1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,590 To me, and this is just my opinion, this 2 00:00:03,590 --> 00:00:03,600 To me, and this is just my opinion, this 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,749 To me, and this is just my opinion, this statement reads far more like somebody 4 00:00:05,749 --> 00:00:05,759 statement reads far more like somebody 5 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:07,590 statement reads far more like somebody who was pissed off and has been pissed 6 00:00:07,590 --> 00:00:07,600 who was pissed off and has been pissed 7 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,750 who was pissed off and has been pissed off for years that the guy she liked 8 00:00:09,750 --> 00:00:09,760 off for years that the guy she liked 9 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,390 off for years that the guy she liked decided not to date her. And I say this 10 00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:12,400 decided not to date her. And I say this 11 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,310 decided not to date her. And I say this because my experience now that Enter's 12 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:14,320 because my experience now that Enter's 13 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,070 because my experience now that Enter's video and the interview with Emily is 14 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:16,080 video and the interview with Emily is 15 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:18,470 video and the interview with Emily is out, I think we have all the information 16 00:00:18,470 --> 00:00:18,480 out, I think we have all the information 17 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,950 out, I think we have all the information that we'll ever be able to get. It just 18 00:00:20,950 --> 00:00:20,960 that we'll ever be able to get. It just 19 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,189 that we'll ever be able to get. It just sucks there's no definitive answer and 20 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:23,199 sucks there's no definitive answer and 21 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:24,710 sucks there's no definitive answer and that we will have to come to our own 22 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:24,720 that we will have to come to our own 23 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,790 that we will have to come to our own conclusions on whether or not the 24 00:00:26,790 --> 00:00:26,800 conclusions on whether or not the 25 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,790 conclusions on whether or not the incident between Saber and Emily 26 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:28,800 incident between Saber and Emily 27 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,269 incident between Saber and Emily actually happened. But that's just 28 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:31,279 actually happened. But that's just 29 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:33,270 actually happened. But that's just indicative of how much of a mess this 30 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:33,280 indicative of how much of a mess this 31 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,990 indicative of how much of a mess this whole situation is regardless of what 32 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:36,000 whole situation is regardless of what 33 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,229 whole situation is regardless of what happened. Well, hold your ponies there, 34 00:00:38,229 --> 00:00:38,239 happened. Well, hold your ponies there, 35 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:39,910 happened. Well, hold your ponies there, random commenter, because you've only 36 00:00:39,910 --> 00:00:39,920 random commenter, because you've only 37 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,310 random commenter, because you've only heard one side of this particular story. 38 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:42,320 heard one side of this particular story. 39 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,750 heard one side of this particular story. And by the time that we're done today, 40 00:00:43,750 --> 00:00:43,760 And by the time that we're done today, 41 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,430 And by the time that we're done today, you're going to learn that the truth is 42 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:45,440 you're going to learn that the truth is 43 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,270 you're going to learn that the truth is way more insane than you can possibly 44 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:47,280 way more insane than you can possibly 45 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,350 way more insane than you can possibly imagine. Because what I have for you 46 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:49,360 imagine. Because what I have for you 47 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,670 imagine. Because what I have for you today isn't just the full testimony of 48 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:51,680 today isn't just the full testimony of 49 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,150 today isn't just the full testimony of Saber Spark himself, but also his DMs 50 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:54,160 Saber Spark himself, but also his DMs 51 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,470 Saber Spark himself, but also his DMs with his accuser between December 2012 52 00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:56,480 with his accuser between December 2012 53 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,510 with his accuser between December 2012 and June 2013. Yes, that's right. We're 54 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:59,520 and June 2013. Yes, that's right. We're 55 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,869 and June 2013. Yes, that's right. We're going to finally have some evidence as 56 00:01:00,869 --> 00:01:00,879 going to finally have some evidence as 57 00:01:00,879 --> 00:01:02,389 going to finally have some evidence as to what the relationship between these 58 00:01:02,389 --> 00:01:02,399 to what the relationship between these 59 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:04,469 to what the relationship between these two actually look like. And as you can 60 00:01:04,469 --> 00:01:04,479 two actually look like. And as you can 61 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:06,230 two actually look like. And as you can probably tell from my tone, it doesn't 62 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:06,240 probably tell from my tone, it doesn't 63 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,149 probably tell from my tone, it doesn't really match the narrative Emily is 64 00:01:08,149 --> 00:01:08,159 really match the narrative Emily is 65 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:10,550 really match the narrative Emily is trying to present. But the thing that 66 00:01:10,550 --> 00:01:10,560 trying to present. But the thing that 67 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,670 trying to present. But the thing that makes my head spin is I'm like, "This is 68 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:13,680 makes my head spin is I'm like, "This is 69 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,469 makes my head spin is I'm like, "This is such a destructive and serious thing to 70 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:18,479 such a destructive and serious thing to 71 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:21,270 such a destructive and serious thing to allege." And yeah, it happened a long 72 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:21,280 allege." And yeah, it happened a long 73 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,149 allege." And yeah, it happened a long time ago, but what if there what if 74 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:24,159 time ago, but what if there what if 75 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,550 time ago, but what if there what if there is still evidence that you lied, 76 00:01:26,550 --> 00:01:26,560 there is still evidence that you lied, 77 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,070 there is still evidence that you lied, which by the way, there is. I was able 78 00:01:28,070 --> 00:01:28,080 which by the way, there is. I was able 79 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,510 which by the way, there is. I was able to get the text messages and I will 80 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:29,520 to get the text messages and I will 81 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,749 to get the text messages and I will continue to push forward. I still feel 82 00:01:31,749 --> 00:01:31,759 continue to push forward. I still feel 83 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:33,830 continue to push forward. I still feel like there's still some stones I need to 84 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:33,840 like there's still some stones I need to 85 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,270 like there's still some stones I need to turn over through the most professional 86 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:35,280 turn over through the most professional 87 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,749 turn over through the most professional means possible with data retrieval, 88 00:01:37,749 --> 00:01:37,759 means possible with data retrieval, 89 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:39,190 means possible with data retrieval, though I've spent hundreds so far doing 90 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:39,200 though I've spent hundreds so far doing 91 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,149 though I've spent hundreds so far doing this. Hundreds and hundreds. But, um, as 92 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:42,159 this. Hundreds and hundreds. But, um, as 93 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:43,990 this. Hundreds and hundreds. But, um, as it stands, I've at least found enough to 94 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:44,000 it stands, I've at least found enough to 95 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,389 it stands, I've at least found enough to say that Emily is lying and that what 96 00:01:46,389 --> 00:01:46,399 say that Emily is lying and that what 97 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:49,830 say that Emily is lying and that what she has said is definitively untrue. So, 98 00:01:49,830 --> 00:01:49,840 she has said is definitively untrue. So, 99 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,510 she has said is definitively untrue. So, welcome to part two, ladies and 100 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:51,520 welcome to part two, ladies and 101 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,190 welcome to part two, ladies and gentlemen. Now, we've got a lot to get 102 00:01:53,190 --> 00:01:53,200 gentlemen. Now, we've got a lot to get 103 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,310 gentlemen. Now, we've got a lot to get through, and I don't want to make this 104 00:01:54,310 --> 00:01:54,320 through, and I don't want to make this 105 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,069 through, and I don't want to make this one two hours, so let's get into it. 106 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:58,079 one two hours, so let's get into it. 107 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:00,310 one two hours, so let's get into it. The accusation that I sexually assaulted 108 00:02:00,310 --> 00:02:00,320 The accusation that I sexually assaulted 109 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,789 The accusation that I sexually assaulted someone is completely false. And that 110 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:02,799 someone is completely false. And that 111 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:04,630 someone is completely false. And that triggered me and upset me. Being 112 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:04,640 triggered me and upset me. Being 113 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,709 triggered me and upset me. Being anonymous is more than just not saying 114 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:06,719 anonymous is more than just not saying 115 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:08,550 anonymous is more than just not saying your name. It's actually a lot more 116 00:02:08,550 --> 00:02:08,560 your name. It's actually a lot more 117 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,749 your name. It's actually a lot more difficult than you might think. 118 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:09,759 difficult than you might think. 119 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:11,510 difficult than you might think. Something better could come out of this 120 00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:11,520 Something better could come out of this 121 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,710 Something better could come out of this if you can talk to us. So, let's start 122 00:02:14,710 --> 00:02:14,720 if you can talk to us. So, let's start 123 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,350 if you can talk to us. So, let's start with an insanely quick TLDDR of what's 124 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:17,360 with an insanely quick TLDDR of what's 125 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,430 with an insanely quick TLDDR of what's happened since my video came out. If you 126 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:19,440 happened since my video came out. If you 127 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,190 happened since my video came out. If you would like a more full breakdown, I 128 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:21,200 would like a more full breakdown, I 129 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,550 would like a more full breakdown, I would recommend just going and having a 130 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:22,560 would recommend just going and having a 131 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,470 would recommend just going and having a watch of that. But the cliffnotes are 132 00:02:24,470 --> 00:02:24,480 watch of that. But the cliffnotes are 133 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,630 watch of that. But the cliffnotes are that I love Kim Possible a lot released 134 00:02:26,630 --> 00:02:26,640 that I love Kim Possible a lot released 135 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,110 that I love Kim Possible a lot released a video largely focusing on DA games but 136 00:02:29,110 --> 00:02:29,120 a video largely focusing on DA games but 137 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,030 a video largely focusing on DA games but also including rape allegations against 138 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:31,040 also including rape allegations against 139 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,430 also including rape allegations against Saber Spark. This didn't go down very 140 00:02:33,430 --> 00:02:33,440 Saber Spark. This didn't go down very 141 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,190 Saber Spark. This didn't go down very well and has led to the exposure of a 142 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:35,200 well and has led to the exposure of a 143 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,350 well and has led to the exposure of a years'sl long conspiracy. The people 144 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:37,360 years'sl long conspiracy. The people 145 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,430 years'sl long conspiracy. The people involved in this bizarre web of intrigue 146 00:02:39,430 --> 00:02:39,440 involved in this bizarre web of intrigue 147 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,910 involved in this bizarre web of intrigue have taken a range of tactics to avoid 148 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:41,920 have taken a range of tactics to avoid 149 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:44,229 have taken a range of tactics to avoid culpability. From pretending they're not 150 00:02:44,229 --> 00:02:44,239 culpability. From pretending they're not 151 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:45,830 culpability. From pretending they're not involved and basically knew nothing 152 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:45,840 involved and basically knew nothing 153 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,229 involved and basically knew nothing about it all the way to smuggly tweeting 154 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:48,239 about it all the way to smuggly tweeting 155 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:50,150 about it all the way to smuggly tweeting as though they've done nothing wrong. 156 00:02:50,150 --> 00:02:50,160 as though they've done nothing wrong. 157 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,070 as though they've done nothing wrong. Oh, and Brony Fandone was released from 158 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:52,080 Oh, and Brony Fandone was released from 159 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,750 Oh, and Brony Fandone was released from hospital and is now doing everything he 160 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:53,760 hospital and is now doing everything he 161 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,990 hospital and is now doing everything he can to try and rebuild his shattered 162 00:02:55,990 --> 00:02:56,000 can to try and rebuild his shattered 163 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,470 can to try and rebuild his shattered reputation. But perhaps far more 164 00:02:58,470 --> 00:02:58,480 reputation. But perhaps far more 165 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,190 reputation. But perhaps far more importantly, Emu Emmy did an interview 166 00:03:01,190 --> 00:03:01,200 importantly, Emu Emmy did an interview 167 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,430 importantly, Emu Emmy did an interview with Mr. Enter and he would release this 168 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:03,440 with Mr. Enter and he would release this 169 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,990 with Mr. Enter and he would release this along with his video on June the 2nd. 170 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:06,000 along with his video on June the 2nd. 171 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,990 along with his video on June the 2nd. Now, don't worry, we will actually come 172 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:08,000 Now, don't worry, we will actually come 173 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,509 Now, don't worry, we will actually come back to this interview because it 174 00:03:09,509 --> 00:03:09,519 back to this interview because it 175 00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:11,350 back to this interview because it contains some pretty fascinating 176 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:11,360 contains some pretty fascinating 177 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,190 contains some pretty fascinating information. But for those who've been 178 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:13,200 information. But for those who've been 179 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,030 information. But for those who've been looking for my take on Enter's video, I 180 00:03:15,030 --> 00:03:15,040 looking for my take on Enter's video, I 181 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,110 looking for my take on Enter's video, I think it's broadly speaking fine and 182 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:17,120 think it's broadly speaking fine and 183 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,430 think it's broadly speaking fine and what I expected. In many ways, Enter had 184 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:19,440 what I expected. In many ways, Enter had 185 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,750 what I expected. In many ways, Enter had the far harder job than me and seems to 186 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:21,760 the far harder job than me and seems to 187 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,750 the far harder job than me and seems to have worked well with what he had. From 188 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:23,760 have worked well with what he had. From 189 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,190 have worked well with what he had. From here on out, I'm going to work largely 190 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:25,200 here on out, I'm going to work largely 191 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,949 here on out, I'm going to work largely on the basis that most of you are going 192 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:26,959 on the basis that most of you are going 193 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,630 on the basis that most of you are going to know what's happened and the parties 194 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:28,640 to know what's happened and the parties 195 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,030 to know what's happened and the parties involved. However, I do think it is 196 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:31,040 involved. However, I do think it is 197 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,789 involved. However, I do think it is worth providing a refresher on Saber 198 00:03:32,789 --> 00:03:32,799 worth providing a refresher on Saber 199 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:34,309 worth providing a refresher on Saber Spark's accuser as well as the 200 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:34,319 Spark's accuser as well as the 201 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,869 Spark's accuser as well as the allegations themselves. On May 1st, 202 00:03:36,869 --> 00:03:36,879 allegations themselves. On May 1st, 203 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,190 allegations themselves. On May 1st, 2025, anonymous allegations would drop 204 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:39,200 2025, anonymous allegations would drop 205 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:40,550 2025, anonymous allegations would drop against Saber Spark that he had 206 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:40,560 against Saber Spark that he had 207 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,710 against Saber Spark that he had committed sexual assault. It would then 208 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:42,720 committed sexual assault. It would then 209 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,710 committed sexual assault. It would then be revealed that the accuser was Emu 210 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:44,720 be revealed that the accuser was Emu 211 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,789 be revealed that the accuser was Emu Emmy, a fairly sized creator largely 212 00:03:46,789 --> 00:03:46,799 Emmy, a fairly sized creator largely 213 00:03:46,799 --> 00:03:48,390 Emmy, a fairly sized creator largely focused around the Sonic fandom, though 214 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:48,400 focused around the Sonic fandom, though 215 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,470 focused around the Sonic fandom, though with a long history involving the Brony 216 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:50,480 with a long history involving the Brony 217 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,710 with a long history involving the Brony fandom. This caused some issue because 218 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:52,720 fandom. This caused some issue because 219 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,830 fandom. This caused some issue because Emily's history is somewhat complicated 220 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:55,840 Emily's history is somewhat complicated 221 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,670 Emily's history is somewhat complicated and contains multiple other 222 00:03:57,670 --> 00:03:57,680 and contains multiple other 223 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,149 and contains multiple other controversies involving sex scandals. 224 00:04:00,149 --> 00:04:00,159 controversies involving sex scandals. 225 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:01,990 controversies involving sex scandals. The ones most of you will be aware of 226 00:04:01,990 --> 00:04:02,000 The ones most of you will be aware of 227 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,670 The ones most of you will be aware of will be her relationship with former 228 00:04:03,670 --> 00:04:03,680 will be her relationship with former 229 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,589 will be her relationship with former Sonic voice actor Ryan Drummond, as well 230 00:04:05,589 --> 00:04:05,599 Sonic voice actor Ryan Drummond, as well 231 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,670 Sonic voice actor Ryan Drummond, as well as Emily's appearance on Dr. Phil in an 232 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:07,680 as Emily's appearance on Dr. Phil in an 233 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,110 as Emily's appearance on Dr. Phil in an episode about her wanting to be a 234 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:09,120 episode about her wanting to be a 235 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,270 episode about her wanting to be a teenage mother. There are a couple of 236 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:11,280 teenage mother. There are a couple of 237 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,949 teenage mother. There are a couple of issues with finding out that it is Emily 238 00:04:12,949 --> 00:04:12,959 issues with finding out that it is Emily 239 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:15,270 issues with finding out that it is Emily making these accusations. Firstly, this 240 00:04:15,270 --> 00:04:15,280 making these accusations. Firstly, this 241 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,189 making these accusations. Firstly, this chick has about as much credibility as a 242 00:04:17,189 --> 00:04:17,199 chick has about as much credibility as a 243 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:18,870 chick has about as much credibility as a homeless man wearing a sign saying the 244 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:18,880 homeless man wearing a sign saying the 245 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,949 homeless man wearing a sign saying the end is nigh. With many of her former 246 00:04:20,949 --> 00:04:20,959 end is nigh. With many of her former 247 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,030 end is nigh. With many of her former issues being outlined in Lance's video, 248 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:23,040 issues being outlined in Lance's video, 249 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,430 issues being outlined in Lance's video, The Queen falls. Though, secondly, and 250 00:04:25,430 --> 00:04:25,440 The Queen falls. Though, secondly, and 251 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,270 The Queen falls. Though, secondly, and most importantly, Emily's testimony 252 00:04:27,270 --> 00:04:27,280 most importantly, Emily's testimony 253 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,710 most importantly, Emily's testimony reads like it's written about a 254 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:28,720 reads like it's written about a 255 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,030 reads like it's written about a completely different person. If you know 256 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:31,040 completely different person. If you know 257 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,430 completely different person. If you know anything about Emu Emmy, the statement 258 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:33,440 anything about Emu Emmy, the statement 259 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,990 anything about Emu Emmy, the statement itself reads like fantasy. Now, because 260 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:36,000 itself reads like fantasy. Now, because 261 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,909 itself reads like fantasy. Now, because of these text messages, I can say she 262 00:04:37,909 --> 00:04:37,919 of these text messages, I can say she 263 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:40,310 of these text messages, I can say she has omitted key details as to the nature 264 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:40,320 has omitted key details as to the nature 265 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,710 has omitted key details as to the nature of their relationship. They were far 266 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:42,720 of their relationship. They were far 267 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,550 of their relationship. They were far closer than she is claiming in her 268 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:44,560 closer than she is claiming in her 269 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,629 closer than she is claiming in her statements and in her correspondence to 270 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:46,639 statements and in her correspondence to 271 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,110 statements and in her correspondence to other people looking into this story. 272 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:49,120 other people looking into this story. 273 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,790 other people looking into this story. The reason this is so important is 274 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:50,800 The reason this is so important is 275 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,469 The reason this is so important is because the accusations against Saber 276 00:04:52,469 --> 00:04:52,479 because the accusations against Saber 277 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:54,310 because the accusations against Saber Spark are dependent on what their 278 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:54,320 Spark are dependent on what their 279 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,390 Spark are dependent on what their relationship looked like. Emily claims 280 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:56,400 relationship looked like. Emily claims 281 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,990 relationship looked like. Emily claims that they had limited interactions 282 00:04:57,990 --> 00:04:58,000 that they had limited interactions 283 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,189 that they had limited interactions ending after November of 2012. In that 284 00:05:01,189 --> 00:05:01,199 ending after November of 2012. In that 285 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:02,870 ending after November of 2012. In that time, they would have two sexual 286 00:05:02,870 --> 00:05:02,880 time, they would have two sexual 287 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,870 time, they would have two sexual encounters, once in a hotel room and 288 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:04,880 encounters, once in a hotel room and 289 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,950 encounters, once in a hotel room and once in a bathroom. Both would take 290 00:05:06,950 --> 00:05:06,960 once in a bathroom. Both would take 291 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,469 once in a bathroom. Both would take place at conventions. The first at 292 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:08,479 place at conventions. The first at 293 00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:10,230 place at conventions. The first at Canterlot Gardens in September and the 294 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:10,240 Canterlot Gardens in September and the 295 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,350 Canterlot Gardens in September and the second at Equestria LA in November. The 296 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:13,360 second at Equestria LA in November. The 297 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,590 second at Equestria LA in November. The key to both of these allegations is that 298 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:15,600 key to both of these allegations is that 299 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,350 key to both of these allegations is that Emily claims they essentially came as a 300 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:17,360 Emily claims they essentially came as a 301 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,950 Emily claims they essentially came as a surprise to her with Saber Spark 302 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:18,960 surprise to her with Saber Spark 303 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,270 surprise to her with Saber Spark essentially forcing her into them. For 304 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:21,280 essentially forcing her into them. For 305 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,590 essentially forcing her into them. For that reason, she was distancing herself 306 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:23,600 that reason, she was distancing herself 307 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,830 that reason, she was distancing herself from him and by the end of November 308 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:25,840 from him and by the end of November 309 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:28,469 from him and by the end of November wanted nothing to do with him, which 310 00:05:28,469 --> 00:05:28,479 wanted nothing to do with him, which 311 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,150 wanted nothing to do with him, which causes a little bit of an issue when we 312 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:30,160 causes a little bit of an issue when we 313 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,550 causes a little bit of an issue when we find a further 6 months of very pleasant 314 00:05:32,550 --> 00:05:32,560 find a further 6 months of very pleasant 315 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,469 find a further 6 months of very pleasant correspondence between the two. Though, 316 00:05:34,469 --> 00:05:34,479 correspondence between the two. Though, 317 00:05:34,479 --> 00:05:36,070 correspondence between the two. Though, I am pleased to tell you at least one 318 00:05:36,070 --> 00:05:36,080 I am pleased to tell you at least one 319 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,749 I am pleased to tell you at least one element of all of this has remained 320 00:05:37,749 --> 00:05:37,759 element of all of this has remained 321 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:39,909 element of all of this has remained consistent for over the last decade, and 322 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:39,919 consistent for over the last decade, and 323 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:41,670 consistent for over the last decade, and that would be Emily's anger at 324 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:41,680 that would be Emily's anger at 325 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,230 that would be Emily's anger at rejection. Which brings us to Saber 326 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:44,240 rejection. Which brings us to Saber 327 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,029 rejection. Which brings us to Saber Spark, because obviously since his 328 00:05:47,029 --> 00:05:47,039 Spark, because obviously since his 329 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:49,830 Spark, because obviously since his response came out, he has not been idol. 330 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:49,840 response came out, he has not been idol. 331 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,749 response came out, he has not been idol. Now, he did speak to us after his 332 00:05:51,749 --> 00:05:51,759 Now, he did speak to us after his 333 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,510 Now, he did speak to us after his response, but that was all off the 334 00:05:53,510 --> 00:05:53,520 response, but that was all off the 335 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,830 response, but that was all off the record. So, I tried very hard to balance 336 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:55,840 record. So, I tried very hard to balance 337 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,390 record. So, I tried very hard to balance that in part one because, as you may 338 00:05:58,390 --> 00:05:58,400 that in part one because, as you may 339 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,270 that in part one because, as you may have gathered, Sabre and Emmy did have 340 00:06:01,270 --> 00:06:01,280 have gathered, Sabre and Emmy did have 341 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,670 have gathered, Sabre and Emmy did have some kind of a relationship. And for a 342 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:03,680 some kind of a relationship. And for a 343 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,670 some kind of a relationship. And for a couple of reasons, Sabre wasn't prepared 344 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:05,680 couple of reasons, Sabre wasn't prepared 345 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,909 couple of reasons, Sabre wasn't prepared to go on the record and talk about it at 346 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:07,919 to go on the record and talk about it at 347 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:10,150 to go on the record and talk about it at that time. The most pressing is that 348 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:10,160 that time. The most pressing is that 349 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,230 that time. The most pressing is that Sabre was sure that there would be 350 00:06:12,230 --> 00:06:12,240 Sabre was sure that there would be 351 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,670 Sabre was sure that there would be evidence that would support his 352 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:13,680 evidence that would support his 353 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,270 evidence that would support his innocence in the face of these 354 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:15,280 innocence in the face of these 355 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:17,749 innocence in the face of these allegations. So use that time to turn 356 00:06:17,749 --> 00:06:17,759 allegations. So use that time to turn 357 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,390 allegations. So use that time to turn his house upside down looking for old 358 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:20,400 his house upside down looking for old 359 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,029 his house upside down looking for old hard drives, old phones, anything that 360 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:23,039 hard drives, old phones, anything that 361 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,430 hard drives, old phones, anything that may still hold those records. While 362 00:06:25,430 --> 00:06:25,440 may still hold those records. While 363 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,710 may still hold those records. While there have been undoubtedly dead ends, 364 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:28,720 there have been undoubtedly dead ends, 365 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,110 there have been undoubtedly dead ends, Sabre's actually consistently documented 366 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:31,120 Sabre's actually consistently documented 367 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,790 Sabre's actually consistently documented the work he's done to prove his 368 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:32,800 the work he's done to prove his 369 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,990 the work he's done to prove his innocence. And timing being everything, 370 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:36,000 innocence. And timing being everything, 371 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,430 innocence. And timing being everything, Sabre would actually only get a hold of 372 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:37,440 Sabre would actually only get a hold of 373 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,230 Sabre would actually only get a hold of these text messages the day enters video 374 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:40,240 these text messages the day enters video 375 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,950 these text messages the day enters video goes live. The problem with accusations 376 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:42,960 goes live. The problem with accusations 377 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,590 goes live. The problem with accusations like these that are once again over a 378 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:45,600 like these that are once again over a 379 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,790 like these that are once again over a decade old is that any response you give 380 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:48,800 decade old is that any response you give 381 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,189 decade old is that any response you give outside of some actual bloody evidence 382 00:06:51,189 --> 00:06:51,199 outside of some actual bloody evidence 383 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:53,430 outside of some actual bloody evidence will be used against you to paint you as 384 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:53,440 will be used against you to paint you as 385 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,510 will be used against you to paint you as guilty. And Sabre seems to have 386 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:55,520 guilty. And Sabre seems to have 387 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,830 guilty. And Sabre seems to have correctly assessed this fact because its 388 00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:57,840 correctly assessed this fact because its 389 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,150 correctly assessed this fact because its options were insanely limited. Even 390 00:07:00,150 --> 00:07:00,160 options were insanely limited. Even 391 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,230 options were insanely limited. Even saying nothing beyond a flat denial has 392 00:07:02,230 --> 00:07:02,240 saying nothing beyond a flat denial has 393 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,309 saying nothing beyond a flat denial has been used against him. And that's 394 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:04,319 been used against him. And that's 395 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:06,230 been used against him. And that's understandable. People don't really care 396 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:06,240 understandable. People don't really care 397 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,070 understandable. People don't really care what Saber's side is. People care that 398 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:08,080 what Saber's side is. People care that 399 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,550 what Saber's side is. People care that they hate Sabre and want an excuse to 400 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:10,560 they hate Sabre and want an excuse to 401 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,629 they hate Sabre and want an excuse to take a shot at him. I get this. There's 402 00:07:12,629 --> 00:07:12,639 take a shot at him. I get this. There's 403 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:14,950 take a shot at him. I get this. There's content creators I don't like, and it's 404 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:14,960 content creators I don't like, and it's 405 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,350 content creators I don't like, and it's fun to see them fall face first into the 406 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:17,360 fun to see them fall face first into the 407 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,909 fun to see them fall face first into the dirt. But realistically speaking, 408 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:19,919 dirt. But realistically speaking, 409 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:22,309 dirt. But realistically speaking, without any evidence, his testimony 410 00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:22,319 without any evidence, his testimony 411 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,870 without any evidence, his testimony would still be treated as a he said, she 412 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:24,880 would still be treated as a he said, she 413 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,110 would still be treated as a he said, she said. In situations like that, the 414 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:27,120 said. In situations like that, the 415 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,189 said. In situations like that, the question comes down to the credibility 416 00:07:29,189 --> 00:07:29,199 question comes down to the credibility 417 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:31,830 question comes down to the credibility of the accuser, which is why Emily was 418 00:07:31,830 --> 00:07:31,840 of the accuser, which is why Emily was 419 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,510 of the accuser, which is why Emily was asked over the course of a 3-hour 420 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:33,520 asked over the course of a 3-hour 421 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,589 asked over the course of a 3-hour interview to address her former 422 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:35,599 interview to address her former 423 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:37,110 interview to address her former controversies. 424 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:37,120 controversies. 425 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,270 controversies. However, if you even have to have a call 426 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:39,280 However, if you even have to have a call 427 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,270 However, if you even have to have a call that is multiple hours long with an 428 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:41,280 that is multiple hours long with an 429 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,350 that is multiple hours long with an accuser to try and establish their 430 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:43,360 accuser to try and establish their 431 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,990 accuser to try and establish their credibility, I'd argue that's not a 432 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:46,000 credibility, I'd argue that's not a 433 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,110 credibility, I'd argue that's not a particularly good sign. And one thing I 434 00:07:49,110 --> 00:07:49,120 particularly good sign. And one thing I 435 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,270 particularly good sign. And one thing I want to make crystal clear to all of you 436 00:07:51,270 --> 00:07:51,280 want to make crystal clear to all of you 437 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,430 want to make crystal clear to all of you is that Emily has lied multiple times, 438 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:53,440 is that Emily has lied multiple times, 439 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,070 is that Emily has lied multiple times, both privately and publicly, in an 440 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:56,080 both privately and publicly, in an 441 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,670 both privately and publicly, in an attempt to obiscate what her 442 00:07:57,670 --> 00:07:57,680 attempt to obiscate what her 443 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,350 attempt to obiscate what her relationship with Saber Spark looked 444 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:59,360 relationship with Saber Spark looked 445 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,629 relationship with Saber Spark looked like. That's not just my opinion, by the 446 00:08:02,629 --> 00:08:02,639 like. That's not just my opinion, by the 447 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:05,029 like. That's not just my opinion, by the way, because once I'd had time to review 448 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:05,039 way, because once I'd had time to review 449 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:08,309 way, because once I'd had time to review these DMs, I reached out to Mr. Enter. 450 00:08:08,309 --> 00:08:08,319 these DMs, I reached out to Mr. Enter. 451 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,390 these DMs, I reached out to Mr. Enter. Thinking it only fair that he'd be given 452 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:10,400 Thinking it only fair that he'd be given 453 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,790 Thinking it only fair that he'd be given a fuller picture. And as you may 454 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:12,800 a fuller picture. And as you may 455 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,230 a fuller picture. And as you may imagine, he was [\h__\h] pissed. Enter. 456 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:16,240 imagine, he was [\h__\h] pissed. Enter. 457 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,550 imagine, he was [\h__\h] pissed. Enter. Thanks for chatting with me. Uh this is 458 00:08:18,550 --> 00:08:18,560 Thanks for chatting with me. Uh this is 459 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,710 Thanks for chatting with me. Uh this is just a very simple one cuz we've uh kind 460 00:08:20,710 --> 00:08:20,720 just a very simple one cuz we've uh kind 461 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,749 just a very simple one cuz we've uh kind of discussed these DMs, but considering 462 00:08:23,749 --> 00:08:23,759 of discussed these DMs, but considering 463 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:26,469 of discussed these DMs, but considering the fact that when going through this 464 00:08:26,469 --> 00:08:26,479 the fact that when going through this 465 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:28,790 the fact that when going through this kind of conversation with Emily, she 466 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:28,800 kind of conversation with Emily, she 467 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,430 kind of conversation with Emily, she just outright lied to you about the fact 468 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:31,440 just outright lied to you about the fact 469 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,909 just outright lied to you about the fact that she pulled away, Sabre didn't 470 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:33,919 that she pulled away, Sabre didn't 471 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,350 that she pulled away, Sabre didn't contact her, um and this sort of like 472 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:37,360 contact her, um and this sort of like 473 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,149 contact her, um and this sort of like their communication ended by sort of 474 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:40,159 their communication ended by sort of 475 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,310 their communication ended by sort of late November. 476 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:42,320 late November. 477 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,030 late November. Knowing what you know now, I I guess 478 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:45,040 Knowing what you know now, I I guess 479 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,550 Knowing what you know now, I I guess what are your thoughts and opinions 480 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:46,560 what are your thoughts and opinions 481 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,230 what are your thoughts and opinions considering they had another six months 482 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:48,240 considering they had another six months 483 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,949 considering they had another six months of correspondence? 484 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:50,959 of correspondence? 485 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:55,670 of correspondence? I am very angry at Emily. That's for 486 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:55,680 I am very angry at Emily. That's for 487 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,350 I am very angry at Emily. That's for start. Like it it really is 488 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:57,360 start. Like it it really is 489 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,430 start. Like it it really is indescribable what I feel like anger, 490 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:01,440 indescribable what I feel like anger, 491 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,190 indescribable what I feel like anger, annoyance, 492 00:09:03,190 --> 00:09:03,200 annoyance, 493 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,870 annoyance, disgust because like we were some of the 494 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:06,880 disgust because like we were some of the 495 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,030 disgust because like we were some of the people who were talking to her, like 496 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:09,040 people who were talking to her, like 497 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,350 people who were talking to her, like some of the only people who were talking 498 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:11,360 some of the only people who were talking 499 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,110 some of the only people who were talking with her and she still lied to us. 500 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:15,120 with her and she still lied to us. 501 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,509 with her and she still lied to us. I mean, I think yeah, I I've I've seen 502 00:09:17,509 --> 00:09:17,519 I mean, I think yeah, I I've I've seen 503 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:19,750 I mean, I think yeah, I I've I've seen these DMs between you all and it seems 504 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:19,760 these DMs between you all and it seems 505 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,350 these DMs between you all and it seems like you were pretty thorough with 506 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:21,360 like you were pretty thorough with 507 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,670 like you were pretty thorough with asking questions. I don't know. It it 508 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:23,680 asking questions. I don't know. It it 509 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,150 asking questions. I don't know. It it seems crazy that 510 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:26,160 seems crazy that 511 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,389 seems crazy that she was so determined to try and spin a 512 00:09:28,389 --> 00:09:28,399 she was so determined to try and spin a 513 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,790 she was so determined to try and spin a narrative to you guys and still couldn't 514 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:30,800 narrative to you guys and still couldn't 515 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,829 narrative to you guys and still couldn't just be honest cuz what I find kind of 516 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:33,839 just be honest cuz what I find kind of 517 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:35,590 just be honest cuz what I find kind of crazy as well is she could have just 518 00:09:35,590 --> 00:09:35,600 crazy as well is she could have just 519 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,870 crazy as well is she could have just said, "Yeah, yeah, I continued talking 520 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:36,880 said, "Yeah, yeah, I continued talking 521 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,430 said, "Yeah, yeah, I continued talking to Sabre for 6 months." Yeah, 522 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:39,440 to Sabre for 6 months." Yeah, 523 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,550 to Sabre for 6 months." Yeah, absolutely. She she could have done any 524 00:09:42,550 --> 00:09:42,560 absolutely. She she could have done any 525 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,790 absolutely. She she could have done any number of things, but like the the 526 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:44,800 number of things, but like the the 527 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,509 number of things, but like the the contradictions are like right there now 528 00:09:47,509 --> 00:09:47,519 contradictions are like right there now 529 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:52,150 contradictions are like right there now that we have Saber's information. 530 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:52,160 531 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,870 I maybe she assumed that he'd never be 532 00:09:54,870 --> 00:09:54,880 I maybe she assumed that he'd never be 533 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,949 I maybe she assumed that he'd never be able to find it, which is a stupid 534 00:09:56,949 --> 00:09:56,959 able to find it, which is a stupid 535 00:09:56,959 --> 00:10:00,470 able to find it, which is a stupid assumption, but like I I don't get the 536 00:10:00,470 --> 00:10:00,480 assumption, but like I I don't get the 537 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,550 assumption, but like I I don't get the logic. Like I'm baffled on every level. 538 00:10:04,550 --> 00:10:04,560 logic. Like I'm baffled on every level. 539 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,070 logic. Like I'm baffled on every level. Yeah, I do think that she was sort of 540 00:10:06,070 --> 00:10:06,080 Yeah, I do think that she was sort of 541 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,150 Yeah, I do think that she was sort of hedging her bets. And I think because 542 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:08,160 hedging her bets. And I think because 543 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,110 hedging her bets. And I think because Sabers's, you know, it's been a long 544 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:11,120 Sabers's, you know, it's been a long 545 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,990 Sabers's, you know, it's been a long time. I think Sabre says this actually 546 00:10:13,990 --> 00:10:14,000 time. I think Sabre says this actually 547 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,069 time. I think Sabre says this actually when talking to me. It's, you know, it's 548 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:16,079 when talking to me. It's, you know, it's 549 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:17,990 when talking to me. It's, you know, it's like 12 years ago, but you you know, 550 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:18,000 like 12 years ago, but you you know, 551 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,829 like 12 years ago, but you you know, it's a hell of a gamble that Saber would 552 00:10:19,829 --> 00:10:19,839 it's a hell of a gamble that Saber would 553 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:23,990 it's a hell of a gamble that Saber would have no no data at all. Um, and I think 554 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:24,000 have no no data at all. Um, and I think 555 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,949 have no no data at all. Um, and I think that that that was the bet and seems 556 00:10:26,949 --> 00:10:26,959 that that that was the bet and seems 557 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:29,030 that that that was the bet and seems like the bet didn't work. Considering 558 00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:29,040 like the bet didn't work. Considering 559 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,350 like the bet didn't work. Considering the [\h__\h] Brony Fandone has tried to pull 560 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:31,360 the [\h__\h] Brony Fandone has tried to pull 561 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,990 the [\h__\h] Brony Fandone has tried to pull with Enter, I imagine this felt like the 562 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:34,000 with Enter, I imagine this felt like the 563 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,550 with Enter, I imagine this felt like the icing on the cake. But don't worry, I'm 564 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:36,560 icing on the cake. But don't worry, I'm 565 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,949 icing on the cake. But don't worry, I'm not about to let Bonk run away from 566 00:10:38,949 --> 00:10:38,959 not about to let Bonk run away from 567 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,750 not about to let Bonk run away from this. So later in this video, we're 568 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:41,760 this. So later in this video, we're 569 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,069 this. So later in this video, we're going to go over his DMs with Enter and 570 00:10:44,069 --> 00:10:44,079 going to go over his DMs with Enter and 571 00:10:44,079 --> 00:10:47,269 going to go over his DMs with Enter and the insane [\h__\h] he was saying to him. 572 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:47,279 the insane [\h__\h] he was saying to him. 573 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:50,150 the insane [\h__\h] he was saying to him. Before all of the fun to come, let's get 574 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:50,160 Before all of the fun to come, let's get 575 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,790 Before all of the fun to come, let's get to why the majority of you are here. The 576 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:52,800 to why the majority of you are here. The 577 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,710 to why the majority of you are here. The best way I can kind of break this all 578 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:54,720 best way I can kind of break this all 579 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,030 best way I can kind of break this all down for you is firstly to give you 580 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:57,040 down for you is firstly to give you 581 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,590 down for you is firstly to give you Saber Spark's testimony and then we can 582 00:10:59,590 --> 00:10:59,600 Saber Spark's testimony and then we can 583 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,990 Saber Spark's testimony and then we can move on to why these text messages give 584 00:11:01,990 --> 00:11:02,000 move on to why these text messages give 585 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,710 move on to why these text messages give credibility to his version of events. 586 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:04,720 credibility to his version of events. 587 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,430 credibility to his version of events. Now, one quick disclaimer. Regular 588 00:11:07,430 --> 00:11:07,440 Now, one quick disclaimer. Regular 589 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,949 Now, one quick disclaimer. Regular viewers will be aware that I like to 590 00:11:08,949 --> 00:11:08,959 viewers will be aware that I like to 591 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:11,590 viewers will be aware that I like to show full interview sections. There's a 592 00:11:11,590 --> 00:11:11,600 show full interview sections. There's a 593 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,870 show full interview sections. There's a couple of reasons for this, but it's 594 00:11:12,870 --> 00:11:12,880 couple of reasons for this, but it's 595 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,870 couple of reasons for this, but it's mostly so you guys get to see the full 596 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:14,880 mostly so you guys get to see the full 597 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,870 mostly so you guys get to see the full conversation rather than me linking to 598 00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:16,880 conversation rather than me linking to 599 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,430 conversation rather than me linking to some hours long video that, let's be 600 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:19,440 some hours long video that, let's be 601 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,350 some hours long video that, let's be honest, barely anyone's going to watch. 602 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:21,360 honest, barely anyone's going to watch. 603 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,110 honest, barely anyone's going to watch. But given that this conversation was 604 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:23,120 But given that this conversation was 605 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,069 But given that this conversation was largely a very detailed testimony, it is 606 00:11:26,069 --> 00:11:26,079 largely a very detailed testimony, it is 607 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:28,230 largely a very detailed testimony, it is insanely long. So, I'm going to break 608 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:28,240 insanely long. So, I'm going to break 609 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,910 insanely long. So, I'm going to break this up a little bit versus Emily's 610 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:29,920 this up a little bit versus Emily's 611 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,829 this up a little bit versus Emily's original statements, and I've also made 612 00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:31,839 original statements, and I've also made 613 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:33,509 original statements, and I've also made a couple of edits just to maintain the 614 00:11:33,509 --> 00:11:33,519 a couple of edits just to maintain the 615 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,590 a couple of edits just to maintain the flow of the conversation. Let's start 616 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:35,600 flow of the conversation. Let's start 617 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,110 flow of the conversation. Let's start with how you met Emily. 