Easter Sunday, the video Black Griffin,
a collective community failure, was
released to the critical acclaim of over
100,000 people, which included making
the front pages on Reddit. It was a
monumental success that raised over $500
for the charity Rape, Abuse, Incest
National Network, or RAIN. This wasn't
new for me as making content on dark
topics like sex crimes and abuse became
a bit of a regular flavor over here, but
after covering such topics for over 5
years, it had become very draining to
talk about. However, I had known of the
story for over a year and thought with
the stakes raised and more victims
coming forward, it was the best time to
talk about it. After all, other creators
had just pulled up to the function with
their own coverage that got a positive
reception. What's the worst that could
happen?
The reason we're starting here of all
places is because on levels of
culpability,
just believing a document that's handed
to you is something that generally
speaking a lot of YouTubers do. Trusting
that the vetting has already been done
for them. In fact, this is KP's defense
for why she [\h__\h] this up. Much like
the allegations against Saber Spark,
there is no evidence for this. And even
in the document, it is noted that it
can't have been in 2012 because Twitter
didn't even add the function to send
pictures in DMs until December of 2013.
And yet, Lazy Bed Head uses the fact the
allegations even exist in the first
place to try and label Black Griffin a
predator. And I'd like you to keep in
mind here that Fando themselves admits
that they don't have proof behind the
Destiny allegations. In fact, they were
using those allegations in an attempt to
gay up and blackmail Black Griffin. When
that didn't work, they released them
anyway. One of my major issues, in fact,
probably my main issue with this story
is the fact that nobody really vetted or
checked anybody before running things.
For example, Courtney Pete and by
extension Lazy Bed Head use Sophie
Scruggs as an expert on this community.
This lack of vetting isn't just me
bitching about standards. It has quite
serious implications for these wider
stories.
This video is going to serve as three
things. One, an apology, and two, a
complete breakdown of everything that's
happened from April 20th to now. I will
be giving you insights of everything
that has happened behind the scenes for
what I have proof and access to. Some
things are missing and they're for
reasons I'll be giving, but I'm pretty
much laying everything out on the table
to answer the questions that have been
asked and left unanswered. What's going
on? What's your response? Why are you
doing this? This will serve as that
reference point. A lot of the things
that have been happening behind the
scenes, I am not 100% proud of and will
disappoint a lot of you, but I owe it to
my friends and audience who have
uplifted this platform accountability
when I'm in the wrong. Here's the thing
a lot of people who are newer might not
know about me. I am a oneperson show who
films, edits, researches, scripts, and
posts from an iPhone. And I've been
doing it that way since I was 16 years
old. So, if I [\h__\h] up, if a video blows
up in my face, if there is a
reputational hit, I have to take fault.
There's no one else to blame. It's all
me. So, let me acknowledge the concerns
and criticisms of the community, and
take into consideration the words of my
peers, my fans, and maybe people who
don't really like me all that much to
begin with, because all perspectives are
important, regardless if it hurts my
feelings or I think it's too mean. But
there's that third thing. I've only
listed two, so what else will this video
present? What other motives do I have?
That third thing will be doing what's
right. Words in a YouTube apology video
means nothing without action.
And the action I've decided to take
is revenge. A grooming story in the My
Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
community. Right. Okay, cool. Like, I
haven't heard that one before. Copy
paste story. but a grand conspiracy
spanning over two decades to take down
two giant content creators out of
jealousy.
Now, that's a story and it's a story
that needs to be told because I care far
more about the truth being out there
than I do a thanks Reddit moment. This
[\h__\h] is bigger than me. It's bigger than
anyone could have ever imagined. And I
would rather stand by the truth and
what's right than to support some petty,
jealous [\h__\h] who should see to
it that everything they've built is
burnt to the ground.
Also, just ignore all this. I know this
looks really dramatic. I'm I'm using
this for my oak burn opus video. I just
didn't want to take this down yet. So,
this is just here. Also, if this video
comes across as like really scripted,
it's it's because it is. I'm not very
good at like just going off the cuff and
just talking about stuff that's been
happening for over the course of two
months and just kind of remembering it
off on my head. So, the script is just
to help me keep focused. This video will
be divided into three chapters named
after the three most important names
that I have determined to be the most
highly contentious. Black Griffin. I
love Kim Possible a lot or KP and Bonk.
There's a lot of names that will be
thrown around in the midst of these
sections. So, to make it easy, here's
everyone you need to know about. Black
Griffin or Gabriel Brown is a YouTuber
and musician who is married to the My
Little Pony voice actress Claire
Corlette. His career started in My
Little Pony but evolved over the years
on features like Hasbin Hotel. Claire
Corlette Brown is the voice actress for
Sweetie Bell in My Little Pony:
Friendship Is Magic. She is married to
Gabriel Brown, who she met through her
childhood friend, Michelle Creeber.
Michelle and the Creers hosted Gabe in
their home whilst under talent contract.
She is the voice actress for Apple Bloom
and childhood friend of Claire and
considered Gabriel to be like a sibling
to her. All three of these people are
friends with a speculative history
together as Gabe was an adult living
with Michelle when she was a minor and
filmed content with Clare when she was
underage as well. Ian James Corlet is
Cla's father who has allegations
presented by his own daughter of being
controlling and abusive. This was backed
up in videos created by Cop and Sethe.
Beckett's community base comes from an
in between of the art commentary
community and the commentary bro sphere,
but for the most part will do interviews
and present the multiple perspectives of
those in the community. One of those
interviews features Mr. Enter. Jonathan
Rosanski is a cartoon reviewer who's
been around since 2013 that does
investigations against folks in his
community in regards to abusive
behaviors. alongside a team of his
editors and newly found friends made
through his previous investigative
works. In June of 2025, John covered the
allegations against Sabers Spark. Steven
Craraver is one of the biggest content
creators in the community, who was
friends with Black Griffin, even going
to his wedding, which the defense of and
association with was already putting him
in hot waters to begin with. Before all
this though, Steven was a face on
Everfree radio before becoming an
overarching cartoon reviewer. May of
2025, Steven had allegations of sexual
assault presented by a former friend and
cartoon reviewer. I love Kim Possible a
lot. Rachel Cohen presented allegations
against a former colleague, afficionados
Chris. Included in that expose were the
poorly presented allegations and
connections to Chris with DA Games and
Sabers Spark, as well as an allegation
of sexual assault. Presented
anonymously, but then later revealed to
be Sonic content creator Emu Emmy. Emmy
Jones or Emily Jones was already riddled
with controversy before coming forward
with allegations of rape against Sabers
Spark. cheating allegations, sex
scandals, the whole lot was presented
poorly in a video that used Kiwi Farms
as a source probably. But Emily's story
wasn't just backed by KP. In fact, it
was an entire cabal of actors that
pulled Emily in certain directions to
put out the final statement that exists
today. And those names are Courtney
Pete, Lily Orchard's sister, that
directly influenced Emily to remove any
mentions of implied consent, convincing
even KP that the idea of implied consent
is total [\h__\h] She also made a video
on Black Griffin, which featured
interviews with KP and Sophie Scrugs, a
My Little Pony artist whose work has
ended up in official My Little Pony
properties like comics and merchandise.
For a brief period of time, Sophie
shared an account with a user called
Bonk or Helena Hyena. Bonk runs an
account called Brony Fand, which used to
be a role-play account when they were
15, where they played screw ball.
Fandote has been the main source of
information against Black Griffin.
However, it should be duly noted that
the master document about Gabriel was
not created by him. the most
contribution to it was well sharing it
and archival tweets from his account
were featured in the Google doc for
archive purposes. And finally, there is
one more name that I don't see a lot of
people speak about, but whose
association should be more heavily
noted. Amy New is the wife of Peter New,
the voice actor for Big Macintosh. She
also has been talking about the Black
Griffin allegations, but also she was
one of the people who encouraged Emily
to come forward with her claims against
Sabers Spark. There are other names that
I haven't mentioned that will also
periodically come up like Phineas or
Wootmaster or Peter New or Anthony
Grimmaglia or Lyall Convoy or Katie and
Ash from Billy Bustup or AC race best or
Michelle's parents or Soul Rock or
Destiny or the Snapchat victim or Giant
Limb or
James. There's so many people that serve
minor roles that will come up, but this
presentation will not have them as my
full focus. These are the names that
matter the most to me. And where do I
fall in all of this? Well, that will be
explained over the course of this video.
But before we go over the timeline of
events, I must delay this video one
final time for this very important
forward. I want to apologize for the
wait time of this response. A lot of
things had to occur online and offline
before I made any final statement.
Primarily assisting in Mr. Enter's
coverage, as well as getting Becca in
contact with everyone he needed to speak
to for his coverage, as well as making
sure he had access to like important
Discord group chats, figuring out
timeline discrepancies, and getting all
of the ducks in a row. Certain
conversations needed to happen and be
recorded. Questions needed to be asked.
Statements needed to come out before I
could officially answer any questions.
Plus, a lot of like offline and
pre-planned and unexpected events like a
Colossacon trip that I had planned since
January and then I felt like garbage
that entire trip and like a week after.
So, I was sick and recovering. Uh, and
then there were some immediate family
concerns after that. And I was just
spending a lot of time offline with
family and friends because that was
really important with my mental health
and confidence to return to the platform
with a response that is precise,
level-headed, and said all of the right
things and addresses absolutely
everything that is important. Regardless
of the circumstances, um, disappearing
entirely without much of an explanation
was probably not the right move. And I
understand if that brought any
instability or concern within my base
and even beyond that. Whether I entirely
acknowledge this or not, I do have a fan
base that does listen to what I have to
say and kind of see me as a figurehead.
So being silent has only sparked
speculation and misinformation
spearheading the conversation. And for
that, I am truly really sorry. I was
trying to be strategic and I should have
just clued in my immediate base on what
exactly was happening. So they didn't
think I was just trying to run away from
everything. The reason why I am doing
something is pretty simple. It's because
I value the truth and I am honored to
respect the evidence. I know what I have
to do. I have to do the right thing. And
the right thing is being as truthful and
as transparent as possible.
So, let's begin. I would like to begin
this section by explaining how I learned
about the Black Griffin story, as well
as just kind of explain who I am and why
I do content like this. To begin with,
it all started back in 2024. I was
working on the Star Giant production
story, which also has elements of
grooming and abuse. As many of you who
have been watching me for a while, sex
scandal stories and online abuse has
been a constant here. I've been doing
this for a while. And for the longest
time, I didn't really understand like
why. Like, this stuff makes me [\h__\h]
depressed. I'm fascinated by it, but it
hits so close to home that it's also
like incredibly difficult and
uncomfortable for me to talk about. So
like why do I cover topics of this
nature like so often? I think it comes
from
coping. To be perfectly blunt, the
rebrand of this channel from like
anti-SJW to advocacy comes from like an
atonement of my past as well as a lack
of direction in my life. Before Lazy Bed
Head became what it is today, it was an
anti-SJW skeptic channel. And part of
the anti-SJW sphere was leaning into
right-wing politics. The specific
fraction of that space that I fell into
was a stepping stone into the alt-right.
Part of being in the alt-right pipeline
is how you address sexual abuse as more
of an attack on men than it is a serious
threat towards women. A lot of those in
the space would deny sexual abuse or
claim that most sexual abuse occurs due
to something the victim is doing. So for
an example, you know how Jordan Peterson
would argue that like women who are
sexually harassed in the workplace are
sexually harassed because they wear
makeup and makeup is sexually
provocative and signals to other male
co-workers that a woman is sexually
attracted to them.
Can men and women work together in the
workplace?
Yes. I do it.
How do you know?
Because I work with a lot of women.
Well, it's been happening for what, 40
years?
And and things are deteriorating very
rapidly at the moment in terms of the
relationships between men and women.
Is there sexual harassment in the
workplace? Yes. Should it stop? That'd
be good. Will it?
Well, not at the moment it won't because
we don't know what the rules are. Here's
a rule. How about no makeup in the
workplace? Why should you wear makeup in
the workplace?
Isn't that sexually provocative?
No,
it's not. No. Well,
what is it then? What's the purpose of
makeup? Why do you make your lips red?
Because they turn red during sexual
arousal. That's why. Why do you put
rouge on your cheeks? Same reason.
I mean, look,
how about high heels?
What about high heels?
What about them? They're there to
exaggerate sexual attractiveness. That's
what high heels do. Now, I'm not saying
that people shouldn't use sexual
displays in the workplace. I'm not
saying that. But I am saying that that
is what they're doing.
Yeah, that's that's where I was at. That
is what I genuinely believed that most
women who speak up were lying or were
asking for it. That's how I felt for
most of my high school years. And, you
know, as a 16-year-old in the content
space, seeing, you know, the Slazo story
unfold as well as Spocker when he
actually did have like false
allegations. um to then projared and
then quite it just reconfirmed that
horrible worldview. When I went to
college, I knew I wanted to do something
with art, but I also became like really
fascinated with like psychology and
sociology and law. And during those
years, I finally shaped those like
hyperfixations and special interests
into what I actually wanted to do with
my life. I wanted to be an art therapist
that worked with sexual abuse survivors.
College educated me on a lot of things
revolving around this topic. Mainly that
people who lie about sexual assault is
actually incredibly rare. I learned what
perfect victim mentality was and how
damaging that is. I learned what the
legal statistics actually were of sexual
abuse and how under reportported and
underrepresented survivor stories were.
I was becoming really passionate about
this. It was like my calling. I could
actually help people the right way
instead of just being a Twitter doubter
forever. And then COVID hit and my
dreams died. Financially speaking, I
could have returned to schooling after
the lift of lockdown, but my life had
changed so much at that point. I was in
a new relationship. I worked factory
jobs. I moved out. All of which drained
those savings. And YouTube was more of
like a side hobby that I'd sometimes do
and then I would just forget about it.
In 2023, we got to a point where my
partner wanted me to pursue YouTube
full-time. And since I had all this back
pocket knowledge on how to research
these topics and still maintained my
interest in like just how human behavior
is, I thought, you know, why the hell
not? It'd be a good way to utilize that
dead dream of mine. That's sort of like
a condensed version of how we got here.
And why I even bring any of this up to
begin with is because throughout the
duration of the last two months, I
recognized an issue that it took all of
this to finally get me to realize.
Throughout the duration of my time going
full throttle on YouTube, I had gone so
far from one side of the spectrum, you
know, people lie about rape all the time
to the polar opposite of believe victims
no matter what. when what should have
happened is that I should have ended up
somewhere in the middle. And I thought
by understanding why people are like
this, that was at least giving them a
fair shake. Not trying to like
necessarily find an excuse, but
understanding people better. what I've
witnessed in the many years watching
commentary content and like you know
being in the niche myself, you kind of
forget that the person that you're
talking about
is a person with maybe mental health
reasons or social reasons why they are
the way that they are. So I thought to
offer like a different kind of content
to stand out more, we would try to
explore that, have conversations about
why people are like this. Not speaking
necessarily like as an expert, just
trying to understand people better. And
that became the standard for a while,
but over time even that kind of got
sidelined. And all of that came to a
head with my Black Griffin video. Like
I'd mentioned, I learned about this
story over a year ago. I was working on
the Star Giant production story and my
buddy Phineas and I were just going
through the rundown of what that was all
about. We watched one of her tier list
videos of cartoon reviewers and Sabers
Spark was on that listed pretty high and
I had mentioned liking his content in
the past kind of being like on and off
it over the years. And Finn had said
that he didn't like Saber Spark because
he was friends with someone who met his
wife when she was a minor and he was an
adult. Obviously, this very much floored
me as Saber has been someone who's
spoken out against this kind of thing
before in his content. So, needless to
say, I was very confused. So, I briefly
was educated about it. I read like a
wiki page about Gabe or something and I
thought, man, that's really weird. But
since we're already in the star giant
rabbit hole, that's where my main
interest was focused on. And even that
became like a stressor in its own right.
Because midway through interviews and
production, I moved and it took like a
few months to feel like really
comfortable in this new space. The video
was split in two parts, which wasn't the
original plan. I actually almost lost
footage throughout that process and I
wasn't sure if I was going to be able to
like re-record or get any of that back
because none of my recording stuff was
even set up at that point. Then there
was the re-edit and the final cut and it
all just kind of resulted in me just
forgetting about the Black Griffin
thing. So, a year goes by and Jenny
Nicholson is retweeting a Google
document about Black Griffin that
features even more allegations against
him. And soon after that, Courtney Pete
puts out a video. Courtney and I
connected back when I had Twitter around
March of last year. We had a back and
forth in DMs and we followed each other
for a little bit. We had a mutual
respect for each other, but we weren't
friends really, just kind of like
acquaintances in the same field of
content creation. Hell, by the time her
Black Griffin video came out, I hadn't
really spoken to Courtney in like a
year. But I have this video sent to me
and it reminded me of the story and I'm
like, "Oh yeah, I I heard about this
story over a year ago." And watching her
coverage made me realize it went far
deeper and it's been an ongoing
conversation for the past decade. Plus,
the stakes were higher at that point. He
didn't just meet his wife when she was a
kid. He was now accused of exposing
himself to two people when they were
minors. So, this has rapidly developed
over the past year since I had heard
about it and I thought maybe I should
look into it. Maybe I should make a
video, raise some money for a charity I
thought could be helpful because I
always wanted to do that with my
platform, but I was always kind of
destitute myself in cash that I needed
to be in a financially good place before
making huge donations. I think the only
way to talk about this video is to weigh
out the pros and cons. There are some
things I stand by it. Obviously, not
everything is like 100% solid, so we
should address what is correct and what
wasn't. For the positives, I think this
is the most organized video on the
topic. It goes in chronological order.
There are chapters, so it's easy to
follow. I present mostly everything.
There was a first draft from Billy
Bustup that I missed, but in the grand
scheme of things, it doesn't really
matter. If you've never heard of the
story or who these people are up until
this video, it serves at least as a good
rundown. I think my video was the first
and only one that actually came out and
presented criticisms of Brony Fandon.
Other videos that came out at the time
either wouldn't mention Brony Fandone
and just refer to the document or they
would feature his tweets without much
critique of the presentation or how he
conducted himself. And I thought it was
necessary to talk about because I
thought that a criticism was needed. I
mean, you're talking about like really
serious [\h__\h] You kind of got to be
acting better than this. I think the
editing was pretty good. It's definitely
one of my better looking videos. I think
it offered an outsers's perspective
looking into everything, which is the
position of like how most viewers are.
