'm gonna I'm
gonna attempt to get it because she
seems to tr I mean, obviously don't um
release these screenshots publicly, at
least not not now without asking, but
she seems to trust me right now. So,
um for lack of a better word, I'm pretty
[\h__\h] pissed. And I feel like a dupe
that was put on for a ride, but
my implication with everything with so
Bon came to me with their with this um
story cuz he was having mental health
problems at the time and he didn't have
the energy to deal with it. So my
understanding, you know, feel free to
ask him. It was this was going to come
out regardless of me. So I was just
there already making a video about it.
So it just seemed like But yeah, sure,
but this stuff had been building for a
while um on some of the DA stuff. I I
can see that from the documents, but
this stuff with Emmy uh seems to have
come right out of the blue, right where
you needed it. And you seem to not have
questioned, should we say, uh the good
fortune of of that happening. you seem
to have just gone, "Oh, great. Cool.
Well, now I've got something to go at
Saber with."
Um, well, let me clarify. Um, so I I I
would imagine you can ask Amy about
this. I don't how long she maybe she
said 2023, I think. Um, but she has
known about this for a couple of years.
Amy is um Peter New's wife who um I mean
don't tell her I I sent you cuz she
doesn't like me right now. But
um she was the one I originally talked
to to get in contact with um
is that the is that the other Pegasus
sister or whatever the hell? Uh I don't
think Amy has a presence in the the
fandom. Okay. Okay. cuz I'm just like
even for me, I'm just trying to make
sense of who these people are. Now, it
might be slightly hypocritical for me of
all people to criticize someone else for
becoming too involved in a story, but
there are lines to this and getting a
victim to edit their impact statement is
certainly a line. While KP argues this
is to clarify and fill in gaps, these
edits read far more as trying to remove
any semblance of doubt and emphasize
things like the power imbalance. Making
sure a victim's impact statement fits
more easily with the arguments you're
going to make in your video is certainly
highly unethical. Within the DM logs
between KP and Emmy, KP provides
feedback from Courtney Pete. One
particular line of interest is, "And it
sort of kills me that she might be
giving any sort of grace to him at the
expense of herself because he considered
it implied." And this isn't just a
throwaway line. It's intermingled
amongst a tirade on how consent works,
emphasizing why that line in particular
is an issue. It would work, too. Emmy
does change her statement because of
this feedback. Hey, sorry. I removed the
part giving him grace by saying I
understand he may have thought consent
was implied. Courtney is definitely
right. I just know his retort is going
to be him believing consent was there.
Courtney is right though. It was never
implied even if I did like him at the
time. This is direct evidence that KP
and Courtney worked to tailor the victim
statement to make it more damaging. And
the reason this is an issue is because
it's not how Emmy necessarily sees the
situation. It is KP and Courtney trying
to influence Emmy to perceive the
situation through their lens. If you
care about what victims have to say, and
this story is full of people who don't
care what victims have to say, you
should respect those original
statements. But as if to perfectly
encapsulate my point of how [\h__\h]
careless everyone here is, I went to
check the release statement and that
section about implied consent is still
present. I thought I was losing my mind
for a second because I've read these
DMs. So, I went back to check and I'm
right. I'm showing you the original
statements applied by Emmy to KP and
I've highlighted the word implied. But
if we scroll all the way down to her
updated statement, and I cannot [\h__\h]
believe this, it's gone. Emmy did make
this edit, but KP is paying so little
attention, she didn't even include it in
the final document for release. No
wonder those involved in this didn't
care about the fact that Emmy has no
evidence for the allegation she's
making. They don't even care about her
actual testimony. And don't worry
because this situation somehow becomes
more absurd cuz you'll remember Lio
advised KP that this was a matter for
the authorities and they would require
at the very least a police statement to
be filed if they were planning to run
this story. One of the things that got
sort of mentioned was Liar's involvement
and I was interested uh in how far that
involvement kind of went. Um, I mean
maybe you can speak to that. It doesn't
seem like Lio
is from what I have seen that involved.
He doesn't seem to have seen the video
before it came out. Um, I think Lio said
to me when he when asked about this
particular statement and this victim.
Um, his advice was don't run this. Um,
that seems to have been his
involvement and go to the police about
stuff. Is that unfair?
Um, I don't remember the don't run this,
but um, yeah, we did have a extensive
conversation where we recommended that
she go to the police and get a police
report first. Um, and she didn't want
the don't run. This was when I told you
you shouldn't put this in a video. Okay.
Because a police report wasn't filed.
That's what he's referring to. Okay.
Well, that's that that's why we released
it on Twitter first to um kind of have
it uh Well, I I don't I don't know if
that helps because that if anything
makes it worse, KP, because it looks
like you've gone, oh, we don't have a
police report, but if this is gaining
traction on Twitter, then I can put it
in a video. A video you are already
making with a victim you are already
speaking to.
Um, I I don't really have a response to
that. Okay.
Um, it's like so so what I'm running up
against here is um there are going to be
multiple sort of views on this video.
Um, from everything from stupidity to
malice.
Um, I I don't know where I sit with that
at the moment. I'll be honest because
you know I know you you by your own
admission do not like this group of
people. You have a history with them.
you were handed stuff that was
um you you couldn't substantiate from
years ago and you know you use that to
make essentially rape by coercion
argument
um against somebody without even
speaking to Sabre about it.
Um I mean it's it's pretty [\h__\h] wild
frankly.
No, I I I get it.
Uh I I
um No, I was just stupid and I wanted to
She came to me. She like Bon already
knew I was making this video. It just
seemed like another victim testimony to
add like the Dia Games one.
Unsurprisingly, when we're dealing with
a community that just repeats things
they've heard over and over again until
they somehow become true, even when it
is once again lifer ruining
accusations, KP and others, and we're
about to get to those people, worked on
the assumption that once this was out on
Twitter, coverage of it was fair game.
But to be clear, in the DMs, KP is
scheduling this with Brony Fand. And the
statement itself even goes out early and
has to be removed. Despite how [\h__\h] up
all of this is, the level of
incompetence is unironically just
[\h__\h] hilarious. Predictably, once the
video had been released and the backlash
was in, these little rats started
fleeing the sinking ship. Vand's DMs
here are pretty interesting, but we'll
get to his section in a little bit.
However, one thing I want to point out
is this tweet from May 5th where Fandon
says, "I talked with her in call about
the problems. She told me she was
surprised by the reactions because her
team and the victim viewed it prior and
liked it. I did not realize at the time
that she was lying." Well, I can prove
that in this case at least KP wasn't
because Emmy did see the video and had a
positive reaction to it. Before we move
forward though, I do think it is
valuable that you hear something that
isn't just my opinion or KP's own
statements. And one person who's known
this group of people for a significant
period of time is Henry Saber Sparks
editor. Let's let's talk about KP and
your experiences with her.
Sure. How did you first get to meet
KP? Uh through the convention scene. So
going to different conventions
basically. she would either be a
panelist or a guest. She would show up
to these cons and even back in the early
days it was kind of um you know everyone
was trying to be friends together and
and you know establish relationships but
you would find that there were some
people that just you know you weren't
necessarily vibing with or that they
weren't on the same wavelength. So, uh,
KP was one of those individuals early on
to me that, um, I just got a sense of
entitlement and a sense of, you know,
her demeanor was very off-putting. So, a
lot of people kind of created this,
uh, you know, mindset like don't
necessarily include KP if she's trying
to wedge her way into panels and or, you
know, scenes on these uh, these
convention floors and stuff like that.
So yeah, I mean I have firsthand
experience of times where I've had to
kind of you know create that wall for
her to just say like don't try to you
know come into our space because you
know you have this sense that like you
know nepotism or not nepotism what is it
narcissism? Yeah like narcissism is uh
strong with her.
So yeah go ahead. Can you give me some
examples of some experiences you guys
have just had with KP over the years?
Because I know, you know, Sabre
mentioned their relationship in the
response and I think it would be helpful
for people to get that picture.
