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pedophilia, lollycon and child
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harassment and sexual objectification,
bestiality and zophilia and rape. Please
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video. Hello viewers, welcome to another
segment of Maybe the internet was a big
[\h__\h] mistake.
Big mistake. Big huge. On a more serious
note, this video covers sexual
gratification as well as general sexual
harassment. And it's a very depressing
story. If you're a kid who somehow got
past the age restriction, please go away
now. Just go. Now, I don't like covering
these stories. We're an animation
channel. We cover very important stuff
like Disney and not Disney things
sometimes, but I like to think of myself
like the John Stewart of the YouTube
animation community. I call things out
when I feel like I can add something to
the conversation. And it's important to
talk about when YouTubers are misusing
their platforms. So, what's the no fun
situation? Because I hate it here. I
don't want to be alive anymore. I have
chosen not to keep this person anonymous
because I believe this is not a mistake
or slip of the tongue. This is an active
attempt of slander and misogyny and
that's just not acceptable. Also, this
incident wasn't freely admitted to me. I
had to have someone else tell me that
this was going on in a professional
setting and he couldn't even tell me
himself. Chris was a team member roughly
from 2014 to 2015. I know I'm old. Chris
was generally a nice guy in my time
knowing him, but he exhibited weird
behavior like you just draw this for
your boss, right? If memory serves,
there's also a nude version. That's
disgusting. He was also my first trip to
Everfree Northwest, the one we did the
blog about. He's this guy here. The
story is as follows. I'm not going to
read it myself because it's going to
make me sick. So, I'm just going to have
someone else read it. At some point over
the last few years, Chris told this
story allegedly several times that in
the bathroom of the hotel where the
group was staying, he was masturbating
to KP's clothing. Chris states that this
is a lie as he was actually constipated
during the trip and there were no
witnesses to his masturbation story in
or near the hotel room. We don't know
the details about who the story was told
to besides the whistleblower who will
remain anonymous, but it was likely Will
Ryan, head of the YouTube channel DA
Games, as Chris and Will are friends as
well as friends andor employees of that
YouTube channel. Chris also started
working for DA Games shortly after
leaving the I Love Composible Law
production team, so the timelines track.
Once KP was informed that this incident
took place, she confronted him via text
and an audio confession. The audio is
linked in the description if you would
like to listen to the whole thing
yourself. All right. Well, first I think
it's the obvious thing is
one just want to profusely apologize for
that terrible [\h__\h] thing. I did. Mhm.
And
that
God was an absolute horrible person so
many years ago and you didn't deserve
that. So,
right. Um, so I have a couple of things.
So, my source says, um, you told the
story in front of Will and Sean and a
couple other people. Is that correct?
Uh, that would probably be correct.
Yeah. So Will has heard the story
probably in passing a couple of times,
correct?
Yeah, probably once. Okay. Um, same with
Sean.
Yeah, Sean. Okay. Did you talk to Shawn
um uh privately about anything else that
happened when you were working on the
team that I don't know about?
Not that I can remember. Okay.
Nothing I say is meant to
uh excuse what I did because it's
inexcusable what I did. Can you do you
want me to say what what what what the
story was just for context or do you
want to explain it?
Uh I mean I guess it makes more sense if
I do because I don't think it's fair for
you to have to reiterate that horrible
thing. Sure. Go ahead. Uh, yeah. So the
old
um tale goes is that I pleasured myself
in the hotel bathroom we were sharing
during one of our breaks when everyone
was gone and whatever and that I fell
off the John
uh after
uh basically getting lightheaded from
what would be ejaculation falling on the
or where your dirty clothes also happen
to be and that my face planted on your
underwear.
Right. And part of my PD version, I have
a six-year-old in the other room. So,
okay. I wasn't aware of that, but thanks
for being honest. Chris in his audio
testimony assured his other boss,
YouTuber Sabers Spark, wasn't told this
story, but it's unclear how truthful
Chris is being when he says that. Chris
also tries to steer the conversation to
not include too much explicitly, stating
that quote, "There is a baby in the
other room," unquote. But that also
might have been a ploy to lessen the
harshness of the anger present.
Regardless, since Chris says he was
lying about the whole incident, it's
difficult to take his word on anything
due to this lie and the actions he took
regarding it. So, once I was informed of
this information and got Chris admitting
to it, I sent that proof to Sabers Spark
through mutual friends and to DA Games.
After reaching out twice and waiting
months for any private messages, I
eventually received someone at DA Games
in their totally real HR department that
totally exists, even though I couldn't
find any proof of it online that's
totally not run by Will's roommate who's
financially dependent on him. And for
the record, I assumed Chris knew he was
being recorded because it was a call
about safety. It only gets worse from
here.
I'm going to need every last drop of
this. Let's bring a political
comparison. For those who forgot or are
not American, good for you. The 2016
leak of the Hollywood Access tape was a
big deal. In a bus, we have an orange
man who shall not be named, and Billy
Bush, a member of the Bush family. He's
a cousin of President George W. Bush, or
as my Gen Z audience would know, the
shoe guy. Who throws a shoe? Honestly,
orange man was talking about women in an
inappropriate way. Google it if you want
to. This whole script is giving me a
[\h__\h] headache. You know, I'm
automatically attracted to beautiful. I
just start kissing them. It's like a
magnet. Now, even though this was in
2005 and leaked in 2016, and even though
Billy Bush was now working for the Today
Show and not Hollywood Access, where the
tape was obtained, Bush was still fired
on moral grounds, not contract
obligations. It seems like keeping him
on staff would be a bad look for the
Today Show, despite this happening over
10 years ago. Imagine that. So, I find
this before his contract excuse to be
weak at best. The ironic thing is Bush
was mostly going along with what was
said. Chris actually did more than Bush
did and suffered less consequences. As
well, if Chris told the story multiple
times, I would assume one of those times
was after his contract was signed. But
don't worry, Chris can still run for
president. Just listen to how Bush
described it affecting his family. What
was it like for you to go back home
after the tape had been released to face
your daughters, your
wife? What was that moment like for you?
Well, the initial moments were uh total
chaos. The paparazzi were never
interested in me before and now they're
outside the gate and ready to go. And
but once we settled
um and got to connect, there was a
powerful moment.
My now 16-year-old daughter called me
and she was in tears and she was really
upset and I I said, "Mary, it's it's
going to be okay. You know, don't
worry." And she said, "No, why were you
laughing at the things that he was
saying on that bus? Why were you playing
along with that? It wasn't funny." I
said, "Mary, I am sorry." And there is
no good answer for that. If you take
another extreme example, do you guys
remember the Michael Vic controversy?
For those who don't know, American
football player Michael Vic was caught
running a dog fighting ring. You know,
where they take poor little puppies and
make them fight to the death for
gambling purposes.
I'm pretty sure there's no clause in his
football contract that says don't do
that, but he was also fired on moral
grounds. Imagine consequences for your
actions. At the very least, let's assume
the absolute best of the situation.
Chris was being truthful. Saber and a
Will wasn't there to hear these
conversations. This happened before he
was hired somehow. I'm glad a
whistleblower came forward. But even so,
if this is how someone is talking about
women, shouldn't you tell their future
bosses? Does an employee talking about
women in this unethical way make the
company look bad? I mean, this isn't
just a slip of the tongue. This is a
purposeful attempt to objectify a woman
due to bitterness and self-esteem
issues, and should be taken seriously in
any workplace, even a virtual one like
YouTube. And the fact that DA Games and
others value Chris's safety and privacy
more than holding him accountable makes
me worry because this is harassment and
I don't have to take it. New
developments. I posted part of the email
exchange on Twitter again and that blew
up. I guess DA Games released a
statement due to public pressure. If
not, then they would have released their
statement a year ago when this email
exchange took place. Chris is going away
on work training. Um, can I have proof
of that, please? Because you've already
been pretty untruthful to me. I think
you guys are just trying to wait until
this all dies down and everyone forgets
and then Chris will just magically
appear.
[Music]
Chris's statement also came out, which
is really respectful, calling me an
employer. Oh, by the way, I was being
sarcastic. And then trying to make
himself the victim. Chris, if you felt
mistreated, this is the first I'm ever
hearing about it. So, politely talk to
me directly or shut the [\h__\h] up. You
need to shut the [\h__\h] up. I know we have
this dude broke culture around YouTube
entrepreneurs who have never been to
business school before and don't know
about good company ethics. As far as
Chris, I would hope he gets an official
investigation into his character from
both parties. And as a lead with the
Billy Bush example, possibly terminated.
I don't know if Chris has personally
changed or what his character is now or
if there are any other victims out
there, but do you really want this kind
of guy to be representing your company?
To work in the media industry is a
privilege. Why protect sexual harassers?
even if it's just a dumb internet job.
And I know this all sucks. Hearing this
is probably gonna suck. Working on this
video has sucked real bad. I've cried a
lot. But it seems like that miners are
in threat of being prayed on. Will
himself has done some suspicious
behavior and it seems like nothing's
going to change unless it's talked about
in a bigger way. I'm as mad as hell and
I'm not going to take this anymore. So
that's why we're here. Part zero.
Disproing KP rep. For some reason,
people think I'm unqualified to do this
or have false information about things
that have happened in the past they are
using to make a judgment on this case
and that's concerning. So, let's go
ahead and disprove some KP is bad stuff.
For example, when this was trending on
Reddit, I got comments like this. And if
that's still not enough for you, listen
to this. And another aspect that I
didn't really take into account until
rather recently is that on top of all
the work that the team members are
having to do, there's something to be
said for all the work that goes into
managing those team members. I can't
imagine it must be an easy job because
you have to make sure that everyone is
on the same page with everything all the
time. Everyone's keeping up to date with
progress and is generally handing things
in on time, all while trying to keep
them happy and make them feel like
they're in a positive working
environment. And at that point, I said,
"Look, I'm sorry I couldn't finish it,
but I need to get back to my other
work." And KP, she let me go. She didn't
force me to stay. She didn't say, "Oh,
you have to keep working for me." She
said, "Okay, you can go. Maybe I'll
contact you again later when you're not
busy." started a channel to spread her
opinions and built a team around her.
I've seen her make mistakes, take them
to heart, and return improved. She is a
leader, so she must lead in the way she
knows. But she is always ready to listen
to help, and when she is unsure, seek
advice herself. In the wake of all of
this, I had the privilege of meeting
some of team KP, to which my initial
reaction was, she still has a staff. And
it's true. Bunch of real sweethearts who
in defiance of Twitter reason, common
sense, and probable human resource
statutes. Actually, still love I love
Impossible a lot. A lot. And take my
word for it. They were just as nonplused
about all this leaks business as anyone.
Actually, no, don't take my word for it.
Why not go check out their page and get
it from the various horses mouths
yourself, darling people. The whole
Anonkp leak situation is as follows. I
do not regret making it because at the
time I truly believed I was doing
something for the better
good. Michael, this is illegal.
Did you really think no one would check?
Why do you work for iTunes? I guess
never underestimate the power of too
long didn't read. Can I get paid now,
Rachel? For those playing at home, the
TLDDR is that this is utter nonsense.
especially this bit. But KP, what about
this? She was exposed as a manipulator
and a user. Uh, somehow she managed to
get an entire team of people to get to
work on her projects. Only they didn't
get any compensation for it. God forbid
people have hobbies. I guess every
reanimated is just an anti- capitalism
abomination discussed at length here. I
remember watching a video that she
posted on YouTube a couple of year back.
It was a long drawn up video about how
she was almost cancelled from the
community and how she was a victim of
stalking and her struggles with
PTSD, which she brings up like every
time she gets the opportunity. Like
what? Shaming trauma victims probably
wasn't your best move, my guy. Just
saying. She probably thought that
because the fandom had died down a bit.
Nobody would got on the
attack. She also had like a Twitter
meltdown when she had to pay like for
her own way into Brenon. I think I can't
remember which
convention cuz I didn't bother
factchecking. Whereas other members of
the Banelis's committee like Silverquil
got in for free. Really goes to show how
much of a tight-knit group they all are
when it comes to preaching about love
and tolerance. Like peace. That's not
what happened. Wrong. I was frustrated
that Bronycon changed their minds about
my guest spot based on false
information. And they were informed it
was false information from another
convention head. It's very victim blamy.
More details here, which probably
explains why people don't see her much
after that with other committee
members. All in all, KB just strikes me
as just another individual who
constantly acts like a spoiled child who
acts out when they can't get what they
want. This guy obviously doesn't know me
because it's not really my character.
