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So I am here with Bonk uh the one of the

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So I am here with Bonk uh the one of the
 

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So I am here with Bonk uh the one of the
halves of the Brony Fan don't um Twitter

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halves of the Brony Fan don't um Twitter
 

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halves of the Brony Fan don't um Twitter
account and Blue Sky account. Is there

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account and Blue Sky account. Is there
 

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account and Blue Sky account. Is there
any other accounts that run under Brony

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any other accounts that run under Brony
 

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any other accounts that run under Brony
Fan don't? Is it just the Twitter and

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Fan don't? Is it just the Twitter and
 

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Fan don't? Is it just the Twitter and
Blue Sky? Yeah, it's just the the

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Blue Sky? Yeah, it's just the the
 

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Blue Sky? Yeah, it's just the the
Twitter and Blue Sky and um and also

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Twitter and Blue Sky and um and also
 

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Twitter and Blue Sky and um and also
it's just me on the accounts now.

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it's just me on the accounts now.
 

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it's just me on the accounts now.
>> It's just you.

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>> It's just you.
 

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>> It's just you.
>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah.
 

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>> Yeah.
>> Okay.

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>> Okay.
 

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>> Okay.
>> It used to be for um a few months there.

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>> It used to be for um a few months there.
 

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>> It used to be for um a few months there.
Sophie also had access. Um it it is

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Sophie also had access. Um it it is
 

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Sophie also had access. Um it it is
currently just me.

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currently just me.
 

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currently just me.
>> Is there any reason why she's no longer

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>> Is there any reason why she's no longer
 

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>> Is there any reason why she's no longer
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running it currently or
 

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running it currently or
>> I realize now that people can interpret

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>> I realize now that people can interpret
 

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>> I realize now that people can interpret
that in many different ways. There's no

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that in many different ways. There's no
 

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that in many different ways. There's no
bad blood and I didn't like hack my way

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bad blood and I didn't like hack my way
 

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bad blood and I didn't like hack my way
back in.

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back in.
 

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back in.
Sorry, I'm already messing up. I didn't

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Sorry, I'm already messing up. I didn't
 

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Sorry, I'm already messing up. I didn't
want to go into this because I didn't

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want to go into this because I didn't
 

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want to go into this because I didn't
want people because people

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want people because people
 

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want people because people
>> tend to take this as Sophie shouldn't

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>> tend to take this as Sophie shouldn't
 

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>> tend to take this as Sophie shouldn't
have done this and they they like to

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have done this and they they like to
 

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have done this and they they like to
give their strong opinions on that. But

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give their strong opinions on that. But
 

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give their strong opinions on that. But
I was given the account back. Um, and I

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I was given the account back. Um, and I
 

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I was given the account back. Um, and I
whatever people's take on that is, it I

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whatever people's take on that is, it I
 

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whatever people's take on that is, it I
don't think Sophie is doing something

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don't think Sophie is doing something
 

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don't think Sophie is doing something
worth uh demonizing her over.

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worth uh demonizing her over.
 

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worth uh demonizing her over.
>> Right. Right. It's just it I I'll

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>> Right. Right. It's just it I I'll
 

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>> Right. Right. It's just it I I'll
interpret it that as more of a it's just

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interpret it that as more of a it's just
 

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interpret it that as more of a it's just
it's less confusing, I think, for an

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it's less confusing, I think, for an
 

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it's less confusing, I think, for an
audience if it was just one person

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audience if it was just one person
 

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audience if it was just one person
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rather than the two of you, you know,
 

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rather than the two of you, you know,
like adding your correspondence to the

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like adding your correspondence to the
 

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like adding your correspondence to the
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account kind of thing.
 

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account kind of thing.
>> Yeah. And also, you know, Sophie

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>> Yeah. And also, you know, Sophie
 

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>> Yeah. And also, you know, Sophie
really just wanted to focus on the Black

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really just wanted to focus on the Black
 

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really just wanted to focus on the Black
Griffin situation. Um, neither one of us

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Griffin situation. Um, neither one of us
 

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Griffin situation. Um, neither one of us
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really wanted to cover the other one
 

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really wanted to cover the other one
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because we weren't in a great place to
 

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because we weren't in a great place to
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balance multiple things. And then we
 

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balance multiple things. And then we
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kind of got roped into that anyways and
 

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kind of got roped into that anyways and
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>> right
>> it escalated.

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>> it escalated.
 

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>> it escalated.
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>> Yeah. And as we go along, I have
 

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>> Yeah. And as we go along, I have
questions that'll we can touch on that

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questions that'll we can touch on that
 

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questions that'll we can touch on that
in more detail. But I guess I suppose if

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in more detail. But I guess I suppose if
 

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in more detail. But I guess I suppose if
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we're already here and we're introducing
 

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we're already here and we're introducing
you as the owner of the account, I

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you as the owner of the account, I
 

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you as the owner of the account, I
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should ask my first question.
 

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should ask my first question.
>> Um, how was the Brony Fan account

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>> Um, how was the Brony Fan account
 

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>> Um, how was the Brony Fan account
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created and what was it originally used
 

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created and what was it originally used
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for? Cuz I know that it's been around
 

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for? Cuz I know that it's been around
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for like a while.
 

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for like a while.
>> So, originally it was a role playinging

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>> So, originally it was a role playinging
 

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>> So, originally it was a role playinging
account um, back years and years ago.

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account um, back years and years ago.
 

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account um, back years and years ago.
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Mhm.
>> Um, I came into the Brony fandom in

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>> Um, I came into the Brony fandom in
 

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>> Um, I came into the Brony fandom in
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summer of 2011.
 

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summer of 2011.
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Um, I don't remember exactly what age. I
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think it was maybe 13. Um, I I I'm
 

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think it was maybe 13. Um, I I I'm
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currently 28. My birthday's in December,
 

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currently 28. My birthday's in December,
so go back to summer 2011 if anyone

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so go back to summer 2011 if anyone
 

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so go back to summer 2011 if anyone
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wants to do the math and you could piece
 

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wants to do the math and you could piece
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together. But um I got into the show uh
 

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together. But um I got into the show uh
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after seeing a lot of people on the
 

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after seeing a lot of people on the
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internet talking about it. And then I
 

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internet talking about it. And then I
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stumbled across uh other people on
 

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stumbled across uh other people on
Twitter doing uh Twitter ponies, which

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Twitter doing uh Twitter ponies, which
 

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Twitter doing uh Twitter ponies, which
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is a whole role playinging community
 

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is a whole role playinging community
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where people would pick a character,
 

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where people would pick a character,
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either an OC or a cannon character, and
 

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either an OC or a cannon character, and
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play as them. It was a it was a safer
 

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play as them. It was a it was a safer
work role playinging scene. Um, however,

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work role playinging scene. Um, however,
 

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work role playinging scene. Um, however,
I was uh young and dumb and uh when as I

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I was uh young and dumb and uh when as I
 

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I was uh young and dumb and uh when as I
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was playing Screw Ball, who who is a
 

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was playing Screw Ball, who who is a
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character that um it was in the
 

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character that um it was in the
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background, she's she was just a she was
 

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background, she's she was just a she was
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like a gag character. Whenever this
 

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like a gag character. Whenever this
chaotic character discord came in, she

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chaotic character discord came in, she
 

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chaotic character discord came in, she
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would kind of like spawn in as this she
 

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would kind of like spawn in as this she
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it was seemingly a an uh she was part of
 

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it was seemingly a an uh she was part of
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power. I I don't want to explain the the

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power. I I don't want to explain the the
 

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power. I I don't want to explain the the
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continuity of the show. It doesn't
 

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continuity of the show. It doesn't
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matter,
>> but I'm just trying to explain the

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>> but I'm just trying to explain the
 

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>> but I'm just trying to explain the
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account.
 

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account.
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>> Um
>> basically they're paired together often

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>> basically they're paired together often
 

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>> basically they're paired together often
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kind of thing.
>> Yeah. So, she's this wacky character is

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>> Yeah. So, she's this wacky character is
 

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>> Yeah. So, she's this wacky character is
what I'm trying to get at. Um,

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what I'm trying to get at. Um,
 

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what I'm trying to get at. Um,
so I was just playing her as this

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so I was just playing her as this
 

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so I was just playing her as this
uh loner but upbeat loner that wants to

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uh loner but upbeat loner that wants to
 

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uh loner but upbeat loner that wants to
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go around town and make friends. And
 

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go around town and make friends. And
then um I uh got into some situations

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then um I uh got into some situations
 

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then um I uh got into some situations
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early on where I was very happy whenever
 

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early on where I was very happy whenever
anyone would interact with me and when a

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anyone would interact with me and when a
 

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anyone would interact with me and when a
account that didn't follow any of the

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account that didn't follow any of the
 

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account that didn't follow any of the
the even rules of the format which was

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the even rules of the format which was
 

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the even rules of the format which was
usually you'd have MLP character name.

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usually you'd have MLP character name.
 

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usually you'd have MLP character name.
>> This person went by like gamer brony

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>> This person went by like gamer brony
 

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>> This person went by like gamer brony
4677 whatever. I don't I don't remember

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4677 whatever. I don't I don't remember
 

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4677 whatever. I don't I don't remember
the numbers, but it it was very

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the numbers, but it it was very
 

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the numbers, but it it was very
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obviously not
 

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obviously not
uh someone who was um following

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uh someone who was um following
 

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uh someone who was um following
everything

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everything
 

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everything
>> and they wanted to be like the boyfriend

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>> and they wanted to be like the boyfriend
 

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>> and they wanted to be like the boyfriend
of Screw Ball and I was just happy to

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of Screw Ball and I was just happy to
 

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of Screw Ball and I was just happy to
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interact with someone. So, I kind of
 

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interact with someone. So, I kind of
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went along with it and it went to places
 

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went along with it and it went to places
that Claire's later screenshotted um as

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that Claire's later screenshotted um as
 

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that Claire's later screenshotted um as
like I put the message like, "Oh, uh cuz

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like I put the message like, "Oh, uh cuz
 

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like I put the message like, "Oh, uh cuz
they they were role playing like, "Oh,

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they they were role playing like, "Oh,
 

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they they were role playing like, "Oh,
is this even okay?" Like you're you're a

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is this even okay?" Like you're you're a
 

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is this even okay?" Like you're you're a
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younger character. Uh you know, in in
 

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younger character. Uh you know, in in
charact I'm I'm sorry. I'm bad at this.

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charact I'm I'm sorry. I'm bad at this.
 

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charact I'm I'm sorry. I'm bad at this.
>> It's fine. I mean, I am, too. So, we're

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>> It's fine. I mean, I am, too. So, we're
 

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>> It's fine. I mean, I am, too. So, we're
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equally on the same footing of like
being bad at things.

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being bad at things.
 

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being bad at things.
>> All right. Perfect. Um

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>> All right. Perfect. Um
 

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>> All right. Perfect. Um
I so I responded and in that screenshot

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I so I responded and in that screenshot
 

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I so I responded and in that screenshot
that people have seen, oh age is just a

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that people have seen, oh age is just a
 

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that people have seen, oh age is just a
number. Uh, but it's important to have

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number. Uh, but it's important to have
 

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number. Uh, but it's important to have
the context that is often left out that

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the context that is often left out that
 

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the context that is often left out that
I was barely a teenager and I don't and

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I was barely a teenager and I don't and
 

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I was barely a teenager and I don't and
I was also playing a character that I

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I was also playing a character that I
 

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I was also playing a character that I
wouldn't like I don't agree with the

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wouldn't like I don't agree with the
 

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wouldn't like I don't agree with the
character and I wouldn't do that today.

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character and I wouldn't do that today.
 

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character and I wouldn't do that today.
Um, I think the entire like interactions

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Um, I think the entire like interactions
 

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Um, I think the entire like interactions
with this random OC being the boyfriend

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with this random OC being the boyfriend
 

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with this random OC being the boyfriend
of this uh character is kind of just

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of this uh character is kind of just
 

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of this uh character is kind of just
cringe in general and I regret that.

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cringe in general and I regret that.
 

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cringe in general and I regret that.
But, you know, I I'm

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But, you know, I I'm
 

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But, you know, I I'm
It's been more than uh 14 years since

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It's been more than uh 14 years since
 

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It's been more than uh 14 years since
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then,
 

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then,
>> right?

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>> right?
 

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>> right?
>> Uh

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>> Uh
 

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>> Uh
>> I mean, was Screwball ever depicted as

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>> I mean, was Screwball ever depicted as
 

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>> I mean, was Screwball ever depicted as
like a younger character? Was that the

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like a younger character? Was that the
 

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like a younger character? Was that the
problem or

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problem or
 

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problem or
>> Yes and no. In the show, it's not

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>> Yes and no. In the show, it's not
 

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>> Yes and no. In the show, it's not
explicit. Uh, but in the fandom, she was

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explicit. Uh, but in the fandom, she was
 

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explicit. Uh, but in the fandom, she was
given like this persona of being like a

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given like this persona of being like a
 

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given like this persona of being like a
a younger character, like the young

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a younger character, like the young
 

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a younger character, like the young
daughter of Discord, which is also not

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daughter of Discord, which is also not
 

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daughter of Discord, which is also not
entirely canon. Like, it's implied that

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entirely canon. Like, it's implied that
 

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entirely canon. Like, it's implied that
she's she's only ever there when he's

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she's she's only ever there when he's
 

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she's she's only ever there when he's
doing wacky shenanigans. So, the

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doing wacky shenanigans. So, the
 

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doing wacky shenanigans. So, the
implication is that maybe she's

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implication is that maybe she's
 

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implication is that maybe she's
part of what he does. um which would

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part of what he does. um which would
 

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part of what he does. um which would
lead the fandom to make her the daughter

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lead the fandom to make her the daughter
 

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lead the fandom to make her the daughter
of Discord. So um I did play her as a

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of Discord. So um I did play her as a
 

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of Discord. So um I did play her as a
younger character, but it was never

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younger character, but it was never
 

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younger character, but it was never
meant to be in any way sexual. I ju I

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meant to be in any way sexual. I ju I
 

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meant to be in any way sexual. I ju I
but that doesn't mean that it didn't

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but that doesn't mean that it didn't
 

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but that doesn't mean that it didn't
happen because I want I like the

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happen because I want I like the
 

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happen because I want I like the
attention that I was getting at the time

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attention that I was getting at the time
 

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attention that I was getting at the time
and I I went along with things that I

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and I I went along with things that I
 

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and I I went along with things that I
from all aspects I regret not just

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from all aspects I regret not just
 

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from all aspects I regret not just
because of uh what was said but because

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because of uh what was said but because
 

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because of uh what was said but because
it was just kind of cringe in general.

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it was just kind of cringe in general.
 

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it was just kind of cringe in general.
>> Yeah. And I mean, you know how the brony

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>> Yeah. And I mean, you know how the brony
 

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>> Yeah. And I mean, you know how the brony
fandom is, right? Like

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fandom is, right? Like
 

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fandom is, right? Like
when it comes to I do the morality of

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when it comes to I do the morality of
 

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when it comes to I do the morality of
that particularly, they kind they don't

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that particularly, they kind they don't
 

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that particularly, they kind they don't
really bat an eye at it. They're like,

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really bat an eye at it. They're like,
 

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really bat an eye at it. They're like,
"Well, this is fandom [\h__\h] This is just

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"Well, this is fandom [\h__\h] This is just
 

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"Well, this is fandom [\h__\h] This is just
what people do kind of thing." Like the

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what people do kind of thing." Like the
 

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what people do kind of thing." Like the
the Brony fandom was very non from what

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the Brony fandom was very non from what
 

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the Brony fandom was very non from what
I've come to understand talking to other

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I've come to understand talking to other
 

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I've come to understand talking to other
bronies, it was very much like

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bronies, it was very much like
 

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bronies, it was very much like
non-drama. Like they're very anti-drama.

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non-drama. Like they're very anti-drama.
 

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non-drama. Like they're very anti-drama.
So if anything were to stir up any

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So if anything were to stir up any
 

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So if anything were to stir up any
problems or like let's just pretend that

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problems or like let's just pretend that
 

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problems or like let's just pretend that
that's not there kind of thing.

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that's not there kind of thing.
 

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that's not there kind of thing.
>> So like I tolerate was a slogan that

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>> So like I tolerate was a slogan that
 

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>> So like I tolerate was a slogan that
people would throw around a lot and I

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people would throw around a lot and I
 

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people would throw around a lot and I
think it actually led to people putting

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think it actually led to people putting
 

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think it actually led to people putting
up with things and not wanting to be

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up with things and not wanting to be
 

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up with things and not wanting to be
angry at people over very serious

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angry at people over very serious
 

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angry at people over very serious
things.

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things.
 

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things.
>> True. I mean, that could all get like

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>> True. I mean, that could all get like
 

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>> True. I mean, that could all get like
lumped in, right? It's just like, oh,

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lumped in, right? It's just like, oh,
 

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lumped in, right? It's just like, oh,
this sounds very petty, but when

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this sounds very petty, but when
 

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this sounds very petty, but when
everything sounds petty, some serious

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everything sounds petty, some serious
 

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everything sounds petty, some serious
[\h__\h] can like seep through the the

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[\h__\h] can like seep through the the
 

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[\h__\h] can like seep through the the
cracks essentially.

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cracks essentially.
 

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cracks essentially.
>> Yeah.

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>> Yeah.
 

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>> Yeah.
>> All right. So yeah, because that was one

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>> All right. So yeah, because that was one
 

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>> All right. So yeah, because that was one
of the things that like I saw that I was

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of the things that like I saw that I was
 

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of the things that like I saw that I was
just like that's very interesting. But I

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just like that's very interesting. But I
 

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just like that's very interesting. But I
I tried to give you the benefit of the

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I tried to give you the benefit of the
 

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I tried to give you the benefit of the
doubt on that because I'm just like I

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doubt on that because I'm just like I
 

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doubt on that because I'm just like I
don't know how old he is and I don't

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don't know how old he is and I don't
 

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don't know how old he is and I don't
know how old he was when the these

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know how old he was when the these
 

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know how old he was when the these
screenshots were taken kind of thing.

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screenshots were taken kind of thing.
 

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screenshots were taken kind of thing.
But um

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But um
 

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But um
>> yeah, I was me I think I was 14 at the

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>> yeah, I was me I think I was 14 at the
 

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>> yeah, I was me I think I was 14 at the
time.

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time.
 

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time.
>> Okay.

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>> Okay.
 

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>> Okay.
>> I I I I did have the account much longer

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>> I I I I did have the account much longer
 

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>> I I I I did have the account much longer
than that and Screwball went on. I

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than that and Screwball went on. I
 

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than that and Screwball went on. I
eventually I got out of that specific

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eventually I got out of that specific
 

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eventually I got out of that specific
situation and then played her straight

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situation and then played her straight
 

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situation and then played her straight
as like a the the kid around town that

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as like a the the kid around town that
 

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as like a the the kid around town that
was just uh wholesome. Um but that was

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was just uh wholesome. Um but that was
 

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was just uh wholesome. Um but that was
at the start of it and uh I I never

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at the start of it and uh I I never
 

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at the start of it and uh I I never
tried to like hide that past. It's just

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tried to like hide that past. It's just
 

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tried to like hide that past. It's just
that I didn't I was a kid basically.

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that I didn't I was a kid basically.
 

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that I didn't I was a kid basically.
>> Yeah. I mean, do you think that like in

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>> Yeah. I mean, do you think that like in
 

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>> Yeah. I mean, do you think that like in
retrospect with how

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retrospect with how
 

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retrospect with how
you conduct the account now that like

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you conduct the account now that like
 

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you conduct the account now that like
having that back catalog probably

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having that back catalog probably
 

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having that back catalog probably
doesn't exactly make you look very

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doesn't exactly make you look very
 

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doesn't exactly make you look very
presentable?

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presentable?
 

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presentable?
>> Um,

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>> Um,
 

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>> Um,
not really honestly. I I I I

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not really honestly. I I I I
 

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not really honestly. I I I I
was initially going to create

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was initially going to create
 

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was initially going to create
uh a new account to do this from. Um,

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uh a new account to do this from. Um,
 

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uh a new account to do this from. Um,
and I guess I'll have to explain what

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and I guess I'll have to explain what
 

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and I guess I'll have to explain what
doing this means in a bit, but um, I was

454
00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:19,279
doing this means in a bit, but um, I was
 

455
00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:20,710
doing this means in a bit, but um, I was
initially going to make a new account,

456
00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:20,720
initially going to make a new account,
 

457
00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,030
initially going to make a new account,
but then I decided to go with remaking

458
00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:25,040
but then I decided to go with remaking
 

459
00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,030
but then I decided to go with remaking
u retooling the screw ball account

460
00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:27,040
u retooling the screw ball account
 

461
00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,590
u retooling the screw ball account
because I haven't used it in years as

462
00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:29,600
because I haven't used it in years as
 

463
00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,710
because I haven't used it in years as
well as I feel like people don't take

464
00:10:32,710 --> 00:10:32,720
well as I feel like people don't take
 

465
00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,550
well as I feel like people don't take
things seriously unless they feel like

466
00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:36,560
things seriously unless they feel like
 

467
00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:39,750
things seriously unless they feel like
there is uh, this person has notoriety.

468
00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:39,760
there is uh, this person has notoriety.
 

469
00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,470
there is uh, this person has notoriety.
So they'll see a number and go, "Okay,

470
00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:42,480
So they'll see a number and go, "Okay,
 

471
00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,550
So they'll see a number and go, "Okay,
this is someone that is worth listening

472
00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:44,560
this is someone that is worth listening
 

473
00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,509
this is someone that is worth listening
to. It's not just rando on Twitter,

474
00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:47,519
to. It's not just rando on Twitter,
 

475
00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:50,389
to. It's not just rando on Twitter,
>> even though it's it very much still is

476
00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:50,399
>> even though it's it very much still is
 

477
00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:51,750
>> even though it's it very much still is
rando on Twitter."

478
00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:51,760
rando on Twitter."
 

479
00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,150
rando on Twitter."
>> Sure.

480
00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:52,160
>> Sure.
 

481
00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,870
>> Sure.
>> Um, you know, that's not to dismiss the

482
00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:54,880
>> Um, you know, that's not to dismiss the
 

483
00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,190
>> Um, you know, that's not to dismiss the
things I'm saying, but I am just a

484
00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:57,200
things I'm saying, but I am just a
 

485
00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,430
things I'm saying, but I am just a
random person on Twitter, and I don't

486
00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:59,440
random person on Twitter, and I don't
 

487
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,190
random person on Twitter, and I don't
think that makes me more or less

488
00:11:01,190 --> 00:11:01,200
think that makes me more or less
 

489
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,750
think that makes me more or less
qualified to give information. What is

490
00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:03,760
qualified to give information. What is
 

491
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,910
qualified to give information. What is
or isn't qualified is what the

492
00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:05,920
or isn't qualified is what the
 

493
00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,069
or isn't qualified is what the
information actually entails.

494
00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:08,079
information actually entails.
 

495
00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,470
information actually entails.
>> Right. Right. And I mean, let's think of

496
00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:10,480
>> Right. Right. And I mean, let's think of
 

497
00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,590
>> Right. Right. And I mean, let's think of
it like this way. Like making a whole

498
00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:13,600
it like this way. Like making a whole
 

499
00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,030
it like this way. Like making a whole
new Twitter account means having to make

500
00:11:15,030 --> 00:11:15,040
new Twitter account means having to make
 

501
00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,030
new Twitter account means having to make
a whole new email and then having to set

502
00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:17,040
a whole new email and then having to set
 

503
00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,350
a whole new email and then having to set
all that up. And given how like Twitter

504
00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:19,360
all that up. And given how like Twitter
 

505
00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,150
all that up. And given how like Twitter
is, especially now, like it's just like

506
00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:22,160
is, especially now, like it's just like
 

507
00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,990
is, especially now, like it's just like
if you already have an old account on

508
00:11:23,990 --> 00:11:24,000
if you already have an old account on
 

509
00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,350
if you already have an old account on
the sideline, you might as well just use

510
00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:25,360
the sideline, you might as well just use
 

511
00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,630
the sideline, you might as well just use
that instead of having to go through the

512
00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:26,640
that instead of having to go through the
 

513
00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,150
that instead of having to go through the
[\h__\h] hassle.

514
00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:28,160
[\h__\h] hassle.
 

515
00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:28,630
[\h__\h] hassle.
>> Yeah.

516
00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:28,640
>> Yeah.
 

517
00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,710
>> Yeah.
>> So that's exactly what happened.

518
00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:30,720
>> So that's exactly what happened.
 

519
00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,550
>> So that's exactly what happened.
>> So for simplicity sake kind of thing.

520
00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:34,560
>> So for simplicity sake kind of thing.
 

521
00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,790
>> So for simplicity sake kind of thing.
>> Yeah. But also, I I already had

522
00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:36,800
>> Yeah. But also, I I already had
 

523
00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,710
>> Yeah. But also, I I already had
thousands of followers on the account,

524
00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:38,720
thousands of followers on the account,
 

525
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,910
thousands of followers on the account,
and I knew that people would see that

526
00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:41,920
and I knew that people would see that
 

527
00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,470
and I knew that people would see that
and take it more seriously than if it

528
00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:44,480
and take it more seriously than if it
 

529
00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,389
and take it more seriously than if it
was a zero. Um, that's not me trying to

530
00:11:48,389 --> 00:11:48,399
was a zero. Um, that's not me trying to
 

531
00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:51,590
was a zero. Um, that's not me trying to
manipulate. It's just me wanting to get

532
00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:51,600
manipulate. It's just me wanting to get
 

533
00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,710
manipulate. It's just me wanting to get
the message out and knowing that people

534
00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:54,720
the message out and knowing that people
 

535
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,310
the message out and knowing that people
can sometimes look over things that

536
00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:58,320
can sometimes look over things that
 

537
00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,230
can sometimes look over things that
shouldn't be looked over,

538
00:12:00,230 --> 00:12:00,240
shouldn't be looked over,
 

539
00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,870
shouldn't be looked over,
>> right? So, how did you come to learn

540
00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:02,880
>> right? So, how did you come to learn
 

541
00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,150
>> right? So, how did you come to learn
about the Black Griffin? uh story and um

542
00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:06,160
about the Black Griffin? uh story and um
 

543
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,389
about the Black Griffin? uh story and um
t to kind of coincide with that uh

544
00:12:08,389 --> 00:12:08,399
t to kind of coincide with that uh
 

545
00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,430
t to kind of coincide with that uh
question, when did you first meet Sophie

546
00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:11,440
question, when did you first meet Sophie
 

547
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,190
question, when did you first meet Sophie
Shrugs? What were your your guys' first

548
00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:13,200
Shrugs? What were your your guys' first
 

549
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,269
Shrugs? What were your your guys' first
contact like?

550
00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:15,279
contact like?
 

551
00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:19,190
contact like?
>> Uh well, that is much later into the

552
00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:19,200
>> Uh well, that is much later into the
 

553
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,629
>> Uh well, that is much later into the
initial question. Uh I I I did know.

554
00:12:24,629 --> 00:12:24,639
initial question. Uh I I I did know.
 

555
00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:25,269
initial question. Uh I I I did know.
>> Okay,

556
00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:25,279
>> Okay,
 

557
00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:28,230
>> Okay,
>> we'll start with the first one. Um,

558
00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:28,240
>> we'll start with the first one. Um,
 

559
00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,269
>> we'll start with the first one. Um,
I was, you know, I I basically grew up

560
00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:31,279
I was, you know, I I basically grew up
 

561
00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:34,389
I was, you know, I I basically grew up
in the fandom and I knew of Black

562
00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:34,399
in the fandom and I knew of Black
 

563
00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:38,310
in the fandom and I knew of Black
Griffin and all other party members that

564
00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:38,320
Griffin and all other party members that
 

565
00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,230
Griffin and all other party members that
would become part of this uh since uh

566
00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:42,240
would become part of this uh since uh
 

567
00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,310
would become part of this uh since uh
very early on when they all started

568
00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:44,320
very early on when they all started
 

569
00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,590
very early on when they all started
doing stuff.

570
00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:45,600
doing stuff.
 

571
00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,190
doing stuff.
>> Um,

572
00:12:47,190 --> 00:12:47,200
>> Um,
 

573
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,670
>> Um,
but I was a fan for the most part of all

574
00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:51,680
but I was a fan for the most part of all
 

575
00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,230
but I was a fan for the most part of all
of them. Uh, I was at Brony's React

576
00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:54,240
of them. Uh, I was at Brony's React
 

577
00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,269
of them. Uh, I was at Brony's React
panels at cons. Uh sometimes when I was

578
00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:57,279
panels at cons. Uh sometimes when I was
 

579
00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:58,790
panels at cons. Uh sometimes when I was
there,

580
00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:58,800
there,
 

581
00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,910
there,
um I've met each of them prior, mostly

582
00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:03,920
um I've met each of them prior, mostly
 

583
00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,750
um I've met each of them prior, mostly
just for a picture, not like a huge

584
00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:05,760
just for a picture, not like a huge
 

585
00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,269
just for a picture, not like a huge
conversation or anything.

586
00:13:07,269 --> 00:13:07,279
conversation or anything.
 

587
00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:08,069
conversation or anything.
>> Mhm.

588
00:13:08,069 --> 00:13:08,079
>> Mhm.
 

589
00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:09,990
>> Mhm.
>> And

590
00:13:09,990 --> 00:13:10,000
>> And
 

591
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,110
>> And
uh even as recent as 2019, the last

592
00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:13,120
uh even as recent as 2019, the last
 

593
00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,350
uh even as recent as 2019, the last
Bronycon, I was still a fan of uh

594
00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:17,360
Bronycon, I was still a fan of uh
 

595
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,829
Bronycon, I was still a fan of uh
Gabriel. Um,

596
00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:19,839
Gabriel. Um,
 

597
00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:22,310
Gabriel. Um,
I I saw him and Michelle performing on

598
00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:22,320
I I saw him and Michelle performing on
 

599
00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,829
I I saw him and Michelle performing on
stage

600
00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:23,839
stage
 

601
00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:30,870
stage
and then come 2020, he was making some

602
00:13:30,870 --> 00:13:30,880
and then come 2020, he was making some
 

603
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,870
and then come 2020, he was making some
posts on Twitter uh in regards to the

604
00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:34,880
posts on Twitter uh in regards to the
 

605
00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,350
posts on Twitter uh in regards to the
BLM uh civil rights movement.

606
00:13:39,350 --> 00:13:39,360
BLM uh civil rights movement.
 

607
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:44,629
BLM uh civil rights movement.
And I started to think, hey, um, this is

608
00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:44,639
And I started to think, hey, um, this is
 

609
00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,670
And I started to think, hey, um, this is
this is not what I'd expect from him.

610
00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:47,680
this is not what I'd expect from him.
 

611
00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:48,310
this is not what I'd expect from him.
Mhm.

612
00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:48,320
Mhm.
 

613
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,790
Mhm.
>> And I'm not really cool with it. So, I'm

614
00:13:50,790 --> 00:13:50,800
>> And I'm not really cool with it. So, I'm
 

615
00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,870
>> And I'm not really cool with it. So, I'm
going to tell him that.

616
00:13:52,870 --> 00:13:52,880
going to tell him that.
 

617
00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,470
going to tell him that.
And

618
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:54,480
And
 

619
00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,990
And
uh trying to tell him that that's not

620
00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:58,000
uh trying to tell him that that's not
 

621
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,230
uh trying to tell him that that's not
okay. Didn't really

622
00:14:00,230 --> 00:14:00,240
okay. Didn't really
 

623
00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,269
okay. Didn't really
go anywhere. He didn't seem to care. Um

624
00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:03,279
go anywhere. He didn't seem to care. Um
 

625
00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,030
go anywhere. He didn't seem to care. Um
>> what what what exactly did he say? Was

626
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:05,040
>> what what what exactly did he say? Was
 

627
00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,509
>> what what what exactly did he say? Was
it just like a like a no like was the

628
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:07,519
it just like a like a no like was the
 

629
00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,590
it just like a like a no like was the
perspective like a no lives matter kind

630
00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:09,600
perspective like a no lives matter kind
 

631
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,470
perspective like a no lives matter kind
of thing? Like you know how that is.

632
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:12,480
of thing? Like you know how that is.
 

633
00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,750
of thing? Like you know how that is.
A lot of it screenshotted and uh cited

634
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:15,760
A lot of it screenshotted and uh cited
 

635
00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,949
A lot of it screenshotted and uh cited
in the Google doc. I I could pull it up.

636
00:14:18,949 --> 00:14:18,959
in the Google doc. I I could pull it up.
 

637
00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:20,870
in the Google doc. I I could pull it up.
I don't I just don't want to like

638
00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:20,880
I don't I just don't want to like
 

639
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,710
I don't I just don't want to like
>> I mean I could do it too, I suppose. I

640
00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:22,720
>> I mean I could do it too, I suppose. I
 

641
00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,670
>> I mean I could do it too, I suppose. I
don't know if it's still

642
00:14:23,670 --> 00:14:23,680
don't know if it's still
 

643
00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,870
don't know if it's still
>> I don't want to misquote because people

644
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:26,880
>> I don't want to misquote because people
 

645
00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,670
>> I don't want to misquote because people
like to um take anything I slightly say

646
00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:31,680
like to um take anything I slightly say
 

647
00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,670
like to um take anything I slightly say
out of,

648
00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:33,680
out of,
 

649
00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,990
out of,
you know, and use it.

650
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:36,000
you know, and use it.
 

651
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,670
you know, and use it.
>> Sorry, I'm I I keep saying

652
00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:37,680
>> Sorry, I'm I I keep saying
 

653
00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,350
>> Sorry, I'm I I keep saying
>> it's fine. I got it pulled off.

654
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:39,360
>> it's fine. I got it pulled off.
 

655
00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,350
>> it's fine. I got it pulled off.
>> Yeah, I know. It's fine. I got it pulled

656
00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:41,360
>> Yeah, I know. It's fine. I got it pulled
 

657
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,189
>> Yeah, I know. It's fine. I got it pulled
up. Is it under this one? Okay. I'm

658
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:45,199
up. Is it under this one? Okay. I'm
 

659
00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:47,990
up. Is it under this one? Okay. I'm
seeing like his likes of Candace Owens

660
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:48,000
seeing like his likes of Candace Owens
 

661
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,470
seeing like his likes of Candace Owens
stuff. Uh

662
00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:50,480
stuff. Uh
 

663
00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,030
stuff. Uh
I don't

664
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:51,040
I don't
 

665
00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,990
I don't
>> Yeah, I think the document creator has

666
00:14:53,990 --> 00:14:54,000
>> Yeah, I think the document creator has
 

667
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,470
>> Yeah, I think the document creator has
changed the tabs again.

668
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:56,480
changed the tabs again.
 

669
00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,389
changed the tabs again.
>> Oh, has that?

670
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:58,399
>> Oh, has that?
 

671
00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:00,870
>> Oh, has that?
>> Okay. Racism, racism, and transphobia is

672
00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:00,880
>> Okay. Racism, racism, and transphobia is
 

673
00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:01,910
>> Okay. Racism, racism, and transphobia is
the section.

674
00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:01,920
the section.
 

675
00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,990
the section.
>> Yeah. Is it racism by definition is

676
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:04,000
>> Yeah. Is it racism by definition is
 

677
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,430
>> Yeah. Is it racism by definition is
hating someone simply because of the

678
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:05,440
hating someone simply because of the
 

679
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,990
hating someone simply because of the
color or assuming that because someone

680
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:08,000
color or assuming that because someone
 

681
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,750
color or assuming that because someone
is of a certain color they are not

682
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:09,760
is of a certain color they are not
 

683
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,430
is of a certain color they are not
deserving of rights? White

684
00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:11,440
deserving of rights? White
 

685
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,350
deserving of rights? White
marginalization may be harder to come by

686
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:13,360
marginalization may be harder to come by
 

687
00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,269
marginalization may be harder to come by
in America now but millions of white

688
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:15,279
in America now but millions of white
 

689
00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:17,430
in America now but millions of white
Europeans were enslaved in the 1700s. Is

690
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:17,440
Europeans were enslaved in the 1700s. Is
 

691
00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,910
Europeans were enslaved in the 1700s. Is
that what we're talking about?

692
00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:19,920
that what we're talking about?
 

693
00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,110
that what we're talking about?
>> Um yes and a few others. Uh his likes,

694
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:23,120
>> Um yes and a few others. Uh his likes,
 

695
00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,110
>> Um yes and a few others. Uh his likes,
his uh retweets and uh things he

696
00:15:27,110 --> 00:15:27,120
his uh retweets and uh things he
 

697
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,629
his uh retweets and uh things he
specifically said.

698
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:28,639
specifically said.
 

699
00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:32,629
specifically said.
>> Mhm. Um, there is more that he said at

700
00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:32,639
>> Mhm. Um, there is more that he said at
 

701
00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:36,710
>> Mhm. Um, there is more that he said at
the time that aren't here. I I don't

702
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:36,720
the time that aren't here. I I don't
 

703
00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,310
the time that aren't here. I I don't
know if that's because the document

704
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:40,320
know if that's because the document
 

705
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,389
know if that's because the document
didn't the document maker didn't put it

706
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:42,399
didn't the document maker didn't put it
 

707
00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,710
didn't the document maker didn't put it
in there or if those are lost to time,

708
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:46,720
in there or if those are lost to time,
 

709
00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:47,269
in there or if those are lost to time,
>> right?

710
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:47,279
>> right?
 

711
00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:52,150
>> right?
>> But he he he had a whole thread uh of

712
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:52,160
>> But he he he had a whole thread uh of
 

713
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,230
>> But he he he had a whole thread uh of
him talking and going back and forth

714
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:54,240
him talking and going back and forth
 

715
00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,710
him talking and going back and forth
with other users, too.

716
00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:56,720
with other users, too.
 

717
00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,150
with other users, too.
um some of them black themselves where

718
00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:00,160
um some of them black themselves where
 

719
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,670
um some of them black themselves where
he would argue that white people have

720
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:03,680
he would argue that white people have
 

721
00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,110
he would argue that white people have
been slaves so therefore it's the same

722
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:07,120
been slaves so therefore it's the same
 

723
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,910
been slaves so therefore it's the same
um when people try to explain to him

724
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:09,920
um when people try to explain to him
 

725
00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,310
um when people try to explain to him
that white people were not slaves

726
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:12,320
that white people were not slaves
 

727
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,230
that white people were not slaves
because they were white people. They

728
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:14,240
because they were white people. They
 

729
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,509
because they were white people. They
were slaves because uh getting humans to

730
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:17,519
were slaves because uh getting humans to
 

731
00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:22,310
were slaves because uh getting humans to
do things by force is an evil but easier

732
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:22,320
do things by force is an evil but easier
 

733
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,430
do things by force is an evil but easier
thing to do. while black people were

734
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:25,440
thing to do. while black people were
 

735
00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,069
thing to do. while black people were
usually chosen because they were seen as

736
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:28,079
usually chosen because they were seen as
 

737
00:16:28,079 --> 00:16:31,350
usually chosen because they were seen as
lesser and only as like work fodder.

738
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:31,360
lesser and only as like work fodder.
 

739
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:31,670
lesser and only as like work fodder.
>> Mhm.

740
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:31,680
>> Mhm.
 

741
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,749
>> Mhm.
>> Uh he didn't seem to care about that

742
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:33,759
>> Uh he didn't seem to care about that
 

743
00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:36,629
>> Uh he didn't seem to care about that
aspect. Um

744
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:36,639
aspect. Um
 

745
00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:39,030
aspect. Um
and he would say and he said things like

746
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:39,040
and he would say and he said things like
 

747
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:43,749
and he would say and he said things like
90% of racism isn't real, but but he

748
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:43,759
90% of racism isn't real, but but he
 

749
00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:47,110
90% of racism isn't real, but but he
does believe it is a thing 10% of the

750
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:47,120
does believe it is a thing 10% of the
 

751
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:47,990
does believe it is a thing 10% of the
time.

752
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:48,000
time.
 

753
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,749
time.
>> Yeah, that's not in the document. I'm

754
00:16:49,749 --> 00:16:49,759
>> Yeah, that's not in the document. I'm
 

755
00:16:49,759 --> 00:16:51,749
>> Yeah, that's not in the document. I'm
noticing that now. Um,

756
00:16:51,749 --> 00:16:51,759
noticing that now. Um,
 

757
00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,590
noticing that now. Um,
>> well, I I kind of

758
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:53,600
>> well, I I kind of
 

759
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,829
>> well, I I kind of
>> like attribute It's okay. I kind of

760
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:55,839
>> like attribute It's okay. I kind of
 

761
00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:57,749
>> like attribute It's okay. I kind of
attribute a lot of this maybe to perhaps

762
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:57,759
attribute a lot of this maybe to perhaps
 

763
00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,710
attribute a lot of this maybe to perhaps
like a cuz you you know how like anti-SJ

764
00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:00,720
like a cuz you you know how like anti-SJ
 

765
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,990
like a cuz you you know how like anti-SJ
I could speak on this personally because

766
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:02,000
I could speak on this personally because
 

767
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,350
I could speak on this personally because
I was in that field when I was like 16

768
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:03,360
I was in that field when I was like 16
 

769
00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,870
I was in that field when I was like 16
years old. You know how like the

770
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:04,880
years old. You know how like the
 

771
00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,189
years old. You know how like the
anti-SJW movements with the skeptics and

772
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:07,199
anti-SJW movements with the skeptics and
 

773
00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:08,789
anti-SJW movements with the skeptics and
[\h__\h] like that got really big and like

774
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:08,799
[\h__\h] like that got really big and like
 

775
00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,390
[\h__\h] like that got really big and like
it became kind of like this cannon

776
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:10,400
it became kind of like this cannon
 

777
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,789
it became kind of like this cannon
fodder thing for the last since like

778
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:12,799
fodder thing for the last since like
 

779
00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,350
fodder thing for the last since like
2016 up to like 2020 kind of thing

780
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:15,360
2016 up to like 2020 kind of thing
 

781
00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:16,870
2016 up to like 2020 kind of thing
>> and then it kind of like completely died

782
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:16,880
>> and then it kind of like completely died
 

783
00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,270
>> and then it kind of like completely died
out during COVID. That's what I kind of

784
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:19,280
out during COVID. That's what I kind of
 

785
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,990
out during COVID. That's what I kind of
attribute a lot of this to is maybe just

786
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:22,000
attribute a lot of this to is maybe just
 

787
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,630
attribute a lot of this to is maybe just
like maybe had a he had a spint of an SJ

788
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:24,640
like maybe had a he had a spint of an SJ
 

789
00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,710
like maybe had a he had a spint of an SJ
anti-SJW phase or whatever the [\h__\h]

790
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:28,720
anti-SJW phase or whatever the [\h__\h]
 

791
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,230
anti-SJW phase or whatever the [\h__\h]
>> I

792
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:30,240
>> I
 

793
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,830
>> I
I don't believe so because

794
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:33,840
I don't believe so because
 

795
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,190
I don't believe so because
he has never retracted any of this. He's

796
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:37,200
he has never retracted any of this. He's
 

797
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,470
he has never retracted any of this. He's
never made comments against these

798
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:40,480
never made comments against these
 

799
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,430
never made comments against these
beliefs.

800
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:41,440
beliefs.
 

801
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,590
beliefs.
>> Mhm. Um,

802
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:43,600
>> Mhm. Um,
 

803
00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,830
>> Mhm. Um,
all of his more progressive comments

804
00:17:45,830 --> 00:17:45,840
all of his more progressive comments
 

805
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,470
all of his more progressive comments
that Billy Bustup's document tried to

806
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:48,480
that Billy Bustup's document tried to
 

807
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:54,230
that Billy Bustup's document tried to
lift up um were more like good sounding

808
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:54,240
lift up um were more like good sounding
 

809
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,270
lift up um were more like good sounding
but pretty uh neutral and on and vague

810
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:59,280
but pretty uh neutral and on and vague
 

811
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,909
but pretty uh neutral and on and vague
uh like like people should be nice to

812
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:01,919
uh like like people should be nice to
 

813
00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:04,630
uh like like people should be nice to
each other, stuff like that. Um it it's

814
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:04,640
each other, stuff like that. Um it it's
 

815
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,789
each other, stuff like that. Um it it's
not exactly going against what he

816
00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:06,799
not exactly going against what he
 

817
00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,630
not exactly going against what he
believed here. I think he just wised up

818
00:18:10,630 --> 00:18:10,640
believed here. I think he just wised up
 

819
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,950
believed here. I think he just wised up
to saying it online.

820
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:12,960
to saying it online.
 

821
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,669
to saying it online.
>> Yeah. Being more open about it.

822
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:15,679
>> Yeah. Being more open about it.
 

823
00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:17,270
>> Yeah. Being more open about it.
>> Yeah. Um

824
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:17,280
>> Yeah. Um
 

825
00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,789
>> Yeah. Um
>> um I mean to be fair like I I I more so

826
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:20,799
>> um I mean to be fair like I I I more so
 

827
00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:22,789
>> um I mean to be fair like I I I more so
just base that on the judgment of like I

828
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:22,799
just base that on the judgment of like I
 

829
00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:24,070
just base that on the judgment of like I
don't like doing that whole guilt by

830
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:24,080
don't like doing that whole guilt by
 

831
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,669
don't like doing that whole guilt by
association thing. That's why I actually

832
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:25,679
association thing. That's why I actually
 

833
00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:28,789
association thing. That's why I actually
like talk to people. Uh and and I I

834
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:28,799
like talk to people. Uh and and I I
 

835
00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,470
like talk to people. Uh and and I I
completely agree like some of the likes

836
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:30,480
completely agree like some of the likes
 

837
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,990
completely agree like some of the likes
are concerning just cuz I don't like

838
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:32,000
are concerning just cuz I don't like
 

839
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,630
are concerning just cuz I don't like
Candace Ownans particularly. Um and that

840
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:34,640
Candace Ownans particularly. Um and that
 

841
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,549
Candace Ownans particularly. Um and that
Zubie guy I don't like at all. Like I

842
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:36,559
Zubie guy I don't like at all. Like I
 

843
00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:40,070
Zubie guy I don't like at all. Like I
get it. Like but at the same time like I

844
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:40,080
get it. Like but at the same time like I
 

845
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,190
get it. Like but at the same time like I
I I see a Twitter like as more of just

846
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:43,200
I I see a Twitter like as more of just
 

847
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,430
I I see a Twitter like as more of just
like sometimes when people like things

848
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:45,440
like sometimes when people like things
 

849
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,870
like sometimes when people like things
on Twitter, they don't really think

850
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:46,880
on Twitter, they don't really think
 

851
00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,390
on Twitter, they don't really think
about it. They just like, "Oh, that's a

852
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:48,400
about it. They just like, "Oh, that's a
 

853
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,830
about it. They just like, "Oh, that's a
creator I like." And whatever they

854
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:49,840
creator I like." And whatever they
 

855
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,430
creator I like." And whatever they
scroll. I would know this cuz like that

856
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:51,440
scroll. I would know this cuz like that
 

857
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,110
scroll. I would know this cuz like that
was what my Twitter likes looked like.

858
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:53,120
was what my Twitter likes looked like.
 

859
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,110
was what my Twitter likes looked like.
It's just liking a bunch of random [\h__\h]

860
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:55,120
It's just liking a bunch of random [\h__\h]
 

861
00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,070
It's just liking a bunch of random [\h__\h]
that I saw in my feed sometimes. So I

862
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:58,080
that I saw in my feed sometimes. So I
 

863
00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,029
that I saw in my feed sometimes. So I
mean

864
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:59,039
mean
 

865
00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,029
mean
>> these correspond to what he was posting.

866
00:19:01,029 --> 00:19:01,039
>> these correspond to what he was posting.
 

867
00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,430
>> these correspond to what he was posting.
Like he was not only liking multiple

868
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:03,440
Like he was not only liking multiple
 

869
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,590
Like he was not only liking multiple
posts from these same people at the same

870
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:05,600
posts from these same people at the same
 

871
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,470
posts from these same people at the same
time,

872
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:06,480
time,
 

873
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,070
time,
>> all saying the same kind of spiel about

874
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:10,080
>> all saying the same kind of spiel about
 

875
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,789
>> all saying the same kind of spiel about
like how uh the right is being like

876
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:14,799
like how uh the right is being like
 

877
00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,350
like how uh the right is being like
oppressed and how

878
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:17,360
oppressed and how
 

879
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,390
oppressed and how
all these other like conspiracy theory

880
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:20,400
all these other like conspiracy theory
 

881
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,950
all these other like conspiracy theory
kind of deals. U he was also going along

882
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:22,960
kind of deals. U he was also going along
 

883
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,430
kind of deals. U he was also going along
with what he was saying himself at the

884
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:25,440
with what he was saying himself at the
 

885
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,870
with what he was saying himself at the
time. Mhm.

886
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:26,880
time. Mhm.
 

887
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,750
time. Mhm.
>> Um and he would also defend it whenever

888
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:29,760
>> Um and he would also defend it whenever
 

889
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,310
>> Um and he would also defend it whenever
called out on it. Uh he doesn't respond

890
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:32,320
called out on it. Uh he doesn't respond
 

891
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,270
called out on it. Uh he doesn't respond
to much anymore, but he at the time he

892
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:35,280
to much anymore, but he at the time he
 

893
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,110
to much anymore, but he at the time he
would respond to everyone.

894
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:37,120
would respond to everyone.
 

895
00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,430
would respond to everyone.
>> Right. Well, I mean I I can sort of

896
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:39,440
>> Right. Well, I mean I I can sort of
 

897
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,029
>> Right. Well, I mean I I can sort of
understand that like if you make a point

898
00:19:41,029 --> 00:19:41,039
understand that like if you make a point
 

899
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,029
understand that like if you make a point
online sometimes you get very defensive

900
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:43,039
online sometimes you get very defensive
 

901
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,110
online sometimes you get very defensive
and you kind of double down and feel

902
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:45,120
and you kind of double down and feel
 

903
00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,870
and you kind of double down and feel
like it's your responsibility to respond

904
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:46,880
like it's your responsibility to respond
 

905
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,789
like it's your responsibility to respond
to absolutely everybody who disagrees so

906
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:48,799
to absolutely everybody who disagrees so
 

907
00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,110
to absolutely everybody who disagrees so
you can be like stand on principle. But

908
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:51,120
you can be like stand on principle. But
 

909
00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,630
you can be like stand on principle. But
you know, you know how Twitter is. It's

910
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:52,640
you know, you know how Twitter is. It's
 

911
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,870
you know, you know how Twitter is. It's
like is that really worth it again in

912
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:54,880
like is that really worth it again in
 

913
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,630
like is that really worth it again in
the end? Is that really worth the

914
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:56,640
the end? Is that really worth the
 

915
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,029
the end? Is that really worth the
[\h__\h] struggle? I you know,

916
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:59,039
[\h__\h] struggle? I you know,
 

917
00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,070
[\h__\h] struggle? I you know,
>> I mean, I I I can agree with that cuz

918
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:02,080
>> I mean, I I I can agree with that cuz
 

919
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,750
>> I mean, I I I can agree with that cuz
I've learned that um

920
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:05,760
I've learned that um
 

921
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,150
I've learned that um
if if someone is

922
00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:08,160
if if someone is
 

923
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,070
if if someone is
going to think one thing, going back and

924
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:10,080
going to think one thing, going back and
 

925
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,310
going to think one thing, going back and
forth with them isn't always going to

926
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:12,320
forth with them isn't always going to
 

927
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,270
forth with them isn't always going to
change

928
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:13,280
change
 

929
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,789
change
>> anything. It depends on who you're

930
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:14,799
>> anything. It depends on who you're
 

931
00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:15,830
>> anything. It depends on who you're
talking to,

932
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:15,840
talking to,
 

933
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,230
talking to,
>> right?

934
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:16,240
>> right?
 

935
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,390
>> right?
>> And I got into a lot of back and forth

936
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:18,400
>> And I got into a lot of back and forth
 

937
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,830
>> And I got into a lot of back and forth
with people

938
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:19,840
with people
 

939
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,669
with people
>> that were never going to go anywhere, no

940
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:21,679
>> that were never going to go anywhere, no
 

941
00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,350
>> that were never going to go anywhere, no
matter what was said.

942
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:23,360
matter what was said.
 

943
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,190
matter what was said.
>> Yeah.

944
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:25,200
>> Yeah.
 

945
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,750
>> Yeah.
So, let's talk about Sophie real quick.

946
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:27,760
So, let's talk about Sophie real quick.
 

947
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,149
So, let's talk about Sophie real quick.
Um, you said you didn't mate her until

948
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:30,159
Um, you said you didn't mate her until
 

949
00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,149
Um, you said you didn't mate her until
like way after you started doing this

950
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:32,159
like way after you started doing this
 

951
00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,990
like way after you started doing this
kind of on your own. Um,

952
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:34,000
kind of on your own. Um,
 

953
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:34,630
kind of on your own. Um,
>> yes.

954
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:34,640
>> yes.
 

955
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,430
>> yes.
>> So, what what was the thought process in

956
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:37,440
>> So, what what was the thought process in
 

957
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,750
>> So, what what was the thought process in
letting them kind of cosign the account?

958
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:39,760
letting them kind of cosign the account?
 

959
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,390
letting them kind of cosign the account?
>> So, after I started calling uh Griffin

960
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:44,400
>> So, after I started calling uh Griffin
 

961
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,950
>> So, after I started calling uh Griffin
out on my main account, not Brony Fando,

962
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:46,960
out on my main account, not Brony Fando,
 

963
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,870
out on my main account, not Brony Fando,
it didn't exist at the time.

964
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:48,880
it didn't exist at the time.
 

965
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,230
it didn't exist at the time.
>> I mean, I guess it did, but it was still

966
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:50,240
>> I mean, I guess it did, but it was still
 

967
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,669
>> I mean, I guess it did, but it was still
the Screw Ball account that I wasn't

968
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:51,679
the Screw Ball account that I wasn't
 

969
00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:52,630
the Screw Ball account that I wasn't
using. Mhm.

970
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:52,640
using. Mhm.
 

971
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,310
using. Mhm.
>> Um

972
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:54,320
>> Um
 

973
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,669
>> Um
I um I

974
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:57,679
I um I
 

975
00:20:57,679 --> 00:21:02,390
I um I
I I was even still on the side of like

976
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:02,400
I I was even still on the side of like
 

977
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,310
I I was even still on the side of like
he him

978
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:04,320
he him
 

979
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,510
he him
and his situation with Claire is weird,

980
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:07,520
and his situation with Claire is weird,
 

981
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,190
and his situation with Claire is weird,
but I wouldn't consider it grooming

982
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:09,200
but I wouldn't consider it grooming
 

983
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,230
but I wouldn't consider it grooming
myself. And I was saying stuff like that

984
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:12,240
myself. And I was saying stuff like that
 

985
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,310
myself. And I was saying stuff like that
while calling his racism like

986
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:14,320
while calling his racism like
 

987
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,430
while calling his racism like
unacceptable.

988
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:15,440
unacceptable.
 

989
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,669
unacceptable.
>> Mhm. Um,

990
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:17,679
>> Mhm. Um,
 

991
00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:20,789
>> Mhm. Um,
and that led to the conversation that

992
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:20,799
and that led to the conversation that
 

993
00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:22,950
and that led to the conversation that
where Claire joked about wanting to be

994
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:22,960
where Claire joked about wanting to be
 

995
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,470
where Claire joked about wanting to be
groomed.

996
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:24,480
groomed.
 

997
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,270
groomed.
>> Um,

998
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:27,280
>> Um,
 

999
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,430
>> Um,
which then,

1000
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:29,440
which then,
 

1001
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,190
which then,
um,

1002
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:31,200
um,
 

1003
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,950
um,
spiraled into me

1004
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:34,960
spiraled into me
 

1005
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,110
spiraled into me
wanting to get consequences for not just

1006
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:37,120
wanting to get consequences for not just
 

1007
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,070
wanting to get consequences for not just
him, but for other bronies uh, that were

1008
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:40,080
him, but for other bronies uh, that were
 

1009
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,549
him, but for other bronies uh, that were
doing crazy [\h__\h] Mhm.

1010
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:42,559
doing crazy [\h__\h] Mhm.
 

1011
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:44,950
doing crazy [\h__\h] Mhm.
>> Um, Nazism is a huge problem in the

1012
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:44,960
>> Um, Nazism is a huge problem in the
 

1013
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,230
>> Um, Nazism is a huge problem in the
fandom.

1014
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:46,240
fandom.
 

1015
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,430
fandom.
>> I don't think,

1016
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:47,440
>> I don't think,
 

1017
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,909
>> I don't think,
>> yeah, I don't think Gabriel is a Nazi.

1018
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:49,919
>> yeah, I don't think Gabriel is a Nazi.
 

1019
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:51,270
>> yeah, I don't think Gabriel is a Nazi.
He is,

1020
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:51,280
He is,
 

1021
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,510
He is,
>> I believe, a racist, but I don't believe

1022
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:53,520
>> I believe, a racist, but I don't believe
 

1023
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,070
>> I believe, a racist, but I don't believe
he's a Nazi. There are many legitimate

1024
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:58,080
he's a Nazi. There are many legitimate
 

1025
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,470
he's a Nazi. There are many legitimate
outwardly facing Nazis in the fandom,

1026
00:22:00,470 --> 00:22:00,480
outwardly facing Nazis in the fandom,
 

1027
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,029
outwardly facing Nazis in the fandom,
though. Um, and I think under the love

1028
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:03,039
though. Um, and I think under the love
 

1029
00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:04,789
though. Um, and I think under the love
and tolerate

1030
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:04,799
and tolerate
 

1031
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:08,710
and tolerate
slogan, um, people find telling someone

1032
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:08,720
slogan, um, people find telling someone
 

1033
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,950
slogan, um, people find telling someone
they can't have a pony with a swastika

1034
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:10,960
they can't have a pony with a swastika
 

1035
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,350
they can't have a pony with a swastika
cutie mark, uh, as more drama like that.

1036
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:15,360
cutie mark, uh, as more drama like that.
 

1037
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,110
cutie mark, uh, as more drama like that.
You can't yell at someone for that.

1038
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:17,120
You can't yell at someone for that.
 

1039
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,029
You can't yell at someone for that.
They're not being mean to you. They're

1040
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:19,039
They're not being mean to you. They're
 

1041
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,750
They're not being mean to you. They're
just making a Nazi horse. Like,

1042
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:21,760
just making a Nazi horse. Like,
 

1043
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,430
just making a Nazi horse. Like,
>> what the [\h__\h]

1044
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:23,440
>> what the [\h__\h]
 

1045
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,270
>> what the [\h__\h]
>> That's the mentality that a lot of the

1046
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:25,280
>> That's the mentality that a lot of the
 

1047
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,669
>> That's the mentality that a lot of the
fandom had. Yeah. But it it it it gets

1048
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:27,679
fandom had. Yeah. But it it it it gets
 

1049
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,870
fandom had. Yeah. But it it it it gets
me that reaction where I go, "What the

1050
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:30,880
me that reaction where I go, "What the
 

1051
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,430
me that reaction where I go, "What the
[\h__\h] is happening? I I this needs to

1052
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:33,440
[\h__\h] is happening? I I this needs to
 

1053
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,149
[\h__\h] is happening? I I this needs to
stop."

1054
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:34,159
stop."
 

1055
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:34,549
stop."
>> Right.

1056
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:34,559
>> Right.
 

1057
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:39,510
>> Right.
>> Um so I see like some of the the biggest

1058
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:39,520
>> Um so I see like some of the the biggest
 

1059
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,630
>> Um so I see like some of the the biggest
faces in the fandom uh siding with a lot

1060
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:42,640
faces in the fandom uh siding with a lot
 

1061
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,190
faces in the fandom uh siding with a lot
of this stuff like a Prince Whatever

1062
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:45,200
of this stuff like a Prince Whatever
 

1063
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,789
of this stuff like a Prince Whatever
doing collaborations with a very outward

1064
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:48,799
doing collaborations with a very outward
 

1065
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,789
doing collaborations with a very outward
uh popular Nazi uh in the fandom.

1066
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:52,799
uh popular Nazi uh in the fandom.
 

1067
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:54,310
uh popular Nazi uh in the fandom.
Um, and I go,

1068
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:54,320
Um, and I go,
 

1069
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,830
Um, and I go,
>> just the term popular Nazi is insane.

1070
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:57,840
>> just the term popular Nazi is insane.
 

1071
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,710
>> just the term popular Nazi is insane.
>> Like, what do you mean?

1072
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:58,720
>> Like, what do you mean?
 

1073
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,590
>> Like, what do you mean?
>> No, that's the thing. In the fandom,

1074
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:01,600
>> No, that's the thing. In the fandom,
 

1075
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,750
>> No, that's the thing. In the fandom,
they act like it's not,

1076
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:03,760
they act like it's not,
 

1077
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,549
they act like it's not,
>> but if you go outside of that bubble,

1078
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:06,559
>> but if you go outside of that bubble,
 

1079
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,230
>> but if you go outside of that bubble,
>> it is very insane.

1080
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:08,240
>> it is very insane.
 

1081
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,830
>> it is very insane.
>> Uh, and that's why I felt like I was

1082
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:09,840
>> Uh, and that's why I felt like I was
 

1083
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,070
>> Uh, and that's why I felt like I was
going insane. And that I I had to do

1084
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:12,080
going insane. And that I I had to do
 

1085
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,549
going insane. And that I I had to do
more. So, that's why I did more.

1086
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:14,559
more. So, that's why I did more.
 

1087
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,789
more. So, that's why I did more.
>> I made an account with the intent to

1088
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:16,799
>> I made an account with the intent to
 

1089
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:21,669
>> I made an account with the intent to
call out all of this [\h__\h] Um because

1090
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:21,679
call out all of this [\h__\h] Um because
 

1091
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:23,830
call out all of this [\h__\h] Um because
like I was saying like Prince whatever

1092
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:23,840
like I was saying like Prince whatever
 

1093
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,470
like I was saying like Prince whatever
was collabing with someone and initially

1094
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:26,480
was collabing with someone and initially
 

1095
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,830
was collabing with someone and initially
instead of just uh calling him out I

1096
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:29,840
instead of just uh calling him out I
 

1097
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,990
instead of just uh calling him out I
tried uh talking to him, messaging him.

1098
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:32,000
tried uh talking to him, messaging him.
 

1099
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,870
tried uh talking to him, messaging him.
Other people even tried DMing him. He

1100
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:34,880
Other people even tried DMing him. He
 

1101
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,669
Other people even tried DMing him. He
would stop responding when that topic

1102
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:37,679
would stop responding when that topic
 

1103
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:39,270
would stop responding when that topic
came up. He would just drop the

1104
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:39,280
came up. He would just drop the
 

1105
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,190
came up. He would just drop the
conversations. He knew what was going

1106
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:41,200
conversations. He knew what was going
 

1107
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,669
conversations. He knew what was going
what was happening. We tried to get him

1108
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:43,679
what was happening. We tried to get him
 

1109
00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:47,990
what was happening. We tried to get him
to know and then he would ignore anyone

1110
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:48,000
to know and then he would ignore anyone
 

1111
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,310
to know and then he would ignore anyone
trying to bring it to his attention.

1112
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:50,320
trying to bring it to his attention.
 

1113
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,270
trying to bring it to his attention.
>> Um, so then I started calling him out on

1114
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:53,280
>> Um, so then I started calling him out on
 

1115
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,789
>> Um, so then I started calling him out on
my main account and I called other

1116
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:54,799
my main account and I called other
 

1117
00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,630
my main account and I called other
people out including Gabriel on my main

1118
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:56,640
people out including Gabriel on my main
 

1119
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,029
people out including Gabriel on my main
account and it always kind of got too

1120
00:24:01,029 --> 00:24:01,039
account and it always kind of got too
 

1121
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,149
account and it always kind of got too
cluttered,

1122
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:02,159
cluttered,
 

1123
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:04,310
cluttered,
>> right? Um, if I made a thread about

1124
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:04,320
>> right? Um, if I made a thread about
 

1125
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,029
>> right? Um, if I made a thread about
someone and then I kept using my main

1126
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:07,039
someone and then I kept using my main
 

1127
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:09,350
someone and then I kept using my main
account for whatever, uh, personal

1128
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:09,360
account for whatever, uh, personal
 

1129
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,029
account for whatever, uh, personal
stuff, posting artwork I got or memes or

1130
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:13,039
stuff, posting artwork I got or memes or
 

1131
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,190
stuff, posting artwork I got or memes or
whatever, it would get lost. So, I

1132
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:15,200
whatever, it would get lost. So, I
 

1133
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,830
whatever, it would get lost. So, I
decided it needed to go somewhere where

1134
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:17,840
decided it needed to go somewhere where
 

1135
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,149
decided it needed to go somewhere where
it could be isolated, where someone

1136
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:20,159
it could be isolated, where someone
 

1137
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:22,870
it could be isolated, where someone
could sift through it all and it

1138
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:22,880
could sift through it all and it
 

1139
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,909
could sift through it all and it
wouldn't be lost in a sea of whatever

1140
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:25,919
wouldn't be lost in a sea of whatever
 

1141
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,669
wouldn't be lost in a sea of whatever
random [\h__\h] I'm posting.

1142
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:27,679
random [\h__\h] I'm posting.
 

1143
00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:29,269
random [\h__\h] I'm posting.
>> Right.

1144
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:29,279
>> Right.
 

1145
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:32,070
>> Right.
So, I made the Brony Fandone account.

1146
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:32,080
So, I made the Brony Fandone account.
 

1147
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,510
So, I made the Brony Fandone account.
Um, I I don't remember if Gabriel was

1148
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:35,520
Um, I I don't remember if Gabriel was
 

1149
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,510
Um, I I don't remember if Gabriel was
the first person I even talked about on

1150
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:37,520
the first person I even talked about on
 

1151
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,350
the first person I even talked about on
there. I think it might have been Terra

1152
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:39,360
there. I think it might have been Terra
 

1153
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,789
there. I think it might have been Terra
Terra Strong.

1154
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:40,799
Terra Strong.
 

1155
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:41,430
Terra Strong.
>> Mhm.

1156
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:41,440
>> Mhm.
 

1157
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,390
>> Mhm.
>> Um, I don't remember. He might have been

1158
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:44,400
>> Um, I don't remember. He might have been
 

1159
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,669
>> Um, I don't remember. He might have been
the first. It might have been Terara

1160
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:45,679
the first. It might have been Terara
 

1161
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:47,190
the first. It might have been Terara
Strong. It might have been someone else.

1162
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:47,200
Strong. It might have been someone else.
 

1163
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,269
Strong. It might have been someone else.
I can't entirely remember but he was

1164
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:51,279
I can't entirely remember but he was
 

1165
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:57,110
I can't entirely remember but he was
very easily the most like popular topic

1166
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:57,120
very easily the most like popular topic
 

1167
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,110
very easily the most like popular topic
because there was so much surrounding

1168
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:59,120
because there was so much surrounding
 

1169
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:04,310
because there was so much surrounding
him that even then uh when I didn't have

1170
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:04,320
him that even then uh when I didn't have
 

1171
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,510
him that even then uh when I didn't have
all the information I do now he had the

1172
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:07,520
all the information I do now he had the
 

1173
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,470
all the information I do now he had the
most controversial

1174
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:10,480
most controversial
 

1175
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,909
most controversial
things to talk about already

1176
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:13,919
things to talk about already
 

1177
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:17,669
things to talk about already
>> um and people latched on to that uh

1178
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:17,679
>> um and people latched on to that uh
 

1179
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:20,070
>> um and people latched on to that uh
because the more information you give,

1180
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:20,080
because the more information you give,
 

1181
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,630
because the more information you give,
the more there is to talk about, which

1182
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:22,640
the more there is to talk about, which
 

1183
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,190
the more there is to talk about, which
isn't a good or bad thing. That is it

1184
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:25,200
isn't a good or bad thing. That is it
 

1185
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,310
isn't a good or bad thing. That is it
makes sense. Um I I do feel like a lot

1186
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:28,320
makes sense. Um I I do feel like a lot
 

1187
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,190
makes sense. Um I I do feel like a lot
of people just want drama and I try to

1188
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:31,200
of people just want drama and I try to
 

1189
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,110
of people just want drama and I try to
avoid giving them that. I I do really

1190
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:35,120
avoid giving them that. I I do really
 

1191
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:39,029
avoid giving them that. I I do really
just want people to see what's going on

1192
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:39,039
just want people to see what's going on
 

1193
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,669
just want people to see what's going on
and understand to stay the [\h__\h] away.

1194
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:41,679
and understand to stay the [\h__\h] away.
 

1195
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:43,269
and understand to stay the [\h__\h] away.
Um,

1196
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:43,279
Um,
 

1197
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:47,590
Um,
>> but a lot of people do want

1198
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:47,600
>> but a lot of people do want
 

1199
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,950
>> but a lot of people do want
I I know I'm going on a separate

1200
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:48,960
I I know I'm going on a separate
 

1201
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,230
I I know I'm going on a separate
tangent. I'll stop that.

1202
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:50,240
tangent. I'll stop that.
 

1203
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,990
tangent. I'll stop that.
>> Well, I get what you're saying. People

1204
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:52,000
>> Well, I get what you're saying. People
 

1205
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,310
>> Well, I get what you're saying. People
want the spectacle more than they do

1206
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:54,320
want the spectacle more than they do
 

1207
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,909
want the spectacle more than they do
this the story.

1208
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:55,919
this the story.
 

1209
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,230
this the story.
>> I I can to I can absolutely see that for

1210
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:58,240
>> I I can to I can absolutely see that for
 

1211
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,510
>> I I can to I can absolutely see that for
sure.

1212
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:59,520
sure.
 

1213
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,750
sure.
>> I And I don't want to give into the

1214
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:01,760
>> I And I don't want to give into the
 

1215
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,710
>> I And I don't want to give into the
spectacle. Sometimes I need to sometimes

1216
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:04,720
spectacle. Sometimes I need to sometimes
 

1217
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,630
spectacle. Sometimes I need to sometimes
I'd make posts joking about the

1218
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:06,640
I'd make posts joking about the
 

1219
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,070
I'd make posts joking about the
situation because I want people's

1220
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:08,080
situation because I want people's
 

1221
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,750
situation because I want people's
attention to stay on it,

1222
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:09,760
attention to stay on it,
 

1223
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,950
attention to stay on it,
>> but I never really have the intention of

1224
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:12,960
>> but I never really have the intention of
 

1225
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,190
>> but I never really have the intention of
making it into like a parade like we're

1226
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:15,200
making it into like a parade like we're
 

1227
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,430
making it into like a parade like we're
marching through the the the community

1228
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:19,440
marching through the the the community
 

1229
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,590
marching through the the the community
cheering about how horrible this person

1230
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:21,600
cheering about how horrible this person
 

1231
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,669
cheering about how horrible this person
is. I don't want it to be like that.

1232
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:23,679
is. I don't want it to be like that.
 

1233
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:23,990
is. I don't want it to be like that.
Mhm.

1234
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:24,000
Mhm.
 

1235
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,710
Mhm.
>> I just want more people to be informed

1236
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:26,720
>> I just want more people to be informed
 

1237
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,710
>> I just want more people to be informed
and for the conversation to not end

1238
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:28,720
and for the conversation to not end
 

1239
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,909
and for the conversation to not end
until actual consequences come.

1240
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:31,919
until actual consequences come.
 

1241
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,149
until actual consequences come.
>> Right. So, let me ask you this. Was uh

1242
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:34,159
>> Right. So, let me ask you this. Was uh
 

1243
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,870
>> Right. So, let me ask you this. Was uh
cuz you were originally calling uh Black

1244
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:36,880
cuz you were originally calling uh Black
 

1245
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,909
cuz you were originally calling uh Black
Griffin out for his racism, was the

1246
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:39,919
Griffin out for his racism, was the
 

1247
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:42,310
Griffin out for his racism, was the
whole idea of him grooming Claire, was

1248
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:42,320
whole idea of him grooming Claire, was
 

1249
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,230
whole idea of him grooming Claire, was
that like a Sophie thing when you first

1250
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:44,240
that like a Sophie thing when you first
 

1251
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,390
that like a Sophie thing when you first
started talking to her and like,

1252
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:46,400
started talking to her and like,
 

1253
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,510
started talking to her and like,
>> you know, really?

1254
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:47,520
>> you know, really?
 

1255
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,110
>> you know, really?
>> No, that's the thing. I didn't even know

1256
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:49,120
>> No, that's the thing. I didn't even know
 

1257
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,590
>> No, that's the thing. I didn't even know
who Sophie was even at that point. Like

1258
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:51,600
who Sophie was even at that point. Like
 

1259
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,110
who Sophie was even at that point. Like
I said,

1260
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:53,120
I said,
 

1261
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,710
I said,
>> um, when I was calling him out on his

1262
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:54,720
>> um, when I was calling him out on his
 

1263
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,310
>> um, when I was calling him out on his
racist post in 2020, I I was aware of

1264
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:58,320
racist post in 2020, I I was aware of
 

1265
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,510
racist post in 2020, I I was aware of
him, uh, being called a groomer by

1266
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:01,520
him, uh, being called a groomer by
 

1267
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,269
him, uh, being called a groomer by
members of the fandom.

1268
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:03,279
members of the fandom.
 

1269
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:03,669
members of the fandom.
>> Mhm.

1270
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:03,679
>> Mhm.
 

1271
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:05,990
>> Mhm.
>> That wasn't related to Sophie at all.

1272
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:06,000
>> That wasn't related to Sophie at all.
 

1273
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,669
>> That wasn't related to Sophie at all.
Sorry. Is there background audio you're

1274
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:07,679
Sorry. Is there background audio you're
 

1275
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:07,990
Sorry. Is there background audio you're
hearing?

1276
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:08,000
hearing?
 

1277
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,470
hearing?
>> No, I'm I'm grabbing I'm grabbing stuff.

1278
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:10,480
>> No, I'm I'm grabbing I'm grabbing stuff.
 

1279
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,310
>> No, I'm I'm grabbing I'm grabbing stuff.
I don't know if that's just me, but I

1280
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:12,320
I don't know if that's just me, but I
 

1281
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,470
I don't know if that's just me, but I
don't.

1282
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:12,480
don't.
 

1283
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,230
don't.
>> No, no, no. I was just there's there's

1284
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:14,240
>> No, no, no. I was just there's there's
 

1285
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,750
>> No, no, no. I was just there's there's
stuff happening on my end, and I'm sorry

1286
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:15,760
stuff happening on my end, and I'm sorry
 

1287
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,870
stuff happening on my end, and I'm sorry
about that. I was just making sure I

1288
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:16,880
about that. I was just making sure I
 

1289
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,510
about that. I was just making sure I
wasn't being a good guy.

1290
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:17,520
wasn't being a good guy.
 

1291
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,029
wasn't being a good guy.
>> I don't hear anything. You're good.

1292
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:19,039
>> I don't hear anything. You're good.
 

1293
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,390
>> I don't hear anything. You're good.
>> Okay, cool. Um, so I didn't know who

1294
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:22,400
>> Okay, cool. Um, so I didn't know who
 

1295
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,470
>> Okay, cool. Um, so I didn't know who
Sophie was and she was not the only

1296
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:24,480
Sophie was and she was not the only
 

1297
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,750
Sophie was and she was not the only
person calling Griffin out. Um, so I

1298
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:27,760
person calling Griffin out. Um, so I
 

1299
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,110
person calling Griffin out. Um, so I
don't think that I even heard that from

1300
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:31,120
don't think that I even heard that from
 

1301
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,669
don't think that I even heard that from
her and I did not know who she was at

1302
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:33,679
her and I did not know who she was at
 

1303
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:34,470
her and I did not know who she was at
the time.

1304
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:34,480
the time.
 

1305
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,190
the time.
>> Gotcha.

1306
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:35,200
>> Gotcha.
 

1307
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,470
>> Gotcha.
>> Um, and then as I was as I made the

1308
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:38,480
>> Um, and then as I was as I made the
 

1309
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,230
>> Um, and then as I was as I made the
Brony Fandone account and I was calling

1310
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:40,240
Brony Fandone account and I was calling
 

1311
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,950
Brony Fandone account and I was calling
out his racist pose, I did do uh a bit

1312
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:42,960
out his racist pose, I did do uh a bit
 

1313
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,510
out his racist pose, I did do uh a bit
of research and then came to and also

1314
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:45,520
of research and then came to and also
 

1315
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,310
of research and then came to and also
Miranda Singh situation happened. So, I

1316
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:48,320
Miranda Singh situation happened. So, I
 

1317
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,870
Miranda Singh situation happened. So, I
was a lot less lenient on what is

1318
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:52,880
was a lot less lenient on what is
 

1319
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,789
was a lot less lenient on what is
appropriate with minors after learning

1320
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:56,799
appropriate with minors after learning
 

1321
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,630
appropriate with minors after learning
all the ins and outs of that.

1322
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:58,640
all the ins and outs of that.
 

1323
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,029
all the ins and outs of that.
>> Right.

1324
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:59,039
>> Right.
 

1325
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:00,549
>> Right.
>> Um,

1326
00:28:00,549 --> 00:28:00,559
>> Um,
 

1327
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,350
>> Um,
so, uh, after seeing more of what he did

1328
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:03,360
so, uh, after seeing more of what he did
 

1329
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,990
so, uh, after seeing more of what he did
with Claire and what led up to that, I I

1330
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:08,000
with Claire and what led up to that, I I
 

1331
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,549
with Claire and what led up to that, I I
learned that it wasn't okay. This was

1332
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:10,559
learned that it wasn't okay. This was
 

1333
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,950
learned that it wasn't okay. This was
all weird. It felt normal at the time

1334
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:12,960
all weird. It felt normal at the time
 

1335
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,510
all weird. It felt normal at the time
because I'd grown up seeing them like

1336
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:15,520
because I'd grown up seeing them like
 

1337
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,470
because I'd grown up seeing them like
always him with all these kids always.

1338
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:18,480
always him with all these kids always.
 

1339
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,470
always him with all these kids always.
Um, and everyone else acted like it was

1340
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:20,480
Um, and everyone else acted like it was
 

1341
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,630
Um, and everyone else acted like it was
pretty normal for the most part,

1342
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:22,640
pretty normal for the most part,
 

1343
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,029
pretty normal for the most part,
>> right?

1344
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:23,039
>> right?
 

1345
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:24,789
>> right?
>> Um,

1346
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:24,799
>> Um,
 

1347
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,750
>> Um,
but the more I looked at it and the more

1348
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:27,760
but the more I looked at it and the more
 

1349
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,830
but the more I looked at it and the more
other situations

1350
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:29,840
other situations
 

1351
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,789
other situations
similar to it happened, the more I came

1352
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:32,799
similar to it happened, the more I came
 

1353
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,909
similar to it happened, the more I came
to the conclusion that this was crazy.

1354
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:35,919
to the conclusion that this was crazy.
 

1355
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,590
to the conclusion that this was crazy.
This was this was not normal. just like

1356
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:37,600
This was this was not normal. just like
 

1357
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,630
This was this was not normal. just like
the Nazism. It felt normal in the fandom

1358
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:40,640
the Nazism. It felt normal in the fandom
 

1359
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,590
the Nazism. It felt normal in the fandom
because we were all told it was. Um, but

1360
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:43,600
because we were all told it was. Um, but
 

1361
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,510
because we were all told it was. Um, but
it really wasn't. And that led to me

1362
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:47,520
it really wasn't. And that led to me
 

1363
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,470
it really wasn't. And that led to me
calling him out on that. And then, uh,

1364
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:50,480
calling him out on that. And then, uh,
 

1365
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,990
calling him out on that. And then, uh,
more and more information being

1366
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:52,000
more and more information being
 

1367
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,230
more and more information being
gathered. And then eventually, um, other

1368
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:56,240
gathered. And then eventually, um, other
 

1369
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,990
gathered. And then eventually, um, other
people who had called him out in the

1370
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:58,000
people who had called him out in the
 

1371
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,630
people who had called him out in the
past had reached out to me and giving me

1372
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:00,640
past had reached out to me and giving me
 

1373
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,350
past had reached out to me and giving me
their support. But most of them were

1374
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:03,360
their support. But most of them were
 

1375
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,230
their support. But most of them were
still wanting to be quiet because they

1376
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:06,240
still wanting to be quiet because they
 

1377
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,070
still wanting to be quiet because they
had been harassed into silence in the

1378
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:08,080
had been harassed into silence in the
 

1379
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,590
had been harassed into silence in the
past about this stuff,

1380
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:09,600
past about this stuff,
 

1381
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,750
past about this stuff,
>> right? And I'm I'm assuming Sophie was

1382
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:11,760
>> right? And I'm I'm assuming Sophie was
 

1383
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,990
>> right? And I'm I'm assuming Sophie was
one of those people cuz she I think she

1384
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:14,000
one of those people cuz she I think she
 

1385
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,750
one of those people cuz she I think she
was the one that was calling it out like

1386
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:15,760
was the one that was calling it out like
 

1387
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,909
was the one that was calling it out like
five years before the Brony fanat was

1388
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:17,919
five years before the Brony fanat was
 

1389
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,510
five years before the Brony fanat was
even a thing.

1390
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:19,520
even a thing.
 

1391
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,669
even a thing.
>> She was one of the people. Yes, there

1392
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:21,679
>> She was one of the people. Yes, there
 

1393
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:24,549
>> She was one of the people. Yes, there
were multiple people that had previously

1394
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:24,559
were multiple people that had previously
 

1395
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,149
were multiple people that had previously
called him out on all of this um and

1396
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:28,159
called him out on all of this um and
 

1397
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:31,590
called him out on all of this um and
then went into silence about it. Um,

1398
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:31,600
then went into silence about it. Um,
 

1399
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,789
then went into silence about it. Um,
there was her the there's two other

1400
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:34,799
there was her the there's two other
 

1401
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,190
there was her the there's two other
women. I don't know their usernames

1402
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:37,200
women. I don't know their usernames
 

1403
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,909
women. I don't know their usernames
because I I don't know them personally,

1404
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:39,919
because I I don't know them personally,
 

1405
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:42,710
because I I don't know them personally,
but also they weren't like popular. They

1406
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:42,720
but also they weren't like popular. They
 

1407
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,830
but also they weren't like popular. They
were they didn't have their own bases.

1408
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:45,840
were they didn't have their own bases.
 

1409
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,669
were they didn't have their own bases.
Um, there was Wootmaster, there was Amy

1410
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:49,679
Um, there was Wootmaster, there was Amy
 

1411
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,149
Um, there was Wootmaster, there was Amy
New. Um

1412
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:52,159
New. Um
 

1413
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,630
New. Um
there were a lot of different people and

1414
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:54,640
there were a lot of different people and
 

1415
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,510
there were a lot of different people and
most of them had stopped because they

1416
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:57,520
most of them had stopped because they
 

1417
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,350
most of them had stopped because they
had gotten harassed or legally

1418
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:59,360
had gotten harassed or legally
 

1419
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,310
had gotten harassed or legally
threatened.

1420
00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:00,320
threatened.
 

1421
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,710
threatened.
>> Mhm. Um,

1422
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:02,720
>> Mhm. Um,
 

1423
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,549
>> Mhm. Um,
so when I started uh getting traction u

1424
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:08,559
so when I started uh getting traction u
 

1425
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,269
so when I started uh getting traction u
and bringing all the information

1426
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:11,279
and bringing all the information
 

1427
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,789
and bringing all the information
uh they they found it and gave me for

1428
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:14,799
uh they they found it and gave me for
 

1429
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,510
uh they they found it and gave me for
the most part silent support in DM

1430
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:17,520
the most part silent support in DM
 

1431
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,190
the most part silent support in DM
saying, "Hey, thank you for doing what

1432
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:21,200
saying, "Hey, thank you for doing what
 

1433
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,950
saying, "Hey, thank you for doing what
you're doing. I tried to do this and it

1434
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:24,960
you're doing. I tried to do this and it
 

1435
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,669
you're doing. I tried to do this and it
didn't go well for me. So, be careful,

1436
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:27,679
didn't go well for me. So, be careful,
 

1437
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,110
didn't go well for me. So, be careful,
but also uh I'm really glad that you're

1438
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:31,120
but also uh I'm really glad that you're
 

1439
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,070
but also uh I'm really glad that you're
trying. Um and Sophie was one of those.

1440
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:34,080
trying. Um and Sophie was one of those.
 

1441
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,310
trying. Um and Sophie was one of those.
I think she was um told about me by a

1442
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:38,320
I think she was um told about me by a
 

1443
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,350
I think she was um told about me by a
friend and they they tried to like

1444
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:41,360
friend and they they tried to like
 

1445
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,830
friend and they they tried to like
convince her to step in, but Sophie was

1446
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:43,840
convince her to step in, but Sophie was
 

1447
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,350
convince her to step in, but Sophie was
scared to. Mhm.

1448
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:45,360
scared to. Mhm.
 

1449
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,909
scared to. Mhm.
>> Uh so Sophie just DM'd me uh some

1450
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:47,919
>> Uh so Sophie just DM'd me uh some
 

1451
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:49,590
>> Uh so Sophie just DM'd me uh some
support but said she didn't want to get

1452
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:49,600
support but said she didn't want to get
 

1453
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,029
support but said she didn't want to get
involved which I I understood and didn't

1454
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:53,039
involved which I I understood and didn't
 

1455
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,549
involved which I I understood and didn't
try to get her involved.

1456
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:54,559
try to get her involved.
 

1457
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,310
try to get her involved.
>> Right.

1458
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:56,320
>> Right.
 

1459
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,710
>> Right.
So what was the goal in like working

1460
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:58,720
So what was the goal in like working
 

1461
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,230
So what was the goal in like working
with Sophie and eventually letting her

1462
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:00,240
with Sophie and eventually letting her
 

1463
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,149
with Sophie and eventually letting her
into the Brony uh Fandote account?

1464
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:04,159
into the Brony uh Fandote account?
 

1465
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,389
into the Brony uh Fandote account?
>> I know I keep going on long stories to

1466
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:06,399
>> I know I keep going on long stories to
 

1467
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:07,990
>> I know I keep going on long stories to
get to the answers to these questions,

1468
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:08,000
get to the answers to these questions,
 

1469
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,830
get to the answers to these questions,
but there's a lot of like information in

1470
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:09,840
but there's a lot of like information in
 

1471
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,029
but there's a lot of like information in
between that

1472
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:11,039
between that
 

1473
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:12,310
between that
>> I mean that's fine. And I mean, whatever

1474
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:12,320
>> I mean that's fine. And I mean, whatever
 

1475
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,230
>> I mean that's fine. And I mean, whatever
details I I do encourage you to give me

1476
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:14,240
details I I do encourage you to give me
 

1477
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,990
details I I do encourage you to give me
as much detail and be as open and

1478
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:16,000
as much detail and be as open and
 

1479
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,870
as much detail and be as open and
upfront as possible.

1480
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:18,880
upfront as possible.
 

1481
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,110
upfront as possible.
>> So Sophie, like I said, didn't want to

1482
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:21,120
>> So Sophie, like I said, didn't want to
 

1483
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,789
>> So Sophie, like I said, didn't want to
get involved. She was scared, too. She

1484
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:22,799
get involved. She was scared, too. She
 

1485
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,269
get involved. She was scared, too. She
had a history of getting harassed over

1486
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:25,279
had a history of getting harassed over
 

1487
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,990
had a history of getting harassed over
this situation, so she didn't want to

1488
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:28,000
this situation, so she didn't want to
 

1489
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,350
this situation, so she didn't want to
step back into that.

1490
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:29,360
step back into that.
 

1491
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,830
step back into that.
>> Mhm. Um,

1492
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:31,840
>> Mhm. Um,
 

1493
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,630
>> Mhm. Um,
and she was going to stay away up until

1494
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:36,640
and she was going to stay away up until
 

1495
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,389
and she was going to stay away up until
uh Destiny Doodles uh messaged me, gave

1496
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:40,399
uh Destiny Doodles uh messaged me, gave
 

1497
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,470
uh Destiny Doodles uh messaged me, gave
me her story,

1498
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:42,480
me her story,
 

1499
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,070
me her story,
and I asked Destiny at the time if it

1500
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:46,080
and I asked Destiny at the time if it
 

1501
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,070
and I asked Destiny at the time if it
was okay that I share her story with two

1502
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:50,080
was okay that I share her story with two
 

1503
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,110
was okay that I share her story with two
other people, um, people that I knew

1504
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:53,120
other people, um, people that I knew
 

1505
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,230
other people, um, people that I knew
would want to help, um, and see what

1506
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:58,240
would want to help, um, and see what
 

1507
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,630
would want to help, um, and see what
they could do. Um, and Destiny was okay

1508
00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:00,640
they could do. Um, and Destiny was okay
 

1509
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,070
they could do. Um, and Destiny was okay
with that. So, one of those people was

1510
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:02,080
with that. So, one of those people was
 

1511
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,630
with that. So, one of those people was
Sophie, cuz Sophie has a lot of people

1512
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:04,640
Sophie, cuz Sophie has a lot of people
 

1513
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,430
Sophie, cuz Sophie has a lot of people
that she knows. Um, and she also has a

1514
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:07,440
that she knows. Um, and she also has a
 

1515
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,029
that she knows. Um, and she also has a
lot of insight for a lot of this. So, I

1516
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:09,039
lot of insight for a lot of this. So, I
 

1517
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,310
lot of insight for a lot of this. So, I
wanted to tell her about this and try to

1518
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:12,320
wanted to tell her about this and try to
 

1519
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,549
wanted to tell her about this and try to
get her idea of what I how I should go

1520
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:14,559
get her idea of what I how I should go
 

1521
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,990
get her idea of what I how I should go
about this. Um, and everything that came

1522
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:20,000
about this. Um, and everything that came
 

1523
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,029
about this. Um, and everything that came
out uh from Destiny's story and the

1524
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:25,039
out uh from Destiny's story and the
 

1525
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,310
out uh from Destiny's story and the
reaction it got brought Sophie

1526
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:28,320
reaction it got brought Sophie
 

1527
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,630
reaction it got brought Sophie
to want to uh start publicly helping

1528
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:32,640
to want to uh start publicly helping
 

1529
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,549
to want to uh start publicly helping
with this situation again because now it

1530
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:36,559
with this situation again because now it
 

1531
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:41,190
with this situation again because now it
wasn't just Claire and Michelle who um I

1532
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:41,200
wasn't just Claire and Michelle who um I
 

1533
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,909
wasn't just Claire and Michelle who um I
I do consider them

1534
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:43,919
I do consider them
 

1535
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:46,630
I do consider them
like victims of grooming. Um, I know a

1536
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:46,640
like victims of grooming. Um, I know a
 

1537
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,070
like victims of grooming. Um, I know a
lot of people debate that, but

1538
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:50,080
lot of people debate that, but
 

1539
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,590
lot of people debate that, but
um, at the time they don't believe that.

1540
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:55,600
um, at the time they don't believe that.
 

1541
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,750
um, at the time they don't believe that.
So, fighting for that wasn't

1542
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:59,760
So, fighting for that wasn't
 

1543
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,149
So, fighting for that wasn't
it wasn't something that Sophie felt was

1544
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:02,159
it wasn't something that Sophie felt was
 

1545
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:04,789
it wasn't something that Sophie felt was
a winning battle. Um, it wasn't felt.

1546
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:04,799
a winning battle. Um, it wasn't felt.
 

1547
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,909
a winning battle. Um, it wasn't felt.
But this was different because I'm

1548
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:07,919
But this was different because I'm
 

1549
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,470
But this was different because I'm
phrasing that wrong, but Destiny

1550
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:10,480
phrasing that wrong, but Destiny
 

1551
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,110
phrasing that wrong, but Destiny
is a victim who knows she's a victim.

1552
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:13,120
is a victim who knows she's a victim.
 

1553
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,909
is a victim who knows she's a victim.
>> Mhm. And that changes things because now

1554
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:15,919
>> Mhm. And that changes things because now
 

1555
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:20,149
>> Mhm. And that changes things because now
Sophie was it was a trying to protect

1556
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:20,159
Sophie was it was a trying to protect
 

1557
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,070
Sophie was it was a trying to protect
someone who needed it, someone who

1558
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:22,080
someone who needed it, someone who
 

1559
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,110
someone who needed it, someone who
wanted it,

1560
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:23,120
wanted it,
 

1561
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,509
wanted it,
>> right?

1562
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:23,519
>> right?
 

