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these discussions. What you are about to
see is an interview with Emily Jones.
also known as Emu Emmy, Sabers Sparks
accuser. Now, I want to be extremely
clear and upfront about the contents of
this particular interview. Emily Jones
is a person who has had a controversial
history on the platform, and so we
offered her an opportunity to speak on
her own controversies to the wider
public. The crux of this interview is
her addressing her own controversies.
I believe that Emily Jones should have
the right to talk about her own
controversies and essentially establish
her own character as her character is
tangentially related to the matters at
hand. I also want to address something
in particular. Most people who have been
introduced to the Emily Jones lore seem
to have been introduced via one
particular documentary. This one right
here. The Google document trying to
unmask Emily brought it up. And it's
what both KP and my team did find first.
Whatever you believe about Emily Jones,
whatever she says, this documentary is
particularly bad and particularly biased
and should not be used as a resource.
That being said, I would recommend doing
your own due diligence and not taking
anything anyone says as immediate fact.
If something sounds suspicious to you,
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This video will not be censored in any
regards. As a disclaimer, the opinions
of Emily Jones are her own. They should
not be seen as reflective of me or the
investigation team towards anyone, not
just Saber Spark. I will at least be
adding context via editing, but I am
cutting nothing out. Timestamps will be
added in the description down below if
you want Emily's statement on any
particular controversy stuff. Everyone's
okay with this being recorded and
published. I'm totally cool with that. I
consent. Okay. I'm all good. I consent
to that as well.
I am a consenting adult. I uh
All right. I started my recording. So
now no one knows that we all consented.
I also started my recording after we all
consented. Damn. We're going to have to
consent again.
I have been recording. I'm joking. It's
fine. All right.
So, enter you you said you wanted me to
try to spearhead things or do you want
to like answer like ask your personal
questions or what? Um, I think uh I am
not good at leading interviews. That's
why I'm here cuz I've done this before.
Uh, but I suppose so people don't can
get confused, we should all start with
like introductions. Uh, people, this is
going to be on my channel so people know
who I am.
Uh, who are you guys?
Do we just start at a semicircle or
what? Start at the front end and then
the back or whatever. Uh, lazy, who are
you? I am a lazy bed head. I make things
on the internet and I do interviews with
people on the internet and I will be
helping in this interview today.
Uh, and Phineas, who are you? I am the
one Phineas. I have been looking into
the uh this you this little universe
we're going to call it uh for many many
many months.
Yes. Uh these two have been helping me
uh with this I I guess it's an
investigation people are calling it. Uh
they're not the only people but these
have been the two people who have been
uh talking to me and the accuser. and
let's get your introduction.
My name my name is Emmy Jones or MU and
uh yeah I I do music and voice over and
stuff.
So Emily, how long have you actually
been doing like content on the internet?
Uh, technically right after I graduated
high school, but it was like terrible
YouTube cos I made like with my parents'
iMac computer and it was like a a
terrible like trash can microphone. I
wouldn't even be embarrassed. I still
edit everything on an iPhone. So, don't
even be worried about it. It's very It's
good content though. Thank
you. It's just funny to see people's
reactions to that sometimes cuz they are
like, "What are you [\h__\h] crazy?" And
I'm like, "Yeah, I am a little
bit. It's hard." Yeah, that's that is
kind of insane to edit everything on an
iPhone. I just look, I'm poor, so this
just kind of works out for
me. I know that doesn't sound poor.
Having an iPhone doesn't sound like a
poor person thing, but it's an older
generation. If that makes it any worse
for anybody else, I just can't imagine
the perception for your video for your
videos, you know? It's like
it's it's just a lot of sitting in my
bed and just kind of like finger
fingering my face phone for a while
until it's done. Okay. But in case
anyone is concerned, I I'm not the one
making this video. Just double checking
for everyone's aware. I won't be I won't
be fun this video on my phone today.
Yeah, that will be my job. And for the
final obligatory uh question, Emily, you
you are coming forward out of anonymity
of your own free will. Correct. I am.
Yes. Okay. Those are the obligatory
questions. Lazy, you may begin. So,
okay. I think we should start by just
going. I will also say to the audience
who is listening, this is not exactly
the first time that we had this
conversation. No, it was just important
that we had it like for the record so
that if anyone wants to ask about it,
reference this interview here, right?
Yeah. So, let's start at the very
beginning. Uh, at least the beginning of
your whole YouTube career. I would love
to start. Um, so Emu is a name on the
internet that, uh, people in both the
MLP community and the Sonic community
know fairly well. um for both good
things, most of it being Sonic and Tales
R, which was a fan-made radio show that
actually was in collaborations with uh
people over at Sega, aka like Ryan
Drummond, Mike Pock, voice actors and
such. Um, and a a lot of people, I think
it's mostly just like people on Reddit,
Kiwi Farm, the gossip sites, um, have
painted a not so great image of your
character. Um, and for our
investigation, that's not something we
can just ignore because as of recently,
as of like May 7th, I say recently, it's
a couple weeks ago. Uh, Casey Fist kind
of brought that up as a reason against
you not to even believe you. Um, but I
think it's only fair for the sake of
journalistic integrity that we get your
side on that because if every if all of
this is just either something that has
been, you know, taken out of context, I
feel like the full context should be
available for people to have in front of
them so they can reference and make and
draw their own conclusions. So, let's
start with what you are most well known
for. And that's gross to say, but that's
that's what people kind of point to your
big number one thing. Um, Ryan Drummond.
Drummond. I don't know how to Yeah,
Drummond. Drummond. So, you have been
friends with Ryan for a bit. You guys
worked on Sonic and Tales are together.
And around 2016, uh, you guys had some
sort of a relationship. Um, because Ryan
was once previously married that people
have accused you or at least accused the
both of you because this is two-p partyy
thing. um that you guys were in some
sort of affair that ended his
relationship. From your perspective,
right, what was your relationship with
Ryan Drummond?
We did not have an affair. Absolutely
not. Um by the time that I even became
friends with Brian, he was already
working on splitting up with this
person. So, we were friends for a little
while. He began his separation process.
It we even got to a point where they
were living in different homes. Um and
then later on we began to date and we
dated for about six or seven months uh
during that process of them completely
separated and working on their divorce
because they do have two kids. One of
them is special needs. So divorce for
people with kids it takes a lot of time.
Mhm. So you when you started like um
getting to know Ryan and having him on
Sonic and Tales R, he was already within
that process of getting divorced.
Well, actually by the time Sonic and
Tales R was a thing, it was already at
that point finalized. So that was done.
The our relationship was already over
because we were together only for like I
said like six or seven months. So Sonic
and Tails are started
gosh I think I think it was the
beginning of 2020. So by that point uh
he like our relationship was already
over. His divorce was finalized and I
had moved out to Burbank and around that
point actually I started dating uh my
current boyfriend. Okay. Was there any
particular reason why your guys'
relationship didn't work out? Was it
just like a a weird thing with his
divorce or just it you guys were just
too different or
it it's just honestly it was because he
needed to remain like up in that like
San Francisco Bay area um because of his
kids you know because of his you know
his previous relationship and they
obviously both deserve to have their
kids in their life and for me I have my
own kid and that's just not where we
wanted to be. We did not want to be up
there. We wanted to be in Los Angeles.
So, that was a choice that we both made.
Uh, it was totally like amicable.
Everything was cool and we're still
friends because of that. Even to this
day, do you guys still regularly chat
and everything or? Mhm. Yeah, we're
still friends to this day. So, how did
the internet go about uh kind of
figuring that out that this was
something that happened between you and
Ryan?
Yeah. So, I um Oh, man. So, I put my
trust in a few of the wrong people by
letting them know there was like a a
private account that I'd had where, you
know, I would talk about I would talk
about a lot of things that were
personal. I would talk about things that
I had going on at home. I would talk
about, you know, just my own personal
stuff that I had dealing, you know, I
was going through like, you know,
therapy and and stuff like that. And
also I would share about uh that type of
stuff too and I would talk about the
relationship there. Um there was a time
where we had visited each other and
during that time uh I was talking about
it on that private account and it was
screenshotted by one of the people who
had access to it and I was unaware of
this at this time and it would later
start showing up in different places.
Um, it had originally showed up on this
person, her name is Lizzy. Uh, it showed
up originally on her profile um because
somebody had given it to her and then it
was sort of like inconclusive because,
you know, weirdly enough, at for a
little while I I took that private
account down. Lizzy had reclaimed it.
And so when people went to go try to
verify it, um, they saw that the account
was following Lizzy because it was her
who had reclaimed it. Mhm. Um, so for a
little while people weren't really able
to really say if it was accurate or you
know where it had came come from, but
eventually at some point people were
able to put it together just because I
had a few of my mutuals like responding
to the account. So they were able to
then later piece together it was me. It
was like two years ago when they had
pieced it together which was like seven
years after the relationship or
something. I think it was six or seven
years after the relationship was already
over with. So yeah, everybody found out
uh much later than you know I mean I'm
glad it was later than you know that it
was it ended way later like after the
fact. So like it was just like yeah that
was a thing that happened but it's
already long over so you thought like I
don't have to think about this again and
now it's getting brought up again.
Was there a point where it trended on
Twitter? Was there any reason why you
didn't like tell people about this
relationship? Did it just feel like
weird because you guys were like both
like people that were like represented
Sega or something or
I mean kind of right. I do feel like
that's not something that I you know I
feel like every Sonic fan is I don't
feel like people are going to be good
with that information. It's hard to
explain but I do feel like you know if
you tell a Sonic fan something like that
you know hey I'm dating this guy who's
the voice of Sonic. I I just don't know
what to expect from that reaction, you
know, cuz I I understand that people
aren't able to really not not everybody,
but there are a lot of people who aren't
able to see that these are real people,
you know, instead of just, you know,
Sonic himself, you know, this is like a
real guy. So, yeah. And I mean, you also
like your voice work, at least your
voice acting cred is doing a really good
Tales impression. So, I think people
might
start drawing to the weirdest
conclusions with that, you know. Yeah.
And they did. And they did afterwards.
They did, you know, and it's like, yeah,
see, this is kind of why I didn't want
to really have this be a thing. I did
tell like personal friends of mine, you
know, during the time. So, like I did
trust personal friends with that, you
know, but yeah, public-wise, I I knew
that was not something I I was ready to
talk about. Obviously, if we had
continued the relationship and
inevitably, you know, at that point, if
we had like gotten engaged or whatever,
okay, then I'll talk about it, you know,
once it's more set in stone. That's how
I've always been with my relationships,
though. I don't sure want to like be
super public with a relationship and
then there's a breakup and then it's a
mess. You know what I mean? I got you.
And it's not really the internet's like
business anyway. And in retrospect, like
I'm in a relationship, but I don't make
that public to my fans ever. I talk
about it, but like he's never on camera
and I don't post about him on my socials
or anything like that cuz it's not
really anyone's business if he he wants
to be a private person. Like that's
something I Yeah. respect and I hope
people do respect but some people don't
and it kind of leads to this. So, you
know,
uh just so that we can and
right
but uh just so we can clarify, you said
that these were on like private
accounts. Was it the the Tales Power
Girl accounts that people have been
pointing to?
Yep. Yep. Those are the ones.
Aren't those always so much
fun? That's why I never run like secret
private accounts.
Yeah, right. Yeah. Never that again.
Yeah. So, I mean, I think that kind of
just covers with Ryan. You guys are
still good friends to this day, which is
great. We love that. We love peace and
love in the universe. Um, but there is
another Sega employee that you had uh a
bit of a not spat but like a bit of like
a adjustment with and that was Mike Pock
who is the voice actor for Dr. Eggman.
He was also in Sonic and Tales are for a
couple episodes. I I think he was on
there for like episode 4. Maybe he was
there at the beginning. Um, there was a
dispute that happened where Mike came
out publicly on Twitter saying that he
never got paid for that role. Um, could
you kind of explain like what happened
with that? Was that an accurate thing
where you guys never paid him or
So, I mean, so technically, yes, we did
not pay him and that is because when it
came to when we got him on the show, uh,
we reached out. It was actually Ryan who
reached out to him and, uh, he was
actually interested in doing it. He said
he'd love to, but he wants to make sure
that it would not cause any conflict
with obviously stuff at Sega. So, I
reached out to a point of contact and
asked them about it and they told me
like, "Yeah, this is totally fine. He
can do this, but two things. One, he
cannot get paid. It would breach like
his contract that he had with them
legally. He cannot get paid for doing
the voice of Dr. Eggman unless it is
directly from Sega." And also too,
second, I hope he's aware that this will
spark a lot of fans asking for him to
also do stuff for their project. So, as
long as he's, you know, aware of that,
you know, then all is good. So, you
know, we talked with uh Mike and
everything and he had reaffirmed
everything with Sega and so we continued
on with the show and it was not until
after the show that uh we had heard this
uh about us, you know, not paying him.
and it was kind of framed in this
negative light. So, uh, we did contact
him privately about it, you know, to to
see what was going on. Um, it was to the
point where because he had put that out
there, we were getting harassed really,
really badly and we felt horrible
because, you know, it it had even gotten
to a point where we had kind of
secondguessed oursel like, well, did did
we not communicate something? I I don't
know. And so we were like, maybe we
maybe we can pay you because we just
didn't want to cause any conflict for
Mike. You know, we we respect him. So we
we tried offering that. Um he did not
want to accept it. We did explain to him
again that legally we couldn't pay him
to which he was like,
"Oh, okay. Well, that yeah, that kind of
changes things." And it it did get to a
point where he wound up apologizing to
the team. uh he has like this website
where it's like a like he posts like
rules and screeds, different like
statements that he's ever made. And uh
he did wind up putting out like this
public screed uh apologizing to the team
and explaining everything that happened
to kind of stop people from harassing us
and explaining, you know, what really
happened, right? Was that like a
copyright thing where it was just like
Sega like doesn't want people paying him
to do his voice of Dr. Eggman because of
like copyright reasons?
I mean, it seems to be I don't know if
it's it's necessarily copyright as much
as it is like just there's a legal gray
area with you can't have him being paid
by a a different entity if that makes
sense. Like if you're if he's getting
paid for Eggman somewhere else, then
that does conflict. There's like a
conflict of interest there. Okay. Can I
chime in on this? Sure. I think I think
probably within this case for the
business, right? If you're if you've got
an actor known for playing this voice
and they're in another project when
they've been the official voice, it
might seem like the project might be
official and there's probably a lot of
children. Actually, it's the Sonic fan
base. It's all children um online who
would wind up seeing the project and
noticing that uh oh, that's the guy who
voices Eggman in this. This must be
official Sonic media and that probably
presents a boundary for Sega.
I mean, I suppose that would make sense
if if it's one of those things where
it's like they want anything Sonic
related to be on their terms. I suppose
that would probably be understandable if
like if you're doing a fan project,
right? A lot of fan works do have like a
copyright issue, but maybe it's because
like official licensing for things uh
can't extend extend to fan works
otherwise you would have to adhere to a
lot more under a Sega contract than you
would just your own thing. So maybe they
just didn't want to interfere in their
like with their lawyers and stuff to
like sue you up the ass or something
like that. So I suppose, you know, I
think that that's probably it. Yeah. And
and two, we also like made sure to like
follow particular guidelines like making
sure there's nothing inappropriate being
said. Like for our episode 6 when we had
Shadow play or Shadow just on the uh
show, you know, we had talked about
maybe having Shadow swear, but just to
be safe because we had Mike, we chose
not to just to be careful. I mean, he
does say damn canonically, so maybe you
could have gotten away with one. You
could have gotten away with one.
I mean like I I think the whole I think
the rule kind of makes sense and stuff
in in the world where like cuz I can't
think of any fan much fan media that has
that's not produced. So okay, there's an
exception area for fan media that's like
weird where it's like produced by some
of the creators and stuff cuz also like
voice actors or actors for like
characters would really like their
character and decide to do some fan
content of it. But it's rare to see like
a project by fans for fans using the
official staff. That's a big rarity from
what I observe
nowadays. Comments, correct me if I'm
wrong. I mean, damn. I'm I'm kind of
just impressed that you're able to get
in in touch with half of these people
anyway. But Oh, thank you. I mean, I
honestly it came from like doing
different work with different people.
Like I also like would do these charity
streams and I met a lot of uh the voice
talent through interviewing them for
charity events. Oh, that's kind of cool.
Did you used to do that like during your
your MLP days too or was that just like
once you got into Sonic and stuff?
Actually, no. I did do that during the
MLP days as well. Yeah, I would bring on
uh some of the actors for interviews,
some of the writers. Trying to think
everybody like on the top of my head. I
think it's mostly writers, actors. I
think I also brought in a couple fans
too if I remember correctly.
I guess I'm just kind of Yeah, I guess
I'm just kind of used to like when
something gets big, right? When it's a
giant IP, I'm used to like most of the
people associated with that IP to kind
of be like a monolith. Like these are
celebrities. They wouldn't talk down.
They wouldn't like speak to people
within their respective spears or
whatever. They're just like, you know,
VAS and whatever. But I I guess that's
just I haven't been involved in fandom
spaces enough to know that no, these
people are just like people you can just
talk to, which is kind of insane to me
to think about, but
No, I I agree. I I understand.
So, you've mentioned a name uh when you
were talking about Ryan um a name um
Lizzy. Um which will kind of segue into
what we're going to talk about next. Um,
so in 1993, a person by the name of
Lindsay Silva got diagnosed with brain
cancer and had a very invasive surgery
that could have killed her and left her
kind of disabled for a bit. Um, but
Sonic the Hedgehog and the Sega Genesis,
uh, was something that helped her
recover from that. This was a story that
was featured on the Sonic Super Special,
uh, which is the, um, Archie comic
exclusive where fans can write into it
and like have their stories featured.
Um, and Lizzie just happened to be one
of those people. Um, Lizzy Silva has
been somebody who is known in the fandom
because of this. Um, and she kind of had
a little bit of a spat with you. Um, and
people have, you know, have taken their
sides on the things, but like one of the
things that kind of made its way around
because of a uh DM conversation with
someone named the T- Mob Gaming 2 was
apparently saying that somebody by the
names of Tails channel was claiming that
their brain tumor story was fake and
they were faking brain cancer. And
somehow this ended up getting back to
you as people accusing you of saying
that Lizzy faked brain cancer. Like you
were accusing her of that. So just just
to set the record, do you believe that
this person has brain cancer or at least
had brain cancer?
Yes, absolutely. Yes. Back in the 90s,
100%. She absolutely had it. I have no
reason to second guessess that or
question that. You know, she's not
somebody who up until we had our own
conflicts. I I even knew her. But no,
absolutely she had this and I believe
that and I actually love her story. Like
that's what kind of sucks about all the
conflict with her is I I think her story
is incredible. I love her story. It's
very inspiring and you know the way that
she has utilized it um to do uh like
charity work and stuff. I think that
that's awesome that she has done all of
that. Yeah. And I mean it's it's kind of
cool cuz it's like from what I've come
to understand of her story just reading
it like the the brain tumor was like
somewhere around her spine, right? So
she had to get that removed and it was
an invasive surgery that could have left
her like unable to move anything like
from the neck down. Um, so it's a
miracle that like in her recovery
phases, like you know, physical therapy
so that she can at least regain that,
um, and having to relearn all that, she
turns to video games. And I've seen that
happen a couple times like with
different disability stories that video
games do help or at least they they're a
comfort or something like that. And I
think that's kind of an amazing thing.
So, if it wasn't from apparently you
allegedly saying she didn't have brain
cancer, how did you like first interact
with Lizzie Silva? It wasn't through
that.