Hell, half of my comments that I got on
that video were just like, I don't know
any of these people or what any of this
is about, but needless to say, I am
interested. It might have been easier to
engage with as someone who like isn't in
the know watching someone who also isn't
in the know look over all this stuff. It
just makes it more relatable, I guess. I
feel like most people forget this part
of the coverage, but there was a nuance
there. Like at the first half of the
video, I gave a lot of slack to the
claims with Michelle because I just
didn't think they made a lot of sense
for her to have also been groomed
because like if that were the case,
wouldn't she have gotten married to
Gabe? Now, it has been speculated for a
decade given that Gabe was 22 and
Michelle was 13 at the oldest that this
was a grooming relationship. And from
all accounts, including Michelle's, this
doesn't appear to be the case. or at the
very least there's not enough evidence
to say for absolute certainty. Even if
it was and Michelle doesn't recognize
it, there's not a lot of physical proof
that this was grooming. I mean, sure, I
think it is fair to be suspect of a
relationship forming between a
13-year-old and a 22-year-old with
completely different power imbalances.
one being a voice actress on a prominent
TV show with a fandom that Gabe was a
part of, but also Black Griffin being a
popular personality in said fandom based
on her show. I mean, this is a weird
friendship. Sure. Especially given that
this was only really set up by
Michelle's mother reaching out and
homing Gabriel. Is it possible?
Sure. But based on Michelle's own
testimony, that just wasn't what appears
to be happening in her own personal
assessment looking back on it as an
adult. I also said that I respected
Cla's decision to stand by her husband
and not identify as a victim. I mean, I
suppose I'd understand if it was just
Michelle and Claire because they both
choose to say that they were never
victims of Gabriel, which is completely
their decision. And even if I still have
my concerns, I do recognize their agency
and I respect their decision. But it
kind of got lost in that second half. I
think once it got to like the Destiny
stuff, that's when I said a lot of
things I absolutely shouldn't have. So,
let's segue into the negatives. Because
my strategy was so curated towards being
like an outsider looking in, I didn't
talk to anyone involved in the story. I
didn't talk to Michelle or Claire or
Destiny or Sophie Scruggs or Brony Fan.
And this is pretty common in commentary.
Not everyone does interviews and just
talks about the publicly available
information, but no one was asking for
Claire or Michelle's opinion at all. And
when people like Bonk did have private
conversations, he would just lash out
and get angry at Claire. Now, I did have
an opportunity like really early on to
talk to Bonk, but due to his past that I
presented in my video and just his
attitudes towards Claire, I just I
didn't feel comfortable doing so. A lot
of the reasons I didn't talk to folks is
just because a lot of these people are
on Twitter.
I don't have Twitter for very, very good
reasons.
I don't think I need to explain what one
of those are. Honestly, if I did have
Twitter, this video probably would have
looked a lot different. Like, I don't
even think any of this would have ever
happened, maybe. Despite my respect for
Michelle and Claire's decision, I still
said a lot of [\h__\h] that I probably
shouldn't have that undermined that
respect. Like saying, "I am 23." And how
old are you, sweetheart? I am 14 years
old.
I'mma make you my bride. What? I'm going
to make you my daddy a lot. Hey yo, I
hope for just, you know, Claire's sake
that she's happy because although she
may have been the lucky minor that got
to be the Lucas to Gabe Onision, that
that's pretty bad. I'm I'm really sorry
for that one. It's like saying I respect
people with autism and then immediately
afterward calling them the Rword. It
just it doesn't mesh. It doesn't work.
There's also no indication that the main
whistleblower that's been compiling the
evidence against Black Griffin that
being pony fandote has had any contact
with Ian Corlet.
I also thought people like Sophie and KP
were in some form a point of expertise
when they really weren't. If you were to
look back at Courtney's video, she
interviews both of them and platforms
them as if they're in the no. Like
they're experts. They are the general
consensus of the community when like
they're both
crazy people. I kind of took the Google
document as gospel. I mean, sure,
there's some good points of contention
like the deviant art comments. Even if
this document and to an extent, even if
Bonk says something I can somewhat agree
with, too much of their compiling and
analysis is too much of a mixed bag. And
when you're making serious claims like
this, you cannot be a mixed bag. You
have to know your [\h__\h] So much of that
document, in hindsight, either doesn't
provide an alternative perspective,
relies heavily on quantity over quality,
and straight up just adds things in
there that aren't proof of anything. So,
now that we've self-reflected on that
content, let's talk about why it's gone.
after Beckett's video, The Shaming of
Sabers Spark, where we get to hear from
Michelle and Claire for the first time,
and I listened to Beckett's critiques
and even talked to Beckett privately to
understand what all of his issues were
with the coverage. And after doing so, I
concede that he makes a better argument
with an exception to a few things. I am
not bringing this up as to like push for
anything. I just want to understand like
where Michelle and Claire are coming
from and like what explanations are
there for like some of the stuff that
just goes directly against what they're
saying in Beckett's video. Michelle
claims that Gabe would not have
considered Claire his friend. In fact,
he was annoyed when Claire got his phone
number. We've calculated now that Gabe
and Clare met outside of conventions
roughly six to seven times. I know Gab's
definition of friends. I know he would
not have considered Clare a friend
because he would consider somebody a
friend that he had, you know, con like
contact with phone number. He only had
Cla's phone number.
I don't know some point like 2017ish
because one of her parents gave him or
no, one of her parents gave Cla Gab's
number and that actually made Gabe
really uncomfortable and I was there
when he first received a text from her
and he was like, "Oh god, why did they
give Cla my number? I don't want her to
have my number.
And I find this claim really interesting
because not only did these two
constantly reply to each other on
Twitter, a platform with private direct
messaging. So like if Claire really
wanted to get a hold of Gabe without his
direct phone number, she could have just
done it through Twitter DMs or just
replying to him constantly on Twitter
cuz they just did that all the time.
Also, Gabe is literally right here
saying that he's friends with all three
of the Cutie Mark crusaders. Both Claire
and Michelle would have been 17. And
Claire would have been 17 here as well,
posting to Instagram calling Gabe her
friend. Well, actually, she calls him a
loser. But obviously, if she's married
to the guy, she must not think he's that
much of a loser. I am more than willing
to just accept that they were really
good friends through like working on My
Little Pony, you know, like work
constituents. I don't doubt Claire's
claims that Gabe was far more
professional to her than say like a lot
of other bronies. Like for example, I
just I just want to play this clip.
All right, so I'm pretty sure you're
aware of Princess Celestia being
portrayed as a tyrant and natural and
god forbid a molester
and Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy on
occasion. No.
Yeah. So, I know that let you know from
where I stand, the darker side of the
fandom is not part of uh what I will
talk about. Yeah. So, that's a grown ass
man asking that question to a
14-year-old Michelle on stage.
You know, in comparison to this, I think
Gabe was actually pretty normal. And
that's what I think the Black Griffin
story should have been about. You know,
aside from the conversation of like how
[\h__\h] victims can be and like how often
community and law enforcement can fail
them, I also think that there should
have been a conversation about like
things being normalized when they really
should not have been. Maybe that
conversation like paired with the story
of Black Griffin could have made for
like a better video and made this case a
lot stronger. The My Little Pony
community online was like so anti-drama
that a lot of the things just kind of
slid under the radar when it really
should have been called out. Nazism,
fullcon, the whole Toon Critic thing for
a lot of people was just kind of
concluded as
if we withhold forgiveness, it does not
harm the wrongdoer in any way.
I realize that forgiveness is not and
never was for the benefit of the
wrongdoer.
It is for our own benefit.
It is what enables us to finally release
the anger, the resentment, the hurt, the
poison that slowly turns our hearts
black.
Like, it's just kind of [\h__\h] weird.
And a lot of the things in the Black
Griffin story I have a moral issue with.
I just don't think it's normal to meet
your future spouse when they're a minor
and you're an adult. Like if I were to
put myself in that situation, I just
don't think I would do it. Like I have a
sibling who's a minor, right? They're
16. If one of their 16-year-old friends
met me and started talking to me and
then they turn 18 and I immediately was
like, I'mma hit that.
I think my parents would disown me. And
I know that that's probably personally
really offensive towards Claire. And I'm
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be
offensive. It's just that this is my
channel and what I do on this platform a
lot is kind of give my opinion on my
morals and tell people what those are.
And this is just one of those things I I
morally just don't feel comfortable
with. And I mean, I get it. It's It's
just my opinion. No one asked really.
So, I am sorry. I'm not claiming that
like Gabe is legally in the wrong.
Morally, I just don't I just don't think
I can get behind that. That That's all.
I just think morally, it's just kind of
odd. I also don't think it's normal for
industry moguls to house a random
internet musician to live with them and
their 13-year-old child. I don't think
it's normal to call a fan of your music
Baby Honey, or Babble on Deviant Art
when they're a minor. I think all of
that is just really [\h__\h] weird. And
if that was Brony Fandone's argument, I
don't think a lot of people would like
necessarily disagree. However, what Bonk
wants to do is not only inflate these
moral issues in terms of like a legal
matter, but now they want to fight with
Claire and Michelle when they don't
identify as victims. Bonk even goes as
far as to call them just as awful as
Gabe. And I just I don't see how that
helps anyone. Why doesn't Bonk just like
assist more with Destiny and the
Snapchat victim? Why not like help them
get their missing evidence instead of
just relying on their testimony alone?
As much as testimony is important
evidence as far as the law is concerned,
it more so counts as circumstantial
evidence than anything else. I mean,
Destiny and this other victim, both of
their stories are strikingly really
similar. And if it does establish a
pattern of behavior, that's great. But I
think people are just asking for more
and I can't say that I necessarily blame
them. I think the biggest problem with
my video was like seeing Destiny come
forward and seeing her just get tossed
to the side. It got me so worked up at
just how she was being treated that I
just thought that was enough to crusade
on. And sure, I can get mad at that all
I want. I think it's really shitty. And
even though I do specify it's just an
allegation, it doesn't help to say that.
and then also say this. Now, since this
was when Destiny was 13 years old,
hindsight is 2020, so none of the chats
or this dickpick was ever documented or
screenshots taken. So, for now, these
are just allegations from memory.
Although, I do think this testimony
coming forward does sort of confirm the
sneaking suspicion that people have had
about Gabe for years up until this
point. Since the removal of my coverage,
a lot of people have speculated that the
reason why is because I was threatened
legally. This is not true. I've never
been slapped with any legal notice.
Claire has never reached out to sue me.
I was never asked to do anything. No one
asked me to take it down. I just did it
myself. I want my content to be two
things, helpful and solid. Is my
coverage helpful?
Sure, to anyone who is unfamiliar with
the story, maybe it helps the outsiders
who have no idea who anyone is. But is
it helpful to Michelle and Claire, the
voices that actually matter?
No. If anything, it actually really
hurts them. And for that, I am really,
really sorry. I'm really sorry that I
didn't speak to either one of you. I
just didn't have the ability to and I
wish I was able to. So, please accept a
more public means of apologizing. I
should have been far more charitable and
respectful of your stance and I'm sorry
for not taking your perspective into
consideration. Is my content solid?
Well, without Michelle and Claire's
perspective, no, not really. There are
certain parts that I do stand by like
criticisms of certain people and
morality. Like I could play moral high
horse all I want but nobody nobody asked
and nobody cares. But certain things
were taken at face value when they
should have been thoroughly examined.
It's too much of a mixed bag and for not
doing my due diligence. I'm really
really sorry. My video should have
concluded on something that wasn't so
definitive. My final thoughts on Gabriel
C. Brown should have been like a maybe.
The thing is, I'm still like morally
opposed to a lot of the things that he's
done and how similar Destiny and the
Snapchat victim stories are. And with
the Deviant Art comments, I'm just not
comfortable with like 100% saying he's
innocent or 100% guilty. When I first
made my video, I came at it being really
certain that he was, but after talking
to Becket and listening to the
criticisms of the community, I'm just
not really sure. I just think that Gabe
is the result of a community that
normalized things that shouldn't have
been. I mean, believe it or not, the
grooming claims of like Michelle and
Gabe actually come from years of the
community actively shipping them
together, not speaking out against their
relationship, but actively like wishing
they would become an item. In Michelle's
testimony, when she's talking about like
all of these gross comments that her
parents had to see, it wasn't about
grooming allegations. It was all of
these grown ass people online shipping a
16-year-old with a grown ass man. That's
not normal. The fact that people had
conversations justifying their ship of
these real people, one of which was a
minor and the other was an adult is
really [\h__\h] weird. But that's just
how the community was. And it's really
[\h__\h] To Claire and Michelle, the
video I made caused more harm than
intended. It platformed Bonk and Sophie
in a way that treated them as people
with integrity and worthy of criticism
when they should have been worthy of
condemnation and for not doing that. I
am so so sorry. That's why I took the
video down because it hurt those girls
and I I don't want to hurt anybody. I
just want to do what's right, what I
think is right. And I'm I guess I'm
doing that now. But this whole thing
goes so much deeper than any of us could
have imagined. Brony, Fand, and the
people behind this thing as an entity
expands further than just Gabe.
So, let's talk about Saber Spark. For
some reason, people think I'm
unqualified to do this.
You know, I think they might have been
on to something.
The same day my Black Griffin video
dropped, I was connected to I Love Kim
Possible a lot through our mutual
friend, Phineas. KP had been working on
some big video that she'd been brewing
up since September of last year. She
needed voice lines and asked if I could
read a reply email from DA Games. Here's
how I usually go about like providing
voice work in content creation. I'm very
indiscriminate with who I work with
unless that person wants me to like read
something that like strictly goes
against my morals. Like I'm not going to
like provide voice work for like
example um if someone was making like a
pro map video or something and was like
advocating for adults to date minors and
they want me to like voice something.
I'm not going to provide my voice in
that. Like that's a very extreme
example, but like I have standards. If
someone needs a voice line, I usually do
it pro bono. I don't really care much
for voice work. I just see it as another
way to like network, expand my reach,
make connections, and be helpful to
those in my niche. And besides, I'm just
a YouTuber. I'm not a voice actor. I
don't have rates because voice acting is
not my job. It's video creation. Voice
acting and cameo work just ends up being
a bonus. I worked with other content
creators and featured in larger videos
in the past, so I didn't think this
would be any different. But there was
another reason why I wanted to talk to
KP. When the Black Griffin story was in
full swing, KP was reaching out to
content creators through mutuals to find
people who would cover the story. This
was when she had Bonk in her Discord
server, working with and getting more
details of what the allegations were and
helping the victims. So KP was working
on the stuff surrounding DA games that
she didn't really have the time to talk
about Black Griffin. So she started
reaching out to other content creators.
Funnily enough, one of her contacts that
she tried getting involved in this whole
thing was Animat,
the fedora guy. Random ass choice, I
know. But the one who ended up taking
the bait first was Courtney Pete.
Courtney's video is interesting for two
reasons. For one, KP is interviewed in
said video, which made me believe that
she was closer to the Black Griffin
story than she actually was. In reality,
the only reason she was involved was
because she was friends with Sabers
Spark, who was friends with Black
Griffin, who Courtney heavily
criticizes. And according to even KP
herself, Courtney is involved. And she's
been calling Saber worse than Gabe
publicly for a reason. Now, I should
reiterate this for the record.
Neither KP nor our mutual Phineas asked
me to make my Black Griffin video. I did
that entirely on my own after reading
the master document and thought there
was enough interesting stuff in there
for me to talk about. I only found out
about KP's involvement through
Courtney's video. And even then, when we
did get in contact, we didn't even
really talk about Black Griffin. She
just wanted me to do some voice work.
However, what really made me want to
speak to KP was some comments that she
left on my Black Griffin video. Great
video. Sorry I couldn't be of more help
dealing with more than one gross person
at the moment. XD Sabers Spark's been
real quiet. It's going to get worse.
Foreshadowing. So, these comments were
really odd. For one, why was KP, this
innocuous person who makes like Kim
Possible and Brony videos, dealing with
a bunch of gross people? Like, what are
you talking about? And also, what the
hell does she mean that things are going
to get worse for Sabers Spark? What does
that mean? Now, because I didn't have
Twitter, I was not aware of the fact
that she had been hyping up a multi-
predator expose for months. All I was
aware of was this totally not subtle
foreshadowing in my comments. And
admittedly, because I'm a nosy [\h__\h] who
was also critical of Saber's defense of
Gabe, I wanted to know what the [\h__\h] KP
was talking about. Now, if you've seen
Cartoon's coverage, you would know that
a lot of the voice actors were given
little to no context to what they were
lending their voices to.
I was the exception to that rule for
some reason, which makes me feel like a
[\h__\h] [\h__\h] To the voice actors who
had lent a hand without context, I am so
sorry that you were dragged into any of
this without the muchneeded context that
I was preview to. That makes me feel
like I got like special treatment. And I
I don't appreciate that at all. I would
have liked if everyone was given the
full extent of what they were signing
off on and not just me. Even though I
was given like most of the context, more
than most, I was randomly presented this
context within the span of like 6 days
as I will present now. KP said that she
would provide context to what I was
reading if I asked. I did and I got the
whole spiel on like who Chris was, what
DA Games was getting accused of. And
that email that I was reading was what
KP got in response to trying to make
Chris's sexual misconduct known. And you
know, at first knowing what Chris had
done and admitted to, I was on KP's side
initially. I mean, I wouldn't be
comfortable either if one of my former
colleagues told a bunch of people that
they jacked off on my clothes.
Regardless of how you feel about KP,
that's just objectively really gross.
Even as a joke, it's just sexual
harassment and weird. But considering,
you know, all of this, I had to know,
what did this have to do with Saber
Spark? And the answer was he employed
Chris. So, here's what I thought this
video was going to be. Similar to my
Black Griffin video, I thought this
video expose would be about Chris and Da
Games. And Saber Spark would look like a
hypocrite defending Chris, who has
admitted to sexual misconduct. The most
you could say about Saber Spark is that
the company he keeps makes him look like
a hypocrite. And that's all really KP
had. I advised her during our first
conversation to address the criticism
Sabre had made about recording a Discord
call without all participants
acknowledging and consenting to record
as it was something that even I was
critical of KP during our first
conversation. I think I can see it from
both perspectives. Like I do not think
that was something you should have done
without clarifying, but at the same
time, I would understand you'd want to
have recorded evidence of Chris taking
responsibility for his actions so that
if he tried to dodge accountability,
you'd be able to show him admitting to
everything said in the safety report. I
can understand Saber getting upset over
recording without consent because that
wasn't cool at all. and he probably
wanted to white knight his friend as he
tends to do so very often. But at the
same time, what Chris is apologizing for
and admitting to is very gross and weird
and uncomfortable. And so calling you a
liar despite his own personal apology,
it's like Steven, read the room. My god.
