[Music]
Hi, I can already hear you hidden. This
isn't a Courtney video. I know, but hear
me out. I recently had a call on the 3rd
of October with the YouTuber I Love Kim
Possible a lot. Me and her have been in
contact since her controversy started,
and I was on her staff to help, though I
was never quite present due to my real
life, and we never quite managed to
connect for a call. I was to an extent
fully unaware of how malicious KP can be
and how willingly she obscures things
such as her lying about being no longer
in contact with Courtney despite posting
this screenshot into her server, a
message she clearly got from Courtney.
So, when I got into this call, it was
originally under the premise of
genuinely wanting to help KP improve her
second response and explaining to her
why her first response was perceived so
poorly. KP took it upon herself to lie
to my face directly about a multitude of
things, such as entirely misrepresenting
the cool she had with Becket and
mischaracterizing Becket as someone who
cares not about children being heard in
the DA game situation when it was made
abundantly clear to her beforehand that
Becket was not interested in that
situation. She turned him into a
backstabber and a liar that had bad
intentions at heart because he spoke to
people that knew KP behind the scenes
while she was also talking to people as
well such as Lazy Bed, Mr. surrender and
slug and meanwhile tried to use people
like me, Lio, and Becket to save herself
from the consequences of her actions.
And she even goes out of her way to
perpetuate a lie told to her by Emily,
the Sabers Spark accuser, about Becket
because it fits her narrative of him.
And in the end, she implores my help
with comments for her second response,
which by the way is just as unhinched as
the first. And upon having that pointed
out to me, I realized that I am entirely
uncomfortable with playing a part and
possibly being used as a justification
in someone's weird, self-centered, and
maliciously obscured crusade against
their critics. Because nowhere in here
does it ever seem like KP is actually
interested in accountability, much
rather, it feels like she's suffering
from post-traumatic
disorder with how being asked to take a
minimum of admission of wrongdoing seems
to make her freak out. And unlike KP, I
am a huge fan of transparency when it
comes to my involvement in situation.
So, here's my call with her in full.
Excuse the fact that this failed to
record KP saying hi to me because I'm a
dumbass working OBS along with many
clicks, coughs, and scratches on my
drawing tablet because my mic, just like
KP, decided to be extra sensitive today.
Hello.
I'm good. How are you doing?
>> The imaginings.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, side note, but did you have any um
questions about the mad stuff? I don't
know if he was still bothering you, but
he's kind of um
>> he's he's his own rabbit hole. Like,
it's all good. Like originally I only
reached out cuz I was like, "Huh, maybe
he also like put the allegations he put
towards Courtney into KP server, but
then I saw he didn't." So I was like,
"Whatever." I tried reaching out to him
on my own. He rejected me cuz I'm
associated with Lao. And then I had a
friend reach out. Also got rejected cuz
associated with Lao. So I'm just like
okay. So you're just talking [\h__\h] to
talk [\h__\h] Good to know,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. Um he he um
like this is something I'm trying to not
be more mindful of but just kind of like
notice about things as far as people
um close to me. I got a get a lot of guy
not a lot but like every once in a while
it happens where someone
um is doing stuff for me and then they
de develop the feels and um not that I'm
like so amazingly attractive or anything
like that but um Matt specifically has
always kind of had um
how do I put this in a nice way? Um,
he doesn't he he doesn't like being
challenged. It's always kind of been
like that with him. Even when like when
we were friends, he would kind of assume
things like uh black and whitely and
then I would have to like calm him down
and kind of just like it's not your
fault, man. Kind of thing. Um, so
ba basically he has this um
or he got into the his head that I sided
with um Courtney um with the Bonabel
thing essentially and to to hurt him I
think or something like that because I
wanted to use Courtney for drama views.
So that's what he's like that was his
his mo and Courtney and I have talked
about it like this happened a while ago
but we were like we're not even that
close. So I don't really understand why.
So I don't know.
>> He's very much emotional thinker kind of
dude and he's I don't know if the the
the the Twitter is still up but he would
just like I think
I think he called Courtney anti-semitic
because she said the word Jew for
example. So everyone's an enemy except
him, I guess. I don't know. So I think
he needs probably help, but that's
that's out of my wheelhouse a little
bit. You know, you know, all these all
these people on the internet are a
little bit broken. So
>> yeah, he's like I originally only cared
about him cuz he was putting out like
rooming allegations. So I was like, "Oh,
okay, weird. Let me just look into
that." And then when I reached out to
get like anything from him, he was like
he suddenly went like, "Oh, no. I'm not
going to talk to you." So, I'm like,
"Okay, how real can your grooming
allegations be?" You know, like,
>> "Yeah." Um, some a minor in Courtney's
server called them mom and then and then
Mad's like, "Oh, see, grooming
grooming." And um I'm just like it's
kind of like is is it is it though if if
you know so it's anyway um I I think do
think Courtney kind of makes messes for
herself that she doesn't really um care
to clean up but you know it this is like
that anyway um little sidetracked. So um
I know um I know Lio server hates me. I
know the majority of people hate me and
um I was kind of um I guess to catch you
up. So, um the most
not obnoxious, but the one of the most
vocal people is um this back like Well,
how much do you know about stuff before
I just talk for like five million years?
>> So, I I know pretty much like
everything. Like, I've watched the video
when it came out. I saw the Fallout. I
I've seen Beckett cover it. I've seen I
think Saber's response as well and I've
seen um Mr. Enter's like coverage of it
as well to an extent. So I'm pretty much
in the know and then also obviously Lio
filled me in on a few blanks as well. So
>> okay. Okay. So yeah. Um, basically I um
I was kind of frustrated cuz um Li and I
have already talked about this, but
maybe he hasn't told you about that
this, but like Lio was the one who
originally suggested or recommended that
I talk to Becket and he was like, I
trust Becket. I'm like, okay, Lio. And
um I feel I I know I know my read is
off, but I feel like the most recent
response was
My intention was kind of just to tell
people to to do their own homework.
>> Yeah. And I don't I think
but there's a lot of emotional responses
to a lot of this and my my Q&A is going
to be focused a lot on like
citing laws and stuff like that and like
how everything would kind of turn into
like a legal like not like a legal sense
but just like you know this is like
regardless of who you think who did what
or whatever like not focus, not bringing
up like how this would play, like not
citing any examples or doing any
research and just saying, you know, this
is false because Emily lied is I don't
think incredibly
productive. And I know Beckett in his
like recent stream like called me names.
I think he used the r slur um a couple
of times. Um,
so yeah, I'm trying to just have a level
response where I don't just yell and
scream at people, but it's it's hard to
do when
Yeah. I don't know. I just It's just a
mess, I guess.
>> Yeah. Like I I I know that a lot of
people were originally like, "Oh, you
know, you shouldn't make a response
because people are most likely going to
tear into it anyway." And I know with
this response specifically, a lot of
people felt like it was supposed to be
sort of like accountability, but it came
off as more you're still being like, oh,
you know, I'm still right about these
people, though. Like, I know this all
happened, but I'm still right about it.
And I think people were like, well,
that's not really accountability. It's
like you still trying to push your
agenda. Now, I'm going to be for real. I
I was in the camp of like just don't
make a response because I was in a
similar boat to you like last year
because when the whole thing with Lio
happened, I was one of the people who
was in it. like I was one of the people
who hurt Lio really badly and because
hopeless Peaches no longer is around and
because um you know Lumi was no longer
around, people honed in on me instead
which led to like a lot of things of
myself being like basically leaked to
put it simply where people were very
happy to talk about me really really
negatively calling me like anti-Semitic
and all that and I just ignored it. I I
didn't make a response at any point in
time. I kind of just w like vanished for
a little while and then came back. And
then people were like, "Well, actually,
now that we think about it, you're kind
of not as bad as we thought you were."