1563
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,430
>> right?
>> Um

1564
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:25,440
>> Um
 

1565
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,190
>> Um
so she got involved and

1566
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:29,200
so she got involved and
 

1567
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,350
so she got involved and
wanted to

1568
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:31,360
wanted to
 

1569
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,549
wanted to
do what she could. Um

1570
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:34,559
do what she could. Um
 

1571
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,389
do what she could. Um
and then much later down the line uh

1572
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:38,399
and then much later down the line uh
 

1573
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:42,470
and then much later down the line uh
after the Snapchat victim came forward

1574
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:42,480
after the Snapchat victim came forward
 

1575
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,470
after the Snapchat victim came forward
and other things kept happening and uh

1576
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:46,480
and other things kept happening and uh
 

1577
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,269
and other things kept happening and uh
just a lot of

1578
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:49,279
just a lot of
 

1579
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,669
just a lot of
I also had called out uh a Nazi

1580
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:51,679
I also had called out uh a Nazi
 

1581
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:53,350
I also had called out uh a Nazi
convention

1582
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:53,360
convention
 

1583
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,630
convention
uh which they don't cut they don't call

1584
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:56,640
uh which they don't cut they don't call
 

1585
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,669
uh which they don't cut they don't call
themselves a Nazi convention but Marfair

1586
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:59,679
themselves a Nazi convention but Marfair
 

1587
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:02,870
themselves a Nazi convention but Marfair
is um consistently ly

1588
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:02,880
is um consistently ly
 

1589
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,590
is um consistently ly
uh 4chan users that also

1590
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:07,600
uh 4chan users that also
 

1591
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,190
uh 4chan users that also
um go by

1592
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:11,200
um go by
 

1593
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,950
um go by
the ter

1594
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:12,960
the ter
 

1595
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,430
the ter
I I'm sorry I keep trying to explain

1596
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:15,440
I I'm sorry I keep trying to explain
 

1597
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,790
I I'm sorry I keep trying to explain
little things

1598
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:16,800
little things
 

1599
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,190
little things
>> in this larger story but the little

1600
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:19,200
>> in this larger story but the little
 

1601
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,869
>> in this larger story but the little
things are so dense also that I keep

1602
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:22,879
things are so dense also that I keep
 

1603
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:24,790
things are so dense also that I keep
going on

1604
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:24,800
going on
 

1605
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,829
going on
anyways um I I had called out a Nazi

1606
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:27,839
anyways um I I had called out a Nazi
 

1607
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,349
anyways um I I had called out a Nazi
convention and that had led led to me

1608
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:31,359
convention and that had led led to me
 

1609
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,270
convention and that had led led to me
getting harassed by a lot of them. Uh,

1610
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:33,280
getting harassed by a lot of them. Uh,
 

1611
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,270
getting harassed by a lot of them. Uh,
ironically, them posting like horrible,

1612
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:37,280
ironically, them posting like horrible,
 

1613
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,510
ironically, them posting like horrible,
horrible imagery of like, you know,

1614
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:39,520
horrible imagery of like, you know,
 

1615
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,550
horrible imagery of like, you know,
trans people hanging themselves. And I

1616
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:42,560
trans people hanging themselves. And I
 

1617
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,270
trans people hanging themselves. And I
don't know why they were adding they're

1618
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:45,280
don't know why they were adding they're
 

1619
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,069
don't know why they were adding they're
sending that my way. I'm not trans, but

1620
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:48,079
sending that my way. I'm not trans, but
 

1621
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,349
sending that my way. I'm not trans, but
you know, the typical horrible 4chan

1622
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:51,359
you know, the typical horrible 4chan
 

1623
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:56,149
you know, the typical horrible 4chan
right-wing [\h__\h] Um, and I was get I

1624
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:56,159
right-wing [\h__\h] Um, and I was get I
 

1625
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,030
right-wing [\h__\h] Um, and I was get I
had a lot on my plate, so Sophie offered

1626
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:59,040
had a lot on my plate, so Sophie offered
 

1627
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,950
had a lot on my plate, so Sophie offered
to help. Um, and I and I trusted Sophie

1628
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:02,960
to help. Um, and I and I trusted Sophie
 

1629
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,750
to help. Um, and I and I trusted Sophie
uh after talking to her since everything

1630
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:05,760
uh after talking to her since everything
 

1631
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,589
uh after talking to her since everything
that happened with Destiny. Um, so I I

1632
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:09,599
that happened with Destiny. Um, so I I
 

1633
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,829
that happened with Destiny. Um, so I I
gave her access so that she could post

1634
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:11,839
gave her access so that she could post
 

1635
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,349
gave her access so that she could post
information

1636
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:13,359
information
 

1637
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,310
information
uh and while I just l looked away from

1638
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:16,320
uh and while I just l looked away from
 

1639
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,390
uh and while I just l looked away from
all the mentions and stuff that I had a

1640
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:18,400
all the mentions and stuff that I had a
 

1641
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,310
all the mentions and stuff that I had a
hard time uh always dealing with.

1642
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:22,320
hard time uh always dealing with.
 

1643
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,349
hard time uh always dealing with.
>> Gotcha. So was the Snapchat victim did

1644
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:25,359
>> Gotcha. So was the Snapchat victim did
 

1645
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:26,790
>> Gotcha. So was the Snapchat victim did
they come forward the same way that

1646
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:26,800
they come forward the same way that
 

1647
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,190
they come forward the same way that
Destiny did? just like uh DM you or

1648
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:29,200
Destiny did? just like uh DM you or
 

1649
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,790
Destiny did? just like uh DM you or
something like that?

1650
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:30,800
something like that?
 

1651
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,510
something like that?
>> Yes.

1652
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:31,520
>> Yes.
 

1653
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,630
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Uh do you uh what's your current

1654
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:34,640
>> Okay. Uh do you uh what's your current
 

1655
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,470
>> Okay. Uh do you uh what's your current
relationship with those two, Destiny and

1656
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:36,480
relationship with those two, Destiny and
 

1657
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,910
relationship with those two, Destiny and
the Snapchat victim? Like are you guys

1658
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:37,920
the Snapchat victim? Like are you guys
 

1659
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,910
the Snapchat victim? Like are you guys
still in contact? Um yes.

1660
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:39,920
still in contact? Um yes.
 

1661
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,190
still in contact? Um yes.
>> Have they been paying attention to any

1662
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:41,200
>> Have they been paying attention to any
 

1663
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,670
>> Have they been paying attention to any
of this stuff recently?

1664
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:43,680
of this stuff recently?
 

1665
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,030
of this stuff recently?
>> They don't really have um a choice. Uh,

1666
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:47,040
>> They don't really have um a choice. Uh,
 

1667
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,550
>> They don't really have um a choice. Uh,
I mean, Destiny doesn't the Snapchat

1668
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:50,560
I mean, Destiny doesn't the Snapchat
 

1669
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,550
I mean, Destiny doesn't the Snapchat
victim is still anonymous, but she I

1670
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:54,560
victim is still anonymous, but she I
 

1671
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,069
victim is still anonymous, but she I
don't feel like she has a choice in a

1672
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:56,079
don't feel like she has a choice in a
 

1673
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,990
don't feel like she has a choice in a
different way where

1674
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:58,000
different way where
 

1675
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,510
different way where
I it affects her greatly. Um, everything

1676
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:01,520
I it affects her greatly. Um, everything
 

1677
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,349
I it affects her greatly. Um, everything
being said about everything, people

1678
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:03,359
being said about everything, people
 

1679
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:05,670
being said about everything, people
dismissing the whole situation,

1680
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:05,680
dismissing the whole situation,
 

1681
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,150
dismissing the whole situation,
>> right?

1682
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:06,160
>> right?
 

1683
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,190
>> right?
>> She's very emotionally tied to it and it

1684
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:09,200
>> She's very emotionally tied to it and it
 

1685
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,670
>> She's very emotionally tied to it and it
hurts when things um

1686
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:13,680
hurts when things um
 

1687
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,870
hurts when things um
go poorly,

1688
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:14,880
go poorly,
 

1689
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,670
go poorly,
>> right? and she and she wants some kind

1690
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:17,680
>> right? and she and she wants some kind
 

1691
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,109
>> right? and she and she wants some kind
of closure with all this too. Um,

1692
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:21,119
of closure with all this too. Um,
 

1693
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,829
of closure with all this too. Um,
so they they are both very aware of

1694
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:23,839
so they they are both very aware of
 

1695
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:26,790
so they they are both very aware of
everything. Uh, and it and it affects

1696
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:26,800
everything. Uh, and it and it affects
 

1697
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,870
everything. Uh, and it and it affects
them. So I wish people would have a

1698
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:28,880
them. So I wish people would have a
 

1699
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,950
them. So I wish people would have a
little bit more tact when it came to

1700
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:30,960
little bit more tact when it came to
 

1701
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,630
little bit more tact when it came to
reacting to things because

1702
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:32,640
reacting to things because
 

1703
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,150
reacting to things because
>> Yeah.

1704
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:34,160
>> Yeah.
 

1705
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,030
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1706
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:35,040
>> Yeah.
 

1707
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,030
>> Yeah.
>> No, I I completely agree and I hope

1708
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:37,040
>> No, I I completely agree and I hope
 

1709
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,030
>> No, I I completely agree and I hope
nothing but the best and everything. Uh

1710
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:39,040
nothing but the best and everything. Uh
 

1711
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,470
nothing but the best and everything. Uh
it's just kind of complicated with a

1712
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:40,480
it's just kind of complicated with a
 

1713
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,230
it's just kind of complicated with a
situation like Destiny's because Destiny

1714
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:42,240
situation like Destiny's because Destiny
 

1715
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,750
situation like Destiny's because Destiny
didn't really archive much of her

1716
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:43,760
didn't really archive much of her
 

1717
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,990
didn't really archive much of her
experiences with Black Griffin. So

1718
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:46,000
experiences with Black Griffin. So
 

1719
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,510
experiences with Black Griffin. So
that's something you kind of have to

1720
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:47,520
that's something you kind of have to
 

1721
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,430
that's something you kind of have to
take on face value. And that this is

1722
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:49,440
take on face value. And that this is
 

1723
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,190
take on face value. And that this is
something I had to unlearn even when I

1724
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:51,200
something I had to unlearn even when I
 

1725
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,790
something I had to unlearn even when I
was speaking to other people. Right?

1726
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:52,800
was speaking to other people. Right?
 

1727
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,310
was speaking to other people. Right?
When someone says there's no evidence

1728
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:54,320
When someone says there's no evidence
 

1729
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,390
When someone says there's no evidence
for this, that's not to necessarily say

1730
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:56,400
for this, that's not to necessarily say
 

1731
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,870
for this, that's not to necessarily say
they're lying. It's just the fact of the

1732
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:58,880
they're lying. It's just the fact of the
 

1733
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,990
they're lying. It's just the fact of the
matter is that they don't have anything

1734
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:00,000
matter is that they don't have anything
 

1735
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,589
matter is that they don't have anything
to present. That doesn't mean they're

1736
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:01,599
to present. That doesn't mean they're
 

1737
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,190
to present. That doesn't mean they're
not telling the truth. It just means

1738
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:03,200
not telling the truth. It just means
 

1739
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,430
not telling the truth. It just means
that like that evidence would have been

1740
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:05,440
that like that evidence would have been
 

1741
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,589
that like that evidence would have been
nice to have kind of thing. Um,

1742
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:07,599
nice to have kind of thing. Um,
 

1743
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,430
nice to have kind of thing. Um,
>> no, absolutely. I mean, I don't think

1744
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:09,440
>> no, absolutely. I mean, I don't think
 

1745
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,670
>> no, absolutely. I mean, I don't think
anyone here wants there to be less

1746
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:11,680
anyone here wants there to be less
 

1747
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,630
anyone here wants there to be less
evidence aside from if someone is guilty

1748
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:14,640
evidence aside from if someone is guilty
 

1749
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,109
evidence aside from if someone is guilty
>> for sure.

1750
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:15,119
>> for sure.
 

1751
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:20,870
>> for sure.
>> Um, so we I I have no reason to doubt

1752
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:20,880
>> Um, so we I I have no reason to doubt
 

1753
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,550
>> Um, so we I I have no reason to doubt
Destiny. I've before I even posted

1754
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:24,560
Destiny. I've before I even posted
 

1755
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,470
Destiny. I've before I even posted
anything, I looked into her accounts,

1756
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:28,480
anything, I looked into her accounts,
 

1757
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,470
anything, I looked into her accounts,
her history,

1758
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:30,480
her history,
 

1759
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,829
her history,
uh, and there she doesn't have like a

1760
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:33,839
uh, and there she doesn't have like a
 

1761
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:37,109
uh, and there she doesn't have like a
reputation of making things up. She has

1762
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:37,119
reputation of making things up. She has
 

1763
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,550
reputation of making things up. She has
her own u semif fan base that would be a

1764
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:42,560
her own u semif fan base that would be a
 

1765
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,470
her own u semif fan base that would be a
problem if she were to lose. The getting

1766
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:44,480
problem if she were to lose. The getting
 

1767
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,710
problem if she were to lose. The getting
into all this isn't really something

1768
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:46,720
into all this isn't really something
 

1769
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,950
into all this isn't really something
that helps her. It's just something that

1770
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:48,960
that helps her. It's just something that
 

1771
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,829
that helps her. It's just something that
could harm her if people were to dismiss

1772
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:51,839
could harm her if people were to dismiss
 

1773
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,310
could harm her if people were to dismiss
it all. Um

1774
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:54,320
it all. Um
 

1775
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,990
it all. Um
so

1776
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:56,000
so
 

1777
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,950
so
um there and it also lined up. There is

1778
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:58,960
um there and it also lined up. There is
 

1779
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,790
um there and it also lined up. There is
not really some anything that goes

1780
00:38:00,790 --> 00:38:00,800
not really some anything that goes
 

1781
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,990
not really some anything that goes
against what she was claiming. I know

1782
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:04,000
against what she was claiming. I know
 

1783
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,510
against what she was claiming. I know
people

1784
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:05,520
people
 

1785
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,589
people
pose the fact that she um she got the

1786
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:09,599
pose the fact that she um she got the
 

1787
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,310
pose the fact that she um she got the
dates not exactly right when giving a

1788
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:12,320
dates not exactly right when giving a
 

1789
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,589
dates not exactly right when giving a
quick testimony to me in DMs

1790
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:15,599
quick testimony to me in DMs
 

1791
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,150
quick testimony to me in DMs
>> um as proof that she is lying,

1792
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:20,160
>> um as proof that she is lying,
 

1793
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,910
>> um as proof that she is lying,
but

1794
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:21,920
but
 

1795
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,349
but
it's not I'm like it is an accident and

1796
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:25,359
it's not I'm like it is an accident and
 

1797
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,510
it's not I'm like it is an accident and
that happens and it it's unfortunate

1798
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:27,520
that happens and it it's unfortunate
 

1799
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,550
that happens and it it's unfortunate
that it wasn't airtight

1800
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:30,560
that it wasn't airtight
 

1801
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,630
that it wasn't airtight
but

1802
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:32,640
but
 

1803
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,910
but
it There's there's no reason to doubt

1804
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:35,920
it There's there's no reason to doubt
 

1805
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,150
it There's there's no reason to doubt
that it was an accident. There is no

1806
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:38,160
that it was an accident. There is no
 

1807
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,750
that it was an accident. There is no
like big slip up.

1808
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:41,760
like big slip up.
 

1809
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,589
like big slip up.
It's it's just people want to give her

1810
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:45,599
It's it's just people want to give her
 

1811
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,150
It's it's just people want to give her
they don't want to give her that b they

1812
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:48,160
they don't want to give her that b they
 

1813
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,310
they don't want to give her that b they
don't want to trust that they want to

1814
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:50,320
don't want to trust that they want to
 

1815
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,190
don't want to trust that they want to
find a reason to get out of this.

1816
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:53,200
find a reason to get out of this.
 

1817
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,270
find a reason to get out of this.
>> Right.

1818
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:55,280
>> Right.
 

1819
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,430
>> Right.
Uh was like Destiny ever like close

1820
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:57,440
Uh was like Destiny ever like close
 

1821
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,270
Uh was like Destiny ever like close
friends or anything to Sophie shrugs? I

1822
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:59,280
friends or anything to Sophie shrugs? I
 

1823
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,310
friends or anything to Sophie shrugs? I
thought I saw a tweet maybe her saying

1824
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:02,320
thought I saw a tweet maybe her saying
 

1825
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,310
thought I saw a tweet maybe her saying
that like she at least knows Destiny

1826
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:04,320
that like she at least knows Destiny
 

1827
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,950
that like she at least knows Destiny
pretty well, but I maybe that's her

1828
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,960
pretty well, but I maybe that's her
 

1829
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,470
pretty well, but I maybe that's her
>> Sophie

1830
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:10,480
>> Sophie
 

1831
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,190
>> Sophie
didn't nec I don't think Sophie knew New

1832
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:13,200
didn't nec I don't think Sophie knew New
 

1833
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,150
didn't nec I don't think Sophie knew New
Destiny.

1834
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:14,160
Destiny.
 

1835
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,630
Destiny.
>> Mhm.

1836
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:14,640
>> Mhm.
 

1837
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,950
>> Mhm.
>> Um I I can't really speak on that too

1838
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:16,960
>> Um I I can't really speak on that too
 

1839
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,829
>> Um I I can't really speak on that too
much. I don't really know their personal

1840
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:19,839
much. I don't really know their personal
 

1841
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:22,230
much. I don't really know their personal
status on this, but I I from what I

1842
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:22,240
status on this, but I I from what I
 

1843
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,390
status on this, but I I from what I
understand, Sophie was aware of Destiny

1844
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:26,400
understand, Sophie was aware of Destiny
 

1845
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,750
understand, Sophie was aware of Destiny
because Destiny was someone that

1846
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:27,760
because Destiny was someone that
 

1847
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,550
because Destiny was someone that
followed Sophie and um responded to a

1848
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:30,560
followed Sophie and um responded to a
 

1849
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,310
followed Sophie and um responded to a
few of her posts in the past.

1850
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:32,320
few of her posts in the past.
 

1851
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,710
few of her posts in the past.
>> Okay.

1852
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:32,720
>> Okay.
 

1853
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,390
>> Okay.
>> But this was before Sophie was even

1854
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:34,400
>> But this was before Sophie was even
 

1855
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,670
>> But this was before Sophie was even
involved publicly,

1856
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:35,680
involved publicly,
 

1857
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,069
involved publicly,
>> right?

1858
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:36,079
>> right?
 

1859
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,870
>> right?
>> So, while Destiny knew who Sophie was a

1860
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:38,880
>> So, while Destiny knew who Sophie was a
 

1861
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,550
>> So, while Destiny knew who Sophie was a
lot more than Sophie knew who Destiny

1862
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:40,560
lot more than Sophie knew who Destiny
 

1863
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,190
lot more than Sophie knew who Destiny
was, Destiny coming forward had nothing

1864
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:43,200
was, Destiny coming forward had nothing
 

1865
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,430
was, Destiny coming forward had nothing
to do with Sophie. Destiny had no way of

1866
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:45,440
to do with Sophie. Destiny had no way of
 

1867
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,829
to do with Sophie. Destiny had no way of
even knowing that Sophie was involved at

1868
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:47,839
even knowing that Sophie was involved at
 

1869
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:48,630
even knowing that Sophie was involved at
this time.

1870
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:48,640
this time.
 

1871
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,950
this time.
>> Gotcha. Okay.

1872
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:50,960
>> Gotcha. Okay.
 

1873
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,870
>> Gotcha. Okay.
All right. That's why I I just thought

1874
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:52,880
All right. That's why I I just thought
 

1875
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,630
All right. That's why I I just thought
that like I don't know how close

1876
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:54,640
that like I don't know how close
 

1877
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,670
that like I don't know how close
everybody is to each other, but that's

1878
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:57,680
everybody is to each other, but that's
 

1879
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,910
everybody is to each other, but that's
what I was just curious about like, you

1880
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:59,920
what I was just curious about like, you
 

1881
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,990
what I was just curious about like, you
know, the closeness in relation to how

1882
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:02,000
know, the closeness in relation to how
 

1883
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,310
know, the closeness in relation to how
you you and Sophie are to everybody else

1884
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:04,320
you you and Sophie are to everybody else
 

1885
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,470
you you and Sophie are to everybody else
kind of thing.

1886
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:06,480
kind of thing.
 

1887
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,550
kind of thing.
>> Yeah, we

1888
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:08,560
>> Yeah, we
 

1889
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,990
>> Yeah, we
because of everything that's happened,

1890
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:10,000
because of everything that's happened,
 

1891
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,470
because of everything that's happened,
we all do talk. Um, but before then,

1892
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:14,480
we all do talk. Um, but before then,
 

1893
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,950
we all do talk. Um, but before then,
before all of this, I had not talked to

1894
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:16,960
before all of this, I had not talked to
 

1895
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,069
before all of this, I had not talked to
any of them.

1896
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:18,079
any of them.
 

1897
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:19,750
any of them.
>> Gotcha.

1898
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:19,760
>> Gotcha.
 

1899
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,150
>> Gotcha.
Uh, so when it came to the actual

1900
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:22,160
Uh, so when it came to the actual
 

1901
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,790
Uh, so when it came to the actual
document that I pulled a copy of, um,

1902
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:24,800
document that I pulled a copy of, um,
 

1903
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,550
document that I pulled a copy of, um,
the I don't know how many pages are in

1904
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:26,560
the I don't know how many pages are in
 

1905
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,030
the I don't know how many pages are in
it now, um, I want to say it's like 200

1906
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:29,040
it now, um, I want to say it's like 200
 

1907
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,790
it now, um, I want to say it's like 200
or 300 pages cuz I know things have been

1908
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:30,800
or 300 pages cuz I know things have been
 

1909
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,230
or 300 pages cuz I know things have been
added over time.

1910
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:32,240
added over time.
 

1911
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:32,710
added over time.
>> Um,

1912
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:32,720
>> Um,
 

1913
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,190
>> Um,
>> even as recently as um, I believe this

1914
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:35,200
>> even as recently as um, I believe this
 

1915
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,030
>> even as recently as um, I believe this
month, things have been added.

1916
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:37,040
month, things have been added.
 

1917
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,069
month, things have been added.
>> Yeah. Um, did you have anything to do

1918
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:40,079
>> Yeah. Um, did you have anything to do
 

1919
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,630
>> Yeah. Um, did you have anything to do
with that document's creation at all? Or

1920
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:42,640
with that document's creation at all? Or
 

1921
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,190
with that document's creation at all? Or
do you know who had created the document

1922
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:45,200
do you know who had created the document
 

1923
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,190
do you know who had created the document
if it's not you?

1924
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:47,200
if it's not you?
 

1925
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,310
if it's not you?
>> It is not me. I obviously a lot of the

1926
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:50,320
>> It is not me. I obviously a lot of the
 

1927
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,069
>> It is not me. I obviously a lot of the
information that I had already found was

1928
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:54,079
information that I had already found was
 

1929
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,990
information that I had already found was
used in the document because it's

1930
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:56,000
used in the document because it's
 

1931
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,190
used in the document because it's
information.

1932
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:57,200
information.
 

1933
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,870
information.
>> Um, but the person who made it found

1934
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:00,880
>> Um, but the person who made it found
 

1935
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,430
>> Um, but the person who made it found
citations that I did not have for a lot

1936
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:03,440
citations that I did not have for a lot
 

1937
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,309
citations that I did not have for a lot
of it. Um, they they went out of their

1938
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:06,319
of it. Um, they they went out of their
 

1939
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:09,829
of it. Um, they they went out of their
way to find the original posts that I

1940
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:09,839
way to find the original posts that I
 

1941
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:12,950
way to find the original posts that I
had previously only had screenshots of.

1942
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:12,960
had previously only had screenshots of.
 

1943
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,910
had previously only had screenshots of.
Uh, they found extra content, more

1944
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:15,920
Uh, they found extra content, more
 

1945
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,630
Uh, they found extra content, more
videos of things, even things that were

1946
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:18,640
videos of things, even things that were
 

1947
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,349
videos of things, even things that were
lost. um because they used the internet

1948
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:21,359
lost. um because they used the internet
 

1949
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:23,990
lost. um because they used the internet
archive uh sorry the the way back

1950
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:24,000
archive uh sorry the the way back
 

1951
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,790
archive uh sorry the the way back
machine and another similar service to

1952
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:26,800
machine and another similar service to
 

1953
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,589
machine and another similar service to
find videos that had been deleted on

1954
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:29,599
find videos that had been deleted on
 

1955
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,510
find videos that had been deleted on
either uh Griffin's or Michelle's or

1956
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:33,520
either uh Griffin's or Michelle's or
 

1957
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,470
either uh Griffin's or Michelle's or
Claire's end um that

1958
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:36,480
Claire's end um that
 

1959
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,230
Claire's end um that
I believe were deleted because they are

1960
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:38,240
I believe were deleted because they are
 

1961
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,349
I believe were deleted because they are
also damning.

1962
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:39,359
also damning.
 

1963
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:42,150
also damning.
>> Gotcha. So you you just shared it really

1964
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:42,160
>> Gotcha. So you you just shared it really
 

1965
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,790
>> Gotcha. So you you just shared it really
you didn't have any like you didn't like

1966
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:44,800
you didn't have any like you didn't like
 

1967
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,390
you didn't have any like you didn't like
contribute to it. You're not like one of

1968
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:46,400
contribute to it. You're not like one of
 

1969
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,030
contribute to it. You're not like one of
the authors or anything. There is only

1970
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:49,040
the authors or anything. There is only
 

1971
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,550
the authors or anything. There is only
one author and it is the the person who

1972
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:52,560
one author and it is the the person who
 

1973
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,030
one author and it is the the person who
has access to the editing of the doc. I

1974
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:55,040
has access to the editing of the doc. I
 

1975
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,670
has access to the editing of the doc. I
can't edit the doc. Sophie can't edit

1976
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:57,680
can't edit the doc. Sophie can't edit
 

1977
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,790
can't edit the doc. Sophie can't edit
the doc. The person who made it, she's

1978
00:42:00,790 --> 00:42:00,800
the doc. The person who made it, she's
 

1979
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,870
the doc. The person who made it, she's
the only one who's able to access it.

1980
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:02,880
the only one who's able to access it.
 

1981
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,829
the only one who's able to access it.
And it's no one that anyone

1982
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:05,839
And it's no one that anyone
 

1983
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,829
And it's no one that anyone
is going to guess because it's not

1984
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:07,839
is going to guess because it's not
 

1985
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,829
is going to guess because it's not
someone with

1986
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:09,839
someone with
 

1987
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,069
someone with
a lot of stake. It's not someone who's

1988
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:12,079
a lot of stake. It's not someone who's
 

1989
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,230
a lot of stake. It's not someone who's
been very present publicly on any of

1990
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:14,240
been very present publicly on any of
 

1991
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:14,870
been very present publicly on any of
this.

1992
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:14,880
this.
 

1993
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,430
this.
>> Okay. Um,

1994
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:17,440
>> Okay. Um,
 

1995
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,550
>> Okay. Um,
and Claire had a guess as to who it was

1996
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:20,560
and Claire had a guess as to who it was
 

1997
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,589
and Claire had a guess as to who it was
and she that she posted under Jenny

1998
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:23,599
and she that she posted under Jenny
 

1999
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,470
and she that she posted under Jenny
Nicholson's posts and that person is not

2000
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:26,480
Nicholson's posts and that person is not
 

2001
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,910
Nicholson's posts and that person is not
who the author is.

2002
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:27,920
who the author is.
 

2003
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,670
who the author is.
>> Gotcha.

2004
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:29,680
>> Gotcha.
 

2005
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,349
>> Gotcha.
Let's talk about Michelle and Claire for

2006
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:31,359
Let's talk about Michelle and Claire for
 

2007
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:33,750
Let's talk about Michelle and Claire for
a second since you know they are related

2008
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:33,760
a second since you know they are related
 

2009
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,630
a second since you know they are related
to all this. Uh, you've had a lot of

2010
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:36,640
to all this. Uh, you've had a lot of
 

2011
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,309
to all this. Uh, you've had a lot of
online interactions with Michelle and

2012
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:38,319
online interactions with Michelle and
 

2013
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:41,670
online interactions with Michelle and
Claire. Um,

2014
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:41,680
Claire. Um,
 

2015
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,150
Claire. Um,
what are your motivations in, you know,

2016
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:44,160
what are your motivations in, you know,
 

2017
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,069
what are your motivations in, you know,
talking to them and like going back and

2018
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:46,079
talking to them and like going back and
 

2019
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,109
talking to them and like going back and
forth with them online?

2020
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:49,119
forth with them online?
 

2021
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,870
forth with them online?
>> Um, I tried to not honestly. Uh,

2022
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:52,880
>> Um, I tried to not honestly. Uh,
 

2023
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,150
>> Um, I tried to not honestly. Uh,
originally I was only presenting

2024
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:56,160
originally I was only presenting
 

2025
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,750
originally I was only presenting
information about Black Griffin to the

2026
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:59,760
information about Black Griffin to the
 

2027
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,069
information about Black Griffin to the
public. Um, and and that's what how I

2028
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:04,079
public. Um, and and that's what how I
 

2029
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,069
public. Um, and and that's what how I
ran Brony Fando. And before that, I um I

2030
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:08,079
ran Brony Fando. And before that, I um I
 

2031
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:10,870
ran Brony Fando. And before that, I um I
tried to get people in Gabriel's

2032
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:10,880
tried to get people in Gabriel's
 

2033
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,670
tried to get people in Gabriel's
proximity to know what he did on my main

2034
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:13,680
proximity to know what he did on my main
 

2035
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,349
proximity to know what he did on my main
account, which led to me responding to

2036
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:17,359
account, which led to me responding to
 

2037
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:20,390
account, which led to me responding to
Saber Spark talking about Gabriel Brown

2038
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:20,400
Saber Spark talking about Gabriel Brown
 

2039
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,550
Saber Spark talking about Gabriel Brown
uh getting a copyright strike.

2040
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:22,560
uh getting a copyright strike.
 

2041
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,030
uh getting a copyright strike.
>> Mhm.

2042
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:23,040
>> Mhm.
 

2043
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,390
>> Mhm.
>> Or something. There's there's some

2044
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:24,400
>> Or something. There's there's some
 

2045
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,470
>> Or something. There's there's some
YouTube dispute uh that he was trying to

2046
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:26,480
YouTube dispute uh that he was trying to
 

2047
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,710
YouTube dispute uh that he was trying to
fix. And I said, "All right, so Gabriel

2048
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:28,720
fix. And I said, "All right, so Gabriel
 

2049
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,630
fix. And I said, "All right, so Gabriel
Brown was innocent in this situation,

2050
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:30,640
Brown was innocent in this situation,
 

2051
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,470
Brown was innocent in this situation,
but he's not innocent overall." and

2052
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:32,480
but he's not innocent overall." and
 

2053
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,309
but he's not innocent overall." and
Saber Spark was like, "Yeah, I forgot he

2054
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:34,319
Saber Spark was like, "Yeah, I forgot he
 

2055
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:35,829
Saber Spark was like, "Yeah, I forgot he
ran over the kids, those kids or

2056
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:35,839
ran over the kids, those kids or
 

2057
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,750
ran over the kids, those kids or
something something to that extent,

2058
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:37,760
something something to that extent,
 

2059
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,910
something something to that extent,
which spiraled into me talking about

2060
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:39,920
which spiraled into me talking about
 

2061
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,069
which spiraled into me talking about
everything that he's done." Which then

2062
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:42,079
everything that he's done." Which then
 

2063
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,069
everything that he's done." Which then
spiral to Claire making that joke about

2064
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:44,079
spiral to Claire making that joke about
 

2065
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,390
spiral to Claire making that joke about
wanting to be groomed. Um, that was all

2066
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:46,400
wanting to be groomed. Um, that was all
 

2067
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,750
wanting to be groomed. Um, that was all
the same instance. Uh, but I but that

2068
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:49,760
the same instance. Uh, but I but that
 

2069
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,750
the same instance. Uh, but I but that
was a situation where I was still trying

2070
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:51,760
was a situation where I was still trying
 

2071
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,550
was a situation where I was still trying
to get the word out and then on Brony

2072
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:54,560
to get the word out and then on Brony
 

2073
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,150
to get the word out and then on Brony
Fandone, it was me presenting

2074
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:56,160
Fandone, it was me presenting
 

2075
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,750
Fandone, it was me presenting
information and then I would get

2076
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:57,760
information and then I would get
 

2077
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,510
information and then I would get
responses from either Gabriel or

2078
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:01,520
responses from either Gabriel or
 

2079
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,430
responses from either Gabriel or
Michelle or Claire that I would respond

2080
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:03,440
Michelle or Claire that I would respond
 

2081
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,750
Michelle or Claire that I would respond
to. I never went out of my way to talk

2082
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:05,760
to. I never went out of my way to talk
 

2083
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,030
to. I never went out of my way to talk
to them.

2084
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:07,040
to them.
 

2085
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,790
to them.
>> Um,

2086
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:08,800
>> Um,
 

2087
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,870
>> Um,
the only time I've ever done that was

2088
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:10,880
the only time I've ever done that was
 

2089
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,910
the only time I've ever done that was
after Destiny told me her story. I I

2090
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:15,920
after Destiny told me her story. I I
 

2091
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,069
after Destiny told me her story. I I
posted on Claire's

2092
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:20,079
posted on Claire's
 

2093
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,150
posted on Claire's
uh website about her projects or

2094
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:22,160
uh website about her projects or
 

2095
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,750
uh website about her projects or
something. Uh I I tried to get her to

2096
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:25,760
something. Uh I I tried to get her to
 

2097
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,790
something. Uh I I tried to get her to
tell uh Gabriel that I know about uh the

2098
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:30,800
tell uh Gabriel that I know about uh the
 

2099
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,870
tell uh Gabriel that I know about uh the
Destiny situation to try to get him to

2100
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:32,880
Destiny situation to try to get him to
 

2101
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,390
Destiny situation to try to get him to
talk to me.

2102
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:34,400
talk to me.
 

2103
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,069
talk to me.
>> Um and that is the only time I've

2104
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:36,079
>> Um and that is the only time I've
 

2105
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:37,990
>> Um and that is the only time I've
personally reached out to Claire. Every

2106
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:38,000
personally reached out to Claire. Every
 

2107
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,309
personally reached out to Claire. Every
other time I've been responding to her,

2108
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:40,319
other time I've been responding to her,
 

2109
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:42,870
other time I've been responding to her,
>> right? Um, I I know she claims that I

2110
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:42,880
>> right? Um, I I know she claims that I
 

2111
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,349
>> right? Um, I I know she claims that I
have been harassing her,

2112
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:45,359
have been harassing her,
 

2113
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:47,589
have been harassing her,
>> but that is genuinely the only time I've

2114
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:47,599
>> but that is genuinely the only time I've
 

2115
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,150
>> but that is genuinely the only time I've
ever gone out of my way to talk to her.

2116
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:50,160
ever gone out of my way to talk to her.
 

2117
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,829
ever gone out of my way to talk to her.
Every other time I've just been

2118
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:51,839
Every other time I've just been
 

2119
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,270
Every other time I've just been
responding,

2120
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:53,280
responding,
 

2121
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,150
responding,
>> right? Uh, I mean, I don't know if you

2122
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:56,160
>> right? Uh, I mean, I don't know if you
 

2123
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,150
>> right? Uh, I mean, I don't know if you
want to m maintain like any sort of

2124
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:58,160
want to m maintain like any sort of
 

2125
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,630
want to m maintain like any sort of
relationship with Michelle or Claire.

2126
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:00,640
relationship with Michelle or Claire.
 

2127
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,750
relationship with Michelle or Claire.
Um, but I mean, and even I've had this

2128
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:03,760
Um, but I mean, and even I've had this
 

2129
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,430
Um, but I mean, and even I've had this
criticism of you. I mean, you do

2130
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:05,440
criticism of you. I mean, you do
 

2131
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,950
criticism of you. I mean, you do
understand that like trying to fight

2132
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:06,960
understand that like trying to fight
 

2133
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,510
understand that like trying to fight
with people who are cuz they they claim

2134
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:09,520
with people who are cuz they they claim
 

2135
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,430
with people who are cuz they they claim
they're not groomed. Do you understand

2136
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:11,440
they're not groomed. Do you understand
 

2137
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,950
they're not groomed. Do you understand
that like fighting with people and

2138
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:12,960
that like fighting with people and
 

2139
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,790
that like fighting with people and
trying to convince them that they are

2140
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:14,800
trying to convince them that they are
 

2141
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,589
trying to convince them that they are
isn't exactly super helpful? I mean, I

2142
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:17,599
isn't exactly super helpful? I mean, I
 

2143
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,589
isn't exactly super helpful? I mean, I
understand you have your opinion. I get

2144
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:19,599
understand you have your opinion. I get
 

2145
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,589
understand you have your opinion. I get
it. I understand wanting to try to prove

2146
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:21,599
it. I understand wanting to try to prove
 

2147
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,309
it. I understand wanting to try to prove
your opinion and prove it to be true,

2148
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:24,319
your opinion and prove it to be true,
 

2149
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,470
your opinion and prove it to be true,
but don't I think it would just be more

2150
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:26,480
but don't I think it would just be more
 

2151
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,470
but don't I think it would just be more
helpful to Destiny and the Snapchat

2152
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:28,480
helpful to Destiny and the Snapchat
 

2153
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,270
helpful to Destiny and the Snapchat
victim who do

2154
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:31,280
victim who do
 

2155
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,270
victim who do
acknowledge that they have been groomed

2156
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:33,280
acknowledge that they have been groomed
 

2157
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,670
acknowledge that they have been groomed
and help them over fighting with two

2158
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:35,680
and help them over fighting with two
 

2159
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,510
and help them over fighting with two
other people who are very adamant that

2160
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:37,520
other people who are very adamant that
 

2161
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,430
other people who are very adamant that
they're not.

2162
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:39,440
they're not.
 

2163
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,950
they're not.
>> I just don't believe I've done that. I

2164
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:42,960
>> I just don't believe I've done that. I
 

2165
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,710
>> I just don't believe I've done that. I
don't believe I have been trying to

2166
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:44,720
don't believe I have been trying to
 

2167
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:49,990
don't believe I have been trying to
fight Michelle and Claire in in really

2168
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:50,000
fight Michelle and Claire in in really
 

2169
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,270
fight Michelle and Claire in in really
any way. Um, like I said, I've only ever

2170
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:53,280
any way. Um, like I said, I've only ever
 

2171
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,630
any way. Um, like I said, I've only ever
responded to Claire mainly when she's

2172
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:56,640
responded to Claire mainly when she's
 

2173
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,750
responded to Claire mainly when she's
talked to me.

2174
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:57,760
talked to me.
 

2175
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,150
talked to me.
>> Mhm.

2176
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:58,160
>> Mhm.
 

2177
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,390
>> Mhm.
>> Um, and in that I have debated with her

2178
00:46:00,390 --> 00:46:00,400
>> Um, and in that I have debated with her
 

2179
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,270
>> Um, and in that I have debated with her
about things. Um, which I've tried to be

2180
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:03,280
about things. Um, which I've tried to be
 

2181
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,670
about things. Um, which I've tried to be
civil initially. Um, and then she

2182
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:07,680
civil initially. Um, and then she
 

2183
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,150
civil initially. Um, and then she
accepted and my personal information

2184
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:10,160
accepted and my personal information
 

2185
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,349
accepted and my personal information
from some anonymous docer. Uh, she's um,

2186
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:15,359
from some anonymous docer. Uh, she's um,
 

2187
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:18,550
from some anonymous docer. Uh, she's um,
uh, gone into my backlog and tried to

2188
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:18,560
uh, gone into my backlog and tried to
 

2189
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,510
uh, gone into my backlog and tried to
accuse me of some horrible [\h__\h] that

2190
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:21,520
accuse me of some horrible [\h__\h] that
 

2191
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,390
accuse me of some horrible [\h__\h] that
wasn't entirely accurate. She's tried to

2192
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:24,400
wasn't entirely accurate. She's tried to
 

2193
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,109
wasn't entirely accurate. She's tried to
use grooming, my my potential grooming

2194
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:27,119
use grooming, my my potential grooming
 

2195
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:28,790
use grooming, my my potential grooming
against me. There's there's been a whole

2196
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:28,800
against me. There's there's been a whole
 

2197
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,630
against me. There's there's been a whole
lot of

2198
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:30,640
lot of
 

2199
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,950
lot of
things that made it a lot more personal

2200
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,960
things that made it a lot more personal
 

2201
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,950
things that made it a lot more personal
over this time, but

2202
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,960
over this time, but
 

2203
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,550
over this time, but
um I only ever tried to

2204
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:40,560
um I only ever tried to
 

2205
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,829
um I only ever tried to
clarify what is and isn't appropriate

2206
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:43,839
clarify what is and isn't appropriate
 

2207
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:48,630
clarify what is and isn't appropriate
that happened. And I believe that

2208
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:48,640
that happened. And I believe that
 

2209
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,109
that happened. And I believe that
uh trying to tone down my wording on it

2210
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:53,119
uh trying to tone down my wording on it
 

2211
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,990
uh trying to tone down my wording on it
is a disservice to people uh and victims

2212
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:58,000
is a disservice to people uh and victims
 

2213
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,550
is a disservice to people uh and victims
because if if what Gabriel Brown did

2214
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:00,560
because if if what Gabriel Brown did
 

2215
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,470
because if if what Gabriel Brown did
shouldn't have happened. I think it is

2216
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:02,480
shouldn't have happened. I think it is
 

2217
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,349
shouldn't have happened. I think it is
grooming. I don't and I when I say I

2218
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:05,359
grooming. I don't and I when I say I
 

2219
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:09,430
grooming. I don't and I when I say I
think people run with that as an opinion

2220
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:09,440
think people run with that as an opinion
 

2221
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,870
think people run with that as an opinion
and yes it technically is an opinion but

2222
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:12,880
and yes it technically is an opinion but
 

2223
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,630
and yes it technically is an opinion but
it it is an informed opinion based on

2224
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:14,640
it it is an informed opinion based on
 

2225
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,790
it it is an informed opinion based on
what I know that happened and what I

2226
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:16,800
what I know that happened and what I
 

2227
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,069
what I know that happened and what I
know is what grooming consists of.

2228
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:20,079
know is what grooming consists of.
 

2229
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:21,670
know is what grooming consists of.
>> Um

2230
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:21,680
>> Um
 

2231
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,030
>> Um
all the things that have happened are

2232
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:23,040
all the things that have happened are
 

2233
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,550
all the things that have happened are
inappropriate. All the things that led

2234
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:26,560
inappropriate. All the things that led
 

2235
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,390
inappropriate. All the things that led
up to him dating her shouldn't have

2236
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:30,400
up to him dating her shouldn't have
 

2237
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,430
up to him dating her shouldn't have
happened.

2238
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:31,440
happened.
 

2239
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,589
happened.
>> Mhm. And I think that because they did

2240
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:33,599
>> Mhm. And I think that because they did
 

2241
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,150
>> Mhm. And I think that because they did
happen, it is grooming,

2242
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:36,160
happen, it is grooming,
 

2243
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:36,950
happen, it is grooming,
>> right?

2244
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:36,960
>> right?
 

2245
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,829
>> right?
>> If if I were to say that it wasn't

2246
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:39,839
>> If if I were to say that it wasn't
 

2247
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:42,390
>> If if I were to say that it wasn't
grooming, then it could allow other

2248
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:42,400
grooming, then it could allow other
 

2249
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,829
grooming, then it could allow other
people to get away with that, too.

2250
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:45,839
people to get away with that, too.
 

2251
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:47,910
people to get away with that, too.
>> It's not about Claire. It's not about

2252
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:47,920
>> It's not about Claire. It's not about
 

2253
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,870
>> It's not about Claire. It's not about
Michelle. It's about what how people

2254
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:50,880
Michelle. It's about what how people
 

2255
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,349
Michelle. It's about what how people
perceive situations because what

2256
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:53,359
perceive situations because what
 

2257
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,430
perceive situations because what
happened to them is perceived as normal

2258
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:55,440
happened to them is perceived as normal
 

2259
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,829
happened to them is perceived as normal
by a lot of the fandom and it wasn't

2260
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:57,839
by a lot of the fandom and it wasn't
 

2261
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,230
by a lot of the fandom and it wasn't
normal. So, I want to make sure that

2262
00:48:00,230 --> 00:48:00,240
normal. So, I want to make sure that
 

2263
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,470
normal. So, I want to make sure that
people understand

2264
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:02,480
people understand
 

2265
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,790
people understand
um that none of this is normal and that

2266
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:06,800
um that none of this is normal and that
 

2267
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,750
um that none of this is normal and that
if they see this anywhere but being done

2268
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:09,760
if they see this anywhere but being done
 

2269
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,069
if they see this anywhere but being done
by anyone, they should at least

2270
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:12,079
by anyone, they should at least
 

2271
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,349
by anyone, they should at least
investigate and be a little hesitant to

2272
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:15,359
investigate and be a little hesitant to
 

2273
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:18,790
investigate and be a little hesitant to
be um happy about the situation.

2274
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:18,800
be um happy about the situation.
 

2275
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,750
be um happy about the situation.
>> Right. So, you said that Claire had

2276
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:21,760
>> Right. So, you said that Claire had
 

2277
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,829
>> Right. So, you said that Claire had
accepted your uh some doxing information

2278
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:23,839
accepted your uh some doxing information
 

2279
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:26,390
accepted your uh some doxing information
about you. Do you know exactly how you

2280
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:26,400
about you. Do you know exactly how you
 

2281
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,470
about you. Do you know exactly how you
were doxed?

2282
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:28,480
were doxed?
 

2283
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,630
were doxed?
I believe it was someone who knew me

2284
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:30,640
I believe it was someone who knew me
 

2285
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,390
I believe it was someone who knew me
personally, not someone who hacked

2286
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:32,400
personally, not someone who hacked
 

2287
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,190
personally, not someone who hacked
information. Um,

2288
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:35,200
information. Um,
 

2289
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,069
information. Um,
I don't know who it was. They were using

2290
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:38,079
I don't know who it was. They were using
 

2291
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,230
I don't know who it was. They were using
an anonymous account. Um,

2292
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:42,240
an anonymous account. Um,
 

2293
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,510
an anonymous account. Um,
but they they messaged Claire on Twitter

2294
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:45,520
but they they messaged Claire on Twitter
 

2295
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,790
but they they messaged Claire on Twitter
uh saying, "Hey, I have things like his

2296
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:48,800
uh saying, "Hey, I have things like his
 

2297
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,870
uh saying, "Hey, I have things like his
home address. Would you like those?" And

2298
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:50,880
home address. Would you like those?" And
 

2299
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,870
home address. Would you like those?" And
Claire responded, "That'd be great."

2300
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:52,880
Claire responded, "That'd be great."
 

2301
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,829
Claire responded, "That'd be great."
smiley face. Um,

2302
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:55,839
smiley face. Um,
 

2303
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:59,430
smiley face. Um,
and then then then I got a lawsuit in

2304
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:59,440
and then then then I got a lawsuit in
 

2305
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,430
and then then then I got a lawsuit in
the mail or I don't know if it's

2306
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:01,440
the mail or I don't know if it's
 

2307
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,230
the mail or I don't know if it's
considered a lawsuit or defamation. I

2308
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:04,240
considered a lawsuit or defamation. I
 

2309
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,750
considered a lawsuit or defamation. I
got a a legal threat in the mail.

2310
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:07,760
got a a legal threat in the mail.
 

2311
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,790
got a a legal threat in the mail.
>> Like a cease and desist.

2312
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:10,800
>> Like a cease and desist.
 

2313
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,190
>> Like a cease and desist.
>> See, I don't I don't want to say yes, it

2314
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:13,200
>> See, I don't I don't want to say yes, it
 

2315
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,870
>> See, I don't I don't want to say yes, it
is a cease and desist because I'd have

2316
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:14,880
is a cease and desist because I'd have
 

2317
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,030
is a cease and desist because I'd have
to look at the papers again to determine

2318
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:17,040
to look at the papers again to determine
 

2319
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,270
to look at the papers again to determine
what exactly it's called. Um, but yes,

2320
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:21,280
what exactly it's called. Um, but yes,
 

2321
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,309
what exactly it's called. Um, but yes,
and I got that back in October. Gotcha.

2322
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:24,319
and I got that back in October. Gotcha.
 

2323
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:25,829
and I got that back in October. Gotcha.
Did you have any lawyers look through

2324
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:25,839
Did you have any lawyers look through
 

2325
00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,430
Did you have any lawyers look through
this paperwork or anything to tell you

2326
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:27,440
this paperwork or anything to tell you
 

2327
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,030
this paperwork or anything to tell you
what it was or?

2328
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:29,040
what it was or?
 

2329
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,430
what it was or?
>> No. I mean, it says it on the paper. Um

2330
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:31,440
>> No. I mean, it says it on the paper. Um
 

2331
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,950
>> No. I mean, it says it on the paper. Um
I I

2332
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:32,960
I I
 

2333
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,270
I I
>> Yeah, I I just don't want to because I'm

2334
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:35,280
>> Yeah, I I just don't want to because I'm
 

2335
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,829
>> Yeah, I I just don't want to because I'm
not like a lawyer or a legal expert. So,

2336
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:37,839
not like a lawyer or a legal expert. So,
 

2337
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:40,230
not like a lawyer or a legal expert. So,
I don't want to say it was a lawsuit or

2338
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:40,240
I don't want to say it was a lawsuit or
 

2339
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,069
I don't want to say it was a lawsuit or
it was a defamation or it was a cease

2340
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:42,079
it was a defamation or it was a cease
 

2341
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:43,750
it was a defamation or it was a cease
and assist and then people correct me

2342
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:43,760
and assist and then people correct me
 

2343
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,470
and assist and then people correct me
and go, "Why were you lying?" I I

2344
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:46,480
and go, "Why were you lying?" I I
 

2345
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,549
and go, "Why were you lying?" I I
genuinely just don't know which

2346
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:48,559
genuinely just don't know which
 

2347
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,150
genuinely just don't know which
terminology is correct.

2348
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:50,160
terminology is correct.
 

2349
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,829
terminology is correct.
>> Fair enough. What's important is that I

2350
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:51,839
>> Fair enough. What's important is that I
 

2351
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:56,710
>> Fair enough. What's important is that I
got a legal threat to retract things

2352
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:56,720
got a legal threat to retract things
 

2353
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,910
got a legal threat to retract things
I've said and issue a statement. Um,

2354
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:01,920
I've said and issue a statement. Um,
 

2355
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,870
I've said and issue a statement. Um,
>> and when I ignored that uh and kept

2356
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:04,880
>> and when I ignored that uh and kept
 

2357
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,549
>> and when I ignored that uh and kept
going, nothing happened.

2358
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:06,559
going, nothing happened.
 

2359
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:07,030
going, nothing happened.
>> Right.

2360
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:07,040
>> Right.
 

2361
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,790
>> Right.
>> Leading me to believe that it was

2362
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:08,800
>> Leading me to believe that it was
 

2363
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,270
>> Leading me to believe that it was
nothing more than a threat. Which also

2364
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:11,280
nothing more than a threat. Which also
 

2365
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,829
nothing more than a threat. Which also
leads me to believe that he does not

2366
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:13,839
leads me to believe that he does not
 

2367
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,990
leads me to believe that he does not
want an investigation.

2368
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:16,000
want an investigation.
 

2369
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,630
want an investigation.
>> Sure. I mean, fair enough. I'm not a

2370
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:18,640
>> Sure. I mean, fair enough. I'm not a
 

2371
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,309
>> Sure. I mean, fair enough. I'm not a
lawyer either. I don't know any legal

2372
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:20,319
lawyer either. I don't know any legal
 

2373
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,549
lawyer either. I don't know any legal
ter. I mean, I know legal definitions. I

2374
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:22,559
ter. I mean, I know legal definitions. I
 

2375
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,150
ter. I mean, I know legal definitions. I
do legal research, I suppose, but even I

2376
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:26,160
do legal research, I suppose, but even I
 

2377
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,230
do legal research, I suppose, but even I
I'm I'm just a person with Google. I

2378
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:28,240
I'm I'm just a person with Google. I
 

2379
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,150
I'm I'm just a person with Google. I
wouldn't be able to tell you.

2380
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:30,160
wouldn't be able to tell you.
 

2381
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,790
wouldn't be able to tell you.
>> Um, so that all of that kind of leads up

2382
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:32,800
>> Um, so that all of that kind of leads up
 

2383
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,870
>> Um, so that all of that kind of leads up
to like videos starting to get made

2384
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:34,880
to like videos starting to get made
 

2385
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,470
to like videos starting to get made
about Black Griffin. Uh, the two biggest

2386
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:36,480
about Black Griffin. Uh, the two biggest
 

2387
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,630
about Black Griffin. Uh, the two biggest
ones obviously were mine and Courtney

2388
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:38,640
ones obviously were mine and Courtney
 

2389
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,190
ones obviously were mine and Courtney
Pete's. Um, which

2390
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:41,200
Pete's. Um, which
 

2391
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,230
Pete's. Um, which
>> that's not necessarily true. Uh, Also

2392
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:44,240
>> that's not necessarily true. Uh, Also
 

2393
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:45,829
>> that's not necessarily true. Uh, Also
had one.

2394
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:45,839
had one.
 

2395
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:47,349
had one.
>> The [\h__\h]

2396
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:47,359
>> The [\h__\h]
 

2397
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,990
>> The [\h__\h]
>> Well, yeah, the uh the did you know has

2398
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:50,000
>> Well, yeah, the uh the did you know has
 

2399
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,589
>> Well, yeah, the uh the did you know has
been a hotel guy. That's what I know

2400
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:51,599
been a hotel guy. That's what I know
 

2401
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,109
been a hotel guy. That's what I know
him.

2402
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:53,119
him.
 

2403
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:54,630
him.
>> Yeah. Well, there's that guy. There's

2404
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:54,640
>> Yeah. Well, there's that guy. There's
 

2405
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,549
>> Yeah. Well, there's that guy. There's
another dude when I was doing research

2406
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:56,559
another dude when I was doing research
 

2407
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,230
another dude when I was doing research
who has like a Sonic OC or something

2408
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:58,240
who has like a Sonic OC or something
 

2409
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,230
who has like a Sonic OC or something
like that, which is ironic given the

2410
00:51:00,230 --> 00:51:00,240
like that, which is ironic given the
 

2411
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,829
like that, which is ironic given the
circumstances,

2412
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:01,839
circumstances,
 

2413
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:03,670
circumstances,
but

2414
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:03,680
but
 

2415
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,069
but
>> the big ones that that most get cited is

2416
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:06,079
>> the big ones that that most get cited is
 

2417
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,589
>> the big ones that that most get cited is
mine and Courtney's at least in

2418
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:07,599
mine and Courtney's at least in
 

2419
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,270
mine and Courtney's at least in
opposition. And then there's a la which

2420
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:09,280
opposition. And then there's a la which
 

2421
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,430
opposition. And then there's a la which
is in the oppos. Um so I wanted to ask

2422
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:13,440
is in the oppos. Um so I wanted to ask
 

2423
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,950
is in the oppos. Um so I wanted to ask
this just cuz I know that in the

2424
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:14,960
this just cuz I know that in the
 

2425
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,069
this just cuz I know that in the
interview with Courtney um she did an

2426
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:18,079
interview with Courtney um she did an
 

2427
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:19,829
interview with Courtney um she did an
interview with Sophie uh but she didn't

2428
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:19,839
interview with Sophie uh but she didn't
 

2429
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:22,069
interview with Sophie uh but she didn't
do an interview with you. So what is

2430
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:22,079
do an interview with you. So what is
 

2431
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,069
do an interview with you. So what is
your whole relationship with Courtney

2432
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:24,079
your whole relationship with Courtney
 

2433
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:25,829
your whole relationship with Courtney
Pete since she's kind of tangentially

2434
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:25,839
Pete since she's kind of tangentially
 

2435
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:28,150
Pete since she's kind of tangentially
related to all this.

2436
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:28,160
related to all this.
 

2437
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,390
related to all this.
>> Can I do a real quick side note? I'm

2438
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:30,400
>> Can I do a real quick side note? I'm
 

2439
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:30,790
>> Can I do a real quick side note? I'm
sorry.

2440
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:30,800
sorry.
 

2441
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,630
sorry.
>> Sure. Yeah.

2442
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:32,640
>> Sure. Yeah.
 

2443
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,630
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> Uh so you said that Alamau was on the

2444
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:34,640
>> Uh so you said that Alamau was on the
 

2445
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,390
>> Uh so you said that Alamau was on the
oppos side. He he actually agrees and in

2446
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:38,400
oppos side. He he actually agrees and in
 

2447
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,870
oppos side. He he actually agrees and in
the video says he agrees with everything

2448
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:40,880
the video says he agrees with everything
 

2449
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,589
the video says he agrees with everything
I was saying. He just presents it very

2450
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:43,599
I was saying. He just presents it very
 

2451
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,270
I was saying. He just presents it very
poorly to the point where people thought

2452
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:45,280
poorly to the point where people thought
 

2453
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,549
poorly to the point where people thought
he disagreed.

2454
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:46,559
he disagreed.
 

2455
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,069
he disagreed.
>> That's what I Well, when I watched it,

2456
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:48,079
>> That's what I Well, when I watched it,
 

2457
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,990
>> That's what I Well, when I watched it,
he's just like, I don't know if if it's

2458
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:50,000
he's just like, I don't know if if it's
 

2459
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,750
he's just like, I don't know if if it's
whatever Claire Michelle says it didn't

2460
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:51,760
whatever Claire Michelle says it didn't
 

2461
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,349
whatever Claire Michelle says it didn't
happen, I'll take their word for it.

2462
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:53,359
happen, I'll take their word for it.
 

2463
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,829
happen, I'll take their word for it.
Whatever the [\h__\h] I don't know.

2464
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:55,839
Whatever the [\h__\h] I don't know.
 

2465
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:56,069
Whatever the [\h__\h] I don't know.
>> Yeah.

2466
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:56,079
>> Yeah.
 

2467
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,790
>> Yeah.
>> Like I don't know. The way he worded it

2468
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:58,800
>> Like I don't know. The way he worded it
 

2469
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,150
>> Like I don't know. The way he worded it
made it very much sound like he was

2470
00:52:00,150 --> 00:52:00,160
made it very much sound like he was
 

2471
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,109
made it very much sound like he was
being very dismissive. So, I I just

2472
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:03,119
being very dismissive. So, I I just
 

2473
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,270
being very dismissive. So, I I just
assume he was just like, "Uh, nothing

2474
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:05,280
assume he was just like, "Uh, nothing
 

2475
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,710
assume he was just like, "Uh, nothing
weird's happening here or whatever the

2476
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:06,720
weird's happening here or whatever the
 

2477
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,230
weird's happening here or whatever the
fuck."

2478
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:08,240
fuck."
 

2479
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,390
fuck."
>> Yeah. Uh, that that's all I just wanted

2480
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:10,400
>> Yeah. Uh, that that's all I just wanted
 

2481
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,950
>> Yeah. Uh, that that's all I just wanted
to specify. I don't think the video is

2482
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:12,960
to specify. I don't think the video is
 

2483
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,150
to specify. I don't think the video is
bad because he doesn't agree with me. He

2484
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:16,160
bad because he doesn't agree with me. He
 

2485
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,230
bad because he doesn't agree with me. He
does agree with me. I think the video is

2486
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:18,240
does agree with me. I think the video is
 

2487
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,750
does agree with me. I think the video is
bad because he didn't put enough effort

2488
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:19,760
bad because he didn't put enough effort
 

2489
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,710
bad because he didn't put enough effort
into it.

2490
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:20,720
into it.
 

2491
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,230
into it.
>> He doesn't put enough effort into his

2492
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:22,240
>> He doesn't put enough effort into his
 

2493
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,910
>> He doesn't put enough effort into his
content, period, though. Let's be for

2494
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:23,920
content, period, though. Let's be for
 

2495
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,230
content, period, though. Let's be for
real.

2496
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:24,240
real.
 

2497
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:24,790
real.
>> Yeah.

2498
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:24,800
>> Yeah.
 

2499
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,589
>> Yeah.
>> No, I agree.

2500
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:25,599
>> No, I agree.
 

2501
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:28,549
>> No, I agree.
>> He does hotel fun facts about like

2502
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:28,559
>> He does hotel fun facts about like
 

2503
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:30,950
>> He does hotel fun facts about like
minute [\h__\h] It's whatever.

2504
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:30,960
minute [\h__\h] It's whatever.
 

2505
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,309
minute [\h__\h] It's whatever.
Yeah. Anyways, the real question, um, it

2506
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:36,319
Yeah. Anyways, the real question, um, it
 

2507
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:38,069
Yeah. Anyways, the real question, um, it
was, uh, sorry, what was the question

2508
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:38,079
was, uh, sorry, what was the question
 

2509
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:38,470
was, uh, sorry, what was the question
again?

2510
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:38,480
again?
 

2511
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,150
again?
>> Uh, Courtney Pete, what's your

2512
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:40,160
>> Uh, Courtney Pete, what's your
 

2513
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,670
>> Uh, Courtney Pete, what's your
relationship with her?

2514
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:41,680
relationship with her?
 

2515
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,470
relationship with her?
>> Uh, it was non-existent, um, at the

2516
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:44,480
>> Uh, it was non-existent, um, at the
 

2517
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,430
>> Uh, it was non-existent, um, at the
time.

2518
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:45,440
time.
 

2519
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,150
time.
>> So, my knowledge of Courtney was

2520
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:50,160
>> So, my knowledge of Courtney was
 

2521
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,190
>> So, my knowledge of Courtney was
slightly less than my knowledge of KP,

2522
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:53,200
slightly less than my knowledge of KP,
 

2523
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,150
slightly less than my knowledge of KP,
which was slightly more than nothing.

2524
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:56,160
which was slightly more than nothing.
 

2525
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,829
which was slightly more than nothing.
Um, at the time uh of me and Sophie

2526
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:01,839
Um, at the time uh of me and Sophie
 

2527
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:03,589
Um, at the time uh of me and Sophie
talking about Griffin and getting more

2528
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:03,599
talking about Griffin and getting more
 

2529
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,150
talking about Griffin and getting more
traction, finding more information and

2530
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:06,160
traction, finding more information and
 

2531
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,870
traction, finding more information and
putting out the uh the master dock in in

2532
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:10,880
putting out the uh the master dock in in
 

2533
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,270
putting out the uh the master dock in in
around the time of the master dock being

2534
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:13,280
around the time of the master dock being
 

2535
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,710
around the time of the master dock being
uh put out, uh KP's team started

2536
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:16,720
uh put out, uh KP's team started
 

2537
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:19,030
uh put out, uh KP's team started
messaging me about

2538
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:19,040
messaging me about
 

2539
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,950
messaging me about
um

2540
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:20,960
um
 

2541
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,470
um
the

2542
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:22,480
the
 

2543
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,390
the
DA games, the people, and I said, I

2544
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:26,400
DA games, the people, and I said, I
 

2545
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,349
DA games, the people, and I said, I
don't know anything about them. I mostly

2546
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:29,359
don't know anything about them. I mostly
 

2547
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:31,910
don't know anything about them. I mostly
do call outs on people in the Brony

2548
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:31,920
do call outs on people in the Brony
 

2549
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,390
do call outs on people in the Brony
community. I can't really help you guys

2550
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:34,400
community. I can't really help you guys
 

2551
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,069
community. I can't really help you guys
with this. I I don't know any

2552
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:36,079
with this. I I don't know any
 

2553
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,150
with this. I I don't know any
information. I'm already balancing a

2554
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:38,160
information. I'm already balancing a
 

2555
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,150
information. I'm already balancing a
lot. It's not even in my wheelhouse of

2556
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:40,160
lot. It's not even in my wheelhouse of
 

2557
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,589
lot. It's not even in my wheelhouse of
things I usually cover,

2558
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:41,599
things I usually cover,
 

2559
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:46,309
things I usually cover,
>> right? So, um, but then they kept

2560
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:46,319
>> right? So, um, but then they kept
 

2561
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:51,030
>> right? So, um, but then they kept
replying on threads about Griffin and

2562
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:51,040
replying on threads about Griffin and
 

2563
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,390
replying on threads about Griffin and
also like trying to

2564
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:54,400
also like trying to
 

2565
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,829
also like trying to
use that to bring attention to the DA

2566
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:57,839
use that to bring attention to the DA
 

2567
00:53:57,839 --> 00:53:59,910
use that to bring attention to the DA
Games situation, which I don't really

2568
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:59,920
Games situation, which I don't really
 

2569
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,510
Games situation, which I don't really
have a problem with if it's a real

2570
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:01,520
have a problem with if it's a real
 

2571
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,510
have a problem with if it's a real
situation. And I do believe that DA

2572
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:03,520
situation. And I do believe that DA
 

2573
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,349
situation. And I do believe that DA
Games has done stuff. I don't think KP

2574
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:05,359
Games has done stuff. I don't think KP
 

2575
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:06,950
Games has done stuff. I don't think KP
was lying in her video. I think her

2576
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:06,960
was lying in her video. I think her
 

2577
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,670
was lying in her video. I think her
video was just really poorly done.

2578
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:09,680
video was just really poorly done.
 

2579
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,109
video was just really poorly done.
>> Right. Oh. Um,

2580
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:13,119
>> Right. Oh. Um,
 

2581
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,549
>> Right. Oh. Um,
there were sections that shouldn't have

2582
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:14,559
there were sections that shouldn't have
 

2583
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,589
there were sections that shouldn't have
been there. There are things

2584
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:17,599
been there. There are things
 

2585
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,670
been there. There are things
there there is a a hell of a lot of

2586
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:19,680
there there is a a hell of a lot of
 

2587
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,630
there there is a a hell of a lot of
memes that shouldn't have been there,

2588
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:22,640
memes that shouldn't have been there,
 

2589
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,349
memes that shouldn't have been there,
>> but I don't think the actual accusations

2590
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:25,359
>> but I don't think the actual accusations
 

2591
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:26,870
>> but I don't think the actual accusations
were ever lies.

2592
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:26,880
were ever lies.
 

2593
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,270
were ever lies.
>> Mhm.

2594
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:27,280
>> Mhm.
 

2595
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,870
>> Mhm.
>> Um,

2596
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:28,880
>> Um,
 

2597
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,549
>> Um,
so,

2598
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:30,559
so,
 

2599
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,630
so,
so, so when I say that they were

2600
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:32,640
so, so when I say that they were
 

2601
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,470
so, so when I say that they were
bringing up DA Games a lot, I don't mean

2602
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:34,480
bringing up DA Games a lot, I don't mean
 

2603
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,309
bringing up DA Games a lot, I don't mean
to say that that was a really bad move

2604
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:36,319
to say that that was a really bad move
 

2605
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:38,549
to say that that was a really bad move
of them. I I I think they were trying to

2606
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:38,559
of them. I I I think they were trying to
 

2607
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:41,430
of them. I I I think they were trying to
get attention for a serious situation. I

2608
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:41,440
get attention for a serious situation. I
 

2609
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,750
get attention for a serious situation. I
but I also have to question their

2610
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:43,760
but I also have to question their
 

2611
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,750
but I also have to question their
reasoning in hindsight

2612
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:45,760
reasoning in hindsight
 

2613
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,349
reasoning in hindsight
>> because I do believe that some of them

2614
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:47,359
>> because I do believe that some of them
 

2615
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:49,589
>> because I do believe that some of them
are were trying to do it for attention

2616
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:49,599
are were trying to do it for attention
 

2617
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,589
are were trying to do it for attention
purposes and not necessarily bringing

2618
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:51,599
purposes and not necessarily bringing
 

2619
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,910
purposes and not necessarily bringing
attention to the situation purposes.

2620
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:53,920
attention to the situation purposes.
 

2621
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,390
attention to the situation purposes.
>> Mhm.

2622
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:54,400
>> Mhm.
 

2623
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,430
>> Mhm.
>> Um so KP kind of was inserted into all

2624
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:57,440
>> Um so KP kind of was inserted into all
 

2625
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,790
>> Um so KP kind of was inserted into all
of this um and made a room in her server

2626
00:55:00,790 --> 00:55:00,800
of this um and made a room in her server
 

2627
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,630
of this um and made a room in her server
about Griffin um and position positioned

2628
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:04,640
about Griffin um and position positioned
 

2629
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,950
about Griffin um and position positioned
it as any victims of Griffin come to my

2630
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,960
it as any victims of Griffin come to my
 

2631
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,670
it as any victims of Griffin come to my
server and you can chat about it here.

2632
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:09,680
server and you can chat about it here.
 

2633
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,430
server and you can chat about it here.
Um,

2634
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:11,440
Um,
 

2635
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,990
Um,
which felt weird even at the time

2636
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:14,000
which felt weird even at the time
 

2637
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,230
which felt weird even at the time
because she wasn't involved and

2638
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:18,240
because she wasn't involved and
 

2639
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,230
because she wasn't involved and
she was trying to play the role of like

2640
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:20,240
she was trying to play the role of like
 

2641
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,069
she was trying to play the role of like
the sanctuary for everyone and it felt

2642
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:24,079
the sanctuary for everyone and it felt
 

2643
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:27,510
the sanctuary for everyone and it felt
strange, but I joined the the server so

2644
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:27,520
strange, but I joined the the server so
 

2645
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,750
strange, but I joined the the server so
I could help answer any questions if

2646
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:29,760
I could help answer any questions if
 

2647
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,790
I could help answer any questions if
there were any. Um, and that led to me

2648
00:55:32,790 --> 00:55:32,800
there were any. Um, and that led to me
 

2649
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,750
there were any. Um, and that led to me
being in a call with KP by by my own

2650
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:35,760
being in a call with KP by by my own
 

2651
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,309
being in a call with KP by by my own
doing joining a call that was going on

2652
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:38,319
doing joining a call that was going on
 

2653
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:40,470
doing joining a call that was going on
in that server when I joined the server

2654
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:40,480
in that server when I joined the server
 

2655
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,030
in that server when I joined the server
itself. Um, and then KP explained the DA

2656
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:43,040
itself. Um, and then KP explained the DA
 

2657
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,910
itself. Um, and then KP explained the DA
game situation to me and explained some

2658
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:45,920
game situation to me and explained some
 

2659
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,990
game situation to me and explained some
of the Saber Spark situations um, both

2660
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:50,000
of the Saber Spark situations um, both
 

2661
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,630
of the Saber Spark situations um, both
uh, things relating to DA Games and

2662
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:52,640
uh, things relating to DA Games and
 

2663
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,270
uh, things relating to DA Games and
things uh, relating to her personally

2664
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:55,280
things uh, relating to her personally
 

2665
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,190
things uh, relating to her personally
um, involving Saber that I don't think

2666
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:57,200
um, involving Saber that I don't think
 

2667
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,190
um, involving Saber that I don't think
she even really touched on in her own

2668
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:59,200
she even really touched on in her own
 

2669
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,470
she even really touched on in her own
video.

2670
00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:00,480
video.
 

2671
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,670
video.
Um, but but she told me things that I

2672
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:03,680
Um, but but she told me things that I
 

2673
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,150
Um, but but she told me things that I
don't know if they're meant to still be

2674
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:06,160
don't know if they're meant to still be
 

2675
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,670
don't know if they're meant to still be
private because I thought she was going

2676
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:07,680
private because I thought she was going
 

2677
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,190
private because I thought she was going
to talk about them. They're there were

2678
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:09,200
to talk about them. They're there were
 

2679
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,670
to talk about them. They're there were
kind of re reasons why I trusted her

2680
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:11,680
kind of re reasons why I trusted her
 

2681
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,069
kind of re reasons why I trusted her
>> Mhm.

2682
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:12,079
>> Mhm.
 

2683
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,349
>> Mhm.
>> to bring up Saber at all.

2684
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:15,359
>> to bring up Saber at all.
 

2685
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:15,750
>> to bring up Saber at all.
>> Right.

2686
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:15,760
>> Right.
 

2687
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,910
>> Right.
>> Um,

2688
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:17,920
>> Um,
 

2689
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,789
>> Um,
point being, that was the extent of my

2690
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:20,799
point being, that was the extent of my
 

2691
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,430
point being, that was the extent of my
relationship with KP. And KP in that

2692
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:23,440
relationship with KP. And KP in that
 

2693
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,030
relationship with KP. And KP in that
conversation told me that um she

2694
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:27,040
conversation told me that um she
 

2695
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,829
conversation told me that um she
couldn't work on a Griffin video because

2696
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:29,839
couldn't work on a Griffin video because
 

2697
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:33,349
couldn't work on a Griffin video because
she was working on uh a lot of stuff

2698
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:33,359
she was working on uh a lot of stuff
 

2699
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:36,309
she was working on uh a lot of stuff
involving Saber Spark. Um

2700
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:36,319
involving Saber Spark. Um
 

2701
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:40,789
involving Saber Spark. Um
so instead she uh gave it to Courtney

2702
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:40,799
so instead she uh gave it to Courtney
 

2703
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:43,670
so instead she uh gave it to Courtney
and she explained to me that it was Lily

2704
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:43,680
and she explained to me that it was Lily
 

2705
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,109
and she explained to me that it was Lily
Singh's sister. Um and she also

2706
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:47,119
Singh's sister. Um and she also
 

2707
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,670
Singh's sister. Um and she also
explained that while that is true, she's

2708
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:49,680
explained that while that is true, she's
 

2709
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,069
explained that while that is true, she's
a victim of Lily Sings as well. So, I

2710
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:52,079
a victim of Lily Sings as well. So, I
 

2711
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,069
a victim of Lily Sings as well. So, I
was like, "Oh [\h__\h] that's horrible. I'm

2712
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:54,079
was like, "Oh [\h__\h] that's horrible. I'm
 

2713
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,309
was like, "Oh [\h__\h] that's horrible. I'm
so sorry. I'm I guess she'd be perfect

2714
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:56,319
so sorry. I'm I guess she'd be perfect
 

2715
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:57,670
so sorry. I'm I guess she'd be perfect
to cover all this,

2716
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:57,680
to cover all this,
 

2717
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:58,069
to cover all this,
>> right?"

2718
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:58,079
>> right?"
 

2719
00:56:58,079 --> 00:56:59,670
>> right?"
>> Um,

2720
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:59,680
>> Um,
 

2721
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,710
>> Um,
then the Courtney's video came out and I

2722
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:02,720
then the Courtney's video came out and I
 

2723
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,150
then the Courtney's video came out and I
thought she did a good job with it. I

2724
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:04,160
thought she did a good job with it. I
 

2725
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,510
thought she did a good job with it. I
still think she did a good job with it,

2726
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:05,520
still think she did a good job with it,
 

2727
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,910
still think she did a good job with it,
honestly. Um,

2728
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:07,920
honestly. Um,
 

2729
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,589
honestly. Um,
>> but that was the extent of how much I

2730
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:09,599
>> but that was the extent of how much I
 

2731
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:12,150
>> but that was the extent of how much I
knew Courtney. I heard about her,

2732
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:12,160
knew Courtney. I heard about her,
 

2733
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,589
knew Courtney. I heard about her,
>> right?

2734
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:13,599
>> right?
 

2735
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:19,190
>> right?
And after the video, the day after, um,

2736
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:19,200
And after the video, the day after, um,
 

2737
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,470
And after the video, the day after, um,
I was talking in KP's group in her

2738
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:24,480
I was talking in KP's group in her
 

2739
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,430
I was talking in KP's group in her
server in the Griffin section,

2740
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:27,440
server in the Griffin section,
 

2741
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,150
server in the Griffin section,
and these two people that have been

2742
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:30,160
and these two people that have been
 

2743
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,950
and these two people that have been
harassing me for a long time, uh, ever

2744
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:32,960
harassing me for a long time, uh, ever
 

2745
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,950
harassing me for a long time, uh, ever
since I started calling Griffin out on

2746
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:34,960
since I started calling Griffin out on
 

2747
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,349
since I started calling Griffin out on
the Brony Fandone account, uh, were

2748
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:37,359
the Brony Fandone account, uh, were
 

2749
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,109
the Brony Fandone account, uh, were
talking in there and I recognized them

2750
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:39,119
talking in there and I recognized them
 

2751
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,230
talking in there and I recognized them
and I said, "Hey, aren't you this person

2752
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:42,240
and I said, "Hey, aren't you this person
 

2753
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,230
and I said, "Hey, aren't you this person
and they got real upset and they said

2754
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:44,240
and they got real upset and they said
 

2755
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,549
and they got real upset and they said
and they started uh double team that bad

2756
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:48,559
and they started uh double team that bad
 

2757
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,270
and they started uh double team that bad
wording. Uh they started going at me and

2758
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:51,280
wording. Uh they started going at me and
 

2759
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,589
wording. Uh they started going at me and
saying like how how dare you like they

2760
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:53,599
saying like how how dare you like they
 

2761
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,270
saying like how how dare you like they
they've changed their opinion long ago.

2762
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:55,280
they've changed their opinion long ago.
 

2763
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,190
they've changed their opinion long ago.
How do you how are you still claiming

2764
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:57,200
How do you how are you still claiming
 

2765
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,870
How do you how are you still claiming
that and spreading misinformation? I'm

2766
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:58,880
that and spreading misinformation? I'm
 

2767
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,270
that and spreading misinformation? I'm
like I don't know you guys. All I know

2768
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:01,280
like I don't know you guys. All I know
 

2769
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,349
like I don't know you guys. All I know
you guys from is harassing me.

2770
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:03,359
you guys from is harassing me.
 

2771
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:03,910
you guys from is harassing me.
>> Right.

2772
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:03,920
>> Right.
 

2773
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,630
>> Right.
>> Um

2774
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:04,640
>> Um
 

2775
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,069
>> Um
>> who are these people? And also it was

2776
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:06,079
>> who are these people? And also it was
 

2777
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,069
>> who are these people? And also it was
>> just two people two people in KP server

2778
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:08,079
>> just two people two people in KP server
 

2779
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:09,030
>> just two people two people in KP server
or

2780
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:09,040
or
 

2781
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,349
or
>> they no they they are people that have

2782
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:11,359
>> they no they they are people that have
 

2783
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:12,950
>> they no they they are people that have
been

2784
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:12,960
been
 

2785
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,870
been
inserting themselves into all of this

2786
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:14,880
inserting themselves into all of this
 

2787
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,150
inserting themselves into all of this
since the beginning.

2788
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:16,160
since the beginning.
 

2789
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,470
since the beginning.
>> Mhm.

2790
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:16,480
>> Mhm.
 

2791
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,390
>> Mhm.
>> I don't really want to name them because

2792
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:18,400
>> I don't really want to name them because
 

2793
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,589
>> I don't really want to name them because
I feel like one of them is similar to me

2794
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:21,599
I feel like one of them is similar to me
 

2795
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,829
I feel like one of them is similar to me
where they can't handle a lot of

2796
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:25,839
where they can't handle a lot of
 

2797
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:29,030
where they can't handle a lot of
uh harassment. And I I'm not I'm not

2798
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:29,040
uh harassment. And I I'm not I'm not
 

2799
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,750
uh harassment. And I I'm not I'm not
saying that I'm harassing them by

2800
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:31,760
saying that I'm harassing them by
 

2801
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,150
saying that I'm harassing them by
bringing them up. I'm just saying that I

2802
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:34,160
bringing them up. I'm just saying that I
 

2803
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,630
bringing them up. I'm just saying that I
don't know how pe like if if people hear

2804
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:36,640
don't know how pe like if if people hear
 

2805
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,710
don't know how pe like if if people hear
this and then they go looking for this

2806
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:38,720
this and then they go looking for this
 

2807
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,030
this and then they go looking for this
person, I don't know how that person

2808
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:41,040
person, I don't know how that person
 

2809
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,670
person, I don't know how that person
would react because based on previous

2810
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:43,680
would react because based on previous
 

2811
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,710
would react because based on previous
situations, but

2812
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:46,720
situations, but
 

2813
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,630
situations, but
um

2814
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:48,640
um
 

2815
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,950
um
but the they have been very

2816
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:52,960
but the they have been very
 

2817
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,670
but the they have been very
critical to put it lightly of me um to

2818
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:55,680
critical to put it lightly of me um to
 

2819
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,030
critical to put it lightly of me um to
the point where they even to this day

2820
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:59,040
the point where they even to this day
 

2821
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,950
the point where they even to this day
constantly talk about me. So,

2822
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:02,960
constantly talk about me. So,
 

2823
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,270
constantly talk about me. So,
um, I wasn't super happy seeing them

2824
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:05,280
um, I wasn't super happy seeing them
 

2825
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,750
um, I wasn't super happy seeing them
there. So, I I I did I didn't say a

2826
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:07,760
there. So, I I I did I didn't say a
 

2827
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,710
there. So, I I I did I didn't say a
whole lot, but then Courtney,

2828
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:10,720
whole lot, but then Courtney,
 

2829
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,309
whole lot, but then Courtney,
uh, came to came to their aid in a way

2830
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:14,319
uh, came to came to their aid in a way
 

2831
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:17,109
uh, came to came to their aid in a way
and like defended them. So, I messaged

2832
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:17,119
and like defended them. So, I messaged
 

2833
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,510
and like defended them. So, I messaged
her and said, "Hey, these people are

2834
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:19,520
her and said, "Hey, these people are
 

2835
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,750
her and said, "Hey, these people are
kind of like they're they're like

2836
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:21,760
kind of like they're they're like
 

2837
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,270
kind of like they're they're like
bullies of mine." Um, I don't I was

2838
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:25,280
bullies of mine." Um, I don't I was
 

2839
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,870
bullies of mine." Um, I don't I was
trying to explain the situation and I

2840
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:26,880
trying to explain the situation and I
 

2841
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,670
trying to explain the situation and I
was kind of hurt that she would do that,

2842
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:29,680
was kind of hurt that she would do that,
 

2843
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,870
was kind of hurt that she would do that,
especially since it felt out of place. I

2844
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:32,880
especially since it felt out of place. I
 

2845
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,630
especially since it felt out of place. I
I didn't know her that well, but I liked

2846
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:34,640
I didn't know her that well, but I liked
 

2847
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,710
I didn't know her that well, but I liked
her video and I thought she was well

2848
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:36,720
her video and I thought she was well
 

2849
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,829
her video and I thought she was well
spoken in it. So,

2850
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:39,839
spoken in it. So,
 

2851
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:43,030
spoken in it. So,
um, it felt uh, weird, so I thought I'd

2852
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:43,040
um, it felt uh, weird, so I thought I'd
 

2853
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,309
um, it felt uh, weird, so I thought I'd
talk to her. Um, and then she said that

2854
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:48,319
talk to her. Um, and then she said that
 

2855
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:50,789
talk to her. Um, and then she said that
uh, oh, you you you think you're being

2856
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:50,799
uh, oh, you you you think you're being
 

2857
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,750
uh, oh, you you you think you're being
bullied? what are you like a child?

2858
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:53,760
bullied? what are you like a child?
 

2859
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,589
bullied? what are you like a child?
And and it um it it changed my opinion

2860
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:57,599
And and it um it it changed my opinion
 

2861
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:01,349
And and it um it it changed my opinion
of her uh very quickly cuz that not only

2862
01:00:01,349 --> 01:00:01,359
of her uh very quickly cuz that not only
 

2863
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:05,589
of her uh very quickly cuz that not only
children can get bullied and it is it

2864
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:05,599
children can get bullied and it is it
 

2865
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,390
children can get bullied and it is it
just felt very weirdly aggressive

2866
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:08,400
just felt very weirdly aggressive
 

2867
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,510
just felt very weirdly aggressive
>> out of nowhere.

2868
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:09,520
>> out of nowhere.
 

2869
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,990
>> out of nowhere.
>> Courtney is kind of known for being a

2870
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:12,000
>> Courtney is kind of known for being a
 

2871
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,829
>> Courtney is kind of known for being a
like outwardly kind of aggressive

2872
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:13,839
like outwardly kind of aggressive
 

2873
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:15,270
like outwardly kind of aggressive
online.

2874
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:15,280
online.
 

2875
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,349
online.
>> I' I know that now. Um

2876
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:17,359
>> I' I know that now. Um
 

2877
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:19,670
>> I' I know that now. Um
>> I I've known that for about a year.

2878
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:19,680
>> I I've known that for about a year.
 

2879
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,510
>> I I've known that for about a year.
like, yeah, it's

2880
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:21,520
like, yeah, it's
 

2881
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,390
like, yeah, it's
>> like I said, I didn't know who she was

2882
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:24,400
>> like I said, I didn't know who she was
 

2883
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,870
>> like I said, I didn't know who she was
really at all. Um, I just knew that she

2884
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:26,880
really at all. Um, I just knew that she
 

2885
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,109
really at all. Um, I just knew that she
made a good video and then I was

2886
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:29,119
made a good video and then I was
 

2887
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,670
made a good video and then I was
hesitant to promote it because of how

2888
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:31,680
hesitant to promote it because of how
 

2889
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,549
hesitant to promote it because of how
she personally treated me. But I didn't

2890
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:34,559
she personally treated me. But I didn't
 

2891
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,510
she personally treated me. But I didn't
I never went out of my way to te tell

2892
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:37,520
I never went out of my way to te tell
 

2893
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,069
I never went out of my way to te tell
anyone to not watch it or say anything

2894
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:40,079
anyone to not watch it or say anything
 

2895
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,630
anyone to not watch it or say anything
bad about her. I was just more cautious

2896
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:42,640
bad about her. I was just more cautious
 

2897
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,230
bad about her. I was just more cautious
about her after that.

2898
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:44,240
about her after that.
 

2899
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,589
about her after that.
>> Mhm. Um, and then after KP's video, I

2900
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:47,599
>> Mhm. Um, and then after KP's video, I
 

2901
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:51,109
>> Mhm. Um, and then after KP's video, I
saw how she was reacting to people and I

2902
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:51,119
saw how she was reacting to people and I
 

2903
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:52,470
saw how she was reacting to people and I
was kind of glad that I stopped

2904
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:52,480
was kind of glad that I stopped
 

2905
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,270
was kind of glad that I stopped
promoting the video specifically. Um,

2906
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:55,280
promoting the video specifically. Um,
 

2907
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,630
promoting the video specifically. Um,
>> fair enough.

2908
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:56,640
>> fair enough.
 

2909
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,390
>> fair enough.
>> I I still think it's a good video. I

2910
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:58,400
>> I I still think it's a good video. I
 

2911
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,910
>> I I still think it's a good video. I
just don't really want to platform

2912
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:59,920
just don't really want to platform
 

2913
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:00,870
just don't really want to platform
Courtney.

2914
01:01:00,870 --> 01:01:00,880
Courtney.
 

2915
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,030
Courtney.
>> Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame

2916
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:03,040
>> Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame
 

2917
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,549
>> Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame
you at all.

2918
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:04,559
you at all.
 

2919
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:07,190
you at all.
She very much is like because of her own

2920
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:07,200
She very much is like because of her own
 

2921
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,030
She very much is like because of her own
traumas, she very much is like if you

2922
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:09,040
traumas, she very much is like if you
 

2923
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,750
traumas, she very much is like if you
don't experience my trauma the same way

2924
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:11,760
don't experience my trauma the same way
 

2925
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,870
don't experience my trauma the same way
I do, you know, that's the that's the

2926
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:14,880
I do, you know, that's the that's the
 

2927
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,549
I do, you know, that's the that's the
vibe I get. Anyways, there's there's

2928
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:16,559
vibe I get. Anyways, there's there's
 

2929
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:20,870
vibe I get. Anyways, there's there's
only one specific way you can be you can

2930
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:20,880
only one specific way you can be you can
 

2931
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,549
only one specific way you can be you can
experience the same trauma I went

2932
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:22,559
experience the same trauma I went
 

2933
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,750
experience the same trauma I went
through. And if you're not experiencing

2934
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:23,760
through. And if you're not experiencing
 

2935
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,589
through. And if you're not experiencing
it in the same way I did, you're, you

2936
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:25,599
it in the same way I did, you're, you
 

2937
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,270
it in the same way I did, you're, you
know, not a real victim or whatever the

2938
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:27,280
know, not a real victim or whatever the
 

2939
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,470
know, not a real victim or whatever the
[\h__\h] So, let's talk about my video for

2940
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:30,480
[\h__\h] So, let's talk about my video for
 

2941
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,150
[\h__\h] So, let's talk about my video for
just a second. Um, I know you've you've

2942
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:34,160
just a second. Um, I know you've you've
 

2943
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,349
just a second. Um, I know you've you've
left a comment where you had some

2944
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:35,359
left a comment where you had some
 

2945
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:37,109
left a comment where you had some
criticisms. You said the video is almost

2946
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:37,119
criticisms. You said the video is almost
 

2947
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:41,190
criticisms. You said the video is almost
perfect. Um, I know that Sophie even had

2948
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:41,200
perfect. Um, I know that Sophie even had
 

2949
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,510
perfect. Um, I know that Sophie even had
some issues with it. Uh, I've been told

2950
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:43,520
some issues with it. Uh, I've been told
 

2951
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,710
some issues with it. Uh, I've been told
through their great friend that she just

2952
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:44,720
through their great friend that she just
 

2953
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,670
through their great friend that she just
didn't like it at all. Um, so

2954
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:49,680
didn't like it at all. Um, so
 

2955
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,510
didn't like it at all. Um, so
I am somebody who's very receptive to

2956
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:51,520
I am somebody who's very receptive to
 

2957
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,069
I am somebody who's very receptive to
criticism. I've heard it from even

2958
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:54,079
criticism. I've heard it from even
 

2959
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:56,230
criticism. I've heard it from even
Becket when he talked to me for cuz he

2960
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:56,240
Becket when he talked to me for cuz he
 

2961
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,309
Becket when he talked to me for cuz he
needed my input for his video and stuff.

2962
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:58,319
needed my input for his video and stuff.
 

2963
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:01,030
needed my input for his video and stuff.
Uh, but you know, I've heard it harsh

2964
01:02:01,030 --> 01:02:01,040
Uh, but you know, I've heard it harsh
 

2965
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,109
Uh, but you know, I've heard it harsh
from him, harsh from even enter at this

2966
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:03,119
from him, harsh from even enter at this
 

2967
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:06,069
from him, harsh from even enter at this
point. What's your issues with my video?

2968
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:06,079
point. What's your issues with my video?
 

2969
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,950
point. What's your issues with my video?
Just lay it on me, man. I I've heard it

2970
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:08,960
Just lay it on me, man. I I've heard it
 

2971
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,390
Just lay it on me, man. I I've heard it
all at this point, so I might as well

2972
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:10,400
all at this point, so I might as well
 

2973
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,789
all at this point, so I might as well
hear it from you who had was kind of the

2974
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:12,799
hear it from you who had was kind of the
 

2975
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:16,309
hear it from you who had was kind of the
first bouts of someish criticism. So,

2976
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:16,319
first bouts of someish criticism. So,
 

2977
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,190
first bouts of someish criticism. So,
what what's the problem? I suppose

2978
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:19,200
what what's the problem? I suppose
 

2979
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,670
what what's the problem? I suppose
>> I don't It's been a bit since I've seen

2980
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:21,680
>> I don't It's been a bit since I've seen
 

2981
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,990
>> I don't It's been a bit since I've seen
the video. Uh I I am

2982
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:26,000
the video. Uh I I am
 

2983
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,710
the video. Uh I I am
my memory is not amazing unless I really

2984
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:28,720
my memory is not amazing unless I really
 

2985
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,430
my memory is not amazing unless I really
like repetition helps me remember

2986
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:31,440
like repetition helps me remember
 

2987
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:31,990
like repetition helps me remember
things,

2988
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:32,000
things,
 

2989
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:32,390
things,
>> right?

2990
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:32,400
>> right?
 

2991
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,670
>> right?
>> So um I I remember a lot of information

2992
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:35,680
>> So um I I remember a lot of information
 

2993
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,750
>> So um I I remember a lot of information
revolving Black Griffin because everyone

2994
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:37,760
revolving Black Griffin because everyone
 

2995
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,750
revolving Black Griffin because everyone
asks me about it 24/7.

2996
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:39,760
asks me about it 24/7.
 

2997
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,150
asks me about it 24/7.
>> Mhm.

2998
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:40,160
>> Mhm.
 

2999
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,870
>> Mhm.
>> Um but specifically uh things

3000
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:44,880
>> Um but specifically uh things
 

3001
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,390
>> Um but specifically uh things
discrepancies in your video. Um,

3002
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:48,400
discrepancies in your video. Um,
 

3003
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,549
discrepancies in your video. Um,
I what from what I can recall, there was

3004
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:50,559
I what from what I can recall, there was
 

3005
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:55,670
I what from what I can recall, there was
information that was not accurate. Um,

3006
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:55,680
information that was not accurate. Um,
 

3007
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,230
information that was not accurate. Um,
that I felt like was very easy to

3008
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:58,240
that I felt like was very easy to
 

3009
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,309
that I felt like was very easy to
research a bit more on.