The first interaction I had with her uh
was her and I were invited to go to this
event. It was called Sonic and Sega Fan
Jam. And the showrunner Patrick had DM'd
me and told me like, "Hey, like I have
this other person who's going to be
there. She's also going to like have a
panel and all this stuff. Her name's
Lizzie and I feel like you guys would
get along so well, you know, here. Let
me give you her ad. I feel like you guys
could be friends." Uh, I went to her
account and I was blocked and I didn't
really have any context as for what was
going on. Um, so at the time I had
reacted unfortunately publicly. I was a
much smaller account at this time so
shouldn't have been publicly but I had
reacted to her uh blocking me to which
she did uh get involved and explain that
she had blocked me over
these uh pretty much interacting with
her in relation to like conversations
that she had had with like Roger Craig
Smith and like some other like Sonic
related news source that at the time I
hadn't heard of. Um, and it kind of just
started this long nearly
10year spat between us where, you know,
I at this time she was accusing me of
this and this was not true. And uh,
people tried explaining this wasn't
true. She wasn't really having it. After
that original spat, um, I kind of walked
away from it like, okay, this was just
kind of whatever, you know, whatever.
It's not a big deal. Just move on. It
doesn't matter. Uh, but it did not move
on and it start, you know, she began
tweeting things like Emy's trying
to replace me in the Sonic community and
she's copying my Sonic cosplay and she's
purposely commissioning art of her like
OC with Sonic specifically to make me
upset and she was reaching out to
people. She was reaching out to like my
friends. She was reaching out to like
different artists in the community
saying, "Don't accept commissions from
her because she's only doing these
commissions to hurt you or to hurt me
and make me upset." And she began
reaching out even to Sega. she had
reached out to Sega um like asking for
me and Tails channel uh Matt who at this
time actually became an employee of Sega
uh asking for us to have like our
tickets removed from this Sonic 25th
anniversary party and it just kept
getting worse.
Um, eventually it led to uh Lizzy
actually DMing Mike Pollic and making a
threat in his DMs to Matt saying that
she wanted to put a bullet in his head.
And because of that, Mike took that to
Sega and said, "Hey, this is kind of a
big deal." And she had her own ticket
pulled. Matt couldn't go because they
didn't want anything bad to happen to
him. eventually he was let go because
they didn't want something horrible to
happen to him and it was like a
liability issue and it's it's just kind
of ex I don't even know how to it's just
tumbled and it's just gotten bigger and
bigger and bigger. Um, and it's just
been mostly one-sided. Me just, you
know, at first trying to defend myself,
you know, saying, "No, I didn't do these
things." And, uh, you know, let me know
if if she's spreading stuff. And people
would ask me like, "Why does she hate
you?" And I I didn't really know. All I
could really pull from was, you know,
the post that she was making. And uh it
was just this
very huge mostly one-sided situation.
And it eventually got to a point where I
I had moved to Burbank and eventually
she began uh she had doxed my
information and she began sending the
police to my house and sending
firefighters to my house. And this had
happened a couple different times. And
so then this led to a whole legal
situation um where I tried to get a uh
protection order from her, like a um a
restraining order because I was
concerned that she had my address and
she was using it to send the police to
my house. And even at one point she was
sending letters in the mail to me. Um we
attempted to go to court. Um, but
unfortunately just because, you know, we
live in different states, it just wasn't
something that was taken all too
seriously. So that got kind of thrown
out and that didn't, you know, that
didn't go anywhere. So eventually me and
my family had to move so we could get
away from it because we didn't know what
else to do. I apologize. I realize I'm
kind of rambling and I don't know if I
skipped any any parts of this. No, it's
fine. I was just going to ask like
clarifying questions like let you just
kind of go off and then just ask like
detailed stuff about what you just said.
So don't worry about it. Yeah. Go ahead.
Go ahead. If there's any anything
specifically, I I just Yes, I read a
little bit. So So from the the whole
reason why you got even accused like it
came back to you that you were the one
that was saying that she faked brain
cancer was because of this guy Tails
channel. Now you say that he's like a Is
he like a friend of yours, this Matt
guy, or did you just know him because
you guys both work with Sega?
Uh both. I mean, yeah, we are friends
and also we're both working with Sega,
right? Right. So, as far as you're
aware, because you I'm not asking you to
be to answer on behalf of Matt because I
don't know him personally. I haven't
spoken to him. Did Ta did this Matt guy
ever like say she faked brain cancer at
any point?
Nope, not at all. And it is a thing
where Matt has attempted to try to talk
talk with her and explain things to her
and like just like we both have we both
have attempted to try to reason with her
and no, this did not happen. And this
was information that just random people
were feeding to her and then it just
made her upset. But none of this was
based off of anything. Matt and I have
had several conversations about it and
no, he did not feel that way. Right. Um
I did have something that I just wanted
to clarify and ask you about. So Lizzie
tried to reach out to somebody. I'm not
sure who this guy is, if he's in
relation to Sega or not, but they posted
an email from this guy named Gerald
Hall. Basically saying that you got into
everyone's heads and ruined her because
they were going to have uh her be one of
the faces of the Sonic fandom or
something like that. Uh basically, I
guess confirming what Lizzie had been
accusing you of anyway, which is just
kind of like, you
know, trying to replace her in the Sonic
community or whatever. Is this Gerald
Hall guy someone you know? Is he part of
Sega or something? Like how how does he
know this information? I guess
all that information become public. The
first thing I did was reach out to my
friends over at Sega and asked who is
this guy? Like I do you guys know him?
And literally none of them knew who he
was. They had no idea who this guy was.
They could not confirm any kind of
relationship with this guy. And no, for
the longest time I didn't know who this
guy was. I tried looking him up and you
know it seems like he has some stuff
that he's done like in the industry but
none of it is related to Sega.
Eventually at some point this Gerald guy
actually did email me because he became
aware of Lizzy posting these emails and
told me that he was going to potentially
take legal action against Lizzie because
he at least to me implied that these
were not like these were not legitimate
emails. I can't really confirm or deny
that. I don't know this guy personally.
Um, but that's all I can really speak on
is that yeah, I don't there's no
relation to Sega and he is denying this
ever being said. Right. And as for I
think the other thing that people have
accused you of in terms of this whole
Lizzy spat is that they say that like
you have a pretty toxic fan base, right?
I think this is something that people
have pointed to is like this is the
harassment that she's getting. um like
tweets like people saying that they're
going to beat her ass, that she should
have uh gotten cancer again or
something. In terms of like anybody
trying to defend you by being this
hostile and cruel, uh did you have
anything in regards to like, you know,
what you think about maybe toxic people
in your fan base or how people have
chosen to respond with vitrial?
Yes, absolutely. And I hate it. I
absolutely cannot stand it. um whenever
I see it, you know, as much as because
obviously I'm not going to see all of
it, but whenever I can and I do see it,
I do respond and tell them, "Do not say
these things." Like, absolutely not. I
have seen some of the worst things said
to her. And I look, I get it. These are
people who are trying to defend somebody
that they are a fan of or they care for.
And I I I can get that. But it helps
literally
nobody treating somebody like this. You
know, Lizzy, I don't back up any of the
stuff that she has caused for me. I
don't back up any I don't I will not
defend her actions towards me, but
nobody should be treated like that. She
is a human and she has undergone a lot
of things and that I think needs to be
kept in mind. Right. So, let's talk
about the phone number. So, I I know
that you said that she had docked your
information. And that's why one of the
reasons why you had to move. Um, but
she's also been saying that you were
equally doxing her back by getting her
phone number and trying to call her. Um,
how exactly did that play out?
Okay. Yeah. Basically, when the police
showed up to the house, so there was
this was three different times. Mhm. Um,
so the first time when this happened,
they we tried calling the police station
and they were not able to like confirm
100% like where this was coming from.
However, the second time uh they since
this went through the fire station, I
called them and this time they actually
provided me with the number. I explained
this has now happened a few different
times and I look, they're claiming to be
some kind of fan online. I want to know
who has my number and who keeps doing
this. And luckily they provided the
number the second time from the fire
station. So they gave me the number of
we don't know who it is. This is just
the number that they called from. And so
I went into my it was like a small group
chat with my friends within one of my
servers and I told them what was going
on. Like hey like the police this is the
second time this has happened. Like
they're they're at my house again and
I'm going to try to figure out what's
going on. All of my friends are reacting
going, "Oh my god, like this is so
scary." And after I got the number, I
put that in the small group chat with my
friends. And then my friend who then got
that called the number so we could try
to figure out who it was because at this
point we did not know who this was. We
tried looking it up online to see if
anything had come up. So nothing really
terribly helpful came up when we were
looking it up. However, when we called
it about 30 minutes later, Lizzie then
DM'd my friend who called her uh on
Twitter and said, "Who are you and why
did you call me?" Confirming that it was
her. And we're like,
"Oh, okay. I Yeah, I guess this was
Lizzy." So, that's that's how we were
able to find this out. Let's talk about
court real quick. Um because the the
transcript is available online. I I
mean, I've seen most of it. It's, you
know, something a downloadable PB PDF,
but also it's been re-uploaded and like
screenshots and stuff. Um, what was that
experience like taking Lizzie to court?
It was really scary if I'm being honest.
Um, me and my partner Cam, we we were
literally at the courthouse for 5 hours.
I was pacing. I had a huge binder filled
with just everything, you know, all of
the evidence that I needed. It was
really scary. Lizzy was not there
physically. She was instead on like a
big like projector screen inside the
courthouse. So we got in there, we
witnessed a few other people like it's
public so you can like watch other uh
cases, you know, be talked about. And so
we got to mine. Uh I had to go up there
by myself. I was sitting, you know,
behind a table with a little microphone
and Lizzy was there on camera and I had
to tell the judge why I needed this
protection order and I explained, you
know, she obtained my address and she
has sent the police to my house and she
sent firefighters to the house and, you
know, just all of these different
things. And
um it just it didn't go terribly well if
I'm being honest because you know when
the judge kind of turned to Lizzy to be
like well you know is this true like did
you do these things? Um she proceeded to
mostly just talk about like the online
drama stuff. You know she was like okay
well but all this stuff happened. I got
banned from this event and and she was
on Dr. Phil. Did you know that? And and
then she stole my she stole my cosplay
design and and it got to a point where
like the judge legitimately started
getting irritated because it was a thing
where we couldn't I don't think she
could hear us. Like there was some kind
of interference going on. So she was
just kind of talking and the judge was
like you know like Miss Silva Elizabeth
you know can please can can you hear me?
And eventually after a little while, she
finally was able to kind of realize that
we were trying, you know, that they were
trying to stop her from continuing. And
the judge was kind of irritated because,
you know, we kind of spent a lot of time
going over this. It was very quick.
Okay. Do you have any other comments? I
was just like, I mean, not really. I'm
just kind of worried that she's going to
use the address to like come come to my
house or, you know, maybe I'll see her
at a convention or whatever. Okay,
great. You're in Texas. you're in
California, there's no need dismissed.
Got it. And that that it was extremely
disheartening to have that dismissed so
easily considering that, you know, she
was using that my address to literally
send people to my house. So,
unfortunately, yeah, we did walk away
from it not getting the protection that
I was hoping to get.
I I could only imagine considering that
you get this is like a online harassment
case that maybe god I could only think
that the only thing that could probably
apply cuz you he's right you guys are in
different states. So therefore the
protection is a bunch of states in
between you that she would have to
travel to if she if she even had the
money and if she doesn't then there's no
need. The only thing I could probably
think of is maybe like a cease and
desist or something like that. Just
something to get her to stop like
talking about you online or something.
But even then, those are really hard cuz
like it's one of one of those things
again where you have to prove why this
person needs to stop talking about you
or something like that. Or not even
that, like even you can just type one up
yourself and just send it and like
people will be like this even if it's
like legitimate or not. It's like this
is [\h__\h] I'm not going to stop
talking about it. So it's like I don't
know how to get it to stop other than
you just block them, I guess. But um was
Lizzie and honestly Oh, sorry. No, I was
going to ask was Lizzie like on like a
Zoom call or something? thing. Is that
why she couldn't hear you guys or is was
she on the phone? It Yeah, it's Yeah, it
seemed like it was a Zoom call. It was a
video call. So, yeah, it was I don't
know what happened though. There was
like a connection problem because she
just she was talking and everybody in
the room like they were trying to get
her attention like they at some point
some guy like came up and was trying to
like reconnect like the microphone with
the judge because they thought maybe
like something was happening maybe on
our end. But yeah, it was it was really
strange. It seemed to be like a Zoom
video call. It sounds like [\h__\h]
chaos. Just utter It was. Oh my god. I
was so anxious, too, because I didn't
know what to expect. I was anxious.
Like, what if she traveled to be here?
Like, I it I'm I'm scared. I don't want
to see this girl physically. I was It
was terrifying. It was so terrifying. I
guess I suppose your saving grace was a
shitty Zoom call connection. was the
only interaction you've ever had with
this person like in not in person but
like you know.
So I I think that covers everything with
Lizzie unless if you had anything else
you want to address. Does she still to
this day continue to try to reach out to
you and everything?
Um right now I haven't heard anything
like as of terribly late. I just know
that she still is watching my account
because she does still actively post
about like against me. Um like for
example like I I got like a a music gig
on uh fantasy store online and um
because of that she was posting things
like oh it's time to boycott this. And
so yeah I from my understanding she's
not she's not reaching out. I haven't
gotten anything directly, but she does
still monitor my social media, right,
unfortunately. Did she by any chance
like post anywhere like because you said
that Sega gave her a notice that would
ban her from the convention that you
guys were both going to. Was that
something she ever like posted online or
anything or
She did. She actually posted the letter
directly. Um, which Oh my gosh. Like
Yeah, she she posted that. it had a lot
of her personal information on it. So, I
made sure that when I put that in my I
have a document that does have
everything and I filtered that out
because yeah, I think she accidentally
shared a little too much. Gotcha. So,
you you you have been kind of compiling
over the last however long this has been
going on, over a decade, I suppose,
which is insane to think about. Yeah. Um
all of the incidents of her like
reaching out to you and your friends and
your family and stuff like that. Um, and
you posted that to Twitter.
Then I put that on Twitter. Yes. Um, and
yes, it just has every every as much as
I can. There might be some stuff to be
honest that I'm missing just from years
ago and maybe I just haven't thought to
put it in there. Um, because I this has
been 10 years worth of stuff. But yes,
um for reaching out to my mom, my
brother, um just all kinds of stuff that
I felt was very important to include in
that document just for the just for the
matter of my safety cuz I just I don't
know. I I to be honest, I don't know
what she would do. I don't think she's
going to do anything crazy, but I you
know, having my address and using it
against me to do that, it's just it's
scary. So, I document for the sake of my
safety. Sure. And um in regards to the
document, do you know what like the
overall reaction to it was when you
posted it initially?
It was just yeah I mean a lot of people
were obviously very upset about the
situation. I I had a lot I had a strong
outpour of support and just a lot of
people saying we're just really sorry
that this happened to you, you know, and
cuz for a little while there was like
this public
uh she had put out a public like apology
and um a lot of people were kind of left
in the dark when that apology kind of
didn't really mean anything. So that's
why I wound up putting this out because
then a lot of people were kind of
confused. Why is this happening? didn't
she just apologize? Um, but yes, it was
mostly extremely extremely positive in
in support of me and just
disappointment. You know, I it's it
sucks because she did apologize and we
thought that we were able to kind of
move forward with that. Um, and I just
didn't and I made sure to like when it
came to posting that I reminded
everybody, do not attack do not attack
her. And luckily, I don't believe too
many did uh when I did put that document
out because I reaffirmed it several
times not to. Right. And she's is she
like like what's her status like in the
community like in the space? I know
she's probably known just because of
that Sega article, but like afterwards
with this whole spat with you like did
she acquire some form of infamy over
this or
Yeah. No, unfortunately yes. uh within
if you are if you are within the Sonic
community most people know who Lizzy is
because of her reputation because of the
things that she has done not only to me
but also to Matt and you know other
people have also spoken out on she
reaches out for help and usually that
help is help me destroy Emy's reputation
and if they are not wanting to do that
then she will not be your friend and she
will try to attack you and that's
unfortunately been
a pattern, you know. So, yeah, unfort
people in the community know this and
know kind of her whole deal, right? I
wasn't sure because I know that like
people probably knew her if she's
getting invited to cons because she got
featured in this article. I assume that
like she's probably a well-known figure.
I wasn't sure if like this whole
situation was what she is most known
well for, but like I I I think most
people would probably point to, oh, she
was the girl who was featured in the SE
the Sega thing once and then she went
crazy or something,
right? Well, I mean, and she does, don't
get me wrong, too. She actually does
have, you know, a positive like circle
of people who she like, from my
understanding, she like will post like
merch videos and stuff like that. And it
seems like she has like a small little
corner of people who are um you know
behind her. It's I think it's Instagram
and like Tik Tok if I remember
correctly. Um and so like there is
something positive for her and I'm I'm
happy that she has that you know but a
lot of people are aware of that and so
if that is a name that gets brought up
most people unfortunately know what kind
of is attached to it. Sure. That's
unfortunate. But hopefully, I mean, she
can probably like walk past it and kind
of rebuild something that's probably not
based on just hating you. That would be,
you know, the happy ending for
everybody.
It really would. You know, when she had
apologized, um, when she had apologized
to me, I me and some of my friends, we
tried helping her, you know, we were
encouraging people like, "No, she's
she's changing, you Oh, and we even gave
her like a little guide on how to like
draw Sonic that we like made
specifically and personally for her to
try to teach her how to like create her
own content. And I I gave her a bunch of
advice on like maybe you could like make
a make a charity stream and maybe you
could do that. Like she could have these
things. And I I think that if she puts
in that effort like she could have such
a positive um uh what am I trying to
say? a positive uh
like community base on the online or
just
Yeah, I couldn't find the word for it.
Thank you. Just just a better reputation
overall. Just people, you know, not
associating her with this crazy [\h__\h]
We're making a positive impact, you
know? I think that that's the best
situation in the end is her making a
positive impact. I agree. I agree. And I
mean um there
sorry there there is actually one other
thing too I wanted to bring up. Sure. Um
because it it is something that I've
seen taken out of context. Uh and that
is this tweet that I have, you know,
it's it's been screenshotted for a while
now. It's uh me I'm tweeting at this
guy. I think it's like Gab Gabriel
Castro or something. And I am the quote
I believe it goes jealous of attention.
she believed that she should be getting,
you know, more attention or or whatever
it was. Uh because I'm a pretty or I'm
sorry. I don't want to get the quote
incorrect, but it was I think I have it.
It's somewhere. Um if you have it. Yeah.
Gabriel C. Media jealous of jealous of
attention. She feels she should be
getting attention for beating cancer
when I'm just a pretty cosplayer.
Yes, this screenshot has been spread
around. This is kind of like the main uh
thing that she does share and it has
been taken horribly out of context. I do
want to clarify that and explain that I
really I wish I had worded it better
because at this time I was quoting
something that she herself had said on
her Facebook. on her Facebook there was
a post where she was uh attacking me
just saying a lot of very demeaning
things and she at near the end of it
said you know I'm sorry but like you
know I think a girl who beat cancer
deserves a lot more attention than some
like you know pretty face some some
[\h__\h] who stole my costume and so when I
was saying that I was trying to explain
to somebody my only theory as to why she
was coming after me because somebody kid
asked, "Why is she doing all of this?"
And I said, "I I think she's jealous of
attention." This is what she said. She
said that she deserves more attention.
You know, I wish I had worded it better
because years later without that
context, it doesn't look too amazing.
Um, but I wanted to provide that because
I it's important, right? Yeah. And
because I think this is important, too.
I think there have been controversies in
cosplay circles of like stealing costume
designs cuz someone will like put in a
lot of effort to like make their own
interpretation of a costume from a
character they like and then they see
that same costume from somebody else cuz
they follow the process cuz a lot of
costume designers will post their in
their entire um build from start to end
online mainly because of um uh cosplay
contest reasons. you kind of need like a
an entire like build um ex explanation
when you enter into these um circle or
these um uh competitions. It's either
like in a video format or in like a
pamphlet. Um so cosplay theft is
something that people have seen before.
Could you kind of just explain like what
costume is she talking about? Like what
did you steal from her?