And I was like, "I know. Um, you guys
just sucked." Like you guys were just
[\h__\h]
>> Yeah. Like I was basically like you guys
were just [\h__\h] because you wanted to
be [\h__\h] because that was popular at
the time to be like an [\h__\h] to me cuz
like obviously it was because when these
people perceive an opportunity to hate
somebody, they'll take that opportunity
cuz it's what entertains them. So it
doesn't matter whether or not they're
necessarily right or wrong. They just
want to be hateful. And that's why I
didn't engage because I felt like
regardless of how good my reply was
going to be and regardless of like how
great of a reply I would make, they
would not care. They would just be like,
"Oh, well, you still suck cuz I say so."
And it's like, "Okay."
Yeah. Um, I guess my reasoning is like a
I'm I'm I'm getting really really
frustrated with the the DA games child
predation basically going
unchecked because people are just mad
about Saber or whatever stuff. And I'm
just like like Becket I think admitted
at the beginning of the second video,
someone's transcribed it for me cuz I I
I couldn't watch it. I'd be a mess. But
like they were just like he I think he
starts off with saying like hey I'm not
I'm still not going to look into the DA
game stuff and I'm just like okay like I
guess hate on me forever sure but like
you know kids are kind of like there's
been groomers in there. there's been
like people that have been arrested in
there and I don't know like so my my
whole
my whole like frustration is kind of the
lack of education going on here and the
lack of just like Saber's innocent
because
um I want him to be innocent because I
don't want to like I I don't I don't
know. I think it's a mix like honestly
of I think like I think Emily should
have been more vocal but I also think
Saber might have misread what she wanted
>> um as well. So,
I don't know. Like I
I guess that's kind of my angle right
now is just like, okay, like regardless
of who you believe, like these like
here's here's some facts that
you know about like these kind of cases
and like how trauma works and and that
kind of thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I guess that's like the hard
part. The hard part is like coming back
from this in a way that you know people
recognize you for being a human who will
make mistakes. Like I think I said this
myself about you and the server was just
like hey you know obviously KP is new to
this stuff. Obviously this is like the
first time this ever has been handled by
her. So you know it it's not unlikely
that she botched it. Like we can stop
pretending that other people wouldn't
have botched it as well for like you
know if they tried. So being overly
cruel about it is kind of unnecessary,
but I also see a lot of the criticisms
people are making with like, yeah, this
probably could have been done a little
differently. And then obviously the
whole thing about like Courtney and um
you altering the victim statement to an
extent came out and that was obviously a
huge issue cuz like a victim's testimony
is like the greatest added like evidence
that you have in order to go with
things. So when people heard about it
being altered and changed to be more
damaging, it obviously like pulled away
credibility from the accusations being
made because now it felt like framing
more than it felt like coverage. And I
think that's like a huge part that
people have problems with, which a lot
of people like in that regard like
direct their energy more at Courtney
than anything because Courtney's the one
who's like, "Oh, you know, I didn't have
any part in this. I totally didn't have
any influence when she very clearly had.
So, I guess you're spared in that regard
at least a little bit.
>> Okay. I mean, that's fair. I um
I don't think I can address that in a
way that's not going to make people mad,
though. But I guess like my intent with
that was just more clarity than
manipulation.
Um,
you know, like I think I think we
changed like a sentence or two. like it
wasn't as it's not like we wrote the
thing for her, but no, I understand that
that that criticism. That's fair. Um
I guess um
like I don't want to like
like I've already talked a little bit
about Lio about my my just general
frustration. Like I should have never
talked to Becket cuz I didn't realize
how emotionally he invested he already
was in um Saber's
innocence or lack of thereof or whatever
to the point where he's just like I'm
like psych psychologically this might be
happening. He's like I don't care about
psych or psychology. I'm just like this
whole thing is
what? Um there was also a situation
where he got in a call with Emily and he
tried to convince her that her childhood
trauma wasn't
um valid because she didn't advocate for
herself as a child.
>> Um so I got Yeah. So, I got a statement
from Emily about that. And again, like
not
trying to
paint Beckett in any light, but I'm just
kind of really frustrated that
um I gave someone my time for the sake
of like clarifying things, but I thought
he'd focus a little bit more on the DA
game stuff cuz that's for pretty like
there's tons of documentation for that
that's pretty cut and dry. and he kind
of more grilled me and essentially
embarrassed me because he wanted to hurt
my credibility
regarding Saber. And so I I talked to
Lion and was like, "Hey, like I really
regret and um talking to Beck Beckett.
He's pretty like the thing that really
frustrated me um now that I've had some
time to sit with it is um he even before
the
um
the vict the the the the the text logs
of the the Skype chats or whatever came
out. He was he was convinced it like it
was a false rape allegation without any
real
evidence one way the other. It was
because Saber talked to him and Emily
had some baggage in her past. That was
like his his all he needed for for him
to call it a false rape allegation. And
that's
that's misleading at the very I feel
like that's misleading at the very best
because it's not
it's not fact and it's also not looking
in it's not accounting for any of the
trauma responses that either one of them
would have had. And um
I don't know. I I just
And then like he he interviews me. He
interviews like friends I used to be
friends with as a way to like
paint this picture of me just being an
arrogant little um
spoiled child or whatever. So yeah, I
guess I'm just trying to grapple with
everything, but I'm just also frustrated
because there's a lot of biases going
around and like
that are not really
based in any factual information besides
like people like you know people just
wanting Saber to be innocent.
>> Yeah.
>> Like regardless. I don't know. Does that
that make any sense? Like
>> no, I I see it. Like the problem a lot
of times around is like when a bigger
content creator makes like a and I'm I'm
going to call what Becca did sort of
like a hit piece because that's kind of
what it is. It it leads it leads to the
audience for obvious reasons being like,
"Oh, you know, since my favorite content
creator said this, it must be true and
they stop doing their own research
because it's easier to rely on somebody
else's opinion than on your own." But
like I guess the other problem is like
because of like everything that's come
out about the video and about Emily, the
it's not so much that people don't want
to believe the allegations, but it's
more that people cannot anymore because
of how like problematic everybody
involved in the situation was. because
you have Emily who will actively hide
her her identity despite having her own
platform and then you know originally
coming out with being like hey you know
I think he thought there was consent
because it was implied but there wasn't
and then allowing Courtney to change
that which comes off as like
manipulating it to make it look worse
when originally that seems to have been
her own opinion and then people like
like you know Sophie Strugs or whatever
her name is I I keep forgetting Um like
um
>> these damn horse people.
>> These damn horse people. I swear. No. Um
like people like her who have this weird
parasocial relationship with Claire
where when Claire was interviewed, she
actually said, "I don't even know who
this person is. Like I had to be
reminded of who they are because we
interacted that little." But then on the
other hand, you have Sophie like showing
herself off as like Claire's friend,
which that's a whole problem in itself
because, you know, there's a level of
relationship that's just not there. And
then you have people like, you know,
Brony Fandon obviously attached to it,
which we don't we don't have to talk
about why that's a problem because oh my
god. Um
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was um I He's He's very
mentally unstable. That was my kind way
of putting in the script of just like,
you know, he he just kind of after like
things weren't going as well as he
thought they were, he just kind of did
his own thing. And, you know, it's
really weird like like just from a um a
time a timeline perspective of
someone saying, "I'm not going to throw
you under the bus." Like, that is the
screenshot I have. And then he throws me
under the bus like I think within hours.
>> Yeah. Like that's just stuff where it's
like it leads to people being like
looking at the accusations being put out
and being like, "hm, if these are the
people who talk about these allegations,
I kind of have a hard time believing
them." And I think that's sort of like
the problem that led up to like people
no longer giving you and everybody else
credibility cuz now it just every like
it felt like everybody was the best that
had their own closet like skeletons in
their closet, their own like things that
made them untrustworthy.