These types of individuals believe that
everything should be like handed to them
with little or no effort simply because
they're recognized in a group or
community. I know it sounds like I'm
saying like # burn the witch, but my
actual point is she's just another
example of what happens when you let
internet or in this case horse fame go
to your head. Why would we work so hard
on dumb little horse videos if they
weren't fun? Because art and media are
definitely only made for attention. More
details here. Make me your horse god. I
am your god now. Bring me your virgins.
This is a confrontation between someone
who is supposed to be helping the team
but was actively leaking assets to the
team and lying about it. And then they
were caught. You can guess how this
confrontation goes. But ladies and
gentlemen, the day Zay minded. For more
context, Zayn, the head of the team at
the time, is a pretty soft-spoken guy.
So, this is the maddest I've ever seen
him.
[Music]
Can do you mind if we take it from here?
Me and Yeah. Because quite frankly, what
the messages were were a betrayal to the
team that you claim to represent. I
would say less so a betrayal to Rachel.
Still still a betrayal though. But quite
frankly, I'm
insulted by what you you chose to do. I
you you sat there, you
claimed to be representing the team. You
claimed to be wanting to improve the
team and you sat there and you lied to
our face. Okay, now I'm [\h__\h] lost for
words. And the fact that I gave What the
[\h__\h] made you think that that was okay?
Like how did you think you were helping?
How what the [\h__\h] have you got to say to
yourself? And then even now I gave you
the chance to come clean and say, "Is
there anything you want to
say?" And you didn't say anything. And
you're you were denying it until I said,
"I have access. I see everything."
Initially, you can see that maybe your
intentions were good, but there's
absolutely no [\h__\h] denying the fact
that by the end of that, not even by the
end of it, part halfway through, at the
very least, there was no denying that.
That's the my problem. You claimed that
you were doing this for us. And yet, you
sat there and lied to us. You lied to
me. You lied to every single person in
that group. We sat there and we said,
"Can we trust everyone in this group?"
And you sat there and said, "Yes." You
betrayed the
team. Okay, you betrayed [\h__\h] me
personally. I'm taking that personally.
You sat there and you told them Zayn is
about to upload that video. And what did
you hope to achieve? It happened that I
was preparing that video and that's when
I told you, by the way, we're putting it
back up. We made that decision weeks
ago. We made that decision when we
posted it in the radio play chat when
people was said explained that we're not
happy. We said, "Yes, we have a video
ready. We'll upload it in a few weeks."
That's why that video was going up. Did
you ask me?
No. Did you think that maybe maybe a bit
more something better could come out of
this if you [\h__\h] talk to
us? Okay. Nothing good came out of that
group. Nothing grew. Sorry, that
Twitter.
Nothing. You know what good came out of
this? the Skype group, the group of
people that sat down like grown men and
[\h__\h] wrote down their
complaints. Nothing good from that Skype
chat. Do you want to know what everybody
else on the team the only two people
that have said anything bad to those to
the N on Twitter are the two people in
that group not on the current team. Do
you know what everybody else has said to
that Twitter? They [\h__\h] said [\h__\h] off
because you're not helping. You are
literally here to be malicious. You're
here to tease Rachel. You are here to
nag at her. The There is no defending
it. That Twitter is universally accepted
not to have been a good thing. The
entire team while you were in that group
was saying that these guys are
dicks. Nobody on the team supported
them. And yet here you are claiming to
represent the team and supporting them
and lying to the rest of the team while
you do it. Part one, the original
incident with Chris. Something I also
wasn't aware of is that Will made a
statement after his team member Bogs,
you know, the one who was harassing me
was fired. It doesn't mention me or that
there was any victim or even what he did
was bad. Will even calls him a great
person. So, starting off on a real high
note there, is no longer a member of DA
Games. Uh, he's still a very good friend
of ours. Um, like especially me, like I
will sometimes DM him. We'll be on
Twitter, the big tweeter sometimes, but
I'm not one for grudges. I don't do
that. Um, so don't think this was on bad
massive haste. Um, just a lot of backend
stuff that kind of conflicted with our
channel. There's a lot of things that uh
didn't meet our requirements. the video
started getting worse and worse, but it
was more or less just I was pressuring
him a lot. There was a lot of things he
had to do and there just wasn't enough
taking time except for the situation
that we were going through. Come to
mention it, there was a lot of like
things that maybe would have detrimented
us in the long run if we would have kept
this sort of conversation going. And I
don't want to bring in logistics because
that's not a thing that should I don't
want you hating the dude because he is a
fantastic being. He just did a lot of
wrong things and we we're all learning
from him each and every Yeah. So, I
don't think there was any mistreatment
or I can't really explain why Chris
would be so frustrated enough to do
this. So, I brought my friend James who
was on the team at the same time as
Chris to give some testimony. Hi, I'm
James. I used to work for KP and I was
the head editor of her first team. I
worked for her for about 2 to three
years and I was asked to give a
statement on Chris's work ethic on the
team. Chris in particular was an
extremely good editor, usually doing
stuff the rest of the team couldn't do,
but he was inconsistent with time. I'm
coming out about Chris because in his
recent statement, Chris claimed
mistreatment by being on the team, but
as someone who was there, it just seemed
like he had unhealthy and alternative
motivations, and it was clear that he
would often say more than he could
deliver. Do you think maybe he's
compensating for something? In
particular though, he often said more
unsavory things, either just jokes to be
funny or what usually felt more
personal. This was never a paying gig,
so it seemed that he was upset that it
wasn't helping his career, money, or
even romantic situation. It usually felt
like he would push himself to be really
good and then fell flat, like he had
ulterior motives and scoffed at other
editors for their work to make himself
look better. really honing in. He was
oddly fixated on if KP liked or approved
his work, bragging, which again was
inconsistent. In my opinion, he also
seemed to have a crush on KP. It seemed
obvious to me, if you know what I mean.
Sometimes he antagonized another team
member to get her attention and also
downplayed it when talking with others.
It was odd that he would feel
unappreciated when he was acting out of
his own will to help. Though not fully
joining the team, he still committed to
projects. Near when he left, it would be
a lot of she doesn't pay us because
she's too greedy. Specifically saying
anti-Jewish semantics such as [\h__\h]
Jew won't pay us or another she's cheap
or she's the only one benefiting from
this. But the reality is no one ever got
paid. Often in private conversations it
would come up, but he wouldn't be shy
about bringing it up during group
conversations. And this is if he
attended any meetings at all. We were a
little intimidated by his status to
bring this up to KP at the time, though.
Chris ultimately left the team with
almost no word. His work ethic dropped
dramatically over the months we were all
there. Overall, his experience was
wanted, helpful, but inconsistent. Part
1.5, escalation to being unsafe with
minors. If this video was just about
Chris making up a gross story about me a
while ago, I can see the argument for
why bring this up now. But things end up
extending to more actions that are
questionable and make it seem like these
people can't really be trusted around
children. We have a testimony of a minor
who Chris made uncomfortable by
mentioning beastiality to. Here's that
story. She's chosen to be left anonymous
for obvious reasons, but more about that
in the interview. Back in late 2018, I
was in a voice chat with Chris, Will,
and one other person who I cannot
remember. They were another fan, so it
isn't very relevant as to who they were.
I was 14 at the time. I do not remember
how the conversation got to this point,
but at one point Chris made a joke about
me being into beastiality, specifically
using the term beastiality, which I
didn't understand at the time. I simply
responded being confused about the joke,
and Chris seemed to find that funny. My
camera was on. They were using a third
party tool to have cameras with voice
chats at the time, and I had met Will
sometime before to voice chat in person.
They had to have known I was underage.
This by itself is not that awful, simply
weird. But together with everything else
that has happened and what these people
have done, I think it's important to
share as it shows a pattern of people in
and around DA games creating an unsafe
environment. There is also an incident
of Lollcon or sexual images of cartoon
characters that are children and
accidentally exposing that material to
miners and Chris's private server
allegedly to test a bot. Lollcon is
already subjective in nature in the
first place, as people can make the
argument that these are fictional
characters and not real children. But I
don't think anyone will argue that maybe
we shouldn't be letting children see
sexual imagery. The big problem with
that, besides the incident happening in
the first place, is that it was never
officially addressed. No apology, no
nothing. But instead, the threads were
deleted. Sounds kind of sus to me. Oh,
it gets worse. Part two. Will Ryan is a
textbook pedto and probably very
unstable person. Sorry. Yo. If that all
isn't a big deal, then child grooming is
bad, right? Well, no [\h__\h] So, enter
player one. in this case, the YouTube
channel DA Games. For those who aren't
aware, DA Games is a YouTube channel
that makes a variety of content,
including let's plays, their own
animation, and fandom inspired music.
The four main current members of the
channel are Chris, Will Ryan, Cosmic Key
Framer Chrissy, and Shawn Webbby. Will
himself is problematic for a bunch of
reasons, not limited to dating a minor
in 2015 when he was 23, and that's shady
at best. Here are the screen caps. These
are great. I guess you can be Jerry
Seinfeld, who dated a 17-year-old when
he was 38.
So, uh, what are you going to do later?
I got a date with Nikki. Oh, yeah. She's
a beauty. And she's also 17. Bold and
beautiful.
[Music]
I'll tell you the big advantage of
dating a high
schooler. If you're going out with
someone your own age, you can't take
advantage of
I suppose. Oh, come on. That's a huge
feature. Think about it. She's so young
she doesn't realize I'm a predator.
Jerry.
Yes.
I've been doing a lot of thinking.
Uh-huh.
Well, I don't think we should see each
other anymore. Oh, that's okay.
What? No, it's fine. No problem. I'll
meet somebody else.
Sure. There are plenty of high schools
in New York City.
It's fine. Anyway, it's been really nice
grooming you for a while. I'm going to
go scope out a Chuck-E-Cheese.
Yeah, me, too. She'll be coming round
the mountain when she dating anyone 18
falls into a legally gray area depending
on what state or country you're in. But
the general rule of thumb is anyone 18
should not be dating anyone who's
younger than 18. That's the internet
law. I looked it up. Part 2.5 is
grooming. But the most problematic of
all of this is minor straight up being
groomed in their public spaces. Who
you'll hear from in a second was 15
years old when someone around 19 years
old started sending them self harm
pictures. Censored screenshots are on
screen. It's not a fun video. I warned
you. Was pressured to help this
individual and manipulated to break up
with their current partner at the time.
This escalated to nude photos and
constant communication until Sage a
suicide attempt and
blamed then came back and faked memory
loss until was blocked completely. And
how was it handled in the DA game
server? Contacted Will about the
situation who sympathized privately but
didn't do anything publicly. But like
what's accountability for exposing
minors to a predator and just left the
space on his own? Eventually had to make
his own Twitter thread with screenshots
to prove the account was true. I mean,
come the [\h__\h] on. The least you could
have done was ban a pedophile. The bare
minimum. What's that? Let me be clear.
This isn't only Will's fault. It's
everyone involved in the company,
including the people I named before. And
I know rent is a thing, but sacrificing
putting children at risk because you
don't want to publicly speak out about
this behavior and threaten your
livelihood and because you don't want to
go to college is just shitty and
selfish. Oh, you are just the worst type
of person. Next is and his friend Pixel
talking about problematic behavior in
the DA games community and the situation
at large. Welcome to the no fun
interview section. I have two people
with me who have previous personal or
professional experiences with DA games
in the past and they made a document
about it a year ago but I brought them
on to share their personal stories in
audio form. So it's a bit easier to
digest as well as provide some context
to these things and that these are real
people. I promise. So why don't you guys
introduce
yourselves? Yeah, I'll go
first. I um was a fan since 2018 until I
came became friends with Will, one of
the games owners in I want to say 2020,
2021. I'm not sure. Um I was
commissioned by him in late 2022 to make
a concert outfit, but that's really all
I got. Um what? Well, that's all I have
when it comes to my relation to him. We
were friends but not really. So you had
a professional relationship with Will?
Yeah, I was commissioned once but that's
about it. Okay. So Pixel, what's your
background? So I was a fan in 2018 to
2023 and I was a fan artist in his
server. I did a lot of general fan art
and just general art interpretations of
his stuff and I never worked with him
like professionally, but I was friends
with him during 2023 and we DM'd pretty
often for a couple months. like we
talked in VCs and stuff. How did that
start? Did he notice your fan art and
start DMing you or what? It was kind of
interesting. He was friends with first
and other than the DA game server, there
was another friend server that he was in
and at some point the topic of me came
up when he was DMing and he noticed that
I wasn't on his friends list and he was
just kind of confused about that. And so
it was just kind of he thought we were
friends already. And so it was around
early 2023 that I accepted his friend
request and we started DMing from there.