618 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:39,120 with how you met Emily. 619 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,430 with how you met Emily. We connected just from being in the 620 00:11:41,430 --> 00:11:41,440 We connected just from being in the 621 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,990 We connected just from being in the Bernie fandom. Uh 2012 was the year 622 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:44,000 Bernie fandom. Uh 2012 was the year 623 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,590 Bernie fandom. Uh 2012 was the year where the fandom really took off. I 624 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:45,600 where the fandom really took off. I 625 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,509 where the fandom really took off. I mean, technically 2010, 2011, but 2012 626 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:49,519 mean, technically 2010, 2011, but 2012 627 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:51,110 mean, technically 2010, 2011, but 2012 was when the conventions really showed 628 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:51,120 was when the conventions really showed 629 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,150 was when the conventions really showed up in force. Uh where the fandom just 630 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:54,160 up in force. Uh where the fandom just 631 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,829 up in force. Uh where the fandom just took off. There was something just so 632 00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:57,839 took off. There was something just so 633 00:11:57,839 --> 00:11:59,990 took off. There was something just so electrifying about the fandom after 634 00:11:59,990 --> 00:12:00,000 electrifying about the fandom after 635 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,230 electrifying about the fandom after Brony Con 2012, which I was able to go 636 00:12:02,230 --> 00:12:02,240 Brony Con 2012, which I was able to go 637 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,870 Brony Con 2012, which I was able to go to. And I actually went to four 638 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:04,880 to. And I actually went to four 639 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,509 to. And I actually went to four conventions in 2012. I went to Bernie 640 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:07,519 conventions in 2012. I went to Bernie 641 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,990 conventions in 2012. I went to Bernie Con, Everree Northwest, Carol Gardens, 642 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:10,000 Con, Everree Northwest, Carol Gardens, 643 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,230 Con, Everree Northwest, Carol Gardens, and Equestria LA. And I remember um 644 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:14,240 and Equestria LA. And I remember um 645 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,829 and Equestria LA. And I remember um being told by the con chef for Cal 646 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:15,839 being told by the con chef for Cal 647 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:17,430 being told by the con chef for Cal Gardens, who was like, "Hey, we want to 648 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:17,440 Gardens, who was like, "Hey, we want to 649 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,829 Gardens, who was like, "Hey, we want to fly you out to Ohio to come to our 650 00:12:19,829 --> 00:12:19,839 fly you out to Ohio to come to our 651 00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:21,030 fly you out to Ohio to come to our convention." I'm like, "That sounds 652 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:21,040 convention." I'm like, "That sounds 653 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,750 convention." I'm like, "That sounds great." And the rest of the summer, I 654 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:23,760 great." And the rest of the summer, I 655 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,590 great." And the rest of the summer, I was looking forward to it. Uh get to go 656 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:25,600 was looking forward to it. Uh get to go 657 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,150 was looking forward to it. Uh get to go see my friends again, uh Everfree Radio, 658 00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:28,160 see my friends again, uh Everfree Radio, 659 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,550 see my friends again, uh Everfree Radio, which is uh Everree Network at the end 660 00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:30,560 which is uh Everree Network at the end 661 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,629 which is uh Everree Network at the end of its run. uh they were going to be 662 00:12:32,629 --> 00:12:32,639 of its run. uh they were going to be 663 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,110 of its run. uh they were going to be there meeting a bunch of the show staff 664 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:35,120 there meeting a bunch of the show staff 665 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,949 there meeting a bunch of the show staff um hanging out with people having fun 666 00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:36,959 um hanging out with people having fun 667 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:39,030 um hanging out with people having fun doing panels uh just networking having a 668 00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:39,040 doing panels uh just networking having a 669 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,310 doing panels uh just networking having a great time and I was doing brony videos 670 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:42,320 great time and I was doing brony videos 671 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,750 great time and I was doing brony videos at the time like top 10s I was building 672 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:45,760 at the time like top 10s I was building 673 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,670 at the time like top 10s I was building a name for myself on YouTube I think I 674 00:12:47,670 --> 00:12:47,680 a name for myself on YouTube I think I 675 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:50,949 a name for myself on YouTube I think I had around like 20 or 25,000 subscribers 676 00:12:50,949 --> 00:12:50,959 had around like 20 or 25,000 subscribers 677 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:52,949 had around like 20 or 25,000 subscribers and above all else I was hosting a 678 00:12:52,949 --> 00:12:52,959 and above all else I was hosting a 679 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:55,750 and above all else I was hosting a podcast uh with my friend Paleo Steno 680 00:12:55,750 --> 00:12:55,760 podcast uh with my friend Paleo Steno 681 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,509 podcast uh with my friend Paleo Steno and it was called Bernie Breakdown and 682 00:12:57,509 --> 00:12:57,519 and it was called Bernie Breakdown and 683 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:59,430 and it was called Bernie Breakdown and we've been doing that since I think the 684 00:12:59,430 --> 00:12:59,440 we've been doing that since I think the 685 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,269 we've been doing that since I think the beginning of 2012 if I'm correct. Yeah. 686 00:13:01,269 --> 00:13:01,279 beginning of 2012 if I'm correct. Yeah. 687 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:02,949 beginning of 2012 if I'm correct. Yeah. pretty sure actually it might have even 688 00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:02,959 pretty sure actually it might have even 689 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:06,389 pretty sure actually it might have even been late 2011. So, 690 00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:06,399 been late 2011. So, 691 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:08,949 been late 2011. So, um, in the process of having the show, 692 00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:08,959 um, in the process of having the show, 693 00:13:08,959 --> 00:13:11,670 um, in the process of having the show, we got picked up by EverFree Radio for 694 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:11,680 we got picked up by EverFree Radio for 695 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,150 we got picked up by EverFree Radio for them to work alongside us and host it as 696 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:14,160 them to work alongside us and host it as 697 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,990 them to work alongside us and host it as well. Um, and I'm pretty damn sure 698 00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:18,000 well. Um, and I'm pretty damn sure 699 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,829 well. Um, and I'm pretty damn sure that's how we connected, me and Emily, 700 00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:19,839 that's how we connected, me and Emily, 701 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:22,550 that's how we connected, me and Emily, cuz she would watch the show. And at 702 00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:22,560 cuz she would watch the show. And at 703 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,629 cuz she would watch the show. And at that time, like bronies were so excited 704 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:24,639 that time, like bronies were so excited 705 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,230 that time, like bronies were so excited to be like, "You're a brony, I'm a 706 00:13:26,230 --> 00:13:26,240 to be like, "You're a brony, I'm a 707 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,509 to be like, "You're a brony, I'm a brony. We should all talk on Skype." And 708 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:29,519 brony. We should all talk on Skype." And 709 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:31,750 brony. We should all talk on Skype." And that's how we connected. We we talked on 710 00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:31,760 that's how we connected. We we talked on 711 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,670 that's how we connected. We we talked on Skype and a lot of it was us just 712 00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:33,680 Skype and a lot of it was us just 713 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,629 Skype and a lot of it was us just initially nerding out over Brony stuff. 714 00:13:36,629 --> 00:13:36,639 initially nerding out over Brony stuff. 715 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:39,750 initially nerding out over Brony stuff. Uh she liked my podcast, like my videos. 716 00:13:39,750 --> 00:13:39,760 Uh she liked my podcast, like my videos. 717 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,670 Uh she liked my podcast, like my videos. Uh talked about just the show itself, 718 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:41,680 Uh talked about just the show itself, 719 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,190 Uh talked about just the show itself, episodes are coming out. We were nerd 720 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:43,200 episodes are coming out. We were nerd 721 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,590 episodes are coming out. We were nerd out over that. I think season 2 was 722 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:45,600 out over that. I think season 2 was 723 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,910 out over that. I think season 2 was already going on during that time and 724 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:47,920 already going on during that time and 725 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,590 already going on during that time and season 2 was really good. So, I was just 726 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:49,600 season 2 was really good. So, I was just 727 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,030 season 2 was really good. So, I was just nerding out, talking about things we 728 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:51,040 nerding out, talking about things we 729 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,910 nerding out, talking about things we enjoyed with the fandom and how she 730 00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:53,920 enjoyed with the fandom and how she 731 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,910 enjoyed with the fandom and how she wanted to do her own podcast with her 732 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:55,920 wanted to do her own podcast with her 733 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,069 wanted to do her own podcast with her friend Sandre, which they would 734 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:58,079 friend Sandre, which they would 735 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:00,069 friend Sandre, which they would eventually launch in August of 2012 736 00:14:00,069 --> 00:14:00,079 eventually launch in August of 2012 737 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:02,550 eventually launch in August of 2012 called Pegasisters Live, which we all 738 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:02,560 called Pegasisters Live, which we all 739 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,990 called Pegasisters Live, which we all would laugh being like, "Oh, we're the 740 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:04,000 would laugh being like, "Oh, we're the 741 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,910 would laugh being like, "Oh, we're the boy version with Bernie Breakdown, and 742 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:05,920 boy version with Bernie Breakdown, and 743 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,670 boy version with Bernie Breakdown, and you're the girl version with Pegasisters 744 00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:07,680 you're the girl version with Pegasisters 745 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,710 you're the girl version with Pegasisters Live." Eventually, you know, you'd been 746 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:10,720 Live." Eventually, you know, you'd been 747 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,629 Live." Eventually, you know, you'd been How long would you say you were talking 748 00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:12,639 How long would you say you were talking 749 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,030 How long would you say you were talking roughly before you actually met up with 750 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:15,040 roughly before you actually met up with 751 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,069 roughly before you actually met up with Emily? say two to three months because I 752 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:18,079 Emily? say two to three months because I 753 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:21,590 Emily? say two to three months because I remember us chatting 754 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:21,600 remember us chatting 755 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,310 remember us chatting I'd say the start of summertime and then 756 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:24,320 I'd say the start of summertime and then 757 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,870 I'd say the start of summertime and then Clock Gardens would be in late 758 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:26,880 Clock Gardens would be in late 759 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,269 Clock Gardens would be in late September. So it was it was a good 2 to 760 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:29,279 September. So it was it was a good 2 to 761 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:31,750 September. So it was it was a good 2 to 3 months. What was the leadup to 762 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:31,760 3 months. What was the leadup to 763 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,509 3 months. What was the leadup to Canterlot Gardens then? What was that 764 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:33,519 Canterlot Gardens then? What was that 765 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:35,829 Canterlot Gardens then? What was that like between you two? 766 00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:35,839 like between you two? 767 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:38,230 like between you two? Uh again just us being friendly talking 768 00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:38,240 Uh again just us being friendly talking 769 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,870 Uh again just us being friendly talking about the show. Uh eventually the text 770 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:40,880 about the show. Uh eventually the text 771 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,310 about the show. Uh eventually the text would turn flirty. uh she told me that 772 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:44,320 would turn flirty. uh she told me that 773 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,750 would turn flirty. uh she told me that she was a mom but she did not have uh 774 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:47,760 she was a mom but she did not have uh 775 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,430 she was a mom but she did not have uh that she was no longer with the guy that 776 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:49,440 that she was no longer with the guy that 777 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,470 that she was no longer with the guy that you know her daughter's father and that 778 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:52,480 you know her daughter's father and that 779 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,470 you know her daughter's father and that would eventually become a discussion of 780 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:54,480 would eventually become a discussion of 781 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,150 would eventually become a discussion of her being single and I was like oh I'm 782 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:56,160 her being single and I was like oh I'm 783 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,790 her being single and I was like oh I'm single too and the conversation would 784 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:58,800 single too and the conversation would 785 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,110 single too and the conversation would then become more flirty more fun with 786 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:01,120 then become more flirty more fun with 787 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,670 then become more flirty more fun with that kind of you know back and forth and 788 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:03,680 that kind of you know back and forth and 789 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,910 that kind of you know back and forth and eventually we both floated the idea of 790 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:05,920 eventually we both floated the idea of 791 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,910 eventually we both floated the idea of being friends with benefits and looking 792 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:07,920 being friends with benefits and looking 793 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,069 being friends with benefits and looking at Cal Gardens as a place where we could 794 00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:10,079 at Cal Gardens as a place where we could 795 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:12,790 at Cal Gardens as a place where we could potentially hook up and at the time. I 796 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:12,800 potentially hook up and at the time. I 797 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,710 potentially hook up and at the time. I mean, I was I I was uh absolutely 798 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:16,720 mean, I was I I was uh absolutely 799 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,350 mean, I was I I was uh absolutely inexperienced. Had no idea. Uh but 800 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:19,360 inexperienced. Had no idea. Uh but 801 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,150 inexperienced. Had no idea. Uh but again, it was nothing where I was like I 802 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:22,160 again, it was nothing where I was like I 803 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,670 again, it was nothing where I was like I wouldn't say I was in over my head. Uh 804 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:25,680 wouldn't say I was in over my head. Uh 805 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,590 wouldn't say I was in over my head. Uh cuz we definitely went with just, you 806 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:27,600 cuz we definitely went with just, you 807 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,350 cuz we definitely went with just, you know, going with the energy of the 808 00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:29,360 know, going with the energy of the 809 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,990 know, going with the energy of the conversation. Um her just really saying, 810 00:15:31,990 --> 00:15:32,000 conversation. Um her just really saying, 811 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,910 conversation. Um her just really saying, "Yeah, let's let's let's you know, go to 812 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:33,920 "Yeah, let's let's let's you know, go to 813 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,430 "Yeah, let's let's let's you know, go to the convention and and definitely was 814 00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:37,440 the convention and and definitely was 815 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,189 the convention and and definitely was keen on the idea of us being friends 816 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:39,199 keen on the idea of us being friends 817 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:40,870 keen on the idea of us being friends with benefits." 818 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:40,880 with benefits." 819 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,189 with benefits." Okay. Um cuz she says that she was, you 820 00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:45,199 Okay. Um cuz she says that she was, you 821 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:47,670 Okay. Um cuz she says that she was, you know, she she positioned you as this 822 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:47,680 know, she she positioned you as this 823 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,990 know, she she positioned you as this sort of creator with this weird power 824 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:50,000 sort of creator with this weird power 825 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,230 sort of creator with this weird power dynamic with her and she was a massive 826 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:52,240 dynamic with her and she was a massive 827 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,430 dynamic with her and she was a massive fan and stuff. Do you think that you 828 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:55,440 fan and stuff. Do you think that you 829 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,430 fan and stuff. Do you think that you held some sort of power or influence 830 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:57,440 held some sort of power or influence 831 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,949 held some sort of power or influence over her? 832 00:16:00,949 --> 00:16:00,959 833 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:02,710 I would say no. And I can only at least 834 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:02,720 I would say no. And I can only at least 835 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,189 I would say no. And I can only at least say for myself that I never saw it as 836 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:05,199 say for myself that I never saw it as 837 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:07,590 say for myself that I never saw it as such. I always just saw us as friends 838 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:07,600 such. I always just saw us as friends 839 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,829 such. I always just saw us as friends and that the rapport was genuine and 840 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:09,839 and that the rapport was genuine and 841 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:12,550 and that the rapport was genuine and equal. Uh, I mean, of course, I was an 842 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:12,560 equal. Uh, I mean, of course, I was an 843 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,430 equal. Uh, I mean, of course, I was an older guy, but even then it was I I was 844 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:15,440 older guy, but even then it was I I was 845 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,150 older guy, but even then it was I I was 23. I think I was I just turned 23. I 846 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:20,160 23. I think I was I just turned 23. I 847 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,590 23. I think I was I just turned 23. I was I was 23 cuz I I remember graduating 848 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:23,600 was I was 23 cuz I I remember graduating 849 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,389 was I was 23 cuz I I remember graduating in spring of 2012 and I was a super 850 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:26,399 in spring of 2012 and I was a super 851 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,749 in spring of 2012 and I was a super senior, so I was 23. Um, no, I never 852 00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:29,759 senior, so I was 23. Um, no, I never 853 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:32,389 senior, so I was 23. Um, no, I never picked up any kind of like, you know, 854 00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:32,399 picked up any kind of like, you know, 855 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:35,269 picked up any kind of like, you know, I'd say power uh discrepancy or 856 00:16:35,269 --> 00:16:35,279 I'd say power uh discrepancy or 857 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:36,629 I'd say power uh discrepancy or anything. It was just, you know, us 858 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:36,639 anything. It was just, you know, us 859 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,389 anything. It was just, you know, us talking and us having a good rapport and 860 00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:38,399 talking and us having a good rapport and 861 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,030 talking and us having a good rapport and us being friends. What this early 862 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:41,040 us being friends. What this early 863 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,710 us being friends. What this early relationship between Saber Spark and 864 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:42,720 relationship between Saber Spark and 865 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,030 relationship between Saber Spark and Emily actually looked like is something 866 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:45,040 Emily actually looked like is something 867 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,430 Emily actually looked like is something that all of us largely have to take on 868 00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:47,440 that all of us largely have to take on 869 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,870 that all of us largely have to take on testimony. However, two key things weigh 870 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:50,880 testimony. However, two key things weigh 871 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,189 testimony. However, two key things weigh heavily in Saber Spark's favor in this 872 00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:53,199 heavily in Saber Spark's favor in this 873 00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:56,389 heavily in Saber Spark's favor in this regard. Firstly, in my original video, I 874 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:56,399 regard. Firstly, in my original video, I 875 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,790 regard. Firstly, in my original video, I said there are of course no perfect 876 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:58,800 said there are of course no perfect 877 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,189 said there are of course no perfect victims and none of us should have those 878 00:17:01,189 --> 00:17:01,199 victims and none of us should have those 879 00:17:01,199 --> 00:17:03,509 victims and none of us should have those expectations. But in a case like this 880 00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:03,519 expectations. But in a case like this 881 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,909 expectations. But in a case like this where there is no evidence for the 882 00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:05,919 where there is no evidence for the 883 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:08,309 where there is no evidence for the accusations being made, the credibility 884 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:08,319 accusations being made, the credibility 885 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,949 accusations being made, the credibility of the accuser is basically all I or 886 00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:10,959 of the accuser is basically all I or 887 00:17:10,959 --> 00:17:13,429 of the accuser is basically all I or anyone else has to go on. And even 888 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:13,439 anyone else has to go on. And even 889 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:16,470 anyone else has to go on. And even leaving aside Emily's multiple other sex 890 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:16,480 leaving aside Emily's multiple other sex 891 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,870 leaving aside Emily's multiple other sex scandals. The more we look into this, 892 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:18,880 scandals. The more we look into this, 893 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,789 scandals. The more we look into this, the more we find that Emily is being 894 00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:20,799 the more we find that Emily is being 895 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:23,909 the more we find that Emily is being dishonest in this case. If she will 896 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:23,919 dishonest in this case. If she will 897 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:25,750 dishonest in this case. If she will happily lie about what her relationship 898 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:25,760 happily lie about what her relationship 899 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,110 happily lie about what her relationship with Sav looked like from December 2012 900 00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:29,120 with Sav looked like from December 2012 901 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,150 with Sav looked like from December 2012 onwards, what makes any of us think 902 00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:32,160 onwards, what makes any of us think 903 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,230 onwards, what makes any of us think she's not lying about what it looked 904 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:34,240 she's not lying about what it looked 905 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,230 she's not lying about what it looked like during the several months when they 906 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:36,240 like during the several months when they 907 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,710 like during the several months when they were seeing each other? And secondly, 908 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:38,720 were seeing each other? And secondly, 909 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,590 were seeing each other? And secondly, these text messages prove that far from 910 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:41,600 these text messages prove that far from 911 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,150 these text messages prove that far from Emily's statements to Mr. Enter that she 912 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:44,160 Emily's statements to Mr. Enter that she 913 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,310 Emily's statements to Mr. Enter that she was pulling away from Saber Spark having 914 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:46,320 was pulling away from Saber Spark having 915 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,669 was pulling away from Saber Spark having realized that he was in some way 916 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:47,679 realized that he was in some way 917 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,710 realized that he was in some way abusive, the opposite is true. It was 918 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:50,720 abusive, the opposite is true. It was 919 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,909 abusive, the opposite is true. It was Saber Spark who pulled away from Emily. 920 00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:53,919 Saber Spark who pulled away from Emily. 921 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:57,669 Saber Spark who pulled away from Emily. This rejection deeply upset her. That's 922 00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:57,679 This rejection deeply upset her. That's 923 00:17:57,679 --> 00:18:00,230 This rejection deeply upset her. That's not just an opinion, by the way, because 924 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:00,240 not just an opinion, by the way, because 925 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,029 not just an opinion, by the way, because when we look at her 2025 statement 926 00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:03,039 when we look at her 2025 statement 927 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:05,830 when we look at her 2025 statement accusing Saber Spark, this exact 928 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:05,840 accusing Saber Spark, this exact 929 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,909 accusing Saber Spark, this exact grievance which made me suspicious to 930 00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:07,919 grievance which made me suspicious to 931 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:10,549 grievance which made me suspicious to begin with is her primary highlighted 932 00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:10,559 begin with is her primary highlighted 933 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,950 begin with is her primary highlighted issue to Saber Spark. Throughout their 934 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:12,960 issue to Saber Spark. Throughout their 935 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,510 issue to Saber Spark. Throughout their later correspondence, we can see that 936 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:15,520 later correspondence, we can see that 937 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,909 later correspondence, we can see that her feelings about this haven't changed 938 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:17,919 her feelings about this haven't changed 939 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:21,110 her feelings about this haven't changed in over a decade because between the two 940 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:21,120 in over a decade because between the two 941 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,909 in over a decade because between the two statements, the language she uses is 942 00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:23,919 statements, the language she uses is 943 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:27,590 statements, the language she uses is basically identical as she lambasts him 944 00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:27,600 basically identical as she lambasts him 945 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,390 basically identical as she lambasts him for messing with her emotions. Adding 946 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:30,400 for messing with her emotions. Adding 947 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,470 for messing with her emotions. Adding further weight to this, I reached out to 948 00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:32,480 further weight to this, I reached out to 949 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,110 further weight to this, I reached out to her ex-boyfriend Sorak. And when I 950 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:35,120 her ex-boyfriend Sorak. And when I 951 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,789 her ex-boyfriend Sorak. And when I brought up the fact that the messages 952 00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:36,799 brought up the fact that the messages 953 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:39,270 brought up the fact that the messages indicated that Emily was mad at Sabre 954 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:39,280 indicated that Emily was mad at Sabre 955 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,150 indicated that Emily was mad at Sabre for ghosting her, Sorax said to me she 956 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:42,160 for ghosting her, Sorax said to me she 957 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,870 for ghosting her, Sorax said to me she takes that so damn personally, like it's 958 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:44,880 takes that so damn personally, like it's 959 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,630 takes that so damn personally, like it's the worst thing someone could have done 960 00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:46,640 the worst thing someone could have done 961 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,950 the worst thing someone could have done to her back in the day. While none of us 962 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:48,960 to her back in the day. While none of us 963 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,270 to her back in the day. While none of us were in the room at this time, there is 964 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:51,280 were in the room at this time, there is 965 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,029 were in the room at this time, there is no reason to believe that this was 966 00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:53,039 no reason to believe that this was 967 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,350 no reason to believe that this was anything other than a consensual and 968 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:55,360 anything other than a consensual and 969 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,830 anything other than a consensual and planned hookup at a convention. In fact, 970 00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:57,840 planned hookup at a convention. In fact, 971 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,750 planned hookup at a convention. In fact, Emily's own statements support this 972 00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:59,760 Emily's own statements support this 973 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,590 Emily's own statements support this position, saying that she developed a 974 00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:01,600 position, saying that she developed a 975 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,750 position, saying that she developed a crush on him and that he was made aware 976 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:03,760 crush on him and that he was made aware 977 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,150 crush on him and that he was made aware of it. Regarding the claim that Emily 978 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:06,160 of it. Regarding the claim that Emily 979 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,990 of it. Regarding the claim that Emily would become flirtatious with Saber 980 00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:08,000 would become flirtatious with Saber 981 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,750 would become flirtatious with Saber Spark, we can actually look to the 982 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:09,760 Spark, we can actually look to the 983 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,470 Spark, we can actually look to the messages in 2013 after Emily broke up 984 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:12,480 messages in 2013 after Emily broke up 985 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,789 messages in 2013 after Emily broke up with Sra where she would return to this 986 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:14,799 with Sra where she would return to this 987 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,110 with Sra where she would return to this behavior. And once again, I'd like you 988 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:17,120 behavior. And once again, I'd like you 989 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,789 behavior. And once again, I'd like you to keep in mind that this is proof that 990 00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:18,799 to keep in mind that this is proof that 991 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:20,549 to keep in mind that this is proof that her testimony is fundamentally 992 00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:20,559 her testimony is fundamentally 993 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,350 her testimony is fundamentally unreliable because she has claimed 994 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:23,360 unreliable because she has claimed 995 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,510 unreliable because she has claimed during the period these messages were 996 00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:25,520 during the period these messages were 997 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,070 during the period these messages were sent, she had already pulled away from 998 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:28,080 sent, she had already pulled away from 999 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,870 sent, she had already pulled away from Saber Spark and cut contact with him. 1000 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:30,880 Saber Spark and cut contact with him. 1001 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,190 Saber Spark and cut contact with him. One thing I have heard at Nauseium from 1002 00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:33,200 One thing I have heard at Nauseium from 1003 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,270 One thing I have heard at Nauseium from the believe all victim side is that we 1004 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:35,280 the believe all victim side is that we 1005 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,669 the believe all victim side is that we should not make victims recount and 1006 00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:37,679 should not make victims recount and 1007 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:39,909 should not make victims recount and relive embarrassing events when they 1008 00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:39,919 relive embarrassing events when they 1009 00:19:39,919 --> 00:19:42,070 relive embarrassing events when they have suffered abuse. And I'll be honest 1010 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:42,080 have suffered abuse. And I'll be honest 1011 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,909 have suffered abuse. And I'll be honest with you, I don't necessarily disagree 1012 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:43,919 with you, I don't necessarily disagree 1013 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:46,310 with you, I don't necessarily disagree with that position. So it feels deeply 1014 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:46,320 with that position. So it feels deeply 1015 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,470 with that position. So it feels deeply [\h__\h] up that these people have forced 1016 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:48,480 [\h__\h] up that these people have forced 1017 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,750 [\h__\h] up that these people have forced Sabre to have to do just that to defend 1018 00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:51,760 Sabre to have to do just that to defend 1019 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,710 Sabre to have to do just that to defend himself. I mean at the time was she 1020 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:54,720 himself. I mean at the time was she 1021 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,549 himself. I mean at the time was she friends with just you? Did other people 1022 00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:56,559 friends with just you? Did other people 1023 00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:59,110 friends with just you? Did other people know about her? Uh what does that wider 1024 00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:59,120 know about her? Uh what does that wider 1025 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,830 know about her? Uh what does that wider group dynamic look like? So the main 1026 00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:01,840 group dynamic look like? So the main 1027 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,990 group dynamic look like? So the main group I would roll with at conventions 1028 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:04,000 group I would roll with at conventions 1029 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,310 group I would roll with at conventions being the Everfree uh network people, 1030 00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:06,320 being the Everfree uh network people, 1031 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,789 being the Everfree uh network people, Everree Radio at the time and Paleo. Uh, 1032 00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:08,799 Everree Radio at the time and Paleo. Uh, 1033 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:11,590 Everree Radio at the time and Paleo. Uh, at the convention I shared a room with 1034 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:11,600 at the convention I shared a room with 1035 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,590 at the convention I shared a room with Palos Deno, again my co-host for Bernie 1036 00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:13,600 Palos Deno, again my co-host for Bernie 1037 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,230 Palos Deno, again my co-host for Bernie Breakdown, our friend Hiroashi, a Bernie 1038 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:16,240 Breakdown, our friend Hiroashi, a Bernie 1039 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,669 Breakdown, our friend Hiroashi, a Bernie musician by the name of So Great and 1040 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:17,679 musician by the name of So Great and 1041 00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:19,669 musician by the name of So Great and Powerful. We had a lot of people shoved 1042 00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:19,679 Powerful. We had a lot of people shoved 1043 00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:23,110 Powerful. We had a lot of people shoved in our room. Um, but Johnny, the con 1044 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:23,120 in our room. Um, but Johnny, the con 1045 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,510 in our room. Um, but Johnny, the con chair of Everree Northwest, and then Rob 1046 00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:25,520 chair of Everree Northwest, and then Rob 1047 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,110 chair of Everree Northwest, and then Rob Bob, who is a friend of ours to this 1048 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:27,120 Bob, who is a friend of ours to this 1049 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,270 Bob, who is a friend of ours to this day. And so, how many people are we 1050 00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:29,280 day. And so, how many people are we 1051 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,789 day. And so, how many people are we talking 1052 00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:30,799 talking 1053 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,590 talking in that room? Yeah. Oh, in the room cuz 1054 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:33,600 in that room? Yeah. Oh, in the room cuz 1055 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,350 in that room? Yeah. Oh, in the room cuz we all we had a king-sized bed. Uh, and 1056 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:35,360 we all we had a king-sized bed. Uh, and 1057 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:36,630 we all we had a king-sized bed. Uh, and we were all shoved in the same room 1058 00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:36,640 we were all shoved in the same room 1059 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,870 we were all shoved in the same room where but Johnny and Rob Bob asked if 1060 00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:38,880 where but Johnny and Rob Bob asked if 1061 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,390 where but Johnny and Rob Bob asked if they can crash on the floor in the fold 1062 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:40,400 they can crash on the floor in the fold 1063 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,470 they can crash on the floor in the fold out couch. We said sure. But it was Oh 1064 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:42,480 out couch. We said sure. But it was Oh 1065 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,590 out couch. We said sure. But it was Oh no, there was Silin too. He was a 1066 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:43,600 no, there was Silin too. He was a 1067 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,310 no, there was Silin too. He was a burning musician. So it was me, Paleo, 1068 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:46,320 burning musician. So it was me, Paleo, 1069 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,909 burning musician. So it was me, Paleo, so great and powerful, Hiroashi, Silin, 1070 00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:49,919 so great and powerful, Hiroashi, Silin, 1071 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:53,110 so great and powerful, Hiroashi, Silin, Baji, and seven people. And would would 1072 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:53,120 Baji, and seven people. And would would 1073 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,830 Baji, and seven people. And would would they be able to uh sort of testify to 1074 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:55,840 they be able to uh sort of testify to 1075 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,549 they be able to uh sort of testify to that? I guess if that's the word for it, 1076 00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:58,559 that? I guess if that's the word for it, 1077 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,149 that? I guess if that's the word for it, like if if they were asked, they were 1078 00:21:00,149 --> 00:21:00,159 like if if they were asked, they were 1079 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:01,270 like if if they were asked, they were like, "Yeah, the room is full of 1080 00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:01,280 like, "Yeah, the room is full of 1081 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,350 like, "Yeah, the room is full of people." Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And 1082 00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:03,360 people." Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And 1083 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,510 people." Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And Paleo is already on record saying that. 1084 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:05,520 Paleo is already on record saying that. 1085 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,950 Paleo is already on record saying that. So let's let's talk about your 1086 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,960 So let's let's talk about your 1087 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,070 So let's let's talk about your interactions at Cantalot Garden. Walk me 1088 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:10,080 interactions at Cantalot Garden. Walk me 1089 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,070 interactions at Cantalot Garden. Walk me walk me through 1090 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:12,080 walk me through 1091 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,630 walk me through your version of events. 1092 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:14,640 your version of events. 1093 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,750 your version of events. Yes. So 1094 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:17,760 Yes. So 1095 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,750 Yes. So again, inexperienced 1096 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:19,760 again, inexperienced 1097 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,669 again, inexperienced and I did not tell my roommates that uh 1098 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:23,679 and I did not tell my roommates that uh 1099 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:26,630 and I did not tell my roommates that uh me and Emily had plans to hook up at our 1100 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:26,640 me and Emily had plans to hook up at our 1101 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,190 me and Emily had plans to hook up at our hotel room. And it was during the 1102 00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:29,200 hotel room. And it was during the 1103 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,789 hotel room. And it was during the convention where most folks were on the 1104 00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:30,799 convention where most folks were on the 1105 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,830 convention where most folks were on the con floor where Emily and I both holding 1106 00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:33,840 con floor where Emily and I both holding 1107 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,110 con floor where Emily and I both holding hands took off to the my room and we sat 1108 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:37,120 hands took off to the my room and we sat 1109 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,990 hands took off to the my room and we sat down. Uh I was you know shooting the 1110 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:40,000 down. Uh I was you know shooting the 1111 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,350 down. Uh I was you know shooting the bridge with her talking about YouTube 1112 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:41,360 bridge with her talking about YouTube 1113 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,110 bridge with her talking about YouTube videos and projects and her own podcast 1114 00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:43,120 videos and projects and her own podcast 1115 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,590 videos and projects and her own podcast and everything and then it went you know 1116 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:45,600 and everything and then it went you know 1117 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,590 and everything and then it went you know just mutually just film the vibes the 1118 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:47,600 just mutually just film the vibes the 1119 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,230 just mutually just film the vibes the room to kissing and then moved to the 1120 00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:50,240 room to kissing and then moved to the 1121 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,870 room to kissing and then moved to the bed and that's where we you know had 1122 00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:52,880 bed and that's where we you know had 1123 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,430 bed and that's where we you know had intercourse. Though I was not good at 1124 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:55,440 intercourse. Though I was not good at 1125 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,110 intercourse. Though I was not good at it. I was extremely nervous. There was 1126 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:57,120 it. I was extremely nervous. There was 1127 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,070 it. I was extremely nervous. There was so many things and it wasn't that she 1128 00:22:00,070 --> 00:22:00,080 so many things and it wasn't that she 1129 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,470 so many things and it wasn't that she made me nervous. It wasn't her. It was 1130 00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:02,480 made me nervous. It wasn't her. It was 1131 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,390 made me nervous. It wasn't her. It was the idea of someone walking into the 1132 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:04,400 the idea of someone walking into the 1133 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,870 the idea of someone walking into the room cuz I was like I didn't tell 1134 00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:06,880 room cuz I was like I didn't tell 1135 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,070 room cuz I was like I didn't tell anybody and uh they have keys in the 1136 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:10,080 anybody and uh they have keys in the 1137 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,029 anybody and uh they have keys in the rooms and I just feel like so 1138 00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:11,039 rooms and I just feel like so 1139 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,149 rooms and I just feel like so embarrassed if they walked in and just 1140 00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:12,159 embarrassed if they walked in and just 1141 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:16,549 embarrassed if they walked in and just saw my butt or whatever. But um yeah uh 1142 00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:16,559 saw my butt or whatever. But um yeah uh 1143 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,549 saw my butt or whatever. But um yeah uh I I couldn't really perform. That was 1144 00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:18,559 I I couldn't really perform. That was 1145 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:20,950 I I couldn't really perform. That was the main thing. I was really embarrassed 1146 00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:20,960 the main thing. I was really embarrassed 1147 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,350 the main thing. I was really embarrassed and I was able we were able to have a 1148 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:23,360 and I was able we were able to have a 1149 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:24,950 and I was able we were able to have a little bit of intercourse but only for 1150 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:24,960 little bit of intercourse but only for 1151 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,710 little bit of intercourse but only for like I'd say not even for like a minute 1152 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:26,720 like I'd say not even for like a minute 1153 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,310 like I'd say not even for like a minute and ultimately I was like I can't do 1154 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:28,320 and ultimately I was like I can't do 1155 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,110 and ultimately I was like I can't do this. I can't. Um and that's why you 1156 00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:31,120 this. I can't. Um and that's why you 1157 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:32,950 this. I can't. Um and that's why you know I I was like let's let's just call 1158 00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:32,960 know I I was like let's let's just call 1159 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,870 know I I was like let's let's just call it for now. Let's just you know keep 1160 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:34,880 it for now. Let's just you know keep 1161 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,669 it for now. Let's just you know keep hanging out. And I was also extremely 1162 00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:37,679 hanging out. And I was also extremely 1163 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:38,950 hanging out. And I was also extremely busy at the convention which you know I 1164 00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:38,960 busy at the convention which you know I 1165 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,549 busy at the convention which you know I said let's hang out. And we really never 1166 00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:40,559 said let's hang out. And we really never 1167 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:41,750 said let's hang out. And we really never really hung out after that. The rest of 1168 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:41,760 really hung out after that. The rest of 1169 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,110 really hung out after that. The rest of the convention she would text me about 1170 00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:43,120 the convention she would text me about 1171 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,870 the convention she would text me about wanting to hook up again. I remember her 1172 00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:44,880 wanting to hook up again. I remember her 1173 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,390 wanting to hook up again. I remember her texting me hey let's let's party. I 1174 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:46,400 texting me hey let's let's party. I 1175 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,470 texting me hey let's let's party. I remember I was on a panel after that and 1176 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:48,480 remember I was on a panel after that and 1177 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,750 remember I was on a panel after that and she was in the audience in the front row 1178 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:49,760 she was in the audience in the front row 1179 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,390 she was in the audience in the front row like waving at me and uh I remember her 1180 00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:52,400 like waving at me and uh I remember her 1181 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,750 like waving at me and uh I remember her texting me saying you know we should 1182 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:53,760 texting me saying you know we should 1183 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,230 texting me saying you know we should let's party in later winky face uh but 1184 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:56,240 let's party in later winky face uh but 1185 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,390 let's party in later winky face uh but we never did because again the room was 1186 00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:58,400 we never did because again the room was 1187 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,190 we never did because again the room was shared by multiple people and then also 1188 00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:01,200 shared by multiple people and then also 1189 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,950 shared by multiple people and then also uh just never had the time I was I was I 1190 00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:02,960 uh just never had the time I was I was I 1191 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,830 uh just never had the time I was I was I was in so many interviews that uh I was 1192 00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:05,840 was in so many interviews that uh I was 1193 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,710 was in so many interviews that uh I was hosting for every radio for myself. I 1194 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:08,720 hosting for every radio for myself. I 1195 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,590 hosting for every radio for myself. I mean, is there anything else about I 1196 00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:11,600 mean, is there anything else about I 1197 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,110 mean, is there anything else about I guess kind of gone because I mean, the 1198 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:13,120 guess kind of gone because I mean, the 1199 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,950 guess kind of gone because I mean, the way this seems to be described from her 1200 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:14,960 way this seems to be described from her 1201 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,950 way this seems to be described from her side is she froze up, she locked up, uh, 1202 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:18,960 side is she froze up, she locked up, uh, 1203 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,750 side is she froze up, she locked up, uh, she start disassociating, 1204 00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:21,760 she start disassociating, 1205 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,590 she start disassociating, then phoned her friend straight 1206 00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:23,600 then phoned her friend straight 1207 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,789 then phoned her friend straight afterwards. I mean, you know, obviously 1208 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:26,799 afterwards. I mean, you know, obviously 1209 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,430 afterwards. I mean, you know, obviously these seem like, you know, different 1210 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:29,440 these seem like, you know, different 1211 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,029 these seem like, you know, different interactions. I I've got, you know, 1212 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:31,039 interactions. I I've got, you know, 1213 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:32,950 interactions. I I've got, you know, we've got no way to know who that friend 1214 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:32,960 we've got no way to know who that friend 1215 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,990 we've got no way to know who that friend was. It It seems odd to me. Obviously, 1216 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:36,000 was. It It seems odd to me. Obviously, 1217 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,230 was. It It seems odd to me. Obviously, if you've got sort of testimony of there 1218 00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:38,240 if you've got sort of testimony of there 1219 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,070 if you've got sort of testimony of there were multiple people in this who had 1220 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:40,080 were multiple people in this who had 1221 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,230 were multiple people in this who had access to this room, this is the moment 1222 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:42,240 access to this room, this is the moment 1223 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,029 access to this room, this is the moment you pick to rape somebody. You know, I 1224 00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:45,039 you pick to rape somebody. You know, I 1225 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,110 you pick to rape somebody. You know, I I'm just wondering if there's anything 1226 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:47,120 I'm just wondering if there's anything 1227 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,750 I'm just wondering if there's anything else here that's you know could come to 1228 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:49,760 else here that's you know could come to 1229 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,430 else here that's you know could come to light or that you you know was done said 1230 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:53,440 light or that you you know was done said 1231 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,149 light or that you you know was done said anything else you can remember. No, I 1232 00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:56,159 anything else you can remember. No, I 1233 00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:58,070 anything else you can remember. No, I mean that her her recollection of events 1234 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:58,080 mean that her her recollection of events 1235 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,070 mean that her her recollection of events are incorrect. We you know we're both 1236 00:24:00,070 --> 00:24:00,080 are incorrect. We you know we're both 1237 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,750 are incorrect. We you know we're both having fun enough for her to text me 1238 00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:01,760 having fun enough for her to text me 1239 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,350 having fun enough for her to text me afterwards about wanting the hookup 1240 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:03,360 afterwards about wanting the hookup 1241 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,669 afterwards about wanting the hookup later at the convention. Uh she never 1242 00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:05,679 later at the convention. Uh she never 1243 00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:08,470 later at the convention. Uh she never froze up. Uh she, you know, it was it 1244 00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:08,480 froze up. Uh she, you know, it was it 1245 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,789 froze up. Uh she, you know, it was it was just a enthusiastic mutual hookup. 