And I know um I know Mr. Venture has
made a response to you like to your your
apology video coming out. Um and where
he like he basically calls you a liar as
far as I'm aware. And I was like, you
know what? Um I'm not keeping up
anymore. I don't I don't know what's
going on anymore. But I think a lot of
people have expected a video where you
kind of were like, hey, you know, I'm
sorry. I kind of botched this. This was
never my intention to do. And then just
be done with it. But a lot of people
felt like hm it kind of feels
disingenuous and rather more like KP is
still trying to you know prove that she
was within her right to do what she did
and people were just being mean to her
about it which I agree a lot of like the
the harsher language used with you is
like you know we don't really need that
to make a point. I can make a point of
hey that video was bad without insulting
you. So, I'm kind of like I wish people
didn't just go to that to be like,
"Yeah, you know, I'm going to insult
this person because they made a bad
video." But it ultimately all comes down
to people want accountability in the
form of like a sincere apology.
Essentially, an apology that's just
like, "I'm sorry. I messed up. Um,
here's how I messed up. I'm not going to
do it again." And, you know, I'm sorry.
But, you know, I wouldn't know how to
structure an apology video for the life
of me cuz I never had to make one. Most
of the apologies I deliver, I delivered
to people personally. So,
>> I suppose it'd be kind of hard to make a
video now because you already have your
first response out. And this is like,
you know, people will always refer back
to that response. So, your second one
actually has to be a like proper banger
for people to even remotely take it
seriously.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's not even supposed
to be it's just supposed to like I I
mentioned it in the in the beginning. It
was it's just a Q&A. So like it's just
more
I mean I can show you what I have. No, I
I get what you're saying. It's just that
I think what people were really looking
forward looking for were like
like do you think there was an
expectation that I that I was going to
discredit Emily? Like is that what
people were really looking for? Do you
think?
>> I mean in parts possibly. I think people
were were like looking for you to be
like well these allegations purported to
me were based on a victim's testimony
and I was trying to you know get that
out to people but while doing so I may
have taken things you know a step too
far or I've presented things as a fact
when they were in fact not. So, I think
a lot of people are mostly looking to
see you admitting to whether or not
you're you're like understanding of the
fact that these allegations should have
been presented by Emily herself and now
that they've they've been presented
through like I'm going to use another
person's platform and I'm going to, you
know, I'm going to hide who I am, it all
feels very sketchy. So, I think it's not
necessarily like discrediting, but
rather looking at like, you know, this
is not a hard yes or no thing because
that's how most people see it. Most
people are like, this is not a yes, it
happened or a no, it didn't happen
situation, but rather a he said, like he
said, she said situation where you have
to come to your own conclusions. And a
lot of people, I think, looked at your
video and weren't too happy that
everything was presented as if it was
proven fact when it kind of wasn't.
I I guess but like um I'm like
I'm trying to think like I I mean I
haven't seen the main video in a bit
like so maybe correct me if you've seen
it before, but like were they did I not
use like the word allegations enough or
like how did I how do you how
specifically do you think I misled
people if that was the conclusion?
>> I mean I guess it came mostly down to
like the whole presentation. I think you
used like you said allegations but like
I with the tone and everything
especially with the Courtney bit and
everything where you were like trying to
disprove well not you but Courtney was
trying to disprove the whole implied
consent bit. It felt like even if Emily
was giving him the grace of like there
might have been a misunderstanding on
whether or not I was okay with it, you
shut it down immediately in favor of
making the allegation more severe by
saying that implied consent doesn't
exist. Like this would be one example I
could think of because like if Emily if
the victim it like them themselves the
victim herself wants to give Saber that
kind of credibility and be like hey you
know maybe just maybe there was a
misunderstanding.
I think people would have looked kinder
upon the situation if it was framed like
that because the way it was originally
shown to the world was this was rape and
then which it was changed very briefly
into actually it might have been a
misunderstanding and then switched back
to oh it's rape and these are all
allegations and obviously an allegation
of rape can be really really awful for
people's like careers and stuff. So,
>> I guess a lot of people felt like at
that point you were trying like as a
whole like your whole group like um
Courtney, you and even Emily to an
extent were trying to present these
allegations as fact like as if they were
objectively true even though allegations
were said because you were trying to
disprove the little grace that he could
have gotten out of this. And then
there's obviously a lot of people who
look at you and Sabers Spark's
interactions where people feel like,
"Oh, you're just mad at Sabers Spark
over something and that's why you picked
this up." Which is not the motivation
you should have when doing this. Which
like I can't prove or disprove that and
I don't want to like I don't think I
that is not my thing to do, but that I
know that that's how some people see it
where they're like, "Oh, KP was mad at
Sabersburg. That means that the only
reason this allegations is even being
platformed is because she doesn't like
him and that's, you know,
>> No, no. Um,
I've had my frustrations with Saber in
the past, but I try like my my general
frustration was how he was handling the
Chris stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> And how
he
it was more of he he checked with Chris
but didn't check with me. He didn't
really understand the bigger picture of
it being told within like
like within DA game space and wi with
Will specifically and stuff like that.
And then when I just said like, "Oh, I
tried to talk. I tried to get a hold of
Saber. Didn't hear anything back." He's
just like he just like spits at me. And
I'm just like, "Dude, like
you know, you didn't seem like you were
interested in talking about this
before." And then for clarity, I tried
to email
just just so you know, I'm sure you've
seen stuff, but like I tried to email um
didn't get anything back and then I then
I got frustrated at that point cuz he
was here he is complaining publicly that
I never emailed him directly and when I
tried to he just ignores it. So, um, and
you know, there's there's other things
that aren't as damning that
I hear. Um, that was a lot of the stuff
that was blocked out. It's just like I
don't think it was like I I I didn't
have
enough that I felt comfortable
presenting it publicly. But like, you
know, I'm um I'm friends with uh not
Henry, but someone else on staff, and
like he like I don't know how true the
stories are, but you know, they they
they were upsetting from what I could
tell. And it just um
you know, it's it's it's hard to see.
Yeah.
um kind of not not like I guess the
mismanagement that was implied and kind
of the
the stuff that you know I had second
secondhand accounts for. So, but yeah,
that's why I didn't um
I didn't go into that stuff publicly um
essentially. But um
but but yeah, I think that's that that
makes more sense though. I can address
the Courtney stuff um being
like it wasn't meant to be I I think
what I wanted my intent with that was
try was trying to get like cuz I have no
experience with with sexual ass any
anything and Courtney obviously does.
>> Yeah. So it was it was kind of trying to
get it from someone else's perspective
that had more familiarity with it and I
didn't really I guess you know I didn't
understand how much that made it look
like
like black and white or I should have
just like if I was going to do that I
should have said like here's Courtney's
perspective but you know here are the
legal definitions too and make up your
own mind kind of
Um,
>> yeah. So, that's kind of what I'm
leading with this video is just kind of
resolidifi or my my goal, which I can
let you look over stuff, but like
resolidifying that
it was this is like when I said go watch
Emily's video, it was more about trying
to get people to do their own research.
And um here are some things that are
problematic that when discussing these
stories anyway.
>> And you know at the end of the day like
believe who you want but you know you
got you can't just say oh psychology
doesn't matter when talking about this
stuff or like becket
you know saying things are fact when
they're not they're not objectively fact
you know which is kind of
misleading. Like I don't know if Lia
told you, but like he Becket um Becket
confronted me and like I was convinced
at the time that like he was he was
telling the truth and he made me cry cuz
I was just like, "Oh man, if I thought
Emily he's he was convinced that Emily
did this out of mition."
>> Yeah.
>> I Yeah. And uh that I was just like a
stupid idiot for even trying to believe
her. And then when I got some spa, like
this is what I'm going to articulate in
the video, but like once I got some
space from it, I'm just like, wait a
minute. Like this isn't
this isn't this isn't factually correct.
This is just like someone like and I
don't know anything about Becca, but
maybe he got like a sense a big sense of
responsibility since he was getting
interviews with these people. But I
don't know. I can't it's he's hard to
read. Um, like I don't want to overstep
as like someone actively insulting me
and, you know, calling me slurs and
stuff like that. I'm trying to give
grace, but at the same time, I'm just he
seems really emotionally invested in
the like the fact that Saber is
innocent. And I think that
also can be problematic if you're
speaking about these kind of things as
an authority.
>> Yeah, if that makes sense.