I think we officially started a
conversation after an incident with his
friend Enu. She was like harassing me
for like 2 hours and I had that
conversation with Will. I was like your
friend is doing this and this is what
happened and here's a conversation that
we had and after that we just started
having normal conversations.
So I guess Will does this where he'll
just take people from the fan server and
try to build a personal connection.
Yeah. Um so so there's actually this
second server that a lot of his friends
including like Lala and Enu are in. Um
that sometimes just some people get
invited to I guess.
Okay. I guess from what I'm getting at
so far is there seems to be a lack of
boundaries. Not that it's a bad thing to
make friends with fans or anything, but
I feel like it's almost competitive if
you have like a server of people he
likes that are also the fan server.
Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah. So, what
happened for me was I was friends with
Lala before um before I was invited to
that server. So, because I had a mutual
friend with Will, meaning Lala, I was
invited there. It was It's officially LA
server, but it mostly gets used for Will
stuff. What exactly is in the server? Is
it just like personal jokes or a similar
layout to the other server, but just
kind of private? Um, it's supposed to be
a friend group. It's supposed to be a
friend group server,
but it's really centered about around
Will. Yeah, they had this rule where if
you weren't active enough, you'll get
kicked and if you couldn't go to VCs,
you would have to explain yourself like,
"Oh, I couldn't join VC today because of
X, Y, and Z." And generally, from my
experience, a lot of people had to cater
to Will like going back on joining the
server in general. They used to let
people in pretty generally, but then
they just kind of restricted access.
Like the only reason I got in there was
because actually invited me in there. a
few times she actually gave out invites,
but it's technically a friend server,
but they have like not official events,
but they do VC a lot, sometimes for like
days, and they just generally expect you
to be active a lot. So, it seems to me
like the whole point of the server is
for Will to talk to people and get
validation. Is that it? Yeah,
definitely. I remember this one time
that me and a friend who was in there
were watching I think it was Hellraiser
4. It was one of the worst Hellraiser
movies. We were like cracking jokes and
stuff and
like an hour in Will joined and he got
upset because we were talking over the
movie when he didn't even choose to
watch it. We did. Were there any minors
in the server? Yes. Yeah, there were.
I'm not going to say names, but I
remember there being like several at
least. So, I guess it's kind of
questionable that he made a separate
server to invite mostly fans of his main
server, which I guess isn't the worst
thing in the world, obviously, but it's
things like the boundaries that are
weird, the rules as far as VCing that
are weird, and the fact that there are
minors in there. Were there
inappropriate jokes and stuff like that?
Yeah, there used to be an NSFW chat
even, and like people would just share
their kings in there and stuff. I
remember
this. They got deleted eventually, but
it was weird. like the time I was in
there and the chat still existed. I was
a minor at the time. I think I don't
remember exactly. I'm sorry. But yeah,
it was really sexual and racist and
stuff. Okay. Not off to a good start. So
that seems to be the running theme with
DA games in general that they're being
inappropriate with minors. They make
inappropriate or not safe for work jokes
in front of minors and no one seems to
be willing to do anything about it.
Yeah, exactly. Like sometimes they
like for for forever now. I want to say
they refused to even acknowledge that
there are minors in their audience.
Yeah, I remember that when the first
version of Doc dropped, we were bringing
up the point that he was tremor dumping
to minors and talking about things that
younger kids shouldn't be hearing. And
he relies a lot on his fan base for
personal support. There's an entire
channel in that server dedicated to just
giving him specifically support. And the
entire mood of the server is dedicated
by how he's feeling that day. And when
we mention that in our document, like,
hey, he's trauma dumping. He's talking
about all these horrible things without
a filter to these people. And people
were giving the excuse, well, they're
older teens. They're like this age. When
in reality, the age range was like was a
lot broader than like 16, 17. They were
14y olds, 13 year olds, and they're the
broader range is like from 13 to early
20s. in that server and it's unfair to
assume that just because it appears that
people are older that you should trauma
dump to these people. They did have an
NSFW channel in that main server, but I
wasn't around when it was a thing. And
what year was this about? I'm not
entirely sure. I remember being there
when that channel got
deleted, I think. When did you guys join
the server? Um, I joined the server in
May 2018, and it was around then. I
joined in December. I don't know how
long it was around. Like the server has
existed since
2016, but it may have been around since
the beginning. I'm not sure, but it was
around 2018. That's for sure. And
another thing I wanted to bring up is
that the moderators do not go through
former formal training from what I could
tell. I was there and he just picked
someone and he was like, "Oh, you should
be a moderator now. You've been a friend
for long enough." And like I said, he
he's hired minor moderators. The most
recent one just turned 18 18 last year.
They graduated high school last year and
they were a moderator the entire time in
the server from 2018 to 2023. And I'm 20
now. So they were younger than me that
entire time. And as far as I'm aware, I
heard they were recommended to someone.
No, they got they got picked randomly.
They got picked randomly. I remember
this. Yeah, it was weird. They just got
picked for no reason. And they even told
me several times in DMs when they were a
moderator like you should have been it
not me
because I don't know they thought of
them of them themselves as not being
capable enough to be a moderator but
they still were anyway. Yeah I can get
the point of having moderators being
subjective but the very least they
should not be minors. They should also
know it's actual work and should be okay
with whatever work they get. Usually
mods are like, "Hey minor, don't go on
the 18 plus chat." Or, "Have a question?
We'll help you." Just Exactly. So, was
the minor activity in both servers the
only thing that gave off red flags or
was there any other behavior? Oh,
there's way more. Um, I remember um in
the Diego community, there was a lot of
um predators, like groomers and such,
and they got exposed like monthly
sometimes, like every other month there
would be another one. and they would
never get acknowledged by the team. And
it was just horrible.
Um like um this is going to get very
personal real quick, but at some point I
was groomed by someone in there and I
exposed them like two years ago. Um and
I posted it in the server as in like I
made a Twitter thread and I posted it in
there. Well, I had my I asked my like my
friend to post it because I didn't want
to do do it myself because I was a
public figure at the time in the Dance
community. Um, and it got deleted like
instantly because it was just drama
tarnishing the brands. And so to
summarize, it's not abnormal for
predators to be attracted to online
spaces that maybe make fandom content,
but it's kind of scary when the mod team
is burying it. One of them literally got
arrested for having CP in their
possession. Um, yeah, there's this one
guy that got arrested for like 34
accounts of
child like 3 years ago and they never
got acknowledged by the team e either
and he was pretty prominent in the
server. He would make animations and he
was really popular and he was kicked
once that came out at the very least,
right? We don't know. We don't know.
There's a pro there's a probability he
probably was, but they do have a thing
where like if you suspect someone being
weird, they will investigate and kick
them. But it's done very badly. It's
done really badly. Like from personal
experience, it's so bad. Like I tried to
come forward about my groomer like way
before I posted about it and they were
like, "Hey, do you have proof of this?"
And I was like, "No, I deleted those
chats because I don't want to see that
shit." And they were like, "Okay, but
you can get him back." And I was like,
"Okay, how could [\h__\h] help me?" Cuz I
was panicking. And they were like,
"Figure it out yourself." So, you're
going to tell a child in a panic state
to just figure it out themselves or else
we're not or otherwise we're not going
to do anything. It's really weird. Um I
don't know. I'm I'm getting heated. I'm
sorry. No, it's okay. It's just so
[\h__\h] dumb to me that they don't do
the bare minimum or just like don't have
a server that's open to miners. It
reminds me of last year when he was
doing a set list for Momo Con and he has
these killer robots and he was going to
describe in detail how they kill people
and I was asking like, "Well, shouldn't
you put a content warning on there since
most people are like coming for the DA
games stuff?" And he laughed at me. He
was like, "No, why should I do that? I
have a song called Mr. Dirty Balls
playing. People should know that we're
not for kids because that song is
playing." And learning the next day he
had to add a content warning anyway. So
I just kind of like threw up my hands
like okay you had to add one anyway so
why were you throwing a fit about it?
Yeah. He gets upset at like the smallest
things ever and it's so annoying. So
it's really hard to like come forward
about bigger stuff too. Were any of the
other team members supportive when you
came forward? Because my understanding
is that when you go to Will for stuff he
kind of brushes it off. Well, he either
brushes brushes it off or he sends
HR. Um, the person that's that's
currently HR um usually will just go
into your DMs just be like,
"Yo, don't bring negative stuff to Will.
He cannot handle it right now." And he
never handles it. So, it's frustrating
as hell. And I just made them HR this
year. Is the HR person public figure?
Not anymore. They did have a Twitter
account, but one of the gripes I have is
that as an HR person, they live with
him. They're friends with everyone in
there. So, when it comes to certain
situations like yours, technically they
should not be handling that because they
are not a neutral third party. Does she
have like a social presence? Like, is
she known for being friends with Will?
Yes, to some degree. Like, if to some
degree she's public when like when you
go into DM's live stream, she will be
there as a moderator. things such as
like that. It seems like the running
theme is Will can't handle whatever the
conflict is because he can't address it.
Yeah, pretty much. Okay, so let's talk
about some troublesome behavior you saw
from Will. I know he dated a minor in
2015 and there was a lot of end slurs
and a lot of anti-semitic
slurs. Great stuff. Do you have any
antidotes or things to share on top of
that?
Just recently someone did some more
digging when they found out on a live
stream clip but was looking at some site
called like young people born.com and
they did some more digging on the way
back machine. What drove you to make
this document? Was it the predator
thing? Like what was the straw that
broke the camel's back and you just were
like [\h__\h] it. We need to write all this
stuff down. Um I think it was just
generally um we were frustrated about a
lot of things. We talked to each other
and then we found about about the NSFW
stuff and we decided, nope, Disney needs
to get out there. That's pretty much how
it went. We stumbled across it as well.
We were literally just messing around
and that's when we found it and thought,
well, this doesn't look right. And we
did some digging and we're like, "This
isn't right at all."
So, you went back through Will's history
and saw the anti-semitism. And um
there's one point where he justifies
using the n-word as a white person and I
thought that was really sad. So what was
the response when he released his first
version of the document? Well, the first
version came out like really weird. Like
we tried to get like fans to see it. So
we made a fan account and then like turn
it into the release account. It was
stupid. That one went really bad and
like you can say more about that. Like
it affected you mostly. Yeah, it just
went really badly. We were still fans at
that point and we were just like really
heartbroken. So, the doc was very
emotionally charged and it had and it
just had stuff in it in there that
didn't really need to be in there. And
then also after he came out trending on
Twitter like two mods, one of them was
this HR person came to me and they put
me in like a group chat and they told
me, "You have to fix this." And I'm
like, "I'm in a college class. I can't
fix this right now." But I still had to
do this anyway. And after a couple more
screenshots came out, the HR person was
like, "Is there anything else that's
going on?" Because if there is, I'm one
step away from flipping switches and
ruining lives. And I was really scared
at that point. And rightfully kicked me
from the friend group because I was so
scared it was going to happen to them. I
just ended up throwing them under the
bus because I was so scared and under
pressure. Like we changed the password
for the Twitter account and everything
cuz we could not have this go south.
Yeah. And when the second document came
out, I reached out again and I was
basically confirmed that was what
happened. And I put out my secondary
statement on Twitter because the initial
apology, well, the quote unquote apology
that I made the first time, it went uh
it went through those two people and it
was heavily sanitized. They wanted me to
say he apologized in BC, he did this, he
did that. And I was supposedly there to
witness when he did those things. And as
a result, people started disregarding
everything as fake. And so I wanted to
make that secondary statement to explain
that nothing was fake. And I was
pressured into writing something I
didn't really believe in. And then later
those two people would come forward in
private and apologize to me for doing
that. So let me get this straight, guys.
So two official DA games ambassadors,
mods, whatever you want to call them,
basically tried to legally threaten you
to formally apologize or else wagging.
Is that basically what happened? pretty
much this H4 person, she's braced about
being a former Kiwi farmer and like
digging stuff up about people. So, I
knew she had a capacity to do those
types of things. Those people on those
sites do and I don't want that to happen
to me. I don't want that to happen and
the other people who were working there.
Yeah, I was especially scared. I was
especially scared cuz they will
commission me. Like, what if they save
the packaging, I send his outfit in and
have my address? Like, I was scared as
[\h__\h]
So, I logged you out cuz I could not
have that happen to me. That's cool. So,
what happened after you released the
second doc? Did anyone come after you or
try to have you reprimanded? There was
this it was really weird. Like this time
it it went okay. Like we posted it on
like the Reddit and stuff and it
actually got some reaction which was
really cool. But there was also this one
person that either was the HR person of
some or someone pretending to be HR
person. We still haven't figured that
out. because the HR person has a habit
of stalking me specifically and they
told them to they acted like they were
going to sue me. Yeah, I remember that.