1246 00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:12,799 was just a enthusiastic mutual hookup. 1247 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,830 was just a enthusiastic mutual hookup. Uh one that I couldn't perform. I I I 1248 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:15,840 Uh one that I couldn't perform. I I I 1249 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,190 Uh one that I couldn't perform. I I I couldn't. Um just enough to have, you 1250 00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:19,200 couldn't. Um just enough to have, you 1251 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,549 couldn't. Um just enough to have, you know, basically the definition of 1252 00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:20,559 know, basically the definition of 1253 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,549 know, basically the definition of intercourse. But after that, I was like, 1254 00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:22,559 intercourse. But after that, I was like, 1255 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,149 intercourse. But after that, I was like, I I can't. And I went to the bathroom 1256 00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:24,159 I I can't. And I went to the bathroom 1257 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,070 I I can't. And I went to the bathroom after that and I was like, h, you know, 1258 00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:26,080 after that and I was like, h, you know, 1259 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,510 after that and I was like, h, you know, cleaning myself off cuz I was way too 1260 00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:27,520 cleaning myself off cuz I was way too 1261 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,070 cleaning myself off cuz I was way too anxious. I was way too nervous of the 1262 00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:30,080 anxious. I was way too nervous of the 1263 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,430 anxious. I was way too nervous of the idea of my friends walking into the room 1264 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:31,440 idea of my friends walking into the room 1265 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,750 idea of my friends walking into the room cuz that would be just something I I I 1266 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:33,760 cuz that would be just something I I I 1267 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,430 cuz that would be just something I I I didn't want that. And I realized how bad 1268 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:35,440 didn't want that. And I realized how bad 1269 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,350 didn't want that. And I realized how bad of an idea it was to do this in a room 1270 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:39,360 of an idea it was to do this in a room 1271 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,390 of an idea it was to do this in a room where like I have all my friends sharing 1272 00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:42,400 where like I have all my friends sharing 1273 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,269 where like I have all my friends sharing it and also a bed that they share as 1274 00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:45,279 it and also a bed that they share as 1275 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,590 it and also a bed that they share as well. I mean she seems to have a very 1276 00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:47,600 well. I mean she seems to have a very 1277 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,110 well. I mean she seems to have a very specific memory of you saying friends 1278 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:51,120 specific memory of you saying friends 1279 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,470 specific memory of you saying friends afterwards. Um uh I did say that cuz 1280 00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:54,480 afterwards. Um uh I did say that cuz 1281 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,149 afterwards. Um uh I did say that cuz again the running joke that we had 1282 00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:56,159 again the running joke that we had 1283 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:57,669 again the running joke that we had leading up to that was friends with 1284 00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:57,679 leading up to that was friends with 1285 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:00,710 leading up to that was friends with benefits. So we'd say friends. So that 1286 00:25:00,710 --> 00:25:00,720 benefits. So we'd say friends. So that 1287 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,190 benefits. So we'd say friends. So that that is that is something I said 1288 00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:03,200 that is that is something I said 1289 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,669 that is that is something I said afterwards. My entire thing when I'm 1290 00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:05,679 afterwards. My entire thing when I'm 1291 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,190 afterwards. My entire thing when I'm feeling insecure and embarrassed is 1292 00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:07,200 feeling insecure and embarrassed is 1293 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,950 feeling insecure and embarrassed is self-deprecating humor. I'm like well 1294 00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:08,960 self-deprecating humor. I'm like well 1295 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,070 self-deprecating humor. I'm like well you know wasn't that good. O uh but 1296 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:12,080 you know wasn't that good. O uh but 1297 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,230 you know wasn't that good. O uh but friends and uh and she laughed and said 1298 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:14,240 friends and uh and she laughed and said 1299 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,070 friends and uh and she laughed and said friends too. So that was our running gag 1300 00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:16,080 friends too. So that was our running gag 1301 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,269 friends too. So that was our running gag or running joke. But one awkward sexual 1302 00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:19,279 or running joke. But one awkward sexual 1303 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,430 or running joke. But one awkward sexual encounter wouldn't explain why Sabre 1304 00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:21,440 encounter wouldn't explain why Sabre 1305 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,990 encounter wouldn't explain why Sabre began to pull away from Emily. The truth 1306 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:24,000 began to pull away from Emily. The truth 1307 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,029 began to pull away from Emily. The truth of that is a little more complicated. 1308 00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:27,039 of that is a little more complicated. 1309 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:28,470 of that is a little more complicated. For those of you who've been paying 1310 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:28,480 For those of you who've been paying 1311 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,230 For those of you who've been paying attention to Emily's history and 1312 00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:30,240 attention to Emily's history and 1313 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,789 attention to Emily's history and patterns of behavior, I don't think this 1314 00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:32,799 patterns of behavior, I don't think this 1315 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,470 patterns of behavior, I don't think this part's going to come as much of a 1316 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:34,480 part's going to come as much of a 1317 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,510 part's going to come as much of a surprise to any of you. So after that, 1318 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:37,520 surprise to any of you. So after that, 1319 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,750 surprise to any of you. So after that, we kept texting, skyping um 1320 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:41,760 we kept texting, skyping um 1321 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,470 we kept texting, skyping um and uh 1322 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:44,480 and uh 1323 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,590 and uh she told me prior to the convention that 1324 00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:47,600 she told me prior to the convention that 1325 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,750 she told me prior to the convention that she had an IUT. So I remember asking her 1326 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:49,760 she had an IUT. So I remember asking her 1327 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,470 she had an IUT. So I remember asking her about condoms and she said, "Don't worry 1328 00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:52,480 about condoms and she said, "Don't worry 1329 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,630 about condoms and she said, "Don't worry about that. I have an IUT." And that she 1330 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:54,640 about that. I have an IUT." And that she 1331 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,269 about that. I have an IUT." And that she got it after she had her kid. And I took 1332 00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:57,279 got it after she had her kid. And I took 1333 00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,269 got it after she had her kid. And I took her word for it. And so we had 1334 00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:59,279 her word for it. And so we had 1335 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,470 her word for it. And so we had unprotected sex. And 1336 00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:02,480 unprotected sex. And 1337 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,230 unprotected sex. And after the convention, I was super 1338 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:04,240 after the convention, I was super 1339 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,190 after the convention, I was super anxious cuz at the time I was uh living 1340 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:07,200 anxious cuz at the time I was uh living 1341 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,750 anxious cuz at the time I was uh living with my mom. I was a lifeguard with no 1342 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:09,760 with my mom. I was a lifeguard with no 1343 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,750 with my mom. I was a lifeguard with no savings and I just finished college. So 1344 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:11,760 savings and I just finished college. So 1345 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,110 savings and I just finished college. So I had no prospects and no way to to 1346 00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:15,120 I had no prospects and no way to to 1347 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,750 I had no prospects and no way to to really pursue anything serious cuz I 1348 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:17,760 really pursue anything serious cuz I 1349 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,070 really pursue anything serious cuz I needed to work on myself. So the anxiety 1350 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:20,080 needed to work on myself. So the anxiety 1351 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,750 needed to work on myself. So the anxiety started to get me when she told me she 1352 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:21,760 started to get me when she told me she 1353 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,669 started to get me when she told me she wasn't getting her period. And I was 1354 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:23,679 wasn't getting her period. And I was 1355 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:26,390 wasn't getting her period. And I was like, "Oh my god." Um 1356 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:26,400 like, "Oh my god." Um 1357 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,630 like, "Oh my god." Um is she pregnant? which is I'm like how 1358 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:28,640 is she pregnant? which is I'm like how 1359 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,950 is she pregnant? which is I'm like how how you know with an IUD and also me not 1360 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:30,960 how you know with an IUD and also me not 1361 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,350 how you know with an IUD and also me not finishing but also me googling that 1362 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:33,360 finishing but also me googling that 1363 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,950 finishing but also me googling that didn't help with the idea of like well 1364 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:34,960 didn't help with the idea of like well 1365 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,549 didn't help with the idea of like well technically you know there's other ways 1366 00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:36,559 technically you know there's other ways 1367 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,950 technically you know there's other ways from just you know you don't have to 1368 00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:38,960 from just you know you don't have to 1369 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,230 from just you know you don't have to climax in order for to procreate and and 1370 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:42,240 climax in order for to procreate and and 1371 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,630 climax in order for to procreate and and that ate me up. It ate me up for a month 1372 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:44,640 that ate me up. It ate me up for a month 1373 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,990 that ate me up. It ate me up for a month and I remember texting her being like 1374 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:46,000 and I remember texting her being like 1375 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,430 and I remember texting her being like can you please get a pregnancy test? I 1376 00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:47,440 can you please get a pregnancy test? I 1377 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,669 can you please get a pregnancy test? I will pay for it please. And she would 1378 00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:49,679 will pay for it please. And she would 1379 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:52,070 will pay for it please. And she would say no. She was just too scared and she 1380 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:52,080 say no. She was just too scared and she 1381 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,590 say no. She was just too scared and she would rather wait until Equestria LA a 1382 00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:55,600 would rather wait until Equestria LA a 1383 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,510 would rather wait until Equestria LA a month later to meet up with me and we 1384 00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:57,520 month later to meet up with me and we 1385 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,750 month later to meet up with me and we can talk about it then. So it was a 1386 00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:59,760 can talk about it then. So it was a 1387 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,549 can talk about it then. So it was a month of just pure anxiety. I remember 1388 00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:02,559 month of just pure anxiety. I remember 1389 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,070 month of just pure anxiety. I remember uh being in my bed one night where I 1390 00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:04,080 uh being in my bed one night where I 1391 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,470 uh being in my bed one night where I started crying and I was like God please 1392 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:06,480 started crying and I was like God please 1393 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,230 started crying and I was like God please uh please let this not be the case. I'm 1394 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:10,240 uh please let this not be the case. I'm 1395 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,549 uh please let this not be the case. I'm not ready to be a father. I was ready to 1396 00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:12,559 not ready to be a father. I was ready to 1397 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,390 not ready to be a father. I was ready to accept you know anything that would 1398 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:14,400 accept you know anything that would 1399 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,750 accept you know anything that would happen. Um, 1400 00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:17,760 happen. Um, 1401 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,710 happen. Um, but at the same time, I was just so it 1402 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:20,720 but at the same time, I was just so it 1403 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,630 but at the same time, I was just so it was gut-wrenching just waiting for that 1404 00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:22,640 was gut-wrenching just waiting for that 1405 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,110 was gut-wrenching just waiting for that news because I knew I was fullying I was 1406 00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:25,120 news because I knew I was fullying I was 1407 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,470 news because I knew I was fullying I was I could barely take care of myself, let 1408 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:26,480 I could barely take care of myself, let 1409 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,830 I could barely take care of myself, let alone, you know, potentially having a 1410 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:27,840 alone, you know, potentially having a 1411 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,830 alone, you know, potentially having a kid. And just that waiting for that 1412 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:29,840 kid. And just that waiting for that 1413 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,430 kid. And just that waiting for that other shoe to drop just gave me, you 1414 00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:31,440 other shoe to drop just gave me, you 1415 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,549 other shoe to drop just gave me, you know, just gut rot. So, uh, that was the 1416 00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:34,559 know, just gut rot. So, uh, that was the 1417 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:35,909 know, just gut rot. So, uh, that was the main thing. There were still friendly 1418 00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:35,919 main thing. There were still friendly 1419 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,430 main thing. There were still friendly interactions in the meanwhile. You know, 1420 00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:37,440 interactions in the meanwhile. You know, 1421 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,029 interactions in the meanwhile. You know, we still had a rapport. we still were 1422 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:39,039 we still had a rapport. we still were 1423 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,350 we still had a rapport. we still were cordial and and everything, but the main 1424 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:41,360 cordial and and everything, but the main 1425 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,190 cordial and and everything, but the main thing was just the anxiety of waiting 1426 00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:43,200 thing was just the anxiety of waiting 1427 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,190 thing was just the anxiety of waiting cuz for some reason she didn't want to 1428 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:45,200 cuz for some reason she didn't want to 1429 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,549 cuz for some reason she didn't want to take a pregnancy test even though I 1430 00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:46,559 take a pregnancy test even though I 1431 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,630 take a pregnancy test even though I asked her. But again, it's it's her 1432 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:48,640 asked her. But again, it's it's her 1433 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,669 asked her. But again, it's it's her decision. I can't force that. So, I'm 1434 00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:51,679 decision. I can't force that. So, I'm 1435 00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:52,870 decision. I can't force that. So, I'm like, "Okay, we'll just wait till 1436 00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:52,880 like, "Okay, we'll just wait till 1437 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,470 like, "Okay, we'll just wait till Equestria LA cuz she said she wanted to 1438 00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:54,480 Equestria LA cuz she said she wanted to 1439 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,990 Equestria LA cuz she said she wanted to do it in person, you know, that." And 1440 00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:56,000 do it in person, you know, that." And 1441 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,310 do it in person, you know, that." And how how long a time was that between 1442 00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:58,320 how how long a time was that between 1443 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,350 how how long a time was that between Cantalot and Equestria LA? Uh, Cantalot 1444 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:01,360 Cantalot and Equestria LA? Uh, Cantalot 1445 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,750 Cantalot and Equestria LA? Uh, Cantalot Gardens ended. It was September 30th is 1446 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:03,760 Gardens ended. It was September 30th is 1447 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,389 Gardens ended. It was September 30th is when it wrapped up. And then Equestria 1448 00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:06,399 when it wrapped up. And then Equestria 1449 00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:08,149 when it wrapped up. And then Equestria was in early November. Like I think it 1450 00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:08,159 was in early November. Like I think it 1451 00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:10,149 was in early November. Like I think it was like November 2nd to the 4th. And 1452 00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:10,159 was like November 2nd to the 4th. And 1453 00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:11,990 was like November 2nd to the 4th. And now we're starting to see a better 1454 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:12,000 now we're starting to see a better 1455 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,310 now we're starting to see a better picture of why that second hookup didn't 1456 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:14,320 picture of why that second hookup didn't 1457 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,070 picture of why that second hookup didn't look like the first one. They were 1458 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:16,080 look like the first one. They were 1459 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,909 look like the first one. They were already experiencing issues with their 1460 00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:17,919 already experiencing issues with their 1461 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,909 already experiencing issues with their casual relationship. 1462 00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:19,919 casual relationship. 1463 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,070 casual relationship. This potential pregnancy deeply troubled 1464 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:22,080 This potential pregnancy deeply troubled 1465 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,230 This potential pregnancy deeply troubled Saber Spark. And from his perspective, 1466 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:24,240 Saber Spark. And from his perspective, 1467 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,149 Saber Spark. And from his perspective, that's not really a surprise. He knew 1468 00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:26,159 that's not really a surprise. He knew 1469 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:28,230 that's not really a surprise. He knew Emily's history. He knew she already had 1470 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:28,240 Emily's history. He knew she already had 1471 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,149 Emily's history. He knew she already had a kid. And let's be honest, at the time 1472 00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:30,159 a kid. And let's be honest, at the time 1473 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:31,909 a kid. And let's be honest, at the time this guy's biggest achievement in life 1474 00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:31,919 this guy's biggest achievement in life 1475 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,710 this guy's biggest achievement in life was making videos about cartoon ponies. 1476 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:34,720 was making videos about cartoon ponies. 1477 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,470 was making videos about cartoon ponies. This isn't somebody anywhere near ready 1478 00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:36,480 This isn't somebody anywhere near ready 1479 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,190 This isn't somebody anywhere near ready to be a father. It is interesting, isn't 1480 00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:39,200 to be a father. It is interesting, isn't 1481 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,269 to be a father. It is interesting, isn't it, that this was completely omitted 1482 00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:41,279 it, that this was completely omitted 1483 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,830 it, that this was completely omitted from Emily's original statements. I 1484 00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:43,840 from Emily's original statements. I 1485 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,549 from Emily's original statements. I imagine because this fact makes it quite 1486 00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:46,559 imagine because this fact makes it quite 1487 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,470 imagine because this fact makes it quite clear that their relationship was 1488 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:48,480 clear that their relationship was 1489 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,950 clear that their relationship was somewhat closer and more familiar than 1490 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:50,960 somewhat closer and more familiar than 1491 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,789 somewhat closer and more familiar than Emily paints in her accusation. However, 1492 00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:54,799 Emily paints in her accusation. However, 1493 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,510 Emily paints in her accusation. However, I was surprised to find one reference to 1494 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:57,520 I was surprised to find one reference to 1495 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,149 I was surprised to find one reference to this from Emily. While being questioned 1496 00:29:00,149 --> 00:29:00,159 this from Emily. While being questioned 1497 00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:02,389 this from Emily. While being questioned by Mr. Enter, she does bring up this 1498 00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:02,399 by Mr. Enter, she does bring up this 1499 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,669 by Mr. Enter, she does bring up this potential pregnancy, saying, "I remember 1500 00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:05,679 potential pregnancy, saying, "I remember 1501 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,110 potential pregnancy, saying, "I remember texting him worried about getting 1502 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:07,120 texting him worried about getting 1503 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,510 texting him worried about getting pregnant because my period came late and 1504 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:09,520 pregnant because my period came late and 1505 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,190 pregnant because my period came late and him telling me that he would handle it 1506 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:11,200 him telling me that he would handle it 1507 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,830 him telling me that he would handle it if so, but my period came and stuff. 1508 00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:13,840 if so, but my period came and stuff. 1509 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,269 if so, but my period came and stuff. That was pretty much it." Enter would 1510 00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:17,279 That was pretty much it." Enter would 1511 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,149 That was pretty much it." Enter would respond, "The details do help paint a 1512 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:20,159 respond, "The details do help paint a 1513 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,870 respond, "The details do help paint a picture." And he's not wrong. It's just 1514 00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:22,880 picture." And he's not wrong. It's just 1515 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,950 picture." And he's not wrong. It's just unfortunate for Emily that the details 1516 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:24,960 unfortunate for Emily that the details 1517 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,430 unfortunate for Emily that the details of this story make it clear that she is 1518 00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:27,440 of this story make it clear that she is 1519 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,070 of this story make it clear that she is lying about stuff. And every time she 1520 00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:30,080 lying about stuff. And every time she 1521 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,310 lying about stuff. And every time she gets caught obfiscating the truth or 1522 00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:32,320 gets caught obfiscating the truth or 1523 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,549 gets caught obfiscating the truth or manipulating the narrative, it further 1524 00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:34,559 manipulating the narrative, it further 1525 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,710 manipulating the narrative, it further chips away at what little credibility 1526 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:36,720 chips away at what little credibility 1527 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,549 chips away at what little credibility this woman has. That then brings us to 1528 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:40,559 this woman has. That then brings us to 1529 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,909 this woman has. That then brings us to EQLA. Were you in a big room share 1530 00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:43,919 EQLA. Were you in a big room share 1531 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:45,669 EQLA. Were you in a big room share again? Like how many other people are 1532 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:45,679 again? Like how many other people are 1533 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:49,510 again? Like how many other people are sort of with you? Um this time around I 1534 00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:49,520 sort of with you? Um this time around I 1535 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,230 sort of with you? Um this time around I was sharing a room. I I'm pretty damn 1536 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:52,240 was sharing a room. I I'm pretty damn 1537 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,029 was sharing a room. I I'm pretty damn sure it was with Paleo 1538 00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:55,039 sure it was with Paleo 1539 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,990 sure it was with Paleo and Dusty Cat and Screw Ball. Uh there 1540 00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:00,000 and Dusty Cat and Screw Ball. Uh there 1541 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,830 and Dusty Cat and Screw Ball. Uh there was a 1542 00:30:01,830 --> 00:30:01,840 was a 1543 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,029 was a I'm pretty sure it was either it's 1544 00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:03,039 I'm pretty sure it was either it's 1545 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,669 I'm pretty sure it was either it's either 2012 or 2013, but we it was it 1546 00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:05,679 either 2012 or 2013, but we it was it 1547 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,590 either 2012 or 2013, but we it was it was a room where we had uh I still had 1548 00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:07,600 was a room where we had uh I still had 1549 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,110 was a room where we had uh I still had three roommates cuz that was always like 1550 00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:09,120 three roommates cuz that was always like 1551 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,950 three roommates cuz that was always like the standard for the longest time. We 1552 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:10,960 the standard for the longest time. We 1553 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,669 the standard for the longest time. We were at the Alpine Inn uh near Anaheim 1554 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:13,679 were at the Alpine Inn uh near Anaheim 1555 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,430 were at the Alpine Inn uh near Anaheim near Disney. So that was a lot of fun 1556 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:15,440 near Disney. So that was a lot of fun 1557 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,110 near Disney. So that was a lot of fun and that that was my room situation 1558 00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:17,120 and that that was my room situation 1559 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,630 and that that was my room situation while uh Emily was some other hotel in 1560 00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:20,640 while uh Emily was some other hotel in 1561 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,990 while uh Emily was some other hotel in that area. There's a big block of 1562 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:22,000 that area. There's a big block of 1563 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,510 that area. There's a big block of hotels. 1564 00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:23,520 hotels. 1565 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,110 hotels. Okay. So I'd assume I'm assuming you'd 1566 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:27,120 Okay. So I'd assume I'm assuming you'd 1567 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,389 Okay. So I'd assume I'm assuming you'd planned to meet up um there. So but you 1568 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:30,399 planned to meet up um there. So but you 1569 00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:32,549 planned to meet up um there. So but you planned to meet up for a pregnancy test. 1570 00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:32,559 planned to meet up for a pregnancy test. 1571 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,549 planned to meet up for a pregnancy test. So what happened with this other 1572 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:34,559 So what happened with this other 1573 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,870 So what happened with this other apparent uh interaction where you took 1574 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:36,880 apparent uh interaction where you took 1575 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,630 apparent uh interaction where you took her into a bathroom and I think she's 1576 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:38,640 her into a bathroom and I think she's 1577 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,630 her into a bathroom and I think she's mentioned something about a basement. 1578 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:40,640 mentioned something about a basement. 1579 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,630 mentioned something about a basement. Yeah, she claimed that. So, we met up at 1580 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:42,640 Yeah, she claimed that. So, we met up at 1581 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,230 Yeah, she claimed that. So, we met up at a hotel on I'm pretty sure it was 1582 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:48,240 a hotel on I'm pretty sure it was 1583 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,789 a hotel on I'm pretty sure it was Thursday or f it was a two-day con. I 1584 00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:50,799 Thursday or f it was a two-day con. I 1585 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:51,830 Thursday or f it was a two-day con. I think it was a Friday, Saturday 1586 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:51,840 think it was a Friday, Saturday 1587 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,230 think it was a Friday, Saturday convention. So, it was either Thursday. 1588 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:54,240 convention. So, it was either Thursday. 1589 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,389 convention. So, it was either Thursday. It was the day before the convention. 1590 00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:56,399 It was the day before the convention. 1591 00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:00,710 It was the day before the convention. And uh we met up there was like this air 1592 00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:00,720 And uh we met up there was like this air 1593 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,269 And uh we met up there was like this air this this not basement, but this lower 1594 00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:03,279 this this not basement, but this lower 1595 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,110 this this not basement, but this lower level at this nice Hilton hotel. I'm 1596 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:05,120 level at this nice Hilton hotel. I'm 1597 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,149 level at this nice Hilton hotel. I'm pretty sure it was a Hilton. It was a 1598 00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:06,159 pretty sure it was a Hilton. It was a 1599 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,310 pretty sure it was a Hilton. It was a nice hotel in the area. And I remember 1600 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:08,320 nice hotel in the area. And I remember 1601 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,230 nice hotel in the area. And I remember meeting up with her and we hugged and 1602 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:10,240 meeting up with her and we hugged and 1603 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,750 meeting up with her and we hugged and again just nicities. You know, I 1604 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,760 again just nicities. You know, I 1605 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,029 again just nicities. You know, I definitely felt this anxiety just 1606 00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:13,039 definitely felt this anxiety just 1607 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,430 definitely felt this anxiety just waiting. I I want to know the answer is 1608 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:15,440 waiting. I I want to know the answer is 1609 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,870 waiting. I I want to know the answer is the main thing. At that point, I wasn't 1610 00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:16,880 the main thing. At that point, I wasn't 1611 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,870 the main thing. At that point, I wasn't angry at Emily. You know, I'm not angry 1612 00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:18,880 angry at Emily. You know, I'm not angry 1613 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,750 angry at Emily. You know, I'm not angry at her. I was confused that she wouldn't 1614 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:21,760 at her. I was confused that she wouldn't 1615 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,230 at her. I was confused that she wouldn't do a pregnancy test, but I'm like, let's 1616 00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:24,240 do a pregnancy test, but I'm like, let's 1617 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,830 do a pregnancy test, but I'm like, let's just, you know, now we're here together. 1618 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:25,840 just, you know, now we're here together. 1619 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,230 just, you know, now we're here together. And we're asking her uh we we start 1620 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:28,240 And we're asking her uh we we start 1621 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,269 And we're asking her uh we we start walking around the hotel, by the way, 1622 00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:29,279 walking around the hotel, by the way, 1623 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,830 walking around the hotel, by the way, just catching up. Um, and we went down 1624 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:31,840 just catching up. Um, and we went down 1625 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,870 just catching up. Um, and we went down to like this gym floor and uh we sat 1626 00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:34,880 to like this gym floor and uh we sat 1627 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,230 to like this gym floor and uh we sat down on this bench and she was leaning 1628 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:36,240 down on this bench and she was leaning 1629 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,070 down on this bench and she was leaning her head against me. I remember being 1630 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:38,080 her head against me. I remember being 1631 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,590 her head against me. I remember being like, you know, can we do the pregnancy 1632 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:39,600 like, you know, can we do the pregnancy 1633 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,509 like, you know, can we do the pregnancy test? Uh, cuz I my anxiety was in the 1634 00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:41,519 test? Uh, cuz I my anxiety was in the 1635 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:42,630 test? Uh, cuz I my anxiety was in the better of me where I'm like, you know, I 1636 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:42,640 better of me where I'm like, you know, I 1637 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,630 better of me where I'm like, you know, I would uh this is nice hanging out with a 1638 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:44,640 would uh this is nice hanging out with a 1639 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,789 would uh this is nice hanging out with a pretty girl, but like I still want to uh 1640 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:46,799 pretty girl, but like I still want to uh 1641 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,710 pretty girl, but like I still want to uh find out. And she was like, no, no, no, 1642 00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:48,720 find out. And she was like, no, no, no, 1643 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,710 find out. And she was like, no, no, no, no. I I I'm I'm not ready for that. 1644 00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:50,720 no. I I I'm I'm not ready for that. 1645 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,070 no. I I I'm I'm not ready for that. Like, can't we just, you know, hang out 1646 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:52,080 Like, can't we just, you know, hang out 1647 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,350 Like, can't we just, you know, hang out and can't we just, you know, hang out 1648 00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:53,360 and can't we just, you know, hang out 1649 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,549 and can't we just, you know, hang out and have fun? And I'm like, okay, I I 1650 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:56,559 and have fun? And I'm like, okay, I I 1651 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:57,750 and have fun? And I'm like, okay, I I guess it can wait till the end of the 1652 00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:57,760 guess it can wait till the end of the 1653 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,789 guess it can wait till the end of the convention. And uh yeah, you know, her 1654 00:32:00,789 --> 00:32:00,799 convention. And uh yeah, you know, her 1655 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,149 convention. And uh yeah, you know, her resting her head against me, turn 1656 00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:02,159 resting her head against me, turn 1657 00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,710 resting her head against me, turn flirty, you know, and just her and I 1658 00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:04,720 flirty, you know, and just her and I 1659 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,830 flirty, you know, and just her and I start kissing and then uh she grabs my 1660 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:07,840 start kissing and then uh she grabs my 1661 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,630 start kissing and then uh she grabs my hand and we stand up and we both 1662 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:10,640 hand and we stand up and we both 1663 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,710 hand and we stand up and we both mutually, you know, walked to the 1664 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:12,720 mutually, you know, walked to the 1665 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,430 mutually, you know, walked to the bathroom and it was empty. The entire 1666 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:15,440 bathroom and it was empty. The entire 1667 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,669 bathroom and it was empty. The entire floor was completely, you know, empty. 1668 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:17,679 floor was completely, you know, empty. 1669 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:19,430 floor was completely, you know, empty. Uh there was like some people in the gym 1670 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:19,440 Uh there was like some people in the gym 1671 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,549 Uh there was like some people in the gym nearby. It was a big gym. But um yeah, 1672 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:22,559 nearby. It was a big gym. But um yeah, 1673 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,710 nearby. It was a big gym. But um yeah, we went into the bathroom and she you 1674 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:24,720 we went into the bathroom and she you 1675 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,870 we went into the bathroom and she you know did that for me cuz she wanted to 1676 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:26,880 know did that for me cuz she wanted to 1677 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,470 know did that for me cuz she wanted to take the edge off for me cuz I was she 1678 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:28,480 take the edge off for me cuz I was she 1679 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,310 take the edge off for me cuz I was she was you know I know you're nervous and 1680 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:30,320 was you know I know you're nervous and 1681 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,750 was you know I know you're nervous and and we did that and um you know it was 1682 00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:33,760 and we did that and um you know it was 1683 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,310 and we did that and um you know it was it was it felt like you know we're in a 1684 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:36,320 it was it felt like you know we're in a 1685 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,830 it was it felt like you know we're in a bathroom if someone walks in like like 1686 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:37,840 bathroom if someone walks in like like 1687 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,070 bathroom if someone walks in like like before what if someone walks in and my 1688 00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:40,080 before what if someone walks in and my 1689 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,070 before what if someone walks in and my anxiety is getting the better of me in 1690 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:42,080 anxiety is getting the better of me in 1691 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,990 anxiety is getting the better of me in in tandem with knowing that there's also 1692 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:44,000 in tandem with knowing that there's also 1693 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,190 in tandem with knowing that there's also the anxiety of waiting for this 1694 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:45,200 the anxiety of waiting for this 1695 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,669 the anxiety of waiting for this pregnancy test. Um, I was able to 1696 00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:47,679 pregnancy test. Um, I was able to 1697 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:49,190 pregnancy test. Um, I was able to perform a bit better this time around. 1698 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:49,200 perform a bit better this time around. 1699 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,269 perform a bit better this time around. But, uh, but yeah, it was again a mutual 1700 00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:51,279 But, uh, but yeah, it was again a mutual 1701 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,590 But, uh, but yeah, it was again a mutual hookup. That was that was always the 1702 00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:53,600 hookup. That was that was always the 1703 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,389 hookup. That was that was always the energy, always through consent, always 1704 00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:56,399 energy, always through consent, always 1705 00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,630 energy, always through consent, always through just, you know, us talking, 1706 00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:58,640 through just, you know, us talking, 1707 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,269 through just, you know, us talking, vibing, uh, picking up, you know, just 1708 00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:01,279 vibing, uh, picking up, you know, just 1709 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,430 vibing, uh, picking up, you know, just like body language as far as her kissing 1710 00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:03,440 like body language as far as her kissing 1711 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,549 like body language as far as her kissing me, touching me, and me reciprocating. 1712 00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:06,559 me, touching me, and me reciprocating. 1713 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,389 me, touching me, and me reciprocating. So, that was that. And, uh, again, I I 1714 00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:10,399 So, that was that. And, uh, again, I I 1715 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:11,909 So, that was that. And, uh, again, I I see it as we we were still friends with 1716 00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:11,919 see it as we we were still friends with 1717 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,590 see it as we we were still friends with benefits, you know, even though we're 1718 00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:13,600 benefits, you know, even though we're 1719 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,509 benefits, you know, even though we're waiting for this. I wanted an answer for 1720 00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:15,519 waiting for this. I wanted an answer for 1721 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,470 waiting for this. I wanted an answer for his question, but we're still friends 1722 00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:16,480 his question, but we're still friends 1723 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,149 his question, but we're still friends with benefits. 1724 00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:18,159 with benefits. 1725 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,549 with benefits. So, I I believe her claim was, you know, 1726 00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:20,559 So, I I believe her claim was, you know, 1727 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:25,909 So, I I believe her claim was, you know, you pushed her into an elevator and um 1728 00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:25,919 you pushed her into an elevator and um 1729 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:28,870 you pushed her into an elevator and um were quite aggressive with her. Um and 1730 00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:28,880 were quite aggressive with her. Um and 1731 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,269 were quite aggressive with her. Um and hurt her. So, none of that really 1732 00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:31,279 hurt her. So, none of that really 1733 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,830 hurt her. So, none of that really occurred or 1734 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:33,840 occurred or 1735 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,789 occurred or cuz I never was aggressive and I never 1736 00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:36,799 cuz I never was aggressive and I never 1737 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,710 cuz I never was aggressive and I never hurt her. I don't recall the elevator. I 1738 00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:38,720 hurt her. I don't recall the elevator. I 1739 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,230 hurt her. I don't recall the elevator. I don't know why we would go up to go back 1740 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:40,240 don't know why we would go up to go back 1741 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,710 don't know why we would go up to go back down. I do know the bathroom was at the 1742 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:42,720 down. I do know the bathroom was at the 1743 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,029 down. I do know the bathroom was at the bottom floor, but no, I was I was never 1744 00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:45,039 bottom floor, but no, I was I was never 1745 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,630 bottom floor, but no, I was I was never aggressive or pushing her or shoving 1746 00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:46,640 aggressive or pushing her or shoving 1747 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,870 aggressive or pushing her or shoving her. So, I believe again, this is her 1748 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:48,880 her. So, I believe again, this is her 1749 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,389 her. So, I believe again, this is her claim. We met in a public space, but no 1750 00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:50,399 claim. We met in a public space, but no 1751 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:51,430 claim. We met in a public space, but no one was around and we talked for a 1752 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:51,440 one was around and we talked for a 1753 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,789 one was around and we talked for a while. He kept bringing up prospects of 1754 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:52,799 while. He kept bringing up prospects of 1755 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,950 while. He kept bringing up prospects of a starting relationship, but how it felt 1756 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:54,960 a starting relationship, but how it felt 1757 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,029 a starting relationship, but how it felt wrong. He grabbed my hand, saying how it 1758 00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:57,039 wrong. He grabbed my hand, saying how it 1759 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,389 wrong. He grabbed my hand, saying how it felt so right, only to push my head 1760 00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:58,399 felt so right, only to push my head 1761 00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:01,590 felt so right, only to push my head away, saying, "But so wrong." Um, is 1762 00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:01,600 away, saying, "But so wrong." Um, is 1763 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,669 away, saying, "But so wrong." Um, is there any sort of reference there that 1764 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:03,679 there any sort of reference there that 1765 00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:05,430 there any sort of reference there that you can think of as to why she'd say 1766 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:05,440 you can think of as to why she'd say 1767 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,149 you can think of as to why she'd say something like that? I don't I don't 1768 00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:08,159 something like that? I don't I don't 1769 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,310 something like that? I don't I don't recall. I I don't remember us even 1770 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:10,320 recall. I I don't remember us even 1771 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,149 recall. I I don't remember us even talking about being in a relationship. 1772 00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:12,159 talking about being in a relationship. 