Okay. Yeah, let's talk about that. She
is referring to uh a Sonic cosplay, a
good cosplay of Sonic the Hedgehog. Um,
yes, she does accuse me of stealing her
design. Uh, the only issue is that I
made the design before I knew who she
was. I had already designed it. I did
not know her at the time. And I'm just
going to be honest, you know, when it
comes to cosplaying a character like
Sonic, I just don't feel like there's
too many creative ways to go about it.
To me, I just threw on a blue wig, got
some blue ears, and I wore like a
skintight blue suit with like a tan
belly, you know, the gloves and the
shoes. It to me, I don't know too many
other ways to do it, but no, I did not
steal her design. I didn't even see her
design at that point. Um, I think that
if you were to Google Sonic cosplay,
you're probably going to see a lot that
just so happen to look extremely similar
because, right, it's just there's not a
lot of ways to go about it. I think that
if we're talking about maybe a different
character, you know, that would require
something maybe where you want to put in
a little bit more creative input, I
think that's totally fair game to, you
know, question that. But like something
with Sonic, it's just I mean there are
the basics that you want to include in
your costume. And maybe the only
difference I've ever seen with that,
like with Sonic, is maybe some people
will like spike the hair, you know, but
for me, I just left it down, right? Not
to be like too condescending to you or
anything. I'm sure your cosplays are
wonderful, but let's let's be frank on
what this is. You're just saying that
it's just it's just a blue hair. It's
just blue hair wig and ears. It's not
that deep. This was a lazy costume. This
was not Yeah, I did not put a lot of
thought into this. I was just like, "Oh,
yeah, a little skin suit and some, you
know, some hair and w uh some uh sorry,
some hair and ears, you know, like
that's that's it. I did not put a lot
into this. You don't really need to
think that hard when it comes to Sonic.
I mean, it is a blue hedgehog that's got
like that whole anime spiked hair thing,
but like it's it's a it's blue guy. Wear
blue. That's all you really got to do.
Yeah. If you want to keep it simple.
Yeah. Just a creature. Just a creature.
I mean, like just a little blue guy.
Well, the whole the whole thing with it
is it's like it's one of those things
where it's like if you're trying to
cosplay something with a simple design,
there's only a few variations you could
make on it before it becomes
unrecognizable often times. And I think
the whole thing is keep it simple is
probably a key principle for cosplaying
in that front of cosplaying Sonic the
Hedgehog. Sure. Especially if you don't
have a lot of money, you know. Yeah.
Which I didn't. and I didn't have a lot
of money, so I was just going with a
basic. Right. Just keep it simple. It
gets the It gets the job done. It looks
like the character. You You did a good
job with the budget you had.
Thank you. You're welcome. Yeah. So, I I
think the only realistic way we're going
to get through um some of these next
ones are just by going through names. Um
because it's at this point it's just a
list of names of like people are just
like either they've been seen having an
issue with you and people are like this
is a fight that they had and it's like
okay or just like names of people that
maybe you've had associations with in
the past. So let's just not even rapid
fight just I'll name off a name. I'll
kind of explain the association get your
get your say on it. uh first name uh by
a person or a content creator by the
name of Chuga Conroy. Um apparently they
have been accused of solicitation of
someone underage. I don't know that much
about it. Um I'm sure somebody could
probably correct me or whatever. Uh
creepy accusation. Yeah, please do. I
don't uh Chuga Conroy is accused of
having weird DMs with someone underage
and
solicitation of uh photographs from Lady
Emily, not this Emily, of uh thieve
text. That's the accusations. Yeah.
Right. So, apparently people have said
that you've taken his side on this. Uh
there is a tweet I guess I'll read. Um
it's just in a reply to something and I
don't know what the full context is.
This is just somebody screenshot and
said this is her defense. Um it says now
I would understand it easier if this was
a younger person learning about how
boundaries work, but even with autism,
you can't just learn not to mail
someone's shoes and then ask them for
feet pics and trying to sexually
roleplay with friends through it doing
through doing it and being told not to
or something like that. So people are
like this is their defense of that. What
is your personal connection with Chuga
Conroy and do you stand by anything
weird that they have done or not done?
I have no connection with Chuga Conroy.
I' I've never known him personally. I
don't I've never worked with him. Just
nothing. There's no connection there.
This tweet is actually the opposite.
This is me actually saying, "No, what he
did is not okay." Because a lot of
people online were using his autism as
an excuse for his behavior. And this was
me responding saying, "Uh, no. You know,
I would get it maybe if this was like a
kid or something and they're learning
about certain boundaries, but you don't
This is not You shouldn't have to go to
all of these advances to have to learn
not to do this. This was actually me
[\h__\h] on Chuga Conroy, not defending
him. Gotcha. Okay. I figured that's what
it was cuz it doesn't read like a
defense. Like people are just like, "Uh,
oh, this is mostly what they must think
of autism." I'm like, "That doesn't read
like that. It's not like they're being
insulting. They're just saying that like
even with autism, you got to don't be
stupid. Like, you know, autism isn't
really an excuse for that.
I'm sorry. I in my opinion, I don't
think you can use autism as an excuse.
And I that was me responding to people
trying to excuse his behavior. Gotcha.
All right. Uh next next creep on the
blog. Um you've been in a couple of
videos with uh Toon Critic. Um, there
was a sketch pad interview and
apparently he did a cover of Wonderbolt.
It says piano version by Emily Jones. I
don't know if you guys actually did a
collaboration, but apparently he sings
Wonderbolt and the piano version was
apparently by you. Um, I don't think we
need to discuss what Toon Critic did.
That's kind of a well-known story at
this point. Thoughts and opinions. What
are what are they?
Okay, so what? Let me quickly explain
the cover thing. Um, that's not So,
that's the piano piece that I used. I
collaborated with somebody. He went by
Ivory Brony, and that is Ivory Brony's
piano uh piece that he made for me to
use for a cover of Wonderbolt, which
then
tune used on his own cover. Um, I have
nothing to do with that. That was just
uh the instrumentalist made the
instrumental public and so a couple
different people used it for their own
covers. But yes, he did interview me um
at one point, but then yes, eventually
uh that information came out about him
and uh he ran off the internet and I had
I wanted nothing to do with him at that
point. Like absolutely not. That was
disgusting uh when I found out about
that. And also too, I would later find
out from like a a close friend of mine
that this was somebody who was a fan of
my work and that made me even more
devastated. So yeah. No. Yeah, it's it's
gross. It's That's rough. It's Yeah. I
That broke my heart. You didn't have
like any other chance to like confront
him about this or anything or like have
a final say like [\h__\h] you, leave me,
never talk to me again kind of thing or
did he just kind of go whoop bye. You
know, he just Yeah. No, he by the time I
saw everything uh all of his stuff like
I think at this point I don't remember
if it was Skype or Discord. I want to
say Skype, but I I don't remember 100%.
But he had deleted everything at this
point by the time I had read everything.
So I remember just going, "Well, yeah,
that takes care of that." You know, [\h__\h]
that guy. Yeah, he's a piece of [\h__\h]
Um, next next uh Creep on the Block. Um,
Animated James has you um listed
starring in one of his C student uh
playlist. I'm not sure what this is. I
don't know. I'm not familiar with
Animated James, but um he has you uh
quoted here or not quoted, but starring
in a couple of projects of his. Um
Animated James is another one of those
that I'm not too familiar with other
than I know he has a fart fetish or
something like
that. So, the accusations became a
little bit bigger than that. I don't
know the finer details myself, but it is
more than a fart fetish. I will say
that. Okay. He's a creep. Thoughts and
opinions, Emily? What do you What do you
got to say about that?
Well, actually I I don't know what these
further accusations are. I just remember
that like so I was on the sea students
pilot and then by the time of the second
episode uh he wanted to go a different
direction with some of his characters.
So I stopped recording for him anyways.
And when I by the time I had heard about
all the fart fetish stuff, he deleted
all of his contact information and ran
off the internet. So, if actually if
there were other accusations, I don't
even know if I've heard them. I just
remember that he got outed for the
fetish and then ran and I never talked
to him again. Right. You just had the
one thing you worked on him for. It was
more like a business relationship. You
guys weren't like friends or anything
pretty much. Yeah. I mean, like we had
talked a few times like I remember
seeing him at at like conventions and
stuff and he seemed fine. He seemed
nice, but you know, you don't always
know. You know, this was mostly a
working relationship where I just did
this thing for C students. And
beforehand, he was going to have me do
one of those Sonic versus My Little Pony
character things, but it wound up
falling through. Gotcha. All right. I'd
like to interject right here because I
know that people will mention this if I
don't. Emily Jones has also worked with
Mando Pony in the past. I don't need to
go into what he's accused of here
because I talk about that in the actual
video, but we were planning on asking
Emily about him. It's simply slipped out
of the list that has 20 million things
on it. If you want my personal opinion,
we shouldn't hold collaborations with
people before their controversies
against others. It's one of the reasons
that I'm calling a lot of the
information out there dubious. Bringing
up the fact that Emily Jones worked with
Toon Critic is just not a good point
against her. Everyone worked with Toon
Critic when he was relevant. It's one of
the things that people like Toon Critic
do. They're fantastic at networking.
Cosmodor also did it too. They
ingratiate themselves to a community and
get associations with everyone. Let's
talk about Wrath of Nazo. Um so Wrath of
Nazo was a fan project um started up by
a couple of names that will be brought
back up later. Um one of those being
Gamer Guide Seven Aces. I never know how
to say his name. Um,
and one of the lead actors was this guy
by the name of Spirit of the Blue, who
was apparently voicing Sonic. Um, and
this leads to a little bit of a spat you
had with Blue-Eyed Fox, who accused you
of apparently sleeping with Spirit of
the Blue in order to get um, a voice
role over them. Um, I don't know if it
was directly um for Wrath of Nazo
exactly, but they do mention the tail uh
tales for misadventures in their uh
their DMs. Um, people ask him about it.
So, let's let's talk about Wrath of Nazo
um your whole thing with Blue-Eyed Fox.
First of all, let's just get this out of
the way. What is your relationship with
Spirit of the Blue exactly?
Oh, man. So yeah, Spirit of the Blue was
a guy who I was friends with uh for a
while. He did Sonic, you're right, for
Wrath of Nazo, but he also did Sonic for
this other uh project called um Sonic
Misadventures. And so all of this is
actually tied to Sonic Misadventures
directly. Um I've never been on Wrath of
Nazo. Like that was not I have never
been on that project. That was not a
conversation that's unrelated. I think
that came from maybe a weird game of
telephone. Um but the project that um
we're referring to is Sonic
Misadventures. This was something that
was headed by uh actually my friend Matt
was one of them and then a few other
names as well. And basically Blue-Eyed
Fox uh was kicked off of the team
because she was causing a bunch of
different issues. She was causing drama.
this was something that Spirit of the
Blue would actually bring up to me and I
would just do my best to kind of support
him through it. Like, yeah, you know,
I'm really sorry. I I don't know this
person, but I, you know, I hope things
get better. And eventually, at some
point, they they kicked her for all of
this drama. And, uh, at that point, they
needed a new Tales. So, they did a
public audition. They actually we it was
a public vote. So, there was three
different Tales actresses, and I was
actress number two. and people on
Twitter publicly voted who they wanted
on uh the role for Misadventures and I
just so happened to be voted in. Um this
would cause a huge issue between, you
know, Blue-Eyed Fox and I where she had
accused me of stealing this role from
her, taking it from her, uh sleeping my
way to the top so I could get it. And
this was not the case. You know, Spirit
didn't even have control of who was on
the cast. you know, this this had
nothing to really do with that. This was
everybody else who wanted me on there.
Um, but once I had gotten that role, it
wound up causing uh, sorry, Blue-Eyed
Fox to kind of develop this
very one-sided uh, hatred for me. This
would cause her to start constantly
posting about me. She actually became
friends with Lizzy because of you know
you know the enemy or the enemy of my
enemy is my friend type of deal. Um so
the two of them started kind of working
together to reach out to people and tell
people don't don't work with this girl.
She's evil. She's done she stole my
role. Um, this would cause her to uh do
a lot of really awful things. Like she
made a a Discord server that she would
bring people into and it was dedicated
to we're going to put all these horribly
damning things out about her. We're
going to make a website about her. We're
in they're photoshopping pictures of me
primarily blue-eyed. She's photoshopping
photos of me, you know, with bruises all
over my body. She's photoshopping semen
on my face. She's photoshopping me to
look like like Frankenstein, you know,
and and at one point even posting them
and making like it her public Twitter
banner and she changed her name to like
the True Tales and um at one point, you
know, it had gotten really really scary
because um all this was kind of going
on. There was even a point and this is a
different private account. I had had
again, geez, horrible experience with
private accounts, but um I had one and
it was like a general one for just all
of my friends. Uh very different to the
the other one in relation to Ryan. That
was a much smaller space, but this was
like kind of all of my friends and uh a
friend of
mine who we had our own kind of spat
because we were kind of politically
arguing. We had a lot of political
issues like he was very for Trump and
I'm just very liberal.
um we had our own problems and then he
became friends with her and he gave
access to his account to Blueeyed so
that she could read through my private
account and even you know got a hold of
this photo that was meant for you know
ingest. It was um this a picture that of
a gag gift that I had from a friend of
mine. It was a a purple suction cuped
dildo. I put it on my knee and I took a
picture of it for this account because
it was just supposed to be funny and
blue-eyed, you know, she screenshot this
and
she spread it around to different
people. She gave it to like this
12-year-old boy who tweeted it at me.
She was, it was just, it had gotten
everywhere and people were starting to
[\h__\h] shame me. people were making weird
assumptions about, you know, I guess the
the morality standpoint of owning a
dildo but also being a parent as if
those two can clash in some kind of way.
Um, it caused a lot of different things.
Uh, blue-eyed, you know, she was
somebody who I was
genuinely fearful of because her
behavior was just
so unhinged. You know, there was, you
know, like there were even comment uh
conversations that eventually had leaked
from her server where she's making
sexual comments like towards me,
but with my child in mind, saying, "Oh,
she she probably named her daughter Lucy
because she has a loose vagina and she's
loose." And you know, and it's just how
would you you make a comment at this
point? You know, my kid is five. Yeah.
You know, you're making a sexual remark.
You know, it's towards me, but it's with
a child. You didn't have to bring the
name up. Like, it could have just been
towards you and you didn't have to talk
about her kid at all kind of thing.
Yeah. No, and that was just I mean, it's
just I I don't know how else to describe
it apart from unhinged. This was not
something I took from her. This was
something that she got kicked off for
causing drama and I just so happened to
get voted in, you know, and since then
she actually attempted to do this with
other people. She reached out to like a
content creator who I had collaborated
with on like an animated piece and she
reached out to like this friend who I
collaborated with saying, "Hey, you
know, you you shouldn't work with Emily
anymore. You should let me voice tail."
So like there was an intention to do
what she was accusing me of doing. Um,
so it it's
just it's a mess. I I I don't even know
how else to describe it apart from just
a very very huge mess over getting a
Tales role for a series that wound up
getting cancelled anyways.
All of this for nothing effectively. It
didn't even happen. It didn't even come
out. So what was where did she get this
idea that you were sleeping with Spirit
of the Blue? Where the [\h__\h] does that
come from?
Well, she used to be good friends with
Spirit and then at a point because
Spirit liked me and started spending
more time with me, you know, she these
were like conclusions that were made
because of that.
Did Did Spirit of the Blue ever have
like any sort of romantic interest in
you? Is that where she thinks this is
coming from or
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yes. Uh, spirit.
Yeah, spirit. You know, he had feelings
for me, but I did not return them. I
communicated to him like several times
that I was not in the right headsp space
to, you know, have a relationship. I had
my own stuff going on. Like at this
point, I'm still, you know, living in a
kind of a chaotic situation at this
point, you know, from home. And I told
him I didn't really know him very well
and I just I wasn't really attracted to
him. Um, but he he he wasn't terribly
willing to accept that, but eventually,
you know, I kind of had to cut him off
because of that, you know. But yes, I I
had no interest in him. He had interest
in me. And that's where a lot of this
kind of came from. Okay. So, just cuz he
had like a a little bit of a crush on
you, she decided to like apparently make
that in her entire crusade mission
statement, I guess.
Yeah. and and most of it I would argue
is more towards losing the role I think
of Misadventures. I think that that was
just sort of this afterthought for her.
I think that she cared a lot more about
the role than really her own
relationship with Spirit, but that's
just me theorizing, you know? I I it's
just it's just weird, right? It's not
like you're in conversations with them
anyway. So, like, you know, No, no, no.
It's crazy how spiteful she is within
those actions alone.
I I know it. I couldn't believe how bad
it had gotten. Like my friend would come
back to me like the one who we'd had
that fight and then like he came back
and apologized saying, "I am so sorry
about this." Like I did not realize how
horrible this like she was. You know, it
was not until he was in a call with her
watching her photoshop bruises on me
that he just he got sick to his stomach.
you know, and that's that's sort of what
made him realize that he was
absolutely in the wrong crowd, right? I
mean, I I don't know very many people
who would photoshop bruises on people
for fun, you know? That's just me. I
can't think of I can't think of many.
No, like I just don't I don't understand
it. Yeah. So, of course, Blue-Eyed Fox
has uh kind of, as you know, Lizzy has
also done, kind of turned the tables and
say, "Well, your your fan base is toxic
and have been harassing them non-stop
about this whole thing." Um, more
specifically in um regards to somebody
called Radioactive um that was
apparently ordered to attack you.
Apparently, they allege that you were
dating this person radioactive and you
asked on your behalf to attack uh
blue-eyed fox.
What What's that about? Yeah.
So, basically, oh man, I just It's I
It's so I'm sorry. It's just It's just I
get it. It's It's ridiculous, right?
You're absolutely fine. Do not worry at
all.
Thank you. It's Radioactive was somebody
who uh you know we were friends. He came
to me at one point and said he had
feelings for me. Um and I was very
upfront with him saying look I don't I
don't know you very well. Like you're a
great friend and for me I just I don't
want to like start anything serious like
that with people who I don't know well.
You know, maybe some sometime down the
line if something were to change, if we
we did meet in person, maybe we got to
know each other, then maybe that's
something that could happen. But no
promises, we're friends. And um you
know, after a little bit of time of him
kind of hoping to have a relationship
and it not really paying off, Mhm. he
went to blue-eyed, you know, as his I
guess response to that. and uh said this
said that I I sked him onto her, but no,
like why I I don't gain anything by
having people go attack anybody. And
there's no tweets of these attacks
either. Like that none of this. It's
just none of it's true. It's just coming
from like some stuff that's like, oh,
well, there's part of something here,
but then there's also bits of it that
there's it's there's no truth to it at
all, you know? No, I get that. And you
know how these gossip sets can be
sometimes, you know, when they decide
like arbitrarily like this is the person
who is objectively in the wrong even
though they're just like, well, is there
any proof that they're in the wrong?
Like are we basing that on actual
screenshots you're taking or are we just
jumping on a hate bandwagon for a bit?
Are we just taking a screenshot of some
guy saying it happened and there
sometimes that's all it takes, right?
Godamn.
Yeah. Yep. So, all right, moving on to
the next name on our list here. Uh,
let's talk about Super Speed Sonic. Uh,
Ricardo, as his real name is, has posted
this thing on their Twitter about an
incident that took place at Sonic
Revolution. I'm assuming that's some
sort of gaming convention or like a
showcase for Sonic stuff, saying that
you got them intentionally kicked out of
this um event. Um, what's that about?
What's your relationship with him?
I mean, there's no like we were never
friends, like we never really spoke to
each other. This was more so uh Ricardo
would make a lot of tweets online that a
lot of people within the Sonic community
space were very aware of um that were
borderline kind of misogynistic, very
questionable things. Um, one of these
comments were about, you know, how women
above the age 25, they they need like
what are you doing trying to like get in
the date, you know, don't don't come
date me. You should have kids and a
whole family by now, you know. And uh, a
lot of women did not take well to uh
some of these tweets, including me. Um,
and on top of that too, he had his own
run-ins with uh, content creator uh, Sam
Procrastinates. And uh because of this,
you know, he's just somebody who has
just made me feel kind of uncomfortable
about them. No hatred, no nothing like
there's nothing strong. It's just h
Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that
guy. He just kind of just wouldn't go
out of your way to get a beer with that
person.