It was just horrible. Another thing is
the second doc just kind of inspired
them when they go through the server
logs and they found that people like
Chris were going through and deleting
all the racist stuff that they said and
they found videos and they made like a
whole archive just going back that that
they were like just going back and
deleting things. So Chris got caught
being racist and sexist just in general.
Yeah, pretty much. So before I move on
to the last question, can you guys give
some context as much as you can from the
anonymous Chris story that you
interviewed the victim for? So that's
actually my best friend who told an
anonymous story. So this had to do with
her username which had the word animal
in it and then her her name and um so it
actually came from
that like it was weird. Why? Why did
they say that? Why did they think it was
appropriate to say that to a 14-year-old
they knew was 14? What took me off guard
is that the 14-year-old had met Will
before. Was that at a convention? Yes,
it was at a convention. Okay. Okay,
cool. At least that's purple. They're
also pretty prominent and as a person in
the community, so it would be weird if
they didn't know how old she was. Is she
still prominent? No, they she got
banned and now she [\h__\h] hates their
guts. So, so the whole team has a
controlling presence with their fan base
and on social media, right? Yeah. Yeah,
pretty much. So, my last question is
unless you guys wanted to add anything
else as far as any general stories or
experiences or anything. So, as I
mentioned before, I was a fan artist and
at the beginning of Iris, I would make
interpretations of characters and we go
and Will would go on the chat and say,
"These interpretations give me anxiety
because now I'm scared they're not going
to be able to live up to these
expectations." Let me backtrack. What is
Iris? Is that a song they've done? I'm
not familiar with their content really.
It's one of his IPs. Yeah, it's an
original story. Yeah, it's a dystopia
thing. There's a lot of characters, but
not a lot of them have designs. So, what
a lot of people like myself did was
like, let's make a design on this
character based on this very vague
description that he had. And people
would also make covers of songs, too.
And he would get high amounts of anxiety
over it. And in some cases, he would
call it the facing. I got caught out for
the way I drew one of his killer robots
because he was like, "Well, now you made
my design look like horshit." Even
though I had I heard no one else
complaining about his design or anything
like that. And then on top of that, a
bunch of other artist started
apologizing like, "Yeah, we're so sorry.
We didn't knowing this stuff upset you
so much." And you never said anything
until now. and he made it a rule in the
server for a while that you couldn't
post
interpretations or you couldn't post
covers with more than one instrument or
more than one vocal track and he just
now changed that rule. I heard from
someone that's still in there that he
just changed the rule back to where it
was before so you can do that again. I
can't get over that because that's the
stupidest [\h__\h] thing. He should be
happy that people are making fan art
because they enjoy the thing. It's like
he's punishing his fans. Yeah, even on
Twitter, someone was asking about it and
he's like, "Well, I'll go forward in
making more character designs. Uh when
I'm sure that they won't be tampered
with and just a lot of extreme words for
stuff that wasn't extreme being a young
artist at the time, I was 16 and that
was devastating to me." And when I was
telling him, you know, this really hurt
when you said that, he was like, "Well,
don't have a cow. It's not that bad."
Without really acknowledging how I felt
or how any of these other people felt
about that. That's a problem he
generally has. Like when someone comes
forward to him about how he hurt their
feelings, it's like, "Yeah, but it's not
that bad." Like, "Bro, you hurt someone.
It's not cool, man." Oh, it's so dumb.
It's so dumb. I mean, the predator [\h__\h]
and the child porn is probably the worst
of it. Okay, to recap. So, I was going
to say it sounds like it's pretty bad
between the allowing predators to be in
their spaces and not really doing
anything about it or threatening people
who make fan art or Will dating a minor
and Will looking up child. I remember
seeing that because I thought that was
the worst thing Will specifically had
done. And then Chris just had the
behavior of being sexist and racist too
and gross with minors. So what would you
guys like to gain from coming forward on
a bigger platform and speaking about
your stories? So my original goal would
be like acknowledgements of this stuff
happening, but like I don't think that's
going to happen like ever. Being
realistic, I don't know exactly what I
want anymore. Like I just want this
stuff out there. I guess that's all I
can do. What I personally think is Will
needs to take a break from the internet
because this sounds really unhealthy
from a third party perspective.
I'm just going to sound this is going to
sound really mean, but I don't think
he's capable of taking a break from the
internet. I mean, he went on a camping
trip with his family and he was on his
phone and was in voice calls the entire
time. So even then, when he was supposed
to be out in nature, he wasn't taking a
break. There's multiple times he said he
leave Twitter and then he never did. I
believe someone caught him lurking
because he was pretending to be off of
Twitter, but then like he retweet
something and then quickly un retweet
it. He's on Instagram mostly now and
even now he's pretending to like be
offline on Discord. Something I've
noticed too is that people who enable
him are dependent on him. Like the HR
person who's a roommate of his and is
dependent on the channel's income in
order to live. Yeah, exactly. like the
HR person lives with him and doesn't
have a job outside of HR for DA games. I
think we don't know cuz they're not a
public figure. We don't have any
connection to them anymore, but I think
the only thing they do in their life is
sit in Will's house and send out angry
emails to us. This is what the kids call
an allegation. Something we don't know
if it's true, but it's based on a theory
and evidence. Yeah. She like she she
used to have a job like as a childare
worker but she
stopped and then she did like art
commission. Yeah. And then she did like
art commissions for a while but then she
like [\h__\h] up her
wrist. So I don't know what she can do
if she has a job. Sounds like a healthy
work environment. So the only time they
acknowledge anything wrong is when I
retweeted one of the emails a couple of
weeks before this recording and they
were like Chris is taking a break. Chris
has taken hiatus, which I think means
we're going to wait until this blows
over because we're not going to show you
any proof that Chris went to any HR
training. I'm going to go out on a limb
and allege that he did not go through
any training. Like I said, the HR person
only made HR was only made HR this year.
DA is only for people. Even emailing and
doing NDA was was against the ACAS
guidelines. So, I don't know what
training he would have done if there was
any. I think he had I think we had a
timeline down like a day uh or so after
your tree came out he left Twitter the
day after he was streaming the night
after and a day or two afterwards he was
saying I got trained like at what point
during that timeline would he be getting
trained? Yeah. And keep in mind for
those who don't remember, I had the
original conversation with HR a year ago
and I was feeling antsy because I wanted
to make a video for a while and we were
waiting for the right time and then this
blew up and I'm like this would have
been great a year ago. But ideally, it
doesn't sound like the team is even safe
to make content because of their
influence around others. Like Will
himself dated a 17-year-old when How old
was Will? 22 to 23.
Great. So, when you date a 17-year-old,
regardless of when it happened, you
should know better. Like Chris telling
the story, regardless of when happened,
he should know better. So, I guess we'll
hope for the best. I think at the very
least, if there's going to be any
changes, they have to show proof and a
plan or else no one's going to believe
them at this point. I think a public
apology is probably a good start. Yeah,
that's that's like that's like the big
thing.
Like you would think that nobody would
believe what DA are saying, but they do.
And it's weird. Like even when you show
them proof, they're like, "No, it's
fake. It's fake. You're just haters."
Like their fan base is very Yeah,
they're Yeah, their fan base is like
very um they just really want to believe
that they're good people when they're
not
because Lord knows why. Actually, it's
because he built up a parasocial
relationship with them. True. True. Even
with the lolly thing, when we told
people about that, they were so like,
"Well, actually, he was using it to test
a bot." And I'm like, "Well, why is it
still there?" And it wasn't even in the
same server. Again, the fans have a very
poor social relationship. You have this
mature 20some year old telling his
telling you all his deepest deepest
secrets and stuff and all his childhood
traumas, and you feel closer to him. And
on top of that, you have this whole
Discord channel dedicated to just giving
him support. You're encouraged to look
at his Discord status and see what state
he's in. When I was younger, he'd even
pull you would even go as far as to like
delete his Twitter account and like
threatening to delete the YouTube
account because he was feeling bad. And
when you're put through that over and
over again, you want to feel close. You
want to feel like this person can't be
bad. I did all this for him. I went
through all this for him. I'm I'm just
sorry I'm getting really a bit heated
here because again I went through all of
that and it's such an emotional draining
thing to go through. It's like no, you
shouldn't be doing this to 13 and 18
year olds. You shouldn't be telling them
all these things like I'm going to
delete my YouTube channel where you know
when I was bullied I got my head bashed.
Yeah, exactly. Like the worst example I
remember is I think that he was he said
in his Discord server that he was going
to kill himself because his fans were so
[\h__\h] annoying. I don't have proof of
this sadly. I remember seeing it. Posted
a suicide note on Twitter, right?
Several times and then Chloe had to come
out and say, "No, guys, he's fine." And
then he just like he never deleted it
afterwards and he didn't kill himself.
He's okay. He posted several times like
while he was in a hospital as well.
Yeah, I remember this happening when I
just was a fan like when I in like 2018
2019 this was happening a lot and like I
felt super close to him when I literally
just knew him for like 4 months. It was
weird. Like I felt this super close
connection to him and now I understand
why and it's so [\h__\h] awful. On that
note, do you guys have any advice for
people that are kind of in similar shoes
that you were when you were finding all
this stuff out? Talk to people. Talk to
people. Like, you're not alone going
through this. Like, please talk to
people. Even people that are still fans,
like, talk to them. And it's okay if you
don't feel okay going through this
because it's [\h__\h] hard having to
sever a connection that feels so close
and personal, who is someone who turns
out to be a terrible person. Like, it's
okay to feel bad. It's okay to feel sad
for the things you
lose. Um, it's okay. like you're going
to be fine. Talk to people. Yeah, I
agree that wholeheartedly like just talk
to people. One of the driving factors
that led me to become friends with again
is that I talked to someone about
everything that happened and I suggest
to just to talk to people who are
outside of the server, go to different
servers and just know that this is
nothing. This is not how things are
supposed to be. Like I talked to a
friend who had nothing to do with DA or
anything and they were like that's not
normal. That's not something that should
be happening on a regular basis. Yeah, I
think that's a good note to end on.
Therapy's good,
guys. All right. Well, I guess on that
note, we can end. Thanks everyone for
being here and telling your stories. It
sounds like a hot mess. It is like it's
so messy right now. Like on the Degan
subreddit currently, they're like
censoring words. You cannot say the
number 11
anymore. [\h__\h] like that. It's stupid.
And if you try to post anything without
context, uh I was trying to post context
of what was going on earlier and they
just deleted it immediately. Yeah, they
nuke it instantly. Like I got banned
from the Reddit. As someone who took a
media literacy course, this is not how
you deal with backlash. You
apologize, but it's kind of hard to
recover when you have minors and
predators in the same space and you
haven't really done anything about it.
Um these are really serious issues that
aren't like a oopsie. So, no, they're
dealing with with it so badly. Like,
it's embarrassing for them. I know. I
heard through a mutual friend that they
originally weren't going to say anything
cuz they didn't see a reason for it.
They were like, "Oh, there's no reason
for it. It's going to go away." All
right. Thanks everyone for listening.
Yes. Thank you. So, there's three
players in this Shakespearean tragedy.
Chris, a former member of my production
team who made up this gross story about
me. His first boss, DA Games, a YouTube
channel run by Will Ryan. and his second
boss, another YouTuber named Saber
Spark. Misque, Will's Nazi racist and
anti-Semitic memes. There's also um
racist and anti-semitic memes. It never
ends here. Part three. How DA Games
handled the Chris situation badly. Back
to the Chris situation. The DA Games
team first responded the situation
privately in November of 2023, citing
the issue had been resolved to their own
satisfaction and that Chris didn't work
for them at that time, even though
there's proof that suggests otherwise,
and that Wol Ryan was likely in the room
to hear the story recounted at least
once. They continued to lie about my
legal rights and basically put pressure
on me to stay quiet about everything.
We'll show you those emails in a second.
At a last ditch attempt, DA Games
attempted to send me a cease and desist.
So, we're going to go through some
highlights of the emails here, but feel
free to pause the video and read them
for any context that you'd like. Hi,
Matilda. I was told to contact you
regarding the afficionad Chris case.
Many months later. Hi, Matilda and the
DA Games team. It's been 3 months since
I last reached out and I'm disappointed
in the lack of urgency. I'm reaching out
one last time to discuss the issue and
sell her privately. Hi, KP. Thanks for
your patience. Chris informed us that
the recording between you and him was
not consensual. Nonetheless, we listened
to the recording ourselves and have
determined that the two of you had
already reached a resolution. You will
allow the actions of the past to be
forgotten and forgiven. It is also our
understanding that all of this took
place before Chris was an employee of
DA, meaning that he was not under
contract at the time of the incident.