1773 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,829 talking about being in a relationship. Um, but there there was the talk about 1774 00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:15,839 Um, but there there was the talk about 1775 00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:17,829 Um, but there there was the talk about like, okay, what happens if she is 1776 00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:17,839 like, okay, what happens if she is 1777 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,430 like, okay, what happens if she is pregnant, which is like I would stay by 1778 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:19,440 pregnant, which is like I would stay by 1779 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,589 pregnant, which is like I would stay by her side, you know, cuz I I'm I'm not 1780 00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:21,599 her side, you know, cuz I I'm I'm not 1781 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,109 her side, you know, cuz I I'm I'm not going to, you know, that that's 1782 00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:23,119 going to, you know, that that's 1783 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,669 going to, you know, that that's potentially my kid. So, I wasn't going 1784 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:25,679 potentially my kid. So, I wasn't going 1785 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,510 potentially my kid. So, I wasn't going to like abandon her. Um, but as far as 1786 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:29,520 to like abandon her. Um, but as far as 1787 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,270 to like abandon her. Um, but as far as like it feels wrong, it feels right, it 1788 00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:31,280 like it feels wrong, it feels right, it 1789 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,190 like it feels wrong, it feels right, it feels wrong, it feels No, I I No, no, 1790 00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:33,200 feels wrong, it feels No, I I No, no, 1791 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,190 feels wrong, it feels No, I I No, no, no. I I I was seeing this with eyes wide 1792 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:35,200 no. I I I was seeing this with eyes wide 1793 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,909 no. I I I was seeing this with eyes wide open of how deathly serious this is if 1794 00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:37,919 open of how deathly serious this is if 1795 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,950 open of how deathly serious this is if she's pregnant. Um which uh you know, 1796 00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:40,960 she's pregnant. Um which uh you know, 1797 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,510 she's pregnant. Um which uh you know, surprise surprise, she was not. So I 1798 00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:43,520 surprise surprise, she was not. So I 1799 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,030 surprise surprise, she was not. So I mean like her original claim is 1800 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:47,040 mean like her original claim is 1801 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,589 mean like her original claim is uh going to a more public space around 1802 00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:49,599 uh going to a more public space around 1803 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:50,950 uh going to a more public space around others and went to an elevator to go to 1804 00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:50,960 others and went to an elevator to go to 1805 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,990 others and went to an elevator to go to the lobby of the of the Ponycon Hotel. 1806 00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:54,000 the lobby of the of the Ponycon Hotel. 1807 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,310 the lobby of the of the Ponycon Hotel. So was this the So this isn't the 1808 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:56,320 So was this the So this isn't the 1809 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,230 So was this the So this isn't the Ponycon Hotel and it's the day before 1810 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:58,240 Ponycon Hotel and it's the day before 1811 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,790 Ponycon Hotel and it's the day before the con anyway is what you're telling 1812 00:35:00,790 --> 00:35:00,800 the con anyway is what you're telling 1813 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,670 the con anyway is what you're telling me. it. Yeah, cuz the convention was 1814 00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:03,680 me. it. Yeah, cuz the convention was 1815 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,589 me. it. Yeah, cuz the convention was held at the at the hotel. Okay. People 1816 00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:07,599 held at the at the hotel. Okay. People 1817 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,550 held at the at the hotel. Okay. People were present. She felt embarrassed 1818 00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:10,560 were present. She felt embarrassed 1819 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,349 were present. She felt embarrassed and uh guided me towards the stairs to 1820 00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:13,359 and uh guided me towards the stairs to 1821 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,589 and uh guided me towards the stairs to go back down to where we were just into 1822 00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:15,599 go back down to where we were just into 1823 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,069 go back down to where we were just into a men's restroom where he pulled his 1824 00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:18,079 a men's restroom where he pulled his 1825 00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:19,510 a men's restroom where he pulled his pants down and guided my hands and head 1826 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:19,520 pants down and guided my hands and head 1827 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,829 pants down and guided my hands and head towards performing oral sex on him. So, 1828 00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:21,839 towards performing oral sex on him. So, 1829 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,510 towards performing oral sex on him. So, I mean, so your account of this is 1830 00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:23,520 I mean, so your account of this is 1831 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,550 I mean, so your account of this is actually she was more kind of trying to 1832 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:26,560 actually she was more kind of trying to 1833 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,790 actually she was more kind of trying to guide you in that way. Is am I am I 1834 00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:28,800 guide you in that way. Is am I am I 1835 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,470 guide you in that way. Is am I am I getting I wouldn't say I wouldn't It was 1836 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:30,480 getting I wouldn't say I wouldn't It was 1837 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,390 getting I wouldn't say I wouldn't It was mutual. I'm not I'm not saying that, you 1838 00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:32,400 mutual. I'm not I'm not saying that, you 1839 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,670 mutual. I'm not I'm not saying that, you know, I'm not saying like, oh, it was 1840 00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:33,680 know, I'm not saying like, oh, it was 1841 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,750 know, I'm not saying like, oh, it was just her. I I was innocent and and she 1842 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:35,760 just her. I I was innocent and and she 1843 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,670 just her. I I was innocent and and she grabbed me and shoved me into the No, it 1844 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:37,680 grabbed me and shoved me into the No, it 1845 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,230 grabbed me and shoved me into the No, it was it was again us sitting on this 1846 00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:40,240 was it was again us sitting on this 1847 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,870 was it was again us sitting on this bench nearby. Uh her laying her head on 1848 00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:42,880 bench nearby. Uh her laying her head on 1849 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,630 bench nearby. Uh her laying her head on me. Uh her and I start kissing and then 1850 00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:46,640 me. Uh her and I start kissing and then 1851 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,349 me. Uh her and I start kissing and then we both mutually, you know, went to the 1852 00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:49,359 we both mutually, you know, went to the 1853 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:51,190 we both mutually, you know, went to the bathroom where we did some more kissing 1854 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:51,200 bathroom where we did some more kissing 1855 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,670 bathroom where we did some more kissing which led to other things. Okay. Is 1856 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:53,680 which led to other things. Okay. Is 1857 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,910 which led to other things. Okay. Is there are there any other sexual 1858 00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:55,920 there are there any other sexual 1859 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,030 there are there any other sexual interactions between you two? That's it. 1860 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:59,040 interactions between you two? That's it. 1861 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,190 interactions between you two? That's it. One part of these interactions which has 1862 00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:01,200 One part of these interactions which has 1863 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,910 One part of these interactions which has always struck me as quite odd is that 1864 00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:03,920 always struck me as quite odd is that 1865 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,069 always struck me as quite odd is that Emily is incredibly vague or outright 1866 00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:06,079 Emily is incredibly vague or outright 1867 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,390 Emily is incredibly vague or outright dismissive of any further interactions 1868 00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:08,400 dismissive of any further interactions 1869 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,230 dismissive of any further interactions between the two of them. Presenting 1870 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:10,240 between the two of them. Presenting 1871 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,030 between the two of them. Presenting herself as instantly disgusted and just 1872 00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:13,040 herself as instantly disgusted and just 1873 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,349 herself as instantly disgusted and just wanting to escape the clutches of Saber 1874 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:15,359 wanting to escape the clutches of Saber 1875 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,589 wanting to escape the clutches of Saber Spark. We can find another example of 1876 00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:17,599 Spark. We can find another example of 1877 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,310 Spark. We can find another example of this in her DMs with Mr. Enter as he 1878 00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:20,320 this in her DMs with Mr. Enter as he 1879 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,910 this in her DMs with Mr. Enter as he begins pressing her on what their 1880 00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:21,920 begins pressing her on what their 1881 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,829 begins pressing her on what their interactions looked like for the rest of 1882 00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:23,839 interactions looked like for the rest of 1883 00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:26,550 interactions looked like for the rest of the convention. Emily denies any further 1884 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:26,560 the convention. Emily denies any further 1885 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,630 the convention. Emily denies any further direct interactions, which is 1886 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:28,640 direct interactions, which is 1887 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,829 direct interactions, which is interesting because EQLA was not some 1888 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:31,839 interesting because EQLA was not some 1889 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,630 interesting because EQLA was not some random event. It also contained the 1890 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:34,640 random event. It also contained the 1891 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,630 random event. It also contained the screening of the Brony documentary 1892 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:36,640 screening of the Brony documentary 1893 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,109 screening of the Brony documentary involving John Delansancy, which feels 1894 00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:39,119 involving John Delansancy, which feels 1895 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,349 involving John Delansancy, which feels like something Emily would remember, 1896 00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:41,359 like something Emily would remember, 1897 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:42,950 like something Emily would remember, especially because there is another 1898 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:42,960 especially because there is another 1899 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,430 especially because there is another interaction between the two of them with 1900 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:45,440 interaction between the two of them with 1901 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,750 interaction between the two of them with witnesses. So, after that happened, 1902 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:49,760 witnesses. So, after that happened, 1903 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,030 witnesses. So, after that happened, after the bathroom, what what happens 1904 00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:53,040 after the bathroom, what what happens 1905 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,030 after the bathroom, what what happens then? 1906 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:55,040 then? 1907 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,109 then? So, uh, that was another busy 1908 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:57,119 So, uh, that was another busy 1909 00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:58,710 So, uh, that was another busy convention. That was the one where they 1910 00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:58,720 convention. That was the one where they 1911 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,870 convention. That was the one where they were showing the premiere of the Brewing 1912 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:00,880 were showing the premiere of the Brewing 1913 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,870 were showing the premiere of the Brewing documentary from John Delansancy and 1914 00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:02,880 documentary from John Delansancy and 1915 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,550 documentary from John Delansancy and Michael Brokoff, which was a big deal at 1916 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:04,560 Michael Brokoff, which was a big deal at 1917 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,470 Michael Brokoff, which was a big deal at the time. It was a big old crowdfunded 1918 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:06,480 the time. It was a big old crowdfunded 1919 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,790 the time. It was a big old crowdfunded thing. It was it was a a work in 1920 00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:08,800 thing. It was it was a a work in 1921 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,430 thing. It was it was a a work in progress, uh, screening. And also, the 1922 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:11,440 progress, uh, screening. And also, the 1923 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,790 progress, uh, screening. And also, the convention was busy just running around 1924 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:12,800 convention was busy just running around 1925 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,270 convention was busy just running around to different panels, uh, also doing more 1926 00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:15,280 to different panels, uh, also doing more 1927 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,710 to different panels, uh, also doing more interviews and being involved with the 1928 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:16,720 interviews and being involved with the 1929 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,150 interviews and being involved with the Everree Radio guys. Um we I'd see her at 1930 00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:20,160 Everree Radio guys. Um we I'd see her at 1931 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,150 Everree Radio guys. Um we I'd see her at the convention uh and she would text me 1932 00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:22,160 the convention uh and she would text me 1933 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,829 the convention uh and she would text me wanting to hang out but again just I was 1934 00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:23,839 wanting to hang out but again just I was 1935 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:26,230 wanting to hang out but again just I was too busy. I was I was I was booked uh 1936 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:26,240 too busy. I was I was I was booked uh 1937 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,870 too busy. I was I was I was booked uh the entire time through and the only 1938 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:28,880 the entire time through and the only 1939 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,430 the entire time through and the only time I can really recall seeing her was 1940 00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:31,440 time I can really recall seeing her was 1941 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,349 time I can really recall seeing her was when we left it was so it was in 1942 00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:33,359 when we left it was so it was in 1943 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:36,550 when we left it was so it was in Downtown Disney is where this movie was 1944 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:36,560 Downtown Disney is where this movie was 1945 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,310 Downtown Disney is where this movie was being screened the the the cut of the 1946 00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:38,320 being screened the the the cut of the 1947 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,150 being screened the the the cut of the brain documentary. I remember going 1948 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:40,160 brain documentary. I remember going 1949 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,630 brain documentary. I remember going there with uh AC race best and with 1950 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:42,640 there with uh AC race best and with 1951 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,310 there with uh AC race best and with Paleo and a handful of other folks. Um, 1952 00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:46,320 Paleo and a handful of other folks. Um, 1953 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,270 Paleo and a handful of other folks. Um, I remember Hot D Hot Diggity Demon was 1954 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:49,280 I remember Hot D Hot Diggity Demon was 1955 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,349 I remember Hot D Hot Diggity Demon was also in the audience. Uh, it it was a 1956 00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:51,359 also in the audience. Uh, it it was a 1957 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:52,950 also in the audience. Uh, it it was a really interesting evening watching the 1958 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:52,960 really interesting evening watching the 1959 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,150 really interesting evening watching the cut for the documentary cuz it wasn't 1960 00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:54,160 cut for the documentary cuz it wasn't 1961 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,630 cut for the documentary cuz it wasn't that good. I digress. Uh, when we walked 1962 00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:56,640 that good. I digress. Uh, when we walked 1963 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,349 that good. I digress. Uh, when we walked out of the uh theater screening, we were 1964 00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:59,359 out of the uh theater screening, we were 1965 00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,349 out of the uh theater screening, we were all very, you know, being very critical, 1966 00:38:01,349 --> 00:38:01,359 all very, you know, being very critical, 1967 00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,550 all very, you know, being very critical, very opinionated. And I remember looking 1968 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:04,560 very opinionated. And I remember looking 1969 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,310 very opinionated. And I remember looking uh to the side and I saw Emily like 1970 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:08,320 uh to the side and I saw Emily like 1971 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,829 uh to the side and I saw Emily like leaning against the wall with her friend 1972 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:09,839 leaning against the wall with her friend 1973 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,150 leaning against the wall with her friend Sandra. And it's almost like Emily was 1974 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:12,160 Sandra. And it's almost like Emily was 1975 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,390 Sandra. And it's almost like Emily was waiting for me to come out. Uh because 1976 00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:14,400 waiting for me to come out. Uh because 1977 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,670 waiting for me to come out. Uh because then she saw me and then she looked 1978 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:15,680 then she saw me and then she looked 1979 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,589 then she saw me and then she looked forward and she started to, you know, 1980 00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:17,599 forward and she started to, you know, 1981 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,349 forward and she started to, you know, pass out. I I don't know if she was 1982 00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:19,359 pass out. I I don't know if she was 1983 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,510 pass out. I I don't know if she was pretending or not, but she started to 1984 00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:21,520 pretending or not, but she started to 1985 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,750 pretending or not, but she started to pass out uh and being like, "Oh my 1986 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:23,760 pass out uh and being like, "Oh my 1987 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,109 pass out uh and being like, "Oh my gosh." You know, Sandra's like, "Oh my 1988 00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:25,119 gosh." You know, Sandra's like, "Oh my 1989 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:26,870 gosh." You know, Sandra's like, "Oh my gosh, you know, she needs help." I'm a 1990 00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:26,880 gosh, you know, she needs help." I'm a 1991 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,190 gosh, you know, she needs help." I'm a lifeguard, so I I know some first day. 1992 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:29,200 lifeguard, so I I know some first day. 1993 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,950 lifeguard, so I I know some first day. And I walked up over to her along with 1994 00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:30,960 And I walked up over to her along with 1995 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,310 And I walked up over to her along with Palin and Jeffrey Rac. And um we uh 1996 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:36,320 Palin and Jeffrey Rac. And um we uh 1997 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,430 Palin and Jeffrey Rac. And um we uh we're just saying, "Let's get you some 1998 00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:37,440 we're just saying, "Let's get you some 1999 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,870 we're just saying, "Let's get you some water. You okay?" And Sandre was like, 2000 00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:40,880 water. You okay?" And Sandre was like, 2001 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,230 water. You okay?" And Sandre was like, "I need you all to stay here with her. 2002 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:42,240 "I need you all to stay here with her. 2003 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,470 "I need you all to stay here with her. You know that she can't be alone." And 2004 00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:44,480 You know that she can't be alone." And 2005 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,390 You know that she can't be alone." And ultimately, 2006 00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:46,400 ultimately, 2007 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,550 ultimately, I can't recall. I think we actually 2008 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:48,560 I can't recall. I think we actually 2009 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,630 I can't recall. I think we actually called one of the Disney people came 2010 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:50,640 called one of the Disney people came 2011 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,069 called one of the Disney people came over to actually help out cuz they were 2012 00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:52,079 over to actually help out cuz they were 2013 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,109 over to actually help out cuz they were like, "Hey, we're actually have like 2014 00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:53,119 like, "Hey, we're actually have like 2015 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,069 like, "Hey, we're actually have like first aid people, but ultimately uh we 2016 00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:56,079 first aid people, but ultimately uh we 2017 00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,750 first aid people, but ultimately uh we didn't stay around for too long because 2018 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:57,760 didn't stay around for too long because 2019 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,430 didn't stay around for too long because someone else intervened to help out 2020 00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:59,440 someone else intervened to help out 2021 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,390 someone else intervened to help out Emily and Sandra." Uh and then we, you 2022 00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:02,400 Emily and Sandra." Uh and then we, you 2023 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,349 Emily and Sandra." Uh and then we, you know, uh were on our way. You know, I 2024 00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:05,359 know, uh were on our way. You know, I 2025 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:06,310 know, uh were on our way. You know, I remember texting her be like, "You let 2026 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:06,320 remember texting her be like, "You let 2027 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,910 remember texting her be like, "You let me know if you're okay." But we had to 2028 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:07,920 me know if you're okay." But we had to 2029 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,190 me know if you're okay." But we had to get going cuz we had other, you know, 2030 00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:09,200 get going cuz we had other, you know, 2031 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,710 get going cuz we had other, you know, arrangement we had to take off to. But I 2032 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:10,720 arrangement we had to take off to. But I 2033 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,829 arrangement we had to take off to. But I do remember her like wait. It's almost 2034 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:13,839 do remember her like wait. It's almost 2035 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,550 do remember her like wait. It's almost like she looked fine. 2036 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:16,560 like she looked fine. 2037 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,150 like she looked fine. It's my recollection when I walked out 2038 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:18,160 It's my recollection when I walked out 2039 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,069 It's my recollection when I walked out of the door and then when she saw me, 2040 00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:20,079 of the door and then when she saw me, 2041 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,109 of the door and then when she saw me, she started like acting like she had a 2042 00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:23,119 she started like acting like she had a 2043 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,670 she started like acting like she had a heat stroke or something or and again I 2044 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:25,680 heat stroke or something or and again I 2045 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,310 heat stroke or something or and again I don't want to say acting. I don't know. 2046 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:28,320 don't want to say acting. I don't know. 2047 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,910 don't want to say acting. I don't know. But it was I remember her looking and 2048 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:29,920 But it was I remember her looking and 2049 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,670 But it was I remember her looking and then seeing me and then and then falling 2050 00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:31,680 then seeing me and then and then falling 2051 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,030 then seeing me and then and then falling to the ground like you know not falling 2052 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:33,040 to the ground like you know not falling 2053 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,990 to the ground like you know not falling to the ground but leaning against the 2054 00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:34,000 to the ground but leaning against the 2055 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,589 to the ground but leaning against the wall and sliding down until her bottom 2056 00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:35,599 wall and sliding down until her bottom 2057 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,430 wall and sliding down until her bottom hit the ground. 2058 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:37,440 hit the ground. 2059 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,190 hit the ground. Okay. And her and her friend Sandra 2060 00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:39,200 Okay. And her and her friend Sandra 2061 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,109 Okay. And her and her friend Sandra being very panicked and us being there 2062 00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:41,119 being very panicked and us being there 2063 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:42,710 being very panicked and us being there for her for, you know, you know, we were 2064 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:42,720 for her for, you know, you know, we were 2065 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:43,990 for her for, you know, you know, we were there for, you know, a good handful of 2066 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:44,000 there for, you know, a good handful of 2067 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,270 there for, you know, a good handful of minutes just getting her water and 2068 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:45,280 minutes just getting her water and 2069 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,630 minutes just getting her water and dabbing her head and stuff, making sure 2070 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:46,640 dabbing her head and stuff, making sure 2071 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,950 dabbing her head and stuff, making sure she's fine. And she was fine, but then 2072 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:48,960 she's fine. And she was fine, but then 2073 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,790 she's fine. And she was fine, but then it was more of a you all need to stay 2074 00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:50,800 it was more of a you all need to stay 2075 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,349 it was more of a you all need to stay here with her. And that's when I'm like, 2076 00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:53,359 here with her. And that's when I'm like, 2077 00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:57,190 here with her. And that's when I'm like, is this a trick to, you know, pity us 2078 00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:57,200 is this a trick to, you know, pity us 2079 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,109 is this a trick to, you know, pity us into this? I don't know. To this day, I 2080 00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:59,119 into this? I don't know. To this day, I 2081 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:00,230 into this? I don't know. To this day, I still don't know what happened. It was 2082 00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:00,240 still don't know what happened. It was 2083 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,750 still don't know what happened. It was it was odd, but but yeah, the more I 2084 00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:01,760 it was odd, but but yeah, the more I 2085 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,589 it was odd, but but yeah, the more I think about it, Disney had people on 2086 00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:03,599 think about it, Disney had people on 2087 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:04,870 think about it, Disney had people on Main Street who are like, "We can help 2088 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:04,880 Main Street who are like, "We can help 2089 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,230 Main Street who are like, "We can help out." And uh we we we disengaged after 2090 00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:08,240 out." And uh we we we disengaged after 2091 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,510 out." And uh we we we disengaged after that. And now hopefully you have a full 2092 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:11,520 that. And now hopefully you have a full 2093 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,190 that. And now hopefully you have a full picture of what these events look like 2094 00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:13,200 picture of what these events look like 2095 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,349 picture of what these events look like from Sabre's perspective. What we're 2096 00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:15,359 from Sabre's perspective. What we're 2097 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,870 from Sabre's perspective. What we're going to be going on to next is the 2098 00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:16,880 going to be going on to next is the 2099 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,230 going to be going on to next is the aftermath because Emily has not been 2100 00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:20,240 aftermath because Emily has not been 2101 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:21,829 aftermath because Emily has not been honest about what their friendship 2102 00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:21,839 honest about what their friendship 2103 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,710 honest about what their friendship looked like in any way. And these text 2104 00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:24,720 looked like in any way. And these text 2105 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,750 looked like in any way. And these text messages paint a pretty clear picture of 2106 00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:27,760 messages paint a pretty clear picture of 2107 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,670 messages paint a pretty clear picture of both that ongoing relationship and her 2108 00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:31,680 both that ongoing relationship and her 2109 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,470 both that ongoing relationship and her actual issues with Saber Spark. And most 2110 00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:34,480 actual issues with Saber Spark. And most 2111 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,270 actual issues with Saber Spark. And most importantly of all, I think they give us 2112 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:37,280 importantly of all, I think they give us 2113 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,349 importantly of all, I think they give us answers as to why these accusations 2114 00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:39,359 answers as to why these accusations 2115 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:42,310 answers as to why these accusations against him started in the first place. 2116 00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:42,320 against him started in the first place. 2117 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,069 against him started in the first place. But before that, I do want to tie up 2118 00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:44,079 But before that, I do want to tie up 2119 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,310 But before that, I do want to tie up just a couple of loose ends in Sabre's 2120 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:46,320 just a couple of loose ends in Sabre's 2121 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,109 just a couple of loose ends in Sabre's story, just so we've sort of cleared the 2122 00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:49,119 story, just so we've sort of cleared the 2123 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,109 story, just so we've sort of cleared the board. Uh, I mean, just I suppose to 2124 00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:51,119 board. Uh, I mean, just I suppose to 2125 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,349 board. Uh, I mean, just I suppose to finish the story of the pregnancy scare. 2126 00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:53,359 finish the story of the pregnancy scare. 2127 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:56,390 finish the story of the pregnancy scare. How did that kind of work itself out? 2128 00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:56,400 How did that kind of work itself out? 2129 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,470 How did that kind of work itself out? End of the convention on a Sunday. I 2130 00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:58,480 End of the convention on a Sunday. I 2131 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,470 End of the convention on a Sunday. I remember going over to her hotel being 2132 00:41:00,470 --> 00:41:00,480 remember going over to her hotel being 2133 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,150 remember going over to her hotel being like, I'm like, we have to get this 2134 00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:02,160 like, I'm like, we have to get this 2135 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,990 like, I'm like, we have to get this test. like I I I need to know the answer 2136 00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:04,000 test. like I I I need to know the answer 2137 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,069 test. like I I I need to know the answer before I head home just so I can know 2138 00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:06,079 before I head home just so I can know 2139 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,950 before I head home just so I can know what's going on. And I walked over to a 2140 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:08,960 what's going on. And I walked over to a 2141 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,750 what's going on. And I walked over to a Target across the street. I got the 2142 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:11,760 Target across the street. I got the 2143 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,910 Target across the street. I got the pregnancy test, came back, and I'm like, 2144 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:13,920 pregnancy test, came back, and I'm like, 2145 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,190 pregnancy test, came back, and I'm like, "Please, can you take this?" And she 2146 00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:15,200 "Please, can you take this?" And she 2147 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,190 "Please, can you take this?" And she goes, "Okay." You know, cuz it was times 2148 00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:17,200 goes, "Okay." You know, cuz it was times 2149 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,670 goes, "Okay." You know, cuz it was times time's up. And she she's said, "Okay, 2150 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:19,680 time's up. And she she's said, "Okay, 2151 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,750 time's up. And she she's said, "Okay, I'll do it." And she took it and it was 2152 00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:21,760 I'll do it." And she took it and it was 2153 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,589 I'll do it." And she took it and it was negative. And I remember after her 2154 00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:23,599 negative. And I remember after her 2155 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,390 negative. And I remember after her afterwards, I was like almost dumbruck 2156 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:26,400 afterwards, I was like almost dumbruck 2157 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,069 afterwards, I was like almost dumbruck with relief. And at that point, it 2158 00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:30,079 with relief. And at that point, it 2159 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,910 with relief. And at that point, it started to I started to form this 2160 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:31,920 started to I started to form this 2161 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,670 started to I started to form this opinion in my head where I'm like, did 2162 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:33,680 opinion in my head where I'm like, did 2163 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,910 opinion in my head where I'm like, did she just baby scare me to keep me in her 2164 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:35,920 she just baby scare me to keep me in her 2165 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,430 she just baby scare me to keep me in her life? And that that was the emotion 2166 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:39,440 life? And that that was the emotion 2167 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,950 life? And that that was the emotion surging through my head along with 2168 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:40,960 surging through my head along with 2169 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,790 surging through my head along with relief. And I remember her being like, 2170 00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:42,800 relief. And I remember her being like, 2171 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,230 relief. And I remember her being like, can we please, you know, keep talking? 2172 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:44,240 can we please, you know, keep talking? 2173 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,309 can we please, you know, keep talking? Can we still be friends? You know, I I 2174 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:46,319 Can we still be friends? You know, I I 2175 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:47,510 Can we still be friends? You know, I I don't want this to be the end of us. Are 2176 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:47,520 don't want this to be the end of us. Are 2177 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,950 don't want this to be the end of us. Are you angry at me? And I'm like, no, no, 2178 00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:48,960 you angry at me? And I'm like, no, no, 2179 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,390 you angry at me? And I'm like, no, no, no. We're good. We're good. Um, to which 2180 00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:52,400 no. We're good. We're good. Um, to which 2181 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,309 no. We're good. We're good. Um, to which ultimately I was like so scared 2182 00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:54,319 ultimately I was like so scared 2183 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:55,829 ultimately I was like so scared afterwards that I started to pull away 2184 00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:55,839 afterwards that I started to pull away 2185 00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:58,390 afterwards that I started to pull away from her uh for the next few months and 2186 00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:58,400 from her uh for the next few months and 2187 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,950 from her uh for the next few months and until until I unfollowed her on Twitter 2188 00:42:00,950 --> 00:42:00,960 until until I unfollowed her on Twitter 2189 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,870 until until I unfollowed her on Twitter at the end of the year and that created 2190 00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:02,880 at the end of the year and that created 2191 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,190 at the end of the year and that created another spiral of of her getting angry 2192 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:05,200 another spiral of of her getting angry 2193 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,109 another spiral of of her getting angry at me. So if this was I mean you say you 2194 00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:07,119 at me. So if this was I mean you say you 2195 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,470 at me. So if this was I mean you say you pulled away from her for the next few 2196 00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:08,480 pulled away from her for the next few 2197 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,030 pulled away from her for the next few months but I mean cuz I cuz I've seen 2198 00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:11,040 months but I mean cuz I cuz I've seen 2199 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,430 months but I mean cuz I cuz I've seen your DMs with her. Um so you p if you 2200 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:15,440 your DMs with her. Um so you p if you 2201 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,790 your DMs with her. Um so you p if you pulled away from her I mean it wouldn't 2202 00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:16,800 pulled away from her I mean it wouldn't 2203 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,190 pulled away from her I mean it wouldn't be for months sober. It would not months 2204 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:19,200 be for months sober. It would not months 2205 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,190 be for months sober. It would not months I would say. I mean, it's I'd say 2206 00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:21,200 I would say. I mean, it's I'd say 2207 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,870 I would say. I mean, it's I'd say November. No, I'm sorry. You're right. 2208 00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:22,880 November. No, I'm sorry. You're right. 2209 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,109 November. No, I'm sorry. You're right. I'm I'm getting my uh the increments 2210 00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:25,119 I'm I'm getting my uh the increments 2211 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:26,550 I'm I'm getting my uh the increments wrong, but it was I would say for the 2212 00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:26,560 wrong, but it was I would say for the 2213 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,390 wrong, but it was I would say for the rest of November, and we we'd still 2214 00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:28,400 rest of November, and we we'd still 2215 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,190 rest of November, and we we'd still text, but I was a lot more reclusive of 2216 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:31,200 text, but I was a lot more reclusive of 2217 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,069 text, but I was a lot more reclusive of replying a lot a lot not nearly as uh 2218 00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:34,079 replying a lot a lot not nearly as uh 2219 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,069 replying a lot a lot not nearly as uh you know, enthusiastically, 2220 00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:36,079 you know, enthusiastically, 2221 00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,630 you know, enthusiastically, you know, communicative, I would say. I 2222 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:38,640 you know, communicative, I would say. I 2223 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,109 you know, communicative, I would say. I was um I was I was pulling back a bit. 2224 00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:41,119 was um I was I was pulling back a bit. 2225 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,710 was um I was I was pulling back a bit. And also, it was Christmas time, too. We 2226 00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:42,720 And also, it was Christmas time, too. We 2227 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,190 And also, it was Christmas time, too. We were getting close into the year and uh 2228 00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:45,200 were getting close into the year and uh 2229 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,790 were getting close into the year and uh also me working on my documentary with 2230 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:46,800 also me working on my documentary with 2231 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,190 also me working on my documentary with Paleo and I was focusing on that. So, I 2232 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:49,200 Paleo and I was focusing on that. So, I 2233 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,550 Paleo and I was focusing on that. So, I just didn't really have much much time. 2234 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:50,560 just didn't really have much much time. 2235 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,829 just didn't really have much much time. I didn't talk to her as much, but we 2236 00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:51,839 I didn't talk to her as much, but we 2237 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,349 I didn't talk to her as much, but we still talked. We still we still talked 2238 00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:53,359 still talked. We still we still talked 2239 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,069 still talked. We still we still talked to each other, just not as much. Now, 2240 00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:56,079 to each other, just not as much. Now, 2241 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,750 to each other, just not as much. Now, before we get started, I'd like to 2242 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:57,760 before we get started, I'd like to 2243 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,510 before we get started, I'd like to remind you all that Emily has claimed 2244 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:59,520 remind you all that Emily has claimed 2245 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,430 remind you all that Emily has claimed that she was uncomfortable with this 2246 00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:01,440 that she was uncomfortable with this 2247 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,990 that she was uncomfortable with this relationship right from the start, that 2248 00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:04,000 relationship right from the start, that 2249 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,870 relationship right from the start, that she phoned a friend to tell them that 2250 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:06,880 she phoned a friend to tell them that 2251 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,109 she phoned a friend to tell them that Davis Spark had in some way sexually 2252 00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:09,119 Davis Spark had in some way sexually 2253 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,790 Davis Spark had in some way sexually assaulted her. So, it seems pretty weird 2254 00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:12,800 assaulted her. So, it seems pretty weird 2255 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,710 assaulted her. So, it seems pretty weird that during the time period where she 2256 00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:14,720 that during the time period where she 2257 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,550 that during the time period where she says that she was pulling away and 2258 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:16,560 says that she was pulling away and 2259 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,270 says that she was pulling away and wanted nothing to do with him that she'd 2260 00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:19,280 wanted nothing to do with him that she'd 2261 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,910 wanted nothing to do with him that she'd get so upset with him for unfollowing 2262 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:21,920 get so upset with him for unfollowing 2263 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,030 get so upset with him for unfollowing her on Twitter. And I know this sounds 2264 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:25,040 her on Twitter. And I know this sounds 2265 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,990 her on Twitter. And I know this sounds minor, but I promise you this is a 2266 00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:28,000 minor, but I promise you this is a 2267 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,790 minor, but I promise you this is a theme. Because yes, that's how these 2268 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:30,800 theme. Because yes, that's how these 2269 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,270 theme. Because yes, that's how these interactions begin. On December the 2270 00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:33,280 interactions begin. On December the 2271 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,230 interactions begin. On December the 18th, Emily would message Sabre, "Why 2272 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:36,240 18th, Emily would message Sabre, "Why 2273 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,550 18th, Emily would message Sabre, "Why did you unfollow me, Steven? I want you 2274 00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:38,560 did you unfollow me, Steven? I want you 2275 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,230 did you unfollow me, Steven? I want you to be honest with me. It's making my 2276 00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:40,240 to be honest with me. It's making my 2277 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,309 to be honest with me. It's making my heart ache thinking you are mad at me to 2278 00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:42,319 heart ache thinking you are mad at me to 2279 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:45,030 heart ache thinking you are mad at me to the point where you unfollow me. Sabre 2280 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:45,040 the point where you unfollow me. Sabre 2281 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,030 the point where you unfollow me. Sabre would explain that he'd unfollowed her 2282 00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:47,040 would explain that he'd unfollowed her 2283 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,109 would explain that he'd unfollowed her because she tweeted a lot and he found 2284 00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:49,119 because she tweeted a lot and he found 2285 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,750 because she tweeted a lot and he found this to be pretty annoying. But while 2286 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:51,760 this to be pretty annoying. But while 2287 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,670 this to be pretty annoying. But while Sabre has told me this is actually 2288 00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:53,680 Sabre has told me this is actually 2289 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,069 Sabre has told me this is actually pretty much the truth, Sabre's testimony 2290 00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:56,079 pretty much the truth, Sabre's testimony 2291 00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,230 pretty much the truth, Sabre's testimony actually just gives us way more context 2292 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:58,240 actually just gives us way more context 2293 00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,990 actually just gives us way more context of the fact that he'd essentially 2294 00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:00,000 of the fact that he'd essentially 2295 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,990 of the fact that he'd essentially ghosted her. And it seems that 2296 00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:02,000 ghosted her. And it seems that 2297 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,990 ghosted her. And it seems that unfollowing her on Twitter may have been 2298 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:04,000 unfollowing her on Twitter may have been 2299 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,230 unfollowing her on Twitter may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. 2300 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:06,240 the straw that broke the camel's back. 2301 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,829 the straw that broke the camel's back. and Sabre would relent and refollow her. 2302 00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:09,839 and Sabre would relent and refollow her. 2303 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,790 and Sabre would relent and refollow her. Though, to be completely fair to Emily, 2304 00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:12,800 Though, to be completely fair to Emily, 2305 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,470 Though, to be completely fair to Emily, I'd be pretty [\h__\h] annoyed, too, 2306 00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:14,480 I'd be pretty [\h__\h] annoyed, too, 2307 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,309 I'd be pretty [\h__\h] annoyed, too, because this only lasted a couple of 2308 00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:16,319 because this only lasted a couple of 2309 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,710 because this only lasted a couple of hours before he once again unfollowed 2310 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:18,720 hours before he once again unfollowed 2311 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,430 hours before he once again unfollowed her with her saying, "I've only tweeted 2312 00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:21,440 her with her saying, "I've only tweeted 2313 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,270 her with her saying, "I've only tweeted like two times within the past few 2314 00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:23,280 like two times within the past few 2315 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,750 like two times within the past few hours. What is going on?" And here we 2316 00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:25,760 hours. What is going on?" And here we 2317 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,950 hours. What is going on?" And here we find Sabre being honest cuz I want to 2318 00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:28,960 find Sabre being honest cuz I want to 2319 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,790 find Sabre being honest cuz I want to avoid drama. I feel like you are 2320 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:30,800 avoid drama. I feel like you are 2321 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,270 avoid drama. I feel like you are latching on to me and I need space. 2322 00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:33,280 latching on to me and I need space. 2323 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,510 latching on to me and I need space. Sorry, M. I need this for the time being 2324 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:35,520 Sorry, M. I need this for the time being 2325 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,950 Sorry, M. I need this for the time being until the dock is done. You know, it is 2326 00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:38,960 until the dock is done. You know, it is 2327 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,710 until the dock is done. You know, it is kind of [\h__\h] wild to me to look 2328 00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:40,720 kind of [\h__\h] wild to me to look 2329 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,950 kind of [\h__\h] wild to me to look through these messages and find exactly 2330 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:42,960 through these messages and find exactly 2331 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,710 through these messages and find exactly the same grievances that made me 2332 00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:44,720 the same grievances that made me 2333 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,430 the same grievances that made me suspicious of her 2025 statement 2334 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:47,440 suspicious of her 2025 statement 2335 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,230 suspicious of her 2025 statement reiterated by Emily in both 2012 and 2336 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:50,240 reiterated by Emily in both 2012 and 2337 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,510 reiterated by Emily in both 2012 and 2013. On Sabre's side, he seems well 2338 00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:53,520 2013. On Sabre's side, he seems well 2339 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,430 2013. On Sabre's side, he seems well aware of what the issues are because he 2340 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:55,440 aware of what the issues are because he 2341 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,630 aware of what the issues are because he apologizes in December and then again in 2342 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:58,640 apologizes in December and then again in 2343 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,270 apologizes in December and then again in February. And Emily accepts this 2344 00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:01,280 February. And Emily accepts this 2345 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,829 February. And Emily accepts this apology, fully bringing Sabers Spark 2346 00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:03,839 apology, fully bringing Sabers Spark 2347 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,990 apology, fully bringing Sabers Spark back into her life and working to repair 2348 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:06,000 back into her life and working to repair 2349 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,069 back into her life and working to repair the relationship. 