>> Yeah. Like
>> I I get that. Like Becket is he's he's
certainly a guy. Like I I got
>> Yeah. like I got to know him under like
different pretenses than you because
like I didn't know he existed until he
started talking about me. And that
obviously left like a really negative
impression of me because I was like oh
my god like you're a [\h__\h] [\h__\h]
What's wrong with you? And then after a
while I realized that okay he's doing
this because this is what you know he's
basically just laughing at somebody
being dumb on the internet. Fair enough.
I was being dumb on the internet so he
wasn't that wrong in that instant. Was
it like super cool? No, but at least he
was somewhat responsible like
responsible about it in my case because
he like when people in his chat started
wilding out and making accusations that
weren't true, he did shut them down and
he was like, "Hey, you know, like this
is not what I said. You guys need to
stop." So, I I've known him as somebody
who's trying to be the first he can be
before he speaks, but I wouldn't put it
like past him to have personal biases
cuz let's be honest, everybody has
personal biases all the time. So, like,
>> right,
>> it it wouldn't surprise me if he had
like grown a bias over you and now he's
just like seeing you in a really
negative light. But at the same time,
I'm also like always want to foster
like, hey, you know, you can always talk
to one another, even if it's like
non-public, right? Like even if it's
just between you two, to fight figure
out what happened there and why he said
the things he did because I couldn't
tell you. Like that's like the biggest
problem. It's like I I can't really give
you his intentions because I don't know
him that well and I I don't know why he
said what he said. So the only way that
you would probably know why he said what
he said is when like if you were
speaking to him. And I understand that
you might not want that because of the
things he said. But I also like think
like it would give you some sort of
closure and might write some things that
he thinks about you because he had a
very like similar thing with Lazy
Bedhead. I think where he came in guns
blazing with very specific assumption of
like who Lazy is and like what they do.
And then when they actually spoke to one
another again, it was like, "Oh,
wait a minute. I was wrong." So, like
mayhaps that's an idea you could pursue
where you could speak to him and be
like, "Hey, you know, you said some
really [\h__\h] up [\h__\h] about me and you
made assumptions that aren't true.
Here's what actually happened." But like
that's obviously up to you. So,
>> Right. Well, I guess I don't want to
like cuz cuz my thing is just like okay
like my guy like
you know it it it was to the point where
if I didn't explain myself very well and
I just like
it said something that was could be
interpreted as like a dismissal for
instance.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it was that was read in bad light.
So, like I can't I feel like,
you know, maybe I'm open to that, but
like regardless, I'm also really
frustrated with the fact that he's
presenting this stuff as fact when it's
not. And I'm like, well, what about
trauma psychology? He's like, I don't
care about that. And I'm just like, then
why are you covering this if you don't
care about
or like you don't care about the kids
getting hurt? Like why? Like why are you
why are you here? So I guess I'm just
kind of confused in that way. Like I
don't want to like like I don't want to
embarrass him too much. I don't want to
like be a be a [\h__\h] back to him, but
like I am really frustrated at this
point. And I am frustrated because he's
basically
like it's danger like that that kind of
mentality is dangerous. like regardless
of who you believe like he's not looking
up it doesn't seem like he's doing any
research as far as like what legal
definitions are like he was like a good
example too was the Chris stuff is he
was like that like he was he was adamant
that that was just a joke and then when
I started doing like research about it
I'm just like no this is this could this
is considered a crime like even if Chris
lied about it
>> so that makes me think that he was
convinced by Sabers someone else who was
just saying it was just a joke and kind
of basing his read on the situation on
on that without
doing his own homework before forming.
Does that make sense?
>> Yeah. No, I I definitely see that. But
that's why I'm like, you know, I'm a
little like, okay, maybe a conversation
between you guys would be necessary
because at least that way you can just
voice your frustration to him and be
like, hey, you know, what you did here
sucked ass and here's why. and then he
can explain his reasoning because I
think like the guesswork is often what
leads to problem like between people
where it's like you make assumptions of
one another and then because of those
assumptions you say things that you know
might incite [\h__\h] basically and then in
the like if you were to talk to each
other suddenly it's like oh this all
makes sense now like
>> that's why I'm like you know maybe
before you know anything goes live or
you you address him publicly it's a good
idea to seek that personal conversation
and just go, hey, you know, this this
was kind of a little messy. Why did you
do that? Like, you know, here's my
intention. Here's your intentions.
Here's where you went wrong. Here's
where I went wrong. And then he on part
will probably also address that and
actually issue corrections where
necessary cuz like he's not one to keep
up [\h__\h] where he's lying basically. So,
if if it was pointed out to him that
he's gotten stuff wrong, I'm pretty sure
he'll happily like make a correction.
>> Yeah. No, I I I I I like if this was a
normal person, I I see what you mean,
but like as someone who kind of went in
with the best intentions, didn't really
want to talk to him, but you know, Lio
vouched for his character and I'm like,
"Okay, I can explain the video bad and I
can redirect people to like the actual
documentation with for the DA game stuff
and I can like, you know, do X, Y, and
Z." But like once I sat down and saw the
coverage and just saw like or the
original coverage and just his his
interpretations, his
it it just doesn't seem like there's a
lot of common ground unless he's willing
to admit that he he also presented some
stuff um factually when it wasn't that.
And I don't know if he's if he has that
kind of humility, I guess, based on how
he's acting now. And like then he got in
a fight with Twitter on with Courtney on
Twitter and then did a like a 4-hour
live stream about Courtney, which he
mentioned before. So, like, not that I
really care about Courtney versus
Becket, but it just doesn't seem it just
doesn't read as someone who's incredibly
stable when they're getting to like when
they like when they're engaging with
that kind of stuff anyway and getting
mad and then having to live stream rant
about it, you know?
>> Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I think the
the whole live stream thing came from
the fact that uh Courtney called him a
rapist and a rape offender. So, I I'mma
be for real. If somebody said that to
me, yeah, I would probably also stream
about them because like what the [\h__\h] is
wrong with you essentially at that
point. So yeah,
>> I I know that that's probably the like
cause of why exactly he went to stream
because he's been and as are many people
or as many people have been, they were
incredibly quiet about Courtney up until
now because a lot of people see Courtney
as like this this poor victim who can't
be criticized cuz the only reason she's
lashing out is because she had such
terrible experiences. Which sure on one
hand you can give her grace for that and
be like I understand that you know you
probably aren't in the best mental space
so you lash out at people but on the
other hand like going on your public
platform and calling somebody
disagreeing with you a rapist or going
as far as to wish death on them or tell
them to kill themselves which is what
she did to Mr. Enter.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh Courtney.
>> Yeah. Like that was that was not cute.
And this is like kind of the stuff that
people have ignored up until this point.
But I think when it went to like towards
like Becket personally, that was when he
was like, "No, I'm going to talk about
Courtney because what the [\h__\h] is all
this?" Cuz like a lot of us are aware of
everything Courtney does. We just don't
talk about it. So, I think it's less
about like over the fight and more about
like why would you say this about me in
public? Especially if you claim to be
like a CSA advocate like or an SA
advocate in general. Like that's
incredibly [\h__\h] up to do.
>> No, I I I agree. I think Courtney
doesn't really think about
um how she words things. And then when
people
I don't I don't remember this this one
specifically, but like with the CSA
victim in the stuff in the comments, she
was m more mad that this the girl was
positioning herself as like like or she
felt like the girl was positioning
herself as like an e like the only
expert in in trauma.
>> Yeah.
>> And and I get that, but that wasn't
articulated well. and then then she
didn't, you know, she kind of lashed out
at that person, which I also don't think
was probably the um the the answer to
that. So, I think if she calmly
explained like, "Hey, this is why I got
upset. This is what it sounded like to
me." Like, but she's she's just not that
that not that I'm making excuses for
her. This is just kind of her
personality.
>> Yeah. She she has a habit of like not
being able to say the word sorry. that's
just kind of in her, ingrained in her.