Therefore, as a company, we do not have
the jurisdiction to punish him in this
situation as he has not breached
contract. I'm disappointed with the lack
of action taken regarding these issues
and your lack of alarm in terms of how
it reflects upon your company's
priorities, values, and internal
culture. Also, regarding the recording
and Chris's statement, fact is whether
or not Chris engaged in the activity, he
openly spoke about doing it allegedly in
calls involving his co-workers post
having his position within the company
and after as late as 2019. This is
highly inappropriate, morally
unacceptable language to use when
conducting oneselves around co-workers,
much less when it's attempt to convey
approval from peers and a superior by
presenting himself as a sexual harasser.
If he was bragging about sexual
misconduct involving a minor, would that
change your response? Because if the
answer is yes, you should be taking this
seriously because sexual harassment is
sexual harassment. By continuing to
employ Chris, you not only condone his
behavior, but actively encourage it
within your workplace related settings.
At this point, it's a matter of safety
for myself and members of our
communities. And me attempting to handle
this issue privately is a courtesy, one
that seemingly is not being honored and
in fact dismissed. If no satisfactory
result is brought about, I have no
problems going public. We will review
this case again and decide on
appropriate disciplinary action. This
will be handled internally and
confidentially. Of course, we would like
to state that we do not represent Chris
in any legal capacity. DA Games as a
company does not tolerate threats of
defamation or liel. If you go public, we
have the right to pursue legal action.
We will share the results of the
investigation with KP, but only on the
condition that she signs a
confidentiality
agreement. Part four, how Sabers Spark
handled the Chris situation badly. Next
is YouTuber Sabers Spark, who primarily
makes animated themed content and
generally seems not to care about the
situation unless he's listed as an
employer of Chris. I originally
contacted Saber through his staff. And
here are the Discord messages to prove
that. I hate it here. There were talks
of a hiring change and I assumed Chris
was terminated from working with Steven
due to that. Cool. One less thing to
worry about. Then it got worse. Turns
out nothing
happened. Cool. Oh, there's a big
surprise. I tried following up but never
heard anything. Cut to November of this
year where Steven is mentioned in that
email asking for an NDA to look into the
Chris issue. This eventually escalated
into a public spectacle when I shared
the NDA email on Twitter. One of the
people in that thread tagged Steven
directly and then Thanks for the
support, guys. It's emotionally
draining, but I feel like being critical
of online spaces, especially when you
try to solve things privately first, is
important. Were you able to contact
Saber or anyone that currently works for
him about Chris? I contacted Saber
through some friends in common. Never
heard about an official firing, though.
I was never contacted by any friend of
yours, nor did you ever make any attempt
to reach out to me on your own behalf
via Twitter, email, or anywhere else.
You are omitting so much information
right now, but I'll provide some here in
a sec under your original post. Dude, we
can talk privately. I have screenshots
that I contacted both. And
are you going to record the call without
telling me the same way you did to
Chris, too? Talk to me privately. I'm
not doing this back and forth on
Twitter. Then don't at me with your
halftruths and admitted information in
order to gain sympathy and slander my
name. I'm 100% to debunk every
accusation in your video. I have no idea
how you can claim due diligence when you
never reached out to me. Don't [\h__\h]
talk to me like that. Don't call me a
[\h__\h] liar when I have the screenshots
to back me up. And if you're aware of
the call, then the information got back
to you regardless. If there was some
decision made, I never heard about it.
I'm ending this conversation. So, a
couple of things to unpack here. Besides
me not purposely tagging Stephen, it was
a third party. Regardless, Stephen
proceeded to call me a liar publicly.
You calling me a liar? I ain't calling
you a truther. Proceeded to tease me
about doing an unsolicited recording and
to slander him. Slander is spoken. In
print, it's liable. Some red flags to
this response. One, Steven could have
calmly asked who I talked to instead of
assuming the worse. Two, his anger was
directed at me and not an employer,
Chris himself. Three, Steven is claiming
that I never contacted him directly,
implying that he had no information
about this, but admits to knowing the
confrontation with Chris was recorded. H
sound like some [\h__\h] to me. By the
way, I wasn't going to make fun of
Steven so much, but I gave him so many
chances to communicate with me, and he
just didn't do anything. So clearly, he
doesn't care what I have to say. It's
only an issue when there's potential
backlash.
I've come to make an announcement.
Shadow the Hedgehog is a [\h__\h] ass
[\h__\h] He pissed on my [\h__\h]
wife. That's right. He said his dick was
this big and I said, "That's
disgusting." So, I'm making a call out
post on my
twitter.com. Shadow the Hedgehog, you
got a small [\h__\h] dick. It's the size
of this walnut, but way [\h__\h] smaller.
And guess what? Here's what my dong
looks like. That's right, baby. All
points, no quills, no pillows. Look at
that. It looks like two balls and a
bong. He [\h__\h] my wife. Guess what? I'm
going to [\h__\h] the ass. That's right.
That's what you get. My super laser
piss. Except I'm not going to piss on
the Earth. I'm going higher. I'm going
to piss on the moon. How do you like
that, old bomber? You have 23 hours
before the piss droplets fall on the
earth. Now get out of my [\h__\h] sight
before I piss on you, too. So, what I
think happened is that Steven was
informed by Pim. Didn't know it came
from me. discussed it, blew it off, or
decided it was nothing and forgot about
it until he started facing some public
backlash and proceeded to blame me.
Because he was so concerned with direct
communication, I ended up sending him
this email detailing who I talked to,
why this is important, and why this
isn't a single incident. Good afternoon,
Steven. This email is your requested
private communication regarding Chris
and the overall sexual harassment
situation that he has caused. Our full
incident report can be found here if
needed. Since she publicly displayed
confusion at best about my attempting
communication with you prior to this
point, below are screenshots of my
conversations with aka the friends/
employees I pass Chris's information to.
The conversation with specifically
mentions a possible staffing change
based on Chris's actions. And I honestly
cannot fathom a situation where there
would be that drastic of an employee
change or discussion without your
knowledge. Screenshots can be found
here, here, and here. I do not
appreciate you calling me a liar
publicly, and I would like some form of
public apology. He didn't give me one.
Additionally, your public statement
states that you knew the confrontation
between me and Chris was recorded as a
matter of community safety. Combined
with your email interactions with the A
Games lead me to believe that unless
there was some major miscommunication,
you were aware of the situation you have
chosen in action. You still have the
choice to either hold Chris accountable,
i.e. firing him with proof, or keep him
on staff. Should you choose the former,
please communicate this to me as soon as
possible to avoid any miscommunication
in any public statement/information
present after. If you believe this is a
one-time incident, this document linked
below has logged some of Chris's other
inappropriate behavior, including but
not limited to making beastiality jokes
to someone he knew as a minor and the
use of the n-word and Nazi imagery with
himself and will of the games. You can
find more information on page 429 of
this document. I have been clearance to
show unedited screenshots of the
beastiality incident if requested. I
hope that we can clearly communicate
about this going forward. I have no
desire to get into an internet squabble
with you, so let's please work this out
like adults. And do you know what
happened? No response to the email, but
suddenly the Twitter exchange got
deleted. Where did it go? Nowhere to be
found. No apology, no clarification.
Just deleted the evidence that he knew
about the situation in coverage tracks
and enabled the weird dude because god
forbid Steven have to find a new editor
or even do the public apology that I
asked him to when he falsely threw me
under the bus. I believe Steven realized
I wasn't lying and instead of talking to
me directly or apologizing to me, he
just deleted the thread. So, if Stephven
wasn't hiding anything or wasn't sus,
why didn't he just ask me about the
Chris stuff? He just assumed
automatically that I was lying and
started yelling. Very defensive. Very
sus. What exactly was the move here,
Stephen? Do you think just deleting the
thread, putting your fingers in your
ears, and going la would make this all
go away? More of the story is to fire
creepy people on your staff, even if
it's inconvenient to you. Stephen, it is
clear to me that you do not wish to
correspond with any direct communication
despite you personally requesting so. To
say I'm disappointed with your behavior
would be a severe understatement. You
called me a liar publicly without even
asking for the truth or further
clarification. To me, it seems like the
only reason why you wanted to get
involved is that your name was attached
and you're more interested in damage
control for your brand than your brand's
actual integrity. I feel like we
wouldn't even be having this
conversation if there was not another
YouTuber in your space. I hope that you
could be professional about this going
forward, even though frankly you haven't
been through this entire nightmare
ordeal. But clearly that is not
possible. Hey Rachel, to start things
off, I replied to you on Twitter the way
I did out of frustration due to the
misinformation you have about me and how
you were talking about me without ever
contacting me directly prior. I'd
imagine you feel the same frustration if
someone had incorrect info about you,
and probably you do with how some people
went after you in the past with false
information. I truly don't want to
engage in internet drama that operates
off of gossip, but the amount of
misinformation you have is staggering,
so I will set the record straight. As
far as you and me, I'm dumbfounded. We
hung out and that was it. I'm not sure
what you saw in hanging out with me, but
we just went our separate ways. All in
all, I feel blindsided by your emails,
Rachel. How can you say that you come to
me as an impartial individual? As far as
Chris goes, I heard through secondhand
sources of his stupid joke that Chris
made amends with you and that was the
end of it, only for me to get accusatory
emails months later. You never reached
out to me officially, so how could I
acknowledge anything besides what?
Finally, I do have a lawyer, and I will
gladly bring him into our conversation
to clear the air if needed. Now that it
has come to this degree of
misinformation on your end, I will do
everything within my power to clear the
record for the truth, and that includes
exploring legal avenues if necessary. I
hope this information helps and
convinces you to reconsider your
position. Regards, Steven.
Steven, you've already passed the a lot
of time I've given you to deal with the
situation privately as outlined in my
first email, which I feel is ridiculous
considering you had access to this
information for more than a year,
regardless of where it came from. If
you're now going to sit there and
threaten me with legality after this
many private attempts at communication,
I will not be entering any further
discussion with you after this last
correspondence and cutting contact with
you at this point. The reality is I'm
incredibly uncomfortable with your
general approach in which your previous
email and how your public correspondence
has been addressed as well as you in
general. So, I'll keep this as brief as
possible. To add to this, this whole I
will fight you for the truth tone. Your
whole last email in the Twitter thread
is drenched with undermines the actual
issues of the conversation. On top of
assuming I'm going to publish
falsifiable information. Is that how you
talk to someone who's treated poorly by
a current employee in the past based on
all of your previous conversations?
Forgive me if you're not on the top of
my list of people who treat me with
assumed respect. In regards to your
response on my Twitter posting, your
heated response calling me a liar and
questioning my character publicly is
unacceptable. How you were particularly
feeling at the time doesn't justify
calling people names and treating them
poorly. As well, you could have DM'd me
as requested several times or asked for
further information before responding in
such a tone. When all I asked regarding
this exchange is for you to apologize
publicly for something you did publicly,
you instead doubled down in the last
message and tried to justify your
feelings and only privately at that.
This doesn't strike me as someone who's
dealing with the situation with the
utmost maturity. But a desperate attempt
to distract from the actual issues and
make yourself the victim. The fact that
you're going about this route again,
even after I proved I wasn't lying the
first time, is [\h__\h] deranged.
regarding your access to the information
about the incident regarding Chris and
your insistence that I was the one who
directly discussed the information about
Chris instead of your general access to
said information seems to be misguided.
Do I have to tell you directly what to
do with an employee incident of this
scale for anything to happen? I shared
the confirmation I had from both and
that you had said information which came
off as indifference based on what I felt
as well as your correspondence with DA
games alluding to such as well as there
being a public safety report available
with public contact information present
for over a year regarding the situation.