Yes, absolutely. And there was a point
at uh it was Sonic Revolution. You're
right. It's a Sonic uh convention in
California. and he was in line to see
the actors. However, I share this like
long table with all of them. So, in
order to like be in line with these
guys, like he has to pass right in front
of me uh to potentially interact with
me. And not to say he was going to
purposely come up and talk to me, but a
couple friends of mine who were aware of
that discomfort, they messaged me and
said, "Hey, like just a, you know, a
heads up, he's in the line. He's getting
kind of close to you." So, I told my
partner Cam, "Hey, I'm going to like
just step away for a few minutes because
I didn't really want to have any kind of
interaction." Um, so I left. I spent
time with a few of my friends. We kind
of, you know, just kind of talking about
it and they were mentioning that they
were kind of shocked he was allowed in
because he apparently was blacklisted
from the other Sonic event, Sonic and
Sega fan. I know I've mentioned that
name before. So that event he I guess
had been blacklisted because of his own
situation with the other content creator
um Sam Procrastinates.
So they brought that up along with the
fact that there was this entrance that
people were using at the convention that
people weren't supposed to be using. Uh
and so they were just kind of talking
about like yeah I mean we're kind of
shocked he's even kind of allowed in
here because of what happened and he has
been using this door. And I I was just
like, "Yeah, I'm not sure." You know,
maybe something's to do with that, but I
don't know. Anyways, he's passed my
table. I'm going to go sit back down
cuz, you know, I had people waiting for
me. And I sat back at my table. I
continued to interact with fans. And
then I think it was probably like 20
minutes later. Uh the head of Sonic Revo
came up to me and Cam and said, "Hey,
don't worry. We took care of it." And
we're like, "What are you talking
about?" And he's, you know, they were
like, "We we kicked out Ricardo, you
know, like you wanted." And we're like,
"Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, what do you
mean? You kicked him out? We we don't
want that. No, no, no. You don't have to
kick him out. Oh my god." And they said,
"Yeah, no. That's what you you said,
right?" And we're like, "No, we none of
us said that, you know, and we we didn't
even know what was going on at that
point until they left to kind of
reconvene and talk about what was going
on, you know, and they came back and
said that it was one of these friends
who I was talking to. They mentioned,
you know, how he has been using the
wrong entrance and, you know, they
brought up like the fan jam thing and
how I was kind of uncomfortable and I
said, "Yeah, no, like look, yeah, like
this, he makes me a little
uncomfortable. He doesn't have to be
kicked out though. Like it's not like
that, you know. No, let him let him back
in. And me and Cam were literally
saying, "No, bring him back in here."
But at that point, Ricardo had already
reacted very strongly, which
understandably, um, making the head of
Sonic Rebel cry. So, they decided to
just blacklist him altogether. And so,
that's where that went. And then in the
midst of me being at this convention
just trying to get through the day, that
that post was posted. And uh we had to
speak to them again, like, "Hey, this is
getting really out of hand. Now he's on
Twitter telling people that I I got him
kicked out, you know, and so they said,
"Yeah, we're going to look into it."
Eventually after like the end of the
event, uh I reached out to him. Uh my
partner Cam reached out to him. Sonic
Revo also reached out to him. We tried
to communicate as much as we could. I
had even responded myself explaining my
side of that. Um, but this was something
that he had never really corrected. But
Sonic Revo did reach out to him. I did
post that online too, just to keep
everybody in the loop like, "Hey, Sonic
Revo did explain what actually happened
here, you know, but um, Ricardo never
then corrected that information." But
that is what my side of the story is.
Um, I I don't care if some guy who even
if I even if I just hate them. I don't
care if they're there as long as it is
somebody is nobody who has any
intentions on causing some kind of
problem, you know, like putting me in
danger. As long as it's like that, I
don't care who goes to a convention, you
know. So, this
No, no, not at all. Like, absolutely.
We're all here to celebrate Sonic, you
know. It was just this weird thing. Even
that night, the friend of mine who had,
you know, reached out like apologizing
like, "Hey, I'm so sorry. I did not mean
to like have you thrown under the bus in
all of this. I just wanted to make sure
he was supposed to be there because of
the fact that he was blacklisted at this
other event and because he was using a
different entrance, right? Um, so yeah.
Yeah, that's that's what happened. That
kind of puts you on the spot, too,
though. I mean, I get that like
ultimately, you know, a convention, you
know, has a say in whether or not you're
allowed to be there or not, but it it
kind of puts you on the spot when they
say like, "Oh, cuz you voiced being
uncomfortable. We're going to take that
as our our lead to like kick somebody
out." And that kind of just puts it on
you inadvertently cuz they're like, "Oh,
we kicked him out cuz you said
something." And it's like, "Well, yeah,
I voiced an opinion that I had of them,
but that didn't mean that didn't equate
to please kick this person out." If you
wanted Ricardo kicked out, I think you
would have just said something. I think
you yourself would have said so.
Absolutely. Yes. This and it was also a
game of telephone. It wasn't even me
going to Revo and saying, "Hey, I'm
uncomfortable." This was I'm talking to
like my group of friends and then my
friend mentions I'm uncomfortable and
then and then they make a decision based
off of that. So, you're right. It does.
Without even
Yeah. And I we even asked like you know
you like you should have talked to us
and they're like oh well we we thought
that this is just how you felt and uh
yeah it was just it was kind of
mishandled really poorly you know it was
I mean not a good situation. Yeah. The
least they could have done is at least
asked to reconfirm that that's something
you felt. You know what I mean? Instead
of just like basing it off of what your
friends said or whatever.
Yeah. Like I do appreciate they they the
people who run Sonic Revo. They are
really great people, but I do wish Yes.
in that situation, I really wish that
they had just checked with me.
Mhm. So, let's move on past Ricardo and
talk about Dylan Thomas now. Okay. I
don't know if I know
that I know that like Sorry, that's a he
has like apologized to you in regards to
some uh things. Um I'll read the tweet.
Um he says that he is deeply sorry for
his recent video. It turns out that the
victim associated with the case was an
impostor that is out to ruin Emy's life.
I've made a massive mistake not looking
into that further and I have taken the
video down and will redo and remove the
victim's account. Um, so at the at the
very least in the past, he's been at
least friendly to you. At least he's
been able he's corrected himself about
misinformation about you. So that's
something. Um, but apparently he and you
are not cool for certain reasons. And I
just wanted to ask about that. Like
first of all, like in terms of this
victim impostor thing, what what is that
in reference to? Let's start there.
It's It's in reference to Lizzy again.
Oh god. Um, Lizzy
Yep. We go back to Lizzy. Lizzy made
a anonymous Reddit account uh posing as
a guy saying that I you know I I took
advantage of him and and it's it's
titled a bully named Emily Jones if I
remember correctly. Um and it's just all
kinds of misinformation. Nothing no kind
of substance behind it at all. It's just
this hit piece on me. And uh Dylan
included this in a video about me in
this Reddit. It actually talks about an
experience that I had when I was 16 when
I was on the Dr. Phil show. And because
of that, Dylan then found out about me
being on there. But the initial video
was to showcase this Reddit post. It
wasn't until he uploaded it and
everybody in the comment section pointed
out, uh, dude, this guy, like the the
Reddit, this this is Lizzy. And the
reason you're able to put that together
is because when you click on the
account, the only other things that
she's posting are things that only Lizzy
would post, including art of her own
character with Sonic. It's literally her
OC character that she's made. And she's
talking about how much she likes Kappa
Mikey, which is something that everybody
knows that she's a fan of, and stuff
like that. So everybody was able to very
quickly put together this was Lizzie
just making another post trying to
spread misinformation and so luckily yes
Dylan uh he received that information
well and he apologized for it. So he
then deleted that video but then cut so
just just cut off all of the
misinformation from the Reddit and then
proceeded to make a full video just
about his new discovery which was just
me being on Dr. Phil. Right. Was that
account uh I I was able to find it back
in. Was it the account called For the
Love of Mike with the number four? Yep.
Yep. Yes, that's the one. Yeah. Oh boy.
Lizzy is back in the picture. So yeah,
that that is a reoccurring name. Yeah.
So I don't know how much you want to
talk about your experience with Dr. Phil
cuz Dylan Thomas is kind of the main
reason why everyone knows that this is
something that was a part of your life.
Um, you don't have to go into details
about it because I know that I know the
the reputation of the Dr. Phil show is
very traumatic for a lot of people that
go on there. Um, you don't have to go
into details on that, but like what was
that experience having people like ask
you about just being on the show?
Um, so I mean I guess are you referring
to when Dylan made it public? Yeah, like
when Yeah, like when he made it public,
like when were people like asking you
about it and just like kind of like
being super invasive about your
experience on it or like
were they making fun of you for being on
the show, you know?
Yeah. A lot of people were kind of
teasing me. And so, basically, he put
that video up. I became aware of
obviously the Dr. fill aspect being
outed, but because he took down the
first one uh with the Reddit part
chopped off, I think it took him like a
day or so to like re-upload it. And then
in that time frame, I decided, okay, you
know, I this is something that happened
to me when I was a kid after I graduated
high school. I wanted to just kind of
move on, not think about it anymore.
But, you know, it's the internet. You're
going to have people figure things out
like that. And uh so I decided if this
is gonna come out, I might as well talk
about my experience on it. So I I did
make a post because of Dylan making that
video uh explaining what happened so I
could explain just my side of it and
people aren't just seeing Dylan's video
and you know not really knowing all the
context for it. But yeah, a lot of
people, you know, were teasing me and
saying all kinds of things, people
asking me questions um just about how it
happened and how I feel about it. And uh
yeah, I mean, it it was not a great
experience, but at the same time,
ultimately, I'm glad that I don't have
to keep trying to not pretend it didn't
happen. Like, I'm glad I don't have to
like it's not a it's not a secret, you
know? Like I I didn't want it to be
something that everybody knew because I
know there's going to be judgment no
matter what. Even though I was a child
and I was definitely, you know, a victim
of that show. You know, not everyone's
going to see it that way. But it it's
out. It's just, you know, that's part of
my life and I'm I'm glad at least that
is not something I have to kind of run
away from anymore. Um, however, with
this video that Dylan made, uh, he also
included photos of my kid in this video
without my permission. And so, this
would then cause me to send in a privacy
complaint to get the video removed. Uh,
just because I don't I don't want people
who I, you know, these are just
strangers uploading videos and and
showcasing images, videos, and stuff of
my child, you know. So, that's that's
where that kind of led, right? Was your
child's face like not censored like
inherently on the show that they just
kind of show that for everybody to see?
Well, my child wasn't on the show. So,
this was when I I was a kid and I was
pregnant and but then Dylan would then
dig and like look around for things and
then find pictures and videos of my kid
and then would just kind of show like
literally pictures of like me and my
family going to Disney and stuff like
that. and it's just talking about it and
showing all of this and it was just it's
not something that a mom really wants to
see. You know, most parents wouldn't
want, you know, these random especially
drama YouTubers, you know, to have their
kid attached to that, right? Yeah. Okay.
I thought that that your kid was like
featured on the show and you were trying
to like copyright or not copyright but
have a privacy complaint on a clip that
wasn't inherently yours or something.
But now knowing that like he tried to
find pictures of your child or
something, that is a little weird.
That's a little weird. It is like it's
weird when people do it to family
channels and you're not a family
channel. Like
Right. Right. Like then I kind of would
get it, you know, if like, oh, my whole
YouTube is just video vlogs or
something. But no, it was not like that.
So seeing that, it was kind of
horrifying. Like, oh my god. Yeah. It's
It's like deciding to be like, "Ah, this
infant private figure who cannot consent
to being on camera. Yes, that's my
smoking gun." Yeah. Yes. Let's put this
on a drama video. Like, that's just
that's not right. Yeah. It would be one
thing, I guess, if it were like if they
if your child's face was featured on Dr.
Phil and that was just like something
inherently part of the show that like
Dylan just kind of featured cuz maybe he
like I don't know live streamed and
watching that episode or something. I
don't know. But like it's another thing
for that to not be featured on the show
at all and for him to be like let me go
digging and see where this kid is if
this kid's alive or like what they look
like today cuz this Dr. Phil clip's old
or whatever the hell. That's weird.
That's really weird. Yep.
So, I guess that would happen. And
that's why I'm like, "Yeah, no." Yeah. I
guess that then, you know, cuz people
were saying that like you were trying to
take his whole channel down, but like if
it was just like just that video because
he was like trying to like showcase your
kid. I I guess I kind of understand that
cuz like that kid can't consent to being
on a rando like a random stranger's
YouTube channel. That's weird.
It's just Exactly. I can't I can't ever
see an actual event in my life where I'm
like I know what I have to do. Expose
the child. Yeah. Yeah. Like like let's
bring forth a kid now that we're already
talking about it. Like that's so
strange. Yeah. Some some are just weird.
It's just such an invasion of private.
I agree. And not to mention Dylan Thomas
gets later canled anyway. So you know
what? Maybe you were always in the
right. Maybe maybe you just were ahead
of the curve. I don't know. Maybe you
foresaw the future, you know? Well, even
even before he got like publicly
cancelled by everybody, most people in
the Sonic community space did not like
him because he constantly would pick
fights with people. He would make really
mean, like just mean-spirited videos
about a lot of people. And because of
that, even before he technically got
cancelled like outright and it got like
very, it was very public. Um, I guess
public's not the right word. I guess
very like mainstream. Like everybody,
all of these other communities finding
out about him. Even then, just people
within the uh the Sonic community space
were like, "Oh god, this dude.
He already has a bad reputation.
That's Yeah, unfortunately."
All right. So, this is just a random
Twitter user. I I know that you This is
probably not really This is kind of like
a side thing. um just it involves a lot
of different guys, but I said I would
rewrite back to it. So, this g the gamer
guy um Seven Aces who was part of the
Wrath of Nazo thing got into a little
bit of a uh a I was going to say
four-way. That's not a good word for it.
Um he was part of a group of friends,
one of which was even Dylan Till and
Thomas from later that we discussed. um
a guy named uh Lord Danny and a guy
named Cissonic aka uh Francisco. They
were in a bit of a group chat. Yeah.
Talking about trying to get you
investigated or arrested or something in
regards
to a dildo, which you have discussed
with blue with blue-eyed fox. Um, were
you aware that these four guys were
apparently trying to like say that they
need to call the police on you for a
dildo?
Well, I did not know until some of those
screenshots began to leak to the public.
I found out about them eventually. Uh,
but yeah, this was something that even
from the beginning, like Blue-Eyed would
say these things like, you know, how how
could she have a dildo? She has a child.
And my immediate thought
is, okay, what what's your mom probably
has a dildo? What what's what what are
you trying to get at here? You know,
like it's not like this is, you know, a
public setting and like the kid, you
know, my child's in the photo. This was
in the privacy of my bedroom at 3:00 in
the morning. my kid is sleeping. And
yeah, this was this was something that
had just kind of sparked starting with
Blue-Eyed and eventually led to this
group chat that I didn't know about
immediately, but then would find out
about once those screenshots had leaked.
And uh you know it was it was something
uh that was something that Gamer Guide
in particular it was something like that
was something that Gamer Guide in
particular like he really tried to like
cancel me over this like he he really
thought this was going to be like
this juicy information that was just
going to like I guess ruin me. You know,
this is kind of what they thought, I
guess. And they did talk about god
forbid parent, gosh forbid parents have
their own lives. Like, right, the minute
you give birth to a child, your life is
all about that child
24/7. Nothing. If everything that you
must do is about that one child, right?
Yeah. Yeah. You can't I don't know if
you guys knew this, but like when you
have sex and you have a kid, you can't
[\h__\h] again. Sorry, we might have to
sense that part out.
Oh my god. You know what I mean? Like
that seems mindset here. Uh trust me,
we're we're allowed to swear on this
channel.
Okay. Okay. It's only It's only my
channel. There's no swear on. Uh okay.
Okay. Sorry. As I said it, I'm like,
"Oh, wait. Hold on." No, it's already
It's okay. People are used to me
dropping that particular fbomb. Yeah,
that's uh the talk of the s fluid might
be a little bit of a surprise for them,
but um
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swearing swearing go to town. This is
the weirdest interview I've ever been
where I'm like, can we talk about the
dildo incident? I never thought I'd have
to ask that question.
Like, what's the incident? Well, you
have you have one. Okay. [\h__\h] Did you
mention you mentioned this because you
said you when we were talking about
Blue-Eyed Fox that this was like a gag
gift from your friends or something?
Like you didn't even buy this for
yourself. You just had this as a joke.
Yes. Because like I remember I was like
18 and uh I got invited to like a sex
toy party and I was very like
uncomfortable. I was like I don't want
to be here. This is too much for me. And
like all of my friends, they're having
so much fun and this is just whatever.
And at the end they're like ordering
toys and all this and they wound up
ordering that for me just to like kind
of tease me you know and make fun of it
was a gag gift to like kind of like you
know lighten up. It's it's not the end
of the world you know you being in this
at this party. And uh yeah for a little
while I held on to it because I thought
it was really funny. I mean to be fair
like my friend used to work at a
Spencers and like you know how Spencers
are, right? They got all the memorabilia
of dicks and that that's what she would
get as dag gag gets like dick popsicles
or something like that like cuz she
worked there. She got a discount. She
thought it was funny. I'm like you know
what this is really funny. I don't know
if I can eat this with a straight face
but thank you. Thanks. Yes. No. Exactly.
Exactly. And that's how I felt with
this. I'm like well thank you. I'm not
going to do anything with this, but
thank you. You know, it's just for a
little while, I just anytime I would
like talk to friends, I'm like, "Look,
look what my friends got me." Like my I
would talk to like online people and be
like, "Yeah, this is what like my my IRL
friends gave me." And that was part of
that. I just thought it was funny to
Yeah. It's It's just funny, you know?
Yeah. So, was their thought process like
maybe some sort of like cuz I couldn't
imagine like having a dildo and having a
kid at the same time be an illegal
offense? Like did they think that they
like was it a child endangerment thing?
I'm trying to figure out why having a
dildo and a kid is at the same time is
illegal cuz I don't think it is.
I'll be honest, the immediate thought to
me was, why is it that when you find out
that I have one, why is it that the
first thing you're thinking of is
bringing up my child? I think that's
really strange. Yeah. You know, like,
okay. Like, again, I'm going to repeat
myself. Like, a lot of your moms
probably have them. They're they're just
hiding somewhere. Right. Right. That is
a bit of a weird reaction that they're
like, "Dildo, what about her child?"
Like, it's like, "Why is that your first
thought?" Okay. Like,
okay. Yeah, that's it's kind of a it's a
weird first thing to think about. Like,
what what about her? You know, I my What
does what do those two have anything to
correlate? I don't understand.
Yeah, it's it's strange. So, yeah, I I
was aware of all of that.
I will say this, you know, Lord Danny
and I are friends now and and Sysconic
uh did apologize for everything and does
not stand by any of that behavior
either. So those two, you know, I
they're cool, you know. The other two
I'm not Well, they they brought up your
kid in association with a dildo. I too
also probably wouldn't be friends with
them either, to be fair. Yeah. Yep. So
that was strange. Um, moving
on. Let's talk about Yeah, let's talk
about uh Soul Rock. Let's get into the
MLP side of things. Um, this was
apparently something where people kind
of made speculations about your guys'
relationship. People have been saying
that you were trying to push your kid
onto him or something like that or like
that's how cuz it was kind of public
that your guys' relationship wasn't
good. And I think you can probably
attest to that being true given that
your breakups were very public. Um, what
is your whole deal with Soul Rock? Like
what's your opinion of him? Like how
what is your, you know, statement on
your guys' relationship? I know this was
several years ago, so nobody cares. Like
it's nothing you need to talk about
because you're in a currently great
relationship, but people have had
comments to say about it. I just
wondering, you know, what's that about?