And in some ways, I still do kind of
feel this way. In regards to Saber
Spark's response, he really just boils
down KP's complaint against Chris and
himself as
the joke was inappropriate, but it was
told nearly 10 years ago. He profusely
apologized to me as well and admitted to
his faults. I believe in the inner
growth of a person and that they can
change for the better. He did good work
for the team. I was surprised though
that KP thought she had the ability to
dictate who I hire and fire for my own
team. From what is alleged in the DA
games allegations, officionado's Chris
not only engaged in racist memes in the
DA game server back in 2016, which is a
year after his sexual misconduct, but
Will also shared not safe for work
lollycon images in Chris's server in
2018, 3 years after the fact. From KP's
perspective, this apology doesn't really
mean much of anything if Chris's
behavior actually got worse. even
borderline criminal in the three years
since. It doesn't make this interaction
any better given what Chris and Will
were actually doing. I'll give this to
Saber Spark. I too also believe in the
growth of a person. And these things did
happen well over 10 years ago. It's very
possible that the person Chris is today
is not the same person that he was a
decade ago. But personally, if I'm going
to make this stance on lollycon,
for those who are not familiar with the
term, let's just say it's a
leading up to this point, an had gone
through a number of mental and physical
health issues as a result of trauma from
childhood sexual assault, among more
recent issues. They stated that per the
recommendation of their therapist, if
true, one outlive venting their pentup
emotions was drawing shodda art. Now, I
really don't want to have to describe
this term, but okay. Uh, fine, I have
to. Shoda art refers to adult material
featuring cartoon characters,
specifically young boy characters. One
of the pairings they would draw rule 34
of was Frankie Foster and Mac from
Fosters's Home or Zim and Dib from
Invader Zim.
Now, I don't really think this is the
best approach for dealing with that kind
of trauma personally, but hey, that's
just me. And I also again have my
suspicions if the therapist approved
this.
And my editor and his other boss are
sharing Lollcon back and forth. and said
editor also made a sex joke about
someone who I once considered one of my
friends. I'd probably tell that guy to
choke on a brick. By the end of the day,
it's not up to KP or anyone in the court
of public opinion to tell Sabers Spark
who he can and can't hire. If he wants
to stand by Chris, he is 100% in his
right to do so. All I can do is just
criticize it and call him a hypocrite,
which, you know, being a hypocrite isn't
the worst thing in the world. Everyone
has been a hypocrite at some point,
unless you're part of like the drama
sphere on the internet, in which case
being a hypocrite is like worse than
murder or something. But making Steven
look like a hypocrite wasn't enough for
KP.
She wanted to kneecap Sabers Spark. On
the 26th of April at 1 in the morning,
KP randomly messages me saying, quote,
"Hey, I don't know if you're around, but
[\h__\h] it. I can tell you what's going on
in more detail because I think the more
people talking about it when it breaks,
the better." KP proceeds to tell me of a
rape allegation against Sabers Spark,
which I was shocked to hear about since
I was already previewed to this claim in
my comment section of my Black Griffin
video. Someone had commented something
along the lines of, "By the way, Saber
Sparks a rapist, and I deleted that
comment because I thought that person
was talking out of their ass."
Apparently, this allegation was made
early, posted a week before KP had
planned on it coming out. She had even
written a tweet forward that was
supposed to come out alongside the
allegations. The forward presented the
allegations in a completely new light
than what was eventually put out by Bonk
when he refused to use what KP wrote.
The following is a testimony of rape by
coerced consent between Saber Spark and
the victim in said testimony. There were
two isolated incidents 2012 and 2013.
This isn't true by the way. Both of the
incidents were in 2012. We Bonk as well
as YouTuber I Love Kim Possible a lot
have talked to the victim extensively
and believe the validity of these
claims. There's something that should be
noted about this forward. KP had written
this herself for Bonk to post alongside
the allegations as if she wrote it from
the perspective of Bonk himself like
pretending to be him drafting out the
tweet to post online on his account as
if he wrote it. But also, the allegation
here is different than what Bonk puts
out on his own front. KP calls the
allegation rape by coercion, which is
interesting for two reasons. Later, it
will be shown how KP and Courtney Pete
do not believe in the concept of implied
consent. But if they believe that the
accusation initially was rape by
coercion, then that must mean that KP
and co acknowledged that Emily had to
have given an indication that the sexual
encounter was actually consensual.
However, because Emily claims that the
encounter made her highly uncomfortable,
it's almost like they had to concoct
like some sort of way for this to be
rape in some fashion. So, they went with
the narrative of coercion. So, it made
sense why the victim would agree to have
sex at all, but still felt it was wrong.
It also shows that those presenting the
allegations backing it up, like KP,
Bonk, Courtney Pete, Amy New, whoever
the [\h__\h] else, they all don't appear to
be on the same page as Bonk didn't go
forward with this tweet draft. We will
see more of this miscommunication and
leopards eating faces later on. So, what
is KP's angle in telling me all of this
bonk being a jumping off point and even
like bringing this allegation to the
public at all? Well, at the time, KP
claims that the goal of the allegations
was supposed to go up right before the
video to blindside him. So, let me get
this straight. You wanted Bonk to
release these allegations on your own
terms along with your video with your
words for the forward of the tweet and
told me in hopes that more people would
talk about these allegations when they
drop all to blindside Sabers spark.
First of all, that's insane.
Objectively, this is just an insane
thought process that rape allegations
are for the purpose of blindsiding
someone you already expressed to me in
these DMs you do not like. And can we
just talk about how manufactured this
plan was to get Bonk to say certain
things to how KP would instruct the
victim on how they should make their
statement. KP and Courtney coached Emily
to remove any mentions of implied
consent, adding the details of Sabers
and her height and weight difference.
KP, this is your edit. This is your
recommendation. What was highlighted in
yellow are recommended specifications,
whilst the pink highlights are direct
additions or rewardings by KP and Co.
Sabers Spark was also significantly
larger than me as I was an 80some lb
18-year-old girl, so I physically could
not stop him. This ended up in the final
statement the victim approved of being
released to the public, and it was
something that she added to her
statement via Discord DMs between
herself and KP after KP suggested adding
it in. This is really damning in and of
itself, but it gets even worse when the
video actually comes out. Not only is
this allegation featured an hour and 30
minutes into a 2hour video, but the
discussion of the allegation itself is
held by Courtney Pete and KP once again
debunking the concept of implied
consent. A consensual sexual encounter
is never something you're going to
question afterwards. Okay? Like you just
don't question a consensual encounter.
Sure, you may have a consensual
encounter that's unsatisfying.
You may have one that you, you know,
regret that might, you may look back on
one and go, you know, if I could make
that decision again, I probably
wouldn't. But people don't question
consensual sexual experiences with did I
just get violated to be quite honest.
And like the other thing that kind of
breaks my heart is there's one point in
her testimony where where she questions
if I if I'm remembering this correctly
that like maybe she was at fault because
she had a crush on him. like maybe she
gave the wrong signal or something.
Maybe she implied something or he
thought consent was implied because he
knew there was a crush on her. Like in
in all honesty, consent is never
implied. Like even even secure,
confident individuals in a in a sexual
encounter will check in with their
partner as things escalate and change
gears and and they'll say things like,
you know, are you okay? Should we keep
going? Is this good? Like because
consent is not something that is
implied. It's never something that's
implied. You know, an absence of a no is
not a yes in any regard. An absence of
uh resistance is not compliance. And
even in that regard, compliance is not
an invitation. Now, I'm not super well
educated on implied consent to give like
my opinion on it. I know that it's like
sort of a contentious topic. There's
arguments for it and against it. What I
can say about like this whole implied
consent thing is how it's argued in this
exact video. Whilst there's a whole
15minute segment talking about how
implied consent is [\h__\h] KP does
address recording Chris without his
consent like I said she should, using
implied consent as her defense. Chris
isn't the victim. I can't believe I have
to even have this segment, but with the
implication of Steven's, what are you
going to do? Record me comment on top of
Chris's statement talking about the
recording being without his knowledge.
Let's just clear this up. So, firstly,
as already stated, I thought it was
obvious that a call was being recorded
for safety reasons because it's about
sexual harassment. It's not like a fun
call. Like, I thought it was obvious.
Obviously, it wasn't.
I hope KP knows that consent doesn't
just apply to sex. It applies to just
about everything you agree to do.
Signing implied consent forms for
medical procedures. Contract law that
includes explicit signed consent. Giving
a yes or no to things you do or do not
want to do is giving someone consent.
And if you truly believe implied consent
is [\h__\h] then you can't also use
that defense to record people without
their permission. And that is just one
of the many, many problems I have with
this video. Unfortunately, we can't have
a conversation about Sabers Spark and
Emily Jones without talking about this
video. I think the allegations
themselves should be evaluated and given
a fair shake on their own without the
association to this horrible video
because dismissing them based on their
inherent source is an argumentative
fallacy called a genetic fallacy.
However, since I'm featured in it
briefly, I must absolutely disavow this
video and just break down why this
doesn't work. Use this as an educational
opportunity of what not to do.
Hello viewers, welcome to another
segment of Maybe the internet was a big
[\h__\h] mistake.
One of the many complaints of this video
is in its tone. Many citing it to be
completely tonedeaf when paired with
allegations of rape and sexual abuse.
But I like to think of myself with the
John Stewart of the YouTube animation
community. I call things out when I feel
like I can add something to the
conversation. I don't want to be alive
anymore.
Like you just draw this for your boss,
right? If memory serves, there's also a
nude version.
That's disgusting.
I think you guys are just trying to wait
until this all dies down and everyone
forgets and then Chris will just
magically appear.
Now, given how I use humor in my own
coverage on darker topics of this
nature, I cannot say [\h__\h] I guess this
is one of those things where I kind of
have to just ask the audience, what do
you guys think? This complaints and like
jokes and tone wasn't an issue with my
own content until KP's video came out.
I've been presenting stories of sexual
misconduct on this channel for 5 years
with the same amount of hyperbole,
memes, and even costumeuming to the
complaint of absolutely no one until
KP's video came out. So, because I would
actually like to hear constructive
criticism, unlike Courtney Pete, I would
like to know, am I part of the problem?
Am I just as bad? Am I also in the wrong
when I joke around and try to be
entertaining in light of serious topics?
Is there really a difference or not?
Because the only conclusion I can come
up with is KP is the reason I can't be
funny anymore. Most of my presentation
is in trying to come across as precise
and to the point whilst also making
light-hearted jabs to cope with the
uncomfortableness of the situation. Like
if you've watched any of my videos, I
don't know if anyone's noticed this, but
like I have a horrible nervous laugh.
It's like a trigger to anything that
makes me feel like uncomfortable or when
I'm masking the fact that I'm extremely
socially awkward and everyone can tell.
And I think laughing can just fix it and
it it doesn't. But for me, it's just
like a train wreck. I I can't look away
from and I cope with it by giggling and
just being like, "Oh, dude, what the
fuck?" You know what I mean? And so like
maybe KP is the same way, but her excuse
for her video's tone is the fact that
she has apparently never covered
situations like this before on her
channel.
This is a lie. This is an objective lie.
The Lily Orchard video she made was over
a year ago, and Lily has done way worse
things. And what's interesting with the
Lily Orchard video was that the editing
and the presentation style is virtually
the same as the DA Games and Sabers
Spark video, albeit the former is way
more over the top. It's like a dial
being turned way the [\h__\h] up in like a
span of a year. Beastiality porn
commissioned by miners, flashing your
tits on YouTube, which is against
YouTube terms of service, incest
shipping, pretending in [\h__\h] and
the list goes on and on and on and on. I
have chosen not to keep this person
anonymous because I believe this is not
a mistake or a slip of the tongue. This
is an active attempt of slander and
misogyny and that's just not acceptable.
So, I guess I can understand why she
thought the tone was fine given that
like this is just how all of her videos
are presented. And if it wasn't a
problem, then why would she believe it's
an issue with this coverage? The issue
is that this video should have never
been presented in the first place,
especially paired with the Sabers Spark
allegations, given she had only learned
of these allegations by March.
Reminder, this video came out in May and
she had been working on it for half a
year. What we know now is that the
allegations were passed down from Amy
New to Bonk to KP. Amy New is friends
with Emily Jones who backed up the
allegation on Twitter and Blue Sky. I
have personally been friends with the
victim for over 10 plus years. I was at
Canterlock Gardens and witnessed them
both together. If my words mean
anything, I believe them. I have nothing
to gain from this. I just want my friend
to be believed. That's interesting, Amy,
because when asked directly, when was
the first time you heard of the
allegations? You said it was March 25th
of this year. So, which is it? Did you
witness them together 10 years ago, or
were you only aware of this situation by
March? Then, Bonk was given the story,
but was busy with other things. And
since he was already in KP's Discord
server, he thought it would just be
better to hand it off to her as she was
already in the process of making a video
on Saber Spark anyways. So, it all was
just really convenient. After the video
was posted and then removed, the first
of my many calls throughout this began
with first speaking to KP directly about
what happened on May 3rd with Phineas in
this call. Enter gave me a list of
questions to ask since he was already
curious about the situation and one of
the questions was how long exactly was
this video in production. I took notes
and I summed up everything that was said
during the call and the answer KP gave
was discussion on Gabe Saber and Chris
has been around for well over a year.
This is in regards to like talks in her
Discord server. However, the discussion
to actually make a video on DA Games was
in September 2024. In March of 2025,
Bonk got KP in contact with Saber's
victim. The video was premiered May 1st,
2025. She also confirmed that the focus
with her video was DA Games initially,
and Saber would be added as another
example of him defending shady people,
similar to the Black Griffin story.
However, when she got this information
by March, she decided her new strategy
for the video was to add the allegation
as a way to blindside Sabers Spark so
that he had no time to reply to the
allegations. One of the other
contentions brought up against this
video is how obvious it was that it was
supposed to be a DA Games video and the
Saber Spark allegations were just
shoehorned in at the very end. I think
KP did have every intention to talk
about Saber Spark in this video,
irregardless if these allegations were
there or not. And the reason I believe
this is because KP's video centers
around and has seemingly been always
about one person,
aficionado Chris. Chris was a team
member roughly from 2014 to 2015. Chris
was generally a nice guy in my time
knowing him.
Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris,
Chris, Chris. And for the record, I
assume Chris knew he was being recorded
because it was a call about safety. It
only gets worse from here. It's what she
presents at the very start of this
video. It's what she presented to me
when I asked for context on what I was
reading and what the video was about.
It's not that the video was about DA
Games or Sabers Spark. It was about
Chris. It's always been about Chris.
Sabers Spark and DA Games were related
by employment and KP is also related to
Chris via past collaborations. The
difference being KP cut Chris out of her
life for what I think are fair enough
reasons. And Sabers Spark and DA Games
didn't. And that really can be what this
all attributes to. KP made this video
purely because she was angry that Chris
was still getting work even after what
he did to her. And I mean, you know,
given Saber Spark's response video, if
you just base her intent on that, you
could just see that as the main reason,
but I I still think it goes a little
deeper than that, which I will present
throughout this section. This was
something that Mr. Enter brings up in
his video. So, I'm just going to, you
know, copy paste what his point was, but
all of the random ass memes and skits
and jokes wouldn't even be a problem if
this video had proper flow. Like,
please explain to me what Jerry Seinfeld
dating a 17-year-old and Trump's grabber
by the [\h__\h] tape and Lily Orchard being
tacked on at the very end. What the [\h__\h]
does that have anything to do with
anything? The 2016 leak of the Hollywood
Access tape was a big deal. In a bus, we
have an orange man who shall not be
named. Orange man was talking about
women in an inappropriate way. Google it
if you want to. This whole script is
giving me a [\h__\h] headache. I guess
you can be Jerry Seinfeld, who dated a
17-year-old when he was 38.
So, uh, what are you going to do later?
I got a date with Nikki.
Oh, yeah. She's a beauty.
And she's also 17. Bold and beautiful.
Part six. [\h__\h] on Lily Orchard
because it's fun.
To understand just how bad the flow was
in this video. In the process of all of
this, I watched this video twice. once
after it was privated and re-uploaded
and again to take notes as I do with a
lot of my research. And even with my
notes,
I still have no idea what the
allegations against Will Ryan are.
Something about dating a minor when he
was in his early 20s or something. I
have no [\h__\h] idea. I don't even know
who these people are. I I think they're
related to the DA game stuff, but I
honestly I don't know what the [\h__\h] this
interview is about. I'm sure it's
important, and I am so sorry if I'm
being dismissive, but I I genuinely
don't know who the [\h__\h] this is. These
interviews are just they're so bad. And
this is coming from someone who is
really, really bad at interviews.
Clearly, there's also the issue with
content theft, as a portion of this
video is dedicated to a SnapCube meme of
Eggman pissing on the moon.
I've come to make an announcement.
Shadow the Hedgehog is a [\h__\h] ass
[\h__\h] which, you know, in
hindsight, given we know who the victim
is now,
a Sonic meme, more specifically an
Eggman meme that is being used as the
audio for the man that is alleged to
have sexually assaulted Emmy Jones, who
is a Sonic content creator, who has
worked with the voice of Eggman
directly. Like, oh, oh my god. And you
knew it was her the whole [\h__\h] time,
too. What the [\h__\h]
When When did you know?
When did I know it was Emmy?
Yes.
At the beginning.
Right. Okay.
And weirder even, the audio is a fandub
of a fan. And the cosplayer who was
behind this audio wasn't even alerted
that his read of this meme was used in
this at all. He was never asked for
permission or knew what his cosplay
video was being perverted into. So, on
top of making a rape allegation with
victim testimony and literally nothing
else, KP is a thief on top of that. The
one thing about this video I cannot seem
to figure out is who exactly saw this
video before it was released. Now, in
retrospect, this isn't really indicative
of like anything important because even
if KP had let people see this video
beforehand for like the sake of
constructive criticism, she's already
shown me that she was never going to
take any advice from anyone, even when
it's coming directly from Lio Convoy,
telling her not to include the Sabers
Spark allegations until a police report
is filed. then that needs to be handled
by the cops like period
like 100% period that that needs a
police report filed today. Here's the
problem though uh with that inherently.
If that did happen and Saber did do
that, he will by nature know who it is.
So if it gets out in any way, shape or
form and a police report hasn't been
filed, she's going to be at risk. Like
that's just the truth of the matter in
this. And it's unpleasant. It's ugly,
but that's the truth.