And like,
>> yeah,
>> I do think that Becket definitely would
give you a chance when you spoke to him
because ultimately he's also interested
in getting the truth out. So, if he if
he learns that he did something wrong,
then he would absolutely be willing to
correct that publicly too and stand on
business and be like, "Hey, you know, I
[\h__\h] this up. My apologies." which you
know he's one of the rare commentary
bros who will do that because most
commentary bros will be like um actually
you're the one who's wrong because I
said so so screw you. So I think you
know and the the good thing about this
would also be that it would show some
growth on your end because it would it
would be like oh you know Courtney Lal
KP learned and KP's like I would rather
have a conversation before I make a
public video and you know I would rather
see if I can get all the facts and you
know straighten things out before I go
anywhere. So that's kind of why I'm
like, "Hey, you know, maybe maybe you
should talk to him and see like, you
know, where frustrations lie on both
sides and then eventually, you know,
make a response based on that where it's
like, hey, you know, I've spoken to
Becket. We like we aired our [\h__\h] out.
We either arrived at like the conclusion
of common ground or we made the decision
to not interact anymore or anything of
the sorts. Because what that
communicates to your audience is like,
oh, you know, this is less about
bullying or like putting somebody down
publicly and more about actually looking
for a solution. So that's kind of what I
think people are also looking for where
it's like I know a big criticism of your
your Saber Spark like your response um
when you made it was that you were still
pushing stuff about Saber Spark and
stuff that Saber Spark did wrong and
then you went on to people mistreating
you and that felt like you were pushing
the blame away from you like you were
being like oh you know I'm still right
and all these people are wrong and all
these people suck and you shouldn't be
mean to me which I'm sure is not what
you wanted it to come off as like, but
that's how people read it because, you
know, people spoke about it. So, you
know,
>> um why can't people stop being mean to
me? Um, no. I mean,
no, I I get what you're saying, but I
just don't know
based on how he's acted before and based
on how he's kind of he's he's where he's
putting his priorities. Yeah.
>> Um,
that's my that's my concern. And like
kind of when I when I post when I sent
them him that DM, it was more just like,
hey, you know,
everything you everything I I ever said
to you was kind of distorted in a
negative view
like, and I'm kind of disappointed that
there was also not lack of there was
lack of research done here, here, here.
Um, and then he goes and like, you know,
if you have I I think I think I even
said like if you have any more
questions, you can go to Lio. Like it
wasn't like I was just cutting him off
regardless, but he read that as like I
think he read that as like unhinged or
something like that. And I'm just like,
okay, that I can't
like where do I go from that, you know?
Like I I I just don't want to walk I
based on his like
I think if it was after the first video
and after he was he was like hey you
know like he was willing to talk about
the DA game stuff and he was willing to
kind of he was more careful about how
he's reporting this um with the language
he's using I'd be more open to it. But
like after um
after how he's read everything I've ever
told him, you know, I'm just h I I don't
want to like,
you know, it's the same thing why like
I'm I'm saying I don't really want to
engage with Enter is like Enter came out
and and started calling me liar and
started like patronizing me. I'm just
like, man, I don't even know you. like
these are all just assumptions based on
however you're getting the information.
And um like something I I was really
frustrated with is um like in my first
statement where I said like um I've
never done anything like this before, he
was like, "Oh, she's lying because the
Lily Orchard video." And I'm just like,
"No, I mean, as far as breaking a story
like this because the the majority of
the Lily stuff was already covered in
other places." So, he didn't he didn't
ask. He just assumed I was lying. And
now I have to be like, "Oh, well, KP
lied about this, this, and this." I'm
just like, "Well, who told you like I
lied about that?" Like, "What did like
he didn't seem to ask for any
clarification. He just kind of said KP
lied." So, it's just like I don't want
to give my time for someone that's just
going to mind me for content too at this
point. if that makes sense.
>> I mean, that's fair. Like, for me, it's
mostly I'm looking at it from like a a
perspective of like how things are going
to come off to the audience basically
because if you like I think the problem
is that if you were to make that like
Q&A, um it would be important to leave
like interpersonal stuff out of it and
like only address really factual stuff.
So, stuff like you know Beckett
factually got wrong, stuff like Mr.
entry that you know he got factually
wrong rather than you know oh you know I
I dislike this person for XY reason or
this person dislikes me for XY reasons
because this is like to an audience it
always reads as well you shouldn't
believe this person cuz like I don't
like them and they're mean or whatever.
So I I think what people have always
looked for when it comes to you um
responding to this whole thing was just
like you know whole transparency on your
own flaws without like really addressing
anybody else's flaws basically like the
just like a straight you know I did this
here's why um this was why it's wrong
I'm sorry because that's like sort of
the structure of a good apology where
it's like here's what I did here's why I
understand it's wrong here's how it's
not going to happen again and you know
I'm sorry. So that's like sort of the
structure people are looking for because
with how much attention is on you at
this point and how much like people are
viewing you in a critical light
everything you're going to put out is
going to be like torn apart for pieces
to look at anything they can use to turn
against you. So that's why like I'm
mostly looking at it from the
perspective of like okay what can we
solve behind the scenes over what what
really does need to be public. So that's
why I'm like maybe you should talk to
Becket maybe you should talk to Mr.
Enter maybe you know you can see
whatever interpersonal stuff can be
resolved behind the scenes and then you
can make a response where you're like
you know I spoke to Mr. Enter and here's
the consensus we reached where we talked
about everything. I spoke to Beckett.
Here's how, you know, we reached our
consensus. And so, you know, all of that
is done in good. We're fine. And, you
know, I [\h__\h] up this video. I [\h__\h]
up letting Courtney on this video. I
[\h__\h] up, you know, presenting these
allegations in the manner that they
deserved. And I'm sorry. And, you know,
it's not going to happen again
essentially.
>> Um,
no. I mean, I I guess like it just my my
biggest my biggest frustrations with
Beckett specifically is his own like
like the fact that he went in blazing
saying saying this is a false report
because Emily is shaky at best kind of
thing. And I think
I think that's like
I don't know. I I I guess I I just feel
like that's like I I understand what
you're saying and I don't mind
clarifying that. That's fine. But I
guess like to say with your full chest
that this is a false rape allegation
without like with um circum
circumstantial evidences at best is
incredibly
um like there's a lot of um discussion
about like other YouTubers saying like
well this was just my opinion. And I'm
just like, that's great that it was just
your opinion, but do you understand the
reach that you had? Like for like
cartoon shoes specifically, like that
was one of the things he said. And I'm
just like, yeah, but like when the video
is down and I haven't had a chance to
respond and the only um access people
are having about the information is from
your video where you're saying things
that could be that are opinions that
could be um misinterpreted as fact. Like
that's that's objectively harmful. So,
um, you know, I don't like the fact like
just based on how
like
I I guess suffice to say
I'm open, but like I'm not
like
I would like mutual
like understanding that like hey, you
know, I did X, Y, and Z wrong, too. Like
I don't want to be this the [\h__\h]
scapegoat when there's I think there's
mutual things that have been going wrong
behind the scenes. Like I don't want to
just go in there to be yelled at because
I believe someone um
and it's false because I say so because
I like this content creator. Does that
make sense too?
>> Yeah. Like I I get that like a good way
to circumvent that is always by um
getting in a mediator. So by having a
neutral party that you know doesn't care
for either of you to put it like I know
this sounds really mean but it's
basically like the easiest way to like
describe a perfect media. It needs to be
somebody that doesn't give a [\h__\h] about
either of you who's just there to keep
the conversation on track and to to make
sure that if things are getting heated
people calm down and reassess before
they start going again. So, you know,
that would probably be a good idea
rather than having it be just him and
you where things can escalate rather
quickly because obviously um and have
like, you know, somebody in there who's
like, "Okay, we're here to talk about
XYZ. You know, here's how we're going to
do it. Here's what, you know, this could
mean and so on and so forth just to make
sure that there's like even ground and
to have somebody step in in case
something goes like, you know, in
because like these conversations are
never easy, right? they're they're never
going to be easy because it's always,
you know, emotional to an extent. So
having somebody there who can be like,
hey, you know, shut the [\h__\h] up and take
a breather before you keep going is a
good idea in those instances. And it
would also make you feel less like
you're putting like you're being put on
the spot where somebody's like, hey, you
did something wrong. Justify yourself
immediately. Right. So
>> no, no, I get it. I guess um it's just
based on
how Becket has already framed the story
before I even talked to him. There's
already definitely some biases going on.
