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I'm glad that we're having this

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I'm glad that we're having this
 

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I'm glad that we're having this
conversation because

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conversation because
 

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conversation because
there's just it's more so just to

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there's just it's more so just to
 

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there's just it's more so just to
relieve any possibility, right? Because

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relieve any possibility, right? Because
 

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relieve any possibility, right? Because
you know how past things in the internet

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you know how past things in the internet
 

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you know how past things in the internet
have been in regards to stuff like this,

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have been in regards to stuff like this,
 

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have been in regards to stuff like this,
right?

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right?
 

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right?
Right. Right.

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Right. Right.
 

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Right. Right.
>> So,

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>> So,
 

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>> So,
and also I just have a concern in in

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and also I just have a concern in in
 

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and also I just have a concern in in
terms of like the motivation of your

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terms of like the motivation of your
 

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terms of like the motivation of your
video considering how interconnected you

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video considering how interconnected you
 

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video considering how interconnected you
are. It's kind of good to have this

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are. It's kind of good to have this
 

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are. It's kind of good to have this
verification about it.

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verification about it.
 

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verification about it.
>> Um just so that there's like

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>> Um just so that there's like
 

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>> Um just so that there's like
>> we can understand from what angle you

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>> we can understand from what angle you
 

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>> we can understand from what angle you
were trying to get at with that video

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were trying to get at with that video
 

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were trying to get at with that video
and like at least get a statement out

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and like at least get a statement out
 

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and like at least get a statement out
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there as to what your thought process
 

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there as to what your thought process
was. Like I know I asked you questions

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was. Like I know I asked you questions
 

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was. Like I know I asked you questions
in terms of like the actual production

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in terms of like the actual production
 

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in terms of like the actual production
side of it, but I never asked for your

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side of it, but I never asked for your
 

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side of it, but I never asked for your
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like independent thought on it because I
 

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like independent thought on it because I
know that you have opinions and things

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know that you have opinions and things
 

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know that you have opinions and things
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and
 

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and
of feelings. So my first thing that we

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of feelings. So my first thing that we
 

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of feelings. So my first thing that we
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should probably talk about is in regards
 

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should probably talk about is in regards
to the Saber Spark thing cuz in your

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to the Saber Spark thing cuz in your
 

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to the Saber Spark thing cuz in your
email in your video you mentioned that

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email in your video you mentioned that
 

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email in your video you mentioned that
he had like some sort of crush on you.

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he had like some sort of crush on you.
 

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he had like some sort of crush on you.
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So that indicates that you at least kind
 

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So that indicates that you at least kind
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of knew each other,
 

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of knew each other,
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right? Um, so it we met because we were
 

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right? Um, so it we met because we were
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supposed to do the um the bronies collab
 

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supposed to do the um the bronies collab
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together. We actually met for the
 

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together. We actually met for the
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not rainbow rocks. Um
 

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not rainbow rocks. Um
the Halloween one, I think, with Race

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the Halloween one, I think, with Race
 

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the Halloween one, I think, with Race
Escape in it. Uh no, no, no, not maybe.

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Escape in it. Uh no, no, no, not maybe.
 

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Escape in it. Uh no, no, no, not maybe.
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No, it was it was um like Chibi Ponies,
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something like that. Like it was like
 

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something like that. Like it was like
3.5. I can find it. Um, I just don't

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3.5. I can find it. Um, I just don't
 

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3.5. I can find it. Um, I just don't
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remember off the top of my head. So,
 

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remember off the top of my head. So,
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>> it was a bon it was a bronies react
 

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>> it was a bon it was a bronies react
video as far as you're remembering

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video as far as you're remembering
 

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video as far as you're remembering
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correctly.
 

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correctly.
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>> Oh, yeah, for sure. Like I just don't
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remember what it's specifically called,
 

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remember what it's specifically called,
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but let me let me check. I could
 

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but let me let me check. I could
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probably find it pretty easily.
 

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probably find it pretty easily.
>> Right. And AC best race best that guy.

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>> Right. And AC best race best that guy.
 

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>> Right. And AC best race best that guy.
He's like the same guy that had that

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He's like the same guy that had that
 

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He's like the same guy that had that
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like weird skit with Michelle and Gabe
 

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like weird skit with Michelle and Gabe
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being racist and [\h__\h]
 

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being racist and [\h__\h]
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, I know I know both of
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them. I know Saber a little bit better.
 

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them. I know Saber a little bit better.
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Um, I've
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>> Is like a friend of Sabers or something?
 

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>> Is like a friend of Sabers or something?
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>> They're they're close friends. Yeah.
 

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>> They're they're close friends. Yeah.
>> Are they still friends?

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>> Are they still friends?
 

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>> Are they still friends?
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>> To my knowledge,
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>> um, I don't know 100%,
 

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>> um, I don't know 100%,
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but um, Race Bass is very
 

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but um, Race Bass is very
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non-confrontational,
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>> right?
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>> So, he might just be laying low, but
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we're not very close, so I don't know
 

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we're not very close, so I don't know
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for sure.
>> Were they also at Gab's wedding? Was he

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>> Were they also at Gab's wedding? Was he
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the blonde guy?
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>> Yes.
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>> Okay. Okay, I figured cuz I see his face
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a lot and I'm like where have I keep
 

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a lot and I'm like where have I keep
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seeing this guy's face before?
 

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seeing this guy's face before?
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>> That's when I was doing my research. I
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kept seeing this guy. I'm like okay he's
the guy that hosts the pro the bronies

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the guy that hosts the pro the bronies
 

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the guy that hosts the pro the bronies
react but he's also also at the wedding

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react but he's also also at the wedding
 

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react but he's also also at the wedding
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I think.
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>> So you and Saber were at least within
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the same circles. Would you guys
 

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the same circles. Would you guys
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consider each other like actual friends
 

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consider each other like actual friends
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or was it more so like you just got you
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guys just kind of knew each other from
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like other people? Well, we were h the
 

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like other people? Well, we were h the
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the the concern that I guess wasn't
 

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the the concern that I guess wasn't
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clear in the video is that we were
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hanging out independently of production
 

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hanging out independently of production
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of the Brony's React stuff. And what I
 

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of the Brony's React stuff. And what I
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thought was a friendship thing he
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I think he was trying to I think feel me
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out as far as romantic stuff, but that's
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um a history Saver has. He
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um like I mentioned in the video, but
just to be more specific, um I know his

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just to be more specific, um I know his
 

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just to be more specific, um I know his
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last girlfriend before this one, he also
 

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last girlfriend before this one, he also
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met at a con and was a cosplayer. I had
 

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met at a con and was a cosplayer. I had
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never met her. I just know of her.
 

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never met her. I just know of her.
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>> So um again, the pattern of him using I
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don't want to say his influence, but
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whatever it is to um to
 

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whatever it is to um to
to use it to get girls, I guess.

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to use it to get girls, I guess.
 

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to use it to get girls, I guess.
>> Here it is.

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>> Here it is.
 

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>> Here it is.
My Little Pony generation 3 reaction.

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My Little Pony generation 3 reaction.
 

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My Little Pony generation 3 reaction.
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>> Okay. All right. So, you you were at
 

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>> Okay. All right. So, you you were at
least friendly enough with them to

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least friendly enough with them to
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consider them like at least like would
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you I guess to get to specifics of that,
 

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you I guess to get to specifics of that,
is it would you consider them like an

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is it would you consider them like an
 

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is it would you consider them like an
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actual like friend outside of work or
 

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actual like friend outside of work or
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was this like a work relationship kind
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of thing where it's like oh yeah, he's
 

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of thing where it's like oh yeah, he's
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my friend but just from like job stuff?
 

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my friend but just from like job stuff?
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little I guess a little bit of both. Um
 

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little I guess a little bit of both. Um
so I

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so I
 

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so I
cuz cuz we didn't really have like

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cuz cuz we didn't really have like
 

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cuz cuz we didn't really have like
during that period of um

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during that period of um
 

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during that period of um
uh the videos in between. Um

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uh the videos in between. Um
 

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uh the videos in between. Um
uh we were hanging out pretty not

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uh we were hanging out pretty not
 

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uh we were hanging out pretty not
regularly but like um a bit. He wasn't

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regularly but like um a bit. He wasn't
 

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regularly but like um a bit. He wasn't
in college and I was at the time. So

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in college and I was at the time. So
 

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in college and I was at the time. So
he'd drive I'm not going to tell you

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he'd drive I'm not going to tell you
 

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he'd drive I'm not going to tell you
what city it's in, but um yeah, he he

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what city it's in, but um yeah, he he
 

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what city it's in, but um yeah, he he
would drive to um see me um a couple of

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would drive to um see me um a couple of
 

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would drive to um see me um a couple of
times. And there was one time where I

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times. And there was one time where I
 

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times. And there was one time where I
was at my parents house um and he drove

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was at my parents house um and he drove
 

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was at my parents house um and he drove
to my parents house. Um

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to my parents house. Um
 

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to my parents house. Um
>> how much older is Saber in comparison to

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>> how much older is Saber in comparison to
 

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>> how much older is Saber in comparison to
you? Because you said he wasn't in

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you? Because you said he wasn't in
 

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you? Because you said he wasn't in
college, but you were.

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college, but you were.
 

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college, but you were.
>> Um I'd have to look it up. I'm 31 right

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>> Um I'd have to look it up. I'm 31 right
 

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>> Um I'd have to look it up. I'm 31 right
now.

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now.
 

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now.
>> Okay. He's like 35, I think, isn't he?

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>> Okay. He's like 35, I think, isn't he?
 

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>> Okay. He's like 35, I think, isn't he?
>> Yeah, that sounds about right.

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>> Yeah, that sounds about right.
 

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>> Yeah, that sounds about right.
>> Uh, Saber Spark age.

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>> Uh, Saber Spark age.
 

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>> Uh, Saber Spark age.
>> Oh, 36.

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>> Oh, 36.
 

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>> Oh, 36.
>> Okay. So, he's like five years older

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>> Okay. So, he's like five years older
 

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>> Okay. So, he's like five years older
than you were.

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than you were.
 

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than you were.
>> Mhm.

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>> Mhm.
 

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>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So,

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>> Okay. So,
 

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>> Okay. So,
what what was like the first like uh

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what what was like the first like uh
 

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what what was like the first like uh
what was the date or at least the year

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what was the date or at least the year
 

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what was the date or at least the year
it was that you guys actually like first

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it was that you guys actually like first
 

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it was that you guys actually like first
met in person? cuz like the the whole

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met in person? cuz like the the whole
 

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met in person? cuz like the the whole
bronies react thing was in 2014, but you

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bronies react thing was in 2014, but you
 

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bronies react thing was in 2014, but you
guys were at least still talking online

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guys were at least still talking online
 

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guys were at least still talking online
through I'm assuming Skype because that

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through I'm assuming Skype because that
 

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through I'm assuming Skype because that
seems to be the only thing that

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seems to be the only thing that
 

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seems to be the only thing that
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so we met for

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so we met for
 

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so we met for
um that um this video. So, I remember

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um that um this video. So, I remember
 

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um that um this video. So, I remember
like there was a trailer um for um this

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like there was a trailer um for um this
 

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like there was a trailer um for um this
project and Saber was going like we were

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project and Saber was going like we were
 

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project and Saber was going like we were
shooting in a park and Saber was going

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shooting in a park and Saber was going
 

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shooting in a park and Saber was going
around in like a pink wig

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around in like a pink wig
 

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around in like a pink wig
>> and like doing a Pinkie Pie bit from

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>> and like doing a Pinkie Pie bit from
 

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>> and like doing a Pinkie Pie bit from
what I remember. So, that's still up so

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what I remember. So, that's still up so
 

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what I remember. So, that's still up so
you can go find that. But, uh that was

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you can go find that. But, uh that was
 

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you can go find that. But, uh that was
the our first time meeting.

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the our first time meeting.
 

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the our first time meeting.
>> Okay. And what year was that?

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>> Okay. And what year was that?
 

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>> Okay. And what year was that?
>> Um whatever the videos say. So, it looks

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>> Um whatever the videos say. So, it looks
 

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>> Um whatever the videos say. So, it looks
like it's 2014.

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like it's 2014.
 

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like it's 2014.
>> Okay. So, this is all 2014. This is

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>> Okay. So, this is all 2014. This is
 

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>> Okay. So, this is all 2014. This is
still

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still
 

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still
after 2012. Okay. Um, so I I guess this

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after 2012. Okay. Um, so I I guess this
 

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after 2012. Okay. Um, so I I guess this
is the question I had when I texted you

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is the question I had when I texted you
 

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is the question I had when I texted you
originally that we got in call for. Was

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originally that we got in call for. Was
 

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originally that we got in call for. Was
there anything that they particularly

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there anything that they particularly
 

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there anything that they particularly
without revealing too much, was there

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without revealing too much, was there
 

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without revealing too much, was there
anything that they said when they told

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anything that they said when they told
 

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anything that they said when they told
you this story that made you be like,

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you this story that made you be like,
 

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you this story that made you be like,
"Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the

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"Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the
 

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"Oh, yeah, no, this person's telling the
truth." Or,

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truth." Or,
 

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truth." Or,
>> um, there's a lot of things that make me

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>> um, there's a lot of things that make me
 

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>> um, there's a lot of things that make me
feel like they are telling the truth.

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feel like they are telling the truth.
 

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feel like they are telling the truth.
Um, I think we discussed this before,

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Um, I think we discussed this before,
 

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Um, I think we discussed this before,
but I had even heard I forgot, but I had

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but I had even heard I forgot, but I had
 

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but I had even heard I forgot, but I had
heard whispers of a conflict between

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heard whispers of a conflict between
 

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heard whispers of a conflict between
Saber and um, their partner over time

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Saber and um, their partner over time
 

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Saber and um, their partner over time
um, at the time over this. So, um, but I

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um, at the time over this. So, um, but I
 

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um, at the time over this. So, um, but I
didn't remember the context. I wasn't I

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didn't remember the context. I wasn't I
 

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didn't remember the context. I wasn't I
didn't know who they were at all. Um, so

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didn't know who they were at all. Um, so
 

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didn't know who they were at all. Um, so
I don't I' we've I've never met them in

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I don't I' we've I've never met them in
 

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I don't I' we've I've never met them in
person to my recollection. Um

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person to my recollection. Um
 

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person to my recollection. Um
but so when they came and they told the

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but so when they came and they told the
 

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but so when they came and they told the
story I was like oh yeah I vaguely

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story I was like oh yeah I vaguely
 

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story I was like oh yeah I vaguely
remember hearing something like this.

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remember hearing something like this.
 

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remember hearing something like this.
Um, so there was that. It was um and

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Um, so there was that. It was um and
 

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Um, so there was that. It was um and
then our

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then our
 

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then our
um experiences with Saber matched up

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um experiences with Saber matched up
 

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um experiences with Saber matched up
pretty closely where he would um pose as

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pretty closely where he would um pose as
 

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pretty closely where he would um pose as
kind of the you know friendly fanboy

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kind of the you know friendly fanboy
 

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kind of the you know friendly fanboy
essentially to the fans. Um, and then he

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essentially to the fans. Um, and then he
 

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essentially to the fans. Um, and then he
would kind of use that as a stepping

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would kind of use that as a stepping
 

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would kind of use that as a stepping
stone for like to seek romantic

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stone for like to seek romantic
 

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stone for like to seek romantic
intentions.

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intentions.
 

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intentions.
>> So that that matched between both of us,

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>> So that that matched between both of us,
 

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>> So that that matched between both of us,
>> right? You said you don't remember any

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>> right? You said you don't remember any
 

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>> right? You said you don't remember any
specifics about like the whisper. Do you

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specifics about like the whisper. Do you
 

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specifics about like the whisper. Do you
was this cuz this whole thing where you

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was this cuz this whole thing where you
 

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was this cuz this whole thing where you
finally were meeting Saber happened 2

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finally were meeting Saber happened 2
 

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finally were meeting Saber happened 2
years after it initially happened. Um,

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years after it initially happened. Um,
 

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years after it initially happened. Um,
when you me mention whispers, are you

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when you me mention whispers, are you
 

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when you me mention whispers, are you
talking about like was this ever like in

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talking about like was this ever like in
 

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talking about like was this ever like in
discussion ever or

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discussion ever or
 

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discussion ever or
>> um without giving too much away? Um, my

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>> um without giving too much away? Um, my
 

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>> um without giving too much away? Um, my
generalized um friend group and um the

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generalized um friend group and um the
 

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generalized um friend group and um the
the partner were just were discussing

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the partner were just were discussing
 

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the partner were just were discussing
it, but it was stuff I overheard, not

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it, but it was stuff I overheard, not
 

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it, but it was stuff I overheard, not
stuff I was directly told from my

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stuff I was directly told from my
 

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stuff I was directly told from my
remember. Yeah, it was at least 2016

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remember. Yeah, it was at least 2016
 

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remember. Yeah, it was at least 2016
2017.

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2017.
 

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2017.
um the stuff was. So, um yeah. Um hard

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um the stuff was. So, um yeah. Um hard
 

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um the stuff was. So, um yeah. Um hard
to remember, but I don't think I was

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to remember, but I don't think I was
 

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to remember, but I don't think I was
ever told directly. It was just kind of

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ever told directly. It was just kind of
 

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ever told directly. It was just kind of
like a he said, she said kind of thing

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like a he said, she said kind of thing
 

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like a he said, she said kind of thing
because as the assumption is going right

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because as the assumption is going right
 

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because as the assumption is going right
now, Saber assumed he had consent to do

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now, Saber assumed he had consent to do
 

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now, Saber assumed he had consent to do
it and it was consensual and he didn't

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it and it was consensual and he didn't
 

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it and it was consensual and he didn't
understand why the the partner was mad

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understand why the the partner was mad
 

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understand why the the partner was mad
at the time.

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at the time.
 

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at the time.
>> Okay. So, you mentioned he said, she

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>> Okay. So, you mentioned he said, she
 

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>> Okay. So, you mentioned he said, she
said, and he having like a consent

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said, and he having like a consent
 

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said, and he having like a consent
thing. So would the whispers have been

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thing. So would the whispers have been
 

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thing. So would the whispers have been
like

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like
 

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like
were the whispers directly like an

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were the whispers directly like an
 

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were the whispers directly like an
actual rape accusation or just like a

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actual rape accusation or just like a
 

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actual rape accusation or just like a
sexual encounter he had that like was

456
00:09:42,949 --> 00:09:42,959
sexual encounter he had that like was
 

457
00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:45,030
sexual encounter he had that like was
like a whisper?

458
00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:45,040
like a whisper?
 

459
00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,310
like a whisper?
>> Um a little bit of both.

460
00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:48,320
>> Um a little bit of both.
 

461
00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,949
>> Um a little bit of both.
>> So So that was the confusing part. And I

462
00:09:50,949 --> 00:09:50,959
>> So So that was the confusing part. And I
 

463
00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:53,750
>> So So that was the confusing part. And I
also I thought it was confusing that

464
00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:53,760
also I thought it was confusing that
 

465
00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,630
also I thought it was confusing that
they were like talking about at a con of

466
00:09:56,630 --> 00:09:56,640
they were like talking about at a con of
 

467
00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,750
they were like talking about at a con of
all places. Um, so it kind I kind of

468
00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:01,760
all places. Um, so it kind I kind of
 

469
00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,190
all places. Um, so it kind I kind of
didn't know enough and it was kind of

470
00:10:03,190 --> 00:10:03,200
didn't know enough and it was kind of
 

471
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,509
didn't know enough and it was kind of
like it's not my business cuz I don't

472
00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:05,519
like it's not my business cuz I don't
 

473
00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:08,550
like it's not my business cuz I don't
know, you know, um, if that makes any

474
00:10:08,550 --> 00:10:08,560
know, you know, um, if that makes any
 

475
00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:09,350
know, you know, um, if that makes any
sense.

476
00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:09,360
sense.
 

477
00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,030
sense.
>> Yeah. Was it just none of your business

478
00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:11,040
>> Yeah. Was it just none of your business
 

479
00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,110
>> Yeah. Was it just none of your business
because like it's in regards to

480
00:10:13,110 --> 00:10:13,120
because like it's in regards to
 

481
00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,150
because like it's in regards to
somebody's sex life and you're like,

482
00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:14,160
somebody's sex life and you're like,
 

483
00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,509
somebody's sex life and you're like,
"Ah, that's weird. I don't know why

484
00:10:15,509 --> 00:10:15,519
"Ah, that's weird. I don't know why
 

485
00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:17,670
"Ah, that's weird. I don't know why
we're talking about this kind of thing."

486
00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:17,680
we're talking about this kind of thing."
 

487
00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:22,230
we're talking about this kind of thing."
that um we I wasn't I like I was only um

488
00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:22,240
that um we I wasn't I like I was only um
 

489
00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,470
that um we I wasn't I like I was only um
like on friendly terms with Saber for

490
00:10:24,470 --> 00:10:24,480
like on friendly terms with Saber for
 

491
00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,389
like on friendly terms with Saber for
about a year or so.

492
00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:26,399
about a year or so.
 

493
00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:28,389
about a year or so.
>> So I wasn't really talking to him. Like

494
00:10:28,389 --> 00:10:28,399
>> So I wasn't really talking to him. Like
 

495
00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,389
>> So I wasn't really talking to him. Like
we obviously ran into each other a lot

496
00:10:30,389 --> 00:10:30,399
we obviously ran into each other a lot
 

497
00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:34,310
we obviously ran into each other a lot
because we're both doing the brony um

498
00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:34,320
because we're both doing the brony um
 

499
00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,069
because we're both doing the brony um
con scene essentially, but it was just

500
00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:36,079
con scene essentially, but it was just
 

501
00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:37,829
con scene essentially, but it was just
kind of like cordial. We didn't really

502
00:10:37,829 --> 00:10:37,839
kind of like cordial. We didn't really
 

503
00:10:37,839 --> 00:10:39,509
kind of like cordial. We didn't really
hang out.

504
00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:39,519
hang out.
 

505
00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:42,550
hang out.
>> Um that kind of thing. So, um, and then

506
00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:42,560
>> Um that kind of thing. So, um, and then
 

507
00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,670
>> Um that kind of thing. So, um, and then
the partner I knew better, but you know,

508
00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:45,680
the partner I knew better, but you know,
 

509
00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,790
the partner I knew better, but you know,
it seemed like it wasn't my business to

510
00:10:48,790 --> 00:10:48,800
it seemed like it wasn't my business to
 

511
00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,190
it seemed like it wasn't my business to
be like debating that, um, regardless.

512
00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:53,200
be like debating that, um, regardless.
 

513
00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:53,590
be like debating that, um, regardless.
So,

514
00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:53,600
So,
 

515
00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,790
So,
>> Okay. Gotcha. Um, what was it that like

516
00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:56,800
>> Okay. Gotcha. Um, what was it that like
 

517
00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,829
>> Okay. Gotcha. Um, what was it that like
made you like cuz I saw somewhere like

518
00:10:59,829 --> 00:10:59,839
made you like cuz I saw somewhere like
 

519
00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:02,710
made you like cuz I saw somewhere like
back in 2023 I I don't I think the

520
00:11:02,710 --> 00:11:02,720
back in 2023 I I don't I think the
 

521
00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,030
back in 2023 I I don't I think the
controversy was around the whole bent

522
00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:05,040
controversy was around the whole bent
 

523
00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,310
controversy was around the whole bent
key thing or whatever the hell um with

524
00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:08,320
key thing or whatever the hell um with
 

525
00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,750
key thing or whatever the hell um with
Saber Spark when he made that whole

526
00:11:09,750 --> 00:11:09,760
Saber Spark when he made that whole
 

527
00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,269
Saber Spark when he made that whole
Bluey ripoff thing. And you mentioned

528
00:11:11,269 --> 00:11:11,279
Bluey ripoff thing. And you mentioned
 

529
00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,590
Bluey ripoff thing. And you mentioned
that like that whole situation doesn't

530
00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:13,600
that like that whole situation doesn't
 

531
00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,590
that like that whole situation doesn't
surprise you cuz you don't like Saber

532
00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:15,600
surprise you cuz you don't like Saber
 

533
00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,190
surprise you cuz you don't like Saber
like you don't think he's a good guy.

534
00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:17,200
like you don't think he's a good guy.
 

535
00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,670
like you don't think he's a good guy.
Was that like in relation to that or

536
00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:19,680
Was that like in relation to that or
 

537
00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,110
Was that like in relation to that or
were there other things that made you be

538
00:11:21,110 --> 00:11:21,120
were there other things that made you be
 

539
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,630
were there other things that made you be
like I don't like this person? Um is

540
00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:24,640
like I don't like this person? Um is
 

541
00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,470
like I don't like this person? Um is
that something I tweeted cuz I honestly

542
00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:26,480
that something I tweeted cuz I honestly
 

543
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,670
that something I tweeted cuz I honestly
don't remember.

544
00:11:27,670 --> 00:11:27,680
don't remember.
 

545
00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,389
don't remember.
>> It was in 2023. Um it got archived on

546
00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:30,399
>> It was in 2023. Um it got archived on
 

547
00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:31,670
>> It was in 2023. Um it got archived on
Reddit or something like that because

548
00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:31,680
Reddit or something like that because
 

549
00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,590
Reddit or something like that because
people were talking about like Sabers

550
00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:33,600
people were talking about like Sabers
 

551
00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,750
people were talking about like Sabers
Spark said that like he couldn't cancel

552
00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:35,760
Spark said that like he couldn't cancel
 

553
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,829
Spark said that like he couldn't cancel
his bent key subscription when he made

554
00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:37,839
his bent key subscription when he made
 

555
00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:40,230
his bent key subscription when he made
the Chipchilla video or something. Um,

556
00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:40,240
the Chipchilla video or something. Um,
 

557
00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,069
the Chipchilla video or something. Um,
and people were mad at him for that

558
00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:42,079
and people were mad at him for that
 

559
00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:43,750
and people were mad at him for that
because it's like, why didn't you just

560
00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:43,760
because it's like, why didn't you just
 

561
00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,350
because it's like, why didn't you just
pirate it and it just seems like you're

562
00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:45,360
pirate it and it just seems like you're
 

563
00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,190
pirate it and it just seems like you're
giving your money to a hateful

564
00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:47,200
giving your money to a hateful
 

565
00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,630
giving your money to a hateful
organization that you're criticizing as

566
00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:48,640
organization that you're criticizing as
 

567
00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,590
organization that you're criticizing as
hateful.

568
00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:49,600
hateful.
 

569
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,230
hateful.
>> So, that was that was the context of it.

570
00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:52,240
>> So, that was that was the context of it.
 

571
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,310
>> So, that was that was the context of it.
And you said something along the lines

572
00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:54,320
And you said something along the lines
 

573
00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,310
And you said something along the lines
of like this doesn't surprise me. I

574
00:11:56,310 --> 00:11:56,320
of like this doesn't surprise me. I
 

575
00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,509
of like this doesn't surprise me. I
don't know if you got added or

576
00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:57,519
don't know if you got added or
 

577
00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,030
don't know if you got added or
something, but like you're like that

578
00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:59,040
something, but like you're like that
 

579
00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,630
something, but like you're like that
doesn't surprise me. Saber doesn't it

580
00:12:00,630 --> 00:12:00,640
doesn't surprise me. Saber doesn't it
 

581
00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,750
doesn't surprise me. Saber doesn't it
was um not I won't like basically was

582
00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:03,760
was um not I won't like basically was
 

583
00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,269
was um not I won't like basically was
like I won't get into too much details,

584
00:12:05,269 --> 00:12:05,279
like I won't get into too much details,
 

585
00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,269
like I won't get into too much details,
but from my recollection, Saber's not a

586
00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:07,279
but from my recollection, Saber's not a
 

587
00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:09,430
but from my recollection, Saber's not a
good person sort of thing.

588
00:12:09,430 --> 00:12:09,440
good person sort of thing.
 

589
00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,150
good person sort of thing.
Um yeah. Um I didn't know about the this

590
00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:14,160
Um yeah. Um I didn't know about the this
 

591
00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,030
Um yeah. Um I didn't know about the this
like the hard rate stuff until um

592
00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:17,040
like the hard rate stuff until um
 

593
00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,030
like the hard rate stuff until um
relatively recently in the production of

594
00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:19,040
relatively recently in the production of
 

595
00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,310
relatively recently in the production of
the video, but I think we talked about

596
00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:20,320
the video, but I think we talked about
 

597
00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,150
the video, but I think we talked about
that a little bit um the timeline of

598
00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:22,160
that a little bit um the timeline of
 

599
00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:28,150
that a little bit um the timeline of
that. So, um it was in relation to um

600
00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:28,160
that. So, um it was in relation to um
 

601
00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:33,030
that. So, um it was in relation to um
how he treated me and um specifically

602
00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:33,040
how he treated me and um specifically
 

603
00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,509
how he treated me and um specifically
like once he started date like it was

604
00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:35,519
like once he started date like it was
 

605
00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,430
like once he started date like it was
just kind of weird stuff once he started

606
00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:37,440
just kind of weird stuff once he started
 

607
00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,910
just kind of weird stuff once he started
dating Gabe sister like he I didn't

608
00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:39,920
dating Gabe sister like he I didn't
 

609
00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,150
dating Gabe sister like he I didn't
really follow it too much but like um I

610
00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:44,160
really follow it too much but like um I
 

611
00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,829
really follow it too much but like um I
know I like I think he'd like do things

612
00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:45,839
know I like I think he'd like do things
 

613
00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,750
know I like I think he'd like do things
like compare himself to Gollum and be

614
00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:47,760
like compare himself to Gollum and be
 

615
00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,470
like compare himself to Gollum and be
like I'm so lucky I have you know you

616
00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:50,480
like I'm so lucky I have you know you
 

617
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,470
like I'm so lucky I have you know you
know a girl even though I look like you

618
00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:52,480
know a girl even though I look like you
 

619
00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,509
know a girl even though I look like you
know, a butt essentially. So things like

620
00:12:55,509 --> 00:12:55,519
know, a butt essentially. So things like
 

621
00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,629
know, a butt essentially. So things like
that. He got really

622
00:12:58,629 --> 00:12:58,639
that. He got really
 

623
00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:00,710
that. He got really
obsessively into that relationship from

624
00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:00,720
obsessively into that relationship from
 

625
00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,110
obsessively into that relationship from
an outsers's perspective. Like he just

626
00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:03,120
an outsers's perspective. Like he just
 

627
00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,790
an outsers's perspective. Like he just
stopped, you know, got in

628
00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:06,800
stopped, you know, got in
 

629
00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,389
stopped, you know, got in
Yeah. just kind of lost contact with

630
00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:08,399
Yeah. just kind of lost contact with
 

631
00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:10,150
Yeah. just kind of lost contact with
everyone it seemed like.

632
00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:10,160
everyone it seemed like.
 

633
00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:10,550
everyone it seemed like.
>> Okay.

634
00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:10,560
>> Okay.
 

635
00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,590
>> Okay.
>> Um

636
00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:11,600
>> Um
 

637
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,910
>> Um
>> with Yeah. with Gab's sister. And then I

638
00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:13,920
>> with Yeah. with Gab's sister. And then I
 

639
00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,069
>> with Yeah. with Gab's sister. And then I
remember Gabe and him had some sort of

640
00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:18,079
remember Gabe and him had some sort of
 

641
00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:20,629
remember Gabe and him had some sort of
argument about it near the end when they

642
00:13:20,629 --> 00:13:20,639
argument about it near the end when they
 

643
00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,470
argument about it near the end when they
broke up. Um, but I wasn't there. This

644
00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:24,480
broke up. Um, but I wasn't there. This
 

645
00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,590
broke up. Um, but I wasn't there. This
is what I was told by him at the time.

646
00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:27,600
is what I was told by him at the time.
 

647
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,790
is what I was told by him at the time.
And that um, the breakup had to do with

648
00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:30,800
And that um, the breakup had to do with
 

649
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,870
And that um, the breakup had to do with
her issues, quote unquote. So, he didn't

650
00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:32,880
her issues, quote unquote. So, he didn't
 

651
00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,870
her issues, quote unquote. So, he didn't
seem to take any responsibility for the

652
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:36,880
seem to take any responsibility for the
 

653
00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,870
seem to take any responsibility for the
breakup, but like, you know, it was

654
00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:38,880
breakup, but like, you know, it was
 

655
00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,670
breakup, but like, you know, it was
consensual, wasn't my business, like

656
00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:41,680
consensual, wasn't my business, like
 

657
00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,069
consensual, wasn't my business, like
whatever. Was he dating Gab's sister

658
00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:44,079
whatever. Was he dating Gab's sister
 

659
00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:45,910
whatever. Was he dating Gab's sister
around the time that like you heard

660
00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:45,920
around the time that like you heard
 

661
00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,470
around the time that like you heard
those like whisper rumors or was that

662
00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:48,480
those like whisper rumors or was that
 

663
00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,350
those like whisper rumors or was that
what that was in relationship to or

664
00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:51,360
what that was in relationship to or
 

665
00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,190
what that was in relationship to or
>> I don't think I he only dated Gab's

666
00:13:53,190 --> 00:13:53,200
>> I don't think I he only dated Gab's
 

667
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,350
>> I don't think I he only dated Gab's
sister for like six months so I don't

668
00:13:55,350 --> 00:13:55,360
sister for like six months so I don't
 

669
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,150
sister for like six months so I don't
think so.

670
00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:56,160
think so.
 

671
00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,310
think so.
>> Okay. Okay. Got you. So like just cuz

672
00:14:00,310 --> 00:14:00,320
>> Okay. Okay. Got you. So like just cuz
 

673
00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,389
>> Okay. Okay. Got you. So like just cuz
I'm confused by like not to get into

674
00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:02,399
I'm confused by like not to get into
 

675
00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:03,910
I'm confused by like not to get into
specifics but like when you said like

676
00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:03,920
specifics but like when you said like
 

677
00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,269
specifics but like when you said like
whispers about that like I'm just trying

678
00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:05,279
whispers about that like I'm just trying
 

679
00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,269
whispers about that like I'm just trying
to get into like a specific without too

680
00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:07,279
to get into like a specific without too
 

681
00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,150
to get into like a specific without too
much. Was it was the rumor thing that

682
00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:10,160
much. Was it was the rumor thing that
 

683
00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,590
much. Was it was the rumor thing that
you were talking about like a cheating

684
00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:11,600
you were talking about like a cheating
 

685
00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,269
you were talking about like a cheating
thing?

686
00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:13,279
thing?
 

687
00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,870
thing?
>> No, it was so like this is again so I

688
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:16,880
>> No, it was so like this is again so I
 

689
00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,870
>> No, it was so like this is again so I
remember the partner and Saber kind of

690
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:20,880
remember the partner and Saber kind of
 

691
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,790
remember the partner and Saber kind of
discussing it at a con and this is kind

692
00:14:22,790 --> 00:14:22,800
discussing it at a con and this is kind
 

693
00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,269
discussing it at a con and this is kind
of what I heard overheard specifically.

694
00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:25,279
of what I heard overheard specifically.
 

695
00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:28,150
of what I heard overheard specifically.
Um, so it was

696
00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:28,160
Um, so it was
 

697
00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,310
Um, so it was
them confronting Saber because um, the

698
00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:32,320
them confronting Saber because um, the
 

699
00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,710
them confronting Saber because um, the
rape victim felt like it was a rape and

700
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:36,720
rape victim felt like it was a rape and
 

701
00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,189
rape victim felt like it was a rape and
>> the partner was obviously mad about that

702
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:39,199
>> the partner was obviously mad about that
 

703
00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:41,910
>> the partner was obviously mad about that
and I'm sure Saber played it off, you

704
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:41,920
and I'm sure Saber played it off, you
 

705
00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,030
and I'm sure Saber played it off, you
know.

706
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:43,040
know.
 

707
00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,430
know.
>> Oh, so he was confronted. That's what

708
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:45,440
>> Oh, so he was confronted. That's what
 

709
00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,470
>> Oh, so he was confronted. That's what
that was.

710
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:46,480
that was.
 

711
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,590
that was.
>> Oh, okay. So, okay, that would make

712
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:49,600
>> Oh, okay. So, okay, that would make
 

713
00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,509
>> Oh, okay. So, okay, that would make
sense cuz um, from the

714
00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:53,519
sense cuz um, from the
 

715
00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:55,829
sense cuz um, from the
what was it? Who was that? Jessa girl or

716
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:55,839
what was it? Who was that? Jessa girl or
 

717
00:14:55,839 --> 00:14:57,910
what was it? Who was that? Jessa girl or
whatever the hell and Amy that was also

718
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:57,920
whatever the hell and Amy that was also
 

719
00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,230
whatever the hell and Amy that was also
on Twitter or Blue Sky or something and

720
00:15:00,230 --> 00:15:00,240
on Twitter or Blue Sky or something and
 

721
00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,710
on Twitter or Blue Sky or something and
they said that like this person told

722
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:02,720
they said that like this person told
 

723
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,629
they said that like this person told
them about this back in 2013 or

724
00:15:04,629 --> 00:15:04,639
them about this back in 2013 or
 

725
00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:08,069
them about this back in 2013 or
something like they opened up in 2013 I

726
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:08,079
something like they opened up in 2013 I
 

727
00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:09,030
something like they opened up in 2013 I
believe.

728
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:09,040
believe.
 

729
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,949
believe.
>> Okay. So then at the con which would

730
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:10,959
>> Okay. So then at the con which would
 

731
00:15:10,959 --> 00:15:15,430
>> Okay. So then at the con which would
have been 2014 I'm assuming is when this

732
00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:15,440
have been 2014 I'm assuming is when this
 

733
00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,590
have been 2014 I'm assuming is when this
was one Babcon one time. So um I think

734
00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:19,600
was one Babcon one time. So um I think
 

735
00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,670
was one Babcon one time. So um I think
it was my first Babscon. So that sounds

736
00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:21,680
it was my first Babscon. So that sounds
 

737
00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,110
it was my first Babscon. So that sounds
about right. Mhm.

738
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:23,120
about right. Mhm.
 

739
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,629
about right. Mhm.
>> Um,

740
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:24,639
>> Um,
 

741
00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,389
>> Um,
so, um,

742
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:26,399
so, um,
 

743
00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:28,870
so, um,
>> was 20 was Babscon at 2014 or was that

744
00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:28,880
>> was 20 was Babscon at 2014 or was that
 

745
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,949
>> was 20 was Babscon at 2014 or was that
the year after that?

746
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:30,959
the year after that?
 

747
00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:34,150
the year after that?
>> Um, I think it was I think it was that

748
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:34,160
>> Um, I think it was I think it was that
 

749
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,310
>> Um, I think it was I think it was that
it was been 2015 then. So, yeah, it was

750
00:15:36,310 --> 00:15:36,320
it was been 2015 then. So, yeah, it was
 

751
00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,550
it was been 2015 then. So, yeah, it was
after we had our our friendship,

752
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:38,560
after we had our our friendship,
 

753
00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,750
after we had our our friendship,
whatever you want to call it.

754
00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:39,760
whatever you want to call it.
 

755
00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,990
whatever you want to call it.
>> Okay. So, it would have been 2 years

756
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:42,000
>> Okay. So, it would have been 2 years
 

757
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,710
>> Okay. So, it would have been 2 years
after they started telling close people

758
00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:44,720
after they started telling close people
 

759
00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,629
after they started telling close people
about it. Okay, that makes sense.

760
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:46,639
about it. Okay, that makes sense.
 

761
00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:51,189
about it. Okay, that makes sense.
>> Okay, so just timeline thing. Um, Saber

762
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:51,199
>> Okay, so just timeline thing. Um, Saber
 

763
00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:54,629
>> Okay, so just timeline thing. Um, Saber
had this had two incidences in 2012 that

764
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:54,639
had this had two incidences in 2012 that
 

765
00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,150
had this had two incidences in 2012 that
he thought were consensual but

766
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:56,160
he thought were consensual but
 

767
00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,710
he thought were consensual but
apparently weren't. Um, victims started

768
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:58,720
apparently weren't. Um, victims started
 

769
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,550
apparently weren't. Um, victims started
opening up to people in their life

770
00:16:00,550 --> 00:16:00,560
opening up to people in their life
 

771
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,910
opening up to people in their life
around 2013 and then in 2015

772
00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:03,920
around 2013 and then in 2015
 

773
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,590
around 2013 and then in 2015
uh there was that whole confrontation

774
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:05,600
uh there was that whole confrontation
 

775
00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,430
uh there was that whole confrontation
you overheard. Uh, but you specifically

776
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:09,440
you overheard. Uh, but you specifically
 

777
00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:14,389
you overheard. Uh, but you specifically
only really knew Saber around 2014 for

778
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:14,399
only really knew Saber around 2014 for
 

779
00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:17,189
only really knew Saber around 2014 for
AC race whole video and that thing.

780
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:17,199
AC race whole video and that thing.
 

781
00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:20,069
AC race whole video and that thing.
>> AC best race. No. Um yeah, so like we

782
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:20,079
>> AC best race. No. Um yeah, so like we
 

783
00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:21,990
>> AC best race. No. Um yeah, so like we
were introduced because we we realized

784
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:22,000
were introduced because we we realized
 

785
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,470
were introduced because we we realized
we lived together. So we not lived live

786
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:24,480
we lived together. So we not lived live
 

787
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,509
we lived together. So we not lived live
close enough for to drive. Um so he he

788
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:29,519
close enough for to drive. Um so he he
 

789
00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,629
close enough for to drive. Um so he he
um so I guess that's I don't remember

790
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:32,639
um so I guess that's I don't remember
 

791
00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:35,350
um so I guess that's I don't remember
the specifics, but that's how the the

792
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:35,360
the specifics, but that's how the the
 

793
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,189
the specifics, but that's how the the
trailer for um generation 3 was decided

794
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:39,199
trailer for um generation 3 was decided
 

795
00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:41,350
trailer for um generation 3 was decided
because we could both shoot it together.

796
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:41,360
because we could both shoot it together.
 

797
00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:41,670
because we could both shoot it together.
Mhm.

798
00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:41,680
Mhm.
 

799
00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,550
Mhm.
>> Um like so um yeah, but again like my

800
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:46,560
>> Um like so um yeah, but again like my
 

801
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,470
>> Um like so um yeah, but again like my
thing wasn't really like it wasn't

802
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:48,480
thing wasn't really like it wasn't
 

803
00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,389
thing wasn't really like it wasn't
anything like rape. It I just thought he

804
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:50,399
anything like rape. It I just thought he
 

805
00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:52,389
anything like rape. It I just thought he
was like

806
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:52,399
was like
 

807
00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,790
was like
kind of playing me along a little bit.

808
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:54,800
kind of playing me along a little bit.
 

809
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,990
kind of playing me along a little bit.
Um, right.

810
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:56,000
Um, right.
 

811
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,310
Um, right.
>> But it, you know, so it's like I just

812
00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:58,320
>> But it, you know, so it's like I just
 

813
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,470
>> But it, you know, so it's like I just
kind of chopped it up to like, you know,

814
00:17:00,470 --> 00:17:00,480
kind of chopped it up to like, you know,
 

815
00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,829
kind of chopped it up to like, you know,
maybe he's just, you know, I don't know

816
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:03,839
maybe he's just, you know, I don't know
 

817
00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,390
maybe he's just, you know, I don't know
actually. I don't know. I guess like

818
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:06,400
actually. I don't know. I guess like
 

819
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,150
actually. I don't know. I guess like
>> weirdo like why is he only like it was

820
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:10,160
>> weirdo like why is he only like it was
 

821
00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,470
>> weirdo like why is he only like it was
naive of me I guess to think that maybe

822
00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:12,480
naive of me I guess to think that maybe
 

823
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,230
naive of me I guess to think that maybe
like we were we could just be friends.

824
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:14,240
like we were we could just be friends.
 

825
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,909
like we were we could just be friends.
But to be fair, I also have a lot of guy

826
00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:15,919
But to be fair, I also have a lot of guy
 

827
00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:19,750
But to be fair, I also have a lot of guy
friends um as well. But um

828
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:19,760
friends um as well. But um
 

829
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,909
friends um as well. But um
>> but yeah, like that's

830
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:21,919
>> but yeah, like that's
 

831
00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:22,309
>> but yeah, like that's
>> Yeah.

832
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:22,319
>> Yeah.
 

833
00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,710
>> Yeah.
>> Did he like ever give you into like

834
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:24,720
>> Did he like ever give you into like
 

835
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,549
>> Did he like ever give you into like
I guess this is a weird question because

836
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:26,559
I guess this is a weird question because
 

837
00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:28,230
I guess this is a weird question because
you keep saying that like the way that

838
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:28,240
you keep saying that like the way that
 

839
00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,789
you keep saying that like the way that
he like went about asking. I guess I can

840
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:30,799
he like went about asking. I guess I can
 

841
00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:36,710
he like went about asking. I guess I can
check back in the chat what you said

842
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:36,720
check back in the chat what you said
 

843
00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,590
check back in the chat what you said
about that. I'm trying to look back at

844
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:39,600
about that. I'm trying to look back at
 

845
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,230
about that. I'm trying to look back at
what it is. I like have it shrink down.

846
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:42,240
what it is. I like have it shrink down.
 

847
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,710
what it is. I like have it shrink down.
>> No, I got you. That's during the time

848
00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:44,720
>> No, I got you. That's during the time
 

849
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,470
>> No, I got you. That's during the time
during that time. Yeah, it's so much

850
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:46,480
during that time. Yeah, it's so much
 

851
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,630
during that time. Yeah, it's so much
easier for me to remember [\h__\h] I mean,

852
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:48,640
easier for me to remember [\h__\h] I mean,
 

853
00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,470
easier for me to remember [\h__\h] I mean,
I have an okay memory. It's just not

854
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:50,480
I have an okay memory. It's just not
 

855
00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,870
I have an okay memory. It's just not
fantastic. So it says to clarify during

856
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:52,880
fantastic. So it says to clarify during
 

857
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,789
fantastic. So it says to clarify during
this time he would ask questions like we

858
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:54,799
this time he would ask questions like we
 

859
00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:57,029
this time he would ask questions like we
are just friends, right? Like that seems

860
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:57,039
are just friends, right? Like that seems
 

861
00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,430
are just friends, right? Like that seems
so weird to like kind of randomly bring

862
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:59,440
so weird to like kind of randomly bring
 

863
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,510
so weird to like kind of randomly bring
up. Was that just kind of his flirtation

864
00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:01,520
up. Was that just kind of his flirtation
 

865
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,430
up. Was that just kind of his flirtation
style or something where he would just

866
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:03,440
style or something where he would just
 

867
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,150
style or something where he would just
kind of drop in? Yeah. Like you know

868
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:06,160
kind of drop in? Yeah. Like you know
 

869
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,230
kind of drop in? Yeah. Like you know
what I mean? Like the that that reads to

870
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:08,240
what I mean? Like the that that reads to
 

871
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,669
what I mean? Like the that that reads to
me like somebody who doesn't know how to

872
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:09,679
me like somebody who doesn't know how to
 

873
00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:12,549
me like somebody who doesn't know how to
flirt or something.

874
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:12,559
flirt or something.
 

875
00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:18,150
flirt or something.
>> Um yeah. I think what happened

876
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:18,160
>> Um yeah. I think what happened
 

877
00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,549
>> Um yeah. I think what happened
um and my parents have met Saber Spark

878
00:18:20,549 --> 00:18:20,559
um and my parents have met Saber Spark
 

879
00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:22,710
um and my parents have met Saber Spark
which is great. So like I' I've I've

880
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:22,720
which is great. So like I' I've I've
 

881
00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,630
which is great. So like I' I've I've
been able to describe this as like

882
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:24,640
been able to describe this as like
 

883
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,470
been able to describe this as like
remember Stephen that guy that came over

884
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:26,480
remember Stephen that guy that came over
 

885
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,470
remember Stephen that guy that came over
the house one time.

886
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:28,480
the house one time.
 

887
00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,990
the house one time.
>> Um

888
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:30,000
>> Um
 

889
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,310
>> Um
>> no I mean this is kind of a side thing

890
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:32,320
>> no I mean this is kind of a side thing
 

891
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,029
>> no I mean this is kind of a side thing
but like um we were having like chicken

892
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:35,039
but like um we were having like chicken
 

893
00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:36,789
but like um we were having like chicken
that night. I don't really like my dad's

894
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:36,799
that night. I don't really like my dad's
 

895
00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:39,430
that night. I don't really like my dad's
chicken. Um, and and he was like, "I'm

896
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:39,440
chicken. Um, and and he was like, "I'm
 

897
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,870
chicken. Um, and and he was like, "I'm
just going to take the littlest piece

898
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:40,880
just going to take the littlest piece
 

899
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,470
just going to take the littlest piece
ever." Because he was trying to be, I

900
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:42,480
ever." Because he was trying to be, I
 

901
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,990
ever." Because he was trying to be, I
guess, overly polite. And my dad is

902
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:44,000
guess, overly polite. And my dad is
 

903
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,430
guess, overly polite. And my dad is
like, "What the [\h__\h] is he doing?" Like,

904
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:45,440
like, "What the [\h__\h] is he doing?" Like,
 

905
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,390
like, "What the [\h__\h] is he doing?" Like,
"Just take the just take chicken." So,

906
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:48,400
"Just take the just take chicken." So,
 

907
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,190
"Just take the just take chicken." So,
um,

908
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:49,200
um,
 

909
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,909
um,
>> yeah, kind of weird, but yeah. Um,

910
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:51,919
>> yeah, kind of weird, but yeah. Um,
 

911
00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:55,190
>> yeah, kind of weird, but yeah. Um,
that's how it would um, he'd phrase it.

912
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:55,200
that's how it would um, he'd phrase it.
 

913
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,430
that's how it would um, he'd phrase it.
So, he asked me that like two or three

914
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:57,440
So, he asked me that like two or three
 

915
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,870
So, he asked me that like two or three
times

916
00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:58,880
times
 

917
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,990
times
>> um, via Skype. Um, and I didn't think

918
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:04,000
>> um, via Skype. Um, and I didn't think
 

919
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,830
>> um, via Skype. Um, and I didn't think
anything of it. I thought like, okay,

920
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:05,840
anything of it. I thought like, okay,
 

921
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,430
anything of it. I thought like, okay,
that's a fair question. like let's put

922
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:07,440
that's a fair question. like let's put
 

923
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,750
that's a fair question. like let's put
some boundaries in. But I remember like

924
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:09,760
some boundaries in. But I remember like
 

925
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,870
some boundaries in. But I remember like
when we went out like um he'd um he'd

926
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:14,880
when we went out like um he'd um he'd
 

927
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,990
when we went out like um he'd um he'd
really offer to buy buy like whatever it

928
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:18,000
really offer to buy buy like whatever it
 

929
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,710
really offer to buy buy like whatever it
was or whatever. So I guess again I was

930
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:20,720
was or whatever. So I guess again I was
 

931
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,190
was or whatever. So I guess again I was
stupid about that too. But what are you

932
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:23,200
stupid about that too. But what are you
 

933
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,310
stupid about that too. But what are you
going to do?

934
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:24,320
going to do?
 

935
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,430
going to do?
>> I mean that could also just be like a a

936
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:27,440
>> I mean that could also just be like a a
 

937
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,110
>> I mean that could also just be like a a
chivalry thing where it's just like

938
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:29,120
chivalry thing where it's just like
 

939
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,990
chivalry thing where it's just like
men's got to be shiver so they like

940
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:32,000
men's got to be shiver so they like
 

941
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:32,549
men's got to be shiver so they like
>> Yeah.

942
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:32,559
>> Yeah.
 