3010
01:03:00,309 --> 01:03:00,319
research a bit more on.
 

3011
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:03,430
research a bit more on.
>> And I'm not trying to be like

3012
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:03,440
>> And I'm not trying to be like
 

3013
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,510
>> And I'm not trying to be like
super hostile or harsh right now. I'm

3014
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:05,520
super hostile or harsh right now. I'm
 

3015
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:06,390
super hostile or harsh right now. I'm
just trying to

3016
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:06,400
just trying to
 

3017
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,390
just trying to
>> Dude, I've heard it all. It's fine. Like

3018
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:08,400
>> Dude, I've heard it all. It's fine. Like
 

3019
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,710
>> Dude, I've heard it all. It's fine. Like
I said, lay it on me. It's whatever.

3020
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:10,720
I said, lay it on me. It's whatever.
 

3021
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:15,349
I said, lay it on me. It's whatever.
like obviously um who voiced who uh

3022
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:15,359
like obviously um who voiced who uh
 

3023
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,190
like obviously um who voiced who uh
getting that wrong wasn't the big deal.

3024
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:17,200
getting that wrong wasn't the big deal.
 

3025
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,750
getting that wrong wasn't the big deal.
It's not really the point of the video.

3026
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:19,760
It's not really the point of the video.
 

3027
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,750
It's not really the point of the video.
>> Although I I do think that is an example

3028
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:21,760
>> Although I I do think that is an example
 

3029
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:22,789
>> Although I I do think that is an example
of

3030
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:22,799
of
 

3031
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:25,990
of
>> like it would be easy to get that

3032
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:26,000
>> like it would be easy to get that
 

3033
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,390
>> like it would be easy to get that
information correct,

3034
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:28,400
information correct,
 

3035
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,670
information correct,
but it wasn't really

3036
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:31,680
but it wasn't really
 

3037
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,430
but it wasn't really
>> the time wasn't taken as much as I

3038
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:33,440
>> the time wasn't taken as much as I
 

3039
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,230
>> the time wasn't taken as much as I
thought it had had to be. But so with

3040
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:36,240
thought it had had to be. But so with
 

3041
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,150
thought it had had to be. But so with
applying that to more important things

3042
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:38,160
applying that to more important things
 

3043
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,069
applying that to more important things
like there was a

3044
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:42,079
like there was a
 

3045
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:43,829
like there was a
I'm going to be honest a lot of the

3046
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:43,839
I'm going to be honest a lot of the
 

3047
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:45,270
I'm going to be honest a lot of the
things I remember the things that

3048
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:45,280
things I remember the things that
 

3049
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,750
things I remember the things that
personally were about me. Uh I'm not

3050
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:47,760
personally were about me. Uh I'm not
 

3051
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,510
personally were about me. Uh I'm not
it's not because there I felt there was

3052
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:49,520
it's not because there I felt there was
 

3053
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,670
it's not because there I felt there was
only things to criticize there. It just

3054
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:51,680
only things to criticize there. It just
 

3055
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,510
only things to criticize there. It just
those stuck with me more

3056
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:53,520
those stuck with me more
 

3057
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,109
those stuck with me more
>> because it was about me. I'd have to

3058
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:55,119
>> because it was about me. I'd have to
 

3059
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,510
>> because it was about me. I'd have to
rewatch the video to remember exactly

3060
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:57,520
rewatch the video to remember exactly
 

3061
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:57,910
rewatch the video to remember exactly
>> Mhm.

3062
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:57,920
>> Mhm.
 

3063
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,150
>> Mhm.
>> the other problems. Um I think there was

3064
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:00,160
>> the other problems. Um I think there was
 

3065
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,589
>> the other problems. Um I think there was
stuff about the timeline with um Oh,

3066
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:03,599
stuff about the timeline with um Oh,
 

3067
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:04,950
stuff about the timeline with um Oh,
sorry. All right. I I do remember one

3068
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:04,960
sorry. All right. I I do remember one
 

3069
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:05,510
sorry. All right. I I do remember one
now.

3070
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:05,520
now.
 

3071
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,069
now.
>> Mhm.

3072
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:06,079
>> Mhm.
 

3073
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,549
>> Mhm.
>> Um I guess this does also involve me

3074
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:08,559
>> Um I guess this does also involve me
 

3075
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:09,990
>> Um I guess this does also involve me
though. Uh

3076
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:10,000
though. Uh
 

3077
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,870
though. Uh
>> you said that I was very um

3078
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:12,880
>> you said that I was very um
 

3079
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,789
>> you said that I was very um
>> I I I seemed very per like I I it had to

3080
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:16,799
>> I I I seemed very per like I I it had to
 

3081
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:20,309
>> I I I seemed very per like I I it had to
be my way or the highway um when it came

3082
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:20,319
be my way or the highway um when it came
 

3083
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:23,990
be my way or the highway um when it came
to Claire's situation and but then you

3084
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:24,000
to Claire's situation and but then you
 

3085
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,069
to Claire's situation and but then you
were also very

3086
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:26,079
were also very
 

3087
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,390
were also very
uh open about how you felt a lot of the

3088
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:28,400
uh open about how you felt a lot of the
 

3089
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,710
uh open about how you felt a lot of the
situations were inappropriate uh and

3090
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:30,720
situations were inappropriate uh and
 

3091
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,390
situations were inappropriate uh and
shouldn't have happened. And I I felt

3092
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:32,400
shouldn't have happened. And I I felt
 

3093
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,430
shouldn't have happened. And I I felt
kind of like

3094
01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:35,440
kind of like
 

3095
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,510
kind of like
I I think we were just calling them

3096
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:37,520
I I think we were just calling them
 

3097
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,589
I I think we were just calling them
different things.

3098
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:39,599
different things.
 

3099
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,829
different things.
Uh but we're on the same page, but then

3100
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:41,839
Uh but we're on the same page, but then
 

3101
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:45,270
Uh but we're on the same page, but then
also you felt that I wasn't

3102
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:45,280
also you felt that I wasn't
 

3103
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,349
also you felt that I wasn't
I don't know.

3104
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:47,359
I don't know.
 

3105
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:49,270
I don't know.
Uh

3106
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:49,280
Uh
 

3107
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,270
Uh
I'm sorry. Like I said, if I haven't

3108
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:51,280
I'm sorry. Like I said, if I haven't
 

3109
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,630
I'm sorry. Like I said, if I haven't
seen the video since I watched it

3110
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:52,640
seen the video since I watched it
 

3111
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,430
seen the video since I watched it
initially.

3112
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:53,440
initially.
 

3113
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:53,910
initially.
>> That's fine.

3114
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:53,920
>> That's fine.
 

3115
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,990
>> That's fine.
>> So I I need to go back and watch it if I

3116
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:56,000
>> So I I need to go back and watch it if I
 

3117
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,589
>> So I I need to go back and watch it if I
were going to critique it.

3118
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:57,599
were going to critique it.
 

3119
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:58,789
were going to critique it.
>> That's totally fine. I mean, it's

3120
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:58,799
>> That's totally fine. I mean, it's
 

3121
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:00,950
>> That's totally fine. I mean, it's
private right now, but like uh that's

3122
01:05:00,950 --> 01:05:00,960
private right now, but like uh that's
 

3123
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,710
private right now, but like uh that's
it's just to avoid like any further

3124
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:02,720
it's just to avoid like any further
 

3125
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,870
it's just to avoid like any further
harassment and stuff like that. So, I

3126
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:04,880
harassment and stuff like that. So, I
 

3127
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,630
harassment and stuff like that. So, I
mean, I I totally understand where

3128
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:06,640
mean, I I totally understand where
 

3129
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,309
mean, I I totally understand where
you're coming from on that. Like, but

3130
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:08,319
you're coming from on that. Like, but
 

3131
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:09,270
you're coming from on that. Like, but
that's why we're having this

3132
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:09,280
that's why we're having this
 

3133
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,190
that's why we're having this
conversation now to see where we are on

3134
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:11,200
conversation now to see where we are on
 

3135
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,630
conversation now to see where we are on
the same page. I think it's more just

3136
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:12,640
the same page. I think it's more just
 

3137
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,910
the same page. I think it's more just
like in we just both have like a

3138
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:15,920
like in we just both have like a
 

3139
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,910
like in we just both have like a
different interpretation on information,

3140
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:17,920
different interpretation on information,
 

3141
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,589
different interpretation on information,
which is not necessarily a bad thing.

3142
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:19,599
which is not necessarily a bad thing.
 

3143
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,430
which is not necessarily a bad thing.
It's just more so like I interpret it

3144
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:21,440
It's just more so like I interpret it
 

3145
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,109
It's just more so like I interpret it
this way, you interpret it that way.

3146
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:23,119
this way, you interpret it that way.
 

3147
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,029
this way, you interpret it that way.
Like, I'm not going to lie to you. Like

3148
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:25,039
Like, I'm not going to lie to you. Like
 

3149
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:28,309
Like, I'm not going to lie to you. Like
I I think any any age gap relationship

3150
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:28,319
I I think any any age gap relationship
 

3151
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:30,789
I I think any any age gap relationship
that starts with one of the parties

3152
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:30,799
that starts with one of the parties
 

3153
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:32,230
that starts with one of the parties
being a minor and the other one being an

3154
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:32,240
being a minor and the other one being an
 

3155
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,069
being a minor and the other one being an
adult is immediately I'm like uh-uh

3156
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:34,079
adult is immediately I'm like uh-uh
 

3157
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,990
adult is immediately I'm like uh-uh
that's weird. Like I don't care for age

3158
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:36,000
that's weird. Like I don't care for age
 

3159
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,230
that's weird. Like I don't care for age
gap relationships all that much. But

3160
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:38,240
gap relationships all that much. But
 

3161
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,069
gap relationships all that much. But
when it starts with one of you being a

3162
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:40,079
when it starts with one of you being a
 

3163
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,829
when it starts with one of you being a
like think of the logistics here of it

3164
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:41,839
like think of the logistics here of it
 

3165
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:43,190
like think of the logistics here of it
for a second.

3166
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:43,200
for a second.
 

3167
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,589
for a second.
>> [\h__\h] Claire and Michelle or Gabe and

3168
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:45,599
>> [\h__\h] Claire and Michelle or Gabe and
 

3169
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,910
>> [\h__\h] Claire and Michelle or Gabe and
Claire go into a bar and they meet some

3170
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:47,920
Claire go into a bar and they meet some
 

3171
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,990
Claire go into a bar and they meet some
new friends and Gab's like this is my

3172
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:50,000
new friends and Gab's like this is my
 

3173
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,910
new friends and Gab's like this is my
wife. And they're like oh my god how did

3174
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:51,920
wife. And they're like oh my god how did
 

3175
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,910
wife. And they're like oh my god how did
you guys meet? Well, I met her on this

3176
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:53,920
you guys meet? Well, I met her on this
 

3177
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,990
you guys meet? Well, I met her on this
show that we both worked on. So, they do

3178
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:56,000
show that we both worked on. So, they do
 

3179
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,670
show that we both worked on. So, they do
some research on her and they realize

3180
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:57,680
some research on her and they realize
 

3181
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,510
some research on her and they realize
she was on the show when she was a minor

3182
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:59,520
she was on the show when she was a minor
 

3183
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,309
she was on the show when she was a minor
and they're like, "Hey, did you did you

3184
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:02,319
and they're like, "Hey, did you did you
 

3185
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:03,670
and they're like, "Hey, did you did you
meet her when she was like a kid or

3186
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:03,680
meet her when she was like a kid or
 

3187
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,870
meet her when she was like a kid or
something like that?" He's like, "Well,

3188
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:04,880
something like that?" He's like, "Well,
 

3189
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,349
something like that?" He's like, "Well,
yeah." And you then you have to go into

3190
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:07,359
yeah." And you then you have to go into
 

3191
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,190
yeah." And you then you have to go into
a whole explanation about how you met

3192
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:09,200
a whole explanation about how you met
 

3193
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,950
a whole explanation about how you met
your wife when she was a child and how

3194
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:10,960
your wife when she was a child and how
 

3195
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,870
your wife when she was a child and how
it's totally not weird. That the

3196
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:12,880
it's totally not weird. That the
 

3197
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,510
it's totally not weird. That the
logistics of that I me personally, I

3198
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:15,520
logistics of that I me personally, I
 

3199
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,390
logistics of that I me personally, I
wouldn't want to be put in that

3200
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:16,400
wouldn't want to be put in that
 

3201
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,870
wouldn't want to be put in that
situation where I have to explain that

3202
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:18,880
situation where I have to explain that
 

3203
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,950
situation where I have to explain that
how I met my wife as a kid. That's

3204
01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:20,960
how I met my wife as a kid. That's
 

3205
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:21,430
how I met my wife as a kid. That's
weird.

3206
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:21,440
weird.
 

3207
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,150
weird.
>> I agree. The logistics of that are very

3208
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:24,160
>> I agree. The logistics of that are very
 

3209
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,950
>> I agree. The logistics of that are very
like crazy. But for me, the the thing is

3210
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:26,960
like crazy. But for me, the the thing is
 

3211
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,750
like crazy. But for me, the the thing is
like I also I don't have a huge problem

3212
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:29,760
like I also I don't have a huge problem
 

3213
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,150
like I also I don't have a huge problem
with age gap relationships either. I

3214
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:32,160
with age gap relationships either. I
 

3215
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,430
with age gap relationships either. I
don't want to be in one,

3216
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:33,440
don't want to be in one,
 

3217
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,750
don't want to be in one,
>> but but like that's not even like the

3218
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:35,760
>> but but like that's not even like the
 

3219
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,789
>> but but like that's not even like the
problem. Like the problem is that he was

3220
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:38,799
problem. Like the problem is that he was
 

3221
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,109
problem. Like the problem is that he was
hanging out with his minor that he later

3222
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:41,119
hanging out with his minor that he later
 

3223
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,109
hanging out with his minor that he later
got into a relationship with.

3224
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:43,119
got into a relationship with.
 

3225
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,670
got into a relationship with.
>> Mhm. Um

3226
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:45,680
>> Mhm. Um
 

3227
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,270
>> Mhm. Um
because the there is an undeveloped mind

3228
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:49,280
because the there is an undeveloped mind
 

3229
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,309
because the there is an undeveloped mind
around someone constantly

3230
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:52,319
around someone constantly
 

3231
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:53,829
around someone constantly
subconsciously

3232
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:53,839
subconsciously
 

3233
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:56,710
subconsciously
whether intentional by Griffin or not

3234
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:56,720
whether intentional by Griffin or not
 

3235
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,390
whether intentional by Griffin or not
that person is developing around them.

3236
01:07:00,390 --> 01:07:00,400
that person is developing around them.
 

3237
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,910
that person is developing around them.
>> Mhm.

3238
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:01,920
>> Mhm.
 

3239
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,910
>> Mhm.
>> And that doesn't ju just because the

3240
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:05,920
>> And that doesn't ju just because the
 

3241
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,990
>> And that doesn't ju just because the
person is okay with it doesn't mean it

3242
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:08,000
person is okay with it doesn't mean it
 

3243
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,190
person is okay with it doesn't mean it
isn't real. Like if if we start saying

3244
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:11,200
isn't real. Like if if we start saying
 

3245
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,109
isn't real. Like if if we start saying
that it was all right, that it's

3246
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:13,119
that it was all right, that it's
 

3247
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,510
that it was all right, that it's
implying that it was consensual and that

3248
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:15,520
implying that it was consensual and that
 

3249
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,549
implying that it was consensual and that
also minors can consent, which is not

3250
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:18,559
also minors can consent, which is not
 

3251
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:20,309
also minors can consent, which is not
something that I think most people would

3252
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:20,319
something that I think most people would
 

3253
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:21,990
something that I think most people would
agree with. But you they're not

3254
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:22,000
agree with. But you they're not
 

3255
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,069
agree with. But you they're not
dissecting it enough in my personal

3256
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:24,079
dissecting it enough in my personal
 

3257
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,870
dissecting it enough in my personal
opinion. They're not looking into like

3258
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:26,880
opinion. They're not looking into like
 

3259
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,510
opinion. They're not looking into like
the implications of being okay with all

3260
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:29,520
the implications of being okay with all
 

3261
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:30,230
the implications of being okay with all
of this,

3262
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:30,240
of this,
 

3263
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:30,549
of this,
>> right?

3264
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:30,559
>> right?
 

3265
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,029
>> right?
>> And it wasn't just like a once or twice

3266
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:33,039
>> And it wasn't just like a once or twice
 

3267
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,510
>> And it wasn't just like a once or twice
they knew they hung out um when she was

3268
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:35,520
they knew they hung out um when she was
 

3269
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,230
they knew they hung out um when she was
a kid. She was around her constantly,

3270
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:38,240
a kid. She was around her constantly,
 

3271
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,470
a kid. She was around her constantly,
talking to her constantly for years

3272
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:40,480
talking to her constantly for years
 

3273
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,710
talking to her constantly for years
before she was legal.

3274
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:42,720
before she was legal.
 

3275
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,390
before she was legal.
>> And I don't even think that the moment

3276
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:44,400
>> And I don't even think that the moment
 

3277
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,309
>> And I don't even think that the moment
she becomes legal, it becomes okay

3278
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:46,319
she becomes legal, it becomes okay
 

3279
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:49,670
she becomes legal, it becomes okay
either. Um,

3280
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:49,680
either. Um,
 

3281
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,950
either. Um,
he was a he was 24 when she met him and

3282
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:54,960
he was a he was 24 when she met him and
 

3283
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,789
he was a he was 24 when she met him and
she wouldn't be legal for another like 3

3284
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:58,799
she wouldn't be legal for another like 3
 

3285
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:00,390
she wouldn't be legal for another like 3
to four years.

3286
01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:00,400
to four years.
 

3287
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,750
to four years.
>> Mhm.

3288
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:01,760
>> Mhm.
 

3289
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,349
>> Mhm.
And during those three to four years,

3290
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:05,359
And during those three to four years,
 

3291
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:07,670
And during those three to four years,
he he was tickling her, taking her

3292
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:07,680
he he was tickling her, taking her
 

3293
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,190
he he was tickling her, taking her
privately to the woods. Uh he was joking

3294
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:11,200
privately to the woods. Uh he was joking
 

3295
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,990
privately to the woods. Uh he was joking
about kissing her. He was

3296
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:14,000
about kissing her. He was
 

3297
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,589
about kissing her. He was
I don't think any of these things should

3298
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:15,599
I don't think any of these things should
 

3299
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:18,550
I don't think any of these things should
have happened. But even if they didn't,

3300
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:18,560
have happened. But even if they didn't,
 

3301
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,110
have happened. But even if they didn't,
just being around a minor,

3302
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:23,120
just being around a minor,
 

3303
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,550
just being around a minor,
I feel like it should dis it should make

3304
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:26,560
I feel like it should dis it should make
 

3305
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,789
I feel like it should dis it should make
her not an option in his mind,

3306
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:28,799
her not an option in his mind,
 

3307
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:31,189
her not an option in his mind,
>> right? for dating ever.

3308
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:31,199
>> right? for dating ever.
 

3309
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:31,669
>> right? for dating ever.
>> Mhm.

3310
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:31,679
>> Mhm.
 

3311
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:36,550
>> Mhm.
>> Because she grew up like she saw her

3312
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:36,560
>> Because she grew up like she saw her
 

3313
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,749
>> Because she grew up like she saw her
develop.

3314
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:37,759
develop.
 

3315
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:38,309
develop.
>> Mhm.

3316
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:38,319
>> Mhm.
 

3317
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,510
>> Mhm.
>> And it's it feels weird to even say that

3318
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:41,520
>> And it's it feels weird to even say that
 

3319
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,430
>> And it's it feels weird to even say that
because

3320
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:43,440
because
 

3321
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,669
because
you the the changes are drastic at that

3322
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:45,679
you the the changes are drastic at that
 

3323
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:49,669
you the the changes are drastic at that
age. Like I I don't I can't imagine what

3324
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:49,679
age. Like I I don't I can't imagine what
 

3325
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,910
age. Like I I don't I can't imagine what
going what's going on in his mind.

3326
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:51,920
going what's going on in his mind.
 

3327
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,189
going what's going on in his mind.
>> Yeah.

3328
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:53,199
>> Yeah.
 

3329
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:53,829
>> Yeah.
Um,

3330
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:53,839
Um,
 

3331
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:56,149
Um,
>> it's definitely very odd to imagine like

3332
01:08:56,149 --> 01:08:56,159
>> it's definitely very odd to imagine like
 

3333
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,149
>> it's definitely very odd to imagine like
growing up and watching your wife grow

3334
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:58,159
growing up and watching your wife grow
 

3335
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,950
growing up and watching your wife grow
up, you know? Yeah. It's just it's just

3336
01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:00,960
up, you know? Yeah. It's just it's just
 

3337
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,030
up, you know? Yeah. It's just it's just
it's very odd. And the thing is, if your

3338
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:03,040
it's very odd. And the thing is, if your
 

3339
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,550
it's very odd. And the thing is, if your
accusation is just like this is the

3340
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:04,560
accusation is just like this is the
 

3341
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,189
accusation is just like this is the
weird a weird [\h__\h] relationship, I

3342
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:07,199
weird a weird [\h__\h] relationship, I
 

3343
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:08,149
weird a weird [\h__\h] relationship, I
don't think most people would

3344
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:08,159
don't think most people would
 

3345
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:10,229
don't think most people would
necessarily disagree with you.

3346
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:10,239
necessarily disagree with you.
 

3347
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,390
necessarily disagree with you.
>> Uh I I think most people would be like,

3348
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:12,400
>> Uh I I think most people would be like,
 

3349
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,229
>> Uh I I think most people would be like,
"Yeah, you're probably right." But I

3350
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:14,239
"Yeah, you're probably right." But I
 

3351
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:15,669
"Yeah, you're probably right." But I
think it's like once you bring in

3352
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:15,679
think it's like once you bring in
 

3353
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:17,269
think it's like once you bring in
grooming into it and then Claire's like,

3354
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:17,279
grooming into it and then Claire's like,
 

3355
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,030
grooming into it and then Claire's like,
"No, I promise this isn't grooming. I'm

3356
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:19,040
"No, I promise this isn't grooming. I'm
 

3357
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,749
"No, I promise this isn't grooming. I'm
fine." Uh, but the narrative still is

3358
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:21,759
fine." Uh, but the narrative still is
 

3359
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:24,950
fine." Uh, but the narrative still is
that. Anyways, it I I think it rubs

3360
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:24,960
that. Anyways, it I I think it rubs
 

3361
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,309
that. Anyways, it I I think it rubs
people the wrong way. I think people

3362
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:26,319
people the wrong way. I think people
 

3363
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:27,349
people the wrong way. I think people
should be like, "We should probably just

3364
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:27,359
should be like, "We should probably just
 

3365
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,269
should be like, "We should probably just
listen to Michelle and Claire more." You

3366
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:29,279
listen to Michelle and Claire more." You
 

3367
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:30,229
listen to Michelle and Claire more." You
know what I mean?

3368
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:30,239
know what I mean?
 

3369
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:33,110
know what I mean?
>> I just don't think it matters what

3370
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:33,120
>> I just don't think it matters what
 

3371
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,430
>> I just don't think it matters what
people perceive it as. I think it more

3372
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:35,440
people perceive it as. I think it more
 

3373
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:37,030
people perceive it as. I think it more
matters what it is.

3374
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:37,040
matters what it is.
 

3375
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:37,349
matters what it is.
>> Mhm.

3376
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:37,359
>> Mhm.
 

3377
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,709
>> Mhm.
>> I I think that the situation was

3378
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:40,719
>> I I think that the situation was
 

3379
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:42,309
>> I I think that the situation was
inappropriate. Mhm.

3380
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:42,319
inappropriate. Mhm.
 

3381
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,149
inappropriate. Mhm.
>> I don't think many people would disagree

3382
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:44,159
>> I don't think many people would disagree
 

3383
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:47,510
>> I don't think many people would disagree
with that statement, but I I think the

3384
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:47,520
with that statement, but I I think the
 

3385
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,910
with that statement, but I I think the
reason why it was inappropriate is the

3386
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:49,920
reason why it was inappropriate is the
 

3387
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,510
reason why it was inappropriate is the
reason why it was grooming because this

3388
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:53,520
reason why it was grooming because this
 

3389
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,910
reason why it was grooming because this
child developed around in the in the

3390
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:57,920
child developed around in the in the
 

3391
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,270
child developed around in the in the
environment that he put her in.

3392
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:01,280
environment that he put her in.
 

3393
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,070
environment that he put her in.
>> Mhm.

3394
01:10:02,070 --> 01:10:02,080
>> Mhm.
 

3395
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,390
>> Mhm.
>> He is a an idol in this scenario. He's

3396
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:06,400
>> He is a an idol in this scenario. He's
 

3397
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,189
>> He is a an idol in this scenario. He's
someone that she can idolize. She can

3398
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:09,199
someone that she can idolize. She can
 

3399
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,709
someone that she can idolize. She can
see as this larger than life figure. Um

3400
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:12,719
see as this larger than life figure. Um
 

3401
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:15,270
see as this larger than life figure. Um
because she's still her her brain is

3402
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:15,280
because she's still her her brain is
 

3403
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,430
because she's still her her brain is
still forming. That's not me talking

3404
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:17,440
still forming. That's not me talking
 

3405
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:18,709
still forming. That's not me talking
about Claire. That's me talking about

3406
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:18,719
about Claire. That's me talking about
 

3407
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:20,630
about Claire. That's me talking about
anyone at this age. That's how they

3408
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:20,640
anyone at this age. That's how they
 

3409
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,070
anyone at this age. That's how they
that's how people work.

3410
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:22,080
that's how people work.
 

3411
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:22,470
that's how people work.
>> Mhm.

3412
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:22,480
>> Mhm.
 

3413
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,070
>> Mhm.
>> Uh the brain is not fully developed

3414
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:24,080
>> Uh the brain is not fully developed
 

3415
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,110
>> Uh the brain is not fully developed
until like 23 to 25 years.

3416
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:27,120
until like 23 to 25 years.
 

3417
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,350
until like 23 to 25 years.
>> Um and I'm not saying that people around

3418
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:29,360
>> Um and I'm not saying that people around
 

3419
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,590
>> Um and I'm not saying that people around
that age can't date. I'm just saying

3420
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:31,600
that age can't date. I'm just saying
 

3421
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,270
that age can't date. I'm just saying
they probably shouldn't be dating

3422
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:33,280
they probably shouldn't be dating
 

3423
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:40,390
they probably shouldn't be dating
someone that's way younger than that. Um

3424
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:40,400

 

3425
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,790

the the reason it's inappropriate isn't

3426
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:42,800
the the reason it's inappropriate isn't
 

3427
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,990
the the reason it's inappropriate isn't
because it's weird. It's inappropriate

3428
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:46,000
because it's weird. It's inappropriate
 

3429
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,510
because it's weird. It's inappropriate
because it's harmful.

3430
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:47,520
because it's harmful.
 

3431
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:48,149
because it's harmful.
>> Mhm.

3432
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:48,159
>> Mhm.
 

3433
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,669
>> Mhm.
>> And that harm is grooming.

3434
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:51,679
>> And that harm is grooming.
 

3435
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:55,030
>> And that harm is grooming.
I'm I'm I feel like I am dissecting the

3436
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:55,040
I'm I'm I feel like I am dissecting the
 

3437
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,630
I'm I'm I feel like I am dissecting the
reason it's a problem.

3438
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:56,640
reason it's a problem.
 

3439
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,910
reason it's a problem.
>> Mhm. I if it was just weird, that's not

3440
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:59,920
>> Mhm. I if it was just weird, that's not
 

3441
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,750
>> Mhm. I if it was just weird, that's not
harmful, I don't think.

3442
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:01,760
harmful, I don't think.
 

3443
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:02,070
harmful, I don't think.
>> Right.

3444
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:02,080
>> Right.
 

3445
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,550
>> Right.
>> I I don't have a problem with weird. I

3446
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:04,560
>> I I don't have a problem with weird. I
 

3447
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,430
>> I I don't have a problem with weird. I
have a problem with things that

3448
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:07,440
have a problem with things that
 

3449
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:12,149
have a problem with things that
shouldn't happen to anyone. Um,

3450
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:12,159
shouldn't happen to anyone. Um,
 

3451
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:15,030
shouldn't happen to anyone. Um,
and I feel like the more information

3452
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:15,040
and I feel like the more information
 

3453
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,189
and I feel like the more information
that comes out, because much more

3454
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:17,199
that comes out, because much more
 

3455
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:18,709
that comes out, because much more
recently,

3456
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:18,719
recently,
 

3457
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:22,709
recently,
um, we we had a a third person, uh, talk

3458
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:22,719
um, we we had a a third person, uh, talk
 

3459
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:27,030
um, we we had a a third person, uh, talk
about how he when when she was a child,

3460
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:27,040
about how he when when she was a child,
 

3461
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,590
about how he when when she was a child,
um, was flirting and being weird with

3462
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:29,600
um, was flirting and being weird with
 

3463
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:30,310
um, was flirting and being weird with
her.

3464
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:30,320
her.
 

3465
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,110
her.
>> Mhm.

3466
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:31,120
>> Mhm.
 

3467
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,709
>> Mhm.
>> Um,

3468
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:32,719
>> Um,
 

3469
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:35,110
>> Um,
this is outside of the Snapchat victim.

3470
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:35,120
this is outside of the Snapchat victim.
 

3471
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,510
this is outside of the Snapchat victim.
This is outside of Destiny and also

3472
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:37,520
This is outside of Destiny and also
 

3473
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,750
This is outside of Destiny and also
outside of the Deviant Art. uh person

3474
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:39,760
outside of the Deviant Art. uh person
 

3475
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:40,870
outside of the Deviant Art. uh person
that was found.

3476
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:40,880
that was found.
 

3477
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:41,430
that was found.
>> Okay.

3478
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:41,440
>> Okay.
 

3479
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:45,350
>> Okay.
>> Um her name is Dorothy. Um

3480
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:45,360
>> Um her name is Dorothy. Um
 

3481
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,590
>> Um her name is Dorothy. Um
>> I see. Okay.

3482
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:47,600
>> I see. Okay.
 

3483
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,590
>> I see. Okay.
>> Yeah, she's also in the document now.

3484
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:49,600
>> Yeah, she's also in the document now.
 

3485
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,270
>> Yeah, she's also in the document now.
She was added later, but she went

3486
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:51,280
She was added later, but she went
 

3487
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,189
She was added later, but she went
through his Deviant Art likes and

3488
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:53,199
through his Deviant Art likes and
 

3489
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:58,630
through his Deviant Art likes and
started finding um like Lai Con and um

3490
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:58,640
started finding um like Lai Con and um
 

3491
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,910
started finding um like Lai Con and um
Billy and Mandy porn of of Billy and

3492
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:01,920
Billy and Mandy porn of of Billy and
 

3493
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,830
Billy and Mandy porn of of Billy and
Mandy that he liked.

3494
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:03,840
Mandy that he liked.
 

3495
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,470
Mandy that he liked.
>> Mhm. Um there then there's the

3496
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:06,480
>> Mhm. Um there then there's the
 

3497
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:10,390
>> Mhm. Um there then there's the
situations with Destiny, Dorothy, uh Gil

3498
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:10,400
situations with Destiny, Dorothy, uh Gil
 

3499
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,149
situations with Destiny, Dorothy, uh Gil
on Deviant. I don't know how to

3500
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:12,159
on Deviant. I don't know how to
 

3501
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,910
on Deviant. I don't know how to
pronounce their username, honestly.

3502
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:13,920
pronounce their username, honestly.
 

3503
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,750
pronounce their username, honestly.
>> I thought it was Jai or something like

3504
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:15,760
>> I thought it was Jai or something like
 

3505
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,950
>> I thought it was Jai or something like
that. I don't know how to pronounce it

3506
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:16,960
that. I don't know how to pronounce it
 

3507
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:17,350
that. I don't know how to pronounce it
either.

3508
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:17,360
either.
 

3509
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,709
either.
>> Something like that.

3510
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:18,719
>> Something like that.
 

3511
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:21,189
>> Something like that.
>> I think she's like Asian. Like I thought

3512
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:21,199
>> I think she's like Asian. Like I thought
 

3513
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,350
>> I think she's like Asian. Like I thought
she was from like China or something. I

3514
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:23,360
she was from like China or something. I
 

3515
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:24,709
she was from like China or something. I
don't know. She said something about

3516
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:24,719
don't know. She said something about
 

3517
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:25,990
don't know. She said something about
being

3518
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:26,000
being
 

3519
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,149
being
>> Chinese or I whatever. It doesn't

3520
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:28,159
>> Chinese or I whatever. It doesn't
 

3521
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,030
>> Chinese or I whatever. It doesn't
matter. It doesn't matter. But yeah, but

3522
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:31,040
matter. It doesn't matter. But yeah, but
 

3523
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,910
matter. It doesn't matter. But yeah, but
all that and then also um

3524
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:35,920
all that and then also um
 

3525
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,350
all that and then also um
the what what happened with them

3526
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:39,360
the what what happened with them
 

3527
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,910
the what what happened with them
and even sure we don't have proof of

3528
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:43,920
and even sure we don't have proof of
 

3529
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,870
and even sure we don't have proof of
Destiny and the Snapchat victim getting

3530
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:46,880
Destiny and the Snapchat victim getting
 

3531
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,510
Destiny and the Snapchat victim getting
sent his penis like they allege. But we

3532
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:51,520
sent his penis like they allege. But we
 

3533
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,310
sent his penis like they allege. But we
do have proof that for at least one of

3534
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:54,320
do have proof that for at least one of
 

3535
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,550
do have proof that for at least one of
them he was messaging them

3536
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:56,560
them he was messaging them
 

3537
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,669
them he was messaging them
>> as when they were a minor,

3538
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:59,679
>> as when they were a minor,
 

3539
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:03,189
>> as when they were a minor,
which is already more than just weird, I

3540
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:03,199
which is already more than just weird, I
 

3541
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,750
which is already more than just weird, I
feel. Like, why is he having these

3542
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:05,760
feel. Like, why is he having these
 

3543
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,110
feel. Like, why is he having these
entire conversations in DMs with people

3544
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:09,120
entire conversations in DMs with people
 

3545
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,350
entire conversations in DMs with people
that aren't of age? And why are they

3546
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:11,360
that aren't of age? And why are they
 

3547
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,390
that aren't of age? And why are they
usually like female? Um, and then but my

3548
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:16,400
usually like female? Um, and then but my
 

3549
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,790
usually like female? Um, and then but my
point is there's even more situations

3550
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:18,800
point is there's even more situations
 

3551
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,830
point is there's even more situations
that keep coming out. um him arguing

3552
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:21,840
that keep coming out. um him arguing
 

3553
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,149
that keep coming out. um him arguing
that if he were to date Michelle at 16,

3554
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:24,159
that if he were to date Michelle at 16,
 

3555
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:25,990
that if he were to date Michelle at 16,
it would be legal.

3556
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:26,000
it would be legal.
 

3557
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,990
it would be legal.
>> Yeah, that was weird. That was weird.

3558
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:28,000
>> Yeah, that was weird. That was weird.
 

3559
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,590
>> Yeah, that was weird. That was weird.
That was objective. I'm like, "Yeah,

3560
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:29,600
That was objective. I'm like, "Yeah,
 

3561
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,790
That was objective. I'm like, "Yeah,
maybe you shouldn't have said that."

3562
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:30,800
maybe you shouldn't have said that."
 

3563
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:31,990
maybe you shouldn't have said that."
Especially if you were trying to be

3564
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:32,000
Especially if you were trying to be
 

3565
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,590
Especially if you were trying to be
like, "This is just my sister." I'm just

3566
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:33,600
like, "This is just my sister." I'm just
 

3567
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,510
like, "This is just my sister." I'm just
like, "Just end it at that.

3568
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:35,520
like, "Just end it at that.
 

3569
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,030
like, "Just end it at that.
>> That's fine." like

3570
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:37,040
>> That's fine." like
 

3571
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,870
>> That's fine." like
>> this is such a laundry list at this

3572
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:38,880
>> this is such a laundry list at this
 

3573
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,830
>> this is such a laundry list at this
point that I I think I'm pretty

3574
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:41,840
point that I I think I'm pretty
 

3575
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,990
point that I I think I'm pretty
justified in having

3576
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:46,000
justified in having
 

3577
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,229
justified in having
at least

3578
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:48,239
at least
 

3579
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:49,750
at least
I feel like I'm pretty justified in at

3580
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:49,760
I feel like I'm pretty justified in at
 

3581
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,470
I feel like I'm pretty justified in at
least me perceiving it as grooming at

3582
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:52,480
least me perceiving it as grooming at
 

3583
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,470
least me perceiving it as grooming at
this point. If someone disagrees with

3584
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:54,480
this point. If someone disagrees with
 

3585
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,510
this point. If someone disagrees with
me, I guess that's fine. I I personally

3586
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:57,520
me, I guess that's fine. I I personally
 

3587
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,750
me, I guess that's fine. I I personally
think that's harmful because I think it

3588
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:59,760
think that's harmful because I think it
 

3589
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,350
think that's harmful because I think it
kind of dismisses it in all

3590
01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:01,360
kind of dismisses it in all
 

3591
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,270
kind of dismisses it in all
circumstances with even other people if

3592
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:03,280
circumstances with even other people if
 

3593
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,870
circumstances with even other people if
they were to do something like that.

3594
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:04,880
they were to do something like that.
 

3595
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:05,590
they were to do something like that.
Mhm.

3596
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:05,600
Mhm.
 

3597
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,110
Mhm.
>> But

3598
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:07,120
>> But
 

3599
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,709
>> But
but I don't really think that people can

3600
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:10,719
but I don't really think that people can
 

3601
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:13,430
but I don't really think that people can
see me claiming all this with all of the

3602
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:13,440
see me claiming all this with all of the
 

3603
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,669
see me claiming all this with all of the
information that we have now

3604
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:15,679
information that we have now
 

3605
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:18,790
information that we have now
>> and go, "You're way out of line. This is

3606
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:18,800
>> and go, "You're way out of line. This is
 

3607
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,510
>> and go, "You're way out of line. This is
clearly not that." Because there's just

3608
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:21,520
clearly not that." Because there's just
 

3609
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,790
clearly not that." Because there's just
so much. It just goes on and on. Like I

3610
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:24,800
so much. It just goes on and on. Like I
 

3611
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,189
so much. It just goes on and on. Like I
I feel like I was rambling and all I was

3612
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:27,199
I feel like I was rambling and all I was
 

3613
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:29,590
I feel like I was rambling and all I was
doing was giving cliff notes of some of

3614
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:29,600
doing was giving cliff notes of some of
 

3615
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,350
doing was giving cliff notes of some of
the things that he's done.

3616
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:31,360
the things that he's done.
 

3617
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:32,870
the things that he's done.
>> Mhm.

3618
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:32,880
>> Mhm.
 

3619
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,390
>> Mhm.
I mean, if I ever need to know what

3620
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:34,400
I mean, if I ever need to know what
 

3621
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,149
I mean, if I ever need to know what
exactly what he's done, I do have the

3622
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:36,159
exactly what he's done, I do have the
 

3623
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:38,390
exactly what he's done, I do have the
document pulled up. So,

3624
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:38,400
document pulled up. So,
 

3625
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,990
document pulled up. So,
>> and then there's all the the times where

3626
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:40,000
>> and then there's all the the times where
 

3627
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,270
>> and then there's all the the times where
he and others have lied on his behalf.

3628
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:43,280
he and others have lied on his behalf.
 

3629
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,350
he and others have lied on his behalf.
Like, they know the situation, but

3630
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:45,360
Like, they know the situation, but
 

3631
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,110
Like, they know the situation, but
they're lying anyways. Why would they do

3632
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:47,120
they're lying anyways. Why would they do
 

3633
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,070
they're lying anyways. Why would they do
that?

3634
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:48,080
that?
 

3635
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:48,950
that?
>> Mhm.

3636
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:48,960
>> Mhm.
 

3637
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,110
>> Mhm.
>> Um, and then is the legal threats. He

3638
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:51,120
>> Um, and then is the legal threats. He
 

3639
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,350
>> Um, and then is the legal threats. He
threatened me. He threatened Destiny.

3640
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:53,360
threatened me. He threatened Destiny.
 

3641
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,830
threatened me. He threatened Destiny.
Um, and in both circumstances, nothing

3642
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:55,840
Um, and in both circumstances, nothing
 

3643
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,830
Um, and in both circumstances, nothing
came of it. Um, we both ignored them.

3644
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:59,840
came of it. Um, we both ignored them.
 

3645
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,430
came of it. Um, we both ignored them.
She was given multiple different

3646
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:01,440
She was given multiple different
 

3647
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,669
She was given multiple different
deadlines that passed. They came and

3648
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:03,679
deadlines that passed. They came and
 

3649
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:07,030
deadlines that passed. They came and
went and nothing happened.

3650
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:07,040
went and nothing happened.
 

3651
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,070
went and nothing happened.
>> Um, and he has sent legal threats to

3652
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:10,080
>> Um, and he has sent legal threats to
 

3653
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,149
>> Um, and he has sent legal threats to
other people. Uh, the whole reason that

3654
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:12,159
other people. Uh, the whole reason that
 

3655
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,950
other people. Uh, the whole reason that
Wootmaster dropped him is because of

3656
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:14,960
Wootmaster dropped him is because of
 

3657
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,669
Wootmaster dropped him is because of
getting a legal threat. Uh, and it

3658
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:17,679
getting a legal threat. Uh, and it
 

3659
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:20,149
getting a legal threat. Uh, and it
worked. Uh, Woot stopped talking about

3660
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:20,159
worked. Uh, Woot stopped talking about
 

3661
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:21,430
worked. Uh, Woot stopped talking about
him. Mhm.

3662
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:21,440
him. Mhm.
 

3663
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,030
him. Mhm.
>> Um

3664
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:23,040
>> Um
 

3665
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,310
>> Um
I that's not a circumstance where it's

3666
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:26,320
I that's not a circumstance where it's
 

3667
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,229
I that's not a circumstance where it's
proven that he threatened someone else

3668
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:28,239
proven that he threatened someone else
 

3669
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:30,310
proven that he threatened someone else
and then nothing came of it because

3670
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:30,320
and then nothing came of it because
 

3671
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,669
and then nothing came of it because
obviously they dropped it which means

3672
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:33,679
obviously they dropped it which means
 

3673
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:35,669
obviously they dropped it which means
they went along with the threat which

3674
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:35,679
they went along with the threat which
 

3675
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:39,990
they went along with the threat which
means you know the what what was argued

3676
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:40,000
means you know the what what was argued
 

3677
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,750
means you know the what what was argued
that they needed to do or else they'd

3678
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:41,760
that they needed to do or else they'd
 

3679
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,709
that they needed to do or else they'd
get into legal trouble happened. But

3680
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:44,719
get into legal trouble happened. But
 

3681
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:47,350
get into legal trouble happened. But
it's an another example of this is the

3682
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:47,360
it's an another example of this is the
 

3683
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,550
it's an another example of this is the
response, but every time that response

3684
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:50,560
response, but every time that response
 

3685
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,030
response, but every time that response
isn't met, it doesn't change anything.

3686
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:53,040
isn't met, it doesn't change anything.
 

3687
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,030
isn't met, it doesn't change anything.
And I feel like if it was real, it would

3688
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:55,040
And I feel like if it was real, it would
 

3689
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,149
And I feel like if it was real, it would
have changed something.

3690
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:56,159
have changed something.
 

3691
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:57,990
have changed something.
>> I mean, you know, people kind of send

3692
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:58,000
>> I mean, you know, people kind of send
 

3693
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,669
>> I mean, you know, people kind of send
empty threats all the time. I mean, the

3694
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:59,679
empty threats all the time. I mean, the
 

3695
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:01,030
empty threats all the time. I mean, the
only thing that I can talk about in

3696
01:16:01,030 --> 01:16:01,040
only thing that I can talk about in
 

3697
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,870
only thing that I can talk about in
terms of like the Snapchat thing is that

3698
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:02,880
terms of like the Snapchat thing is that
 

3699
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,870
terms of like the Snapchat thing is that
that was kind a very common thing for a

3700
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:04,880
that was kind a very common thing for a
 

3701
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,550
that was kind a very common thing for a
lot of creators back then, especially in

3702
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:06,560
lot of creators back then, especially in
 

3703
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,110
lot of creators back then, especially in
2016 to like set up Snapchats and like

3704
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:09,120
2016 to like set up Snapchats and like
 

3705
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,350
2016 to like set up Snapchats and like
talk to fans. I know that like other

3706
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:11,360
talk to fans. I know that like other
 

3707
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:13,350
talk to fans. I know that like other
people in the anti-SJW sphere used to do

3708
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:13,360
people in the anti-SJW sphere used to do
 

3709
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,390
people in the anti-SJW sphere used to do
that too like and also you know Andy

3710
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:16,400
that too like and also you know Andy
 

3711
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,550
that too like and also you know Andy
Stein did it and we all know how that

3712
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:18,560
Stein did it and we all know how that
 

3713
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,910
Stein did it and we all know how that
ended I suppose.

3714
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:19,920
ended I suppose.
 

3715
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,590
ended I suppose.
>> Well that's the thing like Snapchat

3716
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:21,600
>> Well that's the thing like Snapchat
 

3717
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,149
>> Well that's the thing like Snapchat
feels like it was designed for this kind

3718
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:24,159
feels like it was designed for this kind
 

3719
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:26,870
feels like it was designed for this kind
of thing like a lot of predators used it

3720
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:26,880
of thing like a lot of predators used it
 

3721
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,709
of thing like a lot of predators used it
because of how DMs would be deleted

3722
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:30,719
because of how DMs would be deleted
 

3723
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:33,189
because of how DMs would be deleted
>> um like automatically.

3724
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:33,199
>> um like automatically.
 

3725
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,110
>> um like automatically.
Um,

3726
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:35,120
Um,
 

3727
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,750
Um,
and also the just the circle of friends

3728
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:37,760
and also the just the circle of friends
 

3729
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,870
and also the just the circle of friends
like also having all this other [\h__\h] to

3730
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:40,880
like also having all this other [\h__\h] to
 

3731
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,750
like also having all this other [\h__\h] to
them. Like it ju it just it feels like

3732
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:43,760
them. Like it ju it just it feels like
 

3733
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,709
them. Like it ju it just it feels like
an overwhelming amount of information.

3734
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:46,719
an overwhelming amount of information.
 

3735
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,189
an overwhelming amount of information.
Um, to the point where it it kind of

3736
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:49,199
Um, to the point where it it kind of
 

3737
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,189
Um, to the point where it it kind of
baffles me when people are very heavily

3738
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:53,199
baffles me when people are very heavily
 

3739
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:56,229
baffles me when people are very heavily
against the idea that anything happened.

3740
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:56,239
against the idea that anything happened.
 

3741
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,070
against the idea that anything happened.
>> Yeah. I I feel like you can definitely

3742
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:58,080
>> Yeah. I I feel like you can definitely
 

3743
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,350
>> Yeah. I I feel like you can definitely
point to some things to be like, "Hey,

3744
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:59,360
point to some things to be like, "Hey,
 

3745
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,070
point to some things to be like, "Hey,
that's kind of shitty." you know, like

3746
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:02,080
that's kind of shitty." you know, like
 

3747
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,030
that's kind of shitty." you know, like
to completely dismiss it outright. I I

3748
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:05,040
to completely dismiss it outright. I I
 

3749
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,470
to completely dismiss it outright. I I
think it's just like you're not looking

3750
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:06,480
think it's just like you're not looking
 

3751
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,470
think it's just like you're not looking
into the into the bigger picture of it,

3752
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:08,480
into the into the bigger picture of it,
 

3753
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:09,990
into the into the bigger picture of it,
I suppose. Like there are some things in

3754
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:10,000
I suppose. Like there are some things in
 

3755
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,630
I suppose. Like there are some things in
here that are criticizable. Like I can't

3756
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:12,640
here that are criticizable. Like I can't
 

3757
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,870
here that are criticizable. Like I can't
disagree with you on that. I mean,

3758
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:14,880
disagree with you on that. I mean,
 

3759
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,470
disagree with you on that. I mean,
people will just interpret the different

3760
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:16,480
people will just interpret the different
 

3761
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,310
people will just interpret the different
the information differently, I suppose,

3762
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:18,320
the information differently, I suppose,
 

3763
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,990
the information differently, I suppose,
is the main thing is like will people

3764
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:20,000
is the main thing is like will people
 

3765
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,470
is the main thing is like will people
see this as a big deal or not? Like you

3766
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:22,480
see this as a big deal or not? Like you
 

3767
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,189
see this as a big deal or not? Like you
know, Twitter likes, will they consider

3768
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:25,199
know, Twitter likes, will they consider
 

3769
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,350
know, Twitter likes, will they consider
that, you know, a big deal or not? Will

3770
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:27,360
that, you know, a big deal or not? Will
 

3771
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,870
that, you know, a big deal or not? Will
they consider talking to fans on

3772
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:28,880
they consider talking to fans on
 

3773
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,470
they consider talking to fans on
Snapchat when everyone was doing that

3774
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:30,480
Snapchat when everyone was doing that
 

3775
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,149
Snapchat when everyone was doing that
back then a big deal or not? You know

3776
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:32,159
back then a big deal or not? You know
 

3777
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,669
back then a big deal or not? You know
what I mean? Like it's like how how

3778
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:35,679
what I mean? Like it's like how how
 

3779
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:37,189
what I mean? Like it's like how how
severe is it to some people in

3780
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:37,199
severe is it to some people in
 

3781
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:39,510
severe is it to some people in
comparison to others? I suppose.

3782
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:39,520
comparison to others? I suppose.
 

3783
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,950
comparison to others? I suppose.
>> Yeah. I It's just that when someone is

3784
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:42,960
>> Yeah. I It's just that when someone is
 

3785
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,229
>> Yeah. I It's just that when someone is
defending him so strongly, it leads me

3786
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:46,239
defending him so strongly, it leads me
 

3787
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,189
defending him so strongly, it leads me
to believe that they don't want to

3788
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:51,199
to believe that they don't want to
 

3789
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:54,550
to believe that they don't want to
believe anything else.

3790
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:54,560
believe anything else.
 

3791
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,990
believe anything else.
They like they they are trying to change

3792
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:58,000
They like they they are trying to change
 

3793
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,189
They like they they are trying to change
people's perspective for more nefarious

3794
01:18:01,189 --> 01:18:01,199
people's perspective for more nefarious
 

3795
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,870
people's perspective for more nefarious
reasons.

3796
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:02,880
reasons.
 

3797
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,149
reasons.
>> Fair enough.

3798
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:04,159
>> Fair enough.
 

3799
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,550
>> Fair enough.
>> Because not because like I am the

3800
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:06,560
>> Because not because like I am the
 

3801
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,550
>> Because not because like I am the
arbiter of justice or whatever, but

3802
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:08,560
arbiter of justice or whatever, but
 

3803
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,110
arbiter of justice or whatever, but
because there's just so much information

3804
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:11,120
because there's just so much information
 

3805
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,229
because there's just so much information
for for it all to be handwaved under

3806
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:14,239
for for it all to be handwaved under
 

3807
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,270
for for it all to be handwaved under
this isn't a lie. It seems like a

3808
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:17,280
this isn't a lie. It seems like a
 

3809
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,709
this isn't a lie. It seems like a
blatant lie to me.

3810
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:18,719
blatant lie to me.
 

3811
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:21,430
blatant lie to me.
>> Mhm. either they didn't look at it or

3812
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:21,440
>> Mhm. either they didn't look at it or
 

3813
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,310
>> Mhm. either they didn't look at it or
they're purposely trying to dismiss it.

3814
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:24,320
they're purposely trying to dismiss it.
 

3815
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,350
they're purposely trying to dismiss it.
>> Gotcha. So, what are your thoughts and

3816
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:27,360
>> Gotcha. So, what are your thoughts and
 

3817
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,950
>> Gotcha. So, what are your thoughts and
opinions of me being involved in all

3818
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:28,960
opinions of me being involved in all
 

3819
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,110
opinions of me being involved in all
this personally? Like, I know we talked

3820
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:31,120
this personally? Like, I know we talked
 

3821
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,669
this personally? Like, I know we talked
about the video a little bit, but like I

3822
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:33,679
about the video a little bit, but like I
 

3823
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:36,149
about the video a little bit, but like I
you've there's been some posts, I

3824
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:36,159
you've there's been some posts, I
 

3825
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,709
you've there's been some posts, I
suppose, on the Brony Fandode account

3826
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:38,719
suppose, on the Brony Fandode account
 

3827
01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:41,669
suppose, on the Brony Fandode account
calling me just the drama YouTuber. And

3828
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:41,679
calling me just the drama YouTuber. And
 

3829
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,590
calling me just the drama YouTuber. And
just to clarify, like I I I get the

3830
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:43,600
just to clarify, like I I I get the
 

3831
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,350
just to clarify, like I I I get the
perception of that. Trust me, I do. I'm

3832
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:45,360
perception of that. Trust me, I do. I'm
 

3833
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,630
perception of that. Trust me, I do. I'm
not like being like, "Why'd you call me

3834
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:46,640
not like being like, "Why'd you call me
 

3835
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,870
not like being like, "Why'd you call me
a drama?" Like, I get it. But most of

3836
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:48,880
a drama?" Like, I get it. But most of
 

3837
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,149
a drama?" Like, I get it. But most of
the time when I make videos, it's just

3838
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:50,159
the time when I make videos, it's just
 

3839
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,229
the time when I make videos, it's just
[\h__\h] I hyperfocus on. Like it's my

3840
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:52,239
[\h__\h] I hyperfocus on. Like it's my
 

3841
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:54,470
[\h__\h] I hyperfocus on. Like it's my
hyperfixation the channel. It's like

3842
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:54,480
hyperfixation the channel. It's like
 

3843
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,470
hyperfixation the channel. It's like
what what interests me this week, you

3844
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:56,480
what what interests me this week, you
 

3845
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:59,510
what what interests me this week, you
know, kind of thing. So I just wanted to

3846
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:59,520
know, kind of thing. So I just wanted to
 

3847
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,990
know, kind of thing. So I just wanted to
get a read on whether or not we hate

3848
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:02,000
get a read on whether or not we hate
 

3849
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,910
get a read on whether or not we hate
each other or not. You know what I mean?

3850
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:03,920
each other or not. You know what I mean?
 

3851
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:04,709
each other or not. You know what I mean?
Like what's

3852
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:04,719
Like what's
 

3853
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:08,229
Like what's
>> I I don't I don't hate you. Um I don't

3854
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:08,239
>> I I don't I don't hate you. Um I don't
 

3855
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:10,630
>> I I don't I don't hate you. Um I don't
even necess So I don't even necessarily

3856
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:10,640
even necess So I don't even necessarily
 

3857
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,550
even necess So I don't even necessarily
dislike you. I don't really know you.

3858
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:12,560
dislike you. I don't really know you.
 

3859
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,550
dislike you. I don't really know you.
>> Fair enough to be perfectly honest. Um

3860
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:14,560
>> Fair enough to be perfectly honest. Um
 

3861
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,870
>> Fair enough to be perfectly honest. Um
>> fair enough. It's just

3862
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:18,880
>> fair enough. It's just
 

3863
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,470
>> fair enough. It's just
the initial video that you put out uh

3864
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:22,480
the initial video that you put out uh
 

3865
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,430
the initial video that you put out uh
said a lot of things about me that was

3866
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:25,440
said a lot of things about me that was
 

3867
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,750
said a lot of things about me that was
pedled by Bill the Billy Bustup

3868
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:27,760
pedled by Bill the Billy Bustup
 

3869
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:28,470
pedled by Bill the Billy Bustup
document.

3870
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:28,480
document.
 

3871
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:28,870
document.
>> Mhm.

3872
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:28,880
>> Mhm.
 

3873
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,669
>> Mhm.
>> Which you in your video

3874
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:31,679
>> Which you in your video
 

3875
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:34,950
>> Which you in your video
called out for lying, but you didn't

3876
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:34,960
called out for lying, but you didn't
 

3877
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,830
called out for lying, but you didn't
seem to do a whole lot of research on if

3878
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:37,840
seem to do a whole lot of research on if
 

3879
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,470
seem to do a whole lot of research on if
the lies if the things or the things

3880
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:40,480
the lies if the things or the things
 

3881
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:43,669
the lies if the things or the things
said about me had any truth to them or

3882
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:43,679
said about me had any truth to them or
 

3883
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:46,630
said about me had any truth to them or
not. and you and you kind of g gave a

3884
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:46,640
not. and you and you kind of g gave a
 

3885
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,870
not. and you and you kind of g gave a
rundown of them uncritically. I felt um

3886
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:50,880
rundown of them uncritically. I felt um
 

3887
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,350
rundown of them uncritically. I felt um
and I I feel like there's a lot of very

3888
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:53,360
and I I feel like there's a lot of very
 

3889
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,669
and I I feel like there's a lot of very
easy information where I I personally

3890
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:57,679
easy information where I I personally
 

3891
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:01,750
easy information where I I personally
give rebuttals and and site give

3892
01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:01,760
give rebuttals and and site give
 

3893
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,390
give rebuttals and and site give
citations for why these things are just

3894
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:04,400
citations for why these things are just
 

3895
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,470
citations for why these things are just
out of context or lying that would for

3896
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:08,480
out of context or lying that would for
 

3897
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,390
out of context or lying that would for
someone making a video on this wouldn't

3898
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:10,400
someone making a video on this wouldn't
 

3899
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,149
someone making a video on this wouldn't
have been hard to find

3900
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:12,159
have been hard to find
 

3901
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:13,430
have been hard to find
>> because I I I was putting that

3902
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:13,440
>> because I I I was putting that
 

3903
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:17,510
>> because I I I was putting that
information out so people would learn

3904
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:17,520
information out so people would learn
 

3905
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,709
information out so people would learn
and if it it felt like I wasn't given a

3906
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:20,719
and if it it felt like I wasn't given a
 

3907
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:24,470
and if it it felt like I wasn't given a
lot of due diligence. I was waved away.

3908
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:24,480
lot of due diligence. I was waved away.
 

3909
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,070
lot of due diligence. I was waved away.
Um

3910
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:26,080
Um
 

3911
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,870
Um
even though like you already knew that

3912
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:28,880
even though like you already knew that
 

3913
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,189
even though like you already knew that
the the word they were taking this from

3914
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:31,199
the the word they were taking this from
 

3915
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,270
the the word they were taking this from
wasn't trustworthy.

3916
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:33,280
wasn't trustworthy.
 

3917
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,870
wasn't trustworthy.
Um

3918
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:34,880
Um
 

3919
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,910
Um
to give at least one example like um

3920
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:37,920
to give at least one example like um
 

3921
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,709
to give at least one example like um
they were calling me a 4channer and I've

3922
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:40,719
they were calling me a 4channer and I've
 

3923
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,149
they were calling me a 4channer and I've
never used 4chan. They didn't really

3924
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:42,159
never used 4chan. They didn't really
 

3925
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:46,310
never used 4chan. They didn't really
have any evidence of me using 4chan. Um,

3926
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:46,320
have any evidence of me using 4chan. Um,
 

3927
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,189
have any evidence of me using 4chan. Um,
and they uh they cited the screw ball

3928
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:49,199
and they uh they cited the screw ball
 

3929
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:50,870
and they uh they cited the screw ball
account and things that were said on

3930
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:50,880
account and things that were said on
 

3931
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,430
account and things that were said on
that, but they don't specify that I was

3932
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:53,440
that, but they don't specify that I was
 

3933
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:56,390
that, but they don't specify that I was
a minor at the time, that this was a

3934
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:56,400
a minor at the time, that this was a
 

3935
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,669
a minor at the time, that this was a
decade and a half ago. Um,

3936
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:59,679
decade and a half ago. Um,
 

3937
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:01,590
decade and a half ago. Um,
they don't

3938
01:21:01,590 --> 01:21:01,600
they don't
 

3939
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,590
they don't
they they don't want that to be the

3940
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:03,600
they they don't want that to be the
 

3941
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,590
they they don't want that to be the
narrative. So when when you

3942
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:07,600
narrative. So when when you
 

3943
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,470
narrative. So when when you
when when you put out stuff like that

3944
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:10,480
when when you put out stuff like that
 

3945
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,910
when when you put out stuff like that
uncritically, it kind of made me wonder

3946
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:13,920
uncritically, it kind of made me wonder
 

3947
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,870
uncritically, it kind of made me wonder
like how much about this do you really

3948
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:16,880
like how much about this do you really
 

3949
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,870
like how much about this do you really
care about in terms of like is this just

3950
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:20,880
care about in terms of like is this just
 

3951
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,430
care about in terms of like is this just
content or or even if it's not? Are you

3952
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:25,440
content or or even if it's not? Are you
 

3953
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,550
content or or even if it's not? Are you
being driven more by wanting to help

3954
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:28,560
being driven more by wanting to help
 

3955
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,229
being driven more by wanting to help
people or wanting to criticize whoever

3956
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:32,239
people or wanting to criticize whoever
 

3957
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:37,350
people or wanting to criticize whoever
you feel needs to be criticized? Um,

3958
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:37,360
you feel needs to be criticized? Um,
 

3959
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:41,030
you feel needs to be criticized? Um,
and and it did leave a bad taste in my

3960
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:41,040
and and it did leave a bad taste in my
 

3961
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,590
and and it did leave a bad taste in my
mouth cuz it it you you are a big

3962
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:43,600
mouth cuz it it you you are a big
 

3963
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,790
mouth cuz it it you you are a big
YouTuber and I felt like I had gotten a

3964
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:46,800
YouTuber and I felt like I had gotten a
 

3965
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,110
YouTuber and I felt like I had gotten a
bit slandered and all that. Um, which

3966
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:49,120
bit slandered and all that. Um, which
 

3967
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,550
bit slandered and all that. Um, which
hurt, but I I I didn't

3968
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:52,560
hurt, but I I I didn't
 

3969
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,110
hurt, but I I I didn't
I don't know. Um,

3970
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:55,120
I don't know. Um,
 

3971
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,229
I don't know. Um,
but moving on from that,

3972
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:58,239
but moving on from that,
 

3973
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,310
but moving on from that,
I was

3974
01:22:00,310 --> 01:22:00,320
I was
 

3975
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,390
I was
I I don't want to talk about everything

3976
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:02,400
I I don't want to talk about everything
 

3977
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,310
I I don't want to talk about everything
regarding Saber Spark um specifically

3978
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:06,320
regarding Saber Spark um specifically
 

3979
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,430
regarding Saber Spark um specifically
because the information that I revealed

3980
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:09,440
because the information that I revealed
 

3981
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:11,750
because the information that I revealed
to people

3982
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:11,760
to people
 

3983
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,270
to people
in that time, not not this not the

3984
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:15,280
in that time, not not this not the
 

3985
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,310
in that time, not not this not the
testimony itself, but information that

3986
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:18,320
testimony itself, but information that
 

3987
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,110
testimony itself, but information that
was given to me by the victim, I

3988
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:21,120
was given to me by the victim, I
 

3989
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,270
was given to me by the victim, I
shouldn't have put out there. I wasn't

3990
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:23,280
shouldn't have put out there. I wasn't
 

3991
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,750
shouldn't have put out there. I wasn't
given permission to put that out and I

3992
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:25,760
given permission to put that out and I
 

3993
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,510
given permission to put that out and I
regret doing that.

3994
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:27,520
regret doing that.
 

3995
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,149
regret doing that.
>> Um I was facing a lot of harassment by

3996
01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:30,159
>> Um I was facing a lot of harassment by
 

3997
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:33,110
>> Um I was facing a lot of harassment by
Saber Sparks people at the time, his

3998
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:33,120
Saber Sparks people at the time, his
 

3999
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,590
Saber Sparks people at the time, his
fans. Um because he said didn't do it

4000
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:37,600
fans. Um because he said didn't do it
 

4001
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,430
fans. Um because he said didn't do it
and then

4002
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:39,440
and then
 

4003
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:41,910
and then
uh a lot of people were calling me a a

4004
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:41,920
uh a lot of people were calling me a a
 

4005
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,110
uh a lot of people were calling me a a
ri a liar about rape and ruining lives

4006
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:45,120
ri a liar about rape and ruining lives
 

4007
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,030
ri a liar about rape and ruining lives
and telling me to kill myself and that

4008
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:47,040
and telling me to kill myself and that
 

4009
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,709
and telling me to kill myself and that
they were going to dox me and stuff like

4010
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:48,719
they were going to dox me and stuff like
 

4011
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:49,590
they were going to dox me and stuff like
that.

4012
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:49,600
that.
 

4013
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,790
that.
>> Right. So, I was um I was feeling very

4014
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:54,800
>> Right. So, I was um I was feeling very
 

4015
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,070
>> Right. So, I was um I was feeling very
overwhelmed and stressed and

4016
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:58,080
overwhelmed and stressed and
 

4017
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,790
overwhelmed and stressed and
we all know how that turned out.

4018
01:23:00,790 --> 01:23:00,800
we all know how that turned out.
 

4019
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:01,030
we all know how that turned out.
>> Yeah.

4020
01:23:01,030 --> 01:23:01,040
>> Yeah.
 

4021
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,590
>> Yeah.
>> So, I I I I did things to try to

4022
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:03,600
>> So, I I I I did things to try to
 

4023
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,709
>> So, I I I I did things to try to
self-preserve that I shouldn't have done

4024
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:06,719
self-preserve that I shouldn't have done
 

4025
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,950
self-preserve that I shouldn't have done
>> and I normally wouldn't have. I'm not

4026
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:08,960
>> and I normally wouldn't have. I'm not
 

4027
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,910
>> and I normally wouldn't have. I'm not
trying to excuse what I did. I It was

4028
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:11,920
trying to excuse what I did. I It was
 

4029
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:15,830
trying to excuse what I did. I It was
wrong. But I want to clarify because

4030
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:15,840
wrong. But I want to clarify because
 

4031
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,430
wrong. But I want to clarify because
people

4032
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:17,440
people
 

4033
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:20,070
people
act like I'm evil for it. What I did

4034
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:20,080
act like I'm evil for it. What I did
 

4035
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,709
act like I'm evil for it. What I did
that was wrong was put out information

4036
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:22,719
that was wrong was put out information
 

4037
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:24,390
that was wrong was put out information
that I didn't have permission to put

4038
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:24,400
that I didn't have permission to put
 

4039
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,830
that I didn't have permission to put
out. I didn't make things up.

4040
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:27,840
out. I didn't make things up.
 

4041
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,430
out. I didn't make things up.
>> Um,

4042
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:29,440
>> Um,
 

4043
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:31,189
>> Um,
sorry, I'm getting off track. The point

4044
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:31,199
sorry, I'm getting off track. The point
 

4045
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:31,350
sorry, I'm getting off track. The point
is

4046
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:31,360
is
 

4047
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:32,790
is
>> that's fine. I mean, other questions

4048
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:32,800
>> that's fine. I mean, other questions
 

4049
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,390
>> that's fine. I mean, other questions
throughout this will kind of go more

4050
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:34,400
throughout this will kind of go more
 

4051
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,950
throughout this will kind of go more
into that anyway. And also, I'm in

4052
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:36,960
into that anyway. And also, I'm in
 

4053
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,709
into that anyway. And also, I'm in
contact with Emily, so like I know most

4054
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:38,719
contact with Emily, so like I know most
 

4055
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:41,510
contact with Emily, so like I know most
of this already. So,

4056
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:41,520
of this already. So,
 

4057
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,030
of this already. So,
>> yeah. I just in regards to what I said

4058
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:45,040
>> yeah. I just in regards to what I said
 

4059
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,870
>> yeah. I just in regards to what I said
uh about you in all of that, I don't

4060
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:48,880
uh about you in all of that, I don't
 

4061
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,510
uh about you in all of that, I don't
want to discuss because I shouldn't have

4062
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:51,520
want to discuss because I shouldn't have
 

4063
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,270
want to discuss because I shouldn't have
brought it up in the first place and I

4064
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:53,280
brought it up in the first place and I
 

4065
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,310
brought it up in the first place and I
don't really want to go more in detail

4066
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:56,320
don't really want to go more in detail
 

4067
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,550
don't really want to go more in detail
on things that I shouldn't have put out

4068
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:58,560
on things that I shouldn't have put out
 

4069
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,470
on things that I shouldn't have put out
there in the first place.

4070
01:24:00,470 --> 01:24:00,480
there in the first place.
 

4071
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,750
there in the first place.
>> Fair enough. I mean, you know,

4072
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:03,760
>> Fair enough. I mean, you know,
 

4073
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,430
>> Fair enough. I mean, you know,
it was just something I was curious

4074
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:05,440
it was just something I was curious
 

4075
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:08,390
it was just something I was curious
about like because I mean, you know,

4076
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:08,400
about like because I mean, you know,
 

4077
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,310
about like because I mean, you know,
>> in in private I can talk to you about

4078
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:10,320
>> in in private I can talk to you about
 

4079
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:11,990
>> in in private I can talk to you about
that. I just can't.

4080
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:12,000
that. I just can't.
 

4081
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:12,229
that. I just can't.
>> Yeah.

4082
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:12,239
>> Yeah.
 

4083
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:15,270
>> Yeah.
>> I I don't I don't want to go over it for

4084
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:15,280
>> I I don't I don't want to go over it for
 

4085
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,390
>> I I don't I don't want to go over it for
other people.

4086
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:16,400
other people.
 

4087
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,990
other people.
>> Um

4088
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:18,000
>> Um
 

4089
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,790
>> Um
>> but going past that to um the videos

4090
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:22,800
>> but going past that to um the videos
 

4091
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,750
>> but going past that to um the videos
with um Mr. Enter uh Phineas and Emily.

4092
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:27,760
with um Mr. Enter uh Phineas and Emily.
 

4093
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,790
with um Mr. Enter uh Phineas and Emily.
Um I thought your interview was very

4094
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:30,800
Um I thought your interview was very
 

4095
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,350
Um I thought your interview was very
good because it gave

4096
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:33,360
good because it gave
 

4097
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,950
good because it gave
Emily a chance to talk about everything.

4098
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:36,960
Emily a chance to talk about everything.
 

4099
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,270
Emily a chance to talk about everything.
>> Um but I felt Mr. Venttor's video was

4100
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:41,280
>> Um but I felt Mr. Venttor's video was
 

4101
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:46,550
>> Um but I felt Mr. Venttor's video was
really bad um because it dismissed a lot

4102
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:46,560
really bad um because it dismissed a lot
 

4103
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,070
really bad um because it dismissed a lot
of

4104
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:48,080
of
 

4105
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,229
of
critical information,

4106
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:50,239
critical information,
 

4107
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,350
critical information,
kind of handwaved it away. um and also

4108
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:53,360
kind of handwaved it away. um and also
 

4109
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,149
kind of handwaved it away. um and also
didn't didn't address all of it. It

4110
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:56,159
didn't didn't address all of it. It
 

4111
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,229
didn't didn't address all of it. It
didn't bring it all up, but seemed to

4112
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:58,239
didn't bring it all up, but seemed to
 

4113
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,390
didn't bring it all up, but seemed to
imply that it had

4114
01:25:00,390 --> 01:25:00,400
imply that it had
 

4115
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,030
imply that it had
>> which gave I would feel like would give

4116
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:03,040
>> which gave I would feel like would give
 

4117
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:06,550
>> which gave I would feel like would give
people the idea that there wasn't a lot

4118
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:06,560
people the idea that there wasn't a lot
 

4119
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,470
people the idea that there wasn't a lot
of information when there was a lot

4120
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:08,480
of information when there was a lot
 

4121
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,669
of information when there was a lot
more. Um,

4122
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:11,679
more. Um,
 

4123
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:15,669
more. Um,
and then also hyped up

4124
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:15,679
and then also hyped up
 

4125
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,910
and then also hyped up
uh

4126
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:17,920
uh
 

4127
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,270
uh
right-wing uh

4128
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:21,280
right-wing uh
 

4129
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,510
right-wing uh
slop tubers. I don't know what to call

4130
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:23,520
slop tubers. I don't know what to call
 

4131
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,510
slop tubers. I don't know what to call
him. I don't really have I was going to

4132
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:25,520
him. I don't really have I was going to
 

4133
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,030
him. I don't really have I was going to
be more respectful with the name, but

4134
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:27,040
be more respectful with the name, but
 

4135
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,110
be more respectful with the name, but
then I realized this guy sucks. So, um

4136
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:31,120
then I realized this guy sucks. So, um
 

4137
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,189
then I realized this guy sucks. So, um
>> I call them commentary bros. That's what

4138
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:33,199
>> I call them commentary bros. That's what
 

4139
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,110
>> I call them commentary bros. That's what
I the commentary broph sphere. That's

4140
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:35,120
I the commentary broph sphere. That's
 

4141
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,709
I the commentary broph sphere. That's
what I call it.

4142
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:36,719
what I call it.
 

4143
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:37,990
what I call it.
>> I mean, there are people that are

4144
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:38,000
>> I mean, there are people that are
 

4145
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,590
>> I mean, there are people that are
commentary bros. This is more like

4146
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:41,600
commentary bros. This is more like
 

4147
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,270
commentary bros. This is more like
um

4148
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:43,280
um
 

4149
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,709
um
a

4150
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:46,719

 

4151
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:49,750

one of those people that say like some

4152
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:49,760
one of those people that say like some
 

4153
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,910
one of those people that say like some
offensive [\h__\h] and then you go, "Whoa,

4154
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:51,920
offensive [\h__\h] and then you go, "Whoa,
 

4155
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,350
offensive [\h__\h] and then you go, "Whoa,
that was offensive." And then they go,

4156
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:53,360
that was offensive." And then they go,
 

4157
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,110
that was offensive." And then they go,
"Haha, I owned you." That's that's the

4158
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:55,120
"Haha, I owned you." That's that's the
 

4159
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,870
"Haha, I owned you." That's that's the
kind of person I'm talking about.

4160
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:56,880
kind of person I'm talking about.
 

4161
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,430
kind of person I'm talking about.
>> Gotcha.

4162
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:57,440
>> Gotcha.
 

4163
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,270
>> Gotcha.
>> Um

4164
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:59,280
>> Um
 

4165
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,950
>> Um
so I

4166
01:26:00,950 --> 01:26:00,960
so I
 

4167
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,790
so I
>> I mean we can point

4168
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:02,800
>> I mean we can point
 

4169
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,870
>> I mean we can point
>> I got the questions here. We we'll just

4170
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:04,880
>> I got the questions here. We we'll just
 

4171
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,470
>> I got the questions here. We we'll just
go in order of those because that's

4172
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:06,480
go in order of those because that's
 

4173
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:07,590
go in order of those because that's
eventually something that's going to

4174
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:07,600
eventually something that's going to
 

4175
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,950
eventually something that's going to
come up. So

4176
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:08,960
come up. So
 

4177
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,070
come up. So
>> yeah, I I I I lost track and I'm sorry.

4178
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:12,080
>> yeah, I I I I lost track and I'm sorry.
 

4179
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,990
>> yeah, I I I I lost track and I'm sorry.
I know that was

4180
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:14,000
I know that was
 

4181
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:14,790
I know that was
>> bad.

4182
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:14,800
>> bad.
 

4183
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,470
>> bad.
>> No, no worries. That's that's why I'm

4184
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:16,480
>> No, no worries. That's that's why I'm
 

4185
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,470
>> No, no worries. That's that's why I'm
here to mediate. Um, so there I know you

4186
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:20,480
here to mediate. Um, so there I know you
 

4187
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:21,750
here to mediate. Um, so there I know you
kind of answered this question already,

4188
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:21,760
kind of answered this question already,
 

4189
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,149
kind of answered this question already,
but to stay track on like make it easier

4190
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:24,159
but to stay track on like make it easier
 

4191
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:27,669
but to stay track on like make it easier
for me in editing, I suppose. Um, so

4192
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:27,679
for me in editing, I suppose. Um, so
 

4193
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:29,750
for me in editing, I suppose. Um, so
what is exactly is your relationship

4194
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:29,760
what is exactly is your relationship
 

4195
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,229
what is exactly is your relationship
with I love Kim Possible a lot? Are you

4196
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:32,239
with I love Kim Possible a lot? Are you
 

4197
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,229
with I love Kim Possible a lot? Are you
still currently in contact with her or

4198
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:34,239
still currently in contact with her or
 

4199
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:36,470
still currently in contact with her or
anything

4200
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:36,480
anything
 

4201
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,430
anything
>> after? So, like I said before, I didn't

4202
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:39,440
>> after? So, like I said before, I didn't
 

4203
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:42,550
>> after? So, like I said before, I didn't
really know her prior to her putting out

4204
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:42,560
really know her prior to her putting out
 

4205
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,870
really know her prior to her putting out
that video. She was kind of inserting

4206
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:44,880
that video. She was kind of inserting
 

4207
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,990
that video. She was kind of inserting
herself in a lot. Um, and then I joined

4208
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:48,000
herself in a lot. Um, and then I joined
 

4209
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,149
herself in a lot. Um, and then I joined
her server. I talked to her a bit,

4210
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:50,159
her server. I talked to her a bit,
 

4211
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:53,270
her server. I talked to her a bit,
realized that she did have personal

4212
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:53,280
realized that she did have personal
 

4213
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,550
realized that she did have personal
interactions with Saber Spark that were

4214
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:56,560
interactions with Saber Spark that were
 

4215
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,629
interactions with Saber Spark that were
um not great, and um that she was making

4216
01:27:00,629 --> 01:27:00,639
um not great, and um that she was making
 

4217
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:03,990
um not great, and um that she was making
her own video on Saber. So, when I was

4218
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:04,000
her own video on Saber. So, when I was
 

4219
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:08,070
her own video on Saber. So, when I was
approached uh to help Emily with her

4220
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:08,080
approached uh to help Emily with her
 

4221
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,350
approached uh to help Emily with her
story and I and me and Sophie both knew

4222
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:11,360
story and I and me and Sophie both knew
 

4223
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,070
story and I and me and Sophie both knew
that we were overwhelmed already and

4224
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:14,080
that we were overwhelmed already and
 

4225
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,590
that we were overwhelmed already and
weren't going to be able to balance

4226
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:15,600
weren't going to be able to balance
 

4227
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,149
weren't going to be able to balance
Griffin and Saber. Um, I suggested KP

4228
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:20,159
Griffin and Saber. Um, I suggested KP
 

4229
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:23,189
Griffin and Saber. Um, I suggested KP
because I knew that she had uh was

4230
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:23,199
because I knew that she had uh was
 

4231
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:27,590
because I knew that she had uh was
already doing exactly that topic and

4232
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:27,600
already doing exactly that topic and
 

4233
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,350
already doing exactly that topic and
because I knew that she had u personal

4234
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:31,360
because I knew that she had u personal
 

4235
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,950
because I knew that she had u personal
things to say about it.

4236
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:32,960
things to say about it.
 

4237
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:33,350
things to say about it.
>> Mhm.

4238
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:33,360
>> Mhm.
 

4239
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:36,629
>> Mhm.
>> So to me that felt like a very slam dunk

4240
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:36,639
>> So to me that felt like a very slam dunk
 

4241
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:40,070
>> So to me that felt like a very slam dunk
like oh that's that's magical that that

4242
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:40,080
like oh that's that's magical that that
 

4243
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,030
like oh that's that's magical that that
lines up

4244
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:41,040
lines up
 

4245
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,350
lines up
>> right. Um I and if and otherwise I would

4246
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:45,360
>> right. Um I and if and otherwise I would
 

4247
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,030
>> right. Um I and if and otherwise I would
have handled it myself cuz I don't

4248
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:47,040
have handled it myself cuz I don't
 

4249
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,870
have handled it myself cuz I don't
really know KP. Um and I I wouldn't

4250
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:50,880
really know KP. Um and I I wouldn't
 

4251
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,990
really know KP. Um and I I wouldn't
trust someone else to do it if if I

4252
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:54,000
trust someone else to do it if if I
 

4253
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,070
trust someone else to do it if if I
could but I couldn't have. Mhm.

4254
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:56,080
could but I couldn't have. Mhm.
 

4255
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,270
could but I couldn't have. Mhm.
>> Um,

4256
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:59,280

 

4257
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:03,430

which that was for a while the extent of

4258
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:03,440
which that was for a while the extent of
 

4259
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,629
which that was for a while the extent of
my conversations with KP until the video

4260
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:06,639
my conversations with KP until the video
 

4261
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:09,110
my conversations with KP until the video
was closer to coming out and she

4262
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:09,120
was closer to coming out and she
 

4263
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:13,910
was closer to coming out and she
messaged me and Sophie randomly with uh

4264
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:13,920
messaged me and Sophie randomly with uh
 

4265
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,709
messaged me and Sophie randomly with uh
the testimony that she wanted us to post

4266
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:16,719
the testimony that she wanted us to post
 

4267
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:19,189
the testimony that she wanted us to post
on the Brony Fandone account with a

4268
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:19,199
on the Brony Fandone account with a
 

4269
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,830
on the Brony Fandone account with a
little preamble uh that she also wanted

4270
01:28:21,830 --> 01:28:21,840
little preamble uh that she also wanted
 

4271
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,149
little preamble uh that she also wanted
us to attach the front of it. Mhm.

4272
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:24,159
us to attach the front of it. Mhm.
 

4273
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:26,390
us to attach the front of it. Mhm.
>> Um,

4274
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:26,400
>> Um,
 

4275
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,750
>> Um,
and I did not use that preamble cuz it

4276
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:29,760
and I did not use that preamble cuz it
 

4277
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,110
and I did not use that preamble cuz it
was saying things that we thought that

4278
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:33,120
was saying things that we thought that
 

4279
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,550
was saying things that we thought that
we didn't think. Um, it was kind of

4280
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:36,560
we didn't think. Um, it was kind of
 

4281
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,270
we didn't think. Um, it was kind of
speaking for us on things. Um, but I did

4282
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:41,280
speaking for us on things. Um, but I did
 

4283
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,830
speaking for us on things. Um, but I did
post the testimony because I wanted to

4284
01:28:43,830 --> 01:28:43,840
post the testimony because I wanted to
 

4285
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,270
post the testimony because I wanted to
help. Uh, and I I thought, well, if this

4286
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:47,280
help. Uh, and I I thought, well, if this
 

4287
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,790
help. Uh, and I I thought, well, if this
is the plan, I'll go along with the

4288
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:48,800
is the plan, I'll go along with the
 

4289
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,669
is the plan, I'll go along with the
plan.

4290
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:49,679
plan.
 

4291
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:52,550
plan.
>> Sure. Um, you know, I I don't really

4292
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:52,560
>> Sure. Um, you know, I I don't really
 

4293
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,470
>> Sure. Um, you know, I I don't really
want to get involved with all this cuz I

4294
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:54,480
want to get involved with all this cuz I
 

4295
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,030
want to get involved with all this cuz I
can't really focus on like doing an

4296
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:57,040
can't really focus on like doing an
 

4297
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,149
can't really focus on like doing an
investigation and all that. Um, like

4298
01:29:00,149 --> 01:29:00,159
investigation and all that. Um, like
 

4299
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,990
investigation and all that. Um, like
publicly, uh, putting out information.

4300
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:04,000
publicly, uh, putting out information.
 

4301
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,070
publicly, uh, putting out information.
Um,

4302
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:06,080
Um,
 

4303
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,110
Um,
but I did know it was Emily and I did

4304
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:09,120
but I did know it was Emily and I did
 

4305
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,270
but I did know it was Emily and I did
look into her and know that she had no

4306
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:11,280
look into her and know that she had no
 

4307
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,990
look into her and know that she had no
reason to be lying and she did have

4308
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:14,000
reason to be lying and she did have
 

4309
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,149
reason to be lying and she did have
interactions with Saber,

4310
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:16,159
interactions with Saber,
 

4311
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:18,950
interactions with Saber,
>> so I wanted to help regardless. So, I

4312
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:18,960
>> so I wanted to help regardless. So, I
 

4313
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,870
>> so I wanted to help regardless. So, I
put that out and then KB got mad at me

4314
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:20,880
put that out and then KB got mad at me
 

4315
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,790
put that out and then KB got mad at me
cuz she said, "No, no, not now. When the

4316
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:22,800
cuz she said, "No, no, not now. When the
 

4317
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,189
cuz she said, "No, no, not now. When the
video comes out on that day and so I

4318
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:25,199
video comes out on that day and so I
 

4319
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:26,390
video comes out on that day and so I
deleted it." Um

4320
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:26,400
deleted it." Um
 

4321
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,390
deleted it." Um
>> Oh, was that the early leak? Is that

4322
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:28,400
>> Oh, was that the early leak? Is that
 

4323
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,149
>> Oh, was that the early leak? Is that
what that she's referring to? Cuz she

4324
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:30,159
what that she's referring to? Cuz she
 

4325
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,310
what that she's referring to? Cuz she
said it got leaked early.

4326
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:32,320
said it got leaked early.
 

4327
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,110
said it got leaked early.
>> Yeah, she didn't specify when she wanted

4328
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:35,120
>> Yeah, she didn't specify when she wanted
 

4329
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,590
>> Yeah, she didn't specify when she wanted
this to be posted. In fact, she didn't

4330
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:37,600
this to be posted. In fact, she didn't
 

4331
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,229
this to be posted. In fact, she didn't
talk to us about posting it at all. She

4332
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:40,239
talk to us about posting it at all. She
 

4333
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:44,229
talk to us about posting it at all. She
just kind of said, "Do this." Um,

4334
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:44,239
just kind of said, "Do this." Um,
 

4335
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:46,709
just kind of said, "Do this." Um,
so I did it and then she got mad at me

4336
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:46,719
so I did it and then she got mad at me
 

4337
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:49,030
so I did it and then she got mad at me
uh and told me to get rid of it. So I

4338
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:49,040
uh and told me to get rid of it. So I
 

4339
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,629
uh and told me to get rid of it. So I
got rid of it and then waited until the

4340
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:50,639
got rid of it and then waited until the
 

4341
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:53,110
got rid of it and then waited until the
day. Um,

4342
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:53,120
day. Um,
 

4343
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,750
day. Um,
>> so like the whole like putting it on

4344
01:29:55,750 --> 01:29:55,760
>> so like the whole like putting it on
 

4345
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:58,470
>> so like the whole like putting it on
premiere and having like a a date

4346
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:58,480
premiere and having like a a date
 

4347
01:29:58,480 --> 01:29:59,990
premiere and having like a a date
release

4348
01:29:59,990 --> 01:30:00,000
release
 

4349
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,550
release
wasn't my idea either. Um,

4350
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:04,560
wasn't my idea either. Um,
 

4351
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,430
wasn't my idea either. Um,
uh, but then that day came, video came

4352
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:07,440
uh, but then that day came, video came
 

4353
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:12,470
uh, but then that day came, video came
out. Uh, it was bad and I wasn't able to

4354
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:12,480
out. Uh, it was bad and I wasn't able to
 

4355
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:14,709
out. Uh, it was bad and I wasn't able to
start watching it immediately.

4356
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:14,719
start watching it immediately.
 

4357
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:17,030
start watching it immediately.
Um, I didn't see any of the reactions

4358
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:17,040
Um, I didn't see any of the reactions
 

4359
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,390
Um, I didn't see any of the reactions
because the reason I wasn't able to

4360
01:30:18,390 --> 01:30:18,400
because the reason I wasn't able to
 

4361
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,310
because the reason I wasn't able to
watch it cuz it was busy. But the moment

4362
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:20,320
watch it cuz it was busy. But the moment
 

4363
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,149
watch it cuz it was busy. But the moment
I was able to watch it, an hour in, I

4364
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:22,159
I was able to watch it, an hour in, I
 

4365
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:25,030
I was able to watch it, an hour in, I
was already thinking, "This is bad." So,

4366
01:30:25,030 --> 01:30:25,040
was already thinking, "This is bad." So,
 

4367
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,590
was already thinking, "This is bad." So,
I messaged her and I start telling her,

4368
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:27,600
I messaged her and I start telling her,
 

4369
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:32,390
I messaged her and I start telling her,
"Hey, um, what's going on? This is not

4370
01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:32,400
"Hey, um, what's going on? This is not
 

4371
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,110
"Hey, um, what's going on? This is not
what I thought it would be. So far, I'm

4372
01:30:35,110 --> 01:30:35,120
what I thought it would be. So far, I'm
 

4373
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,229
what I thought it would be. So far, I'm
an hour in and it barely talks about

4374
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:38,239
an hour in and it barely talks about
 

4375
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:41,110
an hour in and it barely talks about
anything legitimate. It's just talking

4376
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:41,120
anything legitimate. It's just talking
 

4377
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,709
anything legitimate. It's just talking
about personal things. Um, getting

4378
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:44,719
about personal things. Um, getting
 

4379
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:47,990
about personal things. Um, getting
testimonies to your character uh and a

4380
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:48,000
testimonies to your character uh and a
 

4381
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,790
testimonies to your character uh and a
bunch of memes. It It was weird. Um,

4382
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:52,800
bunch of memes. It It was weird. Um,
 

4383
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,629
bunch of memes. It It was weird. Um,
uh, and then I then once I started

4384
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:54,639
uh, and then I then once I started
 

4385
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:56,070
uh, and then I then once I started
messaging her, I started seeing other

4386
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:56,080
messaging her, I started seeing other
 

4387
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,470
messaging her, I started seeing other
people's reactions and how like Emily's

4388
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:58,480
people's reactions and how like Emily's
 

4389
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,229
people's reactions and how like Emily's
testimony was only in the last like 10

4390
01:31:00,229 --> 01:31:00,239
testimony was only in the last like 10
 

4391
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:01,750
testimony was only in the last like 10
minutes or something.

4392
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:01,760
minutes or something.
 

4393
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,430
minutes or something.
>> It was an hour and 30 in or something

4394
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:03,440
>> It was an hour and 30 in or something
 

4395
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:05,510
>> It was an hour and 30 in or something
like that. Yeah.

4396
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:05,520
like that. Yeah.
 

4397
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,189
like that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I was getting more and more

4398
01:31:09,189 --> 01:31:09,199
>> Yeah. And I was getting more and more
 

4399
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:11,830
>> Yeah. And I was getting more and more
upset as I found out more and I was was

4400
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:11,840
upset as I found out more and I was was
 

4401
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,629
upset as I found out more and I was was
watching more. So I started explaining

4402
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:14,639
watching more. So I started explaining
 

4403
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:17,669
watching more. So I started explaining
to her, "Hey, take this down. This is

4404
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:17,679
to her, "Hey, take this down. This is
 

4405
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:19,910
to her, "Hey, take this down. This is
going to do more harm than good."

4406
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:19,920
going to do more harm than good."
 

4407
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,910
going to do more harm than good."
>> Um th this was not me reacting to other

4408
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:23,920
>> Um th this was not me reacting to other
 

4409
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,950
>> Um th this was not me reacting to other
people. This was my personal reactions

4410
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:26,960
people. This was my personal reactions
 

4411
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,229
people. This was my personal reactions
in the moment.

4412
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:28,239
in the moment.
 

4413
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:28,709
in the moment.
>> Mhm.

4414
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:28,719
>> Mhm.
 

4415
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:31,030
>> Mhm.
>> Um and then she said, "All right, I'll

4416
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:31,040
>> Um and then she said, "All right, I'll
 

4417
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,070
>> Um and then she said, "All right, I'll
I'll speak to my team. um see what they

4418
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:34,080
I'll speak to my team. um see what they
 

4419
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,990
I'll speak to my team. um see what they
say and then she privated the video

4420
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:36,000
say and then she privated the video
 

4421
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,149
say and then she privated the video
after like another half an hour.

4422
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:38,159
after like another half an hour.
 

4423
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:38,870
after like another half an hour.
>> Mhm.

4424
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:38,880
>> Mhm.
 

4425
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,470
>> Mhm.
>> Um so I tried to get the conversation

4426
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:42,480
>> Um so I tried to get the conversation
 

4427
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:46,149
>> Um so I tried to get the conversation
back on track with talking about what

4428
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:46,159
back on track with talking about what
 

4429
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,510
back on track with talking about what
happened to Emily on online instead of

4430
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:49,520
happened to Emily on online instead of
 

4431
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,110
happened to Emily on online instead of
people talking about the video, but that

4432
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:51,120
people talking about the video, but that
 

4433
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,229
people talking about the video, but that
didn't go well.

4434
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:52,239
didn't go well.
 