And he already basic like I think like
Lia was the mediator, but I'm I'm kind
of I was I'm kind of frustrated in
hindsight that Lia when like Beckett was
like telling me that everything was
false. Becca didn't like Li didn't say
like hey now just you know like Emily
might be shaky but that doesn't
necessarily mean she's lying about this
too. So maybe Lio didn't want to like
interrupt. Maybe there was not enough
like information to make a um make that
call. But like,
you know, I I guess my point is like
I've I've tried a mediator and unless
there's a different mediator, it doesn't
seem like it seems like it's just going
to be KP's wrong. And
um I'm right. And that's like I felt
like I was because like when I watched
the um his video that he did, like I I
felt like I was trapped essentially
because everything I said was KP's just
stupid. KP is just dumb. KP just doesn't
know any better. She's just so [\h__\h]
dumb. Um like there was no nuance that
you like he wasn't it's didn't seem to
me like he was willing to
change anything about his narrative
based on talking to me at all. um or be
open to what I had to say because he
already had made a decision and he
already characterized me as someone who
just was too stupid to
um
was just too stupid to to to and and did
stupid things.
Um,
so, um, yeah, I guess we're talking in
circles, but like I get it, but it just
I guess like at this point it just seems
like his biases are so clear that I
don't think like I'm going to get
through to him about what I'm frustrated
with. I think he's just going to be
like, you know, to the point where it's
like name calling now and calling me
slurs and what he what the other
whatever else he said. the
um
trust fund baby. So now I got people
saying, "Oh, you could have paid your
editors because you were a trust fund
baby. You just chose not to." And I'm
just like, "Where are you getting this
stuff, man?" Um,
so I guess like I'm I'm open like I'm
kind of open if we want to talk to Lio
about it, but like I guess I'm just I'm
just really frustrated in the fact that
like like the the main reason why I was
supposed to talk to Becket um in general
or the thing that I was you know I
wanted to talk about it was like how
like you know there's really problematic
stuff going in on this community and
with kids and stuff like that. He didn't
seem like he
and still doesn't give a [\h__\h] because
it's not where his
interests lie.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah.
>> No.
>> So, like Yeah. Go ahead.
>> No, no. I was just about to say I get
that like ultimately it's up to you
whether or not you want to do it.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm just
>> Yeah.
>> I I I I know. I guess like I don't like
I'd be open to it if
based on every all of my experiences
with Becca up to this point haven't been
borderline slanderous. Um just in how
he's how he's used my interactions
basically essentially to his benefit.
And now he's just like, "Well, KP made a
video I didn't like. I'm going to
embarrass her more by looking with DMs
that she gave me to try to clarify the
situation to embarrass her. And it it
doesn't seem like I'm dealing with like
a rational human being, if that makes
sense.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> no, that's completely fair. Like
ultimately I think what this now all
comes down to is the Q&A being received
well and people you know understanding
your motivations understanding that this
wasn't made in maliciousness that you
know you willing to accept that you some
of this was you know didn't go the way
it was supposed to where mistakes were
made essentially and then from then on
it's kind of just like rebuilding
yourself like people are going to hold
it against you regardless of what you
do. Like even if you if you come out
with the most banger like response that
you ever could, like the best apology
ever known to YouTube, people are still
going to be like, "Oh, you know what?
Remember when you did this?" Like, it's
it's kind of just how it goes. And
eventually what will happen is that you
know after you prove through your
actions that you're you're improving
basically they're going to start moving
on because they're going to be like well
now all this kind of doesn't apply
anymore because like she's changed and
she's gone better and they're going to
come around. It will take some while. It
took like over a year for me before
things truly started calming down and
things became normal again. But it's
going to happen at some point. It's like
obviously it's going to suck, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. I've I've I've I've
unfortunately been here before, but like
um just just just oh me like um so I can
basically I have the majority of the Q&A
done and I was going to also end it with
like a whole like
until this goes to a court, we will
never know. Here's cases where it went
in the accusers beh favor. Here's cases
when where it went in the accused
behavior. like, you know, do your own
research and, you know,
whatever. It's just
>> Yeah.
>> You know, when we're doing when we're
doing these kind of stories, we can't
pretend trauma responses aren't relevant
when they're how people respond when
they're in traumatic situations. Like,
I'm sorry. like, you know, it's just
like, oh, facts don't matter, guys,
because I'm I really like Saber Spark,
and God forbid he he's made a mistake,
you know, like even if it just comes
down to a mistake, like
Yeah. Like that's completely fair.
>> Yeah. Like it's completely fair to point
out that, you know, biases are not a
good way to like shape your your
opinions on somebody. Like just because
you like somebody, it doesn't mean that
they can't do heinous [\h__\h] essentially.
like, you know, regardless of whose side
you're on, you should always look at the
facts and the evidence that's out there
and then come to your own conclusions.
So, I think, you know, including that is
completely fine to be like, "Hey, you
know, you guys need to do your own
research and stop taking other content
creators words for fact cuz like
>> they might be biased too, you know?"
>> Right. Right. And like that's Go up,
Toby. Sorry. Um, that's my dog. Um,
yeah, he's he's a cooty. Um, yeah, you
you probably saw him in the video. I
did. I think I think the only good thing
like someone someone left a comment or I
think in the server it's just like,
well, at least KP's dog is cute. And I'm
just like, oh man, that bad. Um,
but yeah, like I guess I can show you
what I have and that's kind of the angle
I'm going to lead with and then uh I'll
tell Lia the same. And if like Becket
calms the [\h__\h] down and is willing to
admit that maybe like calling me slurs
was not the best move, but he seems very
like just by the fact that he's like,
"I'm not going to cover the DA game
stuff or I'm still not going to even
look bother to look into that." Like
then it doesn't seem like you're doing
your job, man. Like, you know, that was
what I led with. I don't know. It just
it just throws me the wrong way that
he's just like I'm going to be mad about
this and not like get attention to other
things because I'm just mad like it just
it just seems like a lack of
um due diligence I guess at the end of
the day.
>> Yeah.
>> Like
Okay. So, let me uh What's your email?
I'll send you what I
>> Oh, yeah. Let me let me
>> Yeah, the script's um pretty much done.
It's just more me saying here are legal
things. Here are this is how people
manipulate people. You know, this is how
these laws happen. You know, that kind
of thing. So, yeah.
>> I appreciate your help, by the way.
Thanks for helping.
>> Oh, you're you're fine. Like, obviously,
you know, I'm I'm often busy because I
work and then I have Lio Server on my
hands at times and then I have Lio on my
hands at times. So, you know, I'm always
like everywhere. So, um that's why I
kind of disappeared for a while because
I was like, "Oh god, everything's on
fire. Help." So, you know,
>> yeah, it's been on fire. But yeah, that
was um like one of like my frustration
is one of the
cuz I had a really bad um like knows
this and I think that's why he sat like
he he he helped me with with um with
Becket, but like I guess he probably
on hindsight maybe there needed to be a
little bit more firmer
like how do I put this like I understand
his motivation was to get Becca to talk
to me so Becca could go a little less
harsh but I guess that also didn't
remove the biases there and I think Lia
was trying to play peacekeeper to be
like well it's going to be better if
KP's here than it's it's going to be
that with KP not
So, um I think that was probably his um
MMO. But like, you know, I'm reasonable.
I'll talk to people. It's just a matter
of if people are going to
respect, which maybe maybe in a week or
two, like we'll revisit it. But
>> yeah. No, like that's completely fine.
Like ultimately, I'm not sitting here.
I'm like, "Oh my god, you need to make a
decision now or else, you know." No, no.