Yeah. So, uh well, a firsthand
experience would be uh so at uh
Equestria
LA 2017, we had a bad fanfic banfic
reading panel. KP showed up. She was
sitting in the front row kind of
heckling us the whole time saying, "Hey,
let me go up on stage, you know, just
trying to kind of wedge her way into
this thing where we had to, you know,
get prior approval to get this panel
approved." We had the people who are
panelists on that panel, um, she has
done this many times where it it's kind
of, you know, she thinks she knows best
or that she should be included and tries
to wedge her way in. um other
experiences that you know I wasn't
necessarily firsthand for uh she was at
Ciderfest uh and a artist named Jen
Blake had a booth in the vendor hall. uh
KP, you know, trying to talk to Jen, uh,
positions herself kind of behind the
vendor table. And as Jen is taking on
commissions and, you know, interacting
with guests who are there for her, uh,
KP wedges herself in and says, you know,
oh, I'd be willing to, you know, take
some commissions, you know, if you guys
want from me. And kind of almost like
trying to funnel business away from the
actual comic artist that works on IDW's,
you know, MLP comics. And I could tell
that Jen was very uncomfortable about
the whole situation and kind of made it
clear that, you know, KP was not welcome
to be there anymore. Um because like
yeah, she just didn't have like this
concept of what she was doing was wrong.
Um and she has many instances of that.
Uh I mean I can even point to another
one where it's more of a private thing.
So it's not necessarily something where
I'm going to say I had firsthand
experience, but I heard the story. Uh,
so she moved to California and um, who
was it? Rachel Bloom was having a like
show within uh, LA and she's a
well-known individual kind of, you know,
has
a awards and history, you know, and I
can see the appeal of wanting to go to
say like a Rachel Bloom show. She's a
fan. Um, the problem was is that KP kept
telling people that she had an inn or
like some sort of connection to, you
know, talk to Rachel Bloom and she
really wanted to go to the show to kind
of hand over her portfolio and see if
they could work together on stuff. Well,
she lied about that. She she never
actually had like a connection with
Rachel Bloom. She just knew that the
show was going to happen and she was
going to kind of more or less spring it
on her at the end and just like wait
outside the stage door to give her
things. But when people, you know, asked
her, "Hey, how do you have a connection
with this? Like, how did you, you know,
broker this deal?" Um, you know, she's
lying the whole time saying, "Oh, well,
you know, I just I have a way to, you
know, get to her and talk to her about
this stuff, and I just want to see if
she wants to work on this project, you
know, a video project." And yeah, it's
just it's example after example. Um,
Casey and I, well, mainly Casey tried
really hard when she first moved to LA
to be a mentor for her. I had already
had my prior experience with her, so I
was already I had written her off kind
of as I'll believe it when I see it.
Like her attitude changed and her her
demeanor changed. Um, but when she moved
to LA, she was very much in the mindset
of, hey, I want to kind of like, you
know, start over. I want to, you know,
be better. Uh, so Casey offered to be
her mentor and pointed out many times
where it was like, hey, you can't kind
of act this way towards people. You need
to also be mindful that, you know, if
people don't want to be friends with
you, you don't have that uh right to
say, you know, you need to be friends
with me. Um, the narcissism part, you
know, rearing his head. I would just say
that KP yeah had a many examples of um
another individual who she had beef with
was uh AC race best.
He he basically said I don't want to be
friends with you long time ago. Uh I
think Casey, you know, suggested that KP
reach out and try to get to the bottom
of why they never could be friends. He
gave her a, you know, a detailed
response as to why his reasons and she
lashed out. She basically started
cursing him out, sending him a long
message. I'm sure there is a chat log
out there that could actually be uh
presented for that, but it just it goes
to show that she definitely has had both
a uh a beef with Steven and other
individuals who haven't kind of in her
mind lifted her up with them. You know,
they became successful and she saw it as
why not me. uh you know her her content
in the community as a whole was kind of
lackluster or like you know it it got
views but as soon as you know she kind
of wanted to shift away from that she
couldn't pivot in a way where her
content was thriving so I think she very
much internalized a lot of this like why
is it that Steven was able to do that
with Saber Spark why is it that other
individuals are able to make their
livelihood you know work for them so
yeah those are just some of the examples
firstly you wanted to add correction for
Henry uh for the uh race best story. Oh
yeah. Um I never advised Rachel to
contact Jeffree at all.
Um I talked to her after she had lashed
out and I was not happy with her and I
told her as much.
This is all very just disappointing and
sad for me personally. So, I'm sorry if
I sigh quite a
bit. I I pointed out that her they they
have very little in common other than
liking one TV show in the whole world
and what is her deal with wanting to be
friends with this one guy. And she
didn't have a very good answer for me.
She she struggled with that. She
literally stammered to the point where I
don't actually remember what she said.
It wasn't very
substantial. But no, I did not tell her
to reach out to Jeff. Um, he told me
that she lashed out and you could
probably tell the story of how
frustrated I was with her because I went
to bat for Rachel. And I had I had told
people that moving to LA had caused her
to grow and mature as a person. It it is
difficult. The entertainment industry is
difficult. Let's be real. And she was
trying. And I thought maybe it would
have given her some life perspective
that she had lacked before. And then she
went and made me out to be a liar. And I
was super not happy with her about that.
Like that's this is I I mean is it fair
to say that this is the end of any
industry contact she had left that
essentially it's destroyed any remaining
friendship she
had.
That's as far as my sphere that's pretty
accurate. I I know that people that I
know know that if I say something, I
mean it. And I did tell everyone. I
posted the link to my Twitter and I
said, "This is my stance. I just want
all of you to know." And I already knew
that a lot of our mutuals had put her on
the information
diet. So
like, did this do it? I don't think so.
She was She had already dug the grave.
This is just the last pile of dirt. As
far as industry contexts, what did she
have? Before we move forward, I want to
add a little disclaimer here because
we're going to talk about the other
people who were involved in this. And I
don't want this to come across as some
sort of exoneration of KP and Courtney.
It's just that there are other people
involved with blood on their hands.
Since the video came out, a lot of
people have been trying to use them as
scapegoats,
understandably, but realistically
speaking, many of these people should
not be feeling particularly smug right
now. There are obviously levels of blame
to go around, but one particular group,
and where we're going to start, is
people who have also run allegations fed
to them by Brony Fandone. Because
realistically, they've done exactly the
same thing as KP did. They've just been
lucky about it. And this little group
can be perfectly encapsulated through
one particular YouTuber, Lazy Bed Head.
The reason we're starting here of all
places is because on levels of
culpability, just believing a document
that's handed to you is something that
generally speaking a lot of YouTubers
do. Trusting that the vetting has
already been done for them. In fact,
this is KP's defense for why she [\h__\h]
this up. She believed that Brony found
and Amy had already vetted Emily. Now,
is this incredibly dumb? Of course it
is. But my annoyance comes from the fact
that it's shockingly common in this
story. Pinky and would ask Pinky if she
liked a picture of his penis. Destiny
would straight up delete the Twitter
account associated with this interaction
and wouldn't rediscover Black Griffin
until years later when he voiced
Alistister in the Hasb Hotel pilot.
Destiny also addressed the creators of
Billy Bustup, which we can discuss
later. Now, since this was when Destiny
was 13 years old, hindsight is 2020, so
none of the chats or this dickpick was
ever documented or screenshots taken.
So, for now, these are just allegations
from memory. Although I do think this
testimony coming forward does sort of
confirm the sneaking suspicion that
people have had about Gabe for years up
until this point. Source from Courtney
Pete's own video, she interviews two
individuals who have been a part of the
Brony community and convention spaces
for years. Even they have testified that
con staff and community members had
speculated of Gabriel's grooming
relationship with Claire for decades.
Now, this requires us to talk a little
bit about the Black Griffin allegations.
I don't want to go too deep here because
it is a hell of a rabbit hole. So, we're
going to focus on the Destiny
allegations in particular. To give you a
TLDDR, Destiny claims that in 2012, she
interacted with Gabe and during those
interactions, while she was a minor,
Gabe would flirt with her and also
offered her a dickpick. Much like the
allegations against Saber Spark, there
is no evidence for this. And even in the
document, it is noted that it can't have
been in 2012 because Twitter didn't even
add the function to send pictures in DMs
until December of 2013. And yet, Lazy
Bed Head uses the fact the allegations
even exist in the first place to try and
label Black Griffin a predator. And I'd
like you to keep in mind here that Fando
themselves admits that they don't have
proof behind the Destiny allegations. In
fact, they were using those allegations
in an attempt to gayop and blackmail
Black Griffin. When that didn't work,
they released them anyway. And yes, I
can already hear the scratching in my
comments section, but Beckett, Black
Griffin is a well doumented groomer. I'm
not saying that Black Griffin isn't a
groomer. I don't know. Certainly, some
of his interactions are pretty [\h__\h]
weird, particularly the Deviant Tart
posts.
But when we look through allegations
like this, you need to have some kind of
smoking gun. I showed you screenshots
earlier of Grizzly the medic. In that
instance, you have Grizzly, a security
guard at Bronycon who tried to get a
12-year-old to come up to their hotel
room in DMs acknowledging someone's age
and continuing to have explicit
conversations with them in their DMs.