So I don't understand how it's
particularly relevant how you learned
your employee sexually harassed someone
in the past. It just matters that it
happened. Even assuming you didn't know
about Chris's actions up to the Twitter
exchange, I still emailed you directly
to discuss it before it reached this
point, and you seem to ignore that email
and only responded to a second after my
frustration became clearer. To be frank,
it doesn't matter how the perpetrator
feels how the resolution went. But the
fact that it happened in the first place
is unacceptable. Chris is very obviously
going to tell you whatever you need to
hear to keep his job. It's all right,
guys. The criminal said the crime
actually wasn't so bad after all. Hell,
it doesn't even matter how I feel about
it. Still, if you were so concerned with
my personal opinion on the matter to the
point whether it would directly dictate
your decision to keep Chris on staff or
not, I do not for the life of me
understand why you didn't reach out to
me directly or indirectly through our
friends. Great job updating me on the
current status of Chris's employment
even now. By the way, good job. 10 out
of 10. Regardless, this isn't a joke and
your insistence as such is the
underlying problem of this whole
situation. How is it a [\h__\h] joke to
say you ejaculated on your boss's
clothing and say that to other men
multiple times? It cannot and should not
be belittled as just drama. Why would I
have gone through the trouble of
corresponding with DA Games or having a
safety report be written if I just
thought it was just a joke? I was and am
worried about the children Chris and the
greater DA games community still have
access to. Even if I had forgiven Chris
for some reason, it wouldn't be
relevant. Even still, you seem to show
anger that I got at Chris's confession
on record in comparison, you know what
he actually confessed to with your
comment stating, "Are you going to
record the call without telling me the
same way you did Chris?" To be clear, he
is not the victim. Full stop. Neither
are you for that matter, Mr. Truth
Seeker. publicly throwing the actual
recipient under the bus and siding with
the sexual harasser just because he did
not know he was going to be on record as
a safety concern on top of being
incorrect about your information is one
of the most idiotic parts of this whole
ordeal. I felt it was very obvious that
the intention was a recording for the
public record and a possible angle
interpretation of him being blindsided
by a bad joke turned public because I
want to be a [\h__\h] and cause problems is
just insulting and respectful on so many
levels. or how you put it, publicly
discussing halftruths to gain sympathy
and slander your name. Spoiler alert,
this isn't about you. Additionally, the
fact that I went out of my way to
privately talk to you directly after
several attempts to seek resolution with
the staff and wanted to ask on the
Twitter thread and still did not receive
a response until sending a second email
outlining my frustration is just
ridiculous. I then even provided
additional proof of racism and Nazi
imagery that Chris and Will displayed.
There are even incidents of
lollycon/child pornography and sharing
that material with minors allegedly
accidentally on the documentary linked
as well as Will dating a minor in 2015.
If we only knew what Savior Spark
thought about Lollcon. Oh wait, as his
following grew, Cal became very publicly
outspoken with his dislike of lollycon
and similar taboo art styles. For those
who are not familiar with them, let's
just say it's a
This additional document has been
publicly available for over 2 years. The
DA Games community server has had
pedophiles that were quietly kicked out
if slash when discovered instead of
publicly acknowledged. One has a
[\h__\h] mugsh shot on the
document. Since this all seems to have
got ignored until now, on top of the
safety report of the incident being
publicly available for over a year,
solidifies to me my original assumption
that you do only care when you have
consequences for your lack of action.
God forbid someone is a creep on my
staff. Just don't tell the public he
works for me. Does it not seem like
common sense to fire someone who talks
this way about others, especially women,
regardless of when it happened? In the
interest of openness, though, I am open
to do an on the record three-way
conversation between you and myself to
get to the truth of the matter at a
later time, but that will be at your
discretion as his boss and at his
comfort level. as I want to honor
request to not be involved anymore and
not emotionally distress him. But
bluntly, I will not tolerate the
consistent implications of
untruthfulness until this happens. Can
reach out in the future if he's
interested and comfortable about a
possible conversation. Lastly, as I
don't want to get too personal, but is
absolutely laughable that you consider
your romantic interest in me and our
friendship ending as mutually parting
ways. Like, what [\h__\h] planet are you
on? Is that how you summarize every one
of your failed courtships? Let me
refresh you on the
experience. After months of spending
time together in person and your
insistence that we were just friends,
your goal seemingly was instead to spend
time with me and see if I would change
my mind and be open to a romantic
relationship. At that time, I felt like
I'd finally had found a like-minded
content creator and friend close and
distance to me. I think I even said
something along the lines of, "These
feel like dates. I'm just making sure
we're hanging out as friends." Right?
After you grew distance, I felt
manipulated and pressured to say I was
open to dating in order to not lose that
friendship. You then dated Gab's sister
over me and then asked about my dating
availability immediately after that
ended. I tried to play it off but was
uncomfortable with the whole situation.
I felt like I was only important to you
if I was datable and a backup option at
that. Would I have been treated the same
way as a new potential friend if I was
male identifying? This is the whole
reason I went to your staff in the first
place and not you directly. I felt
objectified by my direct experiences
towards you and did not wish to repeat
said experiences for the sake of my own
mental health, but you implied you
needed the clarification. So there you
go, buddy. At this point, I feel
exacerbated with the favor I've given
you and others, personally,
professionally. So, I'll be ending the
conversation here to remind you I am not
a third party in this situation trying
to get cheap or easy views off a popular
content creator. This is how Chris
treated me behind my back. This is how
he never owned up to those actions till
I had to find out about them myself.
This is how his behavior has continued.
This is how the greater DA Games
community could be potentially harmful
to children. This is on top of Chris's
misogynistic anti-semitic behavior that
I stupidly forced myself to tolerate
when he worked for me. And the fact that
I have to sit here and fight and scream
and kick for anyone to take this
seriously is so emotionally draining,
triggering, and insulting. This whole
situation has been a nightmare. But I'm
not going to sit here and let everyone
else pretend it's just a joke out of
public convenience. And I would bet good
money that he's still on your payroll.
I'm at a loss for words. Frankly, I do
not have the patience or emotional
bandwidth for your tone, your constant
vivilization, or to discuss this further
with you at this point for your own
perceived direct benefit. To be blunt,
you triggered the [\h__\h] out of me,
Steven, and I still tried multiple times
to communicate with you, but ultimately
was met with silence until now. You were
screaming on Twitter like a child at me
for months after trying to get any kind
of internal word on Chris and the
information being in the public eye and
you still haven't [\h__\h] apologized for
any of it. How do you think this makes
me feel? On top of that, only then to
even be taking it seriously because I
might make a video and hurt other
people's reputation really shows me how
being affected by all this really
matters in the long run to you. Sexual
harassment, use of Nazi imagery,
pedophilia. Fine to sweep it under the
rug. Just don't bring it up on Twitter.
Rammeses, you bring this upon yourself.
Part whatever. Chris isn't the victim.
Chris isn't the victim. I can't believe
I have to even have this segment. But
with the implication of Steven's, what
are you going to do? Record me comment
on top of Chris's statement talking
about the recording being without his
knowledge. Let's just clear this up. So
firstly, as already stated, I thought it
was obvious that a call was being
recorded for safety reasons because it's
about sexual harassment. It's not like a
fun call. Like I thought it was obvious.
Obviously, it wasn't. This isn't just
someone calling me a [\h__\h] or something
subliminally small. Like, this is
someone using the fact that I am a girl
as a way to negatively sexualize me to
make themselves feel better. Should I
have to say that's not okay?
Additionally, this is someone I trusted
enough to represent me at a convention.
This isn't just some rando being a dick
because he's mad at me for existing on
the internet. I think that's why this
sucks a little bit more. Figures because
[\h__\h] love bringing up old stuff.
Something else to keep in mind is the
loss of reputation which is hard to
recover from. How do the receivers of
the story knowing that it's false or not
going to feel about the person who the
story is being told about? I didn't know
this was happening and I can't defend
myself for my reputation if I'm not
there. If it was a collaborator I was
interested in working with at the time,
he would definitely have negative
feelings about working with me now. What
happens if the story spreads or becomes
distorted through a game of telephone
and changes depending on the teller.
First impressions can last months or
even years and will psychologically
affect personal treatment and ideals,
even the fact of contrary evidence. See
the political landscape. This is not
something Chris came to me about after
it happening. We seemingly had a decent
rapport up to this point. Chris could
have admitted this happened years ago
and I would have still been pissed, but
at least he would have owned up to it
and maybe made a public apology, but
instead I had to hear it from a witness.
It makes me feel like crap. It makes me
feel like my personal comfort, safety,
and privacy is less important than
convenience or the bro code. At the same
point, I want to analyze the
implications of mistreatment. Like, if
Chris really felt this way, I don't know
why it didn't come up at that moment he
was making those jokes or after or even
when I confronted him. It came up on an
apology statement as a vague reference.
This is actual sexualized art, a
sexualized story, buying me a Discord
figure years ago. And he also made
comments on my body when I did the ice
bucket challenge. So, three sex things
plus a potential romantic gesture. Chris
may have been bitter because I didn't
reciprocate romantic feelings or
something. Turns out editing for free
isn't a winning strategy for dating KP.
[Music]
And then things got worse. Hi, I'm
Courtney. You may know me as Pete or
Orchard, but honestly, call me what you
like. KP reached out to me a few weeks
ago asking me to cover the Gabe story in
more detail as she was busy working on
this video here, and I unfortunately
have a fair share of experience with
recognizing online grooming, and I'm
pretty unashamed in speaking out loudly
against it. Gabriel C. Brown, also known
as Black Griffin Online, has had growing
speculations and concerns regarding his
relationship with his now wife and voice
actress of Sweetie Bell and My Little
Pony. From most accounts, it looks as if
Gabe had groomed his now wife from the
time she was 14 until she pursued him
herself at the age of 20. After their
announced engagement and subsequent
marriage, Gabe faced growing accusations
online of grooming his wife. He
dismissed the accusations under the
guise that he had not known her prior to
her being 20, and any interactions they
did have while she was a minor were
strictly professional and in convention
spaces only. A Google document has since
been created compiling evidence from
Gabe and his wife's own Twitter and
YouTube accounts proving these
dismissals to be false, as well as
proving multiple other instances of Gabe
showcasing problematic behavior. I've
covered the topic in a little more depth
in an hourong video on my channel, which
will no doubt be linked in the
description below. Anyway, I'm sprinkled
throughout this video a few times, so I
shall see you all in my next segment.
I became a fan of Saber Spark when I was
in high school when I found his essay
titled Ballad of the Brony in 2011.
After graduating and turning 18, I added
him on Skype to tell him I was a big fan
of his. He added me back almost
instantly and we had a conversation
ending with him giving me his phone
number, which was a really big deal to
me at the time since this was the first
time interacting with any sort of
celebrity. I had developed a parasocial
crush on him due to being starruck,
which was something he was aware of. We
would talk on Skype and text each other
semi-frequently leading up to the first
time meeting him. In 2012, I went to my
first pony convention. This was my first
time ever traveling by myself and was
soon after the two of us became friends.
When I met up with him in person, he
invited me to his hotel room and he
showed me the video he was editing on
his laptop, causing me to internally
geek out. I was really nervous being
alone in a hotel with someone I was a
huge fan of and had a crush on, but I
tried to play it cool. He was four to 5
years older than me, making me feel more
nervous and out of place. He would bring
up the prospects of the two of us dating
and how it didn't feel right for us to
do so. After that, he almost immediately
initiated making out with me and guided
me to his bed. In this moment, he did
not directly ask me for consent. I was
thrown onto his bed and he would insert
himself into me. Saber Spark was also
significantly larger than me as I was an
80s something pound 18-year-old girl, so
I physically could not stop him. I felt
extremely nervous and uncomfortable
because I had never experienced having
any sort of sexual intimacy with someone
I was not dating before, much less
someone I just met. I was very new to
meeting people online in general. At
that moment, I laid there dissociating
as I felt very wrong while trying to
rationalize it in my head to convince
myself it was a safe and normal
encounter. He brushed off the clean and
finished himself and came back to the
bed and offered me a handshake saying
friends. This would cause me for the
rest of the event to feel that I was
taken advantage of and ashamed of myself
for not trying to stop the interaction.
Though I tried pretending I was fine to
everyone around me, I was and still am
demisexual. And being put in that
position was not something I wanted. I
maintained the friendship until a second
occurrence happening at a completely
different Ponycon in 2013. This time we
met in a public space but had no one
around and talked for a while. He kept
bringing out the prospects of us
starting a relationship but how it felt
wrong. He would grab my hand saying how
it felt so right only to push my hand
away saying but so wrong. I had decided
that my crush on him was something I
needed to get over because I felt that
my emotions were being toyed with. He
then suggested going to a more public
space around others and we went into the
elevator to go up to the lobby of the
Ponycon Hotel. As soon as the door
closed, Saber Spark forcefully shoved me
against the wall and shoved his tongue
down my throat. It scared me and
actually hurt, triggering another attack
of dissociation. Once again, he did not
ask for consent when throwing me into
this situation. Once the doors opened
and people were present, this led me to
feel very embarrassed.
