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*sad music*
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This video is not suitable for
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all ages and should only be
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viewed by viewers 18 or older
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due to the nature of the
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content discussed and the
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discussion of sexual predators
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on the internet. Trigger
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warnings for the following: pedophilia,
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lollicon and child pornography,
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suicide, grooming, antisemitism
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and nazi imagery, sexual
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harassment and sexual objectification,
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bestiality, enzophilia, and
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rape. Please do not harass
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anyone named in this video.
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Hello viewers welcome to
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another segment of "Maybe the
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internet was a big fucking
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mistake."
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Big mistake. Big. Huge.
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On a more serious note, this
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video covers sexual gratification
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as well as general sexual
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harassment and it's a very
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depressing story. If you're a
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kid who somehow got past the
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age restriction, please go away
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now. Just go.
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Now, I don't like covering
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these stories. We're an
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animation channel. We cover
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very important stuff like
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Disney and not Disney things
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sometimes.
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But I like to think of myself
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like the Jon Stewart of the
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YouTube animation community. I
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call things out when I feel
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like I can add something to the
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conversation.
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And it's important to talk
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about when YouTubers are misusing
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their platforms, so what's the
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no fun situation? Because I
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hate it here.
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I don't wanna be alive anymore.
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I've chosen not to keep this
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person anonymous because I
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believe this is not a mistake
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or a slip of the tongue. This
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is an active attempt of slander
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and misogyny and that's just
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not acceptable.
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Also, this incident wasn't
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freely admitted to me. I had to
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have someone else tell me that
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this was going on. In a
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professional setting.
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And he couldn't even tell me
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himself.
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Chris was a team member roughly
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from 2014 to 2015. I know. I'm
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old. Chris was generally a nice
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guy in my time knowing him, but
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he exhibited weird behavior.
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Like you just draw this for
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your boss, right? If memory
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serves, there's also a nude
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version.
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That's disgusting.
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He was also my first trip to
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Everfree Northwest, the one we
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did the blog about. He's this
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guy here. The story is as
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follows. I'm not gonna read it
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myself because it's gonna make
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me sick, so I'm just gonna have
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someone else read it.
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At some point over the last few
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years, Chris told his story,
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allegedly several times, that
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in the bathroom of the hotel
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where the group was staying, he
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was masturbating to KP's
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clothing.
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Chris states that this is a lie,
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as he was actually constipated
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during the trip, and there were
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no witnesses to his masturbation
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story in or near the hotel room.
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We don't know the details about
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who the story was told to,
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besides the whistleblower who
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will remain anonymous.
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But it was likely Will Ryan,
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head of the YouTube channel DA
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Games, as Chris and Will are
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friends, as well as friends and/or
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employees of that YouTube
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channel.
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Chris also started working for
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DA Games shortly after leaving
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the I Love Composible Law
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Production team, so the
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timelines track.
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Once KP was informed that this
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incident took place, she
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confronted him via text and an
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audio confession. The audio is
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linked in the description if
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you would like to listen to the
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whole thing yourself.
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Chris and Chris: All right.
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Well, first, I think it's the
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obvious thing is one, just want
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to profusely apologize for that
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terrible fucking thing I did.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that God was an absolute
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horrible person so many years
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ago, and you didn't deserve
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that. So...
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Chris and Chris: Right. So I
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have a couple of things. So my
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source says, you told this
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story in front of Will and Sean
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and a couple other people. Is
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that correct?
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Chris and Chris: That would
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probably be correct, yeah.
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Chris and Chris: So Will has
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heard this story probably in
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passing a couple of times,
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correct?
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Chris and Chris: Yeah, probably
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once.
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Chris: Okay. Same with Sean?
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Chris and Chris: Yeah, Sean.
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Chris: Okay. Did you talk to
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Sean?
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privately about anything else
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that happened
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when you were working on the
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team that I don't know about?
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Not that I can remember.
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Okay.
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Nothing I say is meant to
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excuse what I did
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because it's inexcusable what I
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did.
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Do you want me to say what the
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story was
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just for context or do you want
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to explain it?
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I mean, I guess it makes more
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sense if I do
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because I don't think it's fair
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for you to have to reiterate
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that horrible thing.
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Sure, go ahead.
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Yeah, so the old tale goes is
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that
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I pleasured myself in the hotel
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bathroom we were sharing
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during one of our breaks when
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everyone was gone and whatever.
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and that I fell off the john
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after
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basically getting lightheaded
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from what would be
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ejaculation falling on the
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floor
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where your dirty clothes also
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happened to be
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and that my face planted on
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your underwear.
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Right.
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Part of my PD version, I have a
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six-year-old in the other room,
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so.
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Okay, I wasn't aware of that,
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but thanks for being honest.
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Chris in his audio testimony
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assured his other boss,
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YouTuber Saberspark, wasn't
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told this story.
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But it's unclear how truthful
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Chris is being when he says
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that.
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Chris also tries to steer the
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conversation to not include too
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much explicitly,
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stating that, quote, "there is
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a baby in the other room,"
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unquote.
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But that also might have been a
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ploy to lessen the harshness of
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the anger present.
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Regardless, since Chris says he
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was lying about the whole
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incident, it's difficult to
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take his word on anything due
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to this lie and the actions he
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took regarding it.
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So once I was informed of this
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information and got Chris
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admitting to it, I sent that
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proof to Saberspark through
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mutual friends and to DA Games.
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After reaching out twice and
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waiting months for any private
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messages, I eventually received
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someone at DA Games in their
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totally real HR department that
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totally exists. Even though I
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couldn't find any proof of it
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online. That's totally not run
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by Will's roommate, who's
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financially dependent on him.
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And for the record, I assume
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Chris knew he was being
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recorded because it was a call.
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Chris and Chris was a call
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about safety. It only gets
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worse from here. I'm gonna need
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every last drop of this. Let's
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bring a political comparison.
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For those who forgot or are not
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American, good for you. The
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2016 leak of the Hollywood
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access tape was a big deal. In
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a bus, we have an orange man
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who shall not be named and
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Billy Bush, a member of the
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Bush family. He's a cousin of
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President George W. Bush, or as
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my Gen Z audience would know,
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the shoe guy. Who thrilled
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a shoe honestly orange man was
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talking about women in an
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inappropriate way google it if
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you want to
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this whole script is giving me
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a headache you know i'm
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automatically attracted to
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beautiful i just
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start kissing them it's like a
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magnet now even though this was
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in 2005 and leaked in 2016 and
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even though billy bush was now
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working for the today show and
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not hollywood access where the
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tape
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was obtained bush was still
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fired on moral grounds not
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contract obligations it seems
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like keeping him
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on staff would be a bad look
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for the today show despite this
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happening over 10 years ago
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imagine
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that so i find this before his
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contract excuse to be weak at
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best the ironic thing is bush
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was mostly
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going along with what was said
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chris actually did more than
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bush did and suffered less
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consequences
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as well if chris told the story
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multiple times i would assume
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one of those times was after
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his
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contract was signed but don't
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worry chris can still run for
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president
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just listen to how bush
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described it affecting his
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family what was it like for you
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to go back home
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after the tape had been
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released to face your daughters
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your wife what was that moment
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like for you
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well the initial moments were
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uh total chaos the paparazzi
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were never interested in me
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before and now
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they're outside the gate and
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ready to go and but once we
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settled um and got to connect
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there was a powerful
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moment my now 16 year old
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daughter called me and she was
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in tears and she was really
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upset and i i said
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mary it's it's gonna be okay
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you know don't worry and she
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said no why were you laughing
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at the things that he was
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saying
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on that bus why were you
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playing along with that it wasn't
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funny i said mary i am sorry
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and there is no
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good answer for that if you
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take another extreme example do
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you guys remember the michael vick
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controversy for those who don't
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know american football player
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michael vick was caught running
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a dog fighting
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ring you know where they take
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poor little puppies and make
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them fight to the death for
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gambling purposes
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why would you do that i'm
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pretty sure there's no clause
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in his football contract that
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says don't do
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that but he was also fired on
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moral grounds imagine
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consequences for your actions
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at the very least
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let's assume the absolute best
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of the situation chris was
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being truthful sabre and a will
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wasn't there to
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hear these conversations this
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happened before he was hired
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somehow i'm glad a whistleblower
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came forward but
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even so if this is how someone
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is talking about women shouldn't
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you tell their future bosses
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does an
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employee talking about women in
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this unethical way make the