While Gabe is weird, very, very weird.
This has apparently been going on for a
decade and no one has a smoking gun. And
to be clear, this isn't just internet
stuff. Projects that Black Griffin and
his wife have worked on are targeted.
There is a massive public campaign to
have this guy removed from any project
that associates with him. All of which
is based on the schizophrenic ramblings
of FanDon't. Now, originally, this
section was much longer and way more
pissed off. I actually included Anthony
Grimolia giving a defense of Lazy Bed
Head just to provide some kind of
balance, but I have since spoken to her
at length both about the Saber Spark
allegations and the wider story
involving Black Griffin. And as much of
this section was directed pointedly
towards her, that feels a little bit
redundant at this point. However, just
because I've spoken to Lazy doesn't mean
I don't have massive criticisms for this
video. So, I just want to run over them
in a slightly calmer, more chilled out
tone. One of my major issues, in fact,
probably my main issue with this story
is the fact that nobody really vetted or
checked anybody before running things.
For example, Courtney Pete and by
extension Lazy Bedhead used Sophie
Scruggs as an expert on this community,
but Scrugs is not a passive observer.
We'll get to her section later, but all
you need to know for the moment is Brony
Fandone is not just one person. Sophie
Scruggs has access to that account and
has regularly posted from it. The reason
this is all missed is because the
information Lazy Bedhead has on Brony
Fandone largely comes from the Gabe
defense documents. While Lazy Bedhead,
to her credit, does condemn this
information because Fand is a complete
freak. She does post this updated pinned
comment stating that Fandon has largely
moved on from these opinions they held
when they were a minor. Lazy would
explain to me that she posted and pinned
this comment due to the fact she was
getting push back from Fandone defenders
and she largely just wanted them to shut
the [\h__\h] up. But to be clear, Fandone
has continued to defend his consumption
of pornography depicting underage furry
characters. In March of this year,
Fandone would post an incredibly long
skitso thread about their history with
the community at the end of which he
includes these comments. If no one is
hurt, then it isn't an issue. I can't
hurt Noel and it doesn't represent me or
how I am with minors. If anything, it
stems from my own situation when I was a
minor. Psychology is complicated. I know
what's in my brain. I know I have no
attraction to children or animals. Noel
is neither to me in my head. An issue
here is simply that Lazy doesn't use
Twitter and therefore never caught this.
This lack of vetting isn't just me
bitching about standards. It has quite
serious implications for these wider
stories. Fanote, whether you like it or
not, is at the center of these
allegations. His documents are the main
sources of them. And when it comes to
Saber Spark, he has been pushing to find
something on Saber Spark once again for
years. If the allegations against Black
Griffin are true, Van's involvement is a
major disservice to any victims
involved. Because now all that is really
required to deflect these allegations is
to point to the crazy [\h__\h] who's
been the driving force behind them. Some
people might say that this position is
dismissive. But you have to keep in mind
in a story like this where there is no
evidence for anything. Your currency is
credibility. The vast bulk of the
evidence quote unquote against these
people is bollocks. It simply doesn't
hold up to any reasonable level of
scrutiny. All of this is made worse by
the fact that you're not asking me or
anybody else to trust the victims.
You're asking us to trust people like
Courtney Pete, KP, Brony Fandone, and
Sophie Scruggs. All of whom exist on a
spectrum somewhere between incredibly
[\h__\h] stupid and deeply malicious. In
the conclusion of her video, Lazy Bed
Head says that she doesn't actually like
making videos like this. Part of the
reason being that creators are waiting
for the next big expose for views and
clicks and likes. And despite
everything, I do kind of believe her. I
don't view Lazy as actually malicious.
And part of the reason for that is
Anthony. Because as he points out the
nuances, I realized what really annoyed
me about this video is the fact that she
takes the Destiny allegations and the
allegations from another unnamed
13-year-old, claiming that Gabe also
offered to send her a dickpick, again
with no evidence for this, and treats
them as gospel. She says that this is
evidence that Gabe is a groomer. shows
us who he is. I don't think she'd be
dumb enough to do that unless she
genuinely believed that to be the case.
So, for all my criticisms of this video,
again, I don't think she's just
maliciously going after these people.
However, that question of malice is a
very interesting one. And while many
people, I think fairly, believe that
KP's primary motivation comes from her
petty grudges that she's been clinging
on to for over a decade, this feels like
a nice segue onto the other group of
people who seem to have realized that KP
is so blinded by her own insane biases
that she presented the perfect vector to
litigate their own petty
grievances. Let's talk about this
elusive Amy kn. When I first introduced
her to you, I said she was just
somebody's wife. And while that sounds
flippant, it's actually a very good
description because Amy's claim to fame
is being married to Peteru, the voice of
Big
Macintosh. For those of you who have no
idea who or what that is, I deeply envy
you. But he's basically a main secondary
character from MLP. So, if you're
wondering why Amy scuttled away so
quickly, it's probably because being
involved in leveling unsubstantiated
rape allegations against somebody might
not be the best look publicly, but Amy
has known and been involved with this
group of people for over a decade. And
while I'm not quite clear on the
mechanics of how this worked, she was
certainly one of the people handing over
Emily to KP for this expose. Now, I
didn't reach out to Amy personally, but
Angry Slug did, and I was quite
interested in what she had to say, so I
asked Slug for a copy of those DMs. Now,
there's nothing in here that's
particularly interesting, but it does
confirm her involvement and the fact
that she is very much trying to push the
blame onto KP. And from the DMs with
Fandone, it seems very clear that they
were also very much in contact. You'll
also see later that Amy and Sophie
Scrugs seem to have a pretty good
relationship. So, the idea that she was
just a passive bystander concerned for
her friend is absurd. As a final late
edition, right before publication, I was
made aware of one other bit of
correspondence with Amy because Mr.
enter would also reach out to Amy and
she'd give the statement that she found
out about this on the 25th of March,
which would mean timelinewise Amy was
told about this immediately gave the
information to Fandote, who immediately
passed it on to KP. Now, this is all a
little bit weird for a couple of
reasons. Firstly, Amy would come out in
support of the statement from Emmy on
Twitter, saying that they've been
friends for over a decade and that she
was at Canterlot Gardens confirming that
she had seen Emmy and Saber Spark
together. The statement of I have
nothing to gain from this. I just want
my friend to be believed is also
complete insanity considering Amy's
wider involvement in this. Once again,
to say nothing of the validity of
Emily's accusations, Amy presents
herself like she's not involved and knew
nothing about this before publication.
Or alternatively, this could also be
read as though it was a rumor that had
been going around for years that was
finally being outed. And I'm sure some
version of the truth exists within all
this obfiscation, but these people are
just so [\h__\h] manipulative. One thing
about this story which I find pretty
amusing though overall quite frustrating
is that the side that's so concerned
about transparency have all refused to
speak to anyone the minute things got
difficult for them. Now this presents a
bit of a problem. I don't know people
like Amy. All I've got to go on is
fragments of information. But to be
clear, just because they won't speak to
me doesn't mean nobody did. And thanks
to the excellent work of Opblock, after
his response video, I was put in touch
with Saber Spark. Now, that conversation
I had with Saber Spark is unfortunately
off the record. He doesn't feel
comfortable at the moment coming out and
making random public statements. And
I'll be honest, I do respect that
decision. However, I still need to know
about these people. And from the other
side, I accept the criticism of it would
be nice to hear from people. So, please
allow me to solve that problem for you
because I sat down to have a
conversation with the voice actress of
Sweetie Bell from My Little Pony, the
wife of Black Griffin, Cla. Let's go.
Let's go in levels. Uh, can we start
with Amy New? Yeah. Huh. Yeah.
Uh, can you tell me about Amy new and
why she is in why the wife of the Voy
actor for Big Macintosh is somehow
involved in attacking your sort of I
guess circle.
Um, all right. I will tell you all the
things that I know about her. Um, I
know I'm like I don't know. I'm hesitant
to say things, but at the same time, I
feel like I've been
so polite and nice for so long that I
just I think I don't feel like being
polite and nice anymore. So, there
there's my grain of salt before I say
what I'm going to say.
Um, I don't know where the switch was
with Amy. Um, I don't know if my own
father has talked to either of them, but
I do know that my dad has reached out to
people that I've worked with and warned
them about me when I had told my parents
that, you know, I was I was in a
relationship um with Gabe. And um this
is when I was almost 20.