943
00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:35,350
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um yeah, that's what I assumed. or

944
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:35,360
>> Yeah. Um yeah, that's what I assumed. or
 

945
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,270
>> Yeah. Um yeah, that's what I assumed. or
he was just trying to be like establish

946
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:37,280
he was just trying to be like establish
 

947
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,669
he was just trying to be like establish
a good business relationship too by like

948
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:39,679
a good business relationship too by like
 

949
00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,909
a good business relationship too by like
and he you know he knew I was in college

950
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:41,919
and he you know he knew I was in college
 

951
00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:43,669
and he you know he knew I was in college
I didn't have any money kind of thing

952
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:43,679
I didn't have any money kind of thing
 

953
00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:45,830
I didn't have any money kind of thing
too so there could have been a multiple

954
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:45,840
too so there could have been a multiple
 

955
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,350
too so there could have been a multiple
things but like what I thought was

956
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:47,360
things but like what I thought was
 

957
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,590
things but like what I thought was
setting boundaries from the beginning

958
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:49,600
setting boundaries from the beginning
 

959
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,150
setting boundaries from the beginning
was actually him just trying to kind of

960
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:52,160
was actually him just trying to kind of
 

961
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,310
was actually him just trying to kind of
poke at me to see if I was willing to to

962
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:54,320
poke at me to see if I was willing to to
 

963
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,669
poke at me to see if I was willing to to
change my mind.

964
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:55,679
change my mind.
 

965
00:19:55,679 --> 00:19:59,029
change my mind.
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, when that whole thing

966
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:59,039
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, when that whole thing
 

967
00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:01,990
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, when that whole thing
with the Chris thing happened, uh, just

968
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:02,000
with the Chris thing happened, uh, just
 

969
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,310
with the Chris thing happened, uh, just
to clarify, was he like super good

970
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:04,320
to clarify, was he like super good
 

971
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,310
to clarify, was he like super good
friends with Chris or anything, or was

972
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:06,320
friends with Chris or anything, or was
 

973
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,710
friends with Chris or anything, or was
he just kind of like

974
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:08,720
he just kind of like
 

975
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,230
he just kind of like
going off on you for something else? cuz

976
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:12,240
going off on you for something else? cuz
 

977
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,870
going off on you for something else? cuz
>> um I mean I I don't know what the

978
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:14,880
>> um I mean I I don't know what the
 

979
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,430
>> um I mean I I don't know what the
relationship is like now, but I do

980
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:17,440
relationship is like now, but I do
 

981
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,390
relationship is like now, but I do
remember um cuz Saber did an like Chris

982
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:20,400
remember um cuz Saber did an like Chris
 

983
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,310
remember um cuz Saber did an like Chris
interviewed Saber at some point and and

984
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:22,320
interviewed Saber at some point and and
 

985
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,870
interviewed Saber at some point and and
Chris you like not used but he got

986
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:24,880
Chris you like not used but he got
 

987
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,430
Chris you like not used but he got
contact through um with Saber through me

988
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:27,440
contact through um with Saber through me
 

989
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,510
contact through um with Saber through me
and uh I remember Saber complaining

990
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:29,520
and uh I remember Saber complaining
 

991
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,830
and uh I remember Saber complaining
about him at the time. Maybe his opinion

992
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:31,840
about him at the time. Maybe his opinion
 

993
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,669
about him at the time. Maybe his opinion
has changed. Um

994
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:33,679
has changed. Um
 

995
00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:36,630
has changed. Um
>> wait, Saber complained about Chris?

996
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:36,640
>> wait, Saber complained about Chris?
 

997
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,669
>> wait, Saber complained about Chris?
>> Mhm.

998
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:37,679
>> Mhm.
 

999
00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:40,390
>> Mhm.
>> Oh, okay. I just find that so weird that

1000
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:40,400
>> Oh, okay. I just find that so weird that
 

1001
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,350
>> Oh, okay. I just find that so weird that
he would be then so defensive when with

1002
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:43,360
he would be then so defensive when with
 

1003
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,870
he would be then so defensive when with
the whole Twitter thing that you showed

1004
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:44,880
the whole Twitter thing that you showed
 

1005
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,110
the whole Twitter thing that you showed
me.

1006
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:45,120
me.
 

1007
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,630
me.
>> I think it was more I think that was

1008
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:46,640
>> I think it was more I think that was
 

1009
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,590
>> I think it was more I think that was
more of a reputational thing and he was

1010
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:49,600
more of a reputational thing and he was
 

1011
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,830
more of a reputational thing and he was
like, "Oh, well, you never brought me

1012
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:51,840
like, "Oh, well, you never brought me
 

1013
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,990
like, "Oh, well, you never brought me
this directly, so I'm being blindsided

1014
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:54,000
this directly, so I'm being blindsided
 

1015
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,070
this directly, so I'm being blindsided
by it. How could you?" When I when I

1016
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:56,080
by it. How could you?" When I when I
 

1017
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,909
by it. How could you?" When I when I
knew that wasn't true.

1018
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:57,919
knew that wasn't true.
 

1019
00:20:57,919 --> 00:21:00,710
knew that wasn't true.
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, cuz from the

1020
00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:00,720
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, cuz from the
 

1021
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,870
>> Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, cuz from the
from the way that it looks like in the

1022
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:02,880
from the way that it looks like in the
 

1023
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,590
from the way that it looks like in the
actual like Twitter thing, uh, like did

1024
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:07,600
actual like Twitter thing, uh, like did
 

1025
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,070
actual like Twitter thing, uh, like did
someone like tag Saber Spark or

1026
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:10,080
someone like tag Saber Spark or
 

1027
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,750
someone like tag Saber Spark or
something and then that's how we got

1028
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:11,760
something and then that's how we got
 

1029
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:12,870
something and then that's how we got
involved?

1030
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:12,880
involved?
 

1031
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,870
involved?
>> I purposely didn't tag Saber because

1032
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:14,880
>> I purposely didn't tag Saber because
 

1033
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,870
>> I purposely didn't tag Saber because
Saber was like a footnote in that that

1034
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:16,880
Saber was like a footnote in that that
 

1035
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:23,430
Saber was like a footnote in that that
email anyway. Um and so the the the

1036
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:23,440
email anyway. Um and so the the the
 

1037
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,870
email anyway. Um and so the the the
context around that was um just to be

1038
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:26,880
context around that was um just to be
 

1039
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,909
context around that was um just to be
just to be clear. So I because of my

1040
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:29,919
just to be clear. So I because of my
 

1041
00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:31,990
just to be clear. So I because of my
personal experiences I did not feel

1042
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:32,000
personal experiences I did not feel
 

1043
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,909
personal experiences I did not feel
comfortable going to Saber directly to

1044
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:33,919
comfortable going to Saber directly to
 

1045
00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:37,669
comfortable going to Saber directly to
talk about Chris. So I am or was maybe

1046
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:37,679
talk about Chris. So I am or was maybe
 

1047
00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:41,270
talk about Chris. So I am or was maybe
at this point but um I I was um a couple

1048
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:41,280
at this point but um I I was um a couple
 

1049
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,669
at this point but um I I was um a couple
people that work on his staff will

1050
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:43,679
people that work on his staff will
 

1051
00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:47,270
people that work on his staff will
remain anonymous. Um, and I was told

1052
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:47,280
remain anonymous. Um, and I was told
 

1053
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,149
remain anonymous. Um, and I was told
that Chris and

1054
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:50,159
that Chris and
 

1055
00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:53,110
that Chris and
um, Saber had a confrontation

1056
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:53,120
um, Saber had a confrontation
 

1057
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,470
um, Saber had a confrontation
>> um, about it, but this was after the

1058
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:56,480
>> um, about it, but this was after the
 

1059
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,750
>> um, about it, but this was after the
call. So, I think Chris

1060
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:59,760
call. So, I think Chris
 

1061
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,110
call. So, I think Chris
reassured him that it was handled or,

1062
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:03,120
reassured him that it was handled or,
 

1063
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,510
reassured him that it was handled or,
you know, was taken care of. Um, but

1064
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:05,520
you know, was taken care of. Um, but
 

1065
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,669
you know, was taken care of. Um, but
Saber never contacted me directly to

1066
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:07,679
Saber never contacted me directly to
 

1067
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:09,029
Saber never contacted me directly to
confirm that, which I thought was kind

1068
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:09,039
confirm that, which I thought was kind
 

1069
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:09,990
confirm that, which I thought was kind
of weird.

1070
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:10,000
of weird.
 

1071
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,510
of weird.
>> Well, yeah, especially if he had like a

1072
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:11,520
>> Well, yeah, especially if he had like a
 

1073
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,190
>> Well, yeah, especially if he had like a
crush on you at some point. Like I know

1074
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:13,200
crush on you at some point. Like I know
 

1075
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,110
crush on you at some point. Like I know
at that point um wait so it doesn't say

1076
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:17,120
at that point um wait so it doesn't say
 

1077
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,789
at that point um wait so it doesn't say
I thought it had the date on it when

1078
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:18,799
I thought it had the date on it when
 

1079
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,190
I thought it had the date on it when
this um Twitter exchange happened. What

1080
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:21,200
this um Twitter exchange happened. What
 

1081
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,110
this um Twitter exchange happened. What
year was that? Was that like oh it says

1082
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:25,120
year was that? Was that like oh it says
 

1083
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,789
year was that? Was that like oh it says
>> the one where he's like

1084
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:26,799
>> the one where he's like
 

1085
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,669
>> the one where he's like
>> the one where he's um calling me a liar

1086
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:29,679
>> the one where he's um calling me a liar
 

1087
00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:30,390
>> the one where he's um calling me a liar
and stuff.

1088
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:30,400
and stuff.
 

1089
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,350
and stuff.
>> Yeah. What year was that in 2024?

1090
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:33,360
>> Yeah. What year was that in 2024?
 

1091
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,750
>> Yeah. What year was that in 2024?
>> That was November last year.

1092
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:35,760
>> That was November last year.
 

1093
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,230
>> That was November last year.
>> Okay. Yeah. if he had like a crush on

1094
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:38,240
>> Okay. Yeah. if he had like a crush on
 

1095
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,789
>> Okay. Yeah. if he had like a crush on
you in the I I find it interesting that

1096
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:40,799
you in the I I find it interesting that
 

1097
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,870
you in the I I find it interesting that
he would like go off on you like this.

1098
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:42,880
he would like go off on you like this.
 

1099
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,789
he would like go off on you like this.
If what you're saying is that he had a

1100
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:44,799
If what you're saying is that he had a
 

1101
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:46,950
If what you're saying is that he had a
confrontation with Chris about it where

1102
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,960
confrontation with Chris about it where
 

1103
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,630
confrontation with Chris about it where
I'm assuming he probably didn't take his

1104
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:48,640
I'm assuming he probably didn't take his
 

1105
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,510
I'm assuming he probably didn't take his
time

1106
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:49,520
time
 

1107
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,870
time
>> conversation about it and I like

1108
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:52,880
>> conversation about it and I like
 

1109
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,390
>> conversation about it and I like
>> you know Chris assured him that Yeah.

1110
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:56,400
>> you know Chris assured him that Yeah.
 

1111
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,990
>> you know Chris assured him that Yeah.
Like what I already said is

1112
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:58,000
Like what I already said is
 

1113
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,909
Like what I already said is
>> right. Right. Was Chris in the same

1114
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:59,919
>> right. Right. Was Chris in the same
 

1115
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:01,909
>> right. Right. Was Chris in the same
circles as like when you and Sabre were

1116
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:01,919
circles as like when you and Sabre were
 

1117
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,909
circles as like when you and Sabre were
friends in the 2015 thing happened with

1118
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:03,919
friends in the 2015 thing happened with
 

1119
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:05,669
friends in the 2015 thing happened with
Chris. Were you in was Sabre like in the

1120
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:05,679
Chris. Were you in was Sabre like in the
 

1121
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,070
Chris. Were you in was Sabre like in the
same circles as you guys?

1122
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:08,080
same circles as you guys?
 

1123
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,750
same circles as you guys?
>> Um Chris was Chris was working for me

1124
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:11,760
>> Um Chris was Chris was working for me
 

1125
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,909
>> Um Chris was Chris was working for me
and then he was doing his own thing. He

1126
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:13,919
and then he was doing his own thing. He
 

1127
00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:15,909
and then he was doing his own thing. He
I don't know if he still uses it but he

1128
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:15,919
I don't know if he still uses it but he
 

1129
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:17,590
I don't know if he still uses it but he
has his own channel

1130
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:17,600
has his own channel
 

1131
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,029
has his own channel
>> uh where he reviews DVDs and [\h__\h] So I

1132
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:21,039
>> uh where he reviews DVDs and [\h__\h] So I
 

1133
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,310
>> uh where he reviews DVDs and [\h__\h] So I
think he was like doing a vlog for um

1134
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:24,320
think he was like doing a vlog for um
 

1135
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,310
think he was like doing a vlog for um
like that that Babscon at the time. I

1136
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:26,320
like that that Babscon at the time. I
 

1137
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,350
like that that Babscon at the time. I
don't think he was working for me

1138
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:27,360
don't think he was working for me
 

1139
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,870
don't think he was working for me
anymore, but we were like on friendly

1140
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:28,880
anymore, but we were like on friendly
 

1141
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,270
anymore, but we were like on friendly
terms. Um

1142
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:31,280
terms. Um
 

1143
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,830
terms. Um
Um So,

1144
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:33,840
Um So,
 

1145
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,270
Um So,
but Chris was kind of like

1146
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:37,280
but Chris was kind of like
 

1147
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,230
but Chris was kind of like
um not on the same level, I guess,

1148
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:40,240
um not on the same level, I guess,
 

1149
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,990
um not on the same level, I guess,
because we I think we're we were

1150
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:42,000
because we I think we're we were
 

1151
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,750
because we I think we're we were
community guests and Chris was just kind

1152
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:43,760
community guests and Chris was just kind
 

1153
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,510
community guests and Chris was just kind
of like a fan getting um

1154
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:47,520
of like a fan getting um
 

1155
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,270
of like a fan getting um
responses from people. Not that it

1156
00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:49,280
responses from people. Not that it
 

1157
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,270
responses from people. Not that it
matters what the titles were, just kind

1158
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:51,280
matters what the titles were, just kind
 

1159
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,590
matters what the titles were, just kind
of like in contribution to the show. and

1160
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:55,600
of like in contribution to the show. and
 

1161
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,270
of like in contribution to the show. and
then or the convention and then um

1162
00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:01,280

 

1163
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,029

um yeah so he Chris was not in the same

1164
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:05,039
um yeah so he Chris was not in the same
 

1165
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,669
um yeah so he Chris was not in the same
social circle that um than Steven was to

1166
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:07,679
social circle that um than Steven was to
 

1167
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:08,870
social circle that um than Steven was to
my knowledge.

1168
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:08,880
my knowledge.
 

1169
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,230
my knowledge.
>> Okay. So then how did uh uh Saber Spark

1170
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:12,240
>> Okay. So then how did uh uh Saber Spark
 

1171
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,630
>> Okay. So then how did uh uh Saber Spark
and Chris eventually just like was is he

1172
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:14,640
and Chris eventually just like was is he
 

1173
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,789
and Chris eventually just like was is he
part of like his like staff or something

1174
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:16,799
part of like his like staff or something
 

1175
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:18,870
part of like his like staff or something
like is he an editor from what I

1176
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:18,880
like is he an editor from what I
 

1177
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,710
like is he an editor from what I
>> Yeah, I think he's Yeah, he's an editor

1178
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:20,720
>> Yeah, I think he's Yeah, he's an editor
 

1179
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,070
>> Yeah, I think he's Yeah, he's an editor
to my knowledge.

1180
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:22,080
to my knowledge.
 

1181
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,029
to my knowledge.
>> Okay, gotcha. All right, that's what I

1182
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:25,039
>> Okay, gotcha. All right, that's what I
 

1183
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:25,669
>> Okay, gotcha. All right, that's what I
wondering.

1184
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:25,679
wondering.
 

1185
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:27,190
wondering.
>> Yeah, I was going to say I don't know

1186
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:27,200
>> Yeah, I was going to say I don't know
 

1187
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,909
>> Yeah, I was going to say I don't know
how they they got in contact again once

1188
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:29,919
how they they got in contact again once
 

1189
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,390
how they they got in contact again once
Saber started making like being more

1190
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:32,400
Saber started making like being more
 

1191
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,070
Saber started making like being more
productive as far as making content and

1192
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:34,080
productive as far as making content and
 

1193
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,950
productive as far as making content and
he switched from brony guy to cartoon

1194
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:36,960
he switched from brony guy to cartoon
 

1195
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,070
he switched from brony guy to cartoon
guy, but I imagine Saber like put out

1196
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:40,080
guy, but I imagine Saber like put out
 

1197
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,750
guy, but I imagine Saber like put out
like, "Hey, I need editors. I'll pay

1198
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:41,760
like, "Hey, I need editors. I'll pay
 

1199
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,870
like, "Hey, I need editors. I'll pay
you." And he he raised his hand.

1200
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:44,880
you." And he he raised his hand.
 

1201
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,029
you." And he he raised his hand.
>> Was there anybody else that Saber had on

1202
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:47,039
>> Was there anybody else that Saber had on
 

1203
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,230
>> Was there anybody else that Saber had on
his editing staff other than Chris that

1204
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:50,240
his editing staff other than Chris that
 

1205
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,710
his editing staff other than Chris that
like he had issues with? Um, well, I

1206
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:52,720
like he had issues with? Um, well, I
 

1207
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,390
like he had issues with? Um, well, I
wouldn't say he he had issues with

1208
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:54,400
wouldn't say he he had issues with
 

1209
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,630
wouldn't say he he had issues with
Chris. I think there was an issue with

1210
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:56,640
Chris. I think there was an issue with
 

1211
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,669
Chris. I think there was an issue with
Chris, but it didn't seem like he

1212
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:59,679
Chris, but it didn't seem like he
 

1213
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:02,630
Chris, but it didn't seem like he
particularly cared. Um, not to my

1214
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:02,640
particularly cared. Um, not to my
 

1215
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,990
particularly cared. Um, not to my
knowledge. No. Um, but, you know, I

1216
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:06,000
knowledge. No. Um, but, you know, I
 

1217
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,750
knowledge. No. Um, but, you know, I
don't even know everyone on his staff.

1218
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:07,760
don't even know everyone on his staff.
 

1219
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,789
don't even know everyone on his staff.
Like, I just know a couple people. So,

1220
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:10,799
Like, I just know a couple people. So,
 

1221
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,190
Like, I just know a couple people. So,
>> right. Cuz like this is unrelated. I was

1222
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:13,200
>> right. Cuz like this is unrelated. I was
 

1223
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,789
>> right. Cuz like this is unrelated. I was
just curious cuz like I I don't know if

1224
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:14,799
just curious cuz like I I don't know if
 

1225
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:16,789
just curious cuz like I I don't know if
you know this, but uh Caberspark has a

1226
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:16,799
you know this, but uh Caberspark has a
 

1227
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,470
you know this, but uh Caberspark has a
Kiwi Farms. Um, not that that matters

1228
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:18,480
Kiwi Farms. Um, not that that matters
 

1229
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,070
Kiwi Farms. Um, not that that matters
cuz most of that they do over there is

1230
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:20,080
cuz most of that they do over there is
 

1231
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,350
cuz most of that they do over there is
just kind of [\h__\h] that he's a liberal

1232
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:21,360
just kind of [\h__\h] that he's a liberal
 

1233
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,710
just kind of [\h__\h] that he's a liberal
that likes Bluey and it's like I don't

1234
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:22,720
that likes Bluey and it's like I don't
 

1235
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,390
that likes Bluey and it's like I don't
[\h__\h] care. But they were talking

1236
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:24,400
[\h__\h] care. But they were talking
 

1237
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,149
[\h__\h] care. But they were talking
about Cosmodor at some point over there.

1238
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:28,159
about Cosmodor at some point over there.
 

1239
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:29,830
about Cosmodor at some point over there.
Were they like friends because they were

1240
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:29,840
Were they like friends because they were
 

1241
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,510
Were they like friends because they were
in the same circles as like Cartoon Bros

1242
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:31,520
in the same circles as like Cartoon Bros
 

1243
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,669
in the same circles as like Cartoon Bros
or what? Yeah. Um,

1244
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:35,679
or what? Yeah. Um,
 

1245
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:38,230
or what? Yeah. Um,
I don't watch and have never watched

1246
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:38,240
I don't watch and have never watched
 

1247
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:44,149
I don't watch and have never watched
Saber's content bec.

1248
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:44,159

 

1249
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:47,750

So, um, a lot of the I mean, to to be

1250
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:47,760
So, um, a lot of the I mean, to to be
 

1251
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,990
So, um, a lot of the I mean, to to be
blunt, like you know, you you feel like

1252
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:50,000
blunt, like you know, you you feel like
 

1253
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,269
blunt, like you know, you you feel like
you're friends with someone, but then

1254
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:51,279
you're friends with someone, but then
 

1255
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,710
you're friends with someone, but then
they only want to get in your pants. It

1256
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:52,720
they only want to get in your pants. It
 

1257
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,630
they only want to get in your pants. It
will kind of like make you mad at them.

1258
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:54,640
will kind of like make you mad at them.
 

1259
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,029
will kind of like make you mad at them.
Um,

1260
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:55,039
Um,
 

1261
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,549
Um,
>> right. Sure.

1262
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:56,559
>> right. Sure.
 

1263
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,510
>> right. Sure.
>> Um, but

1264
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:59,520
>> Um, but
 

1265
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,269
>> Um, but
like

1266
00:26:01,269 --> 00:26:01,279
like
 

1267
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:02,710
like
you're the first one that's brought that

1268
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:02,720
you're the first one that's brought that
 

1269
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,430
you're the first one that's brought that
up and I was expecting um that to be

1270
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:05,440
up and I was expecting um that to be
 

1271
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,110
up and I was expecting um that to be
brought up sooner, but I guess that just

1272
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:07,120
brought up sooner, but I guess that just
 

1273
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,029
brought up sooner, but I guess that just
shows you how bad the [\h__\h] video was.

1274
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:09,039
shows you how bad the [\h__\h] video was.
 

1275
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:10,630
shows you how bad the [\h__\h] video was.
But yeah, I think I don't know the

1276
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:10,640
But yeah, I think I don't know the
 

1277
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,470
But yeah, I think I don't know the
details. I just know what the public

1278
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:12,480
details. I just know what the public
 

1279
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,990
details. I just know what the public
knew. He was an editor as well, I think,

1280
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:16,000
knew. He was an editor as well, I think,
 

1281
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,390
knew. He was an editor as well, I think,
for for Stephen. Um, he he got fired

1282
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:20,400
for for Stephen. Um, he he got fired
 

1283
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,789
for for Stephen. Um, he he got fired
because of creepy things. So, I that's

1284
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:22,799
because of creepy things. So, I that's
 

1285
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,990
because of creepy things. So, I that's
why when my original assumption dealing

1286
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:26,000
why when my original assumption dealing
 

1287
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,990
why when my original assumption dealing
with all this is that Chris would be

1288
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:28,000
with all this is that Chris would be
 

1289
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,590
with all this is that Chris would be
fired immediately because he would be a

1290
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:29,600
fired immediately because he would be a
 

1291
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,750
fired immediately because he would be a
PR problem. Um, and so DA Games had to

1292
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:33,760
PR problem. Um, and so DA Games had to
 

1293
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,710
PR problem. Um, and so DA Games had to
check if Chris was still employed by

1294
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:36,720
check if Chris was still employed by
 

1295
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,350
check if Chris was still employed by
Saber and Saber said yes. And that was

1296
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:39,360
Saber and Saber said yes. And that was
 

1297
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,350
Saber and Saber said yes. And that was
the context for that that seasoned

1298
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:41,360
the context for that that seasoned
 

1299
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,590
the context for that that seasoned
desist is they checked to see cuz I was

1300
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:43,600
desist is they checked to see cuz I was
 

1301
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,710
desist is they checked to see cuz I was
like oh he like Saber fired him and then

1302
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:46,720
like oh he like Saber fired him and then
 

1303
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,110
like oh he like Saber fired him and then
um DA Games is like no actually not and

1304
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:49,120
um DA Games is like no actually not and
 

1305
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,630
um DA Games is like no actually not and
I was just like oh that's that's

1306
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:50,640
I was just like oh that's that's
 

1307
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,830
I was just like oh that's that's
disappointing.

1308
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:51,840
disappointing.
 

1309
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,390
disappointing.
>> Okay I got you. So when it comes to like

1310
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:54,400
>> Okay I got you. So when it comes to like
 

1311
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,390
>> Okay I got you. So when it comes to like
Saber and DA Games I guess I don't

1312
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:56,400
Saber and DA Games I guess I don't
 

1313
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,470
Saber and DA Games I guess I don't
really understand cuz DA Games for me is

1314
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:58,480
really understand cuz DA Games for me is
 

1315
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,110
really understand cuz DA Games for me is
all has always just been like oh that's

1316
00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:01,120
all has always just been like oh that's
 

1317
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,190
all has always just been like oh that's
a a YouTube channel that's ran by a

1318
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:03,200
a a YouTube channel that's ran by a
 

1319
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,789
a a YouTube channel that's ran by a
couple people. Are they like some sort

1320
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:04,799
couple people. Are they like some sort
 

1321
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,950
couple people. Are they like some sort
of like LLC that's like works in tangent

1322
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:08,960
of like LLC that's like works in tangent
 

1323
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,710
of like LLC that's like works in tangent
with Saber or something? Like is Saber

1324
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:10,720
with Saber or something? Like is Saber
 

1325
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,789
with Saber or something? Like is Saber
under like any sort of contract with

1326
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:12,799
under like any sort of contract with
 

1327
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,430
under like any sort of contract with
them or they are they just like in the

1328
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:15,440
them or they are they just like in the
 

1329
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,669
them or they are they just like in the
same like work circles or something?

1330
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:17,679
same like work circles or something?
 

1331
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,830
same like work circles or something?
>> Um I well the only the the connecting

1332
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:19,840
>> Um I well the only the the connecting
 

1333
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,830
>> Um I well the only the the connecting
factor is Chris. So the originally the

1334
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:21,840
factor is Chris. So the originally the
 

1335
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,390
factor is Chris. So the originally the
video was about Chris and then Saber

1336
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:24,400
video was about Chris and then Saber
 

1337
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,149
video was about Chris and then Saber
would have a footnote saying oh we told

1338
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:26,159
would have a footnote saying oh we told
 

1339
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,789
would have a footnote saying oh we told
Saber he got fired. Cool. That was that

1340
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:28,799
Saber he got fired. Cool. That was that
 

1341
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,390
Saber he got fired. Cool. That was that
was supposed to be it cuz that's what I

1342
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:30,400
was supposed to be it cuz that's what I
 

1343
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,549
was supposed to be it cuz that's what I
assumed would happen with Saber. Um, but

1344
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:32,559
assumed would happen with Saber. Um, but
 

1345
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,789
assumed would happen with Saber. Um, but
I don't think they have any I don't

1346
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:34,799
I don't think they have any I don't
 

1347
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,149
I don't think they have any I don't
think they have a working relationship

1348
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:36,159
think they have a working relationship
 

1349
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:39,990
think they have a working relationship
at all. I know DA Games has an LLC and I

1350
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:40,000
at all. I know DA Games has an LLC and I
 

1351
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,909
at all. I know DA Games has an LLC and I
think they they have four members of the

1352
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:41,919
think they they have four members of the
 

1353
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:43,590
think they they have four members of the
channel. I think that was covered a

1354
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:43,600
channel. I think that was covered a
 

1355
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,110
channel. I think that was covered a
little bit in the video, right?

1356
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:45,120
little bit in the video, right?
 

1357
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,909
little bit in the video, right?
>> But um I don't think they work with each

1358
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:47,919
>> But um I don't think they work with each
 

1359
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,230
>> But um I don't think they work with each
other tangentally.

1360
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:50,240
other tangentally.
 

1361
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,430
other tangentally.
But um the difference is that um I don't

1362
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:55,440
But um the difference is that um I don't
 

1363
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,710
But um the difference is that um I don't
think um Chris has a presence on Saber

1364
00:28:00,710 --> 00:28:00,720
think um Chris has a presence on Saber
 

1365
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,510
think um Chris has a presence on Saber
Sparks whatever stuff, but he has a

1366
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:03,520
Sparks whatever stuff, but he has a
 

1367
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,350
Sparks whatever stuff, but he has a
presence in the DA game stuff. He's on

1368
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:05,360
presence in the DA game stuff. He's on
 

1369
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,950
presence in the DA game stuff. He's on
camera. They'll they'll do like let's

1370
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:06,960
camera. They'll they'll do like let's
 

1371
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,070
camera. They'll they'll do like let's
plays where he's on camera,

1372
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:10,080
plays where he's on camera,
 

1373
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,750
plays where he's on camera,
>> you know, based on the footage we had to

1374
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:11,760
>> you know, based on the footage we had to
 

1375
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,950
>> you know, based on the footage we had to
get. So

1376
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:12,960
get. So
 

1377
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,590
get. So
>> Okay. So before you decided to have like

1378
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:17,600
>> Okay. So before you decided to have like
 

1379
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,590
>> Okay. So before you decided to have like
the feature of this victim's testimony,

1380
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:19,600
the feature of this victim's testimony,
 

1381
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,750
the feature of this victim's testimony,
right? Like cuz you got this information

1382
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:21,760
right? Like cuz you got this information
 

1383
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,909
right? Like cuz you got this information
like later in production, right? Like we

1384
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:23,919
like later in production, right? Like we
 

1385
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,830
like later in production, right? Like we
I think we discussed March or something.

1386
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:25,840
I think we discussed March or something.
 

1387
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,470
I think we discussed March or something.
Is that from the last call?

1388
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:28,480
Is that from the last call?
 

1389
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,710
Is that from the last call?
>> Um yeah, that sounds that sounds about

1390
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:30,720
>> Um yeah, that sounds that sounds about
 

1391
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,470
>> Um yeah, that sounds that sounds about
right. I think I started talking late

1392
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:32,480
right. I think I started talking late
 

1393
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,029
right. I think I started talking late
February or early March. Yeah. But I can

1394
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:35,039
February or early March. Yeah. But I can
 

1395
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:35,669
February or early March. Yeah. But I can
Yeah.

1396
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:35,679
Yeah.
 

1397
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:38,470
Yeah.
>> Gotcha. So,

1398
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:38,480
>> Gotcha. So,
 

1399
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,110
>> Gotcha. So,
so before you had this person's

1400
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:41,120
so before you had this person's
 

1401
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,029
so before you had this person's
testimony, why isn't I getting reverb?

1402
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:43,039
testimony, why isn't I getting reverb?
 

1403
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,110
testimony, why isn't I getting reverb?
That was weird. Before you got this

1404
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:45,120
That was weird. Before you got this
 

1405
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,669
That was weird. Before you got this
person's testimony, you're a entire

1406
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:47,679
person's testimony, you're a entire
 

1407
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:49,510
person's testimony, you're a entire
video was originally just supposed to be

1408
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:49,520
video was originally just supposed to be
 

1409
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,430
video was originally just supposed to be
about DA Games. And was Saber supposed

1410
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:51,440
about DA Games. And was Saber supposed
 

1411
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,909
about DA Games. And was Saber supposed
to be more like a side like a little

1412
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:53,919
to be more like a side like a little
 

1413
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,389
to be more like a side like a little
side piece to that? Cuz like without the

1414
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:56,399
side piece to that? Cuz like without the
 

1415
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,789
side piece to that? Cuz like without the
victim's testimony, the mass major the

1416
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:58,799
victim's testimony, the mass major the
 

1417
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,870
victim's testimony, the mass major the
the majority of what you have in front

1418
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:00,880
the majority of what you have in front
 

1419
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,190
the majority of what you have in front
of you to work with that ties Saber into

1420
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:03,200
of you to work with that ties Saber into
 

1421
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,029
of you to work with that ties Saber into
all of this is just that he was like an

1422
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:05,039
all of this is just that he was like an
 

1423
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,510
all of this is just that he was like an
[\h__\h] on Twitter. Like not to seem

1424
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:07,520
[\h__\h] on Twitter. Like not to seem
 

1425
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,950
[\h__\h] on Twitter. Like not to seem
rude in that sort of assumption, but

1426
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:08,960
rude in that sort of assumption, but
 

1427
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,269
rude in that sort of assumption, but
like

1428
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:09,279
like
 

1429
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,510
like
>> Oh, no. I I got you. I got you. So,

1430
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:11,520
>> Oh, no. I I got you. I got you. So,
 

1431
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,710
>> Oh, no. I I got you. I got you. So,
well, yeah, let me be clear. So, the the

1432
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:14,720
well, yeah, let me be clear. So, the the
 

1433
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,510
well, yeah, let me be clear. So, the the
stuff with DA Games, I guess, just to be

1434
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:17,520
stuff with DA Games, I guess, just to be
 

1435
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,310
stuff with DA Games, I guess, just to be
clear, was things like sharing Lollcon

1436
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:20,320
clear, was things like sharing Lollcon
 

1437
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,110
clear, was things like sharing Lollcon
in places they had access that children

1438
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:23,120
in places they had access that children
 

1439
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,110
in places they had access that children
had access to. M

1440
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:25,120
had access to. M
 

1441
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,590
had access to. M
>> um like I think the testimony in the

1442
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:27,600
>> um like I think the testimony in the
 

1443
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,510
>> um like I think the testimony in the
video about Chris telling a beastiality

1444
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:29,520
video about Chris telling a beastiality
 

1445
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,549
video about Chris telling a beastiality
story to a minor or a joke or like

1446
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:32,559
story to a minor or a joke or like
 

1447
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,149
story to a minor or a joke or like
flirting with her I think or something

1448
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:34,159
flirting with her I think or something
 

1449
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:35,190
flirting with her I think or something
like that.

1450
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:35,200
like that.
 

1451
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,909
like that.
>> Um and then

1452
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:37,919
>> Um and then
 

1453
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:41,029
>> Um and then
um the grooming that was in the DA game

1454
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:41,039
um the grooming that was in the DA game
 

1455
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:46,549
um the grooming that was in the DA game
space that they refused to um

1456
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:46,559
space that they refused to um
 

1457
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,389
space that they refused to um
to to to do anything about from my

1458
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:50,399
to to to do anything about from my
 

1459
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:52,470
to to to do anything about from my
knowledge.

1460
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:52,480
knowledge.
 

1461
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,470
knowledge.
>> Okay. So that your original video was

1462
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:54,480
>> Okay. So that your original video was
 

1463
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,510
>> Okay. So that your original video was
mostly just about DA game. Uh so this is

1464
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:57,520
mostly just about DA game. Uh so this is
 

1465
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,789
mostly just about DA game. Uh so this is
what how I'm seeing it, right? Cuz I

1466
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:58,799
what how I'm seeing it, right? Cuz I
 

1467
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,149
what how I'm seeing it, right? Cuz I
made a video with the Black Griffin

1468
00:30:00,149 --> 00:30:00,159
made a video with the Black Griffin
 

1469
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:01,590
made a video with the Black Griffin
stuff and my whole thing with the even

1470
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:01,600
stuff and my whole thing with the even
 

1471
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,510
stuff and my whole thing with the even
including Sabers Spark was just like to

1472
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:03,520
including Sabers Spark was just like to
 

1473
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,190
including Sabers Spark was just like to
showcase well he defended him for one,

1474
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:05,200
showcase well he defended him for one,
 

1475
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,669
showcase well he defended him for one,
but also it was more so like the main

1476
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:07,679
but also it was more so like the main
 

1477
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,990
but also it was more so like the main
focus should be DA Games, but because

1478
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:10,000
focus should be DA Games, but because
 

1479
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,630
focus should be DA Games, but because
people asked Saber Spark, he he replied

1480
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:12,640
people asked Saber Spark, he he replied
 

1481
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,590
people asked Saber Spark, he he replied
and that was more to show it up. Not to

1482
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:15,600
and that was more to show it up. Not to
 

1483
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,149
and that was more to show it up. Not to
say he's as bad as you know, Black

1484
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:18,159
say he's as bad as you know, Black
 

1485
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,149
say he's as bad as you know, Black
Griffin, but to say that that's a little

1486
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:20,159
Griffin, but to say that that's a little
 

1487
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:23,029
Griffin, but to say that that's a little
hypocritical. What when you went into

1488
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:23,039
hypocritical. What when you went into
 

1489
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,029
hypocritical. What when you went into
the DA games thing and saw that Saber

1490
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:25,039
the DA games thing and saw that Saber
 

1491
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,669
the DA games thing and saw that Saber
Spark was tangentially kind of involved

1492
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:27,679
Spark was tangentially kind of involved
 

1493
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:29,430
Spark was tangentially kind of involved
through defending Chris, was that

1494
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:29,440
through defending Chris, was that
 

1495
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,350
through defending Chris, was that
supposed to be like before you learned

1496
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:31,360
supposed to be like before you learned
 

1497
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,350
supposed to be like before you learned
the victim's testimony was like, "Oh,

1498
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:33,360
the victim's testimony was like, "Oh,
 

1499
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,310
the victim's testimony was like, "Oh,
this is an example of Saber Spark

1500
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:36,320
this is an example of Saber Spark
 

1501
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,149
this is an example of Saber Spark
defending creepy behavior and that's

1502
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:38,159
defending creepy behavior and that's
 

1503
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,110
defending creepy behavior and that's
hypocritical kind of thing." Um, yeah.

1504
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:41,120
hypocritical kind of thing." Um, yeah.
 

1505
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:47,029
hypocritical kind of thing." Um, yeah.
on top of the um the like well I mean he

1506
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:47,039
on top of the um the like well I mean he
 

1507
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,750
on top of the um the like well I mean he
like from from the knowledge that I know

1508
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:49,760
like from from the knowledge that I know
 

1509
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,750
like from from the knowledge that I know
he talks openly about how he doesn't

1510
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:51,760
he talks openly about how he doesn't
 

1511
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,630
he talks openly about how he doesn't
defend Lycon and thinks it's disgusting.

1512
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:54,640
defend Lycon and thinks it's disgusting.
 

1513
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,470
defend Lycon and thinks it's disgusting.
Um Chris was sharing Lycon on top of the

1514
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:58,480
Um Chris was sharing Lycon on top of the
 

1515
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,870
Um Chris was sharing Lycon on top of the
sexual harassment story which which

1516
00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:00,880
sexual harassment story which which
 

1517
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,909
sexual harassment story which which
Saber never asked me about for whatever

1518
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:03,919
Saber never asked me about for whatever
 

1519
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:05,510
Saber never asked me about for whatever
reason. Um

1520
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:05,520
reason. Um
 

1521
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,269
reason. Um
>> but he confronted Chris about it but he

1522
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:07,279
>> but he confronted Chris about it but he
 

1523
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,590
>> but he confronted Chris about it but he
never got your statement on it. He never

1524
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:09,600
never got your statement on it. He never
 

1525
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,430
never got your statement on it. He never
No, he just took Chris at his word for

1526
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:11,440
No, he just took Chris at his word for
 

1527
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,070
No, he just took Chris at his word for
it that it was handled and Chris.

1528
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:14,080
it that it was handled and Chris.
 

1529
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,909
it that it was handled and Chris.
>> Okay.

1530
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:15,919
>> Okay.
 

1531
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:16,470
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.

1532
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:16,480
>> Yeah.
 

1533
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,630
>> Yeah.
>> Right. I'm getting the the indication

1534
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:18,640
>> Right. I'm getting the the indication
 

1535
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,590
>> Right. I'm getting the the indication
that this video before the accusations

1536
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:21,600
that this video before the accusations
 

1537
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,190
that this video before the accusations
obviously was supposed to be more so

1538
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:23,200
obviously was supposed to be more so
 

1539
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,350
obviously was supposed to be more so
like a showcase of more hypocrisy on

1540
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:25,360
like a showcase of more hypocrisy on
 

1541
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,510
like a showcase of more hypocrisy on
Saber Spark's end.

1542
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:27,520
Saber Spark's end.
 

1543
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,630
Saber Spark's end.
>> Yeah. And then the issue of um the

1544
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:30,640
>> Yeah. And then the issue of um the
 

1545
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,750
>> Yeah. And then the issue of um the
Twitter thread where he was basically

1546
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:33,760
Twitter thread where he was basically
 

1547
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,430
Twitter thread where he was basically
morality shaming me, but he he didn't

1548
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:37,440
morality shaming me, but he he didn't
 

1549
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,350
morality shaming me, but he he didn't
know. Like I think I think that the

1550
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:41,360
know. Like I think I think that the
 

1551
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,830
know. Like I think I think that the
whole reason Saber even knew about

1552
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:43,840
whole reason Saber even knew about
 

1553
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,029
whole reason Saber even knew about
Chris's um the the sexual harassment

1554
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:47,039
Chris's um the the sexual harassment
 

1555
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,269
Chris's um the the sexual harassment
stuff was because I told his staff and

1556
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:49,279
stuff was because I told his staff and
 

1557
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,789
stuff was because I told his staff and
he did not make the connection that um

1558
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:52,799
he did not make the connection that um
 

1559
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,029
he did not make the connection that um
that this like I was the one who told

1560
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:55,039
that this like I was the one who told
 

1561
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,630
that this like I was the one who told
the staff. this was just something that

1562
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:56,640
the staff. this was just something that
 

1563
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,710
the staff. this was just something that
was going around. Uh cuz we did release

1564
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:58,720
was going around. Uh cuz we did release
 

1565
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,230
was going around. Uh cuz we did release
a safety report about Chris. Um and um

1566
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:04,240
a safety report about Chris. Um and um
 

1567
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,389
a safety report about Chris. Um and um
you know didn't like I yeah I think it's

1568
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:06,399
you know didn't like I yeah I think it's
 

1569
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:07,830
you know didn't like I yeah I think it's
in the Twitter thread I said several

1570
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:07,840
in the Twitter thread I said several
 

1571
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,830
in the Twitter thread I said several
times like we can DM about this like

1572
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:09,840
times like we can DM about this like
 

1573
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,269
times like we can DM about this like
let's not

1574
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:11,279
let's not
 

1575
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,669
let's not
>> like call let's not deal do it this way

1576
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:13,679
>> like call let's not deal do it this way
 

1577
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:15,590
>> like call let's not deal do it this way
and then he kind of refused. So

1578
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:15,600
and then he kind of refused. So
 

1579
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,750
and then he kind of refused. So
>> Gotcha. Okay. I see. Okay. So right. So

1580
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:19,760
>> Gotcha. Okay. I see. Okay. So right. So
 

1581
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,190
>> Gotcha. Okay. I see. Okay. So right. So
my assumption and that is correct is

1582
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:21,200
my assumption and that is correct is
 

1583
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,470
my assumption and that is correct is
that this was supposed to be more of a

1584
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:22,480
that this was supposed to be more of a
 

1585
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,110
that this was supposed to be more of a
showcase of him being a hypocrite again

1586
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:25,120
showcase of him being a hypocrite again
 

1587
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:25,590
showcase of him being a hypocrite again
kind of thing.

1588
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:25,600
kind of thing.
 

1589
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,750
kind of thing.
>> Yeah. And using his um platform to

1590
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:27,760
>> Yeah. And using his um platform to
 

1591
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,029
>> Yeah. And using his um platform to
gaslight. Um

1592
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:29,039
gaslight. Um
 

1593
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,870
gaslight. Um
>> gotcha.

1594
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:30,880
>> gotcha.
 

1595
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,750
>> gotcha.
>> So when you did like

1596
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:33,760
>> So when you did like
 

1597
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,470
>> So when you did like
>> am I am I making whatever I should add

1598
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:36,480
>> am I am I making whatever I should add
 

1599
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,830
>> am I am I making whatever I should add
too um that was originally the tone for

1600
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:39,840
too um that was originally the tone for
 

1601
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,830
too um that was originally the tone for
the the piss on the moon bit. So, I

1602
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:41,840
the the piss on the moon bit. So, I
 

1603
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,950
the the piss on the moon bit. So, I
didn't think Saber was

1604
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:44,960
didn't think Saber was
 

1605
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,430
didn't think Saber was
like he wasn't guilty of like anything

1606
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:47,440
like he wasn't guilty of like anything
 

1607
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,070
like he wasn't guilty of like anything
too bad at the time when we conceived

1608
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:50,080
too bad at the time when we conceived
 

1609
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,149
too bad at the time when we conceived
that. It was just kind of him not really

1610
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:52,159
that. It was just kind of him not really
 

1611
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:55,430
that. It was just kind of him not really
being not taking his responsibilities

1612
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:55,440
being not taking his responsibilities
 

1613
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,909
being not taking his responsibilities
of being Chris's boss. Um,

1614
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:59,919
of being Chris's boss. Um,
 

1615
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:03,590
of being Chris's boss. Um,
seriously. Um, on top of the Twitter

1616
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:03,600
seriously. Um, on top of the Twitter
 

1617
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,149
seriously. Um, on top of the Twitter
stuff.

1618
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:04,159
stuff.
 

1619
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:08,149
stuff.
>> Gotcha. Okay. All right. Um, so I I have

1620
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:08,159
>> Gotcha. Okay. All right. Um, so I I have
 

1621
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:10,470
>> Gotcha. Okay. All right. Um, so I I have
to ask this, right? because like

1622
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:10,480
to ask this, right? because like
 

1623
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,549
to ask this, right? because like
obviously you're very interconnected in

1624
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:12,559
obviously you're very interconnected in
 

1625
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,870
obviously you're very interconnected in
all of this in terms of like you used to

1626
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:14,880
all of this in terms of like you used to
 

1627
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,310
all of this in terms of like you used to
know these people, right? You used to at

1628
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:16,320
know these people, right? You used to at
 

1629
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,870
know these people, right? You used to at
least consider them friends. Did that

1630
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:18,880
least consider them friends. Did that
 

1631
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,029
least consider them friends. Did that
ever like did you ever think that that

1632
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:21,039
ever like did you ever think that that
 

1633
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,710
ever like did you ever think that that
should have at least deterred you from

1634
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:22,720
should have at least deterred you from
 

1635
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,070
should have at least deterred you from
at least trying to make this video just

1636
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:26,080
at least trying to make this video just
 

1637
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,789
at least trying to make this video just
because of the personal connection to

1638
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:28,799
because of the personal connection to
 

1639
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:31,110
because of the personal connection to
it? because it might you you understand

1640
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:31,120
it? because it might you you understand
 

1641
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,669
it? because it might you you understand
that that could kind of make you seem a

1642
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:33,679
that that could kind of make you seem a
 

1643
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,830
that that could kind of make you seem a
little biased towards what you're

1644
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:35,840
little biased towards what you're
 

1645
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,190
little biased towards what you're
talking about because it's like well I

1646
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:37,200
talking about because it's like well I
 

1647
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,909
talking about because it's like well I
had a personal wrong against these

1648
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:39,919
had a personal wrong against these
 

1649
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:41,990
had a personal wrong against these
people and now I'm getting all of these

1650
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:42,000
people and now I'm getting all of these
 

1651
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,029
people and now I'm getting all of these
stories like you can showcase obviously

1652
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:45,039
stories like you can showcase obviously
 

1653
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,110
stories like you can showcase obviously
like him being an an [\h__\h] to you on

1654
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:47,120
like him being an an [\h__\h] to you on
 

1655
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,389
like him being an an [\h__\h] to you on
Twitter and whatever the hell like

1656
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:48,399
Twitter and whatever the hell like
 

1657
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:49,830
Twitter and whatever the hell like
that's that's a thing that's like people

1658
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:49,840
that's that's a thing that's like people
 

1659
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,950
that's that's a thing that's like people
can view and see but from your own like

1660
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,960
can view and see but from your own like
 

1661
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,710
can view and see but from your own like
personal experiences did you not think

1662
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:54,720
personal experiences did you not think
 

1663
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,389
personal experiences did you not think
that maybe it's like I might be coming

1664
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:56,399
that maybe it's like I might be coming
 

1665
00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,870
that maybe it's like I might be coming
across as a bit biased and that might

1666
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:58,880
across as a bit biased and that might
 

1667
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,509
across as a bit biased and that might
deter like the direction of the video.

1668
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:01,519
deter like the direction of the video.
 

1669
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,470
deter like the direction of the video.
Um

1670
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:04,480
Um
 

1671
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,269
Um
yeah, like no, no, not really at all. I

1672
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:07,279
yeah, like no, no, not really at all. I
 

1673
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,790
yeah, like no, no, not really at all. I
thought that um this would just be

1674
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:10,800
thought that um this would just be
 

1675
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,069
thought that um this would just be
another, you know, like notch in the

1676
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:14,079
another, you know, like notch in the
 

1677
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,950
another, you know, like notch in the
saber being creepy to women bit and I

1678
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:16,960
saber being creepy to women bit and I
 

1679
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,869
saber being creepy to women bit and I
should have just explained what happened

1680
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:18,879
should have just explained what happened
 

1681
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:20,470
should have just explained what happened
instead of just assuming that email

1682
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:20,480
instead of just assuming that email
 

1683
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,790
instead of just assuming that email
would tell all. But I purpos like I

1684
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:22,800
would tell all. But I purpos like I
 

1685
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,149
would tell all. But I purpos like I
think from you what you saw in the 2023

1686
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:26,159
think from you what you saw in the 2023
 

1687
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,990
think from you what you saw in the 2023
tweet. Um I didn't really want to go on

1688
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:30,000
tweet. Um I didn't really want to go on
 

1689
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,550
tweet. Um I didn't really want to go on
a go public I guess quote unquote with

1690
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:32,560
a go public I guess quote unquote with
 

1691
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,710
a go public I guess quote unquote with
my experiences with Saber because they

1692
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:34,720
my experiences with Saber because they
 

1693
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,589
my experiences with Saber because they
weren't criminal. He's just kind of like

1694
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:37,599
weren't criminal. He's just kind of like
 

1695
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,950
weren't criminal. He's just kind of like
you know an [\h__\h] Um and you know

1696
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:40,960
you know an [\h__\h] Um and you know
 

1697
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,030
you know an [\h__\h] Um and you know
that's not really you know that's that's

1698
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:43,040
that's not really you know that's that's
 

1699
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,030
that's not really you know that's that's
not really you know worth me to like

1700
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:45,040
not really you know worth me to like
 

1701
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,950
not really you know worth me to like
talking about I felt like. So

1702
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:46,960
talking about I felt like. So
 

1703
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,470
talking about I felt like. So
>> Sure.

1704
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:48,480
>> Sure.
 