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company look bad i mean this
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isn't just a
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slip of the tongue this is a
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purposeful attempt to objectify
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a woman due to bitterness and
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self-esteem
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issues and should be taken
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seriously in any workplace even
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a virtual one like youtube and
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the fact that
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da games and others value chris's
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safety and privacy more than
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holding him accountable makes
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me worry
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because this is harassment and
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i don't have to take it new
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developments i posted part of
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the email
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exchange on twitter again and
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that blew up i guess da games
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released a statement due to
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public pressure
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if not then they would have
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released their statement a year
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ago when this email exchange
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took place chris is
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going away on work training um
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can i have proof of that please
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because you've already been
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pretty
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untruthful to me i think you
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guys are just trying to wait
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until this all dies down and
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everyone forgets
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and then chris will just
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magically appear chris's
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statement also came out which
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is really respectful i'll
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call me an employer oh by the
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way i was being sarcastic and
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then trying to make himself the
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victim
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chris if you felt mistreated
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this is the first i'm ever
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hearing about it so politely
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talk to me directly
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or shut the fuck up you need to
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shut the fuck up i know we have
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this dude bro culture around
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youtube
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entrepreneurs who have never
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been to business school before
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and don't know about good
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company ethics
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as far as chris i would hope he
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gets an official investigation
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into his character from both
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parties
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and as a lead with the billy
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bush example possibly terminated
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i don't know if chris has
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personally
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changed or what his character
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is now or if there are any
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other victims out there but do
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you really
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want this kind of guy to be
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representing your company to
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work in the media industry is a
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privilege
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why protect sexual harassers
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even if it's just a dumb
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internet job and i know this
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all sucks hearing
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this is probably gonna suck
11:31.490 --> 11:32.750
working on this video has
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sucked real bad i've cried a
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lot but it seems like
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that miners are in threat of
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being preyed on will himself
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has done some suspicious
11:40.940 --> 11:42.060
behavior and it
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seems like nothing's going to
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change unless it's talked about
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in a bigger way i'm as mad as
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hell and
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i'm not gonna take this anymore
11:49.970 --> 11:51.760
so that's why we're here part
11:51.760 --> 11:53.680
zero disproving kp rep for some
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reason
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people think i'm unqualified to
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do this or have false
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information about things that
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have happened in the past
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they're using to make a
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judgment on this case and that's
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concerning so let's go ahead
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and just prove
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some kp is bad stuff for
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example when this was trending
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on reddit i got comments like
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this and if
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that's still not enough for you
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listen to this and another
12:15.100 --> 12:16.710
aspect that i didn't really
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take into account
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until rather recently is that
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on top of all the work that the
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team members are having to do
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there's something to be
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said for all the work that goes
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into managing those team
12:28.250 --> 12:30.410
members i can't imagine it must
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be an easy job
12:31.740 --> 12:33.660
because you have to make sure
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that everyone is on the same
12:35.520 --> 12:37.460
page with everything all the
12:37.460 --> 12:38.460
time everyone's
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keeping up to date with
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progress and is generally
12:41.530 --> 12:43.520
handing things in on time all
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while trying to keep
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them happy and make them feel
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like they're in a positive
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working environment and at that
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point i
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said look i'm sorry i couldn't
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finish it but i need to get
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back to my other work and kp
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she let me go
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she didn't force me to stay she
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didn't say oh you have to keep
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working for me she said okay
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you can go
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maybe i'll contact you again
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later when you're not busy
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started a channel to spread her
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opinions and built a
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team around her i've seen her
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make mistakes take them to
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heart and return improved she
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is a leader
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so she must lead in the way she
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knows but she is always ready
13:21.600 --> 13:23.770
to listen to help and when she
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is unsure
13:24.780 --> 13:26.750
seek advice herself in the wake
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of all of this i had the
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privilege of meeting some of
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team kp to which
13:30.780 --> 13:32.810
my initial reaction was she
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still has a staff and it's true
13:34.960 --> 13:37.220
bunch of real sweethearts who
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in defiance of
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twitter reason common sense and
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probable human resource statutes
13:43.030 --> 13:45.430
actually still love i love kimpossible
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a lot
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a lot and take my word for it
13:47.350 --> 13:49.090
they were just as nonplussed
13:49.090 --> 13:50.930
about all this leaks business
13:50.930 --> 13:51.660
as anyone
13:52.460 --> 13:53.210
actually no don't take my word
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for it why don't go check out
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their page and get it from the
13:56.210 --> 13:56.700
various
13:56.700 --> 13:59.400
horses mouths yourself darling
13:59.400 --> 14:02.020
people a non-kp leak situation
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is as follows i do not regret
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making it
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because at the time i truly
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believed i was doing something
14:09.790 --> 14:12.030
for the better good michael
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this is illegal
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would you really think no one
14:15.280 --> 14:17.210
would check why do you work for
14:17.210 --> 14:18.630
itunes i guess never
14:18.630 --> 14:20.300
underestimate the power
14:20.300 --> 14:22.650
of too long didn't read can i
14:22.650 --> 14:25.100
get paid now rachel for those
14:25.100 --> 14:27.350
playing at home the tldr is
14:27.350 --> 14:30.140
that this is utter
14:30.140 --> 14:33.040
nonsense especially this bit
14:33.040 --> 14:35.810
but kp what about this she was
14:35.810 --> 14:38.690
exposed as a manipulator and a
14:38.690 --> 14:39.820
user uh
14:41.020 --> 14:42.500
somehow she managed to get an
14:42.500 --> 14:45.320
entire team of people to get to
14:45.320 --> 14:48.620
work on her projects only they
14:48.620 --> 14:49.500
didn't get any
14:49.500 --> 14:51.610
compensation for it god forbid
14:51.610 --> 14:53.150
people have hobbies i guess
14:53.150 --> 14:54.870
every reanimated is just an
14:54.870 --> 14:56.060
anti-capitalism
14:56.060 --> 14:58.380
abomination discussed at length
14:58.380 --> 15:00.380
here i remember watching the
15:00.380 --> 15:02.040
video that she posted on
15:02.040 --> 15:03.100
youtube a couple
15:03.100 --> 15:04.880
of years back it was a long
15:04.880 --> 15:06.920
drawn-up video about how she
15:06.920 --> 15:09.040
was almost cancelled from the
15:09.040 --> 15:10.380
community and how
15:10.380 --> 15:12.930
she was a victim of stalking
15:12.930 --> 15:15.490
and her struggles with ptsd
15:15.490 --> 15:18.340
which she brings up like every
15:18.340 --> 15:19.820
time she gets the
15:19.820 --> 15:21.790
opportunity like what shaming
15:21.790 --> 15:23.840
trauma victims probably wasn't
15:23.840 --> 15:25.420
your best move my guy just
15:25.420 --> 15:26.860
saying she probably
15:26.860 --> 15:28.730
felt that because the fandom
15:28.730 --> 15:30.350
had died down a bit nobody
15:30.350 --> 15:31.820
would go on the attack
15:32.940 --> 15:34.870
she also had like a twitter
15:34.870 --> 15:36.880
meltdown when she had to pay
15:36.880 --> 15:39.070
like for her own way into brony
15:39.070 --> 15:39.500
con
15:39.500 --> 15:41.900
i think i can't remember which
15:41.900 --> 15:44.420
convention because i didn't
15:44.420 --> 15:46.060
bother fact checking
15:46.060 --> 15:48.810
whereas other members of the brony
15:48.810 --> 15:51.560
lysis committee like silver quail
15:51.560 --> 15:52.780
got in for free
15:52.780 --> 15:54.980
really goes to show how much of
15:54.980 --> 15:57.590
a tight-knit group they all are
15:57.590 --> 15:59.340
when it comes to preaching
15:59.340 --> 16:01.860
about love and tolerance like
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peace that's not what happened
16:04.530 --> 16:08.300
i was frustrated that brony con
16:08.300 --> 16:08.540
changed
16:08.540 --> 16:10.070
their minds about my guest spot
16:10.070 --> 16:11.680
based on false information and
16:11.680 --> 16:13.100
they were informed it was false
16:13.100 --> 16:14.660
information from another
16:14.660 --> 16:16.300
convention head it's very
16:16.300 --> 16:18.410
victim blamey more details here
16:18.410 --> 16:19.820
which probably explains why
16:19.820 --> 16:22.290
why people don't see her much
16:22.290 --> 16:25.070
after that with other committee
16:25.070 --> 16:27.290
members all in all kp just
16:27.290 --> 16:28.780
strikes me as
16:28.780 --> 16:31.120
just another individual who
16:31.120 --> 16:33.060
constantly acts like a spoiled
16:33.060 --> 16:35.090
child who acts out when they
16:35.090 --> 16:35.980
can't get what
16:35.980 --> 16:37.610
they want this guy obviously
16:37.610 --> 16:39.220
doesn't know me because it's
16:39.220 --> 16:40.920
not really my character these
16:40.920 --> 16:42.540
types of individuals
16:42.540 --> 16:44.760
believe that everything should
16:44.760 --> 16:46.580
be like handed to them with
16:46.580 --> 16:48.540
little or no effort simply
16:48.540 --> 16:49.340
because they're
16:49.340 --> 16:51.250
recognized in a group or
16:51.250 --> 16:53.740
community i know it sounds like
16:53.740 --> 16:56.030
i'm saying like hashtag burn
16:56.030 --> 16:57.420
the witch but my
16:57.420 --> 16:59.370
actual point is she's just
16:59.370 --> 17:01.610
another example of what happens
17:01.610 --> 17:03.500
when you let internet or in
17:03.500 --> 17:05.020
this case horse fame
17:05.580 --> 17:06.940
go to your head why would we
17:06.940 --> 17:08.850
work so hard on dumb little
17:08.850 --> 17:10.950
horse videos if they weren't
17:10.950 --> 17:12.220
fun because art and
17:12.220 --> 17:14.240
media are definitely only made
17:14.240 --> 17:16.340
for attention more details here
17:16.340 --> 17:19.560
make me your horse god this is
17:19.560 --> 17:23.660
a confrontation
17:23.660 --> 17:24.940
between someone who was
17:24.940 --> 17:26.640
supposed to be helping the team
17:26.640 --> 17:28.300
but was actively leaking assets
17:28.300 --> 17:29.180
to the team and
17:29.180 --> 17:30.840
lying about it and then they
17:30.840 --> 17:32.590
were caught you can guess how
17:32.590 --> 17:34.380
this confrontation goes but
17:34.380 --> 17:35.740
ladies and gentlemen
17:35.740 --> 17:37.740
the day is aim-minded for more
17:37.740 --> 17:39.580
context zane the head of the
17:39.580 --> 17:41.340
team at the time is a pretty
17:41.340 --> 17:42.940
soft-spoken guy so
17:42.940 --> 17:44.510
this is the maddest i've ever
17:44.510 --> 17:52.130
seen him can do you mind if we
17:52.130 --> 17:54.420
take from here me and yeah
17:54.420 --> 17:55.020
because quite
17:55.020 --> 17:57.550
frankly what the messages were
17:57.550 --> 17:59.970
were betrayal to the team that
17:59.970 --> 18:03.010
you claim to represent i would
18:03.010 --> 18:03.820
say less
18:03.820 --> 18:05.540
so a betrayal to rachel still
18:05.540 --> 18:07.240
still a betrayal though but
18:07.240 --> 18:09.310
quite frankly i'm insulted by
18:09.310 --> 18:12.140
what you chose to do
18:13.100 --> 18:15.260
i you you you sat there you
18:15.260 --> 18:17.930
claimed to be representing the
18:17.930 --> 18:20.490
team you claimed to be wanting
18:20.490 --> 18:21.900
to improve the team
18:23.020 --> 18:25.520
and you sat there and you lied
18:25.520 --> 18:29.240
to our face okay now i'm lost
18:29.240 --> 18:31.910
for words and the fact that i
18:31.910 --> 18:33.100
gave what the
18:33.100 --> 18:35.210
the fuck made you think that
18:35.210 --> 18:37.660
that was okay like how did you
18:37.660 --> 18:41.310
think you were helping how what
18:41.310 --> 18:41.900
the
18:41.900 --> 18:43.480
fuck have you got to say to
18:43.480 --> 18:45.270
yourself and then even now i
18:45.270 --> 18:46.900
gave you the chance to come
18:46.900 --> 18:47.900
clean and say is
18:47.900 --> 18:50.300
there anything you want to say
18:50.300 --> 18:52.730
and you didn't say anything and
18:52.730 --> 18:54.930
you're you were denying it
18:54.930 --> 18:56.300
until i said
18:56.300 --> 18:58.480
i have access i see everything
18:58.480 --> 19:00.400
initially you can see that
19:00.400 --> 19:02.860
maybe your intentions were good
19:03.580 --> 19:04.670
but there's absolutely no
19:04.670 --> 19:06.590
denying the fact that by the
19:06.590 --> 19:08.550
end of that not even by the end
19:08.550 --> 19:08.940
of it
19:08.940 --> 19:10.570
halfway through at the very
19:10.570 --> 19:12.400
least there was no denying that
19:12.400 --> 19:14.230
that's my problem you claimed
19:14.230 --> 19:14.540
that
19:14.540 --> 19:16.760
you were doing this for us and
19:16.760 --> 19:18.910
yet you sat there and lied to
19:18.910 --> 19:20.780
us you lied to me you lied to
19:20.780 --> 19:21.500
every single
19:21.500 --> 19:23.530
person in that group we sat
19:23.530 --> 19:24.990
there and we said can we trust
19:24.990 --> 19:26.890
everyone in this group and you
19:26.890 --> 19:27.340
sat there
19:27.340 --> 19:30.060
and said yes you betrayed the
19:30.060 --> 19:32.480
team okay you betrayed me
19:32.480 --> 19:35.060
personally i'm taking that
19:35.060 --> 19:37.260
personally you sat there
19:37.260 --> 19:39.330
and you told them zane is about
19:39.330 --> 19:41.470
to upload that video and what
19:41.470 --> 19:43.210
did you hope to achieve it
19:43.210 --> 19:44.060
happened that i
19:44.060 --> 19:45.670
was preparing that video and
19:45.670 --> 19:46.880
that's when i told you by the
19:46.880 --> 19:48.550
way we're putting it back up we
19:48.550 --> 19:48.940
made that
19:48.940 --> 19:51.290
decision weeks ago we made that
19:51.290 --> 19:53.440
decision when we posted it in
19:53.440 --> 19:55.900
the radio play chat when people
19:55.900 --> 19:57.580
were set explained that we're
19:57.580 --> 19:59.190
not happy we said yes we have a
19:59.190 --> 20:00.870
video ready we'll upload it in
20:00.870 --> 20:01.660
a few weeks
20:01.660 --> 20:05.040
that's why that video was going
20:05.040 --> 20:07.940
up did you ask me no did you
20:07.940 --> 20:10.940
think that maybe maybe a bit
20:10.940 --> 20:12.460
more something
20:12.460 --> 20:15.030
better could come out of this
20:15.030 --> 20:17.650
if you talk to us okay nothing
20:17.650 --> 20:20.020
good came out of that group
20:20.020 --> 20:21.340
nothing group
20:21.340 --> 20:23.960
sorry that twitter nothing you
20:23.960 --> 20:26.330
know what good came out of this
20:26.330 --> 20:28.760
the skype group the group of
20:28.760 --> 20:29.740
people that
20:29.740 --> 20:31.900
sat down like grown men and
20:31.900 --> 20:33.900
wrote down their complaints
20:36.220 --> 20:37.690
nothing good from that skype
20:37.690 --> 20:39.080
chat do you want to know what
20:39.080 --> 20:40.600
everybody else on the team the
20:40.600 --> 20:41.100
only two
20:41.100 --> 20:42.980
people that have said anything
20:42.980 --> 20:44.390
bad to those to the end on
20:44.390 --> 20:46.090
twitter are the two people in
20:46.090 --> 20:47.100
that group not
20:47.100 --> 20:48.780
on the current team do you know
20:48.780 --> 20:50.540
what everybody else has said to
20:50.540 --> 20:51.980
that twitter they said
20:52.620 --> 20:54.730
off because you're not helping
20:54.730 --> 20:57.320
you are literally here to be
20:57.320 --> 20:59.900
malicious you're here to tease
21:00.700 --> 21:03.250
rachel you are here to nag at
21:03.250 --> 21:05.810
her there is no defending it
21:05.810 --> 21:08.490
that twitter is universally
21:08.490 --> 21:09.500
accepted
21:09.500 --> 21:11.780
not to have been a good thing
21:11.780 --> 21:13.710
the entire team while you were
21:13.710 --> 21:16.090
in that group was saying that
21:16.090 --> 21:17.100
these guys are
21:17.100 --> 21:19.580
dicks nobody on the team
21:19.580 --> 21:22.860
supported them and yet here you
21:22.860 --> 21:26.000
are claiming to represent the
21:26.000 --> 21:27.580
team and supporting
21:27.580 --> 21:29.440
them and lying to the rest of
21:29.440 --> 21:31.560
the team while you do it part
21:31.560 --> 21:33.450
one the original incident with
21:33.450 --> 21:33.980
chris
21:34.540 --> 21:35.890
something i also wasn't aware
21:35.890 --> 21:37.190
of is that will made a
21:37.190 --> 21:39.260
statement after his team member
21:39.260 --> 21:40.380
boggs you know the
21:40.380 --> 21:42.310
one who was harassing me was
21:42.310 --> 21:44.630
fired it doesn't mention me or
21:44.630 --> 21:46.360
that there was any victim or
21:46.360 --> 21:47.020
even what
21:47.020 --> 21:48.950
he did was bad will even calls
21:48.950 --> 21:50.980
him a great person so starting
21:50.980 --> 21:52.940
off on a real high note there
21:52.940 --> 21:53.980
he is no
21:53.980 --> 21:55.660
longer a member of da games uh
21:55.660 --> 21:57.340
he's still a very good friend
21:57.340 --> 21:59.030
of ours um like especially me
21:59.030 --> 21:59.900
like i will
21:59.900 --> 22:01.310
sometimes dm him will be on
22:01.310 --> 22:02.610
twitter the big tweeter
22:02.610 --> 22:04.120
sometimes but i'm not one for
22:04.120 --> 22:05.180
grudges i don't do
22:05.180 --> 22:07.230
that um so don't think this was
22:07.230 --> 22:09.220
out of any bad massive pace um
22:09.220 --> 22:11.100
just a lot of back-end stuff
22:11.100 --> 22:12.060
that kind of
22:12.060 --> 22:13.560
conflicted with our channel
22:13.560 --> 22:15.110
there's a lot of things that uh
22:15.110 --> 22:16.670
didn't meet our requirements
22:16.670 --> 22:16.940
the
22:16.940 --> 22:18.560
videos started getting worse
22:18.560 --> 22:19.960
and worse but it was more or
22:19.960 --> 22:21.560
less just i was pressuring him
22:21.560 --> 22:21.900
a lot
22:21.900 --> 22:23.200
there's a lot of things he had
22:23.200 --> 22:24.230
to do and there just wasn't
22:24.230 --> 22:25.550
enough taking time as to accept
22:25.550 --> 22:25.900
for the
22:25.900 --> 22:27.050
situation that we were going
22:27.050 --> 22:28.090
through come to mention it
22:28.090 --> 22:29.220
there was a lot of like things
22:29.220 --> 22:29.500
that
22:29.500 --> 22:31.000
maybe would have detrimented us
22:31.000 --> 22:32.150
in the long run if we would
22:32.150 --> 22:33.140
have kept this sort of
22:33.140 --> 22:34.540
conversation going
22:34.540 --> 22:35.860
and i don't want to bring in
22:35.860 --> 22:37.420
logistics because that's not a
22:37.420 --> 22:38.920
thing that should i don't want
22:38.920 --> 22:39.180
you
22:39.180 --> 22:41.110
hating the dude because he is a
22:41.110 --> 22:42.960
fantastic being he just did a
22:42.960 --> 22:44.870
lot of wrong things and we we're
22:44.870 --> 22:45.180