KP went ahead and did it anyways. So,
who saw this video beforehand only is
really like a curiosity thing at this
point of like who signed off on this and
who thought it was a good idea. So, this
is a question that was asked in the
first call with Enter's questionnaire
and this was the answer that I got. Two
people looked over the script, KP and
one of her Discord mods, who was also a
CSA survivor. Given that this mod had
been a fan of KP watching their content
for a bit, the tone of the script and
its structure wasn't something they were
unfamiliar with. How KP presented the
video is similar to how her other videos
are like. Plus, the biases there being a
mod and a fan. Who saw the video is
dependent on who actually reviewed it or
not. Lyall Convoy and Courtney Pete were
sent the video ahead of its live
premiere. Neither of which watched it
beforehand or gave feedback, which is
weird because Courtney was in the video.
She apparently never watched beforehand.
Saber's victim watched it beforehand and
had no issues with the video. A couple
of victims of DA game staff also saw it
and gave some notes. There was a point
24 hours before the video was supposed
to go live where the victim that viewed
the video requested a change that they
were able to adhere to, but that was
pretty much it. When asking Emily
directly on her burner account, she does
claim to have at least seen part of the
video beforehand. She says, quote, "KP
sent me the bits related to consent and
stuff. I don't want to cause any issues.
During a large portion of this, I had a
kidney injury and was hospitalized like
every other day needing fluids because I
do have an eating disorder. KP tried
getting me into a call to show me the
entire video for days, but I was so
overwhelmed with the frequent hospital
trips that I struggled getting back to
her. Eventually, I joined a call and was
primarily muted and not paying attention
until I got to what I felt was the most
important bits, which was my own parts.
So, I didn't really see the other bits
all too much. Respectfully, I just
didn't have the mental capacity for
everything else. When we reference the
chats between Emily Jones on her main
Discord account and KP, there does
appear to be an interaction where KP
sends her a Google Drive link and Emily
replies, "That video made me cry. No
joke. Thank you."
Now, could it be possible that like the
Google Drive link was just her segment
of the video like she claims? Sure, it
could be. But there's also the fact that
KP wanted to show Emily the video full
on call for days. Eventually, I joined a
call and was primarily muted and not
paying much attention until I got to
what I felt was the most important bit,
which was my own parts. So, I really
didn't see the other bits all too much.
This isn't a straight answer of whether
or not Emily saw the whole video or not.
KP claims that she did. Emily claims she
only saw a portion. The chats don't
confirm one way or another. What I can
say for absolute certainty is that Lio
did not watch the video beforehand and
was only sent a first draft and not the
final product. Bonk didn't see it
either, giving feedback as he watched it
live. Many of the voice actors,
including myself, never saw it
beforehand. Hell, I wasn't even alerted
to the video's live premiere until it
was already privatized and removed. I
didn't even know this video went up. And
for whatever odd reason, despite having
a dedicated section, Courtney didn't
watch the video either. And yet,
Courtney had the audacity to tell a CSA
survivor, giving constructive criticism
in the video's live premiere chat that
they were only here to complain and to
just don't watch if, you know, like.
Courtney Pete especially has been
pissing me the [\h__\h] off because her and
KP tried dragging me into like the Sai
and Anthony spat that they were all in
because Anthony and her both liked my
Black Griffin video.
No, I am not kidding. Courtney is that
petty and petulant. This girl thinks
that she is some sort of ultra
cryptoadarian of how all sexual assault
survivors are supposed to act and feel
all because her sister is one of the
most well-known sex pests to ever exist
online. Either way, her breaking down
after the cop and see video is very
funny. Oh, and this within those first
few days in witnessing the fallout of
this hit piece, my thought process at
the time came to two conclusions.
If this victim is lying about this, KP
tried to ruin Saber Spark's career and
hype up his downfall all on the basis of
a lie. A line which she trusted and
wholeheartedly believed, sure, but could
have been easily debunked through having
any conversation with Saber Spark or
listening to Casey Fish. KP and Saber
Spark's shared mutual friend, who told
KP not to go through with this. Plus, KP
never bothered to do any background
check on the accuser until after this
video had already made a splash online,
something she absolutely could have done
way before. Finding out who Emmy Jones
is and her past controversies could have
maybe made KP reconsider. But no, she
didn't do any of this and was so eager
to get this content out there to
blindside Sabers Spark, which gives an
unfair chance to both parties, both
Saberspark and Emmy Jones, to present
their case online. if this victim is
telling the truth and her experiences
with Sabers Spark was what she alleges
it was. KP does a massive disservice to
them by having their allegations tied to
this horrible video and their
allegations just being like a footnote
in comparison to everything else. It
takes what once was her story and
utilizes it as a weapon armed by KP to
go on her little revenge tour. Like
either way, regardless of the validity
of this allegation, KP is cooked. Her
motivations are not out of genuine
concern and care for Emily. They're
about getting even. In addition to the
weight and height difference addition,
KP also adds this little bit. I was not
made aware of his jokes about consent
and his recent behavior involving Chris
until only recently, and it left my
stomach in knots. KP wanted Emily's
statement to include talking about
Chris, despite that really having
nothing to do with Emily Jones at all.
It's almost like KP wanted Officionado's
Chris and Sabers Spark to be the reason
why Emily came forward. Emily even cites
Sabers's fight with KP on Twitter as an
example of Steven utilizing his fan base
and his influence to go after people and
why she was so afraid to go public with
her allegation. Now, it's already been
explained by Enter how this isn't really
a good example and would almost be
impossible for Emily to see given that
she didn't follow KP or Sabers Spark.
But I can only assume that she said this
because KP probably mentioned her
fallout with Sabers Spark and showed her
these tweets. And it's not like this
interaction was all that long ago. It
was November 15th, 2024, early into the
video's production. AP really wanted
Chris to be the straw that broke Emily's
back. That finally encouraged her to
come forward about Sabers Spark. That
somehow their public fighting made her
go, "I can't deal with this anymore. I
need to say something. I need to get a
hold of KP and tell her my story." When
that's not true. I know it's not true
because Emily told me straight up the
reason she came forward was because of
everything surrounding Black Griffin.
She even cited my video as the thing
that triggered her so much and pushed
her over the edge. And when speaking to
Amy New, the first person that she
recommended was not KP because spoiler
alert, uh Amy New and KP [\h__\h] hate
each other, but it was Bonk, the guy
spearheading the Black Griffin story
because the Black Griffin story was what
made her want to come forward in the
first place. So, she goes to the guy
who's talking about the Black Griffin
story the most. At best, KP was
drastically overconfident, way in over
her head, and was so convinced what she
was doing was right that she went
against what her colleagues were telling
her, and even was willing to burn down a
bridge with her old friend Casey because
she really thought that Emily needed her
activism and support more than anything
else. At worst, she was so angry about
the Chris thing that when she found out
about Emily's accusation, she used that
as the nail in Saber's coffin. Finally
having another excuse besides an
employment quarrel to go on this crusade
to take Saber down. And I should
reiterate, this was a crusade. It's one
that Bonk was also just as determined to
succeed in. And he makes very clear his
intentions in the DMs between himself
and KP. Hopefully with the newest of
Griffin's victims sharing their story,
her story paired with yours further
cements Saber's fall from fame. These
frat bros from Brony's React were all
far worse than I could have ever
imagined and need not to have an
audience. And you know what the [\h__\h]
up part about all of this is? Without
Emily's allegation, KP does at least
have a reasonable complaint against
Saber Spark. They were once friends in
the brony sphere. close enough that
Saber even came to her home and met her
family. This was while KP was still in
college. In 2015, during Everree
Northwest, KP and afficionados Chris
attend and share a hotel room together
alongside with two other people. Chris
circulates this story that at this
convention, he masturbated in the shared
bathroom of this hotel room. He finishes
all over the bathroom. He has a bout of
lightadedness and then he lands in KP's
dirty laundry. This is sexual
harassment, point blank, period. And
it's a story KP wouldn't hear about
until years after the fact, despite
considering Chris to be one of her
friends. In the years since, Saber has
hired Chris along with DA Games as an
editor/team member. This becomes a
conflict of interest for KP as her once
old friend gave a job to her sexual
harasser. the guy who sexually harassed
her is now working with one of the
biggest influences in the content space.
Not to mention, at the same time that
she's learning about this story, the DA
Games document drops where Chris is
alleged to have shared Lollcon with
Will. When confronted about this
information, Saber gets in a heated
argument on Twitter with KP, calling her
a liar, who records people without
consent, even going as far as to say
that KP and Chris ended things on
friendly terms. KP doesn't have the
right to complain about who he hires
personally, especially over [\h__\h]
that happened a decade ago. I hope
Sabers Spark understands that one,
forgiveness can be revoked, and two,
given that Chris is alleged in the DA
Games document to have also been sharing
Lollcon with his boss, Will, I don't
necessarily blame KP for revoking
whatever forgiveness she gave in this
call, which by the way, that forgiveness
sounds like this.
All right. Um, so I don't really have
anything else that I feel comfortable
saying at this point, but you know, I
just I'll just leave with uh good luck
and may God have mercy on your soul. Um,
and you know, this too shall pass. Okay.
All those things. So yeah. Okay.
Thank you.
All right. Well, have a good night. Um,
and um, I think this is I'm going to
limit my my um, communication with you
for obvious reasons, but um,
no, that's perfectly reasonable. And I
understand.
Okay. Well, all right. Well, I
appreciate you talking to me. Okay.
I appreciate the same. You you be in
good health.
Yeah. Yeah. I I'm I'm fine. I'm I'm much
healthier, but it took a very long time
for me to get here. Lots of lots of very
deep trauma therapy.
And I'm very sorry you had to go through
that. I know what it's like. I I I I
appreciate it, but you know, like you
know, it's just it's it's I mean, it's
not something I started talking about to
relatively le recently, but it really
[\h__\h] up my my relationship with my
family or at least complicated it. And,
you know, it's been it's been harder
than I've let on publicly. So, I
appreciate you saying that.
So, in her perspective, Chris doesn't
appear to have made an effort to
actually change three years after doing
some creepy weirdo [\h__\h] to her. And if
KP's video was everything I just
presented, if she had just been like,
"Hi guys, this guy Chris used to
volunteer to work on my videos. He used
to be a friend until he told this story
about jacking off and falling into my
dirty laundry. He also shared Lollcon
with Will from DA Games. I used to be
friends with Sabers Spark. But since he
hired the guy that told a bunch of
people that he did this to me and who
also liked Lollcon, we're no longer
friends. I think it's pretty shitty that
he would employ and stand by a sex pest
instead of stand by women.
End of video. Like and subscribe. I
don't think a lot of people would
disagree. Some people actually think
this is still a valid criticism like
Jenny Nicholson. And it's like, yeah, I
get it. Especially given the lollycon
stuff between him and Will standing by
this guy. Even still, I don't blame KP
for getting triggered by this,
especially since the DA Games document
that's alleging all this stuff that
Chris has done came out October of 2024
when the idea for this video was
conceived. That's probably when KP
revoked her original forgiveness when
she learned that Chris did these things
that were just beyond sexual harassment
of herself. I don't know, maybe she has
the right to start complaining again.
And if this is truly her reasoning in
revoking that forgiveness, I get it. But
we aren't in that hypothetical reality I
just made up. We are here in this one
where everything sucks ass for having
any involvement in this video at all.
I'm really, really sorry. I thought it
was going to be harmless. I was doing it
at the behest of a friend of a friend.
Although my part was minor, as in just
one line read, it was still dangerous,
irresponsible, and reckless of KP to
release that video at all. And I feel
guilty by proxy of that video. I should
have absolutely asked more questions,
done something more when KP dropped this
allegation on me out of nowhere, and
should have seen red flags in the lack
of communication upon the release of
this video. And for all of that, I'm
deeply sorry. I should have never even
entertained it. But KP's video is not
where this ends. Far from it. If you've
seen Enter's video, it pretty much goes
over the aftermath of everything. But
I'll go through it really, really fast.
There's one thing that's of a fairly
universal opinion. We should be focusing
on the actual allegations and not the
video. That was, for all intents and
purposes, a complete and utter train
wreck. May 5th is when we were able to
get in contact with Emily via her alt
Discord account, Sunspecs. I wanted to
get in contact with her to tell her how
sorry I was for being a part of KP's
video. And I would stand by and believe
her should her accusation against Steven
be accurate. Plus, after the release of
KP's video, many people speculated that
because Emily was anonymous, that she
didn't actually exist and that this
victim was just a manifestation of KP
and Bonk. So, being able to talk to
Emily was important to verify that this
is a real victim that does in fact exist
and is making an actual allegation. And
it wasn't just something that KP pulled
out of her ass. That's when we started
asking verifying questions. Enter was
invited to the group chat later that
same day, and Emily presented us with
con footage from Canerlock Gardens 2012
and EQLA 2012, dates and times to set a
timeline, proof of purchase of tickets
for those cons, and her full story of
the two events. She also provided old
messages from her friends of her opening
up about being sexually assaulted by
Saber all the way back in 2018. She even
mentions in a notes app/s suicide vent
note in 2023 that she was sexually
assaulted by Saberspark. And if Jessa is
to be believed, even as far back as
2013, Emily was telling them that Saber
raped her. More specifically, it was in
their shared hotel room at Cutie Mark
Con from May 31st to June 2nd.
Throughout the course of our
conversation, there were two things that
we can most definitely prove. We can
prove that Saber and Emily were in
attendance at these conventions through
both footage and on their Twitter
timelines at the time. There is no doubt
that they ran in the same circles as
Casey Fish and AC Racebest were both in
her Skype contacts. And these are some
of Saber's oldest friends. Emily appears
briefly in convention footage alongside
the Everfree radio group and once dated
Brony Animator Soul Rack or Yaplab from
2012 to 2016. There's no doubt that
Emily and Sabre knew each other through
their shared friend group, but that's
all we really could prove. The story was
still just a he said, she said. The
problem we faced is if her story
remained consistent. There were two
things that made us originally doubt
her. Her online history and
discrepancies in her story. So, let's
start with how we found out who Suspects
actually was. Emily was very hesitant to
directly tell us who she was, but it was
very hard to figure out like whether any
of this con footage that she was giving
us was even relevant if she wasn't
upfront with who she is. So, she did
agree to tell us her first name when
giving us her own con footage as
evidence. She sent an old vlog clip via
Dropbox which gave us her full legal
name. From there, Phineas and Enter did
a background check and found that she
was actually a YouTuber herself with a
long history spanning even longer than
Mr. Enter. Around the time that we
figured this out, Reddit figured it out
and KP was also figuring things out as
well through a video documentary by
Lance Jerkov called The Queen Falls,
Emmy Jones or Emily Jones exposed, which
KP posted in Lio Convoy's cat server.
This resulted in a call between myself,
KP, and Enter. When Enter and I
discussed the true identity of Sunspecs,
KP claimed to have not watched Lance's
video. She just posted it in cat server
without watching it. But the perception
she got was that the video was a bunch
of petty [\h__\h] So, I watched the
video and I took notes and presented
what was being levied against Emmy
Jones. And the picture that Lance paints
is very, very bad of Emily's character.
I'm talking sex scandals, cheating
allegations, Dr. Phil claiming someone
didn't have brain cancer, not paying
Mike Pollock, weaponizing her audience
in targeted harassment campaigns, some
dude claiming that Emily wanted his
babies and lied about her age just to
sleep with him when she was a minor and
he was a grown ass adult, and even
covering up a sexual assault. and so so
much more. Needless to say, this did not
present a good character of Emily Jones.
And if she was already riddled in this
much controversy, these many sex
scandals where she comes out of it
looking like a manipulator, a [\h__\h] and
a crazy person.
Why would Saber Spark be any different?
Now, let's talk about the discrepancies
in her testimonies that drove me up the
[\h__\h] wall. As much as I wanted to
believe this girl, this was the one
thing that made me really question if I
was dealing with a liar or not. The cell
phone discrepancy. Emily claims to have
been texted by Sabers at 1000 p.m. to
meet up in the hotel lobby, but his
phone was apparently dead according to
the con footage.
Your phone died.
Why would it do that?
Plug it in last night. I went through
the entirety of the EQLA footage, all
two to three hours of this mega
compilation. I made notes of every
notable moment I thought was relevant
compared to what was posted to Twitter
between both Saber and Emily. This
process took 2 days. The only thing that
exonerated Emily was the fact that the
time zone wasn't accounted for, which
placed this tweet by Saber at 9:59 p.m.
California time when his cell phone is
charged and he posted this. So the 1000
p.m. time that Emily gave us that she
stuck to even when I interrogated her
about it and told her it didn't make any
sense was actually consistent when
adjusted for California time. And even
with Saber on the record, he says things
that are consistent with Emily's story.
Texting Emily to meet him at the lobby.
Yeah, that was true. The fact that he
had a sexual encounter with Emily at
all, for sure that does line up. But,
you know, in retrospect, that's at least
somewhat satisfactory considering that
like could you imagine, right, if Emily
had made this allegation and Saber's
rebuttal was like, "I've never had sex
with this person in my life." That'd be
crazy. I think there is one thing about
Emily's testimony that doesn't add up
that I will even go so far as to say it
was a straightup lie told straight to my
face. But we'll talk about that when we
get there. We need to talk about what KP
did behind the scenes that made me blow
up on her. Enter and I sat down with KP
May 8th. Funny side note about that
call. She was trying to get Lyall Convoy
to jump in the call with us despite the
fact that both Enter and myself said
that we didn't want him to be there. We
talked about what was alleged against
Emily and how we found out who she
actually was through the Dropbox. KP was
pissed and admittedly, this is where I
might have [\h__\h] up a little bit. I was
trying to validate KP's like anger and
concern. She was upset that Emily might
have lied to her, that she has a history
that she didn't know about. and I told
her that I too would also be very upset
if I put my career at risk for someone
that might have lied to me. What we
agreed to do that night was that myself
and KP would speak to Emily and tell her
what we found out about her and let her
down easy on how like the Enter video
was going to have to go into a different
direction. Because the thing is, Enter
could not ignore the fact that like
Reddit had already found out who they
were and she has all of these other
controversies that he can't just pretend
don't exist. So KP had a plan to talk to
Emily. I told her I would assist in this
call with her just to set up the group
chat and let's make this happen. You
know, let's voice our concerns with this
Emily Jones. Now, I didn't know this
until the next day, but KP apparently
was in contact with Emily's main Discord
account the entire time. The whole time
that I have been trying to talk to Emily
via her burner account, which is not her
immediate direct line of communication,
she answers her main account more than
her burner. So, while I can't get an
answer from the only contact line I
have, KP had a direct line the entire
time, which was so awesome. So, because
Emily was in and out of the hospital,
she wasn't super responsive to either
myself or KP both on her main and on her
burner account. So, KP was getting
really uneasy that Emily basically
dipped the internet or something. So,
what she tried to do was get Lyall
Convoy to have a confrontation with her
on May 9th, despite the fact that KP and
I literally both agreed that we would do
this together. Lyle, send her this. Hi.