1705
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,829
>> Sure.
>> Okay. So, back to just cuz I want to uh

1706
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:51,839
>> Okay. So, back to just cuz I want to uh
 

1707
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,230
>> Okay. So, back to just cuz I want to uh
I'm a little curious about this cuz we

1708
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:54,240
I'm a little curious about this cuz we
 

1709
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,909
I'm a little curious about this cuz we
kind of went into detail about like the

1710
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:55,919
kind of went into detail about like the
 

1711
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,829
kind of went into detail about like the
whispers you heard before this victim

1712
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:57,839
whispers you heard before this victim
 

1713
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,390
whispers you heard before this victim
came to you. Was there any particular

1714
00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:00,400
came to you. Was there any particular
 

1715
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,470
came to you. Was there any particular
reason why cuz I think it would have

1716
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:02,480
reason why cuz I think it would have
 

1717
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,030
reason why cuz I think it would have
helped. Maybe I'm wrong, right? Cuz

1718
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:05,040
helped. Maybe I'm wrong, right? Cuz
 

1719
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,710
helped. Maybe I'm wrong, right? Cuz
maybe that makes you look it could be

1720
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:06,720
maybe that makes you look it could be
 

1721
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,870
maybe that makes you look it could be
seen as one of two ways. Like maybe this

1722
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:08,880
seen as one of two ways. Like maybe this
 

1723
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,630
seen as one of two ways. Like maybe this
verifies the victim's story more or

1724
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:10,640
verifies the victim's story more or
 

1725
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,069
verifies the victim's story more or
maybe it makes you look more biased. I

1726
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:12,079
maybe it makes you look more biased. I
 

1727
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,670
maybe it makes you look more biased. I
don't know. Was there any particular

1728
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:13,680
don't know. Was there any particular
 

1729
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,349
don't know. Was there any particular
reason why in your video you never

1730
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:15,359
reason why in your video you never
 

1731
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:17,349
reason why in your video you never
mentioned that you heard whispers of

1732
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:17,359
mentioned that you heard whispers of
 

1733
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:20,230
mentioned that you heard whispers of
this back in 2015 or anything? Cuz that

1734
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:20,240
this back in 2015 or anything? Cuz that
 

1735
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,750
this back in 2015 or anything? Cuz that
wasn't something that you said in your

1736
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:21,760
wasn't something that you said in your
 

1737
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,030
wasn't something that you said in your
video. Um I Well, again, um the victim

1738
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:27,040
video. Um I Well, again, um the victim
 

1739
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,190
video. Um I Well, again, um the victim
was added late into the game, so we just

1740
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:29,200
was added late into the game, so we just
 

1741
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,750
was added late into the game, so we just
figure like that was the intention with

1742
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:31,760
figure like that was the intention with
 

1743
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,630
figure like that was the intention with
like and then it got worse. Um, as far

1744
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:34,640
like and then it got worse. Um, as far
 

1745
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,990
like and then it got worse. Um, as far
as So, yeah, I should have done a lot

1746
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:38,000
as So, yeah, I should have done a lot
 

1747
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,630
as So, yeah, I should have done a lot
more explaining cuz I just like part of

1748
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:40,640
more explaining cuz I just like part of
 

1749
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,470
more explaining cuz I just like part of
the problem with the video the many

1750
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:42,480
the problem with the video the many
 

1751
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,750
the problem with the video the many
problems with the videos. It just

1752
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:43,760
problems with the videos. It just
 

1753
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,430
problems with the videos. It just
inferred people knew information that

1754
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:45,440
inferred people knew information that
 

1755
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,030
inferred people knew information that
they did not know. Um, so I that's a

1756
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:49,040
they did not know. Um, so I that's a
 

1757
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,190
they did not know. Um, so I that's a
good point. I didn't think to to to

1758
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:51,200
good point. I didn't think to to to
 

1759
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,150
good point. I didn't think to to to
include that. But um

1760
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:54,160
include that. But um
 

1761
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,190
include that. But um
but yeah, but at the same time like as

1762
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:57,200
but yeah, but at the same time like as
 

1763
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,870
but yeah, but at the same time like as
as much as I think that that could have

1764
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:58,880
as much as I think that that could have
 

1765
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,790
as much as I think that that could have
been a good like part of your whole

1766
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:02,800
been a good like part of your whole
 

1767
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,870
been a good like part of your whole
thing is like I believe this victim

1768
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:04,880
thing is like I believe this victim
 

1769
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,630
thing is like I believe this victim
because I heard whispers of this even

1770
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:06,640
because I heard whispers of this even
 

1771
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,990
because I heard whispers of this even
back then, right? And you can be like

1772
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:10,000
back then, right? And you can be like
 

1773
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,670
back then, right? And you can be like
>> Yeah, of course. and you're like, I've

1774
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:11,680
>> Yeah, of course. and you're like, I've
 

1775
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,470
>> Yeah, of course. and you're like, I've
heard whispers of this back then, so I

1776
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:14,480
heard whispers of this back then, so I
 

1777
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,790
heard whispers of this back then, so I
believe this person because now now it's

1778
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:16,800
believe this person because now now it's
 

1779
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,630
believe this person because now now it's
like, oh, those whispers I heard back

1780
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:18,640
like, oh, those whispers I heard back
 

1781
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,630
like, oh, those whispers I heard back
then are now getting even more context

1782
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:20,640
then are now getting even more context
 

1783
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,150
then are now getting even more context
now that I've actually spoken to this

1784
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:22,160
now that I've actually spoken to this
 

1785
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,150
now that I've actually spoken to this
person and met them. But at the same

1786
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:24,160
person and met them. But at the same
 

1787
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,230
person and met them. But at the same
time, given that you heard whispers of

1788
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:26,240
time, given that you heard whispers of
 

1789
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,390
time, given that you heard whispers of
this back then, right? Uh it could

1790
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:30,400
this back then, right? Uh it could
 

1791
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,430
this back then, right? Uh it could
>> I guess for an audience be like either

1792
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:33,440
>> I guess for an audience be like either
 

1793
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,430
>> I guess for an audience be like either
you didn't do anything about the

1794
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:35,440
you didn't do anything about the
 

1795
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,030
you didn't do anything about the
whispering back then or you're

1796
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:39,040
whispering back then or you're
 

1797
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,349
whispering back then or you're
or I guess it's more of an indication

1798
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:41,359
or I guess it's more of an indication
 

1799
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:43,270
or I guess it's more of an indication
that you were so interconnected into

1800
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:43,280
that you were so interconnected into
 

1801
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,030
that you were so interconnected into
this and this was so interpersonal you

1802
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:45,040
this and this was so interpersonal you
 

1803
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,630
this and this was so interpersonal you
that maybe you should have let this be

1804
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:46,640
that maybe you should have let this be
 

1805
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,190
that maybe you should have let this be
picked up by a third party that wouldn't

1806
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:49,200
picked up by a third party that wouldn't
 

1807
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,109
picked up by a third party that wouldn't
have had that bias or something like

1808
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:51,119
have had that bias or something like
 

1809
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:52,150
have had that bias or something like
that.

1810
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:52,160
that.
 

1811
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,950
that.
>> Um no I get what you mean. Um, again, a

1812
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:54,960
>> Um no I get what you mean. Um, again, a
 

1813
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,270
>> Um no I get what you mean. Um, again, a
part of another part of the video's

1814
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:57,280
part of another part of the video's
 

1815
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,230
part of another part of the video's
problem is that I was afraid it was

1816
00:37:00,230 --> 00:37:00,240
problem is that I was afraid it was
 

1817
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,190
problem is that I was afraid it was
going to get leaked um when when people

1818
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:03,200
going to get leaked um when when people
 

1819
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,270
going to get leaked um when when people
were not ready. So, I only gave copies

1820
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:05,280
were not ready. So, I only gave copies
 

1821
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,310
were not ready. So, I only gave copies
to people I trust, but also the people I

1822
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:08,320
to people I trust, but also the people I
 

1823
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,710
to people I trust, but also the people I
trust were pretty aware of the situation

1824
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:10,720
trust were pretty aware of the situation
 

1825
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,589
trust were pretty aware of the situation
before making the video. So, therefore,

1826
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:13,599
before making the video. So, therefore,
 

1827
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,270
before making the video. So, therefore,
um I I guess I could see that. Um

1828
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:17,280
um I I guess I could see that. Um
 

1829
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,950
um I I guess I could see that. Um
>> it's like a strategy thing I think I'm

1830
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:18,960
>> it's like a strategy thing I think I'm
 

1831
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,069
>> it's like a strategy thing I think I'm
thinking of in my head. Like I'm

1832
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:20,079
thinking of in my head. Like I'm
 

1833
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:21,589
thinking of in my head. Like I'm
thinking of all possibilities here, but

1834
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:21,599
thinking of all possibilities here, but
 

1835
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,430
thinking of all possibilities here, but
it could just be overthinking it at the

1836
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:23,440
it could just be overthinking it at the
 

1837
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,190
it could just be overthinking it at the
same time. You know what I mean?

1838
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:25,200
same time. You know what I mean?
 

1839
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,349
same time. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. Um Oh. Um to clarify too, um I can

1840
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:29,359
>> Yeah. Um Oh. Um to clarify too, um I can
 

1841
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:33,750
>> Yeah. Um Oh. Um to clarify too, um I can
I can take ownership of this. Um, so

1842
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:33,760
I can take ownership of this. Um, so
 

1843
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,750
I can take ownership of this. Um, so
I knew that they slept together based on

1844
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:37,760
I knew that they slept together based on
 

1845
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,630
I knew that they slept together based on
multiple people um, telling me it, but I

1846
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:40,640
multiple people um, telling me it, but I
 

1847
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,430
multiple people um, telling me it, but I
wasn't like the the the con

1848
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:43,440
wasn't like the the the con
 

1849
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,829
wasn't like the the the con
confrontation was my only remembering of

1850
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:47,839
confrontation was my only remembering of
 

1851
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:52,550
confrontation was my only remembering of
it being a problem. So, um, so I was the

1852
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:52,560
it being a problem. So, um, so I was the
 

1853
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,510
it being a problem. So, um, so I was the
one, this is information that I've

1854
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:55,520
one, this is information that I've
 

1855
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,710
one, this is information that I've
heard, but I was the the one who, um,

1856
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:58,720
heard, but I was the the one who, um,
 

1857
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,109
heard, but I was the the one who, um,
who told the victim that he lost his,

1858
00:38:01,109 --> 00:38:01,119
who told the victim that he lost his,
 

1859
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,990
who told the victim that he lost his,
um, virginity to her because that's I I

1860
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:04,000
um, virginity to her because that's I I
 

1861
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,069
um, virginity to her because that's I I
remember hearing that from another party

1862
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:06,079
remember hearing that from another party
 

1863
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,790
remember hearing that from another party
who was talking about it, who doesn't

1864
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:08,800
who was talking about it, who doesn't
 

1865
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,270
who was talking about it, who doesn't
who don't like the victim, I should say.

1866
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:11,280
who don't like the victim, I should say.
 

1867
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,510
who don't like the victim, I should say.
So, they are pretty mad at me right now.

1868
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:13,520
So, they are pretty mad at me right now.
 

1869
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,069
So, they are pretty mad at me right now.
But,

1870
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:14,079
But,
 

1871
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,829
But,
>> who is this person that told you all

1872
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:15,839
>> who is this person that told you all
 

1873
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,470
>> who is this person that told you all
this? I haven't read it yet, but they

1874
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:18,480
this? I haven't read it yet, but they
 

1875
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,589
this? I haven't read it yet, but they
they just released a public open letter

1876
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:21,599
they just released a public open letter
 

1877
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:26,470
they just released a public open letter
because um they the oh to get back to

1878
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:26,480
because um they the oh to get back to
 

1879
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,870
because um they the oh to get back to
the some of the the chronological stuff

1880
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:28,880
the some of the the chronological stuff
 

1881
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,470
the some of the the chronological stuff
of the story. So um when I emailed

1882
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:32,480
of the story. So um when I emailed
 

1883
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,950
of the story. So um when I emailed
Stephen the first time, I I sent a very

1884
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:34,960
Stephen the first time, I I sent a very
 

1885
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,589
Stephen the first time, I I sent a very
neutral email that says, "Hey, you asked

1886
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:37,599
neutral email that says, "Hey, you asked
 

1887
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,190
neutral email that says, "Hey, you asked
for a direct email. Here's the direct

1888
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:39,200
for a direct email. Here's the direct
 

1889
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,109
for a direct email. Here's the direct
email." and he and I waited like a week

1890
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:41,119
email." and he and I waited like a week
 

1891
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,630
email." and he and I waited like a week
and he didn't get back to me, which kind

1892
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:42,640
and he didn't get back to me, which kind
 

1893
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,230
and he didn't get back to me, which kind
of pissed me off cuz like I was just

1894
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:44,240
of pissed me off cuz like I was just
 

1895
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,829
of pissed me off cuz like I was just
like, well, I'm doing exactly what you

1896
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:45,839
like, well, I'm doing exactly what you
 

1897
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:47,109
like, well, I'm doing exactly what you
wanted me to,

1898
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:47,119
wanted me to,
 

1899
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:47,589
wanted me to,
>> right?

1900
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:47,599
>> right?
 

1901
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,990
>> right?
>> And then um then I got more firm and um

1902
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:52,000
>> And then um then I got more firm and um
 

1903
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,630
>> And then um then I got more firm and um
talked about other problems I knew

1904
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:56,640
talked about other problems I knew
 

1905
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,870
talked about other problems I knew
on the staff, but I don't have like the

1906
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:58,880
on the staff, but I don't have like the
 

1907
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,230
on the staff, but I don't have like the
only evidence I have is staff members

1908
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:02,240
only evidence I have is staff members
 

1909
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,230
only evidence I have is staff members
telling me things. So that's what was

1910
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:04,240
telling me things. So that's what was
 

1911
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,230
telling me things. So that's what was
censored in the video. Um because I

1912
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:06,240
censored in the video. Um because I
 

1913
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,430
censored in the video. Um because I
didn't think that was fair if we didn't

1914
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:07,440
didn't think that was fair if we didn't
 

1915
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,630
didn't think that was fair if we didn't
have concrete proof of stuff. Um,

1916
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:10,640
have concrete proof of stuff. Um,
 

1917
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,270
have concrete proof of stuff. Um,
>> so, um, and then his response kind of I

1918
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:15,280
>> so, um, and then his response kind of I
 

1919
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,510
>> so, um, and then his response kind of I
think I think that was obviously that

1920
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:17,520
think I think that was obviously that
 

1921
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,230
think I think that was obviously that
was a mistake because he had kind of a

1922
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:20,240
was a mistake because he had kind of a
 

1923
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,470
was a mistake because he had kind of a
angle to respond to saying like, "Oh,

1924
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:22,480
angle to respond to saying like, "Oh,
 

1925
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,750
angle to respond to saying like, "Oh,
well that's not true and that's not

1926
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:23,760
well that's not true and that's not
 

1927
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,910
well that's not true and that's not
true." So, you're just like talking

1928
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,920
true." So, you're just like talking
 

1929
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,990
true." So, you're just like talking
about things that are not true and I'm

1930
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:28,000
about things that are not true and I'm
 

1931
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,510
about things that are not true and I'm
just I don't have time for this. Um,

1932
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:31,520
just I don't have time for this. Um,
 

1933
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,510
just I don't have time for this. Um,
>> right. So, in the second email, I gave

1934
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:35,520
>> right. So, in the second email, I gave
 

1935
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,390
>> right. So, in the second email, I gave
screenshots of the people I talked to

1936
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:38,400
screenshots of the people I talked to
 

1937
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,109
screenshots of the people I talked to
and screenshots of them confirming that

1938
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:43,119
and screenshots of them confirming that
 

1939
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,870
and screenshots of them confirming that
Steven had the information in front of

1940
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:44,880
Steven had the information in front of
 

1941
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,470
Steven had the information in front of
him. So, Steven,

1942
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:48,480
him. So, Steven,
 

1943
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,190
him. So, Steven,
I'm guessing, panicked

1944
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:51,200
I'm guessing, panicked
 

1945
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,790
I'm guessing, panicked
um because he realized he could be

1946
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:52,800
um because he realized he could be
 

1947
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,670
um because he realized he could be
caught in in in a lie um because the the

1948
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:55,680
caught in in in a lie um because the the
 

1949
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,470
caught in in in a lie um because the the
the the Twitter thread was public. But,

1950
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:58,480
the the Twitter thread was public. But,
 

1951
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,390
the the Twitter thread was public. But,
um he took the the thread down. He

1952
00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:00,400
um he took the the thread down. He
 

1953
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,589
um he took the the thread down. He
deleted it. Um, I don't know in relation

1954
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:03,599
deleted it. Um, I don't know in relation
 

1955
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,790
deleted it. Um, I don't know in relation
to email or he just maybe it's not the

1956
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:06,800
to email or he just maybe it's not the
 

1957
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,109
to email or he just maybe it's not the
best look. I don't I don't I think it

1958
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:09,119
best look. I don't I don't I think it
 

1959
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,910
best look. I don't I don't I think it
was a week after it that I realized it

1960
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:11,920
was a week after it that I realized it
 

1961
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,550
was a week after it that I realized it
was but we got immediately. Um,

1962
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:16,560
was but we got immediately. Um,
 

1963
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,109
was but we got immediately. Um,
but um

1964
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:19,119
but um
 

1965
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,630
but um
yeah, I guess I guess we're not friends

1966
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:20,640
yeah, I guess I guess we're not friends
 

1967
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,870
yeah, I guess I guess we're not friends
anymore, so whatever. Um, do you

1968
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:22,880
anymore, so whatever. Um, do you
 

1969
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,430
anymore, so whatever. Um, do you
remember from your video

1970
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:25,440
remember from your video
 

1971
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,750
remember from your video
Sabers's editor's wife, Casey Fish? Mhm.

1972
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:31,760
Sabers's editor's wife, Casey Fish? Mhm.
 

1973
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,630
Sabers's editor's wife, Casey Fish? Mhm.
Uh, I do recall them defending Black

1974
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:34,640
Uh, I do recall them defending Black
 

1975
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,310
Uh, I do recall them defending Black
Griffin.

1976
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:36,320
Griffin.
 

1977
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,750
Griffin.
So, that was one of the people Stephen

1978
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:39,760
So, that was one of the people Stephen
 

1979
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,150
So, that was one of the people Stephen
assumingly

1980
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:42,160
assumingly
 

1981
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,589
assumingly
um because we we are we were I guess.

1982
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:45,599
um because we we are we were I guess.
 

1983
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:46,870
um because we we are we were I guess.
Yeah, she unfollowed me. I don't think

1984
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:46,880
Yeah, she unfollowed me. I don't think
 

1985
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,790
Yeah, she unfollowed me. I don't think
we're friends anymore, but whatever. Um,

1986
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:48,800
we're friends anymore, but whatever. Um,
 

1987
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,470
we're friends anymore, but whatever. Um,
I kind of knew that going in that I was

1988
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:50,480
I kind of knew that going in that I was
 

1989
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,390
I kind of knew that going in that I was
going to lose her as a friend, but um,

1990
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:52,400
going to lose her as a friend, but um,
 

1991
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,390
going to lose her as a friend, but um,
ethically I think it's [\h__\h] up that

1992
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:54,400
ethically I think it's [\h__\h] up that
 

1993
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,030
ethically I think it's [\h__\h] up that
you know you're Oh, I can go in that I

1994
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:57,040
you know you're Oh, I can go in that I
 

1995
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,510
you know you're Oh, I can go in that I
can go into that for in a second, but

1996
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:59,520
can go into that for in a second, but
 

1997
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:06,550
can go into that for in a second, but
um, I think Saber asked um, Casey to

1998
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:06,560
um, I think Saber asked um, Casey to
 

1999
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,030
um, I think Saber asked um, Casey to
kind of calm me down from a PR

2000
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:09,040
kind of calm me down from a PR
 

2001
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,790
kind of calm me down from a PR
standpoint.

2002
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:10,800
standpoint.
 

2003
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,750
standpoint.
And um Casey

2004
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:13,760
And um Casey
 

2005
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,030
And um Casey
um I don't think releasing those

2006
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:15,040
um I don't think releasing those
 

2007
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,829
um I don't think releasing those
screenshots are fair, but Casey

2008
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:17,839
screenshots are fair, but Casey
 

2009
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:19,589
screenshots are fair, but Casey
um

2010
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:19,599
um
 

2011
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:24,230
um
told me that um she tried to kind of use

2012
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:24,240
told me that um she tried to kind of use
 

2013
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,510
told me that um she tried to kind of use
like, oh, you know, you can make a video

2014
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:27,520
like, oh, you know, you can make a video
 

2015
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,349
like, oh, you know, you can make a video
about Chris, but I don't even know why

2016
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:29,359
about Chris, but I don't even know why
 

2017
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,190
about Chris, but I don't even know why
Saber needs to be mentioned because if

2018
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:31,200
Saber needs to be mentioned because if
 

2019
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,870
Saber needs to be mentioned because if
there's any consequences, then my

2020
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:32,880
there's any consequences, then my
 

2021
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,670
there's any consequences, then my
husband can lose his job. And I'm just

2022
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:35,680
husband can lose his job. And I'm just
 

2023
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,190
husband can lose his job. And I'm just
like,

2024
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:37,200
like,
 

2025
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,670
like,
look, lady, like

2026
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:39,680
look, lady, like
 

2027
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,829
look, lady, like
I get it. And she also inferred things

2028
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:41,839
I get it. And she also inferred things
 

2029
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:43,829
I get it. And she also inferred things
like, oh, you're just like like what

2030
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:43,839
like, oh, you're just like like what
 

2031
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:45,910
like, oh, you're just like like what
people are referring now that like, oh,

2032
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:45,920
people are referring now that like, oh,
 

2033
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,230
people are referring now that like, oh,
you did this for your attention. You're

2034
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:48,240
you did this for your attention. You're
 

2035
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,870
you did this for your attention. You're
throwing a tantrum on on YouTube to to

2036
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:50,880
throwing a tantrum on on YouTube to to
 

2037
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,950
throwing a tantrum on on YouTube to to
an audience. Like that's not what adults

2038
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:52,960
an audience. Like that's not what adults
 

2039
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,829
an audience. Like that's not what adults
do. And I'm just like, listen here. Um,

2040
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:55,839
do. And I'm just like, listen here. Um,
 

2041
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,349
do. And I'm just like, listen here. Um,
I knew I wasn't going to win the art

2042
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:57,359
I knew I wasn't going to win the art
 

2043
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:59,030
I knew I wasn't going to win the art
argument with her, so I just ended it on

2044
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:59,040
argument with her, so I just ended it on
 

2045
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,030
argument with her, so I just ended it on
a neutral note. Um.

2046
00:42:01,030 --> 00:42:01,040
a neutral note. Um.
 

2047
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,430
a neutral note. Um.
>> Mhm.

2048
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:01,440
>> Mhm.
 

2049
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,510
>> Mhm.
>> But I think that's something that

2050
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:03,520
>> But I think that's something that
 

2051
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,710
>> But I think that's something that
Saberoo did to

2052
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:06,720
Saberoo did to
 

2053
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,470
Saberoo did to
kind of um hedge his bets regarding me

2054
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:10,480
kind of um hedge his bets regarding me
 

2055
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,550
kind of um hedge his bets regarding me
is sent Casey to talk to me. Um because,

2056
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:14,560
is sent Casey to talk to me. Um because,
 

2057
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,109
is sent Casey to talk to me. Um because,
you know, I did try to ask her what

2058
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:17,119
you know, I did try to ask her what
 

2059
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,510
you know, I did try to ask her what
Saber told her directly and she kind of

2060
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:19,520
Saber told her directly and she kind of
 

2061
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,670
Saber told her directly and she kind of
kept she kept on dodging that question.

2062
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:21,680
kept she kept on dodging that question.
 

2063
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,349
kept she kept on dodging that question.
So um

2064
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:23,359
So um
 

2065
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:28,790
So um
>> like in regards to what? Um,

2066
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:28,800
>> like in regards to what? Um,
 

2067
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,630
>> like in regards to what? Um,
so, so I proved that I had the

2068
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:30,640
so, so I proved that I had the
 

2069
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,950
so, so I proved that I had the
screenshots. He knew I was making a

2070
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:32,960
screenshots. He knew I was making a
 

2071
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,550
screenshots. He knew I was making a
video about Chris, but to his knowledge

2072
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:34,560
video about Chris, but to his knowledge
 

2073
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,069
video about Chris, but to his knowledge
before then, he wasn't going to be

2074
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:36,079
before then, he wasn't going to be
 

2075
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,190
before then, he wasn't going to be
mentioned in the video. Uh, the emails

2076
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:39,200
mentioned in the video. Uh, the emails
 

2077
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,750
mentioned in the video. Uh, the emails
can confirm that that wasn't the case

2078
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:41,760
can confirm that that wasn't the case
 

2079
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,309
can confirm that that wasn't the case
and he freaked out and I think he asked

2080
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:44,319
and he freaked out and I think he asked
 

2081
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:47,510
and he freaked out and I think he asked
Casey to intervene. Not sure. Um, but

2082
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:47,520
Casey to intervene. Not sure. Um, but
 

2083
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,910
Casey to intervene. Not sure. Um, but
pretty sure. Um, and then Casey would

2084
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:49,920
pretty sure. Um, and then Casey would
 

2085
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,950
pretty sure. Um, and then Casey would
not tell me what he said, but I'm sure

2086
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:52,960
not tell me what he said, but I'm sure
 

2087
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,790
not tell me what he said, but I'm sure
Steven villainized me and said, "Oh,

2088
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:54,800
Steven villainized me and said, "Oh,
 

2089
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,630
Steven villainized me and said, "Oh,
she's just a [\h__\h] she's going to do

2090
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:56,640
she's just a [\h__\h] she's going to do
 

2091
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,589
she's just a [\h__\h] she's going to do
this for for clout and you know she's

2092
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:59,599
this for for clout and you know she's
 

2093
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,230
this for for clout and you know she's
going to ruin my reputation and you know

2094
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:02,240
going to ruin my reputation and you know
 

2095
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,309
going to ruin my reputation and you know
blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever.

2096
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:04,319
blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever.
 

2097
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,150
blah blah blah blah blah blah whatever.
So that's what I assume happened cuz her

2098
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:06,160
So that's what I assume happened cuz her
 

2099
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,470
So that's what I assume happened cuz her
tone was very like, you know, this is an

2100
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:08,480
tone was very like, you know, this is an
 

2101
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,349
tone was very like, you know, this is an
immature thing to do. And I'm just like

2102
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:11,359
immature thing to do. And I'm just like
 

2103
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,829
immature thing to do. And I'm just like
like my my gecko cuz I had a

2104
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:13,839
like my my gecko cuz I had a
 

2105
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:17,109
like my my gecko cuz I had a
conversation with um um one of the

2106
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:17,119
conversation with um um one of the
 

2107
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,950
conversation with um um one of the
people that helped me write the script

2108
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:18,960
people that helped me write the script
 

2109
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,230
people that helped me write the script
um for a long time about the ethics of,

2110
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:22,240
um for a long time about the ethics of,
 

2111
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,190
um for a long time about the ethics of,
you know, should we bring like bringing

2112
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:25,200
you know, should we bring like bringing
 

2113
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,230
you know, should we bring like bringing
Saber in for something? But then we kind

2114
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:28,240
Saber in for something? But then we kind
 

2115
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,390
Saber in for something? But then we kind
of realized, you know, he Chris is his

2116
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:30,400
of realized, you know, he Chris is his
 

2117
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,230
of realized, you know, he Chris is his
employee. He is responsible. he's

2118
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:32,240
employee. He is responsible. he's
 

2119
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,190
employee. He is responsible. he's
responsible for the gaslighting, you

2120
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:35,200
responsible for the gaslighting, you
 

2121
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,349
responsible for the gaslighting, you
know, like he doesn't get a pass because

2122
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:37,359
know, like he doesn't get a pass because
 

2123
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,990
know, like he doesn't get a pass because
he's my friend's husband's boss. Like

2124
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:40,000
he's my friend's husband's boss. Like
 

2125
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,790
he's my friend's husband's boss. Like
that doesn't like that doesn't make any

2126
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:42,800
that doesn't like that doesn't make any
 

2127
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,910
that doesn't like that doesn't make any
sense to me.

2128
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:43,920
sense to me.
 

2129
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,109
sense to me.
>> Right. And by the time that you're

2130
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:45,119
>> Right. And by the time that you're
 

2131
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:46,950
>> Right. And by the time that you're
having this conversation, this back and

2132
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:46,960
having this conversation, this back and
 

2133
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,349
having this conversation, this back and
forth, like you weren't discussing just

2134
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:49,359
forth, like you weren't discussing just
 

2135
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,950
forth, like you weren't discussing just
the whole rape thing with them. You were

2136
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:50,960
the whole rape thing with them. You were
 

2137
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,510
the whole rape thing with them. You were
talking specifically aware of the rape

2138
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:53,520
talking specifically aware of the rape
 

2139
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,270
talking specifically aware of the rape
thing before that.

2140
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:55,280
thing before that.
 

2141
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,870
thing before that.
>> Okay.

2142
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:56,880
>> Okay.
 

2143
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,349
>> Okay.
So, most of your confrontations through

2144
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:59,359
So, most of your confrontations through
 

2145
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:03,190
So, most of your confrontations through
email with uh Casey Fish and uh Saber

2146
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:03,200
email with uh Casey Fish and uh Saber
 

2147
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,589
email with uh Casey Fish and uh Saber
were just about the Kristoff. Did you

2148
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:05,599
were just about the Kristoff. Did you
 

2149
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:06,630
were just about the Kristoff. Did you
ever

2150
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:06,640
ever
 

2151
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,870
ever
>> like talk to Saber about that by the

2152
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:08,880
>> like talk to Saber about that by the
 

2153
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,309
>> like talk to Saber about that by the
way?

2154
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:10,319
way?
 

2155
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:11,990
way?
>> Like before your video came out, did you

2156
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:12,000
>> Like before your video came out, did you
 

2157
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,510
>> Like before your video came out, did you
ever like went to him and like, "Hey, do

2158
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:13,520
ever like went to him and like, "Hey, do
 

2159
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,349
ever like went to him and like, "Hey, do
you have like a something to say about

2160
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:15,359
you have like a something to say about
 

2161
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:16,870
you have like a something to say about
this or whatever?"

2162
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:16,880
this or whatever?"
 

2163
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,670
this or whatever?"
>> Um well, yeah, I've I I can answer both

2164
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:19,680
>> Um well, yeah, I've I I can answer both
 

2165
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,870
>> Um well, yeah, I've I I can answer both
of your questions. So, I did talk to

2166
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:20,880
of your questions. So, I did talk to
 

2167
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,910
of your questions. So, I did talk to
Casey via Discord, not email, but I did

2168
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:23,920
Casey via Discord, not email, but I did
 

2169
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,910
Casey via Discord, not email, but I did
so I emailed

2170
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:25,920
so I emailed
 

2171
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,150
so I emailed
Yeah. So, this out of response to the

2172
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:28,160
Yeah. So, this out of response to the
 

2173
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,829
Yeah. So, this out of response to the
second email where he said, "Hey, I got

2174
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:29,839
second email where he said, "Hey, I got
 

2175
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:31,670
second email where he said, "Hey, I got
screenshots. Here you go." Like what I

2176
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:31,680
screenshots. Here you go." Like what I
 

2177
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:37,190
screenshots. Here you go." Like what I
said on Twitter. Um, so, um,

2178
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:37,200
said on Twitter. Um, so, um,
 

2179
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,390
said on Twitter. Um, so, um,
what was the what was the second

2180
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:38,400
what was the what was the second
 

2181
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,190
what was the what was the second
question? Sorry. Well, I was asking if

2182
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:41,200
question? Sorry. Well, I was asking if
 

2183
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,750
question? Sorry. Well, I was asking if
um you ever actually like before your

2184
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:43,760
um you ever actually like before your
 

2185
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,150
um you ever actually like before your
video when you were like putting that

2186
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:46,160
video when you were like putting that
 

2187
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,470
video when you were like putting that
together and you got the news about uh

2188
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:48,480
together and you got the news about uh
 

2189
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,190
together and you got the news about uh
the rape thing, did you ever talk to

2190
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:51,200
the rape thing, did you ever talk to
 

2191
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,510
the rape thing, did you ever talk to
either of these two, Casey or Saber

2192
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:53,520
either of these two, Casey or Saber
 

2193
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,710
either of these two, Casey or Saber
about this allegation before?

2194
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:56,720
about this allegation before?
 

2195
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,190
about this allegation before?
Um,

2196
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:59,200
Um,
 

2197
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,349
Um,
yes, without going to Casey, without

2198
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:01,359
yes, without going to Casey, without
 

2199
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:05,510
yes, without going to Casey, without
going into too much detail, but um, for

2200
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:05,520
going into too much detail, but um, for
 

2201
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,870
going into too much detail, but um, for
the not Saber directly because I assumed

2202
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:08,880
the not Saber directly because I assumed
 

2203
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,309
the not Saber directly because I assumed
by the Twitter interaction he um, was

2204
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:12,319
by the Twitter interaction he um, was
 

2205
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,309
by the Twitter interaction he um, was
afraid to talk to me cuz he was afraid I

2206
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:14,319
afraid to talk to me cuz he was afraid I
 

2207
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:15,750
afraid to talk to me cuz he was afraid I
was going to secretly record him, which

2208
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:15,760
was going to secretly record him, which
 

2209
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,430
was going to secretly record him, which
is like, you know, fair, but um, or do

2210
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:19,440
is like, you know, fair, but um, or do
 

2211
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,190
is like, you know, fair, but um, or do
something with the communications or

2212
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:21,200
something with the communications or
 

2213
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,349
something with the communications or
something like that, which like, you

2214
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:23,359
something like that, which like, you
 

2215
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,109
something like that, which like, you
know, I don't understand like if if he

2216
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:25,119
know, I don't understand like if if he
 

2217
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:26,710
know, I don't understand like if if he
kind of knew that going in. I don't know

2218
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:26,720
kind of knew that going in. I don't know
 

2219
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,030
kind of knew that going in. I don't know
why he taking like my first email more

2220
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:29,040
why he taking like my first email more
 

2221
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,910
why he taking like my first email more
seriously, but uh you know, whatever.

2222
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:31,920
seriously, but uh you know, whatever.
 

2223
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,710
seriously, but uh you know, whatever.
>> But in terms of like talking about like

2224
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:34,720
>> But in terms of like talking about like
 

2225
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,270
>> But in terms of like talking about like
the allegations that came to you from

2226
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:37,280
the allegations that came to you from
 

2227
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,990
the allegations that came to you from
the victim, you never did. You ever

2228
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:40,000
the victim, you never did. You ever
 

2229
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,309
the victim, you never did. You ever
>> Oh, no, no, no. I never confronted Saber

2230
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:42,319
>> Oh, no, no, no. I never confronted Saber
 

2231
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:45,109
>> Oh, no, no, no. I never confronted Saber
about the the rape allegations. Um she

2232
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:45,119
about the the rape allegations. Um she
 

2233
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,270
about the the rape allegations. Um she
um Excuse me. They are very afraid of

2234
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:47,280
um Excuse me. They are very afraid of
 

2235
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,069
um Excuse me. They are very afraid of
Saber. So, they are very afraid that

2236
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:50,079
Saber. So, they are very afraid that
 

2237
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:51,589
Saber. So, they are very afraid that
he's going to

2238
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:51,599
he's going to
 

2239
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,710
he's going to
>> like he obviously knows who it is, but

2240
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:54,720
>> like he obviously knows who it is, but
 

2241
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,829
>> like he obviously knows who it is, but
um you know, he he's going to stick his

2242
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:57,839
um you know, he he's going to stick his
 

2243
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:01,589
um you know, he he's going to stick his
fan base on them and um they're going to

2244
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:01,599
fan base on them and um they're going to
 

2245
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:02,550
fan base on them and um they're going to
get harassed.

2246
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:02,560
get harassed.
 

2247
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,790
get harassed.
>> Sure, I got you. But you did you ever go

2248
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:04,800
>> Sure, I got you. But you did you ever go
 

2249
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,910
>> Sure, I got you. But you did you ever go
to Casey about any at any point?

2250
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:07,920
to Casey about any at any point?
 

2251
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,230
to Casey about any at any point?
>> Um

2252
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:10,240
>> Um
 

2253
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,030
>> Um
Casey was the party that did not like

2254
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:13,040
Casey was the party that did not like
 

2255
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,349
Casey was the party that did not like
the victim, so I didn't think there was

2256
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:15,359
the victim, so I didn't think there was
 

2257
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,550
the victim, so I didn't think there was
a point.

2258
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:16,560
a point.
 

2259
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,510
a point.
>> Okay, got you. Um, I did want to ask you

2260
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:19,520
>> Okay, got you. Um, I did want to ask you
 

2261
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,910
>> Okay, got you. Um, I did want to ask you
in terms of like what you told me,

2262
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:21,920
in terms of like what you told me,
 

2263
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,910
in terms of like what you told me,
right? Um, about the allegations against

2264
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:25,920
right? Um, about the allegations against
 

2265
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,750
right? Um, about the allegations against
Sabers Spark because you said that you

2266
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:27,760
Sabers Spark because you said that you
 

2267
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,470
Sabers Spark because you said that you
wanted to uh, let me go back and

2268
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:30,480
wanted to uh, let me go back and
 

2269
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,950
wanted to uh, let me go back and
remember what you said. Um, it was

2270
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,960
remember what you said. Um, it was
 

2271
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,950
remember what you said. Um, it was
supposed to go up right before the video

2272
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:34,960
supposed to go up right before the video
 

2273
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,710
supposed to go up right before the video
to blindside him. Could you elaborate

2274
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:38,720
to blindside him. Could you elaborate
 

2275
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,790
to blindside him. Could you elaborate
what you meant by that?

2276
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:40,800
what you meant by that?
 

2277
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,870
what you meant by that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the idea was

2278
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:44,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the idea was
 

2279
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,870
>> Yeah. Yeah. So the idea was
like if the vid if the statement was

2280
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:46,880
like if the vid if the statement was
 

2281
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,750
like if the vid if the statement was
just on Twitter um he would have more

2282
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:49,760
just on Twitter um he would have more
 

2283
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,670
just on Twitter um he would have more
control over public knowledge of it. But

2284
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:53,680
control over public knowledge of it. But
 

2285
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,950
control over public knowledge of it. But
if it was on Twitter and in the video

2286
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:56,960
if it was on Twitter and in the video
 

2287
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,390
if it was on Twitter and in the video
then I was hoping that we would get to a

2288
00:47:00,390 --> 00:47:00,400
then I was hoping that we would get to a
 

2289
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,630
then I was hoping that we would get to a
a wider range of the public before he

2290
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:02,640
a wider range of the public before he
 

2291
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,750
a wider range of the public before he
had res time to respond. So they were

2292
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:05,760
had res time to respond. So they were
 

2293
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,750
had res time to respond. So they were
supposed to kind of interconnect in that

2294
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:07,760
supposed to kind of interconnect in that
 

2295
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,230
supposed to kind of interconnect in that
way that you know obvious did not

2296
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:10,240
way that you know obvious did not
 

2297
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,790
way that you know obvious did not
happen. Um well maybe it happened around

2298
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:12,800
happen. Um well maybe it happened around
 

2299
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,829
happen. Um well maybe it happened around
about Yeah, that

2300
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:15,839
about Yeah, that
 

2301
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:18,309
about Yeah, that
um at the same time.

2302
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:18,319
um at the same time.
 

2303
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:22,550
um at the same time.
>> Okay. But you do see that like from a

2304
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:22,560
>> Okay. But you do see that like from a
 

2305
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,550
>> Okay. But you do see that like from a
strategy perspective that trying to

2306
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:24,560
strategy perspective that trying to
 

2307
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,630
strategy perspective that trying to
blindside a person with allegations this

2308
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:26,640
blindside a person with allegations this
 

2309
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,349
blindside a person with allegations this
serious was probably a little

2310
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:29,359
serious was probably a little
 

2311
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,430
serious was probably a little
vindictive, I guess is the best way to

2312
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:31,440
vindictive, I guess is the best way to
 

2313
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,750
vindictive, I guess is the best way to
put that. Um yeah, I could I can see

2314
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:35,760
put that. Um yeah, I could I can see
 

2315
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,069
put that. Um yeah, I could I can see
that. I guess um at that point with like

2316
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:40,079
that. I guess um at that point with like
 

2317
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,630
that. I guess um at that point with like
I knew like Saber was not interested in

2318
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:42,640
I knew like Saber was not interested in
 

2319
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,390
I knew like Saber was not interested in
talking to me about the Chris stuff. You

2320
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:44,400
talking to me about the Chris stuff. You
 

2321
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,150
talking to me about the Chris stuff. You
know, I was very clear in my last email

2322
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:46,160
know, I was very clear in my last email
 

2323
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,510
know, I was very clear in my last email
that I didn't want him to contact me

2324
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:47,520
that I didn't want him to contact me
 

2325
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,750
that I didn't want him to contact me
because they

2326
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:49,760
because they
 

2327
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,309
because they
um so it didn't seem like that avenue

2328
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:54,319
um so it didn't seem like that avenue
 

2329
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:58,390
um so it didn't seem like that avenue
open. And even so, um not that that like

2330
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:58,400
open. And even so, um not that that like
 

2331
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,069
open. And even so, um not that that like
I get what you're saying, not that it

2332
00:48:00,069 --> 00:48:00,079
I get what you're saying, not that it
 

2333
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,870
I get what you're saying, not that it
okay or that, but

2334
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:02,880
okay or that, but
 

2335
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,950
okay or that, but
>> Sorry, you're cutting out a lot. Um,

2336
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:04,960
>> Sorry, you're cutting out a lot. Um,
 

2337
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,550
>> Sorry, you're cutting out a lot. Um,
>> oh, sorry.

2338
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:06,560
>> oh, sorry.
 

2339
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,510
>> oh, sorry.
>> Yeah,

2340
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:07,520
>> Yeah,
 

2341
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,349
>> Yeah,
>> let me close the YouTube. Maybe that

2342
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:09,359
>> let me close the YouTube. Maybe that
 

2343
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:10,710
>> let me close the YouTube. Maybe that
will help.

2344
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,720
will help.
 

2345
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,470
will help.
>> Okay. Is that any better?

2346
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:12,480
>> Okay. Is that any better?
 

2347
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,670
>> Okay. Is that any better?
>> Yeah. I don't know if it's probably on

2348
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:13,680
>> Yeah. I don't know if it's probably on
 

2349
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,309
>> Yeah. I don't know if it's probably on
my end, too, cuz God knows that every

2350
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:16,319
my end, too, cuz God knows that every
 

2351
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,790
my end, too, cuz God knows that every
time I enter into my living vicinity,

2352
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:18,800
time I enter into my living vicinity,
 

2353
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,030
time I enter into my living vicinity,
it's a [\h__\h] Bermuda Triangle, and I

2354
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:21,040
it's a [\h__\h] Bermuda Triangle, and I
 

2355
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,710
it's a [\h__\h] Bermuda Triangle, and I
never have good connection ever, but you

2356
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:22,720
never have good connection ever, but you
 

2357
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:23,030
never have good connection ever, but you
know,

2358
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:23,040
know,
 

2359
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,150
know,
>> right?

2360
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:24,160
>> right?
 

2361
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,630
>> right?
>> But yeah, you do understand that like

2362
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:26,640
>> But yeah, you do understand that like
 

2363
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,470
>> But yeah, you do understand that like
the way you worded that to me is a

2364
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:28,480
the way you worded that to me is a
 

2365
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,069
the way you worded that to me is a
little bit of a red flag, right? Cuz

2366
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:30,079
little bit of a red flag, right? Cuz
 

2367
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,829
little bit of a red flag, right? Cuz
like if you're going to like post

2368
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:31,839
like if you're going to like post
 

2369
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:34,069
like if you're going to like post
serious allegations about somebody,

2370
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:34,079
serious allegations about somebody,
 

2371
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,470
serious allegations about somebody,
first of all, you have to like present

2372
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:36,480
first of all, you have to like present
 

2373
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,549
first of all, you have to like present
them as like giving them a chance to

2374
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:38,559
them as like giving them a chance to
 

2375
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,549
them as like giving them a chance to
respond to them or a legal precedent for

2376
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:40,559
respond to them or a legal precedent for
 

2377
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,910
respond to them or a legal precedent for
one. And for two, like

2378
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:43,920
one. And for two, like
 

2379
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,230
one. And for two, like
if there's like ever, not that I'm

2380
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:46,240
if there's like ever, not that I'm
 

2381
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,390
if there's like ever, not that I'm
saying that I don't believe anybody in

2382
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:48,400
saying that I don't believe anybody in
 

2383
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,230
saying that I don't believe anybody in
this story. It's it's usually on the

2384
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:50,240
this story. It's it's usually on the
 

2385
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,390
this story. It's it's usually on the
safer end to try to believe it until

2386
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:54,400
safer end to try to believe it until
 

2387
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,190
safer end to try to believe it until
further reason to not believe it. Right.

2388
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:57,200
further reason to not believe it. Right.
 

2389
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,510
further reason to not believe it. Right.
But you do understand if there's any

2390
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:59,520
But you do understand if there's any
 

2391
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,030
But you do understand if there's any
chance in hell

2392
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:01,040
chance in hell
 

2393
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,710
chance in hell
>> that this isn't true that then you using

2394
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:04,720
>> that this isn't true that then you using
 

2395
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,190
>> that this isn't true that then you using
these to blindside somebody off of the

2396
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:07,200
these to blindside somebody off of the
 

2397
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,470
these to blindside somebody off of the
present that you think they're telling

2398
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:08,480
present that you think they're telling
 

2399
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,230
present that you think they're telling
the truth but they're not real could get

2400
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:10,240
the truth but they're not real could get
 

2401
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,030
the truth but they're not real could get
you into some really big trouble, right?

2402
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:13,040
you into some really big trouble, right?
 

2403
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,150
you into some really big trouble, right?
>> Yeah. No, I understand that. Um

2404
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:16,160
>> Yeah. No, I understand that. Um
 

2405
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,430
>> Yeah. No, I understand that. Um
I think I think it was also a

2406
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:19,440
I think I think it was also a
 

2407
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,790
I think I think it was also a
conversation that she's afraid of Saber.

2408
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:22,800
conversation that she's afraid of Saber.
 

2409
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,390
conversation that she's afraid of Saber.
So,

2410
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:24,400
So,
 

2411
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,910
So,
um I think that was a consideration, but

2412
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:27,920
um I think that was a consideration, but
 

2413
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,230
um I think that was a consideration, but
um yeah, uh they're very afraid of

2414
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:30,240
um yeah, uh they're very afraid of
 

2415
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:31,670
um yeah, uh they're very afraid of
Saber. So, um

2416
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:31,680
Saber. So, um
 

2417
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,950
Saber. So, um
>> I mean I understand that, but like yeah,

2418
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:34,960
>> I mean I understand that, but like yeah,
 

2419
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,950
>> I mean I understand that, but like yeah,
from the perspective of this person

2420
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:36,960
from the perspective of this person
 

2421
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,309
from the perspective of this person
violated them, of course they'd be

2422
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:38,319
violated them, of course they'd be
 

2423
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,230
violated them, of course they'd be
afraid, but they it could be just the

2424
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:40,240
afraid, but they it could be just the
 

2425
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,750
afraid, but they it could be just the
possibility they're afraid that like

2426
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:43,760
possibility they're afraid that like
 

2427
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,670
possibility they're afraid that like
maybe their story won't add up. You know

2428
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:45,680
maybe their story won't add up. You know
 

2429
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,309
maybe their story won't add up. You know
what I mean? Like it's it's a thing of

2430
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:48,319
what I mean? Like it's it's a thing of
 

2431
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:48,630
what I mean? Like it's it's a thing of
like

2432
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:48,640
like
 

2433
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,710
like
>> again that's something I probably should

2434
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:50,720
>> again that's something I probably should
 

2435
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,390
>> again that's something I probably should
have done. you're you're right.

2436
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:52,400
have done. you're you're right.
 

2437
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,750
have done. you're you're right.
>> But I mean, not that I like I said, it's

2438
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:55,760
>> But I mean, not that I like I said, it's
 

2439
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,270
>> But I mean, not that I like I said, it's
usually on the safer end to like at

2440
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:57,280
usually on the safer end to like at
 

2441
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,910
usually on the safer end to like at
least believe it cuz if you if you don't

2442
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:59,920
least believe it cuz if you if you don't
 

2443
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:00,790
least believe it cuz if you if you don't
believe it and you're like, "Nah, you're

2444
00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:00,800
believe it and you're like, "Nah, you're
 

2445
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,230
believe it and you're like, "Nah, you're
a lie. You're wrong." And you turn out

2446
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:02,240
a lie. You're wrong." And you turn out
 

2447
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,470
a lie. You're wrong." And you turn out
to be incorrect, then you just look like

2448
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:04,480
to be incorrect, then you just look like
 

2449
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,829
to be incorrect, then you just look like
an [\h__\h]

2450
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:05,839
an [\h__\h]
 

2451
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:08,069
an [\h__\h]
>> But at the But at the same time, it's

2452
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:08,079
>> But at the But at the same time, it's
 

2453
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:09,349
>> But at the But at the same time, it's
one of those things where if this

2454
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:09,359
one of those things where if this
 

2455
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:12,470
one of those things where if this
person's like lying to you about this,

2456
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:12,480
person's like lying to you about this,
 

2457
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,390
person's like lying to you about this,
it could set you up into some real deep

2458
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:14,400
it could set you up into some real deep
 

2459
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,589
it could set you up into some real deep
[\h__\h]

2460
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:15,599
[\h__\h]
 

2461
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:20,870
[\h__\h]
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I get that. But I, you

2462
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:20,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I get that. But I, you
 

2463
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,430
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I get that. But I, you
know, I I still believe the victim. So

2464
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:23,440
know, I I still believe the victim. So
 

2465
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,150
know, I I still believe the victim. So
>> I guess

2466
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:24,160
>> I guess
 

2467
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,069
>> I guess
>> um yeah, I'm not I'm I'm I'm very sure

2468
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:28,079
>> um yeah, I'm not I'm I'm I'm very sure
 

2469
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,549
>> um yeah, I'm not I'm I'm I'm very sure
it happened. I'm not 100% sure, but

2470
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:30,559
it happened. I'm not 100% sure, but
 

2471
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,069
it happened. I'm not 100% sure, but
based on you know,

2472
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:32,079
based on you know,
 

2473
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:35,030
based on you know,
>> you're not 100%.

2474
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:35,040
>> you're not 100%.
 

2475
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,710
>> you're not 100%.
>> Well, as in I don't have like there's

2476
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:36,720
>> Well, as in I don't have like there's
 

2477
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,990
>> Well, as in I don't have like there's
not like evidence of it, right?

2478
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:40,000
not like evidence of it, right?
 

2479
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,150
not like evidence of it, right?
>> Um kind of thing. But from everything

2480
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:44,160
>> Um kind of thing. But from everything
 

2481
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,950
>> Um kind of thing. But from everything
I've been told, his behavior matches,

2482
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:46,960
I've been told, his behavior matches,
 

2483
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,710
I've been told, his behavior matches,
you know, stuff I've been telling you,

2484
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:48,720
you know, stuff I've been telling you,
 

2485
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,430
you know, stuff I've been telling you,
it seems to make sense to me.

2486
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:51,440
it seems to make sense to me.
 

2487
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,390
it seems to make sense to me.
>> Okay. So, you just believe it on like a

2488
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:54,400
>> Okay. So, you just believe it on like a
 

2489
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,150
>> Okay. So, you just believe it on like a
personal experience level sort of thing.

2490
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:58,160
personal experience level sort of thing.
 

2491
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,030
personal experience level sort of thing.
>> Um

2492
00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:01,040
>> Um
 

2493
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,430
>> Um
the the fact that this wasn't that this

2494
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:03,440
the the fact that this wasn't that this
 

2495
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,630
the the fact that this wasn't that this
was something that was being talked

2496
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:04,640
was something that was being talked
 

2497
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,549
was something that was being talked
about a while ago. um on top of this, on

2498
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:08,559
about a while ago. um on top of this, on
 

2499
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:14,710
about a while ago. um on top of this, on
top of um the experiences matching. Um

2500
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:14,720
top of um the experiences matching. Um
 

2501
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,549
top of um the experiences matching. Um
yeah, I I guess those were the two

2502
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:16,559
yeah, I I guess those were the two
 

2503
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,510
yeah, I I guess those were the two
things cuz I didn't really, at least

2504
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:19,520
things cuz I didn't really, at least
 

2505
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,030
things cuz I didn't really, at least
from what I remember, I don't think I

2506
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:21,040
from what I remember, I don't think I
 

2507
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,190
from what I remember, I don't think I
really talked to um the victim much

2508
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:25,200
really talked to um the victim much
 

2509
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,950
really talked to um the victim much
until

2510
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:26,960
until
 

2511
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,630
until
like they wanted to tell me the story.

2512
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:28,640
like they wanted to tell me the story.
 

2513
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,589
like they wanted to tell me the story.
And um I helped her. I to be clear about

2514
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:31,599
And um I helped her. I to be clear about
 

2515
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,430
And um I helped her. I to be clear about
this because this is this will be a big

2516
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:33,440
this because this is this will be a big
 

2517
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,630
this because this is this will be a big
thing. Um, I did give her tips on her

2518
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:36,640
thing. Um, I did give her tips on her
 

2519
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,870
thing. Um, I did give her tips on her
testimony. I did not write it. I just

2520
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:38,880
testimony. I did not write it. I just
 

2521
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,190
testimony. I did not write it. I just
provided some feedback. Very little

2522
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:41,200
provided some feedback. Very little
 

2523
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:47,510
provided some feedback. Very little
feedback. Um, and formatting. Um, so, so

2524
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:47,520
feedback. Um, and formatting. Um, so, so
 

2525
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,790
feedback. Um, and formatting. Um, so, so
it wasn't like one of those things where

2526
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:48,800
it wasn't like one of those things where
 

2527
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,549
it wasn't like one of those things where
you wrote it for her or anything.