all
22:45.180 --> 22:46.860
learning from the niche yeah so
22:46.860 --> 22:48.260
i don't think there was any
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mistreatment or i can't really
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explain why chris would be so
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frustrated enough to do this so
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i brought my friend james who
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was on the
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team at the same time as chris
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to give some testimony hi i'm james
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i used to work for kpi and i
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was the
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head editor of our first team i
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worked for her for about two to
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three years and i was asked to
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give a
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statement on chris's work ethic
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on the team chris in particular
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was an extremely good editor
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usually
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doing stuff the rest of the
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team couldn't do but he was
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inconsistent with time i'm
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coming out about
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chris because in his recent
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statement chris claimed mistreatment
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by being on the team but as
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someone who
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was there it just seemed like
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he had unhealthy and
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alternative motivations and it
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was clear that he
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would often say more than he
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could deliver do you think
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maybe he's compensating for
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something in
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particular though he often said
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more unsavory things either
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just jokes to be funny or what
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usually felt more
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personal this was never a
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paying gig so it seemed that he
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was upset that it wasn't
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helping his career
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money or even romantic
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situation it usually felt like
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he would push himself to be
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really good and then
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fell flat like he had ulterior
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motives and scoffed at other
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editors for their work to make
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himself look
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better really honing in he was
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oddly fixated on if kp liked or
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approved his work bragging
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which again was
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inconsistent in my opinion he
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also seemed to have a crush on
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kp it seemed obvious to me if
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you know what
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i mean sometimes he antagonized
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another team member to get her
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attention and also downplayed
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it when
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talking with others it was odd
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that he would feel unappreciated
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when he was acting out of his
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own will to
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help though not fully joining
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the team he still committed to
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projects near when he left it
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would
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be a lot of she doesn't pay us
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because she's too greedy
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specifically saying anti-jewish
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semantics such
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as fucking jew will pay us or
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another she's cheap or she's
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the only one benefiting from
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this but the
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reality is no one ever got paid
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often in private conversations
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it would come up but he wouldn't
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be shy
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about bringing it up during
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group conversations and this is
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if he attended any meetings at
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all
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we were a little intimidated by
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his status to bring this up to
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kp at the time though chris
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ultimately
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left the team with almost no
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word his work ethic dropped
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dramatically over the months we
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were all
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there overall his experience
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was wanted helpful but
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inconsistent part 1.5 escalation
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to being unsafe with
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minors if this video was just
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about chris making up a gross
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story about me a while ago i
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can see the
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argument for why bring this up
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now but things end up extending
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to more actions that are
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questionable
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and make it seem like these
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people can't really be trusted
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around children we have a
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testimony of a
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minor who chris made
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uncomfortable by mentioning
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bestiality to here's that story
25:30.400 --> 25:31.580
she's chosen to be
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left anonymous for obvious
25:32.920 --> 25:34.330
reasons but more about that in
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the interview back in late 2018
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i was in a
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voice chat with chris will and
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one other person who i cannot
25:39.790 --> 25:41.400
remember they were another fan
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so it isn't
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very relevant as to who they
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were i was 14 at the time i do
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not remember how the
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conversation got to this
25:47.980 --> 25:49.470
point but at one point chris
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made a joke about me being into
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bestiality specifically using
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the term
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bestiality which i didn't
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understand at the time i simply
25:56.790 --> 25:58.710
responded being confused about
25:58.710 --> 25:59.420
the joke and
25:59.420 --> 26:01.150
chris seemed to find that funny
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my camera was on they were
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using a third party tool to
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have cameras with voice
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chats at the time and i had met
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will sometime before to voice
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chat in person they had to have
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known i was
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underage this by itself was not
26:12.770 --> 26:14.330
that awful simply weird but
26:14.330 --> 26:16.110
together with everything else
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that has
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happened and what these people
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have done i think it's
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important to share as it shows
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a pattern of
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people in and around da games
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creating an unsafe environment
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there is also an incident in wally
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con or
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sexual images of cartoon
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characters that are children
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and accidentally exposing that
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material
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to minors in chris's private
26:33.230 --> 26:35.420
server allegedly detest a bot lally
26:35.420 --> 26:37.200
con is already subjective in
26:37.200 --> 26:37.580
nature in
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the first place as people can
26:38.810 --> 26:40.060
make the argument that these
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are fictional characters and
26:41.400 --> 26:42.540
not real children
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but i don't think anyone will
26:43.770 --> 26:45.060
argue that maybe we shouldn't
26:45.060 --> 26:46.400
be letting children see sexual
26:46.400 --> 26:46.860
imagery
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the big problem with that
26:47.920 --> 26:49.300
besides the incident happening
26:49.300 --> 26:50.450
in the first place is that it
26:50.450 --> 26:51.420
was never officially
26:51.420 --> 26:53.750
addressed no apology no nothing
26:53.750 --> 26:55.770
but instead the threads were
26:55.770 --> 26:57.810
deleted sounds kind of sus to
26:57.810 --> 26:58.460
me oh
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it gets worse part two will ryan
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is a textbook pedo and probably
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very unstable person sorry yo
27:04.780 --> 27:05.100
if that
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all isn't a big deal then child
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grooming is bad right well no
27:09.300 --> 27:11.190
shit so enter player one in
27:11.190 --> 27:12.060
this case the
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youtube channel da games for
27:13.550 --> 27:15.170
those who aren't aware da games
27:15.170 --> 27:16.770
is a youtube channel that makes
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a variety of
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content including let's plays
27:19.330 --> 27:21.160
their own animation and fandom
27:21.160 --> 27:22.850
inspired music the four main
27:22.850 --> 27:23.420
current
27:23.420 --> 27:25.310
members of the channel are chris
27:25.310 --> 27:27.480
will ryan cosmic keyframe or chrissy
27:27.480 --> 27:29.340
and sean webby will himself is
27:29.340 --> 27:31.110
problematic for a bunch of
27:31.110 --> 27:33.220
reasons not limited to dating a
27:33.220 --> 27:35.960
minor in 2015 when he was 23
27:35.960 --> 27:37.180
and that's shady
27:37.180 --> 27:38.840
at best here are the screen
27:38.840 --> 27:40.590
caps these are great i guess
27:40.590 --> 27:42.400
you can be jerry seinfeld who
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dated a 17 year old when he was
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38.
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so uh what are you gonna do
27:47.740 --> 27:50.360
later i got a date with nikki
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oh yeah she's a beauty and she's
27:53.330 --> 27:56.460
also 17. bold and beautiful
27:59.900 --> 27:59.580
i'll tell you the big advantage
27:59.580 --> 28:02.140
of dating a high schooler
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if you're going out with
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someone your own age you can't
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take advantage of them
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i suppose oh come on that's a
28:11.870 --> 28:13.840
huge feature think about it she's
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so young she doesn't realize i'm
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a predator
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jerry yes i've been doing a lot
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of thinking uh-huh
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well i don't think we should
28:26.410 --> 28:29.220
see each other anymore oh that's
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okay
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what no it's fine no problem i'll
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meet somebody else sure there
28:36.350 --> 28:38.620
are plenty of high schools in
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new york city
28:41.180 --> 28:41.510
it's fine anyway it's been
28:41.510 --> 28:43.920
really nice grooming you for a
28:43.920 --> 28:45.820
while i'm gonna go scope out a
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chuck e cheese
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yeah you too she'll be coming
28:49.270 --> 28:51.860
round the mountain when she
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dating anyone 18 falls into a
28:53.810 --> 28:55.020
legally gray area
28:55.020 --> 28:56.460
depending on what state or
28:56.460 --> 28:57.830
country you're in but the
28:57.830 --> 28:59.510
general rule of thumb is anyone
28:59.510 --> 29:00.700
18 should not be
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dating anyone who's younger
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than 18. that's the internet
29:04.740 --> 29:06.900
lie i looked it up part 2.5 is
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grooming but
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the most problematic of all of
29:09.170 --> 29:10.290
this is miners straight up
29:10.290 --> 29:11.580
being groomed in their public
29:11.580 --> 29:11.980
spaces
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who you'll hear from in a
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second was 15 years old when
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someone around 19 years old
29:17.260 --> 29:18.700
started sending
29:18.700 --> 29:20.730
them self-harm pictures censored
29:20.730 --> 29:22.620
screenshots were on screen it's
29:22.620 --> 29:24.220
not a fun video i warned you
29:24.220 --> 29:25.340
was
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pressured to help this
29:26.380 --> 29:27.810
individual and manipulated to
29:27.810 --> 29:29.050
break up with their current
29:29.050 --> 29:29.980
partner at the time
29:29.980 --> 29:31.800
this escalated to nude photos
29:31.800 --> 29:33.580
and constant communication
29:33.580 --> 29:35.280
until sage a suicide attempt
29:35.280 --> 29:35.820
and blame
29:37.180 --> 29:38.040
then came back in fake memory
29:38.040 --> 29:39.790
loss until was blocked
29:39.790 --> 29:41.740
completely and how was it
29:41.740 --> 29:43.420
handled in the da games
29:43.420 --> 29:45.050
server contacted will about the
29:45.050 --> 29:46.490
situation who sympathized
29:46.490 --> 29:47.660
privately but didn't do
29:47.660 --> 29:48.220
anything
29:48.220 --> 29:49.700
publicly but like what's
29:49.700 --> 29:51.490
accountability for exposing
29:51.490 --> 29:53.190
miners to a predator and just
29:53.190 --> 29:54.540
left the space on his
29:54.540 --> 29:56.040
own eventually had to make his
29:56.040 --> 29:57.250
own twitter thread with
29:57.250 --> 29:58.510
screenshots to prove the
29:58.510 --> 29:59.420
account was true
29:59.420 --> 30:00.770
i mean come the fuck on the
30:00.770 --> 30:02.310
least you could have done was
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ban a pedophile the bare
30:03.590 --> 30:04.780
minimum what's that
30:04.780 --> 30:06.200
let me be queer this isn't only
30:06.200 --> 30:07.540
will's fault it's everyone
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involved in the company
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including the people
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i named before and i know rent
30:11.200 --> 30:12.550
is a thing but sacrificing
30:12.550 --> 30:13.830
putting children at risk
30:13.830 --> 30:15.020
because you don't want to
30:15.020 --> 30:16.520
publicly speak out about this
30:16.520 --> 30:17.910
behavior and threaten your
30:17.910 --> 30:19.590
livelihood and because you don't
30:19.590 --> 30:20.220
want to go to
30:20.220 --> 30:22.060
college is just shitty and
30:22.060 --> 30:23.990
selfish oh you are just the
30:23.990 --> 30:25.960
worst type of person next is
30:25.960 --> 30:27.500
and his friend pixel
30:27.500 --> 30:28.850
talking about problematic
30:28.850 --> 30:30.000
behavior in the da games
30:30.000 --> 30:31.510
community and the situation at
30:31.510 --> 30:32.940
large welcome to the no fun
30:32.940 --> 30:34.240
interview section i have two
30:34.240 --> 30:35.060
people with me who have
30:35.060 --> 30:35.960
previous personal or
30:35.960 --> 30:37.340
professional experiences with
30:37.340 --> 30:38.800
da games in the past and they
30:38.800 --> 30:40.380
made a document about it a year
30:40.380 --> 30:41.820
ago but i brought them on to
30:41.820 --> 30:42.540
share their
30:42.540 --> 30:44.280
personal stories in audio form
30:44.280 --> 30:45.860
so it's a bit easier to digest
30:45.860 --> 30:47.330
as well as to provide some
30:47.330 --> 30:48.300
context to these
30:48.300 --> 30:49.810
things and that these are real
30:49.810 --> 30:51.280
people i promise so why don't
30:51.280 --> 30:53.690
you guys introduce yourselves i'll
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go first
30:57.020 --> 30:59.780
i'm i was a fan since 2018
30:59.780 --> 31:02.020
until i came became friends
31:02.020 --> 31:04.210
with will one of the da games
31:04.210 --> 31:07.420
owners in i want to say
31:07.420 --> 31:10.940
2020 2021 i'm not sure um i was
31:10.940 --> 31:12.630
commissioned by him in late
31:12.630 --> 31:15.280
2022 to make a concert outfit
31:15.280 --> 31:16.940
but that's really all i got
31:17.740 --> 31:19.930
um well that's all i have when
31:19.930 --> 31:22.070
it comes to my relation to him
31:22.070 --> 31:24.460
we were friends but not really
31:25.180 --> 31:25.870
so you had a professional
31:25.870 --> 31:27.500
relationship with will yeah i
31:27.500 --> 31:29.400
was commissioned once but that's
31:29.400 --> 31:29.900
about it
31:30.940 --> 31:32.870
okay so pixel what's your
31:32.870 --> 31:34.900
background so i was a fan in
31:34.900 --> 31:38.320
2018 to 2023 and i was a fan
31:38.320 --> 31:39.820
artist in a server
31:39.820 --> 31:41.340
i did a lot of general fan art
31:41.340 --> 31:43.210
and general art interpretations
31:43.210 --> 31:44.940
of his stuff and i never worked
31:44.940 --> 31:46.340
with him like professionally
31:46.340 --> 31:47.510
but i was friends with him
31:47.510 --> 31:49.360
during 2023 and we dm'd pretty
31:49.360 --> 31:50.300
often for a couple
31:50.300 --> 31:52.050
months like we talked to vcs
31:52.050 --> 31:53.860
and stuff how did that start
31:53.860 --> 31:55.650
did he notice your fan art and
31:55.650 --> 31:56.700
start dming you
31:56.700 --> 31:58.230
or what it was kind of
31:58.230 --> 32:00.570
interesting he was friends
32:00.570 --> 32:02.460
first and other than a da game
32:02.460 --> 32:03.820
server there was
32:03.820 --> 32:05.890
another friend server that he
32:05.890 --> 32:07.720
was in and at some point the
32:07.720 --> 32:09.680
topic of me came up when he was
32:09.680 --> 32:10.380
dm and he
32:10.380 --> 32:11.760
noticed that i wasn't on his
32:11.760 --> 32:13.140
friends list and he was just
32:13.140 --> 32:14.810
kind of confused about that and
32:14.810 --> 32:15.420
so it was just
32:15.420 --> 32:16.590
kind of he thought we were
32:16.590 --> 32:17.870
friends already and so it was
32:17.870 --> 32:19.400
around early 2023 that i
32:19.400 --> 32:21.340
accepted his friend request
32:21.340 --> 32:22.960
and we started dming from there
32:22.960 --> 32:24.580
i think we officially started a
32:24.580 --> 32:26.380
conversation after an incident
32:26.380 --> 32:26.620
with his
32:26.620 --> 32:28.500
friend inu she was like harassing
32:28.500 --> 32:30.100
me for like two hours and i had
32:30.100 --> 32:31.920
that conversation with will i
32:31.920 --> 32:32.140
was
32:32.140 --> 32:33.580
like your friend is doing this
32:33.580 --> 32:34.960
and this is what happened and
32:34.960 --> 32:36.390
here's a conversation that we
32:36.390 --> 32:36.700
had
32:37.340 --> 32:38.700
and after that we just started
32:38.700 --> 32:40.810
having normal conversations so
32:40.810 --> 32:42.700
i guess will does this where
32:42.700 --> 32:44.520
he'll just take people from the
32:44.520 --> 32:46.470
fan server and try to build a
32:46.470 --> 32:48.780
personal connection yeah um so
32:48.780 --> 32:49.900
so there's
32:49.900 --> 32:51.550
actually this second server
32:51.550 --> 32:52.940
that a lot of his friends
32:52.940 --> 32:54.730
including like lala and inu are
32:54.730 --> 32:56.780
in um that
32:56.780 --> 32:58.810
sometimes just some people get
32:58.810 --> 33:01.010
invited to i guess okay i guess
33:01.010 --> 33:02.770
from what i'm getting at so far
33:02.770 --> 33:03.340
is there
33:03.340 --> 33:04.220
seems to be a lack of
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boundaries not that it's a bad
33:05.670 --> 33:07.060
thing to make friends with fans
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or anything but i
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feel like it's almost
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competitive if you have like a
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server of people he likes that
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are on the fan server yeah it's
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really weird
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weird yeah so what happened for
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me was i was friends with lala
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before um before i was invited
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to that server so
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So because I had a mutual
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friend with Will, me and Lala,
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I was invited there. It's
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officially Lala's server, but
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it mostly gets used for Will's
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stuff.