2350 00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:08,079 the relationship. 2351 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,550 the relationship. Again, this shoots some holes in her 2352 00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:10,560 Again, this shoots some holes in her 2353 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,270 Again, this shoots some holes in her narrative. Quite significant holes, I'd 2354 00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:13,280 narrative. Quite significant holes, I'd 2355 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,390 narrative. Quite significant holes, I'd argue, but it seems like I was pretty 2356 00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:16,400 argue, but it seems like I was pretty 2357 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,550 argue, but it seems like I was pretty bang on the money back on like May the 2358 00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:18,560 bang on the money back on like May the 2359 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,190 bang on the money back on like May the 2nd when I started looking into it. It's 2360 00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:21,200 2nd when I started looking into it. It's 2361 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,270 2nd when I started looking into it. It's also probably worth a quick bit of 2362 00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:23,280 also probably worth a quick bit of 2363 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,270 also probably worth a quick bit of context as to why Saber Spark would 2364 00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:25,280 context as to why Saber Spark would 2365 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,589 context as to why Saber Spark would apologize to Emily in February in the 2366 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:27,599 apologize to Emily in February in the 2367 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,910 apologize to Emily in February in the first place because this wasn't just 2368 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:29,920 first place because this wasn't just 2369 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,069 first place because this wasn't just Saber Spark randomly trying to hook up 2370 00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:32,079 Saber Spark randomly trying to hook up 2371 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,750 Saber Spark randomly trying to hook up with a girl who he had a previous 2372 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:33,760 with a girl who he had a previous 2373 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,910 with a girl who he had a previous relationship with. It's actually cuz 2374 00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:35,920 relationship with. It's actually cuz 2375 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,750 relationship with. It's actually cuz Saber Spark was trying to keep the peace 2376 00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:37,760 Saber Spark was trying to keep the peace 2377 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,829 Saber Spark was trying to keep the peace at conventions which were getting a 2378 00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:39,839 at conventions which were getting a 2379 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:43,270 at conventions which were getting a little bit awkward. Let's move forward 2380 00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:43,280 little bit awkward. Let's move forward 2381 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,309 little bit awkward. Let's move forward to February cuz the first time I saw 2382 00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:46,319 to February cuz the first time I saw 2383 00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,230 to February cuz the first time I saw these obviously I saw them only with 2384 00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:48,240 these obviously I saw them only with 2385 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,390 these obviously I saw them only with days and time at times. I didn't see 2386 00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:50,400 days and time at times. I didn't see 2387 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,390 days and time at times. I didn't see them with dates and I was surprised to 2388 00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:52,400 them with dates and I was surprised to 2389 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,150 them with dates and I was surprised to see that. I mean, you messaged her out 2390 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:54,160 see that. I mean, you messaged her out 2391 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,069 see that. I mean, you messaged her out the blue. Hey, M. I won't take too much 2392 00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:56,079 the blue. Hey, M. I won't take too much 2393 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,750 the blue. Hey, M. I won't take too much of your time. I just wanted to say 2394 00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:57,760 of your time. I just wanted to say 2395 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,349 of your time. I just wanted to say sorry. Sorry for how I treated you. 2396 00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:59,359 sorry. Sorry for how I treated you. 2397 00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:00,790 sorry. Sorry for how I treated you. Sorry for going silent for months and 2398 00:46:00,790 --> 00:46:00,800 Sorry for going silent for months and 2399 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,349 Sorry for going silent for months and not chatting with you. It is my fault. I 2400 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:03,359 not chatting with you. It is my fault. I 2401 00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:04,790 not chatting with you. It is my fault. I got scared and ran away and I left you 2402 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:04,800 got scared and ran away and I left you 2403 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,470 got scared and ran away and I left you behind. I was a bad friend. So, I just 2404 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:06,480 behind. I was a bad friend. So, I just 2405 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,470 behind. I was a bad friend. So, I just want to apologize. I'm not expecting you 2406 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:08,480 want to apologize. I'm not expecting you 2407 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,069 want to apologize. I'm not expecting you to be kind to talk to me again at this 2408 00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:10,079 to be kind to talk to me again at this 2409 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,829 to be kind to talk to me again at this con or uh or ever. And that is fair. 2410 00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:13,839 con or uh or ever. And that is fair. 2411 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:17,270 con or uh or ever. And that is fair. And, you know, continues on much to this 2412 00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:17,280 And, you know, continues on much to this 2413 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,430 And, you know, continues on much to this degree. I mean, why message her out the 2414 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:19,440 degree. I mean, why message her out the 2415 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,109 degree. I mean, why message her out the blue? 2416 00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:21,119 blue? 2417 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,349 blue? We were at a convention in Vegas called 2418 00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:23,359 We were at a convention in Vegas called 2419 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,510 We were at a convention in Vegas called Lost Pegasus. She was there, I was 2420 00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:25,520 Lost Pegasus. She was there, I was 2421 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,430 Lost Pegasus. She was there, I was there, and there's even vlog footage to 2422 00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:27,440 there, and there's even vlog footage to 2423 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,030 there, and there's even vlog footage to that backs that up. And at the time, I 2424 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:31,040 that backs that up. And at the time, I 2425 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,390 that backs that up. And at the time, I believe she was starting to date Sorak. 2426 00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:34,400 believe she was starting to date Sorak. 2427 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,550 believe she was starting to date Sorak. And uh I would see them together at the 2428 00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:36,560 And uh I would see them together at the 2429 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,430 And uh I would see them together at the convention at the, you know, the concert 2430 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:39,440 convention at the, you know, the concert 2431 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,470 convention at the, you know, the concert floor at the vendor hall. And I could 2432 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:42,480 floor at the vendor hall. And I could 2433 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,230 floor at the vendor hall. And I could feel the tension, the awkwardness 2434 00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:44,240 feel the tension, the awkwardness 2435 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,630 feel the tension, the awkwardness between me and Emily where I would see 2436 00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:46,640 between me and Emily where I would see 2437 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,230 between me and Emily where I would see her um and she would shoot daggers at 2438 00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:50,240 her um and she would shoot daggers at 2439 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,990 her um and she would shoot daggers at me, you know, just glare at me and then 2440 00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:52,000 me, you know, just glare at me and then 2441 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,190 me, you know, just glare at me and then walk away and and grab, you know, Soulre 2442 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:55,200 walk away and and grab, you know, Soulre 2443 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,990 walk away and and grab, you know, Soulre his arm and bring him with her. And the 2444 00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:58,000 his arm and bring him with her. And the 2445 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,069 his arm and bring him with her. And the main thing to me was how awkward it felt 2446 00:47:00,069 --> 00:47:00,079 main thing to me was how awkward it felt 2447 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:01,990 main thing to me was how awkward it felt because we still shared the same group 2448 00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:02,000 because we still shared the same group 2449 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,829 because we still shared the same group of uh friends as far as like convention 2450 00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:05,839 of uh friends as far as like convention 2451 00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:08,390 of uh friends as far as like convention friends go. No, Final Draft, AC race 2452 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:08,400 friends go. No, Final Draft, AC race 2453 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,150 friends go. No, Final Draft, AC race best, Soul Rack, uh Paleo, uh a lot of 2454 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:12,160 best, Soul Rack, uh Paleo, uh a lot of 2455 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,390 best, Soul Rack, uh Paleo, uh a lot of people. And the last thing I wanted was 2456 00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:14,400 people. And the last thing I wanted was 2457 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,630 people. And the last thing I wanted was there to be any awkward tension with all 2458 00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:16,640 there to be any awkward tension with all 2459 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,870 there to be any awkward tension with all of us hanging out. Uh I'm a bit of a 2460 00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:18,880 of us hanging out. Uh I'm a bit of a 2461 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,589 of us hanging out. Uh I'm a bit of a peacemaker. I I don't like, you know, I 2462 00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:21,599 peacemaker. I I don't like, you know, I 2463 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,589 peacemaker. I I don't like, you know, I don't like uh just don't like tension. I 2464 00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:25,599 don't like uh just don't like tension. I 2465 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,470 don't like uh just don't like tension. I don't like that feeling. So, I thought, 2466 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:28,480 don't like that feeling. So, I thought, 2467 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,230 don't like that feeling. So, I thought, you know, it wasn't right of me to ghost 2468 00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:30,240 you know, it wasn't right of me to ghost 2469 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,109 you know, it wasn't right of me to ghost her and to unfollow her and to just drop 2470 00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:33,119 her and to unfollow her and to just drop 2471 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,069 her and to unfollow her and to just drop her like that so unceremoniously. I owe 2472 00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:36,079 her like that so unceremoniously. I owe 2473 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:37,990 her like that so unceremoniously. I owe her an apology for not being a good 2474 00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:38,000 her an apology for not being a good 2475 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,190 her an apology for not being a good friend. You know, yeah, we didn't work 2476 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:39,200 friend. You know, yeah, we didn't work 2477 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,550 friend. You know, yeah, we didn't work out as friends with benefits or anything 2478 00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:40,560 out as friends with benefits or anything 2479 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,150 out as friends with benefits or anything else, but that doesn't mean we still 2480 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:42,160 else, but that doesn't mean we still 2481 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,230 else, but that doesn't mean we still can't be friends. And that's why I 2482 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:44,240 can't be friends. And that's why I 2483 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,990 can't be friends. And that's why I reached out to her, especially for the 2484 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:46,000 reached out to her, especially for the 2485 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,910 reached out to her, especially for the sake of just having, you know, a piece, 2486 00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:47,920 sake of just having, you know, a piece, 2487 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,829 sake of just having, you know, a piece, you know, having a coming to an accord 2488 00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:49,839 you know, having a coming to an accord 2489 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:52,150 you know, having a coming to an accord for all the friends cuz we all hang out 2490 00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:52,160 for all the friends cuz we all hang out 2491 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,030 for all the friends cuz we all hang out at these conventions. And uh that's why 2492 00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:55,040 at these conventions. And uh that's why 2493 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,790 at these conventions. And uh that's why I reached out and apologized was for 2494 00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:56,800 I reached out and apologized was for 2495 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,430 I reached out and apologized was for ghosting her and then she forgave me. 2496 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:59,440 ghosting her and then she forgave me. 2497 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,349 ghosting her and then she forgave me. Having forgiven Saber Spark on the 2498 00:48:01,349 --> 00:48:01,359 Having forgiven Saber Spark on the 2499 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:02,950 Having forgiven Saber Spark on the condition that there's no more messing 2500 00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:02,960 condition that there's no more messing 2501 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,190 condition that there's no more messing around because she's now dating Soul 2502 00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:05,200 around because she's now dating Soul 2503 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,589 around because she's now dating Soul Rack once again highlighting her core 2504 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:07,599 Rack once again highlighting her core 2505 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,750 Rack once again highlighting her core issue. By February the 25th of 2013 they 2506 00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:11,760 issue. By February the 25th of 2013 they 2507 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,309 issue. By February the 25th of 2013 they were once again continuing our theme 2508 00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:14,319 were once again continuing our theme 2509 00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,630 were once again continuing our theme following each other on Twitter. It is 2510 00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:16,640 following each other on Twitter. It is 2511 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,470 following each other on Twitter. It is worth noting here that they were also 2512 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:18,480 worth noting here that they were also 2513 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,950 worth noting here that they were also communicating at this time over Skype 2514 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:20,960 communicating at this time over Skype 2515 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,030 communicating at this time over Skype with text messages appearing to be a 2516 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:23,040 with text messages appearing to be a 2517 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,069 with text messages appearing to be a secondary mode of communication. But the 2518 00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:26,079 secondary mode of communication. But the 2519 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,150 secondary mode of communication. But the next major piece of evidence of how 2520 00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:28,160 next major piece of evidence of how 2521 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,390 next major piece of evidence of how highly Emily thought of Saber Spark 2522 00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:30,400 highly Emily thought of Saber Spark 2523 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,349 highly Emily thought of Saber Spark would come to us on April the 23rd of 2524 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:33,359 would come to us on April the 23rd of 2525 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:36,470 would come to us on April the 23rd of that year when Emily asks, "Can I have 2526 00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:36,480 that year when Emily asks, "Can I have 2527 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,030 that year when Emily asks, "Can I have some advice?" Now, I don't know about 2528 00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:39,040 some advice?" Now, I don't know about 2529 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,030 some advice?" Now, I don't know about you, but if it were me and I believe 2530 00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:41,040 you, but if it were me and I believe 2531 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,510 you, but if it were me and I believe somebody had sexually assaulted me, I 2532 00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:43,520 somebody had sexually assaulted me, I 2533 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,190 somebody had sexually assaulted me, I probably wouldn't be coming to that 2534 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:45,200 probably wouldn't be coming to that 2535 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,390 probably wouldn't be coming to that person for relationship advice. But 2536 00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:48,400 person for relationship advice. But 2537 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,589 person for relationship advice. But unbelievably, Emily comes to Saber Spark 2538 00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:51,599 unbelievably, Emily comes to Saber Spark 2539 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,950 unbelievably, Emily comes to Saber Spark for advice on her breakup with Soulra. 2540 00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:54,960 for advice on her breakup with Soulra. 2541 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,670 for advice on her breakup with Soulra. I'm not kidding here. Emily had broken 2542 00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:57,680 I'm not kidding here. Emily had broken 2543 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,950 I'm not kidding here. Emily had broken up with Sorak because Sra's father 2544 00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:00,960 up with Sorak because Sra's father 2545 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,750 up with Sorak because Sra's father disapproved of his 18-year-old son 2546 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:03,760 disapproved of his 18-year-old son 2547 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,670 disapproved of his 18-year-old son getting together with a single mother 2548 00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:05,680 getting together with a single mother 2549 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,750 getting together with a single mother who was quite clearly looking for a 2550 00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:07,760 who was quite clearly looking for a 2551 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,390 who was quite clearly looking for a father for her daughter. And this is a 2552 00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:10,400 father for her daughter. And this is a 2553 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,309 father for her daughter. And this is a really interesting throughine when you 2554 00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:12,319 really interesting throughine when you 2555 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:14,309 really interesting throughine when you consider what had just happened to Saber 2556 00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:14,319 consider what had just happened to Saber 2557 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:16,710 consider what had just happened to Saber Spark regarding the pregnancy scare. 2558 00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:16,720 Spark regarding the pregnancy scare. 2559 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,030 Spark regarding the pregnancy scare. This is somebody who I mean is currently 2560 00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:19,040 This is somebody who I mean is currently 2561 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,150 This is somebody who I mean is currently accusing you of being their rapist 2562 00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:22,160 accusing you of being their rapist 2563 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,390 accusing you of being their rapist and also but even without that they're 2564 00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:24,400 and also but even without that they're 2565 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,069 and also but even without that they're your ex-friend with benefits who you're 2566 00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:26,079 your ex-friend with benefits who you're 2567 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:27,750 your ex-friend with benefits who you're pulling away from. Why are they coming 2568 00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:27,760 pulling away from. Why are they coming 2569 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,510 pulling away from. Why are they coming to you about relationship stuff? 2570 00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:31,520 to you about relationship stuff? 2571 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,589 to you about relationship stuff? You got me. I was I was a little bit 2572 00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:33,599 You got me. I was I was a little bit 2573 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,190 You got me. I was I was a little bit surprised 2574 00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:35,200 surprised 2575 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,470 surprised uh because to me maybe it's because you 2576 00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:38,480 uh because to me maybe it's because you 2577 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,270 uh because to me maybe it's because you know we had a a fling I guess or friends 2578 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:41,280 know we had a a fling I guess or friends 2579 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,190 know we had a a fling I guess or friends with benefits and maybe that 2580 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:45,200 with benefits and maybe that 2581 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,630 with benefits and maybe that in a way allowed her to confide in me. 2582 00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:48,640 in a way allowed her to confide in me. 2583 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,750 in a way allowed her to confide in me. Um I didn't feel super super close. I 2584 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:51,760 Um I didn't feel super super close. I 2585 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,829 Um I didn't feel super super close. I was a little bit surprised but I gave 2586 00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:53,839 was a little bit surprised but I gave 2587 00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:55,589 was a little bit surprised but I gave her advice which was the advice I was 2588 00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:55,599 her advice which was the advice I was 2589 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,750 her advice which was the advice I was giving myself in relation to her which 2590 00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:57,760 giving myself in relation to her which 2591 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,150 giving myself in relation to her which was you can't take care of someone until 2592 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:00,160 was you can't take care of someone until 2593 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,390 was you can't take care of someone until you take care of yourself. Now, we'll 2594 00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:02,400 you take care of yourself. Now, we'll 2595 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,150 you take care of yourself. Now, we'll come back to this because Emily's 2596 00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:04,160 come back to this because Emily's 2597 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,950 come back to this because Emily's breakup with Sorra is incredibly key to 2598 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:06,960 breakup with Sorra is incredibly key to 2599 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,069 breakup with Sorra is incredibly key to this entire story, depressingly for Soul 2600 00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:10,079 this entire story, depressingly for Soul 2601 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,710 this entire story, depressingly for Soul Rack, but I want to just highlight the 2602 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:12,720 Rack, but I want to just highlight the 2603 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,150 Rack, but I want to just highlight the fact that these two were clearly pretty 2604 00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:16,160 fact that these two were clearly pretty 2605 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,470 fact that these two were clearly pretty good friends at this point, right? In 2606 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:18,480 good friends at this point, right? In 2607 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,549 good friends at this point, right? In fact, through the middle of May, they'd 2608 00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:20,559 fact, through the middle of May, they'd 2609 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,470 fact, through the middle of May, they'd be discussing the conventions they were 2610 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:22,480 be discussing the conventions they were 2611 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,710 be discussing the conventions they were planning to go to. And interestingly 2612 00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:24,720 planning to go to. And interestingly 2613 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,150 planning to go to. And interestingly enough, Emily actually brings up EQLA, 2614 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:28,160 enough, Emily actually brings up EQLA, 2615 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,230 enough, Emily actually brings up EQLA, which as you'll remember is one of the 2616 00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:30,240 which as you'll remember is one of the 2617 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,390 which as you'll remember is one of the cons she claims Saber assaulted her at. 2618 00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:34,400 cons she claims Saber assaulted her at. 2619 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,910 cons she claims Saber assaulted her at. She doesn't describe it that way, 2620 00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:35,920 She doesn't describe it that way, 2621 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,630 She doesn't describe it that way, though, saying that EQLA was one of her 2622 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:38,640 though, saying that EQLA was one of her 2623 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,670 though, saying that EQLA was one of her favorites. Now, as the conversation 2624 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:41,680 favorites. Now, as the conversation 2625 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,870 favorites. Now, as the conversation moves on, we actually see that Sabre's 2626 00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:44,880 moves on, we actually see that Sabre's 2627 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,109 moves on, we actually see that Sabre's pretty comfortable in asking questions 2628 00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:47,119 pretty comfortable in asking questions 2629 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,470 pretty comfortable in asking questions about their friends with benefit 2630 00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:50,480 about their friends with benefit 2631 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,829 about their friends with benefit thing that they had. and Emily doesn't 2632 00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:53,839 thing that they had. and Emily doesn't 2633 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:56,710 thing that they had. and Emily doesn't seem to have any issues. It appears that 2634 00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:56,720 seem to have any issues. It appears that 2635 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,990 seem to have any issues. It appears that the mention of EQLA prompted Saber Spark 2636 00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:00,000 the mention of EQLA prompted Saber Spark 2637 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,990 the mention of EQLA prompted Saber Spark to ask some questions about their former 2638 00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:02,000 to ask some questions about their former 2639 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,710 to ask some questions about their former engagements. And he starts by asking 2640 00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:04,720 engagements. And he starts by asking 2641 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,549 engagements. And he starts by asking Emily whether she ever told anybody 2642 00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:06,559 Emily whether she ever told anybody 2643 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,190 Emily whether she ever told anybody about the hookups. Emily responds that 2644 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:09,200 about the hookups. Emily responds that 2645 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,950 about the hookups. Emily responds that while she never told anyone they had 2646 00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:10,960 while she never told anyone they had 2647 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,829 while she never told anyone they had sex, referring to it as their secret, 2648 00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:13,839 sex, referring to it as their secret, 2649 00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,309 sex, referring to it as their secret, she did tell Sandre and Soulra that 2650 00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:16,319 she did tell Sandre and Soulra that 2651 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,630 she did tell Sandre and Soulra that Saber Spark sort of messed with her 2652 00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:18,640 Saber Spark sort of messed with her 2653 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,349 Saber Spark sort of messed with her feelings. Once again, whether it is 5 2654 00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:21,359 feelings. Once again, whether it is 5 2655 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:22,790 feelings. Once again, whether it is 5 months after they stopped seeing each 2656 00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:22,800 months after they stopped seeing each 2657 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,510 months after they stopped seeing each other or 13 years later, she's still 2658 00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:25,520 other or 13 years later, she's still 2659 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,030 other or 13 years later, she's still talking about this with the same 2660 00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:27,040 talking about this with the same 2661 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,150 talking about this with the same language. Next, Sabark would ask her, 2662 00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:30,160 language. Next, Sabark would ask her, 2663 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,190 language. Next, Sabark would ask her, "So, was I good in bed or no?" And 2664 00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:33,200 "So, was I good in bed or no?" And 2665 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,670 "So, was I good in bed or no?" And interestingly, here Emily says, "I 2666 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:35,680 interestingly, here Emily says, "I 2667 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,870 interestingly, here Emily says, "I thought I already told you yes." Now, 2668 00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:38,880 thought I already told you yes." Now, 2669 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,470 thought I already told you yes." Now, look, at this point, we've all heard the 2670 00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:40,480 look, at this point, we've all heard the 2671 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,309 look, at this point, we've all heard the story and we all know that that's not 2672 00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:42,319 story and we all know that that's not 2673 00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:44,390 story and we all know that that's not true. But what's important about this 2674 00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:44,400 true. But what's important about this 2675 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,470 true. But what's important about this comment is the fact that Emily is 2676 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:46,480 comment is the fact that Emily is 2677 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,630 comment is the fact that Emily is alluding to previously having discussed 2678 00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:48,640 alluding to previously having discussed 2679 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,670 alluding to previously having discussed it with Saber Spark. And that shoots 2680 00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:51,680 it with Saber Spark. And that shoots 2681 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,150 it with Saber Spark. And that shoots another quite significant hole in her 2682 00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:54,160 another quite significant hole in her 2683 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,790 another quite significant hole in her narrative. Emily paints a picture of 2684 00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:56,800 narrative. Emily paints a picture of 2685 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,670 narrative. Emily paints a picture of distance to Saber Spark that their 2686 00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:59,680 distance to Saber Spark that their 2687 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,230 distance to Saber Spark that their engagements came as a surprise to her 2688 00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:02,240 engagements came as a surprise to her 2689 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,349 engagements came as a surprise to her and were not discussed afterwards. that 2690 00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:05,359 and were not discussed afterwards. that 2691 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:07,270 and were not discussed afterwards. that if she is here saying, "I've already 2692 00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:07,280 if she is here saying, "I've already 2693 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,349 if she is here saying, "I've already told you this," then that would 2694 00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:09,359 told you this," then that would 2695 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,750 told you this," then that would obviously indicate wider conversations 2696 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:11,760 obviously indicate wider conversations 2697 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,829 obviously indicate wider conversations about their friends with benefits 2698 00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:13,839 about their friends with benefits 2699 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,710 about their friends with benefits relationship. In a myriad of ways, this 2700 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:16,720 relationship. In a myriad of ways, this 2701 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,710 relationship. In a myriad of ways, this comment and the conversation both before 2702 00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:18,720 comment and the conversation both before 2703 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,510 comment and the conversation both before and after it validate Saber Spark's 2704 00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:21,520 and after it validate Saber Spark's 2705 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,390 and after it validate Saber Spark's testimony because despite Emily's claim 2706 00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:24,400 testimony because despite Emily's claim 2707 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,390 testimony because despite Emily's claim that she was disgusted by the whole 2708 00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:26,400 that she was disgusted by the whole 2709 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,109 that she was disgusted by the whole thing and had already gone off Saber, 2710 00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:29,119 thing and had already gone off Saber, 2711 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,710 thing and had already gone off Saber, this conversation is far from one-sided. 2712 00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:32,720 this conversation is far from one-sided. 2713 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,030 this conversation is far from one-sided. If, as Emily claims, she was disgusted 2714 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:35,040 If, as Emily claims, she was disgusted 2715 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,190 If, as Emily claims, she was disgusted and traumatized by her engagements with 2716 00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:37,200 and traumatized by her engagements with 2717 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,750 and traumatized by her engagements with Saber Spark, she certainly doesn't show 2718 00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:39,760 Saber Spark, she certainly doesn't show 2719 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,349 Saber Spark, she certainly doesn't show it here. The next part of the 2720 00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:41,359 it here. The next part of the 2721 00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,430 it here. The next part of the conversation involves Sabre asking about 2722 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:43,440 conversation involves Sabre asking about 2723 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,190 conversation involves Sabre asking about a guy named Eddie and whether they're an 2724 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:45,200 a guy named Eddie and whether they're an 2725 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,069 a guy named Eddie and whether they're an item. And after she says no, Sabre also 2726 00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:48,079 item. And after she says no, Sabre also 2727 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,230 item. And after she says no, Sabre also compliments one of her cosplays. But 2728 00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:50,240 compliments one of her cosplays. But 2729 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,390 compliments one of her cosplays. But what happens next is perhaps the most 2730 00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:52,400 what happens next is perhaps the most 2731 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,150 what happens next is perhaps the most interesting part. Now look, I'm happy to 2732 00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:56,160 interesting part. Now look, I'm happy to 2733 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,069 interesting part. Now look, I'm happy to accept the argument that maybe this was 2734 00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:58,079 accept the argument that maybe this was 2735 00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,990 accept the argument that maybe this was a deeply traumatizing conversation to 2736 00:52:59,990 --> 00:53:00,000 a deeply traumatizing conversation to 2737 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,829 a deeply traumatizing conversation to Emily and she was just unable to 2738 00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:01,839 Emily and she was just unable to 2739 00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,630 Emily and she was just unable to verbalize it to her quote unquote abuser 2740 00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:04,640 verbalize it to her quote unquote abuser 2741 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,630 verbalize it to her quote unquote abuser at the time. But what happens next is 2742 00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:08,640 at the time. But what happens next is 2743 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,030 at the time. But what happens next is much harder to defend because Emily 2744 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:11,040 much harder to defend because Emily 2745 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,470 much harder to defend because Emily messages Saber Spark at 10:00 at night 2746 00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:14,480 messages Saber Spark at 10:00 at night 2747 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,990 messages Saber Spark at 10:00 at night asking him to entertain her. This is the 2748 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:18,000 asking him to entertain her. This is the 2749 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,230 asking him to entertain her. This is the same day, by the way, so she can't have 2750 00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:20,240 same day, by the way, so she can't have 2751 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,390 same day, by the way, so she can't have been made that uncomfortable by that 2752 00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:22,400 been made that uncomfortable by that 2753 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,630 been made that uncomfortable by that conversation. What follows is a fairly 2754 00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:24,640 conversation. What follows is a fairly 2755 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,630 conversation. What follows is a fairly flirtatious little chat while they play 2756 00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:26,640 flirtatious little chat while they play 2757 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,950 flirtatious little chat while they play a game about guessing numbers. The 2758 00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:28,960 a game about guessing numbers. The 2759 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,069 a game about guessing numbers. The message after this is on the 17th where 2760 00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:32,079 message after this is on the 17th where 2761 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,790 message after this is on the 17th where she messages him at 3:30 in the morning 2762 00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:34,800 she messages him at 3:30 in the morning 2763 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,270 she messages him at 3:30 in the morning saying, "Sabre, I can't sleep." Even if 2764 00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:39,280 saying, "Sabre, I can't sleep." Even if 2765 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,549 saying, "Sabre, I can't sleep." Even if you don't want to call these 2766 00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:40,559 you don't want to call these 2767 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:42,790 you don't want to call these conversations flirtatious, this is 2768 00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:42,800 conversations flirtatious, this is 2769 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,109 conversations flirtatious, this is somebody that Emily claims that at the 2770 00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:45,119 somebody that Emily claims that at the 2771 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,470 somebody that Emily claims that at the time she recognized as her rapist, it 2772 00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:48,480 time she recognized as her rapist, it 2773 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,430 time she recognized as her rapist, it makes no sense for her to be messaging 2774 00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:51,440 makes no sense for her to be messaging 2775 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,030 makes no sense for her to be messaging him like this. 2776 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:53,040 him like this. 2777 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,710 him like this. And these messages don't even have 2778 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:54,720 And these messages don't even have 2779 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,190 And these messages don't even have responses. In fact, the last text 2780 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:57,200 responses. In fact, the last text 2781 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,430 responses. In fact, the last text message would be on June the 1st when 2782 00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:59,440 message would be on June the 1st when 2783 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,309 message would be on June the 1st when Emily asks, "What did I do this time?" 2784 00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:02,319 Emily asks, "What did I do this time?" 2785 00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,309 Emily asks, "What did I do this time?" Because, and I told you it would be a 2786 00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:04,319 Because, and I told you it would be a 2787 00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:07,430 Because, and I told you it would be a theme, Saber Spark unfollows her on 2788 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:07,440 theme, Saber Spark unfollows her on 2789 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,470 theme, Saber Spark unfollows her on Twitter. At this point, this video is 2790 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:10,480 Twitter. At this point, this video is 2791 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,309 Twitter. At this point, this video is basically complete. I'm just in the 2792 00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:12,319 basically complete. I'm just in the 2793 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,470 basically complete. I'm just in the final stages of editing a few things and 2794 00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:14,480 final stages of editing a few things and 2795 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,109 final stages of editing a few things and tidying stuff up. But, wouldn't you know 2796 00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:17,119 tidying stuff up. But, wouldn't you know 2797 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,829 tidying stuff up. But, wouldn't you know it, last night I ended up on a 2hour 2798 00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:19,839 it, last night I ended up on a 2hour 2799 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,630 it, last night I ended up on a 2hour call with Emily. This was largely off 2800 00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:22,640 call with Emily. This was largely off 2801 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,309 call with Emily. This was largely off the record except for a statement which 2802 00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:24,319 the record except for a statement which 2803 00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:26,630 the record except for a statement which we're going to go over in a second. That 2804 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:26,640 we're going to go over in a second. That 2805 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,870 we're going to go over in a second. That being said, I have gone backwards and 2806 00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:28,880 being said, I have gone backwards and 2807 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,549 being said, I have gone backwards and forwards asking myself whether that 2808 00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:30,559 forwards asking myself whether that 2809 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,030 forwards asking myself whether that conversation significantly moves any of 2810 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:33,040 conversation significantly moves any of 2811 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,230 conversation significantly moves any of my positions or analysis. And not 2812 00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:36,240 my positions or analysis. And not 2813 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,230 my positions or analysis. And not really. Part of the problem is that 2814 00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:38,240 really. Part of the problem is that 2815 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,069 really. Part of the problem is that intentionally or otherwise, knowingly or 2816 00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:40,079 intentionally or otherwise, knowingly or 2817 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,950 intentionally or otherwise, knowingly or not, Emily can be quite manipulative, 2818 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:42,960 not, Emily can be quite manipulative, 2819 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,870 not, Emily can be quite manipulative, making it very difficult for me to trust 2820 00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:44,880 making it very difficult for me to trust 2821 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,670 making it very difficult for me to trust her based purely on testimony. 2822 00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:47,680 her based purely on testimony. 2823 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,390 her based purely on testimony. However, I do think that the upcoming 2824 00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:50,400 However, I do think that the upcoming 2825 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,390 However, I do think that the upcoming section talking about Emily's wider 2826 00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:52,400 section talking about Emily's wider 2827 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,750 section talking about Emily's wider interactions with people when 2828 00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:53,760 interactions with people when 2829 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,950 interactions with people when discussing, say, traumatic events needs 2830 00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:56,960 discussing, say, traumatic events needs 2831 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,349 discussing, say, traumatic events needs a bit of reworking, even if the overall 2832 00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:59,359 a bit of reworking, even if the overall 2833 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,790 a bit of reworking, even if the overall findings and my overall position remains 2834 00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:02,800 findings and my overall position remains 2835 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,430 findings and my overall position remains consistent. This statement is a more 2836 00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:05,440 consistent. This statement is a more 2837 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,670 consistent. This statement is a more clarified version of a general part of 2838 00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:07,680 clarified version of a general part of 2839 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,510 clarified version of a general part of the conversation we had on our call with 2840 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:09,520 the conversation we had on our call with 2841 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,750 the conversation we had on our call with each other. And in reference to the 2842 00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:11,760 each other. And in reference to the 2843 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,829 each other. And in reference to the existence of these text messages and 2844 00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:13,839 existence of these text messages and 2845 00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:15,910 existence of these text messages and their contents, Emily states, 2846 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:15,920 their contents, Emily states, 2847 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,710 their contents, Emily states, "Peopleleasing is a strong unhealthy 2848 00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:18,720 "Peopleleasing is a strong unhealthy 2849 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,790 "Peopleleasing is a strong unhealthy habit I had engaged in for years, and 2850 00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:20,800 habit I had engaged in for years, and 2851 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,870 habit I had engaged in for years, and there were no exceptions to this, even 2852 00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:22,880 there were no exceptions to this, even 2853 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,630 there were no exceptions to this, even when it came to engaging with people who 2854 00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:24,640 when it came to engaging with people who 2855 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,670 when it came to engaging with people who have hurt me or put me in non-consensual 2856 00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:27,680 have hurt me or put me in non-consensual 2857 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,710 have hurt me or put me in non-consensual situations. While I felt and still feel 2858 00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:30,720 situations. While I felt and still feel 2859 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,470 situations. While I felt and still feel within my right to feel uncomfortable 2860 00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:32,480 within my right to feel uncomfortable 2861 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,270 within my right to feel uncomfortable with Saber's conduct in person, I did 2862 00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:35,280 with Saber's conduct in person, I did 2863 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,510 with Saber's conduct in person, I did not wish to make my discomfort known to 2864 00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:37,520 not wish to make my discomfort known to 2865 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,069 not wish to make my discomfort known to him and only at a later point express my 2866 00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:40,079 him and only at a later point express my 2867 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:41,750 him and only at a later point express my feelings towards having my emotions 2868 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:41,760 feelings towards having my emotions 2869 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,549 feelings towards having my emotions toyed with as that is a much easier 2870 00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:44,559 toyed with as that is a much easier 2871 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,549 toyed with as that is a much easier discussion to have over being open to 2872 00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:46,559 discussion to have over being open to 2873 00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,950 discussion to have over being open to him about my lack of consent in both 2874 00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:48,960 him about my lack of consent in both 2875 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,829 him about my lack of consent in both sexual occurrences. Telling people that 2876 00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:51,839 sexual occurrences. Telling people that 2877 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:54,470 sexual occurrences. Telling people that is not easy, which is why I pretended 2878 00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:54,480 is not easy, which is why I pretended 2879 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,270 is not easy, which is why I pretended that everything was fine. As I stated in 2880 00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:57,280 that everything was fine. As I stated in 2881 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,510 that everything was fine. As I stated in my testimony, I said what I could to 2882 00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:59,520 my testimony, I said what I could to 2883 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,510 my testimony, I said what I could to maintain this mindset that everything 2884 00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:01,520 maintain this mindset that everything 2885 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,829 maintain this mindset that everything was fine because I didn't want conflict 2886 00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:03,839 was fine because I didn't want conflict 2887 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,990 was fine because I didn't want conflict at the time because of my peopleleasing 2888 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:06,000 at the time because of my peopleleasing 2889 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,390 at the time because of my peopleleasing tendencies and fear of conflict with 2890 00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:08,400 tendencies and fear of conflict with 2891 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,109 tendencies and fear of conflict with him. Even in other sexual assault 2892 00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:11,119 him. Even in other sexual assault 2893 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,030 him. Even in other sexual assault encounters with others unrelated to 2894 00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:13,040 encounters with others unrelated to 2895 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,430 encounters with others unrelated to Sabre and the other party acknowledging 2896 00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:15,440 Sabre and the other party acknowledging 2897 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,069 Sabre and the other party acknowledging I didn't consent and how it was wrong, I 2898 00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:18,079 I didn't consent and how it was wrong, I 2899 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:19,750 I didn't consent and how it was wrong, I would still claim I was fine and that 2900 00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:19,760 would still claim I was fine and that 2901 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,430 would still claim I was fine and that the other party did nothing wrong 2902 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:21,440 the other party did nothing wrong 2903 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,510 the other party did nothing wrong because of how hard it was for me to 2904 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:23,520 because of how hard it was for me to 2905 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,910 because of how hard it was for me to confront the reality of being assaulted 2906 00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:25,920 confront the reality of being assaulted 2907 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,549 confront the reality of being assaulted and having to tell that person directly. 2908 00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:28,559 and having to tell that person directly. 