Yeah. So, so I guess in when it comes to
the relationship at that time, um, yeah,
I would say it was not not really a a
terribly positive uh, relationship. I
I'm able to look back on some of the
positive moments and I, you know, I'm
happy for those moments. However, I
would say that it just
wasn't it was toxic. I would agree with
that because um he really did not wish
to be a stepparent but he still wanted
to be in a relationship with me and that
was complicated because for me I was
still you know younger and I I felt okay
well maybe this is just the reality as a
like a teen parent you know as a single
mother who's young maybe nobody's going
to accept me you know for having a kid
maybe this is just sort of the reality
and I unfortunately let myself stay in a
relationship with somebody who would say
things like, you know, when I imagine us
on dates, I don't imagine a stroller
with us. And I would just kind of
pretend that didn't hurt. And I would
kind of try to like let it roll off
because I thought this was just normal.
I thought, well, I'm this is how it's
going to be probably in any
relationship, so whatever, you know? But
then we were dating for so long and he
was aware of my child since the
beginning. And yeah, we broke up in a
way where it was just I don't want to do
this because I I ultimately I don't want
to uh be a steparent and I don't I
wouldn't put that on anybody, you know.
However, I think it is strange to remain
in a relationship with somebody for so
long if that is how you feel about that.
I think that there was sort of a desire
for me to fix it. You know, I I think
that he didn't really want me to just
keep my child and I was not really
obviously willing to push on that. And
so eventually we broke up and it was
just honestly I didn't have a very solid
support system at home and because of
that I was oversharing and we were both
oversharing and talking about very
personal things and uh we just had this
very ugly breakup because of it you know
like it sucks because you know they were
positive things. We traveled the world
together and there were good parts of
it. But I think that we're both able to
walk away from it just acknowledging
that this just wasn't something good for
each other. You know, if he doesn't want
kids, that's okay for him and for me. I
deserve somebody who wants to have my
child with me who who loves me and my
child. So, you know, no animosity
towards him. But yeah, it did obviously
end up very public and very uh ugly,
right? And I mean, there's certain
stipulations in relationships where it's
like things that are non-negotiable,
right? If he doesn't want to have like
be in a relationship where kids are
already in the picture, don't date
somebody that has a kid. Uh that's
pretty standard practice. Uh, and as for
you, if someone's dating you, it's just
like, I, you know, don't want your kid
in the picture or whatever, you can be
like, well, I can't just make her go
away. She's already here. Like, I'm not
going to choose you over this kid.
Sorry. Like, yeah, we were both kind of
a part of that toxicity because I just
kind of again, I I thought that it was
normal. I thought, well, no one else is
going to accept me, so I guess this is
just what it is. And I I hate it because
I look back on it like God, why didn't
you just leave at that point? Just
leave. If if he doesn't want if he
doesn't want if he doesn't love my
child, then I need to leave, you know?
Right. It was just it was a good lesson
though. That's Yeah.
You know, you want to be, you know,
something more than just a mother. So,
you're in a relationship where he treats
you right and you're just like, "Oh,
this is really nice. This is something
for me." And it's not but you know the
thing is if there's a dealbreaker in a
relationship just accept that that dealb
breaker's there and move on you know
kind of thing and I get that like you
want to be your own person with your own
relationship that's not attached to your
daughter but you know a daughter your
daughter's a big part of you you know
and people have got to accept that part
of you like yeah not that you guys are
like a sold package together like you
have to like you know but it's like you
have to at least accept that she's not
going anywhere. her like I'm not she's
here like yes either deal with it or
don't you know but I would yeah but I
would even say you know I I want
somebody who loves my child too you know
and luckily I have that now I do have
somebody who loves me and my child you
know and I'm very very lucky for that a
that's sweet I'm I'm very happy for you
for that cuz I'm not a parent you know I
have never had kids when very young
that's really scary but
I imagine if I were going to be a
parent, you know, I would want my people
around me to also equally like my kid,
you know, like if I had like this friend
who would like, "Oh, your kid's [\h__\h]
annoying." I'd just be like, "Then get
the [\h__\h] away from me. Like, I can't
make her go away." Like, I don't know
what you want me to do. I'm sorry. My
kid's annoying.
Yeah. Exactly. You know, I Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I understand now
these tweet there's a couple of tweets
that were um archived on a Gossip Stark
that that most of this was archived on
from horse.org. Uh rest in peace because
it doesn't exist anymore. But uh a lot
of these were you're saying like oh two
years later and now you decide not to be
a step parent. Like I understand that
frustration cuz it's like you knew that
the kid's here the whole time. Like if
you if that was a dealbreaker for you
where you're just like I don't want this
kid around. You should have thought
about that two years ago because I It's
not like I was hiding that from you for
two years. It's been here like Yep. It's
Yes, exactly. I've been completely
upfront literally since the start of the
relationship, right? Seems it seems a
little strained to like just be like,
I'll date her, but I'll just pretend the
kid doesn't exist. Like it's that's a
little hard to do. Yeah. It's just not
It just wasn't good for both of us. And
I think neither of us knew how to really
handle it, you know? Um, again, I really
wish we both weren't oversharing. Like,
holy [\h__\h] I look back on that like, god
damn it, that's cringey as hell. Why was
I why was I oversharing so much, you
know? So, lessons lessons to be learned.
Do not tell social media everything,
right? Any ill feelings towards Solar in
current day or you just have no rel like
just blank slate with him like he's
doing whatever, you know?
You know, I don't know. I mean, it's a
thing where we attempted to be friends
at one point, but ultimately it just it
just didn't work out. And I'm I have no
ill feelings towards him. You know, he
the way that things have been, it hasn't
been great, but I got nothing against
him. You know, the other way around a
little different, but I'm not really
going to speak on that. Sure. Okay. So,
you know, his opinion might be
different, but nobody wishes no ill will
on anybody.
Yeah. Right. All right. So, let's talk
about my favorite thing. And by
favorite, I mean weirdest thing in this
list. Let's talk about Stephen
Sers. So,
I knew as soon as you said that, like,
oh, here I go. This is the only reason
this is my favorite thing is because
when you explained this to me like in
the first call we've had I busted out
laughing because I'm like wait is this
actually how this is. This is crazy. So
let's talk about that now in recorded
format. My favorite thing Steven Sers
apparently was some dude who worked at
um Sierra Entertainment the publishers
of Halflife Team Fortress Classic Spyro
and Crash Bandicoot. In 2009, Steven
Sers was contacted by somebody and did
this sort of interview. Well, in I say
in 2009, he's talking about an incident
in 2009. He was actually contacted. I
don't even know when this was, but
somebody reached out to him and did some
sort of like text interview, and this
ended up on the internet of him
apparently saying in 2009, you tried to
reach out to him claiming to be a
21-year-old who wants to drink and have
sex and party and whatever with him in
order to get up in the ranks of Sierra
Entertainment.
Um, yeah. Apparently, apparently. Why
don't you tell me about this Steven guy?
Who is this Steven guy to you? Okay.
A stranger. This is a stranger online. I
don't know who the hell this guy is,
apart from what I have now looked up
about him since seeing these
screenshots.
This I don't know who this guy is. After
Lizzy showed me these screenshots, no
idea. Like after Lizzie showed me these
screenshots, I then started to look up
who the hell this guy was because I'm
like, who is this? And I looked up,
okay, what's Sierra Games? And I I I've
never spoken to this guy in my life.
What's crazy is he's talking about 2009
and I'm like 14 at this point, you know?
I'm like, you said 2009. like I'm I'm
just now becoming a freshman in high
school.
Yeah. To which he, if I remember
correctly, he even states that all of
this happened on Snapchat. Am I right on
that? Uh, yes. So, in one of the
screenshots, if I can find it real
quick.
Uh, I don't know if I'll be able to find
it. Yeah, 2008 is when he was um working
at Activision Blizzard. Um, he met Emily
around 2013 or so. So, I guess it wasn't
back in 2009. In 2009, I think he's
talking about how he used to work um at
Sierra Entertainment. Uh, 2009, he was
only working there, I think, on the SWAT
series. So, that's what might be what
he's talking about. He's claiming to
have met you in
2013. So, that's what that's
okay.
So, I'm sorry if that was confusing.
I thought so too. He's saying in one of
these text messages he left in 2008 but
still managed uh Activision like when
Sierra Entertainment like merged with
Activision and Blizzard. So he said he
met you around 2013 or so. Um okay. So
that makes more sense. All right. I'm
confusing myself here. It does make a
lot more sense. Yeah. Well, well, I'll
be honest. Like, I don't even think that
because when Lizzie showed this to me,
that's how I had interpreted it, too,
was I I I remember telling Lizzie I was
a child because there were remarks, if I
remember correctly, in these DMs that
says, you know, I think one of one of
the people working here, like we one of
us might be like the the father to her
kid. And I was pregnant as a teenager
and so that's a strange implication to
make. And I think Lizzie even pointed
that out saying to him, "Well, well, I
don't know. That adds up because she was
like 16 at the time." And I think he
began to like backpedal if I remember
correctly. Um, so yeah, this is this is
a random guy. I don't know who this guy
is. There was even a point in time where
I considered reaching out to him because
seeing somebody say something like that
was just it's it's upsetting. You know,
I don't know who the hell these guys
are. just some guy just spreading around
a a dirty rumor that I oh yeah, she
totally wants me, you know, and it's I
when I considered reaching out, I found
his Facebook, saw one of his posts
talking about his kid being sick, and I
just felt like, you
know, I'm not I'm not piling on to it.
you know what he did him spreading these
rumors. I think that this was shitty.
But he already obviously has a lot going
on as in his life. So, you know, oh
well, I decided not to confront him over
it because I didn't want to really pile
on. But, no, this is just a stranger
online who just made [\h__\h] up and then
this was in a conversation with Lizzie
and then Lizzie uh posted the
screenshots online, you know, and there
have been people kind of running with
this idea of me doing this, but yeah. No
truth to it at all. Yeah, it says that
um reached out to me about two years
ago, but that was the last time I heard
from her. She wanted me to [\h__\h] her and
go to a party with her. She messaged me
on Snapchat. I'm not sure how she got
it. Didn't respond and I didn't ask. Uh
apparently this person was claiming you
were 20 or 21 at the time apparently
saying that like you want to have his
babies or something like that. Like
these these are weird things to say
about somebody that and I want to say
that maybe he's just thinking it's a
different Emily because Emily's Emily
Jones both Emily and the last name Jones
is a very common first and last name. So
I'm like is he talking about somebody
else but no he's like talking about how
you try to sleep your way up in the
ranks of Sega too. So I'm like no you're
talking about the Emily Jones. What the
[\h__\h] is going on? Like what? That's a
good point actually. And it's going off
of information that doesn't line up. For
starters, I had a Snapchat, but I didn't
talk to people on it. I only downloaded
Snapchat back in like 2016 just so I
could use the filters because I thought
they were cute. I didn't talk to anybody
on the app. And also too, after I gave
birth, I didn't want to have more kids
because actually my birth was traumatic.
So for me to be like, "Oh, I I want all
these kids. I want your kid." That's I
actually I'm good. I I had a very
traumatic experience giving birth and I
it it's just none of that matters
obviously, but to me it's irritating
because it's just you're not even trying
to be convincing with the stuff you're
making up, right? It just seems so
random and weird. Like I don't
understand. Like he he's saying that
like you apparently tried to harass him
and he's he mentioned being his
sheriff's deputy and that's what got you
to stop. And I'm like, dude, I don't I
don't know what the hell you're talking
about. Like, this is the craziest thing
I've ever seen in my life.
This is like again, I really want I
really wanted to DM him and be like,
"Who the hell do you think you are?" You
know, but I'm I'm glad I didn't, you
know, it's just situations like that.
It's better not to give them that
attention because I I assume that's what
they want out of that. Yeah. And I mean
like it what kind of conversation could
you possibly have? I mean to be honest
even if you did say do something like
that I wouldn't even blame you but at
the same time it's like would that be a
productive
conversation? Probably not. Right. And
and I thought about that too. I thought
there's no way this is going to be
productive. You know he's either going
to not respond to me or he's going to
deflect or say that he never said these
things or whatever, you know? Right. So
random. [\h__\h] crazy as [\h__\h] It's just
weird. I I just it's it's it's I I'm so
sorry, you know. Yeah, that's so shitty.
That's what a [\h__\h] weirdo.
It's just something that, you know, it
does happen. Like, not to everybody, but
you know, as like a as a female content
creator, it's, you know, it's not the
only time I've experienced people just
being, you know, just spreading around
rumors like that. So, you know. Yeah. I
mean I mean if I get to a point in my
whole online
anim what's the word? What am I saying?
If I ever get a point in my online
infamy where people are being like yeah
I totally had sex with that person. I'd
be like what in the world? Like I would
just delete my channel at that point.
I'm like just leave me alone. Like this
is the craziest thing ever.
I get it. But honestly like that's how
you know you've made it. You know,
people are just I guess Jesus Christ. I
guess that's I've made it. You know,
people are bragging about non-existent
sex, you know,
dude. I can never That's insane.
Apparently, that's something I guess I
have to look forward to is people making
up stories about me apparently having
sex with random people. I love that for
me. That's going to be so much fun.
Thanks for the heads up. This isn't even
This is not even the only time this has
like this happened a few times. There
was one time where this one, it was a
kid, this was like a 15-year-old kid and
like a group of people like confronted
me over this because this was like a kid
who convinced like a large group of
developers to like make a game for them
and he was claiming like, "Yeah, you're
making a game and it's going to be for
Sega and like here's the NDA and they
all came to me because I I guess this
kid told them that uh I was going to
voice one of the characters and I I you
Being somebody who is obviously, you
know, I've talked with people at Sega,
uh, they confronted me and I said,
"Yeah, none of that is happening, guys.
This is not like an official piece. This
kid is just having you do a bunch of
stuff for him, you know." And then they
brought up, "Oh, well, I imagine the
other stuff's not real either." And I
said, "What other stuff?" And they said,
"Yeah, this Yeah, I know. I'm like, oh
god." And he said, well, he said that he
saw you at a convention and he like he
got like a drink with like one of the
Sega reps and then he proceeded to like
have his way with you and then he tossed
dollar bills on your body and I was
like, "Huh? What the?" And this a
15year-old kid. Jesus. Child Christ.
And you know what I did? Called the
police. I don't know. I would call the
police. I would call the cops. his
mother. His mother followed me on
Twitter because she is like an actress
in the industry and I messaged his
mother and then he he literally got
grounded off the internet for like 3
years. Oh my god. Honestly, deserved.
Deserved. Yeah, cuz you're an old you're
you're older. You're an adult. Like if
that was a story that got around like
even remotely online or like
whatever, people would be calling you
something else other than whatever
they've been calling you right now.
That's insanity. Yep. Oh my god. People,
you know, some of these, you know, some
of these people, they they would run
with it, you know, and then it's just
more misinformation. And so, yeah. No, I
contacted his mom and I'm like, "Hey,
this is what your kid is saying. This is
extremely inappropriate. I'm at this
time like in my early to mid20s. Uh
Jesus Christ, you you need to step in
please. And yeah, he she apologized like
I am so sorry. Oh my god. Like he is not
allowed on the internet until he is 18.
Dear
God. You know what? Deserved. I
deserved.
Anyway, sorry we got a little off track,
but um No, but that's insane. That's
insane. Apparently, you've been dealing
with this for a while. It all It all
tracks. This is the worst thing I've
ever heard. But whatever. You think
about it. You've been having this build
up for like years and haven't had an
opportunity to properly like do a to
tell your side, you know?
Mhm. Yeah. No, absolutely.
That's hard. Yeah. Well, it's like when
you have stuff like this piling on like
layers after layers that all start to
sprout into like trees. Cuz the crazy
thing with online drama is that it's
always way more connected than you will
ever expect. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And
Yeah. So, these are just especially from
the outside looking. Yeah, for sure. Go
ahead. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. I was
just going to go towards the next two
things are actually kind of like small
petty things before we talk about like
the big final thing, but I did want to
at least address them cuz they're
they're quick. So, let's talk about
GoFundMe real quick. you've ran a couple
um one of which was for um helping you
with health stuff and then another one
was helping you move at the time. Um
coincidentally enough though like during
the times that you would run gofundmes,
you would also be posting about certain
things you were attending like Sega
related things like conventions or like
um uh vacations that you were at like
when you were traveling and a lot of
people have assumed that like the money
from these GoFundMes would go towards
these trips. Uh, I know that you are
somebody who is like in the upper, you
know, contacts with Sega and a lot of
these conventions you were in look to be
Sega related. So, I I'm assuming, and
I'm just making an assumption here, uh,
given your connections, that a lot of
these trips probably were sponsored by
Sega, given your connections with Ryan
and Mike and everything. So, did you
ever like have to pay for these
convention meetups or anything? Or was
that like a Sega like we'll pay forward
towards this or
whatever? I would never pay out of
pocket for any of these trips. These
were things that were covered by others.
Um, a lot of these were like within the
community space. So, like going to these
different conventions, these conventions
themselves would literally like cover
flight, hotel, and stuff like that. So
yes, anytime I had like around that
time, these were all covered completely
by other parties. This was not anything
coming out of pocket. Um, literally from
the first GoFundMe when I moved, I
earned 5,000. I put literally 2150 on my
first month of rent and I put literally
the rest on getting like the moving van
and like flying and everything. I did
not have the additional money to put
that towards anything else. So yeah, me
going out and going to any of these
conventions, a lot all this was it was
covered. Gotcha. Okay. So these were
things you were invited to as somebody
who is like working higher up at Sega
working up like in the in the community
space more so than like being like a
direct employee, you know what I mean?
Like being like an influencer. Uh so
yes, so these were all covered, right?
Okay. And I believe that the the one
that's helping you move was raised by
you. But another the other one that was
um for your health specifically was not
even set up by you. It was set up by
Cameron. That's your Is that your
current partner? Cuz you mentioned it,
Cam. It is. Okay. Yes, Cam. That is my
current and he set that up. This was
during this time where my health it just
kept getting worse, you know, after
after I like I developed an eating
disorder and I was developing issues
from COVID and I I started having like a
lot of complications. And so it was not
easy dealing with getting the answers
for what was going on with my health
because I I've been on Medicaid, you
know, the medical state insurance that
they, you know, that you're given and
it's not terribly high quality. And
because of that, we weren't really able
to move forward. Every time we would
say, "We need to see this specialist,"
you know, it would be, you know, a month
or two until we get the referral in the
mail. and just getting through that
month or two just so we can get the
paper in the mail and then we have to
set up an appointment and then we have
to wait for the appointment and then we
have to go in and then we have to give
them all this information and then we
have to run tests. So it just we weren't
getting anywhere and we just we had
gotten completely desperate of for help.
So Cam set that up to try to help give
us a fighting chance. And we've put all
of that money towards affording the
medical bills, towards affording all of
the lab work, all of the appointments,
everything like that. And we've actually
been very transparent in all of our
updates about where the money is going
to. Mhm. And just because I'm curious,
right, because you said this was
something that was like COVID related or
at least after the pandemic, can you
kind of explain what um MCAS is because
I'm not familiar with what that is
personally. Uh I don't know if many
people are. Uh I think it'd be good to
kind of explain what that is real quick.