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What exactly is in the server?
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Is it just like personal jokes
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or a similar layout to the
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other server, but just kind of
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private?
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It's supposed to be a friend
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group server, but it's really
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centered around Will.
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Yeah, they had this rule where
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if you weren't active enough,
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you'll get kicked.
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And if you couldn't go to VCs,
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you would have to explain
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yourself like, oh, I couldn't
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join VC today because of X, Y,
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and Z.
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And generally from my
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experience, a lot of people had
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to cater to Will, like going
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back on joining the server in
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general.
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They used to let people in
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pretty generally, but then they
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just kind of restricted access.
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Like the only reason I got in
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there was because she actually
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invited me in there.
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A few times she actually gave
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out invites, but it's
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technically a friend server,
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but they have like not official
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events, but they do VC a lot.
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Sometimes for like days and
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they just generally expect you
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to be active a lot.
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So it seems to me like the
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whole point of the server is
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for Will to talk to people and
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get validation.
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Is that it?
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Yeah, definitely.
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I remember this one time that
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me and a friend who was in
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there were watching, I think it
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was Hellraiser 4.
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It was one of the worst Hellraiser
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movies.
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We were like cracking jokes and
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stuff.
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And like an hour in, Will
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joined and he got upset because
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we were talking over the movie
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when he didn't even choose to
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watch it.
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We did.
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Were there any minors in the
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server?
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Yes.
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Yeah, there were.
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I'm not going to say names, but
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I remember there being like
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several, at least.
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So I guess it's kind of
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questionable that he made a
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separate server to invite
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mostly fans of his main server,
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which I guess is the worst
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thing in the world, obviously.
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But it's things like the
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boundaries that are weird, the
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rules as far as VCing that are
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weird, and the fact that there
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are minors in there.
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Were there inappropriate jokes
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and stuff like that?
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Yeah, there used to be an NSFW
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chat even, and like people
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would just share their kinks in
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there and stuff.
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I remember this.
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It got deleted eventually, but
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it was weird.
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Like, the time I was in there,
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and the chat still existed, I
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was a minor at the time.
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I think.
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I don't remember exactly, I'm
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sorry, but.
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Yeah, it was really sexual and
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racist and stuff.
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Okay, not off to a good start.
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So that seems to be the running
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theme with DA games in general,
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that they're being
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inappropriate with minors.
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They make inappropriate or not
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safe for jokes in front of minors,
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and no one seems to be willing
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to do anything about it.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Like, sometimes they, like for
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forever now, I want to say,
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they refuse to even acknowledge
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that there are minors in their
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audience.
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Yeah, I remember that when the
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first version of Doc dropped,
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we were bringing up the point
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that he was trauma dumping to
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minors, and talking about
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things that younger kids
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shouldn't be hearing, and he
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relies a lot on his fanbase for
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personal support.
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There's an entire channel in
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that server dedicated to just
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giving him specifically support,
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and the entire movement server
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is dedicated by how he's
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feeling that day.
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And when we mentioned that in
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our document, like, hey, he's
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trauma dumping, he's talking
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about all these horrible things
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without a filter to these
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people.
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And people were giving the
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excuse, well, they're older
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teens, they're like this age.
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When in reality, the age range
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was like, was a lot broader
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than like 16, 17.
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They were 14 year olds, 13 year
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olds in there.
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The broader range is like from
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13 to early 20s in that server,
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and it's unfair to assume that
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just because it appears that
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people are older, that you
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should trauma dumps to these
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people.
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They did have an NSFW channel
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in that main server, but I wasn't
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around when it was a thing.
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And what year was this about?
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I'm not entirely sure.
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I remember being there when
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that channel got deleted.
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I think.
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When did you guys join the
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server?
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Um, I joined the server in May
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2018, and it was around then.
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I joined in December.
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I don't know how long it was
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around, like the server has
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existed since 2016, but it may
37:31.260 --> 37:32.920
have been around since the
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beginning, I'm not sure.
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But it was around 2018, that's
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for sure.
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And another thing I wanted to
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bring up is that the moderators
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do not go through formal
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training, from what I could
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tell.
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I was there, and he just picked
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someone, and he was like, oh,
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you should be a moderator now,
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you've been a friend for long
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enough.
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And like I said, he's hired
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minor moderators.
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The most recent one just turned
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18 last year.
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They graduated high school last
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year, and they were a moderator
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the entire time in the server
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from 2018 to 2023.
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And I'm 20 now, so they were
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younger than me that entire
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time.
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And as far as I'm aware, I
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heard they were recommended to
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someone.
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No, they got picked randomly.
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They got picked randomly.
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I remember this.
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Yeah, it was weird.
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They just got picked for no
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reason.
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And they even told me several
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times in DMs when they were a
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moderator, like, you should
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have been it, not me.
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Because, I don't know.
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They thought of them themselves
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as not being capable enough to
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be a moderator, but they still
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were anyway.
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Yeah, I can get the point of
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having moderators being
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subjective, but at the very
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least, they should not be minors.
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They should also know it's
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actual work, and should be okay
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with whatever work they get.
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Usually mods are like, hey,
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minor, don't go on the 18 plus
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chat.
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Or, have a question, we'll help
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you.
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Just just like that.
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Exactly.
38:51.880 --> 38:53.080
So was the minor activity in
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both servers the only thing
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that gave off red flags, or was
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there any other behavior?
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Oh, there was way more.
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I remember in the DMs community,
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there was a lot of predators,
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like, groomers and such.
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And they got exposed, like,
39:10.220 --> 39:11.700
monthly sometimes.
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Like, every other month there
39:12.990 --> 39:14.000
would be another one.
39:14.520 --> 39:15.120
And they would never get
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acknowledged by the team.
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And it was just horrible.
39:21.000 --> 39:22.560
Like, um, this is going to get
39:22.560 --> 39:24.130
very personal real quick, but
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at some point I was groomed by
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someone in there.
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And I exposed them, like, two
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years ago.
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Um, and I posted it in the
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server.
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Like, I made a Twitter thread.
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And I posted it in there.
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Well, I had my, I asked my,
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like, my friend to post it.
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Because I didn't want it to do
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it myself, because I was a
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public figure at the time in
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the DMs community.
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Um, and it got deleted.
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Like, instantly.
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Because it was just drama tarnishing
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the brand.
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And...
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So to summarize, it's not
39:57.300 --> 39:59.100
abnormal for predators to be
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attracted to online spaces that
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maybe make fandom content.
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But it's kind of scary when the
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mod team is burying it.
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One of them literally got
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arrested for having CP in their
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possession.
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Um, yeah, there's this one guy
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that got arrested for, like, 34
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accounts of child f***ing.
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Like, three years ago.
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And they never got acknowledged
40:18.700 --> 40:19.740
by the DM either.
40:20.180 --> 40:21.400
And he was pretty prominent in
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the server.
40:22.360 --> 40:23.620
He would make animations and...
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He was really popular.
40:25.740 --> 40:26.380
And he was kicked once that
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came out, at the very least,
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right?
40:29.140 --> 40:30.040
We don't know.
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We don't know.
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There's a prob...
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There's a probability he
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probably was.
40:34.880 --> 40:35.870
But they do have a thing where,
40:35.870 --> 40:37.340
like, if you suspect someone
40:37.340 --> 40:38.790
being weird, they will
40:38.790 --> 40:40.460
investigate and kick them.
40:40.700 --> 40:41.040
But...
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It's done very badly.
40:42.880 --> 40:44.080
It's done really badly.
40:44.260 --> 40:46.260
Like, from personal experience,
40:46.260 --> 40:47.180
it's so bad.
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Like, I tried to come forward
40:49.630 --> 40:51.400
about my rumor, like, way
40:51.400 --> 40:53.080
before I posted about it.
40:53.600 --> 40:54.560
And they were like, hey, do you
40:54.560 --> 40:55.440
have proof of this?
40:55.460 --> 40:56.720
And I was like, no, I deleted
40:56.720 --> 40:58.100
those chats because I don't
40:58.100 --> 40:59.020
want to see that s***.
40:59.800 --> 41:01.880
And they were like, okay, but
41:01.880 --> 41:04.000
you can get him back.
41:04.060 --> 41:05.200
And I was like, okay, how could
41:05.200 --> 41:06.060
it f***ing help me?
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Because I was panicking.
41:07.920 --> 41:09.810
And they were like, figure it
41:09.810 --> 41:10.940
out yourself.
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So, you're going to tell a
41:12.910 --> 41:14.750
child in a panic state to just
41:14.750 --> 41:16.250
figure it out themselves or
41:16.250 --> 41:17.540
else we're not.
41:17.540 --> 41:18.610
Or otherwise we're not going to
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do anything.
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It's really weird.
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Um, I don't know.
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I'm getting heated.
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I'm sorry.
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No, it's okay.
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It's just so f***ing dumb to me
41:27.430 --> 41:28.670
that they don't do the bare minors
41:28.670 --> 41:29.740
or just, like, don't have a
41:29.740 --> 41:31.140
server that's open to minors.
41:31.960 --> 41:33.060
It reminds me of last year when
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he was doing a set list for
41:34.660 --> 41:35.500
MomoCon.
41:36.220 --> 41:37.780
And he has these killer robots.
41:37.780 --> 41:38.810
And he was going to describe in
41:38.810 --> 41:39.960
detail how they kill people.
41:40.180 --> 41:41.160
And I was asking, like, well,
41:41.160 --> 41:42.190
shouldn't you put a content
41:42.190 --> 41:43.040
warning on there?
41:43.640 --> 41:44.880
Since most people are, like,
41:44.880 --> 41:46.720
coming for the DA game stuff.
41:47.600 --> 41:48.780
And he laughed at me.
41:48.820 --> 41:49.690
He was like, no, why should I
41:49.690 --> 41:50.120
do that?