4435
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:52,709
didn't go well.
>> Right.

4436
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:52,719
>> Right.
 

4437
01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:55,590
>> Right.
>> And then after that, sorry, go on.

4438
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:55,600
>> And then after that, sorry, go on.
 

4439
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,590
>> And then after that, sorry, go on.
>> No. Yeah. Well, it's a little hard to

4440
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:57,600
>> No. Yeah. Well, it's a little hard to
 

4441
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,350
>> No. Yeah. Well, it's a little hard to
talk about the whole Emily situation

4442
01:31:59,350 --> 01:31:59,360
talk about the whole Emily situation
 

4443
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,510
talk about the whole Emily situation
without it being tangentially related to

4444
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:01,520
without it being tangentially related to
 

4445
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,270
without it being tangentially related to
that video cuz that's how it was kind of

4446
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:03,280
that video cuz that's how it was kind of
 

4447
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,310
that video cuz that's how it was kind of
presented unfortunately, but you know,

4448
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:06,320
presented unfortunately, but you know,
 

4449
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,950
presented unfortunately, but you know,
>> Yes. But at the same time, not a whole

4450
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:08,960
>> Yes. But at the same time, not a whole
 

4451
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,390
>> Yes. But at the same time, not a whole
lot of people had actually been able to

4452
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:10,400
lot of people had actually been able to
 

4453
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:11,750
lot of people had actually been able to
watch that video

4454
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:11,760
watch that video
 

4455
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,189
watch that video
>> as it came out.

4456
01:32:13,189 --> 01:32:13,199
>> as it came out.
 

4457
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:15,430
>> as it came out.
>> Uh it was it was more talked about

4458
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:15,440
>> Uh it was it was more talked about
 

4459
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:18,310
>> Uh it was it was more talked about
because it kept being spread um in in

4460
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:18,320
because it kept being spread um in in
 

4461
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,709
because it kept being spread um in in
the aftermath of it. And I I was still

4462
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:20,719
the aftermath of it. And I I was still
 

4463
01:32:20,719 --> 01:32:22,870
the aftermath of it. And I I was still
trying to work with KP. I was trying to

4464
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:22,880
trying to work with KP. I was trying to
 

4465
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,910
trying to work with KP. I was trying to
get her I I got her to take it down and

4466
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:25,920
get her I I got her to take it down and
 

4467
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,030
get her I I got her to take it down and
I wanted to uh I I was trying to

4468
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:29,040
I wanted to uh I I was trying to
 

4469
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,790
I wanted to uh I I was trying to
reassure her that hey, it's not the end

4470
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:30,800
reassure her that hey, it's not the end
 

4471
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,750
reassure her that hey, it's not the end
of the world. You know, you made bad

4472
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:33,760
of the world. You know, you made bad
 

4473
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,149
of the world. You know, you made bad
calls and it was very tonedeaf, but it

4474
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:36,159
calls and it was very tonedeaf, but it
 

4475
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,750
calls and it was very tonedeaf, but it
can be fixed. Uh it'll be all right. Um

4476
01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:39,760
can be fixed. Uh it'll be all right. Um
 

4477
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,229
can be fixed. Uh it'll be all right. Um
and I thought she understood that what

4478
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:42,239
and I thought she understood that what
 

4479
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,629
and I thought she understood that what
the parts that were her bad.

4480
01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:44,639
the parts that were her bad.
 

4481
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:48,629
the parts that were her bad.
>> Mhm. Um, up until she started like

4482
01:32:48,629 --> 01:32:48,639
>> Mhm. Um, up until she started like
 

4483
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:51,910
>> Mhm. Um, up until she started like
defending, not not defending as much as

4484
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:51,920
defending, not not defending as much as
 

4485
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,870
defending, not not defending as much as
criticizing people's criticisms, it it

4486
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:54,880
criticizing people's criticisms, it it
 

4487
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,629
criticizing people's criticisms, it it
seemed like she didn't understand at

4488
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:56,639
seemed like she didn't understand at
 

4489
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:59,189
seemed like she didn't understand at
that point. And then she started

4490
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:59,199
that point. And then she started
 

4491
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:03,669
that point. And then she started
threatening Emily. Um, so, uh, that was

4492
01:33:03,669 --> 01:33:03,679
threatening Emily. Um, so, uh, that was
 

4493
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:05,590
threatening Emily. Um, so, uh, that was
when I cut ties with her entirely.

4494
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:05,600
when I cut ties with her entirely.
 

4495
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,110
when I cut ties with her entirely.
>> Gotcha. I was still trying to reassure

4496
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:09,120
>> Gotcha. I was still trying to reassure
 

4497
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,030
>> Gotcha. I was still trying to reassure
her that things could be fine and we

4498
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:11,040
her that things could be fine and we
 

4499
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,310
her that things could be fine and we
could work through this and I was trying

4500
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:12,320
could work through this and I was trying
 

4501
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,510
could work through this and I was trying
to help her. I at that point I had taken

4502
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:15,520
to help her. I at that point I had taken
 

4503
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,030
to help her. I at that point I had taken
a more active role and everything

4504
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:17,040
a more active role and everything
 

4505
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,430
a more active role and everything
because things had spiraled and I could

4506
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:19,440
because things had spiraled and I could
 

4507
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,189
because things had spiraled and I could
no longer just be on the sidelines on

4508
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:21,199
no longer just be on the sidelines on
 

4509
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:21,910
no longer just be on the sidelines on
it.

4510
01:33:21,910 --> 01:33:21,920
it.
 

4511
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:22,229
it.
>> Right.

4512
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:22,239
>> Right.
 

4513
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:23,510
>> Right.
>> Um

4514
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:23,520
>> Um
 

4515
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,390
>> Um
>> but I was feeling for her cuz I felt she

4516
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:26,400
>> but I was feeling for her cuz I felt she
 

4517
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,470
>> but I was feeling for her cuz I felt she
she was getting a lot of harassment and

4518
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:28,480
she was getting a lot of harassment and
 

4519
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:29,990
she was getting a lot of harassment and
I didn't feel like she had bad

4520
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:30,000
I didn't feel like she had bad
 

4521
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,510
I didn't feel like she had bad
intentions so I wanted to help. But then

4522
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:31,520
intentions so I wanted to help. But then
 

4523
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,550
intentions so I wanted to help. But then
she was being awful and I stopped

4524
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:34,560
she was being awful and I stopped
 

4525
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,629
she was being awful and I stopped
talking to her and that was my extent of

4526
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:36,639
talking to her and that was my extent of
 

4527
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,229
talking to her and that was my extent of
my relationship with her.

4528
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:38,239
my relationship with her.
 

4529
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,110
my relationship with her.
>> Right. Um so how did you learn about the

4530
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:41,120
>> Right. Um so how did you learn about the
 

4531
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,709
>> Right. Um so how did you learn about the
allegations against Saver Spark

4532
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:42,719
allegations against Saver Spark
 

4533
01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:45,030
allegations against Saver Spark
initially?

4534
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:45,040
initially?
 

4535
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,870
initially?
>> Um it it was brought to me uh by Emily's

4536
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:48,880
>> Um it it was brought to me uh by Emily's
 

4537
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:54,709
>> Um it it was brought to me uh by Emily's
friend. Um, and she told me that uh

4538
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:54,719
friend. Um, and she told me that uh
 

4539
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,430
friend. Um, and she told me that uh
Emily would like to talk to me about

4540
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:57,440
Emily would like to talk to me about
 

4541
01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:59,189
Emily would like to talk to me about
everything

4542
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:59,199
everything
 

4543
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,270
everything
uh that happened to her.

4544
01:34:01,270 --> 01:34:01,280
uh that happened to her.
 

4545
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,030
uh that happened to her.
>> And I said that I I wasn't going to be

4546
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:05,040
>> And I said that I I wasn't going to be
 

4547
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,550
>> And I said that I I wasn't going to be
able to handle it at the time because,

4548
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:08,560
able to handle it at the time because,
 

4549
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,910
able to handle it at the time because,
you know, I was suicidal back in October

4550
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:11,920
you know, I was suicidal back in October
 

4551
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,149
you know, I was suicidal back in October
when when I was approached about all

4552
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:14,159
when when I was approached about all
 

4553
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:14,870
when when I was approached about all
that.

4554
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:14,880
that.
 

4555
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,030
that.
>> Mhm. Um,

4556
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:17,040
>> Mhm. Um,
 

4557
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,870
>> Mhm. Um,
and

4558
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:18,880
and
 

4559
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,709
and
uh, Sophie was also overwhelmed with

4560
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:20,719
uh, Sophie was also overwhelmed with
 

4561
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:23,990
uh, Sophie was also overwhelmed with
everything. So,

4562
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:24,000
everything. So,
 

4563
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,550
everything. So,
yeah, we weren't

4564
01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:26,560
yeah, we weren't
 

4565
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,310
yeah, we weren't
Saber Spark. While we believed

4566
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:28,320
Saber Spark. While we believed
 

4567
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,229
Saber Spark. While we believed
everything that was happening, and we

4568
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:30,239
everything that was happening, and we
 

4569
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,550
everything that was happening, and we
still do believe everything that

4570
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:32,560
still do believe everything that
 

4571
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,350
still do believe everything that
happened to Emily, it wasn't something

4572
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:35,360
happened to Emily, it wasn't something
 

4573
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:36,950
happened to Emily, it wasn't something
that we thought we could tackle, at

4574
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:36,960
that we thought we could tackle, at
 

4575
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,110
that we thought we could tackle, at
least not until uh, the Griffin

4576
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:39,120
least not until uh, the Griffin
 

4577
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:40,629
least not until uh, the Griffin
situation was over.

4578
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:40,639
situation was over.
 

4579
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:42,310
situation was over.
>> Gotcha.

4580
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:42,320
>> Gotcha.
 

4581
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,950
>> Gotcha.
I mean, so you went to KP just because

4582
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:44,960
I mean, so you went to KP just because
 

4583
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,790
I mean, so you went to KP just because
like you already knew that she was going

4584
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:46,800
like you already knew that she was going
 

4585
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,149
like you already knew that she was going
to talk about Saber Spark, so you're

4586
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:48,159
to talk about Saber Spark, so you're
 

4587
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:49,990
to talk about Saber Spark, so you're
just like, "Oh, well, that works out."

4588
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:50,000
just like, "Oh, well, that works out."
 

4589
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,390
just like, "Oh, well, that works out."
>> I I didn't go to KP. I just suggested

4590
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:52,400
>> I I didn't go to KP. I just suggested
 

4591
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:53,350
>> I I didn't go to KP. I just suggested
KP.

4592
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:53,360
KP.
 

4593
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,350
KP.
>> Oh, okay. Okay. I thought that you like

4594
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:55,360
>> Oh, okay. Okay. I thought that you like
 

4595
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,350
>> Oh, okay. Okay. I thought that you like
brought her to her or at least

4596
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:57,360
brought her to her or at least
 

4597
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,590
brought her to her or at least
redirected her, I think.

4598
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:59,600
redirected her, I think.
 

4599
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:00,390
redirected her, I think.
>> No.

4600
01:35:00,390 --> 01:35:00,400
>> No.
 

4601
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:06,149
>> No.
>> Okay. Uh, were you aware of like

4602
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:06,159
>> Okay. Uh, were you aware of like
 

4603
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:07,590
>> Okay. Uh, were you aware of like
the stuff? You said you did some

4604
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:07,600
the stuff? You said you did some
 

4605
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,430
the stuff? You said you did some
research on Emily Jones, like and you

4606
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:09,440
research on Emily Jones, like and you
 

4607
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:11,510
research on Emily Jones, like and you
didn't think she had any reason to lie.

4608
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:11,520
didn't think she had any reason to lie.
 

4609
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:14,149
didn't think she had any reason to lie.
Were you at all aware of like any of her

4610
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:14,159
Were you at all aware of like any of her
 

4611
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,149
Were you at all aware of like any of her
previous controversies? Because I know

4612
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:16,159
previous controversies? Because I know
 

4613
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:17,590
previous controversies? Because I know
there's been like a couple of videos,

4614
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:17,600
there's been like a couple of videos,
 

4615
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,030
there's been like a couple of videos,
not that they're great videos, but there

4616
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:19,040
not that they're great videos, but there
 

4617
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,189
not that they're great videos, but there
are some videos that discuss like her

4618
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:21,199
are some videos that discuss like her
 

4619
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:23,510
are some videos that discuss like her
stuff with Ryan Drummond and like the

4620
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:23,520
stuff with Ryan Drummond and like the
 

4621
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,030
stuff with Ryan Drummond and like the
stuff that happened at Sonics and Tales

4622
01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:25,040
stuff that happened at Sonics and Tales
 

4623
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,669
stuff that happened at Sonics and Tales
R, her thing with Cessy, like the all

4624
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:27,679
R, her thing with Cessy, like the all
 

4625
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:28,870
R, her thing with Cessy, like the all
the stuff that we talked about in the

4626
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:28,880
the stuff that we talked about in the
 

4627
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,229
the stuff that we talked about in the
interview. Like, were you aware of any

4628
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:30,239
interview. Like, were you aware of any
 

4629
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:31,990
interview. Like, were you aware of any
of that stuff?

4630
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:32,000
of that stuff?
 

4631
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,790
of that stuff?
I I did see that stuff and the videos

4632
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:36,800
I I did see that stuff and the videos
 

4633
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,110
I I did see that stuff and the videos
seem to be very

4634
01:35:39,110 --> 01:35:39,120
seem to be very
 

4635
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,870
seem to be very
um pointed intentionally. Uh and I I

4636
01:35:42,870 --> 01:35:42,880
um pointed intentionally. Uh and I I
 

4637
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:45,510
um pointed intentionally. Uh and I I
kind of have I can pick up on that when

4638
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:45,520
kind of have I can pick up on that when
 

4639
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,990
kind of have I can pick up on that when
it's pretty clear sometimes.

4640
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:48,000
it's pretty clear sometimes.
 

4641
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:48,390
it's pretty clear sometimes.
>> Mhm.

4642
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:48,400
>> Mhm.
 

4643
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,310
>> Mhm.
>> Um

4644
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:50,320
>> Um
 

4645
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,470
>> Um
and and it it gives me pause. Um, so

4646
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:54,480
and and it it gives me pause. Um, so
 

4647
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:57,750
and and it it gives me pause. Um, so
when when people are talking about she

4648
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:57,760
when when people are talking about she
 

4649
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:03,430
when when people are talking about she
had sex with a Sonic VA and it is really

4650
01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:03,440
had sex with a Sonic VA and it is really
 

4651
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:06,950
had sex with a Sonic VA and it is really
bad because that's Sonic and she worked

4652
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:06,960
bad because that's Sonic and she worked
 

4653
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,669
bad because that's Sonic and she worked
her way up the industry. It's like I

4654
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:09,679
her way up the industry. It's like I
 

4655
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:15,189
her way up the industry. It's like I
don't know. There's a lot of leaps and

4656
01:36:15,189 --> 01:36:15,199
don't know. There's a lot of leaps and
 

4657
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:17,990
don't know. There's a lot of leaps and
it it seems like if if there's other

4658
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:18,000
it it seems like if if there's other
 

4659
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,590
it it seems like if if there's other
information you're trying to give me

4660
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:19,600
information you're trying to give me
 

4661
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:24,470
information you're trying to give me
surrounding that, it feels like this

4662
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:24,480
surrounding that, it feels like this
 

4663
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,430
surrounding that, it feels like this
none of this is really with the intent

4664
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:27,440
none of this is really with the intent
 

4665
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,390
none of this is really with the intent
of pointing out genuinely bad things.

4666
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:30,400
of pointing out genuinely bad things.
 

4667
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,270
of pointing out genuinely bad things.
It's more in the point of filling out a

4668
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:33,280
It's more in the point of filling out a
 

4669
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:37,750
It's more in the point of filling out a
um a roster of reasons to distrust

4670
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:37,760
um a roster of reasons to distrust
 

4671
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:38,550
um a roster of reasons to distrust
someone,

4672
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:38,560
someone,
 

4673
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,669
someone,
>> right? Um, and

4674
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:41,679
>> right? Um, and
 

4675
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,590
>> right? Um, and
I know people accuse me of doing that,

4676
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:43,600
I know people accuse me of doing that,
 

4677
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,870
I know people accuse me of doing that,
but I I I feel like this entire the the

4678
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:46,880
but I I I feel like this entire the the
 

4679
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,870
but I I I feel like this entire the the
master document, while I did not write

4680
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:48,880
master document, while I did not write
 

4681
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:53,030
master document, while I did not write
it, I feel like none of it is nothing.

4682
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:53,040
it, I feel like none of it is nothing.
 

4683
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,590
it, I feel like none of it is nothing.
All of it adds the same conclusion,

4684
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:55,600
All of it adds the same conclusion,
 

4685
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:55,910
All of it adds the same conclusion,
right?

4686
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:55,920
right?
 

4687
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,830
right?
>> Um,

4688
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:57,840
>> Um,
 

4689
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,510
>> Um,
not not all of it's on the same level of

4690
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:59,520
not not all of it's on the same level of
 

4691
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,790
not not all of it's on the same level of
intensity, don't get me wrong, but a lot

4692
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:02,800
intensity, don't get me wrong, but a lot
 

4693
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,390
intensity, don't get me wrong, but a lot
more of it is uh more than just damning.

4694
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:06,400
more of it is uh more than just damning.
 

4695
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,750
more of it is uh more than just damning.
Um, and the ones that aren't damning

4696
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:09,760
Um, and the ones that aren't damning
 

4697
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,149
Um, and the ones that aren't damning
>> as much still help um, paint the the

4698
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:14,159
>> as much still help um, paint the the
 

4699
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:16,149
>> as much still help um, paint the the
picture of everything there. There's the

4700
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:16,159
picture of everything there. There's the
 

4701
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:17,750
picture of everything there. There's the
small details

4702
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:17,760
small details
 

4703
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,470
small details
>> do uh, cooporate

4704
01:37:20,470 --> 01:37:20,480
>> do uh, cooporate
 

4705
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:21,430
>> do uh, cooporate
the rest.

4706
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:21,440
the rest.
 

4707
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:21,830
the rest.
>> Right.

4708
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:21,840
>> Right.
 

4709
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,390
>> Right.
>> Um, but all the people that are calling

4710
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:24,400
>> Um, but all the people that are calling
 

4711
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,270
>> Um, but all the people that are calling
out Emily all seem to have a grudge and

4712
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:27,280
out Emily all seem to have a grudge and
 

4713
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,550
out Emily all seem to have a grudge and
not uh, good intentions.

4714
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:30,560
not uh, good intentions.
 

4715
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,350
not uh, good intentions.
>> Right. Right. Uh, were you ever aware of

4716
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:33,360
>> Right. Right. Uh, were you ever aware of
 

4717
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,790
>> Right. Right. Uh, were you ever aware of
the changes that were made to the

4718
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:34,800
the changes that were made to the
 

4719
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,629
the changes that were made to the
victim's testimony by KP and Courtney?

4720
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:38,639
victim's testimony by KP and Courtney?
 

4721
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:43,590
victim's testimony by KP and Courtney?
>> I didn't know any of the I any of the

4722
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:43,600
>> I didn't know any of the I any of the
 

4723
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,270
>> I didn't know any of the I any of the
changes to the testimony I didn't know

4724
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:45,280
changes to the testimony I didn't know
 

4725
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,590
changes to the testimony I didn't know
of until

4726
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:47,600
of until
 

4727
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:48,950
of until
late May.

4728
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:48,960
late May.
 

4729
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:49,430
late May.
>> Mhm.

4730
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:49,440
>> Mhm.
 

4731
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:52,149
>> Mhm.
>> Well past everything that happened.

4732
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:52,159
>> Well past everything that happened.
 

4733
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:52,550
>> Well past everything that happened.
>> Right.

4734
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:52,560
>> Right.
 

4735
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,070
>> Right.
>> I did not know that it was not Emily's

4736
01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:56,080
>> I did not know that it was not Emily's
 

4737
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:57,830
>> I did not know that it was not Emily's
own words entirely.

4738
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:57,840
own words entirely.
 

4739
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,790
own words entirely.
>> Gotcha. um because I had already known

4740
01:38:00,790 --> 01:38:00,800
>> Gotcha. um because I had already known
 

4741
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,870
>> Gotcha. um because I had already known
the story for the most part and it for

4742
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:04,880
the story for the most part and it for
 

4743
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,189
the story for the most part and it for
more or less lined up with the main

4744
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:07,199
more or less lined up with the main
 

4745
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:10,310
more or less lined up with the main
points. So any discrepancies were

4746
01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:10,320
points. So any discrepancies were
 

4747
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:13,109
points. So any discrepancies were
smaller. Um

4748
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:13,119
smaller. Um
 

4749
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:15,990
smaller. Um
it it wasn't like a huge change in the

4750
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:16,000
it it wasn't like a huge change in the
 

4751
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,310
it it wasn't like a huge change in the
story as far as I was aware. Um, right.

4752
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:20,320
story as far as I was aware. Um, right.
 

4753
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,629
story as far as I was aware. Um, right.
>> I mean, they're not huge changes, but I

4754
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:22,639
>> I mean, they're not huge changes, but I
 

4755
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,390
>> I mean, they're not huge changes, but I
think one of the bigger ones that bring

4756
01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:24,400
think one of the bigger ones that bring
 

4757
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,590
think one of the bigger ones that bring
contention to her testimony was the uh

4758
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:27,600
contention to her testimony was the uh
 

4759
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,350
contention to her testimony was the uh
issue of implied consent, you know?

4760
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:31,360
issue of implied consent, you know?
 

4761
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,910
issue of implied consent, you know?
>> So, I mean, and to me, it just seemed

4762
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:33,920
>> So, I mean, and to me, it just seemed
 

4763
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,149
>> So, I mean, and to me, it just seemed
really weird for KP to argue that

4764
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:36,159
really weird for KP to argue that
 

4765
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:39,189
really weird for KP to argue that
conside like implied consent is [\h__\h]

4766
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:39,199
conside like implied consent is [\h__\h]
 

4767
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:41,669
conside like implied consent is [\h__\h]
and then be recording people without

4768
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:41,679
and then be recording people without
 

4769
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:43,590
and then be recording people without
their consent to do so and being like,

4770
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:43,600
their consent to do so and being like,
 

4771
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:44,870
their consent to do so and being like,
well, it should be obvious I was

4772
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:44,880
well, it should be obvious I was
 

4773
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,510
well, it should be obvious I was
recording kind of thing. It's like, uh,

4774
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:47,520
recording kind of thing. It's like, uh,
 

4775
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:50,550
recording kind of thing. It's like, uh,
do you not Do you not see how that that

4776
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:50,560
do you not Do you not see how that that
 

4777
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,709
do you not Do you not see how that that
argues implied consent? Like, you know

4778
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:52,719
argues implied consent? Like, you know
 

4779
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:53,830
argues implied consent? Like, you know
what I mean? I'm

4780
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:53,840
what I mean? I'm
 

4781
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:55,750
what I mean? I'm
>> I feel like those are two very different

4782
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:55,760
>> I feel like those are two very different
 

4783
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,030
>> I feel like those are two very different
things because one is uh consent to be

4784
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:59,040
things because one is uh consent to be
 

4785
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,669
things because one is uh consent to be
recorded in a conversation and the other

4786
01:39:01,669 --> 01:39:01,679
recorded in a conversation and the other
 

4787
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:04,550
recorded in a conversation and the other
one is uh the difference between rape

4788
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:04,560
one is uh the difference between rape
 

4789
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:05,910
one is uh the difference between rape
and not rape.

4790
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:05,920
and not rape.
 

4791
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,550
and not rape.
>> Sure. But like cons when you're giving

4792
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:08,560
>> Sure. But like cons when you're giving
 

4793
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,030
>> Sure. But like cons when you're giving
consent, I mean it's not just exclusive

4794
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:11,040
consent, I mean it's not just exclusive
 

4795
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,950
consent, I mean it's not just exclusive
to having sex with someone. It's giving

4796
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:12,960
to having sex with someone. It's giving
 

4797
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:13,910
to having sex with someone. It's giving
your consent to really

4798
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:13,920
your consent to really
 

4799
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,990
your consent to really
>> No, I know. I know. I know the the word

4800
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:16,000
>> No, I know. I know. I know the the word
 

4801
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,030
>> No, I know. I know. I know the the word
is broader than just in the the context

4802
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:19,040
is broader than just in the the context
 

4803
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,590
is broader than just in the the context
of sex. I just I don't like comparing

4804
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:21,600
of sex. I just I don't like comparing
 

4805
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,109
of sex. I just I don't like comparing
them cuz it feels like two very

4806
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:23,119
them cuz it feels like two very
 

4807
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:24,709
them cuz it feels like two very
different extremes. I don't I don't

4808
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:24,719
different extremes. I don't I don't
 

4809
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:28,790
different extremes. I don't I don't
think it's hypocritical of KP to do that

4810
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:28,800
think it's hypocritical of KP to do that
 

4811
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,070
think it's hypocritical of KP to do that
because it it it technically is the same

4812
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:32,080
because it it it technically is the same
 

4813
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,350
because it it it technically is the same
word, but in two very very different

4814
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:35,360
word, but in two very very different
 

4815
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:39,430
word, but in two very very different
extreme contexts. Um,

4816
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:39,440
extreme contexts. Um,
 

4817
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:42,790
extreme contexts. Um,
I I I don't really have a problem with

4818
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:42,800
I I I don't really have a problem with
 

4819
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,470
I I I don't really have a problem with
KP having recorded DA games personally.

4820
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:46,480
KP having recorded DA games personally.
 

4821
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:49,430
KP having recorded DA games personally.
>> I I feel like she

4822
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:49,440
>> I I feel like she
 

4823
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:52,629
>> I I feel like she
I I don't like that she lied about it

4824
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:52,639
I I don't like that she lied about it
 

4825
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:53,910
I I don't like that she lied about it
about about doing it.

4826
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:53,920
about about doing it.
 

4827
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:54,550
about about doing it.
>> Mhm.

4828
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:54,560
>> Mhm.
 

4829
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,709
>> Mhm.
>> But she was trying to get proof of what

4830
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:58,719
>> But she was trying to get proof of what
 

4831
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:02,390
>> But she was trying to get proof of what
he did to her. Um, and I believe what he

4832
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:02,400
he did to her. Um, and I believe what he
 

4833
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:03,350
he did to her. Um, and I believe what he
did to her,

4834
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:03,360
did to her,
 

4835
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,590
did to her,
>> right? So

4836
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:05,600
>> right? So
 

4837
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,310
>> right? So
I I don't really have an issue on that

4838
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:08,320
I I don't really have an issue on that
 

4839
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,550
I I don't really have an issue on that
sense. Um

4840
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:10,560
sense. Um
 

4841
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,550
sense. Um
>> sure. Like I don't really necessarily

4842
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:12,560
>> sure. Like I don't really necessarily
 

4843
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,149
>> sure. Like I don't really necessarily
cuz it's complicated, right? Cuz it's

4844
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:14,159
cuz it's complicated, right? Cuz it's
 

4845
01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:16,390
cuz it's complicated, right? Cuz it's
Discord and usually when people are just

4846
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:16,400
Discord and usually when people are just
 

4847
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,070
Discord and usually when people are just
like, "Oh, that's like wiretapping or

4848
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:18,080
like, "Oh, that's like wiretapping or
 

4849
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,270
like, "Oh, that's like wiretapping or
something like recording without

4850
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:19,280
something like recording without
 

4851
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:20,629
something like recording without
permission to party like all that

4852
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:20,639
permission to party like all that
 

4853
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:23,109
permission to party like all that
stuff." If you I could tell you from

4854
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:23,119
stuff." If you I could tell you from
 

4855
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,270
stuff." If you I could tell you from
even talking to Mr. Enter, right? If you

4856
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:25,280
even talking to Mr. Enter, right? If you
 

4857
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,030
even talking to Mr. Enter, right? If you
try to bring those charges up on

4858
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:27,040
try to bring those charges up on
 

4859
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,870
try to bring those charges up on
something that is a Discord call,

4860
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:28,880
something that is a Discord call,
 

4861
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,550
something that is a Discord call,
they'll just tell you like what the [\h__\h]

4862
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:30,560
they'll just tell you like what the [\h__\h]
 

4863
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,910
they'll just tell you like what the [\h__\h]
is Discord? Like it's it's the rules are

4864
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:33,920
is Discord? Like it's it's the rules are
 

4865
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,030
is Discord? Like it's it's the rules are
not the same or either that or like [\h__\h]

4866
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:37,040
not the same or either that or like [\h__\h]
 

4867
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,590
not the same or either that or like [\h__\h]
like the police are not like well

4868
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:39,600
like the police are not like well
 

4869
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,270
like the police are not like well
equipped in internet knowledge to know

4870
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:41,280
equipped in internet knowledge to know
 

4871
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,350
equipped in internet knowledge to know
that that's the same thing kind of thing

4872
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:43,360
that that's the same thing kind of thing
 

4873
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:43,750
that that's the same thing kind of thing
I guess.

4874
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:43,760
I guess.
 

4875
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,229
I guess.
>> Also it's it's legal in most states. One

4876
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:46,239
>> Also it's it's legal in most states. One
 

4877
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:49,030
>> Also it's it's legal in most states. One
party consent for recordings is a thing

4878
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:49,040
party consent for recordings is a thing
 

4879
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:51,750
party consent for recordings is a thing
unless it's something that breaks

4880
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:51,760
unless it's something that breaks
 

4881
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:55,510
unless it's something that breaks
privacy more like like getting like nude

4882
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:55,520
privacy more like like getting like nude
 

4883
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,590
privacy more like like getting like nude
pictures of someone without their

4884
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:57,600
pictures of someone without their
 

4885
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,189
pictures of someone without their
knowledge or something like that. But

4886
01:40:59,189 --> 01:40:59,199
knowledge or something like that. But
 

4887
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,510
knowledge or something like that. But
this is not that.

4888
01:41:01,510 --> 01:41:01,520
this is not that.
 

4889
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:01,910
this is not that.
>> Yeah.

4890
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:01,920
>> Yeah.
 

4891
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,070
>> Yeah.
>> Um, so

4892
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:06,080
>> Um, so
 

4893
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,709
>> Um, so
like I I get that people can maybe have

4894
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:08,719
like I I get that people can maybe have
 

4895
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:12,310
like I I get that people can maybe have
qualms with how she went about it, but

4896
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:12,320
qualms with how she went about it, but
 

4897
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,430
qualms with how she went about it, but
ultimately I think it is just worse on

4898
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:15,440
ultimately I think it is just worse on
 

4899
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:17,830
ultimately I think it is just worse on
DA games and I don't have a

4900
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:17,840
DA games and I don't have a
 

4901
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,510
DA games and I don't have a
>> Oh, I know. Like the level of severity

4902
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:19,520
>> Oh, I know. Like the level of severity
 

4903
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:20,950
>> Oh, I know. Like the level of severity
isn't the same. I just find it

4904
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:20,960
isn't the same. I just find it
 

4905
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,229
isn't the same. I just find it
interesting that she

4906
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:22,239
interesting that she
 

4907
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,189
interesting that she
>> how how she views consent. That's all. I

4908
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:25,199
>> how how she views consent. That's all. I
 

4909
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:26,629
>> how how she views consent. That's all. I
think I personally I think it's weird

4910
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:26,639
think I personally I think it's weird
 

4911
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:28,950
think I personally I think it's weird
that she altered the testimony at all. I

4912
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:28,960
that she altered the testimony at all. I
 

4913
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:32,149
that she altered the testimony at all. I
I I don't like that. I don't like that

4914
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:32,159
I I don't like that. I don't like that
 

4915
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,470
I I don't like that. I don't like that
she was reviewing it and adding her own

4916
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:34,480
she was reviewing it and adding her own
 

4917
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:38,229
she was reviewing it and adding her own
opinions and little tweaks to it. Uh I

4918
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:38,239
opinions and little tweaks to it. Uh I
 

4919
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:39,669
opinions and little tweaks to it. Uh I
think that it should have been Emily's

4920
01:41:39,669 --> 01:41:39,679
think that it should have been Emily's
 

4921
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:42,229
think that it should have been Emily's
words and then she could give advice on

4922
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:42,239
words and then she could give advice on
 

4923
01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:45,669
words and then she could give advice on
what to change instead of going in and

4924
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:45,679
what to change instead of going in and
 

4925
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,510
what to change instead of going in and
altering it herself. Um

4926
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:47,520
altering it herself. Um
 

4927
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:48,870
altering it herself. Um
>> Sure. Cuz at that point it doesn't

4928
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:48,880
>> Sure. Cuz at that point it doesn't
 

4929
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,629
>> Sure. Cuz at that point it doesn't
become Emily's story, it just becomes

4930
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:50,639
become Emily's story, it just becomes
 

4931
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:51,270
become Emily's story, it just becomes
their story.

4932
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:51,280
their story.
 

4933
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:55,109
their story.
>> Yeah. And it's like how she gave us this

4934
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:55,119
>> Yeah. And it's like how she gave us this
 

4935
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:59,189
>> Yeah. And it's like how she gave us this
to post with her own opening paragraph

4936
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:59,199
to post with her own opening paragraph
 

4937
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:01,910
to post with her own opening paragraph
phrased in our words about how to

4938
01:42:01,910 --> 01:42:01,920
phrased in our words about how to
 

4939
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,910
phrased in our words about how to
present it when we didn't give those

4940
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:03,920
present it when we didn't give those
 

4941
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:05,830
present it when we didn't give those
words and they weren't how we would talk

4942
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:05,840
words and they weren't how we would talk
 

4943
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,910
words and they weren't how we would talk
about it. I I didn't like that it was

4944
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:07,920
about it. I I didn't like that it was
 

4945
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:09,590
about it. I I didn't like that it was
just dropped on our laps. This is how

4946
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:09,600
just dropped on our laps. This is how
 

4947
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,750
just dropped on our laps. This is how
you're going to present it.

4948
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:11,760
you're going to present it.
 

4949
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,910
you're going to present it.
>> It's not really that's not really what I

4950
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:13,920
>> It's not really that's not really what I
 

4951
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,270
>> It's not really that's not really what I
was ever going to do.

4952
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:15,280
was ever going to do.
 

4953
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,590
was ever going to do.
>> Mhm. When you say that she gave you like

4954
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:17,600
>> Mhm. When you say that she gave you like
 

4955
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,310
>> Mhm. When you say that she gave you like
an opener, right? is are you talking

4956
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:20,320
an opener, right? is are you talking
 

4957
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,709
an opener, right? is are you talking
about like how the tweet should be like

4958
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:22,719
about like how the tweet should be like
 

4959
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,790
about like how the tweet should be like
the tweet that comes with the testimony?

4960
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:24,800
the tweet that comes with the testimony?
 

4961
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,709
the tweet that comes with the testimony?
Is that what you're talking about?

4962
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:26,719
Is that what you're talking about?
 

4963
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:29,350
Is that what you're talking about?
>> She gave a paragraph

4964
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:29,360
>> She gave a paragraph
 

4965
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,990
>> She gave a paragraph
worded from our perspectives

4966
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:32,000
worded from our perspectives
 

4967
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,430
worded from our perspectives
that was meant to go up and then the

4968
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:35,440
that was meant to go up and then the
 

4969
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:38,229
that was meant to go up and then the
testimony come after it. like saying

4970
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:38,239
testimony come after it. like saying
 

4971
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:43,830
testimony come after it. like saying
basically I Bonk and I Sophie have done

4972
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:43,840
basically I Bonk and I Sophie have done
 

4973
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,790
basically I Bonk and I Sophie have done
this and this and we believe this is all

4974
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:46,800
this and this and we believe this is all
 

4975
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,550
this and this and we believe this is all
true and the this is the story. It was

4976
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:50,560
true and the this is the story. It was
 

4977
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,270
true and the this is the story. It was
there was more in there but that was

4978
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:53,280
there was more in there but that was
 

4979
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:54,709
there was more in there but that was
that's the gist of what I'm talking

4980
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:54,719
that's the gist of what I'm talking
 

4981
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:58,470
that's the gist of what I'm talking
about. She basically role played as us a

4982
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:58,480
about. She basically role played as us a
 

4983
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:00,709
about. She basically role played as us a
little bit to give us instead of just

4984
01:43:00,709 --> 01:43:00,719
little bit to give us instead of just
 

4985
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:03,109
little bit to give us instead of just
telling in instead of us asking us to

4986
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:03,119
telling in instead of us asking us to
 

4987
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:06,950
telling in instead of us asking us to
give a disclaimer and summarize like

4988
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:06,960
give a disclaimer and summarize like
 

4989
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,430
give a disclaimer and summarize like
what we're about to be presenting,

4990
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:09,440
what we're about to be presenting,
 

4991
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:12,870
what we're about to be presenting,
>> she made up a presentation for us. And

4992
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:12,880
>> she made up a presentation for us. And
 

4993
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,189
>> she made up a presentation for us. And
that feels similar to her altering the

4994
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:15,199
that feels similar to her altering the
 

4995
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:16,790
that feels similar to her altering the
testimony

4996
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:16,800
testimony
 

4997
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,709
testimony
because it makes it it makes it hard to

4998
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:20,719
because it makes it it makes it hard to
 

4999
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:23,270
because it makes it it makes it hard to
know like what is and isn't coming from

5000
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:23,280
know like what is and isn't coming from
 

5001
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,189
know like what is and isn't coming from
KP. Um,

5002
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:25,199
KP. Um,
 

5003
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:25,590
KP. Um,
>> yeah.

5004
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:25,600
>> yeah.
 

5005
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,990
>> yeah.
>> And now Emily has

5006
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:28,000
>> And now Emily has
 

5007
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,990
>> And now Emily has
>> Do you happen to have this by any chance

5008
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:30,000
>> Do you happen to have this by any chance
 

5009
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:30,709
>> Do you happen to have this by any chance
or

5010
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:30,719
or
 

5011
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:31,430
or
>> Yeah.

5012
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:31,440
>> Yeah.
 

5013
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:34,310
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, cool. May I see it if you don't mind

5014
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:34,320
>> Oh, cool. May I see it if you don't mind
 

5015
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:34,709
>> Oh, cool. May I see it if you don't mind
it?

5016
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:34,719
it?
 

5017
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:37,189
it?
>> Yeah. Um, I think one of the biggest

5018
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:37,199
>> Yeah. Um, I think one of the biggest
 

5019
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:40,229
>> Yeah. Um, I think one of the biggest
problems with it is that it's it implies

5020
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:40,239
problems with it is that it's it implies
 

5021
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:43,350
problems with it is that it's it implies
that Sophie was also made aware of

5022
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:43,360
that Sophie was also made aware of
 

5023
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,270
that Sophie was also made aware of
everything and did an investigation

5024
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:45,280
everything and did an investigation
 

5025
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:46,390
everything and did an investigation
herself,

5026
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:46,400
herself,
 

5027
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,910
herself,
>> which was not true. Sophie did not have

5028
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:49,920
>> which was not true. Sophie did not have
 

5029
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,590
>> which was not true. Sophie did not have
involvement

5030
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:51,600
involvement
 

5031
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,390
involvement
um really. Uh, so it it kind of just

5032
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:54,400
um really. Uh, so it it kind of just
 

5033
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,790
um really. Uh, so it it kind of just
lied in that thing that we're supposed

5034
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:56,800
lied in that thing that we're supposed
 

5035
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:57,830
lied in that thing that we're supposed
to present.

5036
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:57,840
to present.
 

5037
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:58,229
to present.
>> Oh,

5038
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:58,239
>> Oh,
 

5039
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,070
>> Oh,
>> so that's why I didn't use it.

5040
01:44:00,070 --> 01:44:00,080
>> so that's why I didn't use it.
 

5041
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,189
>> so that's why I didn't use it.
>> Um, I I made my own introduction to the

5042
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:03,199
>> Um, I I made my own introduction to the
 

5043
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:06,870
>> Um, I I made my own introduction to the
testimony. Um, in in my not, you know, I

5044
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:06,880
testimony. Um, in in my not, you know, I
 

5045
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,470
testimony. Um, in in my not, you know, I
wasn't speaking on behalf of Emily. I

5046
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:08,480
wasn't speaking on behalf of Emily. I
 

5047
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:10,310
wasn't speaking on behalf of Emily. I
was speaking on behalf of me presenting

5048
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:10,320
was speaking on behalf of me presenting
 

5049
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:11,830
was speaking on behalf of me presenting
Emily's testimony.

5050
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:11,840
Emily's testimony.
 

5051
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,430
Emily's testimony.
>> Yeah. Cuz it felt weird for her to put

5052
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:13,440
>> Yeah. Cuz it felt weird for her to put
 

5053
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:15,109
>> Yeah. Cuz it felt weird for her to put
words in your mouth.

5054
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:15,119
words in your mouth.
 

5055
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:16,950
words in your mouth.
>> Yeah. And some of those words weren't

5056
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:16,960
>> Yeah. And some of those words weren't
 

5057
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:17,669
>> Yeah. And some of those words weren't
even true.

5058
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:17,679
even true.
 

5059
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:19,830
even true.
>> So, what was it like like as you try to

5060
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:19,840
>> So, what was it like like as you try to
 

5061
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,189
>> So, what was it like like as you try to
pull that up? I don't know. you can

5062
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:21,199
pull that up? I don't know. you can
 

5063
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:22,470
pull that up? I don't know. you can
probably give it to me after or whatever

5064
01:44:22,470 --> 01:44:22,480
probably give it to me after or whatever
 

5065
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:23,830
probably give it to me after or whatever
the hell. But

5066
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:23,840
the hell. But
 

5067
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,149
the hell. But
>> uh what was it like like receiving the

5068
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:26,159
>> uh what was it like like receiving the
 

5069
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:28,229
>> uh what was it like like receiving the
initial backlash at least the victim

5070
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:28,239
initial backlash at least the victim
 

5071
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,229
initial backlash at least the victim
testimony and the video itself? Like

5072
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:30,239
testimony and the video itself? Like
 

5073
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:33,750
testimony and the video itself? Like
what was that kind of like?

5074
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:33,760
what was that kind of like?
 

5075
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,950
what was that kind of like?
Um

5076
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:36,960

 

5077
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,590

it it was worrying because you know

5078
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:39,600
it it was worrying because you know
 

5079
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,430
it it was worrying because you know
obviously

5080
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:41,440
obviously
 

5081
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,550
obviously
um now this is all tied to the Brony

5082
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:44,560
um now this is all tied to the Brony
 

5083
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,990
um now this is all tied to the Brony
Fandone account and that is all tied to

5084
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:48,000
Fandone account and that is all tied to
 

5085
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,629
Fandone account and that is all tied to
people with actual

5086
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:50,639
people with actual
 

5087
01:44:50,639 --> 01:44:52,310
people with actual
um

5088
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:52,320
um
 

5089
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,629
um
people that were actually abused, people

5090
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:54,639
people that were actually abused, people
 

5091
01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:56,790
people that were actually abused, people
that want to have their stories heard

5092
01:44:56,790 --> 01:44:56,800
that want to have their stories heard
 

5093
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:02,149
that want to have their stories heard
and believed. Um, and now people are

5094
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:02,159
and believed. Um, and now people are
 

5095
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:05,590
and believed. Um, and now people are
taking this video and going, "Well, this

5096
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:05,600
taking this video and going, "Well, this
 

5097
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,310
taking this video and going, "Well, this
was propped up by the Brony Fandone

5098
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:08,320
was propped up by the Brony Fandone
 

5099
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:09,750
was propped up by the Brony Fandone
account, which means all of the

5100
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:09,760
account, which means all of the
 

5101
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,790
account, which means all of the
information that Brony Fandone provided

5102
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:12,800
information that Brony Fandone provided
 

5103
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,510
information that Brony Fandone provided
is like ineligible."

5104
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:15,520
is like ineligible."
 

5105
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:15,830
is like ineligible."
>> Mhm.

5106
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:15,840
>> Mhm.
 

5107
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:16,870
>> Mhm.
>> Which I don't think that's how

5108
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:16,880
>> Which I don't think that's how
 

5109
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,109
>> Which I don't think that's how
information works. Um, if it felt very I

5110
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:21,119
information works. Um, if it felt very I
 

5111
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:24,310
information works. Um, if it felt very I
I was very incredulous about it all. Um,

5112
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:24,320
I was very incredulous about it all. Um,
 

5113
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,470
I was very incredulous about it all. Um,
but

5114
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:26,480
but
 

5115
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:29,030
but
it doesn't matter if I find that

5116
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:29,040
it doesn't matter if I find that
 

5117
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,030
it doesn't matter if I find that
baffling. It matters how people perceive

5118
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:31,040
baffling. It matters how people perceive
 

5119
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,229
baffling. It matters how people perceive
things.

5120
01:45:32,229 --> 01:45:32,239
things.
 

5121
01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:33,750
things.
>> Um,

5122
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:33,760
>> Um,
 

5123
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:38,310
>> Um,
and I try to remind people that there is

5124
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:38,320
and I try to remind people that there is
 

5125
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,790
and I try to remind people that there is
information put out. It's not my words

5126
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:40,800
information put out. It's not my words
 

5127
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,030
information put out. It's not my words
that people are going off of. It's what

5128
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:43,040
that people are going off of. It's what
 

5129
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:44,870
that people are going off of. It's what
is presented to them

5130
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:44,880
is presented to them
 

5131
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,990
is presented to them
>> that they can see with their own eyes.

5132
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:48,000
>> that they can see with their own eyes.
 

5133
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:50,629
>> that they can see with their own eyes.
>> Right. Um, but it wasn't it was an

5134
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:50,639
>> Right. Um, but it wasn't it was an
 

5135
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,550
>> Right. Um, but it wasn't it was an
uphill battle when everyone wanted to

5136
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:52,560
uphill battle when everyone wanted to
 

5137
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,870
uphill battle when everyone wanted to
talk about the KP video because I feel

5138
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:54,880
talk about the KP video because I feel
 

5139
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,750
talk about the KP video because I feel
like that

5140
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:57,760
like that
 

5141
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,910
like that
for a lot of people is comedic to talk

5142
01:45:59,910 --> 01:45:59,920
for a lot of people is comedic to talk
 

5143
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,870
for a lot of people is comedic to talk
about. It's it's drama. It's this train

5144
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:02,880
about. It's it's drama. It's this train
 

5145
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,669
about. It's it's drama. It's this train
wreck that they can all point at.

5146
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:05,679
wreck that they can all point at.
 

5147
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:07,430
wreck that they can all point at.
>> It made it 10 times harder kind of

5148
01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:07,440
>> It made it 10 times harder kind of
 

5149
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,430
>> It made it 10 times harder kind of
thing. Like what already was an uphill

5150
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:09,440
thing. Like what already was an uphill
 

5151
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:12,149
thing. Like what already was an uphill
battle is now like a steep slope.

5152
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:12,159
battle is now like a steep slope.
 

5153
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,070
battle is now like a steep slope.
>> Yeah. And at the time it wasn't even an

5154
01:46:14,070 --> 01:46:14,080
>> Yeah. And at the time it wasn't even an
 

5155
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,149
>> Yeah. And at the time it wasn't even an
uphill battle anymore for Griffin. It

5156
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:16,159
uphill battle anymore for Griffin. It
 

5157
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:18,950
uphill battle anymore for Griffin. It
was like we all the battle was pretty

5158
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:18,960
was like we all the battle was pretty
 

5159
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,470
was like we all the battle was pretty
much going great. We we we

5160
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:24,480
much going great. We we we
 

5161
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:27,430
much going great. We we we
convinced people uh we were able to show

5162
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:27,440
convinced people uh we were able to show
 

5163
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:29,990
convinced people uh we were able to show
people all the information

5164
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:30,000
people all the information
 

5165
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,189
people all the information
and had been able to get a lot done. Uh

5166
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:33,199
and had been able to get a lot done. Uh
 

5167
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:36,310
and had been able to get a lot done. Uh
he was dropped from Mob Entertainment.

5168
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:36,320
he was dropped from Mob Entertainment.
 

5169
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,790
he was dropped from Mob Entertainment.
He was dropped from uh multiple

5170
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:38,800
He was dropped from uh multiple
 

5171
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,470
He was dropped from uh multiple
conventions.

5172
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:40,480
conventions.
 

5173
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:43,669
conventions.
Uh people that knew him personally saw

5174
01:46:43,669 --> 01:46:43,679
Uh people that knew him personally saw
 

5175
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:45,510
Uh people that knew him personally saw
this information

5176
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:45,520
this information
 

5177
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:50,310
this information
and were were starting to rethink their

5178
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:50,320
and were were starting to rethink their
 

5179
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,229
and were were starting to rethink their
relationship with them to the point of

5180
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:52,239
relationship with them to the point of
 

5181
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:55,270
relationship with them to the point of
also leaving him and telling us more

5182
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:55,280
also leaving him and telling us more
 

5183
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:59,669
also leaving him and telling us more
information that I can't share, but

5184
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:59,679
information that I can't share, but
 

5185
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:03,510
information that I can't share, but
really highlights just how much is

5186
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:03,520
really highlights just how much is
 

5187
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,430
really highlights just how much is
[\h__\h] up with the situation.

5188
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:05,440
[\h__\h] up with the situation.
 

5189
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:05,910
[\h__\h] up with the situation.
>> Mhm.

5190
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:05,920
>> Mhm.
 

5191
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:07,990
>> Mhm.
>> Um

5192
01:47:07,990 --> 01:47:08,000
>> Um
 

5193
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,229
>> Um
I that's all I can say on that. I can

5194
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:10,239
I that's all I can say on that. I can
 

5195
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:11,590
I that's all I can say on that. I can
say that there are people that were

5196
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:11,600
say that there are people that were
 

5197
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:16,070
say that there are people that were
close to him that know a whole lot more

5198
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:16,080
close to him that know a whole lot more
 

5199
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,270
close to him that know a whole lot more
that I can't provide to the public.

5200
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:19,280
that I can't provide to the public.
 

5201
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,270
that I can't provide to the public.
>> But it is also damning,

5202
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:21,280
>> But it is also damning,
 

5203
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:21,669
>> But it is also damning,
>> right?

5204
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:21,679
>> right?
 

5205
01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:24,070
>> right?
>> Um,

5206
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:24,080
>> Um,
 

5207
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,550
>> Um,
so

5208
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:26,560
so
 

5209
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,310
so
sorry

5210
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:28,320
sorry
 

5211
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:29,990
sorry
I keep getting off off track.

5212
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:30,000
I keep getting off off track.
 

5213
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,189
I keep getting off off track.
>> No, it's okay. Uh, I mean, I guess since

5214
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:33,199
>> No, it's okay. Uh, I mean, I guess since
 

5215
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:34,550
>> No, it's okay. Uh, I mean, I guess since
we're talking about like the initial

5216
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:34,560
we're talking about like the initial
 

5217
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,950
we're talking about like the initial
backlash with all this, uh, it kind of

5218
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:36,960
backlash with all this, uh, it kind of
 

5219
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,910
backlash with all this, uh, it kind of
leads into events happening on live

5220
01:47:39,910 --> 01:47:39,920
leads into events happening on live
 

5221
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,350
leads into events happening on live
stream. Uh, we don't have to talk about

5222
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:41,360
stream. Uh, we don't have to talk about
 

5223
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,030
stream. Uh, we don't have to talk about
that if you're not super comfortable. I

5224
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:43,040
that if you're not super comfortable. I
 

5225
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:44,790
that if you're not super comfortable. I
totally understand.

5226
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:44,800
totally understand.
 

5227
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,030
totally understand.
>> It's okay. We can we can talk about it.

5228
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:47,040
>> It's okay. We can we can talk about it.
 

5229
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,629
>> It's okay. We can we can talk about it.
>> Okay. What What was going through your

5230
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:48,639
>> Okay. What What was going through your
 

5231
01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:52,709
>> Okay. What What was going through your
mind then? What the [\h__\h] happened?

5232
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:52,719

 

5233
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:55,750

So,

5234
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:55,760

 

5235
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,990

like I said, I don't want to discuss the

5236
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:58,000
like I said, I don't want to discuss the
 

5237
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,390
like I said, I don't want to discuss the
things that I shouldn't have posted, uh,

5238
01:48:00,390 --> 01:48:00,400
things that I shouldn't have posted, uh,
 

5239
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,790
things that I shouldn't have posted, uh,
because they were things that I was told

5240
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:02,800
because they were things that I was told
 

5241
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:03,990
because they were things that I was told
in confidence.

5242
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:04,000
in confidence.
 

5243
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:04,470
in confidence.
>> Mhm.

5244
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:04,480
>> Mhm.
 

5245
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:08,149
>> Mhm.
>> And then posted anyways. Um, but I will

5246
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:08,159
>> And then posted anyways. Um, but I will
 

5247
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:11,510
>> And then posted anyways. Um, but I will
say that what led to me

5248
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:11,520
say that what led to me
 

5249
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,950
say that what led to me
doing that was Saber surprisingly

5250
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:14,960
doing that was Saber surprisingly
 

5251
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,950
doing that was Saber surprisingly
released his video that morning um

5252
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:18,960
released his video that morning um
 

5253
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,430
released his video that morning um
is saying that the allegations against

5254
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:21,440
is saying that the allegations against
 

5255
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:23,590
is saying that the allegations against
him aren't true. And then he went on to

5256
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:23,600
him aren't true. And then he went on to
 

5257
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:28,709
him aren't true. And then he went on to
talk about KP and me and Sophie. Um,

5258
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:28,719
talk about KP and me and Sophie. Um,
 

5259
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:30,470
talk about KP and me and Sophie. Um,
so

5260
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:30,480
so
 

5261
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:34,709
so
I felt pretty good at the time because

5262
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:34,719
I felt pretty good at the time because
 

5263
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:37,430
I felt pretty good at the time because
at first it was like, okay, he's

5264
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:37,440
at first it was like, okay, he's
 

5265
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:39,510
at first it was like, okay, he's
pretending that Emily does not exist at

5266
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:39,520
pretending that Emily does not exist at
 

5267
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:44,149
pretending that Emily does not exist at
all. This will be easy. Uh,

5268
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:44,159
all. This will be easy. Uh,
 

5269
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:45,990
all. This will be easy. Uh,
I could let people know that Emily

5270
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:46,000
I could let people know that Emily
 

5271
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,030
I could let people know that Emily
exists and then this video is pointless.

5272
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:49,040
exists and then this video is pointless.
 

5273
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:49,430
exists and then this video is pointless.
Mhm.

5274
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:49,440
Mhm.
 

5275
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,510
Mhm.
>> Um

5276
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:51,520
>> Um
 

5277
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,709
>> Um
but uh things went differently and

5278
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:54,719
but uh things went differently and
 

5279
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:56,629
but uh things went differently and
people

5280
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:56,639
people
 

5281
01:48:56,639 --> 01:48:59,669
people
were latching on to his video a lot more

5282
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:59,679
were latching on to his video a lot more
 

5283
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:01,430
were latching on to his video a lot more
than I expected to because he doesn't

5284
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:01,440
than I expected to because he doesn't
 

5285
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:03,189
than I expected to because he doesn't
really say anything in his video aside

5286
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:03,199
really say anything in his video aside
 

5287
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:07,750
really say anything in his video aside
from KP's video is bad and uh Brony Fan

5288
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:07,760
from KP's video is bad and uh Brony Fan
 

5289
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,550
from KP's video is bad and uh Brony Fan
don't wants clout because he calls out

5290
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:10,560
don't wants clout because he calls out
 

5291
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:11,750
don't wants clout because he calls out
other people.

5292
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:11,760
other people.
 

5293
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:12,709
other people.
>> Mhm.

5294
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:12,719
>> Mhm.
 

5295
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:15,270
>> Mhm.
Yeah, KB's video is bad and I do call

5296
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:15,280
Yeah, KB's video is bad and I do call
 

5297
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,870
Yeah, KB's video is bad and I do call
out people, but the examples I gave that

5298
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:18,880
out people, but the examples I gave that
 

5299
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,990
out people, but the examples I gave that
he gave aren't examples of clout

5300
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:22,000
he gave aren't examples of clout
 

5301
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:23,590
he gave aren't examples of clout
chasing. They're examples of people have

5302
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:23,600
chasing. They're examples of people have
 

5303
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,550
chasing. They're examples of people have
done [\h__\h] Um, so I didn't expect the

5304
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:26,560
done [\h__\h] Um, so I didn't expect the
 

5305
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,030
done [\h__\h] Um, so I didn't expect the
reaction that people had um to that

5306
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:29,040
reaction that people had um to that
 

5307
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,030
reaction that people had um to that
video to be so strong in his favor

5308
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:31,040
video to be so strong in his favor
 

5309
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,750
video to be so strong in his favor
saying that he proved him his innocence

5310
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:33,760
saying that he proved him his innocence
 

5311
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,470
saying that he proved him his innocence
when he didn't even talk about anything.

5312
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:36,480
when he didn't even talk about anything.
 

5313
01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:39,270
when he didn't even talk about anything.
>> It's not really pro. I know people make

5314
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:39,280
>> It's not really pro. I know people make
 

5315
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,830
>> It's not really pro. I know people make
the argument that like if if it's an

5316
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:41,840
the argument that like if if it's an
 

5317
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,669
the argument that like if if it's an
alleged thing, what is he supposed to

5318
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:43,679
alleged thing, what is he supposed to
 

5319
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:44,790
alleged thing, what is he supposed to
talk about?

5320
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:44,800
talk about?
 

5321
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:47,270
talk about?
>> But he still didn't prove he was

5322
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:47,280
>> But he still didn't prove he was
 

5323
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,109
>> But he still didn't prove he was
innocent.

5324
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:49,119
innocent.
 

5325
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:50,790
innocent.
>> I mean, he's he's he has the challenge

5326
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:50,800
>> I mean, he's he's he has the challenge
 

5327
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,550
>> I mean, he's he's he has the challenge
of having to prove a negative kind of

5328
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:52,560
of having to prove a negative kind of
 

5329
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:56,390
of having to prove a negative kind of
thing. Like the most he can say is just

5330
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:56,400
thing. Like the most he can say is just
 

5331
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,430
thing. Like the most he can say is just
>> I mean, the most he can say is just

5332
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:59,440
>> I mean, the most he can say is just
 

5333
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:01,430
>> I mean, the most he can say is just
nuh-uh. Like at the time, and if he's

5334
01:50:01,430 --> 01:50:01,440
nuh-uh. Like at the time, and if he's
 

5335
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:04,229
nuh-uh. Like at the time, and if he's
going to set up doing legal stuff, he

5336
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:04,239
going to set up doing legal stuff, he
 

5337
01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:06,629
going to set up doing legal stuff, he
can't say anything beyond just nuh-uh.

5338
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:06,639
can't say anything beyond just nuh-uh.
 

5339
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:08,629
can't say anything beyond just nuh-uh.
You know what I mean? Like if he wanted

5340
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:08,639
You know what I mean? Like if he wanted
 

5341
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:11,109
You know what I mean? Like if he wanted
to prove his innocence, he he if he's

5342
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:11,119
to prove his innocence, he he if he's
 

5343
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:12,790
to prove his innocence, he he if he's
planning on doing any sort of lawsuit,

5344
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:12,800
planning on doing any sort of lawsuit,
 

5345
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,550
planning on doing any sort of lawsuit,
he'd do it in a courtroom. Maybe that's

5346
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:14,560
he'd do it in a courtroom. Maybe that's
 

5347
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,870
he'd do it in a courtroom. Maybe that's
what he's saving that for.

5348
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:16,880
what he's saving that for.
 

5349
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,750
what he's saving that for.
>> I

5350
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:19,760
>> I
 

5351
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,030
>> I
I I can see that perspective. I just

5352
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:23,040
I I can see that perspective. I just
 

5353
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:24,870
I I can see that perspective. I just
can't see the perspective of people

5354
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:24,880
can't see the perspective of people
 

5355
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,030
can't see the perspective of people
claiming that he proved anything.

5356
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:27,040
claiming that he proved anything.
 

5357
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:27,510
claiming that he proved anything.
>> Mhm.

5358
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:27,520
>> Mhm.
 

5359
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:31,270
>> Mhm.
>> Because at best he said he didn't do it.

5360
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:31,280
>> Because at best he said he didn't do it.
 

5361
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,830
>> Because at best he said he didn't do it.
That's the extent of evidence that he

5362
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:33,840
That's the extent of evidence that he
 

5363
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,910
That's the extent of evidence that he
gave to him not doing it.

5364
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:35,920
gave to him not doing it.
 

5365
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,390
gave to him not doing it.
>> Right. And I understand that people uh I

5366
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:38,400
>> Right. And I understand that people uh I
 

5367
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,950
>> Right. And I understand that people uh I
I understand the argument that he can't

5368
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:40,960
I understand the argument that he can't
 

5369
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:44,149
I understand the argument that he can't
prevent he can't present evidence of him

5370
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:44,159
prevent he can't present evidence of him
 

5371
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:46,550
prevent he can't present evidence of him
not doing something that he didn't do. I

5372
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:46,560
not doing something that he didn't do. I
 

5373
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,470
not doing something that he didn't do. I
understand that argument. It just

5374
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:48,480
understand that argument. It just
 

5375
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:52,070
understand that argument. It just
doesn't make it that he proved anything.

5376
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:52,080
doesn't make it that he proved anything.
 

5377
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:52,550
doesn't make it that he proved anything.
>> Mhm.

5378
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:52,560
>> Mhm.
 

5379
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:54,390
>> Mhm.
>> If he can't prove it, then he can't

5380
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:54,400
>> If he can't prove it, then he can't
 

5381
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,270
>> If he can't prove it, then he can't
prove it. But he doesn't even attempt to

5382
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:57,280
prove it. But he doesn't even attempt to
 

5383
01:50:57,280 --> 01:50:59,990
prove it. But he doesn't even attempt to
go over it. And if there's more reasons,

5384
01:50:59,990 --> 01:51:00,000
go over it. And if there's more reasons,
 

5385
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,830
go over it. And if there's more reasons,
if he's it's because of a court case or

5386
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:01,840
if he's it's because of a court case or
 

5387
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:04,709
if he's it's because of a court case or
anything, sure. But it's still not even

5388
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:04,719
anything, sure. But it's still not even
 

5389
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:07,990
anything, sure. But it's still not even
evidence against what he what happened,

5390
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:08,000
evidence against what he what happened,
 

5391
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,629
evidence against what he what happened,
what was alleged to him.

5392
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:10,639
what was alleged to him.
 

5393
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:13,830
what was alleged to him.
>> So people believing so strongly that he

5394
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:13,840
>> So people believing so strongly that he
 

5395
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,470
>> So people believing so strongly that he
without a shadow of a doubt is the

5396
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:16,480
without a shadow of a doubt is the
 

5397
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:19,350
without a shadow of a doubt is the
innocent party now was surprising

5398
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:19,360
innocent party now was surprising
 

5399
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,709
innocent party now was surprising
because he didn't say anything.

5400
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:22,719
because he didn't say anything.
 

5401
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:25,109
because he didn't say anything.
Um

5402
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:25,119
Um
 

5403
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:29,350
Um
so it it I was getting more and more um

5404
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:29,360
so it it I was getting more and more um
 

5405
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:32,709
so it it I was getting more and more um
depressed as that went on. I felt less

5406
01:51:32,709 --> 01:51:32,719
depressed as that went on. I felt less
 

5407
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:36,629
depressed as that went on. I felt less
hopeful. I felt that people were now

5408
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:36,639
hopeful. I felt that people were now
 

5409
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:40,229
hopeful. I felt that people were now
people kept trying to tie it to Griffin

5410
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:40,239
people kept trying to tie it to Griffin
 

5411
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:43,510
people kept trying to tie it to Griffin
2. They were saying things like, "Well,

5412
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:43,520
2. They were saying things like, "Well,
 

5413
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,070
2. They were saying things like, "Well,
if he's going to lie about Saber Spark,

5414
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:46,080
if he's going to lie about Saber Spark,
 

5415
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:47,830
if he's going to lie about Saber Spark,
then he must be lying about Black

5416
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:47,840
then he must be lying about Black
 

5417
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,189
then he must be lying about Black
Griffin, too." Just dismissing all

5418
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:51,199
Griffin, too." Just dismissing all
 

5419
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,990
Griffin, too." Just dismissing all
information without even acknowledging

5420
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:54,000
information without even acknowledging
 

5421
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,070
information without even acknowledging
any of the information.

5422
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:56,080
any of the information.
 

5423
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:59,910
any of the information.
>> Even though it wasn't my word alone. Um

5424
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:59,920
>> Even though it wasn't my word alone. Um
 

5425
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:02,149
>> Even though it wasn't my word alone. Um
it wasn't even word of mouth. It was

5426
01:52:02,149 --> 01:52:02,159
it wasn't even word of mouth. It was
 

5427
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:05,430
it wasn't even word of mouth. It was
physical things you could perceive.

5428
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:05,440
physical things you could perceive.
 

5429
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:08,550
physical things you could perceive.
>> Um but they wanted to just wrap it all

5430
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:08,560
>> Um but they wanted to just wrap it all
 

5431
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,790
>> Um but they wanted to just wrap it all
in a bow and say, "Well, we can forget

5432
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:10,800
in a bow and say, "Well, we can forget
 

5433
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,910
in a bow and say, "Well, we can forget
all this now." And it it was devastating

5434
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:13,920
all this now." And it it was devastating
 

5435
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:15,510
all this now." And it it was devastating
because

5436
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:15,520
because
 

5437
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,870
because
I I I talk to the people that are

5438
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:18,880
I I I talk to the people that are
 

5439
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:20,950
I I I talk to the people that are
affected by all this.

5440
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:20,960
affected by all this.
 

5441
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,109
affected by all this.
>> And at this point, I'm affected by all

5442
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:23,119
>> And at this point, I'm affected by all
 

5443
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:26,229
>> And at this point, I'm affected by all
this, too. People know who I am. It was

5444
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:26,239
this, too. People know who I am. It was
 

5445
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:27,669
this, too. People know who I am. It was
never a secret.

5446
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:27,679
never a secret.
 

5447
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:30,229
never a secret.
>> Mhm. But

5448
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:30,239
>> Mhm. But
 

5449
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:32,790
>> Mhm. But
it I am

5450
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:32,800
it I am
 

5451
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,189
it I am
attached to everything. So I wouldn't

5452
01:52:35,189 --> 01:52:35,199
attached to everything. So I wouldn't
 

5453
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:37,910
attached to everything. So I wouldn't
want to go around saying crazy

5454
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:37,920
want to go around saying crazy
 

5455
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:41,669
want to go around saying crazy
incredulous [\h__\h] if I wasn't sure. Um,

5456
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:41,679
incredulous [\h__\h] if I wasn't sure. Um,
 

5457
01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:44,149
incredulous [\h__\h] if I wasn't sure. Um,
and I am still sure of what happened

5458
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:44,159
and I am still sure of what happened
 

5459
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:47,750
and I am still sure of what happened
with Saber Spark and with Black Griffin.

5460
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:47,760
with Saber Spark and with Black Griffin.
 

5461
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,109
with Saber Spark and with Black Griffin.
>> But people were

5462
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:51,119
>> But people were
 

5463
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:53,990
>> But people were
telling me that I just wanted attention,

5464
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:54,000
telling me that I just wanted attention,
 

5465
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:55,750
telling me that I just wanted attention,
that I'm a liar, that I was making

5466
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:55,760
that I'm a liar, that I was making
 

5467
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:00,870
that I'm a liar, that I was making
things up. Um, and it felt

5468
01:53:00,870 --> 01:53:00,880
things up. Um, and it felt
 

5469
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,750
things up. Um, and it felt
it felt so hopeless because I knew it

5470
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:03,760
it felt so hopeless because I knew it
 

5471
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:08,310
it felt so hopeless because I knew it
was stupid to be blunt. I I there's no

5472
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:08,320
was stupid to be blunt. I I there's no
 

5473
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,070
was stupid to be blunt. I I there's no
reason for them to believe that. Nothing

5474
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:10,080
reason for them to believe that. Nothing
 

5475
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:13,750
reason for them to believe that. Nothing
that I've done presented

5476
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:13,760
that I've done presented
 

5477
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,550
that I've done presented
uh a person who just wanted to say [\h__\h]

5478
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:16,560
uh a person who just wanted to say [\h__\h]
 

5479
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,910
uh a person who just wanted to say [\h__\h]
for the sake of saying [\h__\h] Um, they do

5480
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:19,920
for the sake of saying [\h__\h] Um, they do
 

5481
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,750
for the sake of saying [\h__\h] Um, they do
they

5482
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:21,760
they
 

5483
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,550
they
at like at worst if people want to say

5484
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:24,560
at like at worst if people want to say
 

5485
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,310
at like at worst if people want to say
that it like I have bad intentions or

5486
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:28,320
that it like I have bad intentions or
 

5487
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:31,189
that it like I have bad intentions or
something, they can say that I believe

5488
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:31,199
something, they can say that I believe
 

5489
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:33,109
something, they can say that I believe
things too strongly if they really want

5490
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:33,119
things too strongly if they really want
 

5491
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:37,669
things too strongly if they really want
to. But to to act like I was seeking

5492
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:37,679
to. But to to act like I was seeking
 

5493
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:39,910
to. But to to act like I was seeking
validation through all of this, like

5494
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:39,920
validation through all of this, like
 

5495
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,910
validation through all of this, like
just wanting to get internet points or

5496
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:43,920
just wanting to get internet points or
 

5497
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,149
just wanting to get internet points or
that I was making stuff up, like it's

5498
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:46,159
that I was making stuff up, like it's
 

5499
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,470
that I was making stuff up, like it's
very dismissive for no reason. like I I

5500
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:48,480
very dismissive for no reason. like I I
 

5501
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:50,950
very dismissive for no reason. like I I
don't feel like I've done anything to

5502
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:50,960
don't feel like I've done anything to
 

5503
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,669
don't feel like I've done anything to
make them believe that, but that was the

5504
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:53,679
make them believe that, but that was the
 

5505
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:56,070
make them believe that, but that was the
that was what was being said anyways,

5506
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:56,080
that was what was being said anyways,
 

5507
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:56,550
that was what was being said anyways,
>> right?

5508
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:56,560
>> right?
 

5509
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,750
>> right?
>> Um and things kept falling apart from

5510
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:59,760
>> Um and things kept falling apart from
 

5511
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,109
>> Um and things kept falling apart from
there.

5512
01:54:01,109 --> 01:54:01,119
there.
 

5513
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:05,350
there.
>> Uh the because Saber Spark made a video

5514
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:05,360
>> Uh the because Saber Spark made a video
 

5515
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,510
>> Uh the because Saber Spark made a video
about it and it was very public. It got

5516
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:07,520
about it and it was very public. It got
 

5517
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,990
about it and it was very public. It got
like a million views within the first

5518
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:10,000
like a million views within the first
 

5519
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,550
like a million views within the first
few hours from what I recall. Um

5520
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:14,560
few hours from what I recall. Um
 

5521
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,629
few hours from what I recall. Um
I um

5522
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:16,639
I um
 

5523
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:18,950
I um
people in my personal life were started

5524
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:18,960
people in my personal life were started
 

5525
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,109
people in my personal life were started
to think that oh well if everyone's

5526
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:21,119
to think that oh well if everyone's
 

5527
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:23,669
to think that oh well if everyone's
saying he's a liar he's probably a liar.

5528
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:23,679
saying he's a liar he's probably a liar.
 

5529
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:26,229
saying he's a liar he's probably a liar.
Uh not people that I'm closer to. Those

5530
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:26,239
Uh not people that I'm closer to. Those
 

5531
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:27,990
Uh not people that I'm closer to. Those
people understood the situation to some

5532
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:28,000
people understood the situation to some
 

5533
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,870
people understood the situation to some
degree. I don't really try to inform

5534
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:30,880
degree. I don't really try to inform
 

5535
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,870
degree. I don't really try to inform
everyone on the Griffin situation in my

5536
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:34,880
everyone on the Griffin situation in my
 

5537
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,470
everyone on the Griffin situation in my
personal life. I try to keep it as

5538
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:36,480
personal life. I try to keep it as
 

5539
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,390
personal life. I try to keep it as
separate so I can remove myself when I

5540
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:38,400
separate so I can remove myself when I
 

5541
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:39,750
separate so I can remove myself when I
need to. M

5542
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:39,760
need to. M
 

5543
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,629
need to. M
>> but uh my closest friends did know about

5544
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:42,639
>> but uh my closest friends did know about
 

5545
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:46,390
>> but uh my closest friends did know about
the situation and how I was uh trying to

5546
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:46,400
the situation and how I was uh trying to
 

5547
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,830
the situation and how I was uh trying to
help people with it. Um and so they they

5548
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:49,840
help people with it. Um and so they they
 

5549
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:51,430
help people with it. Um and so they they
understood that this was all [\h__\h]

5550
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:51,440
understood that this was all [\h__\h]
 

5551
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,750
understood that this was all [\h__\h]
but it was a lot coming on me. But the

5552
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:53,760
but it was a lot coming on me. But the
 

5553
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:56,870
but it was a lot coming on me. But the
people I wasn't as close to saw it and

5554
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:56,880
people I wasn't as close to saw it and
 

5555
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:00,149
people I wasn't as close to saw it and
were like, "Oh, e and dropped me without

5556
01:55:00,149 --> 01:55:00,159
were like, "Oh, e and dropped me without
 

5557
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:03,750
were like, "Oh, e and dropped me without
even asking me about it." And it hurt.

5558
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:03,760
even asking me about it." And it hurt.
 

5559
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:08,470
even asking me about it." And it hurt.
It it it kept piling up. I felt that.

5560
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:08,480
It it it kept piling up. I felt that.
 

5561
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,310
It it it kept piling up. I felt that.
Well, now for the rest of my life,

5562
01:55:10,310 --> 01:55:10,320
Well, now for the rest of my life,
 

5563
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,870
Well, now for the rest of my life,
people are going to use this and point

5564
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:12,880
people are going to use this and point
 

5565
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,350
people are going to use this and point
to it and say, "Don't work with this

5566
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:15,360
to it and say, "Don't work with this
 

5567
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,750
to it and say, "Don't work with this
person." And as someone who wants to

5568
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:17,760
person." And as someone who wants to
 

5569
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:21,109
person." And as someone who wants to
make projects and do things, um,

5570
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:21,119
make projects and do things, um,
 

5571
01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:22,870
make projects and do things, um,
collaborations

5572
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:22,880
collaborations
 

5573
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,310
collaborations
at some point, um, someone who's been

5574
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:26,320
at some point, um, someone who's been
 

5575
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:30,629
at some point, um, someone who's been
trying to do things, um, this is going

5576
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:30,639
trying to do things, um, this is going
 

5577
01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:34,709
trying to do things, um, this is going
to end possibilities of that just

5578
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:34,719
to end possibilities of that just
 

5579
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:38,390
to end possibilities of that just
because I was trying to help people. Um,

5580
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:38,400
because I was trying to help people. Um,
 

5581
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:39,910
because I was trying to help people. Um,
and I can't really change that

5582
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:39,920
and I can't really change that
 

5583
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,310
and I can't really change that
perspective. I can't just tell tell

5584
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:42,320
perspective. I can't just tell tell
 

5585
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:43,830
perspective. I can't just tell tell
everyone

5586
01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:43,840
everyone
 

5587
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,390
everyone
it's not true and have them believe me.

5588
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:46,400
it's not true and have them believe me.
 

5589
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,070
it's not true and have them believe me.
I can't They won't always give me the

5590
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:48,080
I can't They won't always give me the
 

5591
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,990
I can't They won't always give me the
time a day to explain every little

5592
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:50,000
time a day to explain every little
 

5593
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,229
time a day to explain every little
minutia of what happened.

5594
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:52,239
minutia of what happened.
 

5595
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:52,950
minutia of what happened.
>> Mhm.

5596
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:52,960
>> Mhm.
 

5597
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:54,870
>> Mhm.
>> Um,

5598
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:54,880
>> Um,
 

5599
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:58,149
>> Um,
so I started to not see any hope for my

5600
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:58,159
so I started to not see any hope for my
 

5601
01:55:58,159 --> 01:55:59,990
so I started to not see any hope for my
future.

5602
01:55:59,990 --> 01:56:00,000
future.
 

5603
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,550
future.
Um, and people kept telling me to kill

5604
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:02,560
Um, and people kept telling me to kill
 

5605
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,830
Um, and people kept telling me to kill
myself. And I've I've had suicidal

5606
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:05,840
myself. And I've I've had suicidal
 

5607
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,830
myself. And I've I've had suicidal
tendencies in the past.

5608
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:07,840
tendencies in the past.
 

5609
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,950
tendencies in the past.
And people like to use that as evidence

5610
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:10,960
And people like to use that as evidence
 

5611
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:14,470
And people like to use that as evidence
that I am a liar, that I'm suicide

5612
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:14,480
that I am a liar, that I'm suicide
 

5613
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:17,430
that I am a liar, that I'm suicide
beating. Um, because I didn't actually

5614
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:17,440
beating. Um, because I didn't actually
 

5615
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,270
beating. Um, because I didn't actually
kill myself.

5616
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:19,280
kill myself.
 

5617
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,830
kill myself.
And I thought there's only one way to

5618
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:21,840
And I thought there's only one way to
 

5619
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,390
And I thought there's only one way to
prove them wrong, to let make people

5620
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:24,400
prove them wrong, to let make people
 

5621
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:25,910
prove them wrong, to let make people
believe

5622
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:25,920
believe
 

5623
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:29,109
believe
that I am not making things up. I'm not

5624
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:29,119
that I am not making things up. I'm not
 

5625
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:32,950
that I am not making things up. I'm not
just trying to get empathy. Uh, I

5626
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:32,960
just trying to get empathy. Uh, I
 

5627
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:35,030
just trying to get empathy. Uh, I
genuinely

5628
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:35,040
genuinely
 

5629
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:38,550
genuinely
have no sense of a future right now and

5630
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:38,560
have no sense of a future right now and
 

5631
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,350
have no sense of a future right now and
I'm genuinely in a terrible state of

5632
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:41,360
I'm genuinely in a terrible state of
 

5633
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:42,629
I'm genuinely in a terrible state of
mind.

5634
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:42,639
mind.
 

5635
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:45,750
mind.
>> Um, and the only way to prove those

5636
01:56:45,750 --> 01:56:45,760
>> Um, and the only way to prove those
 

5637
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:50,550
>> Um, and the only way to prove those
people wrong is to do it, is to die.

5638
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:50,560
people wrong is to do it, is to die.
 

5639
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:52,870
people wrong is to do it, is to die.
>> Um,

5640
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:52,880
>> Um,
 

5641
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,149
>> Um,
I don't feel that I proved them wrong by

5642
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:56,159
I don't feel that I proved them wrong by
 

5643
01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:58,149
I don't feel that I proved them wrong by
streaming and recording me going up to

5644
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:58,159
streaming and recording me going up to
 

5645
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:01,669
streaming and recording me going up to
the bridge. that wasn't my goal. Because

5646
01:57:01,669 --> 01:57:01,679
the bridge. that wasn't my goal. Because
 

5647
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:04,709
the bridge. that wasn't my goal. Because
if that was my goal, that doesn't change

5648
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:04,719
if that was my goal, that doesn't change
 

5649
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:06,709
if that was my goal, that doesn't change
anything. That they could still be like,

5650
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:06,719
anything. That they could still be like,
 

5651
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:09,750
anything. That they could still be like,
"Well, you didn't do it, so you must be

5652
01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:09,760
"Well, you didn't do it, so you must be
 

5653
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:12,149
"Well, you didn't do it, so you must be
you're a liar. You're just fading." My

5654
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:12,159
you're a liar. You're just fading." My
 

5655
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:13,669
you're a liar. You're just fading." My
goal

5656
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:13,679
goal
 

5657
01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:16,709
goal
in that moment was to do it.

5658
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:16,719
in that moment was to do it.
 

5659
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:19,669
in that moment was to do it.
Uh because it was the only way that they

5660
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:19,679
Uh because it was the only way that they
 

5661
01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:21,990
Uh because it was the only way that they
would stop

5662
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:22,000
would stop
 

5663
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,189
would stop
telling me how I actually feel

5664
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:25,199
telling me how I actually feel
 

5665
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:28,229
telling me how I actually feel
>> and maybe hopefully

5666
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:28,239
>> and maybe hopefully
 

5667
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:32,149
>> and maybe hopefully
stop acting like it was all disproven

5668
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:32,159
stop acting like it was all disproven
 

5669
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:34,790
stop acting like it was all disproven
and maybe they would start looking into

5670
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:34,800
and maybe they would start looking into
 

5671
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:37,430
and maybe they would start looking into
it again. It would be big news again and

5672
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:37,440
it again. It would be big news again and
 

5673
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,030
it again. It would be big news again and
they would believe Destiny and they

5674
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:39,040
they would believe Destiny and they
 

5675
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,109
they would believe Destiny and they
would believe the other victims again.

5676
01:57:41,109 --> 01:57:41,119
would believe the other victims again.
 

5677
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:45,030
would believe the other victims again.
>> Mhm. So, I wanted to change the

5678
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:45,040
>> Mhm. So, I wanted to change the
 

5679
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,070
>> Mhm. So, I wanted to change the
narrative on everything and I thought

5680
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:48,080
narrative on everything and I thought
 

5681
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,270
narrative on everything and I thought
one swan song and it could maybe get

5682
01:57:51,270 --> 01:57:51,280
one swan song and it could maybe get
 

5683
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:55,030
one swan song and it could maybe get
better. Um,

5684
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:55,040
better. Um,
 

5685
01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:00,870
better. Um,
but I I get scared. I don't

5686
01:58:00,870 --> 01:58:00,880

 

5687
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:04,229

I don't want to be hurt. I don't like

5688
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:04,239
I don't want to be hurt. I don't like
 

5689
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:06,870
I don't want to be hurt. I don't like
cut myself or anything. I don't want

5690
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:06,880
cut myself or anything. I don't want
 

5691
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:10,229
cut myself or anything. I don't want
pain. I just sometimes life gets to a

5692
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:10,239
pain. I just sometimes life gets to a
 

5693
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:13,270
pain. I just sometimes life gets to a
point where I don't want it

5694
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:13,280
point where I don't want it
 

5695
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:17,350
point where I don't want it
>> and every time I I think about it or do

5696
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:17,360
>> and every time I I think about it or do
 

5697
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:20,629
>> and every time I I think about it or do
anything about it, I back out because

5698
01:58:20,629 --> 01:58:20,639
anything about it, I back out because
 

5699
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:23,510
anything about it, I back out because
I'm afraid that I'll mess it up and I'll

5700
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:23,520
I'm afraid that I'll mess it up and I'll
 

5701
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,750
I'm afraid that I'll mess it up and I'll
just be in agony.

5702
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:25,760
just be in agony.
 

5703
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,109
just be in agony.
>> Mhm.

5704
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:27,119
>> Mhm.
 

5705
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,189
>> Mhm.
>> In in those extreme moments, if I ever

5706
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:29,199
>> In in those extreme moments, if I ever
 

5707
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:32,950
>> In in those extreme moments, if I ever
had a way of instant like

5708
01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:32,960
had a way of instant like
 

5709
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:36,950
had a way of instant like
out, I might have taken it. But jumping

5710
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:36,960
out, I might have taken it. But jumping
 

5711
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:40,950
out, I might have taken it. But jumping
off a bridge is not a guarantee. Uh

5712
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:40,960
off a bridge is not a guarantee. Uh
 

5713
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,629
off a bridge is not a guarantee. Uh
other methods that I know are not a

5714
01:58:42,629 --> 01:58:42,639
other methods that I know are not a
 

5715
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:46,229
other methods that I know are not a
guarantee. So luckily I don't I haven't

5716
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:46,239
guarantee. So luckily I don't I haven't
 

5717
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:48,629
guarantee. So luckily I don't I haven't
done it because I'm I always my brain

5718
01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:48,639
done it because I'm I always my brain
 

5719
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:51,510
done it because I'm I always my brain
starts rushing with but what if I

5720
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:51,520
starts rushing with but what if I
 

5721
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,790
starts rushing with but what if I
survive this but then I'm just like

5722
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:54,800
survive this but then I'm just like
 

5723
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,910
survive this but then I'm just like
broken as a person like physically uh

5724
01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:57,920
broken as a person like physically uh
 

5725
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,870
broken as a person like physically uh
and I I it hurts and I or I lose a leg

5726
01:59:00,870 --> 01:59:00,880
and I I it hurts and I or I lose a leg
 

5727
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:03,189
and I I it hurts and I or I lose a leg
or something and and then I have to go

5728
01:59:03,189 --> 01:59:03,199
or something and and then I have to go
 

5729
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:05,430
or something and and then I have to go
on and I have bills from the hospital

5730
01:59:05,430 --> 01:59:05,440
on and I have bills from the hospital
 

5731
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:08,390
on and I have bills from the hospital
and like it my life is just this harder

5732
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:08,400
and like it my life is just this harder
 

5733
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,070
and like it my life is just this harder
but I'm still living it.

5734
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:10,080
but I'm still living it.
 

5735
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,430
but I'm still living it.
>> Mhm. So

5736
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:13,440
>> Mhm. So
 

5737
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:16,390
>> Mhm. So
that

5738
01:59:16,390 --> 01:59:16,400
that
 

5739
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:21,030
that
that um got me to stop and I I felt like

5740
01:59:21,030 --> 01:59:21,040
that um got me to stop and I I felt like
 

5741
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,550
that um got me to stop and I I felt like
I couldn't stop because I've already

5742
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:22,560
I couldn't stop because I've already
 

5743
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:24,070
I couldn't stop because I've already
gone that far.

5744
01:59:24,070 --> 01:59:24,080
gone that far.
 

5745
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:24,950
gone that far.
>> Mhm.

5746
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:24,960
>> Mhm.
 

5747
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,310
>> Mhm.
>> But every thought is rushing in my head.

5748
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:28,320
>> But every thought is rushing in my head.
 

5749
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,750
>> But every thought is rushing in my head.
The thought that if I don't do this, it

5750
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:31,760
The thought that if I don't do this, it
 

5751
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,910
The thought that if I don't do this, it
will only be worse. It won't have

5752
01:59:33,910 --> 01:59:33,920
will only be worse. It won't have
 

5753
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:36,709
will only be worse. It won't have
changed anything if I don't do this. The

5754
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:36,719
changed anything if I don't do this. The
 

5755
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:38,550
changed anything if I don't do this. The
thought that if I don't do this, I'm

5756
01:59:38,550 --> 01:59:38,560
thought that if I don't do this, I'm
 

5757
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:41,830
thought that if I don't do this, I'm
going to be put back. uh in the hospital

5758
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:41,840
going to be put back. uh in the hospital
 

5759
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:44,229
going to be put back. uh in the hospital
for like a another week because I've

5760
01:59:44,229 --> 01:59:44,239
for like a another week because I've
 

5761
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:46,070
for like a another week because I've
I've done that before and I've hated it.

5762
01:59:46,070 --> 01:59:46,080
I've done that before and I've hated it.
 

5763
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,550
I've done that before and I've hated it.
It just it just feels like I'm sitting

5764
01:59:48,550 --> 01:59:48,560
It just it just feels like I'm sitting
 

5765
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,510
It just it just feels like I'm sitting
around waiting to go back to my life

5766
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:51,520
around waiting to go back to my life
 

5767
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:53,350
around waiting to go back to my life
while things are still bad. It doesn't

5768
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:53,360
while things are still bad. It doesn't
 

5769
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,669
while things are still bad. It doesn't
feel like I'm getting helped. Um

5770
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:57,679
feel like I'm getting helped. Um
 

5771
01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:00,870
feel like I'm getting helped. Um
and I I didn't want to go back to that.

5772
02:00:00,870 --> 02:00:00,880
and I I didn't want to go back to that.
 

5773
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:05,189
and I I didn't want to go back to that.
So, I thought I needed to. Um sorry, I I

5774
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:05,199
So, I thought I needed to. Um sorry, I I
 

5775
02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:07,030
So, I thought I needed to. Um sorry, I I
every question you give me, I go on and

5776
02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:07,040
every question you give me, I go on and
 

5777
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:07,510
every question you give me, I go on and
on.

5778
02:00:07,510 --> 02:00:07,520
on.
 

5779
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:10,950
on.
>> No, it's okay. I I'll I'll just just cut

5780
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:10,960
>> No, it's okay. I I'll I'll just just cut
 

5781
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:12,870
>> No, it's okay. I I'll I'll just just cut
you off by asking like how like you're

5782
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:12,880
you off by asking like how like you're
 

5783
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,430
you off by asking like how like you're
doing okay now. Like I'm very sorry that

5784
02:00:15,430 --> 02:00:15,440
doing okay now. Like I'm very sorry that
 

5785
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:17,109
doing okay now. Like I'm very sorry that
this sucks. Like I come I'm in your

5786
02:00:17,109 --> 02:00:17,119
this sucks. Like I come I'm in your
 

5787
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:19,270
this sucks. Like I come I'm in your
shoes. Like I'm not a cutter either, but

5788
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:19,280
shoes. Like I'm not a cutter either, but
 

5789
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:21,189
shoes. Like I'm not a cutter either, but
I I have moments where I'm just like I

5790
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:21,199
I I have moments where I'm just like I
 

5791
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:22,550
I I have moments where I'm just like I
wish I could just fall asleep and never

5792
02:00:22,550 --> 02:00:22,560
wish I could just fall asleep and never
 

5793
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:24,629
wish I could just fall asleep and never
wake up. Like I get it. I totally get

5794
02:00:24,629 --> 02:00:24,639
wake up. Like I get it. I totally get
 

5795
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:26,310
wake up. Like I get it. I totally get
it. But I just I just hope that you're

5796
02:00:26,310 --> 02:00:26,320
it. But I just I just hope that you're
 

5797
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,229
it. But I just I just hope that you're
doing okay now. You know,

5798
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:28,239
doing okay now. You know,
 

5799
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:31,510
doing okay now. You know,
>> I'm I'm doing all right now. Things have

5800
02:00:31,510 --> 02:00:31,520
>> I'm I'm doing all right now. Things have
 

5801
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,910
>> I'm I'm doing all right now. Things have
>> mellowed out. I've I've stopped fighting

5802
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:35,920
>> mellowed out. I've I've stopped fighting
 

5803
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:38,310
>> mellowed out. I've I've stopped fighting
every person on the internet.

5804
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:38,320
every person on the internet.
 

5805
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:38,629
every person on the internet.
>> Mhm.

5806
02:00:38,629 --> 02:00:38,639
>> Mhm.
 

5807
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:41,109
>> Mhm.
>> Instead, I just the the ones that are

5808
02:00:41,109 --> 02:00:41,119
>> Instead, I just the the ones that are
 

5809
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:45,350
>> Instead, I just the the ones that are
very clearly not caring about what they

5810
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:45,360
very clearly not caring about what they
 

5811
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,109
very clearly not caring about what they
say,

5812
02:00:47,109 --> 02:00:47,119
say,
 

5813
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:50,390
say,
uh, I just block. I don't and it's has

5814
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:50,400
uh, I just block. I don't and it's has
 

5815
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:51,350
uh, I just block. I don't and it's has
been better,

5816
02:00:51,350 --> 02:00:51,360
been better,
 

5817
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:51,830
been better,
>> right,

5818
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:51,840
>> right,
 

5819
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:52,790
>> right,
>> doing that.

5820
02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:52,800
>> doing that.
 

5821
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,669
>> doing that.
>> That's what that feature is for.

5822
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:55,679
>> That's what that feature is for.
 

5823
02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:59,430
>> That's what that feature is for.
>> So, it it feels like I I need to prove

5824
02:00:59,430 --> 02:00:59,440
>> So, it it feels like I I need to prove
 

5825
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,669
>> So, it it feels like I I need to prove
myself. I I feel like that a lot of

5826
02:01:01,669 --> 02:01:01,679
myself. I I feel like that a lot of
 

5827
02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:04,550
myself. I I feel like that a lot of
things in my past have made me the kind

5828
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:04,560
things in my past have made me the kind
 

5829
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,430
things in my past have made me the kind
of person who always needs to prove that

5830
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:07,440
of person who always needs to prove that
 

5831
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,430
of person who always needs to prove that
I'm not

5832
02:01:09,430 --> 02:01:09,440
I'm not
 

5833
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:12,550
I'm not
nothing. Um

5834
02:01:12,550 --> 02:01:12,560
nothing. Um
 

5835
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:16,790
nothing. Um
but I I I realize that I can't convince

5836
02:01:16,790 --> 02:01:16,800
but I I I realize that I can't convince
 

5837
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,629
but I I I realize that I can't convince
people who don't want to be convinced

5838
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:18,639
people who don't want to be convinced
 

5839
02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:23,189
people who don't want to be convinced
and I can't I it is and people who want

5840
02:01:23,189 --> 02:01:23,199
and I can't I it is and people who want
 

5841
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:26,390
and I can't I it is and people who want
to just insult are not going to be

5842
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:26,400
to just insult are not going to be
 

5843
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:27,589
to just insult are not going to be
convinced by me.