I guess I'm just trying to like trying
to
just clarify like that, you know, I'm
open to it at some point, but I guess I
just need to feel like I'm safe and I'm
not going to be [\h__\h] on for like having
to use weed as a coping mechanism for
like a very traumatic
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That was another one I think.
>> Yeah. Like I I I get that. Like
ultimately, you know, it's also best to
just like take a breather and like look
at how you feel about things and assess
yourself because, you know, I had I I
said this about Jar like just a robot
where it was like the reason that half
of his replies were [\h__\h] garbage is
because he made them emotionally. He
just instead of like calming down and
taking a breather, he immediately went
to reply to stuff and that's how you
know we have a lot of [\h__\h] now
because he just said things to defend
himself rather than just sitting down
and being like, "Oh, wait. Actually,
these people are kind of right, you
know. So,
>> I I don't
>> Yeah.
>> Um No, I was just going to Did I Did I
spell that right? Maybe I didn't spell
that right. Um but anyway, um I've
always told Lio I I I don't pay
attention to those like other people's
dramas. So, um he's like, "Where were
you when this happened?" I was like, "I
don't know. I just I don't pay
attention." So, I know almost nothing
about things. Um here, I'll give you
commentator.
um powers that be. Um
yeah, sorry to sorry to interrupt, but
like
>> No, you're fine.
>> What What What is that even about by the
way? Like is he just I think Lio said
he's just kind of a content creator that
tried to align himself with bigger
content creators so that way if he got
in trouble it would be like World War I
where everyone kind of jumps in and
helps him. Was that is that kind of the
vibe?
>> Well, yeah. And the other problem with
him is like well he went like Jerry went
out of his way to align himself with
Cine Bear the known groomer um to defend
her and then but that didn't work out in
his favor. He just crashed out
essentially like that's the kindest way
I can put it. He was like what if I
defended a groomer and then he was like
well what if I also just crashed out and
made everything burn and you know
everything sucks. So,
so yeah, like that that's like when I
why I'm like, you know, he was a prime
example of why you shouldn't make a
response when you're emotional. Cuz the
first thing he did after he had a video
leaked is he uploaded the same video
instead of just saying, "Oh, this was
the first draft and I'm going to make a
better draft, you know, now. So, haha,
jokes on the person who leaked this
video." and then he just went on any and
all live streams he could and said some
dumb [\h__\h] So that's, you know, bad
because you should sit down with
yourself and be like, you know, I need
to make sure I'm doing okay. You know,
I'm taking care of I'm I've taken a
breather. I'm completely ready to talk
about this in, you know, whatever way is
necessary. But Joe was like, now what if
I made it worse?
It's this like
>> quite literally him.
>> No, I saw that. Um who was it? Um the
guy that governed Lily the um recently
covered him. Um
I forgot. I'm in a server. Um he gave me
some lines sometime, but I don't I'm
blanking on his name. But yeah, I was
just like, "Oh, it must be pretty bad if
if that guy is covering it." Um I'll
just get the name of the dude. Um,
June the King.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> I was just like, I don't know anything
about this guy. I just know he's a robot
and dumb it seems like. So, like that's
what I'm afraid. Like, I don't know if
if Lia has told you, but I'm I'm getting
ready to pitch a a TV show. And I was
like I cried to Beck and I was like,
"What if this hurts my TV show? What if
they're like mean?" And like um um I
think I think he said, "Well, Vizzy
Pop's a thing and whatever you did is
not not going to be as bad as Vivizzy
Pop." And I'm like, "I guess we got we
have that going for us."
>> Yeah, you know, at least you're not Vivy
Pop. A win is a win.
>> A win is a win. Yeah. I don't even I
don't even know. I don't even know what
she's gotten cancelled for. It just
seems
>> everything essentially like she she made
like Zua feel like artworks. She she has
really shitty representation of abuse
victims in her show. One of her
characters is literally just based on
like racial stereotypes. So, she she she
has a lot going for her. And that
doesn't even include like the fact that
there's an allegation that her pilot was
apparently stolen from somebody else and
that she didn't pay her people properly,
that she got rid of her voice actors for
like more famous voice actors because
that was more important to her than
keeping the team she already had. Stuff
like that essentially.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was um I I did see that
where they recast everyone with with
like people from Disney and stuff like
that. No, I I guess like I got I think I
got super mad because I don't watch any
of her content, but I did see clips of
they got um the voice actor of Jafar to
play like a role in the other not has
the Hella Boss. They both have H names.
It's confusing. And I'm just like did
you guys just write this character so
you can have Jafar's voice actor say
daddy? And like is that was that the
whole motivation for all of this?
Because like if it was then also kind of
[\h__\h] you.
>> Yeah, I know. Like a lot of like the
Vipsy Pop stuff is Oh my god. I It is so
so bad. So like, you know, Becket's kind
of right. At least you're not Vipsy Pop.
>> At least I'm not Vizzy Pop. So, you
know,
>> we we ball. We We win. We win in this
household.
>> So, yeah, I think Yeah, regardless, I
think Hello. Thanks. Hello, Toby. Um,
yeah. I think Becket might just be too a
little bit too emotional and maybe
again upset by things I have to explain
better, which is fine. So maybe, yeah,
like I guess to your point, like in the
future we can watch out for that, but I
don't know if he's going to be
reasonable like right the [\h__\h] now. So,
um,
>> yeah, completely fine. Yeah.
>> But yeah, I can I can absolutely look
over the stuff that you gave me and
leave here like with some pointers just
to help a little bit and then you know
we can figure this out.
>> Yeah, I I appreciate it. And and um you
can let I don't know how much you talk
to Leo. I assume more than I do, but
like yeah, you can let him know we
talked and like you know if Becket wants
to play nice, I'm open to it. But like I
don't even like be like I guess put it
this way like Becket like despite
everything I'm least considering because
he's like at the end of the day he he
might seem to tweak things based on
feedback he gets like enter I feel like
like there's no point even based on just
how he's
um how he's acting how he's like
>> yeah like I I understand that like you
know ultimately it's probably best for
you to like, you know, take a breather,
take care of yourself first, and then
make like decisions once you're ready to
make them cuz like there's no there's no
point in you feeling unsafe or not doing
well and then coming into a cold and
everything blows up and it gets worse,
right? So, like
>> obviously like the important part is
taking care of yourself first and
foremost and then I'm going to look over
the stuff that you've given me access to
and see how I can help you and give you
some pointers and leave some comments
and stuff.
>> Well, thanks for not thinking I'm the
the scum of the earth or what did I say?
>> Listen, there's worse people on this
earth than somebody who made a shitty
video, you know, like genuinely. That's
what I keep on saying to myself, but it
just seems like I've I've I've, you
know, I've given Saber like such a big
headache that, you know, I'm I don't
know. It's just And then the way I
haven't checked the Twitter, but I'm I'm
afraid to check Twitter cuz um
>> I've been told they're making fun of my
appearance now and stuff, which is
great. So,
>> yeah. No, I get that. That is literally
what happened to me last year where like
by quote unquote accident my face was
leaked and then people started like
going at my appearance and um I had
people downright like for example um
doubt the validity of my marriage um and
like the validity of my relationship
because you know why not I guess sure.
So, I absolutely get what you're going
for and it was like a horrendous time
for me. But once I realized that, you
know, fine, you know, it happened. I
just have to kind of work on myself now
and take a breather and take care of
myself. I kind of just stayed on the
load for a while and then came back
stronger than ever. So, I think this
this will probably work very similar to
that where it's like, you know, once
your Q&A is out, people are still going
to be [\h__\h] about it because that's
just how people are. And then eventually
they'll just forget this even happened
because like commentary amnesia is real.