Look, we know it's you, Emily. At this
point, you can either come clean and
talk to me and an associate of mine or
this is going to spiral. Now, as
threatening as this sounds, I actually
have to defend Lyall here. So, my buddy
that creepy reading or TCR as you all
have already been well acquainted to on
this channel, he's been friends with
Lyall Convoy for a very long time. He
spoke to him and confirmed that Lio
Convoy was not aware that KP was in
contact with the Emu Emmy account. He
only learned that KP knew the entire
time during the Becca interview. So,
when Becket asked her this,
"When did you know?"
When did I know it was Emmy?
Yes. at the beginning.
That apparently was the first time that
Lyall had heard that information. So,
him doing this was out of the assumption
that KP just discovered who she actually
was despite her knowing the entire time.
And then KP later sends her this. Okay,
Emmy, I'll be honest. From my
understanding, you shared a Dropbox file
with Lazy and Lazy and your [\h__\h] name
was on it. I don't know if you're aware
of that, but that's direct confirmation.
So, I'm at the point where my reputation
is on the line because of you. And I
feel like an idiot because of you. And
you can help me clean up this mess
and get in a call and tell your side of
the story or this is going to blow up in
your face because people have already
figured out it's you. based on that
mistake.
And I'm [\h__\h] I'm [\h__\h] tired
because the things that have been
pointed out to me is that you have your
own platform. You know, people you knew
going in that people were going to
figure it out. Maybe not this quickly,
maybe not by your mistake, but they did.
And you can be an adult and help me
clean up this mess,
or you can be a coward.
I'm not yelling at you. I'm not telling
you what to do,
but you have put me, you've put people
that are in the video in a very
difficult and dangerous p um position.
And I don't think you really understand
that.
And so I'm at the I'm at the point where
I talk to this guy, Becket,
and he says that you can you have the
chance right now to tell your side of
the story
in a call with me or with Lazy or with
him or with someone or people are going
to villainize you.
And that's where we're at.
And none of like the things that that
have been pointed out to me doesn't
doesn't make any sense.
The timeline is questionable.
The only people that vouched for you
were Brony and Amy and Sophie. And Amy
won't even [\h__\h] talk to me.
So, I'm not telling you what to do, but
I'm being real with you. It's it's it's
it's
[\h__\h] you're you're [\h__\h] one way or
the other.
So, make a decision soon or I will
publicly confirm it was you. You have 24
hours. So, needless to say, this scared
the [\h__\h] out of Emily. Stupider even. Uh
KP also sent the victim this where she
is literally shown coaching Lio on what
to say. Just like, okay, I understand.
I'm just worried about her. Sorry if I
sounded threatening before. That was
just a guess. Give it a sec. Hey, I
talked to the victim and she really
doesn't want to talk to you. Is that
okay? All right, I understand. I'm just
worried about her. I'm sorry if I
sounded threatening before. That was
just a guess. So, this is when I lost my
collective [\h__\h] I screamed at KP on
call and over text. And look, I must
admit, my behavior on that call was
not good. I'm not proud of that
confrontation. I'm not somebody who
likes to yell at people. Like I It takes
a lot to get me to get that angry at
somebody.
And I don't like how I behaved on that
call. I I don't like how I behaved even
within the text messages themselves. I
just I know I probably could have
handled myself better and I I absolutely
should have and I'm sorry. It's just I
was I was so frustrated and at that
point I was just I was just so over it.
So, I had to go ahead and do this
confrontation all on my own because KP
scared the [\h__\h] out of this girl. And
like I said, I'm not a confrontational
person. This was just supposed to be
like a sit down talk with the three of
us discussing her reputation and how
that has affected all of our working
relationships going forward. And I
somehow have to do that by myself. And
just due to the stress of everything KP
was doing behind the scenes [\h__\h] this
over for me, that call did not go well.
It sort of did kind of I'll explain.
That call was weird. I told her that her
background check came up with all of
this stuff and we as a team have to go
in a different direction because we
can't just ignore this stuff. And it
made it sound like we were just going to
toss her to the side and expose her or
something when that's not what I was
trying to say at all. I was saying, you
know, with the Reddit post and now
everyone knowing who she was at that
point and all of these other
controversies are being pointed to to
disprove her story and we can't just
pretend that that doesn't exist. We
can't keep her anonymous anymore. Like,
we have to talk about this. And we did.
She sat down with me and she went
through each and every controversy and
provided proof of her side of the story.
All of which is now available on Enter's
channel via a final interview where she
goes over everything that's basically
within the Lance video and like other
rumors on Reddit and Kiwi Farms that we
had to talk about. It's 3 hours long and
it has all of her receipts in it. And
after we talked, I apologized to Emily
if the situation was presented in any
way like I was trying to interrogate her
or was being aggressive because that's
not what I was trying to do. I was just
so stressed out with everything KP was
doing that having to do this by myself.
I was just
I didn't I didn't conduct I just didn't
conduct myself the way I wanted to. It
made me feel like a like an [\h__\h] It
made me feel like an [\h__\h] I was
trying to be as gentle as I could and I
had tried to do this with others to
support me because I'm not a
confrontational person. It was, you
know, at least a very productive
conversation which was good. I just wish
I had handled things a lot better.
However, this still seemed to have
freaked Emily out. Despite the apologies
and, you know, talking things out
privately like adults, she went to Bonk,
which then proceeded to the Twitter
thread where Bonka essentially throws me
under the bus. Also, he threw KP under
the bus right after her video was
removed. So, they're not on good terms
anymore. Bonk claims that I'm some sort
of drama YouTuber who threw allegations
about Emily in her face. He also claims
that this video that apparently I was
making was going to paint Emily in a bad
light. First of all, I was never making
the video. Enter was. And Bonk knew
that. He's been in contact with Mr.
Enter since May 5th. And Enter tells him
exactly how his video is going to be
structured. What I'm planning on doing
for the video is fully establishing the
Saber Spark stuff, the victim's
allegation, and the end of the video
will go into details about KP's
mishandling of the situation. End slash
third act, something like that. The only
reason I could assume that Bonk would
assume that it was me making the video,
to be candid, it's because he's [\h__\h]
stupid. Bonk talks like he knows 100% of
the story when he only really knows like
half. He wasn't there. He doesn't know
what was said or what Emily and I talked
about. He's literally just making [\h__\h]
up. He also posted KP's threat to his
social media, which Emily asked him not
to do, and he just did it anyway. The
same day after crashing the [\h__\h] out and
getting all pissy that people were
telling him to not rely on him and
actually rely on good resources like
rain. After much scrutiny, he tried
throwing himself off a bridge, cursing
my name and everyone calling him out. I
know a lot of people were genuinely
concerned with Bonk's behavior and his
ideation. I have no doubt that he is
suicidal. He has said as such. This was
a scary time for everyone. And I I want
to say this regardless of how Bonk has
treated me. I don't wish him harm to
himself and I don't wish him death. And
I don't wish him like any ill will. I
just think he fails to understand why
the internet is being so hostile towards
him. But we can discuss that in the
final part. So since we cleared all of
that up, uh we were still pondering on
like what the hell are we going to do?
Even with Emily's past controversies,
even if she took the L on any of them,
is that really enough to say that she
couldn't have been a victim?
I don't think so. And it's not like
Enter and I could actually prove like
that she was being deceptive. We
couldn't prove that her timeline was
wrong because there's footage and
there's even tweets to back it up. We
thought we proved her timeline wrong
with the phone discrepancy thing, but
then it turned out, oh, we just didn't
adjust the time zone. It was correct. I
admit her credibility due to all these
allegations isn't good, but does that
mean she's necessarily lying about this
specific thing? I don't know. I I can't
prove that she's lying. I tried to and
she turned out being right. Anyways, the
most Enter video could do at this point
is build a timeline so we can prove that
she's a real person that exists and was
friends with Steven. But that was pretty
much it. We would never know for
certain. And since it was an incident
over a decade ago and no one else was in
the room where it happened, the most we
could do is give everyone all the
information that we were able to find
out and have people come to their own
conclusions. We couldn't say outright
one way or another if Emily was telling
the truth. But we can give people beyond
just the one testimony and the timeline
of events that led to the victim making
her claims. we can basically build like
a much broader picture than KP had built
so that people at least had more to work
with and more to actually come to a
relatively educated like conclusion on
what they thought about this whole
thing. Now, I'm sure you're probably
wondering why we didn't speak to Sabers
Spark himself. And to answer this
question, we need to talk about Becket.
Lacy, do you want to come on and be a
purity uh be a purity test and be a
palette cleanser? I haven't spoken to
Lazy Bed Head in like a like a couple of
days. We can be bees. Lazy. Hey, Lazy.
How d
have you been doing?
I just jumped in and you're having an
argument. So, I admit there was a
hesitancy to speak to Copen Se.
He wanted to get a hold of me at some
point, but I was just so wrapped up with
talking to KP, talking to Mr. Enter,
talking to Enter's team, everyone on
there. I just I didn't want to squeeze
another name in the pile of social
interactions that I would have to
endure. Plus, you know, Becca can attest
to this because we literally joked about
this, but like he and I get
characterized and like grouped into like
different sides of the YouTube
commentary spectrum. I usually get
categorized in the more like sympathetic
side to commentary and like believing in
victims and hearing people out. Um,
meanwhile,
Becket gets categorized on like the
commentary bros sphere and
rape review.
Ultimate rape review.
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[Music]
Oh my goodness.
So obviously there's some tension there,
but what I would describe Becket more so
is like a mix of like commentary bro and
art CC. He kind of he stands out like a
sore thumb because he's not like a ride
or die for these people. If they're
being dicks, he's going to call that
[\h__\h] out. It doesn't matter if they're
acquaintances or even close friends or
not. If they're being stupid, Becket
talks about how they're being stupid.
You can see that in the ways that he
talks about Lyall Convoy. Sure, he comes
to Lyle's defense a lot. these days. But
their whole friendship started out with
him being very critical of Lyall Convoy.
And he's still critical of Lyall and
stuff that he's doing on Twitter to this
very day, despite the fact that they're
friendly with each other. But aside
from, you know, breaking that barrier,
there was one other thing that made me
hesitant about speaking to Becca.
Emily's partner Cameron, who I've also
spoken to like once or twice during the
duration of everything. He made the
claim that during Bonk's attempt on live
stream, Becket was in the live chat
telling him to jump. I did ask Becket
directly about this and it's not true.
He didn't do this. In fact, when I asked
him about this, he was actually pretty
offended. Like, he wasn't mad at me. He
was just really confused. Based on our
conversations, it just doesn't seem like
he would joke about that kind of stuff.
Maybe he said something like along the
lines of, "Oh, I would kill myself or I
want to kill myself." Like that's an
ongoing joke in his community, but like
I I do the same [\h__\h] too. We're just
joking about committing self-end on
ourselves, not wishing that on other
people. Regardless, before speaking to
Becca, I had a poor perception of his
character that made me think, "Oh, why
should I talk to this guy? he's just
some contrarian [\h__\h] who doesn't care
about victims and just wants to like
troll and be a drama farmer. Who cares?
But after actually sitting down with
Beckett and talking to him for like
seven hours in our first conversation
we've ever had and even beyond that over
the course of like I don't know what I
want to think like two weeks or
something like that. Um we have come to
an understanding of each other. even
beyond us both working on the same
story. We would just kind of shoot the
[\h__\h] about other things. And I would
walk away from our calls feeling better,
feeling less anxious and worried. And I
know we already talked about this. His
video on me, it is what it is. It's
harsh. It's not very nice, but it was
humbling. It was necessary. Hell, I
mean, like, in retrospect, if you
actually watch it, it doesn't even talk
about me that much. The point is, I'm
very critical of other people on this
channel. If I can't handle it, I
shouldn't be dishing it out. It's just
that simple. I have to accept when I get
criticism, and I can't get pissy because
I criticize people all the time. And
besides, Becket may have been critical
of my work, but before reducing his
section on me, he had Anthony defend my
video in an interview that got cut when
we ended up talking things out. Now,
originally this section was much longer
and way more pissed off. I actually
included Anthony Grimolia giving a
defense of Lazy Bed Head just to provide
some kind of balance. But I have since
spoken to her at length both about the
Saber Spark allegations and the wider
story involving Black Griffin. And as
much of this section was directed
pointedly towards her, that feels a
little bit redundant at this point. Why
would he even listen to anyone who
thought my video was good if he thought
that I was malicious and awful? The
bottom line is despite what many would
suspect, like Beccan and I don't hate
each other. Hell, he was defending me in
the live chat of his premiere video, The
Shaming of Sabers Spark. He wanted to
know if I had received any harassment
because of that video so that he could
shoot it down. Does that sound like
someone who hates me or doesn't want me
represented fairly? Does that sound like
this heartless troll who laughs when
people are suicidal and just wants the
worst for everybody?
I I don't think so. Now, there are some
things that Begga does I don't
particularly agree with. He does pick on
Bonk a lot relentlessly. But to be fair,
Bonk claps back at him by calling him an
alt-right loser. And all I can say to
that is all's fair in Love and War. I
know Becca doesn't need me to help him.
He doesn't need me to defend his honor,
but I'm going to because I think this is
stupid. Bonk genuinely believes that
Beckett's YouTube name, Copen,
is an alt-right dog whistle.
No, I'm not kidding. Now, could some
right-wing jackass say Cope and Sean and
you know, Cope and Se lived hard on the
internet? Yeah, sure. But, dude, it's
it's just internet slang. Everybody has
said cop and before. Like it's like the
new deal with it or something. Plus, I
don't know if y'all know this or not,
but Copen and Steve, is owned by two
people. The other person, Jenny, is a
trans woman. Now, I know how this works.
I know Blair White exists. I know that's
not indicative of anything. Jenny has
even said some things I don't
necessarily agree with, but to be fair,
we all have to have our anti-SJW phase
at some point. I would know. I'm just
saying that I doubt Beckett would share
his login information with a transw
woman if he was actually alt-right.
Plus, these LGBTQ pride badges. Why
would a guy who is alt-right hang out
with Thumin and Truly, two black women
and leftists, I think? Why would he make
a video against just a robot, an
anti-SJW movie review bro or whatever he
is? Like this argument like falls apart
the moment you actually get to know
Beagot or even talk to him once, which
Bonk refuses to do. He refuses to watch
Copen Se's videos about himself or the
Saber Spark stuff to this day.
Regardless, when I spoke to Copen Se,
he'd been in contact with Saber Spark,
who was asking to be completely left off
the record.
Now, that conversation I had with Saber
Spark is unfortunately off the record.
but he doesn't feel comfortable at the
moment coming out and making random
public statements. And I'll be honest, I
do respect that decision. Saber was
still building up a case for a potential
lawsuit. And if you know anything about
the legal process, you need to shut the
[\h__\h] up. You can't be talking too much
to the public about your case because,
you know, if you share too much,
whatever evidence you provide to the
public can't be used in a courtroom
because it's already been under public
scrutiny. And whoever looks over the
evidence has to have an unbiased
perspective. So a judge and jury has to
be looking at this evidence for the
first time in a courtroom vetted by
lawyers,
not by Twitter. So we weren't sure if
he'd be willing to talk to us too much
because his response video seemed to be
the final time he was ever going to
speak on it. That was until Emily went
public with who she was, which was the
final push for Saber to go on record
with Becket. In a way, you know, as bad
as an interviewer as I am self-
admittedly, I'm glad that the interview
happened, it gave both Saber and Becket
something to compare and contrast with
what their side of the story was. They
had her on record, so now it was just
all a means of debunking her record.
Becket kept me in the loop the entire
time. He showed me the text messages. He
told me about the process of his
research, who he was talking to, who he
was able to get in touch with. And many
people would say that I'm biased for
doing this, that I shouldn't even be
giving Becket the time a day. I mean,
look how he handles himself on Twitter.
Look, he says the rword. Look, he's an
abbleist. Look, I don't agree with
everything Becca does, okay? The most
you can say about him is that he's a
dick. And he knows that. He says so
himself that he can be an [\h__\h] And
normally I don't like people that revel
in the fact that they're [\h__\h] who
only make content for entertainment.
However, when speaking to him one-
on-one, it did genuinely seem like he
cared about Saber in his situation. He
did seem passionate about the truth. So,
I can respect his pursuit of that whilst
also acknowledging that I can't control
how he conducts himself online. Like,
listen, the guy is 30 or something. He
pays his own bills and quidd. I can't
control his language and scrub his mouth
with soap when he uses a slur. I am not
his mother. Even if he is the biggest
[\h__\h] in the world, Becket is one
thing that Bonk and KP are not. He is
upfront and he's honest. Becket didn't
hide the fact that he didn't like my
video. He told me straight to my face
that he thought it was bad. I knew that
before his video came out because he's
not going to blindside me or [\h__\h]
me. He was upfront. He kept me up to
date and getting information from him
wasn't the equivalent of pulling my
teeth out. And I was some help to him,
too. He got to talk to Enter because I
recommended it. He got to talk to Emily
because I convinced her to have that
conversation. So, forgive me for working
with the alt-right douchebag Becket
instead of the guy who jerks it to Whoop
Master. My bad. So, let's talk about the
downfall of Emily Jones. Did we keep KP
in the loop with Becket's investigation?
No. And it felt shitty to do, but it was
necessary to do. After we told KP of the
Dropbox information, she immediately ran
to Copen, then told him all about it.
She also decided to use this Dropbox
docs as a threat against Emily. Even if
I did keep KP in the loop about
absolutely everything Becket was sharing
with me, there was no way I could trust
her not to run her mouth. So, I didn't
because I don't trust her. Despite my
best efforts in forming the timeline
based on con footage and tweets, there
was one piece of this puzzle that just
didn't fit in the picture at all. And
that piece was Emily pulling away from
Saberspark after EQLA 2012. Based on the
text message data that Saber was
fortunate enough to find, we can see
it's not true. Now, I should point this
out because I know this is an argument.