5844
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:27,599
convinced by me.
 

5845
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:30,310
convinced by me.
>> Sure. Um,

5846
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:30,320
>> Sure. Um,
 

5847
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:32,390
>> Sure. Um,
and sometimes I I would validate it in

5848
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:32,400
and sometimes I I would validate it in
 

5849
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,550
and sometimes I I would validate it in
my head like, well, I'm arguing with

5850
02:01:34,550 --> 02:01:34,560
my head like, well, I'm arguing with
 

5851
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,550
my head like, well, I'm arguing with
them, but it's for the sake of other

5852
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:36,560
them, but it's for the sake of other
 

5853
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:38,950
them, but it's for the sake of other
people to see and see how stupid they're

5854
02:01:38,950 --> 02:01:38,960
people to see and see how stupid they're
 

5855
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:43,030
people to see and see how stupid they're
being. But I realized that it's just

5856
02:01:43,030 --> 02:01:43,040
being. But I realized that it's just
 

5857
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:44,470
being. But I realized that it's just
better to present the information

5858
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:44,480
better to present the information
 

5859
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:47,109
better to present the information
without all the extra nonsense on the

5860
02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:47,119
without all the extra nonsense on the
 

5861
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:47,830
without all the extra nonsense on the
side.

5862
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:47,840
side.
 

5863
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,790
side.
>> Mhm. So, what was the reason in letting

5864
02:01:50,790 --> 02:01:50,800
>> Mhm. So, what was the reason in letting
 

5865
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,109
>> Mhm. So, what was the reason in letting
you back into the Brony Fandone account?

5866
02:01:53,109 --> 02:01:53,119
you back into the Brony Fandone account?
 

5867
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:55,430
you back into the Brony Fandone account?
Like I mean from my perspective, right,

5868
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:55,440
Like I mean from my perspective, right,
 

5869
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,510
Like I mean from my perspective, right,
and this is just me speaking on behalf

5870
02:01:57,510 --> 02:01:57,520
and this is just me speaking on behalf
 

5871
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,709
and this is just me speaking on behalf
of like if I were in Sophie's situation,

5872
02:02:00,709 --> 02:02:00,719
of like if I were in Sophie's situation,
 

5873
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:03,030
of like if I were in Sophie's situation,
uh if I had seen that this whole

5874
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:03,040
uh if I had seen that this whole
 

5875
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,950
uh if I had seen that this whole
situation and being online had caused

5876
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:04,960
situation and being online had caused
 

5877
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:08,070
situation and being online had caused
you to want to jump, I wouldn't have let

5878
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:08,080
you to want to jump, I wouldn't have let
 

5879
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,430
you to want to jump, I wouldn't have let
you back in the account. And that's just

5880
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:09,440
you back in the account. And that's just
 

5881
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:10,709
you back in the account. And that's just
me. That's just because I want to look

5882
02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:10,719
me. That's just because I want to look
 

5883
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:13,030
me. That's just because I want to look
out for you and I want to make sure that

5884
02:02:13,030 --> 02:02:13,040
out for you and I want to make sure that
 

5885
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:14,790
out for you and I want to make sure that
like if if social media makes you

5886
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:14,800
like if if social media makes you
 

5887
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,270
like if if social media makes you
suicidal, I would I would keep you away

5888
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:17,280
suicidal, I would I would keep you away
 

5889
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:18,709
suicidal, I would I would keep you away
from the things that make you want to

5890
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:18,719
from the things that make you want to
 

5891
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:22,790
from the things that make you want to
kill yourself. So, I I'm just curious as

5892
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:22,800
kill yourself. So, I I'm just curious as
 

5893
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,229
kill yourself. So, I I'm just curious as
to why you decided to come back to the

5894
02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:26,239
to why you decided to come back to the
 

5895
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:29,030
to why you decided to come back to the
Brony Fandone account.

5896
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:29,040
Brony Fandone account.
 

5897
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:33,510
Brony Fandone account.
>> I don't want to speak for Sophie, but I

5898
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:33,520
>> I don't want to speak for Sophie, but I
 

5899
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,830
>> I don't want to speak for Sophie, but I
I don't

5900
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:35,840
I don't
 

5901
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,990
I don't
>> I don't think it's that

5902
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:38,000
>> I don't think it's that
 

5903
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:39,830
>> I don't think it's that
>> I don't think it's the way you you

5904
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:39,840
>> I don't think it's the way you you
 

5905
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:43,350
>> I don't think it's the way you you
explained it. I I I think that

5906
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:43,360
explained it. I I I think that
 

5907
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,270
explained it. I I I think that
>> she understoods

5908
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:45,280
>> she understoods
 

5909
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,350
>> she understoods
the circumstances of what led to

5910
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:47,360
the circumstances of what led to
 

5911
02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:48,229
the circumstances of what led to
everything

5912
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:48,239
everything
 

5913
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,950
everything
>> Mhm. were extreme.

5914
02:02:50,950 --> 02:02:50,960
>> Mhm. were extreme.
 

5915
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:54,470
>> Mhm. were extreme.
Um, and but those circumstances were

5916
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:54,480
Um, and but those circumstances were
 

5917
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:55,990
Um, and but those circumstances were
also not something that would happen

5918
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:56,000
also not something that would happen
 

5919
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,430
also not something that would happen
every day.

5920
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:57,440
every day.
 

5921
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,750
every day.
>> Um,

5922
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:59,760
>> Um,
 

5923
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:01,910
>> Um,
even if Sabres Spark made a second video

5924
02:03:01,910 --> 02:03:01,920
even if Sabres Spark made a second video
 

5925
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:05,510
even if Sabres Spark made a second video
talking about me again, the level of the

5926
02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:05,520
talking about me again, the level of the
 

5927
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:07,189
talking about me again, the level of the
things would not get to the same height

5928
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:07,199
things would not get to the same height
 

5929
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:12,070
things would not get to the same height
as they did in that point. Um

5930
02:03:12,070 --> 02:03:12,080

 

5931
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,189

the I for one I've already dealt with

5932
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:15,199
the I for one I've already dealt with
 

5933
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:16,950
the I for one I've already dealt with
that so I could be better prepared but

5934
02:03:16,950 --> 02:03:16,960
that so I could be better prepared but
 

5935
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,629
that so I could be better prepared but
two like people aren't going to have the

5936
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:18,639
two like people aren't going to have the
 

5937
02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:20,790
two like people aren't going to have the
same energy that they would they had in

5938
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:20,800
same energy that they would they had in
 

5939
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:24,229
same energy that they would they had in
that first initial surge when everyone

5940
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:24,239
that first initial surge when everyone
 

5941
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:27,510
that first initial surge when everyone
was just you know knee-jerk reaction to

5942
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:27,520
was just you know knee-jerk reaction to
 

5943
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:31,189
was just you know knee-jerk reaction to
going at it. Um

5944
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:31,199
going at it. Um
 

5945
02:03:31,199 --> 02:03:35,510
going at it. Um
and she she knows that I was doing

5946
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:35,520
and she she knows that I was doing
 

5947
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:39,589
and she she knows that I was doing
better. we we talk and

5948
02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:39,599
better. we we talk and
 

5949
02:03:39,599 --> 02:03:43,589
better. we we talk and
I I didn't even want back in to keep

5950
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:43,599
I I didn't even want back in to keep
 

5951
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:47,430
I I didn't even want back in to keep
doing things. I wanted back in so that I

5952
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:47,440
doing things. I wanted back in so that I
 

5953
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:51,430
doing things. I wanted back in so that I
could remove um the situations that I

5954
02:03:51,430 --> 02:03:51,440
could remove um the situations that I
 

5955
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:53,830
could remove um the situations that I
did leading up to that

5956
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:53,840
did leading up to that
 

5957
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:57,510
did leading up to that
>> because I was not myself and I posted

5958
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:57,520
>> because I was not myself and I posted
 

5959
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,350
>> because I was not myself and I posted
things that I shouldn't have.

5960
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:59,360
things that I shouldn't have.
 

5961
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:02,229
things that I shouldn't have.
>> Mhm. Uh, you know, I I I didn't post

5962
02:04:02,229 --> 02:04:02,239
>> Mhm. Uh, you know, I I I didn't post
 

5963
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,550
>> Mhm. Uh, you know, I I I didn't post
things

5964
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:04,560
things
 

5965
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:09,510
things
that were lies or that were like

5966
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:09,520
that were lies or that were like
 

5967
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:12,149
that were lies or that were like
that were bad. I but I posted things

5968
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:12,159
that were bad. I but I posted things
 

5969
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:14,070
that were bad. I but I posted things
that were

5970
02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:14,080
that were
 

5971
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:16,550
that were
not as levelheaded as as I should have

5972
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:16,560
not as levelheaded as as I should have
 

5973
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:19,189
not as levelheaded as as I should have
been and some of them were things that I

5974
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:19,199
been and some of them were things that I
 

5975
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:20,470
been and some of them were things that I
shouldn't have shared because I didn't

5976
02:04:20,470 --> 02:04:20,480
shouldn't have shared because I didn't
 

5977
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:21,910
shouldn't have shared because I didn't
have permission,

5978
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:21,920
have permission,
 

5979
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:22,229
have permission,
>> right?

5980
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:22,239
>> right?
 

5981
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:26,629
>> right?
>> Um, and I wanted to not let people just

5982
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:26,639
>> Um, and I wanted to not let people just
 

5983
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:28,870
>> Um, and I wanted to not let people just
look at that all the time. And I but I

5984
02:04:28,870 --> 02:04:28,880
look at that all the time. And I but I
 

5985
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:31,350
look at that all the time. And I but I
did want to unlock the account

5986
02:04:31,350 --> 02:04:31,360
did want to unlock the account
 

5987
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,589
did want to unlock the account
>> so that people could still see every all

5988
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:33,599
>> so that people could still see every all
 

5989
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:35,830
>> so that people could still see every all
the information that was provided about

5990
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:35,840
the information that was provided about
 

5991
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:37,830
the information that was provided about
all these different things,

5992
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:37,840
all these different things,
 

5993
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:38,229
all these different things,
>> right?

5994
02:04:38,229 --> 02:04:38,239
>> right?
 

5995
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:40,070
>> right?
>> Uh I didn't I didn't want that to be

5996
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:40,080
>> Uh I didn't I didn't want that to be
 

5997
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:43,750
>> Uh I didn't I didn't want that to be
inaccessible because of me. Um and I

5998
02:04:43,750 --> 02:04:43,760
inaccessible because of me. Um and I
 

5999
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,750
inaccessible because of me. Um and I
knew that Sophie had a hard time looking

6000
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:45,760
knew that Sophie had a hard time looking
 

6001
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:48,070
knew that Sophie had a hard time looking
at the account after everything that

6002
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:48,080
at the account after everything that
 

6003
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:49,669
at the account after everything that
happened.

6004
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:49,679
happened.
 

6005
02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:50,390
happened.
>> Um

6006
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:50,400
>> Um
 

6007
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:51,910
>> Um
>> I'm surprised she didn't just delete it

6008
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:51,920
>> I'm surprised she didn't just delete it
 

6009
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,229
>> I'm surprised she didn't just delete it
herself to be honest. like

6010
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:54,239
herself to be honest. like
 

6011
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,550
herself to be honest. like
>> she had a hard time

6012
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:56,560
>> she had a hard time
 

6013
02:04:56,560 --> 02:05:00,870
>> she had a hard time
getting on like

6014
02:05:00,870 --> 02:05:00,880

 

6015
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,270

she she was there during everything. She

6016
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:03,280
she she was there during everything. She
 

6017
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:06,950
she she was there during everything. She
saw what I did. She was scared for me.

6018
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:06,960
saw what I did. She was scared for me.
 

6019
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,070
saw what I did. She was scared for me.
She

6020
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:08,080
She
 

6021
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:09,669
She
>> she she's

6022
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:09,679
>> she she's
 

6023
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:12,149
>> she she's
a very caring person. She did not let me

6024
02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:12,159
a very caring person. She did not let me
 

6025
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:14,550
a very caring person. She did not let me
on because she does not care.

6026
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:14,560
on because she does not care.
 

6027
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:15,109
on because she does not care.
>> Mhm.

6028
02:05:15,109 --> 02:05:15,119
>> Mhm.
 

6029
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:20,229
>> Mhm.
>> Um it was not easy for her. Um, but I I

6030
02:05:20,229 --> 02:05:20,239
>> Um it was not easy for her. Um, but I I
 

6031
02:05:20,239 --> 02:05:22,790
>> Um it was not easy for her. Um, but I I
feel that people

6032
02:05:22,790 --> 02:05:22,800
feel that people
 

6033
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:26,149
feel that people
aren't as

6034
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:26,159
aren't as
 

6035
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:29,910
aren't as
people that aren't us have less lenience

6036
02:05:29,910 --> 02:05:29,920
people that aren't us have less lenience
 

6037
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,629
people that aren't us have less lenience
on what is and isn't

6038
02:05:32,629 --> 02:05:32,639
on what is and isn't
 

6039
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:36,229
on what is and isn't
um okay in that situation. What isn't

6040
02:05:36,229 --> 02:05:36,239
um okay in that situation. What isn't
 

6041
02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:39,189
um okay in that situation. What isn't
what isn't isn't a good idea because

6042
02:05:39,189 --> 02:05:39,199
what isn't isn't a good idea because
 

6043
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:41,350
what isn't isn't a good idea because
they don't really see us as people. They

6044
02:05:41,350 --> 02:05:41,360
they don't really see us as people. They
 

6045
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:45,270
they don't really see us as people. They
see me as someone who's unstable and her

6046
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:45,280
see me as someone who's unstable and her
 

6047
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:47,589
see me as someone who's unstable and her
as someone who

6048
02:05:47,589 --> 02:05:47,599
as someone who
 

6049
02:05:47,599 --> 02:05:50,470
as someone who
uh allowed this unstable person back

6050
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:50,480
uh allowed this unstable person back
 

6051
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:53,910
uh allowed this unstable person back
onto this account, which that's not

6052
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:53,920
onto this account, which that's not
 

6053
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:56,629
onto this account, which that's not
that's not a summary of me or the

6054
02:05:56,629 --> 02:05:56,639
that's not a summary of me or the
 

6055
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:00,070
that's not a summary of me or the
situation. That's that's a very like

6056
02:06:00,070 --> 02:06:00,080
situation. That's that's a very like
 

6057
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:01,990
situation. That's that's a very like
from the lens of someone who only knows

6058
02:06:01,990 --> 02:06:02,000
from the lens of someone who only knows
 

6059
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,310
from the lens of someone who only knows
that. That's how it seems. But we're

6060
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:04,320
that. That's how it seems. But we're
 

6061
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,669
that. That's how it seems. But we're
people. We live our lives. It's been a

6062
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:07,679
people. We live our lives. It's been a
 

6063
02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:10,790
people. We live our lives. It's been a
lot of has happened while only being a

6064
02:06:10,790 --> 02:06:10,800
lot of has happened while only being a
 

6065
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:14,070
lot of has happened while only being a
month uh a month and a half since all

6066
02:06:14,070 --> 02:06:14,080
month uh a month and a half since all
 

6067
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:14,629
month uh a month and a half since all
that.

6068
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:14,639
that.
 

6069
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,709
that.
>> Speaking of people that portray you as

6070
02:06:16,709 --> 02:06:16,719
>> Speaking of people that portray you as
 

6071
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:20,229
>> Speaking of people that portray you as
crazy. Um segue uh let's talk about the

6072
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:20,239
crazy. Um segue uh let's talk about the
 

6073
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:23,669
crazy. Um segue uh let's talk about the
Copenith video. Uh Copenith is a content

6074
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:23,679
Copenith video. Uh Copenith is a content
 

6075
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:25,430
Copenith video. Uh Copenith is a content
creator also known as Becket and there's

6076
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:25,440
creator also known as Becket and there's
 

6077
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:27,109
creator also known as Becket and there's
a second person that runs the account,

6078
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:27,119
a second person that runs the account,
 

6079
02:06:27,119 --> 02:06:31,109
a second person that runs the account,
Jenny I believe is her name. Um, and

6080
02:06:31,109 --> 02:06:31,119
Jenny I believe is her name. Um, and
 

6081
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:33,030
Jenny I believe is her name. Um, and
they made a video that features Michelle

6082
02:06:33,030 --> 02:06:33,040
they made a video that features Michelle
 

6083
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:35,030
they made a video that features Michelle
and Claire and a lot of other people on

6084
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:35,040
and Claire and a lot of other people on
 

6085
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,589
and Claire and a lot of other people on
the polar opposite I suppose of this.

6086
02:06:37,589 --> 02:06:37,599
the polar opposite I suppose of this.
 

6087
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:39,669
the polar opposite I suppose of this.
Um, they bring up a lot of things about

6088
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:39,679
Um, they bring up a lot of things about
 

6089
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:42,229
Um, they bring up a lot of things about
you. Um, a lot of things about Amy new

6090
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:42,239
you. Um, a lot of things about Amy new
 

6091
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:45,830
you. Um, a lot of things about Amy new
and also Sophie Shrugs. Um, and most of

6092
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:45,840
and also Sophie Shrugs. Um, and most of
 

6093
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:48,790
and also Sophie Shrugs. Um, and most of
it was mostly just kind of explaining

6094
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:48,800
it was mostly just kind of explaining
 

6095
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:51,030
it was mostly just kind of explaining
h how bad the KP video was. KP was in

6096
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:51,040
h how bad the KP video was. KP was in
 

6097
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:52,790
h how bad the KP video was. KP was in
that video which I was very shocked by.

6098
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:52,800
that video which I was very shocked by.
 

6099
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,189
that video which I was very shocked by.
I I would to be fair though, she's

6100
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:55,199
I I would to be fair though, she's
 

6101
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:58,790
I I would to be fair though, she's
talking to a lot of people like like uh

6102
02:06:58,790 --> 02:06:58,800
talking to a lot of people like like uh
 

6103
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:00,790
talking to a lot of people like like uh
that slug guy that I'm like why would

6104
02:07:00,790 --> 02:07:00,800
that slug guy that I'm like why would
 

6105
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:02,790
that slug guy that I'm like why would
you even [\h__\h] talk to him? But

6106
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:02,800
you even [\h__\h] talk to him? But
 

6107
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:04,470
you even [\h__\h] talk to him? But
>> yeah, I think she talks to anyone who

6108
02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:04,480
>> yeah, I think she talks to anyone who
 

6109
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:05,510
>> yeah, I think she talks to anyone who
asks honestly.

6110
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:05,520
asks honestly.
 

6111
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:06,870
asks honestly.
>> Literally. Yeah, that's what the feeling

6112
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:06,880
>> Literally. Yeah, that's what the feeling
 

6113
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,350
>> Literally. Yeah, that's what the feeling
I was getting. I'm just like if I were I

6114
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:09,360
I was getting. I'm just like if I were I
 

6115
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:10,950
I was getting. I'm just like if I were I
know so much about Schlug that I would

6116
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:10,960
know so much about Schlug that I would
 

6117
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:12,950
know so much about Schlug that I would
have advised her absolutely do not talk

6118
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:12,960
have advised her absolutely do not talk
 

6119
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:16,149
have advised her absolutely do not talk
to Slug. But um that video comes out.

6120
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:16,159
to Slug. But um that video comes out.
 

6121
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:18,149
to Slug. But um that video comes out.
It's like two hours. Um I don't exactly

6122
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:18,159
It's like two hours. Um I don't exactly
 

6123
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:19,589
It's like two hours. Um I don't exactly
remember absolutely everything from it,

6124
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:19,599
remember absolutely everything from it,
 

6125
02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:21,589
remember absolutely everything from it,
but I did take notes somewhere. It's

6126
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:21,599
but I did take notes somewhere. It's
 

6127
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,310
but I did take notes somewhere. It's
just not in front of me. Uh, what was

6128
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:24,320
just not in front of me. Uh, what was
 

6129
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:26,069
just not in front of me. Uh, what was
your opinions of that one? Um, I know

6130
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:26,079
your opinions of that one? Um, I know
 

6131
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:28,069
your opinions of that one? Um, I know
that you're probably not super pleased

6132
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:28,079
that you're probably not super pleased
 

6133
02:07:28,079 --> 02:07:29,750
that you're probably not super pleased
with it considering how you've kind of

6134
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:29,760
with it considering how you've kind of
 

6135
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,750
with it considering how you've kind of
referred to Beckett as a I don't even

6136
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:31,760
referred to Beckett as a I don't even
 

6137
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:33,990
referred to Beckett as a I don't even
know. You were very much alluding to not

6138
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:34,000
know. You were very much alluding to not
 

6139
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:34,470
know. You were very much alluding to not
liking.

6140
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:34,480
liking.
 

6141
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:36,629
liking.
>> He's a right-wing loser.

6142
02:07:36,629 --> 02:07:36,639
>> He's a right-wing loser.
 

6143
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,709
>> He's a right-wing loser.
>> Okay, there there it is. I suppose.

6144
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:38,719
>> Okay, there there it is. I suppose.
 

6145
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,149
>> Okay, there there it is. I suppose.
Yeah. What is your opinions of the

6146
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:40,159
Yeah. What is your opinions of the
 

6147
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:41,430
Yeah. What is your opinions of the
video? What's the problems with it that

6148
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:41,440
video? What's the problems with it that
 

6149
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:42,550
video? What's the problems with it that
you have?

6150
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:42,560
you have?
 

6151
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,870
you have?
>> I haven't watched it and I refuse to

6152
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:44,880
>> I haven't watched it and I refuse to
 

6153
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:47,350
>> I haven't watched it and I refuse to
watch it. I I know things that happen in

6154
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:47,360
watch it. I I know things that happen in
 

6155
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,750
watch it. I I know things that happen in
it. I've seen parts of it uh that have

6156
02:07:49,750 --> 02:07:49,760
it. I've seen parts of it uh that have
 

6157
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:53,910
it. I've seen parts of it uh that have
been sent to me. Um and I know that some

6158
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:53,920
been sent to me. Um and I know that some
 

6159
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:55,430
been sent to me. Um and I know that some
of the people that are talked about in

6160
02:07:55,430 --> 02:07:55,440
of the people that are talked about in
 

6161
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:59,270
of the people that are talked about in
it have told me about their sections on

6162
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:59,280
it have told me about their sections on
 

6163
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:03,910
it have told me about their sections on
it and how [\h__\h] it is. Um

6164
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:03,920
it and how [\h__\h] it is. Um
 

6165
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:07,589
it and how [\h__\h] it is. Um
so I don't want to even promote that

6166
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:07,599
so I don't want to even promote that
 

6167
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:09,669
so I don't want to even promote that
video. Um

6168
02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:09,679
video. Um
 

6169
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:11,270
video. Um
>> and I don't care to watch it.

6170
02:08:11,270 --> 02:08:11,280
>> and I don't care to watch it.
 

6171
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:12,550
>> and I don't care to watch it.
>> You don't you don't want to give it a

6172
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:12,560
>> You don't you don't want to give it a
 

6173
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:15,030
>> You don't you don't want to give it a
watch at all to see what was even said.

6174
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:15,040
watch at all to see what was even said.
 

6175
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:17,109
watch at all to see what was even said.
I think this person shouldn't be allowed

6176
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:17,119
I think this person shouldn't be allowed
 

6177
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:20,470
I think this person shouldn't be allowed
online in a legal sense. Um,

6178
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:20,480
online in a legal sense. Um,
 

6179
02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:22,870
online in a legal sense. Um,
>> why is that?

6180
02:08:22,870 --> 02:08:22,880
>> why is that?
 

6181
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,950
>> why is that?
>> Because they're like an Alex Jones type.

6182
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:24,960
>> Because they're like an Alex Jones type.
 

6183
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,109
>> Because they're like an Alex Jones type.
They they they're like a Keemstar. They

6184
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:27,119
They they they're like a Keemstar. They
 

6185
02:08:27,119 --> 02:08:29,189
They they they're like a Keemstar. They
they want

6186
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:29,199
they want
 

6187
02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:31,750
they want
they they don't just want attention.

6188
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:31,760
they they don't just want attention.
 

6189
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:33,430
they they don't just want attention.
They want attention and they're willing

6190
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:33,440
They want attention and they're willing
 

6191
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:37,910
They want attention and they're willing
to put anything out to do it. Um, and so

6192
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:37,920
to put anything out to do it. Um, and so
 

6193
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,910
to put anything out to do it. Um, and so
far, like since releasing their video,

6194
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:41,920
far, like since releasing their video,
 

6195
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:43,750
far, like since releasing their video,
um, they have made posts on their

6196
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:43,760
um, they have made posts on their
 

6197
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,790
um, they have made posts on their
account, uh,

6198
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:46,800
account, uh,
 

6199
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,149
account, uh,
the insulting everyone and harassing

6200
02:08:50,149 --> 02:08:50,159
the insulting everyone and harassing
 

6201
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:52,709
the insulting everyone and harassing
everyone that they talk about, including

6202
02:08:52,709 --> 02:08:52,719
everyone that they talk about, including
 

6203
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:55,189
everyone that they talk about, including
Amy. Like, we're we're not going out of

6204
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:55,199
Amy. Like, we're we're not going out of
 

6205
02:08:55,199 --> 02:08:57,109
Amy. Like, we're we're not going out of
our way to talk to them. They're going

6206
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:57,119
our way to talk to them. They're going
 

6207
02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:00,790
our way to talk to them. They're going
out of their way to poke us as as like a

6208
02:09:00,790 --> 02:09:00,800
out of their way to poke us as as like a
 

6209
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:02,790
out of their way to poke us as as like a
they're trying to get a reaction.

6210
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:02,800
they're trying to get a reaction.
 

6211
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:08,550
they're trying to get a reaction.
>> Mhm. Um, they have since also like found

6212
02:09:08,550 --> 02:09:08,560
>> Mhm. Um, they have since also like found
 

6213
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,350
>> Mhm. Um, they have since also like found
old fanfics that I wrote from when I was

6214
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:11,360
old fanfics that I wrote from when I was
 

6215
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,790
old fanfics that I wrote from when I was
a minor, not problematic in any way,

6216
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:14,800
a minor, not problematic in any way,
 

6217
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:16,870
a minor, not problematic in any way,
just fanfics that I wrote when I was

6218
02:09:16,870 --> 02:09:16,880
just fanfics that I wrote when I was
 

6219
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,109
just fanfics that I wrote when I was
young and they're not the greatest and

6220
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:19,119
young and they're not the greatest and
 

6221
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:21,589
young and they're not the greatest and
just make fun of it and and brag and go

6222
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:21,599
just make fun of it and and brag and go
 

6223
02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:23,589
just make fun of it and and brag and go
like, "Haha, it's so funny that look at

6224
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:23,599
like, "Haha, it's so funny that look at
 

6225
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:25,270
like, "Haha, it's so funny that look at
look what they did."

6226
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:25,280
look what they did."
 

6227
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,430
look what they did."
>> And it it's just really telling like it

6228
02:09:27,430 --> 02:09:27,440
>> And it it's just really telling like it
 

6229
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,629
>> And it it's just really telling like it
none of this is relevant in the

6230
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:30,639
none of this is relevant in the
 

6231
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:33,189
none of this is relevant in the
slightest. It's just to like insult and

6232
02:09:33,189 --> 02:09:33,199
slightest. It's just to like insult and
 

6233
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:34,229
slightest. It's just to like insult and
harass,

6234
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:34,239
harass,
 

6235
02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:34,629
harass,
>> right?

6236
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:34,639
>> right?
 

6237
02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:36,870
>> right?
>> Um, and I I know people were going to be

6238
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:36,880
>> Um, and I I know people were going to be
 

6239
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:39,350
>> Um, and I I know people were going to be
like, "Oh, he's trying to use what

6240
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:39,360
like, "Oh, he's trying to use what
 

6241
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:43,030
like, "Oh, he's trying to use what
happened as an excuse, but like like I I

6242
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:43,040
happened as an excuse, but like like I I
 

6243
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,910
happened as an excuse, but like like I I
I literally tried to kill myself a month

6244
02:09:45,910 --> 02:09:45,920
I literally tried to kill myself a month
 

6245
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,310
I literally tried to kill myself a month
ago, and this is what they're doing. I

6246
02:09:48,310 --> 02:09:48,320
ago, and this is what they're doing. I
 

6247
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:49,750
ago, and this is what they're doing. I
don't even talk to these people, and

6248
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:49,760
don't even talk to these people, and
 

6249
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:52,790
don't even talk to these people, and
they're just going into my past and

6250
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:52,800
they're just going into my past and
 

6251
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,030
they're just going into my past and
trying to laugh at things that aren't

6252
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:55,040
trying to laugh at things that aren't
 

6253
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,870
trying to laugh at things that aren't
even a problem." Mhm.

6254
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:56,880
even a problem." Mhm.
 

6255
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,950
even a problem." Mhm.
>> Like

6256
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:58,960
>> Like
 

6257
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,589
>> Like
um

6258
02:10:01,589 --> 02:10:01,599
um
 

6259
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:03,910
um
they stalk my accounts and post anything

6260
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:03,920
they stalk my accounts and post anything
 

6261
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:06,790
they stalk my accounts and post anything
that they think uh will get a bad

6262
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:06,800
that they think uh will get a bad
 

6263
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:11,270
that they think uh will get a bad
reaction uh or a re good reaction to the

6264
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:11,280
reaction uh or a re good reaction to the
 

6265
02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:15,030
reaction uh or a re good reaction to the
people that want bad for me. Like I I

6266
02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:15,040
people that want bad for me. Like I I
 

6267
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:18,470
people that want bad for me. Like I I
posted uh a Kofi link on my personal

6268
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:18,480
posted uh a Kofi link on my personal
 

6269
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:22,550
posted uh a Kofi link on my personal
blue sky because I was doing financially

6270
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:22,560
blue sky because I was doing financially
 

6271
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,669
blue sky because I was doing financially
worse than I had expected. Um, and I've

6272
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:25,679
worse than I had expected. Um, and I've
 

6273
02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:28,229
worse than I had expected. Um, and I've
been in the red a bit.

6274
02:10:28,229 --> 02:10:28,239
been in the red a bit.
 

6275
02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:31,589
been in the red a bit.
>> Um, it's been it's been I don't I don't

6276
02:10:31,589 --> 02:10:31,599
>> Um, it's been it's been I don't I don't
 

6277
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:33,350
>> Um, it's been it's been I don't I don't
want to get into that cuz I

6278
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:33,360
want to get into that cuz I
 

6279
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,030
want to get into that cuz I
>> It's fine. I It's whatever. It's

6280
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:35,040
>> It's fine. I It's whatever. It's
 

6281
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:36,149
>> It's fine. I It's whatever. It's
personal. I get it. But

6282
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:36,159
personal. I get it. But
 

6283
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:39,350
personal. I get it. But
>> yeah, my my point is just that I was in

6284
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:39,360
>> yeah, my my point is just that I was in
 

6285
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:41,830
>> yeah, my my point is just that I was in
a really tough spot. I don't do that

6286
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:41,840
a really tough spot. I don't do that
 

6287
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,910
a really tough spot. I don't do that
lightly ask for money. Um, and I don't I

6288
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:45,920
lightly ask for money. Um, and I don't I
 

6289
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:47,750
lightly ask for money. Um, and I don't I
wasn't asking anyone specifically and I

6290
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:47,760
wasn't asking anyone specifically and I
 

6291
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,270
wasn't asking anyone specifically and I
also wasn't asking through the Brony

6292
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:49,280
also wasn't asking through the Brony
 

6293
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:52,229
also wasn't asking through the Brony
Fando accounts at all. I I wouldn't do

6294
02:10:52,229 --> 02:10:52,239
Fando accounts at all. I I wouldn't do
 

6295
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:52,790
Fando accounts at all. I I wouldn't do
that.

6296
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:52,800
that.
 

6297
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:55,430
that.
>> Mhm. But they were posting it as if

6298
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:55,440
>> Mhm. But they were posting it as if
 

6299
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:57,830
>> Mhm. But they were posting it as if
like, oh, look look look what they're

6300
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:57,840
like, oh, look look look what they're
 

6301
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,390
like, oh, look look look what they're
doing. Oh, like they're they're trying

6302
02:11:00,390 --> 02:11:00,400
doing. Oh, like they're they're trying
 

6303
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,550
doing. Oh, like they're they're trying
to like get everything they can out of

6304
02:11:02,550 --> 02:11:02,560
to like get everything they can out of
 

6305
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:03,910
to like get everything they can out of
all this,

6306
02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:03,920
all this,
 

6307
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:05,589
all this,
>> but it's removed from all of that. And

6308
02:11:05,589 --> 02:11:05,599
>> but it's removed from all of that. And
 

6309
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:08,229
>> but it's removed from all of that. And
it's because I was in a bad place

6310
02:11:08,229 --> 02:11:08,239
it's because I was in a bad place
 

6311
02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:10,069
it's because I was in a bad place
>> uh financially and they're just making

6312
02:11:10,069 --> 02:11:10,079
>> uh financially and they're just making
 

6313
02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:12,550
>> uh financially and they're just making
fun of that. It is it's cruel and

6314
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:12,560
fun of that. It is it's cruel and
 

6315
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,750
fun of that. It is it's cruel and
unusual. It it's not a problem that I'm

6316
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:15,760
unusual. It it's not a problem that I'm
 

6317
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:16,709
unusual. It it's not a problem that I'm
doing.

6318
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:16,719
doing.
 

6319
02:11:16,719 --> 02:11:21,030
doing.
>> Right. So, can I just ask like cuz you

6320
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:21,040
>> Right. So, can I just ask like cuz you
 

6321
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,270
>> Right. So, can I just ask like cuz you
you call them alt-right. What gives you

6322
02:11:23,270 --> 02:11:23,280
you call them alt-right. What gives you
 

6323
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,350
you call them alt-right. What gives you
that impression that he's alt-right, I

6324
02:11:25,350 --> 02:11:25,360
that impression that he's alt-right, I
 

6325
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:26,790
that impression that he's alt-right, I
suppose?

6326
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:26,800
suppose?
 

6327
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:29,910
suppose?
>> Well, every

6328
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:29,920
>> Well, every
 

6329
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:32,870
>> Well, every
I I've I've dealt with people like this

6330
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:32,880
I I've I've dealt with people like this
 

6331
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,390
I I've I've dealt with people like this
a lot. Um I I kind of pick up on a uh

6332
02:11:36,390 --> 02:11:36,400
a lot. Um I I kind of pick up on a uh
 

6333
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:38,470
a lot. Um I I kind of pick up on a uh
the subtext

6334
02:11:38,470 --> 02:11:38,480
the subtext
 

6335
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:41,750
the subtext
more than the people I I know a lot of

6336
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:41,760
more than the people I I know a lot of
 

6337
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,669
more than the people I I know a lot of
people are going to go, "Oh, so he just

6338
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:43,679
people are going to go, "Oh, so he just
 

6339
02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:45,750
people are going to go, "Oh, so he just
thinks highly of his like perspective,"

6340
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:45,760
thinks highly of his like perspective,"
 

6341
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:50,470
thinks highly of his like perspective,"
but no, not necessarily. Um but he

6342
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:50,480
but no, not necessarily. Um but he
 

6343
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,629
but no, not necessarily. Um but he
follows like only 11 people and one of

6344
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:52,639
follows like only 11 people and one of
 

6345
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:56,870
follows like only 11 people and one of
the and two of them are Keemstar. Um he

6346
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:56,880
the and two of them are Keemstar. Um he
 

6347
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,030
the and two of them are Keemstar. Um he
these people

6348
02:11:59,030 --> 02:11:59,040
these people
 

6349
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:01,510
these people
they they say things that are like

6350
02:12:01,510 --> 02:12:01,520
they they say things that are like
 

6351
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:05,270
they they say things that are like
slogans in their circles. Um and though

6352
02:12:05,270 --> 02:12:05,280
slogans in their circles. Um and though
 

6353
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:07,750
slogans in their circles. Um and though
and a lot of those slogans

6354
02:12:07,750 --> 02:12:07,760
and a lot of those slogans
 

6355
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:11,030
and a lot of those slogans
uh are telling of their environment. Um

6356
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:11,040
uh are telling of their environment. Um
 

6357
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:13,510
uh are telling of their environment. Um
cope and see is one of them and that is

6358
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:13,520
cope and see is one of them and that is
 

6359
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,350
cope and see is one of them and that is
literally their name

6360
02:12:15,350 --> 02:12:15,360
literally their name
 

6361
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:18,629
literally their name
>> right. Uh they they they are a rage

6362
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:18,639
>> right. Uh they they they are a rage
 

6363
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:20,390
>> right. Uh they they they are a rage
baiter

6364
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:20,400
baiter
 

6365
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,950
baiter
and they're outwardly saying so and they

6366
02:12:24,950 --> 02:12:24,960
and they're outwardly saying so and they
 

6367
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:27,669
and they're outwardly saying so and they
are using that slogan that is primarily

6368
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:27,679
are using that slogan that is primarily
 

6369
02:12:27,679 --> 02:12:31,750
are using that slogan that is primarily
used by people who are trying to get

6370
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:31,760
used by people who are trying to get
 

6371
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:34,709
used by people who are trying to get
reactions out of people in like usually

6372
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:34,719
reactions out of people in like usually
 

6373
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:37,030
reactions out of people in like usually
like

6374
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:37,040
like
 

6375
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:41,910
like
a in an anti-LGBT or anti- uh minority

6376
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:41,920
a in an anti-LGBT or anti- uh minority
 

6377
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:47,830
a in an anti-LGBT or anti- uh minority
sense. Um,

6378
02:12:47,830 --> 02:12:47,840

 

6379
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:49,109

>> I mean, you don't think it could have

6380
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:49,119
>> I mean, you don't think it could have
 

6381
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:51,430
>> I mean, you don't think it could have
just been that it's just more edgy and

6382
02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:51,440
just been that it's just more edgy and
 

6383
02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:54,790
just been that it's just more edgy and
not like linked to like alt-right isms?

6384
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:54,800
not like linked to like alt-right isms?
 

6385
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:56,149
not like linked to like alt-right isms?
Cuz like when I think alt-right, I think

6386
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:56,159
Cuz like when I think alt-right, I think
 

6387
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:57,830
Cuz like when I think alt-right, I think
of somebody who uses like a Nazi dog

6388
02:12:57,830 --> 02:12:57,840
of somebody who uses like a Nazi dog
 

6389
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,550
of somebody who uses like a Nazi dog
whistle. And I don't know if Copen is

6390
02:13:00,550 --> 02:13:00,560
whistle. And I don't know if Copen is
 

6391
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:02,950
whistle. And I don't know if Copen is
necessarily a do is like a Nazi dog.

6392
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:02,960
necessarily a do is like a Nazi dog.
 

6393
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,430
necessarily a do is like a Nazi dog.
>> Not that one is not necessarily a Nazi

6394
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:05,440
>> Not that one is not necessarily a Nazi
 

6395
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:07,510
>> Not that one is not necessarily a Nazi
dog whistle, but it is a right-wing dog

6396
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:07,520
dog whistle, but it is a right-wing dog
 

6397
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:08,390
dog whistle, but it is a right-wing dog
whistle.

6398
02:13:08,390 --> 02:13:08,400
whistle.
 

6399
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:10,790
whistle.
>> Okay. Um

6400
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:10,800
>> Okay. Um
 

6401
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:13,669
>> Okay. Um
they they they do dog whistle quite a

6402
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:13,679
they they they do dog whistle quite a
 

6403
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:14,629
they they they do dog whistle quite a
bit. I don't know if they're

6404
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:14,639
bit. I don't know if they're
 

6405
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:17,109
bit. I don't know if they're
specifically a Nazi, but they are

6406
02:13:17,109 --> 02:13:17,119
specifically a Nazi, but they are
 

6407
02:13:17,119 --> 02:13:18,790
specifically a Nazi, but they are
alt-right.

6408
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:18,800
alt-right.
 

6409
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,750
alt-right.
Um

6410
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:21,760
Um
 

6411
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,790
Um
I I I

6412
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:24,800
I I I
 

6413
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:26,870
I I I
it's hard to explain this kind of thing

6414
02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:26,880
it's hard to explain this kind of thing
 

6415
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:29,030
it's hard to explain this kind of thing
because if I were to go down if I were

6416
02:13:29,030 --> 02:13:29,040
because if I were to go down if I were
 

6417
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,109
because if I were to go down if I were
to go through their account right now

6418
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:31,119
to go through their account right now
 

6419
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:34,390
to go through their account right now
and list things, they would just go,

6420
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:34,400
and list things, they would just go,
 

6421
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:36,470
and list things, they would just go,
"Look how crazy they're being. They're

6422
02:13:36,470 --> 02:13:36,480
"Look how crazy they're being. They're
 

6423
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:39,830
"Look how crazy they're being. They're
saying that this term is means this. I

6424
02:13:39,830 --> 02:13:39,840
saying that this term is means this. I
 

6425
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:41,270
saying that this term is means this. I
don't mean it that way. And then a lot

6426
02:13:41,270 --> 02:13:41,280
don't mean it that way. And then a lot
 

6427
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:43,910
don't mean it that way. And then a lot
of people would go, "Yeah, totally. He's

6428
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:43,920
of people would go, "Yeah, totally. He's
 

6429
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:47,030
of people would go, "Yeah, totally. He's
being crazy." But that that's the point.

6430
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:47,040
being crazy." But that that's the point.
 

6431
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,270
being crazy." But that that's the point.
It's a They gasolate.

6432
02:13:49,270 --> 02:13:49,280
It's a They gasolate.
 

6433
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,669
It's a They gasolate.
>> So you you said you haven't watched the

6434
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:51,679
>> So you you said you haven't watched the
 

6435
02:13:51,679 --> 02:13:53,030
>> So you you said you haven't watched the
whole video, but you've seen parts of

6436
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:53,040
whole video, but you've seen parts of
 

6437
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,910
whole video, but you've seen parts of
it. What parts of it have you seen?

6438
02:13:55,910 --> 02:13:55,920
it. What parts of it have you seen?
 

6439
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,390
it. What parts of it have you seen?
>> I I've seen uh sections that people have

6440
02:13:58,390 --> 02:13:58,400
>> I I've seen uh sections that people have
 

6441
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,750
>> I I've seen uh sections that people have
sent to me directly. Um,

6442
02:14:01,750 --> 02:14:01,760
sent to me directly. Um,
 

6443
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:05,109
sent to me directly. Um,
and I've I've been um told other parts

6444
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:05,119
and I've I've been um told other parts
 

6445
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:09,510
and I've I've been um told other parts
of it um through word of mouth. I've

6446
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:09,520
of it um through word of mouth. I've
 

6447
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:12,069
of it um through word of mouth. I've
tried to avoid it both because I feel

6448
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:12,079
tried to avoid it both because I feel
 

6449
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:15,750
tried to avoid it both because I feel
like this person isn't someone worth uh

6450
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:15,760
like this person isn't someone worth uh
 

6451
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:19,669
like this person isn't someone worth uh
giving attention to, but also

6452
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:19,679
giving attention to, but also
 

6453
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:21,910
giving attention to, but also
>> because uh sorry, go on.

6454
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:21,920
>> because uh sorry, go on.
 

6455
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,750
>> because uh sorry, go on.
>> I I completely understand it from your

6456
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:23,760
>> I I completely understand it from your
 

6457
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:25,830
>> I I completely understand it from your
like I I mean the video doesn't talk

6458
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:25,840
like I I mean the video doesn't talk
 

6459
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,229
like I I mean the video doesn't talk
kindly on me either. Like, so I

6460
02:14:28,229 --> 02:14:28,239
kindly on me either. Like, so I
 

6461
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:30,069
kindly on me either. Like, so I
completely understand from an avoidance

6462
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:30,079
completely understand from an avoidance
 

6463
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,149
completely understand from an avoidance
perspective, but at the same time, they

6464
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:32,159
perspective, but at the same time, they
 

6465
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:33,990
perspective, but at the same time, they
have Michelle and Claire both in the

6466
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:34,000
have Michelle and Claire both in the
 

6467
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:36,149
have Michelle and Claire both in the
video. Do you not think that that's

6468
02:14:36,149 --> 02:14:36,159
video. Do you not think that that's
 

6469
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:37,750
video. Do you not think that that's
something maybe you should hear out a

6470
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:37,760
something maybe you should hear out a
 

6471
02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:38,790
something maybe you should hear out a
little bit? I mean, especially since

6472
02:14:38,790 --> 02:14:38,800
little bit? I mean, especially since
 

6473
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:40,390
little bit? I mean, especially since
they're people that you've had

6474
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:40,400
they're people that you've had
 

6475
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,310
they're people that you've had
interaction with online.

6476
02:14:42,310 --> 02:14:42,320
interaction with online.
 

6477
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,189
interaction with online.
>> I mean, like

6478
02:14:45,189 --> 02:14:45,199
>> I mean, like
 

6479
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:47,830
>> I mean, like
they what all they do from what I

6480
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:47,840
they what all they do from what I
 

6481
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:51,589
they what all they do from what I
understand is repeat that they don't

6482
02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:51,599
understand is repeat that they don't
 

6483
02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:54,310
understand is repeat that they don't
feel that they're victims, which is not

6484
02:14:54,310 --> 02:14:54,320
feel that they're victims, which is not
 

6485
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:58,629
feel that they're victims, which is not
new information to me. Mhm.

6486
02:14:58,629 --> 02:14:58,639
new information to me. Mhm.
 

6487
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:02,870
new information to me. Mhm.
>> Like I I have I've I feel that this

6488
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:02,880
>> Like I I have I've I feel that this
 

6489
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:06,390
>> Like I I have I've I feel that this
video would just be

6490
02:15:06,390 --> 02:15:06,400
video would just be
 

6491
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:09,830
video would just be
upsetting to watch for me as and I I'

6492
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:09,840
upsetting to watch for me as and I I'
 

6493
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:13,589
upsetting to watch for me as and I I'
I'd like to avoid that. Um, but also I

6494
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:13,599
I'd like to avoid that. Um, but also I
 

6495
02:15:13,599 --> 02:15:17,109
I'd like to avoid that. Um, but also I
feel like the video is just going to be

6496
02:15:17,109 --> 02:15:17,119
feel like the video is just going to be
 

6497
02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:21,510
feel like the video is just going to be
um, and from what I've seen is um,

6498
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:21,520
um, and from what I've seen is um,
 

6499
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:25,270
um, and from what I've seen is um,
people saying things

6500
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:25,280
people saying things
 

6501
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:28,950
people saying things
uh, and then copy nodding aggressively

6502
02:15:28,950 --> 02:15:28,960
uh, and then copy nodding aggressively
 

6503
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,109
uh, and then copy nodding aggressively
um, with those things.

6504
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:31,119
um, with those things.
 

6505
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:35,109
um, with those things.
>> Not it's not information. It's not uh,

6506
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:35,119
>> Not it's not information. It's not uh,
 

6507
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:38,470
>> Not it's not information. It's not uh,
new context. It's just

6508
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:38,480
new context. It's just
 

6509
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:41,669
new context. It's just
disagreeing and then everyone going,

6510
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:41,679
disagreeing and then everyone going,
 

6511
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:43,750
disagreeing and then everyone going,
"There you have it, folks." I know that

6512
02:15:43,750 --> 02:15:43,760
"There you have it, folks." I know that
 

6513
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,790
"There you have it, folks." I know that
a lot of it is them talking on me and

6514
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:46,800
a lot of it is them talking on me and
 

6515
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:49,589
a lot of it is them talking on me and
Sophie and

6516
02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:49,599
Sophie and
 

6517
02:15:49,599 --> 02:15:52,069
Sophie and
trying to paint us in the worst light.

6518
02:15:52,069 --> 02:15:52,079
trying to paint us in the worst light.
 

6519
02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:53,510
trying to paint us in the worst light.
Oh, and I know some of the things that

6520
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:53,520
Oh, and I know some of the things that
 

6521
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:56,390
Oh, and I know some of the things that
they're saying are just

6522
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:56,400
they're saying are just
 

6523
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:59,990
they're saying are just
complete [\h__\h] So if there is more

6524
02:15:59,990 --> 02:16:00,000
complete [\h__\h] So if there is more
 

6525
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:01,990
complete [\h__\h] So if there is more
in there,

6526
02:16:01,990 --> 02:16:02,000
in there,
 

6527
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:05,510
in there,
you really have to trust it in the midst

6528
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:05,520
you really have to trust it in the midst
 

6529
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:09,510
you really have to trust it in the midst
of people that really are intentionally

6530
02:16:09,510 --> 02:16:09,520
of people that really are intentionally
 

6531
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,229
of people that really are intentionally
lying. So, I I I don't think there's

6532
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:12,239
lying. So, I I I don't think there's
 

6533
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:15,589
lying. So, I I I don't think there's
anything of value there because if there

6534
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:15,599
anything of value there because if there
 

6535
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:18,069
anything of value there because if there
are things that are real,

6536
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:18,079
are things that are real,
 

6537
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:19,990
are things that are real,
you can't just you can't figure out what

6538
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:20,000
you can't just you can't figure out what
 

6539
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:23,430
you can't just you can't figure out what
it is. Because Claire says things like

6540
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:23,440
it is. Because Claire says things like
 

6541
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,109
it is. Because Claire says things like
Sophie

6542
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:25,119
Sophie
 

6543
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:29,270
Sophie
uh made her pet her a pet snail at a con

6544
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:29,280
uh made her pet her a pet snail at a con
 

6545
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:31,350
uh made her pet her a pet snail at a con
because

6546
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:31,360
because
 

6547
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,990
because
um Claire felt that she would be she

6548
02:16:33,990 --> 02:16:34,000
um Claire felt that she would be she
 

6549
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:38,070
um Claire felt that she would be she
would be uh at at threat of being talked

6550
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:38,080
would be uh at at threat of being talked
 

6551
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,950
would be uh at at threat of being talked
about poorly by Sophie if she didn't.

6552
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:40,960
about poorly by Sophie if she didn't.
 

6553
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:41,349
about poorly by Sophie if she didn't.
>> Mhm.

6554
02:16:41,349 --> 02:16:41,359
>> Mhm.
 

6555
02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:43,270
>> Mhm.
>> Which when you when you when you think

6556
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:43,280
>> Which when you when you when you think
 

6557
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:46,309
>> Which when you when you when you think
about that scenario, it's insane. And

6558
02:16:46,309 --> 02:16:46,319
about that scenario, it's insane. And
 

6559
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:48,790
about that scenario, it's insane. And
I've heard what actually happened in

6560
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:48,800
I've heard what actually happened in
 

6561
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:52,150
I've heard what actually happened in
that scenario and it is insane and

6562
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:52,160
that scenario and it is insane and
 

6563
02:16:52,160 --> 02:16:54,870
that scenario and it is insane and
Claire knows it's not true.

6564
02:16:54,870 --> 02:16:54,880
Claire knows it's not true.
 

6565
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:56,950
Claire knows it's not true.
That's the thing.

6566
02:16:56,950 --> 02:16:56,960
That's the thing.
 

6567
02:16:56,960 --> 02:17:00,469
That's the thing.
She's lying on intentionally. So I don't

6568
02:17:00,469 --> 02:17:00,479
She's lying on intentionally. So I don't
 

6569
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:02,709
She's lying on intentionally. So I don't
feel like I need to hear what else she

6570
02:17:02,709 --> 02:17:02,719
feel like I need to hear what else she
 

6571
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:06,070
feel like I need to hear what else she
has to say cuz I the things that Griffin

6572
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:06,080
has to say cuz I the things that Griffin
 

6573
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:09,750
has to say cuz I the things that Griffin
did regardless of how she feels about it

6574
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:09,760
did regardless of how she feels about it
 

6575
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:12,309
did regardless of how she feels about it
shouldn't have happened. Mhm.

6576
02:17:12,309 --> 02:17:12,319
shouldn't have happened. Mhm.
 

6577
02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:15,030
shouldn't have happened. Mhm.
>> It's not If it was not happening to

6578
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:15,040
>> It's not If it was not happening to
 

6579
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:16,549
>> It's not If it was not happening to
Claire,

6580
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:16,559
Claire,
 

6581
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:18,950
Claire,
it wouldn't change my opinion of it.

6582
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:18,960
it wouldn't change my opinion of it.
 

6583
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:20,309
it wouldn't change my opinion of it.
There are things that shouldn't have

6584
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:20,319
There are things that shouldn't have
 

6585
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:22,549
There are things that shouldn't have
happened and not just to Claire. And

6586
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:22,559
happened and not just to Claire. And
 

6587
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:24,309
happened and not just to Claire. And
Claire defends all of it.

6588
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:24,319
Claire defends all of it.
 

6589
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:25,669
Claire defends all of it.
>> Mhm.

6590
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:25,679
>> Mhm.
 

6591
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:28,309
>> Mhm.
>> Um and and a and a lot of the time she

6592
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:28,319
>> Um and and a and a lot of the time she
 

6593
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:30,230
>> Um and and a and a lot of the time she
lies about it. So I don't feel like

6594
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:30,240
lies about it. So I don't feel like
 

6595
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:33,270
lies about it. So I don't feel like
she's a reliable narrator for any of it.

6596
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:33,280
she's a reliable narrator for any of it.
 

6597
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:36,230
she's a reliable narrator for any of it.
So her opinion doesn't really

6598
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:36,240
So her opinion doesn't really
 

6599
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:38,870
So her opinion doesn't really
change anything for me. I I I to an

6600
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:38,880
change anything for me. I I I to an
 

6601
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:41,270
change anything for me. I I I to an
extent I feel empathy and I'm sorry that

6602
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:41,280
extent I feel empathy and I'm sorry that
 

6603
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,270
extent I feel empathy and I'm sorry that
she had to go through the things that

6604
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:43,280
she had to go through the things that
 

6605
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:45,030
she had to go through the things that
she went through. But if she's going to

6606
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:45,040
she went through. But if she's going to
 

6607
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:47,349
she went through. But if she's going to
use

6608
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:47,359
use
 

6609
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:51,910
use
how she perceives things to also like

6610
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:51,920
how she perceives things to also like
 

6611
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,150
how she perceives things to also like
diminish what happened to Destiny, what

6612
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:54,160
diminish what happened to Destiny, what
 

6613
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:57,589
diminish what happened to Destiny, what
happened to the victim on Snapchat, the

6614
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:57,599
happened to the victim on Snapchat, the
 

6615
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:01,429
happened to the victim on Snapchat, the
happened to the um all the others, uh

6616
02:18:01,429 --> 02:18:01,439
happened to the um all the others, uh
 

6617
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:02,950
happened to the um all the others, uh
Dorothy,

6618
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:02,960
Dorothy,
 

6619
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:04,950
Dorothy,
Gil,

6620
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:04,960
Gil,
 

6621
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:10,150
Gil,
um all the racism, like

6622
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:10,160
um all the racism, like
 

6623
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:13,349
um all the racism, like
it it just it's just too much to really

6624
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:13,359
it it just it's just too much to really
 

6625
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:15,190
it it just it's just too much to really
I'm not great at talking. I'm sorry.

6626
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:15,200
I'm not great at talking. I'm sorry.
 

6627
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:17,830
I'm not great at talking. I'm sorry.
>> No, it's fine. It's fine. Um I I am kind

6628
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:17,840
>> No, it's fine. It's fine. Um I I am kind
 

6629
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:19,349
>> No, it's fine. It's fine. Um I I am kind
of confused because you you said that

6630
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:19,359
of confused because you you said that
 

6631
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:21,349
of confused because you you said that
the that Copen shouldn't be on YouTube

6632
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:21,359
the that Copen shouldn't be on YouTube
 

6633
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:23,190
the that Copen shouldn't be on YouTube
in a legal sense.

6634
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:23,200
in a legal sense.
 

6635
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:24,629
in a legal sense.
>> Could you elaborate what you meant by

6636
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:24,639
>> Could you elaborate what you meant by
 

6637
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:27,669
>> Could you elaborate what you meant by
that? Like what do you mean by legal?

6638
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:27,679
that? Like what do you mean by legal?
 

6639
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:32,070
that? Like what do you mean by legal?
Well, I I don't think what they So, I

6640
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:32,080
Well, I I don't think what they So, I
 

6641
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,589
Well, I I don't think what they So, I
mean two things by that

6642
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:33,599
mean two things by that
 

6643
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:35,910
mean two things by that
>> because one, part of that video is

6644
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:35,920
>> because one, part of that video is
 

6645
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:36,950
>> because one, part of that video is
illegal,

6646
02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:36,960
illegal,
 

6647
02:18:36,960 --> 02:18:39,910
illegal,
>> but two, I feel that

6648
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:39,920
>> but two, I feel that
 

6649
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:44,950
>> but two, I feel that
>> um Claire posts her therapy appointment

6650
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:44,960
>> um Claire posts her therapy appointment
 

6651
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:46,629
>> um Claire posts her therapy appointment
audio

6652
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:46,639
audio
 

6653
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:49,429
audio
uh in that video. Um and that's illegal

6654
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:49,439
uh in that video. Um and that's illegal
 

6655
02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:51,509
uh in that video. Um and that's illegal
in two ways.

6656
02:18:51,509 --> 02:18:51,519
in two ways.
 

6657
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:53,910
in two ways.
One, she can't do that without the

6658
02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:53,920
One, she can't do that without the
 

6659
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:56,389
One, she can't do that without the
consent of everyone in that room. And

6660
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:56,399
consent of everyone in that room. And
 

6661
02:18:56,399 --> 02:19:02,309
consent of everyone in that room. And
even if her even if she like while while

6662
02:19:02,309 --> 02:19:02,319
even if her even if she like while while
 

6663
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:06,469
even if her even if she like while while
a lot of states are um one party consent

6664
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:06,479
a lot of states are um one party consent
 

6665
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:07,190
a lot of states are um one party consent
based

6666
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:07,200
based
 

6667
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:07,830
based
>> Mhm.

6668
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:07,840
>> Mhm.
 

6669
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:10,150
>> Mhm.
>> Therapy sessions are not the same thing

6670
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:10,160
>> Therapy sessions are not the same thing
 

6671
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:13,030
>> Therapy sessions are not the same thing
as in a public setting

6672
02:19:13,030 --> 02:19:13,040
as in a public setting
 

6673
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:15,750
as in a public setting
um or or like they are they are under

6674
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:15,760
um or or like they are they are under
 

6675
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:18,709
um or or like they are they are under
different restrictions. They are much

6676
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:18,719
different restrictions. They are much
 

6677
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:19,830
different restrictions. They are much
more private.

6678
02:19:19,830 --> 02:19:19,840
more private.
 

6679
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:21,669
more private.
>> Mhm. It's it's kind it's kind of more

6680
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:21,679
>> Mhm. It's it's kind it's kind of more
 

6681
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:25,509
>> Mhm. It's it's kind it's kind of more
akin to recording a court se session or

6682
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:25,519
akin to recording a court se session or
 

6683
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:27,669
akin to recording a court se session or
something else in a legal sense than it

6684
02:19:27,669 --> 02:19:27,679
something else in a legal sense than it
 

6685
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:33,429
something else in a legal sense than it
is to recording a Discord call. Um

6686
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:33,439
is to recording a Discord call. Um
 

6687
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:37,509
is to recording a Discord call. Um
so she uh verb she's just not allowed to

6688
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:37,519
so she uh verb she's just not allowed to
 

6689
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:39,910
so she uh verb she's just not allowed to
do that regardless of what the contents

6690
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:39,920
do that regardless of what the contents
 

6691
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:43,830
do that regardless of what the contents
are. Um, but aside from that, she also

6692
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:43,840
are. Um, but aside from that, she also
 

6693
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:47,509
are. Um, but aside from that, she also
spliced it in in ways to make it sound

6694
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:47,519
spliced it in in ways to make it sound
 

6695
02:19:47,519 --> 02:19:49,670
spliced it in in ways to make it sound
like conversations that didn't happen

6696
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:49,680
like conversations that didn't happen
 

6697
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:50,630
like conversations that didn't happen
happened.

6698
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:50,640
happened.
 

6699
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:51,270
happened.
>> Mhm.

6700
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:51,280
>> Mhm.
 

6701
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:52,870
>> Mhm.
>> Um,

6702
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:52,880
>> Um,
 

6703
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:55,910
>> Um,
and manipulating that uh audio is also

6704
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:55,920
and manipulating that uh audio is also
 

6705
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:59,510
and manipulating that uh audio is also
illegal. Like not even in like a well

6706
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:59,520
illegal. Like not even in like a well
 

6707
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,349
illegal. Like not even in like a well
this might be illegal, this might be a

6708
02:20:01,349 --> 02:20:01,359
this might be illegal, this might be a
 

6709
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:03,270
this might be illegal, this might be a
gray area. No, the the both of these

6710
02:20:03,270 --> 02:20:03,280
gray area. No, the the both of these
 

6711
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,870
gray area. No, the the both of these
things are illegal and can and probably

6712
02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:06,880
things are illegal and can and probably
 

6713
02:20:06,880 --> 02:20:09,429
things are illegal and can and probably
will get this video removed.

6714
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:09,439
will get this video removed.
 

6715
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:12,230
will get this video removed.
uh in at some point.

6716
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:12,240
uh in at some point.
 

6717
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:14,790
uh in at some point.
>> How do you know that?

6718
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:14,800
>> How do you know that?
 

6719
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:17,670
>> How do you know that?
>> I I said pro probably because they

6720
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:17,680
>> I I said pro probably because they
 

6721
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:18,870
>> I I said pro probably because they
physically

6722
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:18,880
physically
 

6723
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:21,750
physically
>> they are illegal and if action is taken

6724
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:21,760
>> they are illegal and if action is taken
 

6725
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,309
>> they are illegal and if action is taken
to it, the video will be removed. I

6726
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:24,319
to it, the video will be removed. I
 

6727
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:28,469
to it, the video will be removed. I
don't know. Um, but but like that

6728
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:28,479
don't know. Um, but but like that
 

6729
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:31,190
don't know. Um, but but like that
depends on if action is taken on it by

6730
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:31,200
depends on if action is taken on it by
 

6731
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,830
depends on if action is taken on it by
people and also if YouTube takes it

6732
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:33,840
people and also if YouTube takes it
 

6733
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:36,469
people and also if YouTube takes it
seriously enough cuz YouTube

6734
02:20:36,469 --> 02:20:36,479
seriously enough cuz YouTube
 

6735
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:39,510
seriously enough cuz YouTube
their track record for things isn't

6736
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:39,520
their track record for things isn't
 

6737
02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:40,230
their track record for things isn't
great.

6738
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:40,240
great.
 

6739
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:40,630
great.
>> Mhm.

6740
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:40,640
>> Mhm.
 

6741
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:42,469
>> Mhm.
>> Um,

6742
02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:42,479
>> Um,
 

6743
02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:46,230
>> Um,
but aside from all that, I feel like a

6744
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:46,240
but aside from all that, I feel like a
 

6745
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:48,550
but aside from all that, I feel like a
lot of the video is very blatant

6746
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:48,560
lot of the video is very blatant
 

6747
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:51,830
lot of the video is very blatant
slander. like not they're not trying to

6748
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:51,840
slander. like not they're not trying to
 

6749
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:53,830
slander. like not they're not trying to
present people

6750
02:20:53,830 --> 02:20:53,840
present people
 

6751
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:57,030
present people
with information. They're trying to stir

6752
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:57,040
with information. They're trying to stir
 

6753
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,830
with information. They're trying to stir
up a fight. Um

6754
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:59,840
up a fight. Um
 

6755
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,230
up a fight. Um
they I I don't believe that even they

6756
02:21:02,230 --> 02:21:02,240
they I I don't believe that even they
 

6757
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:07,030
they I I don't believe that even they
believe everything they're saying. Um

6758
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:07,040

 

6759
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:09,429

so but but that part is not actually

6760
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:09,439
so but but that part is not actually
 

6761
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:10,950
so but but that part is not actually
illegal.

6762
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:10,960
illegal.
 

6763
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:13,270
illegal.
I just believe they shouldn't be allowed

6764
02:21:13,270 --> 02:21:13,280
I just believe they shouldn't be allowed
 

6765
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:15,990
I just believe they shouldn't be allowed
on YouTube to do things like that,

6766
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:16,000
on YouTube to do things like that,
 

6767
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:19,670
on YouTube to do things like that,
>> right? where their intent is to

6768
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:19,680
>> right? where their intent is to
 

6769
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:23,910
>> right? where their intent is to
uh just sling mud for the sake of

6770
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:23,920
uh just sling mud for the sake of
 

6771
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:26,230
uh just sling mud for the sake of
attention.

6772
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:26,240
attention.
 

6773
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:30,710
attention.
>> Um

6774
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:30,720

 

6775
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,070

so that's what I guess the legality

6776
02:21:34,070 --> 02:21:34,080
so that's what I guess the legality
 

6777
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,469
so that's what I guess the legality
sense of it is what I was curious about.

6778
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:36,479
sense of it is what I was curious about.
 

6779
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:37,910
sense of it is what I was curious about.
Um because you said they shouldn't be

6780
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:37,920
Um because you said they shouldn't be
 

6781
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:39,429
Um because you said they shouldn't be
here on a legal sense and you're talking

6782
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:39,439
here on a legal sense and you're talking
 

6783
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:42,710
here on a legal sense and you're talking
about uh how it's not legal to record a

6784
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:42,720
about uh how it's not legal to record a
 

6785
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:45,110
about uh how it's not legal to record a
therapy session. And I mean that's I I

6786
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:45,120
therapy session. And I mean that's I I
 

6787
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:46,389
therapy session. And I mean that's I I
don't know really the laws on that.

6788
02:21:46,389 --> 02:21:46,399
don't know really the laws on that.
 

6789
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:49,429
don't know really the laws on that.
Again, I'm not a lawyer. But in terms of

6790
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:49,439
Again, I'm not a lawyer. But in terms of
 

6791
02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:52,389
Again, I'm not a lawyer. But in terms of
like consent, right? I mean therapy

6792
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:52,399
like consent, right? I mean therapy
 

6793
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:54,630
like consent, right? I mean therapy
sessions get recorded all the time by

6794
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:54,640
sessions get recorded all the time by
 

6795
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,349
sessions get recorded all the time by
both therapists and their patients. If

6796
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:57,359
both therapists and their patients. If
 

6797
02:21:57,359 --> 02:21:59,910
both therapists and their patients. If
she's releasing this cover like this

6798
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:59,920
she's releasing this cover like this
 

6799
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,630
she's releasing this cover like this
audio file, right? She as the patient

6800
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:02,640
audio file, right? She as the patient
 

6801
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:05,110
audio file, right? She as the patient
has the right to do that. She is like

6802
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:05,120
has the right to do that. She is like
 

6803
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:06,389
has the right to do that. She is like
patient rights

6804
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:06,399
patient rights
 

6805
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:08,309
patient rights
>> legally. No.

6806
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:08,319
>> legally. No.
 

6807
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:10,710
>> legally. No.
>> Based on what I mean she's the

6808
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:10,720
>> Based on what I mean she's the
 

6809
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,190
>> Based on what I mean she's the
>> therapist could lose their job. Okay.

6810
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:13,200
>> therapist could lose their job. Okay.
 

6811
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:14,070
>> therapist could lose their job. Okay.
How do you know that

6812
02:22:14,070 --> 02:22:14,080
How do you know that
 

6813
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:14,790
How do you know that
>> doing that?

6814
02:22:14,790 --> 02:22:14,800
>> doing that?
 

6815
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:16,230
>> doing that?
>> How do you know that the p that the

6816
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:16,240
>> How do you know that the p that the
 

6817
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:19,030
>> How do you know that the p that the
therapist didn't give her permission?

6818
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:19,040
therapist didn't give her permission?
 

6819
02:22:19,040 --> 02:22:21,910
therapist didn't give her permission?
>> Well, there's two things to that. One, I

6820
02:22:21,910 --> 02:22:21,920
>> Well, there's two things to that. One, I
 

6821
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:25,110
>> Well, there's two things to that. One, I
don't know that, but I So, it's

6822
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:25,120
don't know that, but I So, it's
 

6823
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,910
don't know that, but I So, it's
possible, but I would believe probably

6824
02:22:27,910 --> 02:22:27,920
possible, but I would believe probably
 

6825
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:29,590
possible, but I would believe probably
that's not the case because of the

6826
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:29,600
that's not the case because of the
 

6827
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:32,230
that's not the case because of the
second thing, which is they're not the

6828
02:22:32,230 --> 02:22:32,240
second thing, which is they're not the
 

6829
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:34,630
second thing, which is they're not the
only two people in the room, and all all

6830
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:34,640
only two people in the room, and all all
 

6831
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:36,230
only two people in the room, and all all
of the people involved in that would

6832
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:36,240
of the people involved in that would
 

6833
02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:38,790
of the people involved in that would
have to be consenting for that,

6834
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:38,800
have to be consenting for that,
 

6835
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:40,550
have to be consenting for that,
>> right? Um

6836
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:40,560
>> right? Um
 

6837
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,550
>> right? Um
>> it was uh so the three people in that

6838
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:42,560
>> it was uh so the three people in that
 

6839
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:44,150
>> it was uh so the three people in that
room cuz I've seen the video were

6840
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:44,160
room cuz I've seen the video were
 

6841
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:46,870
room cuz I've seen the video were
herself, her father, and the therapist.

6842
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:46,880
herself, her father, and the therapist.
 

6843
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:48,070
herself, her father, and the therapist.
Correct.

6844
02:22:48,070 --> 02:22:48,080
Correct.
 

6845
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:49,190
Correct.
>> Yes.

6846
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:49,200
>> Yes.
 

6847
02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:51,429
>> Yes.
>> So we don't know if the therapist has or

6848
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:51,439
>> So we don't know if the therapist has or
 

6849
02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:53,670
>> So we don't know if the therapist has or
has not given her information about

6850
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:53,680
has not given her information about
 

6851
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:56,150
has not given her information about
whether or not they consented, right?

6852
02:22:56,150 --> 02:22:56,160
whether or not they consented, right?
 

6853
02:22:56,160 --> 02:22:57,990
whether or not they consented, right?
And I'm assuming you don't know the

6854
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:58,000
And I'm assuming you don't know the
 

6855
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,429
And I'm assuming you don't know the
therapist personally. It's not like

6856
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:59,439
therapist personally. It's not like
 

6857
02:22:59,439 --> 02:23:01,349
therapist personally. It's not like
you've asked.

6858
02:23:01,349 --> 02:23:01,359
you've asked.
 

6859
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:02,389
you've asked.
>> No, I don't.

6860
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:02,399
>> No, I don't.
 

6861
02:23:02,399 --> 02:23:04,070
>> No, I don't.
>> So you don't know her therapist. We

6862
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:04,080
>> So you don't know her therapist. We
 

6863
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:05,910
>> So you don't know her therapist. We
can't immediately assume whether or not

6864
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:05,920
can't immediately assume whether or not
 

6865
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:07,670
can't immediately assume whether or not
the therapist, you know,

6866
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:07,680
the therapist, you know,
 

6867
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:09,270
the therapist, you know,
>> I'm not assuming. I'm I'm not I'm not

6868
02:23:09,270 --> 02:23:09,280
>> I'm not assuming. I'm I'm not I'm not
 

6869
02:23:09,280 --> 02:23:11,990
>> I'm not assuming. I'm I'm not I'm not
assuming that I'm not saying that I know

6870
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:12,000
assuming that I'm not saying that I know
 

6871
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:14,550
assuming that I'm not saying that I know
for a fact or not whether the therapist

6872
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:14,560
for a fact or not whether the therapist
 

6873
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:16,070
for a fact or not whether the therapist
gave consent

6874
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:16,080
gave consent
 

6875
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:19,510
gave consent
>> for that. All I know is that

6876
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:19,520
>> for that. All I know is that
 

6877
02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:22,630
>> for that. All I know is that
the all three people in that party most

6878
02:23:22,630 --> 02:23:22,640
the all three people in that party most
 

6879
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:25,510
the all three people in that party most
definitely did not give consent. And if

6880
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:25,520
definitely did not give consent. And if
 

6881
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:28,469
definitely did not give consent. And if
that is the case and the therapist uh

6882
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:28,479
that is the case and the therapist uh
 

6883
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:31,030
that is the case and the therapist uh
allowed this anyways, then that would

6884
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:31,040
allowed this anyways, then that would
 

6885
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:33,190
allowed this anyways, then that would
mean the therapist broke the law as

6886
02:23:33,190 --> 02:23:33,200
mean the therapist broke the law as
 

6887
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:35,190
mean the therapist broke the law as
well, which I don't think they would

6888
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:35,200
well, which I don't think they would
 

6889
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:38,309
well, which I don't think they would
have done. So, I do believe based on

6890
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:38,319
have done. So, I do believe based on
 

6891
02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:41,510
have done. So, I do believe based on
that that this was Claire's doing alone.

6892
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:41,520
that that this was Claire's doing alone.
 

6893
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:42,630
that that this was Claire's doing alone.
>> Okay. But that's what I'm trying to

6894
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:42,640
>> Okay. But that's what I'm trying to
 

6895
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,389
>> Okay. But that's what I'm trying to
whittle down, right? We can't assume it

6896
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:44,399
whittle down, right? We can't assume it
 

6897
02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:45,910
whittle down, right? We can't assume it
was the therapist that knew about this

6898
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:45,920
was the therapist that knew about this
 

6899
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,990
was the therapist that knew about this
because we don't know the therapist.

6900
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:48,000
because we don't know the therapist.
 

6901
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:49,190
because we don't know the therapist.
>> We We can assume

6902
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:49,200
>> We We can assume
 

6903
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:50,790
>> We We can assume
>> if they didn't know about this, Claire

6904
02:23:50,790 --> 02:23:50,800
>> if they didn't know about this, Claire
 

6905
02:23:50,800 --> 02:23:53,110
>> if they didn't know about this, Claire
is still breaking the law

6906
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:53,120
is still breaking the law
 

6907
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:55,030
is still breaking the law
>> and the therapist can lose their job for

6908
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:55,040
>> and the therapist can lose their job for
 

6909
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:56,710
>> and the therapist can lose their job for
what Clare is doing.

6910
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:56,720
what Clare is doing.
 

6911
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:58,870
what Clare is doing.
>> Okay. But she also can't release that

6912
02:23:58,870 --> 02:23:58,880
>> Okay. But she also can't release that
 

6913
02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:00,710
>> Okay. But she also can't release that
audio without the permission of that

6914
02:24:00,710 --> 02:24:00,720
audio without the permission of that
 

6915
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:02,550
audio without the permission of that
therapist. And if she released it, then

6916
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:02,560
therapist. And if she released it, then
 

6917
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:04,870
therapist. And if she released it, then
she would have have to ask, sorry, she

6918
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:04,880
she would have have to ask, sorry, she
 

6919
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:06,469
she would have have to ask, sorry, she
would have had to ask the therapist

6920
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:06,479
would have had to ask the therapist
 

6921
02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:08,870
would have had to ask the therapist
anyway. So the only person that leaves

6922
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:08,880
anyway. So the only person that leaves
 

6923
02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:12,150
anyway. So the only person that leaves
to have not be 100% giving their consent

6924
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:12,160
to have not be 100% giving their consent
 

6925
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,389
to have not be 100% giving their consent
would have been Ian. So my question

6926
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:14,399
would have been Ian. So my question
 

6927
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,070
would have been Ian. So my question
>> No, I'm saying that Claire recorded it

6928
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:16,080
>> No, I'm saying that Claire recorded it
 

6929
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:17,429
>> No, I'm saying that Claire recorded it
on her own. I'm not saying that the

6930
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:17,439
on her own. I'm not saying that the
 

6931
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:19,270
on her own. I'm not saying that the
therapist had this recording and gave it

6932
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:19,280
therapist had this recording and gave it
 

6933
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:21,270
therapist had this recording and gave it
to Claire. I'm saying that they didn't

6934
02:24:21,270 --> 02:24:21,280
to Claire. I'm saying that they didn't
 

6935
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:24,790
to Claire. I'm saying that they didn't
know about it.

6936
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:24,800

 

6937
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:27,270

>> Okay. But if she's releasing it to the

6938
02:24:27,270 --> 02:24:27,280
>> Okay. But if she's releasing it to the
 

6939
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,590
>> Okay. But if she's releasing it to the
public, she has to ask the therapist

6940
02:24:29,590 --> 02:24:29,600
public, she has to ask the therapist
 

6941
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:31,270
public, she has to ask the therapist
first if she can release it to the

6942
02:24:31,270 --> 02:24:31,280
first if she can release it to the
 

6943
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:32,070
first if she can release it to the
public.

6944
02:24:32,070 --> 02:24:32,080
public.
 

6945
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,230
public.
>> Otherwise, it would be get released to

6946
02:24:34,230 --> 02:24:34,240
>> Otherwise, it would be get released to
 

6947
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:35,590
>> Otherwise, it would be get released to
>> legally. She would have to have the

6948
02:24:35,590 --> 02:24:35,600
>> legally. She would have to have the
 

6949
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:37,270
>> legally. She would have to have the
consent of everyone to have even

6950
02:24:37,270 --> 02:24:37,280
consent of everyone to have even
 

6951
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:39,830
consent of everyone to have even
recorded it in the first place,

6952
02:24:39,830 --> 02:24:39,840
recorded it in the first place,
 

6953
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:41,349
recorded it in the first place,
>> right? But we can't just because we

6954
02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:41,359
>> right? But we can't just because we
 

6955
02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:42,469
>> right? But we can't just because we
don't know the therapist, we can't

6956
02:24:42,469 --> 02:24:42,479
don't know the therapist, we can't
 

6957
02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:43,750
don't know the therapist, we can't
assume whether or not they had that

6958
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:43,760
assume whether or not they had that
 

6959
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:45,990
assume whether or not they had that
conversation. So that all that leaves is

6960
02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:46,000
conversation. So that all that leaves is
 

6961
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:49,590
conversation. So that all that leaves is
Ian. Do you know if Ian did or did not

6962
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:49,600
Ian. Do you know if Ian did or did not
 

6963
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:52,150
Ian. Do you know if Ian did or did not
give consent?

6964
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:52,160
give consent?
 

6965
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:53,910
give consent?
I don't think there's a reason for him

6966
02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:53,920
I don't think there's a reason for him
 

6967
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:57,510
I don't think there's a reason for him
to have given consent for that. Um

6968
02:24:57,510 --> 02:24:57,520
to have given consent for that. Um
 

6969
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:58,230
to have given consent for that. Um
>> I mean, why not?

6970
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:58,240
>> I mean, why not?
 

6971
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:02,950
>> I mean, why not?
>> I

6972
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:02,960

 

6973
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:04,710

>> I mean, if they're doing a group therapy

6974
02:25:04,710 --> 02:25:04,720
>> I mean, if they're doing a group therapy
 

6975
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,190
>> I mean, if they're doing a group therapy
session together and they and therapy

6976
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:07,200
session together and they and therapy
 

6977
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:08,630
session together and they and therapy
sessions get recorded all the time for

6978
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:08,640
sessions get recorded all the time for
 

6979
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:11,190
sessions get recorded all the time for
the sake of the patients,

6980
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:11,200
the sake of the patients,
 

6981
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:12,469
the sake of the patients,
you know, he could have

6982
02:25:12,469 --> 02:25:12,479
you know, he could have
 

6983
02:25:12,479 --> 02:25:16,070
you know, he could have
>> That's not necessarily hold on. Um,

6984
02:25:16,070 --> 02:25:16,080
>> That's not necessarily hold on. Um,
 

6985
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:19,030
>> That's not necessarily hold on. Um,
not that's not as common as as it

6986
02:25:19,030 --> 02:25:19,040
not that's not as common as as it
 

6987
02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:20,710
not that's not as common as as it
>> I mean I'm speaking on this on behalf of

6988
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:20,720
>> I mean I'm speaking on this on behalf of
 

6989
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:22,230
>> I mean I'm speaking on this on behalf of
someone who's had her therapy sessions

6990
02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:22,240
someone who's had her therapy sessions
 

6991
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:24,630
someone who's had her therapy sessions
recorded cuz I asked like I I've been to

6992
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:24,640
recorded cuz I asked like I I've been to
 

6993
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:26,870
recorded cuz I asked like I I've been to
therapy like I know that this happens a

6994
02:25:26,870 --> 02:25:26,880
therapy like I know that this happens a
 

6995
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:28,550
therapy like I know that this happens a
lot more than

6996
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:28,560
lot more than
 

6997
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:30,550
lot more than
>> I'm not saying that it doesn't happen

6998
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:30,560
>> I'm not saying that it doesn't happen
 

6999
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:32,550
>> I'm not saying that it doesn't happen
and I'm not saying it's not a common

7000
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:32,560
and I'm not saying it's not a common
 

7001
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:34,309
and I'm not saying it's not a common
practice.

7002
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:34,319
practice.
 

7003
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:37,030
practice.
What I'm saying is that I don't believe

7004
02:25:37,030 --> 02:25:37,040
What I'm saying is that I don't believe
 

7005
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:39,590
What I'm saying is that I don't believe
what was done was legal.

7006
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:39,600
what was done was legal.
 

7007
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,630
what was done was legal.
>> I suppose I cannot prove that it was

7008
02:25:42,630 --> 02:25:42,640
>> I suppose I cannot prove that it was
 

7009
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:45,590
>> I suppose I cannot prove that it was
done illegally. I will concede to that.

7010
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:45,600
done illegally. I will concede to that.
 

7011
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,270
done illegally. I will concede to that.
>> Okay. Are I Well, that's what I'm trying

7012
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:47,280
>> Okay. Are I Well, that's what I'm trying
 

7013
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:48,790
>> Okay. Are I Well, that's what I'm trying
to figure out. Are you assuming that's

7014
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:48,800
to figure out. Are you assuming that's
 

7015
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:51,190
to figure out. Are you assuming that's
it's illegal in the sense of what the of

7016
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:51,200
it's illegal in the sense of what the of
 

7017
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:53,110
it's illegal in the sense of what the of
how it was perceived by the therapist?

7018
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:53,120
how it was perceived by the therapist?
 

7019
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:54,790
how it was perceived by the therapist?
Cuz if she's releasing out to the

7020
02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:54,800
Cuz if she's releasing out to the
 

7021
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:57,670
Cuz if she's releasing out to the
public, obviously she consents, but like

7022
02:25:57,670 --> 02:25:57,680
public, obviously she consents, but like
 

7023
02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:00,550
public, obviously she consents, but like
is it basis on the fact of how Ian feels

7024
02:26:00,550 --> 02:26:00,560
is it basis on the fact of how Ian feels
 

7025
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:02,469
is it basis on the fact of how Ian feels
about the video, like the audio

7026
02:26:02,469 --> 02:26:02,479
about the video, like the audio
 

7027
02:26:02,479 --> 02:26:04,070
about the video, like the audio
recording, or how

7028
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:04,080
recording, or how
 

7029
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:07,110
recording, or how
>> I don't believe the audio was recorded

7030
02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:07,120
>> I don't believe the audio was recorded
 

7031
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:09,830
>> I don't believe the audio was recorded
with knowledge by either of the other

7032
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:09,840
with knowledge by either of the other
 

7033
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,670
with knowledge by either of the other
two parties.

7034
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:11,680
two parties.
 

7035
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:14,469
two parties.
I don't believe Claire got their

7036
02:26:14,469 --> 02:26:14,479
I don't believe Claire got their
 

7037
02:26:14,479 --> 02:26:16,950
I don't believe Claire got their
consent. I don't believe they were aware

7038
02:26:16,950 --> 02:26:16,960
consent. I don't believe they were aware
 

7039
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:20,550
consent. I don't believe they were aware
of what she was doing, which is illegal

7040
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:20,560
of what she was doing, which is illegal
 

7041
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:21,990
of what she was doing, which is illegal
if that's what happened.

7042
02:26:21,990 --> 02:26:22,000
if that's what happened.
 

7043
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:23,349
if that's what happened.
>> Okay. I'm just trying to figure out how

7044
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:23,359
>> Okay. I'm just trying to figure out how
 

7045
02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:24,630
>> Okay. I'm just trying to figure out how
you would come to that conclusion,

7046
02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:24,640
you would come to that conclusion,
 

7047
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:27,110
you would come to that conclusion,
though. Like, unless if you've

7048
02:26:27,110 --> 02:26:27,120
though. Like, unless if you've
 

7049
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:28,790
though. Like, unless if you've
personally spoken to these people, you

7050
02:26:28,790 --> 02:26:28,800
personally spoken to these people, you
 

7051
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,630
personally spoken to these people, you
know, cuz I don't want you to be like

7052
02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:30,640
know, cuz I don't want you to be like
 

7053
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,309
know, cuz I don't want you to be like
talking on behalf of others that you

7054
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:32,319
talking on behalf of others that you
 

7055
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:34,710
talking on behalf of others that you
haven't spoken to.

7056
02:26:34,710 --> 02:26:34,720
haven't spoken to.
 

7057
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:36,950
haven't spoken to.
>> Well, the second part, regardless of

7058
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:36,960
>> Well, the second part, regardless of
 

7059
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:39,030
>> Well, the second part, regardless of
this, is legal. the the fact that she

7060
02:26:39,030 --> 02:26:39,040
this, is legal. the the fact that she
 

7061
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:40,710
this, is legal. the the fact that she
spliced it. She took the audio and

7062
02:26:40,710 --> 02:26:40,720
spliced it. She took the audio and
 

7063
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:41,990
spliced it. She took the audio and
changed it up.

7064
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:42,000
changed it up.
 

7065
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:44,710
changed it up.
>> What's the legality behind that?

7066
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:44,720
>> What's the legality behind that?
 

7067
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:44,950
>> What's the legality behind that?
>> Like,

7068
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:44,960
>> Like,
 

7069
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,710
>> Like,
>> well, it it's just misinformation. It's

7070
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:46,720
>> well, it it's just misinformation. It's
 

7071
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,590
>> well, it it's just misinformation. It's
just slander. Like, it is

7072
02:26:49,590 --> 02:26:49,600
just slander. Like, it is
 

7073
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:53,429
just slander. Like, it is
>> it is her altering and tampering

7074
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:53,439
>> it is her altering and tampering
 

7075
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:57,349
>> it is her altering and tampering
evidence to paint a specific picture.

7076
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:57,359
evidence to paint a specific picture.
 

7077
02:26:57,359 --> 02:27:01,990
evidence to paint a specific picture.
>> Um, obviously, uh, courts are kind of

7078
02:27:01,990 --> 02:27:02,000
>> Um, obviously, uh, courts are kind of
 

7079
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:03,830
>> Um, obviously, uh, courts are kind of
behind when it comes to the internet.

7080
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:03,840
behind when it comes to the internet.
 

7081
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:05,349
behind when it comes to the internet.
So,

7082
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:05,359
So,
 

7083
02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:10,070
So,
>> uh, this kind of thing might might be in

7084
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:10,080
>> uh, this kind of thing might might be in
 

7085
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:13,349
>> uh, this kind of thing might might be in
a more gray area, but audio recordings

7086
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:13,359
a more gray area, but audio recordings
 

7087
02:27:13,359 --> 02:27:17,270
a more gray area, but audio recordings
are a lot more easy for

7088
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:17,280
are a lot more easy for
 

7089
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:18,950
are a lot more easy for
older generations to wrap their head

7090
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:18,960
older generations to wrap their head
 

7091
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:20,230
older generations to wrap their head
around still.

7092
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:20,240
around still.
 

7093
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:23,270
around still.
>> So, the fact that it is altered and

7094
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:23,280
>> So, the fact that it is altered and
 

7095
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:27,110
>> So, the fact that it is altered and
switched is a lot more straightforward,

7096
02:27:27,110 --> 02:27:27,120
switched is a lot more straightforward,
 

7097
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:32,070
switched is a lot more straightforward,
>> right? Uh, all right. I mean,

7098
02:27:32,070 --> 02:27:32,080
>> right? Uh, all right. I mean,
 

7099
02:27:32,080 --> 02:27:34,710
>> right? Uh, all right. I mean,
I I'm I I guess I was just curious about

7100
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:34,720
I I'm I I guess I was just curious about
 

7101
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:37,590
I I'm I I guess I was just curious about
that just because I I we don't talk

7102
02:27:37,590 --> 02:27:37,600
that just because I I we don't talk
 

7103
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,510
that just because I I we don't talk
about Eden a lot in context. I know in

7104
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:39,520
about Eden a lot in context. I know in
 

7105
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:42,150
about Eden a lot in context. I know in
my video I did and I know that uh Claire

7106
02:27:42,150 --> 02:27:42,160
my video I did and I know that uh Claire
 

7107
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:45,110
my video I did and I know that uh Claire
has made accusations against him. Uh I'm

7108
02:27:45,110 --> 02:27:45,120
has made accusations against him. Uh I'm
 

7109
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,030
has made accusations against him. Uh I'm
not sure how necessarily you feel about

7110
02:27:47,030 --> 02:27:47,040
not sure how necessarily you feel about
 

7111
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,750
not sure how necessarily you feel about
those accusations really.

7112
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:49,760
those accusations really.
 

7113
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:52,870
those accusations really.
>> I don't know what happened in their

7114
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:52,880
>> I don't know what happened in their
 

7115
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:54,070
>> I don't know what happened in their
home.

7116
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:54,080
home.
 

7117
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:57,190
home.
>> I also don't think it changes anything

7118
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:57,200
>> I also don't think it changes anything
 

7119
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:59,510
>> I also don't think it changes anything
with Griffin. All of the things I think

7120
02:27:59,510 --> 02:27:59,520
with Griffin. All of the things I think
 

7121
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:04,230
with Griffin. All of the things I think
about him are out there. Um, aside from

7122
02:28:04,230 --> 02:28:04,240
about him are out there. Um, aside from
 

7123
02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:06,870
about him are out there. Um, aside from
some more stuff that I was told uh by

7124
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:06,880
some more stuff that I was told uh by
 

7125
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:08,389
some more stuff that I was told uh by
parties that are not ready to come

7126
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:08,399
parties that are not ready to come
 

7127
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:09,910
parties that are not ready to come
forward,

7128
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:09,920
forward,
 

7129
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:13,349
forward,
um, everything I know from about Griffin

7130
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:13,359
um, everything I know from about Griffin
 

7131
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:17,030
um, everything I know from about Griffin
is information that I have presented.

7132
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:17,040
is information that I have presented.
 

7133
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:19,910
is information that I have presented.
So, regardless of if Ian was abusive or

7134
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:19,920
So, regardless of if Ian was abusive or
 

7135
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:21,110
So, regardless of if Ian was abusive or
not,

7136
02:28:21,110 --> 02:28:21,120
not,
 

7137
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:25,750
not,
>> it doesn't make Griffin not abusive. Um,

7138
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:25,760
>> it doesn't make Griffin not abusive. Um,
 

7139
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:29,190
>> it doesn't make Griffin not abusive. Um,
so my opinion on Ian is that I don't

7140
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:29,200
so my opinion on Ian is that I don't
 

7141
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:33,990
so my opinion on Ian is that I don't
know. Uh, I'm not Ian. I've I once

7142
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:34,000
know. Uh, I'm not Ian. I've I once
 

7143
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:36,870
know. Uh, I'm not Ian. I've I once
talked to Ian at a convention. Uh, I

7144
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:36,880
talked to Ian at a convention. Uh, I
 

7145
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:39,670
talked to Ian at a convention. Uh, I
think this was 2017

7146
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:39,680
think this was 2017
 

7147
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:40,790
think this was 2017
maybe.

7148
02:28:40,790 --> 02:28:40,800
maybe.
 

7149
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,670
maybe.
>> Uh, Brony Con. Um, I talked to him about

7150
02:28:43,670 --> 02:28:43,680
>> Uh, Brony Con. Um, I talked to him about
 

7151
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:46,150
>> Uh, Brony Con. Um, I talked to him about
the SL. Yeah, this might have been 2017

7152
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:46,160
the SL. Yeah, this might have been 2017
 

7153
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:47,510
the SL. Yeah, this might have been 2017
cuz that was immediately after the

7154
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:47,520
cuz that was immediately after the
 

7155
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:49,510
cuz that was immediately after the
Ratchet and Clank movie cuz I talked to

7156
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:49,520
Ratchet and Clank movie cuz I talked to
 

7157
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,030
Ratchet and Clank movie cuz I talked to
him about he was going to star in the Sy

7158
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:51,040
him about he was going to star in the Sy
 

7159
02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:52,710
him about he was going to star in the Sy
Cooper movie as Sly Cooper.