41:50.160 --> 41:51.480
I have a song called Mr. Dirty
41:51.480 --> 41:52.320
Balls playing.
41:52.480 --> 41:53.570
People should know that we're
41:53.570 --> 41:54.820
not for kids because that song
41:54.820 --> 41:55.480
is playing.
41:56.100 --> 41:56.740
And learning the next day he
41:56.740 --> 41:57.970
had to add a content warning
41:57.970 --> 41:58.540
anyway.
41:58.680 --> 41:59.640
So I just kind of, like, threw
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up my hands.
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Like, okay, you had to add one
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anyway.
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So why were you throwing a fit
42:02.940 --> 42:03.480
about it?
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Yeah.
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He gets upset at, like, the
42:05.920 --> 42:07.460
smallest things ever.
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And it's so annoying.
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So it's really hard to, like,
42:10.470 --> 42:12.830
come forward about bigger stuff,
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too.
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Were any of the other team
42:15.280 --> 42:16.410
members supportive when you
42:16.410 --> 42:17.060
came forward?
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Because my understanding is
42:18.260 --> 42:19.400
that when you go to Will for
42:19.400 --> 42:20.560
stuff, he kind of brushes it
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off.
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Well, he either brushes it off
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or he sends HR.
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The person that's currently HR
42:29.690 --> 42:32.890
usually will just go into your
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DMs and be like,
42:34.900 --> 42:37.260
Yo, don't bring negative stuff
42:37.260 --> 42:38.120
to Will.
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He cannot handle it right now.
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And he never handles it.
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So it's frustrating as hell.
42:45.020 --> 42:46.580
And they just made them HR this
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year.
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Is the HR person a public
42:48.640 --> 42:49.280
figure?
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Not anymore.
42:51.600 --> 42:52.680
They did have a Twitter account.
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But one of the gripes I have is
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that as an HR person, they live
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with him.
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They're friends with everyone
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in there.
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So when it comes to certain
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situations like yours,
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technically they should not be
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handling that because they are
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not a mutual third party.
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Does she have, like, a social
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presence?
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Like, is she known for being
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friends with Will?
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Yes.
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To some degree.
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Like, if to some degree she is
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public, when, like, when you go
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into DMs livestream, she will
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be there as a moderator.
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Things such as, like that.
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It seems like the running theme
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is Will can't handle whatever
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the conflict is because he can't
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address it.
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Okay.
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So let's talk about some
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troublesome behavior you saw
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from Will.
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I know he dated a minor in 2015
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and there was a lot of N slurs
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and a lot of anti-Semitic slurs.
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Great stuff.
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Do you have any antidotes or
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things to share on top of that?
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Just recently someone did some
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more digging when they found
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out on a livestream clip that
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was looking at some site called,
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like, youngp***** or youngpeoplep*****.com
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and they did some more digging
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on their waypack machine.
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What drove you to make this
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document?
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Was it the predator thing?
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Like, what was the straw that
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broke the camel's back and you
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just were like, f**k it, we
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need to write all this stuff
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down?
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I think it was just generally,
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we were frustrated about a lot
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of things.
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We talked to each other and
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then we found out about the NSFW
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stuff.
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And we decided, nope, this
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needs to get out there.
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That's pretty much how it went.
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We stumbled across it as well.
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We were literally just messing
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around and that's when we found
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it and thought, well, this
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doesn't look right.
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And we did some digging and we
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were like, this isn't right at
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all.
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So you went back through Will's
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history and saw the anti-semitism
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and, um, there's one point
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where he justifies using the N-word
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as a white person.
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And I thought that was really
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sad.
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So what was the response when
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he released the first version
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of the document?
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Well, the first version came
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out, like, really weird.
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Like, we tried to get, like,
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fans to see it.
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So we made a fan account and
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then, like, turned it into the
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release account.
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It was stupid.
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Um, that one went really bad.
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And, like, you can say more
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about that.
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Like, it affected you mostly.
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Yeah, it just went really badly.
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We were still fans at that
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point.
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And we were just, like, really
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heartbroken.
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So the doc was very emotionally
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charged.
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And it had, and it just had
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stuff in it, in there that didn't
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really need to be in there.
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And then also after he came out
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trending on Twitter, like, two
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mods, one of them was this HR
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person, came to me and they put
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me in, like, a group chat and
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they told me, you have to fix
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this.
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And I'm like, I'm in a college
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class.
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I can't fix this right now.
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But I still had to do this
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anyway.
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And after a couple more
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screenshots came out, the HR
45:33.560 --> 45:34.660
person was like, is there
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anything else that's going on?
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Because if there is, I'm one
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step away from flipping
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switches and learning lives.
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And I was really scared at that
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point.
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And shit rightfully kicked me
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from the friend group because I
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was so scared of what was going
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to happen to them.
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I just ended up throwing the
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runner at the bus because I was
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so scared and under pressure.
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Like, we changed the password
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for the Twitter account and
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everything because we could not
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have this go south.
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Yeah, and when the second
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document came out, I reached
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out to f*** again.
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And I was basically confirmed
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that that was what happened.
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And I put out my secondary
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statement on Twitter because
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the initial apology, well, the
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quote-unquote apology, that I
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made the first time, it went
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through those two people.
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And it was heavily sanitized.
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They wanted me to say he
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apologized in B.C., he did this,
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he did that.
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And I was supposedly there to
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witness when he did those
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things.
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And as a result, people started
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disregarding everything as fake.
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And so I wanted to make that
46:29.240 --> 46:30.790
secondary statement to explain
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that nothing was fake.
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And I was frustrated into
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writing something I didn't
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really believe in.
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And then later, those two
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people would come forward in
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private and apologize to me for
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doing that.
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So let me get this straight,
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guys.
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So two official DA games
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ambassadors, mods, whatever you
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want to call them, basically
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tried to legally threaten you
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to formally apologize or else,
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waggy finger.
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Is that basically what happened?
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Pretty much.
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This H4 person, she's worried
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about being a former Kiwi
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farmer and, like, digging stuff
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up about people.
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So I knew she had a capacity to
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do those types of things.
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Those people on those sites do.
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And I don't want that to happen
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to me.
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I don't want that to happen to
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f*** me and the other people
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who were working there.
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Yeah, I was especially scared.
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I was especially scared because
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they will commission me.
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Like, what if they save the
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packaging?
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I send his outfit in and have
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my address.
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Like, I was scared as f***.
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So I logged you out because I
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could not have what happened to
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me.
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Yeah, that's fair.
47:26.820 --> 47:27.720
So what happened after you
47:27.720 --> 47:28.720
released the second doc?
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Did anyone come after you or
47:29.870 --> 47:31.180
try to have you reprimanded?
47:31.600 --> 47:32.580
There was this...
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It was really weird.
47:33.940 --> 47:35.540
Like, this time it went okay.
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Like, we posted it on, like,
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the Reddit and stuff.
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And it actually...
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That's a reaction.
47:41.280 --> 47:42.020
It was really cool.
47:42.680 --> 47:44.450
But there was also this one
47:44.450 --> 47:46.190
person that either was the HR
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person or someone pretending to
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be HR person.
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We still haven't figured that
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out.
47:51.020 --> 47:52.600
Chris, well, the HR person has
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a habit of stalking me,
47:53.830 --> 47:54.880
specifically.
47:55.600 --> 47:57.000
And they threatened to...
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They acted like they were going
47:58.440 --> 47:59.040
to sue me.
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Yeah, I remember that.
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It was just horrible.
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Another thing is the second doc,
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it just kind of inspired
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someone to go through the
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server logs.
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And they found that people like
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Chris were going through and
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deleting all the racist stuff
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that they said.
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And they found videos.
48:12.700 --> 48:13.500
And they made, like, a whole
48:13.500 --> 48:14.820
archive just going back.
48:15.240 --> 48:16.140
That they were, like, just
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going back and deleting things.
48:18.340 --> 48:19.260
So Chris got caught being
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racist and sexist just in
48:20.720 --> 48:21.440
general?
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Yeah, pretty much.
48:23.120 --> 48:24.220
So before I move on to the last
48:24.220 --> 48:25.720
question, can you guys give
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some context, as much as you
48:27.080 --> 48:28.270
can, from the anonymous Chris
48:28.270 --> 48:29.330
story that you interviewed the
48:29.330 --> 48:29.880
victim for?
48:30.400 --> 48:31.350
So that's actually my best
48:31.350 --> 48:33.090
friend, who told an anonymous
48:33.090 --> 48:33.680
story.
48:34.500 --> 48:35.280
So this had to do with her
48:35.280 --> 48:37.330
username, which had the word
48:37.330 --> 48:39.780
animal in it, and then her name.
48:40.820 --> 48:42.840
And, um, so it actually came
48:42.840 --> 48:43.780
from that.
48:45.440 --> 48:47.100
Like, it was weird.
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Why did they say that?
48:49.040 --> 48:49.960
Why did they think it was
48:49.960 --> 48:51.700
appropriate to say that to a 14-year-old
48:51.700 --> 48:52.780
they knew was 14?
48:53.660 --> 48:54.310
What took me off guard is that
48:54.310 --> 48:55.950
the 14-year-olds had met Will
48:55.950 --> 48:56.500
before.
48:56.620 --> 48:57.420
Was that at a convention?
48:58.260 --> 48:59.580
Yes, it was at a convention.
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Okay, okay, cool.
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At least that's purple.
49:01.340 --> 49:03.400
They were also pretty prominent
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as a person in the community.
49:05.900 --> 49:07.560
So it would be weird if they
49:07.560 --> 49:09.480
didn't know how old she was.
49:09.660 --> 49:10.500
Is she still prominent?
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No, she got banned.
49:14.160 --> 49:15.930
And now she fucking hates their
49:15.930 --> 49:17.120
guts, so...
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So the whole team has a
49:18.060 --> 49:19.440
controlling presence with their
49:19.440 --> 49:20.670
fan base and on social media,
49:20.670 --> 49:21.100
right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, pretty much.
49:23.560 --> 49:24.630
So my last question is, unless
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you guys wanted to add anything
49:26.050 --> 49:27.190
else as far as any general
49:27.190 --> 49:28.230
stories or experiences or
49:28.230 --> 49:28.700
anything.
49:29.740 --> 49:31.150
So as I mentioned before, I was
49:31.150 --> 49:32.240
a fan artist, and at the
49:32.240 --> 49:33.700
beginning of Iris, I would make
49:33.700 --> 49:35.420
interpretations of characters.
49:36.120 --> 49:37.370
And Will would go on the chat
49:37.370 --> 49:38.100
and say,
49:38.480 --> 49:39.410
These interpretations give me
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anxiety because now I'm scared
49:40.710 --> 49:41.960
they're not going to be able to
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live up to these expectations.
49:44.020 --> 49:44.680
Let me backtrack.
49:44.820 --> 49:45.320
What is Iris?
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Is that a song they've done?
49:46.740 --> 49:47.730
I'm not familiar with their
49:47.730 --> 49:48.640
content, really.
49:48.660 --> 49:49.800
It's one of his IPs.
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Yeah, it's an original story.
49:51.620 --> 49:53.700
Yeah, it's a dystopia thing.
49:54.460 --> 49:55.980
There's a lot of characters,
49:55.980 --> 49:57.240
but not a lot of designs.
49:58.060 --> 49:59.410
So what a lot of people like
49:59.410 --> 50:01.240
myself did was like,
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Let's make a design on this
50:02.610 --> 50:04.120
character based on this very
50:04.120 --> 50:06.000
vague description that he had.
50:06.540 --> 50:07.230
And people would also make
50:07.230 --> 50:08.630
covers of songs too, and he'd
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get high amounts of anxiety
50:09.930 --> 50:10.520
over it.
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And in some cases, he'd call it
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defacing.
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I got caught out for the way I
50:14.760 --> 50:16.280
drew on the just killer robots.
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Because he was like,
50:17.440 --> 50:18.710
Well, now you made my design
50:18.710 --> 50:19.930
look like horseshit, even
50:19.930 --> 50:21.070
though I heard no one else
50:21.070 --> 50:22.550
complaining about his design or
50:22.550 --> 50:23.700
anything like that.
50:24.200 --> 50:25.080
And then on top of that, a
50:25.080 --> 50:26.180
bunch of other artists started
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apologizing.
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Like, yeah, we're so sorry.
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We didn't know.
50:29.380 --> 50:31.100
A strawing, this stuff upset
50:31.100 --> 50:31.980
you so much.
50:32.320 --> 50:33.370
And you never said anything
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until now.
50:35.100 --> 50:35.450
And he made it a rule in the
50:35.450 --> 50:36.990
server for a while that you
50:36.990 --> 50:39.000
couldn't post interpretations.
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Or you couldn't post covers
50:40.720 --> 50:42.660
with more than one instrument
50:42.660 --> 50:44.620
or more than one vocal track.
50:45.120 --> 50:46.140
And he just now changed that
50:46.140 --> 50:46.640
rule.
50:46.880 --> 50:47.890
I heard from someone that's
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still in there that he just
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changed the rule back to where
50:50.450 --> 50:51.700
it was before, so you can do
50:51.700 --> 50:52.480
that again.
50:53.940 --> 50:54.550
He's like, yeah, I'm not going
50:54.550 --> 50:55.190
to get over that because that's
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the stupidest fucking thing.
50:56.100 --> 50:57.080
He should be happy that people
50:57.080 --> 50:58.210
are making fan art because they
50:58.210 --> 50:59.000
enjoy the thing.
50:59.360 --> 51:00.370
It's like he's punishing his
51:00.370 --> 51:00.820
fans.