2528
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:50,559
you wrote it for her or anything.
 

2529
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:53,670
you wrote it for her or anything.
>> No. No. I don't like you like I may be

2530
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:53,680
>> No. No. I don't like you like I may be
 

2531
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,349
>> No. No. I don't like you like I may be
like, it seems like I may be stupid

2532
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:55,359
like, it seems like I may be stupid
 

2533
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:56,950
like, it seems like I may be stupid
based on everything that's happening,

2534
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:56,960
based on everything that's happening,
 

2535
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,270
based on everything that's happening,
but I'm not That's one stupid thing I

2536
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:59,280
but I'm not That's one stupid thing I
 

2537
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,309
but I'm not That's one stupid thing I
didn't do.

2538
00:52:00,309 --> 00:52:00,319
didn't do.
 

2539
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:02,230
didn't do.
>> Right. Like you're not outwardly

2540
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:02,240
>> Right. Like you're not outwardly
 

2541
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,230
>> Right. Like you're not outwardly
malicious. You're just kind of I I feel

2542
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:06,240
malicious. You're just kind of I I feel
 

2543
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,549
malicious. You're just kind of I I feel
like because you're so interconnected

2544
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:08,559
like because you're so interconnected
 

2545
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,589
like because you're so interconnected
into all of this that and forgive me, I

2546
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:11,599
into all of this that and forgive me, I
 

2547
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:12,870
into all of this that and forgive me, I
don't want to make any assumptions of

2548
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:12,880
don't want to make any assumptions of
 

2549
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,309
don't want to make any assumptions of
your character, but this is just what it

2550
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:14,319
your character, but this is just what it
 

2551
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:17,430
your character, but this is just what it
comes across to me that because of how

2552
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:17,440
comes across to me that because of how
 

2553
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,510
comes across to me that because of how
interconnected you are with Saber and

2554
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:19,520
interconnected you are with Saber and
 

2555
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,190
interconnected you are with Saber and
then getting this information from the

2556
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:21,200
then getting this information from the
 

2557
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,910
then getting this information from the
victim, it kind of was more of like a

2558
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:23,920
victim, it kind of was more of like a
 

2559
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,870
victim, it kind of was more of like a
val Did it feel like validating for you

2560
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:26,880
val Did it feel like validating for you
 

2561
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,069
val Did it feel like validating for you
to know that like this person who you

2562
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:30,079
to know that like this person who you
 

2563
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,630
to know that like this person who you
already didn't have good feelings about

2564
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:32,640
already didn't have good feelings about
 

2565
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,109
already didn't have good feelings about
was now suddenly like slapped with

2566
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:35,119
was now suddenly like slapped with
 

2567
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,349
was now suddenly like slapped with
something that is like objectively you

2568
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:37,359
something that is like objectively you
 

2569
00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:38,710
something that is like objectively you
can be like, "Okay, this is a good

2570
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:38,720
can be like, "Okay, this is a good
 

2571
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,230
can be like, "Okay, this is a good
reason for me not to [\h__\h] like this

2572
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:40,240
reason for me not to [\h__\h] like this
 

2573
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,829
reason for me not to [\h__\h] like this
guy." You know what I mean?

2574
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:41,839
guy." You know what I mean?
 

2575
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:45,270
guy." You know what I mean?
>> Um

2576
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:45,280

 

2577
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,470

I guess I mean it was the the experience

2578
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:48,480
I guess I mean it was the the experience
 

2579
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,910
I guess I mean it was the the experience
of talking to the victim the first time

2580
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:49,920
of talking to the victim the first time
 

2581
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,230
of talking to the victim the first time
was more of like,

2582
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:52,240
was more of like,
 

2583
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,790
was more of like,
you know, oh, someone else real like

2584
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:54,800
you know, oh, someone else real like
 

2585
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,309
you know, oh, someone else real like
understands

2586
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:56,319
understands
 

2587
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,630
understands
um what we've gone through because we

2588
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:58,640
um what we've gone through because we
 

2589
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,390
um what we've gone through because we
both had like those kind of experiences

2590
00:53:00,390 --> 00:53:00,400
both had like those kind of experiences
 

2591
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,790
both had like those kind of experiences
with him. But it was also like really

2592
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:02,800
with him. But it was also like really
 

2593
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,190
with him. But it was also like really
emotionally draining. Like I had no idea

2594
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:05,200
emotionally draining. Like I had no idea
 

2595
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,589
emotionally draining. Like I had no idea
like it got it was going to get this bad

2596
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:07,599
like it got it was going to get this bad
 

2597
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,190
like it got it was going to get this bad
as far as

2598
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:09,200
as far as
 

2599
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,510
as far as
>> you know you know like I said before all

2600
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:11,520
>> you know you know like I said before all
 

2601
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,910
>> you know you know like I said before all
this the most I thought is Saber just

2602
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:13,920
this the most I thought is Saber just
 

2603
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,390
this the most I thought is Saber just
kind of wasn't thinking about how his

2604
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:16,400
kind of wasn't thinking about how his
 

2605
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,190
kind of wasn't thinking about how his
actions or lack of actions um had any

2606
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:19,200
actions or lack of actions um had any
 

2607
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,190
actions or lack of actions um had any
long-term consequences.

2608
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:21,200
long-term consequences.
 

2609
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,390
long-term consequences.
>> So um you know like that's not a crime.

2610
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:24,400
>> So um you know like that's not a crime.
 

2611
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,870
>> So um you know like that's not a crime.
That's just kind of like you know not

2612
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:26,880
That's just kind of like you know not
 

2613
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,829
That's just kind of like you know not
putting things in priority correctly. So

2614
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:29,839
putting things in priority correctly. So
 

2615
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,270
putting things in priority correctly. So
>> Right. Yeah. And like we already

2616
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:31,280
>> Right. Yeah. And like we already
 

2617
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,870
>> Right. Yeah. And like we already
mentioned, like before you even talked

2618
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:32,880
mentioned, like before you even talked
 

2619
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,470
mentioned, like before you even talked
to this victim, the most like when you

2620
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:34,480
to this victim, the most like when you
 

2621
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,430
to this victim, the most like when you
were going through this video and

2622
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:35,440
were going through this video and
 

2623
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,510
were going through this video and
talking about DA game specifically, like

2624
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:37,520
talking about DA game specifically, like
 

2625
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,349
talking about DA game specifically, like
the most you had at that moment really

2626
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:39,359
the most you had at that moment really
 

2627
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:40,950
the most you had at that moment really
was just like Saber Spark's just kind of

2628
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:40,960
was just like Saber Spark's just kind of
 

2629
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,470
was just like Saber Spark's just kind of
an [\h__\h]

2630
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:42,480
an [\h__\h]
 

2631
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,990
an [\h__\h]
>> Right. Right. And actually um how I even

2632
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:46,000
>> Right. Right. And actually um how I even
 

2633
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,549
>> Right. Right. And actually um how I even
>> Victor was um

2634
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:48,559
>> Victor was um
 

2635
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,870
>> Victor was um
>> You're breaking out one more time. Um

2636
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:50,880
>> You're breaking out one more time. Um
 

2637
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,630
>> You're breaking out one more time. Um
you didn't say anything important. You

2638
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:52,640
you didn't say anything important. You
 

2639
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,150
you didn't say anything important. You
were just talking.

2640
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:54,160
were just talking.
 

2641
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,589
were just talking.
>> Yeah, it's it's all good.

2642
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:55,599
>> Yeah, it's it's all good.
 

2643
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,430
>> Yeah, it's it's all good.
>> Okay, you should be fine.

2644
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:57,440
>> Okay, you should be fine.
 

2645
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,150
>> Okay, you should be fine.
>> Okay. Um, what I was saying is, um, how

2646
00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:00,160
>> Okay. Um, what I was saying is, um, how
 

2647
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,829
>> Okay. Um, what I was saying is, um, how
I got in contact with the victim

2648
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:01,839
I got in contact with the victim
 

2649
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,790
I got in contact with the victim
originally is that, um, um, Brony Fan

2650
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:06,800
originally is that, um, um, Brony Fan
 

2651
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,030
originally is that, um, um, Brony Fan
dot was in my server for because we had

2652
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:09,040
dot was in my server for because we had
 

2653
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,670
dot was in my server for because we had
a, we have a or we did we condensed them

2654
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:11,680
a, we have a or we did we condensed them
 

2655
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,270
a, we have a or we did we condensed them
recently, but we had a support session

2656
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:13,280
recently, but we had a support session
 

2657
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,710
recently, but we had a support session
for section for Gabe fans, like so Gabe

2658
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:16,720
for section for Gabe fans, like so Gabe
 

2659
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,470
for section for Gabe fans, like so Gabe
fans could have a place just to kind of

2660
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:18,480
fans could have a place just to kind of
 

2661
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,150
fans could have a place just to kind of
process things, right?

2662
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:20,160
process things, right?
 

2663
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,190
process things, right?
>> Um, I was I would I wasn't really too

2664
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:23,200
>> Um, I was I would I wasn't really too
 

2665
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,270
>> Um, I was I would I wasn't really too
close with Gabe, but um, I get why

2666
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:25,280
close with Gabe, but um, I get why
 

2667
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,630
close with Gabe, but um, I get why
people were really upset, obviously. Um,

2668
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:28,640
people were really upset, obviously. Um,
 

2669
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,670
people were really upset, obviously. Um,
and I was talking I ended up talking in

2670
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:31,680
and I was talking I ended up talking in
 

2671
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,150
and I was talking I ended up talking in
the video or about the video in a voice

2672
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:34,160
the video or about the video in a voice
 

2673
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,390
the video or about the video in a voice
chat concerning the Gabe stuff and

2674
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:36,400
chat concerning the Gabe stuff and
 

2675
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,589
chat concerning the Gabe stuff and
Brunie Fand dot was there and um, he

2676
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:39,599
Brunie Fand dot was there and um, he
 

2677
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,430
Brunie Fand dot was there and um, he
thought it was interesting because I

2678
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:41,440
thought it was interesting because I
 

2679
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,349
thought it was interesting because I
assume at that point he was aware of the

2680
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:43,359
assume at that point he was aware of the
 

2681
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:50,390
assume at that point he was aware of the
the testimony. So, um he told um

2682
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:50,400
the testimony. So, um he told um
 

2683
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,589
the testimony. So, um he told um
Amy, the person on Twitter, um that I

2684
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:53,599
Amy, the person on Twitter, um that I
 

2685
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,670
Amy, the person on Twitter, um that I
was doing this and then Amy helped me

2686
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:55,680
was doing this and then Amy helped me
 

2687
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,430
was doing this and then Amy helped me
get in touch with the victim.

2688
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:57,440
get in touch with the victim.
 

2689
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,430
get in touch with the victim.
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, you got in touch with

2690
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:59,440
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, you got in touch with
 

2691
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,030
>> Gotcha. Okay. So, you got in touch with
the victim through Amy, not really

2692
00:55:01,030 --> 00:55:01,040
the victim through Amy, not really
 

2693
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,349
the victim through Amy, not really
through pony fand or brony fan don't.

2694
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:03,359
through pony fand or brony fan don't.
 

2695
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:05,190
through pony fand or brony fan don't.
>> I was made aware of it through pony

2696
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:05,200
>> I was made aware of it through pony
 

2697
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,030
>> I was made aware of it through pony
fandote, but but yeah,

2698
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:07,040
fandote, but but yeah,
 

2699
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,829
fandote, but but yeah,
>> but you went to Amy to get in contact.

2700
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:09,839
>> but you went to Amy to get in contact.
 

2701
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,109
>> but you went to Amy to get in contact.
>> Amy went to me.

2702
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:11,119
>> Amy went to me.
 

2703
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:15,030
>> Amy went to me.
>> Oh, okay. because um um I guess Brony

2704
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:15,040
>> Oh, okay. because um um I guess Brony
 

2705
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,030
>> Oh, okay. because um um I guess Brony
Fand do probably told her I was working

2706
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:17,040
Fand do probably told her I was working
 

2707
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,150
Fand do probably told her I was working
on this and it's like it just kind of

2708
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:20,160
on this and it's like it just kind of
 

2709
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,710
on this and it's like it just kind of
seemed like

2710
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:22,720
seemed like
 

2711
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,790
seemed like
um it would be something to include in

2712
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:24,800
um it would be something to include in
 

2713
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,630
um it would be something to include in
the video, you know, without like

2714
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:26,640
the video, you know, without like
 

2715
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,230
the video, you know, without like
obviously tone tone tonal hindsights are

2716
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:30,240
obviously tone tone tonal hindsights are
 

2717
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,309
obviously tone tone tonal hindsights are
a thing, but

2718
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:32,319
a thing, but
 

2719
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,950
a thing, but
um yeah, so it was already like, oh,

2720
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:34,960
um yeah, so it was already like, oh,
 

2721
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,109
um yeah, so it was already like, oh,
she's she's doing it anyway. We might as

2722
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:37,119
she's she's doing it anyway. We might as
 

2723
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:40,390
she's she's doing it anyway. We might as
well connect them. So, this is another

2724
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:40,400
well connect them. So, this is another
 

2725
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,230
well connect them. So, this is another
thing that can be shared in this video

2726
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:42,240
thing that can be shared in this video
 

2727
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,349
thing that can be shared in this video
kind of thing,

2728
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:43,359
kind of thing,
 

2729
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:45,430
kind of thing,
>> right? I guess what I'm confused by is

2730
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:45,440
>> right? I guess what I'm confused by is
 

2731
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,430
>> right? I guess what I'm confused by is
if your main focus for that video was

2732
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:47,440
if your main focus for that video was
 

2733
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,829
if your main focus for that video was
supposed to be on DA Games, um, and

2734
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:49,839
supposed to be on DA Games, um, and
 

2735
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,829
supposed to be on DA Games, um, and
Sabers Spark was only just a small part

2736
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:51,839
Sabers Spark was only just a small part
 

2737
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:54,390
Sabers Spark was only just a small part
of it. Was when you were telling these

2738
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:54,400
of it. Was when you were telling these
 

2739
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,670
of it. Was when you were telling these
people about this video you were working

2740
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:55,680
people about this video you were working
 

2741
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,349
people about this video you were working
on, was Sabers Spark something that you

2742
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:57,359
on, was Sabers Spark something that you
 

2743
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:58,950
on, was Sabers Spark something that you
briefly mentioned and that's what got

2744
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:58,960
briefly mentioned and that's what got
 

2745
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,390
briefly mentioned and that's what got
them to be like, "Oh, by the way," or is

2746
00:56:00,390 --> 00:56:00,400
them to be like, "Oh, by the way," or is
 

2747
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,990
them to be like, "Oh, by the way," or is
it more just like, "This is just about

2748
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:02,000
it more just like, "This is just about
 

2749
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,069
it more just like, "This is just about
DA Games." And they knew that.

2750
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:04,079
DA Games." And they knew that.
 

2751
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:05,670
DA Games." And they knew that.
>> Yeah, at that point. So, this was like

2752
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:05,680
>> Yeah, at that point. So, this was like
 

2753
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,390
>> Yeah, at that point. So, this was like
shortly before I talked to the victim.

2754
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:08,400
shortly before I talked to the victim.
 

2755
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,150
shortly before I talked to the victim.
Um it it was Saber had done the things

2756
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:12,160
Um it it was Saber had done the things
 

2757
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:17,349
Um it it was Saber had done the things
where he the Twitter thread and um you

2758
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:17,359
where he the Twitter thread and um you
 

2759
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:20,309
where he the Twitter thread and um you
know um I think the emails at this

2760
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:20,319
know um I think the emails at this
 

2761
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:21,990
know um I think the emails at this
point. Yeah. So

2762
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:22,000
point. Yeah. So
 

2763
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,390
point. Yeah. So
>> okay.

2764
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:22,400
>> okay.
 

2765
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,510
>> okay.
>> Um the reason like so part of the reason

2766
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:25,520
>> Um the reason like so part of the reason
 

2767
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,069
>> Um the reason like so part of the reason
this video took so long is because it

2768
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:28,079
this video took so long is because it
 

2769
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,150
this video took so long is because it
was originally just going to be about

2770
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:30,160
was originally just going to be about
 

2771
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,990
was originally just going to be about
Chris and DA Games until Sabre kind of

2772
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:34,000
Chris and DA Games until Sabre kind of
 

2773
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,349
Chris and DA Games until Sabre kind of
made the situation more complicated. Um,

2774
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:37,359
made the situation more complicated. Um,
 

2775
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:39,030
made the situation more complicated. Um,
and then it got more complicated with

2776
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:39,040
and then it got more complicated with
 

2777
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,069
and then it got more complicated with
the victim.

2778
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:40,079
the victim.
 

2779
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,510
the victim.
>> Mhm. So,

2780
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:41,520
>> Mhm. So,
 

2781
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,030
>> Mhm. So,
>> Oh, and just for the record, Oh, go

2782
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:43,040
>> Oh, and just for the record, Oh, go
 

2783
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:43,750
>> Oh, and just for the record, Oh, go
ahead.

2784
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:43,760
ahead.
 

2785
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,349
ahead.
>> Oh, you can just finish up your thought

2786
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:45,359
>> Oh, you can just finish up your thought
 

2787
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:46,950
>> Oh, you can just finish up your thought
there because I I think I was going to

2788
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:46,960
there because I I think I was going to
 

2789
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,230
there because I I think I was going to
redirect, but

2790
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:48,240
redirect, but
 

2791
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,270
redirect, but
>> Okay. Um, just for the record, um, the

2792
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:51,280
>> Okay. Um, just for the record, um, the
 

2793
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,589
>> Okay. Um, just for the record, um, the
first thing we did is try to get the

2794
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:53,599
first thing we did is try to get the
 

2795
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,910
first thing we did is try to get the
victim to um go to the police. Um, but

2796
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:57,920
victim to um go to the police. Um, but
 

2797
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,870
victim to um go to the police. Um, but
they we looked into it. They called the

2798
00:57:00,870 --> 00:57:00,880
they we looked into it. They called the
 

2799
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,109
they we looked into it. They called the
the the local station. And um what we

2800
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:05,119
the the local station. And um what we
 

2801
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:09,270
the the local station. And um what we
learned is since Saber is the one being

2802
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:09,280
learned is since Saber is the one being
 

2803
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,510
learned is since Saber is the one being
um not convicted, but like accused of

2804
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:13,520
um not convicted, but like accused of
 

2805
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,390
um not convicted, but like accused of
this thing, he could call the police

2806
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:16,400
this thing, he could call the police
 

2807
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,470
this thing, he could call the police
station, pay a fee, and have access to

2808
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:18,480
station, pay a fee, and have access to
 

2809
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,470
station, pay a fee, and have access to
the report, and the report would have

2810
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:20,480
the report, and the report would have
 

2811
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,630
the report, and the report would have
the victim's home address. So she,

2812
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:22,640
the victim's home address. So she,
 

2813
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,990
the victim's home address. So she,
excuse me, they were afraid that um

2814
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:26,000
excuse me, they were afraid that um
 

2815
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,270
excuse me, they were afraid that um
Saber would dox them because of that.

2816
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:29,280
Saber would dox them because of that.
 

2817
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,349
Saber would dox them because of that.
Okay. I've never heard of that before. I

2818
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:31,359
Okay. I've never heard of that before. I
 

2819
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:34,230
Okay. I've never heard of that before. I
didn't know that was a thing. So before,

2820
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:34,240
didn't know that was a thing. So before,
 

2821
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,990
didn't know that was a thing. So before,
like when you were speaking to the

2822
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:36,000
like when you were speaking to the
 

2823
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,309
like when you were speaking to the
victim about this, right? Like when this

2824
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:38,319
victim about this, right? Like when this
 

2825
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,069
victim about this, right? Like when this
initially happened back in 2012, did

2826
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:40,079
initially happened back in 2012, did
 

2827
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,750
initially happened back in 2012, did
they ever make a police report then or

2828
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:41,760
they ever make a police report then or
 

2829
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,470
they ever make a police report then or
was there was this when you uh first

2830
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:44,480
was there was this when you uh first
 

2831
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,150
was there was this when you uh first
talked to them the first time they tried

2832
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:46,160
talked to them the first time they tried
 

2833
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,309
talked to them the first time they tried
to make a police report?

2834
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:48,319
to make a police report?
 

2835
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:51,430
to make a police report?
>> Um I'm not aware that they tried to make

2836
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:51,440
>> Um I'm not aware that they tried to make
 

2837
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,150
>> Um I'm not aware that they tried to make
a police report at the time it happened.

2838
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:54,160
a police report at the time it happened.
 

2839
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,829
a police report at the time it happened.
Um,

2840
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:55,839
Um,
 

2841
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,750
Um,
>> did you ever ask or

2842
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:57,760
>> did you ever ask or
 

2843
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,670
>> did you ever ask or
>> I didn't I didn't think to ask. I just

2844
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:59,680
>> I didn't I didn't think to ask. I just
 

2845
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,109
>> I didn't I didn't think to ask. I just
thought like this is something we need

2846
00:58:01,109 --> 00:58:01,119
thought like this is something we need
 

2847
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,589
thought like this is something we need
to cover our bases on because we know as

2848
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:03,599
to cover our bases on because we know as
 

2849
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,030
to cover our bases on because we know as
soon as we release this people are going

2850
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:05,040
soon as we release this people are going
 

2851
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,030
soon as we release this people are going
to like oh go to the police and then we

2852
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:07,040
to like oh go to the police and then we
 

2853
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,190
to like oh go to the police and then we
can say well you know we tried but that

2854
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:09,200
can say well you know we tried but that
 

2855
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,870
can say well you know we tried but that
wasn't a route that the victim wanted to

2856
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:10,880
wasn't a route that the victim wanted to
 

2857
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,670
wasn't a route that the victim wanted to
take. So, um, but my also read on their

2858
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:15,680
take. So, um, but my also read on their
 

2859
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,349
take. So, um, but my also read on their
personality is they're a little bit, you

2860
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:17,359
personality is they're a little bit, you
 

2861
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,030
personality is they're a little bit, you
know,

2862
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:19,040
know,
 

2863
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,789
know,
kind of

2864
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:20,799
kind of
 

2865
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:23,430
kind of
we'll just kind of

2866
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:23,440
we'll just kind of
 

2867
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,270
we'll just kind of
um don't like don't want to cause any

2868
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:25,280
um don't like don't want to cause any
 

2869
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,030
um don't like don't want to cause any
trouble kind of vibes.

2870
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:27,040
trouble kind of vibes.
 

2871
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,150
trouble kind of vibes.
>> So, I would I would guess is that they

2872
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:30,160
>> So, I would I would guess is that they
 

2873
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,670
>> So, I would I would guess is that they
didn't want to do that because they

2874
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:31,680
didn't want to do that because they
 

2875
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,510
didn't want to do that because they
didn't want to rock the boat. And um at

2876
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:35,520
didn't want to rock the boat. And um at
 

2877
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,270
didn't want to rock the boat. And um at
least from the the bit about the first

2878
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:37,280
least from the the bit about the first
 

2879
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,630
least from the the bit about the first
testimony, it looks like they didn't

2880
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:38,640
testimony, it looks like they didn't
 

2881
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,390
testimony, it looks like they didn't
have a lot of friends at that con. So,

2882
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:42,400
have a lot of friends at that con. So,
 

2883
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,069
have a lot of friends at that con. So,
you know, they were afraid something

2884
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:44,079
you know, they were afraid something
 

2885
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,549
you know, they were afraid something
might happen, which, you know,

2886
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:46,559
might happen, which, you know,
 

2887
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,390
might happen, which, you know,
>> I mean, I get that. Yeah, I get that.

2888
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:48,400
>> I mean, I get that. Yeah, I get that.
 

2889
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,030
>> I mean, I get that. Yeah, I get that.
There's,

2890
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:49,040
There's,
 

2891
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,710
There's,
>> like I said, I already went on a whole

2892
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:50,720
>> like I said, I already went on a whole
 

2893
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,109
>> like I said, I already went on a whole
rant at least with my Black Griffin

2894
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:53,119
rant at least with my Black Griffin
 

2895
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,589
rant at least with my Black Griffin
stuff about how like why people won't

2896
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:55,599
stuff about how like why people won't
 

2897
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,270
stuff about how like why people won't
come forward. I mean, there's it's just

2898
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:57,280
come forward. I mean, there's it's just
 

2899
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,950
come forward. I mean, there's it's just
an objective uphill battle no matter

2900
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:58,960
an objective uphill battle no matter
 

2901
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,390
an objective uphill battle no matter
what, especially when it comes to stuff

2902
00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:00,400
what, especially when it comes to stuff
 

2903
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,510
what, especially when it comes to stuff
like this. But,

2904
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:01,520
like this. But,
 

2905
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,470
like this. But,
>> right.

2906
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:02,480
>> right.
 

2907
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,150
>> right.
>> So, when it just cuz I'm curious cuz I

2908
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:06,160
>> So, when it just cuz I'm curious cuz I
 

2909
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,430
>> So, when it just cuz I'm curious cuz I
didn't make the Black Griffin video

2910
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:07,440
didn't make the Black Griffin video
 

2911
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,870
didn't make the Black Griffin video
because you were looking into it or

2912
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:08,880
because you were looking into it or
 

2913
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,470
because you were looking into it or
anything. I just made it cuz I I thought

2914
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:10,480
anything. I just made it cuz I I thought
 

2915
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,829
anything. I just made it cuz I I thought
the story was kind of [\h__\h] wild. Um,

2916
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:13,839
the story was kind of [\h__\h] wild. Um,
 

2917
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,309
the story was kind of [\h__\h] wild. Um,
but I know that there was whispers of it

2918
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:16,319
but I know that there was whispers of it
 

2919
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:18,390
but I know that there was whispers of it
like Finn mentioned it to me like back

2920
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:18,400
like Finn mentioned it to me like back
 

2921
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,230
like Finn mentioned it to me like back
when I was working on my Star Giant

2922
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:20,240
when I was working on my Star Giant
 

2923
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,390
when I was working on my Star Giant
video, but back then the whole mega do

2924
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:22,400
video, but back then the whole mega do
 

2925
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,950
video, but back then the whole mega do
that came out by uh Fandome didn't exist

2926
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:24,960
that came out by uh Fandome didn't exist
 

2927
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,109
that came out by uh Fandome didn't exist
at that point. Um, so like how long

2928
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:29,119
at that point. Um, so like how long
 

2929
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,829
at that point. Um, so like how long
would you say that you were like

2930
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:31,839
would you say that you were like
 

2931
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,109
would you say that you were like
collecting or like talking about

2932
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:35,119
collecting or like talking about
 

2933
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,990
collecting or like talking about
the whole Black Griffin thing?

2934
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:38,000
the whole Black Griffin thing?
 

2935
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,349
the whole Black Griffin thing?
Um

2936
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:43,359

 

2937
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:48,789

um this was after um Destiny, the first

2938
00:59:48,789 --> 00:59:48,799
um this was after um Destiny, the first
 

2939
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:52,150
um this was after um Destiny, the first
victim, spoke out and a little bit

2940
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:52,160
victim, spoke out and a little bit
 

2941
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,910
victim, spoke out and a little bit
before the second victim that had the

2942
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:53,920
before the second victim that had the
 

2943
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,589
before the second victim that had the
log spoke out. So that was something

2944
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:55,599
log spoke out. So that was something
 

2945
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,430
log spoke out. So that was something
that Courtney had to add her to her

2946
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:57,440
that Courtney had to add her to her
 

2947
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,230
that Courtney had to add her to her
video like after it cuz I was like,

2948
01:00:00,230 --> 01:00:00,240
video like after it cuz I was like,
 

2949
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,750
video like after it cuz I was like,
"Hey, this came out." And she's like,

2950
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:01,760
"Hey, this came out." And she's like,
 

2951
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,789
"Hey, this came out." And she's like,
"Oh, I should add that." Um,

2952
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:04,799
"Oh, I should add that." Um,
 

2953
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:09,109
"Oh, I should add that." Um,
so like I just was on Twitter and I

2954
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:09,119
so like I just was on Twitter and I
 

2955
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,670
so like I just was on Twitter and I
believed what happened to her and I

2956
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:11,680
believed what happened to her and I
 

2957
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,710
believed what happened to her and I
wanted to to be vocal and show show

2958
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:14,720
wanted to to be vocal and show show
 

2959
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:15,910
wanted to to be vocal and show show
support.

2960
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:15,920
support.
 

2961
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,789
support.
>> Um, yeah. So that is why in the in that

2962
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:18,799
>> Um, yeah. So that is why in the in that
 

2963
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:21,750
>> Um, yeah. So that is why in the in that
interview I say like um, you know, I was

2964
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:21,760
interview I say like um, you know, I was
 

2965
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,270
interview I say like um, you know, I was
busy with this this cluster [\h__\h] but

2966
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:25,280
busy with this this cluster [\h__\h] but
 

2967
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,950
busy with this this cluster [\h__\h] but
Courtney this is right up Courtney's

2968
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:26,960
Courtney this is right up Courtney's
 

2969
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,549
Courtney this is right up Courtney's
alley to cover if she was interested in

2970
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:28,559
alley to cover if she was interested in
 

2971
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,789
alley to cover if she was interested in
covering it and she was and she did. Did

2972
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:30,799
covering it and she was and she did. Did
 

2973
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:32,630
covering it and she was and she did. Did
you introduce Courtney to the whole

2974
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:32,640
you introduce Courtney to the whole
 

2975
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,230
you introduce Courtney to the whole
situation or was this something that

2976
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:34,240
situation or was this something that
 

2977
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,430
situation or was this something that
Okay. So, how long have you I mean I

2978
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:37,440
Okay. So, how long have you I mean I
 

2979
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,349
Okay. So, how long have you I mean I
guess you've known about this vaguely

2980
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:39,359
guess you've known about this vaguely
 

2981
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,030
guess you've known about this vaguely
because like like you said in the

2982
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:41,040
because like like you said in the
 

2983
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,990
because like like you said in the
interview with Courtney um you know you

2984
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:44,000
interview with Courtney um you know you
 

2985
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,750
interview with Courtney um you know you
were in the same circles as Gabe and

2986
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:45,760
were in the same circles as Gabe and
 

2987
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,309
were in the same circles as Gabe and
everything. Um were you aware that like

2988
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:48,319
everything. Um were you aware that like
 

2989
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:51,829
everything. Um were you aware that like
Saber Spark and Gabe were like friends?

2990
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:51,839
Saber Spark and Gabe were like friends?
 

2991
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:54,230
Saber Spark and Gabe were like friends?
Um

2992
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:54,240
Um
 

2993
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,549
Um
yes, but Saber and Race were closer

2994
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:58,559
yes, but Saber and Race were closer
 

2995
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,069
yes, but Saber and Race were closer
friends.

2996
01:01:00,069 --> 01:01:00,079
friends.
 

2997
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,309
friends.
So, um, like

2998
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:04,319
So, um, like
 

2999
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:06,870
So, um, like
it didn't really seem like I'm surprised

3000
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:06,880
it didn't really seem like I'm surprised
 

3001
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,630
it didn't really seem like I'm surprised
that

3002
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:08,640
that
 

3003
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,309
that
they were groomsmen at the wedding. I

3004
01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:10,319
they were groomsmen at the wedding. I
 

3005
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:11,510
they were groomsmen at the wedding. I
guess put it that way. I didn't think

3006
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:11,520
guess put it that way. I didn't think
 

3007
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,870
guess put it that way. I didn't think
they were that close.

3008
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:12,880
they were that close.
 

3009
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,150
they were that close.
>> Oh, gotcha. All right. So, it was kind

3010
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:16,160
>> Oh, gotcha. All right. So, it was kind
 

3011
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,670
>> Oh, gotcha. All right. So, it was kind
of surprising to you that Saber would

3012
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:17,680
of surprising to you that Saber would
 

3013
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:18,950
of surprising to you that Saber would
even say something about it at all cuz

3014
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:18,960
even say something about it at all cuz
 

3015
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,150
even say something about it at all cuz
you didn't think they were really that

3016
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:20,160
you didn't think they were really that
 

3017
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,589
you didn't think they were really that
close.

3018
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:21,599
close.
 

3019
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:24,309
close.
>> Um, can you rephrase that? Like say

3020
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:24,319
>> Um, can you rephrase that? Like say
 

3021
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:25,990
>> Um, can you rephrase that? Like say
something about what? Oh, about

3022
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:26,000
something about what? Oh, about
 

3023
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,030
something about what? Oh, about
>> what what I'm saying is that Saber Spark

3024
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:29,040
>> what what I'm saying is that Saber Spark
 

3025
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,270
>> what what I'm saying is that Saber Spark
even coming to Gabe's defense is

3026
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:31,280
even coming to Gabe's defense is
 

3027
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,789
even coming to Gabe's defense is
probably a surprise to you cuz you

3028
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:32,799
probably a surprise to you cuz you
 

3029
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:34,230
probably a surprise to you cuz you
didn't think that Saber and him were all

3030
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:34,240
didn't think that Saber and him were all
 

3031
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,990
didn't think that Saber and him were all
that close.

3032
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:36,000
that close.
 

3033
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,109
that close.
>> Um,

3034
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:39,119

 

3035
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:41,430

yeah. I mean, I could see it, but I

3036
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:41,440
yeah. I mean, I could see it, but I
 

3037
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,030
yeah. I mean, I could see it, but I
didn't think, you know, they weren't

3038
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:43,040
didn't think, you know, they weren't
 

3039
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,309
didn't think, you know, they weren't
like best friends like like Saber and AC

3040
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:46,319
like best friends like like Saber and AC
 

3041
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,390
like best friends like like Saber and AC
Reese have kissed before on stage or

3042
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:48,400
Reese have kissed before on stage or
 

3043
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,150
Reese have kissed before on stage or
something like that. Um, so

3044
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:52,160
something like that. Um, so
 

3045
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,230
something like that. Um, so
you know, not like So that's my level of

3046
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:54,240
you know, not like So that's my level of
 

3047
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,670
you know, not like So that's my level of
judgment right there. So I think he was

3048
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:57,680
judgment right there. So I think he was
 

3049
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,870
judgment right there. So I think he was
just exposed to it a lot because um, you

3050
01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:00,880
just exposed to it a lot because um, you
 

3051
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,190
just exposed to it a lot because um, you
know, I imagine maybe he talked to

3052
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:03,200
know, I imagine maybe he talked to
 

3053
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,430
know, I imagine maybe he talked to
Claire at some point and he sympathized

3054
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:05,440
Claire at some point and he sympathized
 

3055
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,309
Claire at some point and he sympathized
with Claire. Um,

3056
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:08,319
with Claire. Um,
 

3057
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,630
with Claire. Um,
I don't know what I I don't know what

3058
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:10,640
I don't know what I I don't know what
 

3059
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,309
I don't know what I I don't know what
Saber's um, past is besides his parents

3060
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:14,319
Saber's um, past is besides his parents
 

3061
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:17,430
Saber's um, past is besides his parents
got divorced at one point. So um, he's

3062
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:17,440
got divorced at one point. So um, he's
 

3063
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,950
got divorced at one point. So um, he's
alluded to stuff. I don't know. know

3064
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:18,960
alluded to stuff. I don't know. know
 

3065
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,789
alluded to stuff. I don't know. know
that's not my business. But um you know

3066
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:22,799
that's not my business. But um you know
 

3067
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:27,510
that's not my business. But um you know
I guess I think I would

3068
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:27,520

 

3069
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,270

I don't know to be honest. I don't know

3070
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:29,280
I don't know to be honest. I don't know
 

3071
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,789
I don't know to be honest. I don't know
how close they are. I guess they were

3072
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:30,799
how close they are. I guess they were
 

3073
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:32,950
how close they are. I guess they were
closer than than I thought though,

3074
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:32,960
closer than than I thought though,
 

3075
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,030
closer than than I thought though,
>> right? Was there like basic this is just

3076
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:37,040
>> right? Was there like basic this is just
 

3077
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,750
>> right? Was there like basic this is just
you can make an assumption, right? cuz I

3078
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:39,760
you can make an assumption, right? cuz I
 

3079
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,270
you can make an assumption, right? cuz I
I know that you're only really close

3080
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:41,280
I know that you're only really close
 

3081
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,789
I know that you're only really close
with Sabre and not with Black Griffin,

3082
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:42,799
with Sabre and not with Black Griffin,
 

3083
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,470
with Sabre and not with Black Griffin,
but knowing that like Saber went to that

3084
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:46,480
but knowing that like Saber went to that
 

3085
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,630
but knowing that like Saber went to that
wedding, do you think that it was

3086
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:48,640
wedding, do you think that it was
 

3087
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,030
wedding, do you think that it was
possible that around the time that Gabe

3088
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:51,040
possible that around the time that Gabe
 

3089
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,670
possible that around the time that Gabe
was living with Michelle and Claire?

3090
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:53,680
was living with Michelle and Claire?
 

3091
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,670
was living with Michelle and Claire?
>> Um, or at least with Michelle, not

3092
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:55,680
>> Um, or at least with Michelle, not
 

3093
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,270
>> Um, or at least with Michelle, not
Claire, like you get what I mean? Like

3094
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:57,280
Claire, like you get what I mean? Like
 

3095
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,630
Claire, like you get what I mean? Like
Michelle was friends with Clare, so they

3096
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:58,640
Michelle was friends with Clare, so they
 

3097
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,150
Michelle was friends with Clare, so they
were all like hanging out fairly when

3098
01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:00,160
were all like hanging out fairly when
 

3099
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,430
were all like hanging out fairly when
they were younger.

3100
01:03:01,430 --> 01:03:01,440
they were younger.
 

3101
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,950
they were younger.
>> Do you think that like Michelle and

3102
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:02,960
>> Do you think that like Michelle and
 

3103
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,630
>> Do you think that like Michelle and
Claire were ever like introduced to

3104
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:04,640
Claire were ever like introduced to
 

3105
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,390
Claire were ever like introduced to
Saber because he was friends with Black

3106
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:06,400
Saber because he was friends with Black
 

3107
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,630
Saber because he was friends with Black
Griffin?

3108
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:08,640
Griffin?
 

3109
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,750
Griffin?
Yeah, I mean it like it like I did a

3110
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:11,760
Yeah, I mean it like it like I did a
 

3111
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,750
Yeah, I mean it like it like I did a
panel with Claire one time. Um I don't

3112
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:13,760
panel with Claire one time. Um I don't
 

3113
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,670
panel with Claire one time. Um I don't
know if that was that's relevant. Um but

3114
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:17,680
know if that was that's relevant. Um but
 

3115
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,150
know if that was that's relevant. Um but
um I imagine they met at a con, you

3116
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:20,160
um I imagine they met at a con, you
 

3117
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,069
um I imagine they met at a con, you
know, be way before this. So right,

3118
01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:24,079
know, be way before this. So right,
 

3119
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:24,390
know, be way before this. So right,
>> you know,

3120
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:24,400
>> you know,
 

3121
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,910
>> you know,
>> cuz Gabe wasn't in the States at that

3122
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:25,920
>> cuz Gabe wasn't in the States at that
 

3123
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,829
>> cuz Gabe wasn't in the States at that
point. He was living in

3124
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:27,839
point. He was living in
 

3125
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,990
point. He was living in
>> like with the creepers in Vancouver,

3126
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:30,000
>> like with the creepers in Vancouver,
 

3127
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,349
>> like with the creepers in Vancouver,
wasn't he?

3128
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:31,359
wasn't he?
 

3129
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:33,270
wasn't he?
>> Yeah, but he most of the pony

3130
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:33,280
>> Yeah, but he most of the pony
 

3131
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,029
>> Yeah, but he most of the pony
conventions were in the States. There's

3132
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:35,039
conventions were in the States. There's
 

3133
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,190
conventions were in the States. There's
I think there's only one one pony

3134
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:37,200
I think there's only one one pony
 

3135
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,950
I think there's only one one pony
convention in Canada. So,

3136
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:38,960
convention in Canada. So,
 

3137
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,510
convention in Canada. So,
>> Gotcha. So, the only times uh I suppose

3138
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:43,520
>> Gotcha. So, the only times uh I suppose
 

3139
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,990
>> Gotcha. So, the only times uh I suppose
that Black Griffin and um Sabre would

3140
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:48,000
that Black Griffin and um Sabre would
 

3141
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,150
that Black Griffin and um Sabre would
have ever been like with each other in

3142
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:50,160
have ever been like with each other in
 

3143
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,470
have ever been like with each other in
person would have been at Cons.

3144
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:52,480
person would have been at Cons.
 

3145
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,630
person would have been at Cons.
>> Um yeah, like Saber wasn't going to

3146
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:54,640
>> Um yeah, like Saber wasn't going to
 

3147
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,549
>> Um yeah, like Saber wasn't going to
visit Gabe, put it that way.

3148
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:56,559
visit Gabe, put it that way.
 

3149
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,510
visit Gabe, put it that way.
>> Gotcha. Okay, that's interesting then

3150
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:59,520
>> Gotcha. Okay, that's interesting then
 

3151
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,190
>> Gotcha. Okay, that's interesting then
that he went to his wedding if they were

3152
01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:01,200
that he went to his wedding if they were
 

3153
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,670
that he went to his wedding if they were
only really like, you know, friends

3154
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:03,680
only really like, you know, friends
 

3155
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,510
only really like, you know, friends
through meeting each other at cons every

3156
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:05,520
through meeting each other at cons every
 

3157
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,510
through meeting each other at cons every
once in a while.

3158
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:07,520
once in a while.
 

3159
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,510
once in a while.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know how

3160
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:09,520
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know how
 

3161
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,270
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know how
much they talk, but I guess it just

3162
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:11,280
much they talk, but I guess it just
 

3163
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,990
much they talk, but I guess it just
seemed like, you know, I thought I

3164
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:14,000
seemed like, you know, I thought I
 

3165
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,829
seemed like, you know, I thought I
thought Gabe had more friends than Saber

3166
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:15,839
thought Gabe had more friends than Saber
 

3167
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:18,470
thought Gabe had more friends than Saber
and Rice, but you know, what do I know,

3168
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:18,480
and Rice, but you know, what do I know,
 

3169
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,549
and Rice, but you know, what do I know,
>> right? Yeah, I get that. Um, so the the

3170
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:22,559
>> right? Yeah, I get that. Um, so the the
 

3171
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,990
>> right? Yeah, I get that. Um, so the the
Brony uh Fandote account came forward to

3172
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:26,000
Brony uh Fandote account came forward to
 

3173
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,910
Brony uh Fandote account came forward to
you and let you know about like the

3174
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:27,920
you and let you know about like the
 

3175
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,870
you and let you know about like the
whole victim thing. Um, was Brony

3176
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:30,880
whole victim thing. Um, was Brony
 

3177
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,910
whole victim thing. Um, was Brony
Fandone like looking into Saber Spark

3178
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:33,920
Fandone like looking into Saber Spark
 

3179
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,910
Fandone like looking into Saber Spark
like as much as he was looking into like

3180
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:35,920
like as much as he was looking into like
 

3181
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,829
like as much as he was looking into like
is he just looking into the Black

3182
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:37,839
is he just looking into the Black
 

3183
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:39,430
is he just looking into the Black
Griffin thing or is he looking into this

3184
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:39,440
Griffin thing or is he looking into this
 

3185
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,670
Griffin thing or is he looking into this
entire friend group?

3186
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:41,680
entire friend group?
 

3187
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,190
entire friend group?
Um, to my knowledge, I'm kind of to

3188
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:45,200
Um, to my knowledge, I'm kind of to
 

3189
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,029
Um, to my knowledge, I'm kind of to
well, this is a s this is a side, but

3190
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:47,039
well, this is a s this is a side, but
 

3191
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:48,710
well, this is a s this is a side, but
I'm kind of frustrated with his recent

3192
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:48,720
I'm kind of frustrated with his recent
 

3193
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,029
I'm kind of frustrated with his recent
behavior, but that's that's not what

3194
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:51,039
behavior, but that's that's not what
 

3195
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:54,470
behavior, but that's that's not what
this is about. So, um,

3196
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:54,480
this is about. So, um,
 

3197
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,950
this is about. So, um,
from what I remember and what he said,

3198
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:56,960
from what I remember and what he said,
 

3199
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,309
from what I remember and what he said,
he was depressed or having mental health

3200
01:05:00,309 --> 01:05:00,319
he was depressed or having mental health
 

3201
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:02,230
he was depressed or having mental health
problems at the time and was overwhelmed

3202
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:02,240
problems at the time and was overwhelmed
 

3203
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,390
problems at the time and was overwhelmed
when this testimony came to him

3204
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:04,400
when this testimony came to him
 

3205
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,470
when this testimony came to him
>> and didn't really know what to do with

3206
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:06,480
>> and didn't really know what to do with
 

3207
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,270
>> and didn't really know what to do with
it. But the testimony had not been

3208
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:09,280
it. But the testimony had not been
 

3209
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,710
it. But the testimony had not been
written. This was just like um there

3210
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:12,720
written. This was just like um there
 

3211
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,870
written. This was just like um there
being a victim known,

3212
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:14,880
being a victim known,
 

3213
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:15,190
being a victim known,
>> right?

3214
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:15,200
>> right?
 

3215
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,309
>> right?
>> So,

3216
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:16,319
>> So,
 

3217
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:18,230
>> So,
>> did he ever tell you when the victim

3218
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:18,240
>> did he ever tell you when the victim
 

3219
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,910
>> did he ever tell you when the victim
came to him? Was this like sometime

3220
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:19,920
came to him? Was this like sometime
 

3221
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:21,990
came to him? Was this like sometime
after the Black Griffin thing got big or

3222
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:22,000
after the Black Griffin thing got big or
 

3223
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,430
after the Black Griffin thing got big or
was it before?

3224
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:23,440
was it before?
 

3225
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,309
was it before?
>> I have no idea. I just know he he he was

3226
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:26,319
>> I have no idea. I just know he he he was
 

3227
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:29,109
>> I have no idea. I just know he he he was
told by Amy um about it.

3228
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:29,119
told by Amy um about it.
 

3229
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:32,309
told by Amy um about it.
>> Okay, gotcha. And is Amy like a What's

3230
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:32,319
>> Okay, gotcha. And is Amy like a What's
 

3231
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:33,990
>> Okay, gotcha. And is Amy like a What's
their connection to all this? Cuz I see

3232
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:34,000
their connection to all this? Cuz I see
 

3233
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,190
their connection to all this? Cuz I see
>> Oh, yeah. So Amy is um a Peter New's

3234
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:39,200
>> Oh, yeah. So Amy is um a Peter New's
 

3235
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,670
>> Oh, yeah. So Amy is um a Peter New's
wife. Peter New plays Big Macintosh on

3236
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:41,680
wife. Peter New plays Big Macintosh on
 

3237
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,630
wife. Peter New plays Big Macintosh on
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Um

3238
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:44,640
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Um
 

3239
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,309
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Um
>> really?

3240
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:46,319
>> really?
 

3241
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:48,630
>> really?
>> Yeah. Well, it gets it it gets funnier.

3242
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:48,640
>> Yeah. Well, it gets it it gets funnier.
 

3243
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,309
>> Yeah. Well, it gets it it gets funnier.
So um they actually met because

3244
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:52,319
So um they actually met because
 

3245
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,630
So um they actually met because
um Peter was going through a divorce and

3246
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:54,640
um Peter was going through a divorce and
 

3247
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,670
um Peter was going through a divorce and
she was working um I think Trotcon, one

3248
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:57,680
she was working um I think Trotcon, one
 

3249
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,910
she was working um I think Trotcon, one
of the Ponycons, and that's how they

3250
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:59,920
of the Ponycons, and that's how they
 

3251
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,270
of the Ponycons, and that's how they
met.

3252
01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:01,280
met.
 

3253
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,190
met.
>> Oh,

3254
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:03,200
>> Oh,
 

3255
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,549
>> Oh,
okay.

3256
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:04,559
okay.
 

3257
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,029
okay.
That's interesting.

3258
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:07,039
That's interesting.
 

3259
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,349
That's interesting.
So, she's married to a My Little Pony

3260
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:09,359
So, she's married to a My Little Pony
 

3261
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:10,870
So, she's married to a My Little Pony
voice actor.

3262
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:10,880
voice actor.
 

3263
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:11,829
voice actor.
>> Mhm.

3264
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:11,839
>> Mhm.
 

3265
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:14,390
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So, how does how does this my wife

3266
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:14,400
>> Okay. So, how does how does this my wife
 

3267
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,230
>> Okay. So, how does how does this my wife
of a voice actor know this victim then?

3268
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:16,240
of a voice actor know this victim then?
 

3269
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,549
of a voice actor know this victim then?
Just because they're all friends or um

3270
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:20,559
Just because they're all friends or um
 

3271
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:24,069
Just because they're all friends or um
Yeah, I mean like like because of the

3272
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:24,079
Yeah, I mean like like because of the
 

3273
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:27,109
Yeah, I mean like like because of the
timeline obviously. Um Sabre was doing

3274
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:27,119
timeline obviously. Um Sabre was doing
 

3275
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,430
timeline obviously. Um Sabre was doing
cons before I was on the scene doing

3276
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:29,440
cons before I was on the scene doing
 

3277
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,230
cons before I was on the scene doing
cons. So I imagine like you know like

3278
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:34,240
cons. So I imagine like you know like
 

3279
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,750
cons. So I imagine like you know like
logistically the people that c cost the

3280
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:37,760
logistically the people that c cost the
 

3281
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,710
logistically the people that c cost the
con the the least the least amount of

3282
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:40,720
con the the least the least amount of
 

3283
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,230
con the the least the least amount of
money to book it's easier. So um I

3284
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:44,240
money to book it's easier. So um I
 

3285
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,789
money to book it's easier. So um I
imagine maybe Peter was one of those

3286
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:46,799
imagine maybe Peter was one of those
 

3287
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:48,470
imagine maybe Peter was one of those
categories

3288
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:48,480
categories
 

3289
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,349
categories
um for whatever reason. Um

3290
01:06:53,349 --> 01:06:53,359
um for whatever reason. Um
 

3291
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:55,589
um for whatever reason. Um
and I think I think him and andrea

3292
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:55,599
and I think I think him and andrea
 

3293
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:56,950
and I think I think him and andrea
Libman have the same agent but don't

3294
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:56,960
Libman have the same agent but don't
 

3295
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,549
Libman have the same agent but don't
quote me on that. Um

3296
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:58,559
quote me on that. Um
 

3297
01:06:58,559 --> 01:06:59,670
quote me on that. Um
>> Mhm.

3298
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:59,680
>> Mhm.
 

3299
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,829
>> Mhm.
Uh, so I imagine it was they met through

3300
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:03,839
Uh, so I imagine it was they met through
 

3301
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,870
Uh, so I imagine it was they met through
conventions as well. Um, Peter's Peter's

3302
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:06,880
conventions as well. Um, Peter's Peter's
 

3303
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,549
conventions as well. Um, Peter's Peter's
just a nice guy. Like he'll talk to

3304
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:08,559
just a nice guy. Like he'll talk to
 

3305
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,029
just a nice guy. Like he'll talk to
people. He's talked to me before. Um,

3306
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:11,039
people. He's talked to me before. Um,
 

3307
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,990
people. He's talked to me before. Um,
I'm not really close at w with um with

3308
01:07:13,990 --> 01:07:14,000
I'm not really close at w with um with
 

3309
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,510
I'm not really close at w with um with
Peter though. So,

3310
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:15,520
Peter though. So,
 

3311
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:15,829
Peter though. So,
>> okay.

3312
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:15,839
>> okay.
 