Yeah. So MCAS it's always been a thing
but it became much more known because of
COVID because this is a it is literally
a disregulation of your mass cells. So
in your body you have mass cells
everywhere and your mass cells that is
sort of what helps the body regulate and
handle um like histamine and like
allergic reactions. That's that's
everywhere in your body. So whenever you
know you're dealing with like a food
allergy and if you are allergic to that
thing you know your mass cells react to
that thing. However with co this has
become a problem where there are a lot
of people who are now having
disregulation with their mass cells and
now you're reacting to everything
inappropriately or at least a lot of
different things. For example for me I
suddenly became allergic to cats. I
suddenly developed a bunch of new
seasonal issues. I I remember eating
certain foods and I would have all kinds
of symptoms. I'd have racing heart, high
blood pressure, shortness of breath,
hives, you know, rashes. I'd had I had a
skin uh condition that I had developed
from the MCAS. Um, and this was
something that was then I already had a
pre-existing eating disorder and it just
made the eating disorder get worse
because of that. Like I was already not
eating good and now I'm scared that
foods are going to hurt me. So now I'm
eating even less. And you know that
that's why we got so desperate. Like we
need help because we can't just sit here
and wait months while I'm just eating
chicken and rice. You know my my I'm
getting dehydrated because I'm not
eating good. I'm my electrolytes and all
of my nutritional values are are dipping
and now I'm physically unable to do
certain things. Like I spend days
sometimes stuck in bed or I just have no
energy or my electrolytes will be so low
that there was even a point where my
potassium had dropped all the way down
to 2.2 and my heart almost stopped. Mhm.
like it's just that's MCS is horrible
and it is become much more of a talked
about condition because now long COVID
or CO it's it's one of these causes and
that's what we were asking we've been
asking for help to help us kind of work
through this right that sounds [\h__\h]
terrifying Jesus it's horrifying yeah
it's it's really scary we've been you
know we've been making really good
strides like I was down to like 79 9 lbs
like in the fall, but I'm kind of moving
back up a little bit. I'm I've added
some more foods. I'm eating like
potatoes now again, and I'm really happy
about that because oh my god, chicken
and rice for months. It tastes like Oh,
[\h__\h] I mean, I make a pretty good like
honey butter garlic chicken on rice. But
that's like variety, you know? It makes
the chicken taste different at least,
right? You know, but if it were just
plain chicken on rice. Oh, god. Girl,
I'm sorry. God damn. Yeah, it's gross.
You got to season your meats, man.
I want to Oh my god. I Trust me, I'm
eating I'm eating like the stereotypical
white person, but I don't want to eat. I
I want my spices. Dear
lord. Oh god. Honestly, that's why I
overspice now cuz I've been told that I
like cuz some I don't know if this was a
thing, but people are like, "Don't spice
your meat like a white person." I'm
like, "What does that mean?" And then I
searched it up. like, "Oh, you know
what? Maybe that's why I've never liked
chicken, cuz that [\h__\h] was always so
bland." And now chicken tastes great to
me now. So, I'm just like, "That's cuz I
season it correctly. I know how to cook
things." So, yeah, we love that. Um, so
in terms of like people like trying to
talk about the whole GoFundMe stuff, uh,
considering it scam stuff, which I don't
think is if you're not if you're not
paying towards these trips and they're
all invite stuff, then like obviously
that's, you know, not where the money is
going and coming from. So that's great
to know. But there was somebody who was
like asking about like how you're able
to afford the trips. Um, it's a I'll
read the tweet itself. It says, "I'm
curious. How do you afford such a trip,
might I ask? I'm very curious given the
fact you're so depressed and filled with
anxiety and blame Sonic for the lack of
good games in 10 years. Unfortunately,
most like most tweets, you delete them
when the flies get heated. Uh, and of
course, you were talking about how that
tweet was sarcastic. Uh, and how you uh,
you know, take care of your depression
and your health is none of anybody
else's business, which I agree, you
know, whatever. Well, I I guess people
have been accusing you because of this
of like faking certain mental health
stuff. Could you kind of explain like
what this interaction was? Like what?
Oh, yeah. Happily. Sure. Happily, please
do. Um I'm going to go ahead and I'm
going to point out that the person who
did this, he is another infamous figure
in the community. Known for causing
problems. Go. He goes by Zealous Fox.
Um, and this is, you know, there is an
entire thread that somebody made that
documents every single time this guy has
tried like just harassing me. And this
thread, if I remember, this was like a
30 30 tweet thread. It just goes over
everything. And that's where this came
from. Um, initially I had tweeted uh it
was an anniversary for Sonic and the
Black Knight, which was one of my
favorite games. uh not like one of the
best games, but it was it was a good
game. I liked it. And uh I made a joke
saying like, "Oh, like happy 10 years to
Sonic and the Black Knight. It's no
wonder I have depression because like
you know, we haven't had a good Sonic
game in 10 years." And I was just being
funny or you know, it was hyperbole.
Yeah. Um and then Zealous, you know,
who's under the replies, you know,
giving me a lot of trouble for making
that joke. And that's what he makes a
comment about me deleting it. I deleted
it because I didn't want to have any
conflict. I'm like, "Oh, well, if it's,
you know, there's going to be conflict.
I don't I don't really want to cause any
issue. I was just trying to make a funny
joke at the expense of my own mental
health." Um, but then yes, it did wind
up turning into this tweet where he is
accusing me of, you're right, faking
like my depression and
anxiety. And I don't know how else to
explain that. I I would not do that. I
have evidence of this. I was diagnosed
with depression in
2009 where I was hospitalized for over a
week. Actually, I had to stay in a
hospital because of the depression
because it had gotten that bad. Um, and
I developed anxiety after I gave birth
to my kid. And, uh, I developed PTSD and
anxiety disorder and panic disorder. And
um this you know me making these jokes
you know it just at the expense of
myself because you know these were kind
of prevalent jokes around this point
where people are making jokes about that
like I made another tweet where I said
like you know Sonic Mania has cured my
depression or whatever. Um it's
hyperbole obviously but some people you
know are not able to read that sarcasm.
Mhm. Um, and it did spiral out of
control and cause people to then uh, I
guess accuse me of just faking all of my
health issues and faking my mental
health issues. But, I mean, I I've got
all of the
diagnosises, you know, I've got all of
them and I have every all the labs to
back up everything and, you know, but
these are just a lot of these people,
they're just speaking on this because,
you know, these are people who they
don't like me. Zealous. Again, there is
a thread that I can, you know, link or
whatever. And it's just this this guy
used to be friends with Blue-Eyed Fox.
And there's your connection there, you
know, another name coming back up. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's where a lot of these
accusations then came from was Zealous
not liking me because he's friends with
Blueeyed. And then that was something
that was tweeted and then other people
were or you know they have their own
thing or whatever they're latching on to
this and now people are running with it
and I've had to then prove this. There
are times where I've had to literally
prove uh my illnesses. There was this
girl who was friends with Lizzy who
actually helped Lizzy uh dox me and do
all of the swatting. this this girl
literally like admitted this. Um, and
she attempted to try to claim that I
didn't have like OCD, which is another
thing that I I deal with and it caused
me to have to literally post my the
proof that I was diagnosed for it. It's
just it is strange, but it is a common
thing that I get even though I have all
of the the medical papers to back them
up. But I will say that, you know,
there's a connection between all of them
because these are all people who are
friends or, you know, know each other.
And that's where this has sort of come
from is like that group of like people
like Blue-Eyed and and like Lizzy and
like Zealous and, you know, that other
girl, you know, it's that's where it
kind of comes from. Gotcha. So, this is
just like a an a question I had because
you posted um to your account because
you've been like obviously because of
these people accusing you of faking
mental health stuff and like even with
the GoFundMe stuff, faking like actual
like conditions you had. Um was the
heart monitor that you posted in
relation to when you were dealing with
the MCAS stuff because you mentioned
that like you had like heart like high
like heart elevation kind of thing. I
was just wondering if that was this Zo
monitor was something related to the
MCAS that you were going through. Well,
so this was more so related to the long
COVID because MCAS long CO is like a
general term for pretty much any kind of
condition that you develop from the CO
infection. So MCAS is one of those
things. But another thing that I had
also gotten was like very high blood
pressure, extremely high heart rate. Um,
and it was getting really bad. Like it
was to a point where I will never forget
it was like two weeks after having
COVID. I was laying down and I sat up
and I felt so bad. I felt so out of
breath and weak. And I asked Cam, "Can
you please check my blood pressure? I
don't feel good." And he checked it and
I had really high blood pressure. and my
heart rate was 190 just sitting there,
which if you know, you know, that's not
good. 190 is really really bad, right?
Um, so they we we went to the ER, they
did a bunch of blood tests to check for
like damage of the heart and luckily
they were not able to find anything
there. So I was then referred to by my
general practitioner to go to a
cardiologist and they did a ultrasound
on my heart like the uh the echo
cardiogram stress test different things
and one of those things was what I had
posted. It's like a like a halter
monitor that they like taped to my chest
and I had to hold it on there for I want
to say it was 24 hours or it was either
24 or 48. I always kind of forget which
one, but I feel like it was 24. Um, and
then I remember I had to take it off,
uh, hit a little button, and then we had
to give it back to the cardiologist
because basically what they're trying to
do is see if they can find any kind of
like arrhythmia patterns that they can
recognize that could give them an
indication what on what's like going on.
And so that's what that was. This was
just them trying to figure out a
pattern. And in the end, uh, they wound
up determining that this was from a long
COVID induced, uh, just inflammation of
the heart, which unfortunately does
happen for some people. Um, but the
inflammation after like a few months did
wind up kind of calming down. Okay,
that's good. I mean, thank God you don't
want to have problems at 30. That'd be
kind of concerning. It's It's
terrifying. Honestly, I was I was really
scared during that time.
So, this is just one last thing, one
last tiny little thing that I don't know
if that's, you know, a big deal, but
it's something that I completely forgot
to ask you about uh when I was going
through this list, but somebody but not
somebody I was able to find it through
something that was posted um you're
related, but um do you recall somebody
named Sparks Channel by any chance?
I do. I do remember Spark's channel.
Okay. because they were apparently
somebody who made art that apparently
you stole or something like that. I
don't know. Um, apparently Blue-Eyed Fox
is seen here saying that she took his
art and manipulated it for 8,000
followers or something like that. I feel
like art theft is not like the biggest
egregious thing ever, but I should ask
you about it because I did kind of
forget about it because apparently he
tried to take his life over it or
something. So, I thought maybe that's
something we should talk about. story.
Of course, it's important. And that that
is the story that is kind of pushed, but
uh pretty much what happened was Sparks
was a artist who was, you know, he he
was known for being able to replicate
like the Sonic Channel style and uh we
were friends, like we followed each
other and I reached out to him and I
said, "Hey, um would you be willing to
like do like an art piece for me for
whenever whenever I hit 8,000 followers,
like it's like a milestone post." So,
it' be like, "Thank you for 8,000
followers and then like have his little
art piece on it." And I said, "You know,
I can pay you and everything." And he
told me, "Oh, no, no, no. Like, no, you
don't have to do that. Like, I I just
would love to draw it for you." And at
this point, you know, I'm a lot smaller.
So, I'm like, "Oh, okay." Like, well,
thank you. And, uh, basically what
happened is I hit the 8,000 mark. I
posted it and then at some point I began
hearing from Blue-Eyed and you know
their group of people saying that pretty
much these accusations that you're
talking about and I was just like what
what's going on you know and um I guess
it was something to like the effect of
well he she didn't even post the art you
know and which was weird cuz I did and
at one point I wound up just confronting
Sparks in DM saying like I don't know
why you're telling people I didn't post
the art. I I it's right here and I
leaked it to him and he literally
stopped in his tracks and said, "Oh my
god, I've made such a big mistake. I I
didn't see it. I thought I I did not
know. I'm I'm I'm so sorry." And I said,
"No, it's okay. It's it's not a big
deal." But at that point, he was sort of
like already roped in with like Blue
Eyes kind of group of people, and he
didn't really know how to communicate
because he was really uncomfortable. So
he would wind up talking to a friend of
mine the whole time being in that group.
It was the same group that the other
friend of mine was in where they were
watching Blue-Eyed like Photoshop the
bruises on me and stuff like that. And
he was within that group and he was
screenshotting everything and like
literally showing it to my friend which
is how a lot of these things became
public.
Um because Sparks was he felt really bad
about what happened. And so he was
sending these updates to a friend of
mine saying like I don't know what to
do. Like I I feel really bad. I didn't
mean to cause all of this. But no, I
didn't draw I didn't like drive this guy
to like suicide. This was a literal
miscommunication where he just thought I
didn't post the art that he did, but I
did. And then I sent it to him and that
was it. But Blue-Eyed then took that
story and kind
of what's the word? Um tried to make it
sound worse than what it was, I guess. I
I feel like there's a term for that. I'm
not thinking of it. Right. Right. I I
couldn't recall the exact
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably that. Yeah, I
wasing it. Catastrophize, but uh Yeah,
like something like that. Definitely
that. Definitely that. But no, like with
Sparks, that's Yeah, it was literally
just a misunderstanding where he thought
I didn't post the art he made for me.
Uh, but I did post it and after that he
apologized and we were fine. But, you
know, the other people who then didn't
know that, they just kind of continued,
including Blue-Eyed just kind of spread
that misinformation. Yeah. To people who
don't know, right? So, this should be
the last thing unless if we want to talk
about the Saber Spark stuff. Um, and
like dedicate a whole section to that.
Um, because this is just the final thing
in terms of your reputational like
story-wise. Yeah. And then we can talk
about Saber Spark a little bit. It's
been like two hours. So, but uh Okay.
Yeah. I don't know. We should be uh as
thorough as possible, though. Uh we
won't talk about like the main main
allegations because we got to get like
the wording completely in order and
stuff, but we could talk about like the
response video and some of the
background stuff that's been happening
during the investigation. Sure. Yeah,
that sounds perfect. Uh cuz I mean your
your statement's kind of already out
there and of course when Enter goes
through the timeline in his video, the
things that we already talked about when
in even in the document that I was able
to put together, I think we'll end up in
that somewhat.
Um, so let's talk about Cessy. Cesy was
an old friend of yours, somebody who
drew art even for your private accounts.
Um, they created a document where they
alleged that your, uh, coowwriter for
Sonic and Tales R, uh, Doria Nelson, uh,
did something really inappropriate at
Sonic Fan Jam 2017 where they apparently
cuddled her in her sleep and like, you
know, tried to brush his fingers through
his hair and was like spooning her or
something weird. Um, and when she came
to you and asked you about it, you
mentioned having kissed Dorian in the
past. I don't know if she took that as a
confirmation that yeah, Dorian's a
weirdo, but apparently you kept Dorian
on your team and they were like they
they made a lot of things where this
just kind of spiraled into your
friendship kind of falling apart. Ces uh
husband got involved at some point um
and talked about how all this stuff kind
of led to him losing his job at some
point. uh her Cessy trying to take their
own life. It's a kind of a big document.
It's 67 pages, so forgive me if I'm like
horribly summarizing this. It's a lot to
read,
but it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. So,
let's just get the big question out of
the way. Is Dorian like a weirdo? Like,
is he like a creepy fetish weird guy
that like makes people uncomfortable
ever?
I'm going to say no. I think that you
know what happened here and this is both
of their words. This was them both
miscommunicating with each other because
you know when this was going on Dorian
does talk about how he the like during
the whole day he had picked up on these
signals that uh he believed that she had
liked him. And so during this point at
night um when there was this uh what he
says is that Cesi was cuddling him and
then he proceeded to cuddle back and ask
is this okay and the miscommunication
comes from he was asking if cuddling was
okay and she was saying yes. However,
Cessie misunderstood this because Cessie
thought that Dorene was asking, I guess,
if she was she was okay with like her
nightmares because this was something
that she had an issue with. So, they
horribly misunderstood this. You know,
Cesy was totally within her right then
to feel that discomfort and they did
talk about it. They like talked it out.
So, when she came to me and did talk
about this, um, I confronted Dorian and
said, "What the hell is going on?" And
during all of this, I was then shown
like that they were talking this out and
that they both uh recognized that they
just totally misunderstood each other's
signals. Um this was something they
talked about a few different times and
um in relevance to like the actual
document. Uh we wound up talking
everything out after the fact. So this
was just a very big explosion. We're
both kind of explaining different on my
side this happened and then on this side
this. But we wound up talking everything
out. Uh just explaining all the facts of
everything, where we're all at, any
misunderstandings, any any kind of
personal feelings, it's all handled. Um
so we were able to move on from the
situation. We when talking everything
out, we helped each other with like
little statements to like correct a lot
of misinformation
um and stuff like that. and we both put
them out on our profiles. Uh, which
uh oh, just so there's just so there's
no harm. Sorry, I didn't mean to uh stop
for a second, but uh just so there's
like no uh happening to each other. So,
this was something that we worked
together to do so that there is no more
misinformation. And you know, Cesy does
reaffirm in her document and in that
final statement that Dorian is not a
predator. this was a a a misjudgment
because they misunderstood each other
and you know to leave him alone and that
is not something that should follow him.
So no I because of them both having that
agreement of that being the case. No,
Dorian is not some horrible creepy
predator. Gotcha. Is there any like ill
feelings towards Cesy at all? Because I
mean according to their document a lot
of this like caused them a lot of stress
and a lot of like emotional anguish to
want to take their own lives and stuff
like are you guys on good terms? Did you
guys end up working that whole thing out
even between you two?
I mean we like again we talked it out
and you know it was very like we both
were having those feelings of like you
know there was a point where even I was
considering suicide because of all of
that too and you know luckily we talked
it out but we also determined through
all of these experiences that this
wasn't a relationship that we both
wanted to continue. So it's like, hey,
you know, it's it's handled. It's talked
out, but we respectfully go our separate
ways. No ill will towards her, you know,
and that's what that is. In fact, we
actually have sort of this pact that
we've made and that's if somebody is
sort of harassing the other, you know,
we reach out to the other person. You
know, Cesy reached out to my partner
recently and said, "Hey, somebody's
bringing up the drama again." And
Cameron stepped in to say, "Hey, don't
harass Sessie." And the same is meant
for us if that is the case. Okay. So I
mean even though you guys are like not
close friends anymore at least you guys
are all all on the same page kind of
thing. Yeah. It's like it's amicable
right? Like it's all it's fine but you
know when you have something like that
happen it it is hard to be friends in
that you know it like for both parties
right like it's just that was a lot that
was a lot of stuff. And so we're able to
both be adults about it and acknowledge,
you know, this friendship is not for us,
but it's all handled. All of the
horrible misinformation going on both
ends were taken care of and no ill will
at all. That's good. I mean, you know,
let bygones be bygones kind of thing,
but you know, it's I I can totally
understand it being very hard to still
be friends after that cuz like I mean,
she made an accusation that you
supported somebody who is like predatory
towards her. That's a it's a little hard
to be friends again after that. I agree.
It's a little it's a bit much.
It's it is hard, right? You know, it
it's just how can you at that point? And
that's okay. You know, it's it's okay.
Again, stuff like that happens.
Miscommunication happens. Friendships
spats happen. You know, probably not
publicly. It shouldn't be public, but in
this case, it did. And, you know, at
least I'm just happy that we're able to
move from it, you know, like just move
on. And I'm glad that we talked it out.
Really, I am. Right now, I now that
we've kind of gone over at least
absolutely everything that I can
possibly think of, right? Let's just get
this clear. Even if you are like the
most abominable person ever, let's say
that everything that everyone in the
internet has ever said about you is
true. Does that inherently mean that
when it comes to everything about Saber
Spark that you just would make this kind
of thing up or this would be I I can see
why people would come to that conclusion
that it's like, "Oh, she's lied before.
She must be lying about this." However,
given that we just had this conversation
where you gave us ex like more context
to all these things that you've been
accused of, even if you were like the e
most evil person ever, I think bad
things do happen to bad people. And I
don't think that things that previous
controversies that's happened well over
10 years ago should determine whether or
not you're being truthful about this now
because we have to look at like the
context of what we're talking about.
Like, you know, and I get that this is
digging up 10-year-old [\h__\h] but like,
you know, does this [\h__\h] line up? You
know, maybe they did lie about a couple
things in the past, but does that mean
they're lying about this? No. I think if
we're immediately jumping to that, I
don't think that's fair because then
that means that nobody actually goes
through and looks through and vets the
story at all, which I'm glad it took me
a bit, but I did, you know, yay me.