Um, I don't know when the swap or switch
was for Amy. Um, I had met her a few
times before I knew she was married
um to Peter New. I
think I I can't remember a whole
lot about her. Um, but I I don't know. I
don't know. She's like kind of mixed up
in the fan world and she came first as a
fan from to my knowledge. She was a fan
first and then she just kind of started
dating Peter and I was like, "Oh, that's
interesting."
and um
she yeah was kind of like a fan of My
Little Pony and a fan of Peter and then
started dating and I was like, "Oh,
okay." And you know, I didn't really
think much of it at the time. I didn't
really care as an adult looking back on
that
situation. Oh, I also know that I I'm
pretty sure that Amy has like publicly
stated before at some point that she was
just like really concerned for me
because she had kind of alluded to I was
a a grooming victim and I didn't know
and I was smart and I was, you know, in
love and I knew what that was like and I
just feel really bad for her. And I'm
like, why do people freaking keep saying
this about me? like I'm some idiot that
and this is the thing too like even if I
can if I get frustrated about it people
are like oh I understand that you're so
angry like you're a very like you know
it doesn't mean that you're stupid you
can be a smart person and get in a
situation like that I'm like yeah and I
freaking know what that's like because
that was my family situation and I hate
it when people say that to me as if I
don't know what that's like and one day
I'll figure it out one day I'll figure
out that I've been groomed. And I'm
sitting here
like, nobody knows that I've basically
already been through this. You know, we
talk about people talk about grooming in
this nonsexual way, which is so funny
cuz I'm like, why the freak would I be
groomed nonsexually into a marriage?
What's the marriage for? Shaking hands?
Like, what the hell? It just doesn't
make any sense. But I and I hesitate to
use the word groomed just because I hate
it so much at this point. But I have had
a lot of conditioning for other things
in my life that once I became 18 and
realized and gave myself some authority
in my own life, oh, I'm not going to do
this just because this person says so,
just because this person is in my family
and is telling me blah blah blah,
doesn't mean that I have to do that
anymore. And
so anyway, to make a a long story
short, there
are I think it's really funny that Amy
is somebody who is saying this kind of
stuff. She wouldn't know. She wouldn't
know. Started off very I feel bad for
her vibes and then immediately went to
I'm blocking you. You're a danger. you
know, and I'm paraphrasing here, but
that is the the the vibe that is being
directed towards me now. And I think
that's also really funny considering
Peter New is somebody who has said
inappropriate things
about girls who are underage. And that
is just laughable to me. And I feel like
every single person who is the most like
loudly outspoken people about this
situation are people who've got their
own weird freaking skeletons. And I just
sit here and I'm like, surely people
can't believe this. Surely people have a
brain. But apparently not because now
we're in the situation that we're in
now. And it just it it boggles my mind
and it just makes me roll my eyes quite
frankly. Talking with Clare was pretty
illuminating. I can almost understand
why no one's been interested in hearing
her side in all this because it must be
pretty bloody difficult to run a story
about somebody being a groomer when
their primary victim quote unquote won't
go along with your
narrative. But when you start picking
apart the eccentricities of these
relationships, it becomes a hell of a
lot harder to treat the people leveling
these accusations as just passive
observers concerned for victims. No
wonder so many people want to remain
anonymous. They're not just random
people from the internet. They're people
with large public profiles in the
community. I was astonished to find that
people had either outright ignored CLA's
public statements on the situation or
actively attacked her as somehow
complicit. This is also the case for
Michelle, who played Apple Bloom on the
show, whose long-term friendship with
Gabe is the origin point of these
rumors. And once again, because I can
hear that scratching, I don't know the
truth behind the Black Griffin
allegations, and neither do you. But
when I said earlier that many people do
not care about victims in this story,
this is what I mean. Because
hypothetically, let's say this mob is
correct about Black Griffin. That would
mean his two primary victims, quote
unquote, have been relentlessly attacked
alongside him. And the reason for this
is obvious. The people leveling these
accusations don't care about victims.
Their motivations are entirely
self-interested. Which brings us rather
nicely to Sophie Scrugs. Because, as I
mentioned before, Brony fandom isn't a
one-man band. The other half of this
little duo has seemingly been pushing
these allegations longer than Bonk has.
And in her case, it's almost more
bizarre because she's not a random
member of this community. She was an
official artist for the My Little Pony
comics. Um, my name is Sophie Scruggs.
That's S O P H I E A S C R U G G-S if
you want to look me up on Twitter.
Sophie A. Scrugs. I do know that she
kind of spearheaded a lot of the
allegations towards Gabe. um and worked
with you know Brony Fandone whatever um
to kind of you know create this wall of
uh saying like we're the we're the ones
holding you know this together this this
case and trying to bring the information
to the light and you know she's trying
to say like you know we need to do this
it's like a crusade um I mean it's even
in her banner or her title for her
Twitter like I believe Destiny you know
she's very much involved even though she
likes to have this idea that she's like,
I'm not involved. You know, my opinion,
me speaking on that is I think it's
pretty messed up of Sophie to let a
mentally ill person take the fall for
her crusade. Sophie has been obsessed
with the Black Griffin story for so
long, it is actually difficult to find
an origin point of how this all began.
But I have heard a couple of theories.
The first is some nondescript traumatic
event. They also straight up use
Sophie's trauma and mental illness to
discredit them. Sophie seems to be
suffering a lot from her own trauma,
which must be incredibly tough to deal
with. But she often spreads
misinformation, even if unintentional.
And far from how this is being painted
by Lazy, this is Sophie's own
explanation for her behavior. However,
if it helps, I actually don't believe
this is true. I think the explanation is
far more simple. Sophie was massively
jealous of Gabe. And again, that seems
to be shockingly common. Black Griffin
moved from being a fan of the show to
working on it. And this crops up again
and again. A former con chair told me
that the reason why Gabe was always at
stuff as a special guest is
um if you wanted to
invite for Apple Bloom, um Mo'Nique
would basically require to also invite
Gabe. they would quote unquote throw him
in for free. See what I mean? Like the
mother keeps pushing the two of them
together. Why?
Yeah. And uh so it basically like they
would in order to have her, for example,
if you wanted all of the cutie mark
crusaders, you have to have Gabe
basically.
Um, and that's kind of how he
ingratiated himself into the guest of
honor spot. Even though he didn't really
do a whole lot to earn a guest of honor
spot, he did some background vocals on a
few episodes and that's it. And to
clarify too, um, so how it worked in the
pony um, uh, convention scene, I guess,
if you want to call it, is there the
guests of honor who were specifically
sto so show staff? So like, you know,
voice actors, you know, directors, etc.,
etc. And then there'd be people like me
and Sophie and um people that were just
active in the fandom space that were
called community guests. And Gabe was
usually the only exception to that for
whatever reason. And and that was the
reason. Clips like this are mindbending.
You literally start the conversation by
explaining how he moved to doing
background vocals on the show, therefore
meeting the criteria of guest of honor
and then lament that he didn't really
earn it. And these [\h__\h] people are
still bitching about this in current
day. When Momocon heard about KP making
the DA Games video, they removed her
from the guest list. KP would then cry
about this to Bonk, asking him whether
he could get people to vouch for her so
she could get back in. And isn't it
interesting that all these stories are
unattributable to random former
conchairs? It's all somebody told me or
I heard this once. But realistically,
that's all it ever can be because people
like Sophie and KP weren't really on the
inside of any of these groups. KP
basically survived off the kindness of
Henry's now wife, Casey. And while
Sophie was seemingly an official comic
artist, that's much less impressive than
it sounds. Sophie was basically treated
like any other vendor at any of these
conventions. And that seething
resentment for that core circle that
actually had some relevance to this
community means that Sophie's interest
was not just Black Griffin. She was
fully aware of the allegations against
Sailor Spark and what was going on
behind the scenes. KP presented me a TSV
file for their conversations. This is
also the format KP used to provide me
her conversations with Casey, and Casey
has at least confirmed those logs are
accurate. However, I note this here
because whenever you're presented with
something that could have been edited
before it reached you, you should accept
that possibility. Before we move on from
Sophie, I want to just highlight one
section in Lazy's video, but also
claiming that they associate with people
who defend drawn child sexual abuse
material because that accusation of
association is not random. And I want
you to keep in mind the name Whoop
Master for when we get to Fand. But
before that, I mean, I think that moves
us on to sort of Sophie Scrugs and
Fandone. But why don't we start with
Scrugs because I'm uh baffled at their
involvement, frankly. Um I I don't
really understand it.
Okay, so here's all that I know about
Sophie and my history with her.