3313
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:17,589
>> okay.
>> I just know of his nature,

3314
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:17,599
>> I just know of his nature,
 

3315
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,309
>> I just know of his nature,
>> right? So, correct me if I'm wrong

3316
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:20,319
>> right? So, correct me if I'm wrong
 

3317
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:21,750
>> right? So, correct me if I'm wrong
because like I've been to cons before,

3318
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:21,760
because like I've been to cons before,
 

3319
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,750
because like I've been to cons before,
right? And I've been um not part of

3320
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:23,760
right? And I've been um not part of
 

3321
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,349
right? And I've been um not part of
panels, but I have friends who are in

3322
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:25,359
panels, but I have friends who are in
 

3323
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:27,109
panels, but I have friends who are in
the panel spaces where they'll get

3324
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:27,119
the panel spaces where they'll get
 

3325
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,190
the panel spaces where they'll get
panels to cons and stuff. And from what

3326
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:31,200
panels to cons and stuff. And from what
 

3327
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,510
panels to cons and stuff. And from what
just a couple of experiences I had with

3328
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:33,520
just a couple of experiences I had with
 

3329
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,470
just a couple of experiences I had with
that, most of the time there's like two

3330
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:36,480
that, most of the time there's like two
 

3331
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:37,829
that, most of the time there's like two
different types of ways you can get a

3332
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:37,839
different types of ways you can get a
 

3333
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:39,510
different types of ways you can get a
panel, right? Whether you're like

3334
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:39,520
panel, right? Whether you're like
 

3335
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,150
panel, right? Whether you're like
actually invited by the staff or you

3336
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:42,160
actually invited by the staff or you
 

3337
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,190
actually invited by the staff or you
like sign up. Like Colossal I know has

3338
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:45,200
like sign up. Like Colossal I know has
 

3339
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,630
like sign up. Like Colossal I know has
like a sign up thing where it's like if

3340
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:46,640
like a sign up thing where it's like if
 

3341
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,309
like a sign up thing where it's like if
you want to have a panel at our thing,

3342
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:48,319
you want to have a panel at our thing,
 

3343
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:49,910
you want to have a panel at our thing,
you can have a sign up and we'll like

3344
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:49,920
you can have a sign up and we'll like
 

3345
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,029
you can have a sign up and we'll like
review your thing or whatever. So, um,

3346
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:53,039
review your thing or whatever. So, um,
 

3347
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,349
review your thing or whatever. So, um,
was Saber Spark one of those like

3348
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:55,359
was Saber Spark one of those like
 

3349
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:57,510
was Saber Spark one of those like
invited people to cons or did he like

3350
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:57,520
invited people to cons or did he like
 

3351
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,829
invited people to cons or did he like
sign up for panels?

3352
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:59,839
sign up for panels?
 

3353
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:01,990
sign up for panels?
>> Um,

3354
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:02,000
>> Um,
 

3355
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,549
>> Um,
I imagine at first he must have signed

3356
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:04,559
I imagine at first he must have signed
 

3357
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:08,069
I imagine at first he must have signed
up. I don't know how the the I don't

3358
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:08,079
up. I don't know how the the I don't
 

3359
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:10,470
up. I don't know how the the I don't
know the history of the community guest

3360
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:10,480
know the history of the community guest
 

3361
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,710
know the history of the community guest
status at pony conventions, how that

3362
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:12,720
status at pony conventions, how that
 

3363
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,029
status at pony conventions, how that
developed to be all honest. By the time

3364
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:15,039
developed to be all honest. By the time
 

3365
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,669
developed to be all honest. By the time
I was there, it was already um

3366
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:17,679
I was there, it was already um
 

3367
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:19,749
I was there, it was already um
developed. Um, this is kind of a side

3368
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:19,759
developed. Um, this is kind of a side
 

3369
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:22,950
developed. Um, this is kind of a side
tangent, but Bron Khan was known for in

3370
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:22,960
tangent, but Bron Khan was known for in
 

3371
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,829
tangent, but Bron Khan was known for in
infamously not willing to sponsor any

3372
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:25,839
infamously not willing to sponsor any
 

3373
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:27,349
infamously not willing to sponsor any
community guests because they just

3374
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:27,359
community guests because they just
 

3375
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:32,149
community guests because they just
assumed that people would go for free

3376
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:32,159
assumed that people would go for free
 

3377
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,309
assumed that people would go for free
cuz it was the con to go to, which, you

3378
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:34,319
cuz it was the con to go to, which, you
 

3379
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,189
cuz it was the con to go to, which, you
know, is is kind of correct. Um, so

3380
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:37,199
know, is is kind of correct. Um, so
 

3381
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:41,749
know, is is kind of correct. Um, so
Saber had to um make a point cuz they do

3382
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:41,759
Saber had to um make a point cuz they do
 

3383
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:44,149
Saber had to um make a point cuz they do
this improv show that I think the clip

3384
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:44,159
this improv show that I think the clip
 

3385
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,950
this improv show that I think the clip
the the non-consent clip is from where

3386
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:46,960
the the non-consent clip is from where
 

3387
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,390
the the non-consent clip is from where
it's Yeah, it's called Whose Li um line

3388
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:50,400
it's Yeah, it's called Whose Li um line
 

3389
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,669
it's Yeah, it's called Whose Li um line
is it anyway? But it's Whoo! H O Z um

3390
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:55,679
is it anyway? But it's Whoo! H O Z um
 

3391
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:58,789
is it anyway? But it's Whoo! H O Z um
W H O O V E S Like So like

3392
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:58,799
W H O O V E S Like So like
 

3393
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,149
W H O O V E S Like So like
>> It's a pun. It's a pun.

3394
01:09:00,149 --> 01:09:00,159
>> It's a pun. It's a pun.
 

3395
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,870
>> It's a pun. It's a pun.
>> Yeah, it's a pun. It's a dumb pun. So

3396
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:02,880
>> Yeah, it's a pun. It's a dumb pun. So
 

3397
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,510
>> Yeah, it's a pun. It's a dumb pun. So
that is a that's a that's a

3398
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:05,520
that is a that's a that's a
 

3399
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,390
that is a that's a that's a
crowd-pleaser. Um you know, people know

3400
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:08,400
crowd-pleaser. Um you know, people know
 

3401
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,550
crowd-pleaser. Um you know, people know
that that's a thing that happens at some

3402
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:10,560
that that's a thing that happens at some
 

3403
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,189
that that's a thing that happens at some
of these cons is the Saber and Race

3404
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:13,199
of these cons is the Saber and Race
 

3405
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,910
of these cons is the Saber and Race
comedy show. Um, and that's and then

3406
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:15,920
comedy show. Um, and that's and then
 

3407
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,950
comedy show. Um, and that's and then
they invite um some extra people um if

3408
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:18,960
they invite um some extra people um if
 

3409
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,669
they invite um some extra people um if
they needed them to pay based on who was

3410
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:21,679
they needed them to pay based on who was
 

3411
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,149
they needed them to pay based on who was
available at the con. So, Saber had to

3412
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:24,159
available at the con. So, Saber had to
 

3413
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:28,550
available at the con. So, Saber had to
fight for a couple years to get his

3414
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:28,560
fight for a couple years to get his
 

3415
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,829
fight for a couple years to get his
stuff paid for um because he made a

3416
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:31,839
stuff paid for um because he made a
 

3417
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:36,870
stuff paid for um because he made a
point that the the the freaking um the

3418
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:36,880
point that the the the freaking um the
 

3419
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,189
point that the the the freaking um the
who's lime stuff was drawing in a huge

3420
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:39,199
who's lime stuff was drawing in a huge
 

3421
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:40,870
who's lime stuff was drawing in a huge
crowd, which it was.

3422
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:40,880
crowd, which it was.
 

3423
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,030
crowd, which it was.
>> Right. Right.

3424
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:43,040
>> Right. Right.
 

3425
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:43,430
>> Right. Right.
So,

3426
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:43,440
So,
 

3427
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,510
So,
>> so that's that's kind of a side.

3428
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:45,520
>> so that's that's kind of a side.
 

3429
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,430
>> so that's that's kind of a side.
>> Yeah. Weren't you like considered a

3430
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:47,440
>> Yeah. Weren't you like considered a
 

3431
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,910
>> Yeah. Weren't you like considered a
community g a guest? You said that when

3432
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:49,920
community g a guest? You said that when
 

3433
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,430
community g a guest? You said that when
in Courtney's video that you were

3434
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:51,440
in Courtney's video that you were
 

3435
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:52,789
in Courtney's video that you were
considered a community.

3436
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:52,799
considered a community.
 

3437
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:56,630
considered a community.
>> Rony Con. Brony Con um did not care and

3438
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:56,640
>> Rony Con. Brony Con um did not care and
 

3439
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,110
>> Rony Con. Brony Con um did not care and
by the time they did care um you know

3440
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:01,120
by the time they did care um you know
 

3441
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,030
by the time they did care um you know
um

3442
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:03,040
um
 

3443
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,110
um
uh that like my whole thing with Brunie

3444
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:05,120
uh that like my whole thing with Brunie
 

3445
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,550
uh that like my whole thing with Brunie
Con happened, which I can go into

3446
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:06,560
Con happened, which I can go into
 

3447
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,910
Con happened, which I can go into
details if you want, but um yeah, it was

3448
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:09,920
details if you want, but um yeah, it was
 

3449
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,030
details if you want, but um yeah, it was
late in the game when they were even

3450
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:11,040
late in the game when they were even
 

3451
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,709
late in the game when they were even
doing guests cuz they just assumed

3452
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:12,719
doing guests cuz they just assumed
 

3453
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:14,790
doing guests cuz they just assumed
people would come anyway. So like we'd

3454
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:14,800
people would come anyway. So like we'd
 

3455
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,149
people would come anyway. So like we'd
be booked for smaller cons. So and then

3456
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:18,159
be booked for smaller cons. So and then
 

3457
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,070
be booked for smaller cons. So and then
that they would have the community guest

3458
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:20,080
that they would have the community guest
 

3459
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,990
that they would have the community guest
tab. So um it would Yeah. So there there

3460
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:24,000
tab. So um it would Yeah. So there there
 

3461
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,149
tab. So um it would Yeah. So there there
were um there were a bunch of cons back

3462
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:26,159
were um there were a bunch of cons back
 

3463
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:27,430
were um there were a bunch of cons back
in the day. There was one point where I

3464
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:27,440
in the day. There was one point where I
 

3465
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,910
in the day. There was one point where I
was doing a pony con a month. Um it was

3466
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:29,920
was doing a pony con a month. Um it was
 

3467
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,310
was doing a pony con a month. Um it was
so crazy. But obviously that doesn't

3468
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:32,320
so crazy. But obviously that doesn't
 

3469
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:33,669
so crazy. But obviously that doesn't
happen anymore.

3470
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:33,679
happen anymore.
 

3471
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:35,110
happen anymore.
>> Gee. Well, yeah. I mean I don't know how

3472
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:35,120
>> Gee. Well, yeah. I mean I don't know how
 

3473
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,070
>> Gee. Well, yeah. I mean I don't know how
popular p like brony conventions are.

3474
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:38,080
popular p like brony conventions are.
 

3475
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,270
popular p like brony conventions are.
>> Yeah.

3476
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:39,280
>> Yeah.
 

3477
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,870
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, if there was like um if they

3478
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:42,880
>> Okay. So, if there was like um if they
 

3479
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,430
>> Okay. So, if there was like um if they
were to have like

3480
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:45,440
were to have like
 

3481
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:46,790
were to have like
I'm trying to think because I know that

3482
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:46,800
I'm trying to think because I know that
 

3483
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,110
I'm trying to think because I know that
like on Colossal Con, right? They'll

3484
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:49,120
like on Colossal Con, right? They'll
 

3485
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,350
like on Colossal Con, right? They'll
usually have like obviously features for

3486
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:51,360
usually have like obviously features for
 

3487
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,950
usually have like obviously features for
a special guest appearance, right? Is

3488
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:52,960
a special guest appearance, right? Is
 

3489
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,229
a special guest appearance, right? Is
like special guests and they'll they'll

3490
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:54,239
like special guests and they'll they'll
 

3491
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:55,990
like special guests and they'll they'll
show who they're inviting, right? Did

3492
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:56,000
show who they're inviting, right? Did
 

3493
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,669
show who they're inviting, right? Did
they have anything like that for like

3494
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:57,679
they have anything like that for like
 

3495
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:00,070
they have anything like that for like
the Brony conventions? um like a

3496
01:11:00,070 --> 01:11:00,080
the Brony conventions? um like a
 

3497
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,590
the Brony conventions? um like a
community guest tab that they were like

3498
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:01,600
community guest tab that they were like
 

3499
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,709
community guest tab that they were like
displaying who was going to show up

3500
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:02,719
displaying who was going to show up
 

3501
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:04,950
displaying who was going to show up
because I know like from what you sent

3502
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:04,960
because I know like from what you sent
 

3503
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,510
because I know like from what you sent
me, you were able to show a like a

3504
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:07,520
me, you were able to show a like a
 

3505
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,110
me, you were able to show a like a
website

3506
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:09,120
website
 

3507
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,590
website
um thing where it was like featuring um

3508
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:11,600
um thing where it was like featuring um
 

3509
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,430
um thing where it was like featuring um
I love Kim Possible. I'm pretty sure you

3510
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:13,440
I love Kim Possible. I'm pretty sure you
 

3511
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,030
I love Kim Possible. I'm pretty sure you
sent that to me.

3512
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:15,040
sent that to me.
 

3513
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,470
sent that to me.
>> Um yeah. Um yeah, exactly right. They

3514
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:18,480
>> Um yeah. Um yeah, exactly right. They
 

3515
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,630
>> Um yeah. Um yeah, exactly right. They
had they had like a separate page on the

3516
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:20,640
had they had like a separate page on the
 

3517
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,910
had they had like a separate page on the
website um for community guest spot

3518
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:23,920
website um for community guest spot
 

3519
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,510
website um for community guest spot
depending on the con, but usually they

3520
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:25,520
depending on the con, but usually they
 

3521
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,390
depending on the con, but usually they
did. Um, and like we have we'd write

3522
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:28,400
did. Um, and like we have we'd write
 

3523
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,630
did. Um, and like we have we'd write
bios. I think Saber's bio was like he

3524
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:30,640
bios. I think Saber's bio was like he
 

3525
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,310
bios. I think Saber's bio was like he
could lift like like something stupid

3526
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:32,320
could lift like like something stupid
 

3527
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,229
could lift like like something stupid
like he could lift 500 lb or something

3528
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:34,239
like he could lift 500 lb or something
 

3529
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,709
like he could lift 500 lb or something
like that. I don't know. Um, so it was

3530
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:36,719
like that. I don't know. Um, so it was
 

3531
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:38,950
like that. I don't know. Um, so it was
like a joke bio. Um, and then again

3532
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:38,960
like a joke bio. Um, and then again
 

3533
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,990
like a joke bio. Um, and then again
depending on the con um I lost all my

3534
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:42,000
depending on the con um I lost all my
 

3535
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,630
depending on the con um I lost all my
con swag um

3536
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:44,640
con swag um
 

3537
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,470
con swag um
like six months ago. I won't go into

3538
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:46,480
like six months ago. I won't go into
 

3539
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,709
like six months ago. I won't go into
details about that, but um I don't have

3540
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:48,719
details about that, but um I don't have
 

3541
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:50,390
details about that, but um I don't have
any physical con books yet, but

3542
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:50,400
any physical con books yet, but
 

3543
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,750
any physical con books yet, but
depending on the con, we were also

3544
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:51,760
depending on the con, we were also
 

3545
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,830
depending on the con, we were also
listed in the con book too. And then

3546
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:53,840
listed in the con book too. And then
 

3547
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,149
listed in the con book too. And then
also depending on the con, um, if the

3548
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:56,159
also depending on the con, um, if the
 

3549
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:59,270
also depending on the con, um, if the
con was doing a some kind of

3550
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:59,280
con was doing a some kind of
 

3551
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,350
con was doing a some kind of
advertisement in some way, we'd be like

3552
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:03,360
advertisement in some way, we'd be like
 

3553
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,110
advertisement in some way, we'd be like
they would usually want to feature the

3554
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:05,120
they would usually want to feature the
 

3555
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,189
they would usually want to feature the
community guests as well. So I I can

3556
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:07,199
community guests as well. So I I can
 

3557
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,189
community guests as well. So I I can
show you um an example of that if you'd

3558
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:09,199
show you um an example of that if you'd
 

3559
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:09,910
show you um an example of that if you'd
like,

3560
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:09,920
like,
 

3561
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,669
like,
>> right? And were most of these cons like

3562
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:11,679
>> right? And were most of these cons like
 

3563
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:13,510
>> right? And were most of these cons like
did they take place in hotels or was it

3564
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:13,520
did they take place in hotels or was it
 

3565
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,350
did they take place in hotels or was it
like a community center and like the

3566
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:15,360
like a community center and like the
 

3567
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,950
like a community center and like the
hotel was like elsewhere?

3568
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:16,960
hotel was like elsewhere?
 

3569
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,550
hotel was like elsewhere?
>> Depending on the size of the con. So,

3570
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:18,560
>> Depending on the size of the con. So,
 

3571
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,390
>> Depending on the size of the con. So,
Brony Con was in the the Baltimore

3572
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:20,400
Brony Con was in the the Baltimore
 

3573
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,149
Brony Con was in the the Baltimore
Convention Center and then everyone

3574
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:22,159
Convention Center and then everyone
 

3575
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,750
Convention Center and then everyone
stayed at the hotels around it, but um I

3576
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:25,760
stayed at the hotels around it, but um I
 

3577
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,430
stayed at the hotels around it, but um I
think every other Pony Con was in a

3578
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:27,440
think every other Pony Con was in a
 

3579
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:28,709
think every other Pony Con was in a
hotel.

3580
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:28,719
hotel.
 

3581
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:31,110
hotel.
>> Okay. Okay. So, like

3582
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:31,120
>> Okay. Okay. So, like
 

3583
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,950
>> Okay. Okay. So, like
>> if if they were going to if

3584
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:32,960
>> if if they were going to if
 

3585
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,229
>> if if they were going to if
>> I was going to ask somebody their

3586
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:34,239
>> I was going to ask somebody their
 

3587
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,070
>> I was going to ask somebody their
experience at a convention, at least

3588
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:36,080
experience at a convention, at least
 

3589
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,070
experience at a convention, at least
brony wise, they'd be like, "Yeah, the

3590
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:38,080
brony wise, they'd be like, "Yeah, the
 

3591
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,229
brony wise, they'd be like, "Yeah, the
con space would be like in a hotel

3592
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:40,239
con space would be like in a hotel
 

3593
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,229
con space would be like in a hotel
space." So, they like by the end of

3594
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:42,239
space." So, they like by the end of
 

3595
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:43,510
space." So, they like by the end of
their day where it's like, "Okay, let's

3596
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:43,520
their day where it's like, "Okay, let's
 

3597
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,790
their day where it's like, "Okay, let's
retire from the night." They would just

3598
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:44,800
retire from the night." They would just
 

3599
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,110
retire from the night." They would just
stay in the same building relatively.

3600
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:47,120
stay in the same building relatively.
 

3601
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,990
stay in the same building relatively.
>> Yeah.

3602
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:48,000
>> Yeah.
 

3603
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,950
>> Yeah.
um like a a logistical thing is

3604
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:50,960
um like a a logistical thing is
 

3605
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,590
um like a a logistical thing is
sometimes they'll have the VAS go stay

3606
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:53,600
sometimes they'll have the VAS go stay
 

3607
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,070
sometimes they'll have the VAS go stay
at another hotel just so fans don't like

3608
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:56,080
at another hotel just so fans don't like
 

3609
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,590
at another hotel just so fans don't like
fall into their rooms and stuff like

3610
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:57,600
fall into their rooms and stuff like
 

3611
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:58,470
fall into their rooms and stuff like
that, right?

3612
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:58,480
that, right?
 

3613
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:00,870
that, right?
>> But um yeah, that's that's just an

3614
01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:00,880
>> But um yeah, that's that's just an
 

3615
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,669
>> But um yeah, that's that's just an
aside.

3616
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:01,679
aside.
 

3617
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:03,350
aside.
>> Gotcha. I just wanted to like that

3618
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:03,360
>> Gotcha. I just wanted to like that
 

3619
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,550
>> Gotcha. I just wanted to like that
detail thing cuz I don't know how any of

3620
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:04,560
detail thing cuz I don't know how any of
 

3621
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,149
detail thing cuz I don't know how any of
these convention spaces work and I

3622
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:06,159
these convention spaces work and I
 

3623
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:07,910
these convention spaces work and I
>> Yeah. What happened was at a convention

3624
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:07,920
>> Yeah. What happened was at a convention
 

3625
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,350
>> Yeah. What happened was at a convention
so it's like

3626
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:09,360
so it's like
 

3627
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,229
so it's like
>> Yeah. Um but yeah, this was in the early

3628
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:12,239
>> Yeah. Um but yeah, this was in the early
 

3629
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:15,110
>> Yeah. Um but yeah, this was in the early
days of the pony fandom. Um I think she

3630
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:15,120
days of the pony fandom. Um I think she
 

3631
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,550
days of the pony fandom. Um I think she
released the cons. cuz I know you were

3632
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:16,560
released the cons. cuz I know you were
 

3633
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,990
released the cons. cuz I know you were
asking me about the cons um before. Um

3634
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:20,000
asking me about the cons um before. Um
 

3635
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,830
asking me about the cons um before. Um
so

3636
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:21,840
so
 

3637
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,590
so
again, I don't know how much cuz I

3638
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:23,600
again, I don't know how much cuz I
 

3639
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,709
again, I don't know how much cuz I
wasn't there. I don't know how much of

3640
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:24,719
wasn't there. I don't know how much of
 

3641
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:26,550
wasn't there. I don't know how much of
the status quo was solidified at that

3642
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:26,560
the status quo was solidified at that
 

3643
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,110
the status quo was solidified at that
point. But um you know um was Sabersburg

3644
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:31,120
point. But um you know um was Sabersburg
 

3645
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,630
point. But um you know um was Sabersburg
like a big brony guy back then or was he

3646
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:34,640
like a big brony guy back then or was he
 

3647
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,110
like a big brony guy back then or was he
just like somebody that was like

3648
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:37,120
just like somebody that was like
 

3649
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,750
just like somebody that was like
starting out?

3650
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:37,760
starting out?
 

3651
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,510
starting out?
>> Oh, I could explain this. Um so um AC

3652
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:41,520
>> Oh, I could explain this. Um so um AC
 

3653
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,910
>> Oh, I could explain this. Um so um AC
race spect

3654
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:43,920
race spect
 

3655
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,470
race spect
was kind of like the big fandom one of

3656
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:46,480
was kind of like the big fandom one of
 

3657
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,709
was kind of like the big fandom one of
the big fandom things that people look

3658
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:48,719
the big fandom things that people look
 

3659
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:49,830
the big fandom things that people look
forward to.

3660
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:49,840
forward to.
 

3661
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,310
forward to.
>> Okay.

3662
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:50,320
>> Okay.
 

3663
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:55,669
>> Okay.
>> So um so they would get horse famous or

3664
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:55,679
>> So um so they would get horse famous or
 

3665
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:58,310
>> So um so they would get horse famous or
community people notable community

3666
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:58,320
community people notable community
 

3667
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,910
community people notable community
people as guests um to be on Brony's

3668
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:01,920
people as guests um to be on Brony's
 

3669
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,790
people as guests um to be on Brony's
React and that's kind of how that's one

3670
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:04,800
React and that's kind of how that's one
 

3671
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,950
React and that's kind of how that's one
of the ways you

3672
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:06,960
of the ways you
 

3673
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,270
of the ways you
like. So, because Saber so close, Saber

3674
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:11,280
like. So, because Saber so close, Saber
 

3675
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,149
like. So, because Saber so close, Saber
was automatically in all the bronies

3676
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:14,159
was automatically in all the bronies
 

3677
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,790
was automatically in all the bronies
react. And the only reason, fun fact,

3678
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:16,800
react. And the only reason, fun fact,
 

3679
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,630
react. And the only reason, fun fact,
the only reason I was in the Rain Rocks

3680
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:18,640
the only reason I was in the Rain Rocks
 

3681
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,189
the only reason I was in the Rain Rocks
one was because Saber wanted me to be in

3682
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:21,199
one was because Saber wanted me to be in
 

3683
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,030
one was because Saber wanted me to be in
there. Um.

3684
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:23,040
there. Um.
 

3685
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:23,430
there. Um.
>> Okay.

3686
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:23,440
>> Okay.
 

3687
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:24,950
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.

3688
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:24,960
>> Yeah.
 

3689
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,790
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. I just thought that like outside

3690
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:26,800
>> Okay. I just thought that like outside
 

3691
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,709
>> Okay. I just thought that like outside
of his connections to AC that like that

3692
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:30,719
of his connections to AC that like that
 

3693
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:32,390
of his connections to AC that like that
because the the victim mentioned that

3694
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:32,400
because the the victim mentioned that
 

3695
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,709
because the the victim mentioned that
they made a brony video that they liked,

3696
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:34,719
they made a brony video that they liked,
 

3697
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:36,229
they made a brony video that they liked,
right? So, I thought that maybe he was

3698
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:36,239
right? So, I thought that maybe he was
 

3699
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,310
right? So, I thought that maybe he was
like a big brony guy before he became

3700
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:38,320
like a big brony guy before he became
 

3701
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,229
like a big brony guy before he became
like the cartoon dude.

3702
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:40,239
like the cartoon dude.
 

3703
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:43,189
like the cartoon dude.
>> Um,

3704
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:43,199
>> Um,
 

3705
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:45,590
>> Um,
>> I don't know what kind of content Saber

3706
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:45,600
>> I don't know what kind of content Saber
 

3707
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,310
>> I don't know what kind of content Saber
was making making before after he became

3708
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:48,320
was making making before after he became
 

3709
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,350
was making making before after he became
cartoon dude man. Um, I know he made he

3710
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:51,360
cartoon dude man. Um, I know he made he
 

3711
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,830
cartoon dude man. Um, I know he made he
started get his YouTube

3712
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:53,840
started get his YouTube
 

3713
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,310
started get his YouTube
um channel by making a documentary

3714
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:56,320
um channel by making a documentary
 

3715
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,470
um channel by making a documentary
called Ballad of the Brony that he made

3716
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:58,480
called Ballad of the Brony that he made
 

3717
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:01,750
called Ballad of the Brony that he made
for college. Um,

3718
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:01,760
for college. Um,
 

3719
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,030
for college. Um,
so

3720
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:03,040
so
 

3721
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,470
so
>> but you don't think that that would have

3722
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:04,480
>> but you don't think that that would have
 

3723
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,790
>> but you don't think that that would have
made him like at least a notable brony

3724
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:06,800
made him like at least a notable brony
 

3725
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,149
made him like at least a notable brony
figure that would have gotten

3726
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:08,159
figure that would have gotten
 

3727
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,390
figure that would have gotten
>> I remember. I remember I remember. Okay.

3728
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:10,400
>> I remember. I remember I remember. Okay.
 

3729
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,110
>> I remember. I remember I remember. Okay.
So, um, again, this was before this is

3730
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:13,120
So, um, again, this was before this is
 

3731
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,709
So, um, again, this was before this is
like still going on, but this was also

3732
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:14,719
like still going on, but this was also
 

3733
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,950
like still going on, but this was also
established before I was doing stuff.

3734
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:16,960
established before I was doing stuff.
 

3735
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,470
established before I was doing stuff.
So, um, every month I think little this

3736
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:20,480
So, um, every month I think little this
 

3737
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,189
So, um, every month I think little this
a YouTuber named Little Shy does this.

3738
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:23,199
a YouTuber named Little Shy does this.
 

3739
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:24,550
a YouTuber named Little Shy does this.
Yeah, this is just hard because this is

3740
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:24,560
Yeah, this is just hard because this is
 

3741
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,709
Yeah, this is just hard because this is
remembering like 10 like 10 years ago.

3742
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:26,719
remembering like 10 like 10 years ago.
 

3743
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:30,870
remembering like 10 like 10 years ago.
>> I get it. I get it. Um, no. Every month

3744
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:30,880
>> I get it. I get it. Um, no. Every month
 

3745
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,990
>> I get it. I get it. Um, no. Every month
they do a top 10 pony videos where

3746
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:34,000
they do a top 10 pony videos where
 

3747
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,270
they do a top 10 pony videos where
people vote on whatever fan content is

3748
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:37,280
people vote on whatever fan content is
 

3749
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,070
people vote on whatever fan content is
the best, quote unquote. So, uh,

3750
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:40,080
the best, quote unquote. So, uh,
 

3751
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,149
the best, quote unquote. So, uh,
different people have hosted that over

3752
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:42,159
different people have hosted that over
 

3753
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,790
different people have hosted that over
the years and Saber was one of the first

3754
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:44,800
the years and Saber was one of the first
 

3755
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,110
the years and Saber was one of the first
people to host that and so he would get

3756
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:47,120
people to host that and so he would get
 

3757
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,830
people to host that and so he would get
followers because of that. So, not

3758
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:49,840
followers because of that. So, not
 

3759
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,149
followers because of that. So, not
really for his personality, but it was

3760
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:52,159
really for his personality, but it was
 

3761
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,470
really for his personality, but it was
for a thing he was kind of doing at the

3762
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:54,480
for a thing he was kind of doing at the
 

3763
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:55,110
for a thing he was kind of doing at the
time.

3764
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:55,120
time.
 

3765
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,189
time.
>> Oh, okay.

3766
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:57,199
>> Oh, okay.
 

3767
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:58,709
>> Oh, okay.
Right. I'm just trying trying to figure

3768
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:58,719
Right. I'm just trying trying to figure
 

3769
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:00,390
Right. I'm just trying trying to figure
out how ingrained in the community he

3770
01:16:00,390 --> 01:16:00,400
out how ingrained in the community he
 

3771
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,110
out how ingrained in the community he
was that would get him like

3772
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:03,120
was that would get him like
 

3773
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,790
was that would get him like
later invited,

3774
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:04,800
later invited,
 

3775
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:05,270
later invited,
>> you know.

3776
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:05,280
>> you know.
 

3777
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,709
>> you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think I think to be

3778
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:08,719
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think I think to be
 

3779
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,709
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think I think to be
honest it was probably his Brony's react

3780
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:10,719
honest it was probably his Brony's react
 

3781
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,830
honest it was probably his Brony's react
stuff. Um, but I also probably figured

3782
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:13,840
stuff. Um, but I also probably figured
 

3783
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,870
stuff. Um, but I also probably figured
that um in the early days um like when

3784
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:16,880
that um in the early days um like when
 

3785
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:23,510
that um in the early days um like when
the first um incident took place um

3786
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:23,520
the first um incident took place um
 

3787
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,310
the first um incident took place um
he w like I think he was doing I think

3788
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:26,320
he w like I think he was doing I think
 

3789
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:27,910
he w like I think he was doing I think
he was doing a brony podcast or

3790
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:27,920
he was doing a brony podcast or
 

3791
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,870
he was doing a brony podcast or
something like that. So you know I don't

3792
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:30,880
something like that. So you know I don't
 

3793
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,750
something like that. So you know I don't
think like he was hot stuff. Um,

3794
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:33,760
think like he was hot stuff. Um,
 

3795
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,669
think like he was hot stuff. Um,
>> right. Cuz the most most of what they

3796
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:35,679
>> right. Cuz the most most of what they
 

3797
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:37,830
>> right. Cuz the most most of what they
will do for like panel things is they'll

3798
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:37,840
will do for like panel things is they'll
 

3799
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,590
will do for like panel things is they'll
invite people who do podcasting cont

3800
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:39,600
invite people who do podcasting cont
 

3801
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,910
invite people who do podcasting cont
like like I mentioned the Colossalon uh

3802
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:41,920
like like I mentioned the Colossalon uh
 

3803
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,910
like like I mentioned the Colossalon uh
group that I know that does um panels

3804
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:43,920
group that I know that does um panels
 

3805
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,950
group that I know that does um panels
are a podcast group. So that's how they

3806
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:46,960
are a podcast group. So that's how they
 

3807
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,669
are a podcast group. So that's how they
not get invited but like they'll pitch

3808
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:49,679
not get invited but like they'll pitch
 

3809
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,910
not get invited but like they'll pitch
themselves in order to get panels like

3810
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:51,920
themselves in order to get panels like
 

3811
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,590
themselves in order to get panels like
we're a podcast group and we do this

3812
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:53,600
we're a podcast group and we do this
 

3813
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,750
we're a podcast group and we do this
this and this. So, I was wondering if

3814
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:55,760
this and this. So, I was wondering if
 

3815
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,830
this and this. So, I was wondering if
like that's what it was. Like, did he

3816
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:57,840
like that's what it was. Like, did he
 

3817
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,390
like that's what it was. Like, did he
like it couldn't have possibly been that

3818
01:17:00,390 --> 01:17:00,400
like it couldn't have possibly been that
 

3819
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,550
like it couldn't have possibly been that
one singular ballot of the Brony video

3820
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:02,560
one singular ballot of the Brony video
 

3821
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,470
one singular ballot of the Brony video
that got him in like

3822
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:04,480
that got him in like
 

3823
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,630
that got him in like
>> ingrained into the Brony fandom. It had

3824
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:06,640
>> ingrained into the Brony fandom. It had
 

3825
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,790
>> ingrained into the Brony fandom. It had
to be other things, I'm guessing.

3826
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:08,800
to be other things, I'm guessing.
 

3827
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:09,990
to be other things, I'm guessing.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we're getting really deep

3828
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:10,000
>> Yeah. Yeah, we're getting really deep
 

3829
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,229
>> Yeah. Yeah, we're getting really deep
into it. No, he had a podcast called the

3830
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:12,239
into it. No, he had a podcast called the
 

3831
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,709
into it. No, he had a podcast called the
Brony B uh breakdown, I think it was

3832
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:14,719
Brony B uh breakdown, I think it was
 

3833
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:16,550
Brony B uh breakdown, I think it was
called. So, that's something the victims

3834
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:16,560
called. So, that's something the victims
 

3835
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,189
called. So, that's something the victims
mentioned on the Twitter um just for

3836
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:19,199
mentioned on the Twitter um just for
 

3837
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:19,510
mentioned on the Twitter um just for
Okay.

3838
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:19,520
Okay.
 

3839
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,310
Okay.
>> for reference. So, I think it's archived

3840
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:22,320
>> for reference. So, I think it's archived
 

3841
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,910
>> for reference. So, I think it's archived
somewhere. But him and his friend Paleo

3842
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:25,920
somewhere. But him and his friend Paleo
 

3843
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,430
somewhere. But him and his friend Paleo
Stetho, which is um

3844
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:29,440
Stetho, which is um
 

3845
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:33,590
Stetho, which is um
you know um his his friend guy um they

3846
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:33,600
you know um his his friend guy um they
 

3847
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,070
you know um his his friend guy um they
did it and I this was before I was in

3848
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:36,080
did it and I this was before I was in
 

3849
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,229
did it and I this was before I was in
the fandom so I have no experience with

3850
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:38,239
the fandom so I have no experience with
 

3851
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,070
the fandom so I have no experience with
the podcast, but I imagine that was kind

3852
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:40,080
the podcast, but I imagine that was kind
 

3853
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,870
the podcast, but I imagine that was kind
of what they were pitching themselves as

3854
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:42,880
of what they were pitching themselves as
 

3855
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,070
of what they were pitching themselves as
back in the day.

3856
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:44,080
back in the day.
 

3857
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,590
back in the day.
>> Right. Okay. I wouldn't have seen that

3858
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:45,600
>> Right. Okay. I wouldn't have seen that
 

3859
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,590
>> Right. Okay. I wouldn't have seen that
because I'm not on Twitter. I spare

3860
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:47,600
because I'm not on Twitter. I spare
 

3861
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,830
because I'm not on Twitter. I spare
myself the insanity. I spare myself the

3862
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:49,840
myself the insanity. I spare myself the
 

3863
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,189
myself the insanity. I spare myself the
insanity. I I just want to get more so a

3864
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:53,199
insanity. I I just want to get more so a
 

3865
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,750
insanity. I I just want to get more so a
perspective of like it's been a couple

3866
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:55,760
perspective of like it's been a couple
 

3867
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,070
perspective of like it's been a couple
days. I know it's been a stressful week.

3868
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:58,080
days. I know it's been a stressful week.
 

3869
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,189
days. I know it's been a stressful week.
Um and I'm sure given

3870
01:18:01,189 --> 01:18:01,199
Um and I'm sure given
 

3871
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:03,750
Um and I'm sure given
the backlash, right? You've been you've

3872
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:03,760
the backlash, right? You've been you've
 

3873
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,229
the backlash, right? You've been you've
had some time to kind of reflect on it,

3874
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:06,239
had some time to kind of reflect on it,
 

3875
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:07,350
had some time to kind of reflect on it,
right?

3876
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:07,360
right?
 

3877
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:08,310
right?
>> Yeah. Um

3878
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:08,320
>> Yeah. Um
 

3879
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,550
>> Yeah. Um
>> you do understand

3880
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:10,560
>> you do understand
 

3881
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,229
>> you do understand
why people are upset. Like could you

3882
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:12,239
why people are upset. Like could you
 

3883
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,030
why people are upset. Like could you
like in your perspective explain what

3884
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:15,040
like in your perspective explain what
 

3885
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:16,709
like in your perspective explain what
what was wrong with the video and where

3886
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:16,719
what was wrong with the video and where
 

3887
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:19,910
what was wrong with the video and where
you know you kind of cuz I know that I

3888
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:19,920
you know you kind of cuz I know that I
 

3889
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,669
you know you kind of cuz I know that I
asked you right like I was very harsh

3890
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:21,679
asked you right like I was very harsh
 

3891
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:23,669
asked you right like I was very harsh
the first time we spoke obviously

3892
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:23,679
the first time we spoke obviously
 

3893
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:25,750
the first time we spoke obviously
because I was upset I was a little upset

3894
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:25,760
because I was upset I was a little upset
 

3895
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,110
because I was upset I was a little upset
but like I do want to make sure 100%

3896
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:29,120
but like I do want to make sure 100%
 

3897
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,669
but like I do want to make sure 100%
that you do understand

3898
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:31,679
that you do understand
 

3899
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:33,510
that you do understand
like where it is that you messed up cuz

3900
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:33,520
like where it is that you messed up cuz
 

3901
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:34,870
like where it is that you messed up cuz
when I asked you were like yeah I I

3902
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:34,880
when I asked you were like yeah I I
 

3903
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,430
when I asked you were like yeah I I
understand but like no sit down with me

3904
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:37,440
understand but like no sit down with me
 

3905
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:40,709
understand but like no sit down with me
and explain it to me from you from your

3906
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:40,719
and explain it to me from you from your
 

3907
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:43,189
and explain it to me from you from your
words from your perspective, you

3908
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:43,199
words from your perspective, you
 

3909
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:45,750
words from your perspective, you
understand where you [\h__\h] up and what

3910
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:45,760
understand where you [\h__\h] up and what
 

3911
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,430
understand where you [\h__\h] up and what
it was that that was the problem with

3912
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:47,440
it was that that was the problem with
 

3913
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:48,229
it was that that was the problem with
that video.

3914
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:48,239
that video.
 

3915
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:52,310
that video.
>> Okay. Um so, um Okay. So, my state I

3916
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:52,320
>> Okay. Um so, um Okay. So, my state I
 

3917
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,470
>> Okay. Um so, um Okay. So, my state I
made a statement um on Twitter like a

3918
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:54,480
made a statement um on Twitter like a
 

3919
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,709
made a statement um on Twitter like a
couple of days ago just to let like you

3920
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:56,719
couple of days ago just to let like you
 

3921
01:18:56,719 --> 01:18:58,630
couple of days ago just to let like you
know, let people know that, you know, I

3922
01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:58,640
know, let people know that, you know, I
 

3923
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,790
know, let people know that, you know, I
was sorry and everything. And so, one of

3924
01:19:00,790 --> 01:19:00,800
was sorry and everything. And so, one of
 

3925
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,390
was sorry and everything. And so, one of
the things that's been misconstrued, I

3926
01:19:02,390 --> 01:19:02,400
the things that's been misconstrued, I
 

3927
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,910
the things that's been misconstrued, I
think it was in the cartoon sheet video.

3928
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:03,920
think it was in the cartoon sheet video.
 

3929
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:05,990
think it was in the cartoon sheet video.
I have I don't have watch the cartoon

3930
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:06,000
I have I don't have watch the cartoon
 

3931
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,709
I have I don't have watch the cartoon
sheet video right now that um I said

3932
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:08,719
sheet video right now that um I said
 

3933
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,030
sheet video right now that um I said
this is my first time um covering

3934
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:11,040
this is my first time um covering
 

3935
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,830
this is my first time um covering
something like this and what I meant was

3936
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:13,840
something like this and what I meant was
 

3937
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,950
something like this and what I meant was
this is the first time I'm um exposing

3938
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:16,960
this is the first time I'm um exposing
 

3939
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,270
this is the first time I'm um exposing
new testimonies um specifically the

3940
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:19,280
new testimonies um specifically the
 

3941
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,669
new testimonies um specifically the
Saber one to like the general masses and

3942
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:21,679
Saber one to like the general masses and
 

3943
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:23,669
Saber one to like the general masses and
dealing with um kind of talking with

3944
01:19:23,669 --> 01:19:23,679
dealing with um kind of talking with
 

3945
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:27,189
dealing with um kind of talking with
victims. Um, the Lily stuff, um, was

3946
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:27,199
victims. Um, the Lily stuff, um, was
 

3947
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,270
victims. Um, the Lily stuff, um, was
mostly my direct experience with Lily

3948
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:29,280
mostly my direct experience with Lily
 

3949
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,990
mostly my direct experience with Lily
and then Courtney and Brit talking in

3950
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:32,000
and then Courtney and Brit talking in
 

3951
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,669
and then Courtney and Brit talking in
there, but Courtney and Brit's stories

3952
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:33,679
there, but Courtney and Brit's stories
 

3953
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:35,350
there, but Courtney and Brit's stories
were already pretty established at that

3954
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:35,360
were already pretty established at that
 

3955
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:36,709
were already pretty established at that
point. So, it was just kind of like an

3956
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:36,719
point. So, it was just kind of like an
 

3957
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:40,390
point. So, it was just kind of like an
extra thing to to kind of add. So, um,

3958
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:40,400
extra thing to to kind of add. So, um,
 

3959
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,990
extra thing to to kind of add. So, um,
just just to clarify that one. Um,

3960
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:44,000
just just to clarify that one. Um,
 

3961
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,830
just just to clarify that one. Um,
>> so what you meant by first time is like

3962
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:45,840
>> so what you meant by first time is like
 

3963
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,630
>> so what you meant by first time is like
an independent investigation, not like

3964
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:48,640
an independent investigation, not like
 

3965
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,030
an independent investigation, not like
addressing serious cuz like

3966
01:19:51,030 --> 01:19:51,040
addressing serious cuz like
 

3967
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,110
addressing serious cuz like
>> what I think he was confused by when you

3968
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:53,120
>> what I think he was confused by when you
 

3969
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,630
>> what I think he was confused by when you
said first time is like, well, you've

3970
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:54,640
said first time is like, well, you've
 

3971
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,870
said first time is like, well, you've
talked about serious things in the past.

3972
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:56,880
talked about serious things in the past.
 

3973
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:57,750
talked about serious things in the past.
Right. Right.

3974
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:57,760
Right. Right.
 

3975
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,430
Right. Right.
>> So like you know how to do it into

3976
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:59,440
>> So like you know how to do it into
 

3977
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:01,030
>> So like you know how to do it into
quorum, but I guess when you meant first

3978
01:20:01,030 --> 01:20:01,040
quorum, but I guess when you meant first
 

3979
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,550
quorum, but I guess when you meant first
time, it was more so this is my first

3980
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:02,560
time, it was more so this is my first
 

3981
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,510
time, it was more so this is my first
time doing an independent investigation.

3982
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:05,520
time doing an independent investigation.
 

3983
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:09,350
time doing an independent investigation.
>> Right. um which you know like I I guess

3984
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:09,360
>> Right. um which you know like I I guess
 

3985
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,590
>> Right. um which you know like I I guess
I should have clarified that but like

3986
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:11,600
I should have clarified that but like
 

3987
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,149
I should have clarified that but like
even in relations to the Lily video as

3988
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:14,159
even in relations to the Lily video as
 

3989
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:18,149
even in relations to the Lily video as
everyone is telling me that um

3990
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:18,159
everyone is telling me that um
 

3991
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:19,590
everyone is telling me that um
you know I didn't really put a lot of

3992
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:19,600
you know I didn't really put a lot of
 

3993
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,030
you know I didn't really put a lot of
jokes in there um obvious like for

3994
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:23,040
jokes in there um obvious like for
 

3995
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,790
jokes in there um obvious like for
obvious reasons I think um I think we

3996
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:26,800
obvious reasons I think um I think we
 

3997
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,430
obvious reasons I think um I think we
were just kind of in auto mode as far as

3998
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:29,440
were just kind of in auto mode as far as
 

3999
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,510
were just kind of in auto mode as far as
just putting the jokes in there and then

4000
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:31,520
just putting the jokes in there and then
 

4001
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,310
just putting the jokes in there and then
part of it was

4002
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:34,320
part of it was
 

4003
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,750
part of it was
like me talking about my experience with

4004
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:37,760
like me talking about my experience with
 

4005
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,390
like me talking about my experience with
Chris directly. So, the assumption

4006
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:42,400
Chris directly. So, the assumption
 

4007
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,790
Chris directly. So, the assumption
um from my my friend who helped me write

4008
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:44,800
um from my my friend who helped me write
 

4009
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,470
um from my my friend who helped me write
the script kind of thing was was she was

4010
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:46,480
the script kind of thing was was she was
 

4011
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:48,070
the script kind of thing was was she was
talking we were we're having extensive

4012
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:48,080
talking we were we're having extensive
 

4013
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,830
talking we were we're having extensive
conversations about this, but she was

4014
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:49,840
conversations about this, but she was
 

4015
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,830
conversations about this, but she was
talking about how um oh, she's she's my

4016
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:53,840
talking about how um oh, she's she's my
 

4017
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,510
talking about how um oh, she's she's my
mod skink if if you need to know that.

4018
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:55,520
mod skink if if you need to know that.
 

4019
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,669
mod skink if if you need to know that.
Um she's a mod in my server, but anyway,

4020
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:57,679
Um she's a mod in my server, but anyway,
 

4021
01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:01,910
Um she's a mod in my server, but anyway,
um she's also um a CSA survivor as well.

4022
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:01,920
um she's also um a CSA survivor as well.
 

4023
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,750
um she's also um a CSA survivor as well.
Not that that matters or anything like

4024
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:03,760
Not that that matters or anything like
 

4025
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,550
Not that that matters or anything like
oh it it does matter but like just for

4026
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:06,560
oh it it does matter but like just for
 

4027
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,470
oh it it does matter but like just for
the record and she wanted to be

4028
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:08,480
the record and she wanted to be
 

4029
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,229
the record and she wanted to be
supportive in like a way of you know

4030
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:10,239
supportive in like a way of you know
 

4031
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,070
supportive in like a way of you know
tell your story however you want to tell

4032
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:12,080
tell your story however you want to tell
 

4033
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,790
tell your story however you want to tell
it and how I cope is with awkward jokes

4034
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:14,800
it and how I cope is with awkward jokes
 

4035
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,790
it and how I cope is with awkward jokes
and stuff like that. So

4036
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:16,800
and stuff like that. So
 

4037
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:17,430
and stuff like that. So
>> I get that

4038
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:17,440
>> I get that
 

4039
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,390
>> I get that
>> part Yeah. So part of it was me trying

4040
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:20,400
>> part Yeah. So part of it was me trying
 

4041
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,149
>> part Yeah. So part of it was me trying
to kind of cope with the lack of

4042
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:22,159
to kind of cope with the lack of
 

4043
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,229
to kind of cope with the lack of
responsibility that everyone was taking

4044
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:24,239
responsibility that everyone was taking
 

4045
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:27,110
responsibility that everyone was taking
around Chris. Um but I understand in

4046
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:27,120
around Chris. Um but I understand in
 

4047
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,070
around Chris. Um but I understand in
hindsight that made the

4048
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:30,080
hindsight that made the
 

4049
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,390
hindsight that made the
Well, yeah.

4050
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:32,400
Well, yeah.
 

4051
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:33,990
Well, yeah.
I don't want to say watered down, but it

4052
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:34,000
I don't want to say watered down, but it
 

4053
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,390
I don't want to say watered down, but it
kind of it hurt the credibility of what

4054
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:36,400
kind of it hurt the credibility of what
 

4055
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,390
kind of it hurt the credibility of what
I was talking about. And then I think

4056
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:38,400
I was talking about. And then I think
 

4057
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,390
I was talking about. And then I think
the worst of it was the piss on the moon

4058
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:40,400
the worst of it was the piss on the moon
 

4059
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,070
the worst of it was the piss on the moon
bit. So to be clear, um

4060
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:44,080
bit. So to be clear, um
 

4061
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,430
bit. So to be clear, um
um the saber victim did watch the the

4062
01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:47,440
um the saber victim did watch the the
 

4063
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,149
um the saber victim did watch the the
full render before it was came out and

4064
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:50,159
full render before it was came out and
 

4065
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,790
full render before it was came out and
and um you know they

4066
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:52,800
and um you know they
 

4067
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,070
and um you know they
>> of the video or that of that segment?

4068
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:56,080
>> of the video or that of that segment?
 

4069
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,830
>> of the video or that of that segment?
>> The whole video.

4070
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:57,840
>> The whole video.
 