I know there are victims of rape who
will still remain cordial with their
rapist. I know people in my personal
life who still remain in contact or try
to remain on friendly terms with those
that have hurt them on the basis of
either keeping the peace or just being
in denial that they were ever hurt to
begin with. This does happen when
victims are in denial that they were
victimized. They'll try and maintain a
relationship with the person that hurt
them so that they don't have to face the
reality of what actually happened. And
if that was Emily's excuse, I'd
completely understand that. But that
wasn't her excuse. She claims to have
been a massive people pleaser, which I
mean, sure, I guess I can see that. But
aside from that, she also claims to have
forgotten about these text messages
entirely, which I find that really hard
to believe. I spoke to this girl for a
month. We asked her so many detailed
questions, so we had every inch of this
story down to a tea. She was able to
remember things about the cons and the
hotels from 10 years ago. She remembers
each and every controversy and had an
answer for all of her past internet
blunders. She remembered times and dates
and had an answer for everything
except for this. The one thing that
makes her narrative fall apart. She
coincidentally just forgets about it.
She pulled away from Saber after that
when the text messages clearly show that
that's just not true. Like her claim was
so heavily banking on the text message
data and the Skype blogs no longer
existing. And if she was honest about
that, I wouldn't be harping on it so
much. But it's the fact that she wasn't
honest. And now I feel like I should
have just stuck to thinking that she was
a deceptive liar just based on her
controversies. I want I want to go back
to that because I was right then. I was
correct. I just I didn't know it. But I
was correct in assuming that she was
lying. But I just didn't want to let her
down like KP already did. I didn't want
to do exactly what Bonk thought I was
going to do, which was, you know, make
drama content that paid her out to be
like a bad person. And after our
conversations, you know, despite her
flaws and her past internet drama, I
just I didn't think she was an awful
person. I mean, there's no such thing as
a perfect victim, but clearly
she lied to my face.
And that's so
it's so [\h__\h] infuriating. I couldn't
catch her in a lie, you know? I couldn't
prove that she was directly lying to my
face, but now I can prove it, and I'm
[\h__\h] pissed. I have taken time to
fully reflect on this entire situation
and it has been emotional and a very
major challenge. It has really shined a
spotlight on not only my understanding
on how everything has happened since my
first testimony being released, but also
especially regarding how I have carried
self-destructive habits with me into
adulthood that I have clung on to since
being a child. Not being able to
remember these moments of me betraying
myself through acting like I was not
only fine but even enjoy taking part in
these occurrences and reliving them
again when brought to my attention felt
extremely heavy on me as I sat with
myself asking why I needed to do this
for years. It isn't easy being eight and
feeling like the responsibility of your
entire life changing is on you if you
spoke up and told an adult what was
happening or being 12 worrying that if
you said something to the teacher as a
classmate assaults you that maybe you
would be the one to get in trouble
because you didn't understand. I didn't
want to confront that reality by telling
him and instead just played along
because for the longest time I remained
in spaces with people where I was not
wanted. I regret not expressing it and
regret putting myself in a space where I
shouldn't have stayed. While I still am
firm on consent not being given in these
two situations, I don't want Saber to
continue taking heat for what happened
because I really do not think he
realized this. I do still believe he
should have been careful and more
mindful about his approach when
interacting with me and communicating
clearly with me to make sure I wanted
these sexual encounters before
initiating them. It would have been much
easier to avoid them altogether, but
just as he could have done that, I could
have been more upfront by either telling
him or stop interacting entirely. I feel
really good about having a proper path
carved out for me when it comes to the
work I have to do to finally heal from
not only this situation, but other
sexual traumas I've endured. Healing is
something we need to take control of
ourselves because no one else is going
to do the work. While the people
pleasing was something I developed in a
time of need, I can't carry that with me
anymore. as an adult because it is no
longer serving me.
I saw the writing on the wall. So, I
decided to help those who were more
competent in getting the truth out there
because, you know, by that point, that's
all I gave a [\h__\h] about. And it sucked.
It It really [\h__\h] sucked to try and
help this person, befriend them
somewhat, actually get to know more
about them. And it all turned out to be
total [\h__\h] and having to feed her
off to Becket. That that sucked, too,
because I knew he was going to tell her
about the text messages and how her
story didn't add up. I knew that. I knew
that was going to happen. But I thought
maybe maybe she'd give him a better
explanation. Maybe she would say
something to Beckett that would change
his mind and change the narrative again
and we could all be on the same page.
And that
that didn't happen. I didn't get that. I
want to say this directly to Sabers
Spark. Um, I know I've spoken like
poorly of you in the past, so I
understand if you don't want to engage
my words. I have criticisms of you,
don't get me wrong. There are things we
don't agree on, but I think entertaining
Emily at all was a massive, massive
mistake. I'm really, really sorry. I
feel like I was lied to. I wanted to
believe this girl, but after hearing
your interview with Beckett, I think we
can at least agree we're on the same
page and saying that we don't we don't
want this whole thing to be like yet
another example of why people won't
speak out against their abusers. People
will point to this and be like, "Well,
remember the Saber Spark story? That's
why you should assume that people who
come out about this stuff are lying.
Look at what he had to go through." You
I don't I don't want this to be like
another slazo or a quite And clearly you
don't either. I don't like living in a
world where people lie about this
because, you know, it's rare and the
people who use these stories of false
accusations use them as cannon fodder to
put people down to discredit real
stories. And even systemically, credible
stories that don't amount to anything.
Like people who actually have been
violated have it so hard because it
feels like systemically everything is
against them and will side with the bad
guys which is why I was really happy
when you shared rain as a resource. It
it shows you care and for doubting that
at all. I'm really sorry. I mean at
least like the silver lining of this
insanity is that people know what rain
is. I mean, that was a really pleasant
surprise seeing that in Saber's video.
It just it felt so genuine to see that.
I hope that I can raise more money for
Rain in the future because they are a
really great resource. They have all the
stats and they work with so many
victims. They actually know their [\h__\h]
Unlike
Before we move on, I would like to read
this Discord message posted to KP's
community. I have asked you guys to stop
talking about this publicly in the
server. I don't know the exact specifics
of the new information, but what I do
know is there is a general implication
that there was some kind of sexual
encounter. And unless you were there or
someone recovers video footage of said
encounter, I'm stopping this in its
tracks. We as third party people can
never really know. Is the accuser
perfect? Doesn't seem like it. Is this
also leaning into some perfect victim
ideology? Absolutely. I understand some
parties are hurt by the situation, but
there can also be multiple parties hurt,
and I am tired of that not even being a
consideration. This is a complicated
situation where multiple things can be
true. [\h__\h] enough. I show you this
because I believe KP and Bonk are one
and the same. I know Becket claims that
based on his interactions that KP seems
remorseful.
This clearly shows that she's not, and
neither is Bonk. Both refuse to watch
Becket's content and listen to important
newfound information. Both are clearly
willing to double, triple, quadruple
down instead of just apologizing. Both
are annoying and both are willing to use
allegations as a weapon, serving as
terrible representations for victims. I
think the only way we can talk about
Bonk is to use him as an example of what
not to do if you want to fight for
victims. I swear to God, the only thing
that ages well in my Black Griffin video
is the Bonk segment. Let it be stated
for the record, I never liked that
[\h__\h] I still don't. And let me
explain to you why. So, let's reminisce
and remind y'all what my initial reason
for not liking Bonk was. Now, I did want
to talk about the only point that this
document brings up that I do somewhat
agree with. Pony Fan don't, or do as he
is asked to be called, has made some
very concerning posts using the Pony Fan
Don't account. Aside from defending
other Twitter users of drawing
sexualized pony characters and claiming
that it's fine because they're not real
children that exist, they also have
claimed that Gabriel provided voice work
for a video where Sweetie Bell is
depicted
with
male DNA on her face. And I think
sharing this, even if these characters
aren't real, is very strange to do.
Plus, it's neither confirmed that Gabe
had any involvement with this weird
sexual music video anyways. So, I don't
even know why Pony Fandote is providing
it as evidence. Pony Fand has also
posted weird pictures of minor
characters from MLP and even made tweets
saying that age was just a number.
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of
context to any of this, aside from it
being like [\h__\h] weird. My biggest
issue with Fandom personally, aside from
them being inconsistent between
accounts, is the fact that they want
this story to have their narrative be
the prominent one. Instead of
recognizing the complexities of the
situation, he constantly speaks on
behalf of people who already said that
they don't regard themselves as victims.
And instead of respecting that, he just
ignores that and is very my way or the
highway about it. Either you believe
that Clare is a victim of Gabriel or you
defend a groomer. There's no moral gray
you can take up. It's just what he wants
the narrative to be. And I mean, I
understand why, but getting into literal
arguments with people that you're trying
to convince our grooming victims is just
not how you get people to self-reflect
on their potentially harmful
relationships. And you cannot be
advocating for the safety of children in
the brony community whilst posting
sexual content of characters from the
show who are minors and claiming that
well that's okay because they're not
real. It just makes you look like a
hypocrite or at the very least someone
who draws the line at really weird
places. The reasons I gave in my Black
Griffin video boils down to three
things. One, his past is really [\h__\h]
shady. Two, he has gotten things about
Black Griffin completely wrong in the
past. And three, him fighting with
Claire and Michelle, two people he is
claiming are victims that he wants to
help, actually doesn't help at all.
Because all he's effectively doing, is
trying to force words in their mouths
and put labels on them that they don't
identify with. And all of this makes the
cases for Destiny and the Snapchat
victim and Gai Lim all the more up for
unfair scrutiny. If these people are
telling the truth about Gabe, Bonk
builds a terrible case for them because
the representative pushing for justice
with their platform is a nut case. Bonk
for whatever reason doesn't seem to
believe that he is the leading charge or
the de facto head of the story despite
the fact that he is the only one that is
talking about it. He's the only one
putting the case against Gabe together.
I mean, I know Reddit's picked it up,
too, and there's that whole Google doc
and they tried their hand at it, but I
mean, Bunk is very controlling of the
narrative. You want to know something
that's really, really funny? Despite my
video effectively presenting their case
and all of their findings, despite
linking the Google document in my bio,
despite standing with Destiny and the
Snapchat victim, despite literally
validating their work, Bonk and Sophie
hated my Black Griffin video. They hated
it. And the primary reason is because I
wouldn't lick Bonk's taint. Like I said,
I came at the Black Griffin story being
an outsider looking in. Someone not
emotionally invested with anyone, and I
thought that my criticisms of Bonk was
going to help him more than anything
will help him self-reflect, maybe. I
thought that my critique was fair. But
no, all it did was make him get all
upset because apparently I didn't see
him as this victim of people trying to
silence the story. Here's the thing.
Even if Bonk does make a point that I do
agree with, like an age gap relationship
where one of the parties was underage
when they first met is really weird and
uncomfortable. I can't disagree with
that. The logistics of that relationship
will always be up for question and
speculation inherently because of how
Gabe and Clare met. But even if Bonk
makes a good point, he is so defensive
and will fight tooth and nail with
everyone. He doesn't pick his battles
wisely. He just wants to fight just to
fight. So, Bonk, let's fight. Here is my
case against you.
In my Black Griffin video, we talked
about the past post history of Brody Fan
don't where it seems that the account
was once used as a role-play account for
the character Screwball from My Little
Pony. Bonk himself confirms this, but
the thing is Screwball is speculated to
be an underage character, though this
isn't directly stated on the show. What
Bonk would do is roleplay being in a
relationship with a character that is
stated to be 19 years old, who
intentionally dees his character with
magic or something to date Screwball.
Bonk justifies their online roleplay of
this weird relationship by saying that
age is just a number, hence the full
context of what that tweet was about.
This isn't the only odd thing in Bonk's
back catalog, as he has commissioned not
safe for work artwork of his persona
with Noel, an underage Delta Rune
character. Bonk essentially uses the
justification of their drawings. There's
not a crime actually happening because
they're fictional characters and you
can't victimize a cartoon character.
Yes, I I [\h__\h] you not. The bastard is
using the Earl Doobie. They're just
cartoons defense.
I want to die. Bonk was really mad that
I would bring this up in my video
because apparently these were things
that happened when he was a minor. He
didn't know any better. He doesn't stand
by it anymore as an adult. And sure,
like we just spoke about, the online
brony fandom normalized a lot of stuff
that was not okay. Nazism, shipping
adults with minors,
princess molestia. So, a young mind
engaging in the online brony sphere, I
can understand this being embarrassing
in retrospect, especially if a lot of
this is being normalized and seen as
okay because the fandom is so anti-drama
and pro-forgiveness no matter what. It
just lets this stuff slide only for Bonk
to grow up and look back on that and
realize that it wasn't okay. That has to
be a painful deconstruction. I would
know. I had to do the same [\h__\h] coming
out of the online anime community. You
know, it turns out a bunch of grown men
advocating for lollycon is not [\h__\h]
normal. Actually, the reason why people
aren't letting this [\h__\h] go is because
it's very clear that this isn't
something Bonk grew out of. The [\h__\h] in
his teens I can set aside if he was
actually ashamed of it and holds
different values now, but it's obvious
that he doesn't. This didn't stay in his
teenage years. It's something that he
has defended well into his adulthood.
Let me ask you a question. Say you're a
survivor of grooming by an adult and you
go to some online activist or
investigator.
Would you, as a survivor looking for
support, go to a supposed activist who
engages with content depicting minor
characters sexually?
No. You absolutely would not. And no,
I'm not going to show it to you, but
Wootmaster did at one point seemingly
either draw or retweet pornographic
images of Sweetie Bell.
Let me ask you another question. Say
you're a survivor of rape and you do the
same thing. You go online for support.
Uh, would you go to a guy who has a rape
fetish to tell your story?
No, I don't think you would. You'll
notice Fandon's OC is a hyena with a
glowing eye. But this isn't just an
aesthetic choice. Somebody handed me the
character sheet for Bonk's character.
And it turns out Bonk has something of a
rape fetish.
I fell for you since I first saw you,
but you don't know I exist. I've thought
about introducing myself, seeing if
you'd fall for me normally, but the risk
of failure is too painful, and I'm
growing more and more impatient, and I
have the power to change that with just
one look. You're mine. The rest of this
comic is lesbian porn with Judy Hops.
I'm not showing you that because I don't
hate you. Maybe it's a stretch. Maybe
it's actually like a hypnosis fetish or
something. But I find it odd that
specifically in their character
description, Bon specifies that his
glowing eye thing in his character is
specifically for mindontrolling people.
I don't really see how that's
consensual. One glance into the iris
causes any command from Helena to be
obeyed. One of the biggest red flags
about Bonk is their friendship and
frequent defense of Wootmaster. For
those who are unaware, Wootmaster is a
My Little Pony artist who likes to draw
not safe for work pony and furry
characters. However, many of his
subjects of interest are usually not
within the age range where that would be
appropriate. For example, Smolder from
My Little Pony and Spike are usually
depicted as younger characters. Yet,
Bootmaster has drawn both and retweeted
porn of these younger characters. Now,
in My Little Pony, characters ages
aren't really like clarified ever in the
show, so you could argue with the
ambiguity. Woot could just feain
ignorance. However, his secondary fetish
account called No Razor has retweets of
trans or interex pornography of
characters like Ryuko Matoy who is a
17-year-old girl and Tommoi Kurroki who
is 15. And in both of those cases, those
characters ages are not ambiguous. That
that is very wellnown. It is specified
in these animes that's how old they are.
But in case that wasn't bad enough,
taken from Becket's video, Proof of
Whoop Master retweeting fetish artwork
of Sweetie Bell. Also, the dude is a
straightup zoo file retweeting
pornographic artwork depicting
non-anthropomorphized
horses.
Just regular ass horses. But believe it
or not, it gets even worse than that.
Wootmaster was in a relationship with
someone called Potluck or Zeb Demon. Zeb
Demon was someone who posted the youth
attraction pride flag on their profile
and then got personally banned by Elon
Musk. Now granted, Bonk does call Zeb a
pedophile, but will seemingly ride or
die on defending Wootmaster. I could
show you like every single tweet where
he is outwardly defending Wootmaster,
but I think it's just best to hear it
from Bonk himself. Wootmaster has had a
a history kind of with, you know, his
artwork can kind of be seen as
controversial
for reasons being that like a lot of it
involves like characters canotonically
underage or something like that. So, can
you just kind of explain to me your
feelings on like Whoop Master as a like
a content creator because they've been
in controversy before for this specific
thing. And I I I just was curious about
like why you would choose to defend that
whilst also trying to like expose
somebody else for grooming. It just it
seems like a contradiction to be like
I'm okay with uh drawings of underage
characters in certain situations, but
I'm absolutely going to go on die on the
hill to say that somebody groomed
somebody kind of thing.
I
think that's a very I'm not trying to
like
be hostile or defensive.
I just think that's very shorted. No,
no. I
I I just think it's entirely different.
Like if you think one is bad or or both
are bad, that's fine.
I'm not I'm not even trying to debate
that. I'm just trying to say that there
are leagues different. Um, and I if it
seems very uh shortsighted to say that
it's the same thing and contradictory um
because there are genuine people that
exist that are being harmed and multiple
of them in the Griffin situation and and
I think that Woot um fights for a lot of
people that need help. I I think he is
very genuine in all that. If he ever did
anything that Griffin did, I would not
be so uh willing to defend him. In fact,
I would probably just not talk to him
ever again. And I don't really talk to
him all that much to begin with. Okay.
But he hasn't done anything to harm
anyone as far as I'm aware. And I don't
really the I don't want to argue this
point because I don't think it matters
to the grand scheme of everything. And I
know people don't like when I argue this
and they they act like I'm ruining
everything because I'm talking about it.
But I'm only talking about it because
people bring it up.
But I don't feel like artwork of
fictional characters regardless of what
age or anything that they are has any
effect on real people unless it's a
drawing of a real child. And then then
that crosses the line greatly for me.
Um, I if I had any thought that
Wootmaster wanted to get with actual
children, I would not be talking about
Woot Master
in any good sense at least,
right?
Um, but I don't think that he has that.
I don't believe that. Um, he's given me
no reason to believe that. And I know
people I keep saying the same I know
people this, I know people that. I
understand that there is a lot of things
that would require explaining my stance
on and explaining how what the
differences are and once I go into that
the conversation's too uncomfortable for
people and I think that they don't
listen to what I'm saying and they just
go he defended that thing so uh
therefore he she shouldn't be talking
about anything ever. Um but I I don't
think he has harmed anyone and that's
the difference for me. I I I don't think
it matters.
Well, I think we had a conversation,
right, about like the whole Nazis and
the brony fandom, how normalizing and
like how normalizing certain things can
also equally be harmful, right? If
you're like being like, nah, this is
normal, that's equally as bad. Or saying
like, nah, that's not as big of a deal.