2909 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,150 and having to tell that person directly. I reached out to him after being 2910 00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:30,160 I reached out to him after being 2911 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,910 I reached out to him after being unfollowed because of my anxiety 2912 00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:31,920 unfollowed because of my anxiety 2913 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,829 unfollowed because of my anxiety tendencies and worried that I did 2914 00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:33,839 tendencies and worried that I did 2915 00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:35,990 tendencies and worried that I did something wrong. Despite the fact that I 2916 00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:36,000 something wrong. Despite the fact that I 2917 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,710 something wrong. Despite the fact that I felt he had wronged me, I still pulled 2918 00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:38,720 felt he had wronged me, I still pulled 2919 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,549 felt he had wronged me, I still pulled away from him emotionally as time went 2920 00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:40,559 away from him emotionally as time went 2921 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,630 away from him emotionally as time went on and would later try to avoid him 2922 00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:42,640 on and would later try to avoid him 2923 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,789 on and would later try to avoid him altogether in person out of fear of 2924 00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:44,799 altogether in person out of fear of 2925 00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:46,789 altogether in person out of fear of another sexual encounter I would have to 2926 00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:46,799 another sexual encounter I would have to 2927 00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:49,430 another sexual encounter I would have to pretend was okay. Despite him 2928 00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:49,440 pretend was okay. Despite him 2929 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,589 pretend was okay. Despite him unfollowing me, he would still interact 2930 00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:51,599 unfollowing me, he would still interact 2931 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,750 unfollowing me, he would still interact with me at conventions briefly and 2932 00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:53,760 with me at conventions briefly and 2933 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,910 with me at conventions briefly and respectfully. This still caused me 2934 00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:55,920 respectfully. This still caused me 2935 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,309 respectfully. This still caused me anxiety. At no point were these sexual 2936 00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:58,319 anxiety. At no point were these sexual 2937 00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:00,549 anxiety. At no point were these sexual encounters planned or agreed upon. I 2938 00:57:00,549 --> 00:57:00,559 encounters planned or agreed upon. I 2939 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,789 encounters planned or agreed upon. I just acted like it was okay after the 2940 00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:02,799 just acted like it was okay after the 2941 00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:05,190 just acted like it was okay after the occurrence already happened. Both 2942 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:05,200 occurrence already happened. Both 2943 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,510 occurrence already happened. Both occasions happened extremely abruptly 2944 00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:07,520 occasions happened extremely abruptly 2945 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,750 occasions happened extremely abruptly and were very intense. I am still 2946 00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:09,760 and were very intense. I am still 2947 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,349 and were very intense. I am still working through the process of healing 2948 00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:11,359 working through the process of healing 2949 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:13,750 working through the process of healing and overall processing the trauma I have 2950 00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:13,760 and overall processing the trauma I have 2951 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,990 and overall processing the trauma I have endured with sexual assault abuse 2952 00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:16,000 endured with sexual assault abuse 2953 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,069 endured with sexual assault abuse overall as I have experienced it since 2954 00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:18,079 overall as I have experienced it since 2955 00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,829 overall as I have experienced it since childhood. I haven't really been 2956 00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:19,839 childhood. I haven't really been 2957 00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:21,349 childhood. I haven't really been equipped to deal with these things and 2958 00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:21,359 equipped to deal with these things and 2959 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:23,349 equipped to deal with these things and honestly I don't think anyone knows how 2960 00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:23,359 honestly I don't think anyone knows how 2961 00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,589 honestly I don't think anyone knows how to handle them entirely. I especially 2962 00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:25,599 to handle them entirely. I especially 2963 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,349 to handle them entirely. I especially have a difficult relationship with this 2964 00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:27,359 have a difficult relationship with this 2965 00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:29,349 have a difficult relationship with this and am beginning the process of working 2966 00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:29,359 and am beginning the process of working 2967 00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:30,789 and am beginning the process of working through these things along with 2968 00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:30,799 through these things along with 2969 00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:33,109 through these things along with unlearning habits I learned as a child 2970 00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:33,119 unlearning habits I learned as a child 2971 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,670 unlearning habits I learned as a child like fing in order to survive. My 2972 00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:35,680 like fing in order to survive. My 2973 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,109 like fing in order to survive. My recollection of the two sexual 2974 00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:37,119 recollection of the two sexual 2975 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,430 recollection of the two sexual occurrences still stand as it's hard to 2976 00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:39,440 occurrences still stand as it's hard to 2977 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,750 occurrences still stand as it's hard to forget them especially the occurrence in 2978 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:41,760 forget them especially the occurrence in 2979 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,829 forget them especially the occurrence in the elevator. Now that we have this 2980 00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:43,839 the elevator. Now that we have this 2981 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,829 the elevator. Now that we have this statement, the question I have to ask is 2982 00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:45,839 statement, the question I have to ask is 2983 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,349 statement, the question I have to ask is does it really address the text 2984 00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:47,359 does it really address the text 2985 00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:49,270 does it really address the text messages? And I should be clear that I 2986 00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:49,280 messages? And I should be clear that I 2987 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,510 messages? And I should be clear that I didn't show Emily the text messages, 2988 00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:51,520 didn't show Emily the text messages, 2989 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,510 didn't show Emily the text messages, though we did discuss them at length, 2990 00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:53,520 though we did discuss them at length, 2991 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,150 though we did discuss them at length, including their contents. If I'm being 2992 00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:56,160 including their contents. If I'm being 2993 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,549 including their contents. If I'm being completely honest with myself and with 2994 00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:58,559 completely honest with myself and with 2995 00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,750 completely honest with myself and with you, I don't really think so. Emily 2996 00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:01,760 you, I don't really think so. Emily 2997 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,069 you, I don't really think so. Emily saying that she is a people pleaser is 2998 00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:04,079 saying that she is a people pleaser is 2999 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:05,910 saying that she is a people pleaser is one thing, and to be clear, having 3000 00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:05,920 one thing, and to be clear, having 3001 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,829 one thing, and to be clear, having spoken to her, I do think there is 3002 00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:07,839 spoken to her, I do think there is 3003 00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:10,309 spoken to her, I do think there is probably some truth to that statement. 3004 00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:10,319 probably some truth to that statement. 3005 00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,069 probably some truth to that statement. But we have to consider this against the 3006 00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:12,079 But we have to consider this against the 3007 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,829 But we have to consider this against the fact that she was going to Saber Spark 3008 00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:13,839 fact that she was going to Saber Spark 3009 00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:17,030 fact that she was going to Saber Spark for relationship advice. And if Emily is 3010 00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:17,040 for relationship advice. And if Emily is 3011 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,030 for relationship advice. And if Emily is claiming that any and all interactions 3012 00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:19,040 claiming that any and all interactions 3013 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,549 claiming that any and all interactions with Saber Spark were causing her 3014 00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:20,559 with Saber Spark were causing her 3015 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,109 with Saber Spark were causing her anxiety, including the ones where he was 3016 00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:23,119 anxiety, including the ones where he was 3017 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,589 anxiety, including the ones where he was respectful, I have to question why she 3018 00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:25,599 respectful, I have to question why she 3019 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,589 respectful, I have to question why she was messaging him at 3:30 in the 3020 00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:27,599 was messaging him at 3:30 in the 3021 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,910 was messaging him at 3:30 in the morning. There is also a clear 3022 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:29,920 morning. There is also a clear 3023 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,829 morning. There is also a clear inconsistency here with the fact that 3024 00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:31,839 inconsistency here with the fact that 3025 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:34,309 inconsistency here with the fact that Emily is still stating she was pulling 3026 00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:34,319 Emily is still stating she was pulling 3027 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:37,109 Emily is still stating she was pulling away from Sabre, but again, it's Sabre 3028 00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:37,119 away from Sabre, but again, it's Sabre 3029 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,870 away from Sabre, but again, it's Sabre clearly in the messages pulling away 3030 00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:38,880 clearly in the messages pulling away 3031 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,950 clearly in the messages pulling away from her. So, I don't understand why 3032 00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:40,960 from her. So, I don't understand why 3033 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,589 from her. So, I don't understand why she'd try and rekindle or reinvigorate 3034 00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:43,599 she'd try and rekindle or reinvigorate 3035 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,309 she'd try and rekindle or reinvigorate that relationship if her intention is 3036 00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:46,319 that relationship if her intention is 3037 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:49,430 that relationship if her intention is distance. This statement may also create 3038 00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:49,440 distance. This statement may also create 3039 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,829 distance. This statement may also create another unexpected issue when trusting 3040 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:51,839 another unexpected issue when trusting 3041 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:54,630 another unexpected issue when trusting Emily's testimony. Her statement that 3042 00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:54,640 Emily's testimony. Her statement that 3043 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,789 Emily's testimony. Her statement that she did not wish to make her discomfort 3044 00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:56,799 she did not wish to make her discomfort 3045 00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:00,150 she did not wish to make her discomfort known to Saber Spark may on some level 3046 00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:00,160 known to Saber Spark may on some level 3047 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,630 known to Saber Spark may on some level indicate that if she was uncomfortable 3048 00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:02,640 indicate that if she was uncomfortable 3049 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,190 indicate that if she was uncomfortable at the time, he would have no way to 3050 00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:05,200 at the time, he would have no way to 3051 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,430 at the time, he would have no way to know this, especially considering the 3052 00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:07,440 know this, especially considering the 3053 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,270 know this, especially considering the fact that if this statement is to be 3054 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:09,280 fact that if this statement is to be 3055 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,109 fact that if this statement is to be believed, then regardless of what 3056 00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:11,119 believed, then regardless of what 3057 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,430 believed, then regardless of what occurred between them, Emily would have 3058 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:13,440 occurred between them, Emily would have 3059 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,150 occurred between them, Emily would have positively affirmed him afterwards. It 3060 00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:16,160 positively affirmed him afterwards. It 3061 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,910 positively affirmed him afterwards. It also brings up the question of when that 3062 00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:17,920 also brings up the question of when that 3063 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,190 also brings up the question of when that affirmation or peopleleasing kicked in 3064 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:21,200 affirmation or peopleleasing kicked in 3065 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,270 affirmation or peopleleasing kicked in because Saber Spark's testimony is that 3066 00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:23,280 because Saber Spark's testimony is that 3067 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,910 because Saber Spark's testimony is that both of these were consensual and mutual 3068 00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:25,920 both of these were consensual and mutual 3069 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,950 both of these were consensual and mutual hookups. If Emily is the sort of person 3070 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:28,960 hookups. If Emily is the sort of person 3071 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,109 hookups. If Emily is the sort of person who will put herself in positions where 3072 00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:31,119 who will put herself in positions where 3073 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,349 who will put herself in positions where she is uncomfortable just to make 3074 00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:33,359 she is uncomfortable just to make 3075 00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:35,670 she is uncomfortable just to make another person happy, this leaves open 3076 00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:35,680 another person happy, this leaves open 3077 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,069 another person happy, this leaves open the very real possibility that Sabre was 3078 00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:38,079 the very real possibility that Sabre was 3079 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,710 the very real possibility that Sabre was seeking consent in these interactions, 3080 00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:40,720 seeking consent in these interactions, 3081 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,549 seeking consent in these interactions, which Emily may have reacted to 3082 00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:42,559 which Emily may have reacted to 3083 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,030 which Emily may have reacted to positively despite her own personal 3084 00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:45,040 positively despite her own personal 3085 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,750 positively despite her own personal feelings. This is of course me theory 3086 00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:47,760 feelings. This is of course me theory 3087 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,750 feelings. This is of course me theory crafting. Once again, I wasn't in the 3088 00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:49,760 crafting. Once again, I wasn't in the 3089 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,549 crafting. Once again, I wasn't in the room and can never be sure either way, 3090 00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:52,559 room and can never be sure either way, 3091 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,789 room and can never be sure either way, but I am at this point just trying to be 3092 00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:54,799 but I am at this point just trying to be 3093 00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,750 but I am at this point just trying to be charitable because if Sabre is innocent, 3094 00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:57,760 charitable because if Sabre is innocent, 3095 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,510 charitable because if Sabre is innocent, these allegations having their origin 3096 00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:59,520 these allegations having their origin 3097 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,870 these allegations having their origin point rooted not in malice, but rather 3098 01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:02,880 point rooted not in malice, but rather 3099 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,109 point rooted not in malice, but rather in Emily's inability to effectively 3100 01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:05,119 in Emily's inability to effectively 3101 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,630 in Emily's inability to effectively communicate her feelings to the people 3102 01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:06,640 communicate her feelings to the people 3103 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,349 communicate her feelings to the people she's engaging with is certainly a much 3104 01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:09,359 she's engaging with is certainly a much 3105 01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,510 she's engaging with is certainly a much kinder picture to paint of her and her 3106 01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:11,520 kinder picture to paint of her and her 3107 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,069 kinder picture to paint of her and her actions. Though, I do want to make one 3108 01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:14,079 actions. Though, I do want to make one 3109 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,309 actions. Though, I do want to make one thing clear before we move on from this 3110 01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:16,319 thing clear before we move on from this 3111 01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:18,470 thing clear before we move on from this section because it is relevant to what's 3112 01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:18,480 section because it is relevant to what's 3113 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,109 section because it is relevant to what's coming up next. You'll notice the use of 3114 01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:21,119 coming up next. You'll notice the use of 3115 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,030 coming up next. You'll notice the use of the word malice. And I'll remind you 3116 01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:23,040 the word malice. And I'll remind you 3117 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,710 the word malice. And I'll remind you again that this section is being 3118 01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:24,720 again that this section is being 3119 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,710 again that this section is being recorded when the rest of the video is 3120 01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:26,720 recorded when the rest of the video is 3121 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,030 recorded when the rest of the video is already basically complete. Because 3122 01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:29,040 already basically complete. Because 3123 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,510 already basically complete. Because while Emily's original feelings in these 3124 01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:31,520 while Emily's original feelings in these 3125 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,750 while Emily's original feelings in these interactions can only really be known to 3126 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:33,760 interactions can only really be known to 3127 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,710 interactions can only really be known to her, the evidence does heavily indicate 3128 01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:36,720 her, the evidence does heavily indicate 3129 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,390 her, the evidence does heavily indicate that she has weaponized these 3130 01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:38,400 that she has weaponized these 3131 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,470 that she has weaponized these allegations against Saber Spark over 3132 01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:40,480 allegations against Saber Spark over 3133 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,270 allegations against Saber Spark over time. and this statement from Emily does 3134 01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:43,280 time. and this statement from Emily does 3135 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,589 time. and this statement from Emily does not account for those actions. Now we've 3136 01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:45,599 not account for those actions. Now we've 3137 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:47,910 not account for those actions. Now we've perused these text messages and heard 3138 01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:47,920 perused these text messages and heard 3139 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,750 perused these text messages and heard Emily's statement, we can get back to 3140 01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:49,760 Emily's statement, we can get back to 3141 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,589 Emily's statement, we can get back to looking into the origins of these 3142 01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:51,599 looking into the origins of these 3143 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,990 looking into the origins of these accusations because that is a key 3144 01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:54,000 accusations because that is a key 3145 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,870 accusations because that is a key question. When and why Emily began 3146 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:56,880 question. When and why Emily began 3147 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,190 question. When and why Emily began making the accusation is key to 3148 01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:59,200 making the accusation is key to 3149 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,150 making the accusation is key to understanding well other mitigating 3150 01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:02,160 understanding well other mitigating 3151 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,309 understanding well other mitigating factors which draw into question the 3152 01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:04,319 factors which draw into question the 3153 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,950 factors which draw into question the validity of the claim. The first time I 3154 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:06,960 validity of the claim. The first time I 3155 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,270 validity of the claim. The first time I can verify that these allegations were 3156 01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:09,280 can verify that these allegations were 3157 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,589 can verify that these allegations were made to anybody would have been at some 3158 01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:11,599 made to anybody would have been at some 3159 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:14,710 made to anybody would have been at some point in early 2013. And I know what 3160 01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:14,720 point in early 2013. And I know what 3161 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,950 point in early 2013. And I know what you're thinking, Becket. If these 3162 01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:16,960 you're thinking, Becket. If these 3163 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,109 you're thinking, Becket. If these allegations were being made so early, 3164 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:19,119 allegations were being made so early, 3165 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,670 allegations were being made so early, does that not lend some credence to the 3166 01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:21,680 does that not lend some credence to the 3167 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,789 does that not lend some credence to the claim? And unfortunately, no, not 3168 01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:24,799 claim? And unfortunately, no, not 3169 01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:27,750 claim? And unfortunately, no, not really. Emily's relationship with Sorra 3170 01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:27,760 really. Emily's relationship with Sorra 3171 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,069 really. Emily's relationship with Sorra is not straightforward. Now, I have 3172 01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:30,079 is not straightforward. Now, I have 3173 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,710 is not straightforward. Now, I have heard multiple versions of how these 3174 01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:32,720 heard multiple versions of how these 3175 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,270 heard multiple versions of how these allegations were first told to him, but 3176 01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:35,280 allegations were first told to him, but 3177 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,589 allegations were first told to him, but because at least one of those versions 3178 01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:37,599 because at least one of those versions 3179 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,870 because at least one of those versions is not on the record, I can't even begin 3180 01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:40,880 is not on the record, I can't even begin 3181 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,510 is not on the record, I can't even begin to discuss it with you. What I will say 3182 01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:43,520 to discuss it with you. What I will say 3183 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,470 to discuss it with you. What I will say though is if that version is the truth, 3184 01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:46,480 though is if that version is the truth, 3185 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,030 though is if that version is the truth, in my opinion, I don't think it changes 3186 01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:49,040 in my opinion, I don't think it changes 3187 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,069 in my opinion, I don't think it changes things very much. That said, the body of 3188 01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:52,079 things very much. That said, the body of 3189 01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:54,309 things very much. That said, the body of evidence indicates that Sorra would be 3190 01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:54,319 evidence indicates that Sorra would be 3191 01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:57,910 evidence indicates that Sorra would be told sometime around April or May 2013 3192 01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:57,920 told sometime around April or May 2013 3193 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,510 told sometime around April or May 2013 in an attempt to salvage the 3194 01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:59,520 in an attempt to salvage the 3195 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,470 in an attempt to salvage the relationship. Sra has gone on the record 3196 01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:02,480 relationship. Sra has gone on the record 3197 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,309 relationship. Sra has gone on the record to say that while he was attempting to 3198 01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:04,319 to say that while he was attempting to 3199 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,630 to say that while he was attempting to break up with Emily, she did not take 3200 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:06,640 break up with Emily, she did not take 3201 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,870 break up with Emily, she did not take this particularly well. At one point 3202 01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:08,880 this particularly well. At one point 3203 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,030 this particularly well. At one point threatening to kill herself if he 3204 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:11,040 threatening to kill herself if he 3205 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,430 threatening to kill herself if he attempted to leave her. For this reason, 3206 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:13,440 attempted to leave her. For this reason, 3207 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,910 attempted to leave her. For this reason, if the allegations were told to him at 3208 01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:15,920 if the allegations were told to him at 3209 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,549 if the allegations were told to him at this time, it is completely reasonable 3210 01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:18,559 this time, it is completely reasonable 3211 01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:20,950 this time, it is completely reasonable to read that action as a play for 3212 01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:20,960 to read that action as a play for 3213 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,910 to read that action as a play for sympathy. Additionally, due to Emily's 3214 01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:23,920 sympathy. Additionally, due to Emily's 3215 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,630 sympathy. Additionally, due to Emily's history, it's just not that much of a 3216 01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:26,640 history, it's just not that much of a 3217 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,190 history, it's just not that much of a stretch to read these accusations being 3218 01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:29,200 stretch to read these accusations being 3219 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,230 stretch to read these accusations being utilized in that way. Originally, this 3220 01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:32,240 utilized in that way. Originally, this 3221 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,390 utilized in that way. Originally, this section heavily involved digging into 3222 01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:34,400 section heavily involved digging into 3223 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,030 section heavily involved digging into Emily's history and patterns of behavior 3224 01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:37,040 Emily's history and patterns of behavior 3225 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,510 Emily's history and patterns of behavior to help paint that wider picture. 3226 01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:39,520 to help paint that wider picture. 3227 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,829 to help paint that wider picture. However, for a couple of reasons, 3228 01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:41,839 However, for a couple of reasons, 3229 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:43,670 However, for a couple of reasons, largely because of the conversation I 3230 01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:43,680 largely because of the conversation I 3231 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,150 largely because of the conversation I had with Emily, I have decided to just 3232 01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:46,160 had with Emily, I have decided to just 3233 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,510 had with Emily, I have decided to just omit that analysis. So rather, I will 3234 01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:49,520 omit that analysis. So rather, I will 3235 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,150 omit that analysis. So rather, I will leave the topic of Sorra being informed 3236 01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:52,160 leave the topic of Sorra being informed 3237 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,750 leave the topic of Sorra being informed on this single note. If Emily did tell 3238 01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:55,760 on this single note. If Emily did tell 3239 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,710 on this single note. If Emily did tell him at this time, regardless of the 3240 01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:58,720 him at this time, regardless of the 3241 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,829 him at this time, regardless of the context, the timeline here is damning 3242 01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:01,839 context, the timeline here is damning 3243 01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,589 context, the timeline here is damning because it would mean that Emily was 3244 01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:03,599 because it would mean that Emily was 3245 01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,910 because it would mean that Emily was telling Soulra that Saber Spark was 3246 01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:05,920 telling Soulra that Saber Spark was 3247 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,470 telling Soulra that Saber Spark was abusive at the same time as actively 3248 01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:08,480 abusive at the same time as actively 3249 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,030 abusive at the same time as actively engaging with Saber Spark and from the 3250 01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:11,040 engaging with Saber Spark and from the 3251 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,990 engaging with Saber Spark and from the messages seemingly flirting with him. 3252 01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:14,000 messages seemingly flirting with him. 3253 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,750 messages seemingly flirting with him. Finally though, there have been claims 3254 01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:15,760 Finally though, there have been claims 3255 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,349 Finally though, there have been claims made that Saber Spark would be 3256 01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:17,359 made that Saber Spark would be 3257 01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:19,750 made that Saber Spark would be confronted by Sorrack at a convention in 3258 01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:19,760 confronted by Sorrack at a convention in 3259 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,470 confronted by Sorrack at a convention in 2015 on this topic. 3260 01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:22,480 2015 on this topic. 3261 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,549 2015 on this topic. Was there anything that they particular 3262 01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:24,559 Was there anything that they particular 3263 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,630 Was there anything that they particular without revealing too much, was there 3264 01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:26,640 without revealing too much, was there 3265 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,789 without revealing too much, was there anything that they said when they told 3266 01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:28,799 anything that they said when they told 3267 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:31,270 anything that they said when they told you this story that made you be like, 3268 01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:31,280 you this story that made you be like, 3269 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,950 you this story that made you be like, "Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the 3270 01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:32,960 "Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the 3271 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,870 "Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the truth." Or, 3272 01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:34,880 truth." Or, 3273 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,190 truth." Or, um, there's a lot of things that make me 3274 01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:39,200 um, there's a lot of things that make me 3275 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,510 um, there's a lot of things that make me feel like they are telling the truth. 3276 01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:41,520 feel like they are telling the truth. 3277 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,470 feel like they are telling the truth. Um, I think we discussed this before, 3278 01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:44,480 Um, I think we discussed this before, 3279 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,430 Um, I think we discussed this before, but I had even heard I forgot, but I had 3280 01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:47,440 but I had even heard I forgot, but I had 3281 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,589 but I had even heard I forgot, but I had heard whispers of a conflict between 3282 01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:49,599 heard whispers of a conflict between 3283 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:53,829 heard whispers of a conflict between Saber and um, their partner over time 3284 01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:53,839 Saber and um, their partner over time 3285 01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:58,710 Saber and um, their partner over time um, at the time over this. So, um, but I 3286 01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:58,720 um, at the time over this. So, um, but I 3287 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,870 um, at the time over this. So, um, but I didn't remember the context. I wasn't 3288 01:04:00,870 --> 01:04:00,880 didn't remember the context. I wasn't 3289 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,150 didn't remember the context. I wasn't really I didn't know who they were at 3290 01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:04,160 really I didn't know who they were at 3291 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,069 really I didn't know who they were at all. Um, so I don't I we've I've never 3292 01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:08,079 all. Um, so I don't I we've I've never 3293 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:11,270 all. Um, so I don't I we've I've never met them in person to my recollection. 3294 01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:11,280 met them in person to my recollection. 3295 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,789 met them in person to my recollection. Um, 3296 01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:12,799 Um, 3297 01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:16,230 Um, but so when they came and they told the 3298 01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:16,240 but so when they came and they told the 3299 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,910 but so when they came and they told the story, I was like, "Oh, yeah. I vaguely 3300 01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:17,920 story, I was like, "Oh, yeah. I vaguely 3301 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,230 story, I was like, "Oh, yeah. I vaguely remember hearing something like this." 3302 01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:20,240 remember hearing something like this." 3303 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,549 remember hearing something like this." But this doesn't actually appear to be 3304 01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:22,559 But this doesn't actually appear to be 3305 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,349 But this doesn't actually appear to be true. Both Sorak and Saber Spark deny 3306 01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:25,359 true. Both Sorak and Saber Spark deny 3307 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:27,990 true. Both Sorak and Saber Spark deny this ever occurred. And let's be honest, 3308 01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:28,000 this ever occurred. And let's be honest, 3309 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,789 this ever occurred. And let's be honest, I don't really trust KP as a reliable 3310 01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:30,799 I don't really trust KP as a reliable 3311 01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:33,910 I don't really trust KP as a reliable source. And speaking of reliable 3312 01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:33,920 source. And speaking of reliable 3313 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,990 source. And speaking of reliable sources, you may remember that somebody 3314 01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:36,000 sources, you may remember that somebody 3315 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,549 sources, you may remember that somebody by the name of Jessa came out to defend 3316 01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:38,559 by the name of Jessa came out to defend 3317 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,750 by the name of Jessa came out to defend the allegations back in May. Jessa goes 3318 01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:41,760 the allegations back in May. Jessa goes 3319 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,990 the allegations back in May. Jessa goes on to state that the details have not 3320 01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:44,000 on to state that the details have not 3321 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,670 on to state that the details have not changed in 12 years. This is, of course, 3322 01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:47,680 changed in 12 years. This is, of course, 3323 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,910 changed in 12 years. This is, of course, an absurd statement to make. I don't 3324 01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:49,920 an absurd statement to make. I don't 3325 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,990 an absurd statement to make. I don't know about you, but I can't accurately 3326 01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:52,000 know about you, but I can't accurately 3327 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,390 know about you, but I can't accurately remember what happened to me over a 3328 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:54,400 remember what happened to me over a 3329 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,510 remember what happened to me over a decade ago, let alone random stories I 3330 01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:57,520 decade ago, let alone random stories I 3331 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,990 decade ago, let alone random stories I was told. Perhaps so I'm being unfair to 3332 01:04:59,990 --> 01:05:00,000 was told. Perhaps so I'm being unfair to 3333 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,549 was told. Perhaps so I'm being unfair to Jess and she is some kind of incredibly 3334 01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:02,559 Jess and she is some kind of incredibly 3335 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:04,710 Jess and she is some kind of incredibly unique godchild with perfect 3336 01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:04,720 unique godchild with perfect 3337 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,750 unique godchild with perfect recollection of events. Even if that is 3338 01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:07,760 recollection of events. Even if that is 3339 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,990 recollection of events. Even if that is the case, then it presents another 3340 01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:10,000 the case, then it presents another 3341 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,950 the case, then it presents another problem. Because if the testimony has 3342 01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:12,960 problem. Because if the testimony has 3343 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,029 problem. Because if the testimony has not changed at all in 12 years, if this 3344 01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:15,039 not changed at all in 12 years, if this 3345 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,349 not changed at all in 12 years, if this is completely consistent, it would mean 3346 01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:17,359 is completely consistent, it would mean 3347 01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:19,270 is completely consistent, it would mean that Emily at the time was telling 3348 01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:19,280 that Emily at the time was telling 3349 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,589 that Emily at the time was telling people she had cut contact with Saber 3350 01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:21,599 people she had cut contact with Saber 3351 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:23,910 people she had cut contact with Saber Spark and pulled away from him, which 3352 01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:23,920 Spark and pulled away from him, which 3353 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,230 Spark and pulled away from him, which would be a lie she would be knowingly 3354 01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:26,240 would be a lie she would be knowingly 3355 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,109 would be a lie she would be knowingly telling people. It seems far more likely 3356 01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:29,119 telling people. It seems far more likely 3357 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,430 telling people. It seems far more likely though that this story has morphed and 3358 01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:31,440 though that this story has morphed and 3359 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,829 though that this story has morphed and claims that it's remained consistent are 3360 01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:33,839 claims that it's remained consistent are 3361 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:36,630 claims that it's remained consistent are frankly very difficult to believe. 3362 01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:36,640 frankly very difficult to believe. 3363 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,950 frankly very difficult to believe. Fortunately, I can show to you that 3364 01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:38,960 Fortunately, I can show to you that 3365 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,430 Fortunately, I can show to you that Jessa isn't just lying that she was 3366 01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:41,440 Jessa isn't just lying that she was 3367 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,150 Jessa isn't just lying that she was informed about this accusation. Sadly, 3368 01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:44,160 informed about this accusation. Sadly, 3369 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,309 informed about this accusation. Sadly, the wider context provided by that 3370 01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:46,319 the wider context provided by that 3371 01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:48,390 the wider context provided by that evidence changes this from something 3372 01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:48,400 evidence changes this from something 3373 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,230 evidence changes this from something that could be potentially vindicating 3374 01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:50,240 that could be potentially vindicating 3375 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,950 that could be potentially vindicating for Emily to something that's pretty 3376 01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:52,960 for Emily to something that's pretty 3377 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,150 for Emily to something that's pretty damning all things considered. So, let 3378 01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:56,160 damning all things considered. So, let 3379 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,150 damning all things considered. So, let me walk you through this because when I 3380 01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:58,160 me walk you through this because when I 3381 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,190 me walk you through this because when I pieced this together, I honestly lost my 3382 01:06:01,190 --> 01:06:01,200 pieced this together, I honestly lost my 3383 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,150 pieced this together, I honestly lost my [\h__\h] mind. This all took place at 3384 01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:04,160 [\h__\h] mind. This all took place at 3385 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,549 [\h__\h] mind. This all took place at Cutie Mark Con in Ohio, which ran from 3386 01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:06,559 Cutie Mark Con in Ohio, which ran from 3387 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,230 Cutie Mark Con in Ohio, which ran from the 31st of May to the 2nd of June. And 3388 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:10,240 the 31st of May to the 2nd of June. And 3389 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,470 the 31st of May to the 2nd of June. And Emily would talk about this with Lazy 3390 01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:12,480 Emily would talk about this with Lazy 3391 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,069 Emily would talk about this with Lazy Bed Head over DMs. She says, "Around 3392 01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:16,079 Bed Head over DMs. She says, "Around 3393 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:18,710 Bed Head over DMs. She says, "Around 2:00 a.m. I told them what happened, 3394 01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:18,720 2:00 a.m. I told them what happened, 3395 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,750 2:00 a.m. I told them what happened, which is, I'll be clear, a crazy 3396 01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:21,760 which is, I'll be clear, a crazy 3397 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,109 which is, I'll be clear, a crazy specific time to remember Emily. But I 3398 01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:25,119 specific time to remember Emily. But I 3399 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,349 specific time to remember Emily. But I completely believe her. In fact, I can 3400 01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:27,359 completely believe her. In fact, I can 3401 01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:30,150 completely believe her. In fact, I can evidence it to you because if we go back 3402 01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:30,160 evidence it to you because if we go back 3403 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,789 evidence it to you because if we go back to the final message Emily sent to Saber 3404 01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:32,799 to the final message Emily sent to Saber 3405 01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:34,549 to the final message Emily sent to Saber Spark after he unfollowed her on 3406 01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:34,559 Spark after he unfollowed her on 3407 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,750 Spark after he unfollowed her on Twitter, the timestamp is 1:45 a.m., 3408 01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:39,760 Twitter, the timestamp is 1:45 a.m., 3409 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,829 Twitter, the timestamp is 1:45 a.m., which indicates that the actual series 3410 01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:41,839 which indicates that the actual series 3411 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:44,549 which indicates that the actual series of events that took place were Emily 3412 01:06:44,549 --> 01:06:44,559 of events that took place were Emily 3413 01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,069 of events that took place were Emily notices in the early hours of the 3414 01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:46,079 notices in the early hours of the 3415 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:47,910 notices in the early hours of the morning that Saberspark has unfollowed 3416 01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:47,920 morning that Saberspark has unfollowed 3417 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,789 morning that Saberspark has unfollowed her on Twitter. In response to this, she 3418 01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:50,799 her on Twitter. In response to this, she 3419 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:53,029 her on Twitter. In response to this, she DMs him demanding some form of 3420 01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:53,039 DMs him demanding some form of 3421 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,750 DMs him demanding some form of explanation. When she doesn't receive a 3422 01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:55,760 explanation. When she doesn't receive a 3423 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,069 explanation. When she doesn't receive a message back, she then turns to the room 3424 01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:58,079 message back, she then turns to the room 3425 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,870 message back, she then turns to the room and in some kind of potential blind rage 3426 01:07:00,870 --> 01:07:00,880 and in some kind of potential blind rage 3427 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,589 and in some kind of potential blind rage at this rejection, announces to everyone 3428 01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:03,599 at this rejection, announces to everyone 3429 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:06,390 at this rejection, announces to everyone that Saber Spark is a rapist. And this 3430 01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:06,400 that Saber Spark is a rapist. And this 3431 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,270 that Saber Spark is a rapist. And this is why Jess's testimony of being told 3432 01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:09,280 is why Jess's testimony of being told 3433 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,750 is why Jess's testimony of being told isn't really a defense. Because the 3434 01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:11,760 isn't really a defense. Because the 3435 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,390 isn't really a defense. Because the reason Emily told Jesser and the other 3436 01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:14,400 reason Emily told Jesser and the other 3437 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,630 reason Emily told Jesser and the other people in that room is because she was 3438 01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:16,640 people in that room is because she was 3439 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,789 people in that room is because she was angry at Saber Spark for distancing 3440 01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:18,799 angry at Saber Spark for distancing 3441 01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:21,190 angry at Saber Spark for distancing himself from her, not in an honest 3442 01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:21,200 himself from her, not in an honest 3443 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,270 himself from her, not in an honest moment of vulnerability. 3444 01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:23,280 moment of vulnerability. 3445 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,069 moment of vulnerability. If we needed further evidence that Emily 3446 01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:26,079 If we needed further evidence that Emily 3447 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,870 If we needed further evidence that Emily will utilize these accusations in 3448 01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:28,880 will utilize these accusations in 3449 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,990 will utilize these accusations in moments of petty resentment, this is it. 3450 01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:32,000 moments of petty resentment, this is it. 3451 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,390 moments of petty resentment, this is it. Aside from everything else, that feeling 3452 01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:34,400 Aside from everything else, that feeling 3453 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,870 Aside from everything else, that feeling of scorn is so ingrained in her 3454 01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:36,880 of scorn is so ingrained in her 3455 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,829 of scorn is so ingrained in her apparently that she can remember the 3456 01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:39,839 apparently that she can remember the 3457 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,990 apparently that she can remember the exact hour over a decade later. The 3458 01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:44,000 exact hour over a decade later. The 3459 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,710 exact hour over a decade later. The current iteration of these accusations 3460 01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:46,720 current iteration of these accusations 3461 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,710 current iteration of these accusations are no exception to this pattern of 3462 01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:48,720 are no exception to this pattern of 3463 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,750 are no exception to this pattern of weaponization by Emily. every time she's 3464 01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:51,760 weaponization by Emily. every time she's 3465 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,990 weaponization by Emily. every time she's slightly annoyed at Saber Spark. And I 3466 01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:54,000 slightly annoyed at Saber Spark. And I 3467 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,549 slightly annoyed at Saber Spark. And I know this is true because Emily tells us 3468 01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:56,559 know this is true because Emily tells us 3469 01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:59,270 know this is true because Emily tells us this in her interview with Mr. Enter. 3470 01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:59,280 this in her interview with Mr. Enter. 