51:01.460 --> 51:02.580
Yeah, even on Twitter, someone
51:02.580 --> 51:03.860
was asking about it.
51:03.900 --> 51:05.090
He's like, well, I'll go
51:05.090 --> 51:06.180
forward in making more
51:06.180 --> 51:07.720
character designs when I'm sure
51:07.720 --> 51:09.050
that they won't be tampered
51:09.050 --> 51:09.580
with.
51:09.660 --> 51:10.830
And just a lot of extreme words
51:10.830 --> 51:12.240
for stuff that wasn't extreme.
51:12.940 --> 51:13.990
Being a young artist at the
51:13.990 --> 51:14.980
time, I was 16.
51:15.520 --> 51:17.120
And that was devastating to me.
51:17.840 --> 51:18.330
And when I was telling him, you
51:18.330 --> 51:19.500
know, it was really hurt when
51:19.500 --> 51:20.220
you said that.
51:20.260 --> 51:21.090
He was like, well, don't have a
51:21.090 --> 51:21.340
cow.
51:21.400 --> 51:22.200
It's not that bad.
51:22.660 --> 51:23.560
Without really acknowledging
51:23.560 --> 51:24.720
how I felt or how any of these
51:24.720 --> 51:26.220
other people felt about that.
51:26.280 --> 51:27.640
That's a problem he generally
51:27.640 --> 51:28.020
has.
51:28.100 --> 51:29.720
Like when someone comes forward
51:29.720 --> 51:31.230
to him about how he hurt their
51:31.230 --> 51:32.000
feelings.
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It's like, yeah, but it's not
51:33.600 --> 51:34.280
that bad.
51:34.280 --> 51:37.400
Like, bro, you hurt someone.
51:37.620 --> 51:38.660
It's not cool, man.
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Oh, it's so dumb.
51:40.460 --> 51:41.060
It's so dumb.
51:41.180 --> 51:42.130
I mean, the predator shit and
51:42.130 --> 51:43.140
the child porn is probably the
51:43.140 --> 51:43.740
worst of it.
51:44.140 --> 51:44.920
Okay, to recap.
51:45.180 --> 51:46.130
So I was going to say it sounds
51:46.130 --> 51:47.370
like it's pretty bad between
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the allowing predators to be in
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their spaces
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and not really doing anything
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about it or threatening people
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who make fan art
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or Will dating a minor and Will
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looking up child porn.
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I remember seeing that because
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I thought that was the worst
51:58.370 --> 51:59.500
thing Will specifically had
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done.
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And then Chris just had the
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behavior of being sexist and
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racist too
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and gross with minors.
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So what would you guys like to
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gain from coming forward on a
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bigger platform and speaking
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about your stories?
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So my original goal would be
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like acknowledgement of this
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stuff happening.
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But like, I don't think that's
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going to happen.
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Like ever being realistic.
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I don't know exactly what I
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want anymore.
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Like, I just want this stuff
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out there.
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I guess.
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That's all I can do.
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What I personally think is Will
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needs to take a break from the
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internet
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because this sounds really
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unhealthy from a third party
52:34.410 --> 52:35.040
perspective.
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I'm just going to sound...
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This is going to sound really
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mean, but I don't think he's
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capable of taking a break from
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the internet.
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I mean, he went on a camping
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trip for his family and he was
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on his phone and was in voice
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calls the entire time.
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So even then, when he was
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supposed to be out in nature,
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he wasn't taking a break.
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There was multiple times he
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said he'd leave Twitter and
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then he never did.
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I believe someone caught him
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lurking because he was
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pretending to be off of Twitter.
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But then like, he retweeted
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something and then quickly unretweeted
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it.
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He's on Instagram mostly now.
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And even now he's pretending to
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like, be offline on Discord.
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Something I've noticed too is
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that people who enable him are
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dependent on him.
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Like the HR person who's a
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roommate of his and is
53:15.740 --> 53:17.010
dependent on the channel's
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income in order to live.
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Yeah, exactly.
53:19.420 --> 53:21.100
Like the HR person lives with
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him and doesn't have a job
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outside of HR for DA games.
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I think we don't know because
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they're not a public figure.
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We don't have any connection to
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them anymore.
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But I think the only thing they
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do in their life is sit in Will's
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house and send out angry emails
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to us.
53:38.920 --> 53:39.950
This is what the kids call an
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allegation.
53:40.960 --> 53:42.080
Something we don't know if it's
53:42.080 --> 53:43.130
true, but it's based on a
53:43.130 --> 53:44.260
theory and evidence.
53:44.520 --> 53:56.430
Sounds like a healthy work
53:56.430 --> 54:04.020
environment.
54:04.020 --> 54:05.040
So the only time they
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acknowledge anything wrong is
54:06.620 --> 54:07.950
when I retweeted one of the
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emails a couple of weeks before
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this recording.
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And they were like, Chris is
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taking a break.
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Chris is taking hiatus.
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Which I think means we're going
54:16.060 --> 54:17.290
to wait until this blows over
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because we're not going to show
54:18.610 --> 54:19.830
you any proof that Chris went
54:19.830 --> 54:20.860
to any HR training.
54:21.460 --> 54:22.210
I'm going to go out on a limb
54:22.210 --> 54:23.650
and allege that he did not go
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through any training.
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Like I said, the HR person only
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made HR, was only made HR this
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year.
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DA is only for people.
54:32.260 --> 54:34.000
Even emailing and doing NDA was
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against the ACAS guidelines.
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So I don't know what training
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he would have done if there was
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any.
54:40.640 --> 54:43.000
I think we had a timeline down.
54:43.760 --> 54:44.500
Like a day or so after your
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tweet came out, he left Twitter
54:46.440 --> 54:47.540
the day after.
54:48.100 --> 54:48.670
He was streaming the night
54:48.670 --> 54:49.530
after and a day or two
54:49.530 --> 54:50.900
afterwards, he was saying I got
54:50.900 --> 54:51.520
trained.
54:52.020 --> 54:52.890
Like at what point during that
54:52.890 --> 54:54.210
timeline would he be getting
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trained?
54:56.560 --> 54:57.710
Yeah, and keep in mind for
54:57.710 --> 54:59.150
those who don't remember, I had
54:59.150 --> 55:00.620
the original conversation with
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HR a year ago.
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And I was feeling antsy because
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I wanted to make a video for a
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while and we were waiting for
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the right time.
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And then this blew up and I'm
55:07.500 --> 55:08.710
like, this would have been
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great a year ago.
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But ideally, it doesn't sound
55:11.080 --> 55:12.240
like the team is even safe to
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make content because of their
55:13.470 --> 55:14.820
influence around others.
55:15.660 --> 55:17.040
Like Will himself dated a 17
55:17.040 --> 55:19.320
year old when how old was Will?
55:19.820 --> 55:21.140
22 to 23.
55:22.360 --> 55:22.900
Ugh, great.
55:23.180 --> 55:24.350
So when you date a 17 year old,
55:24.350 --> 55:25.750
regardless of when it happened,
55:25.750 --> 55:26.920
you should know better.
55:27.420 --> 55:28.270
Like Chris telling the story,
55:28.270 --> 55:29.650
regardless of when it happened,
55:29.650 --> 55:30.800
he should know better.
55:31.020 --> 55:32.010
So I guess we'll hope for the
55:32.010 --> 55:32.440
best.
55:33.060 --> 55:33.670
I think at the very least, if
55:33.670 --> 55:35.060
there's going to be any changes,
55:35.060 --> 55:36.220
they have to show proof and a
55:36.220 --> 55:37.460
plan or else no one's going to
55:37.460 --> 55:38.660
believe them at this point, I
55:38.660 --> 55:39.260
think.
55:39.680 --> 55:40.890
A public apology is probably a
55:40.890 --> 55:41.700
good start.
55:42.760 --> 55:45.240
Yeah, that's like the big thing.
55:45.240 --> 55:47.540
Like, you would think that
55:47.540 --> 55:50.120
nobody would believe what DA
55:50.120 --> 55:51.620
are saying, but...
55:51.620 --> 55:52.980
They do.
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And it's weird.
55:54.900 --> 55:55.770
Like, even when you show proof,
55:55.770 --> 55:57.400
they're like, no, it's fake.
55:57.480 --> 55:57.800
It's fake.
55:57.840 --> 55:58.460
You're just haters.
55:59.160 --> 56:01.660
Like, their fan base is very...
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Yeah, their...
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Yeah, their fan base is like
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very...
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Um...
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They just really want to
56:07.400 --> 56:08.420
believe that they're good
56:08.420 --> 56:10.560
people when they're not because...
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Who knows why, actually.
56:13.960 --> 56:14.670
It's because he built up a
56:14.670 --> 56:16.430
parasocial relationship with
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them.
56:17.040 --> 56:17.400
True.
56:18.460 --> 56:18.740
True.
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Even with the lolly thing, when
56:20.280 --> 56:21.850
we told people about that, they
56:21.850 --> 56:23.580
were still like, well...
56:23.580 --> 56:24.680
Actually, he was using it to
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test a bot.
56:25.300 --> 56:26.260
And I'm like, well, why is it
56:26.260 --> 56:26.920
still there?
56:27.640 --> 56:29.130
And it wasn't even in the same
56:29.130 --> 56:30.040
server.
56:30.420 --> 56:31.420
Again, the fans have a very
56:31.420 --> 56:32.940
parasocial relationship.
56:33.700 --> 56:35.770
You have this mature 20-something-year-old
56:35.770 --> 56:37.420
telling you all his deepest
56:37.420 --> 56:38.680
secrets and stuff.
56:39.240 --> 56:40.470
And all his childhood traumas
56:40.470 --> 56:42.060
and you feel closer to him.
56:42.660 --> 56:43.680
And on top of that, you have
56:43.680 --> 56:44.700
this whole Discord channel
56:44.700 --> 56:45.770
dedicated to just giving him
56:45.770 --> 56:46.300
support.
56:46.460 --> 56:47.500
You're encouraged to look at
56:47.500 --> 56:48.610
his Discord status and see
56:48.610 --> 56:49.580
which state he's in.
56:50.240 --> 56:50.830
When I was younger, he'd even
56:50.830 --> 56:51.500
pull...
56:52.000 --> 56:53.260
He'd even go as far as to, like,
56:53.260 --> 56:55.130
delete his Twitter account and,
56:55.130 --> 56:56.780
like, threaten to delete the
56:56.780 --> 56:58.550
YouTube account because he was
56:58.550 --> 56:59.520
feeling bad.
57:00.060 --> 57:00.790
And when you're put through
57:00.790 --> 57:02.050
that over and over again, you
57:02.050 --> 57:03.080
want to feel close.
57:03.140 --> 57:03.930
You want to feel like, this
57:03.930 --> 57:04.700
person can't be bad.
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I did all this for him.
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I went through all this for him.
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And I'm just sorry.
57:09.560 --> 57:10.950
I'm getting really a bit heated
57:10.950 --> 57:12.490
here because, again, I went
57:12.490 --> 57:13.760
through all of that.
57:13.820 --> 57:14.640
And it's such an emotional,
57:14.640 --> 57:15.740
draining thing to go through.
57:15.880 --> 57:16.870
It's like, no, you shouldn't be
57:16.870 --> 57:18.460
doing this to 13-18-year-olds.
57:18.900 --> 57:19.570
You shouldn't be telling them
57:19.570 --> 57:20.360
all these things.
57:20.480 --> 57:21.550
Like, I'm going to delete my
57:21.550 --> 57:22.890
YouTube channel where, you know,
57:22.890 --> 57:23.950
when I was bullied, I got my
57:23.950 --> 57:24.820
head bashed in.
57:25.500 --> 57:26.140
Yeah, exactly.
57:26.660 --> 57:27.620
Like, the worst example I
57:27.620 --> 57:29.350
remember is, I think, that he
57:29.350 --> 57:31.110
said in his Discord server that
57:31.110 --> 57:32.700
he was going to kill himself
57:32.700 --> 57:34.020
because his fans were so
57:34.020 --> 57:35.420
fucking annoying.
57:36.160 --> 57:37.260
I don't have proof of this,
57:37.260 --> 57:37.960
sadly.
57:38.400 --> 57:39.520
I remember seeing it.
57:39.520 --> 57:41.180
He posted a suicide note on
57:41.180 --> 57:41.980
Twitter.
57:42.100 --> 57:43.040
Right, several times.
57:43.420 --> 57:44.250
And then Chloe had to come out
57:44.250 --> 57:45.820
saying, no, guys, he's fine.
57:45.920 --> 57:47.690
And then he just, like, he
57:47.690 --> 57:49.260
never deleted it afterwards.
57:49.740 --> 57:50.760
And he didn't kill himself.
57:50.840 --> 57:51.360
He's okay.
57:51.940 --> 57:53.660
He posted several times, like,
57:53.660 --> 57:54.860
while he was in a hospital as
57:54.860 --> 57:55.360
well.
57:56.040 --> 57:57.480
Yeah, I remember this happening
57:57.480 --> 57:58.980
when I just was a fan.
57:59.140 --> 58:01.930
Like, when I, like, 2018, 2019,
58:01.930 --> 58:03.500
this was happening a lot.
58:04.420 --> 58:05.250
And, like, I felt super close
58:05.250 --> 58:06.810
to him when I literally just
58:06.810 --> 58:09.080
knew him for, like, four months.
58:09.960 --> 58:10.620
It was weird.
58:10.720 --> 58:11.920
Like, I felt this super close
58:11.920 --> 58:12.880
connection to him.
58:13.000 --> 58:14.380
And now I understand why.
58:14.380 --> 58:16.300
And it's so fucking awful.