That's equally as bad. Could you not
concede that maybe, you know, drawing
characters like that normalizes the idea
that people of that age can be put in
sexual situations and it can be seen as
fine? Like, cuz that's
I think that's a lot more fair of an
argument than most people give. I I I I
agree that there is that you you are
making a fair argument there. Um
because that's my main argument when it
comes to it really. That's what I say to
everyone. It's just like, sure, these
characters may not be real, but drawing
them sexualized, knowing the age that
they are in the show could normalize the
idea for real, like real kids that watch
the show and love the show, seeing them
like that, be like, "Oh, that could be
normalized for me, too." Like, that's my
argument. It's normalization of
something that I don't think should be.
I I I I believe that it should not be in
a place where like people uh that people
uncomfortable with it and people who are
minors can see. It should not be
accessible.
Uh it can't just be posted willy-nilly.
Like I I think that that is wrong. Um, I
like I said, I think that uh dissecting
it, a lot of people will instantly feel
uncomfortable because the topic of
anything sexual can make a lot of people
uncomfortable. Um, so I I think a lot of
people will not want to hear this next
part, but I think that there is a lot of
there's a lot of gray there's a lot of
differences and variables in all this. I
don't think it's necessarily that um
like Smolder the Dragon from My Little
Pony when Woot Master uh looks at art of
them or whatever. I don't think it's
necessarily the fact that they are um
like a minor character that is why he he
wants to have see art of that. I I think
there's a lot of different variables
where and it's uncomfortable for me to
talk about too. I don't like defending.
I I don't I don't want a side in the
war. I just don't think he's a bad
person. I don't think he's hurt anyone.
Um but I think that but to explain why I
think it is different um from uh Sorry,
what what was your question again? I'm
sorry.
I I'm asking if you can see to the fact
that like Whoop Master's artwork and the
past artwork he's made that has been
controversial normalizes certain things
that are harmful and therefore shouldn't
be defended.
Yeah. So I I would compare that to like
people that make like gore art. Like you
would you make the argument that that is
normalizing murder and therefore people
are going to be more likely to murder. I
I I I think that is while people don't
want to see it that way. It is kind of
one for one. Like people think it's
different but that perception is just
that one is normal to draw and one
isn't. Um, I I think maybe it does
normalize it in a way and maybe that is
bad, but I don't know enough to
determine that that is happening. I just
think that there are certain venues
where if you want to do that, go for it.
I don't as long as it's not hurting
anyone, if it's not like if it's not of
a real person who is not consenting to
that or is a child and therefore can't
consent to that.
Mhm. I I don't really care if
a a cartoon dragon is being harmed
because they aren't being harmed because
they're not real. Um so it but in the
sense of it being normalized, I guess I
don't know for certain that it is
helping um actual predators get away
with anything. I I think that like
things like Grand Theft Auto, I think
that there are violent people that
really like violent games, but I don't
think the violent games made them
violent people, you know? I suppose so,
but I think it's more so how that
artwork is being utilized, right? Like
when people use Grand Theft Auto, they
don't use that as like a simulation to
things that they're going to, you know,
do bad things in the future.
I agree. I just I don't think that Woot
is going to do the things either. I I
don't I I think it's the same in that
regard, too.
Sure, but like why even introduce a
sexual element to minor characters at
all? like that doesn't seem very
necessary. Like you can sexualize
characters that are adults and that's
like, you know, they're in the territory
of that to do so, but most people are
just like these are the essentially
lolly lolli characters, right? Like it's
like do not lude the lolli. That's like
a big thing in most fandoms. It's like
don't [\h__\h] do that [\h__\h] Like
I think it's the same ar I think it's a
slippery slope argument and I I kind of
hate that argument. I'm going to be
honest. like like with the like like
with what I was saying with Grand Theft
Auto, the same thing can also be applied
where uh people or a lot of like people
were upset with Grand Theft Auto for
depicting violence and allowing you to
play as it and they were saying that
this was going to lead to more violence.
Um and you could make the same arguments
for that where okay well why would you
uh need to do that when you could have a
game where you are nice to everyone? Why
does it have to be an option? Um, I I
don't think it is necessarily a desire
to do these things in real life. I don't
think it has to translate to that. And I
think that people who do have those
inclinations were going to also
gravitate to doing this out of real life
anyways. Uh, I don't think I I don't
think I I I honestly I think there might
be something to it being so common and
accepted that it becomes so widespread
that people get away with more. I I
think that could be a possibility and it
could that could lead to actual harm
like what you were comparing with the
Nazi situation. I can see that.
I just can't confirm that that is
happening. So, I don't want and I also
feel pretty safe saying that Woot Master
isn't a predator, right? So, I don't
want to condemn him for that. And when
he has fought for people, uh, I don't
want to dismiss that just because people
are uncomfortable with some of the
things he does separate to that.
One last question, and I'll be like
super specific. Say that you did have an
inappropriate conversation with an
adult. Say you and this adult are in the
same community.
Bronies, let's just say you're bronies.
So, you're both bronies. And let's just
say that you want to warn the wider
scope of the community. Would you go to
a fellow brony who's really into full
con?
No, I don't think so.
I mentioned this in the Black Griffin
video that I made that Bonk has made an
accusation about Gabe that was just
completely wrong. Let's go over that in
detail. Bonk claims that Gabe provided
vocals for a video that sings about
having sex with a young pony character.
This led many to believe that Gabe was
singing a song about wanting to have sex
with Sweetie Bell, hence grooming. The
thumbnail of this video depicts
pornography of the Cutie Mark Crusaders
that are explicitly stated in My Little
Pony to be fools or Phillies aka Young
Ponies. The truth of this video is that
it's a re-upload. The original was found
with Sweetie Belt as the thumbnail, but
clearly this shows that the original
vocalist was not Black Griffin. Now,
Bonk did retract this claim, but I want
to ask you the question. This video that
Bonk is referencing is completely
unknown to most people. It has 4,000
views in the eight years it's been on
the platform, and it's the only video on
this channel. So, my question is, how
did Bonk find this video? How did he
know where to look for it? Granted, he
couldn't find the original one either.
That one is 10 years old and only has
like 5,000 views. It is incredibly
obscure. But regardless, I find it
interesting that he was able to find the
re-upload with porn of minor pony
characters as the thumbnail over the
original. I think the only way he would
have been aware that this video existed
and was out there on YouTube is because
of Bonk's interest in full con. Now, I
must be very clear. This is more of an
allegation of Bonk's interest. With
private likes and his main Twitter
account gone, there's not really any
direct obvious evidence of this. This is
more of an accusation that is backed up
by the fact that he used to roleplay as
Screwball, which the community has
considered to be a minor character and
also, you know, the association with
Whoop Master once again retweeting porn
of Sweetie Bell. But for those unaware,
Fullcon is basically the brony
community's version of Lollcon media
that depicts sexualized minor characters
or a person who is attracted to lollies
or young female characters. Now again, a
lot of this comes from Woot Master
himself, who openly goons to whatever
character he wants, regardless of age,
and Bonk defending this by just saying
that no real harm is happening because
these are just characters that don't
exist. And I [\h__\h] you not, he's making
the argument that getting offended over
drawn porn of a minor is the equivalent
to thinking that video games cause
violence.
I'm going to play back exactly what I
said about Brony Fandome fighting with
Claire Corlette. Instead of recognizing
the complexities of the situation, he
constantly speaks on behalf of people
who already said that they don't regard
themselves as victims. And instead of
respecting that, he just ignores that
and is very my way or the highway about
it. Either you believe that Claire is a
victim of Gabriel or you defend a
groomer. There's no moral gray you can
take up. It's just what he wants the
narrative to be. And I mean, I
understand why, but getting into literal
arguments with people that you're trying
to convince our grooming victims is just
not how you get people to self-reflect
on their potentially harmful
relationships. Now, I want to read you a
DM that Brony Fandone sent to Clare
Corlette personally found here in
Beckett's video. No, you're a liar.
You've constantly lied and you're lying
now. Either you told your lawyer your
version of event or your lawyer didn't
say any of this. I have not harassed
you. I have not slandered anyone.
Nothing I've done has been illegal,
immoral, or done in the pursuit of any
kind of revenge or bad intent. The same
cannot be said for what you've done. You
don't like me posting public
information, and so you try to make me
into some sort of devil. You can't even
hold a conversation without needing to
take what you've perceived as a stab at
me. You think dropping my IRL
information in the DMs is some sort of
gotcha moment. You're [\h__\h] awful. You
aren't mature. Even when I point out how
you're being petty and childish,
throwing emojis at me, you keep doing
it. I try to see what you want to show
me, I tell you it's private, and you
call me a liar. When I show you that it
is, you threaten to sue me. Now, I am
not someone who likes it when a
significant creator or person of
interest uses lawsuits and threats to
sue someone when they aren't a fan of
what they're saying. I also do not
condone doxing or seeking out someone's
private information. This has happened
time and time again. But I think in this
case, I should have at least been a
little more charitable to Claire. Claire
in her messages with Bonk is trying to
handle things at least as cordially as
possible. Just understand what the [\h__\h]
Bonk's issue is with her and Gabe. And
Bonk is just being so dismissive of
whatever she has to say. I understand
the argument that a victim of grooming
is not going to know if they're being
groomed because that's the whole point
of grooming, making that conditioning
feel normal when it isn't. And this is
still very much true. However, my issue
is is that Bonk is more obsessed with
pushing this story of Claire's grooming
rather than the actual people that do
claim to be a victim of Gabe. Bonk
prioritizes being in the right about
Claire's marriage secretly being a plot
of a groomer than he is uplifting
Destiny or the Snapchat victim. At least
they are willing to call themselves
victims. They are out here saying we
were groomed and yet Bonk's priority is
just to keep pushing this whole thing
with Gabe and Claire instead of doing
anything to verify their testimonies.
Why? Why focus so much on the people who
are asking you to stop labeling them as
victims rather than work with those who
are willing to go on the record and say
that they are victims? Well, it's
probably because he can't. Like Destiny
had mentioned, she deleted the account
in which this occurred, and the Snapchat
victim didn't save the dickpicks to
prove that they happened. And although I
understand why since, you know, they're
children and they wouldn't have the
hindsight to save the evidence, it's
still a risk to platform them without
something to support their clients.
Testimony is evidence. It's important
evidence, but it usually gets classified
under circumstantial evidence over
physical and direct. And usually what
builds a good case is either a smoking
gun, physical or direct evidence, or a
lot of circumstantial evidence that
paints a picture. And this is something
that I even had to deconstruct when I
was speaking to Beckett. When people on
the internet say there is no evidence,
that does not mean that they are saying
these people are lying. When Beckett
says that there is no direct evidence,
he's not pointing the finger at Destiny
or the Snapchat victim and saying, "You
both are liars," that's not what he's
saying. This is even something that I
had to come to terms with. Like, he's
not saying they're lying. Nobody is
saying that these people are lying. He's
just saying that there's there needs to
be more. What Bonk is trying to do is
equate a mounting of circumstantial
evidence as direct evidence and accuse
anyone who is asking questions or is
just trying to verify information. He's
accusing them of trying to discredit and
disregard the victims and call them
liars for no reason. I am willing to
hear Destiny out. I'm willing to hear
the Snapchat victim out. I'm willing to
show my support and respect to them. I'm
sure a lot of people would, but all
people are asking for is more. And
claiming that's not reasonable and
defending groomers is just kind of dumb.
There is one last thing I want to put
out there as my final critique of Bonk.
As it's known to everyone now, Brony Fan
is an account that is ran by two people,
Sophie Scruggs and Bonk. At present, it
is just Bonk running the account. But I
have my own issues with Sophie Scruggs.
Sophie's been platforming allegations
against Gabe longer than even Bonk has
and presented herself as an expert in
the brony scene in Courtney's video. As
we know now, her reach doesn't extend as
far as she claims it does. And this
entire situation has put her attendance
at risk when Beckett spoke to Scott
Thornwing, director of Everfree
Northwest. And if Everfree Northwest
wants a good reason to ban Sophie,
besides all this drama, how about the
fact that after Bonk tried to off
himself due to the online harassment in
relation to the brony fan don't account,
she still gave Bonk the account back. I
think Enter described it best. This is
like giving an alcoholic access to the
liquor cabinet after getting their
stomach pumped. Why would you ever allow
anyone who is prone to suicidal
tendencies due to poorly reacting to
online harassment into the account that
he used to streamline his suicide?
Sophie clearly doesn't care for a bonk's
well-being if she's effectively retying
the news after it broke the first time.
But aside from Sophie, another character
we should highlight is Amy New. Amy New
is Peter New's wife who Claire has known
personally or at least knows of them
where the switch was with Amy. Um I
don't know if my own father has talked
to either of them. But I do know that my
dad has reached out to people that I've
worked with and warned them about me
when I had told my parents that, you
know, I was I was in a relationship um
with Gabe. And um this is when I was
almost 20. Um
I don't know when the swap or switch was
for Amy. Um, I had met her a few times
before I knew she was married
um to Peter New. I think
I I can't remember a whole lot
about her. Um, but I I don't know. I
don't know. She's like kind of mixed up
in the fan world and she came first as a
fan from to my knowledge. She was a fan
first and then she just kind of started
dating Peter and I was like, "Oh, that's
interesting." And um she
yeah was kind of like a fan of My Little
Pony and a fan of Peter and then started
dating. So this is where we need to talk
about this group's true motives. But I
must make this absolutely clear that
this is merely just me theory crafting.
Throughout this process, I tried to
speak to Sophie and Amy, but they do not
want to speak to me.
I wonder why. Or at least I'll be giving
him a good reason. Now, could these
people come out and just say something
along the lines of nuh-uh just to debunk
what I'm saying?
Sure. But I doubt it. So, let me present
to you my final argument against Brony
Fan. Don't.
After Becket's first video went live
featuring Claire and Michelle's
interviews, Bon and Amy both claimed
that Beckett's video wasn't legal. The
reason they felt that way was because of
an audio recording featuring Claire, her
father, what I believe is also her mom
in the call, having a group therapy
session. Now, due to a misunderstanding
of HIPPA, Bonk claims that the recording
violates the consent of the people in
this call. He doesn't really explain how
when speaking to Phineas. He just kind
of says, and I quote, "I'm saying only
what I'm allowed to say. Not everyone
had given consent. That's the truth. And
there's no reason to believe Claire
asked at all. I'm saying only what I am
allowed to say. Not everyone had given
consent." That's the truth.
Interesting. So, I have a few questions.
The first kind of being like a compound
question,
what exactly aren't you allowed to say?
What's holding you back in uh giving us
more details?
What are you hiding? And the most
important question,
how do you know that you claimed that
not everyone had given consent to this
therapy session? My question is,
how do you know that? Amy New says the
same thing. I don't know if you know
this or if it matters much anymore. That
recording Claire played on the copen
seed thing was a private family
therapist session. I don't think Ian is
a great person. But I wish people would
understand that they were speaking
openly to a therapist. They were trying
to get help. That's interesting, Amy.
How do you know that? Also, here's
another interesting thing. How do either
of these people know that it was a call
from a therapy session? If you watch
Beckett's video, he doesn't mention that
this was from a family therapy session
at all.
Now, many people haven't heard this.
It's part of one of the Gabe defense
documents and a little bit difficult to
access. So, with permission, I'm just
going to play it for you. And if you go
to the defense document by Billy Bustup
where these recordings were originally
published, but they weren't accessible,
they don't mention the origins of the
recorded calls either. The only people
that made it a fact that these were
recorded calls in a group family therapy
session was Amy New and Bonk.
But how do they know that? Aside from
how they seemingly knew this
information, they also know for a fact
that not everyone in that call gave
consent to be recorded.
My question is
who? Clearly, it isn't clear if she's
posting this online, something as the
patient she is allowed to do. Patient
rights state that a patient can make any
of their medical history known to
anyone, including the public, as it is
their right. And if she's the one
recording, clearly she consents. Is it
the therapist? Well, when asked
directly, Bonk claims to have never
spoken to Cla's therapist or even knows
who they are. Despite how concerned he
seems to be of this therapist losing
their job, he can't seem to prove that
they didn't consent to this session
being recorded. The only person that
leaves is Claire's parents, but most
specifically Ian James Corlet. Claire
has claimed for years that Ian was
controlling and abusive. She was even
convinced that Brony Fandump was her
father because he self admittedly made
alt accounts to call Gabe out. And yet,
despite all this, Brony Fand seemingly
has defended Ian on multiple occasions.
There wasn't any abuse to talk about.
Aside from saying abuse happened, your
only specifics you gave were your
parents doing things that seemingly were
attempts to keep you away from Gabriel,
which is a very reasonable thing for
them to do. As for abuse, I do not know
whether or not Ian is an abuser. All I
do know is Claire's message claiming
examples of abuse reads pretty much more
to me as a parent wanting to desperately
get their child away from a predator. If
I'm wrong, give me the part of her
message that is different. As for Saber
and Paleo, yes, they defended his
grooming. They also aggressively
harassed anyone who showed empathy to
Cla's father when he spoke about missing
his daughter. They implied Ian was an
abuser, but that remains to be seen and
doesn't justify how they spoke. Even in
my own coverage of the Black Griffin
allegations, I said that I was willing
to believe Ian was abusive. I just
didn't know because I don't know him
personally or Claire, but I was willing
to at least believe it when Claire says
it. Blanc is not for some reason.
Why? I thought you wanted to believe
victims. So why are you so dismissive to
claims of an abusive father? And the
thing is Ian isn't unfamiliar with Brony
Fan don't as he follows the Brony Fan
don't account on Twitter. But that's not
all. He also follows Sophie Scrugs on
both Instagram and Twitter. And when Ian
posted an open letter to his daughter in
response to not being invited to Claire
and Gab's wedding, guess who is
reposting it in Ian's responses?
Amy knew. So, let's recap. Amy New was
told in person by Ian about the
allegations against Gabe. Amy is even
reposting his open letter to Claire.