4071
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,790
>> The whole video.
>> Okay. the the DA games um people saw

4072
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:02,800
>> Okay. the the DA games um people saw
 

4073
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,750
>> Okay. the the DA games um people saw
leading up to that, but I like

4074
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:05,760
leading up to that, but I like
 

4075
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,990
leading up to that, but I like
one of one of them gave feedback on a

4076
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:08,000
one of one of them gave feedback on a
 

4077
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,870
one of one of them gave feedback on a
render I think with the Saber stuff, but

4078
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:10,880
render I think with the Saber stuff, but
 

4079
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,510
render I think with the Saber stuff, but
um the other one didn't, but they were

4080
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:13,520
um the other one didn't, but they were
 

4081
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,830
um the other one didn't, but they were
aware of like the interview and they

4082
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:15,840
aware of like the interview and they
 

4083
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:16,950
aware of like the interview and they
asked us to make changes to the

4084
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:16,960
asked us to make changes to the
 

4085
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,310
asked us to make changes to the
interview and the stuff leading up to

4086
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:18,320
interview and the stuff leading up to
 

4087
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,470
interview and the stuff leading up to
it. So, what they what they were talking

4088
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:20,480
it. So, what they what they were talking
 

4089
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,070
it. So, what they what they were talking
about is um I had a conversation with

4090
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:24,080
about is um I had a conversation with
 

4091
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,950
about is um I had a conversation with
one of the DA games victims about the

4092
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:26,960
one of the DA games victims about the
 

4093
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,070
one of the DA games victims about the
jokes like early on, but the the way I I

4094
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:32,080
jokes like early on, but the the way I I
 

4095
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,470
jokes like early on, but the the way I I
saw it is, you know, this is this is my

4096
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:34,480
saw it is, you know, this is this is my
 

4097
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:38,390
saw it is, you know, this is this is my
story. you know, I kind of want to like

4098
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:38,400
story. you know, I kind of want to like
 

4099
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,110
story. you know, I kind of want to like
kind of jab at the ridiculous of itness

4100
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:41,120
kind of jab at the ridiculous of itness
 

4101
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,910
kind of jab at the ridiculous of itness
of it because um this whole process of

4102
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:45,920
of it because um this whole process of
 

4103
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,950
of it because um this whole process of
doing this video um not only besides it

4104
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:48,960
doing this video um not only besides it
 

4105
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,189
doing this video um not only besides it
being a lot of hard work, but it was

4106
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:51,199
being a lot of hard work, but it was
 

4107
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:53,750
being a lot of hard work, but it was
very emotionally draining to have to

4108
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:53,760
very emotionally draining to have to
 

4109
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,310
very emotionally draining to have to
kind of re like not that it's about me

4110
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:56,320
kind of re like not that it's about me
 

4111
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,350
kind of re like not that it's about me
kind of thing, but like um so I think I

4112
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:59,360
kind of thing, but like um so I think I
 

4113
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,189
kind of thing, but like um so I think I
used the jokes in there to kind of cope

4114
01:23:01,189 --> 01:23:01,199
used the jokes in there to kind of cope
 

4115
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:03,110
used the jokes in there to kind of cope
with the also the process of making the

4116
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:03,120
with the also the process of making the
 

4117
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,750
with the also the process of making the
video and the process make a video about

4118
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:05,760
video and the process make a video about
 

4119
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,350
video and the process make a video about
this like that it wasn't just

4120
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:07,360
this like that it wasn't just
 

4121
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,950
this like that it wasn't just
automatically solved. So, um but yeah, I

4122
01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:10,960
automatically solved. So, um but yeah, I
 

4123
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,590
automatically solved. So, um but yeah, I
understand I understand in hindsight and

4124
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:13,600
understand I understand in hindsight and
 

4125
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,070
understand I understand in hindsight and
I think the biggest thing the piss on

4126
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:16,080
I think the biggest thing the piss on
 

4127
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,390
I think the biggest thing the piss on
the moon bit um which I think we talked

4128
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:20,400
the moon bit um which I think we talked
 

4129
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,910
the moon bit um which I think we talked
about to before but to reiterate was be

4130
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:23,920
about to before but to reiterate was be
 

4131
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,709
about to before but to reiterate was be
originally a response to Saber just kind

4132
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:26,719
originally a response to Saber just kind
 

4133
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,669
originally a response to Saber just kind
of being um not making the best PR

4134
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:29,679
of being um not making the best PR
 

4135
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:33,030
of being um not making the best PR
decisions. Um it was not a

4136
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:33,040
decisions. Um it was not a
 

4137
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,750
decisions. Um it was not a
um but yeah having it lead into the the

4138
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:35,760
um but yeah having it lead into the the
 

4139
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,470
um but yeah having it lead into the the
the victim testimony was a very bad idea

4140
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:38,480
the victim testimony was a very bad idea
 

4141
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:43,350
the victim testimony was a very bad idea
and I feel I feel very stupid but um

4142
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:43,360
and I feel I feel very stupid but um
 

4143
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,390
and I feel I feel very stupid but um
yeah so tonally we didn't change any

4144
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:46,400
yeah so tonally we didn't change any
 

4145
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,470
yeah so tonally we didn't change any
much of the video when the victim came

4146
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:48,480
much of the video when the victim came
 

4147
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,590
much of the video when the victim came
forward and that was um a dumb move but

4148
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:51,600
forward and that was um a dumb move but
 

4149
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,590
forward and that was um a dumb move but
yeah I think I think part of it was just

4150
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:53,600
yeah I think I think part of it was just
 

4151
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,189
yeah I think I think part of it was just
kind of cope through the process of

4152
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:55,199
kind of cope through the process of
 

4153
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:59,590
kind of cope through the process of
making the video and me um

4154
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:59,600
making the video and me um
 

4155
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,229
making the video and me um
having to hear like these horrible

4156
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:02,239
having to hear like these horrible
 

4157
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,790
having to hear like these horrible
stories over and over again with uh via

4158
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:04,800
stories over and over again with uh via
 

4159
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,310
stories over and over again with uh via
the editing process.

4160
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:06,320
the editing process.
 

4161
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,470
the editing process.
>> So, not that that

4162
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:08,480
>> So, not that that
 

4163
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:10,950
>> So, not that that
um is an excuse, but I guess you can I

4164
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:10,960
um is an excuse, but I guess you can I
 

4165
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,070
um is an excuse, but I guess you can I
hope you can see where I'm coming from

4166
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:12,080
hope you can see where I'm coming from
 

4167
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:12,550
hope you can see where I'm coming from
with that.

4168
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:12,560
with that.
 

4169
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,310
with that.
>> No, I understand. And I've already told

4170
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:14,320
>> No, I understand. And I've already told
 

4171
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,510
>> No, I understand. And I've already told
you this, right? Cuz if I also put

4172
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:17,520
you this, right? Cuz if I also put
 

4173
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,189
you this, right? Cuz if I also put
little jokes in my videos, right, about

4174
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:19,199
little jokes in my videos, right, about
 

4175
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:22,070
little jokes in my videos, right, about
serious [\h__\h] I can't talk [\h__\h] right?

4176
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:22,080
serious [\h__\h] I can't talk [\h__\h] right?
 

4177
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,590
serious [\h__\h] I can't talk [\h__\h] right?
I'm not going to criticize you for your

4178
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:23,600
I'm not going to criticize you for your
 

4179
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,390
I'm not going to criticize you for your
tone. Like, I I clearly would be a

4180
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:26,400
tone. Like, I I clearly would be a
 

4181
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,270
tone. Like, I I clearly would be a
hypocrite if I did that. I I told you my

4182
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:29,280
hypocrite if I did that. I I told you my
 

4183
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,189
hypocrite if I did that. I I told you my
problems with the video was mostly how

4184
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:31,199
problems with the video was mostly how
 

4185
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,350
problems with the video was mostly how
much of an how disorganized it really

4186
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:33,360
much of an how disorganized it really
 

4187
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,990
much of an how disorganized it really
was and how because it was so confusing

4188
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:36,000
was and how because it was so confusing
 

4189
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,910
was and how because it was so confusing
to understand what was going on. It was

4190
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:37,920
to understand what was going on. It was
 

4191
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,750
to understand what was going on. It was
very

4192
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:39,760
very
 

4193
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,430
very
hard to wrap around like what the actual

4194
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:43,440
hard to wrap around like what the actual
 

4195
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,270
hard to wrap around like what the actual
if there were any serious allegations in

4196
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:45,280
if there were any serious allegations in
 

4197
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,950
if there were any serious allegations in
there what they actually really were.

4198
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:46,960
there what they actually really were.
 

4199
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,790
there what they actually really were.
Like I've seen this video twice and I

4200
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:48,800
Like I've seen this video twice and I
 

4201
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,229
Like I've seen this video twice and I
still am a little confused of what what

4202
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:50,239
still am a little confused of what what
 

4203
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:52,950
still am a little confused of what what
the hell DA Games even did, you know?

4204
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:52,960
the hell DA Games even did, you know?
 

4205
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:53,350
the hell DA Games even did, you know?
Like

4206
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:53,360
Like
 

4207
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,270
Like
>> No, that's fair. That's fair. No, I mean

4208
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:55,280
>> No, that's fair. That's fair. No, I mean
 

4209
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,709
>> No, that's fair. That's fair. No, I mean
that's why I'm even talking

4210
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:58,719
that's why I'm even talking
 

4211
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:00,390
that's why I'm even talking
like we're we're mostly talking about

4212
01:25:00,390 --> 01:25:00,400
like we're we're mostly talking about
 

4213
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,830
like we're we're mostly talking about
stuff related to the saber victim

4214
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:01,840
stuff related to the saber victim
 

4215
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:06,149
stuff related to the saber victim
because I want to make sure that like

4216
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:06,159
because I want to make sure that like
 

4217
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:07,910
because I want to make sure that like
you know the correct information is out

4218
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:07,920
you know the correct information is out
 

4219
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,750
you know the correct information is out
there

4220
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:09,760
there
 

4221
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,910
there
you know first before people start kind

4222
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:11,920
you know first before people start kind
 

4223
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,950
you know first before people start kind
of assuming things. Um, so you know, I'm

4224
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:14,960
of assuming things. Um, so you know, I'm
 

4225
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,750
of assuming things. Um, so you know, I'm
not here to to, you know, dismiss myself

4226
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:17,760
not here to to, you know, dismiss myself
 

4227
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,750
not here to to, you know, dismiss myself
from the video. Like I I got to think

4228
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:19,760
from the video. Like I I got to think
 

4229
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,830
from the video. Like I I got to think
about that more to Well, I got to think

4230
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:21,840
about that more to Well, I got to think
 

4231
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,070
about that more to Well, I got to think
about how to deal with that more, but

4232
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:24,080
about how to deal with that more, but
 

4233
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,950
about how to deal with that more, but
that's a that's a that's an aside thing.

4234
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:26,960
that's a that's a that's an aside thing.
 

4235
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:31,110
that's a that's a that's an aside thing.
Um but yeah, so I think so yeah, it was

4236
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:31,120
Um but yeah, so I think so yeah, it was
 

4237
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,590
Um but yeah, so I think so yeah, it was
originally with Chris and then we

4238
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:33,600
originally with Chris and then we
 

4239
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,550
originally with Chris and then we
realized um and then it was the emails

4240
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:36,560
realized um and then it was the emails
 

4241
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,229
realized um and then it was the emails
with DA Games where they um clearly were

4242
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:40,239
with DA Games where they um clearly were
 

4243
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:42,950
with DA Games where they um clearly were
not willing to do um they were clearly

4244
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:42,960
not willing to do um they were clearly
 

4245
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,189
not willing to do um they were clearly
not willing to do anything because Chris

4246
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:45,199
not willing to do anything because Chris
 

4247
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:48,790
not willing to do anything because Chris
and Will are are close friends. Um, so I

4248
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:48,800
and Will are are close friends. Um, so I
 

4249
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,870
and Will are are close friends. Um, so I
I knew I knew going in he wasn't getting

4250
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:50,880
I knew I knew going in he wasn't getting
 

4251
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,030
I knew I knew going in he wasn't getting
fired, but I I was like, "Hey, I felt

4252
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:53,040
fired, but I I was like, "Hey, I felt
 

4253
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,470
fired, but I I was like, "Hey, I felt
like it was fair to be like, "Hey, we're

4254
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:54,480
like it was fair to be like, "Hey, we're
 

4255
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:57,430
like it was fair to be like, "Hey, we're
going to release report about Chris. Um,

4256
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:57,440
going to release report about Chris. Um,
 

4257
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,189
going to release report about Chris. Um,
do you guys want to do anything before

4258
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:59,199
do you guys want to do anything before
 

4259
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:06,070
do you guys want to do anything before
we we do that?" Um, and um they Yeah. So

4260
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:06,080
we we do that?" Um, and um they Yeah. So
 

4261
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,310
we we do that?" Um, and um they Yeah. So
that was what you read um in the video

4262
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:08,320
that was what you read um in the video
 

4263
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,470
that was what you read um in the video
is like basically we're content to not

4264
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:10,480
is like basically we're content to not
 

4265
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:14,709
is like basically we're content to not
do anything. And I'm like, uh, and then

4266
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:14,719
do anything. And I'm like, uh, and then
 

4267
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:16,390
do anything. And I'm like, uh, and then
eventually they started using British

4268
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:16,400
eventually they started using British
 

4269
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,709
eventually they started using British
law to try to threaten me. And, uh, when

4270
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:18,719
law to try to threaten me. And, uh, when
 

4271
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:22,870
law to try to threaten me. And, uh, when
I looked up British law, um, it it

4272
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:22,880
I looked up British law, um, it it
 

4273
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,149
I looked up British law, um, it it
didn't it didn't add up. So, she, um, I

4274
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:26,159
didn't it didn't add up. So, she, um, I
 

4275
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:29,030
didn't it didn't add up. So, she, um, I
believe Lori, the the the HR person at

4276
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:29,040
believe Lori, the the the HR person at
 

4277
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,350
believe Lori, the the the HR person at
DA Games, uses a lot like is a Kiwi

4278
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:31,360
DA Games, uses a lot like is a Kiwi
 

4279
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,590
DA Games, uses a lot like is a Kiwi
farmer person and uses a lot of scary

4280
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:33,600
farmer person and uses a lot of scary
 

4281
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,550
farmer person and uses a lot of scary
language when victims want to come out.

4282
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:36,560
language when victims want to come out.
 

4283
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,510
language when victims want to come out.
Like, she's used similar tactics with

4284
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:39,520
Like, she's used similar tactics with
 

4285
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,750
Like, she's used similar tactics with
the other victims.

4286
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:41,760
the other victims.
 

4287
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,950
the other victims.
um before and even this is not public

4288
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:44,960
um before and even this is not public
 

4289
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,790
um before and even this is not public
information but um it will be

4290
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:46,800
information but um it will be
 

4291
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,709
information but um it will be
eventually. Um they hired a law firm to

4292
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:50,719
eventually. Um they hired a law firm to
 

4293
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:53,110
eventually. Um they hired a law firm to
send me a cease and desist

4294
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:53,120
send me a cease and desist
 

4295
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,229
send me a cease and desist
>> um in in Britain but I I know what a

4296
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:56,239
>> um in in Britain but I I know what a
 

4297
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,189
>> um in in Britain but I I know what a
cease and desist is and um they were

4298
01:26:59,189 --> 01:26:59,199
cease and desist is and um they were
 

4299
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,750
cease and desist is and um they were
kind of really sloppy as far as

4300
01:27:01,750 --> 01:27:01,760
kind of really sloppy as far as
 

4301
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,470
kind of really sloppy as far as
presentation about it. Um and you can't

4302
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:04,480
presentation about it. Um and you can't
 

4303
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,310
presentation about it. Um and you can't
cease and desist something that isn't

4304
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:06,320
cease and desist something that isn't
 

4305
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,550
cease and desist something that isn't
existing in the first or hasn't existed

4306
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:08,560
existing in the first or hasn't existed
 

4307
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,470
existing in the first or hasn't existed
in the first place anyway. So, um, but

4308
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:12,480
in the first place anyway. So, um, but
 

4309
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:16,470
in the first place anyway. So, um, but
but yeah, they were, um, it was what

4310
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:16,480
but yeah, they were, um, it was what
 

4311
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:20,070
but yeah, they were, um, it was what
Will needs to do is own up to this [\h__\h]

4312
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:20,080
Will needs to do is own up to this [\h__\h]
 

4313
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,550
Will needs to do is own up to this [\h__\h]
and say how he's going to be better and

4314
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:22,560
and say how he's going to be better and
 

4315
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,229
and say how he's going to be better and
say how he's going to protect the kids

4316
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:24,239
say how he's going to protect the kids
 

4317
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,750
say how he's going to protect the kids
in his community or not have

4318
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:27,760
in his community or not have
 

4319
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,950
in his community or not have
um, and he sounds like he's from what

4320
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:30,960
um, and he sounds like he's from what
 

4321
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,669
um, and he sounds like he's from what
the victims have described um, in the

4322
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:33,679
the victims have described um, in the
 

4323
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,510
the victims have described um, in the
interview, he sounds very mentally ill.

4324
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:35,520
interview, he sounds very mentally ill.
 

4325
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,990
interview, he sounds very mentally ill.
I have no relation with Will, so I I

4326
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:38,000
I have no relation with Will, so I I
 

4327
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,910
I have no relation with Will, so I I
don't, you know, I assume they're

4328
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:39,920
don't, you know, I assume they're
 

4329
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,030
don't, you know, I assume they're
correct. Um, and he needs to step away,

4330
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:43,040
correct. Um, and he needs to step away,
 

4331
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,870
correct. Um, and he needs to step away,
but it seems like everyone is enabling

4332
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:46,880
but it seems like everyone is enabling
 

4333
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,470
but it seems like everyone is enabling
him because they are supported

4334
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:48,480
him because they are supported
 

4335
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:51,030
him because they are supported
financially on his business.

4336
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:51,040
financially on his business.
 

4337
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,390
financially on his business.
>> Um, and that kind of creates like a

4338
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:54,400
>> Um, and that kind of creates like a
 

4339
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,229
>> Um, and that kind of creates like a
whole

4340
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:56,239
whole
 

4341
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:59,990
whole
pattern of like enabling, I guess, with

4342
01:27:59,990 --> 01:28:00,000
pattern of like enabling, I guess, with
 

4343
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,709
pattern of like enabling, I guess, with
within with within everything. So, um,

4344
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:04,719
within with within everything. So, um,
 

4345
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:07,110
within with within everything. So, um,
you know, I think Will is really

4346
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:07,120
you know, I think Will is really
 

4347
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,669
you know, I think Will is really
embarrassed. Well, I don't know. I don't

4348
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:09,679
embarrassed. Well, I don't know. I don't
 

4349
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:11,590
embarrassed. Well, I don't know. I don't
know Will that well, but Will might be

4350
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:11,600
know Will that well, but Will might be
 

4351
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,790
know Will that well, but Will might be
just kind of

4352
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:14,800
just kind of
 

4353
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,189
just kind of
doesn't want to harm the company's

4354
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:17,199
doesn't want to harm the company's
 

4355
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:19,270
doesn't want to harm the company's
reputation by admitting to allegations

4356
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:19,280
reputation by admitting to allegations
 

4357
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,149
reputation by admitting to allegations
that are that are documented and logged.

4358
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:22,159
that are that are documented and logged.
 

4359
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:25,510
that are that are documented and logged.
>> Um, but I don't think that's really

4360
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:25,520
>> Um, but I don't think that's really
 

4361
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,510
>> Um, but I don't think that's really
working anymore. Um,

4362
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:27,520
working anymore. Um,
 

4363
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,550
working anymore. Um,
>> sure. for the DA stuff. As far as I'm

4364
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:30,560
>> sure. for the DA stuff. As far as I'm
 

4365
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,790
>> sure. for the DA stuff. As far as I'm
like, as I've come to understand it,

4366
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:32,800
like, as I've come to understand it,
 

4367
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,070
like, as I've come to understand it,
there's like a paper trail, right?

4368
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:34,080
there's like a paper trail, right?
 

4369
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,070
there's like a paper trail, right?
There's like there's, you know, stuff

4370
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:36,080
There's like there's, you know, stuff
 

4371
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,070
There's like there's, you know, stuff
from their Discord server, screenshots

4372
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:38,080
from their Discord server, screenshots
 

4373
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:38,870
from their Discord server, screenshots
and all that.

4374
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:38,880
and all that.
 

4375
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,629
and all that.
>> I can give you um I can give you the

4376
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:40,639
>> I can give you um I can give you the
 

4377
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:42,229
>> I can give you um I can give you the
document if you'd like. But yeah, that's

4378
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:42,239
document if you'd like. But yeah, that's
 

4379
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:44,870
document if you'd like. But yeah, that's
>> I think I have access to it. Um cuz it

4380
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:44,880
>> I think I have access to it. Um cuz it
 

4381
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,470
>> I think I have access to it. Um cuz it
was I think it was posted in one of the

4382
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:46,480
was I think it was posted in one of the
 

4383
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,709
was I think it was posted in one of the
servers I was in cuz I was asking about

4384
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:48,719
servers I was in cuz I was asking about
 

4385
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:51,669
servers I was in cuz I was asking about
like where the mega thread of the

4386
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:51,679
like where the mega thread of the
 

4387
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:53,110
like where the mega thread of the
information was cuz I think you provided

4388
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:53,120
information was cuz I think you provided
 

4389
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,270
information was cuz I think you provided
it in your description, but then the

4390
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:55,280
it in your description, but then the
 

4391
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:55,990
it in your description, but then the
video got

4392
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:56,000
video got
 

4393
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,590
video got
>> the video went down. Yeah, that's that's

4394
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:57,600
>> the video went down. Yeah, that's that's
 

4395
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:57,910
>> the video went down. Yeah, that's that's
fair.

4396
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:57,920
fair.
 

4397
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,590
fair.
>> And I went and grabbed that before, but

4398
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:59,600
>> And I went and grabbed that before, but
 

4399
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,350
>> And I went and grabbed that before, but
somebody grabbed it for me, I think.

4400
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:01,360
somebody grabbed it for me, I think.
 

4401
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,510
somebody grabbed it for me, I think.
>> Yeah. And then um I have a personal

4402
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:03,520
>> Yeah. And then um I have a personal
 

4403
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,950
>> Yeah. And then um I have a personal
antidote from that. So, um the other

4404
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:06,960
antidote from that. So, um the other
 

4405
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,470
antidote from that. So, um the other
thing too that I wanted to add um is the

4406
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:10,480
thing too that I wanted to add um is the
 

4407
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:15,430
thing too that I wanted to add um is the
reason we even had a um the beginning

4408
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:15,440
reason we even had a um the beginning
 

4409
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,110
reason we even had a um the beginning
section where we were going over the

4410
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:17,120
section where we were going over the
 

4411
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,750
section where we were going over the
Reddit comment. So, um, for those who

4412
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:19,760
Reddit comment. So, um, for those who
 

4413
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,470
Reddit comment. So, um, for those who
are unaware, um, there was something

4414
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:22,480
are unaware, um, there was something
 

4415
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:27,189
are unaware, um, there was something
similar that happened in 2016 and, um,

4416
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:27,199
similar that happened in 2016 and, um,
 

4417
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:32,149
similar that happened in 2016 and, um,
basically four friends, two that had

4418
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:32,159
basically four friends, two that had
 

4419
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:33,990
basically four friends, two that had
like one that had a positive experience

4420
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:34,000
like one that had a positive experience
 

4421
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,590
like one that had a positive experience
working for me, one one who had a

4422
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:35,600
working for me, one one who had a
 

4423
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,030
working for me, one one who had a
neutral one, um, one who was fired, and

4424
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:39,040
neutral one, um, one who was fired, and
 

4425
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,629
neutral one, um, one who was fired, and
then one who had a negative one, but

4426
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:40,639
then one who had a negative one, but
 

4427
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:43,830
then one who had a negative one, but
never voiced it to me directly. Um, so I

4428
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:43,840
never voiced it to me directly. Um, so I
 

4429
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,870
never voiced it to me directly. Um, so I
released my anim my animation called A

4430
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:46,880
released my anim my animation called A
 

4431
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,510
released my anim my animation called A
Different Perspective, which is like an

4432
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:49,520
Different Perspective, which is like an
 

4433
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,070
Different Perspective, which is like an
independent story in the My Little Pony

4434
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:52,080
independent story in the My Little Pony
 

4435
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,350
independent story in the My Little Pony
universe. Um, and the flaw with that is

4436
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:55,360
universe. Um, and the flaw with that is
 

4437
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,990
universe. Um, and the flaw with that is
I developed

4438
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:58,000
I developed
 

4439
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,870
I developed
like so at the time I was like I was so

4440
01:30:00,870 --> 01:30:00,880
like so at the time I was like I was so
 

4441
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,550
like so at the time I was like I was so
confused because I was like, who hates

4442
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:02,560
confused because I was like, who hates
 

4443
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,669
confused because I was like, who hates
me enough to target me? There was like a

4444
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:05,679
me enough to target me? There was like a
 

4445
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:06,790
me enough to target me? There was like a
um I don't know if you're familiar with

4446
01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:06,800
um I don't know if you're familiar with
 

4447
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,629
um I don't know if you're familiar with
the situation so like stop me if you've

4448
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:08,639
the situation so like stop me if you've
 

4449
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:11,590
the situation so like stop me if you've
heard it before. Um, but there was an A

4450
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:11,600
heard it before. Um, but there was an A
 

4451
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,270
heard it before. Um, but there was an A
on Twitter where they were like doxing

4452
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:15,280
on Twitter where they were like doxing
 

4453
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:20,149
on Twitter where they were like doxing
me and um, you know,

4454
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:20,159
me and um, you know,
 

4455
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:20,950
me and um, you know,
>> posting.

4456
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:20,960
>> posting.
 

4457
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,030
>> posting.
>> Is this in regards to like the the

4458
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:23,040
>> Is this in regards to like the the
 

4459
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,030
>> Is this in regards to like the the
Reddit thing that you had in your video

4460
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:25,040
Reddit thing that you had in your video
 

4461
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,390
Reddit thing that you had in your video
that you were responding to? Is this

4462
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:26,400
that you were responding to? Is this
 

4463
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,350
that you were responding to? Is this
what this about?

4464
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:27,360
what this about?
 

4465
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,350
what this about?
>> Yeah. So, um,

4466
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:29,360
>> Yeah. So, um,
 

4467
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,510
>> Yeah. So, um,
>> so um, yeah, to backtrack a little bit

4468
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:31,520
>> so um, yeah, to backtrack a little bit
 

4469
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,189
>> so um, yeah, to backtrack a little bit
because I got a little out of order. So

4470
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:33,199
because I got a little out of order. So
 

4471
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:35,990
because I got a little out of order. So
the the problem with so I did um

4472
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:36,000
the the problem with so I did um
 

4473
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,910
the the problem with so I did um
Different Perspective

4474
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:37,920
Different Perspective
 

4475
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,229
Different Perspective
um which is a a pony story but it

4476
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:40,239
um which is a a pony story but it
 

4477
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,310
um which is a a pony story but it
featured my OC in the narrative of My

4478
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:42,320
featured my OC in the narrative of My
 

4479
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,270
featured my OC in the narrative of My
Little Pony and I realized that that

4480
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:45,280
Little Pony and I realized that that
 

4481
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,950
Little Pony and I realized that that
wasn't the move because people don't

4482
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:48,960
wasn't the move because people don't
 

4483
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,310
wasn't the move because people don't
can't mis reassociate the OC with like

4484
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:52,320
can't mis reassociate the OC with like
 

4485
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,070
can't mis reassociate the OC with like
canon stuff and if I was going to tell

4486
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:54,080
canon stuff and if I was going to tell
 

4487
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,390
canon stuff and if I was going to tell
that story um I should have just made an

4488
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:56,400
that story um I should have just made an
 

4489
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,189
that story um I should have just made an
OC instead of just using my pony avatar.

4490
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:59,199
OC instead of just using my pony avatar.
 

4491
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:04,070
OC instead of just using my pony avatar.
Um but um people were were dunking on it

4492
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:04,080
Um but um people were were dunking on it
 

4493
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,070
Um but um people were were dunking on it
which they're they're fair to dunk you

4494
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:06,080
which they're they're fair to dunk you
 

4495
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,910
which they're they're fair to dunk you
know criticism is fine and that's kind

4496
01:31:07,910 --> 01:31:07,920
know criticism is fine and that's kind
 

4497
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:11,189
know criticism is fine and that's kind
of how those four started talking. So I

4498
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:11,199
of how those four started talking. So I
 

4499
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:12,950
of how those four started talking. So I
developed um so the like the whole

4500
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:12,960
developed um so the like the whole
 

4501
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,669
developed um so the like the whole
fandom turned on me based on what was um

4502
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:15,679
fandom turned on me based on what was um
 

4503
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:18,229
fandom turned on me based on what was um
coming out um or not coming out but what

4504
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:18,239
coming out um or not coming out but what
 

4505
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:21,990
coming out um or not coming out but what
was being described and um so it was it

4506
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:22,000
was being described and um so it was it
 

4507
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,629
was being described and um so it was it
was very devastating for me as like

4508
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:24,639
was very devastating for me as like
 

4509
01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:26,790
was very devastating for me as like
serving like really loving the fandom

4510
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:26,800
serving like really loving the fandom
 

4511
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,709
serving like really loving the fandom
and and loving my presence and and stuff

4512
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:28,719
and and loving my presence and and stuff
 

4513
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:31,189
and and loving my presence and and stuff
like that. So I developed pretty bad

4514
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:31,199
like that. So I developed pretty bad
 

4515
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:35,350
like that. So I developed pretty bad
PTSD from it um among other things. But

4516
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:35,360
PTSD from it um among other things. But
 

4517
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:39,110
PTSD from it um among other things. But
I was afraid that that even though I've

4518
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:39,120
I was afraid that that even though I've
 

4519
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:40,950
I was afraid that that even though I've
addressed it before, I was afraid that

4520
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:40,960
addressed it before, I was afraid that
 

4521
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,790
addressed it before, I was afraid that
bias would affect the rest of the video.

4522
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:44,800
bias would affect the rest of the video.
 

4523
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,030
bias would affect the rest of the video.
So obviously, as we previously

4524
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:47,040
So obviously, as we previously
 

4525
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,950
So obviously, as we previously
discussed, that had the opposite effect

4526
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:48,960
discussed, that had the opposite effect
 

4527
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,110
discussed, that had the opposite effect
because most people or a lot of people

4528
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:51,120
because most people or a lot of people
 

4529
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,830
because most people or a lot of people
were coming in not knowing me, and it

4530
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:53,840
were coming in not knowing me, and it
 

4531
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,750
were coming in not knowing me, and it
looks like I was I was pissy about one

4532
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:55,760
looks like I was I was pissy about one
 

4533
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,270
looks like I was I was pissy about one
Reddit comment, and I had to do a whole

4534
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:57,280
Reddit comment, and I had to do a whole
 

4535
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,030
Reddit comment, and I had to do a whole
like half hour section about one Reddit

4536
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:59,040
like half hour section about one Reddit
 

4537
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,270
like half hour section about one Reddit
comment, but that was the context. And

4538
01:32:01,270 --> 01:32:01,280
comment, but that was the context. And
 

4539
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,070
comment, but that was the context. And
to further clarify um going back to

4540
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:04,080
to further clarify um going back to
 

4541
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:10,390
to further clarify um going back to
Will. So um it uh uh so the main person

4542
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:10,400
Will. So um it uh uh so the main person
 

4543
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,149
Will. So um it uh uh so the main person
around like on the Twitter was named

4544
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:12,159
around like on the Twitter was named
 

4545
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:14,870
around like on the Twitter was named
Michael Bogs. He he he that's how he

4546
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:14,880
Michael Bogs. He he he that's how he
 

4547
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,270
Michael Bogs. He he he that's how he
goes. So he works for Vyop now which

4548
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:17,280
goes. So he works for Vyop now which
 

4549
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,669
goes. So he works for Vyop now which
bothers me but that's besides the point.

4550
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:19,679
bothers me but that's besides the point.
 

4551
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:21,430
bothers me but that's besides the point.
Um

4552
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:21,440
Um
 

4553
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,430
Um
so and he was the one who was fired from

4554
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:23,440
so and he was the one who was fired from
 

4555
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,990
so and he was the one who was fired from
the team um because he lied about his

4556
01:32:25,990 --> 01:32:26,000
the team um because he lied about his
 

4557
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:31,270
the team um because he lied about his
age at the time. Um, so he the basically

4558
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:31,280
age at the time. Um, so he the basically
 

4559
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:36,470
age at the time. Um, so he the basically
the the confrontation with Bogs um that

4560
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:36,480
the the confrontation with Bogs um that
 

4561
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:39,110
the the confrontation with Bogs um that
that is um that eventually got him to

4562
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:39,120
that is um that eventually got him to
 

4563
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,910
that is um that eventually got him to
admit um to like just straight up

4564
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:41,920
admit um to like just straight up
 

4565
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,709
admit um to like just straight up
harassing me um even though he was

4566
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:44,719
harassing me um even though he was
 

4567
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:48,709
harassing me um even though he was
warned not to do so. Um was to was to

4568
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:48,719
warned not to do so. Um was to was to
 

4569
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:53,350
warned not to do so. Um was to was to
give to Will as proof that like hey this

4570
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:53,360
give to Will as proof that like hey this
 

4571
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,510
give to Will as proof that like hey this
this guy has done something seriously

4572
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:55,520
this guy has done something seriously
 

4573
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,669
this guy has done something seriously
wrong. I think like we I think he needs

4574
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:57,679
wrong. I think like we I think he needs
 

4575
01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:58,870
wrong. I think like we I think he needs
to be let go.

4576
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:58,880
to be let go.
 

4577
01:32:58,880 --> 01:32:59,350
to be let go.
>> Mhm.

4578
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:59,360
>> Mhm.
 

4579
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,990
>> Mhm.
>> So So that was even the first and only

4580
01:33:01,990 --> 01:33:02,000
>> So So that was even the first and only
 

4581
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,669
>> So So that was even the first and only
time I talked to Will was during that

4582
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:03,679
time I talked to Will was during that
 

4583
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:05,510
time I talked to Will was during that
situation. He was he said he was going

4584
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:05,520
situation. He was he said he was going
 

4585
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,270
situation. He was he said he was going
to try to help, but I imagine things

4586
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:07,280
to try to help, but I imagine things
 

4587
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,070
to try to help, but I imagine things
kind of fell off the banner after Chris

4588
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:10,080
kind of fell off the banner after Chris
 

4589
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,229
kind of fell off the banner after Chris
started talking negatively about me. But

4590
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:12,239
started talking negatively about me. But
 

4591
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,310
started talking negatively about me. But
regardless, in the public statement, I

4592
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:14,320
regardless, in the public statement, I
 

4593
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,750
regardless, in the public statement, I
think I talked about a little bit on the

4594
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:15,760
think I talked about a little bit on the
 

4595
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,189
think I talked about a little bit on the
video, but to be clear, the public

4596
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:17,199
video, but to be clear, the public
 

4597
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,350
video, but to be clear, the public
statement that Will made about the

4598
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:19,360
statement that Will made about the
 

4599
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,790
statement that Will made about the
firing of of Bogs did not mention

4600
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:22,800
firing of of Bogs did not mention
 

4601
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,629
firing of of Bogs did not mention
any of the shenanigans he was up to and

4602
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:26,639
any of the shenanigans he was up to and
 

4603
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:29,669
any of the shenanigans he was up to and
called him a great person. So, you know,

4604
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:29,679
called him a great person. So, you know,
 

4605
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:33,430
called him a great person. So, you know,
that just goes to say how controversy

4606
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:33,440
that just goes to say how controversy
 

4607
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:35,830
that just goes to say how controversy
avoid Will wants to be. like he doesn't

4608
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:35,840
avoid Will wants to be. like he doesn't
 

4609
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,750
avoid Will wants to be. like he doesn't
want anyone to have a like he like they

4610
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:37,760
want anyone to have a like he like they
 

4611
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,830
want anyone to have a like he like they
get mad like you heard the interview but

4612
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:39,840
get mad like you heard the interview but
 

4613
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,229
get mad like you heard the interview but
they get mad if people draw fan art you

4614
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:42,239
they get mad if people draw fan art you
 

4615
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:44,149
they get mad if people draw fan art you
know it's it's ridiculous.

4616
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:44,159
know it's it's ridiculous.
 

4617
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,629
know it's it's ridiculous.
>> Okay so the whole reason why you even

4618
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:46,639
>> Okay so the whole reason why you even
 

4619
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:49,750
>> Okay so the whole reason why you even
addressed that entire Reddit thing and

4620
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:49,760
addressed that entire Reddit thing and
 

4621
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,790
addressed that entire Reddit thing and
even like responded to it was because it

4622
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:52,800
even like responded to it was because it
 

4623
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:57,189
even like responded to it was because it
was somewhat in connection with this

4624
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:57,199
was somewhat in connection with this
 

4625
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,030
was somewhat in connection with this
other person that used to work at DA

4626
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:59,040
other person that used to work at DA
 

4627
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,030
other person that used to work at DA
Games. Is that what you're saying? Um,

4628
01:34:01,030 --> 01:34:01,040
Games. Is that what you're saying? Um,
 

4629
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,550
Games. Is that what you're saying? Um,
no. I'm saying, um, I was afraid people

4630
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:04,560
no. I'm saying, um, I was afraid people
 

4631
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,390
no. I'm saying, um, I was afraid people
who had not watched me in a long time

4632
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:06,400
who had not watched me in a long time
 

4633
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,070
who had not watched me in a long time
would just remember the controversy

4634
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:08,080
would just remember the controversy
 

4635
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,790
would just remember the controversy
without watching the video that kind of

4636
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:10,800
without watching the video that kind of
 

4637
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,550
without watching the video that kind of
breaks down the controversy and they'd

4638
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:12,560
breaks down the controversy and they'd
 

4639
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,430
breaks down the controversy and they'd
say, "Oh, KP's icky. I'm not going to

4640
01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:15,440
say, "Oh, KP's icky. I'm not going to
 

4641
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:16,709
say, "Oh, KP's icky. I'm not going to
believe her and I'm not going to believe

4642
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:16,719
believe her and I'm not going to believe
 

4643
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:19,350
believe her and I'm not going to believe
these other victims." So it was trying

4644
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:19,360
these other victims." So it was trying
 

4645
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:20,470
these other victims." So it was trying
kind of

4646
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:20,480
kind of
 

4647
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:22,470
kind of
>> so you

4648
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:22,480
>> so you
 

4649
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,790
>> so you
>> you were trying to clear up yourself

4650
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:24,800
>> you were trying to clear up yourself
 

4651
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,870
>> you were trying to clear up yourself
before you were like here are some of

4652
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:26,880
before you were like here are some of
 

4653
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,629
before you were like here are some of
the victims that are coming forth with

4654
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:28,639
the victims that are coming forth with
 

4655
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:31,270
the victims that are coming forth with
their allegations because you through

4656
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:31,280
their allegations because you through
 

4657
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,189
their allegations because you through
>> through proxy they wouldn't believe it

4658
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:33,199
>> through proxy they wouldn't believe it
 

4659
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:35,430
>> through proxy they wouldn't believe it
because it's coming from you.

4660
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:35,440
because it's coming from you.
 

4661
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,270
because it's coming from you.
>> Yes.

4662
01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:37,280
>> Yes.
 

4663
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,830
>> Yes.
>> Okay. I suppose I understand it from

4664
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:39,840
>> Okay. I suppose I understand it from
 

4665
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:41,430
>> Okay. I suppose I understand it from
that perspective even though I still

4666
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:41,440
that perspective even though I still
 

4667
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:43,189
that perspective even though I still
don't think that was quite necessary in

4668
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:43,199
don't think that was quite necessary in
 

4669
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,430
don't think that was quite necessary in
that video. But I get why I see why that

4670
01:34:45,430 --> 01:34:45,440
that video. But I get why I see why that
 

4671
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:47,350
that video. But I get why I see why that
was included now cuz I was very confused

4672
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:47,360
was included now cuz I was very confused
 

4673
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,830
was included now cuz I was very confused
why that was ever included. But you do

4674
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:49,840
why that was ever included. But you do
 

4675
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,310
why that was ever included. But you do
see that now that we've formed a new

4676
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:52,320
see that now that we've formed a new
 

4677
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,030
see that now that we've formed a new
problem which is that it's not that

4678
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:55,040
problem which is that it's not that
 

4679
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,189
problem which is that it's not that
people won't believe these victims

4680
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:57,199
people won't believe these victims
 

4681
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,870
people won't believe these victims
because it's coming from you. It's that

4682
01:35:00,870 --> 01:35:00,880
because it's coming from you. It's that
 

4683
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,750
because it's coming from you. It's that
they won't believe the victims because

4684
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:03,760
they won't believe the victims because
 

4685
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:07,189
they won't believe the victims because
the video by just by itself is doesn't

4686
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:07,199
the video by just by itself is doesn't
 

4687
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:08,709
the video by just by itself is doesn't
make it clear what they're accusing

4688
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:08,719
make it clear what they're accusing
 

4689
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:10,470
make it clear what they're accusing
anyone of.

4690
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:10,480
anyone of.
 

4691
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,270
anyone of.
>> Right. So, that's kind of a new thing.

4692
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:13,280
>> Right. So, that's kind of a new thing.
 

4693
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,510
>> Right. So, that's kind of a new thing.
>> I mean, again, that's that's why I'm

4694
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:15,520
>> I mean, again, that's that's why I'm
 

4695
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,229
>> I mean, again, that's that's why I'm
here to clear up misinformation that I

4696
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:18,239
here to clear up misinformation that I
 

4697
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:22,229
here to clear up misinformation that I
[\h__\h] up. Um because yeah, I think we

4698
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:22,239
[\h__\h] up. Um because yeah, I think we
 

4699
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,229
[\h__\h] up. Um because yeah, I think we
needed like definitely needed more third

4700
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:24,239
needed like definitely needed more third
 

4701
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:25,510
needed like definitely needed more third
party. Um

4702
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:25,520
party. Um
 

4703
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,830
party. Um
>> Oh, yeah. You you agree that you were a

4704
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:27,840
>> Oh, yeah. You you agree that you were a
 

4705
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,189
>> Oh, yeah. You you agree that you were a
bit too ingrained in this to be a

4706
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:31,199
bit too ingrained in this to be a
 

4707
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,550
bit too ingrained in this to be a
unbiased party to address this, right?

4708
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:34,560
unbiased party to address this, right?
 

4709
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,830
unbiased party to address this, right?
You get that. I mean, yeah. I I don't

4710
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:37,840
You get that. I mean, yeah. I I don't
 

4711
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,070
You get that. I mean, yeah. I I don't
want to use this wording because like I

4712
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:40,080
want to use this wording because like I
 

4713
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,550
want to use this wording because like I
don't see it like this way like Chris

4714
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:42,560
don't see it like this way like Chris
 

4715
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,270
don't see it like this way like Chris
did something icky, but you know, like

4716
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:45,280
did something icky, but you know, like
 

4717
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,950
did something icky, but you know, like
at the end of the day, whatever. But

4718
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:46,960
at the end of the day, whatever. But
 

4719
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,910
at the end of the day, whatever. But
like, you know, DA Games has hurt me too

4720
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:49,920
like, you know, DA Games has hurt me too
 

4721
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,629
like, you know, DA Games has hurt me too
because of this. So, like that's also a

4722
01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:52,639
because of this. So, like that's also a
 

4723
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:55,110
because of this. So, like that's also a
bias that I didn't really realize.

4724
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:55,120
bias that I didn't really realize.
 

4725
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,510
bias that I didn't really realize.
>> And also, like the first conversation we

4726
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:57,520
>> And also, like the first conversation we
 

4727
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,790
>> And also, like the first conversation we
had together, you mentioned there was

4728
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:58,800
had together, you mentioned there was
 

4729
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,470
had together, you mentioned there was
kind of a catharsis to making that

4730
01:36:00,470 --> 01:36:00,480
kind of a catharsis to making that
 

4731
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:03,270
kind of a catharsis to making that
video. Like in what way?

4732
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:03,280
video. Like in what way?
 

4733
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,310
video. Like in what way?
um that I mean that was the reason for

4734
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:06,320
um that I mean that was the reason for
 

4735
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,189
um that I mean that was the reason for
my tone to to clarify um that I was

4736
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:09,199
my tone to to clarify um that I was
 

4737
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:10,870
my tone to to clarify um that I was
finally so I was finally getting this

4738
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:10,880
finally so I was finally getting this
 

4739
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,870
finally so I was finally getting this
out there. I could finally tell the

4740
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:12,880
out there. I could finally tell the
 

4741
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,390
out there. I could finally tell the
story my way with all the me in there um

4742
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:16,400
story my way with all the me in there um
 

4743
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,149
story my way with all the me in there um
and that these people were going to be

4744
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:18,159
and that these people were going to be
 

4745
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:22,629
and that these people were going to be
held accountable for their um

4746
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:22,639
held accountable for their um
 

4747
01:36:22,639 --> 01:36:24,629
held accountable for their um
like their behavior finally or so I

4748
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:24,639
like their behavior finally or so I
 

4749
01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:28,709
like their behavior finally or so I
thought. So like um

4750
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:28,719
thought. So like um
 

4751
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:30,709
thought. So like um
you know it was still very it was still

4752
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:30,719
you know it was still very it was still
 

4753
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:32,709
you know it was still very it was still
hard to talk about in general just

4754
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:32,719
hard to talk about in general just
 

4755
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,030
hard to talk about in general just
because of how upsetting it was for me.

4756
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:35,040
because of how upsetting it was for me.
 

4757
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,870
because of how upsetting it was for me.
But um yeah that was kind of like you

4758
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:38,880
But um yeah that was kind of like you
 

4759
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,470
But um yeah that was kind of like you
know the idea was like like even even

4760
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:42,480
know the idea was like like even even
 

4761
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,350
know the idea was like like even even
after everything that's happened there's

4762
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:45,360
after everything that's happened there's
 

4763
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:46,790
after everything that's happened there's
still like a little part of me that's

4764
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:46,800
still like a little part of me that's
 

4765
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,270
still like a little part of me that's
just glad that the video is done with

4766
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:49,280
just glad that the video is done with
 

4767
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,510
just glad that the video is done with
just because it was so stressful to to

4768
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:51,520
just because it was so stressful to to
 

4769
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,189
just because it was so stressful to to
be doing a video like that for for

4770
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:53,199
be doing a video like that for for
 

4771
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:54,390
be doing a video like that for for
everyone. So,

4772
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:54,400
everyone. So,
 

4773
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,590
everyone. So,
>> sure. Like for me, I've explained this

4774
01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:57,600
>> sure. Like for me, I've explained this
 

4775
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,030
>> sure. Like for me, I've explained this
to a couple people that asked me about

4776
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:59,040
to a couple people that asked me about
 

4777
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,950
to a couple people that asked me about
this because they've recognized my voice

4778
01:37:00,950 --> 01:37:00,960
this because they've recognized my voice
 

4779
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,070
this because they've recognized my voice
in it and they're like, "What's your

4780
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:02,080
in it and they're like, "What's your
 

4781
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,550
in it and they're like, "What's your
opinion on this?" Like I said, I always

4782
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:04,560
opinion on this?" Like I said, I always
 

4783
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:05,750
opinion on this?" Like I said, I always
assumed that this was going to be like

4784
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:05,760
assumed that this was going to be like
 

4785
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,990
assumed that this was going to be like
DA games bad, Saber Spark a hypocrite,

4786
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:08,000
DA games bad, Saber Spark a hypocrite,
 

4787
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,790
DA games bad, Saber Spark a hypocrite,
that kind of thing. But as we're more so

4788
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:10,800
that kind of thing. But as we're more so
 

4789
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,669
that kind of thing. But as we're more so
discussing it, it's for me, I How do I

4790
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:15,679
discussing it, it's for me, I How do I
 

4791
01:37:15,679 --> 01:37:18,229
discussing it, it's for me, I How do I
word this? The words were there and then

4792
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:18,239
word this? The words were there and then
 

4793
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:20,870
word this? The words were there and then
they left me, unfortunately. No, I got

4794
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:20,880
they left me, unfortunately. No, I got
 

4795
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,470
they left me, unfortunately. No, I got
it.

4796
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:22,480
it.
 

4797
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:26,229
it.
They're come and go. Um,

4798
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:26,239
They're come and go. Um,
 

4799
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,629
They're come and go. Um,
as I'm more so talking to you about like

4800
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:28,639
as I'm more so talking to you about like
 

4801
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,870
as I'm more so talking to you about like
the intentions and how this kind of came

4802
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:30,880
the intentions and how this kind of came
 

4803
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,950
the intentions and how this kind of came
about, I for one, I think we can both

4804
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:34,960
about, I for one, I think we can both
 

4805
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:36,390
about, I for one, I think we can both
agree at this point that you were way

4806
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:36,400
agree at this point that you were way
 

4807
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:37,990
agree at this point that you were way
too ingrained with all of these people

4808
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:38,000
too ingrained with all of these people
 

4809
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,830
too ingrained with all of these people
that there that bias was going to always

4810
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:39,840
that there that bias was going to always
 

4811
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,310
that there that bias was going to always
inherently be there because of like

4812
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:42,320
inherently be there because of like
 

4813
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,109
inherently be there because of like
personal things that you had that was a

4814
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:45,119
personal things that you had that was a
 

4815
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:47,669
personal things that you had that was a
like that was like, oh, I used to be

4816
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:47,679
like that was like, oh, I used to be
 

4817
01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:48,870
like that was like, oh, I used to be
friends with them and now I'm not

4818
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:48,880
friends with them and now I'm not
 

4819
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,470
friends with them and now I'm not
because of a falling out. So therefore,

4820
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:50,480
because of a falling out. So therefore,
 

4821
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,790
because of a falling out. So therefore,
the biases would have been very

4822
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:52,800
the biases would have been very
 

4823
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,950
the biases would have been very
apparent. But also, here's the thing,

4824
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:54,960
apparent. But also, here's the thing,
 

4825
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,550
apparent. But also, here's the thing,
right? Cuz I when I explain this to

4826
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:56,560
right? Cuz I when I explain this to
 

4827
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:57,990
right? Cuz I when I explain this to
people, I'm like, she's going to make a

4828
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:58,000
people, I'm like, she's going to make a
 

4829
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,350
people, I'm like, she's going to make a
video about this guy she once worked

4830
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:59,360
video about this guy she once worked
 

4831
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,350
video about this guy she once worked
with who sexually harassed her. And I

4832
01:38:01,350 --> 01:38:01,360
with who sexually harassed her. And I
 

4833
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,669
with who sexually harassed her. And I
had no problem being a part of a video

4834
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:03,679
had no problem being a part of a video
 

4835
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:05,669
had no problem being a part of a video
where you're telling that story, right?

4836
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:05,679
where you're telling that story, right?
 

4837
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:07,750
where you're telling that story, right?
I'll be like, you know what? Girls

4838
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:07,760
I'll be like, you know what? Girls
 

4839
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,510
I'll be like, you know what? Girls
support girls. This girl was sexually

4840
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:09,520
support girls. This girl was sexually
 

4841
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,030
support girls. This girl was sexually
harassed.

4842
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:11,040
harassed.
 

4843
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,950
harassed.
And I think what Chris did, considering

4844
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:12,960
And I think what Chris did, considering
 

4845
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,950
And I think what Chris did, considering
I heard the the whole confession call, I

4846
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:14,960
I heard the the whole confession call, I
 

4847
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,950
I heard the the whole confession call, I
think it's shitty. Do I agree that you

4848
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:16,960
think it's shitty. Do I agree that you
 

4849
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,470
think it's shitty. Do I agree that you
should have not recorded that without

4850
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:18,480
should have not recorded that without
 

4851
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:19,750
should have not recorded that without
his permission? No, I don't agree with

4852
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:19,760
his permission? No, I don't agree with
 

4853
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,189
his permission? No, I don't agree with
that. But I get why you did it because

4854
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:21,199
that. But I get why you did it because
 

4855
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:23,590
that. But I get why you did it because
of a safety concern. And not that it's

4856
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:23,600
of a safety concern. And not that it's
 

4857
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,669
of a safety concern. And not that it's
still not shitty, but like I you get

4858
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:25,679
still not shitty, but like I you get
 

4859
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:27,430
still not shitty, but like I you get
what I mean? Like this girl was

4860
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:27,440
what I mean? Like this girl was
 

4861
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:28,709
what I mean? Like this girl was
harassed. She's going to tell her story

4862
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:28,719
harassed. She's going to tell her story
 

4863
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:32,709
harassed. She's going to tell her story
about this ex-coworker that is

4864
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:32,719
about this ex-coworker that is
 

4865
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:34,229
about this ex-coworker that is
has harassed her and she's tried to

4866
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:34,239
has harassed her and she's tried to
 

4867
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,070
has harassed her and she's tried to
alert people to this thing that he did

4868
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:36,080
alert people to this thing that he did
 

4869
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,070
alert people to this thing that he did
and they just ignored her and called her

4870
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:38,080
and they just ignored her and called her
 

4871
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,709
and they just ignored her and called her
a liar even. And if that whole this

4872
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:40,719
a liar even. And if that whole this
 

4873
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:42,709
a liar even. And if that whole this
whole video was just about you and like

4874
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:42,719
whole video was just about you and like
 

4875
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:44,550
whole video was just about you and like
you sharing that experience, I don't

4876
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:44,560
you sharing that experience, I don't
 

4877
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:45,750
you sharing that experience, I don't
think anyone would have had an issue

4878
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:45,760
think anyone would have had an issue
 

4879
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,510
think anyone would have had an issue
with the video. Would it have still been

4880
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:47,520
with the video. Would it have still been
 

4881
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,790
with the video. Would it have still been
a little confusing? Maybe. But like at

4882
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:50,800
a little confusing? Maybe. But like at
 

4883
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,790
a little confusing? Maybe. But like at
the very least, it'd be like you telling

4884
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:52,800
the very least, it'd be like you telling
 

4885
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,870
the very least, it'd be like you telling
your story. When you included all the

4886
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:54,880
your story. When you included all the
 

4887
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,430
your story. When you included all the
other victims, it felt like it was more

4888
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:57,440
other victims, it felt like it was more
 

4889
01:38:57,440 --> 01:38:59,669
other victims, it felt like it was more
so like a validation of why you hated

4890
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:59,679
so like a validation of why you hated
 

4891
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:00,790
so like a validation of why you hated
all these people instead of just

4892
01:39:00,790 --> 01:39:00,800
all these people instead of just
 

4893
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,189
all these people instead of just
focusing on your personal grief. You

4894
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:03,199
focusing on your personal grief. You
 

4895
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:04,629
focusing on your personal grief. You
know what I mean?