3471 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,950 this in her interview with Mr. Enter. Her reasons for coming forward are not 3472 01:08:00,950 --> 01:08:00,960 Her reasons for coming forward are not 3473 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,950 Her reasons for coming forward are not to get some kind of justice. They're 3474 01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:02,960 to get some kind of justice. They're 3475 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,029 to get some kind of justice. They're because she is annoyed at Saber Spark 3476 01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:05,039 because she is annoyed at Saber Spark 3477 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,309 because she is annoyed at Saber Spark because of the Black Griffin drama. I 3478 01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:08,319 because of the Black Griffin drama. I 3479 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,069 because of the Black Griffin drama. I know we're all super shocked that it 3480 01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:10,079 know we're all super shocked that it 3481 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,829 know we're all super shocked that it links back to that. I can hear you in 3482 01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:11,839 links back to that. I can hear you in 3483 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,589 links back to that. I can hear you in the comments section already. What was 3484 01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:13,599 the comments section already. What was 3485 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,190 the comments section already. What was the decision to finally just like come 3486 01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:15,200 the decision to finally just like come 3487 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,149 the decision to finally just like come out publicly about it? like just tell 3488 01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:18,159 out publicly about it? like just tell 3489 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:19,990 out publicly about it? like just tell the the mass internet and put it as a 3490 01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:20,000 the the mass internet and put it as a 3491 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,590 the the mass internet and put it as a public information kind of thing. During 3492 01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:23,600 public information kind of thing. During 3493 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,630 public information kind of thing. During like the last I don't know couple of I 3494 01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:26,640 like the last I don't know couple of I 3495 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,829 like the last I don't know couple of I I'm trying to think of how long it's 3496 01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:27,839 I'm trying to think of how long it's 3497 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:30,149 I'm trying to think of how long it's been maybe maybe the last like four 3498 01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:30,159 been maybe maybe the last like four 3499 01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,709 been maybe maybe the last like four months or so you know the conversation 3500 01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:32,719 months or so you know the conversation 3501 01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:35,910 months or so you know the conversation has come up because of all of the stuff 3502 01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:35,920 has come up because of all of the stuff 3503 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,470 has come up because of all of the stuff in relation to Black Griffin because 3504 01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:38,480 in relation to Black Griffin because 3505 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,870 in relation to Black Griffin because people will bring up that Saber has 3506 01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:40,880 people will bring up that Saber has 3507 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,510 people will bring up that Saber has defended this and has you know I've seen 3508 01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:43,520 defended this and has you know I've seen 3509 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,030 defended this and has you know I've seen all these comments that he's making 3510 01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:45,040 all these comments that he's making 3511 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,709 all these comments that he's making about it. It's all on the level, you 3512 01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:46,719 about it. It's all on the level, you 3513 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:48,550 about it. It's all on the level, you know, it's all cool, you know, because 3514 01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:48,560 know, it's all cool, you know, because 3515 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,070 know, it's all cool, you know, because Claire 3516 01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:50,080 Claire 3517 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,470 Claire doesn't understand that she has been 3518 01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:52,480 doesn't understand that she has been 3519 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:54,630 doesn't understand that she has been groomed. It's fine, you know. It's all 3520 01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:54,640 groomed. It's fine, you know. It's all 3521 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,309 groomed. It's fine, you know. It's all on the level. We're all good. And it 3522 01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:56,319 on the level. We're all good. And it 3523 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,110 on the level. We're all good. And it I'll be honest, that triggered me and 3524 01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:59,120 I'll be honest, that triggered me and 3525 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,349 I'll be honest, that triggered me and made me realize, you know, I wonder if 3526 01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:01,359 made me realize, you know, I wonder if 3527 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,829 made me realize, you know, I wonder if that's just how my situation has been 3528 01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:03,839 that's just how my situation has been 3529 01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,309 that's just how my situation has been interpreted because I didn't speak out. 3530 01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:06,319 interpreted because I didn't speak out. 3531 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,229 interpreted because I didn't speak out. Because I didn't sit there and say, "No, 3532 01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:08,239 Because I didn't sit there and say, "No, 3533 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,030 Because I didn't sit there and say, "No, get off of me." Because I didn't, you 3534 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:11,040 get off of me." Because I didn't, you 3535 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,269 get off of me." Because I didn't, you know, have something to say about it. is 3536 01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:13,279 know, have something to say about it. is 3537 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,510 know, have something to say about it. is that just how I'm being interpreted? And 3538 01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:15,520 that just how I'm being interpreted? And 3539 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,070 that just how I'm being interpreted? And that triggered me and upset me a lot. 3540 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:18,080 that triggered me and upset me a lot. 3541 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,550 that triggered me and upset me a lot. And so, you know, I was talking with my 3542 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:20,560 And so, you know, I was talking with my 3543 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,950 And so, you know, I was talking with my friend Amy about it because of all of 3544 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:22,960 friend Amy about it because of all of 3545 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,070 friend Amy about it because of all of the, you know, conversation with Saber 3546 01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:26,080 the, you know, conversation with Saber 3547 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,430 the, you know, conversation with Saber being brought up recently and I just I I 3548 01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:29,440 being brought up recently and I just I I 3549 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,269 being brought up recently and I just I I just couldn't deal with it and I just 3550 01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:31,279 just couldn't deal with it and I just 3551 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,070 just couldn't deal with it and I just started kind of spilling on how I felt 3552 01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:34,080 started kind of spilling on how I felt 3553 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,030 started kind of spilling on how I felt about it. And it was Amy who then said, 3554 01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:37,040 about it. And it was Amy who then said, 3555 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,950 about it. And it was Amy who then said, you know, have you ever thought about 3556 01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:38,960 you know, have you ever thought about 3557 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,070 you know, have you ever thought about speaking up? Well, well, well. Fancy 3558 01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:42,080 speaking up? Well, well, well. Fancy 3559 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,470 speaking up? Well, well, well. Fancy seeing you here. Amy knew. Now look, 3560 01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:44,480 seeing you here. Amy knew. Now look, 3561 01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,149 seeing you here. Amy knew. Now look, there's a full section on Amy in the 3562 01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:46,159 there's a full section on Amy in the 3563 01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,709 there's a full section on Amy in the first video, but she has maintained her 3564 01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:48,719 first video, but she has maintained her 3565 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:50,630 first video, but she has maintained her innocence in all of this. Just a 3566 01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:50,640 innocence in all of this. Just a 3567 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,749 innocence in all of this. Just a concerned friend, and that's Bollocks. 3568 01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:53,759 concerned friend, and that's Bollocks. 3569 01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:55,910 concerned friend, and that's Bollocks. We know this both from Emily's own 3570 01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:55,920 We know this both from Emily's own 3571 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,990 We know this both from Emily's own testimony and from the fact that she is 3572 01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:58,000 testimony and from the fact that she is 3573 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,390 testimony and from the fact that she is deeply involved with this little cabal 3574 01:10:00,390 --> 01:10:00,400 deeply involved with this little cabal 3575 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,229 deeply involved with this little cabal going after Black Griffin. If you need 3576 01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:02,239 going after Black Griffin. If you need 3577 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:03,590 going after Black Griffin. If you need more evidence of this, here's a 3578 01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:03,600 more evidence of this, here's a 3579 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,270 more evidence of this, here's a screenshot of their group chat, which 3580 01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:05,280 screenshot of their group chat, which 3581 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,510 screenshot of their group chat, which includes all of them together having a 3582 01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:07,520 includes all of them together having a 3583 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,350 includes all of them together having a little plot about KP. Amy is the person 3584 01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:11,360 little plot about KP. Amy is the person 3585 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,910 little plot about KP. Amy is the person who pushed Emily to go to bonk, and that 3586 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:13,920 who pushed Emily to go to bonk, and that 3587 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,270 who pushed Emily to go to bonk, and that only serves her interests. Actually, as 3588 01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:17,280 only serves her interests. Actually, as 3589 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,950 only serves her interests. Actually, as a little additional thing, just because 3590 01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:18,960 a little additional thing, just because 3591 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,430 a little additional thing, just because I thought it was interesting, Emily is 3592 01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:21,440 I thought it was interesting, Emily is 3593 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,270 I thought it was interesting, Emily is actually the one who told Sophie to lock 3594 01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:23,280 actually the one who told Sophie to lock 3595 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,950 actually the one who told Sophie to lock Brony Fandot's accounts when he was 3596 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:24,960 Brony Fandot's accounts when he was 3597 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,630 Brony Fandot's accounts when he was threatening to throw himself off a 3598 01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:26,640 threatening to throw himself off a 3599 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,550 threatening to throw himself off a bridge. This doesn't really matter at 3600 01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:28,560 bridge. This doesn't really matter at 3601 01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,550 bridge. This doesn't really matter at this point. I just thought it was funny. 3602 01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:30,560 this point. I just thought it was funny. 3603 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,870 this point. I just thought it was funny. Irregardless, this interview scuppers 3604 01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:32,880 Irregardless, this interview scuppers 3605 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,790 Irregardless, this interview scuppers another potential defense of Emily's 3606 01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:34,800 another potential defense of Emily's 3607 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,350 another potential defense of Emily's credibility. the fact that not just in 3608 01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:37,360 credibility. the fact that not just in 3609 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,590 credibility. the fact that not just in this instance, but in multiple other 3610 01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:39,600 this instance, but in multiple other 3611 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,590 this instance, but in multiple other instances, Emily appears to be making 3612 01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:41,600 instances, Emily appears to be making 3613 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,189 instances, Emily appears to be making these accusations with some other 3614 01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:43,199 these accusations with some other 3615 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,149 these accusations with some other primary motivating factor as the reason. 3616 01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:46,159 primary motivating factor as the reason. 3617 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,310 primary motivating factor as the reason. And this latest utilization of these 3618 01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:48,320 And this latest utilization of these 3619 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,149 And this latest utilization of these accusations against Saber Spark may 3620 01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:50,159 accusations against Saber Spark may 3621 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,709 accusations against Saber Spark may actually be the most damning because not 3622 01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:52,719 actually be the most damning because not 3623 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,790 actually be the most damning because not only is she clearly involved with this 3624 01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:54,800 only is she clearly involved with this 3625 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,030 only is she clearly involved with this group going after Black Griffin, we have 3626 01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:57,040 group going after Black Griffin, we have 3627 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,870 group going after Black Griffin, we have no way to know when this association 3628 01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:58,880 no way to know when this association 3629 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,870 no way to know when this association began. Certainly, she's been friends 3630 01:11:00,870 --> 01:11:00,880 began. Certainly, she's been friends 3631 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,870 began. Certainly, she's been friends with Amy for a significant period of 3632 01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:02,880 with Amy for a significant period of 3633 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,950 with Amy for a significant period of time. But if her claims that this all 3634 01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:04,960 time. But if her claims that this all 3635 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,189 time. But if her claims that this all began months ago are to be believed, it 3636 01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:07,199 began months ago are to be believed, it 3637 01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,110 began months ago are to be believed, it brings up the uncomfortable but very 3638 01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:09,120 brings up the uncomfortable but very 3639 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,950 brings up the uncomfortable but very real possibility that her statement has 3640 01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:10,960 real possibility that her statement has 3641 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,870 real possibility that her statement has been influenced by this group before 3642 01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:12,880 been influenced by this group before 3643 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,189 been influenced by this group before release. And we know that Emily can be 3644 01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:15,199 release. And we know that Emily can be 3645 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,110 release. And we know that Emily can be manipulated into making modifications to 3646 01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:17,120 manipulated into making modifications to 3647 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,630 manipulated into making modifications to the statement for whatever needs to fit 3648 01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:18,640 the statement for whatever needs to fit 3649 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,110 the statement for whatever needs to fit at the time because she did just that 3650 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:21,120 at the time because she did just that 3651 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,310 at the time because she did just that when KP asked her to make changes. But 3652 01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:24,320 when KP asked her to make changes. But 3653 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,149 when KP asked her to make changes. But before we move on from this section on 3654 01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:26,159 before we move on from this section on 3655 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,149 before we move on from this section on Emily and the text messages, I want to 3656 01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:28,159 Emily and the text messages, I want to 3657 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:29,750 Emily and the text messages, I want to leave on a slightly happier note. You 3658 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:29,760 leave on a slightly happier note. You 3659 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,590 leave on a slightly happier note. You see, I noticed something in this 3660 01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:31,600 see, I noticed something in this 3661 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,669 see, I noticed something in this interview and I have good news for 3662 01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:33,679 interview and I have good news for 3663 01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,910 interview and I have good news for Emily. What do you want to happen like 3664 01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:35,920 Emily. What do you want to happen like 3665 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,430 Emily. What do you want to happen like with Saber Spark? Like what was your end 3666 01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:37,440 with Saber Spark? Like what was your end 3667 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,030 with Saber Spark? Like what was your end goal in sharing this? Were you just like 3668 01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:39,040 goal in sharing this? Were you just like 3669 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,790 goal in sharing this? Were you just like were you are you like on the whole like 3670 01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:40,800 were you are you like on the whole like 3671 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,110 were you are you like on the whole like let's burn everything Saber Spark made 3672 01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:43,120 let's burn everything Saber Spark made 3673 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,669 let's burn everything Saber Spark made or like what what's your like kind of 3674 01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:45,679 or like what what's your like kind of 3675 01:11:45,679 --> 01:11:48,630 or like what what's your like kind of end goal in this? 3676 01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:48,640 end goal in this? 3677 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,430 end goal in this? In all honesty, when it came to speaking 3678 01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:51,440 In all honesty, when it came to speaking 3679 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,229 In all honesty, when it came to speaking out, there wasn't really a whole lot of 3680 01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:54,239 out, there wasn't really a whole lot of 3681 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:57,910 out, there wasn't really a whole lot of one, apart from just me proving that I 3682 01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:57,920 one, apart from just me proving that I 3683 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,070 one, apart from just me proving that I could actually speak up about something 3684 01:12:00,070 --> 01:12:00,080 could actually speak up about something 3685 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,790 could actually speak up about something because like I mentioned, I have a 3686 01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:02,800 because like I mentioned, I have a 3687 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,870 because like I mentioned, I have a history of dealing with assault and I 3688 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:06,880 history of dealing with assault and I 3689 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,790 history of dealing with assault and I have not been good about speaking up 3690 01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:08,800 have not been good about speaking up 3691 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,830 have not been good about speaking up about it. And for me more than anything, 3692 01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:11,840 about it. And for me more than anything, 3693 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,350 about it. And for me more than anything, it was just kind of a personal thing of 3694 01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:15,360 it was just kind of a personal thing of 3695 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,149 it was just kind of a personal thing of saying, "No, I I I'm not okay with 3696 01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:18,159 saying, "No, I I I'm not okay with 3697 01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:20,550 saying, "No, I I I'm not okay with this." Uh, this has nothing to do with, 3698 01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:20,560 this." Uh, this has nothing to do with, 3699 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,390 this." Uh, this has nothing to do with, honestly, it's not anything to do with 3700 01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:22,400 honestly, it's not anything to do with 3701 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,110 honestly, it's not anything to do with trying to hurt him. And obviously, I 3702 01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:25,120 trying to hurt him. And obviously, I 3703 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,669 trying to hurt him. And obviously, I acknowledge it does. you know, I don't 3704 01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:27,679 acknowledge it does. you know, I don't 3705 01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:29,910 acknowledge it does. you know, I don't really want to hurt anybody, but at the 3706 01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:29,920 really want to hurt anybody, but at the 3707 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,750 really want to hurt anybody, but at the same time, 3708 01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:31,760 same time, 3709 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,830 same time, honestly, when it came to like the story 3710 01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:33,840 honestly, when it came to like the story 3711 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,470 honestly, when it came to like the story coming out, deep down, I just kind of 3712 01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:36,480 coming out, deep down, I just kind of 3713 01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,630 coming out, deep down, I just kind of had hoped, you know, I mentioned I don't 3714 01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:38,640 had hoped, you know, I mentioned I don't 3715 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,550 had hoped, you know, I mentioned I don't want him to reach out, but if he had 3716 01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:40,560 want him to reach out, but if he had 3717 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,110 want him to reach out, but if he had emailed me and just gave me an apology 3718 01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:43,120 emailed me and just gave me an apology 3719 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,830 emailed me and just gave me an apology of like, I I'm sorry. I didn't realize 3720 01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:45,840 of like, I I'm sorry. I didn't realize 3721 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,310 of like, I I'm sorry. I didn't realize that I had made you uncomfortable, that 3722 01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:48,320 that I had made you uncomfortable, that 3723 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,790 that I had made you uncomfortable, that would have been a very healing thing to 3724 01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:50,800 would have been a very healing thing to 3725 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,510 would have been a very healing thing to receive, you know. Leaving aside for a 3726 01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:53,520 receive, you know. Leaving aside for a 3727 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,950 receive, you know. Leaving aside for a second her request that her alleged 3728 01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:54,960 second her request that her alleged 3729 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,870 second her request that her alleged rapist email her an apology for making 3730 01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:56,880 rapist email her an apology for making 3731 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,189 rapist email her an apology for making her feel uncomfortable, which sounds, 3732 01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:59,199 her feel uncomfortable, which sounds, 3733 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,110 her feel uncomfortable, which sounds, let's be fair, completely [\h__\h] 3734 01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:01,120 let's be fair, completely [\h__\h] 3735 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,709 let's be fair, completely [\h__\h] mental, I have good news. Emily did get 3736 01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:04,719 mental, I have good news. Emily did get 3737 01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:08,149 mental, I have good news. Emily did get her apologies back in 2012 and 2013 for 3738 01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:08,159 her apologies back in 2012 and 2013 for 3739 01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,310 her apologies back in 2012 and 2013 for what appears to be her genuine grievance 3740 01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:10,320 what appears to be her genuine grievance 3741 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,630 what appears to be her genuine grievance of being ghosted by Saber Spark. Now, 3742 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:12,640 of being ghosted by Saber Spark. Now, 3743 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,229 of being ghosted by Saber Spark. Now, hopefully we can draw a line under the 3744 01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:14,239 hopefully we can draw a line under the 3745 01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:17,110 hopefully we can draw a line under the whole of this and hear no more about it. 3746 01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:17,120 whole of this and hear no more about it. 3747 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,790 whole of this and hear no more about it. Now, as promised, let's have a look at 3748 01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:18,800 Now, as promised, let's have a look at 3749 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,149 Now, as promised, let's have a look at some of the more interesting things that 3750 01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:20,159 some of the more interesting things that 3751 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,510 some of the more interesting things that have been happening over the last couple 3752 01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:21,520 have been happening over the last couple 3753 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,110 have been happening over the last couple of weeks. As we were already talking 3754 01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:23,120 of weeks. As we were already talking 3755 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,189 of weeks. As we were already talking about Amy new, let's start with her. 3756 01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:25,199 about Amy new, let's start with her. 3757 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,030 about Amy new, let's start with her. This is going to be very brief, however, 3758 01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:27,040 This is going to be very brief, however, 3759 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,430 This is going to be very brief, however, because Amy isn't that interesting. But 3760 01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:29,440 because Amy isn't that interesting. But 3761 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,669 because Amy isn't that interesting. But I do think it is worth noting that her 3762 01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:31,679 I do think it is worth noting that her 3763 01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:33,510 I do think it is worth noting that her husband seems to be facing allegations 3764 01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:33,520 husband seems to be facing allegations 3765 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,590 husband seems to be facing allegations of his own as she takes to Twitter to 3766 01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:35,600 of his own as she takes to Twitter to 3767 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,510 of his own as she takes to Twitter to valiantly defend his honor. Now, 3768 01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:37,520 valiantly defend his honor. Now, 3769 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,870 valiantly defend his honor. Now, obviously, these are completely 3770 01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:38,880 obviously, these are completely 3771 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,870 obviously, these are completely unsubstantiated. I just think it's funny 3772 01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:40,880 unsubstantiated. I just think it's funny 3773 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,430 unsubstantiated. I just think it's funny to watch how the turntables. That being 3774 01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:43,440 to watch how the turntables. That being 3775 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,430 to watch how the turntables. That being said, I am interested to see how her 3776 01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:45,440 said, I am interested to see how her 3777 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,750 said, I am interested to see how her believe all victim stance would hold up 3778 01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:47,760 believe all victim stance would hold up 3779 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,990 believe all victim stance would hold up if more serious accusations do end up 3780 01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:50,000 if more serious accusations do end up 3781 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,229 if more serious accusations do end up dropping. Next in the lineup is of 3782 01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:52,239 dropping. Next in the lineup is of 3783 01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:53,910 dropping. Next in the lineup is of course Sophie Scruggs. And for those of 3784 01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:53,920 course Sophie Scruggs. And for those of 3785 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,030 course Sophie Scruggs. And for those of you looking for a little bit of 3786 01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:55,040 you looking for a little bit of 3787 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,110 you looking for a little bit of comeuppance, that does seem like a 3788 01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:57,120 comeuppance, that does seem like a 3789 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,590 comeuppance, that does seem like a possibility in the near future because 3790 01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:59,600 possibility in the near future because 3791 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,590 possibility in the near future because it seems that Sophie has pissed off 3792 01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:01,600 it seems that Sophie has pissed off 3793 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,669 it seems that Sophie has pissed off quite a lot of people. And while she's 3794 01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:03,679 quite a lot of people. And while she's 3795 01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:05,510 quite a lot of people. And while she's managed to distance herself somewhat 3796 01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:05,520 managed to distance herself somewhat 3797 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,669 managed to distance herself somewhat successfully, it is worth noting that 3798 01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:07,679 successfully, it is worth noting that 3799 01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:09,990 successfully, it is worth noting that Sophie has one thing she cares about, 3800 01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:10,000 Sophie has one thing she cares about, 3801 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,910 Sophie has one thing she cares about, which would be her continued involvement 3802 01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:11,920 which would be her continued involvement 3803 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,630 which would be her continued involvement in conventions. While her participation 3804 01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:14,640 in conventions. While her participation 3805 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,950 in conventions. While her participation isn't under any sort of direct threat, I 3806 01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:16,960 isn't under any sort of direct threat, I 3807 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,470 isn't under any sort of direct threat, I did sit down with the conch chair for 3808 01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:18,480 did sit down with the conch chair for 3809 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,189 did sit down with the conch chair for Everree Northwest and all this chaos has 3810 01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:21,199 Everree Northwest and all this chaos has 3811 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:25,350 Everree Northwest and all this chaos has gone far from unnoticed. So, as time has 3812 01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:25,360 gone far from unnoticed. So, as time has 3813 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,270 gone far from unnoticed. So, as time has moved on, obviously the fandom has 3814 01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:27,280 moved on, obviously the fandom has 3815 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,630 moved on, obviously the fandom has grown, shifted, moved on. Um, currently 3816 01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:30,640 grown, shifted, moved on. Um, currently 3817 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,149 grown, shifted, moved on. Um, currently it's I mean there's quite a bit of drama 3818 01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:32,159 it's I mean there's quite a bit of drama 3819 01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:33,750 it's I mean there's quite a bit of drama and one of the people involved in that 3820 01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:33,760 and one of the people involved in that 3821 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,229 and one of the people involved in that is Sophie Scruggs. Now, what is your 3822 01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:36,239 is Sophie Scruggs. Now, what is your 3823 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:39,030 is Sophie Scruggs. Now, what is your relationship to Sophie? 3824 01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:39,040 relationship to Sophie? 3825 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,110 relationship to Sophie? Um, Sophie as far as my relationship 3826 01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:41,120 Um, Sophie as far as my relationship 3827 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,510 Um, Sophie as far as my relationship directly with her is not necessarily 3828 01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:43,520 directly with her is not necessarily 3829 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,590 directly with her is not necessarily like, you know, buddy buddy friend. It's 3830 01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:45,600 like, you know, buddy buddy friend. It's 3831 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,070 like, you know, buddy buddy friend. It's more of a business relationship. She is 3832 01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:48,080 more of a business relationship. She is 3833 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,430 more of a business relationship. She is perennial vendor at our events. um you 3834 01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:51,440 perennial vendor at our events. um you 3835 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:53,830 perennial vendor at our events. um you know someone who I associate with on a 3836 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:53,840 know someone who I associate with on a 3837 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,590 know someone who I associate with on a on a kind of a parallel axis where we we 3838 01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:57,600 on a kind of a parallel axis where we we 3839 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,350 on a kind of a parallel axis where we we attend multiple conventions at the same 3840 01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:59,360 attend multiple conventions at the same 3841 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,630 attend multiple conventions at the same time, same places. Um, she has in more 3842 01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:02,640 time, same places. Um, she has in more 3843 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,470 time, same places. Um, she has in more recent times been involved with 3844 01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:04,480 recent times been involved with 3845 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:08,070 recent times been involved with productions of uh, professional media 3846 01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:08,080 productions of uh, professional media 3847 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,270 productions of uh, professional media uh, revolving around My Little Pony 3848 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:09,280 uh, revolving around My Little Pony 3849 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,270 uh, revolving around My Little Pony fandom, especially IDW and their comic 3850 01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:11,280 fandom, especially IDW and their comic 3851 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,350 fandom, especially IDW and their comic covers and whatnot, and has recently 3852 01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:13,360 covers and whatnot, and has recently 3853 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,709 covers and whatnot, and has recently been invited as a VIP guest of Everfree 3854 01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:16,719 been invited as a VIP guest of Everfree 3855 01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:19,510 been invited as a VIP guest of Everfree um, in that capacity uh, last year as as 3856 01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:19,520 um, in that capacity uh, last year as as 3857 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,590 um, in that capacity uh, last year as as our 2024 event VIP list. Um, but just 3858 01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:23,600 our 2024 event VIP list. Um, but just 3859 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,590 our 2024 event VIP list. Um, but just more in generally just as as a perennial 3860 01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:25,600 more in generally just as as a perennial 3861 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,390 more in generally just as as a perennial vendor and producer of content in in the 3862 01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:28,400 vendor and producer of content in in the 3863 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,149 vendor and producer of content in in the space. Someone who, you know, I follow 3864 01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:30,159 space. Someone who, you know, I follow 3865 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,030 space. Someone who, you know, I follow on social media as part of my duties of 3866 01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:33,040 on social media as part of my duties of 3867 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,910 on social media as part of my duties of being informed of the goings on in the 3868 01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:35,920 being informed of the goings on in the 3869 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,910 being informed of the goings on in the community. Um, you know, I like to keep 3870 01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:37,920 community. Um, you know, I like to keep 3871 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,750 community. Um, you know, I like to keep tabs on on everything being out there so 3872 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:39,760 tabs on on everything being out there so 3873 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,430 tabs on on everything being out there so that I can, you know, keep an informed 3874 01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:41,440 that I can, you know, keep an informed 3875 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:42,870 that I can, you know, keep an informed view and and know what's going on and 3876 01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:42,880 view and and know what's going on and 3877 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,550 view and and know what's going on and know how to react to certain situations. 3878 01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:44,560 know how to react to certain situations. 3879 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,149 know how to react to certain situations. And, you know, she's part of that as a 3880 01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:46,159 And, you know, she's part of that as a 3881 01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,709 And, you know, she's part of that as a major player in the social media spaces. 3882 01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:48,719 major player in the social media spaces. 3883 01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:51,110 major player in the social media spaces. Um, she has a very strong voice in the 3884 01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:51,120 Um, she has a very strong voice in the 3885 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,669 Um, she has a very strong voice in the community. So, with what's currently 3886 01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:53,679 community. So, with what's currently 3887 01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,189 community. So, with what's currently occurring, and my understanding is that 3888 01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:55,199 occurring, and my understanding is that 3889 01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:56,950 occurring, and my understanding is that Saber Spark has been potentially 3890 01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:56,960 Saber Spark has been potentially 3891 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,350 Saber Spark has been potentially disinvited from Everfree. Is that 3892 01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:59,360 disinvited from Everfree. Is that 3893 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,590 disinvited from Everfree. Is that correct? 3894 01:16:01,590 --> 01:16:01,600 correct? 3895 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,510 correct? Um, I wouldn't go so far as to say 3896 01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:03,520 Um, I wouldn't go so far as to say 3897 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,229 Um, I wouldn't go so far as to say disinvited, more of, you know, 3898 01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:06,239 disinvited, more of, you know, 3899 01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,990 disinvited, more of, you know, re-evaluated. 3900 01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:08,000 re-evaluated. 3901 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,950 re-evaluated. Um, and currently ongoing still. I I you 3902 01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:10,960 Um, and currently ongoing still. I I you 3903 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,590 Um, and currently ongoing still. I I you know, we're still in internal talks and 3904 01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:13,600 know, we're still in internal talks and 3905 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,790 know, we're still in internal talks and discussions about the continuity of of 3906 01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:16,800 discussions about the continuity of of 3907 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,470 discussions about the continuity of of different events going on in in the 3908 01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:18,480 different events going on in in the 3909 01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:20,070 different events going on in in the fandom, the reactions that fans are 3910 01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:20,080 fandom, the reactions that fans are 3911 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,870 fandom, the reactions that fans are having to this particular drama event. I 3912 01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:22,880 having to this particular drama event. I 3913 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,110 having to this particular drama event. I know the relationship that Saber and his 3914 01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:25,120 know the relationship that Saber and his 3915 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,430 know the relationship that Saber and his group of of pals including AC race best 3916 01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:27,440 group of of pals including AC race best 3917 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,390 group of of pals including AC race best and uh other folks in the the bronies 3918 01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:30,400 and uh other folks in the the bronies 3919 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,950 and uh other folks in the the bronies react group and other ancillary groups 3920 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:32,960 react group and other ancillary groups 3921 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,830 react group and other ancillary groups to that um have had in the past has gone 3922 01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:35,840 to that um have had in the past has gone 3923 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,590 to that um have had in the past has gone back since you know the very first ever 3924 01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:37,600 back since you know the very first ever 3925 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,229 back since you know the very first ever freeback in 20 2012 3926 01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:40,239 freeback in 20 2012 3927 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:41,830 freeback in 20 2012 um it's been an ongoing relationship 3928 01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:41,840 um it's been an ongoing relationship 3929 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,430 um it's been an ongoing relationship where practically every year they are 3930 01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:43,440 where practically every year they are 3931 01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:45,270 where practically every year they are invited as community guests. They 3932 01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:45,280 invited as community guests. They 3933 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,910 invited as community guests. They provide a a large um portion of our 3934 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:47,920 provide a a large um portion of our 3935 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,910 provide a a large um portion of our programming of events at the show 3936 01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:49,920 programming of events at the show 3937 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,870 programming of events at the show multiple events per day. um comprising 3938 01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:52,880 multiple events per day. um comprising 3939 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,550 multiple events per day. um comprising many hours of of you know community 3940 01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:56,560 many hours of of you know community 3941 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,990 many hours of of you know community involvement um at each year's show. Um 3942 01:16:59,990 --> 01:17:00,000 involvement um at each year's show. Um 3943 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,390 involvement um at each year's show. Um so it it it goes back a long ways and 3944 01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:02,400 so it it it goes back a long ways and 3945 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,790 so it it it goes back a long ways and you know given recent drama and and you 3946 01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:04,800 you know given recent drama and and you 3947 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,189 you know given recent drama and and you know focus and attention on on certain 3948 01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:07,199 know focus and attention on on certain 3949 01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,110 know focus and attention on on certain matters of great importance and and 3950 01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:09,120 matters of great importance and and 3951 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,310 matters of great importance and and great gravity let's say this this is a 3952 01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:12,320 great gravity let's say this this is a 3953 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,030 great gravity let's say this this is a very serious accusation a very serious 3954 01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:15,040 very serious accusation a very serious 3955 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,270 very serious accusation a very serious you know issue to be um involving 3956 01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:17,280 you know issue to be um involving 3957 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,430 you know issue to be um involving ourselves in as a business we have to 3958 01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:19,440 ourselves in as a business we have to 3959 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,390 ourselves in as a business we have to evaluate how the fans are responding 3960 01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:22,400 evaluate how the fans are responding 3961 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,149 evaluate how the fans are responding reacting involving themselves with these 3962 01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:24,159 reacting involving themselves with these 3963 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,870 reacting involving themselves with these kind of things so that we can help 3964 01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:26,880 kind of things so that we can help 3965 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,990 kind of things so that we can help insulate both our fans at our show and 3966 01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:30,000 insulate both our fans at our show and 3967 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,630 insulate both our fans at our show and our business and our, you know, our our 3968 01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:34,640 our business and our, you know, our our 3969 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,270 our business and our, you know, our our view as far as how the fans view us as 3970 01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:37,280 view as far as how the fans view us as 3971 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,110 view as far as how the fans view us as an entity. You know, we we pride 3972 01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:39,120 an entity. You know, we we pride 3973 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,470 an entity. You know, we we pride ourselves at Every Fear Northwest as 3974 01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:40,480 ourselves at Every Fear Northwest as 3975 01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,189 ourselves at Every Fear Northwest as being a familyfriendly convention and 3976 01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:43,199 being a familyfriendly convention and 3977 01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:45,110 being a familyfriendly convention and unlike many of the other brony and pony 3978 01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:45,120 unlike many of the other brony and pony 3979 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,750 unlike many of the other brony and pony conventions out there. Um, we try to 3980 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:47,760 conventions out there. Um, we try to 3981 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,030 conventions out there. Um, we try to keep a PG rating on all of our content, 3982 01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:51,040 keep a PG rating on all of our content, 3983 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,950 keep a PG rating on all of our content, everything at the show, you know, keep 3984 01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:52,960 everything at the show, you know, keep 3985 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,310 everything at the show, you know, keep it so that it's completely 3986 01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:54,320 it so that it's completely 3987 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:55,990 it so that it's completely familyfriendly. any event can be 3988 01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:56,000 familyfriendly. any event can be 3989 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,830 familyfriendly. any event can be attended by any age and shouldn't have 3990 01:17:57,830 --> 01:17:57,840 attended by any age and shouldn't have 3991 01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,830 attended by any age and shouldn't have any problems. Uh, and that's been a 3992 01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:59,840 any problems. Uh, and that's been a 3993 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,310 any problems. Uh, and that's been a long-standing uh, rule of ours since I 3994 01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:02,320 long-standing uh, rule of ours since I 3995 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,709 long-standing uh, rule of ours since I became involved in management around the 3996 01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:04,719 became involved in management around the 3997 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:07,189 became involved in management around the 2016 2017 3998 01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:07,199 2016 2017 3999 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,669 2016 2017 um, show times. Considering the fact 4000 01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:09,679 um, show times. Considering the fact 4001 01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:13,990 um, show times. Considering the fact that Sophie is involved in this sort of 4002 01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:14,000 that Sophie is involved in this sort of 4003 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,630 that Sophie is involved in this sort of wider drama involving Black Griffin, uh 4004 01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:16,640 wider drama involving Black Griffin, uh 4005 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,189 wider drama involving Black Griffin, uh their involvement with Bernie Fand and 4006 01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:19,199 their involvement with Bernie Fand and 4007 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:21,189 their involvement with Bernie Fand and you know their involvement with 4008 01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:21,199 you know their involvement with 4009 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,590 you know their involvement with leveling, you know, unsubstantiated rape 4010 01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:23,600 leveling, you know, unsubstantiated rape 4011 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,229 leveling, you know, unsubstantiated rape allegations against Saber Spark, does 4012 01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:26,239 allegations against Saber Spark, does 4013 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,709 allegations against Saber Spark, does that re-evaluation extend to her as 4014 01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:28,719 that re-evaluation extend to her as 4015 01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:30,870 that re-evaluation extend to her as well? 4016 01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:30,880 well? 4017 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,950 well? Um in a way it it does muddy the waters 4018 01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:34,960 Um in a way it it does muddy the waters 4019 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,590 Um in a way it it does muddy the waters let's say uh of our involvement but in 4020 01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:37,600 let's say uh of our involvement but in 4021 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,390 let's say uh of our involvement but in the sense that she is at current only 4022 01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:40,400 the sense that she is at current only 4023 01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,950 the sense that she is at current only being evaluated this year as a vendor 4024 01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:42,960 being evaluated this year as a vendor 4025 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,790 being evaluated this year as a vendor and we have many vendors of many 4026 01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:44,800 and we have many vendors of many 4027 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,630 and we have many vendors of many different persuasions and beliefs and 4028 01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:46,640 different persuasions and beliefs and 4029 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,870 different persuasions and beliefs and interests and whatnot. um that doesn't 4030 01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:48,880 interests and whatnot. um that doesn't 4031 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,470 interests and whatnot. um that doesn't necessarily reflect directly on our 4032 01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:50,480 necessarily reflect directly on our 4033 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,070 necessarily reflect directly on our convention as having her as a as a 4034 01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:52,080 convention as having her as a as a 4035 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,709 convention as having her as a as a long-standing vendor participant um so 4036 01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:54,719 long-standing vendor participant um so 4037 01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,310 long-standing vendor participant um so much as it does with Sabre being an 4038 01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:56,320 much as it does with Sabre being an 4039 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,229 much as it does with Sabre being an actual community guest invited to the 4040 01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:58,239 actual community guest invited to the 4041 01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:59,910 actual community guest invited to the convention by the convention and and 4042 01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:59,920 convention by the convention and and 4043 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:01,910 convention by the convention and and being a representative of of our values 4044 01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:01,920 being a representative of of our values 4045 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,950 being a representative of of our values and and our our different options for 4046 01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:04,960 and and our our different options for 4047 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,709 and and our our different options for presenting to our fans and and 4048 01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:06,719 presenting to our fans and and 4049 01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:09,189 presenting to our fans and and participants in the event. Um so there's 4050 01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:09,199 participants in the event. Um so there's 4051 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,350 participants in the event. Um so there's a little bit of differentiation. If we 4052 01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:11,360 a little bit of differentiation. If we 4053 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:12,870 a little bit of differentiation. If we were evaluating Sophie again on the 4054 01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:12,880 were evaluating Sophie again on the 4055 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,270 were evaluating Sophie again on the level of like VIP involvement and and 4056 01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:15,280 level of like VIP involvement and and 4057 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,790 level of like VIP involvement and and that kind of thing there, it would 4058 01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:16,800 that kind of thing there, it would 4059 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,870 that kind of thing there, it would probably be a much different story. At 4060 01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:18,880 probably be a much different story. At 4061 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,310 probably be a much different story. At the very least, I imagine there are 4062 01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:20,320 the very least, I imagine there are 4063 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,390 the very least, I imagine there are going to be a few uncomfortable 4064 01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:22,400 going to be a few uncomfortable 4065 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,149 going to be a few uncomfortable interactions for Sophie in the not 4066 01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:24,159 interactions for Sophie in the not 4067 01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:27,350 interactions for Sophie in the not tooistant future. But I guess this 4068 01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:27,360 tooistant future. But I guess this 4069 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,750 tooistant future. But I guess this brings us finally to Brony Fandone. Now, 4070 01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:29,760 brings us finally to Brony Fandone. Now, 4071 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,030 brings us finally to Brony Fandone. Now, I'm not going to talk about all the 4072 01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:31,040 I'm not going to talk about all the 4073 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,870 I'm not going to talk about all the insanity over on Twitter. If you want to 4074 01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:32,880 insanity over on Twitter. If you want to 4075 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,470 insanity over on Twitter. If you want to see that, go and follow me over there. 