Yes. I'm And I would I'd say the issue
with that mindset is that it it
perpetuates the idea that, you know, a
victim has to be innocent in everything
in order for them to be telling the
truth. And that's just not true. And
it's actually very harmful and silencing
to people who do deal with these things
because you know, look, when it comes to
bad people, most of these bad people had
something horrible happen to them that
caused them to be a bad person. No one
just becomes a bad person out of the
womb. Yeah. It's like a perfect victim
complex, right? It It's one of those
things where people are just like, if
you come out about this sort of thing,
you have to be the absolute perfect
angel about everything else. And I you
it is harmful. Yeah. Because then it's
like like Casey was trying to do trying
to bring all this stuff against you as
like something that's like you shouldn't
believe a thing they're saying because
of all this. And it's like well maybe if
you have a sit down conversation with
them you might get all of the extra
context that's been missing cuz I mean
it's been this is over 10 years worth of
your career, right? Things are going to
be lost in the sauce a little bit after
five to 10 years. So like
even imagine a lot of people now would
be able to know who like blueeyed is
because I don't think she's online as
much now. So there are people who maybe
they're new and they they don't know
like how not all the information
available or or easy to find. You know
what I mean? Mhm. I certainly thought
when I first started hearing all this
stuff that this was like like easily
accessible like information that people
have known about or whatever the hell,
you know, but you know, knowing that
this stuff is really old and ancient
online in the era kind of things puts it
in perspective of like, well, is there
anything missing contextwise cuz it's
been 10 years and are all these people
willing to talk about it kind of thing.
And so many of them aren't really cuz
like you said, Blue-Eyed Fox is really
online and you know, uh I'm sure Lizzie
is hopefully being peaceful and doing
her own things now. Probably. Hopefully.
No. Okay. Like kind of I mean kind of
recently. It's kind of calmed down a
little bit. But like I said, even more
recently, like she just apparently on
her Instagram, there are many comments
just about me and it's just me minding
my business tweeting stuff and she's
just she has something to say about it.
Sure. So, you know, I I hope best, but
you know, I mean, she seems very
determined. At least you can say one of
the positives is at least she's
consistent. I suppose it's a horrible
way of looking at it, but you get what
I'm saying. No, I totally do. So, let's
let's let's go into this real quick. Um,
I get that this is not an easy thing to
talk about because I mean it's it's
Saber Spark. He's a big guy. It's bit
it's a bit intimidating.
Um, how like what was the earliest that
you can think of where you decided to
open up about this to at least somebody
anybody at all?
Um, anybody?
Yeah, just like not documented, but even
like just speaking to somebody, just
like having a one-on-one conversation,
not even online, just
Okay. Just want to make sure I
understand. Um, well, immediately
immediately after the first incident
happened, I called my best friend. Mhm.
Um, immediately. I remember I left the
room. I was like kind of shaking and
panicked and I I called my best friend
and told him immediately what happened
because I didn't know what else to do.
So, I mean, I will say I I was pretty
upfront about it right after the fact.
Um, you know, but it was primarily with
my best friend. It wasn't really with
anybody else. Um eventually after a
while and I I did have like we talked
about uh Soul Rock. Um I opened up to
him about it. Um and then eventually I
you know when I was dating Cam I I did
open up to him about it but it's and I
would you know throughout the years I
would tell you know a friend here like
friend here and there but it's not
something that obviously I have wanted
to tell just about anybody. It's just
somebody who I do wind up becoming
really close with. It is something that
eventually I I do kind of bring up
because it is kind of a hard thing and I
it's something that, you know, every
couple of months I start kind of getting
upset about it and I I want to vent and
so you know every couple of months I'm
like Cam can we go over this again? You
know, because it's just it's hard. It's
it's it's not easy. And this is
something that I still have struggled to
kind of move beyond, you know, 12 or so
many years later. And what happened? I
don't know how to get over it, you know.
You know. Okay. It cut out for a second.
I thought that I like dropped off the
face of the earth for a second. I got
scared. No, you're you're still here.
Okay, good.
You know what? Phineas is recording,
too. I'm sure he caught all of that.
It's fine.
Enter. Are you also recording? Uh yes.
Uh but don't rely too hard on mine.
Okay. Uh yeah. No, mine it's gonna have
a little uh little noises of me in my
room also. So Okay, perfect. I just got
worried cuz you suddenly cut went dead
and I'm just like, "Oh god, it's
happening again." No, the virus. It's
taking its toll. No, we're good. We're
good. Good lord.
So, you said that you don't like, you
know, just tell about just about anybody
about this sort of thing. Uh, you just
friends when you need a vent. What was
the decision to finally just like come
out publicly about it? Like just tell
the the mass internet and put it as a
public information kind of thing,
man.
So, honestly, the last like year and a
half, I've been kind of I'll be honest,
like it's a thing that I've talked about
with people, right? Like here and there.
But I will say that a lot of my trauma
in relation to being, you know, sexually
taken advantage of in general, like in a
general sense. This is this has been
something that I've been trying to work
for like work towards healing like
probably since maybe the beginning of
2024 like something kind of hit where um
an unrelated situation. And I don't want
to obviously go too into like my
other situations, but I I went to like
this public space where another incident
had happened and I began dissociating
really badly and I felt really really
like lightaded and unwell and I
remember, you know, being really upset
because it was like this public space
that, you know, I wanted to have a good
time at, but it was also a public space
where um one of these incidents happened
um not with Saber but in a just a
different unrelated thing. Um, and I
realized that I have not taken any kind
of I I haven't done anything to work
towards healing from all of these
situations that have affected me this
deeply, you know, like I like to I can't
even like go to like a mall now without,
you know, getting completely triggered
and dissociated because of a a situation
that happened in that location. And it
made me look back on these other
situations with Saber um and others. Uh
and I realized that this is something
that I really need to start working on.
I really need to start being honest with
myself about the fact that I've been
just trying to just survive. I'm just
trying to ignore it and I'm just trying
to get through the day and that's not
helping me. And so, you know, during
like the last I don't know, couple of I
I'm trying to think of how long it's
been. Maybe maybe the last like four
months or so, you know, the conversation
has come up because of all of the stuff
in relation to Black Griffin because
people will bring up that Saber has
defended this and has, you know, I've
seen all these comments that he's making
about it. It's all on the level, you
know. It's all cool, you know, because
Claire doesn't understand that she has
been groomed. It's fine. You know, it's
all on the level. We're all good. And
I'll be honest, that triggered me and
made me realize, you know, I wonder if
that's just how my situation has been
interpreted because I didn't speak out.
Because I didn't sit there and say, "No,
get off of me." Because I didn't, you
know, have something to say about it. is
that just how I'm being interpreted? And
that triggered me and upset me a lot.
And so, you know, I was talking with my
friend Amy about it because of all of
the, you know, conversation with Saber
being brought up recently and I just I I
just couldn't deal with it and I just
started kind of spilling on how I felt
about it. And it was Amy who then said,
you know, have you ever thought about
speaking up? and I told her no because I
I have a really hard time with doing
that.
Um I don't know. I don't want to get too
personal. It's just I have a hard time
with like speaking up about those
situations. I I lock up. I I don't know
how to deal with that. And so it was not
something ever really on my mind for a
long time until this was recommended and
the idea had been brought up. And um you
know Amy said you know I could talk to
you know Brony Fandal who's handled
these other situations and you know
maybe we can help you and maybe this can
help you work towards healing and I
thought okay you know maybe maybe we
could at least start with a conversation
and you know it just that's how it all
kind of started and eventually it was
okay now reach out to KP because she's a
victim and maybe she she's gonna she's
already working on something related to
save her. So maybe she'd be the right
person. And me just kind of putting my
trust in the people who I'm talking to
about this very vulnerable situation. I
just kind of was like, "Okay, I'll I'll
do it." You know, I'm putting my trust
in what I'm being kind of recommended.
And that's kind of how all of this sort
of happened. Yeah. Was there any
particular reason why KB KP
specifically? Cuz you said that like the
people recommending her said that she
was already a victim. Is that in regards
to like the Chris stuff or just like cuz
they used to be friends and Saber Spark,
you know, blew her off or whatever the
hell.
Mhm. That's I think what they were
referring to. They were like, "Yeah,
she's a victim of Saber because of these
this situation with Chris uh with the
sexual harassment and Saber not really
like doing anything about it." Um, but I
didn't have that context until I then
talked to KP. So I what every time every
everyone's saying she's a victim too,
I'm like, "Oh, okay." Like what what
happened here? You know? So then I
reached out to KP and then we got into a
call and she asked me what happened. I
told my story of everything and then she
um kind of delved into all of her stuff
going on with Chris.
Okay, I got you. So, just so that the
world is aware because I think a lot of
people at the beginning um because of
KP's video, which we don't even need to
get into cuz I I'm sure you don't want
to speak cuz you said you don't want to
speak ill will of KP or anything or you
don't have anything against them
personally or whatever. Um we don't need
to talk about the state of that video. I
think everybody's very aware of what the
state of that video was.
That would get us sidetracked right now.
Yeah.
So, a lot of people because of the way
that whole video was handled assume that
you were something you are something
somewhat of a manifestation of Brody
Fando and KP. Um, that you just simply
don't exist. Um, I'm talking to you
right now. So, clearly that's not true.
You're very real. You have a voice. Here
you are. There you are. You exist. So,
let's just address that. You You are
real.
I am real. I'm a real person. I've got a
channel. I I I Yes, I'm a real person
with this real experience that happened.
Um I was kind of shocked to see people
assume that, but I don't entirely blame
them because, you know, obviously even
when it came to putting my trust in
everybody, I still was like, I would
rather just kind of be anonymous,
please. you know, I really like I it's
like I'm kind of coming forward, but I'm
still I don't want to get brutally
harassed, you know, by fans of him, you
know, and
so I I kind of understand why people
came to that conclusion kind of, but no,
I'm very much real. Well, I don't think
I mean there's not really a ton of like
examples of him like really using his
fan base for that purpose, but I I can
see still the concern just based on like
a a victim's perspective of like cuz
he's a big guy, right? He's got a big
channel. He's got a lot of followers.
So, there's always that like concern of
like, well, what he's got a fan base.
What how are they going to react? Are
they going to be vicious about it? Are
they going to be rude? Like,
you know? Well, and let's let's also be
completely upfront. you know, I don't
have nearly as much as he does and I
still have fans who do this even when I
don't encourage them to like when I'm
telling them do not do this. Do like I
do not encourage this and they still do
it. So even if Saber himself is not
encouraging it, it's still going to
happen. And we saw this happen actually
when Saber responded and uh Brody Fandal
got pushed to the point of attempting
his life, you know, because people were
harassing him that badly. You know, I've
seen these comments and they're very
mean, right? So, let's talk about the
response video for a second. Um because
Saber Spark more so kind of says that
the whole thing was just a giant hit
piece on him which I think is probably
the reason why people think you don't
exist. Um but what was your whole like
thought process just kind of watching
his response video? Like did you think
it was like good or like were you like
oh you know great response bro like I
don't know I don't know how a victim
would respond to a response video then
right? I mean, in terms of looking at it
from somebody who would be
hypothetically a fan of him, wanting to
get the uh truth of like what what
happened, you know, can you speak on
this? I don't think it was very good
because it doesn't even really go into
it, you know, and
um I found that to be interesting that
he focused so much on this. He like it's
he doesn't say it, but I will say it is
very heavily implied that this was just
a manifestation of KP and Brony Fandal.
Um I was shocked to see that because I
know he knows who I am. We all know that
because Casey acknowledges that she
knows who I am who is friends with Saber
Spark, right? So I was really shocked by
that response honestly. Yeah, it
certainly didn't make sense for Casey to
be like, I know who it is. Look them up.
They got all these controversies. The
Saber Sparks just being like, "This was
all just a manifestation of KP and Brony
Fando. They were the one that put this
whole thing together and I can prove
it." And it's like, "So, you're not
going to address I mean, I guess if for
in his perspective, maybe it's trying to
prove a negative. Like, I'm not sure how
I can address what they're talking about
when it's very obvious that like they
have a thing against me or whatever."
Like, I suppose from a legal standpoint,
I get it. But like you you're do exist.
like you're
here. I just I figure, you know, you
should if at the very least he should
have just said like the story is BS.
Like I would have appreciate that more
if he just said that [\h__\h] never
happened. Lol. Like I I don't understand
why he's just like Yeah. Like why he
just was just like KP is just trying to
make a hit piece on me. And I'm like I
mean yeah she does have something
against you. That's true. But like you
could at least go through the details of
this testimony she was able to get for
her video and just go through it and be
like this, you know, try to dissect it
in any amount. But like he didn't really
do that. He just said, "Nah, just don't
listen because it's KP and Brony Fando,"
which is poisoning the well. That
doesn't really address what they're
saying, you know?
Yep. No, I completely agree. Like I
Yeah. Yeah, I mean a lot of people I
would expect have expected was for him
to like maybe read it and say no this
it's just all made up. all this is made
up or you know maybe just you know what
I mean just something to just something
to debunk it but instead I from my
understanding he just makes a comment
that says yeah it is false you know and
okay
and then everybody said oh my he he beat
the allegations right I mean I guess he
did if because I mean technically what
he's addressing is KP directly because
they're the one that put the video out
there so I mean from a perspective of I
just have to address what KP is saying
sure but you know what he's addressing
is what KP's problem with them is. It's
not what your problem with them is cuz
I'm pretty not that he's under the
impression that maybe you don't exist,
but maybe it's like for legal reasons.
He probably can't if he's trying to do
lawsuits and all that other things, you
know. I I couldn't imagine what the part
reason is. This is just me theorizing
and just kind of throwing ideas out
there.
I understand. Yeah, that could be the
the uh the what am I trying to say? That
could be uh possible that yeah, it's
just maybe he is working on a lawsuit
against both KP or Brony Fandol or one
of them. Who knows? And maybe because of
that he is trying to be mindful about
what he says. Yeah, maybe it works
better it works. Sorry. Um I was going
to say it works better in his favor to
sue these two people for like defamation
if you don't exist. If he just if he
just can like prove like this is just
something they made up about me
maliciously because they don't like me
and you don't exist, that's an easy win
in court. But since you do exist, I
don't know. It's a little harder, you
know.
Yeah. A little little more difficult cuz
now that he kind of has to address this
person who is real that's actually
making an accusation that they stand by.
You know, they might not stand by the
the way it was put out there, but they
still are like, "Yeah, this was a thing
that happened. I'm not like just making
this up.
Yeah, like yes, the way that it
happened, I don't stand by that, but
yes, this that's that's my story.
What do you want to happen like with
Sabers Spark? Like, what was your end
goal in sharing this? Were you just like
were you are you like on the whole like
let's burn everything Sabers Spark made
or like what what's your like kind of
end goal in
this? In all honesty, when it came to
speaking out, there wasn't really a
whole lot of one, apart from just me
proving that I could actually speak up
about something because like I
mentioned, I have a history of dealing
with assault and I have not been good
about speaking up about it. And for me
more than anything, it was just kind of
a personal thing of saying, "No, I I I'm
not okay with this." Uh, this has
nothing to do with honestly, it's not
anything to do with trying to hurt him.
And obviously, I acknowledge it does.
you know, I don't really want to hurt
anybody, but at the same
time, honestly, when it came to like the
story coming out, deep down, I just kind
of had hoped, you know, I mentioned I
don't want him to reach out, but if he
had emailed me and just gave me an
apology of like, I I'm sorry. I didn't
realize that I had made you
uncomfortable, that would have been a
very healing thing to receive, you know?
Would with that even just addressing
that part, would you be like, not that I
would ever set this up because I don't
know, would you ever like be interested
in even just talking to Stephen
one-on-one at all about this? Like could
you?
I don't know if I could ever feel
comfortable being in a situation where
I'm actually directly speaking to him,
like voice with voice. Sure. I just feel
like I it I feel like I'm I would be so
anxious talking to him because of what
happened, you know? But if it were like
an email conversation or something where
I'm able to kind of have my boundaries
just there, so it's you know what I
mean? It's just I I his voice it it it
just kind of makes me anxious. Yeah. Um,
but yeah, like if he did email me or
something, I I would be willing to have
that conversation with him, you know,
privately, one-on-one. And, you know,
genuinely, obviously, he can't take away
what he put me through.
Um, but I do believe that in some
situations, like there are people who
can better themselves. And if he
genuinely cared about how he made people
feel and the impact that people as large
content creators can make and the kind
of power that they have, I feel like he
would want to be able to make that
right. And I would welcome that if this
there was an epiphany one day where he
realized, you know what, yeah, I I
[\h__\h] up. I I should not have done
that. I was kind of taking advantage of
her for this reason. And hey, I'm I'm
sorry, you know. And since then, I've
grown and I've changed as a person and
you didn't deserve that. You know, it
won't be able to take away what it
caused. But, you know, that'd be
awesome. I that would be a really
helpful piece to the healing, you know.
Not that I need it because nobody nobody
should expect an apology from somebody
who hurt them to heal, you know, but it
would, you know, it doesn't it helps,
you know. Sure. Yeah. And I mean, you
know, it's one of those things where
it's
like sometimes like just kind
of bearing witness to somebody's like
improvement over time is enough of a
healing factor. I I guess that's for me
like I've had people that's wronged me
in the past and I was always under the
impression cuz I don't like to assume
the worst the absolute worst of people
even with like dealing with half of the
people I've been trying to deal with in
this whole debacle that we've been
investigating. Like even with the people
that like frustrate me, I don't want to
assume anything ill will, right? Uh and
people that have wronged me in the past,
I don't like assuming ill of them. So
when I see them and they're like
actually like doing well in life, it
doesn't make me angry. It makes me feel
better because it makes me feel like,
oh, okay, they're not that much of a
[\h__\h] anymore. Thank God. You know
what I mean? Like it's it it's one of
those things where it's like maybe their
actions show more of like a how sorry
they are. they've changed for the better
than like actually receiving that
physical I'm sorry kind of thing cuz
sometimes you'll never get that. But
just seeing that they can
be more willing for emotional growth is
kind of comforting. I think
is comforting. That's how I feel too
about I'll extend that to Lizzy. You
know, if I hope that one day she gets
the she gets what she needs so she can
be happy and she can live for herself
and focus on her and if she finally
decides I'm going to kind of drop this
whole thing with the the Emmy stuff, I'd
be so happy for her. You know, it
doesn't take away the pain, but I'd be
so happy for her. Like, you go, you
know, you go, girl. Right.
So, what has this whole experience like
just going to YouTubers handling your
whole situation and like having all this
happen? Like, you know, people figuring
out who you are even on Reddit and stuff
like that. Like, how has this whole
thing just been? Cuz it's it's it's it's
I could not imagine it going this wrong,
like for in a victim's perspective,
having it go this wrong and ever feeling
okay again. Like, what is that like?
Like, just bearing witness to all of it.
It's hard. I It's It's difficult if I'm
to be completely like transparent. Um
this has been a
pretty brain chemistry altering week.
Oh [\h__\h]
Like I have lost so much sleep. I have
been just falling behind on all of my
personal work. um a lot of crying, a lot
of uh reading self-help books, just
trying to kind of figure out where I
need to go. And you know, I'm able to
take from this situation something
really positive and that is we need to
be in charge of our own healing journey.
You know, I think that for the longest
time because of my inability to tackle
speaking up and being, you know, going
this is not okay, you know, and trying
to then avoid it and dissociate through
it. Um, I haven't really been in charge
of that healing journey. You know, I
vented about it and, you know, I've I've
put my, you know, I've put my trust in
these other people because I figured,
okay, well, this kind of works. I I'm I
am going to speak up and that's good.
that's good because maybe I'm getting
better with this thing, but I'm also
still putting it in other people's hands
to help me heal.