>> Oh, for sure. But yeah, like it's just I
mean you you get like I'm sure you know
it gets in you get in your head a bit
about like is this how I really am based
on how screaming about everything? So
>> yeah. Yeah, I get that. But it's like
where you start like basically being
like, "Oh, am I really like such a
terrible person?" Like, "Are people
right about me? Am I just an [\h__\h] Do
I need to like not be online ever again
cuz I suck ass?" And then at some point
you're like, "Well, you know, I made a
mistake." And that's that happens,
right? Like we all [\h__\h] up at some point
in life and I just need to like move
forward and, you know, prove to people
that their assumptions of me aren't
correct. And that's kind of, you know,
how it goes because then people are
eventually just like, well, you know, I
know there's something about KP, but I
don't remember. So, no,
>> I don't remember. It was it was such a
long time ago. No, I mean like I I guess
it's just it's hard because I remember
when the um the the the doesn't pay
people thing happened and that followed
me around essentially till the pony
fandom ended and probably to still kind
of to some extent which you know
>> Yeah.
>> was
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't
I I Yeah. Sorry. Um, I don't know if you
if you know or care, but so part of my
trauma brain was just like, "Oh no, what
if I what if it's just like that again
where I never feel like
like a person anymore?" Yeah. No, I I
get that. Like for me that was because
um Becket on a um a live stream of his
brought up a fanfiction I've wrote and
it led people to claim that I was like
anti-Semitic
and that followed me around for a good
long while. Like it was every time I
appeared somebody it was like oh weren't
you that girl who weren't the X-Men
Holocaust fanfiction? I'm like shut the
[\h__\h] up perhaps under circumstances keep
your mouth shut. Do me a favor. And now
I've arrived at a point where um I was
recently streaming and somebody brought
it up and I was like, you know what,
we're just going to address this cuz
this is funny. And so I explained it and
I was like, well, first of all, you
know, you can't read and second of all,
you're silly. And then everybody on the
stream was like, oh yeah, no, this is
stupid. And we just laughed about it. So
you'll get to that point, too. I
promise. Okay.
>> Okay. Thanks, doctor.
>> I got you.
Yeah. And I like
>> Can you tell me about the fanfiction
now? Now, now I'm kind of curious
because I know I I don't know anything
about fan um X-Men, but I know Magneto
was like in the Holocaust, right? So,
did you just write a prescription?
>> Yes, from that. It was basically I wrote
a story in which a girl like my
character in OC was um really young a
medical prodigy and the she was in
Germany 1945 and so the Nazis went to
her and were like you're working for us
now and she was like I [\h__\h] hate that
and I hate you guys so I'm going to work
against you from like inside the the um
concentration camp as was customary back
then. There's like loads of doctors who
did that and she was caught and she was
horrifically experimented on um and
tortured and eventually escaped and that
is like sort of part of Magneto's
backstory because I had somebody who
shipped Magneto with my character and
that's why I wrote like that part of the
backstory. Now the person I was shipping
with ironically was my groomer. That
didn't help. But
um people found a part of that
fanfiction where very clearly the Nazis
are the bad guys. Like very clearly. I
don't know how much clearer I could have
written that. And also it was like 10
years ago when I was like 16 um or
younger even. And people like even Becky
on his stream said, you know, [\h__\h]
Hidden's not a Nazi. You guys are dumb.
But his audience because they like if
you add the IQ of his audience together,
you'll get like room temperature.
basically decided.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Decided
>> does make me feel a bit better.
>> Yeah. Decided, you know what? I'm just
going to call hidden a Nazi over this.
And it was like, bro, okay. Like, thank
you. I am to sure. And the other part of
that was when he reviewed a video I made
on somebody who was deeply problematic.
Um, he made it seem like to his audience
like this was a huge nothing burger and
it was unnecessary. And then,
ironically, his mod staff used my video
a year later to kick that person from
his Discord. And I was like, hm, well,
almost like I had a point, you know,
like,
and it's stuff like that where I'm like,
yeah, Becket's audience will always be
kind of [\h__\h] They're they're always
going to be a little bit like of
garbage, but they also forget really
quickly.
Yeah, I know. Like,
>> so was it like was it even a fanfiction
if Magneto wasn't in it? Was just like
>> I mean story I guess he was technically
mentioned in parts where you know I it
was sort of like oh you know I've met
this young kid named I think his his
name is Eric like when it isn't Magneto.
I met this young kid called Eric blah
blah blah. So sort of yes but sort of
no. But like man it was so silly because
it was blown so out of proportion. It
was just like a work of fiction I wrote
when I was a kid. Why do you care so
much? Right? Like what? Stop
essentially.
Oh, that's that's pretty funny. Like
your your fanfiction is technically a
fanfiction, but but not really just
because you technically mention
>> Yeah. Like it it was it was hilarious to
be honest. And this is what I mean when
I'm like, yeah, people are going to run
around with stuff about you for a while
because they just want to say it to say
it, but then eventually they'll forget
and you'll just point a finger and be
like, "Oh my god, you're [\h__\h]
stupid." Like, just shut up. Right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm trying not to get
too
um comfy about that in this video, but
I'm just like like now that I've done
the research, I'm just like guys, this
isn't a like this here here here's where
it says it's a crime like X Y and Z
thing and this is why like DA game
should have handled it differently based
on like UK laws. So what what what
what's going on? So I don't know. I just
I'm just surprised no one like I'm
surprised Becket like didn't even look
into case like US cases that were
similar to Saber and Emily's and been
like well this is where like even just
to say like I'm right because this one
case went the way that you know this is
going. So I'm kind of Yeah. So that's
>> sorry just observations I suppose.
>> Yeah. know like it's I I get that it's
mostly just like a lot of people I think
you know the the thing always has been
with content creators that if they're
big enough their audience would kind of
just take whatever they say as fact and
refuse to do their own diligence and
come to their own opinions which is
something that I I we had to curb in
cats layer a lot where it's like when
Lias says something people would just
take it as fact which like no do your
own research you're allowed to have an
opinion you should try having an opinion
I mean, it's good for you. So, I guess
like part of the reason why it often
feels so overwhelming is because you
don't just have the content creator
that's like currently going against you,
you also have their audience cuz they
would rather listen to their favorite
content creator over doing research. So,
like it it feels like a lot and
ultimately it will it will continue to
feel like a lot. Like I'm I'm not going
to lie to you and be like, "Oh, it's
magically going to go away in like 2
days. You're fine." Um, but eventually
it'll calm down because people will have
like basically chew through you until
you've no longer got any taste. They're
just Yeah, that's the best way I can I
can describe it where they'll chew on
like they'll chew you again and again
like a piece of bubble gum until like,
oh, you know, this tastes like nothing
anymore. I'm going to drop it. And
that's like how how is it probably going
to go for you as well where it's like,
yeah, we're going to talk about you
again and again and again and oh wow,
now it's boring. Never mind. We're
moving on.
>> Yeah.
But um yeah, I' I've talked a lot. Um,
do so I guess do you want to just like
look over what I have and just let me
know how you're feeling or I don't know
what your day is like today, but
>> yeah, like I'm probably I'm going to
probably scadaddle um and get through
this on my own time because I have a
script to write as well. Aha, help.
Um, so like I'm probably going to
scadaddle from this call and then leave
you some comments or like DM you about
it and be like, "Hey, here's how you can
change this up or that up." and then if
there's anything important, I can reach
out to you or you can reach out to me
and we can just figure it out.
>> Okay, sounds sounds good. And then just
as a as a note since I guess your mod
now, that's probably a good situation
cuz um I made I don't know if you know
how my server works, but like basically
everyone jump shipped except the mini
mods and the mini mods just there to
host events.
>> Yeah. and basically said like,
"Congratulations, you guys are all mods.
Any other regular mods who are
confrontation?" So, the server is just
going to be on lock down until this
video gets up and then hopefully we we
don't get people that are hopefully by
that time things will cool off a little
bit so we don't just get people trying
to argue about stuff or showing up to
argue about [\h__\h] and that's it. So,
>> yeah.
Hey.
All right. So, if this is all, then I'm
probably going to yank blankie and
scaddle and bother my husband. Um,
>> okay. You go do that.
>> All right. Enjoy your day and take care
of yourself. Yeah.
>> Yeah. You, too. Thanks.
>> All right. Bye.
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