58:17.100 --> 58:17.680
On that note, do you guys have
58:17.680 --> 58:19.090
any advice for people that are
58:19.090 --> 58:20.420
kind of in similar shoes that
58:20.420 --> 58:20.920
you were
58:20.920 --> 58:21.920
when you were finding all this
58:21.920 --> 58:22.380
stuff out?
58:23.060 --> 58:23.940
Talk to people.
58:25.140 --> 58:26.040
Talk to people.
58:26.180 --> 58:27.220
Like, you're not alone going
58:27.220 --> 58:27.960
through this.
58:28.080 --> 58:29.400
Like, please talk to people.
58:29.920 --> 58:31.460
Even people that are still fans.
58:31.600 --> 58:32.540
Like, talk to them.
58:33.360 --> 58:35.150
And it's okay if you don't feel
58:35.150 --> 58:37.620
okay going through this.
58:37.640 --> 58:38.880
Because it's fucking hard.
58:39.380 --> 58:40.760
Having to sever a connection
58:40.760 --> 58:41.880
that feels so close and
58:41.880 --> 58:42.560
personal.
58:43.040 --> 58:44.940
Who is someone who turns out to
58:44.940 --> 58:46.600
be a terrible person.
58:46.720 --> 58:48.380
Like, it's okay to feel bad.
58:48.480 --> 58:49.810
It's okay to feel sad for the
58:49.810 --> 58:50.860
things you lose.
58:52.040 --> 58:53.220
Um, it's okay.
58:53.900 --> 58:55.120
Like, you're gonna be fine.
58:55.460 --> 58:56.220
Talk to people.
58:56.980 --> 58:58.260
Yeah, I agree that wholeheartedly.
58:58.380 --> 58:59.460
Like, just talk to people.
58:59.860 --> 59:01.100
One of the driver factors that
59:01.100 --> 59:02.620
led me to become friends with
59:02.620 --> 59:04.220
**** again is that I talked to
59:04.220 --> 59:05.610
someone about everything that
59:05.610 --> 59:06.220
happened.
59:06.540 --> 59:07.480
And I suggest just to talk to
59:07.480 --> 59:08.790
people who are outside of the
59:08.790 --> 59:09.380
server.
59:10.040 --> 59:10.940
Go to different servers.
59:11.220 --> 59:11.880
And just know that this is
59:11.880 --> 59:12.380
nothing.
59:12.780 --> 59:13.730
This is not how things are
59:13.730 --> 59:14.740
supposed to be.
59:15.440 --> 59:16.100
Like, I talked to a friend who
59:16.100 --> 59:17.310
had nothing to do with DA or
59:17.310 --> 59:18.000
anything.
59:18.140 --> 59:19.180
And they were like, that's not
59:19.180 --> 59:19.600
normal.
59:20.080 --> 59:21.070
That's not something that
59:21.070 --> 59:22.270
should be happening on a
59:22.270 --> 59:23.300
regular basis.
59:23.960 --> 59:24.680
Yeah, I think that's a good
59:24.680 --> 59:25.580
note to end on.
59:25.720 --> 59:26.660
Therapy's good, guys.
59:27.920 --> 59:28.620
Alright, well, I guess on that
59:28.620 --> 59:29.800
note we can end.
59:29.980 --> 59:30.970
Thanks everyone for being here
59:30.970 --> 59:32.100
and telling your stories.
59:32.240 --> 59:33.480
It sounds like a hot mess.
59:34.100 --> 59:34.640
It is.
59:34.860 --> 59:36.540
Like, it's so messy right now.
59:36.540 --> 59:38.120
Like, on the DAGN subreddit
59:38.120 --> 59:40.080
currently they're like censoring
59:40.080 --> 59:40.700
words.
59:40.820 --> 59:42.260
You cannot say the number 11
59:42.260 --> 59:42.880
anymore.
59:43.980 --> 59:44.740
**** like that.
59:44.840 --> 59:45.360
It's stupid.
59:45.920 --> 59:46.920
And if you try to post anything
59:46.920 --> 59:47.960
without context,
59:47.960 --> 59:49.480
I was trying to post context of
59:49.480 --> 59:50.820
what was going on earlier
59:50.820 --> 59:52.810
and they just deleted it
59:52.810 --> 59:53.440
immediately.
59:53.900 --> 59:55.780
Yeah, they nuke it instantly.
59:56.020 --> 59:57.420
Like, I go bans from the Reddit.
59:58.060 --> 59:58.810
As someone who took a media
59:58.810 --> 59:59.880
literacy course,
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:00.800
this is not how you deal with
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:01.300
backlash.
01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:03.300
You apologize,
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:05.100
but it's kind of hard to
01:00:05.100 --> 01:00:05.800
recover
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.030
when you have miners and
01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:08.400
predators in the same space
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.350
and you haven't really done
01:00:09.350 --> 01:00:10.160
anything about it.
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:12.480
These are really serious issues
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.300
that aren't like a oopsie, so...
01:00:15.340 --> 01:00:15.760
No.
01:00:16.120 --> 01:00:17.570
They're dealing with it so
01:00:17.570 --> 01:00:18.200
badly,
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:19.490
like, it's embarrassing for
01:00:19.490 --> 01:00:19.900
them.
01:00:20.680 --> 01:00:21.080
I know.
01:00:21.200 --> 01:00:22.420
I heard through a mutual friend
01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:23.430
that they originally weren't
01:00:23.430 --> 01:00:24.160
going to say anything
01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:24.940
because they didn't see a
01:00:24.940 --> 01:00:25.520
reason for it.
01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:25.900
They were like,
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:26.920
oh, there's no reason for it.
01:00:26.940 --> 01:00:27.780
It's going to go away.
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:28.700
All right.
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:29.800
Thanks everyone for listening.
01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:30.600
Yes.
01:00:30.640 --> 01:00:31.180
Thank you.
01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:32.570
So there's three players in
01:00:32.570 --> 01:00:33.980
this Shakespearean tragedy.
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:35.750
Chris, a former member of my
01:00:35.750 --> 01:00:36.600
production team
01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:37.690
who made up this gross story
01:00:37.690 --> 01:00:38.140
about me,
01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:39.920
his first boss, DA Games,
01:00:40.180 --> 01:00:41.660
a YouTube channel run by Will
01:00:41.660 --> 01:00:42.120
Ryan,
01:00:42.460 --> 01:00:43.800
and his second boss,
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.940
another YouTuber named Saberspark.
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:46.700
Misk,
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:49.080
Will's Nazi racist and anti-Semitic
01:00:49.080 --> 01:00:49.800
memes.
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:51.480
There's also, um,
01:00:51.640 --> 01:00:53.400
racist and anti-Semitic memes.
01:00:53.900 --> 01:00:54.920
It never ends here.
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:55.900
Part three,
01:00:56.020 --> 01:00:57.300
how DA Games handled the Chris
01:00:57.300 --> 01:00:57.960
situation.
01:00:58.660 --> 01:00:59.100
Badly.
01:00:59.380 --> 01:01:00.440
Back to the Chris situation,
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:01.500
the DA Games team first
01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:02.800
responded to the situation
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.820
privately in November of 2023,
01:01:05.420 --> 01:01:05.970
citing the issue had been
01:01:05.970 --> 01:01:06.970
resolved to their own
01:01:06.970 --> 01:01:07.700
satisfaction
01:01:07.700 --> 01:01:09.200
and that Chris didn't work for
01:01:09.200 --> 01:01:10.240
them at that time,
01:01:10.520 --> 01:01:11.400
even though there's proof that
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:12.220
suggests otherwise,
01:01:12.720 --> 01:01:13.840
and that Will Ryan was likely
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:14.520
in the room
01:01:14.520 --> 01:01:15.830
to hear the story recounted at
01:01:15.830 --> 01:01:16.520
least once.
01:01:16.520 --> 01:01:17.930
They continued to lie about my
01:01:17.930 --> 01:01:18.600
legal rights
01:01:18.600 --> 01:01:19.870
and basically put pressure on
01:01:19.870 --> 01:01:20.770
me to stay quiet about
01:01:20.770 --> 01:01:21.500
everything.
01:01:22.020 --> 01:01:22.860
We'll show you those emails in
01:01:22.860 --> 01:01:23.460
a second.
01:01:23.980 --> 01:01:25.020
At a last ditch attempt,
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:26.660
DA Games attempted to send me a
01:01:26.660 --> 01:01:27.560
cease and desist.
01:01:27.940 --> 01:01:28.770
So we're going to go through
01:01:28.770 --> 01:01:30.090
some highlights of the emails
01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:30.480
here,
01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:31.830
but feel free to pause the
01:01:31.830 --> 01:01:33.180
video and read them for any
01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:34.440
context that you'd like.
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:35.560
Hi, Matilda.
01:01:35.720 --> 01:01:36.690
I was told to contact you
01:01:36.690 --> 01:01:38.270
regarding the Aficionados Chris
01:01:38.270 --> 01:01:38.740
case.
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.280
Many months later.
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:41.960
Hi, Matilda and the DA Games
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:42.460
team.
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:43.920
It's been three months since I
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:44.800
last reached out,
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:46.120
and I'm disappointed in the
01:01:46.120 --> 01:01:47.080
lack of urgency.
01:01:47.540 --> 01:01:48.880
I'm reaching out one last time,
01:01:48.980 --> 01:01:49.740
discuss the issue,
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:50.660
and solve it privately.
01:01:51.220 --> 01:01:51.920
Hi, KP.
01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:53.640
Thanks for your patience.
01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:55.280
Chris informed us that the
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:56.860
recording between you and him
01:01:56.860 --> 01:01:58.120
was not consensual.
01:01:58.360 --> 01:01:59.630
Nonetheless, we listened to the
01:01:59.630 --> 01:02:01.080
recording ourselves and have
01:02:01.080 --> 01:02:02.510
determined that the two of you
01:02:02.510 --> 01:02:03.510
had already reached a
01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:04.140
resolution.
01:02:04.140 --> 01:02:05.650
You will allow the actions of
01:02:05.650 --> 01:02:07.090
the past to be forgotten and
01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:07.860
forgiven.
01:02:07.860 --> 01:02:09.730
It is also our understanding
01:02:09.730 --> 01:02:11.390
that all of this took place
01:02:11.390 --> 01:02:13.450
before Chris was an employee of
01:02:13.450 --> 01:02:13.760
DA,
01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:15.210
meaning that he was not under
01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:16.540
contract at the time of the
01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:17.280
incident.
01:02:17.740 --> 01:02:19.070
Therefore, as a company, we do
01:02:19.070 --> 01:02:20.680
not have the jurisdiction to
01:02:20.680 --> 01:02:22.420
punish him in this situation as
01:02:22.420 --> 01:02:24.380
he has not breached contract.
01:02:24.680 --> 01:02:26.110
I'm disappointed with the lack
01:02:26.110 --> 01:02:27.610
of action taken regarding these
01:02:27.610 --> 01:02:28.930
issues and your lack of alarm
01:02:28.930 --> 01:02:30.180
in terms of how it reflects
01:02:30.180 --> 01:02:32.000
upon your company's priorities,
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:33.500
values, and internal culture.
01:02:33.500 --> 01:02:34.910
Also, regarding the recording
01:02:34.910 --> 01:02:36.600
and Chris's statement, fact is,
01:02:36.600 --> 01:02:38.340
whether or not Chris engaged in
01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:39.260
the activity,
01:02:39.660 --> 01:02:41.060
he openly spoke about doing it
01:02:41.060 --> 01:02:42.880
allegedly in calls involving
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:44.710
his coworkers post having his
01:02:44.710 --> 01:02:46.680
position within the company and
01:02:46.680 --> 01:02:47.300
after,
01:02:47.680 --> 01:02:49.180
as late as 2019.
01:02:50.060 --> 01:02:50.870
This is highly inappropriate,
01:02:50.870 --> 01:02:52.610
morally unacceptable language
01:02:52.610 --> 01:02:54.260
to use when conducting oneself
01:02:54.260 --> 01:02:55.420
around coworkers,
01:02:55.960 --> 01:02:57.340
much less when his attempt to
01:02:57.340 --> 01:02:58.860
convey approval from peers and
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:00.080
a superior by presenting
01:03:00.080 --> 01:03:01.800
himself as a sexual harasser.
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:03.250
If he was bragging about sexual
01:03:03.250 --> 01:03:04.800
misconduct involving a minor,
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.600
would that change your response?
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.020
Because if the answer is yes,
01:03:08.020 --> 01:03:09.280
you should be taking this
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.520
seriously because sexual
01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:12.400
harassment is sexual harassment.
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:14.170
By continuing to employ Chris,
01:03:14.170 --> 01:03:15.480
you not only condone his
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:16.760
behavior, but actively
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:17.830
encourage it within your
01:03:17.830 --> 01:03:19.320
workplace-related settings.
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:20.790
At this point, it's a matter of
01:03:20.790 --> 01:03:22.230
safety for myself and members
01:03:22.230 --> 01:03:23.360
of our communities,
01:03:23.560 --> 01:03:24.880
and me attempting to handle
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:26.080
this issue privately is a
01:03:26.080 --> 01:03:26.720
courtesy,
01:03:27.260 --> 01:03:28.480
one that seemingly is not being
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.520
honored, in fact, dismissed.
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.270
If no satisfactory result is
01:03:32.270 --> 01:03:33.800
brought about, I have no
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.520
problems going public.
01:03:35.520 --> 01:03:37.220
We will review this case again
01:03:37.220 --> 01:03:38.680
and decide on appropriate
01:03:38.680 --> 01:03:40.080
disciplinary action.
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:41.970
This will be handled internally
01:03:41.970 --> 01:03:44.100
and confidentially, of course.