And that was not the right move to do
like to go to other people, you know, to
be completely honest with you because,
you know, it's just this last week it's
been chaotic. I've learned that there
are going to be some people who they're
just going they see a situation that is
so personal and vulnerable and they will
take advantage of it for the sake of,
you know, trying to get the next thing
out. Like I I've had so many people like
just like in like Instagram DMs who are
like, I know who you are and you know
you I'm going to you know you better do
an interview with me and like these are
people who are like kind of low-key
trying to threaten me into these
interviews. Um, and these are people who
I don't know who these guys are. Um,
right. And they're like trying to use me
for this thing. And these aren't people
who are trying to help me. These are
people who have already began making
content against me, you know, and now
it's, well, I'm going to give you a
chance. And it's like, okay, you don't
care about me. You don't care about my
story. You care that Saver Spark is a
big person. And you know that's I'm part
of this you know and um obviously there
are some people who are going to care
and they're going to want to look into
it. I'm very thankful that there are
people amongst this circle who have been
very helpful. Um but not everyone is
going to be like that. You know it's
it's scary. It's It's really scary. And
um I
definitely feel that it has discouraged
me from wanting to ever speak up ever
again if I'm being honest. Like I've
said that out loud a few times this
week. Like I'm never going to come out
about this other stuff. Oh my god. Ever.
Um but you know, maybe that's the right
move. Maybe that's not what I need to
heal. Maybe I it doesn't need to be
handled through the these other people.
Maybe I just I I have a lot of personal
stuff that I need to work through to do
that. I don't know what that looks like
right
now, but I know that's what I have to
do. That's that's wonderful. And you
know, I think because of how poorly like
I don't know how much you know about
like in terms of like these kind of
situations being reported to the police,
but they suck. I'm just going to be
blunt. They don't take it seriously and
and you know there's like a whole
backlog even of rape kits that are just
sitting in dust in boxes for years never
getting tested. It's called the uh the
rape kit black the rape kit backlog. It
is just thousands. I'm talking they
don't ever touch it ever. Um hell even
like sometimes
like even when you get into a court
setting and they're just like how many
years are we going to put this guy away
a convicted guy for rape? And it just
never happens. It's like either a slap
on the wrist or just a couple years.
Hell, people like get put in jail for
other crimes like even like possession
of drugs for much longer than rape does.
And it's like clearly our legal system
does not think that rape is that big of
a deal. So it's like what the [\h__\h] do
you do? And of course you see all this
content about predator exposees, right?
And like that's become like a whole
genre that's like almost entertainment
at this point. And I'm not unaware or
like I'm complicit in that maybe a
little bit, but I at least try to like
use that content style to like at least
raise funds for a charity or something
like that because YouTubers are [\h__\h]
useless in this realm, too. Like you see
examples of YouTubers being like, I'm a
predator hunter. And it's like either
their stings are fake or they don't care
about victims or they only care about
the view count or whatever it may be.
Like you're given two options. You're
given go to the police and have them not
take you seriously or go to YouTubers
and have them profit and make money off
of you. It sucks. It [\h__\h] sucks. Like
what are you supposed to do? Yeah. What
are you supposed to not very good
options, you know? And so it's just
definitely through this, you know, the
answer is neither. you know, it it has
to be we need to go to our loved ones
and we need to open up to these people
who we genuinely trust and we need to do
the work in therapy. That's like it's
not easy, but like that's I mean that's
what I want to do is I I need to do more
of this work now in therapy, you know,
because I think that's going to be the
right move. These guys are literally
well equipped to handle these
situations, particularly people who
specialize in that, you know. Mhm. Are
you seeking like any sort of therapeutic
intervention like in not in relationship
to this, but have you been in therapy
before?
I have. Yes, I've I've been in therapy
on and off because I, you know, I've
moved around or maybe I've had like a
therapist who, you know, not a good fit,
but I've had therapy and, you know, it's
helpful for a lot of things. But I also
will be completely transparent and say
that I have not been able to handle
getting therapy for my sexual related
trauma. It's hard for me. I lock up.
Like I will sit there all day and I
will, oh yeah, you know, it was
traumatic with, you know, giving birth.
It was traumatic or this other thing and
you know, but the minute they're like,
"Okay, so let's talk about this stuff."
I don't know how to I stop talking and
I'm like
uh well and I I I can't it's hard. I
don't know how to get I it's I don't
know what's going on there. I it's I
haven't been able to move past that. And
um I didn't realize just how much it had
affected me because I was trying to
ignore it for so long. Mhm. Um, but yes,
I've gotten therapy for other things and
it's it is helpful, but I don't know how
to speak on how helpful it will be in
terms of the sexual
trauma, I'm going to find out though
very soon. Yeah. Well, I I could I get
that. Like if your response to all this
has always been to just kind of freeze
and just like kind of clam up and never
talk about it, going to a therapist to
try to talk about your sexual trauma
that the response always been you just
not talking about it seems rather
useless, right? You're just like I'm not
going to be able to say anything
anyways. So what's the point? And I
think the point is is that like
Yeah. But I think the point for you at
least is like let's and I'm sorry if
this sounds blunt, right? This thing
with Saber Spark happened over 10 years
ago. And it's not me saying I don't
believe you. It's more so like it's
going to be very hard to prove beyond a
shadow of a doubt it happened 10 years
later when it was only you and him in a
room. Right now I have a timeline. Yeah.
That I think is pretty airtight.
Um, I think I've looked through enough
720p 20p footage to say so,
but it's not going to be convincing to
everybody because everybody on the
internet takes these allegations with in
a courtroom setting. It's like
circumstantial evidence is great, but
they need something hard proof, right?
And when it's a it's a situation between
two people in private where the outcome
of that private interaction is, I didn't
feel good about that afterwards, like I
felt like I was taken advantage of.
That's very hard to prove to anybody,
not even like to the internet, just like
in court maybe. However, with that being
said, I don't think we need like a
public trial or court for you to get
healing or for you to feel better. I
think what you need is to like what
you're doing now, recognizing that, hey,
when I talk about this stuff, even
though I acknowledge it's traumatic, I
can't actually like work through it. And
that's I'm sorry, that sucks. Like that
really sucks. Like I I couldn't imagine
it if like I went through so like
usually when I talk about traumatic
stuff, I have a kind of an easy time
doing it, but I don't feel good about it
afterwards. My problem is I'll open up
about it, but then I'm like, "Oh man,
did I over exaggerate that? Did I am I
overthinking that or whatever?" But for
you, you just go, "Nope. Nope. Not going
to talk." Nope. And just ignore it. And
I'm like, I couldn't imagine just like
ignoring it for that long cuz eventually
it's it's going to boil over. You know,
it's hard. Like it's like again I'll
bring it up to like a friend or or to a
loved one like yeah, this happened. But
then like in terms of the actual like
let's go into everything, let's work
towards the healing. I can't do it. I
just can't. It's it's so difficult.
God. Yeah. No, I I understand though how
you feel with your experience too cuz
like that's how I would be with the
other stuff I've dealt with like the
other situations, but like I'll I'll
again I'll talk about those other things
easy but it's just this one thing. It's
it's just it's it's hard to tackle. And
you know, I would actually say too that
because of the story coming out, that's
why everybody there were there were lots
of people reaching out to me and wanting
to talk and I was just in freeze mode. I
didn't know how to talk to anybody
because all of these people online are
now talking about something so personal
that happened and so
vulnerable and I just didn't know how to
cope. I I I just froze in general.
people were reaching out to me and I
friends weren't hearing from me and you
know I just didn't I was struggling to
kind of keep up with everybody and
everything and all of my stuff was
falling behind and you know I I froze
after the story came out in general and
I I just this last week or so it's just
been me stuck completely. you know, I've
made some, you know, I've worked through
it a little bit. Like, you know, I'm
still getting things done, but it's it's
hard. It's really hard. Yeah. I mean, I
don't blame you at all for there. The
thing with about life that I always find
so interesting, right, is it's like it's
this flow of ups and downs where it's
like when you get to these like downs,
it's really hard to fight through
things, but the best you can do is is do
what's best for you based on on h on
where you are, you know, and Yeah.
Yeah. I I agree. And I think, you know,
just Sorry. I No, it's okay. Don't
worry. Yeah, you're fine.
Very emotional. So, I'm sorry. I'm kind
of It's okay.
I can totally see this being like a
teared up moment cuz like, dude, I know.
I know. We've been kind of all working
together, right, on this. And there's
points in it where I was really
concerned about even the reputation
stuff where maybe I got a little too
over the not angry, just just frustrated
because I just couldn't figure out what
the [\h__\h] was going on. And I I'm sorry
if at any point I came across as maybe a
bit threat not threatening, but like
just a bit more confrontational than I
normally would be. I think it was just
because I I really just was like, I want
I need I I need to believe this girl.
Like that everybody else has already let
this person down. I don't want to be
that [\h__\h] [\h__\h] that decides like,
nah, this person, you know, is
not makes no sense. Our story is not
adding up. Whatever. That kind of thing.
Like Yeah. Especially since so many
people have already let you down. And
I'm just like, I can't be that person.
I'm trying fighting so hard to not be. I
I So I've I've known Lazy now for uh two
years. I was two maybe. Good lord. Has
it actually been that long? Yeah, we I
was like, "Hi, want to put on my
podcast?" Jesus Christ, it's been two
years. Yeah. My god.
The reason why whenever anything uh
drama related happens, she's one of the
first people that I go to is cuz I know
that she genuinely cares and will and
will and it's not like she's trying to
do anything that's sensationalist like
so many of these other channels are. Um,
and when she looks into situations,
uh, she's looking in cuz she cares. I'm
not an investigator. I'm just somebody
who gives a [\h__\h] You know what I mean?
Like I'm just somebody who cares. Yeah,
absolutely. And I feel that it requires
empathy. You know, these are we're going
over stories that are vulnerable, you
know, and for people that they they can
be very traumatic. So why I I feel like
empathy is a very important element to
this.
Mhm. And also just kind of recognizing
like just to put it out there for the
people, you know, there are certain
types of cases, right, very similar to
this one where not everything is going
to be documented or it can't be for
whatever reason. There's a lot of
undocumentable sexual assault. It's
something that is unfortunate. It's
something that will probably not get you
any sort of legal justice because the
justice system works off of very
physical evidence. But it's hard to
present that physical evidence when it's
either happened over 10 years ago or
it's just a private situation between
two people and no other witnesses or
like you just don't think in the moment
to document it because who the [\h__\h]
thinks the moment they're raped, let me
set up a legal case. They're thinking,
no, this was traumatic. What the [\h__\h]
just happened to me? So, it's I think
it's important for people to have
empathy for people with cases of sexual
abuse and not immediately assume because
they don't have everything in front of
them. They don't have all of the [\h__\h]
receipts in the world that they must be
lying. It's just sometimes these things
don't get documented cuz people aren't
immediately assuming I need to document
this [\h__\h] immediately. That's and that's
normal because it's it's traumatic. It's
you don't I don't expect somebody who
just been raped to suddenly be like
collect every single screenshot you've
ever had. Like that's ridiculous and
that's silly, right? It's not realistic.
Like the immediate the immediate
response is I need to get to safety. I
I'm not okay. I need to calm down. Just
taking care of ourselves and dealing
with it. You know, we have it's it's
emotionally hard, you know. So, that is
priority number one. We're not thinking
that like, oh, I need to screenshot
everything and and make sure I have
this, you know, just in case. I'm not
that's not I'm not thinking from that
lens. then most people aren't, you know,
there might be some people who do that,
you know, but I'm not really one of
them, right? And it's not realistic to
assume that every single person will
immediately build a legal case against
someone cuz that's even scary in of
itself to be like, I don't want to ruin
this person's life. Like I mean, it's
horrible what they did to me, but like I
don't, you know, it's cuz they're
thinking of just like, you know, they're
thinking of justice as like a singular
streamline, I think, where it's like if
someone did something wrong to you, they
go to jail. And it's like, well, I mean,
I would just rather like an apology or
maybe just like a restraining order so
this person never speaks to me again.
Like something like just it not
everyone's justice looks the same. And
you know, that's probably why this whole
thing has become a popular thing
nowadays just cuz people see going to
the internet as their form of justice.
And I don't think that that's you. I
think you're just to a point where
you're just like, I I don't know how
else to really work through this cuz
it's been bothering me for this long,
you know,
you know, and it this was again like a
personal thing. This was a personal move
to try to work towards that healing and
of my like for myself.
And you know what? I I hope you get
that. I mean, I I I totally understand.
This whole situation has been traumatic
for everybody. Not more for you, but
it's been traumatic for like everyone
bearing witness and just being like,
"What the [\h__\h] is going on?" Like, this
truly has been a brain altering like
like you said, a [\h__\h] chemistry
altering moment in YouTube history. Oh,
yes. Yes. Oh my god.
some of these nights where I'm just here
and I'm like I I'm not okay and I don't
know when I'm going to be okay again. Oh
my god. Well, look, I think there is
going to be a point where you're going
to be okay again. And the reason why I
say that is
because not be because I think you are
coming to a realization that like this
is something you can't avoid anymore.
And it's not like uh you've been running
from it and now you're scared to
confront it. It's like I'm tired of
running from it. And that's a good
realization to come to where you get to
a point where you're like this is I
can't keep running for I'm so exhausted.
You know, you might as well just pull
the band-aid off at this point. Like
it's like this band-aid has been on me
for 10 years. It's getting old and yeah,
it's going to hurt to rip off, but like
it needs to come off. Like this is
ridiculous.
But I think when most people get to that
realization of this is something I can't
run from, not because they're like
afraid to confront it, but because
they're like, I need to because I just
don't want it to be a part of my life
anymore. I think that's where people
like end up getting the most healing and
they end up being pretty okay in the
end. You know what I mean? And sure,
there's going to be those [\h__\h] on
the internet who are just going to be
like, you know, say whatever they want
kind of thing, but that shouldn't deter
you from your healing. That should be an
example of people in the real world are
dicks. That's the moral of the story.
And and and more and more so more too
than anything, you know, people in the
world don't know the full story. They
don't know everything about everybody.
And that's not a bad thing. You know,
yes, it sucks in these situations where
they might not be believed, but I've
I've also learned that there is healing
and comfort in this safety space where
it's like, you know, people not everyone
does know and that's okay. That actually
that that could be a good thing, you
know? Right. Yeah. And I think that like
regardless, yeah, people are dicks, but
also people are entitled to their own
opinions and like you can't necessarily
stop somebody from voicing an opinion.
Every opinions are like [\h__\h]
Everyone has one. Um, but I think that
like the people who like voice a
dissenting opinion will be the type of
people who will probably always be like
that. It's not necessarily towards you
directly to like get back at you. They
just don't believe in that sort of thing
in general cuz you know they're probably
super hyper analytical of it. And you
know what? Those are the type of people
that like maybe it's not worth trying to
get them to believe it. Maybe. I don't
know. I mean, sure, it'd be nice, but
No, I agree.
Yeah, it'd be nice, of course, but it's
not realistic. And I I acknowledge that,
you know, and if I were if I pretty much
put it on the line of everybody has to
believe me so I can heal, then I'm I'm
never going to heal. That's so true.
It's that good. Yeah. Well, I thank you
for sitting down and having this
interview with us. Um, I know that you
you're thinking that that this whole
interview style is like, you know, not
going to help you heal, but I at the
very least I hope like at least having a
conversation about it was comforting.
You know, I don't consider this really
an interview. I think I consider this a
nice conversation with the person
online. You know, if if I was quiet or
seemed off at all, uh, it's just late
and I've been up since 5:30. Dear Lord,
go to bed. And I'm just the quiet guy to
begin with. Yeah. Can I confirm Lazy and
I are the yappers? John John is not as
much. Yeah. There there's a reason that
Lazy's asking all the questions in these
things. I don't know when to shut up.
I
I really Thank you. I'm I feel great
about that. You know, I funnily enough,
before I decided to do the whole YouTube
thing, I was in college, right, during I
got I graduated high school in 2018. My
whole thought process when I went to
college, which was community college cuz
I'm poor, was I'm going to do two years
of community, use that two years to move
up to university and hopefully become an
art therapist. That was my big thing.
I've love talking to people about not
their trauma. That sounds weird, but I I
like, you know, getting people's stories
and like understanding how that might
affect how they are as a person. And I I
don't know. I'm I'm very hyper an
analytical about like human beings in
general because I think it's not
fascinating. Like I don't look at you
like a specimen. It's more so just like
I've been there, you know? It's nice to
talk to people who have been there and
like help them through that and it kind
of helps me be like, "Oh, you know, if
they can figure this [\h__\h] out, I can
figure it out for myself, you know, it's
it's very much like a community comfort
thing, you know. So, when that didn't
happen because of co uh I just started
doing this online, which is like trying
to be more empathetic towards people,
you know, because that's all I can do
now cuz all my dreams kind of went down
the toilet. But it's okay, you know, I'm
doing this now and it's it's it's nice
to be in a relationship that supports
it, you know. That's it's that's so
awesome. And having met people that I
was watching as a kid like 10 years ago
and now we're in a conversation now
we're all friends and I'm like what the
hell my life becoming this is really
nice you know cuz I get to be hopefully
more empathetic to people who really
need the empathy. That's the way I see
it. Um closing thoughts.
Um be nice to people. Stop being a
[\h__\h] That's the That's the end.
That's all I got. And Andrew, you got
anything you want to say? This is going
on your channel is probably going to be
the longest thing on your channel. Good
lord. Uh I don't have anything to say at
the moment, but I'll probably add like a
beginning, an intro and an outro
uh when I upload it. And I got to add in
the disclaimers. We're going to be talk
about some hard stuff and this and yeah.
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Uh, I don't think I have anything to say
in the moment. Yeah, no worries, son.
It's been lovely chatting. Well, wait,
wait. Should I still call you son? I
don't know. You can you can call me Emmy
now. Yeah, we're past that. Yeah, fair.
Emmy, it's been lovely chatting with you
tonight and Oh, yeah. and and and
clearing a lot of this up. Yes. Thank
you. Yeah, no problem. Likewise. Thank
you. I hope that I wasn't so mean
throughout the course of any of this.
All right. No, you're totally fine. It's
okay. You want to stop the recording on
my end? And I'm I think I'm all set.
Before we finish, I want to hit you with
a couple of my own closing thoughts.
First, I think that I have to cover our
ass a bit. In the moment, people don't
always phrase themselves in the most
lawyer or PR friendly way. You heard a
couple of minutes ago Lazy Bedhead
stated that we were quote unquote
working with Emily. That's not a
phrasing that I myself would have used
and I knew as soon as she said it, I had
to put in some kind of disclaimer. So,
let me clarify. Emily Jones was not
allowed into the investigation server at
any time. There was always information
that we kept from her and she never had
any direct input on our findings or the
video. We did outright tell her things
like issues that we had with her story
and we gave her a chance of explaining
herself. And certain members of the
investigation team did express their
sympathies. That is what we meant by
working with Emily. I told her directly
on call that I'd let the facts stand
where they may. And even beyond that, if
there was outand-out definitive proof
that Emily was lying, I would let it be
known to the wider public. The
investigation team knew of Emily's
controversies, at least in theory,
before the three of us directly
confronted her about them. My first and
only loyalty here is to the truth. So,
and interested in keeping things as fair
as possible, I will also give another
obligatory reminder that all parties are
innocent until proven guilty in a court
of law. Sabers Spark included. I myself
am not making any statement on whether
the allegation is true or not. At the
same time, I promised this would be
uncensored and I am not going to stop
members of the investigation team from
stating what they believe. Now, in
interest of fairness and in interest of
being unbiased, I would recommend that
you see both SaberSpark's response video
yourself and Beckett's video on the
matter from the channel Cope and Sea.
That video gets interviews with Casey,
Michelle Kber, and Cla Corlet and goes
into details about things that I didn't
in my investigation video. Between these
three videos, you'll get a statement on
the issue between almost everyone
involved. I will also remind you that
this interview here is merely a section
in my investigation video. The purpose
of all of this wasn't to shoot down
Saber Spark or anything like this. The
purpose of doing all of this was to give
Emily a fair shake. Fairness. Either the
allegations are true or they're not. And
if the allegations are false, you could
call KP's video karma. But there is the
chance that the allegations are true.
And on the chance that they're true,
Emily should be able to get the chance
to speak on the matter detached from
surrounding drama. And on the chance
that they're false, you should hear what
every person has to say on the matter.