4076 01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:34,480 see that, go and follow me over there. 4077 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:38,070 see that, go and follow me over there. I've been a little unhinged lately. 4078 01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:38,080 I've been a little unhinged lately. 4079 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,390 I've been a little unhinged lately. Rather, what I'd like to focus in on are 4080 01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:40,400 Rather, what I'd like to focus in on are 4081 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,630 Rather, what I'd like to focus in on are the interactions between Brony Fandone 4082 01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:42,640 the interactions between Brony Fandone 4083 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,590 the interactions between Brony Fandone and Mr. Enter. Cause, not to put too 4084 01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:45,600 and Mr. Enter. Cause, not to put too 4085 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,750 and Mr. Enter. Cause, not to put too fine a point on it, Fandone is a very 4086 01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:47,760 fine a point on it, Fandone is a very 4087 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,149 fine a point on it, Fandone is a very unhappy little freak right now. This is 4088 01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:50,159 unhappy little freak right now. This is 4089 01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,669 unhappy little freak right now. This is for a couple of reasons, though I will 4090 01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:51,679 for a couple of reasons, though I will 4091 01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:53,669 for a couple of reasons, though I will admit his primary grievance is causing 4092 01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:53,679 admit his primary grievance is causing 4093 01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:55,669 admit his primary grievance is causing me some trouble when trying to explain 4094 01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:55,679 me some trouble when trying to explain 4095 01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:57,750 me some trouble when trying to explain it. My original recording of this 4096 01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:57,760 it. My original recording of this 4097 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,070 it. My original recording of this section ran to just over 9 minutes and 4098 01:20:00,070 --> 01:20:00,080 section ran to just over 9 minutes and 4099 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,830 section ran to just over 9 minutes and by the end made me sound like an 4100 01:20:01,830 --> 01:20:01,840 by the end made me sound like an 4101 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,709 by the end made me sound like an egoomaniac. As despite Fandon's 4102 01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:04,719 egoomaniac. As despite Fandon's 4103 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,950 egoomaniac. As despite Fandon's protestation that he doesn't care what I 4104 01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:06,960 protestation that he doesn't care what I 4105 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,750 protestation that he doesn't care what I think, well, these DMs tell a very 4106 01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:09,760 think, well, these DMs tell a very 4107 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,590 think, well, these DMs tell a very different story. So, we're going to 4108 01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:11,600 different story. So, we're going to 4109 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,430 different story. So, we're going to break this down based on whichever voice 4110 01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:13,440 break this down based on whichever voice 4111 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,350 break this down based on whichever voice seems to be screaming at Fandom from 4112 01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:15,360 seems to be screaming at Fandom from 4113 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,149 seems to be screaming at Fandom from inside his own head at that moment. To 4114 01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:18,159 inside his own head at that moment. To 4115 01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:19,750 inside his own head at that moment. To begin, and as a little bit of 4116 01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:19,760 begin, and as a little bit of 4117 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,910 begin, and as a little bit of background, these interactions start 4118 01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:21,920 background, these interactions start 4119 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,990 background, these interactions start when Mr. Enter reaches out to Bonk for 4120 01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:24,000 when Mr. Enter reaches out to Bonk for 4121 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,350 when Mr. Enter reaches out to Bonk for more information regarding the 4122 01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:25,360 more information regarding the 4123 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,590 more information regarding the allegations. Most of this we're going to 4124 01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:27,600 allegations. Most of this we're going to 4125 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,350 allegations. Most of this we're going to skip over, but there is one particular 4126 01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:29,360 skip over, but there is one particular 4127 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,510 skip over, but there is one particular interaction that caught my eye as 4128 01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:31,520 interaction that caught my eye as 4129 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,510 interaction that caught my eye as Fandone demands to be added to a call 4130 01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:33,520 Fandone demands to be added to a call 4131 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,350 Fandone demands to be added to a call that for some reason he thinks is 4132 01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:35,360 that for some reason he thinks is 4133 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,790 that for some reason he thinks is occurring. When he doesn't get a 4134 01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:36,800 occurring. When he doesn't get a 4135 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,149 occurring. When he doesn't get a response, he actually reaches out to 4136 01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:38,159 response, he actually reaches out to 4137 01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,030 response, he actually reaches out to Emily. Such is his desperate need for 4138 01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:41,040 Emily. Such is his desperate need for 4139 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,270 Emily. Such is his desperate need for control. The reason I bring this up is 4140 01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:43,280 control. The reason I bring this up is 4141 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,110 control. The reason I bring this up is because it allows me to talk about one 4142 01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:45,120 because it allows me to talk about one 4143 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,189 because it allows me to talk about one element of Fandon's personality which I 4144 01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:47,199 element of Fandon's personality which I 4145 01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,270 element of Fandon's personality which I don't think's really been touched upon. 4146 01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:49,280 don't think's really been touched upon. 4147 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,310 don't think's really been touched upon. His insane inferiority complex. You'll 4148 01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:52,320 His insane inferiority complex. You'll 4149 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,189 His insane inferiority complex. You'll notice Fandon's OC is a hyena with a 4150 01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:55,199 notice Fandon's OC is a hyena with a 4151 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,350 notice Fandon's OC is a hyena with a glowing eye, but this isn't just an 4152 01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:57,360 glowing eye, but this isn't just an 4153 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,070 glowing eye, but this isn't just an aesthetic choice. Somebody handed me the 4154 01:21:00,070 --> 01:21:00,080 aesthetic choice. Somebody handed me the 4155 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,070 aesthetic choice. Somebody handed me the character sheet for Bonk's character. 4156 01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:02,080 character sheet for Bonk's character. 4157 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,950 character sheet for Bonk's character. And it turns out Bonk has something of a 4158 01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:04,960 And it turns out Bonk has something of a 4159 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,070 And it turns out Bonk has something of a rape fetish. Yes, unfortunately, the 4160 01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:08,080 rape fetish. Yes, unfortunately, the 4161 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,149 rape fetish. Yes, unfortunately, the rabbit hole gets even darker. And that 4162 01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:10,159 rabbit hole gets even darker. And that 4163 01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:11,750 rabbit hole gets even darker. And that is a terrible choice of words 4164 01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:11,760 is a terrible choice of words 4165 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,990 is a terrible choice of words considering what I'm about to tell you. 4166 01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:14,000 considering what I'm about to tell you. 4167 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,189 considering what I'm about to tell you. Fandon's OC has the special ability to 4168 01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:17,199 Fandon's OC has the special ability to 4169 01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:20,229 Fandon's OC has the special ability to bend others to her will, a power she 4170 01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:20,239 bend others to her will, a power she 4171 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:23,590 bend others to her will, a power she seems to use almost exclusively to cuck 4172 01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:23,600 seems to use almost exclusively to cuck 4173 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,310 seems to use almost exclusively to cuck the fox from Zootopia so she can have 4174 01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:26,320 the fox from Zootopia so she can have 4175 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,110 the fox from Zootopia so she can have sex with the rabbit character. I would 4176 01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:29,120 sex with the rabbit character. I would 4177 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,790 sex with the rabbit character. I would of course love to tell you that the only 4178 01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:30,800 of course love to tell you that the only 4179 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,790 of course love to tell you that the only reason I'm bringing this up at all is to 4180 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:32,800 reason I'm bringing this up at all is to 4181 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,430 reason I'm bringing this up at all is to display to you that despite the serious 4182 01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:35,440 display to you that despite the serious 4183 01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:37,430 display to you that despite the serious allegations Bonk keeps leveling against 4184 01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:37,440 allegations Bonk keeps leveling against 4185 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,669 allegations Bonk keeps leveling against people, he clearly can't have that much 4186 01:21:39,669 --> 01:21:39,679 people, he clearly can't have that much 4187 01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:41,750 people, he clearly can't have that much of an issue with any of these things, 4188 01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:41,760 of an issue with any of these things, 4189 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,350 of an issue with any of these things, considering the types of porn he 4190 01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:43,360 considering the types of porn he 4191 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,910 considering the types of porn he commissions and how much of it there is. 4192 01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:45,920 commissions and how much of it there is. 4193 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,630 commissions and how much of it there is. But if I'm being truthful, it's just 4194 01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:48,640 But if I'm being truthful, it's just 4195 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,750 But if I'm being truthful, it's just because I like mocking him. That little 4196 01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:51,760 because I like mocking him. That little 4197 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,590 because I like mocking him. That little bit of mental scarring out of the way, 4198 01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:53,600 bit of mental scarring out of the way, 4199 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,310 bit of mental scarring out of the way, let's get to the meat and potatoes. 4200 01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:56,320 let's get to the meat and potatoes. 4201 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,110 let's get to the meat and potatoes. Fandone's core issue with Mr. Enter is, 4202 01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:59,120 Fandone's core issue with Mr. Enter is, 4203 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,510 Fandone's core issue with Mr. Enter is, if you hadn't guessed it already, me. 4204 01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:01,520 if you hadn't guessed it already, me. 4205 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,030 if you hadn't guessed it already, me. And actually, if you hadn't guessed it 4206 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:03,040 And actually, if you hadn't guessed it 4207 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,189 And actually, if you hadn't guessed it already, I wouldn't be surprised because 4208 01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:05,199 already, I wouldn't be surprised because 4209 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,750 already, I wouldn't be surprised because that's kind of insane. Fand seems to 4210 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:07,760 that's kind of insane. Fand seems to 4211 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,070 that's kind of insane. Fand seems to blame Mr. Enter for the success of my 4212 01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:10,080 blame Mr. Enter for the success of my 4213 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,110 blame Mr. Enter for the success of my previous video, as well as giving me an 4214 01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:13,120 previous video, as well as giving me an 4215 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,669 previous video, as well as giving me an audience. Perhaps though, this does go 4216 01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:15,679 audience. Perhaps though, this does go 4217 01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:17,669 audience. Perhaps though, this does go some way to explaining why Fandon's 4218 01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:17,679 some way to explaining why Fandon's 4219 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:20,629 some way to explaining why Fandon's 300page document on Black Griffin is as 4220 01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:20,639 300page document on Black Griffin is as 4221 01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:23,270 300page document on Black Griffin is as full of nonsense as it is, as even a 4222 01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:23,280 full of nonsense as it is, as even a 4223 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:24,790 full of nonsense as it is, as even a cursory glance at my channel would have 4224 01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:24,800 cursory glance at my channel would have 4225 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,390 cursory glance at my channel would have shown him that the Saber Spark video 4226 01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:26,400 shown him that the Saber Spark video 4227 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,229 shown him that the Saber Spark video didn't do that much better than most of 4228 01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:28,239 didn't do that much better than most of 4229 01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,149 didn't do that much better than most of my other content. Had he dug even 4230 01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:30,159 my other content. Had he dug even 4231 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:31,350 my other content. Had he dug even deeper, of course, he would have found 4232 01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:31,360 deeper, of course, he would have found 4233 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,110 deeper, of course, he would have found that all of this was Chudlo Logic's 4234 01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:33,120 that all of this was Chudlo Logic's 4235 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,110 that all of this was Chudlo Logic's fault. Wait, he's actually involved. Oh 4236 01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:35,120 fault. Wait, he's actually involved. Oh 4237 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,790 fault. Wait, he's actually involved. Oh my god, Becket, I was joking, but you 4238 01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:36,800 my god, Becket, I was joking, but you 4239 01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,950 my god, Becket, I was joking, but you are actually involved. Jesus Christ, 4240 01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:38,960 are actually involved. Jesus Christ, 4241 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,270 are actually involved. Jesus Christ, dude. For this reason, Fandone is 4242 01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:41,280 dude. For this reason, Fandone is 4243 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,669 dude. For this reason, Fandone is convinced that if Mr. enter would just 4244 01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:43,679 convinced that if Mr. enter would just 4245 01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:45,669 convinced that if Mr. enter would just put out a retraction for ever mentioning 4246 01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:45,679 put out a retraction for ever mentioning 4247 01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:48,390 put out a retraction for ever mentioning my name and apologize profusely while 4248 01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:48,400 my name and apologize profusely while 4249 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,870 my name and apologize profusely while denouncing me. Everything can go back to 4250 01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:50,880 denouncing me. Everything can go back to 4251 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,189 denouncing me. Everything can go back to the way it was. You have to remember, of 4252 01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:53,199 the way it was. You have to remember, of 4253 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,189 the way it was. You have to remember, of course, that Fandone is always at any 4254 01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:55,199 course, that Fandone is always at any 4255 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,270 course, that Fandone is always at any moment just one tweet away from 4256 01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:57,280 moment just one tweet away from 4257 01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,350 moment just one tweet away from destroying the careers of everybody he 4258 01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:59,360 destroying the careers of everybody he 4259 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,390 destroying the careers of everybody he hates. To Fandone, the idea of Mr. Enter 4260 01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:02,400 hates. To Fandone, the idea of Mr. Enter 4261 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,030 hates. To Fandone, the idea of Mr. Enter not denouncing me must seem absurd. 4262 01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:05,040 not denouncing me must seem absurd. 4263 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,149 not denouncing me must seem absurd. After all, in his opinion, my video is 4264 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:08,159 After all, in his opinion, my video is 4265 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:10,149 After all, in his opinion, my video is illegal. 4266 01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:10,159 illegal. 4267 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,149 illegal. And I'm going to be honest with you, 4268 01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:12,159 And I'm going to be honest with you, 4269 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,229 And I'm going to be honest with you, this one also confused the living [\h__\h] 4270 01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:14,239 this one also confused the living [\h__\h] 4271 01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,310 this one also confused the living [\h__\h] out of me. But what I've managed to 4272 01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:16,320 out of me. But what I've managed to 4273 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,629 out of me. But what I've managed to piece together from Fand's incoherent 4274 01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:18,639 piece together from Fand's incoherent 4275 01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:21,430 piece together from Fand's incoherent ranting is that the recording CLA 4276 01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:21,440 ranting is that the recording CLA 4277 01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:24,229 ranting is that the recording CLA provided me was made without consent of 4278 01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:24,239 provided me was made without consent of 4279 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,550 provided me was made without consent of the parties involved. How Fandone would 4280 01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:26,560 the parties involved. How Fandone would 4281 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,590 the parties involved. How Fandone would know this is a mystery unless he is in 4282 01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:29,600 know this is a mystery unless he is in 4283 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,350 know this is a mystery unless he is in contact with the therapist or the far 4284 01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:31,360 contact with the therapist or the far 4285 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,709 contact with the therapist or the far more likely option, Cla's father, Ian. 4286 01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:34,719 more likely option, Cla's father, Ian. 4287 01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:37,270 more likely option, Cla's father, Ian. These DMs also help me to answer a key 4288 01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:37,280 These DMs also help me to answer a key 4289 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,669 These DMs also help me to answer a key question I've had for weeks now, which 4290 01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:39,679 question I've had for weeks now, which 4291 01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:42,950 question I've had for weeks now, which is why Fandon keeps claiming that Clare 4292 01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:42,960 is why Fandon keeps claiming that Clare 4293 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,669 is why Fandon keeps claiming that Clare was forced to pet snails by Sophie 4294 01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:45,679 was forced to pet snails by Sophie 4295 01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:48,790 was forced to pet snails by Sophie Scrugs. A story he correctly identifies 4296 01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:48,800 Scrugs. A story he correctly identifies 4297 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,910 Scrugs. A story he correctly identifies as completely ridiculous. One may wonder 4298 01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:51,920 as completely ridiculous. One may wonder 4299 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,590 as completely ridiculous. One may wonder whether he actually ever watched my 4300 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:53,600 whether he actually ever watched my 4301 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,270 whether he actually ever watched my video or the interview with Clare 4302 01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:55,280 video or the interview with Clare 4303 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,350 video or the interview with Clare because she never said anything close to 4304 01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:57,360 because she never said anything close to 4305 01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,590 because she never said anything close to this except, I guess, for the continued 4306 01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:59,600 this except, I guess, for the continued 4307 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,669 this except, I guess, for the continued inclusion of a snail. And the answer is, 4308 01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:01,679 inclusion of a snail. And the answer is, 4309 01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:03,110 inclusion of a snail. And the answer is, of course, he didn't. All the 4310 01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:03,120 of course, he didn't. All the 4311 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,430 of course, he didn't. All the information he has about it or me has 4312 01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:05,440 information he has about it or me has 4313 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,350 information he has about it or me has been fed to him by third parties who 4314 01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:07,360 been fed to him by third parties who 4315 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,030 been fed to him by third parties who frankly also don't know what the hell 4316 01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:09,040 frankly also don't know what the hell 4317 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,790 frankly also don't know what the hell they're talking about. This little hate 4318 01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:10,800 they're talking about. This little hate 4319 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,189 they're talking about. This little hate mob is terrified of anything approaching 4320 01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:13,199 mob is terrified of anything approaching 4321 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:15,110 mob is terrified of anything approaching facts or truth. It's why this mess 4322 01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:15,120 facts or truth. It's why this mess 4323 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:19,430 facts or truth. It's why this mess started in the first place. 4324 01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:19,440 4325 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:21,350 I have taken time to fully reflect on 4326 01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:21,360 I have taken time to fully reflect on 4327 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,430 I have taken time to fully reflect on this entire situation and it has been 4328 01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:23,440 this entire situation and it has been 4329 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,310 this entire situation and it has been emotional and a very major challenge. It 4330 01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:26,320 emotional and a very major challenge. It 4331 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,149 emotional and a very major challenge. It has really shined a spotlight on not 4332 01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:28,159 has really shined a spotlight on not 4333 01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:29,830 has really shined a spotlight on not only my understanding on how everything 4334 01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:29,840 only my understanding on how everything 4335 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,590 only my understanding on how everything has happened since my first testimony 4336 01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:31,600 has happened since my first testimony 4337 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,910 has happened since my first testimony being released, but also especially 4338 01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:33,920 being released, but also especially 4339 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,270 being released, but also especially regarding how I have carried 4340 01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:35,280 regarding how I have carried 4341 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,430 regarding how I have carried self-destructive habits with me into 4342 01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:37,440 self-destructive habits with me into 4343 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,430 self-destructive habits with me into adulthood that I have clung on to since 4344 01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:39,440 adulthood that I have clung on to since 4345 01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:41,590 adulthood that I have clung on to since being a child. Not being able to 4346 01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:41,600 being a child. Not being able to 4347 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,350 being a child. Not being able to remember these moments of me betraying 4348 01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:43,360 remember these moments of me betraying 4349 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,030 remember these moments of me betraying myself through acting like I was not 4350 01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:45,040 myself through acting like I was not 4351 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,110 myself through acting like I was not only fine but even enjoy taking part in 4352 01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:47,120 only fine but even enjoy taking part in 4353 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,950 only fine but even enjoy taking part in these occurrences and reliving them 4354 01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:48,960 these occurrences and reliving them 4355 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,790 these occurrences and reliving them again when brought to my attention felt 4356 01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:50,800 again when brought to my attention felt 4357 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,950 again when brought to my attention felt extremely heavy on me. as I sat with 4358 01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:52,960 extremely heavy on me. as I sat with 4359 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,030 extremely heavy on me. as I sat with myself asking why I needed to do this 4360 01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:55,040 myself asking why I needed to do this 4361 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,750 myself asking why I needed to do this for years. It isn't easy being eight and 4362 01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:57,760 for years. It isn't easy being eight and 4363 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,590 for years. It isn't easy being eight and feeling like the responsibility of your 4364 01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:59,600 feeling like the responsibility of your 4365 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,070 feeling like the responsibility of your entire life changing is on you if you 4366 01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:02,080 entire life changing is on you if you 4367 01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,750 entire life changing is on you if you spoke up and told an adult what was 4368 01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:03,760 spoke up and told an adult what was 4369 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,750 spoke up and told an adult what was happening or being 12 worrying that if 4370 01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:05,760 happening or being 12 worrying that if 4371 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,350 happening or being 12 worrying that if you said something to the teacher as a 4372 01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:07,360 you said something to the teacher as a 4373 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,510 you said something to the teacher as a classmate assaults you that maybe you 4374 01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:09,520 classmate assaults you that maybe you 4375 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:10,870 classmate assaults you that maybe you would be the one to get in trouble 4376 01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:10,880 would be the one to get in trouble 4377 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,350 would be the one to get in trouble because you didn't understand. I didn't 4378 01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:13,360 because you didn't understand. I didn't 4379 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,270 because you didn't understand. I didn't want to confront that reality by telling 4380 01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:15,280 want to confront that reality by telling 4381 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,030 want to confront that reality by telling him and instead just played along 4382 01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:17,040 him and instead just played along 4383 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,709 him and instead just played along because for the longest time I remained 4384 01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:18,719 because for the longest time I remained 4385 01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:20,470 because for the longest time I remained in spaces with people where I was not 4386 01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:20,480 in spaces with people where I was not 4387 01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,950 in spaces with people where I was not wanted. I regret not expressing it and 4388 01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:22,960 wanted. I regret not expressing it and 4389 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,790 wanted. I regret not expressing it and regret putting myself in a space where I 4390 01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:24,800 regret putting myself in a space where I 4391 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,950 regret putting myself in a space where I shouldn't have stayed. While I still am 4392 01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:26,960 shouldn't have stayed. While I still am 4393 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,189 shouldn't have stayed. While I still am firm on consent not being given in these 4394 01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:29,199 firm on consent not being given in these 4395 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,669 firm on consent not being given in these two situations, I don't want Saber to 4396 01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:31,679 two situations, I don't want Saber to 4397 01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:33,189 two situations, I don't want Saber to continue taking heat for what happened 4398 01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:33,199 continue taking heat for what happened 4399 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:34,709 continue taking heat for what happened because I really do not think he 4400 01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:34,719 because I really do not think he 4401 01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:37,270 because I really do not think he realized this. I do still believe he 4402 01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:37,280 realized this. I do still believe he 4403 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,550 realized this. I do still believe he should have been careful and more 4404 01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:38,560 should have been careful and more 4405 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,990 should have been careful and more mindful about his approach when 4406 01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:40,000 mindful about his approach when 4407 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,669 mindful about his approach when interacting with me and communicating 4408 01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:41,679 interacting with me and communicating 4409 01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,270 interacting with me and communicating clearly with me to make sure I wanted 4410 01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:43,280 clearly with me to make sure I wanted 4411 01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,629 clearly with me to make sure I wanted these sexual encounters before 4412 01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:44,639 these sexual encounters before 4413 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:46,709 these sexual encounters before initiating them. It would have been much 4414 01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:46,719 initiating them. It would have been much 4415 01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:48,629 initiating them. It would have been much easier to avoid them altogether, but 4416 01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:48,639 easier to avoid them altogether, but 4417 01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:50,310 easier to avoid them altogether, but just as he could have done that, I could 4418 01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:50,320 just as he could have done that, I could 4419 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:51,990 just as he could have done that, I could have been more upfront by either telling 4420 01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:52,000 have been more upfront by either telling 4421 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,870 have been more upfront by either telling him or stop interacting entirely. I feel 4422 01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:54,880 him or stop interacting entirely. I feel 4423 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,629 him or stop interacting entirely. I feel really good about having a proper path 4424 01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:56,639 really good about having a proper path 4425 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:58,390 really good about having a proper path carved out for me when it comes to the 4426 01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:58,400 carved out for me when it comes to the 4427 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,550 carved out for me when it comes to the work I have to do to finally heal from 4428 01:26:00,550 --> 01:26:00,560 work I have to do to finally heal from 4429 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,870 work I have to do to finally heal from not only this situation, but other 4430 01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:02,880 not only this situation, but other 4431 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,430 not only this situation, but other sexual traumas I've endured. Healing is 4432 01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:05,440 sexual traumas I've endured. Healing is 4433 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:06,870 sexual traumas I've endured. Healing is something we need to take control of 4434 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:06,880 something we need to take control of 4435 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,709 something we need to take control of ourselves because no one else is going 4436 01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:08,719 ourselves because no one else is going 4437 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,950 ourselves because no one else is going to do the work. While the people 4438 01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:10,960 to do the work. While the people 4439 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,550 to do the work. While the people pleasing was something I developed in a 4440 01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:12,560 pleasing was something I developed in a 4441 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,870 pleasing was something I developed in a time of need, I can't carry that with me 4442 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:14,880 time of need, I can't carry that with me 4443 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:16,709 time of need, I can't carry that with me anymore as an adult because it is no 4444 01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:16,719 anymore as an adult because it is no 4445 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:19,270 anymore as an adult because it is no longer serving me. So, it would seem 4446 01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:19,280 longer serving me. So, it would seem 4447 01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,950 longer serving me. So, it would seem that my conversation with Emily a few 4448 01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:20,960 that my conversation with Emily a few 4449 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,790 that my conversation with Emily a few days ago has caused her to reflect upon 4450 01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:22,800 days ago has caused her to reflect upon 4451 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,830 days ago has caused her to reflect upon these events quite seriously. And she 4452 01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:25,840 these events quite seriously. And she 4453 01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,750 these events quite seriously. And she has moved some of the stuff we discussed 4454 01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:27,760 has moved some of the stuff we discussed 4455 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,830 has moved some of the stuff we discussed onto the record in a couple of prepared 4456 01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:29,840 onto the record in a couple of prepared 4457 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,590 onto the record in a couple of prepared statements. The first one I've just 4458 01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:31,600 statements. The first one I've just 4459 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,070 statements. The first one I've just played for you, but she has also opened 4460 01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:34,080 played for you, but she has also opened 4461 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,629 played for you, but she has also opened up about her memory issues. When I 4462 01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:36,639 up about her memory issues. When I 4463 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:39,030 up about her memory issues. When I confronted her on the existence of these 4464 01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:39,040 confronted her on the existence of these 4465 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,510 confronted her on the existence of these text messages, she seemed to be 4466 01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:41,520 text messages, she seemed to be 4467 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,149 text messages, she seemed to be genuinely surprised. Not just that I had 4468 01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:44,159 genuinely surprised. Not just that I had 4469 01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,750 genuinely surprised. Not just that I had them, but the fact that these 4470 01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:45,760 them, but the fact that these 4471 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,990 them, but the fact that these conversations had happened at all. She 4472 01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:48,000 conversations had happened at all. She 4473 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,629 conversations had happened at all. She had apparently no memory of this 6 4474 01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:50,639 had apparently no memory of this 6 4475 01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:52,950 had apparently no memory of this 6 months of correspondence. Equally 4476 01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:52,960 months of correspondence. Equally 4477 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,550 months of correspondence. Equally surprising to her was the story 4478 01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:54,560 surprising to her was the story 4479 01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,310 surprising to her was the story regarding the premiere of the Brony 4480 01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:56,320 regarding the premiere of the Brony 4481 01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,189 regarding the premiere of the Brony documentary. Even on reflection, she 4482 01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:59,199 documentary. Even on reflection, she 4483 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,189 documentary. Even on reflection, she seems to not be able to place Saber 4484 01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:01,199 seems to not be able to place Saber 4485 01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:03,750 seems to not be able to place Saber Spark at that event. Earlier in this 4486 01:27:03,750 --> 01:27:03,760 Spark at that event. Earlier in this 4487 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,910 Spark at that event. Earlier in this video, I have said that Emily has lied 4488 01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:05,920 video, I have said that Emily has lied 4489 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,390 video, I have said that Emily has lied or at the very least obfiscated her 4490 01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:08,400 or at the very least obfiscated her 4491 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,950 or at the very least obfiscated her wider relationship with Saber Spark. And 4492 01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:10,960 wider relationship with Saber Spark. And 4493 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,350 wider relationship with Saber Spark. And while to an extent, I stand by that 4494 01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:13,360 while to an extent, I stand by that 4495 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,430 while to an extent, I stand by that comment, and I'm not removing it. 4496 01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:15,440 comment, and I'm not removing it. 4497 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,590 comment, and I'm not removing it. Obviously, this does provide a 4498 01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:17,600 Obviously, this does provide a 4499 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,110 Obviously, this does provide a counternarrative, which I think is 4500 01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:19,120 counternarrative, which I think is 4501 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,149 counternarrative, which I think is important to highlight. If Emily really 4502 01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:22,159 important to highlight. If Emily really 4503 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:25,030 important to highlight. If Emily really has no memory of these wider events, 4504 01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:25,040 has no memory of these wider events, 4505 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,270 has no memory of these wider events, that would paint a far more charitable 4506 01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:27,280 that would paint a far more charitable 4507 01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,750 that would paint a far more charitable picture of their mission. But this is, 4508 01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:29,760 picture of their mission. But this is, 4509 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,270 picture of their mission. But this is, of course, a double-edged sword. If 4510 01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:31,280 of course, a double-edged sword. If 4511 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,350 of course, a double-edged sword. If Emily can't remember these wider events, 4512 01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:33,360 Emily can't remember these wider events, 4513 01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,590 Emily can't remember these wider events, then trusting her to accurately 4514 01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:35,600 then trusting her to accurately 4515 01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,910 then trusting her to accurately recollect the exact nature of her 4516 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:37,920 recollect the exact nature of her 4517 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,510 recollect the exact nature of her relationship with Savmark while they 4518 01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:39,520 relationship with Savmark while they 4519 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,229 relationship with Savmark while they were entangled becomes even more 4520 01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:42,239 were entangled becomes even more 4521 01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,390 were entangled becomes even more challenging. I'd hope you'd agree, 4522 01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:44,400 challenging. I'd hope you'd agree, 4523 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,390 challenging. I'd hope you'd agree, though. Those that want to interpret the 4524 01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:46,400 though. Those that want to interpret the 4525 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,709 though. Those that want to interpret the issues with Emily's testimony in that 4526 01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:48,719 issues with Emily's testimony in that 4527 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,870 issues with Emily's testimony in that light can't really be blamed, 4528 01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:50,880 light can't really be blamed, 4529 01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,270 light can't really be blamed, considering the alternative of malice is 4530 01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:53,280 considering the alternative of malice is 4531 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,830 considering the alternative of malice is far more distasteful. Having listened to 4532 01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:55,840 far more distasteful. Having listened to 4533 01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,910 far more distasteful. Having listened to her updated statement, I would take this 4534 01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:57,920 her updated statement, I would take this 4535 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,390 her updated statement, I would take this at the very least as a soft retraction. 4536 01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:00,400 at the very least as a soft retraction. 4537 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,550 at the very least as a soft retraction. If not of the accusations in their 4538 01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:02,560 If not of the accusations in their 4539 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,030 If not of the accusations in their totality, then at least Saber Spark's 4540 01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:05,040 totality, then at least Saber Spark's 4541 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,229 totality, then at least Saber Spark's culpability in her opinion. This more or 4542 01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:08,239 culpability in her opinion. This more or 4543 01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:09,990 culpability in her opinion. This more or less, and funnily enough, seems to line 4544 01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:10,000 less, and funnily enough, seems to line 4545 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,149 less, and funnily enough, seems to line up with my earlier theory crafting on 4546 01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:12,159 up with my earlier theory crafting on 4547 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:13,669 up with my earlier theory crafting on her testimony regarding her 4548 01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:13,679 her testimony regarding her 4549 01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:16,790 her testimony regarding her peopleleasing qualities. After having 4550 01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:16,800 peopleleasing qualities. After having 4551 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,430 peopleleasing qualities. After having had a few hours to, I guess, reflect 4552 01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:19,440 had a few hours to, I guess, reflect 4553 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,990 had a few hours to, I guess, reflect upon these further comments from Emily, 4554 01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:22,000 upon these further comments from Emily, 4555 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,189 upon these further comments from Emily, I'm still not totally sure where I land. 4556 01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:25,199 I'm still not totally sure where I land. 4557 01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,510 I'm still not totally sure where I land. As I said about Lance's video, many of 4558 01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:27,520 As I said about Lance's video, many of 4559 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,229 As I said about Lance's video, many of the things said about this chick are far 4560 01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:30,239 the things said about this chick are far 4561 01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:32,629 the things said about this chick are far more the product of rumor than reality. 4562 01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:32,639 more the product of rumor than reality. 4563 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:34,950 more the product of rumor than reality. And having talked to her, I certainly 4564 01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:34,960 And having talked to her, I certainly 4565 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,070 And having talked to her, I certainly believe her to be deeply troubled. But 4566 01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:38,080 believe her to be deeply troubled. But 4567 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,790 believe her to be deeply troubled. But if nothing else, hopefully these further 4568 01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:40,800 if nothing else, hopefully these further 4569 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,550 if nothing else, hopefully these further comments from Emily will provide Saber 4570 01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:42,560 comments from Emily will provide Saber 4571 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,870 comments from Emily will provide Saber Spark with the vindication the evidence 4572 01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:44,880 Spark with the vindication the evidence 4573 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,590 Spark with the vindication the evidence suggests he deserves. If you've enjoyed 4574 01:28:47,590 --> 01:28:47,600 suggests he deserves. If you've enjoyed 4575 01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,270 suggests he deserves. If you've enjoyed this content, please hit all the usual 4576 01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:49,280 this content, please hit all the usual 4577 01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:50,790 this content, please hit all the usual buttons down below. It does help the 4578 01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:50,800 buttons down below. It does help the 4579 01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,950 buttons down below. It does help the channel out and I do appreciate it. 4580 01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:52,960 channel out and I do appreciate it. 4581 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,550 channel out and I do appreciate it. Thank you to all our current subscribers 4582 01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:54,560 Thank you to all our current subscribers 4583 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,470 Thank you to all our current subscribers and our members, particularly those at 4584 01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:56,480 and our members, particularly those at 4585 01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:59,350 and our members, particularly those at molding levels. Mijimatic, Kai, the Ule, 4586 01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:59,360 molding levels. Mijimatic, Kai, the Ule, 4587 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,270 molding levels. Mijimatic, Kai, the Ule, Rocky B, British Runner, Nim, the 4588 01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:01,280 Rocky B, British Runner, Nim, the 4589 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,350 Rocky B, British Runner, Nim, the Goodra, Advocate, Shell, Based Hos, 4590 01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:03,360 Goodra, Advocate, Shell, Based Hos, 4591 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,270 Goodra, Advocate, Shell, Based Hos, Seance, Lettuce of Sky, Corvvis Caval, 4592 01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:05,280 Seance, Lettuce of Sky, Corvvis Caval, 4593 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,350 Seance, Lettuce of Sky, Corvvis Caval, Rotting Brain, Dr. Zeus hypno stationary 4594 01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:07,360 Rotting Brain, Dr. Zeus hypno stationary 4595 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,990 Rotting Brain, Dr. Zeus hypno stationary name. Hey, it's Lizzy and Star Sprinter. 4596 01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:10,000 name. Hey, it's Lizzy and Star Sprinter. 4597 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,390 name. Hey, it's Lizzy and Star Sprinter. But before I abandon you, there is one 4598 01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:12,400 But before I abandon you, there is one 4599 01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,510 But before I abandon you, there is one other thing we should probably address. 4600 01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:15,520 other thing we should probably address. 4601 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,990 other thing we should probably address. If this does tie up the Saber Spark side 4602 01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:18,000 If this does tie up the Saber Spark side 4603 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,229 If this does tie up the Saber Spark side of this story, that doesn't mean we're 4604 01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:20,239 of this story, that doesn't mean we're 4605 01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,950 of this story, that doesn't mean we're done. Because the wider Black Griffin 4606 01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:22,960 done. Because the wider Black Griffin 4607 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,189 done. Because the wider Black Griffin drama from which this spawned is still 4608 01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:25,199 drama from which this spawned is still 4609 01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,669 drama from which this spawned is still somewhat ongoing. I have seen some 4610 01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:27,679 somewhat ongoing. I have seen some 4611 01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:29,750 somewhat ongoing. I have seen some people claim that my initial coverage 4612 01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:29,760 people claim that my initial coverage 4613 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,669 people claim that my initial coverage was enough to start debunking the 4614 01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:31,679 was enough to start debunking the 4615 01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:34,709 was enough to start debunking the document. And while I'll admit a ball 4616 01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:34,719 document. And while I'll admit a ball 4617 01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,110 document. And while I'll admit a ball has started rolling, I wouldn't describe 4618 01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:37,120 has started rolling, I wouldn't describe 4619 01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,310 has started rolling, I wouldn't describe this as settled by any means. At time of 4620 01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:40,320 this as settled by any means. At time of 4621 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,149 this as settled by any means. At time of recording, I'm not 100% on whether I 4622 01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:42,159 recording, I'm not 100% on whether I 4623 01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:44,629 recording, I'm not 100% on whether I will do a full Black Griffin video. But 4624 01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:44,639 will do a full Black Griffin video. But 4625 01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:47,189 will do a full Black Griffin video. But what I will say is this, that particular 4626 01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:47,199 what I will say is this, that particular 4627 01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,830 what I will say is this, that particular story and the wider players involved are 4628 01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:49,840 story and the wider players involved are 4629 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:53,350 story and the wider players involved are fascinating to me. So, if Black Griffin 4630 01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:53,360 fascinating to me. So, if Black Griffin 4631 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,590 fascinating to me. So, if Black Griffin is prepared to go on the record with me, 4632 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:55,600 is prepared to go on the record with me, 4633 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,750 is prepared to go on the record with me, I will very likely cover this in the 4634 01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:57,760 I will very likely cover this in the 4635 01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,669 I will very likely cover this in the future. Until then, and as always, more 4636 01:30:01,669 --> 01:30:01,679 future. Until then, and as always, more 4637 01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:05,840 future. Until then, and as always, more content to come. Peace.