He got off me and took my hand and
guided me towards the stairs to go back
down to where we just were and into a
man's restroom where he pulled his pants
down and guided my hands and head to
perform oral sex on him. I was afraid of
denying him because of past experiences
with sexual assault. So, I did it to get
it over with without wanting to cause a
problem where he would ejaculate on my
face, apologize profusely, and then
offer the same handshake as he did at
the con I initially met him, saying,
"Friends." Despite pretending I was
fine, I had slowly begun pulling away
from Saber Spark. I cried that night
while staying with a friend, but waited
for that friend to fall asleep so no one
could hear me, and I would cry for
months, feeling ashamed of myself for
putting myself in a compromising
situation with someone I hardly knew. I
had always felt taken advantage of by
him and tried being friendly and
pretending nothing was wrong because it
was all I knew how to do. I would blame
myself for the interactions for years,
only opening up to a few close people,
questioning if consent was implied
because of my crush and unwillingness
and fear to outright stop the advances
because of how uncomfortable I felt. I
understand that there is a possibility
that he felt consent was implied because
he knew I had a crush on him. However,
he did not once ask for consent directly
and was instead thrown into these sexual
encounters, usually very suddenly. There
were no discussions about the power
dynamic between us as a popular content
creator and a fan at any time and my
parasocial connection to him and not
wanting someone I was a fan of to hate
me if I rejected him, leaving me afraid
to stop his advances. Over time, I grew
increasingly distant and would
eventually end contact completely. I
don't feel safe enough to fully come
forward because I don't want his fans
and friends or even him to harass or
contact me publicly. I wish to stay
anonymous so I can avoid the anxiety and
stress of being targeted by either him,
his friends, and especially his fans as
Saber Spark has over 2 million
subscribers. And even sharing my story
at all has me feeling really afraid. I
have seen other instances of Saber Spark
using his enormous platform to confront
people online. he has had conflict with.
I have also witnessed several instances
of his friends attempting to justify him
and others actions. I was not made aware
of his jokes about consent and his
recent behavior involving Chris until
only recently and had left my stomach in
knots. I please ask above all else for
my privacy to be respected. I don't wish
to publicly defend my personal
experience and just wish to share my
experience.
So, welcome to the video where we break
this down a little bit more and talk
about what is consent because yeah, it's
an important discussion here. So,
because this is a really serious
conversation and I know almost nothing
about sexual assault, I invited Courtney
again. She's all over this video to talk
about like what is consent and when's
consent is there and when it's not
there. Um, it's it's we're having a
great time here at the the the worst
video ever and just kind of break it
down so we have a better understanding.
And all you nerds out there, don't do
something really really bad like this.
Um, don't do it, guys.
Don't don't do it. Hi again, Courtney.
Welcome. You'll be in the video
everywhere at this point. Hello
everybody. It is I. I have returned once
again. So happy to be here.
So, I've shown you the testimony at this
point. Um, what what are your general
vibes on it besides icky and um sad and
I I I don't know. This is just like
super triggering to me
cuz Yeah. So, I thought I'd also bring
you in there, bring you in here to to
hold my hand during this. But
yeah. Yeah. In terms of the testimony,
it's just it's just kind of
heartbreaking really. Uh it's just it's
always heartbreaking to me when people
question their own sexual assault just
because of the lack of education around
it. And like something that I just want
to say to anybody out there
is a consensual sexual encounter is
never something you're going to question
afterwards. Okay? Like you just don't
question a consensual encounter. Sure,
you may have a consensual encounter
that's
unsatisfying. You may have one that you,
you know, regret that might, you may
look back on one and go, you know, if I
can make that decision again, I probably
wouldn't.
But people don't question consensual
sexual experiences with did I just get
violated to be quite
honest. And like the other thing that
kind of breaks my heart
is there's one point in her testimony
where where she questions if I if I'm
remembering this correctly that like
maybe she was at fault because she had a
crush on him. Like maybe she gave the
wrong signal or something. Maybe she
implied something or he thought consent
was implied because he knew there was a
crush on her.
Like in in all honesty, consent is never
implied.
Like even even secure, confident
individuals in a in a sexual encounter
will check in with their partner as
things escalate and change gears and and
they'll say things like, you know, are
you okay? Should we keep going? Is this
good? Like because consent is not
something that is implied. It's never
something that's implied.
It's it's not you know an absence of a
no is not a yes in any regard. An
absence of
uh resistance is not compliance. And
even in that regard compliance is not an
invitation. Mhm. Because this girl had a
crush on Saber. It was okay that he just
kind of initiated things. And then
especially too in the elevator in a
public space when he's just much larger
than her like physically. I don't know.
It's it's all icky. But like what what
would you define consent as? And when
would you define like obviously this
isn't it for sure, but go ahead. And in
terms of like a definition of consent
and what it is and what it isn't, um
consent is an excited yes. consent is
exuberant
um what's the word I'm looking for um
payback for lack of a better term I
guess
like two people in a consensual
encounter engage in a give and take like
it's never just one person doing all of
the action and the other person just
laying there like like a bump on a log
you know it's an action that two people
engage in when it's consensual
Um, nine times out of 10 when it's one
person just using another person's body
for sexual
gratification, that's not a consensual
encounter. That is just a violation of
somebody's person. And it's actually
pretty common for like sexual aggressors
to attack somebody like in a in a
innocuous sort of sense like in the
elevator, especially at like a
convention or something like that in
public
because it sort of um dissuades the the
the target or the victim from actually
saying anything because like half the
time people will think, well, this is
being done in public. Surely somebody's
going to say something so I don't have
to. But the other part of them doesn't
want to cause a scene and be embarrassed
because they're already embarrassed by
the fact that they're being attacked.
The fact that PDA in general is seen as
like a sort of cringy embarrassing
thing. And like they don't want to draw
more attention to
themselves, especially while they're
dealing with the fact that they're being
attacked. And part of them just hopes
that somebody's going to do it anyway.
like like step in and say something
anyway. And the problem with with the
public the general public is they sort
of fall into the someone else will deal
with it mentality whereas everybody sort
of assumes that somebody else is going
to step in and say something so they
therefore then
won't. Well, the other thing I wanted to
throw in there too is um nothing that's
illegal, but kind of the parasocial
relationship of like, you know, it's
always it seems like it's a common thing
where like, you know, back in the day
rock stars would sleep with their
groupies kind of thing, but now it's
kind of
more discussed that that's a paradic
that shouldn't really be abused. And
especially when you don't really know
someone in person, you know, like um
from the testimony, this is her first
time in person with
Saber and he immediately jumps, not
immediately, but he pretty much
immediately jumps on her. So that also
kind of gave me a big ick. Any thoughts
on that?
And one other thing I wanted to add in
is that, you know, confident individuals
in a sexual
encounter don't have to assume that
consent is there because they will ask.
And to be honest, the only time you're
not asking or checking for consent is
because you know yourself that the yes
is not there and you don't want to hear
the no. So you will not ask. Okay?
Because if you think consent is complied
and you think the person that is, you
know, on the other end of it is actively
participating, if you know the answer is
going to be yes, then what do you have
to lose by just asking and being a
responsible individual when it comes to
sexual practice and just asking? And the
difference
between like rock stars sleeping with
groupies comes down to like literally
consent. Like the there's a big
difference between, you know, the chick
who's going to see the rockstar perform
and like flashing her titties while he's
performing and then going and flashing
her titties to the bouncer to get
backstage and then flashing her titties
in the rockstar's face. probably making
out with him a bit of her own valition
and one of them saying, "Hey, let's go
back and sleep in the van." Like there
are multiple instances where consent is
very very clearly given by the groupy
sleeping with the rockstar. And like
yeah, there may be a certain power
dynamic and like there absolutely is
multiple instances of rock stars abusing
that to be like, "Hey, well, I'm famous.
Show me your titties." But there's a big
difference between going, "Hey, I'm
famous. Show me your titties." and
someone going, "I'm showing you my
titties because I want to sleep with
you." Right? Like just just the act of
like basically showing you my titties is
in in most circumstances an invitation
to touch my body.
Okay. In no way is I'm a big fan of
yours an invitation to touch somebody's
body. And I also find it really, really
weird that this dude meets a
fan, gets the inkling she has a crush on
him, so he invites her back to his hotel
room. Okay? Like, getting invited back
to the hotel room has sexual
connotations. And the fact that she
didn't realize that just shows how naive
she was. and the fact that none of that
was communicated because clearly he knew
what he was inviting her back to the
hotel room for, but she
didn't. And that just gives me like
major the major ick to be quite honest
because
like it's really as if Saber is acting
like he's Jean Simmons inviting you back
to you know the the hotel room when in
reality
he's a a pudgy brony
YouTuber showing you his his animations
before he shows you his dick. Like
that's not the same thing at all. Like
you think there was some kind of weird
parasocial dynamic too that she felt
uncomfortable, you know, advocating for
herself because like oh this is the real
Saber Spark TM like I don't want to feel
like, you know, he might say something
on Twitter, you know, blast me publicly.
Like is there pressure just generally
speaking when celebrities, you know,
have those kind of encounters with fans?
I guess of course she would have felt
uncomfortable advocating for herself.
Like most most fans don't get to meet
their idol in person. So meeting your
idol in person is already a very um like
exalted sort of status. Like that's
something most fans dream of but never
actually get to. So once you put a fan
in the situation where they're meeting
their idol in person, something they
dream probably never thought would
happen but always dreamed would happen,
no fan is going to do something that's
going to jeopardize that. And that
includes offending their
idol. And like it's it the idol knows
that. And for like say like anybody to
sit there and be like, well, you know
what? If what if so and so wasn't aware
of the power dynamic like they always
know. You can always tell. You can
always feel it. You can tell when
somebody is fangirling.
and to like for someone who's going to
sit there and pray on that and be like,
"Well, I know you're not going to say no
to me or at least give me a hard
boundary that could possibly offend me.
So, I'm going to exploit that by asking
things of you that I know you wouldn't
say yes to in any other situation."
And
like to be quite honest, no fan is going
to do any most, sorry, most fans are not
going to do anything other than fall
into line with that because again,
they're getting to an exalted status of
getting to meet their idol in person.
You know, they've been a fan of this
person. They've done art for this
person. They've dreamed of meeting this
person. They're not going to jeopardize
that by offending that person by saying
no. Mhm. And not that those
relationships can't happen, but it's
very tricky water as far as, you know,
establishing and acknowledging the power
dynamic and discussing it before like
even anything were to happen. But I
don't know, my whole mo has never really
been to go date your fans cuz you know
it like your your fans are not a dating
pool. They're like they're just, you
know, they're there to consume your
content. I don't know. It just ic this
it's not it's not technically illegal,
but it just kind of icked to me. And in
terms of dating your fans, like I I
don't know. I just kind of miss the days
where it was considered just not kosher
to date from your fan base. Like that
was considered poor form because like
your fans aren't your peers. And I just
I always question why like when somebody
can't pull from their peers, like why is
it that you can't like land somebody and
date somebody who's like on an even
playing field with you? Why does there
have to be a power imbalance? And and I
that's always like the the trend with
these types like there if you look at
like their most of their relationships,
they're all there's always a power
imbalance. And if you have a track
record of having a power imbalance in
your
relationships, what is wrong with you?
Like, why do you need to have a oneup on
somebody in order to be in a
relationship with them? Like, you need
therapy. Yeah, it's so fun here. Um, I
think that's it, Courtney. Unless you
have anything else to add, like anything
else you want to add that that you
remember from the testimony that you
want to comment on. If you question if
it's a violation, it probably was.
If you feel
violated, that was not
consent. Your feelings matter. Your
feelings are
valid. Consent is never
implied.
Um, real men who get [\h__\h] ask for
consent. I guess that's
it. Uh, what a what a good way to to end
the video. Not end the video, end the
segment. What a good way to end the
segment. Part five, why make this video?
Unfortunately, this is insight about how
content creators can respond to
situations of sexual harassment and more
damning incidents. It's important to
talk about how this stuff isn't okay and
it's not something to make jokes out of.
I personally shouldn't have to be
sexualized or belittle because someone
didn't get what they wanted and in a
professional setting. The story and the
other incidents are taken to an extreme.
I should not have to fight with people
to get justice for something like this
or for other victims. and especially on
receiving responses when there only
might be repercussions on the line. It's
messed up. And I'm hoping this can be a
learning experience for anyone who has
ever made a nasty meme or taken
something too far. Admitting it and
apologizing without being prompted can
go a long way. And thinking about
possible consequences should be as well.
Chris didn't just make up a bad story.
He did some other unsavory stuff.
Combined with the lack of action when a
groomer is in the DA game space, when
there are children in there is
unacceptable. There is nothing bad or
off-brand about kicking a pedophile out
of your community and letting other
adjacent communities know. It also seems
to me that many popular content creators
don't know or frankly don't care about
keeping their community safe when it
comes to problematic behavior. There
will be confrontation involved. So, if
you don't like confrontation, maybe
think twice about being a content
creator. If you don't want so much
responsibility, then consider making
public spaces 18 plus. But even then,
there still might be creeps. So, I made
a quick little guide, KP's guide to
dealing with bad people in your
community. Number one, listen to someone
if they have a serious concern and make
sure they have screenshots if possible.