Um I I just these people I don't
understand. It's like this weird
parasocial
behavior that has rapidly moved. It's
like it's dancing on the borderline of
obsession because the moment somebody is
like knows a bunch of stuff about you,
looks up to you and and and I'm not
saying that to be arrogant. I'm saying
that because I've I've witnessed this
firsthand when people treat you
differently because you're a voice actor
on a show that literally outside of the
hotel the convention is held at, nobody
gives a rat's anus about. And it it is
it is so weird to me that and I'm using
this as a specific example and I
actually had to go back and research
this because I had forgot about it
because it meant nothing to me. Sorry,
Sophie. I'm not trying to be rude here,
but I don't remember that I complimented
your snail once. That was something that
I did in the moment because I was being
friendly and nice. And now somehow I'm
getting backstabbed because you decided
to tweet out to everybody years ago. The
last time you got frustrated that I was
in a relationship with Gabe before we
were married and we had announced that
we were dating, you said you were
worried for your dear friend, your close
friend Claire, me. And I'm sitting here
going, "Who the hell are you? Have I
even met you before?" Like, what the
freak? Then I have to go back and I find
out. Oh. Oh, thank God. I actually did
meet her. Okay, so she's not, you know,
totally crazy. But then I keep reading
this stuff and I'm like, "Oh my gosh,
this is literally it. I complimented
your snail one time and I think I might
have DM'd you about a bag that I saw at
a convention and you were at the
convention and you you know you had and
I walked through the vendor hall and I
was like, "Wow, you have really pretty
bags." Cuz I one of them had my
character on it and I was like, "That's
so cool. I think I might have taken a
picture of it." And then I was like,
"Hey, like you know, how do you sell
your bag?" I think I DM'd her of like,
"Hey, how do you sell your bags?" Like,
I might have wanted to retweet that or
promote that at some point,
right? And I and I find out that this
person is, first of all, has also been
kind of a a gay beher for a while, like
prior to me being involved in this
situation. Had had one
person one person tell her one thing
that was complete hearsay, because this
went around at conventions a lot. People
were really, I think, pissed that Gabe,
you know, had had found success quite
honestly. I think that's what it was.
And there was this
bubbling underlying level of of jealousy
basically that had kind of started
surfacing the more popular that Gabe had
got within the fandom. And I think now
because and and Saber Spark is another
one of those people who are ending up
finding
success further than outside of the pony
fandom, which nobody should freaking
care about anymore, by the way. It's
over. They're finding success. They're
moving on in their lives. They're
figuring out what they want to do with
their careers. How am I going to pivot?
How am I going to, you know, create
contact? What is what is it going to
look like now?
And as they do that and they find
success, these freaking bronies, and I
hate to use that as an umbrella term
because I know that there are plenty of
bronies who are out there that are very
cool and very sweet, very nerdy, nice
people who just, you know, want to have
a community and want to make friends,
but there there's also like very
clearly, and I don't think this was
always there, by the way. I think that
it developed over the years this like
weird like sexual part of the fandom,
but before that it was just like it was
memes and like, oh, we shouldn't be
watching this show cuz it's like for
little girls. Haha, that's kind of
funny. And that's how a lot of these
people fell into it. That's how Aber
fell into it. That's how Gabe fell into
it. That's how Jeff fell into it. Like
all these people, that's how it started.
And then they got a little bit popular
cuz they had, you know, content that
they were making that people really
liked. And then they moved on. And
people are somehow so freaking pissed.
And Sophie being one of these people who
keeps saying things, by the way, make up
your freaking mind. Sophie, is Gabriel
successful outside of the pony fandom or
has he reached his peak already? Because
you've said both. And you can't just
pick and choose when you want to use
that as a as a punching bag for some I
don't know the end of some point you're
trying to make. It doesn't make any
sense. He's either successful or he's a
hasb been. Which one is it? Come back to
me and freaking figure it out. But
anyway, I've learned my lesson. I'm not
going to compliment people on their
snails anymore for fear that seven years
down the road when I become an adult
that they're going to attack me after
I've stood up for myself and said, "Hey,
what you're saying is not true about me.
And by the way, I'm not a close friend
of yours. I don't know who you are."
About an hour and a half ago, I said to
you that I didn't want to originally
look at this story because I was aware
of its connection to the wider Black
Griffin allegations. And over the past
week or so of looking at this, I
realized that I was wrong. This isn't
just connected to the Black Griffin
allegations. This is the Black Griffin
allegations. It's just the next
iteration of it because the people going
after Saber Spark right now are doing so
purely because he is friends with Black
Griffin. And their motivation isn't
whether Saber Spark is innocent or
guilty. Their motivation is finding
anything they can to stab into any
member of this group in their endless
crusade against them. If I'm not
mistaken, she did come to you, right?
Brony Fand dot was aware of her because
Amy had told her about him or told Yeah.
Um him but I'm saying I'm saying that
like that person came to you though. You
didn't seek them out. It was the other
way around. Yeah. She used Amy. Yeah.
Okay. So that tells me she was aware
enough to know about your biases and
save her spark and just wanted to
utilize that. Brony Fand is an absolute
freak and I imagine that is painfully
obvious to anyone with even a passing
knowledge of this drama. But don't
worry, the well runs deep with this one.
Their history in this community is
pretty bizarre. They actually started
off running a role-play account of all
things. Earlier on, I mentioned their
schizophrenic thread from March, and
good lord does this contain some weird
lore about them. Allow me to save you
some time reading it and just provide
you a simple TLDDR. Fandon is a
narcissistic lunatic whose greatest
achievement in life is role- playinging
as the character Discord, something that
essentially occurred accidentally
through a meme account connected to
their main character. Now, Fande would
describe this as accidentally laying the
groundwork to be the most powerful
character ever, describing this as a
trial by fire because with great power
comes great responsibility. After all,
guys, they were still barely a team.
They keep talking about how they were
getting bigger and bigger roles, how
shocking it was that they had fans
they'd meet at conventions. And I'm
going to stop here because this is
fantasy. I have yet to run into anybody.
And yes, I have tried who was even aware
of this person before they started going
after Black Griffin. Brony Fan don't
existed in a very very niche part of
this community. And sure, I get it. If
you're a massive loser and you've got a
few hundred people paying attention to
your weird meme Twitter account, that
might mean something to you. But this
was Fandon's life. He had nothing else.
And then suddenly the lockdown started
to happen. For it was not apathy that
killed the bronies. It was a global
pandemic. Obviously, the vast majority
of the fan base had already moved on
from the show, but cons were still
happening, and these seemed to be the
only interactions Fandon had with people
in the real world. This is obviously
just a theory for me, but timelinewise,
I really do think that this is the point
where Fandon went from a bit weird to
completely [\h__\h] insane. I sound like
I'm being mean, but this is actually the
only defense for Fand. And it also might
answer the question of why he was
utilized at all because right now we can
see Sophie and Amy lying through their
[\h__\h] teeth about how neither of them
thought this was a good idea and Emily
was just a bit too erratic. Ladies, your
names are all over this. My advice to
you would be to shut the [\h__\h] up. Yet, I
get it. Fandone in this story is by far
the worst actor. So, when throwing KP to
the wolves wasn't quite enough, I guess
he has to go as well. Though, as always,
I am just happy to help. So, let's start
with the friend of all three of these
people,
Wootmaster. Wootmaster, also known as
Ezekiel the Zebra, is an artist with a
long history of controversy. They
actually have some history with Senate,
but our focus here is their pornographic
material because Wootmaster shares
similar interest to Brony Fand.
Obviously, I don't want to flashbang you
with this stuff. I'm not a complete
[\h__\h] amateur. Fortunately, I don't
have to, though, because if you want to
know what sort of person Woot is, their
other major controversy involves their
partner, who was a pedophile personally
banned by Elon Musk. Woot's history is
shockingly wellknown, and Fandone is
constantly bringing them up, even in the
DMs with KP. The reason I raise this is
a to show you what sort of person Fand
is, but secondly because it is no
coincidence that Fandon is so keen to go
after Saber Spark cuz Sabre has fought
with Woot publicly on Twitter. I'm
honestly not sure quite how to square
the circle between somebody who spends
their entire life at the moment trying
to out somebody as a groomer while also
simultaneously defending their friend
who either was or is dating a pedophile.
all under a backdrop of this bizarre
pornography. And it is interesting,
right, that Brony Fandone seems to start
going after Cla, the voice actress for
Sweetie Bell, the minute she gets into a
relationship. It's almost as if this
adult woman publicly dating somebody
else ruin Fandon's fantasies. And no,
I'm not going to show it to you, but
Wootmaster did at one point seemingly
either draw or retweet pornographic
images of Sweetie Bell. Fandon's crusade
against Gabe has been longunning. But
most interestingly about it is how he
has treated Clare because she went from
his primary concern to his mortal enemy.