7160
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:52,720
Cooper movie as Sly Cooper.
 

7161
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:54,950
Cooper movie as Sly Cooper.
>> Mhm. And I talked to him because he had

7162
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:54,960
>> Mhm. And I talked to him because he had
 

7163
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:56,230
>> Mhm. And I talked to him because he had
no line because everyone was there to

7164
02:28:56,230 --> 02:28:56,240
no line because everyone was there to
 

7165
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:58,309
no line because everyone was there to
see his daughter who was sitting with

7166
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:58,319
see his daughter who was sitting with
 

7167
02:28:58,319 --> 02:29:00,950
see his daughter who was sitting with
Black Griffin at her booth. Uh which is

7168
02:29:00,950 --> 02:29:00,960
Black Griffin at her booth. Uh which is
 

7169
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:03,110
Black Griffin at her booth. Uh which is
not something that anyone else was

7170
02:29:03,110 --> 02:29:03,120
not something that anyone else was
 

7171
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:03,750
not something that anyone else was
doing.

7172
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:03,760
doing.
 

7173
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:04,230
doing.
>> Mhm.

7174
02:29:04,230 --> 02:29:04,240
>> Mhm.
 

7175
02:29:04,240 --> 02:29:07,510
>> Mhm.
>> He was not like one of the main guests

7176
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:07,520
>> He was not like one of the main guests
 

7177
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:09,830
>> He was not like one of the main guests
and yet he was in that that room with

7178
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:09,840
and yet he was in that that room with
 

7179
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:10,870
and yet he was in that that room with
everyone,

7180
02:29:10,870 --> 02:29:10,880
everyone,
 

7181
02:29:10,880 --> 02:29:11,270
everyone,
>> right?

7182
02:29:11,270 --> 02:29:11,280
>> right?
 

7183
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:15,110
>> right?
>> Um but uh he didn't have a line so I was

7184
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:15,120
>> Um but uh he didn't have a line so I was
 

7185
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,670
>> Um but uh he didn't have a line so I was
talking to him about that. Um and it was

7186
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:17,680
talking to him about that. Um and it was
 

7187
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,270
talking to him about that. Um and it was
a nice conversation but that was the

7188
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:19,280
a nice conversation but that was the
 

7189
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:21,110
a nice conversation but that was the
extent of any conversation I've ever had

7190
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:21,120
extent of any conversation I've ever had
 

7191
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:23,270
extent of any conversation I've ever had
with him. He's never like talked to you

7192
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:23,280
with him. He's never like talked to you
 

7193
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:24,309
with him. He's never like talked to you
about because I mean you're talking

7194
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:24,319
about because I mean you're talking
 

7195
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:25,830
about because I mean you're talking
about his daughter pretty publicly and

7196
02:29:25,830 --> 02:29:25,840
about his daughter pretty publicly and
 

7197
02:29:25,840 --> 02:29:27,510
about his daughter pretty publicly and
you have like you're one of the main

7198
02:29:27,510 --> 02:29:27,520
you have like you're one of the main
 

7199
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,270
you have like you're one of the main
accounts that right like is pushing for

7200
02:29:29,270 --> 02:29:29,280
accounts that right like is pushing for
 

7201
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:31,349
accounts that right like is pushing for
the story. So he has never

7202
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:31,359
the story. So he has never
 

7203
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:32,469
the story. So he has never
>> like interacted with

7204
02:29:32,469 --> 02:29:32,479
>> like interacted with
 

7205
02:29:32,479 --> 02:29:35,030
>> like interacted with
>> I have not talked with him since that

7206
02:29:35,030 --> 02:29:35,040
>> I have not talked with him since that
 

7207
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,349
>> I have not talked with him since that
that moment. No, that was before I ever

7208
02:29:37,349 --> 02:29:37,359
that moment. No, that was before I ever
 

7209
02:29:37,359 --> 02:29:39,670
that moment. No, that was before I ever
called out Griffin or even thought ill

7210
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:39,680
called out Griffin or even thought ill
 

7211
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:40,630
called out Griffin or even thought ill
of him.

7212
02:29:40,630 --> 02:29:40,640
of him.
 

7213
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:44,070
of him.
>> Mhm. Um, and then years later I started

7214
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:44,080
>> Mhm. Um, and then years later I started
 

7215
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,950
>> Mhm. Um, and then years later I started
calling out uh Griffin

7216
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:46,960
calling out uh Griffin
 

7217
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:52,150
calling out uh Griffin
>> and I I've not tal to Ian once and since

7218
02:29:52,150 --> 02:29:52,160
>> and I I've not tal to Ian once and since
 

7219
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:54,150
>> and I I've not tal to Ian once and since
then. I think he probably knows

7220
02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:54,160
then. I think he probably knows
 

7221
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:55,830
then. I think he probably knows
everything that's going on. I'm not

7222
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:55,840
everything that's going on. I'm not
 

7223
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,790
everything that's going on. I'm not
going to lie, but I have not talked to

7224
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:58,800
going to lie, but I have not talked to
 

7225
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:02,870
going to lie, but I have not talked to
him personally. Um, I I I don't think

7226
02:30:02,870 --> 02:30:02,880
him personally. Um, I I I don't think
 

7227
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:04,630
him personally. Um, I I I don't think
he's manipulating things behind the

7228
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:04,640
he's manipulating things behind the
 

7229
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:08,230
he's manipulating things behind the
scenes because I operate

7230
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:08,240
scenes because I operate
 

7231
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:09,990
scenes because I operate
regardless of him. Mhm.

7232
02:30:09,990 --> 02:30:10,000
regardless of him. Mhm.
 

7233
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:11,910
regardless of him. Mhm.
>> Like I don't I haven't talked to him. He

7234
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:11,920
>> Like I don't I haven't talked to him. He
 

7235
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:13,429
>> Like I don't I haven't talked to him. He
hasn't talked to me.

7236
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:13,439
hasn't talked to me.
 

7237
02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:15,110
hasn't talked to me.
>> All the things I post aren't things

7238
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:15,120
>> All the things I post aren't things
 

7239
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:17,670
>> All the things I post aren't things
provided to me by him like some have

7240
02:30:17,670 --> 02:30:17,680
provided to me by him like some have
 

7241
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:19,270
provided to me by him like some have
theorized for

7242
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:19,280
theorized for
 

7243
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,190
theorized for
>> Yeah. Claire has theorized that cuz when

7244
02:30:21,190 --> 02:30:21,200
>> Yeah. Claire has theorized that cuz when
 

7245
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:23,030
>> Yeah. Claire has theorized that cuz when
she first noticed you, she thought it

7246
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:23,040
she first noticed you, she thought it
 

7247
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:23,750
she first noticed you, she thought it
was her dad.

7248
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:23,760
was her dad.
 

7249
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:26,710
was her dad.
>> I like I said, my initial reason for

7250
02:30:26,710 --> 02:30:26,720
>> I like I said, my initial reason for
 

7251
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:29,590
>> I like I said, my initial reason for
calling him out at all was because of

7252
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:29,600
calling him out at all was because of
 

7253
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:31,190
calling him out at all was because of
the racist posts.

7254
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:31,200
the racist posts.
 

7255
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:32,389
the racist posts.
>> Mhm.

7256
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:32,399
>> Mhm.
 

7257
02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:35,590
>> Mhm.
>> Um and that was happening in real time.

7258
02:30:35,590 --> 02:30:35,600
>> Um and that was happening in real time.
 

7259
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:38,950
>> Um and that was happening in real time.
So, the theory that Ian was manipulating

7260
02:30:38,950 --> 02:30:38,960
So, the theory that Ian was manipulating
 

7261
02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:41,670
So, the theory that Ian was manipulating
me and tricking me into doing this is

7262
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:41,680
me and tricking me into doing this is
 

7263
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:43,990
me and tricking me into doing this is
kind of crazy given what I know happened

7264
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:44,000
kind of crazy given what I know happened
 

7265
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,710
kind of crazy given what I know happened
to me in real time. And uh the the fact

7266
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:46,720
to me in real time. And uh the the fact
 

7267
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:49,510
to me in real time. And uh the the fact
that both Claire and Billy Bustup's team

7268
02:30:49,510 --> 02:30:49,520
that both Claire and Billy Bustup's team
 

7269
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:52,469
that both Claire and Billy Bustup's team
have pitched the idea that I am either

7270
02:30:52,469 --> 02:30:52,479
have pitched the idea that I am either
 

7271
02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:57,590
have pitched the idea that I am either
him or an operative for him. Uh

7272
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:57,600
him or an operative for him. Uh
 

7273
02:30:57,600 --> 02:30:59,510
him or an operative for him. Uh
it's it's it's silly,

7274
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:59,520
it's it's it's silly,
 

7275
02:30:59,520 --> 02:30:59,830
it's it's it's silly,
>> right?

7276
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:59,840
>> right?
 

7277
02:30:59,840 --> 02:31:02,550
>> right?
>> Uh and I wish people saw that more.

7278
02:31:02,550 --> 02:31:02,560
>> Uh and I wish people saw that more.
 

7279
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:05,030
>> Uh and I wish people saw that more.
>> Mhm. Has he ever spoke? Because I know

7280
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:05,040
>> Mhm. Has he ever spoke? Because I know
 

7281
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:08,309
>> Mhm. Has he ever spoke? Because I know
Sophie Shrugs uh did con stuff. Is that

7282
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:08,319
Sophie Shrugs uh did con stuff. Is that
 

7283
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:11,429
Sophie Shrugs uh did con stuff. Is that
like something that maybe has she ever

7284
02:31:11,429 --> 02:31:11,439
like something that maybe has she ever
 

7285
02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:13,270
like something that maybe has she ever
had a conversation with him? Cuz you

7286
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:13,280
had a conversation with him? Cuz you
 

7287
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:14,870
had a conversation with him? Cuz you
said you met him at a con and had a nice

7288
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:14,880
said you met him at a con and had a nice
 

7289
02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:18,150
said you met him at a con and had a nice
conversation. Did she ever meet Metacon?

7290
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:18,160
conversation. Did she ever meet Metacon?
 

7291
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:20,950
conversation. Did she ever meet Metacon?
>> I don't I don't know. I I don't I can't

7292
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:20,960
>> I don't I don't know. I I don't I can't
 

7293
02:31:20,960 --> 02:31:23,349
>> I don't I don't know. I I don't I can't
really talk about like I don't want to

7294
02:31:23,349 --> 02:31:23,359
really talk about like I don't want to
 

7295
02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:24,950
really talk about like I don't want to
talk for other people.

7296
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:24,960
talk for other people.
 

7297
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:28,070
talk for other people.
>> All I can say for for certain is that I

7298
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:28,080
>> All I can say for for certain is that I
 

7299
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:29,349
>> All I can say for for certain is that I
have not talked to him.

7300
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:29,359
have not talked to him.
 

7301
02:31:29,359 --> 02:31:32,870
have not talked to him.
>> Okay. Um what else? I guess I had a

7302
02:31:32,870 --> 02:31:32,880
>> Okay. Um what else? I guess I had a
 

7303
02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:33,910
>> Okay. Um what else? I guess I had a
question about whether or not you would

7304
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:33,920
question about whether or not you would
 

7305
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:35,190
question about whether or not you would
ever want to have a conversation with

7306
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:35,200
ever want to have a conversation with
 

7307
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:37,349
ever want to have a conversation with
Copen Seath. I'm going to take a guess

7308
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:37,359
Copen Seath. I'm going to take a guess
 

7309
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:38,790
Copen Seath. I'm going to take a guess
and say that your answer is going to be

7310
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:38,800
and say that your answer is going to be
 

7311
02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:40,150
and say that your answer is going to be
no.

7312
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:40,160
no.
 

7313
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:41,590
no.
>> I don't want anyone to have a

7314
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:41,600
>> I don't want anyone to have a
 

7315
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,150
>> I don't want anyone to have a
conversation with Copen. In fact, if all

7316
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:44,160
conversation with Copen. In fact, if all
 

7317
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:46,230
conversation with Copen. In fact, if all
of the information that was in that

7318
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:46,240
of the information that was in that
 

7319
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:49,190
of the information that was in that
video was represented by you and then I

7320
02:31:49,190 --> 02:31:49,200
video was represented by you and then I
 

7321
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:52,550
video was represented by you and then I
could react to that, I would do that

7322
02:31:52,550 --> 02:31:52,560
could react to that, I would do that
 

7323
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,469
could react to that, I would do that
>> cuz I I don't have like I don't want

7324
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:54,479
>> cuz I I don't have like I don't want
 

7325
02:31:54,479 --> 02:31:56,870
>> cuz I I don't have like I don't want
people thinking that like I'm hiding

7326
02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:56,880
people thinking that like I'm hiding
 

7327
02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:58,550
people thinking that like I'm hiding
something trying to get them to not look

7328
02:31:58,550 --> 02:31:58,560
something trying to get them to not look
 

7329
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:00,950
something trying to get them to not look
at his video. I just think he's a [\h__\h]

7330
02:32:00,950 --> 02:32:00,960
at his video. I just think he's a [\h__\h]
 

7331
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:03,349
at his video. I just think he's a [\h__\h]
person. and I don't want any attention

7332
02:32:03,349 --> 02:32:03,359
person. and I don't want any attention
 

7333
02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:05,110
person. and I don't want any attention
going his way.

7334
02:32:05,110 --> 02:32:05,120
going his way.
 

7335
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:06,550
going his way.
>> All right. Well, I mean, I guess that

7336
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:06,560
>> All right. Well, I mean, I guess that
 

7337
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:08,790
>> All right. Well, I mean, I guess that
answers my question.

7338
02:32:08,790 --> 02:32:08,800
answers my question.
 

7339
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:12,309
answers my question.
I I suppose that answers that for sure.

7340
02:32:12,309 --> 02:32:12,319
I I suppose that answers that for sure.
 

7341
02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:13,110
I I suppose that answers that for sure.
>> Yeah.

7342
02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:13,120
>> Yeah.
 

7343
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:14,950
>> Yeah.
>> So, I guess we can get into Mr. Ent's

7344
02:32:14,950 --> 02:32:14,960
>> So, I guess we can get into Mr. Ent's
 

7345
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:16,070
>> So, I guess we can get into Mr. Ent's
video now because you said that you

7346
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:16,080
video now because you said that you
 

7347
02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:17,590
video now because you said that you
liked the interview with Emily, which I

7348
02:32:17,590 --> 02:32:17,600
liked the interview with Emily, which I
 

7349
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:19,190
liked the interview with Emily, which I
feel like the the interview with Emily

7350
02:32:19,190 --> 02:32:19,200
feel like the the interview with Emily
 

7351
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,469
feel like the the interview with Emily
was important enough so that she can at

7352
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:20,479
was important enough so that she can at
 

7353
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:22,230
was important enough so that she can at
least not be anonymous anymore because

7354
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:22,240
least not be anonymous anymore because
 

7355
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:23,670
least not be anonymous anymore because
Reddit already figured out who she was

7356
02:32:23,670 --> 02:32:23,680
Reddit already figured out who she was
 

7357
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,830
Reddit already figured out who she was
like really quickly. So, the fact that

7358
02:32:25,830 --> 02:32:25,840
like really quickly. So, the fact that
 

7359
02:32:25,840 --> 02:32:28,230
like really quickly. So, the fact that
she has a say in her own testimony is

7360
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:28,240
she has a say in her own testimony is
 

7361
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,630
she has a say in her own testimony is
very important. So, that's cool. But you

7362
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:30,640
very important. So, that's cool. But you
 

7363
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:34,070
very important. So, that's cool. But you
said you didn't particularly like his

7364
02:32:34,070 --> 02:32:34,080
said you didn't particularly like his
 

7365
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:36,150
said you didn't particularly like his
video and you were going to react to it

7366
02:32:36,150 --> 02:32:36,160
video and you were going to react to it
 

7367
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:40,710
video and you were going to react to it
at some point. Uh I mean is what's your

7368
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:40,720
at some point. Uh I mean is what's your
 

7369
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:42,469
at some point. Uh I mean is what's your
issues with it? I mean I thought that he

7370
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:42,479
issues with it? I mean I thought that he
 

7371
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:43,750
issues with it? I mean I thought that he
took a pretty middle of the road

7372
02:32:43,750 --> 02:32:43,760
took a pretty middle of the road
 

7373
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:45,349
took a pretty middle of the road
approach which I think is the safest

7374
02:32:45,349 --> 02:32:45,359
approach which I think is the safest
 

7375
02:32:45,359 --> 02:32:47,830
approach which I think is the safest
thing to do if you're going to because I

7376
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:47,840
thing to do if you're going to because I
 

7377
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:49,750
thing to do if you're going to because I
mean presenting allegations like this in

7378
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:49,760
mean presenting allegations like this in
 

7379
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:51,510
mean presenting allegations like this in
any sense like no matter what they are

7380
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:51,520
any sense like no matter what they are
 

7381
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:52,950
any sense like no matter what they are
is kind of a risk to your career. Like

7382
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:52,960
is kind of a risk to your career. Like
 

7383
02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:53,990
is kind of a risk to your career. Like
you kind of you have to kind of

7384
02:32:53,990 --> 02:32:54,000
you kind of you have to kind of
 

7385
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:56,630
you kind of you have to kind of
understand he's trying to play it safe.

7386
02:32:56,630 --> 02:32:56,640
understand he's trying to play it safe.
 

7387
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:58,950
understand he's trying to play it safe.
Well, he highlighted Copen Seed as a

7388
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:58,960
Well, he highlighted Copen Seed as a
 

7389
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:01,510
Well, he highlighted Copen Seed as a
reliable source, which I think is a

7390
02:33:01,510 --> 02:33:01,520
reliable source, which I think is a
 

7391
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:04,469
reliable source, which I think is a
stupid move. Um, okay.

7392
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:04,479
stupid move. Um, okay.
 

7393
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:07,670
stupid move. Um, okay.
>> But also, uh, he presented a lot of

7394
02:33:07,670 --> 02:33:07,680
>> But also, uh, he presented a lot of
 

7395
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:12,710
>> But also, uh, he presented a lot of
information regarding Griffin as, uh, he

7396
02:33:12,710 --> 02:33:12,720
information regarding Griffin as, uh, he
 

7397
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:15,190
information regarding Griffin as, uh, he
was very dismissive of a lot of it and

7398
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:15,200
was very dismissive of a lot of it and
 

7399
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:17,670
was very dismissive of a lot of it and
presented some of it, but not some of

7400
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:17,680
presented some of it, but not some of
 

7401
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:20,790
presented some of it, but not some of
the more damning stuff. Um, but didn't

7402
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:20,800
the more damning stuff. Um, but didn't
 

7403
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:23,830
the more damning stuff. Um, but didn't
like I I said this earlier, but when he

7404
02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:23,840
like I I said this earlier, but when he
 

7405
02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:26,870
like I I said this earlier, but when he
presents some of it, but not the full

7406
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:26,880
presents some of it, but not the full
 

7407
02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:29,030
presents some of it, but not the full
picture, uh, people are going to get the

7408
02:33:29,030 --> 02:33:29,040
picture, uh, people are going to get the
 

7409
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:30,790
picture, uh, people are going to get the
sense that this is like a summary of it

7410
02:33:30,790 --> 02:33:30,800
sense that this is like a summary of it
 

7411
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:32,630
sense that this is like a summary of it
at the very least, and it's not an

7412
02:33:32,630 --> 02:33:32,640
at the very least, and it's not an
 

7413
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:34,230
at the very least, and it's not an
accurate summary either.

7414
02:33:34,230 --> 02:33:34,240
accurate summary either.
 

7415
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:34,550
accurate summary either.
>> Mhm.

7416
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:34,560
>> Mhm.
 

7417
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:37,510
>> Mhm.
>> Um, and he talks about the document very

7418
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:37,520
>> Um, and he talks about the document very
 

7419
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:39,990
>> Um, and he talks about the document very
passively, saying that like there

7420
02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:40,000
passively, saying that like there
 

7421
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:43,429
passively, saying that like there
there's like a shotgun attempt at uh,

7422
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:43,439
there's like a shotgun attempt at uh,
 

7423
02:33:43,439 --> 02:33:45,830
there's like a shotgun attempt at uh,
calling Griffin out when it it's I don't

7424
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:45,840
calling Griffin out when it it's I don't
 

7425
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:49,110
calling Griffin out when it it's I don't
really see it that way. Um,

7426
02:33:49,110 --> 02:33:49,120
really see it that way. Um,
 

7427
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:50,790
really see it that way. Um,
I think that all of the things in the

7428
02:33:50,790 --> 02:33:50,800
I think that all of the things in the
 

7429
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:54,550
I think that all of the things in the
document are actual condemning evidence.

7430
02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:54,560
document are actual condemning evidence.
 

7431
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:58,150
document are actual condemning evidence.
It's just that some of it is not so much

7432
02:33:58,150 --> 02:33:58,160
It's just that some of it is not so much
 

7433
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:01,510
It's just that some of it is not so much
um as other parts.

7434
02:34:01,510 --> 02:34:01,520
um as other parts.
 

7435
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:03,910
um as other parts.
>> Um none of it is nothing,

7436
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:03,920
>> Um none of it is nothing,
 

7437
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:06,630
>> Um none of it is nothing,
>> but some of it is a lot more than other

7438
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:06,640
>> but some of it is a lot more than other
 

7439
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:09,429
>> but some of it is a lot more than other
parts. And that's why it's in sections,

7440
02:34:09,429 --> 02:34:09,439
parts. And that's why it's in sections,
 

7441
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:11,830
parts. And that's why it's in sections,
>> right? Um,

7442
02:34:11,830 --> 02:34:11,840
>> right? Um,
 

7443
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:16,309
>> right? Um,
and I think it did a lot of harm to just

7444
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:16,319
and I think it did a lot of harm to just
 

7445
02:34:16,319 --> 02:34:20,950
and I think it did a lot of harm to just
a agree with Copen and go document not

7446
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:20,960
a agree with Copen and go document not
 

7447
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:23,590
a agree with Copen and go document not
really that that important cuz this is

7448
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:23,600
really that that important cuz this is
 

7449
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:26,389
really that that important cuz this is
like it it it's stuffed with

7450
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:26,399
like it it it's stuffed with
 

7451
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:27,510
like it it it's stuffed with
information.

7452
02:34:27,510 --> 02:34:27,520
information.
 

7453
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:30,550
information.
>> And I I I I thought that Griffin was a

7454
02:34:30,550 --> 02:34:30,560
>> And I I I I thought that Griffin was a
 

7455
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:34,630
>> And I I I I thought that Griffin was a
monster just from the racist post alone.

7456
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:34,640
monster just from the racist post alone.
 

7457
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:36,150
monster just from the racist post alone.
And I still do.

7458
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:36,160
And I still do.
 

7459
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:40,070
And I still do.
>> Mhm. Um, everything else just makes it

7460
02:34:40,070 --> 02:34:40,080
>> Mhm. Um, everything else just makes it
 

7461
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:43,590
>> Mhm. Um, everything else just makes it
all that much worse. It just has made it

7462
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:43,600
all that much worse. It just has made it
 

7463
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:46,389
all that much worse. It just has made it
so much worse. And

7464
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:46,399
so much worse. And
 

7465
02:34:46,399 --> 02:34:48,870
so much worse. And
dismissing that just feels crazy to me.

7466
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:48,880
dismissing that just feels crazy to me.
 

7467
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:50,230
dismissing that just feels crazy to me.
And then

7468
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:50,240
And then
 

7469
02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:52,309
And then
>> he get he gets more information where he

7470
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:52,319
>> he get he gets more information where he
 

7471
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:54,790
>> he get he gets more information where he
get he reveals the Mando pony stuff

7472
02:34:54,790 --> 02:34:54,800
get he reveals the Mando pony stuff
 

7473
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:57,349
get he reveals the Mando pony stuff
>> and then he hypes that up because I I it

7474
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:57,359
>> and then he hypes that up because I I it
 

7475
02:34:57,359 --> 02:34:59,590
>> and then he hypes that up because I I it
feels like to me that he found that

7476
02:34:59,590 --> 02:34:59,600
feels like to me that he found that
 

7477
02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:03,190
feels like to me that he found that
information so it's important to him but

7478
02:35:03,190 --> 02:35:03,200
information so it's important to him but
 

7479
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,110
information so it's important to him but
the other information he's just reading

7480
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:05,120
the other information he's just reading
 

7481
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:09,270
the other information he's just reading
that and he does he doesn't like me. So

7482
02:35:09,270 --> 02:35:09,280
that and he does he doesn't like me. So
 

7483
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:11,349
that and he does he doesn't like me. So
he he connects the document with me even

7484
02:35:11,349 --> 02:35:11,359
he he connects the document with me even
 

7485
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:13,030
he he connects the document with me even
though I didn't write it and says that

7486
02:35:13,030 --> 02:35:13,040
though I didn't write it and says that
 

7487
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:14,550
though I didn't write it and says that
once I'm out of the hospital I'll

7488
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:14,560
once I'm out of the hospital I'll
 

7489
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:18,070
once I'm out of the hospital I'll
probably harass him. Um,

7490
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:18,080
probably harass him. Um,
 

7491
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:21,670
probably harass him. Um,
so he's very dismissive of all of

7492
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:21,680
so he's very dismissive of all of
 

7493
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:23,990
so he's very dismissive of all of
everything that came before him.

7494
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:24,000
everything that came before him.
 

7495
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:24,469
everything that came before him.
>> Mhm.

7496
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:24,479
>> Mhm.
 

7497
02:35:24,479 --> 02:35:26,950
>> Mhm.
>> And the Mando Pony information, while I

7498
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:26,960
>> And the Mando Pony information, while I
 

7499
02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:29,670
>> And the Mando Pony information, while I
think it is a good find, I don't think

7500
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:29,680
think it is a good find, I don't think
 

7501
02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:32,710
think it is a good find, I don't think
it's like the most revolutionary twist

7502
02:35:32,710 --> 02:35:32,720
it's like the most revolutionary twist
 

7503
02:35:32,720 --> 02:35:35,510
it's like the most revolutionary twist
in all of this. Um, and the video with

7504
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:35,520
in all of this. Um, and the video with
 

7505
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,590
in all of this. Um, and the video with
Michelle is it is another inappropriate

7506
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:37,600
Michelle is it is another inappropriate
 

7507
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:39,830
Michelle is it is another inappropriate
video. It is

7508
02:35:39,830 --> 02:35:39,840
video. It is
 

7509
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:41,429
video. It is
gross to look at.

7510
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:41,439
gross to look at.
 

7511
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:45,190
gross to look at.
>> Mhm. Um, but it is it is one of multiple

7512
02:35:45,190 --> 02:35:45,200
>> Mhm. Um, but it is it is one of multiple
 

7513
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:46,710
>> Mhm. Um, but it is it is one of multiple
other videos that are also in the

7514
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:46,720
other videos that are also in the
 

7515
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:48,309
other videos that are also in the
document that he didn't really care

7516
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:48,319
document that he didn't really care
 

7517
02:35:48,319 --> 02:35:50,630
document that he didn't really care
about, but it's new information that he

7518
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:50,640
about, but it's new information that he
 

7519
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:51,830
about, but it's new information that he
found.

7520
02:35:51,830 --> 02:35:51,840
found.
 

7521
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:55,190
found.
>> So, it comes across to me as um

7522
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:55,200
>> So, it comes across to me as um
 

7523
02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:59,429
>> So, it comes across to me as um
more a personal like invest in in

7524
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:59,439
more a personal like invest in in
 

7525
02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:01,590
more a personal like invest in in
personal investment versus actual

7526
02:36:01,590 --> 02:36:01,600
personal investment versus actual
 

7527
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:03,429
personal investment versus actual
presenting information

7528
02:36:03,429 --> 02:36:03,439
presenting information
 

7529
02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:05,990
presenting information
>> and concern for the situation.

7530
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:06,000
>> and concern for the situation.
 

7531
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:07,910
>> and concern for the situation.
>> Right.

7532
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:07,920
>> Right.
 

7533
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:10,150
>> Right.
Well, I mean, if if it means anything,

7534
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:10,160
Well, I mean, if if it means anything,
 

7535
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:11,349
Well, I mean, if if it means anything,
he didn't say that you wrote the

7536
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:11,359
he didn't say that you wrote the
 

7537
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:13,030
he didn't say that you wrote the
document. He said that you shared the

7538
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:13,040
document. He said that you shared the
 

7539
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:15,590
document. He said that you shared the
document, like which he says in your

7540
02:36:15,590 --> 02:36:15,600
document, like which he says in your
 

7541
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:19,110
document, like which he says in your
defense wouldn't technically be a uh

7542
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:19,120
defense wouldn't technically be a uh
 

7543
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:20,710
defense wouldn't technically be a uh
evidence of defamation if you didn't

7544
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:20,720
evidence of defamation if you didn't
 

7545
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:21,990
evidence of defamation if you didn't
write it yourself. You're just sharing

7546
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:22,000
write it yourself. You're just sharing
 

7547
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:25,110
write it yourself. You're just sharing
information. So, it's not that he's

7548
02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:25,120
information. So, it's not that he's
 

7549
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:26,950
information. So, it's not that he's
saying that like, you know, the

7550
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:26,960
saying that like, you know, the
 

7551
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:28,230
saying that like, you know, the
documents are nothing. I mean, he didn't

7552
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:28,240
documents are nothing. I mean, he didn't
 

7553
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:29,910
documents are nothing. I mean, he didn't
even say the documents like all nothing.

7554
02:36:29,910 --> 02:36:29,920
even say the documents like all nothing.
 

7555
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:31,270
even say the documents like all nothing.
He said there are things in there like

7556
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:31,280
He said there are things in there like
 

7557
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:32,790
He said there are things in there like
the the Deviant Art comments are

7558
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:32,800
the the Deviant Art comments are
 

7559
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:34,550
the the Deviant Art comments are
objectively creepy and there are videos

7560
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:34,560
objectively creepy and there are videos
 

7561
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:36,710
objectively creepy and there are videos
that were put in the documentary where

7562
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:36,720
that were put in the documentary where
 

7563
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:37,590
that were put in the documentary where
he's like, "Yeah, no, these are

7564
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:37,600
he's like, "Yeah, no, these are
 

7565
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,910
he's like, "Yeah, no, these are
objectively really [\h__\h] weird." Like

7566
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:39,920
objectively really [\h__\h] weird." Like
 

7567
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,030
objectively really [\h__\h] weird." Like
it's not like he's saying there's

7568
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:41,040
it's not like he's saying there's
 

7569
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:43,670
it's not like he's saying there's
nothing in there. It's just that you

7570
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:43,680
nothing in there. It's just that you
 

7571
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,190
nothing in there. It's just that you
have to weave through what's more

7572
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:45,200
have to weave through what's more
 

7573
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:46,550
have to weave through what's more
important, what's not. Cuz my thing is

7574
02:36:46,550 --> 02:36:46,560
important, what's not. Cuz my thing is
 

7575
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:49,030
important, what's not. Cuz my thing is
is that like the main accusation that

7576
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:49,040
is that like the main accusation that
 

7577
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,349
is that like the main accusation that
most people is say is the most damning

7578
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:51,359
most people is say is the most damning
 

7579
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:53,270
most people is say is the most damning
for sure is that he's a groomer. When

7580
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:53,280
for sure is that he's a groomer. When
 

7581
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:54,950
for sure is that he's a groomer. When
you bring up he's a racist also, it's

7582
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:54,960
you bring up he's a racist also, it's
 

7583
02:36:54,960 --> 02:36:57,750
you bring up he's a racist also, it's
like not that no one cares about racism.

7584
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:57,760
like not that no one cares about racism.
 

7585
02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:00,469
like not that no one cares about racism.
It's more so like, okay, what do we care

7586
02:37:00,469 --> 02:37:00,479
It's more so like, okay, what do we care
 

7587
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:03,270
It's more so like, okay, what do we care
more about? Like off-handed ignorance or

7588
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:03,280
more about? Like off-handed ignorance or
 

7589
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:05,270
more about? Like off-handed ignorance or
intentionally being malicious to

7590
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:05,280
intentionally being malicious to
 

7591
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:07,510
intentionally being malicious to
children?

7592
02:37:07,510 --> 02:37:07,520
children?
 

7593
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:08,790
children?
Like I think

7594
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:08,800
Like I think
 

7595
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:11,670
Like I think
>> I disagree pretty strongly with that

7596
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:11,680
>> I disagree pretty strongly with that
 

7597
02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:14,309
>> I disagree pretty strongly with that
perception. I I don't think that they

7598
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:14,319
perception. I I don't think that they
 

7599
02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:18,070
perception. I I don't think that they
are things that you can compare. Um not

7600
02:37:18,070 --> 02:37:18,080
are things that you can compare. Um not
 

7601
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:20,550
are things that you can compare. Um not
because one is lesser, but because I'm

7602
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:20,560
because one is lesser, but because I'm
 

7603
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,389
because one is lesser, but because I'm
not going to try to compare. I think

7604
02:37:22,389 --> 02:37:22,399
not going to try to compare. I think
 

7605
02:37:22,399 --> 02:37:24,550
not going to try to compare. I think
they're both horrendous actions

7606
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:24,560
they're both horrendous actions
 

7607
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:27,270
they're both horrendous actions
>> and they can both be called out. Sure.

7608
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:27,280
>> and they can both be called out. Sure.
 

7609
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:29,590
>> and they can both be called out. Sure.
>> And the reason I keep trying to bring

7610
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:29,600
>> And the reason I keep trying to bring
 

7611
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:32,469
>> And the reason I keep trying to bring
attention to it, especially recently, is

7612
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:32,479
attention to it, especially recently, is
 

7613
02:37:32,479 --> 02:37:34,710
attention to it, especially recently, is
because every time it's talked about,

7614
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:34,720
because every time it's talked about,
 

7615
02:37:34,720 --> 02:37:37,750
because every time it's talked about,
the pe the um the people def who defend

7616
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:37,760
the pe the um the people def who defend
 

7617
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:40,950
the pe the um the people def who defend
Griffin ignore that. They don't want to

7618
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:40,960
Griffin ignore that. They don't want to
 

7619
02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:43,910
Griffin ignore that. They don't want to
even touch it. Billy Bustup's uh

7620
02:37:43,910 --> 02:37:43,920
even touch it. Billy Bustup's uh
 

7621
02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:46,469
even touch it. Billy Bustup's uh
response document

7622
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:46,479
response document
 

7623
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:48,790
response document
didn't didn't even show any of that

7624
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:48,800
didn't didn't even show any of that
 

7625
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:50,309
didn't didn't even show any of that
despite the fact that they were trying

7626
02:37:50,309 --> 02:37:50,319
despite the fact that they were trying
 

7627
02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:52,309
despite the fact that they were trying
to make people believe that they were

7628
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:52,319
to make people believe that they were
 

7629
02:37:52,319 --> 02:37:55,270
to make people believe that they were
showing the information against Griffin

7630
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:55,280
showing the information against Griffin
 

7631
02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:56,870
showing the information against Griffin
and then countering it.

7632
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:56,880
and then countering it.
 

7633
02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:59,190
and then countering it.
>> They purposely left all of the racist

7634
02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:59,200
>> They purposely left all of the racist
 

7635
02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:01,429
>> They purposely left all of the racist
stuff out. Um,

7636
02:38:01,429 --> 02:38:01,439
stuff out. Um,
 

7637
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:02,630
stuff out. Um,
>> well, again, it's because their

7638
02:38:02,630 --> 02:38:02,640
>> well, again, it's because their
 

7639
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,469
>> well, again, it's because their
prerogative is supreme. He's not doing

7640
02:38:04,469 --> 02:38:04,479
prerogative is supreme. He's not doing
 

7641
02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:05,830
prerogative is supreme. He's not doing
any because I mean,

7642
02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:05,840
any because I mean,
 

7643
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:07,830
any because I mean,
>> no, but they they they touched on the

7644
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:07,840
>> no, but they they they touched on the
 

7645
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,230
>> no, but they they they touched on the
topic of him being alt-right, quote

7646
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:10,240
topic of him being alt-right, quote
 

7647
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:12,630
topic of him being alt-right, quote
unquote, which is not something I or

7648
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:12,640
unquote, which is not something I or
 

7649
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:14,309
unquote, which is not something I or
other people that I've seen have accused

7650
02:38:14,309 --> 02:38:14,319
other people that I've seen have accused
 

7651
02:38:14,319 --> 02:38:15,349
other people that I've seen have accused
him of,

7652
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:15,359
him of,
 

7653
02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:17,910
him of,
>> but there is a huge section of my thread

7654
02:38:17,910 --> 02:38:17,920
>> but there is a huge section of my thread
 

7655
02:38:17,920 --> 02:38:20,469
>> but there is a huge section of my thread
of the document of other things

7656
02:38:20,469 --> 02:38:20,479
of the document of other things
 

7657
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:22,230
of the document of other things
>> where we talk about racist things that

7658
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:22,240
>> where we talk about racist things that
 

7659
02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:23,990
>> where we talk about racist things that
he's done that would go against the

7660
02:38:23,990 --> 02:38:24,000
he's done that would go against the
 

7661
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:26,790
he's done that would go against the
morals of their game even and their

7662
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:26,800
morals of their game even and their
 

7663
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:27,910
morals of their game even and their
community,

7664
02:38:27,910 --> 02:38:27,920
community,
 

7665
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:30,389
community,
>> right? Um, and they they they act like

7666
02:38:30,389 --> 02:38:30,399
>> right? Um, and they they they act like
 

7667
02:38:30,399 --> 02:38:33,670
>> right? Um, and they they they act like
they cover the accusation by making up a

7668
02:38:33,670 --> 02:38:33,680
they cover the accusation by making up a
 

7669
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:35,270
they cover the accusation by making up a
different accusation.

7670
02:38:35,270 --> 02:38:35,280
different accusation.
 

7671
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:35,750
different accusation.
>> Mhm.

7672
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:35,760
>> Mhm.
 

7673
02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:39,750
>> Mhm.
>> Um, they know about that all of that and

7674
02:38:39,750 --> 02:38:39,760
>> Um, they know about that all of that and
 

7675
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:43,990
>> Um, they know about that all of that and
they don't talk about it. Um, and it's

7676
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:44,000
they don't talk about it. Um, and it's
 

7677
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,710
they don't talk about it. Um, and it's
because I feel like they can

7678
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:46,720
because I feel like they can
 

7679
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:49,030
because I feel like they can
they they know that they can tell

7680
02:38:49,030 --> 02:38:49,040
they they know that they can tell
 

7681
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:52,550
they they know that they can tell
people, hey, this isn't grooming because

7682
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:52,560
people, hey, this isn't grooming because
 

7683
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:56,070
people, hey, this isn't grooming because
everyone's cool with it. Um and and a

7684
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:56,080
everyone's cool with it. Um and and a
 

7685
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:58,630
everyone's cool with it. Um and and a
lot of people that don't understand the

7686
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:58,640
lot of people that don't understand the
 

7687
02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:00,870
lot of people that don't understand the
nuances of

7688
02:39:00,870 --> 02:39:00,880
nuances of
 

7689
02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:03,349
nuances of
people and what is and isn't

7690
02:39:03,349 --> 02:39:03,359
people and what is and isn't
 

7691
02:39:03,359 --> 02:39:05,429
people and what is and isn't
inappropriate will go, "Yeah, that makes

7692
02:39:05,429 --> 02:39:05,439
inappropriate will go, "Yeah, that makes
 

7693
02:39:05,439 --> 02:39:08,150
inappropriate will go, "Yeah, that makes
sense. Um why should I have a problem

7694
02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:08,160
sense. Um why should I have a problem
 

7695
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:09,990
sense. Um why should I have a problem
with something if

7696
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:10,000
with something if
 

7697
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:11,990
with something if
>> and

7698
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:12,000
>> and
 

7699
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:16,550
>> and
and you sorry I was about to I was about

7700
02:39:16,550 --> 02:39:16,560
and you sorry I was about to I was about
 

7701
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:17,910
and you sorry I was about to I was about
to get on a tangent and then I stopped

7702
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:17,920
to get on a tangent and then I stopped
 

7703
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:19,670
to get on a tangent and then I stopped
myself and then I lost track of myself."

7704
02:39:19,670 --> 02:39:19,680
myself and then I lost track of myself."
 

7705
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:21,510
myself and then I lost track of myself."
>> No, it's fine. Well, I think the

7706
02:39:21,510 --> 02:39:21,520
>> No, it's fine. Well, I think the
 

7707
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,190
>> No, it's fine. Well, I think the
prerogative for them is to prove that he

7708
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:23,200
prerogative for them is to prove that he
 

7709
02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:25,030
prerogative for them is to prove that he
didn't do the thing that is like absolut

7710
02:39:25,030 --> 02:39:25,040
didn't do the thing that is like absolut
 

7711
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:28,469
didn't do the thing that is like absolut
like I mean [\h__\h] You're accusing him of

7712
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:28,479
like I mean [\h__\h] You're accusing him of
 

7713
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:30,630
like I mean [\h__\h] You're accusing him of
doing something illegal. Like grooming

7714
02:39:30,630 --> 02:39:30,640
doing something illegal. Like grooming
 

7715
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:32,389
doing something illegal. Like grooming
and then also sending dickpicks is

7716
02:39:32,389 --> 02:39:32,399
and then also sending dickpicks is
 

7717
02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:34,950
and then also sending dickpicks is
illegal. Racism in and of itself as bad

7718
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:34,960
illegal. Racism in and of itself as bad
 

7719
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:37,830
illegal. Racism in and of itself as bad
as it is is not illegal. Like they can

7720
02:39:37,830 --> 02:39:37,840
as it is is not illegal. Like they can
 

7721
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,670
as it is is not illegal. Like they can
condemn the the stuff he said on

7722
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:39,680
condemn the the stuff he said on
 

7723
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,670
condemn the the stuff he said on
Twitter, but that's the most that they

7724
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:41,680
Twitter, but that's the most that they
 

7725
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:43,429
Twitter, but that's the most that they
can't do. They can't pull I mean they

7726
02:39:43,429 --> 02:39:43,439
can't do. They can't pull I mean they
 

7727
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:45,510
can't do. They can't pull I mean they
don't. Yeah, I get that that they don't

7728
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:45,520
don't. Yeah, I get that that they don't
 

7729
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:47,510
don't. Yeah, I get that that they don't
really, but their main prerogative is

7730
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:47,520
really, but their main prerogative is
 

7731
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:49,349
really, but their main prerogative is
like, do we want to keep somebody on our

7732
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:49,359
like, do we want to keep somebody on our
 

7733
02:39:49,359 --> 02:39:52,230
like, do we want to keep somebody on our
team that's committed a crime? Like

7734
02:39:52,230 --> 02:39:52,240
team that's committed a crime? Like
 

7735
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:53,990
team that's committed a crime? Like
>> I think the racist stuff should be

7736
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:54,000
>> I think the racist stuff should be
 

7737
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,230
>> I think the racist stuff should be
reason enough to not want him working in

7738
02:39:56,230 --> 02:39:56,240
reason enough to not want him working in
 

7739
02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:58,710
reason enough to not want him working in
them in any respect either either. I

7740
02:39:58,710 --> 02:39:58,720
them in any respect either either. I
 

7741
02:39:58,720 --> 02:40:00,790
them in any respect either either. I
don't think that that's justifiable.

7742
02:40:00,790 --> 02:40:00,800
don't think that that's justifiable.
 

7743
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:03,910
don't think that that's justifiable.
>> I don't think any of them justifiable,

7744
02:40:03,910 --> 02:40:03,920
>> I don't think any of them justifiable,
 

7745
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:04,950
>> I don't think any of them justifiable,
>> right? Well, I get that

7746
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:04,960
>> right? Well, I get that
 

7747
02:40:04,960 --> 02:40:06,389
>> right? Well, I get that
>> it is a company and that's their choice.

7748
02:40:06,389 --> 02:40:06,399
>> it is a company and that's their choice.
 

7749
02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:07,670
>> it is a company and that's their choice.
But I want people to understand what

7750
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:07,680
But I want people to understand what
 

7751
02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:10,070
But I want people to understand what
they've done and like not work with them

7752
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:10,080
they've done and like not work with them
 

7753
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:11,750
they've done and like not work with them
either if they're going to choose that.

7754
02:40:11,750 --> 02:40:11,760
either if they're going to choose that.
 

7755
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:13,590
either if they're going to choose that.
I don't think that racism should be

7756
02:40:13,590 --> 02:40:13,600
I don't think that racism should be
 

7757
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:14,870
I don't think that racism should be
excused.

7758
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:14,880
excused.
 

7759
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:17,270
excused.
>> I don't think even if it's not even if I

7760
02:40:17,270 --> 02:40:17,280
>> I don't think even if it's not even if I
 

7761
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:20,550
>> I don't think even if it's not even if I
were to compare everything and say that

7762
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:20,560
were to compare everything and say that
 

7763
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:24,150
were to compare everything and say that
this is the lesser battle, it's still

7764
02:40:24,150 --> 02:40:24,160
this is the lesser battle, it's still
 

7765
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:25,830
this is the lesser battle, it's still
enough that they should have dropped

7766
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:25,840
enough that they should have dropped
 

7767
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:29,990
enough that they should have dropped
him. I I and I I think that is something

7768
02:40:29,990 --> 02:40:30,000
him. I I and I I think that is something
 

7769
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:34,070
him. I I and I I think that is something
that I cannot concede on

7770
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:34,080
that I cannot concede on
 

7771
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:35,910
that I cannot concede on
because it's it would be immoral for me

7772
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:35,920
because it's it would be immoral for me
 

7773
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:36,469
because it's it would be immoral for me
to

7774
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:36,479
to
 

7775
02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:39,510
to
>> That's fair enough. I I I I think that

7776
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:39,520
>> That's fair enough. I I I I think that
 

7777
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:42,150
>> That's fair enough. I I I I think that
the reason that they don't touch that is

7778
02:40:42,150 --> 02:40:42,160
the reason that they don't touch that is
 

7779
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:44,710
the reason that they don't touch that is
because it is so black and white what

7780
02:40:44,710 --> 02:40:44,720
because it is so black and white what
 

7781
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:45,990
because it is so black and white what
happened

7782
02:40:45,990 --> 02:40:46,000
happened
 

7783
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:48,309
happened
>> that they can't defend it.

7784
02:40:48,309 --> 02:40:48,319
>> that they can't defend it.
 

7785
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:50,550
>> that they can't defend it.
>> And even with Copen when I was when I

7786
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:50,560
>> And even with Copen when I was when I
 

7787
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:52,710
>> And even with Copen when I was when I
was talking about

7788
02:40:52,710 --> 02:40:52,720
was talking about
 

7789
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:55,990
was talking about
um on uh Twitter and Blue Sky the other

7790
02:40:55,990 --> 02:40:56,000
um on uh Twitter and Blue Sky the other
 

7791
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:58,710
um on uh Twitter and Blue Sky the other
day about how people still try to ignore

7792
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:58,720
day about how people still try to ignore
 

7793
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:01,750
day about how people still try to ignore
the racist stuff and try to dismiss it.

7794
02:41:01,750 --> 02:41:01,760
the racist stuff and try to dismiss it.
 

7795
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:05,190
the racist stuff and try to dismiss it.
He intentionally only screenshotted the

7796
02:41:05,190 --> 02:41:05,200
He intentionally only screenshotted the
 

7797
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:07,670
He intentionally only screenshotted the
part where I explain why I'm bringing

7798
02:41:07,670 --> 02:41:07,680
part where I explain why I'm bringing
 

7799
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,349
part where I explain why I'm bringing
that up and then laughed about it. He

7800
02:41:09,349 --> 02:41:09,359
that up and then laughed about it. He
 

7801
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:11,270
that up and then laughed about it. He
doesn't He didn't screenshot the parts

7802
02:41:11,270 --> 02:41:11,280
doesn't He didn't screenshot the parts
 

7803
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:13,510
doesn't He didn't screenshot the parts
where I talk about what racist stuff

7804
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:13,520
where I talk about what racist stuff
 

7805
02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:16,309
where I talk about what racist stuff
Griffin did. He doesn't go into that. He

7806
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:16,319
Griffin did. He doesn't go into that. He
 

7807
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:17,910
Griffin did. He doesn't go into that. He
just says it's crazy for me to be

7808
02:41:17,910 --> 02:41:17,920
just says it's crazy for me to be
 

7809
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:19,270
just says it's crazy for me to be
talking about this.

7810
02:41:19,270 --> 02:41:19,280
talking about this.
 

7811
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:20,469
talking about this.
>> Mhm.

7812
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:20,479
>> Mhm.
 

7813
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:22,790
>> Mhm.
>> They That's what happens with all these

7814
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:22,800
>> They That's what happens with all these
 

7815
02:41:22,800 --> 02:41:23,670
>> They That's what happens with all these
people,

7816
02:41:23,670 --> 02:41:23,680
people,
 

7817
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:26,070
people,
>> right? They can't talk about it because

7818
02:41:26,070 --> 02:41:26,080
>> right? They can't talk about it because
 

7819
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:30,150
>> right? They can't talk about it because
if they do not condemn it,

7820
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:30,160
if they do not condemn it,
 

7821
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:31,990
if they do not condemn it,
it looks bad.

7822
02:41:31,990 --> 02:41:32,000
it looks bad.
 

7823
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:33,830
it looks bad.
>> Mhm.

7824
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:33,840
>> Mhm.
 

7825
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:36,150
>> Mhm.
>> And if they do condemn it, then it's not

7826
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:36,160
>> And if they do condemn it, then it's not
 

7827
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:38,230
>> And if they do condemn it, then it's not
only getting the word out that he did do

7828
02:41:38,230 --> 02:41:38,240
only getting the word out that he did do
 

7829
02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:43,670
only getting the word out that he did do
all that, but it is also still like

7830
02:41:43,670 --> 02:41:43,680
all that, but it is also still like
 

7831
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:46,790
all that, but it is also still like
being tolerant of it because he did all

7832
02:41:46,790 --> 02:41:46,800
being tolerant of it because he did all
 

7833
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:48,790
being tolerant of it because he did all
that, but we're we're not really focused

7834
02:41:48,790 --> 02:41:48,800
that, but we're we're not really focused
 

7835
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:51,110
that, but we're we're not really focused
on that. So, we're not going to it

7836
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:51,120
on that. So, we're not going to it
 

7837
02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:52,550
on that. So, we're not going to it
doesn't matter to us.

7838
02:41:52,550 --> 02:41:52,560
doesn't matter to us.
 

7839
02:41:52,560 --> 02:41:55,429
doesn't matter to us.
>> Sure. Um,

7840
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:55,439
>> Sure. Um,
 

7841
02:41:55,439 --> 02:41:58,389
>> Sure. Um,
I think if all of the pedophile stuff

7842
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:58,399
I think if all of the pedophile stuff
 

7843
02:41:58,399 --> 02:42:00,630
I think if all of the pedophile stuff
did not happen,

7844
02:42:00,630 --> 02:42:00,640
did not happen,
 

7845
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:03,190
did not happen,
if all of if everything that's accused

7846
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:03,200
if all of if everything that's accused
 

7847
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:05,429
if all of if everything that's accused
of him and everything that's proven that

7848
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:05,439
of him and everything that's proven that
 

7849
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:08,389
of him and everything that's proven that
he did also did not happen and all that

7850
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:08,399
he did also did not happen and all that
 

7851
02:42:08,399 --> 02:42:11,030
he did also did not happen and all that
was left is the racist stuff, people

7852
02:42:11,030 --> 02:42:11,040
was left is the racist stuff, people
 

7853
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:13,990
was left is the racist stuff, people
should still drop him.

7854
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:14,000
should still drop him.
 

7855
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:15,750
should still drop him.
>> Is that like ultimately your goal with

7856
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:15,760
>> Is that like ultimately your goal with
 

7857
02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:17,110
>> Is that like ultimately your goal with
this is to have him dropped from

7858
02:42:17,110 --> 02:42:17,120
this is to have him dropped from
 

7859
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:20,070
this is to have him dropped from
everything?

7860
02:42:20,070 --> 02:42:20,080
everything?
 

7861
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:24,630
everything?
My goal is not about him. It's about

7862
02:42:24,630 --> 02:42:24,640
My goal is not about him. It's about
 

7863
02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:28,630
My goal is not about him. It's about
people not being able to do that. Being

7864
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:28,640
people not being able to do that. Being
 

7865
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:33,830
people not being able to do that. Being
able to be so harmful, to harm children,

7866
02:42:33,830 --> 02:42:33,840
able to be so harmful, to harm children,
 

7867
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:37,270
able to be so harmful, to harm children,
to be racist openly, and then chill with

7868
02:42:37,270 --> 02:42:37,280
to be racist openly, and then chill with
 

7869
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:40,230
to be racist openly, and then chill with
everyone like nothing happened. I I

7870
02:42:40,230 --> 02:42:40,240
everyone like nothing happened. I I
 

7871
02:42:40,240 --> 02:42:44,309
everyone like nothing happened. I I
think that allowing all of that makes it

7872
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:44,319
think that allowing all of that makes it
 

7873
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:48,790
think that allowing all of that makes it
worse in general as a as a society,

7874
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:48,800
worse in general as a as a society,
 

7875
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:49,190
worse in general as a as a society,
>> right?

7876
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:49,200
>> right?
 

7877
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:52,150
>> right?
>> Um you know, I use the word I know

7878
02:42:52,150 --> 02:42:52,160
>> Um you know, I use the word I know
 

7879
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:56,550
>> Um you know, I use the word I know
people will meme it, but um

7880
02:42:56,550 --> 02:42:56,560
people will meme it, but um
 

7881
02:42:56,560 --> 02:43:01,590
people will meme it, but um
it love and tolerate. People put up with

7882
02:43:01,590 --> 02:43:01,600
it love and tolerate. People put up with
 

7883
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:04,790
it love and tolerate. People put up with
something enough, it becomes normalized.

7884
02:43:04,790 --> 02:43:04,800
something enough, it becomes normalized.
 

7885
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:08,790
something enough, it becomes normalized.
And then you have a pony fandom that has

7886
02:43:08,790 --> 02:43:08,800
And then you have a pony fandom that has
 

7887
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:11,510
And then you have a pony fandom that has
a huge section of Nazis.

7888
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:11,520
a huge section of Nazis.
 

7889
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:12,150
a huge section of Nazis.
>> Mhm.

7890
02:43:12,150 --> 02:43:12,160
>> Mhm.
 

7891
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:13,990
>> Mhm.
>> Um

7892
02:43:13,990 --> 02:43:14,000
>> Um
 

7893
02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:17,270
>> Um
I don't think these racist posts are

7894
02:43:17,270 --> 02:43:17,280
I don't think these racist posts are
 

7895
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:20,630
I don't think these racist posts are
okay in any regard. Uh he never

7896
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:20,640
okay in any regard. Uh he never
 

7897
02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:23,190
okay in any regard. Uh he never
apologizes for them. The most he does is

7898
02:43:23,190 --> 02:43:23,200
apologizes for them. The most he does is
 

7899
02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:25,670
apologizes for them. The most he does is
apologize that people took it the wrong

7900
02:43:25,670 --> 02:43:25,680
apologize that people took it the wrong
 

7901
02:43:25,680 --> 02:43:26,870
apologize that people took it the wrong
way. Mhm.

7902
02:43:26,870 --> 02:43:26,880
way. Mhm.
 

7903
02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:30,950
way. Mhm.
>> Um, he doesn't talk about the the things

7904
02:43:30,950 --> 02:43:30,960
>> Um, he doesn't talk about the the things
 

7905
02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:34,150
>> Um, he doesn't talk about the the things
he's liked that are

7906
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:34,160
he's liked that are
 

7907
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:35,990
he's liked that are
hor horrendously racist and transphobic.

7908
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:36,000
hor horrendously racist and transphobic.
 

7909
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:38,150
hor horrendously racist and transphobic.
He doesn't talk about the videos where

7910
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:38,160
He doesn't talk about the videos where
 

7911
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:41,510
He doesn't talk about the videos where
he does a whole like black costume and

7912
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:41,520
he does a whole like black costume and
 

7913
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:44,150
he does a whole like black costume and
impression and gets a minor to do it

7914
02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:44,160
impression and gets a minor to do it
 

7915
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:48,150
impression and gets a minor to do it
with him on two separate occasions. Uh,

7916
02:43:48,150 --> 02:43:48,160
with him on two separate occasions. Uh,
 

7917
02:43:48,160 --> 02:43:50,790
with him on two separate occasions. Uh,
he because he can't

7918
02:43:50,790 --> 02:43:50,800
he because he can't
 

7919
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:52,469
he because he can't
and none of his defenders can talk about

7920
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:52,479
and none of his defenders can talk about
 

7921
02:43:52,479 --> 02:43:56,469
and none of his defenders can talk about
it either. I think it's very telling.

7922
02:43:56,469 --> 02:43:56,479
it either. I think it's very telling.
 

7923
02:43:56,479 --> 02:43:58,150
it either. I think it's very telling.
Um,

7924
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:58,160
Um,
 

7925
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:01,510
Um,
and I I I don't want it to overshadow

7926
02:44:01,510 --> 02:44:01,520
and I I I don't want it to overshadow
 

7927
02:44:01,520 --> 02:44:04,710
and I I I don't want it to overshadow
the other accusations, the grooming, uh,

7928
02:44:04,710 --> 02:44:04,720
the other accusations, the grooming, uh,
 

7929
02:44:04,720 --> 02:44:09,190
the other accusations, the grooming, uh,
the the sending pictures, the the

7930
02:44:09,190 --> 02:44:09,200
the the sending pictures, the the
 

7931
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:12,790
the the sending pictures, the the
being with this child all the way until

7932
02:44:12,790 --> 02:44:12,800
being with this child all the way until
 

7933
02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:15,269
being with this child all the way until
she's an adult and then marrying her. I

7934
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:15,279
she's an adult and then marrying her. I
 

7935
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:17,349
she's an adult and then marrying her. I
don't want it to overshadow that, but I

7936
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:17,359
don't want it to overshadow that, but I
 

7937
02:44:17,359 --> 02:44:19,750
don't want it to overshadow that, but I
think it's a very strong argument

7938
02:44:19,750 --> 02:44:19,760
think it's a very strong argument
 

7939
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:22,230
think it's a very strong argument
because of how they refuse to even go

7940
02:44:22,230 --> 02:44:22,240
because of how they refuse to even go
 

7941
02:44:22,240 --> 02:44:25,990
because of how they refuse to even go
near it.

7942
02:44:25,990 --> 02:44:26,000

 

7943
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:28,469

>> All right. Well, I I guess I suppose I I

7944
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:28,479
>> All right. Well, I I guess I suppose I I
 

7945
02:44:28,479 --> 02:44:30,950
>> All right. Well, I I guess I suppose I I
can see that to from your perspective is

7946
02:44:30,950 --> 02:44:30,960
can see that to from your perspective is
 

7947
02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:32,790
can see that to from your perspective is
like looking at the picture as a whole

7948
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:32,800
like looking at the picture as a whole
 

7949
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:34,870
like looking at the picture as a whole
rather than just like, you know, just

7950
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:34,880
rather than just like, you know, just
 

7951
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:36,469
rather than just like, you know, just
being dismissive of some things because

7952
02:44:36,469 --> 02:44:36,479
being dismissive of some things because
 

7953
02:44:36,479 --> 02:44:39,030
being dismissive of some things because
it's not as bad, I suppose.

7954
02:44:39,030 --> 02:44:39,040
it's not as bad, I suppose.
 

7955
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:39,670
it's not as bad, I suppose.
Um,

7956
02:44:39,670 --> 02:44:39,680
Um,
 

7957
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:40,469
Um,
>> yeah.

7958
02:44:40,469 --> 02:44:40,479
>> yeah.
 

7959
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:41,030
>> yeah.
>> But

7960
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:41,040
>> But
 

7961
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:42,630
>> But
>> I I think it doesn't I don't I don't

7962
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:42,640
>> I I think it doesn't I don't I don't
 

7963
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:45,269
>> I I think it doesn't I don't I don't
think it should be considered not as

7964
02:44:45,269 --> 02:44:45,279
think it should be considered not as
 

7965
02:44:45,279 --> 02:44:47,269
think it should be considered not as
bad. I don't think I want to consider it

7966
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:47,279
bad. I don't think I want to consider it
 

7967
02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:48,950
bad. I don't think I want to consider it
worse or better.

7968
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:48,960
worse or better.
 

7969
02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:49,349
worse or better.
>> Mhm.

7970
02:44:49,349 --> 02:44:49,359
>> Mhm.
 

7971
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:50,950
>> Mhm.
>> I don't think it matters. I think it

7972
02:44:50,950 --> 02:44:50,960
>> I don't think it matters. I think it
 

7973
02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:52,389
>> I don't think it matters. I think it
just shouldn't have happened. And the

7974
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:52,399
just shouldn't have happened. And the
 

7975
02:44:52,399 --> 02:44:56,630
just shouldn't have happened. And the
fact that he refuses to uh apologize or

7976
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:56,640
fact that he refuses to uh apologize or
 

7977
02:44:56,640 --> 02:45:00,630
fact that he refuses to uh apologize or
retract any of that is enough. I I don't

7978
02:45:00,630 --> 02:45:00,640
retract any of that is enough. I I don't
 

7979
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:02,389
retract any of that is enough. I I don't
think he should be forgiven simply

7980
02:45:02,389 --> 02:45:02,399
think he should be forgiven simply
 

7981
02:45:02,399 --> 02:45:04,150
think he should be forgiven simply
because time passed. I think he should

7982
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:04,160
because time passed. I think he should
 

7983
02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:06,710
because time passed. I think he should
only if if he were to be regretful of

7984
02:45:06,710 --> 02:45:06,720
only if if he were to be regretful of
 

7985
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:11,429
only if if he were to be regretful of
that and would want to be seen as not

7986
02:45:11,429 --> 02:45:11,439
that and would want to be seen as not
 

7987
02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:13,750
that and would want to be seen as not
thinking like that still, then it's up

7988
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:13,760
thinking like that still, then it's up
 

7989
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:16,950
thinking like that still, then it's up
to him to change that. It's not up to me

7990
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:16,960
to him to change that. It's not up to me
 

7991
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:18,389
to him to change that. It's not up to me
to hide that,

7992
02:45:18,389 --> 02:45:18,399
to hide that,
 

7993
02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:21,910
to hide that,
>> right?

7994
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:21,920

 

7995
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:24,469

All right. Well, I'm I'm just curious

7996
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:24,479
All right. Well, I'm I'm just curious
 

7997
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:26,070
All right. Well, I'm I'm just curious
cuz I'm trying to figure out like what

7998
02:45:26,070 --> 02:45:26,080
cuz I'm trying to figure out like what
 

7999
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:27,750
cuz I'm trying to figure out like what
future goals you have with the Brony

8000
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:27,760
future goals you have with the Brony
 

8001
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:29,110
future goals you have with the Brony
Fandone account. Like I'm just trying to

8002
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:29,120
Fandone account. Like I'm just trying to
 

8003
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:31,750
Fandone account. Like I'm just trying to
figure out what your motive is. Like I I

8004
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:31,760
figure out what your motive is. Like I I
 

8005
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,830
figure out what your motive is. Like I I
mean I can accept that you are working

8006
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:33,840
mean I can accept that you are working
 

8007
02:45:33,840 --> 02:45:35,750
mean I can accept that you are working
off-handed on this just kind of on your

8008
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:35,760
off-handed on this just kind of on your
 

8009
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:37,910
off-handed on this just kind of on your
own, especially since Sophie's no longer

8010
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:37,920
own, especially since Sophie's no longer
 

8011
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:40,630
own, especially since Sophie's no longer
running the account for reasons. Um but

8012
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:40,640
running the account for reasons. Um but
 

8013
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:42,630
running the account for reasons. Um but
I just I mean what do you want happening

8014
02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:42,640
I just I mean what do you want happening
 

8015
02:45:42,640 --> 02:45:44,309
I just I mean what do you want happening
to Saber Spark and Gabriel? Like what

8016
02:45:44,309 --> 02:45:44,319
to Saber Spark and Gabriel? Like what
 

8017
02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:47,349
to Saber Spark and Gabriel? Like what
what's the goal there?

8018
02:45:47,349 --> 02:45:47,359
what's the goal there?
 

8019
02:45:47,359 --> 02:45:48,870
what's the goal there?
>> I think that they've used their

8020
02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:48,880
>> I think that they've used their
 

8021
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:51,110
>> I think that they've used their
platforms to harm people

8022
02:45:51,110 --> 02:45:51,120
platforms to harm people
 

8023
02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:53,990
platforms to harm people
>> and I don't think they can be trusted to

8024
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:54,000
>> and I don't think they can be trusted to
 

8025
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:56,150
>> and I don't think they can be trusted to
have platforms because they could harm

8026
02:45:56,150 --> 02:45:56,160
have platforms because they could harm
 

8027
02:45:56,160 --> 02:45:57,510
have platforms because they could harm
more people.

8028
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:57,520
more people.
 

8029
02:45:57,520 --> 02:46:00,469
more people.
>> Okay. I think that also

8030
02:46:00,469 --> 02:46:00,479
>> Okay. I think that also
 

8031
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:03,429
>> Okay. I think that also
them not receiving consequences

8032
02:46:03,429 --> 02:46:03,439
them not receiving consequences
 

8033
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:05,910
them not receiving consequences
causes other people to be able to get

8034
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:05,920
causes other people to be able to get
 

8035
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:07,750
causes other people to be able to get
away with the same things,

8036
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:07,760
away with the same things,
 

8037
02:46:07,760 --> 02:46:08,469
away with the same things,
>> right?

8038
02:46:08,469 --> 02:46:08,479
>> right?
 

8039
02:46:08,479 --> 02:46:12,710
>> right?
>> I think that it has to be

8040
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:12,720
>> I think that it has to be
 

8041
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:16,230
>> I think that it has to be
there. There can't be people that are

8042
02:46:16,230 --> 02:46:16,240
there. There can't be people that are
 

8043
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:19,269
there. There can't be people that are
just allowed to do horrible things and

8044
02:46:19,269 --> 02:46:19,279
just allowed to do horrible things and
 

8045
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:21,510
just allowed to do horrible things and
and then keep going like nothing

8046
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:21,520
and then keep going like nothing
 

8047
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:22,389
and then keep going like nothing
happened,

8048
02:46:22,389 --> 02:46:22,399
happened,
 

8049
02:46:22,399 --> 02:46:23,030
happened,
>> right?

8050
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:23,040
>> right?
 

8051
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:25,830
>> right?
>> Obviously, there are extents to all of

8052
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:25,840
>> Obviously, there are extents to all of
 

8053
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:28,469
>> Obviously, there are extents to all of
that. like I don't know if someone came

8054
02:46:28,469 --> 02:46:28,479
that. like I don't know if someone came
 

8055
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:31,030
that. like I don't know if someone came
back after 30 years after something that

8056
02:46:31,030 --> 02:46:31,040
back after 30 years after something that
 

8057
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:36,950
back after 30 years after something that
wasn't like you know child abuse. Um

8058
02:46:36,950 --> 02:46:36,960
wasn't like you know child abuse. Um
 

8059
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:40,150
wasn't like you know child abuse. Um
I I'm that's a let me retry that. Um

8060
02:46:40,150 --> 02:46:40,160
I I'm that's a let me retry that. Um
 

8061
02:46:40,160 --> 02:46:42,389
I I'm that's a let me retry that. Um
>> like let's say let's say for example the

8062
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:42,399
>> like let's say let's say for example the
 

8063
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:43,750
>> like let's say let's say for example the
only thing that was against Black

8064
02:46:43,750 --> 02:46:43,760
only thing that was against Black
 

8065
02:46:43,760 --> 02:46:45,990
only thing that was against Black
Griffin was just the racism and it's

8066
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:46,000
Griffin was just the racism and it's
 

8067
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:47,910
Griffin was just the racism and it's
like 10 years down the road and he's

8068
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:47,920
like 10 years down the road and he's
 

8069
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:50,150
like 10 years down the road and he's
like visibly like changed as a person

8070
02:46:50,150 --> 02:46:50,160
like visibly like changed as a person
 

8071
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:52,710
like visibly like changed as a person
that might be a little different. if if

8072
02:46:52,710 --> 02:46:52,720
that might be a little different. if if
 

8073
02:46:52,720 --> 02:46:55,990
that might be a little different. if if
if that was the only thing and then he

8074
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:56,000
if that was the only thing and then he
 

8075
02:46:56,000 --> 02:46:58,070
if that was the only thing and then he
later down the line was like, "Hey, I'm

8076
02:46:58,070 --> 02:46:58,080
later down the line was like, "Hey, I'm
 

8077
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:01,750
later down the line was like, "Hey, I'm
sorry for all that. Um, I understand if

8078
02:47:01,750 --> 02:47:01,760
sorry for all that. Um, I understand if
 

8079
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:03,910
sorry for all that. Um, I understand if
you don't want to support me still, but

8080
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:03,920
you don't want to support me still, but
 

8081
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:06,070
you don't want to support me still, but
like I'm going to keep doing my thing

8082
02:47:06,070 --> 02:47:06,080
like I'm going to keep doing my thing
 

8083
02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:09,670
like I'm going to keep doing my thing
and I genuinely want to prove that that

8084
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:09,680
and I genuinely want to prove that that
 

8085
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:13,190
and I genuinely want to prove that that
is not me and and if he means it,

8086
02:47:13,190 --> 02:47:13,200
is not me and and if he means it,
 

8087
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:15,190
is not me and and if he means it,
>> then yeah, like that that's much that's

8088
02:47:15,190 --> 02:47:15,200
>> then yeah, like that that's much that's
 

8089
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:17,910
>> then yeah, like that that's much that's
very different." And um

8090
02:47:17,910 --> 02:47:17,920
very different." And um
 

8091
02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:21,349
very different." And um
I I I I was I was using this example uh

8092
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:21,359
I I I I was I was using this example uh
 

8093
02:47:21,359 --> 02:47:22,870
I I I I was I was using this example uh
up until recently because I think

8094
02:47:22,870 --> 02:47:22,880
up until recently because I think
 

8095
02:47:22,880 --> 02:47:25,830
up until recently because I think
something happened, but uh I know that

8096
02:47:25,830 --> 02:47:25,840
something happened, but uh I know that
 

8097
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:28,150
something happened, but uh I know that
Idubbbz is a YouTuber. I never watched

8098
02:47:28,150 --> 02:47:28,160
Idubbbz is a YouTuber. I never watched
 

8099
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:31,269
Idubbbz is a YouTuber. I never watched
him personally, but he had a long

8100
02:47:31,269 --> 02:47:31,279
him personally, but he had a long
 

8101
02:47:31,279 --> 02:47:33,510
him personally, but he had a long
controversial past and then there was a

8102
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:33,520
controversial past and then there was a
 

8103
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:35,349
controversial past and then there was a
gap and he came back and then he was

8104
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:35,359
gap and he came back and then he was
 

8105
02:47:35,359 --> 02:47:36,790
gap and he came back and then he was
making videos and then a little bit

8106
02:47:36,790 --> 02:47:36,800
making videos and then a little bit
 

8107
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:39,269
making videos and then a little bit
after that he made this huge apology

8108
02:47:39,269 --> 02:47:39,279
after that he made this huge apology
 

8109
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:40,790
after that he made this huge apology
video where he apologized for a lot of

8110
02:47:40,790 --> 02:47:40,800
video where he apologized for a lot of
 

8111
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:43,110
video where he apologized for a lot of
the things he did in the past. um the

8112
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:43,120
the things he did in the past. um the
 

8113
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:46,230
the things he did in the past. um the
transphobia, racism, and he really went

8114
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:46,240
transphobia, racism, and he really went
 

8115
02:47:46,240 --> 02:47:48,230
transphobia, racism, and he really went
in depth on how he understood that that

8116
02:47:48,230 --> 02:47:48,240
in depth on how he understood that that
 

8117
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:49,750
in depth on how he understood that that
would never should have happened.

8118
02:47:49,750 --> 02:47:49,760
would never should have happened.
 

8119
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:50,070
would never should have happened.
>> Yeah.

8120
02:47:50,070 --> 02:47:50,080
>> Yeah.
 

8121
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:53,190
>> Yeah.
>> Um and because he did it without like it

8122
02:47:53,190 --> 02:47:53,200
>> Um and because he did it without like it
 

8123
02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:55,269
>> Um and because he did it without like it
being a reaction to someone calling him

8124
02:47:55,269 --> 02:47:55,279
being a reaction to someone calling him
 

8125
02:47:55,279 --> 02:47:57,429
being a reaction to someone calling him
out and because he was so in-depth with

8126
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:57,439
out and because he was so in-depth with
 

8127
02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,429
out and because he was so in-depth with
it, I felt it was a very genuine and

8128
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:59,439
it, I felt it was a very genuine and
 

8129
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:02,309
it, I felt it was a very genuine and
good response that made me believe,

8130
02:48:02,309 --> 02:48:02,319
good response that made me believe,
 

8131
02:48:02,319 --> 02:48:04,950
good response that made me believe,
okay, that's great. I I was never like a

8132
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:04,960
okay, that's great. I I was never like a
 

8133
02:48:04,960 --> 02:48:06,630
okay, that's great. I I was never like a
subscriber to him in the first place, so

8134
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:06,640
subscriber to him in the first place, so
 

8135
02:48:06,640 --> 02:48:08,469
subscriber to him in the first place, so
I wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm going to

8136
02:48:08,469 --> 02:48:08,479
I wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm going to
 

8137
02:48:08,479 --> 02:48:10,950
I wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm going to
watch you now. But I I appreciated it.

8138
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:10,960
watch you now. But I I appreciated it.
 

8139
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:12,309
watch you now. But I I appreciated it.
But I think something happened recently

8140
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:12,319
But I think something happened recently
 

8141
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:13,670
But I think something happened recently
or there something came out. So, I don't

8142
02:48:13,670 --> 02:48:13,680
or there something came out. So, I don't
 

8143
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:15,910
or there something came out. So, I don't
know. I'm just saying that that is a

8144
02:48:15,910 --> 02:48:15,920
know. I'm just saying that that is a
 

8145
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:19,349
know. I'm just saying that that is a
context where I wouldn't be going around

8146
02:48:19,349 --> 02:48:19,359
context where I wouldn't be going around
 

8147
02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:21,670
context where I wouldn't be going around
talking about how like I I would never

8148
02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:21,680
talking about how like I I would never
 

8149
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:25,269
talking about how like I I would never
watch Idubbbz um because

8150
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:25,279
watch Idubbbz um because
 

8151
02:48:25,279 --> 02:48:29,830
watch Idubbbz um because
like he made that good video um and made

8152
02:48:29,830 --> 02:48:29,840
like he made that good video um and made
 

8153
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:33,110
like he made that good video um and made
a good analysis of what he did that

8154
02:48:33,110 --> 02:48:33,120
a good analysis of what he did that
 

8155
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:35,830
a good analysis of what he did that
seems to be him actually having

8156
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:35,840
seems to be him actually having
 

8157
02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:37,429
seems to be him actually having
reflected and changed,

8158
02:48:37,429 --> 02:48:37,439
reflected and changed,
 

8159
02:48:37,439 --> 02:48:37,910
reflected and changed,
>> right?

8160
02:48:37,910 --> 02:48:37,920
>> right?
 

8161
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:39,510
>> right?
>> Um

8162
02:48:39,510 --> 02:48:39,520
>> Um
 

8163
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:41,590
>> Um
and if

8164
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:41,600
and if
 

8165
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:44,630
and if
And that's the thing, like he did racist

8166
02:48:44,630 --> 02:48:44,640
And that's the thing, like he did racist
 

8167
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:47,510
And that's the thing, like he did racist
stuff that harm people,

8168
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:47,520
stuff that harm people,
 

8169
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:50,309
stuff that harm people,
>> but he wanted to make amends. And after

8170
02:48:50,309 --> 02:48:50,319
>> but he wanted to make amends. And after
 

8171
02:48:50,319 --> 02:48:55,670
>> but he wanted to make amends. And after
that point, if people don't accept that,

8172
02:48:55,670 --> 02:48:55,680
that point, if people don't accept that,
 

8173
02:48:55,680 --> 02:48:57,510
that point, if people don't accept that,
you have to be okay with that because

8174
02:48:57,510 --> 02:48:57,520
you have to be okay with that because
 

8175
02:48:57,520 --> 02:48:59,990
you have to be okay with that because
you did those horrible things. Those are

8176
02:48:59,990 --> 02:49:00,000
you did those horrible things. Those are
 

8177
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:02,309
you did those horrible things. Those are
really bad things.

8178
02:49:02,309 --> 02:49:02,319
really bad things.
 

8179
02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:05,110
really bad things.
>> You You don't really get to be forgiven

8180
02:49:05,110 --> 02:49:05,120
>> You You don't really get to be forgiven
 

8181
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:07,349
>> You You don't really get to be forgiven
just because you want to be. You have to

8182
02:49:07,349 --> 02:49:07,359
just because you want to be. You have to
 

8183
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:08,950
just because you want to be. You have to
understand that the things you did have

8184
02:49:08,950 --> 02:49:08,960
understand that the things you did have
 

8185
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:13,990
understand that the things you did have
impacts that are greater than that. Um,

8186
02:49:13,990 --> 02:49:14,000
impacts that are greater than that. Um,
 

8187
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:16,710
impacts that are greater than that. Um,
and so if if Griffin only did all the

8188
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:16,720
and so if if Griffin only did all the
 

8189
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:19,750
and so if if Griffin only did all the
racism stuff and then what seemed

8190
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:19,760
racism stuff and then what seemed
 

8191
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:22,790
racism stuff and then what seemed
genuinely remorseful, that would be a a

8192
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:22,800
genuinely remorseful, that would be a a
 

8193
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:26,070
genuinely remorseful, that would be a a
different situation. But then you got to

8194
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:26,080
different situation. But then you got to
 

8195
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:29,590
different situation. But then you got to
add all of the predatory stuff

8196
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:29,600
add all of the predatory stuff
 

8197
02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:32,630
add all of the predatory stuff
um and all the times he lied about the

8198
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:32,640
um and all the times he lied about the
 

8199
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:34,230
um and all the times he lied about the
predatory stuff,

8200
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:34,240
predatory stuff,
 

8201
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:37,830
predatory stuff,
>> right? Uh like no matter what you

8202
02:49:37,830 --> 02:49:37,840
>> right? Uh like no matter what you
 

8203
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:41,190
>> right? Uh like no matter what you
believe when it comes to Claire or even

8204
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:41,200
believe when it comes to Claire or even
 

8205
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:42,870
believe when it comes to Claire or even
Destiny,

8206
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:42,880
Destiny,
 

8207
02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:45,590
Destiny,
um there are a lot of things that aren't

8208
02:49:45,590 --> 02:49:45,600
um there are a lot of things that aren't
 

8209
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:48,070
um there are a lot of things that aren't
excusable that is he's proven to have

8210
02:49:48,070 --> 02:49:48,080
excusable that is he's proven to have
 

8211
02:49:48,080 --> 02:49:50,950
excusable that is he's proven to have
done and a lot of times he's blatantly

8212
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:50,960
done and a lot of times he's blatantly
 

8213
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:52,790
done and a lot of times he's blatantly
said something that wasn't true about

8214
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:52,800
said something that wasn't true about
 

8215
02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:53,910
said something that wasn't true about
all this.

8216
02:49:53,910 --> 02:49:53,920
all this.
 

8217
02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:55,190
all this.
>> Mhm.

8218
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:55,200
>> Mhm.
 

8219
02:49:55,200 --> 02:50:00,150
>> Mhm.
>> And I I think saying he's innocent

8220
02:50:00,150 --> 02:50:00,160
>> And I I think saying he's innocent
 

8221
02:50:00,160 --> 02:50:02,630
>> And I I think saying he's innocent
is just lying

8222
02:50:02,630 --> 02:50:02,640
is just lying
 

8223
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:07,030
is just lying
>> at this point. He has done things in

8224
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:07,040
>> at this point. He has done things in
 

8225
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:10,070
>> at this point. He has done things in
response to being called out that make

8226
02:50:10,070 --> 02:50:10,080
response to being called out that make
 

8227
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:12,790
response to being called out that make
him guilty if not for everything for

8228
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:12,800
him guilty if not for everything for
 

8229
02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:13,750
him guilty if not for everything for
some things.

8230
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:13,760
some things.
 

8231
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:15,590
some things.
>> Well, I suppose that like most people

8232
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:15,600
>> Well, I suppose that like most people
 

8233
02:50:15,600 --> 02:50:18,070
>> Well, I suppose that like most people
want to like have something that's not

8234
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:18,080
want to like have something that's not
 

8235
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:20,469
want to like have something that's not
so much of a mix bag, I guess, is the

8236
02:50:20,469 --> 02:50:20,479
so much of a mix bag, I guess, is the
 

8237
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:21,670
so much of a mix bag, I guess, is the
thing where it's just like, well, if

8238
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:21,680
thing where it's just like, well, if
 

8239
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:23,190
thing where it's just like, well, if
these things aren't true, why are they

8240
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:23,200
these things aren't true, why are they
 

8241
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:25,269
these things aren't true, why are they
in here? And if this is true, then it

8242
02:50:25,269 --> 02:50:25,279
in here? And if this is true, then it
 

8243
02:50:25,279 --> 02:50:28,070
in here? And if this is true, then it
should be in here. But these things

8244
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:28,080
should be in here. But these things
 

8245
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:29,670
should be in here. But these things
>> well I don't really present things that

8246
02:50:29,670 --> 02:50:29,680
>> well I don't really present things that
 

8247
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:34,469
>> well I don't really present things that
are like if whenever anything is an

8248
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:34,479
are like if whenever anything is an
 

8249
02:50:34,479 --> 02:50:36,309
are like if whenever anything is an
accusation

8250
02:50:36,309 --> 02:50:36,319
accusation
 

8251
02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:38,710
accusation
>> we the document specifies that

8252
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:38,720
>> we the document specifies that
 

8253
02:50:38,720 --> 02:50:39,190
>> we the document specifies that
>> right

8254
02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:39,200
>> right
 

8255
02:50:39,200 --> 02:50:42,070
>> right
>> sometimes uh I think it needs to be a

8256
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:42,080
>> sometimes uh I think it needs to be a
 

8257
02:50:42,080 --> 02:50:45,429
>> sometimes uh I think it needs to be a
little bit uh less nuanced because

8258
02:50:45,429 --> 02:50:45,439
little bit uh less nuanced because
 

8259
02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:47,110
little bit uh less nuanced because
sometimes it's a little bit more black

8260
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:47,120
sometimes it's a little bit more black
 

8261
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:48,790
sometimes it's a little bit more black
and white I feel

8262
02:50:48,790 --> 02:50:48,800
and white I feel
 

8263
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:52,309
and white I feel
>> uh the situation but

8264
02:50:52,309 --> 02:50:52,319
>> uh the situation but
 

8265
02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:55,110
>> uh the situation but
um there there is a lot in there that

8266
02:50:55,110 --> 02:50:55,120
um there there is a lot in there that
 

8267
02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:59,190
um there there is a lot in there that
isn't just like word of mouth. Most of

8268
02:50:59,190 --> 02:50:59,200
isn't just like word of mouth. Most of
 

8269
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:00,710
isn't just like word of mouth. Most of
it isn't

8270
02:51:00,710 --> 02:51:00,720
it isn't
 

8271
02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:01,190
it isn't
>> right.

8272
02:51:01,190 --> 02:51:01,200
>> right.
 

8273
02:51:01,200 --> 02:51:04,469
>> right.
>> Um but people want to act like it is and

8274
02:51:04,469 --> 02:51:04,479
>> Um but people want to act like it is and
 

8275
02:51:04,479 --> 02:51:06,710
>> Um but people want to act like it is and
I feel that is very

8276
02:51:06,710 --> 02:51:06,720
I feel that is very
 

8277
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:08,150
I feel that is very
>> careless.

8278
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:08,160
>> careless.
 

8279
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:11,110
>> careless.
>> Right.

8280
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:11,120
>> Right.
 

8281
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:13,830
>> Right.
So, is there any critique that you have

8282
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:13,840
So, is there any critique that you have
 

8283
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:16,070
So, is there any critique that you have
gotten at least online that you feel

8284
02:51:16,070 --> 02:51:16,080
gotten at least online that you feel
 

8285
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:18,230
gotten at least online that you feel
that you have at least taken to heart

8286
02:51:18,230 --> 02:51:18,240
that you have at least taken to heart
 

8287
02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:19,670
that you have at least taken to heart
and you see where people are coming

8288
02:51:19,670 --> 02:51:19,680
and you see where people are coming
 

8289
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:21,190
and you see where people are coming
from? Cuz there are a lot of them and I

8290
02:51:21,190 --> 02:51:21,200
from? Cuz there are a lot of them and I
 

8291
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:24,790
from? Cuz there are a lot of them and I
just I I'm not You seem a at least in

8292
02:51:24,790 --> 02:51:24,800
just I I'm not You seem a at least in
 

8293
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:26,630
just I I'm not You seem a at least in
this video a little hyper aware of how

8294
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:26,640
this video a little hyper aware of how
 

8295
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:28,630
this video a little hyper aware of how
people will perceive it. So, obviously,

8296
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:28,640
people will perceive it. So, obviously,
 

8297
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:30,230
people will perceive it. So, obviously,
you must have at least heard some

8298
02:51:30,230 --> 02:51:30,240
you must have at least heard some
 

8299
02:51:30,240 --> 02:51:32,550
you must have at least heard some
critique.

8300
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:32,560
critique.
 

8301
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:36,710
critique.
Even when I do things that I regret, I

8302
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:36,720
Even when I do things that I regret, I
 

8303
02:51:36,720 --> 02:51:39,750
Even when I do things that I regret, I
am aware that

8304
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:39,760
am aware that
 

8305
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:43,670
am aware that
sometimes I get angry because of how

8306
02:51:43,670 --> 02:51:43,680
sometimes I get angry because of how
 

8307
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:46,070
sometimes I get angry because of how
things go. And I feel that anger is

8308
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:46,080
things go. And I feel that anger is
 

8309
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:50,070
things go. And I feel that anger is
justified, but it does lead me to not be

8310
02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:50,080
justified, but it does lead me to not be
 

8311
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:53,990
justified, but it does lead me to not be
as uh precise as I'd like to be.

8312
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:54,000
as uh precise as I'd like to be.
 

8313
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,750
as uh precise as I'd like to be.
>> Um, and people take that as, oh, he's

8314
02:51:57,750 --> 02:51:57,760
>> Um, and people take that as, oh, he's
 

8315
02:51:57,760 --> 02:51:59,750
>> Um, and people take that as, oh, he's
just emotional.

8316
02:51:59,750 --> 02:51:59,760
just emotional.
 

8317
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:02,710
just emotional.
But I I think that that is an unfair

8318
02:52:02,710 --> 02:52:02,720
But I I think that that is an unfair
 

8319
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:05,670
But I I think that that is an unfair
assessment because

8320
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:05,680
assessment because
 

8321
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:08,870
assessment because
emotions isn't inherently a bad thing.

8322
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:08,880
emotions isn't inherently a bad thing.
 

8323
02:52:08,880 --> 02:52:12,389
emotions isn't inherently a bad thing.
And I feel that a lot of this is

8324
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:12,399
And I feel that a lot of this is
 

8325
02:52:12,399 --> 02:52:13,590
And I feel that a lot of this is
upsetting.

8326
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:13,600
upsetting.
 

8327
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:14,070
upsetting.
>> Mhm.

8328
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:14,080
>> Mhm.
 

8329
02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:19,429
>> Mhm.
>> People should be more upset. Um,

8330
02:52:19,429 --> 02:52:19,439

 

8331
02:52:19,439 --> 02:52:24,710

I I recognize that I have a harder time

8332
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:24,720
I I recognize that I have a harder time
 

8333
02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:27,349
I I recognize that I have a harder time
um getting people to see what I'm

8334
02:52:27,349 --> 02:52:27,359
um getting people to see what I'm
 

8335
02:52:27,359 --> 02:52:32,630
um getting people to see what I'm
talking about if I am you using uh uh

8336
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:32,640
talking about if I am you using uh uh
 

8337
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:34,389
talking about if I am you using uh uh
more emotion.

8338
02:52:34,389 --> 02:52:34,399
more emotion.
 

8339
02:52:34,399 --> 02:52:35,030
more emotion.
>> Mhm.

8340
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:35,040
>> Mhm.
 

8341
02:52:35,040 --> 02:52:38,070
>> Mhm.
>> I do feel that that is not the most fair

8342
02:52:38,070 --> 02:52:38,080
>> I do feel that that is not the most fair
 

8343
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:40,230
>> I do feel that that is not the most fair
way to assess

8344
02:52:40,230 --> 02:52:40,240
way to assess
 

8345
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:42,790
way to assess
physical information. However,

8346
02:52:42,790 --> 02:52:42,800
physical information. However,
 

8347
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:45,110
physical information. However,
>> Mhm. Um,

8348
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:45,120
>> Mhm. Um,
 

8349
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:47,429
>> Mhm. Um,
like I said, I do think that I messed up

8350
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:47,439
like I said, I do think that I messed up
 

8351
02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:51,429
like I said, I do think that I messed up
with bringing things up on public on the

8352
02:52:51,429 --> 02:52:51,439
with bringing things up on public on the
 

8353
02:52:51,439 --> 02:52:53,190
with bringing things up on public on the
public timeline that I was not given

8354
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:53,200
public timeline that I was not given
 

8355
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:54,309
public timeline that I was not given
permission to,

8356
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:54,319
permission to,
 

8357
02:52:54,319 --> 02:52:54,630
permission to,
>> right?

8358
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:54,640
>> right?
 

8359
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:57,269
>> right?
>> I should not have done that. You know, I

8360
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:57,279
>> I should not have done that. You know, I
 

8361
02:52:57,279 --> 02:53:01,910
>> I should not have done that. You know, I
was in a I was under a lot of

8362
02:53:01,910 --> 02:53:01,920
was in a I was under a lot of
 

8363
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:03,910
was in a I was under a lot of
I was overwhelmed at the time, but it

8364
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:03,920
I was overwhelmed at the time, but it
 

8365
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:05,429
I was overwhelmed at the time, but it
doesn't excuse me doing that. I

8366
02:53:05,429 --> 02:53:05,439
doesn't excuse me doing that. I
 

8367
02:53:05,439 --> 02:53:09,110
doesn't excuse me doing that. I
shouldn't have done that. Um,

8368
02:53:09,110 --> 02:53:09,120
shouldn't have done that. Um,
 

8369
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:11,429
shouldn't have done that. Um,
but I don't think that I am responsible

8370
02:53:11,429 --> 02:53:11,439
but I don't think that I am responsible
 

8371
02:53:11,439 --> 02:53:15,030
but I don't think that I am responsible
for KP's video. Um, I don't I don't

8372
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:15,040
for KP's video. Um, I don't I don't
 

8373
02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:18,950
for KP's video. Um, I don't I don't
think that I

8374
02:53:18,950 --> 02:53:18,960
think that I
 

8375
02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:22,309
think that I
have slandered anyone. I don't think

8376
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:22,319
have slandered anyone. I don't think
 

8377
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:25,910
have slandered anyone. I don't think
people are right to say that

8378
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:25,920
people are right to say that
 

8379
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:30,150
people are right to say that
I've ruined all chances of people uh

8380
02:53:30,150 --> 02:53:30,160
I've ruined all chances of people uh
 

8381
02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:32,150
I've ruined all chances of people uh
getting justice

8382
02:53:32,150 --> 02:53:32,160
getting justice
 

8383
02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:34,550
getting justice
cuz that that's just such a broad thing

8384
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:34,560
cuz that that's just such a broad thing
 

8385
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:38,230
cuz that that's just such a broad thing
to say. It it it dismisses the victims

8386
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:38,240
to say. It it it dismisses the victims
 

8387
02:53:38,240 --> 02:53:41,510
to say. It it it dismisses the victims
on the person saying that to end.

8388
02:53:41,510 --> 02:53:41,520
on the person saying that to end.
 

8389
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:44,070
on the person saying that to end.
>> They're they're saying that no one

8390
02:53:44,070 --> 02:53:44,080
>> They're they're saying that no one
 

8391
02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:46,630
>> They're they're saying that no one
should trust anything about any of this

8392
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:46,640
should trust anything about any of this
 

8393
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:49,910
should trust anything about any of this
anymore because of you, which is making

8394
02:53:49,910 --> 02:53:49,920
anymore because of you, which is making
 

8395
02:53:49,920 --> 02:53:52,070
anymore because of you, which is making
it's bringing that into the world. It's

8396
02:53:52,070 --> 02:53:52,080
it's bringing that into the world. It's
 

8397
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:55,190
it's bringing that into the world. It's
it's them doing the harm at that point.