Although Brony Fan Don't has claimed to
have never met Ian or taken orders from
him, Ian is at least aware of him, he
follows the Brony Fan Don't account
alongside Sophie Scrugs on Twitter and
Instagram. We know that he has made
alternative accounts before, self-
admittedly. It's even suspected that
this Flutter cult account that called
Copen's alt right before Bonk did is
allegedly Ian's alt. And you know,
honestly,
it has to be him because all of the same
actors are following the Fluttercult
account. Amy, New Sophie, Bonk, Whoop
Master. And when you think about it,
Bonk and Ian have a lot in common in
terms of how they present the
allegations against Black Griffin and
how they act online. If we are to
believe that the Flutter cult account is
Ian, then both Bonk and Ian have a few
things in common. They both relentlessly
called people alt-right, both to copen
and black Griffin. Both are harping at
other entities like Billy Bustup and
Momoccon to have Gabe removed. And both
accounts are obsessively tweeting about
Black Griffin constantly. They have a
lot of similarities that I honestly
don't blame Claire for thinking Bonk was
her dad. And then I had speculated
actually for a while um that this could
have been my own dad because my dad has
done stuff like this before. The
language was very similar. I had alluded
to some you know sassy remarks I I made
with Brony Fand uh this account and I
was just trying to kind of gauge the
waters and I'm like yeah I found out
that it wasn't him and I was like kind
of relieved but I also was kind of mad
cuz I was like well dang now we just
have like another crazy person with the
same kind of mentality. But if there's
one thing that I would like to point to
as a direct correlation, it would be
this. Bonk mentions that the recording
was a HIPPA violation. When I spoke to
Phineas, he had mentioned that Bonk
claimed that it was illegal because it
was a violation of privacy and shouldn't
be on YouTube. What's so funny about
that is that Becket did get a privacy
complaint. He never made this public.
He's only ever shared it with me in
private and has given me permission to
share it. Now, it doesn't say directly
who filed this privacy concern, but the
timestamp is the entire recording. So,
here's my question.
Did Bonk report the video for privacy?
He seems pretty adamant that the video
needs to come down, but usually privacy
complaints are filed via the person
whose privacy is being violated, not on
behalf of someone else. So, my question
is, did Ian take Bonk's advice in
claiming the video is illegal? I also
find it really interesting that Bonk
claims that he never has seen Copen's
video or is even going to entertain it.
But he will so confidently talk about
the contents of said video, even
straight up saying things that are just
not said in the video at all. Like he
claims that Claire said that Sophie
forced her to pet her snail when Claire
never says this. And I'm using this as a
specific example, and I actually had to
go back and research this because I had
forgot about it because it meant nothing
to me. Sorry, Sophie. I'm not trying to
be rude here, but I don't remember that
I complimented your snail once. That was
something that I did in the moment
because I was being friendly and nice.
And now somehow I'm getting backstabbed
because you decided to tweet out to
everybody years ago. The last time you
got frustrated that I was in a
relationship with Gabe before we were
married and we had announced that we
were dating, you said you were worried
for your dear friend, your close friend
Claire, me. And I'm sitting here going,
"Who the hell are you? Have I even met
you before?" Like what the freak? Then I
have to go back and I find out, oh, oh,
thank God I actually did meet her. Okay,
so she's not, you know, totally crazy.
But then I keep reading this stuff and
I'm like, oh my gosh, this is literally
it. I complimented your snail one time
and I think I might have DM'd you about
a bag that I saw at a convention and you
were at the convention and you, you
know, you had and I walked through the
vendor hall and I was like, "Wow, you
have really pretty bags." cuz I one of
them had my character on it and I was
like that's so cool. I think I might
have taken a picture of it and then I
was like hey like you know how do you
sell your bag? I think I DM'd her of
like hey how do you sell your bags? Like
I might have wanted to retweet that or
promote that at some point. Right. There
is one last thing I would like to share
with you because if there is one thing
that I think verifies my suspicion of
all of this, it would be this. Ian has
been known to reach out to content
creators who have spoken about Black
Griffin or at least has worked with
them. It's been speculated, though not
confirmed, that he spoke with The Living
Tombstone to have their collaboration
with Gabe removed from their channel,
but I can't say 100% if that's a fact or
if that's true. That's just hearsay.
What is not hearsay
is the fact that I have spoken to Ian 5
days after my Black Griffin video went
live. He reached out to me. I have held
back on talking about this because I'm
the type of person who if you tell me
not to say [\h__\h] I won't. The only time
I have broken this rule is with the
clips from Bonk's interview because I
don't have to keep my word to a full
concrete that's in the cartoon children.
But otherwise, if we are having like a
private conversation and you ask me to
keep it private, I will keep it private.
In the past, when content creators leak
DMs or talk about a private conversation
publicly, they're usually seen as a
massive [\h__\h] for leaking private
chats, things the public does not need
to see. And because I at least have like
a baseline respect for privacy, I try to
respect when people revoke their consent
for private conversations to be out in
the public. When I heard that recording
of Ian being verbally aggressive towards
Claire, I blocked him and I deleted all
of our messages. I wanted nothing to do
with him. I have tried to get like data
retrieval from Instagram to see if I can
get these messages again, but I just I
couldn't do it. I can't retrieve the
messages and since Ian has asked not to
show anyone those messages, I won't
because regrettably I can't. It was that
was so stupid of me. I I should have
gotten the screenshots and whatever to
verify, but I I just I didn't. I can
tell you what I said though from memory
mind you because we had a total of two
correspondences regretfully. I didn't
know if Ian was abusive or not. I was a
bit more cordial than I should have
been. This is mainly because I thought
if he's at least willing to actually
reach out to me and talk to me, maybe I
could hear his side of the story and
maybe the claims of abuse are just a
narrative or something that's not true.
you know, as a groomer tactic to keep
Clare away from him. But interestingly,
Ian wouldn't confirm nor deny the claims
and just kept telling me that he didn't
want it to be known that he was involved
with any of this and to please tell no
one that we ever spoke. This should have
been a red flag, but maybe he was just
trying to rebuild his family, I suppose.
And I just didn't want to get in the way
of like a grieving father and get
involved in like someone else's family
drama. So, I just let it be. It was none
of my business. This is not my family,
not my [\h__\h] circus. I was nice to Ian
simply because I'm just kind of baseline
friendly with everyone who talks to me
about my videos. That's what our first
conversation was about. He basically
just wanted to text me to be like, I
liked your video and I also like that
little skit you put in it. Thank you.
You know, at that point, I think I did
apologize to Ian because I said
something that was like insinuating that
Ian passed his daughter around to both
Mando Pony and Gabe. And I said, you
know what? I think Claire might have had
a point. If my father allowed me to be
around two men who were into little
girls a little bit too much, I don't
think I would talk to him either. Just
add that into the pile of regrettable
things I said in that video. But yeah, I
wanted to apologize for insinuating that
Ian might have trafficked his daughter
to creeps. I thought saying that was a
little a little bit too far along with
like a bunch of other things I said that
were too far. I just wanted to wish him
and his family well. Like, hope y'all
are doing good. I also was maybe hoping
for an interview. I didn't like want to
bombard him with one, but was kind of
hoping that he could answer some
questions if it wasn't too much to ask.
I should have been like more direct
about it, but like this is like a
seasoned voice actor. I was I was a bit
shocked that he'd even reach out to me
in the first place. But Ian wasn't
interested in keeping in constant
communication with me. He asked me not
to tell anyone that we ever spoke or
show anyone our conversations and that
he didn't want to be on record or
anything because he didn't want people
to know that he was involved. Well, you
know, seeing as he is openly following
the people who are involved and is
talking to me directly, that's obviously
not true. He is very much involved. And
the second conversation was after KP's
video and all it was was just talking
about how bad the video was and that he
hoped the victim was okay and how much
this has personally affected him with
how Saber has openly attacked him. So, I
am just guessing that he was really
banking on this being true, especially
since Ian follows a Saber Spark parody
account called Saber Fart on Twitter,
which is super mature for a 60-year-old
man. And that was it. Our two
conversations was just, "Hey, I thought
your video was good. Man, KP's video
sucked." And that's it. Also, please
don't tell anyone we talked or whatever.
Now, if I had listened to that recording
beforehand, would I have ever
entertained talking to this guy?
[\h__\h] no. But his conversations with me
did end up turning the cogs in my head
and making me concoct this grand
conspiracy. Like, if this guy was
willing to reach out to me, me, some
[\h__\h] stupid internet rando who talks
about Netflix movies for a living. if he
was willing to reach out to me, who's to
say he hasn't spoken to Bon and Sophie.
And it was when Claire said this,
I don't know if my own father has talked
to either of them, but I do know that my
dad has reached out to people that I've
worked with and warned them about me
when I had told my parents that, you
know, I was I was in a relationship um
with Gabe.
That it all just clicked. Amy, Bonk, and
Sophie have always been in contact with
each other. And although I do believe
that Bonk had at least initially worked
on his own in the beginning, he also
mentioned people reaching out to him who
were silenced by Gabe and Claire over
the years. And I have no doubt in my
mind that either Amy has reached out to
as like a secret mouthpiece for Ian or
Ian has been directly in contact with
Bonk. This whole thing, at least the
rumors about Claire, they all come from
Ian. It's always been him. How long has
it been him? I don't know. I'm not too
sure. But I know damn well that this
idea that Ian is just removed from all
of this isn't [\h__\h] true. He told me
he was personally involved in all this.
He knows all this stuff. He's been
following it from the start. If there is
one thing I think should deter you from
listening to Bonk, Amy New or Sophie
Scruggs at all, aside from them all
being, you know, kind of insane is the
fact that they are mouthpieces for Ian
James Corlette. And Sophie and Amy might
not ever admit this, but ladies,
I know exactly where your barking orders
are coming from. You're trying to slink
away now and just try to avoid talking
to me altogether, but you don't get to
[\h__\h] run. Not after the [\h__\h] you
pulled. You've taken the side of an
emotional abuser, proven so solidly,
than you do with the people that you
claim are victims that you say that you
care about. You don't care about
victims. You never cared about victims.
All you cared about is sucking up to
industry voice actors like Ian or Peter
New, who is also under scrutiny for
apparently saying inappropriate things
to underage girls. And I think that's
also really funny considering Peter New
is somebody who has said inappropriate
things about
girls who are underage. You're not
protecting. You're projecting. And you
know what the worst part is? The worst
part is that people like Sophie Bonk and
Amy, they are weaponizing their black
and white thinking. Here's the thing. No
one wants to stand by an abuser. People
want to believe victims because people
who lie about sex crimes and abuse,
that's rare. And you'll see this when
Bonk fights with people. If you disagree
with his claims or ask him questions, he
calls you a defender of groomers and
rapists. And since no one wants to be
that guy who stands by a rapist or a
groomer, and they want to believe
victims because victim blaming and being
dismissive is shitty, they'll just take
your word for it. This doesn't just
expand to randos on Twitter. This
applies to Claire herself because now
she's equally as bad as everyone who
stands by Gabe. She's a groomer
apologist and a defender of an abuser.
And somehow you saying that isn't also
treating victims like [\h__\h] If you see
Claire as a victim, why are you allowed
to toss her to the side when she doesn't
agree with you? And that's totally fine.
But when people ask questions regarding
Destiny's claims or the Snapchat victim,
you dismiss that as victim blaming and
defending abusers. Why are you allowed
to toss Claire to the side and ignore
her victimhood when it comes to her
father, but no one is allowed to bring
their concerns about your investigation
without being accused of tossing victims
to the side? You're abusing people's
kindness. You're abusing people's care
for victims and forcing their arm behind
their back because apparently Amy Bonk
and Sophie are the only true advocates
for victims. They're the only ones who
are doing what's right by them. What
Destiny and the Snapchat victims should
do is rely on Rain as a resource instead
of Brody Fando and Co. Yet that
suggestion gets shot down by Bonk. He
was apparently angry that people would
suggest rain at all as he dismisses the
idea that rain is the only solution
which
no one was saying that. He apparently
also had no idea what rain even was. An
advocate for sexual abuse survivors has
no idea what resources are out there
besides law enforcement and he doesn't
think that's a problem. The biggest
upside for those who utilize Rain over
Brony fan don't is that at least Rain
won't use victim stories as weapons. If
you want to know what the biggest issue
with this entire initiative is, it's
that they don't stand by [\h__\h] They say
they stand by victims, but they also
treat those they see as victims like dog
[\h__\h] They say that they hate pedophilia
and children being sexualized, but
defend fullcon and Wootmaster. They say
that they all come from abusive homes
and take accusations of familial abuse
seriously, but then take all of their
barking orders from an abusive father.
Even if these people make arguments I
agree with, even if they do listen to
victims and give them support, the bare
minimum, it's based purely out of their
own self-interest and not because they
genuinely care. And also another side
note, these people are screaming about
accountability, but they don't even know
what that would even look like. Like,
what do these people want? Do they want
Gabe and Claire to get divorced? What
the hell is that going to do? How would
that make anything better? Bonk took
something that I cared about, something
I was passionate about that affects
people in my real life, and he went on a
crusade for himself, not for destiny,
not for Anon. It was for him. And for
what? Some parasocial relationship, some
need for some brony fame, some
entertainment,
maybe. I don't know. But what I do know
is that you've made it so much harder
for victims. People will give little to
no charity to victims coming forward all
because of people like you. The
conversation around these stories have
become so toxic of those playing into
the perfect victim narratives to
demanding things out of these victims
that would be impossible. And if they
don't have that on hand at that moment,
they're liars just looking to farm
clout. That's not every single victim,
though. That's not the goal of everyone
who wants to speak up. But because of
people like Bonk, they will have to
fight so much harder to be believed and
discredit the idea that they're doing
this for clout or to ruin people's
lives. And it's all your fault. You were
so busy pushing for some sort of
victimhood from Claire Michelle that you
didn't bother aiding in Destiny's
allegations when her identity was
exposed and then she got cannibalized
because you never cared about any of
these people. It was only ever about
either satisfying Ian's ego or
satisfying you. Not everyone who cares
about the Black Griffin story is like
this. There are people who genuinely are
concerned and care. I cared. And if you
do care about stories like this, if
Destiny and the Snapchat victim are
adamant in their allegation, please rely
on resources that will actually do the
right thing the right way and actually
give a [\h__\h] Because if you continue to
rely on Brony Fandone as your source,
you'll never see justice. You'll never
be believed, and you will only be used
as a shield. Don't let him do that to
you, Bonk. If there is any part of you
that cares about this genuinely, step
down from the story. You will stop
making yourself a mouthpiece for Ian
James Corlette. Because the only saving
grace with you is that I'm pretty sure
you're so mentally unstable that Amy and
Sophie see you as the perfect person to
manipulate into doing their bidding. Or
at least Ian's bidding. Bonk seems so
loyal to them when the truth may be that
his stupidity is being used against him.
Bonk, I beg of you, for the sake of
yourself, for the sake of the victims,
hang it up. For once, this would
actually be the one helpful thing that
you do.
Well, that was cathartic. But the
question is,
what now? While an apology is great and
while giving you the true picture is
very important, you guys are going to
want to see change. There has to be
change. Otherwise, I I risk this
happening again. I've been doing this
whole content creation thing for 5
years. And within those 5 years, I got
rusty. And name intended, this time I
got lazy. This is what I'm going to do
to avoid this from happening in the
future. Any stories I talk about
involving like abuse or sex scandals or
relationship scandals may be little to
non-existent going forward as I haven't
exactly shown to be the most responsible
in regards to these stories. There's a
few that I have in the back catalog that
I might consider talking about, but
that's going to need like a whole team
behind it and it's not just, you know,
me by myself where mistakes can at least
be caught. I will be putting a team of
researchers together. It'll be mostly
like on a volunteer basis and it won't
always be needed. It's just for the
stuff that needs that extra hand. I also
have made a lot of connections through
this story that have proven to be like
reasonable researchers and investigators
that I heavily respect. So, they will
also be like more heavily relied on when
needed. I will also be doing more
interviews. As I've self- admitted, I'm
not good at interviews. I I don't feel
like I ask the right questions or I can
be a little too charitable and don't
push back as much as I should or I kind
of just treat it like a convo with a
friend, but that doesn't mean that I
should just throw my hands in the air
and just be like, "Well, I guess I'm
just really bad at this. I should just
never do it again." It comes with
practice and it comes from experience
and it comes from listening to others
and just learning. I will also be
maintaining my removal from Twitter and
Twitter likes from my life as it is
better for my mental health and sanity.
However, a lot of the reason I didn't
know about a lot of this stuff is
because, you know, Bonk and Amy and
Sophie, all those people are on Twitter
and I don't have a Twitter. If I did, it
would have solved all my problems. A
part of the investigative team going
forward is actually, you know, having
those who do use Twitter helping in that
regard so that I don't miss anything. I
would like to shift content into a
different direction, something that's a
little low risk. This channel has been
mainly about like my hyperfixations and
a lot of my hyperfixations have been on
like dark [\h__\h] like this. And it's been
like this for so long. It's because I
care about this stuff. I care about it
enough to own up when I am [\h__\h] up. I
should know better if I care about this.
So, I hope the changes will make content
more solid and age better. I would like
to thank some of the people who have
helped in this process. Becket, thank
you so much for hearing me out and um
having that conversation with me and
reaching a positive consensus with each
other. I hope you guys will give his
content a chance. He's definitely a lot
edgier than what you're used to over
here on this channel. Um and he's a bit
of a drama farmer, but like he's sane,
which is rare in the grand scheme of the
story. So, I appreciate that. I'm happy
that our perspectives of each other were
totally off. I hope that we can continue
to at least be friendly in the future. I
would also like to thank Mr. Enter and
his team, that includes Wes, Kota,
Maddie, Graceland, Chico, and Phineas,
getting to chat with everyone and give
each other feedback and advice. I think
it was good in keeping each other sane.
So, thank you so much. I would also like
to thank um the OP block. I wasn't aware
that he was one of Beckett's
researchers, but I have since then
gotten the chance to speak to him. Seems
really chill. He had criticisms of me
that were also not very nice, but
honestly seems like a pretty cool guy.
Uh, so thank you so much for at least
having that conversation with me,
especially on live stream. That was
completely random. Oh, how the turns
table. I would also like to thank the
friends and family that were a huge help
in removing myself from the internet to
just enjoy things in the real world, you
know, things that actually matter. It's
a good reminder that like there's an
entire world out there that exists and
that's the one that probably will be
more impactful in the long run. You
know, taking breaks and giving myself
time offline to breathe is so important.
So, you won't be named, but you know who
you are. So, thank you. And once again,
for ever entertaining this entire [\h__\h]
show and giving it any platform,
I'm I'm so sorry to Claire, to Michelle,
to Saber Spark. I wish you nothing but
peace. And I hope showing you who Bonk
really is exonerates all of you. I am
really so sorry. Going forward, I hope
that content will continue and you guys
continue to stick around. But if
anything during the duration of this
video has disappointed anyone and it's
not possible for you to support anymore,
it's completely understandable. I I
totally understand. I would like to grow
and work towards a team that'll keep our
promises for not just, you know, content
improvement, but personal character
improvement as well. Thank you for
listening. I'm sorry that this was long
and tedious, but I appreciate anyone who
watched until the very end. I hope you
have a great day and please continue to
support organizations like RAIN whose
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watching. Have a wonderful rest of your
day.