Even going so far as to deny any abuse
she may have suffered from her father.
For those not in the know, Clare has
been very vocal about having a troubled
home life. Much of which seems to be
dismissed by people who were a fan of
her father as he is the Canadian voice
actor for Goku. When all this stuff with
Fando started, Clare just thought it was
a dad because he has a history of making
fake accounts to basically stalk her and
her now husband. There's evidence of him
admitting this to her in a recording.
Now, many people haven't heard this.
It's part of one of the Gabe defense
documents and a little bit difficult to
access. So, with permission, I'm just
going to play it for you. One thing I
would like to say, if you want to talk
about Twitter and
lying, do you have something to say for
yourself, Janice? Absolutely. Yeah. I I
formed a Twitter handle that uh because
I didn't think it was appropriate for
your
your to go, "What a croc of [\h__\h] that
is, Gabe." In case that hurts your
career if you do it on your Twitter
account. Oh, no, no, no, no. Just
because it's kind of human. That's all.
And I completely admit cyber bullying is
human. I completely admit to it. Really?
But you never told me. Why would I tell
you? You blocked me on Twitter.
Big deal. So you didn't want to see me,
but you you'll tell me. I'll I'm telling
you right now. I'm not Why did you block
me on Twitter? I'm not What do you mean
block? Janice
blocked on Twitter. Fine. Do you want me
I can unblock you and I You know what?
Now that it's all in the open, I'll I'll
really do it because I think about this.
I think I think that people No, mom
knows nothing about this. I think that
people
that need to be called out when they're
full of it. And frankly, there's a huge
component of his followers that go,
"What the hell are you tweeting for at 3
in the morning for?" That is very common
for him. So, I don't know why I'm well
aware of that. It's not like It's not
like he's on tour in, you know, in Ario
Speedwagon and they're playing gigs till
2 a.m. He's doing nothing. You are
trying to
sabotage him and his career and
everything about
him. And that is the way you're going
about it instead of talking and you're
you're you're swooing your freaking way
around every other possibility that
could get you
and his his extra Twitter account said
which you deny. I did not deny it. Yeah.
Gabe sent you a DM said quit. I know
what this is about. And you were like oh
just another hater. That's not denying
anything. I am a hater.
Come
back. First of
all, quarantine in your [\h__\h] room.
Bye. I have one more thing to say.
What do you have now? Why is that? What
is all this [\h__\h] Oh, I'm going to
go into family therapy like this. You
said family therapy. [\h__\h] You liar.
[\h__\h]
liar.
I know you're going to try to equate me.
[\h__\h] off. Whatever you think about the
Black Griffin allegations, people are
just denying this happened to her
because it doesn't fit with their
narrative. And if you're somebody who
claims to care about victims, this seems
like a pretty callous and uncaring thing
to do. And it has served to silence
these people because why would they
speak out? In fact, Black Griffin
offered to speak to me. And I realized
that was a pointless endeavor and a
waste of my time and his because
whatever he said, none of his detractors
will believe him. A significant portion
of the conversations I have had with
Michelle and Clare are in reference to
these allegations, but on reviewing it,
I realized putting it in may be
completely pointless. What I will say is
both of them have spoken plainly and
openly to me about these accusations.
That being said, I do think there is one
particular use for these conversations
because one thing they serve to
highlight is the insane level of a
logging these people have been subjected
to over the years. We're talking
anything public about these people. It's
been trolled through and picked apart by
this lunatic to find anything damaging.
And I want to show you that through the
perspective of Michelle with Gabe and
Claire. The irony is we've calculated
now that Gabe and Claire met outside of
conventions roughly six to seven times
and we've gone through all of our
photos, all of our videos like
collectively to calculate accurately how
many times it would have been when she
was a minor outside of like conventions
and it still would have us like that's
that's including like video shoots. It
just happens to be that literally five
out of seven of those times were filmed.
It was it like so it to these people it
looks like so much. It was like those
were literally the only times they
interacted and then maybe the other two
times were my two birthdays. You know
what I mean? Like it's just so the irony
is crazy cuz it's like those were
literally the only times they saw each
other. Oh and one other time we saw like
Book of Mormon and I don't think we
filmed any videos there but we like
posted a picture. So it's literally all
these times they're finding those are
the only examples like no more exist
essentially. I don't understand how pe
it's the people who are taking this way
too seriously that get so wrapped up in
this and they're like, "Look at here.
They're by themselves." And I'm like,
"No, we're not. We're with another
person. They're right freaking there."
And they just take screenshots of which
I think is so funny. The fact that
they're like screenshots from videos
that I made and someone's like, "Please
send this to Claire. We can still get
her out. There's still time. I'm like,
why is your goal that you want me to get
divorced? Or is it a step further? Do
you want me to freaking marry you?
Because that's creepy. You know why?
Because unlike Gabriel, you guys have
been obsessed with me since I was 13. So
maybe think about that the next time you
look at yourself in the freaking mirror.
Jeez. So, one of the things that people,
you know, claim is an inaccuracy that
that counters reality of how many times,
you know, Gabe and Claire spent together
and how close friends they were. Was
Gabe saying we weren't friends? I know
Gab's definition of friends. I know he
would not have considered Clare a friend
because he would consider somebody a
friend that he had, you know, con like
contact with, phone number. He only had
Cla's phone
number, I don't know, some point like
2017ish because one of her parents gave
him or no, one of her parents gave Cla
Gab's number and that actually made Gabe
really uncomfortable. And I was there
when he first received a text from her
and he was like, "Oh god, why did they
give Claire my number? I don't want her
to have my number." There were other
people are in the room too, so I'm not
even the only witness to that. But
um they again only we've calculated it
specifically they only spent six to
seven times
approximately together outside of
conventions and I think yeah five or so
of those times were filmed and there was
only one
instance during our
entire childhood minority period where
Gabe and Claire and I just the three of
of us were alone and it's that one video
of us going out into the woods and I
deleted it because I felt showing the
dead raccoons was inappropriate. I I
deleted it like 8 years ago cuz I just
thought it was kind of a gross video. Um
that's literally the only instance and
these people somehow like went I don't
even know how they found it and they
thought I deleted it because the
comments were inappropriate. It was
literally like a super popular video. I
deleted it because I just thought it was
gross. And I I've delet like I I don't
know. I unlisted a bunch of videos a
long time ago cuz I was just like I
don't know. We're just kind of like
being immature. Like I don't really like
I didn't like showing a pile of five
dead raccoons on my channel that just
wasn't professional. I was focusing on
my music. So I unlisted a bunch of those
videos I just thought weren't really I
wouldn't want people to like go back and
see now just for my own sake. Not
because I, you know, not because the
comments were like inappropriate of, oh,
you know, Gabe's taking two young girls
out in the woods. We were there for
probably an hour and it's 5 minutes away
from my house. And both of our sets of
parents would have approved it. And
literally every other time Claire and
Gabe would have ever seen each other
when Cla was a minor, parents and many
other adults would have been around.
Every single time. That's the one video
and they use that one single video that
I even deleted and they somehow found I
don't know how as proof that they spent
time alone. It's completely untrue.
Completely untrue. Now, to some of you,
this might feel like new information or
flies in the face of what you've been
told previously, but there's two things
I'd like you to keep in mind. Firstly,
that the people who are going after this
group are really dumb. One of the
questions I had actually uh generally is
there's so much focus on Cla being
married to Gabe, but these sort of I
don't know rumors or the way people
thought about the relationship started
with you. So, it's very interesting that
they've focused in on Cla people. They
seem to be going, well, we know this
person, we care about this person, we
want to save this person, and you who
were also involved kind of get
sidelined. And the fact that you barely
you don't really know them or have any
interactions with them is almost a bit
telling that but they're basically you I
mean they're strangers essentially
they're strangers. I I know nothing
about them. They know nothing about us,
you know. Um maybe Claire's interacted
with the specific people a couple more
times than me. It sounds she has more
specific memories. But yeah. No, I mean
it is uh it is interesting too like how
many examples and stuff that people have
sent me like screenshots where like they
mix us up too. like it'll be it'll be
some picture like 10 years ago or like
they think it's gay but it's actually
like me with my short hair and Claire
like just silly stuff like that. They
can't even tell us apart. It's
hysterical. And secondly, until we
reached out, no one has tried
interviewing these two women. And what
makes that particularly insane is not
the level of incompetence on display.