4896
01:39:04,629 --> 01:39:04,639
know what I mean?
 

4897
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:07,350
know what I mean?
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, like like I said at

4898
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:07,360
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, like like I said at
 

4899
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:09,189
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, like like I said at
like somewhere in this call, we've been

4900
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:09,199
like somewhere in this call, we've been
 

4901
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:13,350
like somewhere in this call, we've been
talking for a while. Um that Yeah. um is

4902
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:13,360
talking for a while. Um that Yeah. um is
 

4903
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,590
talking for a while. Um that Yeah. um is
the reason I didn't talk about my saber

4904
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:15,600
the reason I didn't talk about my saber
 

4905
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,149
the reason I didn't talk about my saber
experiences before that cuz I is is

4906
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:18,159
experiences before that cuz I is is
 

4907
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,229
experiences before that cuz I is is
because I didn't think it was fair and I

4908
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:20,239
because I didn't think it was fair and I
 

4909
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:21,830
because I didn't think it was fair and I
felt like this incident kind of crossed

4910
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:21,840
felt like this incident kind of crossed
 

4911
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:26,709
felt like this incident kind of crossed
the line um in that. But I think the I

4912
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:26,719
the line um in that. But I think the I
 

4913
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:28,709
the line um in that. But I think the I
think we needed third party feedback

4914
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:28,719
think we needed third party feedback
 

4915
01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:31,990
think we needed third party feedback
anyway because as being so close to the

4916
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:32,000
anyway because as being so close to the
 

4917
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,990
anyway because as being so close to the
case I misassumed people had information

4918
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:36,000
case I misassumed people had information
 

4919
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,550
case I misassumed people had information
that they did not have. So that was also

4920
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:38,560
that they did not have. So that was also
 

4921
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,550
that they did not have. So that was also
a big problem with the video. Well, and

4922
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:40,560
a big problem with the video. Well, and
 

4923
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,470
a big problem with the video. Well, and
also like you said that the tonal issues

4924
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:42,480
also like you said that the tonal issues
 

4925
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,550
also like you said that the tonal issues
was more for for your benefit to or for

4926
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:44,560
was more for for your benefit to or for
 

4927
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,229
was more for for your benefit to or for
you to cope and everything. That's

4928
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:46,239
you to cope and everything. That's
 

4929
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:48,629
you to cope and everything. That's
totally fine. Like I said, tone's not

4930
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:48,639
totally fine. Like I said, tone's not
 

4931
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:50,070
totally fine. Like I said, tone's not
obviously the strong suit. I'd be a

4932
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:50,080
obviously the strong suit. I'd be a
 

4933
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,830
obviously the strong suit. I'd be a
hypocrite if I said anything. But if it

4934
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:51,840
hypocrite if I said anything. But if it
 

4935
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,990
hypocrite if I said anything. But if it
were your story told that way because it

4936
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:54,000
were your story told that way because it
 

4937
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,229
were your story told that way because it
makes you feel better, that's totally

4938
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:56,239
makes you feel better, that's totally
 

4939
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:57,669
makes you feel better, that's totally
understandable. But when you include

4940
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:57,679
understandable. But when you include
 

4941
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:00,070
understandable. But when you include
other people's testimonies, you have to

4942
01:40:00,070 --> 01:40:00,080
other people's testimonies, you have to
 

4943
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:01,990
other people's testimonies, you have to
at least adhere the tone to them as

4944
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:02,000
at least adhere the tone to them as
 

4945
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,830
at least adhere the tone to them as
well. Because how they want to tell

4946
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:03,840
well. Because how they want to tell
 

4947
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,510
well. Because how they want to tell
their stories may not be the same way

4948
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:05,520
their stories may not be the same way
 

4949
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,430
their stories may not be the same way
how you would want to tell your story.

4950
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:07,440
how you would want to tell your story.
 

4951
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:08,870
how you would want to tell your story.
How you want to tell it is through the

4952
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:08,880
How you want to tell it is through the
 

4953
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,310
How you want to tell it is through the
jokes. and that's totally fine cuz

4954
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:10,320
jokes. and that's totally fine cuz
 

4955
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,390
jokes. and that's totally fine cuz
that's your thing. But when it comes to

4956
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:12,400
that's your thing. But when it comes to
 

4957
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,790
that's your thing. But when it comes to
the other people involved,

4958
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:14,800
the other people involved,
 

4959
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:17,350
the other people involved,
they're kind of invalidated um with

4960
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:17,360
they're kind of invalidated um with
 

4961
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:18,709
they're kind of invalidated um with
their stories cuz they're not telling it

4962
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:18,719
their stories cuz they're not telling it
 

4963
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:20,950
their stories cuz they're not telling it
in a way that they want to tell it just

4964
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:20,960
in a way that they want to tell it just
 

4965
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,709
in a way that they want to tell it just
based on the fact that it's mostly

4966
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:22,719
based on the fact that it's mostly
 

4967
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:24,870
based on the fact that it's mostly
dominated by the tone you want to take.

4968
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:24,880
dominated by the tone you want to take.
 

4969
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,590
dominated by the tone you want to take.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

4970
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:27,600
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.
 

4971
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,270
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, like like like we've already

4972
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:29,280
Well, like like like we've already
 

4973
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,709
Well, like like like we've already
talked about, I've never done uh a video

4974
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:32,719
talked about, I've never done uh a video
 

4975
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,030
talked about, I've never done uh a video
like this before because the Lily video

4976
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:35,040
like this before because the Lily video
 

4977
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,390
like this before because the Lily video
was pretty straightforward. it was my

4978
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:36,400
was pretty straightforward. it was my
 

4979
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,470
was pretty straightforward. it was my
experiences and then we'll we did we did

4980
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:38,480
experiences and then we'll we did we did
 

4981
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:39,830
experiences and then we'll we did we did
some interviews. So, I kind of thought

4982
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:39,840
some interviews. So, I kind of thought
 

4983
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,109
some interviews. So, I kind of thought
this was like kind of similar but kind

4984
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:43,119
this was like kind of similar but kind
 

4985
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,669
this was like kind of similar but kind
of different. Um where it was like me

4986
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:45,679
of different. Um where it was like me
 

4987
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:47,350
of different. Um where it was like me
talking about experiences and then we'll

4988
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:47,360
talking about experiences and then we'll
 

4989
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,669
talking about experiences and then we'll
have some victim interviews at the the

4990
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:49,679
have some victim interviews at the the
 

4991
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:52,470
have some victim interviews at the the
end just to kind of you know reiterate

4992
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:52,480
end just to kind of you know reiterate
 

4993
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:56,790
end just to kind of you know reiterate
some of these concerns. So, uh so yeah.

4994
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:56,800
some of these concerns. So, uh so yeah.
 

4995
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:01,350
some of these concerns. So, uh so yeah.
Um I don't Yeah, I mean yeah, I've been

4996
01:41:01,350 --> 01:41:01,360
Um I don't Yeah, I mean yeah, I've been
 

4997
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,350
Um I don't Yeah, I mean yeah, I've been
I I've been it's been reeled into my

4998
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:03,360
I I've been it's been reeled into my
 

4999
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,830
I I've been it's been reeled into my
head that's wrong with this video. So, I

5000
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:05,840
head that's wrong with this video. So, I
 

5001
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:06,550
head that's wrong with this video. So, I
get it,

5002
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:06,560
get it,
 

5003
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:07,750
get it,
>> right? I'm not here to remind you

5004
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:07,760
>> right? I'm not here to remind you
 

5005
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,669
>> right? I'm not here to remind you
anymore. I'm sure you're very aware, but

5006
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:09,679
anymore. I'm sure you're very aware, but
 

5007
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:14,390
anymore. I'm sure you're very aware, but
um just so you know, just to kind of

5008
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:14,400
um just so you know, just to kind of
 

5009
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:15,590
um just so you know, just to kind of
wrap this up because we've been talking

5010
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:15,600
wrap this up because we've been talking
 

5011
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,189
wrap this up because we've been talking
for a while. I'm sure you have things to

5012
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:17,199
for a while. I'm sure you have things to
 

5013
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:21,030
for a while. I'm sure you have things to
do. Um in future reference, do you plan

5014
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:21,040
do. Um in future reference, do you plan
 

5015
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,669
do. Um in future reference, do you plan
on doing anything similar to this ever

5016
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:23,679
on doing anything similar to this ever
 

5017
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:25,270
on doing anything similar to this ever
again or?

5018
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:25,280
again or?
 

5019
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,270
again or?
>> Um

5020
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:27,280
>> Um
 

5021
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,830
>> Um
I don't know. Like right now I'm saying

5022
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:29,840
I don't know. Like right now I'm saying
 

5023
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,430
I don't know. Like right now I'm saying
no just because like you know the these

5024
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:33,440
no just because like you know the these
 

5025
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:38,229
no just because like you know the these
are my exact uh triggers that um have

5026
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:38,239
are my exact uh triggers that um have
 

5027
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:42,629
are my exact uh triggers that um have
been activated and it has been um hard

5028
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:42,639
been activated and it has been um hard
 

5029
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:45,270
been activated and it has been um hard
and I've had to I've had to to eat a lot

5030
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:45,280
and I've had to I've had to to eat a lot
 

5031
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,270
and I've had to I've had to to eat a lot
of edible well not a lot but like I've

5032
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:47,280
of edible well not a lot but like I've
 

5033
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,350
of edible well not a lot but like I've
had to do eat a lot of edibles to get

5034
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:49,360
had to do eat a lot of edibles to get
 

5035
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,590
had to do eat a lot of edibles to get
through this week and it's I it's nice

5036
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:51,600
through this week and it's I it's nice
 

5037
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,750
through this week and it's I it's nice
to be reminded that I have so many

5038
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:53,760
to be reminded that I have so many
 

5039
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,910
to be reminded that I have so many
friends that are saying hey I saw the

5040
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:55,920
friends that are saying hey I saw the
 

5041
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,390
friends that are saying hey I saw the
video are you okay? So, um, for the

5042
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:58,400
video are you okay? So, um, for the
 

5043
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,390
video are you okay? So, um, for the
record, uh, Kayla, another person that

5044
01:42:00,390 --> 01:42:00,400
record, uh, Kayla, another person that
 

5045
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,430
record, uh, Kayla, another person that
was in the video, um, also had that

5046
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:03,440
was in the video, um, also had that
 

5047
01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:04,790
was in the video, um, also had that
tone. I was like, "Oh, thank God.

5048
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:04,800
tone. I was like, "Oh, thank God.
 

5049
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:05,910
tone. I was like, "Oh, thank God.
Someone's not going to treat me like a

5050
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:05,920
Someone's not going to treat me like a
 

5051
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,470
Someone's not going to treat me like a
[\h__\h] monster who did this on, um,

5052
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:08,480
[\h__\h] monster who did this on, um,
 

5053
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:09,669
[\h__\h] monster who did this on, um,
purpose."

5054
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:09,679
purpose."
 

5055
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:11,990
purpose."
>> Well, I

5056
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:12,000
>> Well, I
 

5057
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,669
>> Well, I
It's hard, you know, cuz I don't know

5058
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:13,679
It's hard, you know, cuz I don't know
 

5059
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:16,229
It's hard, you know, cuz I don't know
anything about you at all, right? I've

5060
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:16,239
anything about you at all, right? I've
 

5061
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:18,070
anything about you at all, right? I've
only had a couple of conversations with

5062
01:42:18,070 --> 01:42:18,080
only had a couple of conversations with
 

5063
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:19,750
only had a couple of conversations with
you. I want to assume that what you're

5064
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:19,760
you. I want to assume that what you're
 

5065
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,070
you. I want to assume that what you're
doing is the right thing, but I just

5066
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:22,080
doing is the right thing, but I just
 

5067
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,390
doing is the right thing, but I just
think that you were a little too driven

5068
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:24,400
think that you were a little too driven
 

5069
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:25,830
think that you were a little too driven
by the fact that you were so

5070
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:25,840
by the fact that you were so
 

5071
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,750
by the fact that you were so
interconnected with everyone to see it

5072
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:27,760
interconnected with everyone to see it
 

5073
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,070
interconnected with everyone to see it
from a third party perspective.

5074
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:30,080
from a third party perspective.
 

5075
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,229
from a third party perspective.
>> That's the thing. Like I feel like this

5076
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:32,239
>> That's the thing. Like I feel like this
 

5077
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:34,390
>> That's the thing. Like I feel like this
definitely if you wanted your story to

5078
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:34,400
definitely if you wanted your story to
 

5079
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,229
definitely if you wanted your story to
be told by just you and your personal

5080
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:36,239
be told by just you and your personal
 

5081
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:38,709
be told by just you and your personal
experiences, then that would make more

5082
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:38,719
experiences, then that would make more
 

5083
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:42,070
experiences, then that would make more
sense, right? But I just feel like you

5084
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:42,080
sense, right? But I just feel like you
 

5085
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,109
sense, right? But I just feel like you
were way too into this. like you knew

5086
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:45,119
were way too into this. like you knew
 

5087
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:47,510
were way too into this. like you knew
too many of these people and you were

5088
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:47,520
too many of these people and you were
 

5089
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,590
too many of these people and you were
already kind of upset with a lot of them

5090
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:49,600
already kind of upset with a lot of them
 

5091
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,790
already kind of upset with a lot of them
anyways that like when you get all these

5092
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:52,800
anyways that like when you get all these
 

5093
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,390
anyways that like when you get all these
other stories about oh here's other

5094
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:54,400
other stories about oh here's other
 

5095
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,310
other stories about oh here's other
examples of how they're bad and it's not

5096
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:56,320
examples of how they're bad and it's not
 

5097
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,310
examples of how they're bad and it's not
just like your personal grudge you can

5098
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:58,320
just like your personal grudge you can
 

5099
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:59,590
just like your personal grudge you can
be like oh here's more of a

5100
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:59,600
be like oh here's more of a
 

5101
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,550
be like oh here's more of a
justification kind of thing. So, I just

5102
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:02,560
justification kind of thing. So, I just
 

5103
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,229
justification kind of thing. So, I just
think that you definitely should have

5104
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:04,239
think that you definitely should have
 

5105
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:05,830
think that you definitely should have
removed yourself when you realized that

5106
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:05,840
removed yourself when you realized that
 

5107
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,070
removed yourself when you realized that
there was way too much of a bias on your

5108
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:08,080
there was way too much of a bias on your
 

5109
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,629
there was way too much of a bias on your
end to ever cover this cuz it was never

5110
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:10,639
end to ever cover this cuz it was never
 

5111
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:13,030
end to ever cover this cuz it was never
because of how personal personally

5112
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:13,040
because of how personal personally
 

5113
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,270
because of how personal personally
invested in how you knew these people,

5114
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:15,280
invested in how you knew these people,
 

5115
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,350
invested in how you knew these people,
especially since one of them was your

5116
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:17,360
especially since one of them was your
 

5117
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,830
especially since one of them was your
employer. There was no way in hell this

5118
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:19,840
employer. There was no way in hell this
 

5119
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,590
employer. There was no way in hell this
was going to come across as anything but

5120
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:21,600
was going to come across as anything but
 

5121
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,830
was going to come across as anything but
incredibly biased.

5122
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:23,840
incredibly biased.
 

5123
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:25,830
incredibly biased.
>> Right. Right. Well, and then you have to

5124
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:25,840
>> Right. Right. Well, and then you have to
 

5125
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,270
>> Right. Right. Well, and then you have to
remember originally it was just going to

5126
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:27,280
remember originally it was just going to
 

5127
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,629
remember originally it was just going to
be me and I added the victims. like I

5128
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:30,639
be me and I added the victims. like I
 

5129
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:32,390
be me and I added the victims. like I
felt I mean at the time I felt like in

5130
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:32,400
felt I mean at the time I felt like in
 

5131
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:33,990
felt I mean at the time I felt like in
good faith to get their stories out too

5132
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:34,000
good faith to get their stories out too
 

5133
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,350
good faith to get their stories out too
since I'm here like since I'm here

5134
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:35,360
since I'm here like since I'm here
 

5135
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,350
since I'm here like since I'm here
anyway kind of thing but you know

5136
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:37,360
anyway kind of thing but you know
 

5137
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:37,910
anyway kind of thing but you know
>> sure

5138
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:37,920
>> sure
 

5139
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,070
>> sure
>> um hindsight is hindsight. Yeah, of

5140
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:40,080
>> um hindsight is hindsight. Yeah, of
 

5141
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,030
>> um hindsight is hindsight. Yeah, of
course. Um, I would advise, you know,

5142
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:43,040
course. Um, I would advise, you know,
 

5143
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,629
course. Um, I would advise, you know,
probably not to try to do something like

5144
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:44,639
probably not to try to do something like
 

5145
01:43:44,639 --> 01:43:47,830
probably not to try to do something like
this again or if you are, let's just

5146
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:47,840
this again or if you are, let's just
 

5147
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,910
this again or if you are, let's just
hypothetical somebody asks you to cover

5148
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:49,920
hypothetical somebody asks you to cover
 

5149
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,790
hypothetical somebody asks you to cover
something like this again. Please just

5150
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:52,800
something like this again. Please just
 

5151
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,750
something like this again. Please just
if you have a bias that you can ignore,

5152
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:55,760
if you have a bias that you can ignore,
 

5153
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,590
if you have a bias that you can ignore,
then remove yourself. You know, that'd

5154
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:57,600
then remove yourself. You know, that'd
 

5155
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,189
then remove yourself. You know, that'd
be probably the best thing cuz the

5156
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:59,199
be probably the best thing cuz the
 

5157
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:00,550
be probably the best thing cuz the
biggest thing for me that really

5158
01:44:00,550 --> 01:44:00,560
biggest thing for me that really
 

5159
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,270
biggest thing for me that really
affected this video was just now knowing

5160
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:03,280
affected this video was just now knowing
 

5161
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,790
affected this video was just now knowing
like how interconnected you were with

5162
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:04,800
like how interconnected you were with
 

5163
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,750
like how interconnected you were with
Saber. It was like, "Oh, dude, I don't

5164
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:07,760
Saber. It was like, "Oh, dude, I don't
 

5165
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,229
Saber. It was like, "Oh, dude, I don't
think that this was ever going to come

5166
01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:10,239
think that this was ever going to come
 

5167
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,550
think that this was ever going to come
across as anything but like a personal

5168
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:12,560
across as anything but like a personal
 

5169
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:13,910
across as anything but like a personal
grievance."

5170
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:13,920
grievance."
 

5171
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,149
grievance."
>> And I get that that wasn't your intent,

5172
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:16,159
>> And I get that that wasn't your intent,
 

5173
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,149
>> And I get that that wasn't your intent,
but it's just from the perspective of

5174
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:18,159
but it's just from the perspective of
 

5175
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:19,990
but it's just from the perspective of
you used to know all these people fairly

5176
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:20,000
you used to know all these people fairly
 

5177
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,750
you used to know all these people fairly
well, friendly, and then it had there

5178
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:21,760
well, friendly, and then it had there
 

5179
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:23,990
well, friendly, and then it had there
was the falling out between all of them,

5180
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:24,000
was the falling out between all of them,
 

5181
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:25,830
was the falling out between all of them,
and now this video comes out the way it

5182
01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:25,840
and now this video comes out the way it
 

5183
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,550
and now this video comes out the way it
was very condescending that it's like,

5184
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:28,560
was very condescending that it's like,
 

5185
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,870
was very condescending that it's like,
"Oh, okay." Like, you get what I'm

5186
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:30,880
"Oh, okay." Like, you get what I'm
 

5187
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,070
"Oh, okay." Like, you get what I'm
saying? I I think you've seen it. Yeah.

5188
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:34,080
saying? I I think you've seen it. Yeah.
 

5189
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,590
saying? I I think you've seen it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. though. I mean,

5190
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:37,600
>> Yeah. though. I mean,
 

5191
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:41,189
>> Yeah. though. I mean,
yeah. Um, the cartoony cartoony video is

5192
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:41,199
yeah. Um, the cartoony cartoony video is
 

5193
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:43,669
yeah. Um, the cartoony cartoony video is
not helping. Like, I understand people

5194
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:43,679
not helping. Like, I understand people
 

5195
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:45,189
not helping. Like, I understand people
are upset and they have a right to be

5196
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:45,199
are upset and they have a right to be
 

5197
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:47,910
are upset and they have a right to be
upset, but like adding a laugh track. I

5198
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:47,920
upset, but like adding a laugh track. I
 

5199
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,430
upset, but like adding a laugh track. I
think he added a laugh track underneath

5200
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:49,440
think he added a laugh track underneath
 

5201
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:51,830
think he added a laugh track underneath
some of the the um the clips that he

5202
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:51,840
some of the the um the clips that he
 

5203
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,990
some of the the um the clips that he
used to present the video. And less

5204
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:54,000
used to present the video. And less
 

5205
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,830
used to present the video. And less
people have seen the actual video

5206
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:57,840
people have seen the actual video
 

5207
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,310
people have seen the actual video
they

5208
01:45:00,310 --> 01:45:00,320
they
 

5209
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,390
they
>> Oh, sorry. You recover.

5210
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:02,400
>> Oh, sorry. You recover.
 

5211
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:04,470
>> Oh, sorry. You recover.
>> Um, okay. Okay, let me know if I need to

5212
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:04,480
>> Um, okay. Okay, let me know if I need to
 

5213
01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:05,350
>> Um, okay. Okay, let me know if I need to
repeat anything.

5214
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:05,360
repeat anything.
 

5215
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,030
repeat anything.
>> Well, just the whole your whole opinion

5216
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:07,040
>> Well, just the whole your whole opinion
 

5217
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:08,550
>> Well, just the whole your whole opinion
on the cartoon she thing.

5218
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:08,560
on the cartoon she thing.
 

5219
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,149
on the cartoon she thing.
>> Oh, okay. So, yeah, I don't have the

5220
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:10,159
>> Oh, okay. So, yeah, I don't have the
 

5221
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,629
>> Oh, okay. So, yeah, I don't have the
heart to watch the cartoon video um

5222
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:12,639
heart to watch the cartoon video um
 

5223
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:15,590
heart to watch the cartoon video um
right now. Um if not ever. Um I get why

5224
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:15,600
right now. Um if not ever. Um I get why
 

5225
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,669
right now. Um if not ever. Um I get why
people are upset like valid criticism of

5226
01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:17,679
people are upset like valid criticism of
 

5227
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:19,189
people are upset like valid criticism of
the video is fine. I've said the same

5228
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:19,199
the video is fine. I've said the same
 

5229
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:21,030
the video is fine. I've said the same
thing in my fan server like you know

5230
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:21,040
thing in my fan server like you know
 

5231
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,950
thing in my fan server like you know
just like don't start um doing stuff.

5232
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:24,960
just like don't start um doing stuff.
 

5233
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,709
just like don't start um doing stuff.
But um something I know that happened is

5234
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:28,719
But um something I know that happened is
 

5235
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:30,950
But um something I know that happened is
he showed clips of the video with laugh

5236
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:30,960
he showed clips of the video with laugh
 

5237
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,430
he showed clips of the video with laugh
tracks under. And just for the record,

5238
01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:33,440
tracks under. And just for the record,
 

5239
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:35,030
tracks under. And just for the record,
the video does not have the laugh

5240
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:35,040
the video does not have the laugh
 

5241
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,030
the video does not have the laugh
tracks. He added the laugh tracks. And

5242
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:37,040
tracks. He added the laugh tracks. And
 

5243
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,830
tracks. He added the laugh tracks. And
because there's so much of a divide

5244
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:39,840
because there's so much of a divide
 

5245
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,270
because there's so much of a divide
between people who actually saw the

5246
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:41,280
between people who actually saw the
 

5247
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:42,550
between people who actually saw the
video and people who are watching the

5248
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:42,560
video and people who are watching the
 

5249
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,470
video and people who are watching the
Cartoon video, they're taking that at

5250
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:44,480
Cartoon video, they're taking that at
 

5251
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:46,070
Cartoon video, they're taking that at
face value. Um

5252
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:46,080
face value. Um
 

5253
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:47,030
face value. Um
>> Oh,

5254
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:47,040
>> Oh,
 

5255
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:47,590
>> Oh,
>> yeah.

5256
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:47,600
>> yeah.
 

5257
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,350
>> yeah.
>> I think I think the point you cuz I've

5258
01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:49,360
>> I think I think the point you cuz I've
 

5259
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:50,870
>> I think I think the point you cuz I've
seen it. The point he was trying to make

5260
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:50,880
seen it. The point he was trying to make
 

5261
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,109
seen it. The point he was trying to make
with that whole thing was that it felt

5262
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:53,119
with that whole thing was that it felt
 

5263
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,350
with that whole thing was that it felt
like you were cuz you're a YouTuber,

5264
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:55,360
like you were cuz you're a YouTuber,
 

5265
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,189
like you were cuz you're a YouTuber,
right? Our our whole point in being

5266
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:57,199
right? Our our whole point in being
 

5267
01:45:57,199 --> 01:45:58,790
right? Our our whole point in being
content creators is to try and

5268
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:58,800
content creators is to try and
 

5269
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:02,149
content creators is to try and
entertain, right? But the point that he

5270
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:02,159
entertain, right? But the point that he
 

5271
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:03,750
entertain, right? But the point that he
was trying to get at is is that this is

5272
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:03,760
was trying to get at is is that this is
 

5273
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,590
was trying to get at is is that this is
not a situation where it's about where

5274
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:05,600
not a situation where it's about where
 

5275
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,270
not a situation where it's about where
we need to entertain our audience with

5276
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:07,280
we need to entertain our audience with
 

5277
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,430
we need to entertain our audience with
jokes. We need to take it a little more

5278
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:09,440
jokes. We need to take it a little more
 

5279
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:11,270
jokes. We need to take it a little more
seriously. And so the whole point of it

5280
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:11,280
seriously. And so the whole point of it
 

5281
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,830
seriously. And so the whole point of it
was that you you were incapable of

5282
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:13,840
was that you you were incapable of
 

5283
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,390
was that you you were incapable of
turning off the YouTuber funny man mode

5284
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:16,400
turning off the YouTuber funny man mode
 

5285
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,070
turning off the YouTuber funny man mode
when talking about serious allegations.

5286
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:18,080
when talking about serious allegations.
 

5287
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,109
when talking about serious allegations.
That was kind of why he went over like

5288
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:21,119
That was kind of why he went over like
 

5289
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,350
That was kind of why he went over like
the clips where you included like memes

5290
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:23,360
the clips where you included like memes
 

5291
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,109
the clips where you included like memes
and whatever and all that stuff. Um, it

5292
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:27,119
and whatever and all that stuff. Um, it
 

5293
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:28,950
and whatever and all that stuff. Um, it
most of it was like addressing the tone

5294
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:28,960
most of it was like addressing the tone
 

5295
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,590
most of it was like addressing the tone
of it is what his whole thing was in

5296
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:31,600
of it is what his whole thing was in
 

5297
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:32,870
of it is what his whole thing was in
including all of that and showing

5298
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:32,880
including all of that and showing
 

5299
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,870
including all of that and showing
examples. I don't know if he should have

5300
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:34,880
examples. I don't know if he should have
 

5301
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,550
examples. I don't know if he should have
added that laugh trap. Maybe that did

5302
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:36,560
added that laugh trap. Maybe that did
 

5303
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,470
added that laugh trap. Maybe that did
confuse some people, but like

5304
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:38,480
confuse some people, but like
 

5305
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:40,470
confuse some people, but like
>> I I get the point that they were trying

5306
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:40,480
>> I I get the point that they were trying
 

5307
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:41,990
>> I I get the point that they were trying
to make and they probably could have

5308
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:42,000
to make and they probably could have
 

5309
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:43,590
to make and they probably could have
made it without having to include that

5310
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:43,600
made it without having to include that
 

5311
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,669
made it without having to include that
just as is. Just show the clip as is.

5312
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:45,679
just as is. Just show the clip as is.
 

5313
01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:47,750
just as is. Just show the clip as is.
But no, I get what you're saying.

5314
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:47,760
But no, I get what you're saying.
 

5315
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,189
But no, I get what you're saying.
>> And then the other thing that's

5316
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:49,199
>> And then the other thing that's
 

5317
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:52,390
>> And then the other thing that's
happening is people are

5318
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:52,400
happening is people are
 

5319
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,189
happening is people are
um saying things that can be

5320
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:55,199
um saying things that can be
 

5321
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:59,189
um saying things that can be
screenshotted. Um and like things that

5322
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:59,199
screenshotted. Um and like things that
 

5323
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:02,790
screenshotted. Um and like things that
are meant to be fair critique are like

5324
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:02,800
are meant to be fair critique are like
 

5325
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,030
are meant to be fair critique are like
because they're not worded 100%, you

5326
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:05,040
because they're not worded 100%, you
 

5327
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,990
because they're not worded 100%, you
know, concrete as far as like

5328
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:08,000
know, concrete as far as like
 

5329
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:12,149
know, concrete as far as like
objectivity um is kind of increasing in

5330
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:12,159
objectivity um is kind of increasing in
 

5331
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:14,870
objectivity um is kind of increasing in
indirectly increasing the harassment.

5332
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:14,880
indirectly increasing the harassment.
 

5333
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,590
indirectly increasing the harassment.
So, um,

5334
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:17,600
So, um,
 

5335
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,910
So, um,
uh, yeah. So, I think like, you know, I

5336
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:21,920
uh, yeah. So, I think like, you know, I
 

5337
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,590
uh, yeah. So, I think like, you know, I
don't I don't know cartoon at all. This

5338
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:23,600
don't I don't know cartoon at all. This
 

5339
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,030
don't I don't know cartoon at all. This
is the first time I'm hearing about him,

5340
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:25,040
is the first time I'm hearing about him,
 

5341
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,189
is the first time I'm hearing about him,
frankly, is is through this experience.

5342
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:27,199
frankly, is is through this experience.
 

5343
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:29,430
frankly, is is through this experience.
But like, um, I wish he reach reached

5344
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:29,440
But like, um, I wish he reach reached
 

5345
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:32,629
But like, um, I wish he reach reached
out to me and like, you know, then like,

5346
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:32,639
out to me and like, you know, then like,
 

5347
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:34,950
out to me and like, you know, then like,
hey, you [\h__\h] up, but like, you know,

5348
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:34,960
hey, you [\h__\h] up, but like, you know,
 

5349
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,629
hey, you [\h__\h] up, but like, you know,
like, did do the victims still want a

5350
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:36,639
like, did do the victims still want a
 

5351
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:38,870
like, did do the victims still want a
platform? And like something like that.

5352
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:38,880
platform? And like something like that.
 

5353
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:39,750
platform? And like something like that.
But, you know,

5354
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:39,760
But, you know,
 

5355
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:41,590
But, you know,
>> cuz he said in his video that like the

5356
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:41,600
>> cuz he said in his video that like the
 

5357
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,990
>> cuz he said in his video that like the
the victim testimonies that you feature

5358
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:44,000
the victim testimonies that you feature
 

5359
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,149
the victim testimonies that you feature
could very well have like he didn't

5360
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:46,159
could very well have like he didn't
 

5361
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:47,669
could very well have like he didn't
question the validity of the victims.

5362
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:47,679
question the validity of the victims.
 

5363
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:49,350
question the validity of the victims.
He's like these could very well be very

5364
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:49,360
He's like these could very well be very
 

5365
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:50,870
He's like these could very well be very
serious accusations that have some

5366
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:50,880
serious accusations that have some
 

5367
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,910
serious accusations that have some
weight to it. But because again, I think

5368
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:53,920
weight to it. But because again, I think
 

5369
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:55,990
weight to it. But because again, I think
you could also like argue this as well

5370
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:56,000
you could also like argue this as well
 

5371
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,149
you could also like argue this as well
because it's become so much of an issue

5372
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:58,159
because it's become so much of an issue
 

5373
01:47:58,159 --> 01:47:59,590
because it's become so much of an issue
the tone of it and like how it's

5374
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:59,600
the tone of it and like how it's
 

5375
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,030
the tone of it and like how it's
structured. you can't really tell if

5376
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:03,040
structured. you can't really tell if
 

5377
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,950
structured. you can't really tell if
there is any sort of weight to any of it

5378
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:04,960
there is any sort of weight to any of it
 

5379
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:06,390
there is any sort of weight to any of it
just because so many people are so

5380
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:06,400
just because so many people are so
 

5381
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,149
just because so many people are so
focused on like just the tone of it and

5382
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:08,159
focused on like just the tone of it and
 

5383
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:10,070
focused on like just the tone of it and
how it was like put together

5384
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:10,080
how it was like put together
 

5385
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,149
how it was like put together
>> which I know that that's your problem as

5386
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:12,159
>> which I know that that's your problem as
 

5387
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:14,229
>> which I know that that's your problem as
well is that people are

5388
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:14,239
well is that people are
 

5389
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,629
well is that people are
>> too much focused on that instead of like

5390
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:16,639
>> too much focused on that instead of like
 

5391
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:18,709
>> too much focused on that instead of like
hearing what the stories that are in it

5392
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:18,719
hearing what the stories that are in it
 

5393
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:20,629
hearing what the stories that are in it
but like you have you do understand why

5394
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:20,639
but like you have you do understand why
 

5395
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,790
but like you have you do understand why
people would be way more focused in on

5396
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:22,800
people would be way more focused in on
 

5397
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,550
people would be way more focused in on
like the actual because it's a two-hour

5398
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:24,560
like the actual because it's a two-hour
 

5399
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,109
like the actual because it's a two-hour
video like I mean there's quite a bit to

5400
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:27,119
video like I mean there's quite a bit to
 

5401
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:29,510
video like I mean there's quite a bit to
talk about you know but the dominating

5402
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:29,520
talk about you know but the dominating
 

5403
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,430
talk about you know but the dominating
thing in within in that two hours is

5404
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:31,440
thing in within in that two hours is
 

5405
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:33,990
thing in within in that two hours is
just how none of it made any goddamn

5406
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:34,000
just how none of it made any goddamn
 

5407
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,470
just how none of it made any goddamn
sense.

5408
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:36,480
sense.
 

5409
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:38,709
sense.
>> But

5410
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:38,719
>> But
 

5411
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:41,669
>> But
um yeah, I I did just want to make sure

5412
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:41,679
um yeah, I I did just want to make sure
 

5413
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:44,149
um yeah, I I did just want to make sure
cuz I I am I hope you're okay with this.

5414
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:44,159
cuz I I am I hope you're okay with this.
 

5415
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:45,669
cuz I I am I hope you're okay with this.
I was going to let people kind of hear

5416
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:45,679
I was going to let people kind of hear
 

5417
01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:47,030
I was going to let people kind of hear
this call because they want to hear your

5418
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:47,040
this call because they want to hear your
 

5419
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:48,310
this call because they want to hear your
perspective on it and they want to at

5420
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:48,320
perspective on it and they want to at
 

5421
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,390
perspective on it and they want to at
least include it in their coverage so

5422
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:50,400
least include it in their coverage so
 

5423
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,510
least include it in their coverage so
that you know at least your your side of

5424
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:53,520
that you know at least your your side of
 

5425
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,590
that you know at least your your side of
it is kind of out there. I I hope that

5426
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:55,600
it is kind of out there. I I hope that
 

5427
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,669
it is kind of out there. I I hope that
you're okay with me sharing that at the

5428
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:57,679
you're okay with me sharing that at the
 

5429
01:48:57,679 --> 01:49:00,790
you're okay with me sharing that at the
very least, right? Um, yeah. I think,

5430
01:49:00,790 --> 01:49:00,800
very least, right? Um, yeah. I think,
 

5431
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,350
very least, right? Um, yeah. I think,
um, my only my only concern right now is

5432
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:03,360
um, my only my only concern right now is
 

5433
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,830
um, my only my only concern right now is
like I still want time to think about

5434
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:05,840
like I still want time to think about
 

5435
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,910
like I still want time to think about
how to address it publicly on my own.

5436
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:07,920
how to address it publicly on my own.
 

5437
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,669
how to address it publicly on my own.
So, I don't want this to be the defining

5438
01:49:09,669 --> 01:49:09,679
So, I don't want this to be the defining
 

5439
01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:11,990
So, I don't want this to be the defining
thing, but like with other creators and

5440
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:12,000
thing, but like with other creators and
 

5441
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,830
thing, but like with other creators and
stuff, that's fine. And then maybe you

5442
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:13,840
stuff, that's fine. And then maybe you
 

5443
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,669
stuff, that's fine. And then maybe you
can ask me later and like I can I'll

5444
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:15,679
can ask me later and like I can I'll
 

5445
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:16,870
can ask me later and like I can I'll
change my mind. So, I'm not really

5446
01:49:16,870 --> 01:49:16,880
change my mind. So, I'm not really
 

5447
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,350
change my mind. So, I'm not really
worried about anything in this or like

5448
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:19,360
worried about anything in this or like
 

5449
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:20,709
worried about anything in this or like
>> Yeah. I'm just letting you know very

5450
01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:20,719
>> Yeah. I'm just letting you know very
 

5451
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:22,629
>> Yeah. I'm just letting you know very
much like this is going to end up

5452
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:22,639
much like this is going to end up
 

5453
01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:24,709
much like this is going to end up
probably in other people's coverage just

5454
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:24,719
probably in other people's coverage just
 

5455
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:26,550
probably in other people's coverage just
so you aware.

5456
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:26,560
so you aware.
 

5457
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,310
so you aware.
>> Okay. And there is one more thing I

5458
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:28,320
>> Okay. And there is one more thing I
 

5459
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:31,430
>> Okay. And there is one more thing I
think that should be stated and I I only

5460
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:31,440
think that should be stated and I I only
 

5461
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,310
think that should be stated and I I only
want to ask this. I understand you and

5462
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:34,320
want to ask this. I understand you and
 

5463
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,070
want to ask this. I understand you and
Courtney are friends. I am not asking

5464
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:36,080
Courtney are friends. I am not asking
 

5465
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,310
Courtney are friends. I am not asking
this for you to turn on them, but I am

5466
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:38,320
this for you to turn on them, but I am
 

5467
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,550
this for you to turn on them, but I am
asking this because their behavior very

5468
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:40,560
asking this because their behavior very
 

5469
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,950
asking this because their behavior very
publicly with how intergrained they are

5470
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:42,960
publicly with how intergrained they are
 

5471
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,669
publicly with how intergrained they are
in this video as well as their um Gabe

5472
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:45,679
in this video as well as their um Gabe
 

5473
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:47,270
in this video as well as their um Gabe
coverage is kind of interconnected into

5474
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:47,280
coverage is kind of interconnected into
 

5475
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,470
coverage is kind of interconnected into
all of this. Um there's people who are

5476
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:50,480
all of this. Um there's people who are
 

5477
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,629
all of this. Um there's people who are
very

5478
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:52,639
very
 

5479
01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:54,470
very
up peeved, let's say, about their

5480
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:54,480
up peeved, let's say, about their
 

5481
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:56,149
up peeved, let's say, about their
behavior in the live chat because this

5482
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:56,159
behavior in the live chat because this
 

5483
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:57,350
behavior in the live chat because this
was something that was also addressed in

5484
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:57,360
was something that was also addressed in
 

5485
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,830
was something that was also addressed in
Cartoon Cheese's video um that they've

5486
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:59,840
Cartoon Cheese's video um that they've
 

5487
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:04,550
Cartoon Cheese's video um that they've
been kind of going on a tirade um about

5488
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:04,560
been kind of going on a tirade um about
 

5489
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,790
been kind of going on a tirade um about
how people are kind of reacting to it

5490
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:06,800
how people are kind of reacting to it
 

5491
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,189
how people are kind of reacting to it
and especially with this um there was a

5492
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:09,199
and especially with this um there was a
 

5493
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:10,950
and especially with this um there was a
CSA survivor that was very critical and

5494
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:10,960
CSA survivor that was very critical and
 

5495
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,189
CSA survivor that was very critical and
they were very rude to them in live

5496
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:13,199
they were very rude to them in live
 

5497
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:16,310
they were very rude to them in live
chat. Can you just kind of not that you

5498
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:16,320
chat. Can you just kind of not that you
 

5499
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,390
chat. Can you just kind of not that you
have to answer on their behalf that this

5500
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:18,400
have to answer on their behalf that this
 

5501
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,229
have to answer on their behalf that this
is their behavior, not yours, but

5502
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:20,239
is their behavior, not yours, but
 

5503
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:21,910
is their behavior, not yours, but
considering that you featured them in

5504
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:21,920
considering that you featured them in
 

5505
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,669
considering that you featured them in
that video and this is their behavior

5506
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:23,679
that video and this is their behavior
 

5507
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:26,149
that video and this is their behavior
that reflects not on your you and your

5508
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:26,159
that reflects not on your you and your
 

5509
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,390
that reflects not on your you and your
character or your video just like cuz

5510
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:28,400
character or your video just like cuz
 

5511
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,310
character or your video just like cuz
they're featured in it, right? So, could

5512
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:30,320
they're featured in it, right? So, could
 

5513
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,189
they're featured in it, right? So, could
you

5514
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:31,199
you
 

5515
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:34,390
you
>> at least in let whoever know that like

5516
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:34,400
>> at least in let whoever know that like
 

5517
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:35,590
>> at least in let whoever know that like
at least the things that are going on

5518
01:50:35,590 --> 01:50:35,600
at least the things that are going on
 

5519
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,109
at least the things that are going on
with Courtney like how you feel about

5520
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:37,119
with Courtney like how you feel about
 

5521
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:38,390
with Courtney like how you feel about
that personally,

5522
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:38,400
that personally,
 

5523
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:39,109
that personally,
>> right?

5524
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:39,119
>> right?
 

5525
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:40,629
>> right?
>> You don't have to turn on her. Just, you

5526
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:40,639
>> You don't have to turn on her. Just, you
 

5527
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:43,030
>> You don't have to turn on her. Just, you
know, give an honest opinion. turned her

5528
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:43,040
know, give an honest opinion. turned her
 

5529
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,830
know, give an honest opinion. turned her
into the internet police. No. Um, I I

5530
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:45,840
into the internet police. No. Um, I I
 

5531
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,950
into the internet police. No. Um, I I
told her at the time that like I get

5532
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:48,960
told her at the time that like I get
 

5533
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,390
told her at the time that like I get
that she was trying to help me with the

5534
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:52,400
that she was trying to help me with the
 

5535
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,990
that she was trying to help me with the
like defend the video um like in

5536
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:56,000
like defend the video um like in
 

5537
01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:01,109
like defend the video um like in
general, but um you know I told her like

5538
01:51:01,109 --> 01:51:01,119
general, but um you know I told her like
 

5539
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:03,350
general, but um you know I told her like
um that I was kind of frustrated with

5540
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:03,360
um that I was kind of frustrated with
 

5541
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:05,510
um that I was kind of frustrated with
things and I went to found and found the

5542
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:05,520
things and I went to found and found the
 

5543
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:09,350
things and I went to found and found the
the person that was rude she was rude to

5544
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:09,360
the person that was rude she was rude to
 

5545
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:12,470
the person that was rude she was rude to
on um uh in the live stream and I

5546
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:12,480
on um uh in the live stream and I
 

5547
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,229
on um uh in the live stream and I
apologize and I tried to get Courtney to

5548
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:14,239
apologize and I tried to get Courtney to
 

5549
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:15,590
apologize and I tried to get Courtney to
apologize. ologize, but Courtney did not

5550
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:15,600
apologize. ologize, but Courtney did not
 

5551
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,830
apologize. ologize, but Courtney did not
want to apologize. Courtney is um

5552
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:17,840
want to apologize. Courtney is um
 

5553
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,229
want to apologize. Courtney is um
Courtney has opinions. So, um but yeah,

5554
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:20,239
Courtney has opinions. So, um but yeah,
 

5555
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:23,189
Courtney has opinions. So, um but yeah,
two things to factor uh with Courtney um

5556
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:23,199
two things to factor uh with Courtney um
 

5557
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,750
two things to factor uh with Courtney um
like right now in general. Um again, not

5558
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:25,760
like right now in general. Um again, not
 

5559
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,510
like right now in general. Um again, not
that this is an excuse, but just maybe

5560
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:27,520
that this is an excuse, but just maybe
 

5561
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,109
that this is an excuse, but just maybe
like um something to consider. Um so,

5562
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:31,119
like um something to consider. Um so,
 

5563
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:35,510
like um something to consider. Um so,
yeah. So, a um they they are going

5564
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:35,520
yeah. So, a um they they are going
 

5565
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,510
yeah. So, a um they they are going
through a hard time right now because

5566
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:37,520
through a hard time right now because
 

5567
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,430
through a hard time right now because
they're it's a death anniversary or it

5568
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:39,440
they're it's a death anniversary or it
 

5569
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:42,790
they're it's a death anniversary or it
was on Monday. Um, so their their

5570
01:51:42,790 --> 01:51:42,800
was on Monday. Um, so their their
 

5571
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:44,629
was on Monday. Um, so their their
mother-in-law or their boyfriend's uh

5572
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:44,639
mother-in-law or their boyfriend's uh
 

5573
01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:47,589
mother-in-law or their boyfriend's uh
mother basically at 60 bas like died of

5574
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:47,599
mother basically at 60 bas like died of
 

5575
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:49,910
mother basically at 60 bas like died of
a stroke and dropped dead and they had

5576
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:49,920
a stroke and dropped dead and they had
 

5577
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,030
a stroke and dropped dead and they had
to like clean up the the body fluids and

5578
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:53,040
to like clean up the the body fluids and
 

5579
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,669
to like clean up the the body fluids and
stuff like that as well. So, um I

5580
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:55,679
stuff like that as well. So, um I
 

5581
01:51:55,679 --> 01:51:58,229
stuff like that as well. So, um I
imagine that is stressful and upsetting.

5582
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:58,239
imagine that is stressful and upsetting.
 

5583
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:01,109
imagine that is stressful and upsetting.
So, I don't I don't you know, but she's

5584
01:52:01,109 --> 01:52:01,119
So, I don't I don't you know, but she's
 

5585
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:03,189
So, I don't I don't you know, but she's
she's just stubborn right now, I guess.

5586
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:03,199
she's just stubborn right now, I guess.
 

5587
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,750
she's just stubborn right now, I guess.
So, I'm hoping that

5588
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:05,760
So, I'm hoping that
 

5589
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,430
So, I'm hoping that
um

5590
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:07,440
um
 

5591
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,830
um
like I understand her her point of view,

5592
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:09,840
like I understand her her point of view,
 

5593
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:12,310
like I understand her her point of view,
but like her point of view

5594
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:12,320
but like her point of view
 

5595
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:14,629
but like her point of view
probably doesn't define it her uh it for

5596
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:14,639
probably doesn't define it her uh it for
 

5597
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:16,790
probably doesn't define it her uh it for
everyone else, you know? And maybe for

5598
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:16,800
everyone else, you know? And maybe for
 

5599
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:18,709
everyone else, you know? And maybe for
Courtney, the whole the perspective on

5600
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:18,719
Courtney, the whole the perspective on
 

5601
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:21,510
Courtney, the whole the perspective on
it is I feature in a video where we're

5602
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:21,520
it is I feature in a video where we're
 

5603
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:22,870
it is I feature in a video where we're
bringing victim stories to life,

5604
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:22,880
bringing victim stories to life,
 

5605
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,109
bringing victim stories to life,
therefore it's a good thing. And anyone

5606
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:25,119
therefore it's a good thing. And anyone
 

5607
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:27,189
therefore it's a good thing. And anyone
critical of it is not believing in

5608
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:27,199
critical of it is not believing in
 

5609
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,510
critical of it is not believing in
victims, therefore bad. You know, like

5610
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:29,520
victims, therefore bad. You know, like
 

5611
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:31,830
victims, therefore bad. You know, like
the black and white like two sides

5612
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:31,840
the black and white like two sides
 

5613
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,070
the black and white like two sides
thing. But it's not that it's impossible

5614
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:34,080
thing. But it's not that it's impossible
 

5615
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:35,910
thing. But it's not that it's impossible
to view things in grays. It's more so

5616
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:35,920
to view things in grays. It's more so
 

5617
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:38,310
to view things in grays. It's more so
just like a

5618
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:38,320
just like a
 

5619
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,550
just like a
very much a distinguishing of like good

5620
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:40,560
very much a distinguishing of like good
 

5621
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,470
very much a distinguishing of like good
versus evil kind of thing. You know what

5622
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:42,480
versus evil kind of thing. You know what
 

5623
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:43,669
versus evil kind of thing. You know what
I mean? And

5624
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:43,679
I mean? And
 

5625
01:52:43,679 --> 01:52:44,550
I mean? And
>> Right. Right.

5626
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:44,560
>> Right. Right.
 

5627
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,550
>> Right. Right.
>> I don't see that as an excuse for her

5628
01:52:46,550 --> 01:52:46,560
>> I don't see that as an excuse for her
 

5629
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,870
>> I don't see that as an excuse for her
behavior, but I do understand it. Right.

5630
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:48,880
behavior, but I do understand it. Right.
 

5631
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,149
behavior, but I do understand it. Right.
I do. I still think she should

5632
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:50,159
I do. I still think she should
 

5633
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:54,390
I do. I still think she should
apologize. Yeah. But like I I feel like

5634
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:54,400
apologize. Yeah. But like I I feel like
 

5635
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:55,990
apologize. Yeah. But like I I feel like
people are very much like there's no

5636
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:56,000
people are very much like there's no
 

5637
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:57,750
people are very much like there's no
excuse for this behavior, but they won't

5638
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:57,760
excuse for this behavior, but they won't
 

5639
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,750
excuse for this behavior, but they won't
end up listening to an explanation of

5640
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:59,760
end up listening to an explanation of
 

5641
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,750
end up listening to an explanation of
behavior. like they'll see an

5642
01:53:01,750 --> 01:53:01,760
behavior. like they'll see an
 

5643
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,750
behavior. like they'll see an
explanation of behavior as an excuse.

5644
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:03,760
explanation of behavior as an excuse.
 

5645
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:05,430
explanation of behavior as an excuse.
I'm not making any excuses. I still

5646
01:53:05,430 --> 01:53:05,440
I'm not making any excuses. I still
 

5647
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:08,070
I'm not making any excuses. I still
think it's shitty, but I do also

5648
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:08,080
think it's shitty, but I do also
 

5649
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,510
think it's shitty, but I do also
acknowledge that mental health is a

5650
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:09,520
acknowledge that mental health is a
 

5651
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:13,109
acknowledge that mental health is a
thing. Um, yeah. So, you know, I, you

5652
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:13,119
thing. Um, yeah. So, you know, I, you
 

5653
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,030
thing. Um, yeah. So, you know, I, you
know, I've asked her, like I've asked

5654
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:15,040
know, I've asked her, like I've asked
 

5655
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:16,870
know, I've asked her, like I've asked
her to apologize. She doesn't want to

5656
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:16,880
her to apologize. She doesn't want to
 

5657
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:19,830
her to apologize. She doesn't want to
like, so I I get it. like like I I

5658
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:19,840
like, so I I get it. like like I I
 

5659
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,310
like, so I I get it. like like I I
assume the the girl who was talking. So

5660
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:22,320
assume the the girl who was talking. So
 

5661
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,629
assume the the girl who was talking. So
the problem for people who are not aware

5662
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:24,639
the problem for people who are not aware
 

5663
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:28,229
the problem for people who are not aware
is that she worded things like as a CSA

5664
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:28,239
is that she worded things like as a CSA
 

5665
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:30,870
is that she worded things like as a CSA
survivor and then I think opinion about

5666
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:30,880
survivor and then I think opinion about
 

5667
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,589
survivor and then I think opinion about
the video and Courtney saw that wording

5668
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:33,599
the video and Courtney saw that wording
 

5669
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:36,070
the video and Courtney saw that wording
problematic because she felt like she

5670
01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:36,080
problematic because she felt like she
 

5671
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,070
problematic because she felt like she
was using that to justify her opinions

5672
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:38,080
was using that to justify her opinions
 

5673
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:39,189
was using that to justify her opinions
on the video,

5674
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:39,199
on the video,
 

5675
01:53:39,199 --> 01:53:42,870
on the video,
>> right? Um, yeah. So, you know, I'm sure

5676
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:42,880
>> right? Um, yeah. So, you know, I'm sure
 

5677
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,950
>> right? Um, yeah. So, you know, I'm sure
she meant she she meant well, at least

5678
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:44,960
she meant she she meant well, at least
 

5679
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,510
she meant she she meant well, at least
from my perspective, but um, you know, I

5680
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:47,520
from my perspective, but um, you know, I
 

5681
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,990
from my perspective, but um, you know, I
I see why it like, for lack of a better

5682
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:50,000
I see why it like, for lack of a better
 

5683
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,950
I see why it like, for lack of a better
word, upset Courtney. Um,

5684
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:52,960
word, upset Courtney. Um,
 

5685
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,550
word, upset Courtney. Um,
but oh, and then for the record, too,

5686
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:54,560
but oh, and then for the record, too,
 

5687
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,990
but oh, and then for the record, too,
I'm not friends with Christian. Like,

5688
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:56,000
I'm not friends with Christian. Like,
 

5689
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,310
I'm not friends with Christian. Like,
please stop asking me. Just in case

5690
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:58,320
please stop asking me. Just in case
 

5691
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,470
please stop asking me. Just in case
anyone was aware, Christian is not in

5692
01:54:00,470 --> 01:54:00,480
anyone was aware, Christian is not in
 

5693
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:01,910
anyone was aware, Christian is not in
the chat.