And if you're too busy, get a mod team
to help you with this. Number two, if
the screenshots are damning enough, skip
step three and remove them from your
space. Number three, if there are no
screenshots, confront the person with
the issue stated and get their side of
the story. Have others weigh in on the
decision if it's a hard one. Number
four, make a Google doc with problematic
or unsafe behavior so it can be shared
with other communities and this person
can't prey on another fan group. Number
five, look out for name changes in
general suspicious behavior, especially
in fandom communities. All in all, these
people seem to be unsafe around children
because they don't seem to care about
holding anyone accountable. And Saber
probably didn't think all this through
because he didn't think it was going to
be public. Oops. # sorry not sorry part
six [\h__\h] on Lily Orchard because
it's fun.
[Music]
So, welcome to the Lily section for the
people who only care about her and not
any of the other stuff. Fun fact, Lily
just rebranded herself as CD call out
because it's totally about not escaping
all the pedophilia and abuse claims and
just making people happy with her
sunshiny content cuz her content's
always just so positive and great and
Jesus [\h__\h] Christ, she's not [\h__\h]
fooling anyone. Are you a rotten liar?
KP wanted to talk to Sketchy about all
these accusations made against me and
then show screenshots that made it very
obvious that she's lying. Sketchy says
rather plainly, "I am not comfortable
discussing my friends when they're not
around." To which KP offers adding a
third party whose relation to the case
she has yet to disclose, but she is
unfortunately missing the point. Sketchy
did not want to have this conversation
while I wasn't present, so the third
party had to be me. So, the sketchy
stuff was generally taken out of
context. In the screenshot I'm showing
you, Sketchy basically said he wasn't
open to the conversation, even though I
offered if a third party was present,
and he still said no. The third party
was implied to be Lily herself. So, it
didn't seem to me that he was open to
the conversation regardless if Willie
was there or not. If he was open to the
conversation when Willie was there, then
he should have clarified that with
communication. And I'm still open to
have that conversation even now. So,
like, let's go, bro.
You move, chief. The other thing in the
first screenshot is that he just assumes
I'm projecting. Like, that's a weird
thing to say for someone I don't really
talk to that often. I don't want to
speculate on private conversation with
Lily, but am I wrong to say that's a
little sussy? It seems obvious to me
that Lily talked to him before I
confronted him, but I'm not 100% sure.
I'm not going to sit here and speculate
that. Oh, fun fact, Sketchy is also a
not safe for work furry artist, which
fine, you live your best life, Sketchy.
But you know what? I don't think furries
are really into the whole pedophilia
scene. So, you know what' be great? If
all the furries spread the word and said
not to commission this guy cuz he's
friends with a pedophile.
You're an angry mom. What are we? We're
an angry mom. Let's talk about the
recording confrontation. So, generally
what happened during the segment is Lily
kind of manipulated what I said and
miscommunicated some things. So, I'm
here to clarify because, you know, [\h__\h]
Lily, who cares? So, number one, Lily
totally skips the part of the
confrontation where she lies about
Stockholm. So, I was really [\h__\h]
pissed off at uh the fact that Finn
fiction just basically basically just
kind of let anything go in regard in
regards to content and just hosted a
shitload of child porn. So, I wrote a
book where basically a bunch of p So, I
wrote a a fick where a bunch of
pedophiles just get shot in the head and
then bronies got really mad about it and
started lying about its contents. That's
a weird thing to leave out for someone
who wants to tell the truth. Isn't that
convenient?
Um, KP, people have made worse
accusations about you. Yeah, because
allegedly treating your employees poorly
is totally worse than raping your own
little sister. She needs to sort out her
priorities. KP decides my denying of the
accusations carries less weight than her
making them because she just decided
that was the case. I never accused
anyone of lying and Lily just was like,
"I don't want you talking to Courtney."
So, as a favor to you, if I reached out
to Courtney and got her to apologize for
the trans the trans No, no, no. I do not
want you to reach out to Courtney at
all. Just seems like a weird thing to
say. If you have nothing to hide, Pearl
reaction to me just asking about it was
so defensive. That's just a question. No
need to get so defensive. And where have
they said worse things about me? I want
you to site your sources. Never mind
that when you don't have a significant
social media presence, you have nothing
to lose and everything to gain by doing
it. Yeah, because I'm going to come out
of total obscurity to accuse someone of
rape for 1,000 subscribers on YouTube.
Makes sense. Do you even hear yourself?
Never mind that this is literally policy
in some states. The [\h__\h] What even?
You're not even American, you stupid
girl. Girl, can you not? I want to kiss
your face with a hammer. She then
decided to offer to mediate a call
between me and Courtney. And are you
[\h__\h] kidding me? Oh boy. Yeah, I sure
I would love it if the queen of the
lollipop guild organized a call between
me and my abuser like we're on an
episode of [\h__\h] smiling friends just
because she's a gullible [\h__\h] with all
the political awareness of a drunk
sparrow in a rave. The [\h__\h] How is this
political? Why a sparrow? Is that like a
metaphor for something you made up in
your head? That is without a doubt the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. Some
people were surprised at how abruptly I
ended the call when KP said she wasn't
comfortable with the accusations made
against me. I just said, "All right,
bye." and left and blocked her on
everything. Simple reason for that. I
don't want to be friends with anyone who
believes any of this garbage, and that's
something I'm entitled to do. Yeah,
sure. I never said you can't do that.
It's just a little defensive and weird.
I didn't yell. I didn't scream. I didn't
call her any names. I just said bye and
left. Girl, you called her a bunch of
names in this video and demeaned her
intelligence. Actually, bye. Okay, I'm
out. Can't do this anymore. Need to go
home. I never said I believed in the
accusations, just that they made me
uncomfortable and wanted to ask Lily
about them. Is that not communicating?
Lily, you always hemmed and hollered
about, "Oh, no one ever communicates
with me. They never set boundaries and
then they just leave when I make them
uncomfortable." I just wish people would
communicate and tell me when they're
uncomfortable so we can find solutions
together. You're such a hypocrite.
because I'm communicating that I'm
uncomfortable. Suddenly, I'm a gullible
[\h__\h] Gee, I wonder why your friends
don't feel like they can communicate
with you. You can go back over the
podcast we did talking about personal
trauma where I bring up most of the
stuff and she's just kind of
disinterested in anything that isn't
about her. We just kind of accepted
that. I mean, it's not that KP was a
shitty friend. It's just that she was
just kind of there and it was something
that made cutting the thread upon KP
crossing my strictest boundaries easier
to do. Let's talk about how I didn't
want to interrupt someone who's talking
about their trauma. Michaela also had to
push me to communicate with Lily. And
Lily actively flirting with me was a
little uncomfy, especially live. Like
literally everyone, [\h__\h] you. KP is an
absolutely lovely person. Yay. I'm I'm
I'm going to slowly I've made this joke
like privately, but like I'm slowly
going to acquire a lesbian army and take
over the world. Just give it time.
Anyway, that is like that is the that is
that is the most aggressive polycule
ever. Lily clearly never ever wanted to
[\h__\h] me. Never ever. And I never ever
had a reason to not want to open up to
her. And she seems to think that's some
kind of personal slight against her.
That I never warmed up to her in the way
she wanted me to. Then I learned about
how she raped her sister and about
Stockholm and the dog [\h__\h] And you
[\h__\h] wonder where I'm like, "Yeah,
maybe Lily Orchard isn't like the best
person." Well, stay away from her then.
This isn't even to call KP a bad person
for being an aloof, self-centered weirdo
who's always disassociating. Lily,
you're being ableist. Just because you
also have PTSD doesn't mean it's cool to
say that I'm odd in the head. It's just
that all that stuff made me realize I
wasn't really going to miss her. Oh no,
the incestuous pedophile rapist doesn't
want me in her poly kill anymore.
Whatever shall I do? Stop. Don't come
back. In general, you should always be
extremely suspicious of any accuser who
tries to convince you not to listen to
the accused response. But that's what
you did, Lily. That's what you did. Oh,
PS. Yes, on the Britney section, Lily
cropped out a lot of Britney's talking
points to sound like she was talking to
herself. So, go check Britney's logs and
report back. That's your homework.
Unless you're stupid enough to believe
Lily on her word, which, you know, can't
really help you there. And also, she cut
out all the dog [\h__\h] pictures in the
patch section. So, you
know, when we were So, we start we
started school at like five or six. Lily
started at 5:00. I started at 6:00. And
we always got the bus up at the top
entrance of the uh the trailer park
where there was the store. Now, the
trailer park used to be gated for
whatever reason. And the the stone walls
that held the gates are still in place.
I'm pretty sure they might even still be
there to this day, but they were when we
were growing up. And you know, people
used to just stick their chewed gum to
it to discard their gum. Yeah. And while
we were waiting for the bus up by that
store, Lily made a habit starting at
like 7 years old of like peeling the gum
off of this wall and eating it. Not like
chewing it, just like swallowing it,
just eating it. It reminds me of that
scene in Elf where he's just going
around New York City and he's just like
picking the gum off the the sidewalks.
Exactly. And and it was so funny because
I'd see her doing it and then of course
being 6 years old and that being
disgusting, I'd go rat her out to her
mother and her mother would come over
and start screaming at her to drop the
gum and like a dog with something it's
not supposed to eat, Lily would just
start shoving it into her mouth faster.
Did she ever get sick like from this?
Cuz this is like like
like who who knows who's putting the gum
there? I've been asked that before, but
surprisingly I don't think she ever did.
Like she wasn't sick a lot as a kid.
Other than like the scarlet fever and
the chickenpox, she really didn't
actually get sick that much. Neither of
us really did. But no, she just like and
it was it was such a problem that like
we switched bus
stops because she wouldn't stop eating
the gum.
So, what was the reason that like she
was even just just out of like boredom
or something? Or like she found the gum
and she's like, "Ooh, that's colorful.
I'm going to put it in my mouth." That's
what she
said. I mean, if she was really that
like mentally incapacitated at seven,
maybe that was the mindset. I really
couldn't tell you what what brings one
to seed gum crammed into a stone wall
that makes you think I should put that
in my mouth and then you go through the
effort of prying it off with little the
all the little stones that are in it and
you just go yes in my mouth it goes
uh I mean like you made a good point
that even when you were younger you kind
of knew that was a little off so it's
not like she you know was just being a
dumb kid. I mean, I guess to some
extent, but like at the same time,
speaking because for Lily, like negative
attention was still attention and
getting yelled at by her parents was
attention. So, whatever whatever made
that happen was a good thing. And like
someone might suggest someone might
suggest in the comments of this video
that maybe Lily had pika. No, she didn't
cuz she didn't eat weird things like she
didn't like pick off the drywall and eat
it or eat stones. No, it was just
already chewed gum. What is pika? It's a
it's like a I think it's classified as a
disorder, but it's a phenomenon where
people will start eating things that are
not food items and typically it's
because of like a mineral deficiency or
something. I think there's also links to
um like psychological issues, but a lot
of the times it's your body is seeking
some sort of vitamin or mineral and then
you end up somehow getting that from
eating non-food items. Usually it like
happens in terms of like stone. Like
you'll find people eating rocks and it
turns out that they have like a calcium
or something deficiency
like so so how long did this go on for
like a year or two? Uh no it was a good
like it was a good couple of weeks
because like our mom was on her every
time it got to the point where when we
would go walk to the bus stop in the
morning she would be like now Lily don't
eat the [\h__\h] gum off the wall. Like
just sit there and lecture her. And then
like I don't know, like a handicapped
toddler, she got off the leash and then
would go straight for the gum.
I like how there's already fan art of
her like looking like a little golem
eating the gum. Like we need more fan
art of this. I mean, she kind of was
like a little goblin cuz like it got to
the point I mean it it happened enough
times that the other kids at the bus
stop would just kind of like hang off
like a little bit of ways from the wall
and just sort of watch her do it. Uh,
so she literally would be like crouched
on top of this wall just with an
audience just prying up this gum and
thenum nom. Oh, that's nasty. And it was
never like the same energy of when she
chewed my Barbie shoes because she
always had this habit of chewing up the
shoes of my Barbies. Um, never their
feet, but just the shoes, which honestly
I just chocked up to, well, she's she's
like ADHD and autistic. She chews on
[\h__\h] Of course she chewed on the
plastic shoes. It pissed me off, but
whatever. But it was never the same
energy because like it was only that
wall. Oh, like yeah, it must have been
for attention like which is doesn't make
it not gross but like
uh don't do that guys.
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