It's the fact that people like Amy New
have direct lines to them and never
thought to ask. Since these new rumors
have kicked up, we'll say, in the last
few years, or like the uh the
campaign against uh Black Griffin
started, have people tried to actually
approach you for your opinion on this or
actually cared what you think? Because
it appears with Cla, Cla's like, "No,
this isn't happening. That's not the way
any of this occurred. You're wrong." And
people have gone, "Well, of course she
thinks that. she's a victim and
protecting her husband and now she's
evil. Um, have you sort of experienced
similar stuff or does or have you just
been sort of sidelined?
And no one's ever asked us, you know, if
these people actually were concerned
that we were taken advantage of as
minors. They've never asked us. They
they claim to know us. They could have,
what do you do? Do you think you have
our phone number, our email? Like, you
know, we have peers in common. We have
colleagues in common. You really that
concerned about us? like it's it's
insulting.
It's we're we're 25-year-old adults and
frankly they don't have any idea how
young we had to become adults as well.
So you want to treat us like fully, you
know, professional people at the age of
13, paying taxes and like doing all this
stuff, having full careers for already,
you know, five plus years and yet we're
too immature to know our own
circumstances and our own past and
present. It's Yeah, it's
varied. I mean, again, if there weren't
all these
ramifications for Gab's career, none of
us would care at all. That's why none of
us have like talked about it for the
longest time because it's always just
garbage. You know, why it I'm not I'm
not going to be offended by something
someone says if I don't know them. You
know, I don't value your opinion. I I
don't I don't I don't know you.
So only now, I mean, this is probably
the honestly the last time I'm going to
talk about it is with you guys, cuz I I
appreciate that you're the first people
I've seen that are actually trying to
get to the bottom of this. Um, but we
all just want to move on. I mean, we're
we're digging up our lives from 10 plus
years ago because these people who have
never even met us claim to know what's
happened in our lives, but don't take
any weight in our perspective. After all
this time and effort spent silencing
people who were actually involved in
speaking for the potential victims of
Black Griffin, Brony Fando must have
been jumping for joy when Courtney Pete
was making a video and then Lazy
Bedhead. And then comes KP and
allegations against Sabre. Man, April
must have looked like a very good month
for Fandote. But then everything begins
to fall apart. Fand had wanted the
spotlight. He wanted attention. And when
he finally got it, well, that monkey paw
curled in a very particular way. So,
let's have a look at the fallout from
his side and um his interesting
reactions. We've already gone over much
of Fand's reactions to KP directly, but
it bears repeating that the first public
statement from the Fandone account came
from Sophie, not from Bonk. Bonk's
concern lay primarily in the fact that
he realized quite quickly that this
video might be damaging to the
accusations against Saber Spark and DA
Games. While he says that he doesn't
want to [\h__\h] on KP and just get people
to hate on her, it wouldn't take long
before the pressure really started to
get to him. Now, we're going to skip
ahead a bit to when things get
interesting around the 12th because as
things had been moving behind the
scenes, Bonk wasn't idle. He'd been
plotting with Emily to save the sinking
ship, becoming increasingly confident
that once KP was out of the way, he'd be
able to emerge the hero. This would all
come to a screeching halt, however, when
Saber Spark released his response. Sabre
again has denied these accusations, but
more importantly, the video isn't
addressed to Emily, focusing more
towards KP and Fan don't and their
devious little schemes. Van at this
point predictably panics saying the
response would be coming within the next
few hours. This response would not come.
Most hilariously he said that he was
documenting other people's responses
which further made him a complete
[\h__\h] laughingstock and this would
just be the beginning of what turned
into a god tier crash out. Fandome would
blame this lack of response on an
unnamed drama channel. At the time I
thought this was probably me. It might
also be OP block because I do know from
her DM she was watching his streams, but
I am named in KP's unhinged voicemail.
I'd said to KP that we had very good
evidence that it was Emmy and she should
talk to me or at least somebody at this
point given what was unfolding with the
situation. Either way, [\h__\h]
hilarious. Now, at time of recording,
the Brony Fandone account is locked,
which makes me very grateful for
channels like Internet Versus. Because
this lack of a further statement from
Emmy seems to have seriously messed with
Fandon's plans, he'd begin wildly
lashing out at everyone from KP to Lazy
Bed Head, saying he didn't want to hand
over power to people like OPLock. When
this didn't work, he basically conceds
defeat and moves to a Hail Mary play.
Now, one thing you should know about
Bonk is at the slightest pressure, this
guy will say that he's going to end
himself. So, against the current insane
tirade against him, this ramped up
significantly as he posted a link to a
Twitch stream in which he's walking in
the rain. Now, I want to be a touch
sensitive here, not in deference to fan
don't, but this is a topic that touches
a lot of people's lives, unfortunately,
myself included. For that reason, I take
stuff like this pretty seriously, and I
get really angry when I think people are
baiting this [\h__\h] for sympathy. Rather,
I'd like to focus on the actions of
others because despite the [\h__\h] that
Bonk has pulled, there was almost
universal concern for his well-being.
Multiple people would phone wellness
checks, giving out landmarks and
identifying information to try and help
the police track this guy down and stop
him harming himself. Even Sophie would
apparently do the right thing, taking
access to the account away from Bonk and
locking it. And this wasn't just from
his friends. Angry Slug and Lio both
made serious efforts to try and protect
this guy. The actual wellness check that
did the trick apparently came from
Barger, somebody who was friends with
Bonk, but had fallen out with him over
his insane takes on pornography. And
that's largely the last we've heard of
Bonk for the moment. He's apparently in
some kind of medical care, which, let's
be honest, he desperately, desperately
needs. But before finishing up with this
freak, again, I'd like you to hear Cla's
thoughts on the guy who's been harassing
her for years. I think it also moves us
quite nicely on to
actually
very interesting individual.
He started off by being and again like I
have no problem answering people's
questions if they're genuinely asking me
a question or if they start which he did
by saying this is a a situation I'm
bringing to light has been groomed by
black Griffin also known as Gabriel
Brown and everybody should know about
it. and he proceeded with this whole
long thread and I read it and I was
like, "Oh, this is hilarious." Like
surely people are not, you know, gonna
bite on this. And then I saw that like
enough people were that it started to
kind of annoy me and I was like, "What
the heck?" So I was like, "Listen, this
guy's like clearly he's been in the My
Little Pony fandom for a long time. he
definitely knows who I am. And so I feel
like I should, you know, kind of make
communication with him. And I did. And I
said, "Hey man, like basically this is,
you know, I appreciate the sentiment. I
I'm I'm I'm okay. Uh what you think is
happening is not happening. Um it didn't
happen and it certainly didn't happen
with Michelle either. So, could you
just, you know, go ahead and and, you
know, problem solved. You you you don't
have to be a hero. I I don't need saving
and Michelle doesn't need saving. We're
good. Um, none of this happened. I was
not groomed, you know. And he just
turned immediately and became extremely
defensive and didn't care what I had to
say after that point because at that
point I had spoken up against what he
was saying and he was not going to have
that. This is not somebody who is
worried for me and once I say something
on the matter and this is why it's so
annoying when people are like this
person needs to make a statement. This
person needs to make a statement. I'm
like why? Because the it depends who
it's for. I if we're talking about
people who are my fans, my fans know
that I'm chilling. My fans follow me on
Instagram and Twitter or whatever and
see that I'm very happy in my life and
my relationship and I'm fine. And he I
think got you know he was he was
observing this on his other accounts and
the this you know me by this I mean me
and Gabe like dating when we had come
out and announced that we were dating.
Um, we were worried about that because
we know that there are some people in
this fandom who are, you know, a little
bit loony for lack of a better
terminology. And those people are, you
know, we'll spread stuff about you and
that was something that we were like,
you know, let's pick our moment
basically. But eventually we were like,
you know what, who cares? Like we I am
very happy in this relationship. And
Gabe was like, I'm very happy in this
relationship. We, you know, we had kind
of talked about it and we're like, yeah,
I feel like we can kind of let our
followings know. And we we have a shared
following, but we also have separate
following. And it's kind of funny
because it's like when you announce that
you're like dating someone um seriously
or like getting married, like you lose a
bunch of followers.
And for me, I like, you know, I I had a
lot of people who spoke out and I got
the vibe that they were kind of sad that
I was off the market. And I'm like,
okay, no offense, but like as if you had
a shot. I like that's just kind of some
of the people in the fan base are like
that. But then there were other people
who were super happy for us and they
were like, "Oh my gosh, it's amazing.
Like I'm I'm a fan of both of you.