5694
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:01,920
the chat.
 

5695
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,830
the chat.
So, I had um I had some like some

5696
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:05,840
So, I had um I had some like some
 

5697
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,950
So, I had um I had some like some
Twitter interactions with them before

5698
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:08,960
Twitter interactions with them before
 

5699
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,350
Twitter interactions with them before
the mother incident. I was not aware of

5700
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:11,360
the mother incident. I was not aware of
 

5701
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:14,070
the mother incident. I was not aware of
Christian as a concept before that. I

5702
01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:14,080
Christian as a concept before that. I
 

5703
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,310
Christian as a concept before that. I
was just being like I usually respond to

5704
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:16,320
was just being like I usually respond to
 

5705
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,830
was just being like I usually respond to
people on Twitter if they're if they're

5706
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:17,840
people on Twitter if they're if they're
 

5707
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:21,270
people on Twitter if they're if they're
nice or whatever. So, um you know, like

5708
01:54:21,270 --> 01:54:21,280
nice or whatever. So, um you know, like
 

5709
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:22,870
nice or whatever. So, um you know, like
you know, you can check like my history

5710
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:22,880
you know, you can check like my history
 

5711
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:26,709
you know, you can check like my history
to see all that. So, um Chris Chan has

5712
01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:26,719
to see all that. So, um Chris Chan has
 

5713
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:29,750
to see all that. So, um Chris Chan has
um been to Brony Con before, I think

5714
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:29,760
um been to Brony Con before, I think
 

5715
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:33,109
um been to Brony Con before, I think
twice, and he's or sorry, they have um

5716
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:33,119
twice, and he's or sorry, they have um
 

5717
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:36,709
twice, and he's or sorry, they have um
given me um fan art directly in person

5718
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:36,719
given me um fan art directly in person
 

5719
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:41,510
given me um fan art directly in person
before. Um so, that's that's weird to

5720
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:41,520
before. Um so, that's that's weird to
 

5721
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:46,709
before. Um so, that's that's weird to
think about. Um and then um once

5722
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:46,719
think about. Um and then um once
 

5723
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:48,950
think about. Um and then um once
>> like they tried to rim with me in a con

5724
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:48,960
>> like they tried to rim with me in a con
 

5725
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:53,189
>> like they tried to rim with me in a con
hotel right before the out. Yeah. And I

5726
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:53,199
hotel right before the out. Yeah. And I
 

5727
01:54:53,199 --> 01:54:55,430
hotel right before the out. Yeah. And I
was like, "No, thanks." Like, I was

5728
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:55,440
was like, "No, thanks." Like, I was
 

5729
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,470
was like, "No, thanks." Like, I was
asking for mutuals um to share a room

5730
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:58,480
asking for mutuals um to share a room
 

5731
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,149
asking for mutuals um to share a room
for this con that was coming up and

5732
01:55:00,149 --> 01:55:00,159
for this con that was coming up and
 

5733
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:02,310
for this con that was coming up and
Chris thought that they were a mutual

5734
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:02,320
Chris thought that they were a mutual
 

5735
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:05,990
Chris thought that they were a mutual
and and offered to share the room. And I

5736
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:06,000
and and offered to share the room. And I
 

5737
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,790
and and offered to share the room. And I
was like, "Uh,

5738
01:55:08,790 --> 01:55:08,800
was like, "Uh,
 

5739
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,709
was like, "Uh,
>> dude, if I were ever approached by

5740
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:10,719
>> dude, if I were ever approached by
 

5741
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:12,950
>> dude, if I were ever approached by
Christian to bunk with them at any place

5742
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:12,960
Christian to bunk with them at any place
 

5743
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,030
Christian to bunk with them at any place
ever, I think I would die. I don't I

5744
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:15,040
ever, I think I would die. I don't I
 

5745
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,270
ever, I think I would die. I don't I
don't think I'd be able to handle that

5746
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:17,280
don't think I'd be able to handle that
 

5747
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:18,790
don't think I'd be able to handle that
the fact that I exist in that same

5748
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:18,800
the fact that I exist in that same
 

5749
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:20,550
the fact that I exist in that same
reality where Christian knows of my

5750
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:20,560
reality where Christian knows of my
 

5751
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:21,589
reality where Christian knows of my
existence,

5752
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:21,599
existence,
 

5753
01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:24,950
existence,
>> right? But you can't really like

5754
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:24,960
>> right? But you can't really like
 

5755
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,430
>> right? But you can't really like
understand Christian until like you

5756
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:27,440
understand Christian until like you
 

5757
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,550
understand Christian until like you
understand Christian. So I was just like

5758
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:30,560
understand Christian. So I was just like
 

5759
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,229
understand Christian. So I was just like
they're a little weird but it's a brony

5760
01:55:32,229 --> 01:55:32,239
they're a little weird but it's a brony
 

5761
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:33,830
they're a little weird but it's a brony
convention. Everyone's a little weird.

5762
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:33,840
convention. Everyone's a little weird.
 

5763
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,030
convention. Everyone's a little weird.
Like whatever.

5764
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:35,040
Like whatever.
 

5765
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:38,149
Like whatever.
>> I'll be nice. Like um and then like

5766
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:38,159
>> I'll be nice. Like um and then like
 

5767
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:41,030
>> I'll be nice. Like um and then like
after the Mother stuff came out um you

5768
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:41,040
after the Mother stuff came out um you
 

5769
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,589
after the Mother stuff came out um you
know that's no bueno. Um

5770
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:43,599
know that's no bueno. Um
 

5771
01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:45,589
know that's no bueno. Um
>> very much no bueno.

5772
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:45,599
>> very much no bueno.
 

5773
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:47,350
>> very much no bueno.
>> Yeah. So I've tried to decrease my

5774
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:47,360
>> Yeah. So I've tried to decrease my
 

5775
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:48,790
>> Yeah. So I've tried to decrease my
interactions with them but they are

5776
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:48,800
interactions with them but they are
 

5777
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,310
interactions with them but they are
actively a fan. So, um they are now

5778
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:52,320
actively a fan. So, um they are now
 

5779
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:54,629
actively a fan. So, um they are now
kicked from the chat and they were also

5780
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:54,639
kicked from the chat and they were also
 

5781
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,589
kicked from the chat and they were also
um like a year or two ago or maybe even

5782
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:57,599
um like a year or two ago or maybe even
 

5783
01:55:57,599 --> 01:56:01,350
um like a year or two ago or maybe even
longer for like before that. Uh we found

5784
01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:01,360
longer for like before that. Uh we found
 

5785
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,750
longer for like before that. Uh we found
them in the fan server that they've been

5786
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:03,760
them in the fan server that they've been
 

5787
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,629
them in the fan server that they've been
kicked out of for like a very long time.

5788
01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:06,639
kicked out of for like a very long time.
 

5789
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:09,189
kicked out of for like a very long time.
So, um

5790
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:09,199
So, um
 

5791
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:13,589
So, um
yeah. Uh not a not a fan. Um, no, they

5792
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:13,599
yeah. Uh not a not a fan. Um, no, they
 

5793
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:15,430
yeah. Uh not a not a fan. Um, no, they
are a thing that exists on the internet,

5794
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:15,440
are a thing that exists on the internet,
 

5795
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,149
are a thing that exists on the internet,
but you know, and they like the content,

5796
01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:18,159
but you know, and they like the content,
 

5797
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,669
but you know, and they like the content,
but that doesn't mean I want to be

5798
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:21,679
but that doesn't mean I want to be
 

5799
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:22,870
but that doesn't mean I want to be
friends with them.

5800
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:22,880
friends with them.
 

5801
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,709
friends with them.
>> Fair enough. I wouldn't want to be

5802
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:24,719
>> Fair enough. I wouldn't want to be
 

5803
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:28,149
>> Fair enough. I wouldn't want to be
friends with them either,

5804
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:28,159
friends with them either,
 

5805
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,550
friends with them either,
but I think that's that's good. Um, I'm

5806
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:30,560
but I think that's that's good. Um, I'm
 

5807
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:32,470
but I think that's that's good. Um, I'm
going to probably head out and, you

5808
01:56:32,470 --> 01:56:32,480
going to probably head out and, you
 

5809
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:35,109
going to probably head out and, you
know, have this on recording. We've gone

5810
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:35,119
know, have this on recording. We've gone
 

5811
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:36,629
know, have this on recording. We've gone
about this for another two hours. I

5812
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:36,639
about this for another two hours. I
 

5813
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:39,270
about this for another two hours. I
don't know why this keeps happening,

5814
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:39,280
don't know why this keeps happening,
 

5815
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:40,950
don't know why this keeps happening,
but thank you for at least, you know,

5816
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:40,960
but thank you for at least, you know,
 

5817
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,550
but thank you for at least, you know,
sitting down and explaining that for me.

5818
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:42,560
sitting down and explaining that for me.
 

5819
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,709
sitting down and explaining that for me.
I I do appreciate it cuz that

5820
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:44,719
I I do appreciate it cuz that
 

5821
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:46,870
I I do appreciate it cuz that
>> Yeah. Well, as you can imagine, I feel

5822
01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:46,880
>> Yeah. Well, as you can imagine, I feel
 

5823
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,109
>> Yeah. Well, as you can imagine, I feel
horrible and I just kind of want the

5824
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:49,119
horrible and I just kind of want the
 

5825
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:51,750
horrible and I just kind of want the
victims to to get their spotlight. So, I

5826
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:51,760
victims to to get their spotlight. So, I
 

5827
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:54,790
victims to to get their spotlight. So, I
haven't decided how or if I'm going to

5828
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:54,800
haven't decided how or if I'm going to
 

5829
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,870
haven't decided how or if I'm going to
like to do that, but I just want to like

5830
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:58,880
like to do that, but I just want to like
 

5831
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,430
like to do that, but I just want to like
do what I can right now that is like for

5832
01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:01,440
do what I can right now that is like for
 

5833
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,430
do what I can right now that is like for
people that don't yell at me. So, thanks

5834
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:03,440
people that don't yell at me. So, thanks
 

5835
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,030
people that don't yell at me. So, thanks
thanks for being thanks for not yelling

5836
01:57:05,030 --> 01:57:05,040
thanks for being thanks for not yelling
 

5837
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:06,229
thanks for being thanks for not yelling
at me. You know,

5838
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:06,239
at me. You know,
 

5839
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:07,910
at me. You know,
>> I get it. Um,

5840
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:07,920
>> I get it. Um,
 

5841
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:08,470
>> I get it. Um,
>> but um

5842
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:08,480
>> but um
 

5843
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:09,430
>> but um
>> you know it

5844
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:09,440
>> you know it
 

5845
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,270
>> you know it
>> in terms of like cuz I want to make sure

5846
01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:11,280
>> in terms of like cuz I want to make sure
 

5847
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,550
>> in terms of like cuz I want to make sure
that like you have some public thing out

5848
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:14,560
that like you have some public thing out
 

5849
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,390
that like you have some public thing out
there. Are you going to address this

5850
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:16,400
there. Are you going to address this
 

5851
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,149
there. Are you going to address this
whole thing publicly in a video format

5852
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:18,159
whole thing publicly in a video format
 

5853
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:21,430
whole thing publicly in a video format
or like in a a statement thing or what?

5854
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:21,440
or like in a a statement thing or what?
 

5855
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,550
or like in a a statement thing or what?
>> Um, I haven't decided. Um, as we've been

5856
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:24,560
>> Um, I haven't decided. Um, as we've been
 

5857
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,350
>> Um, I haven't decided. Um, as we've been
talking, the Saber victim has been um

5858
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:27,360
talking, the Saber victim has been um
 

5859
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:29,350
talking, the Saber victim has been um
DMing me stuff, so I haven't had a

5860
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:29,360
DMing me stuff, so I haven't had a
 

5861
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,750
DMing me stuff, so I haven't had a
chance. But I think we t talked about

5862
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:31,760
chance. But I think we t talked about
 

5863
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,149
chance. But I think we t talked about
this earlier where um they were ill and

5864
01:57:34,149 --> 01:57:34,159
this earlier where um they were ill and
 

5865
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:36,070
this earlier where um they were ill and
in the hospital, but I wanted to touch

5866
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:36,080
in the hospital, but I wanted to touch
 

5867
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,189
in the hospital, but I wanted to touch
base with them before I made a decision.

5868
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:39,199
base with them before I made a decision.
 

5869
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:40,229
base with them before I made a decision.
>> Um

5870
01:57:40,229 --> 01:57:40,239
>> Um
 

5871
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:40,550
>> Um
>> so,

5872
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:40,560
>> so,
 

5873
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,229
>> so,
>> all right. I was just making sure cuz if

5874
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:42,239
>> all right. I was just making sure cuz if
 

5875
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,310
>> all right. I was just making sure cuz if
you are going to I want that to come out

5876
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:44,320
you are going to I want that to come out
 

5877
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,070
you are going to I want that to come out
first before we

5878
01:57:46,070 --> 01:57:46,080
first before we
 

5879
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:49,589
first before we
>> you know cuz like the the whole idea is

5880
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:49,599
>> you know cuz like the the whole idea is
 

5881
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:52,310
>> you know cuz like the the whole idea is
like talk about like try to bring more

5882
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:52,320
like talk about like try to bring more
 

5883
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,589
like talk about like try to bring more
clarity about the the

5884
01:57:55,589 --> 01:57:55,599
clarity about the the
 

5885
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:56,550
clarity about the the
uh

5886
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:56,560
uh
 

5887
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:57,669
uh
>> the train wreck. Yeah.

5888
01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:57,679
>> the train wreck. Yeah.
 

5889
01:57:57,679 --> 01:57:59,910
>> the train wreck. Yeah.
>> Yeah. The train wreck. Like address your

5890
01:57:59,910 --> 01:57:59,920
>> Yeah. The train wreck. Like address your
 

5891
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:01,510
>> Yeah. The train wreck. Like address your
video as the train wreck it is, but also

5892
01:58:01,510 --> 01:58:01,520
video as the train wreck it is, but also
 

5893
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,270
video as the train wreck it is, but also
like look into the allegations you're

5894
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:03,280
like look into the allegations you're
 

5895
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,589
like look into the allegations you're
actually making and like be like, "Let's

5896
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:05,599
actually making and like be like, "Let's
 

5897
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:08,550
actually making and like be like, "Let's
have an actual conversation about it."

5898
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:08,560
have an actual conversation about it."
 

5899
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:09,109
have an actual conversation about it."
Like,

5900
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:09,119
Like,
 

5901
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:09,669
Like,
>> right?

5902
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:09,679
>> right?
 

5903
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,589
>> right?
>> Basically, the video will be how not to

5904
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:11,599
>> Basically, the video will be how not to
 

5905
01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:13,990
>> Basically, the video will be how not to
address allegations. I assume cuz I'm

5906
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:14,000
address allegations. I assume cuz I'm
 

5907
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,750
address allegations. I assume cuz I'm
not making it somebody else. But like, I

5908
01:58:15,750 --> 01:58:15,760
not making it somebody else. But like, I
 

5909
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,589
not making it somebody else. But like, I
assume that's what it's probably going

5910
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:17,599
assume that's what it's probably going
 

5911
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,470
assume that's what it's probably going
to be.

5912
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:20,480
to be.
 

5913
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:24,070
to be.
Yeah. Um I mean, yeah. at that po at

5914
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:24,080
Yeah. Um I mean, yeah. at that po at
 

5915
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:26,070
Yeah. Um I mean, yeah. at that po at
this point like I just want people to

5916
01:58:26,070 --> 01:58:26,080
this point like I just want people to
 

5917
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,709
this point like I just want people to
focus on the victim stories and like you

5918
01:58:28,709 --> 01:58:28,719
focus on the victim stories and like you
 

5919
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:30,870
focus on the victim stories and like you
know I know I know like this is what I

5920
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:30,880
know I know I know like this is what I
 

5921
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,270
know I know I know like this is what I
meant on the the the tweet that I had of

5922
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:33,280
meant on the the the tweet that I had of
 

5923
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,030
meant on the the the tweet that I had of
just like I know donkey on me is fun

5924
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:35,040
just like I know donkey on me is fun
 

5925
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:36,950
just like I know donkey on me is fun
guys like so that wasn't meant to

5926
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:36,960
guys like so that wasn't meant to
 

5927
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:38,550
guys like so that wasn't meant to
distract that was just kind of like

5928
01:58:38,550 --> 01:58:38,560
distract that was just kind of like
 

5929
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:43,510
distract that was just kind of like
acknowledging that um yeah so um but I

5930
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:43,520
acknowledging that um yeah so um but I
 

5931
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,470
acknowledging that um yeah so um but I
like a video about the victims or even

5932
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:46,480
like a video about the victims or even
 

5933
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:48,070
like a video about the victims or even
including the victims I feel like is

5934
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:48,080
including the victims I feel like is
 

5935
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,910
including the victims I feel like is
going to be a lot more lot more

5936
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:49,920
going to be a lot more lot more
 

5937
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:52,550
going to be a lot more lot more
beneficial than just like okay made made

5938
01:58:52,550 --> 01:58:52,560
beneficial than just like okay made made
 

5939
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:56,149
beneficial than just like okay made made
some bad choices. Woo! Woo. So, um, you

5940
01:58:56,149 --> 01:58:56,159
some bad choices. Woo! Woo. So, um, you
 

5941
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:56,390
some bad choices. Woo! Woo. So, um, you
know,

5942
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:56,400
know,
 

5943
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,310
know,
>> I guess I should I guess I should ask

5944
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:58,320
>> I guess I should I guess I should ask
 

5945
01:58:58,320 --> 01:58:59,910
>> I guess I should I guess I should ask
this if we are going to like speak to

5946
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:59,920
this if we are going to like speak to
 

5947
01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:02,229
this if we are going to like speak to
this person, right? Like just to see

5948
01:59:02,229 --> 01:59:02,239
this person, right? Like just to see
 

5949
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:04,470
this person, right? Like just to see
their perspective. You you said that

5950
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:04,480
their perspective. You you said that
 

5951
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:06,709
their perspective. You you said that
like I think you mentioned while we were

5952
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:06,719
like I think you mentioned while we were
 

5953
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,070
like I think you mentioned while we were
talking that there's not a whole lot of

5954
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:08,080
talking that there's not a whole lot of
 

5955
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:10,229
talking that there's not a whole lot of
evidence. Is there not very much like a

5956
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:10,239
evidence. Is there not very much like a
 

5957
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:12,229
evidence. Is there not very much like a
paper trail in regards to all of this

5958
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:12,239
paper trail in regards to all of this
 

5959
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:14,550
paper trail in regards to all of this
that's going on? Like do they

5960
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:14,560
that's going on? Like do they
 

5961
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,149
that's going on? Like do they
>> Well,

5962
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:16,159
>> Well,
 

5963
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:19,430
>> Well,
the problem is that it this a lot like

5964
01:59:19,430 --> 01:59:19,440
the problem is that it this a lot like
 

5965
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:22,709
the problem is that it this a lot like
it was 2012. So this happened through

5966
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:22,719
it was 2012. So this happened through
 

5967
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:24,950
it was 2012. So this happened through
Skype and Skype for those who aren't

5968
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:24,960
Skype and Skype for those who aren't
 

5969
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:29,189
Skype and Skype for those who aren't
aware is getting deleted soon. So um you

5970
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:29,199
aware is getting deleted soon. So um you
 

5971
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:32,709
aware is getting deleted soon. So um you
know there I think all the records like

5972
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:32,719
know there I think all the records like
 

5973
01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:35,030
know there I think all the records like
uh they've checked and they're not

5974
01:59:35,030 --> 01:59:35,040
uh they've checked and they're not
 

5975
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:36,709
uh they've checked and they're not
there. So unless there's some way to

5976
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:36,719
there. So unless there's some way to
 

5977
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:39,750
there. So unless there's some way to
like hack a Skype thing to get chat

5978
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:39,760
like hack a Skype thing to get chat
 

5979
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:42,149
like hack a Skype thing to get chat
history which you know is above my pay

5980
01:59:42,149 --> 01:59:42,159
history which you know is above my pay
 

5981
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:44,310
history which you know is above my pay
grade someone else can help them with

5982
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:44,320
grade someone else can help them with
 

5983
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:46,149
grade someone else can help them with
that. They're the victim's on Twitter if

5984
01:59:46,149 --> 01:59:46,159
that. They're the victim's on Twitter if
 

5985
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:48,709
that. They're the victim's on Twitter if
you know how to do that. Um, so there

5986
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:48,719
you know how to do that. Um, so there
 

5987
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:52,149
you know how to do that. Um, so there
are hypothetical Skype vlogs.

5988
01:59:52,149 --> 01:59:52,159
are hypothetical Skype vlogs.
 

5989
01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:54,950
are hypothetical Skype vlogs.
>> Um, but they are in the void of the

5990
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:54,960
>> Um, but they are in the void of the
 

5991
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:56,310
>> Um, but they are in the void of the
internet.

5992
01:59:56,310 --> 01:59:56,320
internet.
 

5993
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,870
internet.
>> Okay. Well, you do understand that like

5994
01:59:58,870 --> 01:59:58,880
>> Okay. Well, you do understand that like
 

5995
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:01,750
>> Okay. Well, you do understand that like
not you know like I've I said even in my

5996
02:00:01,750 --> 02:00:01,760
not you know like I've I said even in my
 

5997
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:03,910
not you know like I've I said even in my
own video like screenshots are great.

5998
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:03,920
own video like screenshots are great.
 

5999
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,589
own video like screenshots are great.
Screenshots are almost like required.

6000
02:00:05,589 --> 02:00:05,599
Screenshots are almost like required.
 

6001
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:08,550
Screenshots are almost like required.
That's like the best thing. But like if

6002
02:00:08,550 --> 02:00:08,560
That's like the best thing. But like if
 

6003
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:10,149
That's like the best thing. But like if
they don't have that and the most that

6004
02:00:10,149 --> 02:00:10,159
they don't have that and the most that
 

6005
02:00:10,159 --> 02:00:12,229
they don't have that and the most that
they have is like like you said like con

6006
02:00:12,229 --> 02:00:12,239
they have is like like you said like con
 

6007
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:15,350
they have is like like you said like con
whispers from 2015 three people coming

6008
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:15,360
whispers from 2015 three people coming
 

6009
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,629
whispers from 2015 three people coming
forward to like like come forward for by

6010
02:00:18,629 --> 02:00:18,639
forward to like like come forward for by
 

6011
02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:20,870
forward to like like come forward for by
their behalf to verify or whatever.

6012
02:00:20,870 --> 02:00:20,880
their behalf to verify or whatever.
 

6013
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:22,790
their behalf to verify or whatever.
>> It's going to be a very it's going to be

6014
02:00:22,790 --> 02:00:22,800
>> It's going to be a very it's going to be
 

6015
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,950
>> It's going to be a very it's going to be
very very dangerous to try to like bring

6016
02:00:26,950 --> 02:00:26,960
very very dangerous to try to like bring
 

6017
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,510
very very dangerous to try to like bring
that to your channel in any way that's

6018
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:29,520
that to your channel in any way that's
 

6019
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,510
that to your channel in any way that's
like I believe this person. Not that

6020
02:00:31,510 --> 02:00:31,520
like I believe this person. Not that
 

6021
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:34,229
like I believe this person. Not that
they I don't, but like it's one of those

6022
02:00:34,229 --> 02:00:34,239
they I don't, but like it's one of those
 

6023
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:35,910
they I don't, but like it's one of those
things where like if we're going to put

6024
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:35,920
things where like if we're going to put
 

6025
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,589
things where like if we're going to put
your um like even with you like bringing

6026
02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:39,599
your um like even with you like bringing
 

6027
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:41,350
your um like even with you like bringing
this forth in the video you made, you

6028
02:00:41,350 --> 02:00:41,360
this forth in the video you made, you
 

6029
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:44,070
this forth in the video you made, you
were really putting your reputation on

6030
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:44,080
were really putting your reputation on
 

6031
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,310
were really putting your reputation on
the line. Like let's say that that video

6032
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:46,320
the line. Like let's say that that video
 

6033
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,709
the line. Like let's say that that video
wasn't bad. Let's say it was perfectly

6034
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:48,719
wasn't bad. Let's say it was perfectly
 

6035
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:50,950
wasn't bad. Let's say it was perfectly
handled. Like the tone was fine. It was

6036
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:50,960
handled. Like the tone was fine. It was
 

6037
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,310
handled. Like the tone was fine. It was
like perfectly structured.

6038
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:52,320
like perfectly structured.
 

6039
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:53,030
like perfectly structured.
>> Dream.

6040
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:53,040
>> Dream.
 

6041
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,430
>> Dream.
>> Yeah, we can dream. But like it's the

6042
02:00:55,430 --> 02:00:55,440
>> Yeah, we can dream. But like it's the
 

6043
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,030
>> Yeah, we can dream. But like it's the
case scenario where it's like because

6044
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:57,040
case scenario where it's like because
 

6045
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:59,830
case scenario where it's like because
there's really no paper trail of any of

6046
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:59,840
there's really no paper trail of any of
 

6047
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:02,070
there's really no paper trail of any of
this, you're really kind of,

6048
02:01:02,070 --> 02:01:02,080
this, you're really kind of,
 

6049
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,229
this, you're really kind of,
>> you know, putting it up to like a trust

6050
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:04,239
>> you know, putting it up to like a trust
 

6051
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,550
>> you know, putting it up to like a trust
me bro kind of thing. And that's really

6052
02:01:06,550 --> 02:01:06,560
me bro kind of thing. And that's really
 

6053
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:08,149
me bro kind of thing. And that's really
dangerous for your reputation, for

6054
02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:08,159
dangerous for your reputation, for
 

6055
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:10,229
dangerous for your reputation, for
anyone's reputation, right? And that's

6056
02:01:10,229 --> 02:01:10,239
anyone's reputation, right? And that's
 

6057
02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:11,750
anyone's reputation, right? And that's
not me saying I don't want to believe

6058
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:11,760
not me saying I don't want to believe
 

6059
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,189
not me saying I don't want to believe
this person cuz nine times out of 10

6060
02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:13,199
this person cuz nine times out of 10
 

6061
02:01:13,199 --> 02:01:14,629
this person cuz nine times out of 10
it's very it's very much a thing where

6062
02:01:14,629 --> 02:01:14,639
it's very it's very much a thing where
 

6063
02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:16,149
it's very it's very much a thing where
it's like safer to believe them than

6064
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:16,159
it's like safer to believe them than
 

6065
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:18,950
it's like safer to believe them than
not. But because of like past things

6066
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:18,960
not. But because of like past things
 

6067
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,629
not. But because of like past things
that's happened on the internet,

6068
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:20,639
that's happened on the internet,
 

6069
02:01:20,639 --> 02:01:22,709
that's happened on the internet,
especially with the lack of evidence,

6070
02:01:22,709 --> 02:01:22,719
especially with the lack of evidence,
 

6071
02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:24,709
especially with the lack of evidence,
you're what you're asking, at least when

6072
02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:24,719
you're what you're asking, at least when
 

6073
02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:25,990
you're what you're asking, at least when
you're asking people, hey, do you want

6074
02:01:25,990 --> 02:01:26,000
you're asking people, hey, do you want
 

6075
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,510
you're asking people, hey, do you want
to cover this? It's very hard to ask

6076
02:01:27,510 --> 02:01:27,520
to cover this? It's very hard to ask
 

6077
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,870
to cover this? It's very hard to ask
them that because they have to put their

6078
02:01:28,870 --> 02:01:28,880
them that because they have to put their
 

6079
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,189
them that because they have to put their
reputation on the line,

6080
02:01:31,189 --> 02:01:31,199
reputation on the line,
 

6081
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:35,109
reputation on the line,
right? No, I I I I get that. I mean that

6082
02:01:35,109 --> 02:01:35,119
right? No, I I I I get that. I mean that
 

6083
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:38,709
right? No, I I I I get that. I mean that
is why we had the

6084
02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:38,719
is why we had the
 

6085
02:01:38,719 --> 02:01:42,149
is why we had the
um I think um

6086
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:42,159
um I think um
 

6087
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:43,350
um I think um
well I don't remember what it was called

6088
02:01:43,350 --> 02:01:43,360
well I don't remember what it was called
 

6089
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:44,950
well I don't remember what it was called
but one of the disclaimers basically

6090
02:01:44,950 --> 02:01:44,960
but one of the disclaimers basically
 

6091
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,830
but one of the disclaimers basically
said like hey we need this to be true

6092
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:47,840
said like hey we need this to be true
 

6093
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,030
said like hey we need this to be true
you know we're not doing this

6094
02:01:49,030 --> 02:01:49,040
you know we're not doing this
 

6095
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:51,430
you know we're not doing this
faciciously like again that's one of the

6096
02:01:51,430 --> 02:01:51,440
faciciously like again that's one of the
 

6097
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:53,030
faciciously like again that's one of the
reasons that's also one of the reasons

6098
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:53,040
reasons that's also one of the reasons
 

6099
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:55,270
reasons that's also one of the reasons
it the testimony came on Twitter first

6100
02:01:55,270 --> 02:01:55,280
it the testimony came on Twitter first
 

6101
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:58,149
it the testimony came on Twitter first
is to separate me from the testimony so

6102
02:01:58,149 --> 02:01:58,159
is to separate me from the testimony so
 

6103
02:01:58,159 --> 02:01:59,910
is to separate me from the testimony so
people aren't going to be like thank god

6104
02:01:59,910 --> 02:01:59,920
people aren't going to be like thank god
 

6105
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,189
people aren't going to be like thank god
right so people aren't going to think

6106
02:02:01,189 --> 02:02:01,199
right so people aren't going to think
 

6107
02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:03,109
right so people aren't going to think
like oh it came from a KP video KP's

6108
02:02:03,109 --> 02:02:03,119
like oh it came from a KP video KP's
 

6109
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:05,350
like oh it came from a KP video KP's
just mad at Saber like she made this up

6110
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:05,360
just mad at Saber like she made this up
 

6111
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,589
just mad at Saber like she made this up
so um

6112
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:07,599
so um
 

6113
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:09,990
so um
>> you know um I did one thing right I

6114
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:10,000
>> you know um I did one thing right I
 

6115
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:11,109
>> you know um I did one thing right I
guess but um

6116
02:02:11,109 --> 02:02:11,119
guess but um
 

6117
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,189
guess but um
>> I mean I suppose like I guess that's why

6118
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:13,199
>> I mean I suppose like I guess that's why
 

6119
02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:14,790
>> I mean I suppose like I guess that's why
people are talking about the Saber Spark

6120
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:14,800
people are talking about the Saber Spark
 

6121
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:16,950
people are talking about the Saber Spark
allegations now is because it it came

6122
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:16,960
allegations now is because it it came
 

6123
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:20,310
allegations now is because it it came
out on Twitter right but and because

6124
02:02:20,310 --> 02:02:20,320
out on Twitter right but and because
 

6125
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:23,910
out on Twitter right but and because
your video was but again like Brony Fan

6126
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:23,920
your video was but again like Brony Fan
 

6127
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,790
your video was but again like Brony Fan
don't advertise in that tweet that this

6128
02:02:26,790 --> 02:02:26,800
don't advertise in that tweet that this
 

6129
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,550
don't advertise in that tweet that this
testimony would be paired with a video

6130
02:02:28,550 --> 02:02:28,560
testimony would be paired with a video
 

6131
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:31,990
testimony would be paired with a video
coming out that was yours like you you

6132
02:02:31,990 --> 02:02:32,000
coming out that was yours like you you
 

6133
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,669
coming out that was yours like you you
do understand that like phrasing it that

6134
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:33,679
do understand that like phrasing it that
 

6135
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:35,030
do understand that like phrasing it that
way meant that you guys were kind of

6136
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:35,040
way meant that you guys were kind of
 

6137
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:36,310
way meant that you guys were kind of
setting it up again like you said

6138
02:02:36,310 --> 02:02:36,320
setting it up again like you said
 

6139
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,870
setting it up again like you said
earlier to blindside him. Like either

6140
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:38,880
earlier to blindside him. Like either
 

6141
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:40,950
earlier to blindside him. Like either
way, even though you say that like

6142
02:02:40,950 --> 02:02:40,960
way, even though you say that like
 

6143
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,629
way, even though you say that like
people are talking about this victim's

6144
02:02:42,629 --> 02:02:42,639
people are talking about this victim's
 

6145
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:44,149
people are talking about this victim's
testimonies now because it's not

6146
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:44,159
testimonies now because it's not
 

6147
02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:45,910
testimonies now because it's not
associated with me through this brony

6148
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:45,920
associated with me through this brony
 

6149
02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:49,030
associated with me through this brony
fando thing, it still kind of is cuz you

6150
02:02:49,030 --> 02:02:49,040
fando thing, it still kind of is cuz you
 

6151
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:51,030
fando thing, it still kind of is cuz you
kind of used it as like a promotional

6152
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:51,040
kind of used it as like a promotional
 

6153
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:54,470
kind of used it as like a promotional
tacticish.

6154
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:54,480

 

6155
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:56,470

>> Yeah, I guess you can I guess you can

6156
02:02:56,470 --> 02:02:56,480
>> Yeah, I guess you can I guess you can
 

6157
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,629
>> Yeah, I guess you can I guess you can
see it,

6158
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:58,639
see it,
 

6159
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:05,350
see it,
>> right? But but yeah um that

6160
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:05,360
>> right? But but yeah um that
 

6161
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,350
>> right? But but yeah um that
you know yeah I just like right now I'm

6162
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:07,360
you know yeah I just like right now I'm
 

6163
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:08,950
you know yeah I just like right now I'm
just like I don't want to make anything.

6164
02:03:08,950 --> 02:03:08,960
just like I don't want to make anything.
 

6165
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,790
just like I don't want to make anything.
I want to sit on my butt and draw Kim

6166
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:10,800
I want to sit on my butt and draw Kim
 

6167
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,990
I want to sit on my butt and draw Kim
Possible art and and and call it a day.

6168
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:14,000
Possible art and and and call it a day.
 

6169
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:15,430
Possible art and and and call it a day.
So um

6170
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:15,440
So um
 

6171
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:17,669
So um
>> you know um I'm trying not to rush

6172
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:17,679
>> you know um I'm trying not to rush
 

6173
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:20,870
>> you know um I'm trying not to rush
things like as as I stated before. Um

6174
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:20,880
things like as as I stated before. Um
 

6175
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,270
things like as as I stated before. Um
>> yeah and like I I think I've said this

6176
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:23,280
>> yeah and like I I think I've said this
 

6177
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,109
>> yeah and like I I think I've said this
in a couple videos too that like a time

6178
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:25,119
in a couple videos too that like a time
 

6179
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:26,870
in a couple videos too that like a time
frame of like when you should respond if

6180
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:26,880
frame of like when you should respond if
 

6181
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,910
frame of like when you should respond if
you plan to. I I honestly don't don't

6182
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:29,920
you plan to. I I honestly don't don't
 

6183
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:31,430
you plan to. I I honestly don't don't
think it matters either way if you do or

6184
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:31,440
think it matters either way if you do or
 

6185
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:33,030
think it matters either way if you do or
you don't. But like it's one of those

6186
02:03:33,030 --> 02:03:33,040
you don't. But like it's one of those
 

6187
02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:34,390
you don't. But like it's one of those
things where it's like the time frame of

6188
02:03:34,390 --> 02:03:34,400
things where it's like the time frame of
 

6189
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:35,910
things where it's like the time frame of
how long it takes you to respond doesn't

6190
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:35,920
how long it takes you to respond doesn't
 

6191
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:36,950
how long it takes you to respond doesn't
really matter for me all that much

6192
02:03:36,950 --> 02:03:36,960
really matter for me all that much
 

6193
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:37,990
really matter for me all that much
because that means that you're at least

6194
02:03:37,990 --> 02:03:38,000
because that means that you're at least
 

6195
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:39,350
because that means that you're at least
taking your time with it. It's more so

6196
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:39,360
taking your time with it. It's more so
 

6197
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:42,070
taking your time with it. It's more so
just like I like I already told you in a

6198
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:42,080
just like I like I already told you in a
 

6199
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,229
just like I like I already told you in a
previous call like really do consider

6200
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:44,239
previous call like really do consider
 

6201
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:45,990
previous call like really do consider
what everyone's saying because I think a

6202
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:46,000
what everyone's saying because I think a
 

6203
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:47,430
what everyone's saying because I think a
lot of it does have a lot of validity

6204
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:47,440
lot of it does have a lot of validity
 

6205
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,830
lot of it does have a lot of validity
and especially with how interconnected

6206
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:49,840
and especially with how interconnected
 

6207
02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:51,350
and especially with how interconnected
you were in all of this. It was going to

6208
02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:51,360
you were in all of this. It was going to
 

6209
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:52,950
you were in all of this. It was going to
be very hard for you to sell this as

6210
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:52,960
be very hard for you to sell this as
 

6211
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:54,629
be very hard for you to sell this as
like not a personal grudge kind of

6212
02:03:54,629 --> 02:03:54,639
like not a personal grudge kind of
 

6213
02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:56,550
like not a personal grudge kind of
thing. I get that that was not probably

6214
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:56,560
thing. I get that that was not probably
 

6215
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,669
thing. I get that that was not probably
your intention, but like the bias will

6216
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:59,679
your intention, but like the bias will
 

6217
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:02,070
your intention, but like the bias will
always be there based on like,

6218
02:04:02,070 --> 02:04:02,080
always be there based on like,
 

6219
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:04,229
always be there based on like,
>> you know, how interconnected you were

6220
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:04,239
>> you know, how interconnected you were
 

6221
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:06,229
>> you know, how interconnected you were
with all of this. So,

6222
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:06,239
with all of this. So,
 

6223
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:08,629
with all of this. So,
>> but I I think that was a good

6224
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:08,639
>> but I I think that was a good
 

6225
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:12,149
>> but I I think that was a good
conversation. I I do hope that things go

6226
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:12,159
conversation. I I do hope that things go
 

6227
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:13,750
conversation. I I do hope that things go
better for you. I mean,

6228
02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:13,760
better for you. I mean,
 

6229
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,149
better for you. I mean,
>> you know, I I do hope that you take this

6230
02:04:16,149 --> 02:04:16,159
>> you know, I I do hope that you take this
 

6231
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:19,589
>> you know, I I do hope that you take this
as a learning opportunity, of course. Um

6232
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:19,599
as a learning opportunity, of course. Um
 

6233
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:22,550
as a learning opportunity, of course. Um
>> Um Yeah. Well, again, like to tie it

6234
02:04:22,550 --> 02:04:22,560
>> Um Yeah. Well, again, like to tie it
 

6235
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:23,990
>> Um Yeah. Well, again, like to tie it
back to the testimony, that's why we're

6236
02:04:23,990 --> 02:04:24,000
back to the testimony, that's why we're
 

6237
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,390
back to the testimony, that's why we're
taking our time with it. I'm not like

6238
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:26,400
taking our time with it. I'm not like
 

6239
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:27,990
taking our time with it. I'm not like
trying to rush something out just for

6240
02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:28,000
trying to rush something out just for
 

6241
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,950
trying to rush something out just for
the sake of appeasing the public. So,

6242
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:30,960
the sake of appeasing the public. So,
 

6243
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,550
the sake of appeasing the public. So,
right now, I'm leaning towards like just

6244
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:32,560
right now, I'm leaning towards like just
 

6245
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:34,550
right now, I'm leaning towards like just
audio only, just Q&A about the video

6246
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:34,560
audio only, just Q&A about the video
 

6247
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:36,709
audio only, just Q&A about the video
similar to this, but I haven't decided

6248
02:04:36,709 --> 02:04:36,719
similar to this, but I haven't decided
 

6249
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:38,470
similar to this, but I haven't decided
yet and going to talk to the saber

6250
02:04:38,470 --> 02:04:38,480
yet and going to talk to the saber
 

6251
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:40,709
yet and going to talk to the saber
victim before I I really do anything

6252
02:04:40,709 --> 02:04:40,719
victim before I I really do anything
 

6253
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:42,470
victim before I I really do anything
right now. So,

6254
02:04:42,470 --> 02:04:42,480
right now. So,
 

6255
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:44,390
right now. So,
>> and also just take some time offline and

6256
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:44,400
>> and also just take some time offline and
 

6257
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:45,910
>> and also just take some time offline and
like cuz I get that like the

6258
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:45,920
like cuz I get that like the
 

6259
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,750
like cuz I get that like the
overwhelming thing of like

6260
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:47,760
overwhelming thing of like
 

6261
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,589
overwhelming thing of like
>> the internet bantering on you. It's

6262
02:04:49,589 --> 02:04:49,599
>> the internet bantering on you. It's
 

6263
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:52,709
>> the internet bantering on you. It's
maybe hard to really sit down and

6264
02:04:52,709 --> 02:04:52,719
maybe hard to really sit down and
 

6265
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:55,430
maybe hard to really sit down and
reassess like where it went wrong based

6266
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:55,440
reassess like where it went wrong based
 

6267
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,910
reassess like where it went wrong based
on like the comments of angry commenters

6268
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:57,920
on like the comments of angry commenters
 

6269
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:00,229
on like the comments of angry commenters
or whatever the [\h__\h] that kind of thing.

6270
02:05:00,229 --> 02:05:00,239
or whatever the [\h__\h] that kind of thing.
 

6271
02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:01,830
or whatever the [\h__\h] that kind of thing.
Like it's like, "Yeah, feedback's great,

6272
02:05:01,830 --> 02:05:01,840
Like it's like, "Yeah, feedback's great,
 

6273
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:03,910
Like it's like, "Yeah, feedback's great,
but when it's all like just this u

6274
02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:03,920
but when it's all like just this u
 

6275
02:05:03,920 --> 02:05:05,109
but when it's all like just this u
[\h__\h]

6276
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:05,119
[\h__\h]
 

6277
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:07,830
[\h__\h]
>> internet slang dog pile." Not dog pile.

6278
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:07,840
>> internet slang dog pile." Not dog pile.
 

6279
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:09,990
>> internet slang dog pile." Not dog pile.
I don't You get what how the internet

6280
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:10,000
I don't You get what how the internet
 

6281
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:11,669
I don't You get what how the internet
talks very harshly and just like makes

6282
02:05:11,669 --> 02:05:11,679
talks very harshly and just like makes
 

6283
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:14,390
talks very harshly and just like makes
the whole thing like a big like,

6284
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:14,400
the whole thing like a big like,
 

6285
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:15,030
the whole thing like a big like,
you know,

6286
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:15,040
you know,
 

6287
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:17,270
you know,
>> you know, spectacle thing. Like a

6288
02:05:17,270 --> 02:05:17,280
>> you know, spectacle thing. Like a
 

6289
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:19,350
>> you know, spectacle thing. Like a
spectacle thing. So to remove yourself

6290
02:05:19,350 --> 02:05:19,360
spectacle thing. So to remove yourself
 

6291
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:20,629
spectacle thing. So to remove yourself
from the spectrum and be like, "Okay,

6292
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:20,639
from the spectrum and be like, "Okay,
 

6293
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:22,149
from the spectrum and be like, "Okay,
this is where I [\h__\h] up and kind of

6294
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:22,159
this is where I [\h__\h] up and kind of
 

6295
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:24,629
this is where I [\h__\h] up and kind of
like, you know, branching it out to

6296
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:24,639
like, you know, branching it out to
 

6297
02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:26,310
like, you know, branching it out to
this, this, and this." You know, make a

6298
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:26,320
this, this, and this." You know, make a
 

6299
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:29,350
this, this, and this." You know, make a
ven diagram. I don't [\h__\h] know. just,

6300
02:05:29,350 --> 02:05:29,360
ven diagram. I don't [\h__\h] know. just,
 

6301
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,310
ven diagram. I don't [\h__\h] know. just,
>> you know, have some introspective that

6302
02:05:32,310 --> 02:05:32,320
>> you know, have some introspective that
 

6303
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,149
>> you know, have some introspective that
does listen to parts of the public, but

6304
02:05:34,149 --> 02:05:34,159
does listen to parts of the public, but
 

6305
02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:36,709
does listen to parts of the public, but
also just like, you know, based on your

6306
02:05:36,709 --> 02:05:36,719
also just like, you know, based on your
 

6307
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:38,470
also just like, you know, based on your
own personal character, did that make

6308
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:38,480
own personal character, did that make
 

6309
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,390
own personal character, did that make
sense for you to make those moves? And

6310
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:40,400
sense for you to make those moves? And
 

6311
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,790
sense for you to make those moves? And
if it doesn't, if it's something that

6312
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:42,800
if it doesn't, if it's something that
 

6313
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,229
if it doesn't, if it's something that
you would look upon and be like, wait,

6314
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:44,239
you would look upon and be like, wait,
 

6315
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:45,990
you would look upon and be like, wait,
why would I do that? I would never do

6316
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:46,000
why would I do that? I would never do
 

6317
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,510
why would I do that? I would never do
that. Then it's like one of those things

6318
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:47,520
that. Then it's like one of those things
 

6319
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:48,310
that. Then it's like one of those things
like a

6320
02:05:48,310 --> 02:05:48,320
like a
 

6321
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,310
like a
>> Yeah, I mean that's kind of the the

6322
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:50,320
>> Yeah, I mean that's kind of the the
 

6323
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:52,229
>> Yeah, I mean that's kind of the the
generalized problem right now anyway is

6324
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:52,239
generalized problem right now anyway is
 

6325
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:53,830
generalized problem right now anyway is
because people don't really know me well

6326
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:53,840
because people don't really know me well
 

6327
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:55,750
because people don't really know me well
enough and just assume that my

6328
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:55,760
enough and just assume that my
 

6329
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:58,149
enough and just assume that my
intentions are bad cuz like why why else

6330
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:58,159
intentions are bad cuz like why why else
 

6331
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:01,830
intentions are bad cuz like why why else
would like you know I talk about it in a

6332
02:06:01,830 --> 02:06:01,840
would like you know I talk about it in a
 

6333
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,669
would like you know I talk about it in a
happy tone kind of thing like for

6334
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:03,679
happy tone kind of thing like for
 

6335
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:08,149
happy tone kind of thing like for
example. Um, so you know, I I get it.

6336
02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:08,159
example. Um, so you know, I I get it.
 

6337
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:09,350
example. Um, so you know, I I get it.
Like,

6338
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:09,360
Like,
 

6339
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:13,830
Like,
>> well, I think to to

6340
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:13,840
>> well, I think to to
 

6341
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:17,189
>> well, I think to to
>> make a a co coherent thing, like if

6342
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:17,199
>> make a a co coherent thing, like if
 

6343
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:18,470
>> make a a co coherent thing, like if
we're going to both agree on something,

6344
02:06:18,470 --> 02:06:18,480
we're going to both agree on something,
 

6345
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:21,350
we're going to both agree on something,
like you do know you [\h__\h] up, but do

6346
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:21,360
like you do know you [\h__\h] up, but do
 

6347
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:22,629
like you do know you [\h__\h] up, but do
did you [\h__\h] up because it was

6348
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:22,639
did you [\h__\h] up because it was
 

6349
02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:24,790
did you [\h__\h] up because it was
malicious? Um, or did you [\h__\h] up

6350
02:06:24,790 --> 02:06:24,800
malicious? Um, or did you [\h__\h] up
 

6351
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:25,750
malicious? Um, or did you [\h__\h] up
because you were just really

6352
02:06:25,750 --> 02:06:25,760
because you were just really
 

6353
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:29,109
because you were just really
irresponsible and reckless?

6354
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:29,119
irresponsible and reckless?
 

6355
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:31,270
irresponsible and reckless?
>> Um,

6356
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:31,280
>> Um,
 

6357
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,109
>> Um,
mostly I I would I would think the

6358
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:33,119
mostly I I would I would think the
 

6359
02:06:33,119 --> 02:06:38,310
mostly I I would I would think the
second one. Um, but you know, you know,

6360
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:38,320
second one. Um, but you know, you know,
 

6361
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:42,069
second one. Um, but you know, you know,
like again, if you know, like I'm a

6362
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:42,079
like again, if you know, like I'm a
 

6363
02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:44,229
like again, if you know, like I'm a
public figure. You're allowed to believe

6364
02:06:44,229 --> 02:06:44,239
public figure. You're allowed to believe
 

6365
02:06:44,239 --> 02:06:46,149
public figure. You're allowed to believe
what you want. Just

6366
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:46,159
what you want. Just
 

6367
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,470
what you want. Just
>> don't don't harass me, please.

6368
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:48,480
>> don't don't harass me, please.
 

6369
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:51,589
>> don't don't harass me, please.
>> Sure. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I I just

6370
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:51,599
>> Sure. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I I just
 

6371
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:53,589
>> Sure. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I I just
want to get like a fair like assessment

6372
02:06:53,589 --> 02:06:53,599
want to get like a fair like assessment
 

6373
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:55,109
want to get like a fair like assessment
from everyone that's based off of what

6374
02:06:55,109 --> 02:06:55,119
from everyone that's based off of what
 

6375
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:56,709
from everyone that's based off of what
you have to say and based off of what

6376
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:56,719
you have to say and based off of what
 

6377
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:59,030
you have to say and based off of what
everyone else has to say cuz it's it's

6378
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:59,040
everyone else has to say cuz it's it's
 

6379
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,550
everyone else has to say cuz it's it's
one thing to make assumptions, right?

6380
02:07:00,550 --> 02:07:00,560
one thing to make assumptions, right?
 

6381
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:01,910
one thing to make assumptions, right?
And people will have their opinions.

6382
02:07:01,910 --> 02:07:01,920
And people will have their opinions.
 

6383
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:03,270
And people will have their opinions.
People can assume whatever they want

6384
02:07:03,270 --> 02:07:03,280
People can assume whatever they want
 

6385
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:05,669
People can assume whatever they want
because we're public people that put

6386
02:07:05,669 --> 02:07:05,679
because we're public people that put
 

6387
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:07,750
because we're public people that put
that out there on the internet. But, you

6388
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:07,760
that out there on the internet. But, you
 

6389
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:09,350
that out there on the internet. But, you
know, I like at least having that

6390
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:09,360
know, I like at least having that
 

6391
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:11,109
know, I like at least having that
conversation because then I can approach

6392
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:11,119
conversation because then I can approach
 

6393
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:13,189
conversation because then I can approach
it from a perspective of this is what

6394
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:13,199
it from a perspective of this is what
 

6395
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:14,629
it from a perspective of this is what
they've told me and this is how they

6396
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:14,639
they've told me and this is how they
 

6397
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:16,790
they've told me and this is how they
assess it. Right. So, it's like, you

6398
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:16,800
assess it. Right. So, it's like, you
 

6399
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:17,030
assess it. Right. So, it's like, you
know,

6400
02:07:17,030 --> 02:07:17,040
know,
 

6401
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,639
know,
>> Right. Right. I I get that.