8398
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:55,200
it's them doing the harm at that point.
 

8399
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:56,070
it's them doing the harm at that point.
>> Mhm.

8400
02:53:56,070 --> 02:53:56,080
>> Mhm.
 

8401
02:53:56,080 --> 02:53:58,790
>> Mhm.
>> And I wish people would see that more.

8402
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:58,800
>> And I wish people would see that more.
 

8403
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:00,870
>> And I wish people would see that more.
Um

8404
02:54:00,870 --> 02:54:00,880
Um
 

8405
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:02,710
Um
like even if you think that I have not

8406
02:54:02,710 --> 02:54:02,720
like even if you think that I have not
 

8407
02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:04,630
like even if you think that I have not
handled things amazingly,

8408
02:54:04,630 --> 02:54:04,640
handled things amazingly,
 

8409
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:07,030
handled things amazingly,
>> Mhm. It doesn't mean that people should

8410
02:54:07,030 --> 02:54:07,040
>> Mhm. It doesn't mean that people should
 

8411
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:09,190
>> Mhm. It doesn't mean that people should
be disregarded outright,

8412
02:54:09,190 --> 02:54:09,200
be disregarded outright,
 

8413
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:11,030
be disregarded outright,
>> right? And I think that's that's what

8414
02:54:11,030 --> 02:54:11,040
>> right? And I think that's that's what
 

8415
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:12,710
>> right? And I think that's that's what
Entra's video was more getting into and

8416
02:54:12,710 --> 02:54:12,720
Entra's video was more getting into and
 

8417
02:54:12,720 --> 02:54:13,990
Entra's video was more getting into and
why he decided to look into it because

8418
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:14,000
why he decided to look into it because
 

8419
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:16,389
why he decided to look into it because
he's just like to set like it's more

8420
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:16,399
he's just like to set like it's more
 

8421
02:54:16,399 --> 02:54:18,630
he's just like to set like it's more
important that we focus on what is

8422
02:54:18,630 --> 02:54:18,640
important that we focus on what is
 

8423
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:20,070
important that we focus on what is
actually being said instead of who's

8424
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:20,080
actually being said instead of who's
 

8425
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:21,670
actually being said instead of who's
attached to it, which is why he decided

8426
02:54:21,670 --> 02:54:21,680
attached to it, which is why he decided
 

8427
02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:23,750
attached to it, which is why he decided
to talk to Emily himself and separate

8428
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:23,760
to talk to Emily himself and separate
 

8429
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:25,910
to talk to Emily himself and separate
you guys from it so that at least people

8430
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:25,920
you guys from it so that at least people
 

8431
02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:29,030
you guys from it so that at least people
hear what she has to say.

8432
02:54:29,030 --> 02:54:29,040
hear what she has to say.
 

8433
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:30,710
hear what she has to say.
>> Yeah. It's just that a lot of the video

8434
02:54:30,710 --> 02:54:30,720
>> Yeah. It's just that a lot of the video
 

8435
02:54:30,720 --> 02:54:32,710
>> Yeah. It's just that a lot of the video
is also about Griffin, but very

8436
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:32,720
is also about Griffin, but very
 

8437
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:35,750
is also about Griffin, but very
casually. Um, he talks about it for a

8438
02:54:35,750 --> 02:54:35,760
casually. Um, he talks about it for a
 

8439
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:38,710
casually. Um, he talks about it for a
while, but he doesn't go in depth enough

8440
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:38,720
while, but he doesn't go in depth enough
 

8441
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:42,870
while, but he doesn't go in depth enough
to give the full story on it while also

8442
02:54:42,870 --> 02:54:42,880
to give the full story on it while also
 

8443
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:44,870
to give the full story on it while also
like I I understand that it's not meant

8444
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:44,880
like I I understand that it's not meant
 

8445
02:54:44,880 --> 02:54:47,750
like I I understand that it's not meant
to be what this what the video is about.

8446
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:47,760
to be what this what the video is about.
 

8447
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:49,110
to be what this what the video is about.
>> But he goes on,

8448
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:49,120
>> But he goes on,
 

8449
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:50,790
>> But he goes on,
>> sorry. The only reason that the Black

8450
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:50,800
>> sorry. The only reason that the Black
 

8451
02:54:50,800 --> 02:54:52,630
>> sorry. The only reason that the Black
Griffith stuff gets brought up at all

8452
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:52,640
Griffith stuff gets brought up at all
 

8453
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:53,990
Griffith stuff gets brought up at all
was just because that was one of the

8454
02:54:53,990 --> 02:54:54,000
was just because that was one of the
 

8455
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:55,750
was just because that was one of the
reasons at least Emily gave us to

8456
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:55,760
reasons at least Emily gave us to
 

8457
02:54:55,760 --> 02:54:57,510
reasons at least Emily gave us to
wanting to talk about it was cuz she saw

8458
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:57,520
wanting to talk about it was cuz she saw
 

8459
02:54:57,520 --> 02:54:59,910
wanting to talk about it was cuz she saw
the Black Griffin's coverage, saw that

8460
02:54:59,910 --> 02:54:59,920
the Black Griffin's coverage, saw that
 

8461
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:01,429
the Black Griffin's coverage, saw that
Sabers Spark was defending him and it

8462
02:55:01,429 --> 02:55:01,439
Sabers Spark was defending him and it
 

8463
02:55:01,439 --> 02:55:02,630
Sabers Spark was defending him and it
triggered her enough to want to talk

8464
02:55:02,630 --> 02:55:02,640
triggered her enough to want to talk
 

8465
02:55:02,640 --> 02:55:04,150
triggered her enough to want to talk
about it. That's why we couldn't kind of

8466
02:55:04,150 --> 02:55:04,160
about it. That's why we couldn't kind of
 

8467
02:55:04,160 --> 02:55:05,510
about it. That's why we couldn't kind of
not talk about the black reference stuff

8468
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:05,520
not talk about the black reference stuff
 

8469
02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:05,910
not talk about the black reference stuff
cuz it's like

8470
02:55:05,910 --> 02:55:05,920
cuz it's like
 

8471
02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:07,030
cuz it's like
>> No, I understand that.

8472
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:07,040
>> No, I understand that.
 

8473
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:08,389
>> No, I understand that.
>> Yeah,

8474
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:08,399
>> Yeah,
 

8475
02:55:08,399 --> 02:55:09,830
>> Yeah,
>> that's not the part I have an issue

8476
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:09,840
>> that's not the part I have an issue
 

8477
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:12,950
>> that's not the part I have an issue
with. It's just that instead of bringing

8478
02:55:12,950 --> 02:55:12,960
with. It's just that instead of bringing
 

8479
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:16,710
with. It's just that instead of bringing
that up and leaving it at that or going

8480
02:55:16,710 --> 02:55:16,720
that up and leaving it at that or going
 

8481
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:19,269
that up and leaving it at that or going
in depth about it because of how

8482
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:19,279
in depth about it because of how
 

8483
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:23,030
in depth about it because of how
connected it is, it's kind it's it's

8484
02:55:23,030 --> 02:55:23,040
connected it is, it's kind it's it's
 

8485
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:25,190
connected it is, it's kind it's it's
talked about enough to give an opinion

8486
02:55:25,190 --> 02:55:25,200
talked about enough to give an opinion
 

8487
02:55:25,200 --> 02:55:28,309
talked about enough to give an opinion
on it that I feel dismisses a lot of the

8488
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:28,319
on it that I feel dismisses a lot of the
 

8489
02:55:28,319 --> 02:55:30,710
on it that I feel dismisses a lot of the
crucial information with it while also

8490
02:55:30,710 --> 02:55:30,720
crucial information with it while also
 

8491
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:33,830
crucial information with it while also
not going into it enough to explain

8492
02:55:33,830 --> 02:55:33,840
not going into it enough to explain
 

8493
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:35,349
not going into it enough to explain
things to people who don't know what's

8494
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:35,359
things to people who don't know what's
 

8495
02:55:35,359 --> 02:55:38,870
things to people who don't know what's
going on. So they get an idea from it

8496
02:55:38,870 --> 02:55:38,880
going on. So they get an idea from it
 

8497
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:42,230
going on. So they get an idea from it
that is this is everything uh but it's

8498
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:42,240
that is this is everything uh but it's
 

8499
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:46,710
that is this is everything uh but it's
not that big of a story. Um

8500
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:46,720
not that big of a story. Um
 

8501
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:50,469
not that big of a story. Um
I I I wish it had gone either other way

8502
02:55:50,469 --> 02:55:50,479
I I I wish it had gone either other way
 

8503
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:52,389
I I I wish it had gone either other way
where either

8504
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:52,399
where either
 

8505
02:55:52,399 --> 02:55:54,790
where either
it was said that okay a lot of stuff

8506
02:55:54,790 --> 02:55:54,800
it was said that okay a lot of stuff
 

8507
02:55:54,800 --> 02:55:56,150
it was said that okay a lot of stuff
happened with this other creator Black

8508
02:55:56,150 --> 02:55:56,160
happened with this other creator Black
 

8509
02:55:56,160 --> 02:55:58,630
happened with this other creator Black
Griffin that led to Emmy wanting to come

8510
02:55:58,630 --> 02:55:58,640
Griffin that led to Emmy wanting to come
 

8511
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:00,710
Griffin that led to Emmy wanting to come
out. Uh, we're not going to really touch

8512
02:56:00,710 --> 02:56:00,720
out. Uh, we're not going to really touch
 

8513
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:04,469
out. Uh, we're not going to really touch
on that here, but like you can here's

8514
02:56:04,469 --> 02:56:04,479
on that here, but like you can here's
 

8515
02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:09,349
on that here, but like you can here's
resources to see that. Um, I wish it had

8516
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:09,359
resources to see that. Um, I wish it had
 

8517
02:56:09,359 --> 02:56:12,070
resources to see that. Um, I wish it had
either gone that way or enter had made a

8518
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:12,080
either gone that way or enter had made a
 

8519
02:56:12,080 --> 02:56:15,190
either gone that way or enter had made a
whole section dedicated to going on over

8520
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:15,200
whole section dedicated to going on over
 

8521
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:17,750
whole section dedicated to going on over
every important part. Like obviously

8522
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:17,760
every important part. Like obviously
 

8523
02:56:17,760 --> 02:56:20,150
every important part. Like obviously
there is a lot of minutia, but he

8524
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:20,160
there is a lot of minutia, but he
 

8525
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:21,910
there is a lot of minutia, but he
doesn't go over all the most crucial

8526
02:56:21,910 --> 02:56:21,920
doesn't go over all the most crucial
 

8527
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:24,790
doesn't go over all the most crucial
moments either. Um,

8528
02:56:24,790 --> 02:56:24,800
moments either. Um,
 

8529
02:56:24,800 --> 02:56:27,750
moments either. Um,
I I think it the middle ground really

8530
02:56:27,750 --> 02:56:27,760
I I think it the middle ground really
 

8531
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:29,910
I I think it the middle ground really
does a lot of disservice to everything,

8532
02:56:29,910 --> 02:56:29,920
does a lot of disservice to everything,
 

8533
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:33,750
does a lot of disservice to everything,
which hurts the whole setting,

8534
02:56:33,750 --> 02:56:33,760
which hurts the whole setting,
 

8535
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,269
which hurts the whole setting,
especially when it does tie back to

8536
02:56:35,269 --> 02:56:35,279
especially when it does tie back to
 

8537
02:56:35,279 --> 02:56:37,750
especially when it does tie back to
Saber because Saber defends Griffin in

8538
02:56:37,750 --> 02:56:37,760
Saber because Saber defends Griffin in
 

8539
02:56:37,760 --> 02:56:40,150
Saber because Saber defends Griffin in
his uh response video.

8540
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:40,160
his uh response video.
 

8541
02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:42,150
his uh response video.
>> Right. Exactly. Like, it's kind of hard

8542
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:42,160
>> Right. Exactly. Like, it's kind of hard
 

8543
02:56:42,160 --> 02:56:43,590
>> Right. Exactly. Like, it's kind of hard
not to talk about the Black Griffin

8544
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:43,600
not to talk about the Black Griffin
 

8545
02:56:43,600 --> 02:56:45,269
not to talk about the Black Griffin
thing considering that,

8546
02:56:45,269 --> 02:56:45,279
thing considering that,
 

8547
02:56:45,279 --> 02:56:46,950
thing considering that,
>> you know, Saber uses that as an

8548
02:56:46,950 --> 02:56:46,960
>> you know, Saber uses that as an
 

8549
02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:49,349
>> you know, Saber uses that as an
opportunity to defend him. And I think

8550
02:56:49,349 --> 02:56:49,359
opportunity to defend him. And I think
 

8551
02:56:49,359 --> 02:56:51,670
opportunity to defend him. And I think
that was uh that was Enter's whole point

8552
02:56:51,670 --> 02:56:51,680
that was uh that was Enter's whole point
 

8553
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:53,030
that was uh that was Enter's whole point
even bringing it up. It's just like this

8554
02:56:53,030 --> 02:56:53,040
even bringing it up. It's just like this
 

8555
02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:54,389
even bringing it up. It's just like this
is supposed to be a video that defends

8556
02:56:54,389 --> 02:56:54,399
is supposed to be a video that defends
 

8557
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:57,349
is supposed to be a video that defends
you and what you're getting accused of

8558
02:56:57,349 --> 02:56:57,359
you and what you're getting accused of
 

8559
02:56:57,359 --> 02:57:00,150
you and what you're getting accused of
to use what you're getting accused of as

8560
02:57:00,150 --> 02:57:00,160
to use what you're getting accused of as
 

8561
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:02,550
to use what you're getting accused of as
an opportunity to defend this guy who

8562
02:57:02,550 --> 02:57:02,560
an opportunity to defend this guy who
 

8563
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:05,269
an opportunity to defend this guy who
has like documents out on him right now

8564
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:05,279
has like documents out on him right now
 

8565
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:07,190
has like documents out on him right now
and people like actively looking into

8566
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:07,200
and people like actively looking into
 

8567
02:57:07,200 --> 02:57:09,510
and people like actively looking into
this and deciding that what whatever he

8568
02:57:09,510 --> 02:57:09,520
this and deciding that what whatever he
 

8569
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:11,670
this and deciding that what whatever he
did was wrong. Is that really what you

8570
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:11,680
did was wrong. Is that really what you
 

8571
02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:13,910
did was wrong. Is that really what you
want to be doing right now? Is that the

8572
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:13,920
want to be doing right now? Is that the
 

8573
02:57:13,920 --> 02:57:15,510
want to be doing right now? Is that the
smart move? And he's like, I don't think

8574
02:57:15,510 --> 02:57:15,520
smart move? And he's like, I don't think
 

8575
02:57:15,520 --> 02:57:19,429
smart move? And he's like, I don't think
it necessarily was cuz like,

8576
02:57:19,429 --> 02:57:19,439
it necessarily was cuz like,
 

8577
02:57:19,439 --> 02:57:20,790
it necessarily was cuz like,
you know, it

8578
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:20,800
you know, it
 

8579
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:22,630
you know, it
>> I just think a really telling part is

8580
02:57:22,630 --> 02:57:22,640
>> I just think a really telling part is
 

8581
02:57:22,640 --> 02:57:25,110
>> I just think a really telling part is
that a lot of the response to Enter's

8582
02:57:25,110 --> 02:57:25,120
that a lot of the response to Enter's
 

8583
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:29,349
that a lot of the response to Enter's
video was people who were on one side

8584
02:57:29,349 --> 02:57:29,359
video was people who were on one side
 

8585
02:57:29,359 --> 02:57:31,830
video was people who were on one side
thinking the video supported that and

8586
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:31,840
thinking the video supported that and
 

8587
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:33,910
thinking the video supported that and
people who were on the other side also

8588
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:33,920
people who were on the other side also
 

8589
02:57:33,920 --> 02:57:35,990
people who were on the other side also
thinking the video supported that.

8590
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:36,000
thinking the video supported that.
 

8591
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:41,269
thinking the video supported that.
>> Mhm. Um, I I saw people that thought the

8592
02:57:41,269 --> 02:57:41,279
>> Mhm. Um, I I saw people that thought the
 

8593
02:57:41,279 --> 02:57:43,190
>> Mhm. Um, I I saw people that thought the
entire Black Griffin and Saber Spark

8594
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:43,200
entire Black Griffin and Saber Spark
 

8595
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:46,070
entire Black Griffin and Saber Spark
situation was [\h__\h] citing the video

8596
02:57:46,070 --> 02:57:46,080
situation was [\h__\h] citing the video
 

8597
02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:48,790
situation was [\h__\h] citing the video
as proof that they were right. And I've

8598
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:48,800
as proof that they were right. And I've
 

8599
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:50,710
as proof that they were right. And I've
seen people on the exact opposite side

8600
02:57:50,710 --> 02:57:50,720
seen people on the exact opposite side
 

8601
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:53,670
seen people on the exact opposite side
of all of it doing the same, which tells

8602
02:57:53,670 --> 02:57:53,680
of all of it doing the same, which tells
 

8603
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:57,590
of all of it doing the same, which tells
me that I I don't think it did what it

8604
02:57:57,590 --> 02:57:57,600
me that I I don't think it did what it
 

8605
02:57:57,600 --> 02:57:59,910
me that I I don't think it did what it
was trying to do. Um, and I know it's

8606
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:59,920
was trying to do. Um, and I know it's
 

8607
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:01,830
was trying to do. Um, and I know it's
trying to present information in an

8608
02:58:01,830 --> 02:58:01,840
trying to present information in an
 

8609
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:05,670
trying to present information in an
unbiased way, but I think what it

8610
02:58:05,670 --> 02:58:05,680
unbiased way, but I think what it
 

8611
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:10,309
unbiased way, but I think what it
genuinely ended up doing was being so

8612
02:58:10,309 --> 02:58:10,319
genuinely ended up doing was being so
 

8613
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:13,750
genuinely ended up doing was being so
it was attempting to be so legally okay

8614
02:58:13,750 --> 02:58:13,760
it was attempting to be so legally okay
 

8615
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:15,910
it was attempting to be so legally okay
that it wouldn't get them uh enter in

8616
02:58:15,910 --> 02:58:15,920
that it wouldn't get them uh enter in
 

8617
02:58:15,920 --> 02:58:16,870
that it wouldn't get them uh enter in
trouble.

8618
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:16,880
trouble.
 

8619
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:17,269
trouble.
>> Mhm.

8620
02:58:17,269 --> 02:58:17,279
>> Mhm.
 

8621
02:58:17,279 --> 02:58:20,230
>> Mhm.
>> Uh to the point where

8622
02:58:20,230 --> 02:58:20,240
>> Uh to the point where
 

8623
02:58:20,240 --> 02:58:21,830
>> Uh to the point where
>> Can you blame them though? I mean, like,

8624
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:21,840
>> Can you blame them though? I mean, like,
 

8625
02:58:21,840 --> 02:58:22,469
>> Can you blame them though? I mean, like,
[\h__\h]

8626
02:58:22,469 --> 02:58:22,479
[\h__\h]
 

8627
02:58:22,479 --> 02:58:27,110
[\h__\h]
>> No, I understand. Um, it's just that

8628
02:58:27,110 --> 02:58:27,120
>> No, I understand. Um, it's just that
 

8629
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:31,110
>> No, I understand. Um, it's just that
it it it towed the line to a point where

8630
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:31,120
it it it towed the line to a point where
 

8631
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:33,429
it it it towed the line to a point where
I felt like it was very much only giving

8632
02:58:33,429 --> 02:58:33,439
I felt like it was very much only giving
 

8633
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:35,750
I felt like it was very much only giving
one side

8634
02:58:35,750 --> 02:58:35,760
one side
 

8635
02:58:35,760 --> 02:58:39,830
one side
um

8636
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:39,840

 

8637
02:58:39,840 --> 02:58:41,990

I I didn't think it was all that good. I

8638
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:42,000
I I didn't think it was all that good. I
 

8639
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:44,150
I I didn't think it was all that good. I
I I know people have differing opinions

8640
02:58:44,150 --> 02:58:44,160
I I know people have differing opinions
 

8641
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:46,230
I I know people have differing opinions
and I know people are going to perceive

8642
02:58:46,230 --> 02:58:46,240
and I know people are going to perceive
 

8643
02:58:46,240 --> 02:58:49,110
and I know people are going to perceive
that as well, he talks bad about me, so

8644
02:58:49,110 --> 02:58:49,120
that as well, he talks bad about me, so
 

8645
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,030
that as well, he talks bad about me, so
that's why I don't like it. But I don't

8646
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:51,040
that's why I don't like it. But I don't
 

8647
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:52,550
that's why I don't like it. But I don't
like Courtney either and I think her

8648
02:58:52,550 --> 02:58:52,560
like Courtney either and I think her
 

8649
02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:54,790
like Courtney either and I think her
video is pretty good. So, I don't know.

8650
02:58:54,790 --> 02:58:54,800
video is pretty good. So, I don't know.
 

8651
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:56,630
video is pretty good. So, I don't know.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I You seem to be a

8652
02:58:56,630 --> 02:58:56,640
>> Yeah. I don't know. I You seem to be a
 

8653
02:58:56,640 --> 02:58:58,870
>> Yeah. I don't know. I You seem to be a
person of diverse opinion kind of thing.

8654
02:58:58,870 --> 02:58:58,880
person of diverse opinion kind of thing.
 

8655
02:58:58,880 --> 02:59:01,269
person of diverse opinion kind of thing.
It's not based on whether or not it

8656
02:59:01,269 --> 02:59:01,279
It's not based on whether or not it
 

8657
02:59:01,279 --> 02:59:02,710
It's not based on whether or not it
talks negatively or positively about

8658
02:59:02,710 --> 02:59:02,720
talks negatively or positively about
 

8659
02:59:02,720 --> 02:59:04,630
talks negatively or positively about
you. It's just like this is, you know,

8660
02:59:04,630 --> 02:59:04,640
you. It's just like this is, you know,
 

8661
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:07,830
you. It's just like this is, you know,
it's whatever you feel like does the

8662
02:59:07,830 --> 02:59:07,840
it's whatever you feel like does the
 

8663
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:09,429
it's whatever you feel like does the
best job at presenting the most

8664
02:59:09,429 --> 02:59:09,439
best job at presenting the most
 

8665
02:59:09,439 --> 02:59:11,990
best job at presenting the most
important information.

8666
02:59:11,990 --> 02:59:12,000
important information.
 

8667
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:15,750
important information.
the people involved in all this. I have

8668
02:59:15,750 --> 02:59:15,760
the people involved in all this. I have
 

8669
02:59:15,760 --> 02:59:18,469
the people involved in all this. I have
now a very personal attachment to

8670
02:59:18,469 --> 02:59:18,479
now a very personal attachment to
 

8671
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:19,750
now a very personal attachment to
helping.

8672
02:59:19,750 --> 02:59:19,760
helping.
 

8673
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:22,309
helping.
>> Um, people can perceive that as me being

8674
02:59:22,309 --> 02:59:22,319
>> Um, people can perceive that as me being
 

8675
02:59:22,319 --> 02:59:26,630
>> Um, people can perceive that as me being
biased, but I I I trust Destiny. I trust

8676
02:59:26,630 --> 02:59:26,640
biased, but I I I trust Destiny. I trust
 

8677
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:29,830
biased, but I I I trust Destiny. I trust
the Snapchat victim I talked to both of

8678
02:59:29,830 --> 02:59:29,840
the Snapchat victim I talked to both of
 

8679
02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:35,190
the Snapchat victim I talked to both of
them. And I don't they wouldn't be

8680
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:35,200
them. And I don't they wouldn't be
 

8681
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:38,790
them. And I don't they wouldn't be
as emotional about all of this in the

8682
02:59:38,790 --> 02:59:38,800
as emotional about all of this in the
 

8683
02:59:38,800 --> 02:59:41,269
as emotional about all of this in the
way that they are. If this was all

8684
02:59:41,269 --> 02:59:41,279
way that they are. If this was all
 

8685
02:59:41,279 --> 02:59:44,950
way that they are. If this was all
nonsense, they they don't gain anything

8686
02:59:44,950 --> 02:59:44,960
nonsense, they they don't gain anything
 

8687
02:59:44,960 --> 02:59:46,230
nonsense, they they don't gain anything
from this.

8688
02:59:46,230 --> 02:59:46,240
from this.
 

8689
02:59:46,240 --> 02:59:46,870
from this.
>> Mhm.

8690
02:59:46,870 --> 02:59:46,880
>> Mhm.
 

8691
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:47,670
>> Mhm.
>> Um

8692
02:59:47,670 --> 02:59:47,680
>> Um
 

8693
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:50,070
>> Um
>> well, what about uh what about Emily?

8694
02:59:50,070 --> 02:59:50,080
>> well, what about uh what about Emily?
 

8695
02:59:50,080 --> 02:59:52,550
>> well, what about uh what about Emily?
What do you feel on her?

8696
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:52,560
What do you feel on her?
 

8697
02:59:52,560 --> 02:59:55,830
What do you feel on her?
>> I don't I don't think she gains anything

8698
02:59:55,830 --> 02:59:55,840
>> I don't I don't think she gains anything
 

8699
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:57,750
>> I don't I don't think she gains anything
from this either. I I believe what

8700
02:59:57,750 --> 02:59:57,760
from this either. I I believe what
 

8701
02:59:57,760 --> 02:59:59,110
from this either. I I believe what
happened to her happened.

8702
02:59:59,110 --> 02:59:59,120
happened to her happened.
 

8703
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:01,269
happened to her happened.
>> Mhm. And I think that's been a horrible

8704
03:00:01,269 --> 03:00:01,279
>> Mhm. And I think that's been a horrible
 

8705
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:04,630
>> Mhm. And I think that's been a horrible
situation that has of how all this was

8706
03:00:04,630 --> 03:00:04,640
situation that has of how all this was
 

8707
03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:06,150
situation that has of how all this was
handled,

8708
03:00:06,150 --> 03:00:06,160
handled,
 

8709
03:00:06,160 --> 03:00:09,269
handled,
but people want to tie that back to the

8710
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:09,279
but people want to tie that back to the
 

8711
03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:11,110
but people want to tie that back to the
Griffin situation. So, I feel like I

8712
03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:11,120
Griffin situation. So, I feel like I
 

8713
03:00:11,120 --> 03:00:14,070
Griffin situation. So, I feel like I
have to defend myself so that people can

8714
03:00:14,070 --> 03:00:14,080
have to defend myself so that people can
 

8715
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:15,910
have to defend myself so that people can
see me as trustworthy so that they can

8716
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:15,920
see me as trustworthy so that they can
 

8717
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:17,830
see me as trustworthy so that they can
then trust Destiny and everyone else

8718
03:00:17,830 --> 03:00:17,840
then trust Destiny and everyone else
 

8719
03:00:17,840 --> 03:00:20,309
then trust Destiny and everyone else
again because I'm the one helping. So,

8720
03:00:20,309 --> 03:00:20,319
again because I'm the one helping. So,
 

8721
03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:22,389
again because I'm the one helping. So,
if they don't trust me, they don't trust

8722
03:00:22,389 --> 03:00:22,399
if they don't trust me, they don't trust
 

8723
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:24,469
if they don't trust me, they don't trust
anyone and then it all falls apart,

8724
03:00:24,469 --> 03:00:24,479
anyone and then it all falls apart,
 

8725
03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:28,150
anyone and then it all falls apart,
>> right? Um, and I I people see that as me

8726
03:00:28,150 --> 03:00:28,160
>> right? Um, and I I people see that as me
 

8727
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:30,150
>> right? Um, and I I people see that as me
putting myself in the middle of

8728
03:00:30,150 --> 03:00:30,160
putting myself in the middle of
 

8729
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,630
putting myself in the middle of
everything and act thinking that I am

8730
03:00:32,630 --> 03:00:32,640
everything and act thinking that I am
 

8731
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,309
everything and act thinking that I am
like the center of the universe, but I

8732
03:00:34,309 --> 03:00:34,319
like the center of the universe, but I
 

8733
03:00:34,319 --> 03:00:36,389
like the center of the universe, but I
that's it's just that I'm the one who

8734
03:00:36,389 --> 03:00:36,399
that's it's just that I'm the one who
 

8735
03:00:36,399 --> 03:00:38,870
that's it's just that I'm the one who
was running the account that had posted

8736
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:38,880
was running the account that had posted
 

8737
03:00:38,880 --> 03:00:40,630
was running the account that had posted
all the information.

8738
03:00:40,630 --> 03:00:40,640
all the information.
 

8739
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:45,110
all the information.
>> So, if people want to throw the account

8740
03:00:45,110 --> 03:00:45,120
>> So, if people want to throw the account
 

8741
03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:48,230
>> So, if people want to throw the account
away as a whole because of how they

8742
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:48,240
away as a whole because of how they
 

8743
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:51,670
away as a whole because of how they
perceive me, it's going to hurt other

8744
03:00:51,670 --> 03:00:51,680
perceive me, it's going to hurt other
 

8745
03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:56,230
perceive me, it's going to hurt other
people too. And that upsets me cuz that

8746
03:00:56,230 --> 03:00:56,240
people too. And that upsets me cuz that
 

8747
03:00:56,240 --> 03:01:00,309
people too. And that upsets me cuz that
that's making them lose. That's making

8748
03:01:00,309 --> 03:01:00,319
that's making them lose. That's making
 

8749
03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:02,309
that's making them lose. That's making
them hurt more,

8750
03:01:02,309 --> 03:01:02,319
them hurt more,
 

8751
03:01:02,319 --> 03:01:05,269
them hurt more,
>> right? I Okay. So, I mean, I guess I I

8752
03:01:05,269 --> 03:01:05,279
>> right? I Okay. So, I mean, I guess I I
 

8753
03:01:05,279 --> 03:01:07,269
>> right? I Okay. So, I mean, I guess I I
suppose I can see that from your

8754
03:01:07,269 --> 03:01:07,279
suppose I can see that from your
 

8755
03:01:07,279 --> 03:01:09,670
suppose I can see that from your
perspective. Like, you're very much

8756
03:01:09,670 --> 03:01:09,680
perspective. Like, you're very much
 

8757
03:01:09,680 --> 03:01:11,510
perspective. Like, you're very much
focused in on how the victims feel kind

8758
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:11,520
focused in on how the victims feel kind
 

8759
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:15,269
focused in on how the victims feel kind
of thing. And I I find that admirable,

8760
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:15,279
of thing. And I I find that admirable,
 

8761
03:01:15,279 --> 03:01:19,429
of thing. And I I find that admirable,
you know. Um, and I I I just think that

8762
03:01:19,429 --> 03:01:19,439
you know. Um, and I I I just think that
 

8763
03:01:19,439 --> 03:01:24,309
you know. Um, and I I I just think that
like in in future, right, when it comes

8764
03:01:24,309 --> 03:01:24,319
like in in future, right, when it comes
 

8765
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:27,830
like in in future, right, when it comes
to I think it was said best when Enter

8766
03:01:27,830 --> 03:01:27,840
to I think it was said best when Enter
 

8767
03:01:27,840 --> 03:01:29,830
to I think it was said best when Enter
um talked about it in a previous video

8768
03:01:29,830 --> 03:01:29,840
um talked about it in a previous video
 

8769
03:01:29,840 --> 03:01:32,070
um talked about it in a previous video
about the whole Star Giant thing that

8770
03:01:32,070 --> 03:01:32,080
about the whole Star Giant thing that
 

8771
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:33,910
about the whole Star Giant thing that
when it comes to doing this sort of

8772
03:01:33,910 --> 03:01:33,920
when it comes to doing this sort of
 

8773
03:01:33,920 --> 03:01:36,230
when it comes to doing this sort of
thing, reputation truly is everything.

8774
03:01:36,230 --> 03:01:36,240
thing, reputation truly is everything.
 

8775
03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:38,790
thing, reputation truly is everything.
You know what I mean? Like it it

8776
03:01:38,790 --> 03:01:38,800
You know what I mean? Like it it
 

8777
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:40,870
You know what I mean? Like it it
>> I just don't think I've done anything to

8778
03:01:40,870 --> 03:01:40,880
>> I just don't think I've done anything to
 

8779
03:01:40,880 --> 03:01:44,230
>> I just don't think I've done anything to
ruin that. I think people really want to

8780
03:01:44,230 --> 03:01:44,240
ruin that. I think people really want to
 

8781
03:01:44,240 --> 03:01:47,910
ruin that. I think people really want to
say that it has happened.

8782
03:01:47,910 --> 03:01:47,920
say that it has happened.
 

8783
03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:48,309
say that it has happened.
>> Yeah.

8784
03:01:48,309 --> 03:01:48,319
>> Yeah.
 

8785
03:01:48,319 --> 03:01:51,030
>> Yeah.
>> But I don't think it has.

8786
03:01:51,030 --> 03:01:51,040
>> But I don't think it has.
 

8787
03:01:51,040 --> 03:01:52,950
>> But I don't think it has.
>> Well, I mean, there's one thing I think

8788
03:01:52,950 --> 03:01:52,960
>> Well, I mean, there's one thing I think
 

8789
03:01:52,960 --> 03:01:54,870
>> Well, I mean, there's one thing I think
I should ask you about, and it's about

8790
03:01:54,870 --> 03:01:54,880
I should ask you about, and it's about
 

8791
03:01:54,880 --> 03:01:56,870
I should ask you about, and it's about
reputational, and it's definitely about

8792
03:01:56,870 --> 03:01:56,880
reputational, and it's definitely about
 

8793
03:01:56,880 --> 03:01:59,190
reputational, and it's definitely about
a criticism that I've seen of you,

8794
03:01:59,190 --> 03:01:59,200
a criticism that I've seen of you,
 

8795
03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:01,510
a criticism that I've seen of you,
>> and it's in regards to how you defend

8796
03:02:01,510 --> 03:02:01,520
>> and it's in regards to how you defend
 

8797
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:03,110
>> and it's in regards to how you defend
Wootmaster.

8798
03:02:03,110 --> 03:02:03,120
Wootmaster.
 

8799
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:04,630
Wootmaster.
>> Um,

8800
03:02:04,630 --> 03:02:04,640
>> Um,
 

8801
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:07,990
>> Um,
here's the thing about Wootmaster. Um, I

8802
03:02:07,990 --> 03:02:08,000
here's the thing about Wootmaster. Um, I
 

8803
03:02:08,000 --> 03:02:09,830
here's the thing about Wootmaster. Um, I
because I've talked about stories of

8804
03:02:09,830 --> 03:02:09,840
because I've talked about stories of
 

8805
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:12,550
because I've talked about stories of
this nature before. Um, in regards to

8806
03:02:12,550 --> 03:02:12,560
this nature before. Um, in regards to
 

8807
03:02:12,560 --> 03:02:15,190
this nature before. Um, in regards to
people like Earl Dubbie, right? I don't,

8808
03:02:15,190 --> 03:02:15,200
people like Earl Dubbie, right? I don't,
 

8809
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:16,469
people like Earl Dubbie, right? I don't,
you probably don't know who it is.

8810
03:02:16,469 --> 03:02:16,479
you probably don't know who it is.
 

8811
03:02:16,479 --> 03:02:18,630
you probably don't know who it is.
That's the White Bowser.

8812
03:02:18,630 --> 03:02:18,640
That's the White Bowser.
 

8813
03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:22,710
That's the White Bowser.
>> That's a guy who's really who is really

8814
03:02:22,710 --> 03:02:22,720
>> That's a guy who's really who is really
 

8815
03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:25,110
>> That's a guy who's really who is really
into drawn anime children. That's all I

8816
03:02:25,110 --> 03:02:25,120
into drawn anime children. That's all I
 

8817
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:26,630
into drawn anime children. That's all I
can really tell you about it.

8818
03:02:26,630 --> 03:02:26,640
can really tell you about it.
 

8819
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:27,670
can really tell you about it.
>> Okay.

8820
03:02:27,670 --> 03:02:27,680
>> Okay.
 

8821
03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:29,910
>> Okay.
>> So, yeah, search him up. It's so much

8822
03:02:29,910 --> 03:02:29,920
>> So, yeah, search him up. It's so much
 

8823
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:31,670
>> So, yeah, search him up. It's so much
fun. Um,

8824
03:02:31,670 --> 03:02:31,680
fun. Um,
 

8825
03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:34,630
fun. Um,
>> I'm I'm all right. Honestly, I believe

8826
03:02:34,630 --> 03:02:34,640
>> I'm I'm all right. Honestly, I believe
 

8827
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:35,830
>> I'm I'm all right. Honestly, I believe
you.

8828
03:02:35,830 --> 03:02:35,840
you.
 

8829
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:38,630
you.
Yeah. So,

8830
03:02:38,630 --> 03:02:38,640
Yeah. So,
 

8831
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:43,349
Yeah. So,
Woot Master has had a a history kind of

8832
03:02:43,349 --> 03:02:43,359
Woot Master has had a a history kind of
 

8833
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:47,830
Woot Master has had a a history kind of
with, you know, his artwork can kind of

8834
03:02:47,830 --> 03:02:47,840
with, you know, his artwork can kind of
 

8835
03:02:47,840 --> 03:02:51,190
with, you know, his artwork can kind of
be seen as controversial

8836
03:02:51,190 --> 03:02:51,200
be seen as controversial
 

8837
03:02:51,200 --> 03:02:53,269
be seen as controversial
for reasons being that like a lot of it

8838
03:02:53,269 --> 03:02:53,279
for reasons being that like a lot of it
 

8839
03:02:53,279 --> 03:02:55,190
for reasons being that like a lot of it
involves like characters canonically

8840
03:02:55,190 --> 03:02:55,200
involves like characters canonically
 

8841
03:02:55,200 --> 03:02:57,670
involves like characters canonically
underage or something like that. I'm of

8842
03:02:57,670 --> 03:02:57,680
underage or something like that. I'm of
 

8843
03:02:57,680 --> 03:03:00,230
underage or something like that. I'm of
the opinion that like irregardless, as

8844
03:03:00,230 --> 03:03:00,240
the opinion that like irregardless, as
 

8845
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:02,550
the opinion that like irregardless, as
you say, I aged up the character. I

8846
03:03:02,550 --> 03:03:02,560
you say, I aged up the character. I
 

8847
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:05,429
you say, I aged up the character. I
think it's very very weird to draw them

8848
03:03:05,429 --> 03:03:05,439
think it's very very weird to draw them
 

8849
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:08,309
think it's very very weird to draw them
in specific situations irregardless of

8850
03:03:08,309 --> 03:03:08,319
in specific situations irregardless of
 

8851
03:03:08,319 --> 03:03:11,910
in specific situations irregardless of
age. Um I feel like you probably don't

8852
03:03:11,910 --> 03:03:11,920
age. Um I feel like you probably don't
 

8853
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:13,590
age. Um I feel like you probably don't
feel the same way since you've defended

8854
03:03:13,590 --> 03:03:13,600
feel the same way since you've defended
 

8855
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:15,750
feel the same way since you've defended
Woot Master. So can you just kind of

8856
03:03:15,750 --> 03:03:15,760
Woot Master. So can you just kind of
 

8857
03:03:15,760 --> 03:03:18,710
Woot Master. So can you just kind of
explain to me your feelings on like Woot

8858
03:03:18,710 --> 03:03:18,720
explain to me your feelings on like Woot
 

8859
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:21,349
explain to me your feelings on like Woot
Master as a like a content creator

8860
03:03:21,349 --> 03:03:21,359
Master as a like a content creator
 

8861
03:03:21,359 --> 03:03:22,710
Master as a like a content creator
because they've been in controversy

8862
03:03:22,710 --> 03:03:22,720
because they've been in controversy
 

8863
03:03:22,720 --> 03:03:26,150
because they've been in controversy
before for this specific thing. And I I

8864
03:03:26,150 --> 03:03:26,160
before for this specific thing. And I I
 

8865
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:28,389
before for this specific thing. And I I
I just was curious about like why you

8866
03:03:28,389 --> 03:03:28,399
I just was curious about like why you
 

8867
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:30,550
I just was curious about like why you
would choose to defend that whilst also

8868
03:03:30,550 --> 03:03:30,560
would choose to defend that whilst also
 

8869
03:03:30,560 --> 03:03:34,630
would choose to defend that whilst also
trying to like expose somebody else for

8870
03:03:34,630 --> 03:03:34,640
trying to like expose somebody else for
 

8871
03:03:34,640 --> 03:03:36,469
trying to like expose somebody else for
grooming. It just it seems like a

8872
03:03:36,469 --> 03:03:36,479
grooming. It just it seems like a
 

8873
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:39,030
grooming. It just it seems like a
contradiction to be like I'm okay with

8874
03:03:39,030 --> 03:03:39,040
contradiction to be like I'm okay with
 

8875
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,670
contradiction to be like I'm okay with
uh drawings of underage characters in

8876
03:03:41,670 --> 03:03:41,680
uh drawings of underage characters in
 

8877
03:03:41,680 --> 03:03:43,990
uh drawings of underage characters in
certain situations, but I'm absolutely

8878
03:03:43,990 --> 03:03:44,000
certain situations, but I'm absolutely
 

8879
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,150
certain situations, but I'm absolutely
going to go on die on the hill to say

8880
03:03:46,150 --> 03:03:46,160
going to go on die on the hill to say
 

8881
03:03:46,160 --> 03:03:47,670
going to go on die on the hill to say
that somebody groomed somebody kind of

8882
03:03:47,670 --> 03:03:47,680
that somebody groomed somebody kind of
 

8883
03:03:47,680 --> 03:03:49,750
that somebody groomed somebody kind of
thing.

8884
03:03:49,750 --> 03:03:49,760
thing.
 

8885
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:51,349
thing.
I

8886
03:03:51,349 --> 03:03:51,359
I
 

8887
03:03:51,359 --> 03:03:54,469
I
think that's a very I'm not trying to

8888
03:03:54,469 --> 03:03:54,479
think that's a very I'm not trying to
 

8889
03:03:54,479 --> 03:03:57,830
think that's a very I'm not trying to
like be hostile or defensive.

8890
03:03:57,830 --> 03:03:57,840
like be hostile or defensive.
 

8891
03:03:57,840 --> 03:04:00,070
like be hostile or defensive.
>> I just think that's very shorted. No,

8892
03:04:00,070 --> 03:04:00,080
>> I just think that's very shorted. No,
 

8893
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:01,670
>> I just think that's very shorted. No,
no. I

8894
03:04:01,670 --> 03:04:01,680
no. I
 

8895
03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:04,150
no. I
>> I I just think it's entirely different.

8896
03:04:04,150 --> 03:04:04,160
>> I I just think it's entirely different.
 

8897
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:06,309
>> I I just think it's entirely different.
Like not even

8898
03:04:06,309 --> 03:04:06,319
Like not even
 

8899
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:10,389
Like not even
>> like if you think one is bad or or both

8900
03:04:10,389 --> 03:04:10,399
>> like if you think one is bad or or both
 

8901
03:04:10,399 --> 03:04:12,469
>> like if you think one is bad or or both
are bad, that's fine.

8902
03:04:12,469 --> 03:04:12,479
are bad, that's fine.
 

8903
03:04:12,479 --> 03:04:14,950
are bad, that's fine.
>> I'm not I'm not even trying to debate

8904
03:04:14,950 --> 03:04:14,960
>> I'm not I'm not even trying to debate
 

8905
03:04:14,960 --> 03:04:17,110
>> I'm not I'm not even trying to debate
that. I'm just trying to say that there

8906
03:04:17,110 --> 03:04:17,120
that. I'm just trying to say that there
 

8907
03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:21,269
that. I'm just trying to say that there
are leagues different um and I if it

8908
03:04:21,269 --> 03:04:21,279
are leagues different um and I if it
 

8909
03:04:21,279 --> 03:04:23,910
are leagues different um and I if it
seems very

8910
03:04:23,910 --> 03:04:23,920
seems very
 

8911
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:26,230
seems very
shortsighted to say that it's the same

8912
03:04:26,230 --> 03:04:26,240
shortsighted to say that it's the same
 

8913
03:04:26,240 --> 03:04:28,630
shortsighted to say that it's the same
thing and contradictory

8914
03:04:28,630 --> 03:04:28,640
thing and contradictory
 

8915
03:04:28,640 --> 03:04:31,510
thing and contradictory
um because

8916
03:04:31,510 --> 03:04:31,520
um because
 

8917
03:04:31,520 --> 03:04:34,790
um because
there are genuine people that exist that

8918
03:04:34,790 --> 03:04:34,800
there are genuine people that exist that
 

8919
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:37,830
there are genuine people that exist that
are being harmed and multiple of them

8920
03:04:37,830 --> 03:04:37,840
are being harmed and multiple of them
 

8921
03:04:37,840 --> 03:04:42,710
are being harmed and multiple of them
>> in the Griffin situation and

8922
03:04:42,710 --> 03:04:42,720
>> in the Griffin situation and
 

8923
03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:47,190
>> in the Griffin situation and
and I think that Woot um fights for a

8924
03:04:47,190 --> 03:04:47,200
and I think that Woot um fights for a
 

8925
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:51,110
and I think that Woot um fights for a
lot of people that need help. I I think

8926
03:04:51,110 --> 03:04:51,120
lot of people that need help. I I think
 

8927
03:04:51,120 --> 03:04:54,309
lot of people that need help. I I think
he is very genuine in all that.

8928
03:04:54,309 --> 03:04:54,319
he is very genuine in all that.
 

8929
03:04:54,319 --> 03:04:56,870
he is very genuine in all that.
If he ever did anything that Griffin

8930
03:04:56,870 --> 03:04:56,880
If he ever did anything that Griffin
 

8931
03:04:56,880 --> 03:05:02,309
If he ever did anything that Griffin
did, I would not be so uh

8932
03:05:02,309 --> 03:05:02,319
did, I would not be so uh
 

8933
03:05:02,319 --> 03:05:04,469
did, I would not be so uh
willing to defend him. In fact, I would

8934
03:05:04,469 --> 03:05:04,479
willing to defend him. In fact, I would
 

8935
03:05:04,479 --> 03:05:07,510
willing to defend him. In fact, I would
probably just not talk to him ever

8936
03:05:07,510 --> 03:05:07,520
probably just not talk to him ever
 

8937
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:09,110
probably just not talk to him ever
again. And I don't really talk to him

8938
03:05:09,110 --> 03:05:09,120
again. And I don't really talk to him
 

8939
03:05:09,120 --> 03:05:10,710
again. And I don't really talk to him
all that much to begin with,

8940
03:05:10,710 --> 03:05:10,720
all that much to begin with,
 

8941
03:05:10,720 --> 03:05:13,910
all that much to begin with,
>> okay? But he hasn't done anything to

8942
03:05:13,910 --> 03:05:13,920
>> okay? But he hasn't done anything to
 

8943
03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:16,790
>> okay? But he hasn't done anything to
harm anyone as far as I'm aware.

8944
03:05:16,790 --> 03:05:16,800
harm anyone as far as I'm aware.
 

8945
03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:20,630
harm anyone as far as I'm aware.
>> And I don't really the

8946
03:05:20,630 --> 03:05:20,640
>> And I don't really the
 

8947
03:05:20,640 --> 03:05:25,590
>> And I don't really the
I don't want to argue this point because

8948
03:05:25,590 --> 03:05:25,600
I don't want to argue this point because
 

8949
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:27,590
I don't want to argue this point because
I don't think it matters to the grand

8950
03:05:27,590 --> 03:05:27,600
I don't think it matters to the grand
 

8951
03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:30,309
I don't think it matters to the grand
scheme of everything. And I know people

8952
03:05:30,309 --> 03:05:30,319
scheme of everything. And I know people
 

8953
03:05:30,319 --> 03:05:33,590
scheme of everything. And I know people
don't like when I argue this and they

8954
03:05:33,590 --> 03:05:33,600
don't like when I argue this and they
 

8955
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:38,870
don't like when I argue this and they
they act like I'm ruining everything

8956
03:05:38,870 --> 03:05:38,880
they act like I'm ruining everything
 

8957
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:40,469
they act like I'm ruining everything
because I'm talking about it. But it's

8958
03:05:40,469 --> 03:05:40,479
because I'm talking about it. But it's
 

8959
03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:41,830
because I'm talking about it. But it's
I'm only talking about it cuz people

8960
03:05:41,830 --> 03:05:41,840
I'm only talking about it cuz people
 

8961
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:43,030
I'm only talking about it cuz people
bring it up.

8962
03:05:43,030 --> 03:05:43,040
bring it up.
 

8963
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:43,429
bring it up.
>> Mhm.

8964
03:05:43,429 --> 03:05:43,439
>> Mhm.
 

8965
03:05:43,439 --> 03:05:45,590
>> Mhm.
>> But I don't feel like artwork of

8966
03:05:45,590 --> 03:05:45,600
>> But I don't feel like artwork of
 

8967
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:49,030
>> But I don't feel like artwork of
fictional characters, regardless of what

8968
03:05:49,030 --> 03:05:49,040
fictional characters, regardless of what
 

8969
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:52,070
fictional characters, regardless of what
age or anything that they are,

8970
03:05:52,070 --> 03:05:52,080
age or anything that they are,
 

8971
03:05:52,080 --> 03:05:54,950
age or anything that they are,
has any effect on real people, unless

8972
03:05:54,950 --> 03:05:54,960
has any effect on real people, unless
 

8973
03:05:54,960 --> 03:05:57,990
has any effect on real people, unless
it's a drawing of a real child. And then

8974
03:05:57,990 --> 03:05:58,000
it's a drawing of a real child. And then
 

8975
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:00,710
it's a drawing of a real child. And then
then that crosses the line greatly for

8976
03:06:00,710 --> 03:06:00,720
then that crosses the line greatly for
 

8977
03:06:00,720 --> 03:06:01,590
then that crosses the line greatly for
me. Mhm.

8978
03:06:01,590 --> 03:06:01,600
me. Mhm.
 

8979
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:03,429
me. Mhm.
>> Um

8980
03:06:03,429 --> 03:06:03,439
>> Um
 

8981
03:06:03,439 --> 03:06:05,910
>> Um
I

8982
03:06:05,910 --> 03:06:05,920
I
 

8983
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:10,230
I
if I had any thought that Woot Master

8984
03:06:10,230 --> 03:06:10,240
if I had any thought that Woot Master
 

8985
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:13,269
if I had any thought that Woot Master
wanted to get with actual children, I

8986
03:06:13,269 --> 03:06:13,279
wanted to get with actual children, I
 

8987
03:06:13,279 --> 03:06:16,230
wanted to get with actual children, I
would not be talking about Woot Master.

8988
03:06:16,230 --> 03:06:16,240
would not be talking about Woot Master.
 

8989
03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:16,790
would not be talking about Woot Master.
>> Mhm.

8990
03:06:16,790 --> 03:06:16,800
>> Mhm.
 

8991
03:06:16,800 --> 03:06:18,870
>> Mhm.
>> In any good sense, at least,

8992
03:06:18,870 --> 03:06:18,880
>> In any good sense, at least,
 

8993
03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:19,510
>> In any good sense, at least,
>> right?

8994
03:06:19,510 --> 03:06:19,520
>> right?
 

8995
03:06:19,520 --> 03:06:21,190
>> right?
>> Um

8996
03:06:21,190 --> 03:06:21,200
>> Um
 

8997
03:06:21,200 --> 03:06:23,910
>> Um
but I don't think that he has that. I

8998
03:06:23,910 --> 03:06:23,920
but I don't think that he has that. I
 

8999
03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:28,309
but I don't think that he has that. I
don't believe that. Um, he's given me no

9000
03:06:28,309 --> 03:06:28,319
don't believe that. Um, he's given me no
 

9001
03:06:28,319 --> 03:06:30,070
don't believe that. Um, he's given me no
reason

9002
03:06:30,070 --> 03:06:30,080
reason
 

9003
03:06:30,080 --> 03:06:34,950
reason
to believe that. And I know people

9004
03:06:34,950 --> 03:06:34,960
to believe that. And I know people
 

9005
03:06:34,960 --> 03:06:37,030
to believe that. And I know people
I keep saying the same. I know people

9006
03:06:37,030 --> 03:06:37,040
I keep saying the same. I know people
 

9007
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:39,269
I keep saying the same. I know people
this, I know people that.

9008
03:06:39,269 --> 03:06:39,279
this, I know people that.
 

9009
03:06:39,279 --> 03:06:41,190
this, I know people that.
I understand

9010
03:06:41,190 --> 03:06:41,200
I understand
 

9011
03:06:41,200 --> 03:06:45,750
I understand
that there is a lot of things

9012
03:06:45,750 --> 03:06:45,760
that there is a lot of things
 

9013
03:06:45,760 --> 03:06:48,389
that there is a lot of things
that would require explaining my stance

9014
03:06:48,389 --> 03:06:48,399
that would require explaining my stance
 

9015
03:06:48,399 --> 03:06:51,349
that would require explaining my stance
on and explaining how what the

9016
03:06:51,349 --> 03:06:51,359
on and explaining how what the
 

9017
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:53,510
on and explaining how what the
differences are. And once I go into

9018
03:06:53,510 --> 03:06:53,520
differences are. And once I go into
 

9019
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:55,590
differences are. And once I go into
that, the conversation's too

9020
03:06:55,590 --> 03:06:55,600
that, the conversation's too
 

9021
03:06:55,600 --> 03:06:57,510
that, the conversation's too
uncomfortable for people

9022
03:06:57,510 --> 03:06:57,520
uncomfortable for people
 

9023
03:06:57,520 --> 03:07:00,309
uncomfortable for people
>> and I think that they don't listen to

9024
03:07:00,309 --> 03:07:00,319
>> and I think that they don't listen to
 

9025
03:07:00,319 --> 03:07:02,630
>> and I think that they don't listen to
what I'm saying and they just go, "He

9026
03:07:02,630 --> 03:07:02,640
what I'm saying and they just go, "He
 

9027
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:05,510
what I'm saying and they just go, "He
defended that thing." So, uh, therefore,

9028
03:07:05,510 --> 03:07:05,520
defended that thing." So, uh, therefore,
 

9029
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:06,870
defended that thing." So, uh, therefore,
he she shouldn't be talking about

9030
03:07:06,870 --> 03:07:06,880
he she shouldn't be talking about
 

9031
03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:08,710
he she shouldn't be talking about
anything ever.

9032
03:07:08,710 --> 03:07:08,720
anything ever.
 

9033
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,389
anything ever.
Um,

9034
03:07:10,389 --> 03:07:10,399
Um,
 

9035
03:07:10,399 --> 03:07:12,870
Um,
but I I don't think he has harmed anyone

9036
03:07:12,870 --> 03:07:12,880
but I I don't think he has harmed anyone
 

9037
03:07:12,880 --> 03:07:15,510
but I I don't think he has harmed anyone
and that's the difference for me.

9038
03:07:15,510 --> 03:07:15,520
and that's the difference for me.
 

9039
03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:20,630
and that's the difference for me.
>> I I I don't think it matters.

9040
03:07:20,630 --> 03:07:20,640

 

9041
03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:22,710

Well, I think we had a conversation,

9042
03:07:22,710 --> 03:07:22,720
Well, I think we had a conversation,
 

9043
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:24,790
Well, I think we had a conversation,
right, about like the whole Nazis and

9044
03:07:24,790 --> 03:07:24,800
right, about like the whole Nazis and
 

9045
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:27,510
right, about like the whole Nazis and
the brony fandom, how normalizing and

9046
03:07:27,510 --> 03:07:27,520
the brony fandom, how normalizing and
 

9047
03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:29,429
the brony fandom, how normalizing and
like how normalizing certain things can

9048
03:07:29,429 --> 03:07:29,439
like how normalizing certain things can
 

9049
03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:31,269
like how normalizing certain things can
also equally be harmful, right? If

9050
03:07:31,269 --> 03:07:31,279
also equally be harmful, right? If
 

9051
03:07:31,279 --> 03:07:33,030
also equally be harmful, right? If
you're like being like, "Nah, this is

9052
03:07:33,030 --> 03:07:33,040
you're like being like, "Nah, this is
 

9053
03:07:33,040 --> 03:07:34,550
you're like being like, "Nah, this is
normal, that's equally as bad." Or

9054
03:07:34,550 --> 03:07:34,560
normal, that's equally as bad." Or
 

9055
03:07:34,560 --> 03:07:36,389
normal, that's equally as bad." Or
saying like, "Nah, that's not as big of

9056
03:07:36,389 --> 03:07:36,399
saying like, "Nah, that's not as big of
 

9057
03:07:36,399 --> 03:07:38,469
saying like, "Nah, that's not as big of
a deal. That's equally as bad." Could

9058
03:07:38,469 --> 03:07:38,479
a deal. That's equally as bad." Could
 

9059
03:07:38,479 --> 03:07:41,110
a deal. That's equally as bad." Could
you not concede that maybe, you know,

9060
03:07:41,110 --> 03:07:41,120
you not concede that maybe, you know,
 

9061
03:07:41,120 --> 03:07:43,830
you not concede that maybe, you know,
drawing characters like that normalizes

9062
03:07:43,830 --> 03:07:43,840
drawing characters like that normalizes
 

9063
03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:47,030
drawing characters like that normalizes
the idea that people of that age can be

9064
03:07:47,030 --> 03:07:47,040
the idea that people of that age can be
 

9065
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:48,950
the idea that people of that age can be
put in sexual situations and it can be

9066
03:07:48,950 --> 03:07:48,960
put in sexual situations and it can be
 

9067
03:07:48,960 --> 03:07:50,870
put in sexual situations and it can be
seen as fine. Like cuz that's

9068
03:07:50,870 --> 03:07:50,880
seen as fine. Like cuz that's
 

9069
03:07:50,880 --> 03:07:52,469
seen as fine. Like cuz that's
>> I think that's a lot more fair of an

9070
03:07:52,469 --> 03:07:52,479
>> I think that's a lot more fair of an
 

9071
03:07:52,479 --> 03:07:55,750
>> I think that's a lot more fair of an
argument than most people give. I I I I

9072
03:07:55,750 --> 03:07:55,760
argument than most people give. I I I I
 

9073
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:59,750
argument than most people give. I I I I
agree that there is that you you are

9074
03:07:59,750 --> 03:07:59,760
agree that there is that you you are
 

9075
03:07:59,760 --> 03:08:02,150
agree that there is that you you are
making a fair argument there. Um

9076
03:08:02,150 --> 03:08:02,160
making a fair argument there. Um
 

9077
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:03,830
making a fair argument there. Um
>> because that's my main argument when it

9078
03:08:03,830 --> 03:08:03,840
>> because that's my main argument when it
 

9079
03:08:03,840 --> 03:08:05,349
>> because that's my main argument when it
comes to it really. That's what I say to

9080
03:08:05,349 --> 03:08:05,359
comes to it really. That's what I say to
 

9081
03:08:05,359 --> 03:08:06,950
comes to it really. That's what I say to
everyone. It's just like, sure, these

9082
03:08:06,950 --> 03:08:06,960
everyone. It's just like, sure, these
 

9083
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:09,269
everyone. It's just like, sure, these
characters may not be real, but drawing

9084
03:08:09,269 --> 03:08:09,279
characters may not be real, but drawing
 

9085
03:08:09,279 --> 03:08:11,269
characters may not be real, but drawing
them sexualized,

9086
03:08:11,269 --> 03:08:11,279
them sexualized,
 

9087
03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:12,950
them sexualized,
>> knowing the age that they are in the

9088
03:08:12,950 --> 03:08:12,960
>> knowing the age that they are in the
 

9089
03:08:12,960 --> 03:08:16,630
>> knowing the age that they are in the
show could normalize the idea for real

9090
03:08:16,630 --> 03:08:16,640
show could normalize the idea for real
 

9091
03:08:16,640 --> 03:08:18,230
show could normalize the idea for real
ch like real kids that watch the show

9092
03:08:18,230 --> 03:08:18,240
ch like real kids that watch the show
 

9093
03:08:18,240 --> 03:08:20,150
ch like real kids that watch the show
and love the show, seeing them like that

9094
03:08:20,150 --> 03:08:20,160
and love the show, seeing them like that
 

9095
03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:21,510
and love the show, seeing them like that
be like, "Oh, that could be normalized

9096
03:08:21,510 --> 03:08:21,520
be like, "Oh, that could be normalized
 

9097
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:23,030
be like, "Oh, that could be normalized
for me, too." Like, that's my argument.

9098
03:08:23,030 --> 03:08:23,040
for me, too." Like, that's my argument.
 

9099
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:24,710
for me, too." Like, that's my argument.
It's normalization of something that I

9100
03:08:24,710 --> 03:08:24,720
It's normalization of something that I
 

9101
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:27,590
It's normalization of something that I
don't think should be. I I I I believe

9102
03:08:27,590 --> 03:08:27,600
don't think should be. I I I I believe
 

9103
03:08:27,600 --> 03:08:30,389
don't think should be. I I I I believe
that it should not be in a place where

9104
03:08:30,389 --> 03:08:30,399
that it should not be in a place where
 

9105
03:08:30,399 --> 03:08:33,670
that it should not be in a place where
like people uh that

9106
03:08:33,670 --> 03:08:33,680
like people uh that
 

9107
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:36,630
like people uh that
people uncomfortable with it and people

9108
03:08:36,630 --> 03:08:36,640
people uncomfortable with it and people
 

9109
03:08:36,640 --> 03:08:40,469
people uncomfortable with it and people
who are minors can see. It should not be

9110
03:08:40,469 --> 03:08:40,479
who are minors can see. It should not be
 

9111
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:41,510
who are minors can see. It should not be
accessible.

9112
03:08:41,510 --> 03:08:41,520
accessible.
 

9113
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:41,910
accessible.
>> Mhm.

9114
03:08:41,910 --> 03:08:41,920
>> Mhm.
 

9115
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:44,550
>> Mhm.
>> Uh it can't just be posted willy-nilly.

9116
03:08:44,550 --> 03:08:44,560
>> Uh it can't just be posted willy-nilly.
 

9117
03:08:44,560 --> 03:08:50,230
>> Uh it can't just be posted willy-nilly.
Like I I think that that is wrong. Um,

9118
03:08:50,230 --> 03:08:50,240
Like I I think that that is wrong. Um,
 

9119
03:08:50,240 --> 03:08:52,150
Like I I think that that is wrong. Um,
I

9120
03:08:52,150 --> 03:08:52,160
I
 

9121
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:55,030
I
like I said, I think that uh dissecting

9122
03:08:55,030 --> 03:08:55,040
like I said, I think that uh dissecting
 

9123
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:58,389
like I said, I think that uh dissecting
it, a lot of people will instantly

9124
03:08:58,389 --> 03:08:58,399
it, a lot of people will instantly
 

9125
03:08:58,399 --> 03:09:01,190
it, a lot of people will instantly
feel uncomfortable because the topic of

9126
03:09:01,190 --> 03:09:01,200
feel uncomfortable because the topic of
 

9127
03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:03,349
feel uncomfortable because the topic of
anything sexual can make a lot of people

9128
03:09:03,349 --> 03:09:03,359
anything sexual can make a lot of people
 

9129
03:09:03,359 --> 03:09:04,790
anything sexual can make a lot of people
uncomfortable.

9130
03:09:04,790 --> 03:09:04,800
uncomfortable.
 

9131
03:09:04,800 --> 03:09:07,590
uncomfortable.
>> Um, so I I think a lot of people will

9132
03:09:07,590 --> 03:09:07,600
>> Um, so I I think a lot of people will
 

9133
03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:11,590
>> Um, so I I think a lot of people will
not want to hear this next part, but I

9134
03:09:11,590 --> 03:09:11,600
not want to hear this next part, but I
 

9135
03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:15,830
not want to hear this next part, but I
think that there is a lot of

9136
03:09:15,830 --> 03:09:15,840
think that there is a lot of
 

9137
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:17,910
think that there is a lot of
there's a lot of gray. There's a lot of

9138
03:09:17,910 --> 03:09:17,920
there's a lot of gray. There's a lot of
 

9139
03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:20,469
there's a lot of gray. There's a lot of
differences and variables in all this.

9140
03:09:20,469 --> 03:09:20,479
differences and variables in all this.
 

9141
03:09:20,479 --> 03:09:23,670
differences and variables in all this.
>> I don't think it's necessarily that um

9142
03:09:23,670 --> 03:09:23,680
>> I don't think it's necessarily that um
 

9143
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:26,710
>> I don't think it's necessarily that um
like Smolder the Dragon from My Little

9144
03:09:26,710 --> 03:09:26,720
like Smolder the Dragon from My Little
 

9145
03:09:26,720 --> 03:09:29,830
like Smolder the Dragon from My Little
Pony when Woot Master uh looks at art of

9146
03:09:29,830 --> 03:09:29,840
Pony when Woot Master uh looks at art of
 

9147
03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:31,670
Pony when Woot Master uh looks at art of
them or whatever. I don't think it's

9148
03:09:31,670 --> 03:09:31,680
them or whatever. I don't think it's
 

9149
03:09:31,680 --> 03:09:35,670
them or whatever. I don't think it's
necessarily the fact that they are um

9150
03:09:35,670 --> 03:09:35,680
necessarily the fact that they are um
 

9151
03:09:35,680 --> 03:09:39,349
necessarily the fact that they are um
like a minor character that

9152
03:09:39,349 --> 03:09:39,359
like a minor character that
 

9153
03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:43,030
like a minor character that
is why he he

9154
03:09:43,030 --> 03:09:43,040
is why he he
 

9155
03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:46,230
is why he he
wants to have see art of that. I I think

9156
03:09:46,230 --> 03:09:46,240
wants to have see art of that. I I think
 

9157
03:09:46,240 --> 03:09:47,830
wants to have see art of that. I I think
there's a lot of different variables

9158
03:09:47,830 --> 03:09:47,840
there's a lot of different variables
 

9159
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:50,870
there's a lot of different variables
where

9160
03:09:50,870 --> 03:09:50,880

 

9161
03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:52,309

and it's uncomfortable for me to talk

9162
03:09:52,309 --> 03:09:52,319
and it's uncomfortable for me to talk
 

9163
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:54,630
and it's uncomfortable for me to talk
about too. I don't like defending. I I

9164
03:09:54,630 --> 03:09:54,640
about too. I don't like defending. I I
 

9165
03:09:54,640 --> 03:09:56,870
about too. I don't like defending. I I
don't I don't want a side in the war. I

9166
03:09:56,870 --> 03:09:56,880
don't I don't want a side in the war. I
 

9167
03:09:56,880 --> 03:09:59,110
don't I don't want a side in the war. I
just don't think he's a bad person. I

9168
03:09:59,110 --> 03:09:59,120
just don't think he's a bad person. I
 

9169
03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:02,469
just don't think he's a bad person. I
don't think he's hurt anyone. Um but I

9170
03:10:02,469 --> 03:10:02,479
don't think he's hurt anyone. Um but I
 

9171
03:10:02,479 --> 03:10:04,950
don't think he's hurt anyone. Um but I
think that but to explain why I think it

9172
03:10:04,950 --> 03:10:04,960
think that but to explain why I think it
 

9173
03:10:04,960 --> 03:10:09,750
think that but to explain why I think it
is different um from

9174
03:10:09,750 --> 03:10:09,760
is different um from
 

9175
03:10:09,760 --> 03:10:12,230
is different um from
uh

9176
03:10:12,230 --> 03:10:12,240
uh
 

9177
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:13,750
uh
sorry what what was your question again?

9178
03:10:13,750 --> 03:10:13,760
sorry what what was your question again?
 

9179
03:10:13,760 --> 03:10:16,469
sorry what what was your question again?
I'm sorry. I I'm asking if you can see

9180
03:10:16,469 --> 03:10:16,479
I'm sorry. I I'm asking if you can see
 

9181
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,309
I'm sorry. I I'm asking if you can see
to the fact that like Whoop Master's

9182
03:10:18,309 --> 03:10:18,319
to the fact that like Whoop Master's
 

9183
03:10:18,319 --> 03:10:20,469
to the fact that like Whoop Master's
artwork and the past artwork he's made

9184
03:10:20,469 --> 03:10:20,479
artwork and the past artwork he's made
 

9185
03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:23,590
artwork and the past artwork he's made
that has been controversial normalizes

9186
03:10:23,590 --> 03:10:23,600
that has been controversial normalizes
 

9187
03:10:23,600 --> 03:10:25,269
that has been controversial normalizes
certain things that are harmful and

9188
03:10:25,269 --> 03:10:25,279
certain things that are harmful and
 

9189
03:10:25,279 --> 03:10:27,990
certain things that are harmful and
therefore shouldn't be defended.

9190
03:10:27,990 --> 03:10:28,000
therefore shouldn't be defended.
 

9191
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:29,910
therefore shouldn't be defended.
>> Yeah. So

9192
03:10:29,910 --> 03:10:29,920
>> Yeah. So
 

9193
03:10:29,920 --> 03:10:33,030
>> Yeah. So
I I would compare that to like people

9194
03:10:33,030 --> 03:10:33,040
I I would compare that to like people
 

9195
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:36,550
I I would compare that to like people
that make like gore art. Like you would

9196
03:10:36,550 --> 03:10:36,560
that make like gore art. Like you would
 

9197
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:38,389
that make like gore art. Like you would
you make the argument that that is

9198
03:10:38,389 --> 03:10:38,399
you make the argument that that is
 

9199
03:10:38,399 --> 03:10:41,030
you make the argument that that is
normalizing murder and therefore people

9200
03:10:41,030 --> 03:10:41,040
normalizing murder and therefore people
 

9201
03:10:41,040 --> 03:10:43,429
normalizing murder and therefore people
are going to be more likely to murder? I

9202
03:10:43,429 --> 03:10:43,439
are going to be more likely to murder? I
 

9203
03:10:43,439 --> 03:10:47,030
are going to be more likely to murder? I
I I I think that is while people don't

9204
03:10:47,030 --> 03:10:47,040
I I I think that is while people don't
 

9205
03:10:47,040 --> 03:10:49,750
I I I think that is while people don't
want to see it that way. It is kind of

9206
03:10:49,750 --> 03:10:49,760
want to see it that way. It is kind of
 

9207
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:52,070
want to see it that way. It is kind of
one for one like pe people think it's

9208
03:10:52,070 --> 03:10:52,080
one for one like pe people think it's
 

9209
03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:53,670
one for one like pe people think it's
different

9210
03:10:53,670 --> 03:10:53,680
different
 

9211
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:56,469
different
but that perception is just that one is

9212
03:10:56,469 --> 03:10:56,479
but that perception is just that one is
 

9213
03:10:56,479 --> 03:11:00,070
but that perception is just that one is
normal to draw and one isn't. I think

9214
03:11:00,070 --> 03:11:00,080
normal to draw and one isn't. I think
 

9215
03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:02,630
normal to draw and one isn't. I think
maybe it does normalize it in a way and

9216
03:11:02,630 --> 03:11:02,640
maybe it does normalize it in a way and
 

9217
03:11:02,640 --> 03:11:04,790
maybe it does normalize it in a way and
maybe that is bad but I don't know

9218
03:11:04,790 --> 03:11:04,800
maybe that is bad but I don't know
 

9219
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:07,269
maybe that is bad but I don't know
enough to determine that that is

9220
03:11:07,269 --> 03:11:07,279
enough to determine that that is
 

9221
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:09,110
enough to determine that that is
happening. I just think that there are

9222
03:11:09,110 --> 03:11:09,120
happening. I just think that there are
 

9223
03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:11,990
happening. I just think that there are
certain venues where if you want to do

9224
03:11:11,990 --> 03:11:12,000
certain venues where if you want to do
 

9225
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:15,429
certain venues where if you want to do
that, go for it. I don't As long as it's

9226
03:11:15,429 --> 03:11:15,439
that, go for it. I don't As long as it's
 

9227
03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:18,790
that, go for it. I don't As long as it's
not hurting anyone, if it's not like

9228
03:11:18,790 --> 03:11:18,800
not hurting anyone, if it's not like
 

9229
03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:21,190
not hurting anyone, if it's not like
if it's not of a real person who is not

9230
03:11:21,190 --> 03:11:21,200
if it's not of a real person who is not
 

9231
03:11:21,200 --> 03:11:23,110
if it's not of a real person who is not
consenting to that or is a child and

9232
03:11:23,110 --> 03:11:23,120
consenting to that or is a child and
 

9233
03:11:23,120 --> 03:11:24,950
consenting to that or is a child and
therefore can't consent to that.

9234
03:11:24,950 --> 03:11:24,960
therefore can't consent to that.
 

9235
03:11:24,960 --> 03:11:25,429
therefore can't consent to that.
>> Mhm.

9236
03:11:25,429 --> 03:11:25,439
>> Mhm.
 

9237
03:11:25,439 --> 03:11:30,150
>> Mhm.
>> I I don't really care if uh a cartoon

9238
03:11:30,150 --> 03:11:30,160
>> I I don't really care if uh a cartoon
 

9239
03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:33,830
>> I I don't really care if uh a cartoon
dragon is being harmed because they

9240
03:11:33,830 --> 03:11:33,840
dragon is being harmed because they
 

9241
03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,429
dragon is being harmed because they
aren't being harmed because they're not

9242
03:11:35,429 --> 03:11:35,439
aren't being harmed because they're not
 

9243
03:11:35,439 --> 03:11:40,309
aren't being harmed because they're not
real. Um, so it it but in the sense of

9244
03:11:40,309 --> 03:11:40,319
real. Um, so it it but in the sense of
 

9245
03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:42,150
real. Um, so it it but in the sense of
it being normalized, I guess I don't

9246
03:11:42,150 --> 03:11:42,160
it being normalized, I guess I don't
 

9247
03:11:42,160 --> 03:11:47,030
it being normalized, I guess I don't
know for certain that it is helping um

9248
03:11:47,030 --> 03:11:47,040
know for certain that it is helping um
 

9249
03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:49,990
know for certain that it is helping um
actual predators get away with anything.

9250
03:11:49,990 --> 03:11:50,000
actual predators get away with anything.
 

9251
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:52,630
actual predators get away with anything.
>> I I think that like things like Grand

9252
03:11:52,630 --> 03:11:52,640
>> I I think that like things like Grand
 

9253
03:11:52,640 --> 03:11:54,070
>> I I think that like things like Grand
Theft Auto, I think that there are

9254
03:11:54,070 --> 03:11:54,080
Theft Auto, I think that there are
 

9255
03:11:54,080 --> 03:11:55,990
Theft Auto, I think that there are
violent people that really like violent

9256
03:11:55,990 --> 03:11:56,000
violent people that really like violent
 

9257
03:11:56,000 --> 03:11:57,349
violent people that really like violent
games, but I don't think the violent

9258
03:11:57,349 --> 03:11:57,359
games, but I don't think the violent
 

9259
03:11:57,359 --> 03:11:59,269
games, but I don't think the violent
games made them violent people, you

9260
03:11:59,269 --> 03:11:59,279
games made them violent people, you
 

9261
03:11:59,279 --> 03:12:02,790
games made them violent people, you
know? I suppose so, but I think it's

9262
03:12:02,790 --> 03:12:02,800
know? I suppose so, but I think it's
 

9263
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:05,590
know? I suppose so, but I think it's
more so how that artwork is being

9264
03:12:05,590 --> 03:12:05,600
more so how that artwork is being
 

9265
03:12:05,600 --> 03:12:08,230
more so how that artwork is being
utilized, right? Like when people use

9266
03:12:08,230 --> 03:12:08,240
utilized, right? Like when people use
 

9267
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:10,070
utilized, right? Like when people use
Grand Theft Auto, they don't use that as

9268
03:12:10,070 --> 03:12:10,080
Grand Theft Auto, they don't use that as
 

9269
03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:11,990
Grand Theft Auto, they don't use that as
like a simulation to things that they're

9270
03:12:11,990 --> 03:12:12,000
like a simulation to things that they're
 

9271
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:16,150
like a simulation to things that they're
going to, you know, do bad things in the

9272
03:12:16,150 --> 03:12:16,160
going to, you know, do bad things in the
 

9273
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:16,630
going to, you know, do bad things in the
future.

9274
03:12:16,630 --> 03:12:16,640
future.
 

9275
03:12:16,640 --> 03:12:19,269
future.
>> I agree. I I don't think that Woot is

9276
03:12:19,269 --> 03:12:19,279
>> I agree. I I don't think that Woot is
 

9277
03:12:19,279 --> 03:12:22,469
>> I agree. I I don't think that Woot is
going to do the things either. I I don't

9278
03:12:22,469 --> 03:12:22,479
going to do the things either. I I don't
 

9279
03:12:22,479 --> 03:12:24,710
going to do the things either. I I don't
I I think it's the same in that regard,

9280
03:12:24,710 --> 03:12:24,720
I I think it's the same in that regard,
 

9281
03:12:24,720 --> 03:12:26,070
I I think it's the same in that regard,
too.

9282
03:12:26,070 --> 03:12:26,080
too.
 

9283
03:12:26,080 --> 03:12:29,590
too.
>> Sure. But like why even introduce a

9284
03:12:29,590 --> 03:12:29,600
>> Sure. But like why even introduce a
 

9285
03:12:29,600 --> 03:12:31,590
>> Sure. But like why even introduce a
sexual element to minor characters at

9286
03:12:31,590 --> 03:12:31,600
sexual element to minor characters at
 

9287
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:34,710
sexual element to minor characters at
all? Like that doesn't seem very

9288
03:12:34,710 --> 03:12:34,720
all? Like that doesn't seem very
 

9289
03:12:34,720 --> 03:12:36,389
all? Like that doesn't seem very
necessary. Like you can sexualize

9290
03:12:36,389 --> 03:12:36,399
necessary. Like you can sexualize
 

9291
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:38,150
necessary. Like you can sexualize
characters that are adults and that's

9292
03:12:38,150 --> 03:12:38,160
characters that are adults and that's
 

9293
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:39,910
characters that are adults and that's
like you know they're in the territory

9294
03:12:39,910 --> 03:12:39,920
like you know they're in the territory
 

9295
03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:41,670
like you know they're in the territory
of that to do so. But most people are

9296
03:12:41,670 --> 03:12:41,680
of that to do so. But most people are
 

9297
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:43,830
of that to do so. But most people are
just like these are the essentially

9298
03:12:43,830 --> 03:12:43,840
just like these are the essentially
 

9299
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,070
just like these are the essentially
lolly lolli characters, right? Like it's

9300
03:12:46,070 --> 03:12:46,080
lolly lolli characters, right? Like it's
 

9301
03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:48,630
lolly lolli characters, right? Like it's
like do not lude the lolli. That's like

9302
03:12:48,630 --> 03:12:48,640
like do not lude the lolli. That's like
 

9303
03:12:48,640 --> 03:12:50,550
like do not lude the lolli. That's like
a big thing in most fandoms. It's like

9304
03:12:50,550 --> 03:12:50,560
a big thing in most fandoms. It's like
 

9305
03:12:50,560 --> 03:12:52,790
a big thing in most fandoms. It's like
don't [\h__\h] do that [\h__\h] Like

9306
03:12:52,790 --> 03:12:52,800
don't [\h__\h] do that [\h__\h] Like
 

9307
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,710
don't [\h__\h] do that [\h__\h] Like
>> I think it's the same argu I think it's

9308
03:12:54,710 --> 03:12:54,720
>> I think it's the same argu I think it's
 

9309
03:12:54,720 --> 03:12:56,870
>> I think it's the same argu I think it's
a slippery slope argument and I I kind

9310
03:12:56,870 --> 03:12:56,880
a slippery slope argument and I I kind
 

9311
03:12:56,880 --> 03:12:58,710
a slippery slope argument and I I kind
of hate that argument. I'm gonna be

9312
03:12:58,710 --> 03:12:58,720
of hate that argument. I'm gonna be
 

9313
03:12:58,720 --> 03:12:59,429
of hate that argument. I'm gonna be
honest like

9314
03:12:59,429 --> 03:12:59,439
honest like
 

9315
03:12:59,439 --> 03:13:00,150
honest like
>> okay

9316
03:13:00,150 --> 03:13:00,160
>> okay
 

9317
03:13:00,160 --> 03:13:02,550
>> okay
>> like like with the like with what I was

9318
03:13:02,550 --> 03:13:02,560
>> like like with the like with what I was
 

9319
03:13:02,560 --> 03:13:04,150
>> like like with the like with what I was
saying with Grand Theft Auto, the same

9320
03:13:04,150 --> 03:13:04,160
saying with Grand Theft Auto, the same
 

9321
03:13:04,160 --> 03:13:06,790
saying with Grand Theft Auto, the same
thing can also be applied where uh

9322
03:13:06,790 --> 03:13:06,800
thing can also be applied where uh
 

9323
03:13:06,800 --> 03:13:09,590
thing can also be applied where uh
people or a lot of like people were

9324
03:13:09,590 --> 03:13:09,600
people or a lot of like people were
 

9325
03:13:09,600 --> 03:13:11,429
people or a lot of like people were
upset with Grand Theft Auto for

9326
03:13:11,429 --> 03:13:11,439
upset with Grand Theft Auto for
 

9327
03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:13,990
upset with Grand Theft Auto for
depicting violence and allowing you to

9328
03:13:13,990 --> 03:13:14,000
depicting violence and allowing you to
 

9329
03:13:14,000 --> 03:13:15,670
depicting violence and allowing you to
play as it and they were saying that

9330
03:13:15,670 --> 03:13:15,680
play as it and they were saying that
 

9331
03:13:15,680 --> 03:13:18,309
play as it and they were saying that
this was going to lead to more violence.

9332
03:13:18,309 --> 03:13:18,319
this was going to lead to more violence.
 

9333
03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:20,309
this was going to lead to more violence.
Um, and you could make the same

9334
03:13:20,309 --> 03:13:20,319
Um, and you could make the same
 

9335
03:13:20,319 --> 03:13:23,030
Um, and you could make the same
arguments for that where okay, well, why

9336
03:13:23,030 --> 03:13:23,040
arguments for that where okay, well, why
 

9337
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:25,750
arguments for that where okay, well, why
would you uh need to do that when you

9338
03:13:25,750 --> 03:13:25,760
would you uh need to do that when you
 

9339
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:27,750
would you uh need to do that when you
could have a game where you are nice to

9340
03:13:27,750 --> 03:13:27,760
could have a game where you are nice to
 

9341
03:13:27,760 --> 03:13:29,030
could have a game where you are nice to
everyone?

9342
03:13:29,030 --> 03:13:29,040
everyone?
 

9343
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:32,710
everyone?
>> Why does it have to be an option? Um,

9344
03:13:32,710 --> 03:13:32,720
>> Why does it have to be an option? Um,
 

9345
03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:35,190
>> Why does it have to be an option? Um,
I I don't think it is necessarily a

9346
03:13:35,190 --> 03:13:35,200
I I don't think it is necessarily a
 

9347
03:13:35,200 --> 03:13:39,110
I I don't think it is necessarily a
desire to do these things in real life.

9348
03:13:39,110 --> 03:13:39,120
desire to do these things in real life.
 

9349
03:13:39,120 --> 03:13:40,950
desire to do these things in real life.
I don't think it has to translate to

9350
03:13:40,950 --> 03:13:40,960
I don't think it has to translate to
 

9351
03:13:40,960 --> 03:13:43,190
I don't think it has to translate to
that. And I think that people who do

9352
03:13:43,190 --> 03:13:43,200
that. And I think that people who do
 

9353
03:13:43,200 --> 03:13:45,429
that. And I think that people who do
have those inclinations

9354
03:13:45,429 --> 03:13:45,439
have those inclinations
 

9355
03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:49,349
have those inclinations
were going to also gravitate to doing

9356
03:13:49,349 --> 03:13:49,359
were going to also gravitate to doing
 

9357
03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:52,870
were going to also gravitate to doing
this out of real life anyways.

9358
03:13:52,870 --> 03:13:52,880
this out of real life anyways.
 

9359
03:13:52,880 --> 03:13:56,150
this out of real life anyways.
>> Uh I don't think I I don't think I I I

9360
03:13:56,150 --> 03:13:56,160
>> Uh I don't think I I don't think I I I
 

9361
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:59,030
>> Uh I don't think I I don't think I I I
honestly I think there might be

9362
03:13:59,030 --> 03:13:59,040
honestly I think there might be
 

9363
03:13:59,040 --> 03:14:02,710
honestly I think there might be
something to it being so common and

9364
03:14:02,710 --> 03:14:02,720
something to it being so common and
 

9365
03:14:02,720 --> 03:14:07,190
something to it being so common and
accepted that it becomes so widespread

9366
03:14:07,190 --> 03:14:07,200
accepted that it becomes so widespread
 

9367
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:10,150
accepted that it becomes so widespread
that people get away with more. I I

9368
03:14:10,150 --> 03:14:10,160
that people get away with more. I I
 

9369
03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:12,790
that people get away with more. I I
think that could be a possibility and it

9370
03:14:12,790 --> 03:14:12,800
think that could be a possibility and it
 

9371
03:14:12,800 --> 03:14:15,349
think that could be a possibility and it
could that could lead to actual harm

9372
03:14:15,349 --> 03:14:15,359
could that could lead to actual harm
 

9373
03:14:15,359 --> 03:14:16,790
could that could lead to actual harm
>> like what you were comparing with the

9374
03:14:16,790 --> 03:14:16,800
>> like what you were comparing with the
 

9375
03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:19,910
>> like what you were comparing with the
Nazi situation. I can see that.

9376
03:14:19,910 --> 03:14:19,920
Nazi situation. I can see that.
 

9377
03:14:19,920 --> 03:14:22,710
Nazi situation. I can see that.
>> I just can't confirm that that is

9378
03:14:22,710 --> 03:14:22,720
>> I just can't confirm that that is
 

9379
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:27,349
>> I just can't confirm that that is
happening. So I don't want and I also

9380
03:14:27,349 --> 03:14:27,359
happening. So I don't want and I also
 

9381
03:14:27,359 --> 03:14:30,950
happening. So I don't want and I also
feel pretty safe saying that Woot Master

9382
03:14:30,950 --> 03:14:30,960
feel pretty safe saying that Woot Master
 

9383
03:14:30,960 --> 03:14:32,950
feel pretty safe saying that Woot Master
isn't a predator,

9384
03:14:32,950 --> 03:14:32,960
isn't a predator,
 

9385
03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:33,349
isn't a predator,
>> right?

9386
03:14:33,349 --> 03:14:33,359
>> right?
 

9387
03:14:33,359 --> 03:14:36,950
>> right?
>> So I don't want to condemn him for that.

9388
03:14:36,950 --> 03:14:36,960
>> So I don't want to condemn him for that.
 

9389
03:14:36,960 --> 03:14:40,309
>> So I don't want to condemn him for that.
And when he has fought for people,

9390
03:14:40,309 --> 03:14:40,319
And when he has fought for people,
 

9391
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:42,389
And when he has fought for people,
uh I don't want to dismiss that just

9392
03:14:42,389 --> 03:14:42,399
uh I don't want to dismiss that just
 

9393
03:14:42,399 --> 03:14:44,229
uh I don't want to dismiss that just
because people are uncomfortable with

9394
03:14:44,229 --> 03:14:44,239
because people are uncomfortable with
 

9395
03:14:44,239 --> 03:14:45,990
because people are uncomfortable with
some of the things he does separate to

9396
03:14:45,990 --> 03:14:46,000
some of the things he does separate to
 

9397
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:47,110
some of the things he does separate to
that.

9398
03:14:47,110 --> 03:14:47,120
that.
 

9399
03:14:47,120 --> 03:14:49,910
that.
>> Uh same like I don't want people

9400
03:14:49,910 --> 03:14:49,920
>> Uh same like I don't want people
 

9401
03:14:49,920 --> 03:14:51,990
>> Uh same like I don't want people
dismissing everything I'm talking about

9402
03:14:51,990 --> 03:14:52,000
dismissing everything I'm talking about
 

9403
03:14:52,000 --> 03:14:53,910
dismissing everything I'm talking about
just because they don't agree with

9404
03:14:53,910 --> 03:14:53,920
just because they don't agree with
 

9405
03:14:53,920 --> 03:14:57,269
just because they don't agree with
everything that it happens separately.

9406
03:14:57,269 --> 03:14:57,279
everything that it happens separately.
 

9407
03:14:57,279 --> 03:15:00,870
everything that it happens separately.
like I I I don't feel that I've given

9408
03:15:00,870 --> 03:15:00,880
like I I I don't feel that I've given
 

9409
03:15:00,880 --> 03:15:04,229
like I I I don't feel that I've given
anyone reason to distrust me and people

9410
03:15:04,229 --> 03:15:04,239
anyone reason to distrust me and people
 

9411
03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:07,830
anyone reason to distrust me and people
act like I have.

9412
03:15:07,830 --> 03:15:07,840
act like I have.
 

9413
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:11,510
act like I have.
So I would give the same courtesy to I

9414
03:15:11,510 --> 03:15:11,520
So I would give the same courtesy to I
 

9415
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:13,510
So I would give the same courtesy to I
don't feel like he has given anyone

9416
03:15:13,510 --> 03:15:13,520
don't feel like he has given anyone
 

9417
03:15:13,520 --> 03:15:17,030
don't feel like he has given anyone
reason to believe that he is going to do

9418
03:15:17,030 --> 03:15:17,040
reason to believe that he is going to do
 

9419
03:15:17,040 --> 03:15:20,710
reason to believe that he is going to do
anything with an actual minor or that he

9420
03:15:20,710 --> 03:15:20,720
anything with an actual minor or that he
 

9421
03:15:20,720 --> 03:15:22,790
anything with an actual minor or that he
is untrustworthy when it comes to other

9422
03:15:22,790 --> 03:15:22,800
is untrustworthy when it comes to other
 

9423
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:24,790
is untrustworthy when it comes to other
things that he talks about.

9424
03:15:24,790 --> 03:15:24,800
things that he talks about.
 

9425
03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:27,429
things that he talks about.
So I don't believe that I should condemn

9426
03:15:27,429 --> 03:15:27,439
So I don't believe that I should condemn
 

9427
03:15:27,439 --> 03:15:29,110
So I don't believe that I should condemn
him just because people are

9428
03:15:29,110 --> 03:15:29,120
him just because people are
 

9429
03:15:29,120 --> 03:15:31,349
him just because people are
uncomfortable with him for other things

9430
03:15:31,349 --> 03:15:31,359
uncomfortable with him for other things
 

9431
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:34,229
uncomfortable with him for other things
that he's not doing directly to them.

9432
03:15:34,229 --> 03:15:34,239
that he's not doing directly to them.
 

9433
03:15:34,239 --> 03:15:35,750
that he's not doing directly to them.
>> Right.

9434
03:15:35,750 --> 03:15:35,760
>> Right.
 

9435
03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:37,349
>> Right.
Well, I suppose to put it into the

9436
03:15:37,349 --> 03:15:37,359
Well, I suppose to put it into the
 

9437
03:15:37,359 --> 03:15:39,349
Well, I suppose to put it into the
little bit of perspective like artwork

9438
03:15:39,349 --> 03:15:39,359
little bit of perspective like artwork
 

9439
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:41,269
little bit of perspective like artwork
like Woots where it's like minor

9440
03:15:41,269 --> 03:15:41,279
like Woots where it's like minor
 

9441
03:15:41,279 --> 03:15:42,950
like Woots where it's like minor
characters being drawn sexually have

9442
03:15:42,950 --> 03:15:42,960
characters being drawn sexually have
 

9443
03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:45,269
characters being drawn sexually have
been used to groom people. Am I saying

9444
03:15:45,269 --> 03:15:45,279
been used to groom people. Am I saying
 

9445
03:15:45,279 --> 03:15:47,590
been used to groom people. Am I saying
he's necessarily doing that? No. But

9446
03:15:47,590 --> 03:15:47,600
he's necessarily doing that? No. But
 

9447
03:15:47,600 --> 03:15:49,590
he's necessarily doing that? No. But
adding to the plethora of other [\h__\h]

9448
03:15:49,590 --> 03:15:49,600
adding to the plethora of other [\h__\h]
 

9449
03:15:49,600 --> 03:15:51,190
adding to the plethora of other [\h__\h]
that's on the internet that's being used

9450
03:15:51,190 --> 03:15:51,200
that's on the internet that's being used
 

9451
03:15:51,200 --> 03:15:53,990
that's on the internet that's being used
to groom minors isn't really the legacy

9452
03:15:53,990 --> 03:15:54,000
to groom minors isn't really the legacy
 

9453
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:55,590
to groom minors isn't really the legacy
I would like to have. I wouldn't like to

9454
03:15:55,590 --> 03:15:55,600
I would like to have. I wouldn't like to
 

9455
03:15:55,600 --> 03:15:57,990
I would like to have. I wouldn't like to
have that legacy of like, oh, my artwork

9456
03:15:57,990 --> 03:15:58,000
have that legacy of like, oh, my artwork
 

9457
03:15:58,000 --> 03:15:59,830
have that legacy of like, oh, my artwork
was used by predators to groom other

9458
03:15:59,830 --> 03:15:59,840
was used by predators to groom other
 

9459
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:01,910
was used by predators to groom other
kids because I normalize the idea of

9460
03:16:01,910 --> 03:16:01,920
kids because I normalize the idea of
 

9461
03:16:01,920 --> 03:16:05,110
kids because I normalize the idea of
kids having sex. Like that that's just

9462
03:16:05,110 --> 03:16:05,120
kids having sex. Like that that's just
 

9463
03:16:05,120 --> 03:16:06,229
kids having sex. Like that that's just
me, I suppose.