That's so fun. Like I love seeing people
who are you know like-minded get
together and like man you guys are going
to be power couples. So like that was
really nice but
like this where brony fand is lies is
one of those loony people and no matter
what I said I realized talking to him
directly was literally met with fire
every single time. I'm like, is there a
way that you like, you know, I I don't
know why you're doing this. I don't know
why you feel like you have to like I I
don't know what else I can say to like
alleviate your concerns. And then I
started realizing, oh, these aren't
concerns. This is now an attack. And
then I had speculated actually for a
while um that this could have been my
own dad because my dad has done stuff
like this before. The language was very
similar. I had alluded to some, you
know, sassy remarks I I made with Brony
Fanounce, uh, this account and I was
just trying to kind of gauge the waters
and I'm like, yeah, I found out that it
wasn't him and I was like kind of
relieved, but I also was kind of mad cuz
I was like, well, dang, now we just have
like another crazy person with the same
kind of mentality and they just want
Gabe deplatformed. And I actually DM'd
them and I had a whole conversation with
him where I was like, "All right, like
I'm going to level with you, dude. Like
I I don't know what your goal is here or
your game, but I'm fine. And I like I
don't know like why you're so angry
about this still. Like and it seems like
you're more angry the fact that I've
come out and I've said like this is not
true now. But the whole conversation I
mean if you if you even can read it um
he posted it like a while ago. But it
was basically like he said like you
shouldn't have a relationship with
minors if you're an adult at all. And
then I got curious and I started doing
some research and from literally like
almost no effort at all of of research,
I was like, "Okay, this person had like
a role playing account. They deleted a
bunch of their uh they deleted a bunch
of stuff that they used to like
communicate with me um that is like no
longer um on uh X anymore. Um but they
used to communicate with me. So I'm
like, "So what is it that you feel so
guilty or bad about talking to minors?
Not even not even adding the words
sexually to this or inappropriate.
Literally just you cannot talk to
minors." And so it was very creepy to me
quite honestly that he started saying
stuff like this. And the more that he
was saying that, then I started looking
into it and I was like, "Okay, the full
con thing, like I'm sorry if you're
normalizing, I don't care what it is. If
you're drawing a freaking cabinet and
you're sexually attracted to a cabinet
and you say that the cabinet is 4 years
old, that's really creepy. I don't care
what that thing is. If it is underage
and it is being sexualized and you're
buying or commissioning that as porn,
that is predator behavior. And I think
that he's totally projecting
because I don't know. I'm I I I I know
that I I don't like just like throwing
things around, especially because I know
what it's like to be have these words
thrown at me and my own husband, but
that's pretty pedophilic behavior and
it's
normalizing
sexualizing young people and
children and it's disgusting. There's
there's no there's no loophole there.
You don't get to defend why your thing
is slightly different and not okay and
not hurting people. Well, guess what
brony fan don't? You're hurting me. How
about that? You're hurting me. Now
you've hurt one person. So, is that
going to make you stop getting
commissioned freaking underage cartoon
porn? Probably not, because there's
going to be something else that you're
going to defend about it the next time.
I'm just I'm sick of that's so
sickening. This story is one of the
weirdest things I have ever covered.
When I began, I expected it to be a
fairly simple tale about some girl who
had a grudge against another content
creator and was prepared to go to any
lengths to ruin him. I did not expect to
be having conversations with the voice
actresses from My Little Pony and
dealing with a conspiracy to ruin their
lives that seemingly has been running
for years now. But as we've got through
all the conspirators, I guess it's time
for some final thoughts on this entire
mess. Firstly, let's return to KP.
During my interviews with her, I said I
didn't really know where I came down on
whether this was malice or stupidity,
and I actually don't know really if
that's changed. I think it's probably
decent quantities of both. One thing I
will point out is KP has been very
forthcoming with information and does
seem legitimately remorseful. Whether
these are genuine feelings, a response
to being thrown under the bus, or an
attempt to avoid being sued into
oblivion, I'll leave up to you. But what
I've experienced with KP largely lines
up with what other people have said to
me about her. She is fairly lost and
fairly clueless. Turning up to our first
conversation kind of baked. So it
doesn't come as a surprise to me that
when I came back to her to ask about
Chris, she'd ask me this. Are you cool
with me coming to process to you like in
general? Like I don't I don't know. It
just b it just I don't want to look at
anything that's gonna trigger me and
then Ly won't tell me anything because
he's afraid he's gonna trigger me. Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's fine. I mean, again,
I want to I want to be clear
that I'm I am making a video on you. I I
think there's that separation. I'm no
I'm no one's therapist. For those of you
looking for some repercussions to hit
KP, and I don't blame any of you for
that position, this kind of thing is
devastating to a channel. I'm really not
sure how you actually come back from
something like this. And to be honest,
the real damage that's been done to her
is she has basically burnt all her
bridges with her old remaining friends.
And my final thought on this really is
that the only person who can judge KP
fairly is Saber Spark and how he feels
about the [\h__\h] she pulled. As a core
point to this entire thing, if there is
a lesson to be learned, it is about
evidencing the claims we are making as
creators. and I have actively avoided
including claims that I couldn't in some
way substantiate either with evidence or
additional testimonies. I have now heard
the other side of the allegations being
made by Emily, but I have largely dodged
around talking about them and her for a
very simple reason. It is not fair to me
or to you as an audience for me to be
presenting takes that will clearly have
been biased by what I now know. As long
as Saber is off the record, and I have
been clear about this with him, I cannot
use what he tells me. And to his credit,
he wouldn't want me to. But one thing
that was pointed out to me by Lazy Bed
is that I clearly from the start had
issues with these allegations, and she
felt me not highlighting this previous
bias made me slightly disingenuous. But
my Twitter hasn't gone anywhere, and I
was tweeting out about this on May the
2nd before I'd even begun looking at
this in earnest. So, for the sake of
transparency, let's just go over my
thoughts and why I had issues with this
to begin with. My primary problem with
these allegations, having gone over many
like them over the years, is that to me,
Emily tells on herself. My exact
comments were, "Unless there is more,
Sabre is autistic and led her on for
like a year mind talking about a
relationship, which is shitty, but not
cancel worthy. Plus, people are just
glossing over the fact that this is
seemingly multiple meetings and combos,
which adds a lot of gray to this. And
when we come to the actual statement, we
can find that Emmy is talking about
being demisexual. Multiple comments
about Sabre mentioning a relationship
and also talking about how she needed to
get over her crush because she felt her
emotions were being toyed with. To me,
and this is just my opinion, this
statement reads far more like somebody
who was pissed off and has been pissed
off for years that the guy she liked
decided not to date her. And I say this
because my experience has been that
people tell on themselves, often unable
to omit the actual reasons for taking a
particular course of action. This is, of
course, me just explaining my biases and
my tweets on this particular situation.
We all undeniably have these biases
whether you are on the listen and
believe all victim side or the evidence
or it didn't happen side. Truthfully,
most people are going to fall somewhere
in the middle of that spectrum. The
issue only really comes when people are
trying to ruin each other's lives based
on hearsay. And once again, hopefully
for the final time now, I don't know the
truth behind these allegations. Whether
it is Saber Spark or Black Griffin,
nobody does except for the people
directly involved. I am also not
unsympathetic if there are real victims
and the well has been poisoned because
the people who were handling those
claims have been brutally discredited.
In fact, you'll notice that I barely
talk about the DA games accusations
because from what I've seen of it, it
might have some legs. And because KP's
video is so, so bad, that particular
well has yet to actually be poisoned cuz
most people don't even realize that
that's what her video was about. So, if
there is something there, I hope
somebody competent looks into it. If
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Star Sprinter. But before I go, I want
to leave you with one thing which is
admittedly kind of just for me because
there is an absurdly famous brony clip
which has lived rentree in my head for
years. However, as most of us are aware,
there's a darker side to fandom which we
know pretty well to Mrs. Oliver and Miss
Libman.
Great. All right. So, I'm pretty sure
you're aware of Princess Celestia being
portrayed as a tyrant and neutral and
god forbid a molester. And the reason I
have to bring this up is because the
young lady on stage sat next to Peter
New funny enough is Michelle and I
actually did ask her about this. A
panelist gets up on stage and asks
you about your opinions on Princess
Celestia being depicted as a tyrant, an
abuser, and a molester. Do you have any
memory of this?
Zero. I'm telling you, I have zero
memories from conventions almost at all.
They all blur together. I even showed it
to her and she couldn't even identify
which convention it took place at, which
if anything kind of wraps this story up
quite nicely. These events from a decade
or so ago mean so much to so many
people, but for those involved, this was
just their job. As always, more content
to come. Peace.