9464
03:16:06,229 --> 03:16:06,239
me, I suppose.
 

9465
03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:08,389
me, I suppose.
>> I I I think personally I would just

9466
03:16:08,389 --> 03:16:08,399
>> I I I think personally I would just
 

9467
03:16:08,399 --> 03:16:10,630
>> I I I think personally I would just
condemn the people that are doing that.

9468
03:16:10,630 --> 03:16:10,640
condemn the people that are doing that.
 

9469
03:16:10,640 --> 03:16:12,950
condemn the people that are doing that.
If if there are people, and I know there

9470
03:16:12,950 --> 03:16:12,960
If if there are people, and I know there
 

9471
03:16:12,960 --> 03:16:14,710
If if there are people, and I know there
are, don't get me wrong, I know there

9472
03:16:14,710 --> 03:16:14,720
are, don't get me wrong, I know there
 

9473
03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:17,429
are, don't get me wrong, I know there
are people that use artwork to groom

9474
03:16:17,429 --> 03:16:17,439
are people that use artwork to groom
 

9475
03:16:17,439 --> 03:16:19,670
are people that use artwork to groom
people, and I think the people that do

9476
03:16:19,670 --> 03:16:19,680
people, and I think the people that do
 

9477
03:16:19,680 --> 03:16:23,429
people, and I think the people that do
that should be condemned wholeheartedly.

9478
03:16:23,429 --> 03:16:23,439
that should be condemned wholeheartedly.
 

9479
03:16:23,439 --> 03:16:23,990
that should be condemned wholeheartedly.
>> Mhm.

9480
03:16:23,990 --> 03:16:24,000
>> Mhm.
 

9481
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:27,110
>> Mhm.
>> I I just think that

9482
03:16:27,110 --> 03:16:27,120
>> I I just think that
 

9483
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:31,590
>> I I just think that
it's taking that and then adding uh more

9484
03:16:31,590 --> 03:16:31,600
it's taking that and then adding uh more
 

9485
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:33,349
it's taking that and then adding uh more
on top of it

9486
03:16:33,349 --> 03:16:33,359
on top of it
 

9487
03:16:33,359 --> 03:16:36,550
on top of it
>> out of caution. And maybe that caution

9488
03:16:36,550 --> 03:16:36,560
>> out of caution. And maybe that caution
 

9489
03:16:36,560 --> 03:16:39,429
>> out of caution. And maybe that caution
is warranted. I'm not saying it's I'm

9490
03:16:39,429 --> 03:16:39,439
is warranted. I'm not saying it's I'm
 

9491
03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:41,510
is warranted. I'm not saying it's I'm
not saying there's no I'm not saying

9492
03:16:41,510 --> 03:16:41,520
not saying there's no I'm not saying
 

9493
03:16:41,520 --> 03:16:43,910
not saying there's no I'm not saying
that you don't have any point at all,

9494
03:16:43,910 --> 03:16:43,920
that you don't have any point at all,
 

9495
03:16:43,920 --> 03:16:44,550
that you don't have any point at all,
>> right?

9496
03:16:44,550 --> 03:16:44,560
>> right?
 

9497
03:16:44,560 --> 03:16:46,870
>> right?
>> I'm just saying that

9498
03:16:46,870 --> 03:16:46,880
>> I'm just saying that
 

9499
03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:49,750
>> I'm just saying that
we can condemn the people grooming

9500
03:16:49,750 --> 03:16:49,760
we can condemn the people grooming
 

9501
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:55,269
we can condemn the people grooming
people and I think we should. Um

9502
03:16:55,269 --> 03:16:55,279
people and I think we should. Um
 

9503
03:16:55,279 --> 03:16:57,429
people and I think we should. Um
I I I just don't think that Woot Master

9504
03:16:57,429 --> 03:16:57,439
I I I just don't think that Woot Master
 

9505
03:16:57,439 --> 03:16:59,990
I I I just don't think that Woot Master
is doing that. So I don't feel the need

9506
03:16:59,990 --> 03:17:00,000
is doing that. So I don't feel the need
 

9507
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:01,429
is doing that. So I don't feel the need
to condemn him.

9508
03:17:01,429 --> 03:17:01,439
to condemn him.
 

9509
03:17:01,439 --> 03:17:04,070
to condemn him.
>> Okay.

9510
03:17:04,070 --> 03:17:04,080
>> Okay.
 

9511
03:17:04,080 --> 03:17:05,349
>> Okay.
All right. I mean, I guess that's where

9512
03:17:05,349 --> 03:17:05,359
All right. I mean, I guess that's where
 

9513
03:17:05,359 --> 03:17:07,190
All right. I mean, I guess that's where
we just kind of agree to disagree, I

9514
03:17:07,190 --> 03:17:07,200
we just kind of agree to disagree, I
 

9515
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:09,510
we just kind of agree to disagree, I
suppose. Um, was there anything else

9516
03:17:09,510 --> 03:17:09,520
suppose. Um, was there anything else
 

9517
03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:11,670
suppose. Um, was there anything else
that you wanted to bring up or talk

9518
03:17:11,670 --> 03:17:11,680
that you wanted to bring up or talk
 

9519
03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:15,510
that you wanted to bring up or talk
about? Um, uh, any future plans that you

9520
03:17:15,510 --> 03:17:15,520
about? Um, uh, any future plans that you
 

9521
03:17:15,520 --> 03:17:17,510
about? Um, uh, any future plans that you
have like what's your current operative

9522
03:17:17,510 --> 03:17:17,520
have like what's your current operative
 

9523
03:17:17,520 --> 03:17:20,550
have like what's your current operative
at this moment?

9524
03:17:20,550 --> 03:17:20,560
at this moment?
 

9525
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:25,110
at this moment?
>> I don't have many uh, when it comes to

9526
03:17:25,110 --> 03:17:25,120
>> I don't have many uh, when it comes to
 

9527
03:17:25,120 --> 03:17:29,269
>> I don't have many uh, when it comes to
Brony Phantom, I don't have any plans.

9528
03:17:29,269 --> 03:17:29,279
Brony Phantom, I don't have any plans.
 

9529
03:17:29,279 --> 03:17:33,910
Brony Phantom, I don't have any plans.
Um, I I um

9530
03:17:33,910 --> 03:17:33,920
Um, I I um
 

9531
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:35,910
Um, I I um
if there's more information that comes

9532
03:17:35,910 --> 03:17:35,920
if there's more information that comes
 

9533
03:17:35,920 --> 03:17:38,630
if there's more information that comes
to light, I want to present it to people

9534
03:17:38,630 --> 03:17:38,640
to light, I want to present it to people
 

9535
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:40,630
to light, I want to present it to people
and I want to get people back on track

9536
03:17:40,630 --> 03:17:40,640
and I want to get people back on track
 

9537
03:17:40,640 --> 03:17:42,389
and I want to get people back on track
with

9538
03:17:42,389 --> 03:17:42,399
with
 

9539
03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:44,229
with
making sure that people don't get away

9540
03:17:44,229 --> 03:17:44,239
making sure that people don't get away
 

9541
03:17:44,239 --> 03:17:46,550
making sure that people don't get away
with horrendous things because when they

9542
03:17:46,550 --> 03:17:46,560
with horrendous things because when they
 

9543
03:17:46,560 --> 03:17:49,269
with horrendous things because when they
do, people get hurt and then it becomes

9544
03:17:49,269 --> 03:17:49,279
do, people get hurt and then it becomes
 

9545
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:52,630
do, people get hurt and then it becomes
normalized. I I understand that people

9546
03:17:52,630 --> 03:17:52,640
normalized. I I understand that people
 

9547
03:17:52,640 --> 03:17:54,389
normalized. I I understand that people
will interpret that as hypocritical. I

9548
03:17:54,389 --> 03:17:54,399
will interpret that as hypocritical. I
 

9549
03:17:54,399 --> 03:17:58,070
will interpret that as hypocritical. I
just I I just don't see the artwork as

9550
03:17:58,070 --> 03:17:58,080
just I I just don't see the artwork as
 

9551
03:17:58,080 --> 03:18:02,229
just I I just don't see the artwork as
inherently harmful. Um

9552
03:18:02,229 --> 03:18:02,239
inherently harmful. Um
 

9553
03:18:02,239 --> 03:18:05,349
inherently harmful. Um
I but I do think that

9554
03:18:05,349 --> 03:18:05,359
I but I do think that
 

9555
03:18:05,359 --> 03:18:08,389
I but I do think that
uh being inappropriate with actual

9556
03:18:08,389 --> 03:18:08,399
uh being inappropriate with actual
 

9557
03:18:08,399 --> 03:18:11,510
uh being inappropriate with actual
children uh repeatedly and also

9558
03:18:11,510 --> 03:18:11,520
children uh repeatedly and also
 

9559
03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:15,910
children uh repeatedly and also
allegedly sending minors your penis

9560
03:18:15,910 --> 03:18:15,920
allegedly sending minors your penis
 

9561
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:18,870
allegedly sending minors your penis
is inherently harmful and in a lot less

9562
03:18:18,870 --> 03:18:18,880
is inherently harmful and in a lot less
 

9563
03:18:18,880 --> 03:18:22,309
is inherently harmful and in a lot less
of a gray area. Uh, so I want to make

9564
03:18:22,309 --> 03:18:22,319
of a gray area. Uh, so I want to make
 

9565
03:18:22,319 --> 03:18:24,229
of a gray area. Uh, so I want to make
sure that

9566
03:18:24,229 --> 03:18:24,239
sure that
 

9567
03:18:24,239 --> 03:18:28,630
sure that
that doesn't get a pass. Um, and uh, the

9568
03:18:28,630 --> 03:18:28,640
that doesn't get a pass. Um, and uh, the
 

9569
03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:32,150
that doesn't get a pass. Um, and uh, the
racist comments and posts and likes and

9570
03:18:32,150 --> 03:18:32,160
racist comments and posts and likes and
 

9571
03:18:32,160 --> 03:18:33,349
racist comments and posts and likes and
videos.

9572
03:18:33,349 --> 03:18:33,359
videos.
 

9573
03:18:33,359 --> 03:18:34,710
videos.
>> Mhm.

9574
03:18:34,710 --> 03:18:34,720
>> Mhm.
 

9575
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:38,469
>> Mhm.
>> And anyone who acts like it is fine. I

9576
03:18:38,469 --> 03:18:38,479
>> And anyone who acts like it is fine. I
 

9577
03:18:38,479 --> 03:18:40,150
>> And anyone who acts like it is fine. I
don't want them to get a pass. I want

9578
03:18:40,150 --> 03:18:40,160
don't want them to get a pass. I want
 

9579
03:18:40,160 --> 03:18:43,269
don't want them to get a pass. I want
this to be Look how bad this is.

9580
03:18:43,269 --> 03:18:43,279
this to be Look how bad this is.
 

9581
03:18:43,279 --> 03:18:45,510
this to be Look how bad this is.
Everyone is on board knowing how bad it

9582
03:18:45,510 --> 03:18:45,520
Everyone is on board knowing how bad it
 

9583
03:18:45,520 --> 03:18:47,190
Everyone is on board knowing how bad it
is.

9584
03:18:47,190 --> 03:18:47,200
is.
 

9585
03:18:47,200 --> 03:18:50,229
is.
So no. So it it it stops being a problem

9586
03:18:50,229 --> 03:18:50,239
So no. So it it it stops being a problem
 

9587
03:18:50,239 --> 03:18:52,150
So no. So it it it stops being a problem
that people have to face because

9588
03:18:52,150 --> 03:18:52,160
that people have to face because
 

9589
03:18:52,160 --> 03:18:54,389
that people have to face because
everyone's on the same page that this

9590
03:18:54,389 --> 03:18:54,399
everyone's on the same page that this
 

9591
03:18:54,399 --> 03:18:55,670
everyone's on the same page that this
isn't okay,

9592
03:18:55,670 --> 03:18:55,680
isn't okay,
 

9593
03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:57,670
isn't okay,
>> right?

9594
03:18:57,670 --> 03:18:57,680
>> right?
 

9595
03:18:57,680 --> 03:18:59,670
>> right?
>> Do you at least concede to the fact that

9596
03:18:59,670 --> 03:18:59,680
>> Do you at least concede to the fact that
 

9597
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:02,309
>> Do you at least concede to the fact that
like given, you know, Destiny's account

9598
03:19:02,309 --> 03:19:02,319
like given, you know, Destiny's account
 

9599
03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:05,190
like given, you know, Destiny's account
doesn't have the actual conversations

9600
03:19:05,190 --> 03:19:05,200
doesn't have the actual conversations
 

9601
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:07,269
doesn't have the actual conversations
and even with uh the Snapchat account,

9602
03:19:07,269 --> 03:19:07,279
and even with uh the Snapchat account,
 

9603
03:19:07,279 --> 03:19:08,710
and even with uh the Snapchat account,
yes, she can prove she's talked to Black

9604
03:19:08,710 --> 03:19:08,720
yes, she can prove she's talked to Black
 

9605
03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:10,550
yes, she can prove she's talked to Black
Griffin. I'm not going to disagree that

9606
03:19:10,550 --> 03:19:10,560
Griffin. I'm not going to disagree that
 

9607
03:19:10,560 --> 03:19:13,190
Griffin. I'm not going to disagree that
that's not what's being presented, but

9608
03:19:13,190 --> 03:19:13,200
that's not what's being presented, but
 

9609
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:15,349
that's not what's being presented, but
they don't have the evidence of

9610
03:19:15,349 --> 03:19:15,359
they don't have the evidence of
 

9611
03:19:15,359 --> 03:19:17,590
they don't have the evidence of
flirtatious conversations. The only

9612
03:19:17,590 --> 03:19:17,600
flirtatious conversations. The only
 

9613
03:19:17,600 --> 03:19:19,830
flirtatious conversations. The only
thing that comes close is just the gi jy

9614
03:19:19,830 --> 03:19:19,840
thing that comes close is just the gi jy
 

9615
03:19:19,840 --> 03:19:22,389
thing that comes close is just the gi jy
stuff, which I I can't argue is not

9616
03:19:22,389 --> 03:19:22,399
stuff, which I I can't argue is not
 

9617
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:24,309
stuff, which I I can't argue is not
incredibly weird and creepy. Like I

9618
03:19:24,309 --> 03:19:24,319
incredibly weird and creepy. Like I
 

9619
03:19:24,319 --> 03:19:26,790
incredibly weird and creepy. Like I
that's that is objectively very strange.

9620
03:19:26,790 --> 03:19:26,800
that's that is objectively very strange.
 

9621
03:19:26,800 --> 03:19:28,389
that's that is objectively very strange.
>> But can you at least consider the fact

9622
03:19:28,389 --> 03:19:28,399
>> But can you at least consider the fact
 

9623
03:19:28,399 --> 03:19:30,630
>> But can you at least consider the fact
that like

9624
03:19:30,630 --> 03:19:30,640
that like
 

9625
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:32,550
that like
their stories is just that just a

9626
03:19:32,550 --> 03:19:32,560
their stories is just that just a
 

9627
03:19:32,560 --> 03:19:34,550
their stories is just that just a
testimony for now. I'm not saying that

9628
03:19:34,550 --> 03:19:34,560
testimony for now. I'm not saying that
 

9629
03:19:34,560 --> 03:19:36,389
testimony for now. I'm not saying that
they are lying. I know you say that you

9630
03:19:36,389 --> 03:19:36,399
they are lying. I know you say that you
 

9631
03:19:36,399 --> 03:19:37,750
they are lying. I know you say that you
have no reason to believe that they are

9632
03:19:37,750 --> 03:19:37,760
have no reason to believe that they are
 

9633
03:19:37,760 --> 03:19:39,830
have no reason to believe that they are
lying and I don't know them personally.

9634
03:19:39,830 --> 03:19:39,840
lying and I don't know them personally.
 

9635
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:41,670
lying and I don't know them personally.
So I can't like point and say you are

9636
03:19:41,670 --> 03:19:41,680
So I can't like point and say you are
 

9637
03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:43,030
So I can't like point and say you are
definitely a liar. I don't know. I don't

9638
03:19:43,030 --> 03:19:43,040
definitely a liar. I don't know. I don't
 

9639
03:19:43,040 --> 03:19:44,389
definitely a liar. I don't know. I don't
know these people. I've only talked

9640
03:19:44,389 --> 03:19:44,399
know these people. I've only talked
 

9641
03:19:44,399 --> 03:19:46,150
know these people. I've only talked
about them tangentially through content.

9642
03:19:46,150 --> 03:19:46,160
about them tangentially through content.
 

9643
03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:48,710
about them tangentially through content.
Like, but can you at least concede to

9644
03:19:48,710 --> 03:19:48,720
Like, but can you at least concede to
 

9645
03:19:48,720 --> 03:19:50,469
Like, but can you at least concede to
the fact that all we have right now is

9646
03:19:50,469 --> 03:19:50,479
the fact that all we have right now is
 

9647
03:19:50,479 --> 03:19:52,229
the fact that all we have right now is
just their word. That's not to say that

9648
03:19:52,229 --> 03:19:52,239
just their word. That's not to say that
 

9649
03:19:52,239 --> 03:19:53,910
just their word. That's not to say that
they are lying, but it's all we got

9650
03:19:53,910 --> 03:19:53,920
they are lying, but it's all we got
 

9651
03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:57,110
they are lying, but it's all we got
right at this moment.

9652
03:19:57,110 --> 03:19:57,120
right at this moment.
 

9653
03:19:57,120 --> 03:19:59,830
right at this moment.
>> I believe people should believe victims.

9654
03:19:59,830 --> 03:19:59,840
>> I believe people should believe victims.
 

9655
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:00,150
>> I believe people should believe victims.
>> Okay.

9656
03:20:00,150 --> 03:20:00,160
>> Okay.
 

9657
03:20:00,160 --> 03:20:03,110
>> Okay.
>> I I don't think that they need mountains

9658
03:20:03,110 --> 03:20:03,120
>> I I don't think that they need mountains
 

9659
03:20:03,120 --> 03:20:05,349
>> I I don't think that they need mountains
of evidence to be believed.

9660
03:20:05,349 --> 03:20:05,359
of evidence to be believed.
 

9661
03:20:05,359 --> 03:20:07,190
of evidence to be believed.
>> I think that they have mountains of

9662
03:20:07,190 --> 03:20:07,200
>> I think that they have mountains of
 

9663
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:09,910
>> I think that they have mountains of
evidence, but I don't think they needed

9664
03:20:09,910 --> 03:20:09,920
evidence, but I don't think they needed
 

9665
03:20:09,920 --> 03:20:13,590
evidence, but I don't think they needed
it. Um, and the and I I think people

9666
03:20:13,590 --> 03:20:13,600
it. Um, and the and I I think people
 

9667
03:20:13,600 --> 03:20:16,790
it. Um, and the and I I think people
want to separate them from everything

9668
03:20:16,790 --> 03:20:16,800
want to separate them from everything
 

9669
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:19,030
want to separate them from everything
else because it makes it easier to

9670
03:20:19,030 --> 03:20:19,040
else because it makes it easier to
 

9671
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:21,590
else because it makes it easier to
dismiss them as potentially wrong.

9672
03:20:21,590 --> 03:20:21,600
dismiss them as potentially wrong.
 

9673
03:20:21,600 --> 03:20:22,070
dismiss them as potentially wrong.
>> Mhm.

9674
03:20:22,070 --> 03:20:22,080
>> Mhm.
 

9675
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:25,269
>> Mhm.
>> But think things keep happening. Things

9676
03:20:25,269 --> 03:20:25,279
>> But think things keep happening. Things
 

9677
03:20:25,279 --> 03:20:27,750
>> But think things keep happening. Things
keep coming out like where you were just

9678
03:20:27,750 --> 03:20:27,760
keep coming out like where you were just
 

9679
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:30,309
keep coming out like where you were just
talking about how you agree that the

9680
03:20:30,309 --> 03:20:30,319
talking about how you agree that the
 

9681
03:20:30,319 --> 03:20:33,429
talking about how you agree that the
Deviant Art comments are very very weird

9682
03:20:33,429 --> 03:20:33,439
Deviant Art comments are very very weird
 

9683
03:20:33,439 --> 03:20:34,630
Deviant Art comments are very very weird
and creepy,

9684
03:20:34,630 --> 03:20:34,640
and creepy,
 

9685
03:20:34,640 --> 03:20:35,030
and creepy,
>> right?

9686
03:20:35,030 --> 03:20:35,040
>> right?
 

9687
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:38,790
>> right?
>> Um, but that was only found much later

9688
03:20:38,790 --> 03:20:38,800
>> Um, but that was only found much later
 

9689
03:20:38,800 --> 03:20:40,790
>> Um, but that was only found much later
after all of this. Mhm.

9690
03:20:40,790 --> 03:20:40,800
after all of this. Mhm.
 

9691
03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:44,309
after all of this. Mhm.
>> Like it it is it's not a coincidence.

9692
03:20:44,309 --> 03:20:44,319
>> Like it it is it's not a coincidence.
 

9693
03:20:44,319 --> 03:20:47,190
>> Like it it is it's not a coincidence.
This all is part of the same situation.

9694
03:20:47,190 --> 03:20:47,200
This all is part of the same situation.
 

9695
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:50,790
This all is part of the same situation.
This all adds to the same conclusion,

9696
03:20:50,790 --> 03:20:50,800
This all adds to the same conclusion,
 

9697
03:20:50,800 --> 03:20:51,190
This all adds to the same conclusion,
>> right?

9698
03:20:51,190 --> 03:20:51,200
>> right?
 

9699
03:20:51,200 --> 03:20:52,950
>> right?
>> Um

9700
03:20:52,950 --> 03:20:52,960
>> Um
 

9701
03:20:52,960 --> 03:20:56,950
>> Um
it the more that comes out, it's not

9702
03:20:56,950 --> 03:20:56,960
it the more that comes out, it's not
 

9703
03:20:56,960 --> 03:20:59,030
it the more that comes out, it's not
it's not, oh, this is something that's

9704
03:20:59,030 --> 03:20:59,040
it's not, oh, this is something that's
 

9705
03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:02,950
it's not, oh, this is something that's
bad coincidentally. Um it is it's

9706
03:21:02,950 --> 03:21:02,960
bad coincidentally. Um it is it's
 

9707
03:21:02,960 --> 03:21:05,110
bad coincidentally. Um it is it's
something that

9708
03:21:05,110 --> 03:21:05,120
something that
 

9709
03:21:05,120 --> 03:21:08,870
something that
exists because the other stuff happened

9710
03:21:08,870 --> 03:21:08,880
exists because the other stuff happened
 

9711
03:21:08,880 --> 03:21:12,870
exists because the other stuff happened
as well. This is all the same scenario.

9712
03:21:12,870 --> 03:21:12,880
as well. This is all the same scenario.
 

9713
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:14,950
as well. This is all the same scenario.
It's all the same situation,

9714
03:21:14,950 --> 03:21:14,960
It's all the same situation,
 

9715
03:21:14,960 --> 03:21:15,429
It's all the same situation,
>> right?

9716
03:21:15,429 --> 03:21:15,439
>> right?
 

9717
03:21:15,439 --> 03:21:18,150
>> right?
>> I I I believe that people should be

9718
03:21:18,150 --> 03:21:18,160
>> I I I believe that people should be
 

9719
03:21:18,160 --> 03:21:20,309
>> I I I believe that people should be
assessed so that like if if they are

9720
03:21:20,309 --> 03:21:20,319
assessed so that like if if they are
 

9721
03:21:20,319 --> 03:21:24,469
assessed so that like if if they are
known to be a liar, then they can be

9722
03:21:24,469 --> 03:21:24,479
known to be a liar, then they can be
 

9723
03:21:24,479 --> 03:21:27,110
known to be a liar, then they can be
believed less. You know, boy who cried

9724
03:21:27,110 --> 03:21:27,120
believed less. You know, boy who cried
 

9725
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,309
believed less. You know, boy who cried
wolf.

9726
03:21:28,309 --> 03:21:28,319
wolf.
 

9727
03:21:28,319 --> 03:21:29,910
wolf.
>> But

9728
03:21:29,910 --> 03:21:29,920
>> But
 

9729
03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:32,150
>> But
but Destiny

9730
03:21:32,150 --> 03:21:32,160
but Destiny
 

9731
03:21:32,160 --> 03:21:34,790
but Destiny
doesn't do that. So there's no reason to

9732
03:21:34,790 --> 03:21:34,800
doesn't do that. So there's no reason to
 

9733
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:37,750
doesn't do that. So there's no reason to
disbelieve her. And I think that because

9734
03:21:37,750 --> 03:21:37,760
disbelieve her. And I think that because
 

9735
03:21:37,760 --> 03:21:39,830
disbelieve her. And I think that because
she says what happened to her happened,

9736
03:21:39,830 --> 03:21:39,840
she says what happened to her happened,
 

9737
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:41,670
she says what happened to her happened,
that should be enough for people. I

9738
03:21:41,670 --> 03:21:41,680
that should be enough for people. I
 

9739
03:21:41,680 --> 03:21:44,309
that should be enough for people. I
think it's disheartening that it isn't.

9740
03:21:44,309 --> 03:21:44,319
think it's disheartening that it isn't.
 

9741
03:21:44,319 --> 03:21:49,030
think it's disheartening that it isn't.
>> Um, and Emmy was called a liar for

9742
03:21:49,030 --> 03:21:49,040
>> Um, and Emmy was called a liar for
 

9743
03:21:49,040 --> 03:21:52,229
>> Um, and Emmy was called a liar for
reasons that aren't fair. Um,

9744
03:21:52,229 --> 03:21:52,239
reasons that aren't fair. Um,
 

9745
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:54,630
reasons that aren't fair. Um,
so I think that there was a lot of

9746
03:21:54,630 --> 03:21:54,640
so I think that there was a lot of
 

9747
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:56,150
so I think that there was a lot of
wolves,

9748
03:21:56,150 --> 03:21:56,160
wolves,
 

9749
03:21:56,160 --> 03:21:59,190
wolves,
uh, you know, boy cried wolves calling

9750
03:21:59,190 --> 03:21:59,200
uh, you know, boy cried wolves calling
 

9751
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:00,389
uh, you know, boy cried wolves calling
her a liar.

9752
03:22:00,389 --> 03:22:00,399
her a liar.
 

9753
03:22:00,399 --> 03:22:03,830
her a liar.
>> Mhm. um people that were liars

9754
03:22:03,830 --> 03:22:03,840
>> Mhm. um people that were liars
 

9755
03:22:03,840 --> 03:22:07,670
>> Mhm. um people that were liars
themselves also lying about her.

9756
03:22:07,670 --> 03:22:07,680
themselves also lying about her.
 

9757
03:22:07,680 --> 03:22:10,309
themselves also lying about her.
>> Um

9758
03:22:10,309 --> 03:22:10,319
>> Um
 

9759
03:22:10,319 --> 03:22:13,349
>> Um
so people need to be able to assess

9760
03:22:13,349 --> 03:22:13,359
so people need to be able to assess
 

9761
03:22:13,359 --> 03:22:15,830
so people need to be able to assess
situations better. People need to be

9762
03:22:15,830 --> 03:22:15,840
situations better. People need to be
 

9763
03:22:15,840 --> 03:22:17,670
situations better. People need to be
able to

9764
03:22:17,670 --> 03:22:17,680
able to
 

9765
03:22:17,680 --> 03:22:21,750
able to
come to better conclusions on given

9766
03:22:21,750 --> 03:22:21,760
come to better conclusions on given
 

9767
03:22:21,760 --> 03:22:24,630
come to better conclusions on given
information. But

9768
03:22:24,630 --> 03:22:24,640
information. But
 

9769
03:22:24,640 --> 03:22:27,750
information. But
having a lack of definitive proof, like

9770
03:22:27,750 --> 03:22:27,760
having a lack of definitive proof, like
 

9771
03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:31,349
having a lack of definitive proof, like
not having a videotape or the actual

9772
03:22:31,349 --> 03:22:31,359
not having a videotape or the actual
 

9773
03:22:31,359 --> 03:22:34,150
not having a videotape or the actual
image of what he gave,

9774
03:22:34,150 --> 03:22:34,160
image of what he gave,
 

9775
03:22:34,160 --> 03:22:36,870
image of what he gave,
>> that shouldn't be the definitive thing

9776
03:22:36,870 --> 03:22:36,880
>> that shouldn't be the definitive thing
 

9777
03:22:36,880 --> 03:22:42,630
>> that shouldn't be the definitive thing
for so many people. I think

9778
03:22:42,630 --> 03:22:42,640

 

9779
03:22:42,640 --> 03:22:45,429

I I I think pe victims should be

9780
03:22:45,429 --> 03:22:45,439
I I I think pe victims should be
 

9781
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:48,229
I I I think pe victims should be
believed more. I think that that there

9782
03:22:48,229 --> 03:22:48,239
believed more. I think that that there
 

9783
03:22:48,239 --> 03:22:50,070
believed more. I think that that there
there will be times when there is a lot

9784
03:22:50,070 --> 03:22:50,080
there will be times when there is a lot
 

9785
03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:52,389
there will be times when there is a lot
less evidence than there is for this

9786
03:22:52,389 --> 03:22:52,399
less evidence than there is for this
 

9787
03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:53,910
less evidence than there is for this
situation

9788
03:22:53,910 --> 03:22:53,920
situation
 

9789
03:22:53,920 --> 03:22:56,389
situation
>> and you see how much there is for this

9790
03:22:56,389 --> 03:22:56,399
>> and you see how much there is for this
 

9791
03:22:56,399 --> 03:22:58,309
>> and you see how much there is for this
situation and people still don't believe

9792
03:22:58,309 --> 03:22:58,319
situation and people still don't believe
 

9793
03:22:58,319 --> 03:23:01,429
situation and people still don't believe
it and I I I think that sucks.

9794
03:23:01,429 --> 03:23:01,439
it and I I I think that sucks.
 

9795
03:23:01,439 --> 03:23:02,950
it and I I I think that sucks.
>> I think it just comes with the territory

9796
03:23:02,950 --> 03:23:02,960
>> I think it just comes with the territory
 

9797
03:23:02,960 --> 03:23:04,710
>> I think it just comes with the territory
of the internet, you know? I mean,

9798
03:23:04,710 --> 03:23:04,720
of the internet, you know? I mean,
 

9799
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:05,750
of the internet, you know? I mean,
people are going to believe what they're

9800
03:23:05,750 --> 03:23:05,760
people are going to believe what they're
 

9801
03:23:05,760 --> 03:23:08,870
people are going to believe what they're
going to believe, you know? And I don't

9802
03:23:08,870 --> 03:23:08,880
going to believe, you know? And I don't
 

9803
03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:10,229
going to believe, you know? And I don't
even necessarily disagree with you. I

9804
03:23:10,229 --> 03:23:10,239
even necessarily disagree with you. I
 

9805
03:23:10,239 --> 03:23:11,910
even necessarily disagree with you. I
even say in my own video, not not every

9806
03:23:11,910 --> 03:23:11,920
even say in my own video, not not every
 

9807
03:23:11,920 --> 03:23:13,269
even say in my own video, not not every
single victim is going to have all the

9808
03:23:13,269 --> 03:23:13,279
single victim is going to have all the
 

9809
03:23:13,279 --> 03:23:15,110
single victim is going to have all the
evidence out in front of them. like even

9810
03:23:15,110 --> 03:23:15,120
evidence out in front of them. like even
 

9811
03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:19,269
evidence out in front of them. like even
for a lot of like other situations

9812
03:23:19,269 --> 03:23:19,279
for a lot of like other situations
 

9813
03:23:19,279 --> 03:23:21,349
for a lot of like other situations
like uh I can't there's not one that

9814
03:23:21,349 --> 03:23:21,359
like uh I can't there's not one that
 

9815
03:23:21,359 --> 03:23:23,110
like uh I can't there's not one that
comes to mind like immediately but I

9816
03:23:23,110 --> 03:23:23,120
comes to mind like immediately but I
 

9817
03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:24,469
comes to mind like immediately but I
know there was like a couple situations

9818
03:23:24,469 --> 03:23:24,479
know there was like a couple situations
 

9819
03:23:24,479 --> 03:23:26,229
know there was like a couple situations
that came out where there's not really a

9820
03:23:26,229 --> 03:23:26,239
that came out where there's not really a
 

9821
03:23:26,239 --> 03:23:28,630
that came out where there's not really a
lot of evidence it's just the victim's

9822
03:23:28,630 --> 03:23:28,640
lot of evidence it's just the victim's
 

9823
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:31,110
lot of evidence it's just the victim's
word but because of how the person

9824
03:23:31,110 --> 03:23:31,120
word but because of how the person
 

9825
03:23:31,120 --> 03:23:33,830
word but because of how the person
responded to that victim's testimony

9826
03:23:33,830 --> 03:23:33,840
responded to that victim's testimony
 

9827
03:23:33,840 --> 03:23:35,510
responded to that victim's testimony
people are like oh this person's telling

9828
03:23:35,510 --> 03:23:35,520
people are like oh this person's telling
 

9829
03:23:35,520 --> 03:23:37,269
people are like oh this person's telling
the truth like because the response was

9830
03:23:37,269 --> 03:23:37,279
the truth like because the response was
 

9831
03:23:37,279 --> 03:23:39,349
the truth like because the response was
so bad and maybe that's what's been

9832
03:23:39,349 --> 03:23:39,359
so bad and maybe that's what's been
 

9833
03:23:39,359 --> 03:23:41,190
so bad and maybe that's what's been
going on with the Black Griffin stuff is

9834
03:23:41,190 --> 03:23:41,200
going on with the Black Griffin stuff is
 

9835
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:43,429
going on with the Black Griffin stuff is
that that he's had such a bad response

9836
03:23:43,429 --> 03:23:43,439
that that he's had such a bad response
 

9837
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:46,229
that that he's had such a bad response
so are that people are like, "Oh,

9838
03:23:46,229 --> 03:23:46,239
so are that people are like, "Oh,
 

9839
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:47,670
so are that people are like, "Oh,
there's no way you didn't do this

9840
03:23:47,670 --> 03:23:47,680
there's no way you didn't do this
 

9841
03:23:47,680 --> 03:23:49,510
there's no way you didn't do this
because what you're presenting as your

9842
03:23:49,510 --> 03:23:49,520
because what you're presenting as your
 

9843
03:23:49,520 --> 03:23:53,110
because what you're presenting as your
defense is not good kind of thing. But

9844
03:23:53,110 --> 03:23:53,120
defense is not good kind of thing. But
 

9845
03:23:53,120 --> 03:23:55,110
defense is not good kind of thing. But
even then, I don't know if that's a

9846
03:23:55,110 --> 03:23:55,120
even then, I don't know if that's a
 

9847
03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:56,790
even then, I don't know if that's a
definitive." You know what I mean? Like

9848
03:23:56,790 --> 03:23:56,800
definitive." You know what I mean? Like
 

9849
03:23:56,800 --> 03:23:59,830
definitive." You know what I mean? Like
it's like it evidence is great because

9850
03:23:59,830 --> 03:23:59,840
it's like it evidence is great because
 

9851
03:23:59,840 --> 03:24:01,670
it's like it evidence is great because
at least that point like points to a

9852
03:24:01,670 --> 03:24:01,680
at least that point like points to a
 

9853
03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:03,110
at least that point like points to a
direction. At least that gives people

9854
03:24:03,110 --> 03:24:03,120
direction. At least that gives people
 

9855
03:24:03,120 --> 03:24:04,630
direction. At least that gives people
something. At least that shows intent

9856
03:24:04,630 --> 03:24:04,640
something. At least that shows intent
 

9857
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:05,830
something. At least that shows intent
and stuff like that. But when you don't

9858
03:24:05,830 --> 03:24:05,840
and stuff like that. But when you don't
 

9859
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:07,670
and stuff like that. But when you don't
have that, the the safest thing you can

9860
03:24:07,670 --> 03:24:07,680
have that, the the safest thing you can
 

9861
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:10,550
have that, the the safest thing you can
do is just be like, uh, I will believe

9862
03:24:10,550 --> 03:24:10,560
do is just be like, uh, I will believe
 

9863
03:24:10,560 --> 03:24:12,309
do is just be like, uh, I will believe
you, of course, like believe victims of

9864
03:24:12,309 --> 03:24:12,319
you, of course, like believe victims of
 

9865
03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:13,750
you, of course, like believe victims of
course, but also, you know, just be

9866
03:24:13,750 --> 03:24:13,760
course, but also, you know, just be
 

9867
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:16,150
course, but also, you know, just be
careful cuz you never know like stuff

9868
03:24:16,150 --> 03:24:16,160
careful cuz you never know like stuff
 

9869
03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:17,830
careful cuz you never know like stuff
can come out like things can happen.

9870
03:24:17,830 --> 03:24:17,840
can come out like things can happen.
 

9871
03:24:17,840 --> 03:24:22,630
can come out like things can happen.
>> I I think that caution is important, but

9872
03:24:22,630 --> 03:24:22,640
>> I I think that caution is important, but
 

9873
03:24:22,640 --> 03:24:26,950
>> I I think that caution is important, but
I think victims should be believed if

9874
03:24:26,950 --> 03:24:26,960
I think victims should be believed if
 

9875
03:24:26,960 --> 03:24:29,349
I think victims should be believed if
you know critical thinking involved,

9876
03:24:29,349 --> 03:24:29,359
you know critical thinking involved,
 

9877
03:24:29,359 --> 03:24:31,830
you know critical thinking involved,
victims should still be believed for the

9878
03:24:31,830 --> 03:24:31,840
victims should still be believed for the
 

9879
03:24:31,840 --> 03:24:32,790
victims should still be believed for the
most part.

9880
03:24:32,790 --> 03:24:32,800
most part.
 

9881
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:36,309
most part.
>> Mhm. And then in this situation,

9882
03:24:36,309 --> 03:24:36,319
>> Mhm. And then in this situation,
 

9883
03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:38,229
>> Mhm. And then in this situation,
there's just a mountain of evidence that

9884
03:24:38,229 --> 03:24:38,239
there's just a mountain of evidence that
 

9885
03:24:38,239 --> 03:24:40,550
there's just a mountain of evidence that
supports them. There's I don't think

9886
03:24:40,550 --> 03:24:40,560
supports them. There's I don't think
 

9887
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:43,030
supports them. There's I don't think
there should have had to have been, but

9888
03:24:43,030 --> 03:24:43,040
there should have had to have been, but
 

9889
03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:45,910
there should have had to have been, but
even with it, people aren't are choosing

9890
03:24:45,910 --> 03:24:45,920
even with it, people aren't are choosing
 

9891
03:24:45,920 --> 03:24:49,429
even with it, people aren't are choosing
to disbelieve them. And I think I think

9892
03:24:49,429 --> 03:24:49,439
to disbelieve them. And I think I think
 

9893
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:51,750
to disbelieve them. And I think I think
that's that's horrible.

9894
03:24:51,750 --> 03:24:51,760
that's that's horrible.
 

9895
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:53,670
that's that's horrible.
>> But yeah, no, I I totally get where

9896
03:24:53,670 --> 03:24:53,680
>> But yeah, no, I I totally get where
 

9897
03:24:53,680 --> 03:24:55,670
>> But yeah, no, I I totally get where
you're coming from. I think the

9898
03:24:55,670 --> 03:24:55,680
you're coming from. I think the
 

9899
03:24:55,680 --> 03:24:57,830
you're coming from. I think the
conversation does need to be a bit more

9900
03:24:57,830 --> 03:24:57,840
conversation does need to be a bit more
 

9901
03:24:57,840 --> 03:25:00,630
conversation does need to be a bit more
a bit less hostile. I think cuz I mean,

9902
03:25:00,630 --> 03:25:00,640
a bit less hostile. I think cuz I mean,
 

9903
03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:02,550
a bit less hostile. I think cuz I mean,
we've h I get it. We've had situations

9904
03:25:02,550 --> 03:25:02,560
we've h I get it. We've had situations
 

9905
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:05,190
we've h I get it. We've had situations
like even like stuff like you know the

9906
03:25:05,190 --> 03:25:05,200
like even like stuff like you know the
 

9907
03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:07,670
like even like stuff like you know the
Slazo thing or the quite stuff and

9908
03:25:07,670 --> 03:25:07,680
Slazo thing or the quite stuff and
 

9909
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:10,309
Slazo thing or the quite stuff and
whatever it may be and people are just

9910
03:25:10,309 --> 03:25:10,319
whatever it may be and people are just
 

9911
03:25:10,319 --> 03:25:12,309
whatever it may be and people are just
extremely hostile when they figure out

9912
03:25:12,309 --> 03:25:12,319
extremely hostile when they figure out
 

9913
03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:14,469
extremely hostile when they figure out
like when stuff isn't true and the

9914
03:25:14,469 --> 03:25:14,479
like when stuff isn't true and the
 

9915
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:16,309
like when stuff isn't true and the
likelihood of somebody lying about this

9916
03:25:16,309 --> 03:25:16,319
likelihood of somebody lying about this
 

9917
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:18,229
likelihood of somebody lying about this
is very very minimal. It's very very

9918
03:25:18,229 --> 03:25:18,239
is very very minimal. It's very very
 

9919
03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:19,750
is very very minimal. It's very very
small. Just because we've had a couple

9920
03:25:19,750 --> 03:25:19,760
small. Just because we've had a couple
 

9921
03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:21,990
small. Just because we've had a couple
of outliers doesn't mean we should treat

9922
03:25:21,990 --> 03:25:22,000
of outliers doesn't mean we should treat
 

9923
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:24,790
of outliers doesn't mean we should treat
every single situation like it is the

9924
03:25:24,790 --> 03:25:24,800
every single situation like it is the
 

9925
03:25:24,800 --> 03:25:26,870
every single situation like it is the
outlier before we know for sure. And I

9926
03:25:26,870 --> 03:25:26,880
outlier before we know for sure. And I
 

9927
03:25:26,880 --> 03:25:29,190
outlier before we know for sure. And I
don't know the quite situation, but

9928
03:25:29,190 --> 03:25:29,200
don't know the quite situation, but
 

9929
03:25:29,200 --> 03:25:32,150
don't know the quite situation, but
people use that as a citation for like

9930
03:25:32,150 --> 03:25:32,160
people use that as a citation for like
 

9931
03:25:32,160 --> 03:25:34,950
people use that as a citation for like
not believing victims anymore,

9932
03:25:34,950 --> 03:25:34,960
not believing victims anymore,
 

9933
03:25:34,960 --> 03:25:38,550
not believing victims anymore,
>> and I hate that. But also, I know that

9934
03:25:38,550 --> 03:25:38,560
>> and I hate that. But also, I know that
 

9935
03:25:38,560 --> 03:25:41,190
>> and I hate that. But also, I know that
Quite and Slug are were in that same

9936
03:25:41,190 --> 03:25:41,200
Quite and Slug are were in that same
 

9937
03:25:41,200 --> 03:25:43,110
Quite and Slug are were in that same
live stream

9938
03:25:43,110 --> 03:25:43,120
live stream
 

9939
03:25:43,120 --> 03:25:45,830
live stream
being complete [\h__\h] So, I don't

9940
03:25:45,830 --> 03:25:45,840
being complete [\h__\h] So, I don't
 

9941
03:25:45,840 --> 03:25:49,269
being complete [\h__\h] So, I don't
know quite or that situation at all.

9942
03:25:49,269 --> 03:25:49,279
know quite or that situation at all.
 

9943
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:49,750
know quite or that situation at all.
>> Mhm.

9944
03:25:49,750 --> 03:25:49,760
>> Mhm.
 

9945
03:25:49,760 --> 03:25:51,750
>> Mhm.
>> But I don't trust Quite either. So, I

9946
03:25:51,750 --> 03:25:51,760
>> But I don't trust Quite either. So, I
 

9947
03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:53,190
>> But I don't trust Quite either. So, I
don't think he should be used in any

9948
03:25:53,190 --> 03:25:53,200
don't think he should be used in any
 

9949
03:25:53,200 --> 03:25:54,950
don't think he should be used in any
kind of defense for that. I don't think

9950
03:25:54,950 --> 03:25:54,960
kind of defense for that. I don't think
 

9951
03:25:54,960 --> 03:25:56,630
kind of defense for that. I don't think
anyone should. I think that's a horrible

9952
03:25:56,630 --> 03:25:56,640
anyone should. I think that's a horrible
 

9953
03:25:56,640 --> 03:25:59,830
anyone should. I think that's a horrible
way to look at things that victims uh

9954
03:25:59,830 --> 03:25:59,840
way to look at things that victims uh
 

9955
03:25:59,840 --> 03:26:01,750
way to look at things that victims uh
shouldn't be believed because this this

9956
03:26:01,750 --> 03:26:01,760
shouldn't be believed because this this
 

9957
03:26:01,760 --> 03:26:04,070
shouldn't be believed because this this
victim was lying. This one wasn't a

9958
03:26:04,070 --> 03:26:04,080
victim was lying. This one wasn't a
 

9959
03:26:04,080 --> 03:26:05,750
victim was lying. This one wasn't a
victim. Maybe,

9960
03:26:05,750 --> 03:26:05,760
victim. Maybe,
 

9961
03:26:05,760 --> 03:26:07,910
victim. Maybe,
>> right? I I agree. I I think it needs to

9962
03:26:07,910 --> 03:26:07,920
>> right? I I agree. I I think it needs to
 

9963
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:10,630
>> right? I I agree. I I think it needs to
be a bit more nuanced or at least at the

9964
03:26:10,630 --> 03:26:10,640
be a bit more nuanced or at least at the
 

9965
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:12,790
be a bit more nuanced or at least at the
very least people should be more kind,

9966
03:26:12,790 --> 03:26:12,800
very least people should be more kind,
 

9967
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:14,150
very least people should be more kind,
you know, and be like, well, this

9968
03:26:14,150 --> 03:26:14,160
you know, and be like, well, this
 

9969
03:26:14,160 --> 03:26:15,750
you know, and be like, well, this
happened to this person. It was a lie,

9970
03:26:15,750 --> 03:26:15,760
happened to this person. It was a lie,
 

9971
03:26:15,760 --> 03:26:17,030
happened to this person. It was a lie,
so why should I believe you? It's like,

9972
03:26:17,030 --> 03:26:17,040
so why should I believe you? It's like,
 

9973
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:18,790
so why should I believe you? It's like,
that's a separate situation that's not

9974
03:26:18,790 --> 03:26:18,800
that's a separate situation that's not
 

9975
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:20,870
that's a separate situation that's not
mine. Like, treat it differently,

9976
03:26:20,870 --> 03:26:20,880
mine. Like, treat it differently,
 

9977
03:26:20,880 --> 03:26:22,550
mine. Like, treat it differently,
please. You know what I mean?

9978
03:26:22,550 --> 03:26:22,560
please. You know what I mean?
 

9979
03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:25,510
please. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. There's a lot of other scenarios

9980
03:26:25,510 --> 03:26:25,520
>> Yeah. There's a lot of other scenarios
 

9981
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:28,309
>> Yeah. There's a lot of other scenarios
of people being victims and not being

9982
03:26:28,309 --> 03:26:28,319
of people being victims and not being
 

9983
03:26:28,319 --> 03:26:31,990
of people being victims and not being
believed. Um, and then later on people

9984
03:26:31,990 --> 03:26:32,000
believed. Um, and then later on people
 

9985
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:33,349
believed. Um, and then later on people
find out that they were telling the

9986
03:26:33,349 --> 03:26:33,359
find out that they were telling the
 

9987
03:26:33,359 --> 03:26:35,510
find out that they were telling the
truth, but people don't cite that. They

9988
03:26:35,510 --> 03:26:35,520
truth, but people don't cite that. They
 

9989
03:26:35,520 --> 03:26:38,389
truth, but people don't cite that. They
cite the one that defends the big

9990
03:26:38,389 --> 03:26:38,399
cite the one that defends the big
 

9991
03:26:38,399 --> 03:26:39,830
cite the one that defends the big
YouTuber.

9992
03:26:39,830 --> 03:26:39,840
YouTuber.
 

9993
03:26:39,840 --> 03:26:40,309
YouTuber.
>> Yeah.

9994
03:26:40,309 --> 03:26:40,319
>> Yeah.
 

9995
03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:43,990
>> Yeah.
>> Um, I I don't think it's a fair

9996
03:26:43,990 --> 03:26:44,000
>> Um, I I don't think it's a fair
 

9997
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:46,389
>> Um, I I don't think it's a fair
conclusion. I don't think it's having

9998
03:26:46,389 --> 03:26:46,399
conclusion. I don't think it's having
 

9999
03:26:46,399 --> 03:26:49,750
conclusion. I don't think it's having
learned a lesson. I think it's having

10000
03:26:49,750 --> 03:26:49,760
learned a lesson. I think it's having
 

10001
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:53,590
learned a lesson. I think it's having
gained an excuse. Mhm. Well, I I'm glad

10002
03:26:53,590 --> 03:26:53,600
gained an excuse. Mhm. Well, I I'm glad
 

10003
03:26:53,600 --> 03:26:55,190
gained an excuse. Mhm. Well, I I'm glad
that we at least had this conversation

10004
03:26:55,190 --> 03:26:55,200
that we at least had this conversation
 

10005
03:26:55,200 --> 03:26:56,790
that we at least had this conversation
because at the very least I know that we

10006
03:26:56,790 --> 03:26:56,800
because at the very least I know that we
 

10007
03:26:56,800 --> 03:26:59,110
because at the very least I know that we
at least agree on things on the things

10008
03:26:59,110 --> 03:26:59,120
at least agree on things on the things
 

10009
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:00,550
at least agree on things on the things
that are at least important. You know

10010
03:27:00,550 --> 03:27:00,560
that are at least important. You know
 

10011
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:02,150
that are at least important. You know
what I mean?

10012
03:27:02,150 --> 03:27:02,160
what I mean?
 

10013
03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:03,349
what I mean?
>> Yeah.

10014
03:27:03,349 --> 03:27:03,359
>> Yeah.
 

10015
03:27:03,359 --> 03:27:06,389
>> Yeah.
>> Uh I appreciate you reaching out and

10016
03:27:06,389 --> 03:27:06,399
>> Uh I appreciate you reaching out and
 

10017
03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:09,110
>> Uh I appreciate you reaching out and
talking because I

10018
03:27:09,110 --> 03:27:09,120
talking because I
 

10019
03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:14,469
talking because I
I I do feel um somewhat better about

10020
03:27:14,469 --> 03:27:14,479
I I do feel um somewhat better about
 

10021
03:27:14,479 --> 03:27:17,349
I I do feel um somewhat better about
where we stand and being able to clarify

10022
03:27:17,349 --> 03:27:17,359
where we stand and being able to clarify
 

10023
03:27:17,359 --> 03:27:21,269
where we stand and being able to clarify
my my own positions on things, too.

10024
03:27:21,269 --> 03:27:21,279
my my own positions on things, too.
 

10025
03:27:21,279 --> 03:27:23,510
my my own positions on things, too.
And I mean, you know, I don't 100% agree

10026
03:27:23,510 --> 03:27:23,520
And I mean, you know, I don't 100% agree
 

10027
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:25,190
And I mean, you know, I don't 100% agree
with everything you say, but at the very

10028
03:27:25,190 --> 03:27:25,200
with everything you say, but at the very
 

10029
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:28,309
with everything you say, but at the very
least, you know, we've come to find a

10030
03:27:28,309 --> 03:27:28,319
least, you know, we've come to find a
 

10031
03:27:28,319 --> 03:27:30,469
least, you know, we've come to find a
better understanding of each other. I I

10032
03:27:30,469 --> 03:27:30,479
better understanding of each other. I I
 

10033
03:27:30,479 --> 03:27:30,950
better understanding of each other. I I
suppose.

10034
03:27:30,950 --> 03:27:30,960
suppose.
 

10035
03:27:30,960 --> 03:27:33,349
suppose.
>> Yeah. I mean, we're different people. Um

10036
03:27:33,349 --> 03:27:33,359
>> Yeah. I mean, we're different people. Um
 

10037
03:27:33,359 --> 03:27:36,630
>> Yeah. I mean, we're different people. Um
we we came in with differences. That's

10038
03:27:36,630 --> 03:27:36,640
we we came in with differences. That's
 

10039
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:40,710
we we came in with differences. That's
>> uh things led here that of us uh you

10040
03:27:40,710 --> 03:27:40,720
>> uh things led here that of us uh you
 

10041
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:41,349
>> uh things led here that of us uh you
know,

10042
03:27:41,349 --> 03:27:41,359
know,
 

10043
03:27:41,359 --> 03:27:42,150
know,
>> Yeah, for sure.

10044
03:27:42,150 --> 03:27:42,160
>> Yeah, for sure.
 

10045
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:43,349
>> Yeah, for sure.
>> not agreeing,

10046
03:27:43,349 --> 03:27:43,359
>> not agreeing,
 

10047
03:27:43,359 --> 03:27:48,550
>> not agreeing,
>> right? But ultimately what matters is if

10048
03:27:48,550 --> 03:27:48,560
>> right? But ultimately what matters is if
 

10049
03:27:48,560 --> 03:27:51,030
>> right? But ultimately what matters is if
there's a predator in in this Brony

10050
03:27:51,030 --> 03:27:51,040
there's a predator in in this Brony
 

10051
03:27:51,040 --> 03:27:55,190
there's a predator in in this Brony
community, they don't get to predator

10052
03:27:55,190 --> 03:27:55,200
community, they don't get to predator
 

10053
03:27:55,200 --> 03:27:56,710
community, they don't get to predator
anymore.

10054
03:27:56,710 --> 03:27:56,720
anymore.
 

10055
03:27:56,720 --> 03:27:59,429
anymore.
>> True. Yeah. I mean that's hopefully the

10056
03:27:59,429 --> 03:27:59,439
>> True. Yeah. I mean that's hopefully the
 

10057
03:27:59,439 --> 03:28:01,190
>> True. Yeah. I mean that's hopefully the
goal of like a lot of these situations,

10058
03:28:01,190 --> 03:28:01,200
goal of like a lot of these situations,
 

10059
03:28:01,200 --> 03:28:03,269
goal of like a lot of these situations,
right? Like it's like I just want to

10060
03:28:03,269 --> 03:28:03,279
right? Like it's like I just want to
 

10061
03:28:03,279 --> 03:28:05,590
right? Like it's like I just want to
make sure that they are not allowed to

10062
03:28:05,590 --> 03:28:05,600
make sure that they are not allowed to
 

10063
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:08,790
make sure that they are not allowed to
>> do it again. I suppose I mean I don't

10064
03:28:08,790 --> 03:28:08,800
>> do it again. I suppose I mean I don't
 

10065
03:28:08,800 --> 03:28:10,950
>> do it again. I suppose I mean I don't
know what efforts have because I don't I

10066
03:28:10,950 --> 03:28:10,960
know what efforts have because I don't I
 

10067
03:28:10,960 --> 03:28:12,389
know what efforts have because I don't I
I mean I don't know what the efforts

10068
03:28:12,389 --> 03:28:12,399
I mean I don't know what the efforts
 

10069
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:13,910
I mean I don't know what the efforts
would take place in order to get other

10070
03:28:13,910 --> 03:28:13,920
would take place in order to get other
 

10071
03:28:13,920 --> 03:28:15,110
would take place in order to get other
than just getting them completely

10072
03:28:15,110 --> 03:28:15,120
than just getting them completely
 

10073
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:17,269
than just getting them completely
removed. I don't know if that's like

10074
03:28:17,269 --> 03:28:17,279
removed. I don't know if that's like
 

10075
03:28:17,279 --> 03:28:18,950
removed. I don't know if that's like
what your goal is with Black Griffin or

10076
03:28:18,950 --> 03:28:18,960
what your goal is with Black Griffin or
 

10077
03:28:18,960 --> 03:28:19,429
what your goal is with Black Griffin or
whatever.

10078
03:28:19,429 --> 03:28:19,439
whatever.
 

10079
03:28:19,439 --> 03:28:22,630
whatever.
>> Like I said earlier, what I want is for

10080
03:28:22,630 --> 03:28:22,640
>> Like I said earlier, what I want is for
 

10081
03:28:22,640 --> 03:28:24,389
>> Like I said earlier, what I want is for
people that are going to abuse their

10082
03:28:24,389 --> 03:28:24,399
people that are going to abuse their
 

10083
03:28:24,399 --> 03:28:27,670
people that are going to abuse their
power to not have it. And I want people

10084
03:28:27,670 --> 03:28:27,680
power to not have it. And I want people
 

10085
03:28:27,680 --> 03:28:31,110
power to not have it. And I want people
that have harmed people to be an example

10086
03:28:31,110 --> 03:28:31,120
that have harmed people to be an example
 

10087
03:28:31,120 --> 03:28:33,910
that have harmed people to be an example
where they can't harm anyone anymore.

10088
03:28:33,910 --> 03:28:33,920
where they can't harm anyone anymore.
 

10089
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:36,229
where they can't harm anyone anymore.
And then people understand that that has

10090
03:28:36,229 --> 03:28:36,239
And then people understand that that has
 

10091
03:28:36,239 --> 03:28:38,070
And then people understand that that has
consequences and then they don't harm

10092
03:28:38,070 --> 03:28:38,080
consequences and then they don't harm
 

10093
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:38,950
consequences and then they don't harm
people.

10094
03:28:38,950 --> 03:28:38,960
people.
 

10095
03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:42,550
people.
>> Gotcha.

10096
03:28:42,550 --> 03:28:42,560

 

10097
03:28:42,560 --> 03:28:44,870

>> All right. Well, I I have pretty much

10098
03:28:44,870 --> 03:28:44,880
>> All right. Well, I I have pretty much
 

10099
03:28:44,880 --> 03:28:47,030
>> All right. Well, I I have pretty much
finished up most of my questions. Um,

10100
03:28:47,030 --> 03:28:47,040
finished up most of my questions. Um,
 

10101
03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:48,950
finished up most of my questions. Um,
was there any questions that you had for

10102
03:28:48,950 --> 03:28:48,960
was there any questions that you had for
 

10103
03:28:48,960 --> 03:28:52,150
was there any questions that you had for
me uh going forward or like anything

10104
03:28:52,150 --> 03:28:52,160
me uh going forward or like anything
 

10105
03:28:52,160 --> 03:28:54,229
me uh going forward or like anything
that you wanted to add, then now would

10106
03:28:54,229 --> 03:28:54,239
that you wanted to add, then now would
 

10107
03:28:54,239 --> 03:28:57,269
that you wanted to add, then now would
be a good time to do so?

10108
03:28:57,269 --> 03:28:57,279
be a good time to do so?
 

10109
03:28:57,279 --> 03:28:58,790
be a good time to do so?
>> Um,

10110
03:28:58,790 --> 03:28:58,800
>> Um,
 

10111
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:01,110
>> Um,
I don't I don't I don't believe so.

10112
03:29:01,110 --> 03:29:01,120
I don't I don't I don't believe so.
 

10113
03:29:01,120 --> 03:29:03,110
I don't I don't I don't believe so.
>> Okay. Here's what I would at least

10114
03:29:03,110 --> 03:29:03,120
>> Okay. Here's what I would at least
 

10115
03:29:03,120 --> 03:29:07,429
>> Okay. Here's what I would at least
advise you do. Um, because I want you to

10116
03:29:07,429 --> 03:29:07,439
advise you do. Um, because I want you to
 

10117
03:29:07,439 --> 03:29:10,229
advise you do. Um, because I want you to
at least have a better perspective on

10118
03:29:10,229 --> 03:29:10,239
at least have a better perspective on
 

10119
03:29:10,239 --> 03:29:12,710
at least have a better perspective on
all the content that's been released.

10120
03:29:12,710 --> 03:29:12,720
all the content that's been released.
 

10121
03:29:12,720 --> 03:29:15,429
all the content that's been released.
Um, I'm not saying that you should do

10122
03:29:15,429 --> 03:29:15,439
Um, I'm not saying that you should do
 

10123
03:29:15,439 --> 03:29:17,670
Um, I'm not saying that you should do
these things. I'm not demanding you do

10124
03:29:17,670 --> 03:29:17,680
these things. I'm not demanding you do
 

10125
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:19,750
these things. I'm not demanding you do
these things. I am saying that if you

10126
03:29:19,750 --> 03:29:19,760
these things. I am saying that if you
 

10127
03:29:19,760 --> 03:29:22,229
these things. I am saying that if you
want to move forward, you should

10128
03:29:22,229 --> 03:29:22,239
want to move forward, you should
 

10129
03:29:22,239 --> 03:29:24,389
want to move forward, you should
understand really what the criticism is

10130
03:29:24,389 --> 03:29:24,399
understand really what the criticism is
 

10131
03:29:24,399 --> 03:29:28,469
understand really what the criticism is
of you going forward. Um, I've watched

10132
03:29:28,469 --> 03:29:28,479
of you going forward. Um, I've watched
 

10133
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:30,309
of you going forward. Um, I've watched
Beckett's video a couple of times just

10134
03:29:30,309 --> 03:29:30,319
Beckett's video a couple of times just
 

10135
03:29:30,319 --> 03:29:32,550
Beckett's video a couple of times just
because it talks, you know, kind of

10136
03:29:32,550 --> 03:29:32,560
because it talks, you know, kind of
 

10137
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:33,910
because it talks, you know, kind of
negatively about me and I would like to

10138
03:29:33,910 --> 03:29:33,920
negatively about me and I would like to
 

10139
03:29:33,920 --> 03:29:36,309
negatively about me and I would like to
know what he had to say. It's harsh.

10140
03:29:36,309 --> 03:29:36,319
know what he had to say. It's harsh.
 

10141
03:29:36,319 --> 03:29:39,030
know what he had to say. It's harsh.
It's not nice, but it was important for

10142
03:29:39,030 --> 03:29:39,040
It's not nice, but it was important for
 

10143
03:29:39,040 --> 03:29:41,110
It's not nice, but it was important for
me to hear so that at least when I go

10144
03:29:41,110 --> 03:29:41,120
me to hear so that at least when I go
 

10145
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:43,349
me to hear so that at least when I go
into conversations with others who ask

10146
03:29:43,349 --> 03:29:43,359
into conversations with others who ask
 

10147
03:29:43,359 --> 03:29:45,349
into conversations with others who ask
me about the video, I know what the hell

10148
03:29:45,349 --> 03:29:45,359
me about the video, I know what the hell
 

10149
03:29:45,359 --> 03:29:47,269
me about the video, I know what the hell
I'm talking about, right? I don't want

10150
03:29:47,269 --> 03:29:47,279
I'm talking about, right? I don't want
 

10151
03:29:47,279 --> 03:29:48,710
I'm talking about, right? I don't want
to be like, "Oh, this is what the video

10152
03:29:48,710 --> 03:29:48,720
to be like, "Oh, this is what the video
 

10153
03:29:48,720 --> 03:29:49,830
to be like, "Oh, this is what the video
says about me, blah, blah, blah." When

10154
03:29:49,830 --> 03:29:49,840
says about me, blah, blah, blah." When
 

10155
03:29:49,840 --> 03:29:51,190
says about me, blah, blah, blah." When
I've never seen it.

10156
03:29:51,190 --> 03:29:51,200
I've never seen it.
 

10157
03:29:51,200 --> 03:29:54,710
I've never seen it.
>> I get that idea, but this is a random

10158
03:29:54,710 --> 03:29:54,720
>> I get that idea, but this is a random
 

10159
03:29:54,720 --> 03:29:56,950
>> I get that idea, but this is a random
[\h__\h]

10160
03:29:56,950 --> 03:29:56,960
[\h__\h]
 

10161
03:29:56,960 --> 03:29:59,750
[\h__\h]
I he put a video out and it has more

10162
03:29:59,750 --> 03:29:59,760
I he put a video out and it has more
 

10163
03:29:59,760 --> 03:30:01,750
I he put a video out and it has more
important people than him in it.

10164
03:30:01,750 --> 03:30:01,760
important people than him in it.
 

10165
03:30:01,760 --> 03:30:04,870
important people than him in it.
>> So people are acting like it's uh it's

10166
03:30:04,870 --> 03:30:04,880
>> So people are acting like it's uh it's
 

10167
03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:07,590
>> So people are acting like it's uh it's
something worth giving time to.

10168
03:30:07,590 --> 03:30:07,600
something worth giving time to.
 

10169
03:30:07,600 --> 03:30:07,990
something worth giving time to.
>> Mhm.

10170
03:30:07,990 --> 03:30:08,000
>> Mhm.
 

10171
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:09,910
>> Mhm.
>> But I think he isn't worth giving time

10172
03:30:09,910 --> 03:30:09,920
>> But I think he isn't worth giving time
 

10173
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:12,950
>> But I think he isn't worth giving time
to. If if any of that is essential to

10174
03:30:12,950 --> 03:30:12,960
to. If if any of that is essential to
 

10175
03:30:12,960 --> 03:30:16,309
to. If if any of that is essential to
me, I will respond to it from someone

10176
03:30:16,309 --> 03:30:16,319
me, I will respond to it from someone
 

10177
03:30:16,319 --> 03:30:20,070
me, I will respond to it from someone
who matters that saying it. Um, if you

10178
03:30:20,070 --> 03:30:20,080
who matters that saying it. Um, if you
 

10179
03:30:20,080 --> 03:30:21,590
who matters that saying it. Um, if you
want to talk to me about the specifics

10180
03:30:21,590 --> 03:30:21,600
want to talk to me about the specifics
 

10181
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:24,309
want to talk to me about the specifics
of it, uh, either in a recording or off

10182
03:30:24,309 --> 03:30:24,319
of it, uh, either in a recording or off
 

10183
03:30:24,319 --> 03:30:25,590
of it, uh, either in a recording or off
a recording,

10184
03:30:25,590 --> 03:30:25,600
a recording,
 

10185
03:30:25,600 --> 03:30:27,349
a recording,
>> I I will do that,

10186
03:30:27,349 --> 03:30:27,359
>> I I will do that,
 

10187
03:30:27,359 --> 03:30:27,750
>> I I will do that,
>> right?

10188
03:30:27,750 --> 03:30:27,760
>> right?
 

10189
03:30:27,760 --> 03:30:29,269
>> right?
>> But I don't want to give him the time of

10190
03:30:29,269 --> 03:30:29,279
>> But I don't want to give him the time of
 

10191
03:30:29,279 --> 03:30:32,070
>> But I don't want to give him the time of
day. I don't think anyone should. I will

10192
03:30:32,070 --> 03:30:32,080
day. I don't think anyone should. I will
 

10193
03:30:32,080 --> 03:30:34,710
day. I don't think anyone should. I will
respond to every criticism

10194
03:30:34,710 --> 03:30:34,720
respond to every criticism
 

10195
03:30:34,720 --> 03:30:38,070
respond to every criticism
if if that is what needs to happen. I

10196
03:30:38,070 --> 03:30:38,080
if if that is what needs to happen. I
 

10197
03:30:38,080 --> 03:30:41,030
if if that is what needs to happen. I
just won't respond to him about it.

10198
03:30:41,030 --> 03:30:41,040
just won't respond to him about it.
 

10199
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:42,710
just won't respond to him about it.
>> Okay.

10200
03:30:42,710 --> 03:30:42,720
>> Okay.
 

10201
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:44,870
>> Okay.
Well, I mean that is something I guess I

10202
03:30:44,870 --> 03:30:44,880
Well, I mean that is something I guess I
 

10203
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:46,790
Well, I mean that is something I guess I
can give you a bullet point list for and

10204
03:30:46,790 --> 03:30:46,800
can give you a bullet point list for and
 

10205
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:50,150
can give you a bullet point list for and
you can respond on your own terms. Um I

10206
03:30:50,150 --> 03:30:50,160
you can respond on your own terms. Um I
 

10207
03:30:50,160 --> 03:30:53,269
you can respond on your own terms. Um I
I was going to adi give advise maybe

10208
03:30:53,269 --> 03:30:53,279
I was going to adi give advise maybe
 

10209
03:30:53,279 --> 03:30:54,950
I was going to adi give advise maybe
giving it a watch, but I mean you don't

10210
03:30:54,950 --> 03:30:54,960
giving it a watch, but I mean you don't
 

10211
03:30:54,960 --> 03:30:57,990
giving it a watch, but I mean you don't
have to do it. I get it. Like it's it's

10212
03:30:57,990 --> 03:30:58,000
have to do it. I get it. Like it's it's
 

10213
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:00,229
have to do it. I get it. Like it's it's
not nice. Let's just say and I get that

10214
03:31:00,229 --> 03:31:00,239
not nice. Let's just say and I get that
 

10215
03:31:00,239 --> 03:31:01,510
not nice. Let's just say and I get that
it's just like he's an [\h__\h] I don't

10216
03:31:01,510 --> 03:31:01,520
it's just like he's an [\h__\h] I don't
 

10217
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:02,950
it's just like he's an [\h__\h] I don't
want to give him the attention and time.

10218
03:31:02,950 --> 03:31:02,960
want to give him the attention and time.
 

10219
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:04,150
want to give him the attention and time.
You know what? Maybe you're sparing

10220
03:31:04,150 --> 03:31:04,160
You know what? Maybe you're sparing
 

10221
03:31:04,160 --> 03:31:05,830
You know what? Maybe you're sparing
yourself. Uh maybe you're sparing

10222
03:31:05,830 --> 03:31:05,840
yourself. Uh maybe you're sparing
 

10223
03:31:05,840 --> 03:31:08,229
yourself. Uh maybe you're sparing
yourself mentally from that. Um

10224
03:31:08,229 --> 03:31:08,239
yourself mentally from that. Um
 

10225
03:31:08,239 --> 03:31:09,110
yourself mentally from that. Um
>> yeah,

10226
03:31:09,110 --> 03:31:09,120
>> yeah,
 

10227
03:31:09,120 --> 03:31:10,630
>> yeah,
>> maybe that is for the best. I don't

10228
03:31:10,630 --> 03:31:10,640
>> maybe that is for the best. I don't
 

10229
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:12,469
>> maybe that is for the best. I don't
know. But I just want you

10230
03:31:12,469 --> 03:31:12,479
know. But I just want you
 

10231
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:14,469
know. But I just want you
>> I also do need that a little bit

10232
03:31:14,469 --> 03:31:14,479
>> I also do need that a little bit
 

10233
03:31:14,479 --> 03:31:17,110
>> I also do need that a little bit
honestly things while I am in a better

10234
03:31:17,110 --> 03:31:17,120
honestly things while I am in a better
 

10235
03:31:17,120 --> 03:31:19,590
honestly things while I am in a better
spot. It is um

10236
03:31:19,590 --> 03:31:19,600
spot. It is um
 

10237
03:31:19,600 --> 03:31:20,950
spot. It is um
>> you know

10238
03:31:20,950 --> 03:31:20,960
>> you know
 

10239
03:31:20,960 --> 03:31:23,110
>> you know
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is that a lot

10240
03:31:23,110 --> 03:31:23,120
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is that a lot
 

10241
03:31:23,120 --> 03:31:24,950
>> Yeah. But what I'm saying is that a lot
of people will be citing that video

10242
03:31:24,950 --> 03:31:24,960
of people will be citing that video
 

10243
03:31:24,960 --> 03:31:27,590
of people will be citing that video
further and further into the future. uh

10244
03:31:27,590 --> 03:31:27,600
further and further into the future. uh
 

10245
03:31:27,600 --> 03:31:29,510
further and further into the future. uh
whether that is to discredit you or

10246
03:31:29,510 --> 03:31:29,520
whether that is to discredit you or
 

10247
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:31,910
whether that is to discredit you or
whatever it may be that I think it is

10248
03:31:31,910 --> 03:31:31,920
whatever it may be that I think it is
 

10249
03:31:31,920 --> 03:31:33,510
whatever it may be that I think it is
important to at least give it a watch

10250
03:31:33,510 --> 03:31:33,520
important to at least give it a watch
 

10251
03:31:33,520 --> 03:31:36,070
important to at least give it a watch
just so that you know what people are

10252
03:31:36,070 --> 03:31:36,080
just so that you know what people are
 

10253
03:31:36,080 --> 03:31:37,510
just so that you know what people are
where people are coming from because

10254
03:31:37,510 --> 03:31:37,520
where people are coming from because
 

10255
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:39,590
where people are coming from because
when someone says you know something

10256
03:31:39,590 --> 03:31:39,600
when someone says you know something
 

10257
03:31:39,600 --> 03:31:41,110
when someone says you know something
that comes from that video and you're

10258
03:31:41,110 --> 03:31:41,120
that comes from that video and you're
 

10259
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:42,389
that comes from that video and you're
just like what the hell are you talking

10260
03:31:42,389 --> 03:31:42,399
just like what the hell are you talking
 

10261
03:31:42,399 --> 03:31:44,790
just like what the hell are you talking
about like you'll know where it's coming

10262
03:31:44,790 --> 03:31:44,800
about like you'll know where it's coming
 

10263
03:31:44,800 --> 03:31:46,550
about like you'll know where it's coming
from and you know how to debunk it kind

10264
03:31:46,550 --> 03:31:46,560
from and you know how to debunk it kind
 

10265
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:48,070
from and you know how to debunk it kind
of thing like it's better to have that

10266
03:31:48,070 --> 03:31:48,080
of thing like it's better to have that
 

10267
03:31:48,080 --> 03:31:49,590
of thing like it's better to have that
in your arsenal and at least have

10268
03:31:49,590 --> 03:31:49,600
in your arsenal and at least have
 

10269
03:31:49,600 --> 03:31:51,750
in your arsenal and at least have
knowledge of what's being said than to

10270
03:31:51,750 --> 03:31:51,760
knowledge of what's being said than to
 

10271
03:31:51,760 --> 03:31:53,190
knowledge of what's being said than to
it kind of come out of nowhere and

10272
03:31:53,190 --> 03:31:53,200
it kind of come out of nowhere and
 

10273
03:31:53,200 --> 03:31:54,550
it kind of come out of nowhere and
you're like what the where the [\h__\h] is

10274
03:31:54,550 --> 03:31:54,560
you're like what the where the [\h__\h] is
 

10275
03:31:54,560 --> 03:31:57,190
you're like what the where the [\h__\h] is
this coming from kind of thing but I

10276
03:31:57,190 --> 03:31:57,200
this coming from kind of thing but I
 

10277
03:31:57,200 --> 03:31:57,429
this coming from kind of thing but I
mean,

10278
03:31:57,429 --> 03:31:57,439
mean,
 

10279
03:31:57,439 --> 03:31:59,190
mean,
>> I mean, people make up things about me

10280
03:31:59,190 --> 03:31:59,200
>> I mean, people make up things about me
 

10281
03:31:59,200 --> 03:32:01,190
>> I mean, people make up things about me
all the time. Uh, and even if they're

10282
03:32:01,190 --> 03:32:01,200
all the time. Uh, and even if they're
 

10283
03:32:01,200 --> 03:32:03,990
all the time. Uh, and even if they're
citing things about me that are true or

10284
03:32:03,990 --> 03:32:04,000
citing things about me that are true or
 

10285
03:32:04,000 --> 03:32:05,670
citing things about me that are true or
things that are are that are kind of

10286
03:32:05,670 --> 03:32:05,680
things that are are that are kind of
 

10287
03:32:05,680 --> 03:32:07,830
things that are are that are kind of
true but out of context or whatever.

10288
03:32:07,830 --> 03:32:07,840
true but out of context or whatever.
 

10289
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:08,229
true but out of context or whatever.
>> Mhm.

10290
03:32:08,229 --> 03:32:08,239
>> Mhm.
 

10291
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:13,349
>> Mhm.
>> Um, I I don't think he matters enough

10292
03:32:13,349 --> 03:32:13,359
>> Um, I I don't think he matters enough
 

10293
03:32:13,359 --> 03:32:15,910
>> Um, I I don't think he matters enough
for me to do that. I think that the more

10294
03:32:15,910 --> 03:32:15,920
for me to do that. I think that the more
 

10295
03:32:15,920 --> 03:32:18,229
for me to do that. I think that the more
attention I give to him, the more he

10296
03:32:18,229 --> 03:32:18,239
attention I give to him, the more he
 

10297
03:32:18,239 --> 03:32:20,070
attention I give to him, the more he
matters, and I'd rather him just

10298
03:32:20,070 --> 03:32:20,080
matters, and I'd rather him just
 

10299
03:32:20,080 --> 03:32:21,670
matters, and I'd rather him just
continue to not

10300
03:32:21,670 --> 03:32:21,680
continue to not
 

10301
03:32:21,680 --> 03:32:23,429
continue to not
>> Okay.

10302
03:32:23,429 --> 03:32:23,439
>> Okay.
 

10303
03:32:23,439 --> 03:32:24,870
>> Okay.
All right. I mean, I guess I understand

10304
03:32:24,870 --> 03:32:24,880
All right. I mean, I guess I understand
 

10305
03:32:24,880 --> 03:32:26,710
All right. I mean, I guess I understand
it from that perspective. you want to

10306
03:32:26,710 --> 03:32:26,720
it from that perspective. you want to
 

10307
03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:28,469
it from that perspective. you want to
bring attention to the things that

10308
03:32:28,469 --> 03:32:28,479
bring attention to the things that
 

10309
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:30,389
bring attention to the things that
matter and you don't want to give him

10310
03:32:30,389 --> 03:32:30,399
matter and you don't want to give him
 

10311
03:32:30,399 --> 03:32:31,670
matter and you don't want to give him
any more attention that you don't think

10312
03:32:31,670 --> 03:32:31,680
any more attention that you don't think
 

10313
03:32:31,680 --> 03:32:34,469
any more attention that you don't think
he doesn't deserve kind of thing.

10314
03:32:34,469 --> 03:32:34,479
he doesn't deserve kind of thing.
 

10315
03:32:34,479 --> 03:32:36,630
he doesn't deserve kind of thing.
>> I mean like people have criticisms of me

10316
03:32:36,630 --> 03:32:36,640
>> I mean like people have criticisms of me
 

10317
03:32:36,640 --> 03:32:39,349
>> I mean like people have criticisms of me
but I think he's blatantly worse in

10318
03:32:39,349 --> 03:32:39,359
but I think he's blatantly worse in
 

10319
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:42,309
but I think he's blatantly worse in
every way. So I I don't really want to

10320
03:32:42,309 --> 03:32:42,319
every way. So I I don't really want to
 

10321
03:32:42,319 --> 03:32:44,550
every way. So I I don't really want to
say I'm not trying to say that as smug.

10322
03:32:44,550 --> 03:32:44,560
say I'm not trying to say that as smug.
 

10323
03:32:44,560 --> 03:32:47,590
say I'm not trying to say that as smug.
I'm just trying to say that as

10324
03:32:47,590 --> 03:32:47,600
I'm just trying to say that as
 

10325
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:49,910
I'm just trying to say that as
I don't understand the people that cite

10326
03:32:49,910 --> 03:32:49,920
I don't understand the people that cite
 

10327
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:50,950
I don't understand the people that cite
it

10328
03:32:50,950 --> 03:32:50,960
it
 

10329
03:32:50,960 --> 03:32:53,510
it
>> unless they just don't know who it is

10330
03:32:53,510 --> 03:32:53,520
>> unless they just don't know who it is
 

10331
03:32:53,520 --> 03:32:55,030
>> unless they just don't know who it is
>> and they don't really pick up on the

10332
03:32:55,030 --> 03:32:55,040
>> and they don't really pick up on the
 

10333
03:32:55,040 --> 03:32:59,030
>> and they don't really pick up on the
nuances of like why he's doing all this,

10334
03:32:59,030 --> 03:32:59,040
nuances of like why he's doing all this,
 

10335
03:32:59,040 --> 03:32:59,510
nuances of like why he's doing all this,
>> right?

10336
03:32:59,510 --> 03:32:59,520
>> right?
 

10337
03:32:59,520 --> 03:33:01,910
>> right?
>> Um

10338
03:33:01,910 --> 03:33:01,920
>> Um
 

10339
03:33:01,920 --> 03:33:03,590
>> Um
>> I mean, why do you think he's doing all

10340
03:33:03,590 --> 03:33:03,600
>> I mean, why do you think he's doing all
 

10341
03:33:03,600 --> 03:33:05,269
>> I mean, why do you think he's doing all
this?

10342
03:33:05,269 --> 03:33:05,279
this?
 

10343
03:33:05,279 --> 03:33:08,550
this?
>> It's in the name. Uh he's he's a rage

10344
03:33:08,550 --> 03:33:08,560
>> It's in the name. Uh he's he's a rage
 

10345
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:13,110
>> It's in the name. Uh he's he's a rage
beater. He defends people that are being

10346
03:33:13,110 --> 03:33:13,120
beater. He defends people that are being
 

10347
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:16,790
beater. He defends people that are being
SJWed against or whatever. Um, and and

10348
03:33:16,790 --> 03:33:16,800
SJWed against or whatever. Um, and and
 

10349
03:33:16,800 --> 03:33:20,950
SJWed against or whatever. Um, and and
and goes, "Oh, look how crazy they are.

10350
03:33:20,950 --> 03:33:20,960
and goes, "Oh, look how crazy they are.
 

10351
03:33:20,960 --> 03:33:23,349
and goes, "Oh, look how crazy they are.
They're still going on about this

10352
03:33:23,349 --> 03:33:23,359
They're still going on about this
 

10353
03:33:23,359 --> 03:33:25,670
They're still going on about this
situation. They still think this guy's a

10354
03:33:25,670 --> 03:33:25,680
situation. They still think this guy's a
 

10355
03:33:25,680 --> 03:33:29,190
situation. They still think this guy's a
predator. Why won't they give it a rest?

10356
03:33:29,190 --> 03:33:29,200
predator. Why won't they give it a rest?
 

10357
03:33:29,200 --> 03:33:31,830
predator. Why won't they give it a rest?
Here's here's their here's their stupid

10358
03:33:31,830 --> 03:33:31,840
Here's here's their here's their stupid
 

10359
03:33:31,840 --> 03:33:34,070
Here's here's their here's their stupid
fanfic here. They're asking for money

10360
03:33:34,070 --> 03:33:34,080
fanfic here. They're asking for money
 

10361
03:33:34,080 --> 03:33:36,469
fanfic here. They're asking for money
cuz they're poor. Why can't they pick

10362
03:33:36,469 --> 03:33:36,479
cuz they're poor. Why can't they pick
 

10363
03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:38,950
cuz they're poor. Why can't they pick
themselves up by their bootstraps? you

10364
03:33:38,950 --> 03:33:38,960
themselves up by their bootstraps? you
 

10365
03:33:38,960 --> 03:33:41,510
themselves up by their bootstraps? you
know, he just he just sucks. I'm sorry.

10366
03:33:41,510 --> 03:33:41,520
know, he just he just sucks. I'm sorry.
 

10367
03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:42,070
know, he just he just sucks. I'm sorry.
He just

10368
03:33:42,070 --> 03:33:42,080
He just
 

10369
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:44,790
He just
>> All right. Well, I won't try to convince

10370
03:33:44,790 --> 03:33:44,800
>> All right. Well, I won't try to convince
 

10371
03:33:44,800 --> 03:33:46,150
>> All right. Well, I won't try to convince
you any further than that. I just

10372
03:33:46,150 --> 03:33:46,160
you any further than that. I just
 

10373
03:33:46,160 --> 03:33:48,070
you any further than that. I just
thought it would be a good idea in

10374
03:33:48,070 --> 03:33:48,080
thought it would be a good idea in
 

10375
03:33:48,080 --> 03:33:49,590
thought it would be a good idea in
future so that you can address it

10376
03:33:49,590 --> 03:33:49,600
future so that you can address it
 

10377
03:33:49,600 --> 03:33:52,070
future so that you can address it
properly. But, I mean, if that's that's

10378
03:33:52,070 --> 03:33:52,080
properly. But, I mean, if that's that's
 

10379
03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:53,510
properly. But, I mean, if that's that's
how you feel, I can't I can't convince

10380
03:33:53,510 --> 03:33:53,520
how you feel, I can't I can't convince
 

10381
03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:54,950
how you feel, I can't I can't convince
you one way or another. I mean, it's a

10382
03:33:54,950 --> 03:33:54,960
you one way or another. I mean, it's a
 

10383
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:56,950
you one way or another. I mean, it's a
it's a tough watch. I I can tell you

10384
03:33:56,950 --> 03:33:56,960
it's a tough watch. I I can tell you
 

10385
03:33:56,960 --> 03:33:59,269
it's a tough watch. I I can tell you
from personal experience. Like people

10386
03:33:59,269 --> 03:33:59,279
from personal experience. Like people
 

10387
03:33:59,279 --> 03:34:01,990
from personal experience. Like people
retweet Keemstar in Drama Alert because

10388
03:34:01,990 --> 03:34:02,000
retweet Keemstar in Drama Alert because
 

10389
03:34:02,000 --> 03:34:04,469
retweet Keemstar in Drama Alert because
they think that at least the information

10390
03:34:04,469 --> 03:34:04,479
they think that at least the information
 

10391
03:34:04,479 --> 03:34:06,469
they think that at least the information
is informative,

10392
03:34:06,469 --> 03:34:06,479
is informative,
 

10393
03:34:06,479 --> 03:34:09,750
is informative,
>> but I think it worsens everything that

10394
03:34:09,750 --> 03:34:09,760
>> but I think it worsens everything that
 

10395
03:34:09,760 --> 03:34:11,910
>> but I think it worsens everything that
the citation is that

10396
03:34:11,910 --> 03:34:11,920
the citation is that
 

10397
03:34:11,920 --> 03:34:15,990
the citation is that
>> I I I would rather anyone else talk

10398
03:34:15,990 --> 03:34:16,000
>> I I I would rather anyone else talk
 

10399
03:34:16,000 --> 03:34:19,670
>> I I I would rather anyone else talk
about this than Killer Keemstar,

10400
03:34:19,670 --> 03:34:19,680
about this than Killer Keemstar,
 

10401
03:34:19,680 --> 03:34:21,910
about this than Killer Keemstar,
>> right? And I don't want to help create

10402
03:34:21,910 --> 03:34:21,920
>> right? And I don't want to help create
 

10403
03:34:21,920 --> 03:34:24,950
>> right? And I don't want to help create
another Killer Keemstar cuz right now

10404
03:34:24,950 --> 03:34:24,960
another Killer Keemstar cuz right now
 

10405
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:27,030
another Killer Keemstar cuz right now
it's just a rando.

10406
03:34:27,030 --> 03:34:27,040
it's just a rando.
 

10407
03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:31,110
it's just a rando.
>> Like if it was Killer Keemstar,

10408
03:34:31,110 --> 03:34:31,120
>> Like if it was Killer Keemstar,
 

10409
03:34:31,120 --> 03:34:33,510
>> Like if it was Killer Keemstar,
I still wouldn't want to address it. But

10410
03:34:33,510 --> 03:34:33,520
I still wouldn't want to address it. But
 

10411
03:34:33,520 --> 03:34:35,269
I still wouldn't want to address it. But
at that point, I wouldn't have a choice

10412
03:34:35,269 --> 03:34:35,279
at that point, I wouldn't have a choice
 

10413
03:34:35,279 --> 03:34:37,990
at that point, I wouldn't have a choice
because they have influence.

10414
03:34:37,990 --> 03:34:38,000
because they have influence.
 

10415
03:34:38,000 --> 03:34:38,469
because they have influence.
>> Mhm.

10416
03:34:38,469 --> 03:34:38,479
>> Mhm.
 

10417
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:41,190
>> Mhm.
>> But for now, this person doesn't.

10418
03:34:41,190 --> 03:34:41,200
>> But for now, this person doesn't.
 

10419
03:34:41,200 --> 03:34:43,110
>> But for now, this person doesn't.
>> Gotcha.

10420
03:34:43,110 --> 03:34:43,120
>> Gotcha.
 

10421
03:34:43,120 --> 03:34:45,590
>> Gotcha.
All right. Fair enough. I mean, I

10422
03:34:45,590 --> 03:34:45,600
All right. Fair enough. I mean, I
 

10423
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:47,990
All right. Fair enough. I mean, I
thought I might have got might just

10424
03:34:47,990 --> 03:34:48,000
thought I might have got might just
 

10425
03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:50,870
thought I might have got might just
suggest the idea cuz like even I have to

10426
03:34:50,870 --> 03:34:50,880
suggest the idea cuz like even I have to
 

10427
03:34:50,880 --> 03:34:52,389
suggest the idea cuz like even I have to
watch stuff that's very negative about

10428
03:34:52,389 --> 03:34:52,399
watch stuff that's very negative about
 

10429
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:55,590
watch stuff that's very negative about
me sometimes and it's better to at least

10430
03:34:55,590 --> 03:34:55,600
me sometimes and it's better to at least
 

10431
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:57,190
me sometimes and it's better to at least
hear it and get it over with and then

10432
03:34:57,190 --> 03:34:57,200
hear it and get it over with and then
 

10433
03:34:57,200 --> 03:34:58,950
hear it and get it over with and then
cry about it for a day and then be like,

10434
03:34:58,950 --> 03:34:58,960
cry about it for a day and then be like,
 

10435
03:34:58,960 --> 03:35:00,630
cry about it for a day and then be like,
you know what, this [\h__\h] doesn't matter.

10436
03:35:00,630 --> 03:35:00,640
you know what, this [\h__\h] doesn't matter.
 

10437
03:35:00,640 --> 03:35:01,510
you know what, this [\h__\h] doesn't matter.
You know what I mean?

10438
03:35:01,510 --> 03:35:01,520
You know what I mean?
 

10439
03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:04,630
You know what I mean?
>> Like if you if if

10440
03:35:04,630 --> 03:35:04,640
>> Like if you if if
 

10441
03:35:04,640 --> 03:35:06,309
>> Like if you if if
like like I said, if you if you want to

10442
03:35:06,309 --> 03:35:06,319
like like I said, if you if you want to
 

10443
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:08,469
like like I said, if you if you want to
tell me about everything that happens,

10444
03:35:08,469 --> 03:35:08,479
tell me about everything that happens,
 

10445
03:35:08,479 --> 03:35:10,469
tell me about everything that happens,
I'm very open to that,

10446
03:35:10,469 --> 03:35:10,479
I'm very open to that,
 

10447
03:35:10,479 --> 03:35:13,349
I'm very open to that,
>> right? I just don't want to give him

10448
03:35:13,349 --> 03:35:13,359
>> right? I just don't want to give him
 

10449
03:35:13,359 --> 03:35:14,630
>> right? I just don't want to give him
anything.

10450
03:35:14,630 --> 03:35:14,640
anything.
 

10451
03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:17,190
anything.
>> Okay.

10452
03:35:17,190 --> 03:35:17,200
>> Okay.
 

10453
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:21,110
>> Okay.
All right. Uh uh I think we're kind of

10454
03:35:21,110 --> 03:35:21,120
All right. Uh uh I think we're kind of
 

10455
03:35:21,120 --> 03:35:25,590
All right. Uh uh I think we're kind of
wrapping up here. I'm like sore. I I

10456
03:35:25,590 --> 03:35:25,600
wrapping up here. I'm like sore. I I
 

10457
03:35:25,600 --> 03:35:27,670
wrapping up here. I'm like sore. I I
hate I hate this chair. Alex is right.

10458
03:35:27,670 --> 03:35:27,680
hate I hate this chair. Alex is right.
 

10459
03:35:27,680 --> 03:35:29,510
hate I hate this chair. Alex is right.
We need to replace this. This is [\h__\h]

10460
03:35:29,510 --> 03:35:29,520
We need to replace this. This is [\h__\h]
 

10461
03:35:29,520 --> 03:35:31,030
We need to replace this. This is [\h__\h]
[\h__\h]

10462
03:35:31,030 --> 03:35:31,040
[\h__\h]
 

10463
03:35:31,040 --> 03:35:35,279
[\h__\h]
But that will end the recording