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:45.520
We would like to state that we
01:03:45.520 --> 01:03:46.940
do not represent Chris in any
01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:47.940
legal capacity.
01:03:48.260 --> 01:03:49.620
DA Games as a company does not
01:03:49.620 --> 01:03:51.510
tolerate threats of defamation
01:03:51.510 --> 01:03:52.220
or libel.
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.030
If you go public, we have the
01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:55.900
right to pursue legal action.
01:03:56.220 --> 01:03:57.380
We will share the results of
01:03:57.380 --> 01:03:59.130
the investigation with KP, but
01:03:59.130 --> 01:04:00.920
only on the condition that she
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:02.420
signs a confidentiality
01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:03.340
agreement.
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.060
Part 4. How Saberspark handled
01:04:06.060 --> 01:04:07.220
the Chris situation.
01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:08.160
Badly.
01:04:08.220 --> 01:04:09.680
Next is YouTuber Saberspark,
01:04:09.680 --> 01:04:11.080
who primarily makes animated
01:04:11.080 --> 01:04:12.600
themed content, and generally
01:04:12.600 --> 01:04:13.700
seems not to care about the
01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:14.950
situation unless he is listed
01:04:14.950 --> 01:04:16.140
as an employer of Chris.
01:04:16.540 --> 01:04:17.570
I originally contacted Saber
01:04:17.570 --> 01:04:19.130
through his staff, and here are
01:04:19.130 --> 01:04:20.570
the Discord messages to prove
01:04:20.570 --> 01:04:21.080
that.
01:04:21.380 --> 01:04:22.080
I hate it here.
01:04:22.520 --> 01:04:23.220
There were talks of a hiring
01:04:23.220 --> 01:04:24.490
change, and I assume Chris was
01:04:24.490 --> 01:04:25.690
terminated from working with
01:04:25.690 --> 01:04:26.680
Steven due to that.
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.290
Cool. One last thing to worry
01:04:28.290 --> 01:04:28.740
about.
01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:30.060
Then it got worse.
01:04:30.560 --> 01:04:33.060
Turns out, nothing happened.
01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:34.560
Cool.
01:04:34.560 --> 01:04:34.680
Cool.
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:36.940
Oh, there's a big surprise!
01:04:37.100 --> 01:04:38.130
I tried following up, but never
01:04:38.130 --> 01:04:38.900
heard anything.
01:04:39.240 --> 01:04:40.320
Cut to November of this year,
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:41.690
where Steven is mentioned in
01:04:41.690 --> 01:04:43.110
that email asking for an NDA to
01:04:43.110 --> 01:04:44.600
look into the Chris issue.
01:04:44.740 --> 01:04:46.170
This eventually escalated into
01:04:46.170 --> 01:04:47.380
a public spectacle when I
01:04:47.380 --> 01:04:49.180
shared the NDA email on Twitter.
01:04:49.680 --> 01:04:50.190
One of the people in that
01:04:50.190 --> 01:04:51.640
thread tagged Steven directly,
01:04:51.640 --> 01:04:52.520
and then...
01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:54.220
Thanks for the support, guys.
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:55.670
It's emotionally draining, but
01:04:55.670 --> 01:04:56.930
I feel like being critical of
01:04:56.930 --> 01:04:58.440
online spaces, especially when
01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:59.410
you try to solve things
01:04:59.410 --> 01:05:01.120
privately first, is important.
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:03.340
Were you able to contact Saber
01:05:03.340 --> 01:05:04.890
or anyone that currently works
01:05:04.890 --> 01:05:06.080
for him about Chris?
01:05:06.300 --> 01:05:07.420
I contacted Saber through some
01:05:07.420 --> 01:05:08.910
friends in common. Never heard
01:05:08.910 --> 01:05:10.070
about an official firing,
01:05:10.070 --> 01:05:10.580
though.
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:12.430
I was never contacted by any
01:05:12.430 --> 01:05:14.350
friend of yours, nor did you
01:05:14.350 --> 01:05:16.350
ever make any attempt to reach
01:05:16.350 --> 01:05:18.080
out to me on your own behalf
01:05:18.080 --> 01:05:20.440
via Twitter, email, or anywhere
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:21.160
else.
01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:23.110
You are omitting so much
01:05:23.110 --> 01:05:25.430
information right now, but I'll
01:05:25.430 --> 01:05:26.890
provide some here in a sec,
01:05:26.890 --> 01:05:28.840
under your original post.
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:30.840
Dude, we can talk privately.
01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:31.990
I have screenshots that I
01:05:31.990 --> 01:05:34.960
contacted both... and... and...
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:35.240
and...
01:05:35.240 --> 01:05:36.410
Are you going to record the
01:05:36.410 --> 01:05:37.640
call without telling me the
01:05:37.640 --> 01:05:39.220
same way you did to Chris, too?
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:40.900
Talk to me privately.
01:05:41.200 --> 01:05:42.150
I'm not doing this back and
01:05:42.150 --> 01:05:42.880
forth on Twitter.
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.100
Then don't app me with your
01:05:44.100 --> 01:05:45.260
half-truths and omitted
01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:46.600
information in order to gain
01:05:46.600 --> 01:05:48.260
sympathy and slander my name.
01:05:48.640 --> 01:05:50.780
I'm 100% to debunk every accusation
01:05:50.780 --> 01:05:51.780
in your video.
01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:52.980
I have no idea how you can
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:54.420
claim due diligence when you
01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:55.780
never reached out to me.
01:05:56.260 --> 01:05:57.380
Don't fucking talk to me like
01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:57.880
that.
01:05:58.080 --> 01:05:59.190
Don't call me a fucking liar
01:05:59.190 --> 01:06:00.610
when I have the screenshots to
01:06:00.610 --> 01:06:01.340
back me up.
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:02.600
And if you're aware of the call,
01:06:02.600 --> 01:06:03.820
then the information got back
01:06:03.820 --> 01:06:04.720
to you regardless.
01:06:05.180 --> 01:06:06.670
If there was some decision made,
01:06:06.670 --> 01:06:07.840
I never heard about it.
01:06:08.080 --> 01:06:09.160
I'm ending this conversation.
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:10.810
So a couple of things to unpack
01:06:10.810 --> 01:06:12.490
here besides me not purposely
01:06:12.490 --> 01:06:13.740
tagging Stephen.
01:06:13.980 --> 01:06:15.020
It was a third party.
01:06:15.560 --> 01:06:16.660
Regardless, Stephen proceeded
01:06:16.660 --> 01:06:18.100
to call me a liar publicly.
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:19.420
You calling me a liar?
01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:20.840
I ain't calling you a truther.
01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:22.340
Proceeded to tease me about
01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:24.110
doing an unsolicited recording
01:06:24.110 --> 01:06:25.360
and to slander him.
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:26.400
Slander is spoken.
01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:27.880
In print, it's libel.
01:06:28.560 --> 01:06:30.500
Some red flags to this response.
01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:32.400
1. Stephen could have calmly
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.700
asked who I talked to instead
01:06:33.700 --> 01:06:34.900
of assuming the worst.
01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:36.820
2. His anger was directed at me
01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:38.250
and not an employer, Chris
01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:39.000
himself.
01:06:39.200 --> 01:06:40.810
3. Stephen is claiming that I
01:06:40.810 --> 01:06:42.510
never contacted him directly,
01:06:42.510 --> 01:06:43.730
implying that he had no
01:06:43.730 --> 01:06:45.240
information about this,
01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:46.360
but admits to knowing the
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:47.700
confrontation with Chris was
01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:48.340
recorded.
01:06:48.820 --> 01:06:49.140
Hmm.
01:06:49.640 --> 01:06:50.740
Sounded like some bullshit to
01:06:50.740 --> 01:06:51.080
me.
01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:52.170
By the way, I wasn't going to
01:06:52.170 --> 01:06:53.320
make fun of Stephen so much,
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:54.520
but I gave him so many chances
01:06:54.520 --> 01:06:55.720
to communicate with me and he
01:06:55.720 --> 01:06:56.840
just didn't do anything,
01:06:57.020 --> 01:06:58.190
so clearly he doesn't care what
01:06:58.190 --> 01:06:58.940
I have to say.
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:00.380
It's only an issue when there's
01:07:00.380 --> 01:07:01.540
potential backlash.
01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:05.300
I've come to make an
01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:06.380
announcement.
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:08.890
Shadow the Hedgehog is a bitch-ass
01:07:08.890 --> 01:07:10.300
motherfucker.
01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:13.620
He pissed on my fucking wife.
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:14.440
That's right.
01:07:14.660 --> 01:07:17.520
He said his dick was this big,
01:07:17.520 --> 01:07:18.300
and I said,
01:07:18.460 --> 01:07:19.940
that's disgusting.
01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:22.240
So I'm making a call-out post
01:07:22.240 --> 01:07:24.260
on my Twitter.com.
01:07:24.620 --> 01:07:26.770
Shadow the Hedgehog, you got a
01:07:26.770 --> 01:07:28.720
small fucking dick.
01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:30.880
It's the size of this walnut,
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.920
but way fucking smaller.
01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:34.480
And guess what?
01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:37.540
Here's what my dong looks like.
01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:39.880
That's right, baby.
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:41.440
All points.
01:07:41.660 --> 01:07:42.860
No quills.
01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:44.080
No pillows.
01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:45.740
Look at that.
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.740
It looks like two balls and a bong.
01:07:49.140 --> 01:07:50.820
He fucked my wife.
01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:51.680
Guess what?
01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:53.660
I'm gonna fuck the Earth.
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:54.680
That's right.
01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:56.160
That's what you get.
01:07:56.500 --> 01:07:58.960
My super laser piss.
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:00.770
Except I'm not gonna piss on
01:08:00.770 --> 01:08:01.680
the Earth.
01:08:01.900 --> 01:08:03.420
I'm going higher.
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:06.780
I'm gonna piss on the Moon.
01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:09.340
How do you like that, Obama?
01:08:09.720 --> 01:08:12.140
You have 23 hours before the
01:08:12.140 --> 01:08:15.220
piss droplets fall on the Earth.
01:08:15.220 --> 01:08:17.820
Now get out of my fucking sight
01:08:17.820 --> 01:08:20.180
before I piss on you too!
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:22.000
So what I think happened is
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:23.740
that Stephen was informed by Pym,
01:08:23.740 --> 01:08:25.340
didn't know it came from me,
01:08:25.340 --> 01:08:26.690
discussed it, blew it off, or
01:08:26.690 --> 01:08:27.950
decided it was nothing, and
01:08:27.950 --> 01:08:28.990
forgot about it until he
01:08:28.990 --> 01:08:30.200
started facing some public
01:08:30.200 --> 01:08:31.640
backlash and proceeded to blame
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:32.080
me.
01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:33.400
Because he was so concerned
01:08:33.400 --> 01:08:34.900
with direct communication, I
01:08:34.900 --> 01:08:36.400
ended up sending him this email
01:08:36.400 --> 01:08:37.980
detailing who I talked to, why
01:08:37.980 --> 01:08:39.420
this is important, and why this
01:08:39.420 --> 01:08:40.960
isn't a single incident.
01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:42.360
Good afternoon, Stephen.
01:08:42.700 --> 01:08:43.580
This email is your requested
01:08:43.580 --> 01:08:44.970
private communication regarding
01:08:44.970 --> 01:08:46.160
Chris and the overall sexual
01:08:46.160 --> 01:08:47.390
harassment situation that he
01:08:47.390 --> 01:08:48.060
has caused.
01:08:48.460 --> 01:08:49.440
Our full incident report can be
01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:50.560
found here if needed.
01:08:50.900 --> 01:08:52.110
Since you publicly displayed
01:08:52.110 --> 01:08:53.140
confusion at best about my
01:08:53.140 --> 01:08:54.480
attempting communication with
01:08:54.480 --> 01:08:55.890
you prior to this point, below
01:08:55.890 --> 01:08:56.880
are screenshots of my
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:58.350
conversations with K*cking and
01:08:58.350 --> 01:09:00.070
K*cking, aka the friends/employees
01:09:00.070 --> 01:09:01.860
I passed Chris's information to.
01:09:02.260 --> 01:09:03.170
The conversation with K*cking
01:09:03.170 --> 01:09:04.230
specifically mentions a
01:09:04.230 --> 01:09:05.680
possible staffing change based
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:06.680
on Chris's actions, and I
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:07.730
honestly cannot fathom a
01:09:07.730 --> 01:09:09.030
situation where there would be
01:09:09.030 --> 01:09:10.180
that drastic of an employee
01:09:10.180 --> 01:09:11.440
change or discussion without
01:09:11.440 --> 01:09:12.440
your knowledge.
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Screenshots can be found here,
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here, and here.
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I do not appreciate you calling
01:09:16.040 --> 01:09:17.600
me a liar publicly, and I would
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:18.830
like some form of public
01:09:18.830 --> 01:09:19.420
apology.
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:21.220
He didn't give me one.
01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:22.430
Additionally, your public
01:09:22.430 --> 01:09:23.720
statement states that you knew
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:24.970
the confrontation between me
01:09:24.970 --> 01:09:26.100
and Chris was recorded as a
01:09:26.100 --> 01:09:27.420
matter of community safety.
01:09:27.660 --> 01:09:28.470
Combined with your email
01:09:28.470 --> 01:09:29.830
interactions with EA Games, it
01:09:29.830 --> 01:09:30.920
leads me to believe that,
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:32.930
unless there is some major miscommunication,
01:09:32.930 --> 01:09:34.190
you are aware of the situation
01:09:34.190 --> 01:09:35.580
you have chosen in action.
01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:36.730
You still have the choice to
01:09:36.730 --> 01:09:38.130
either hold Chris accountable,
01:09:38.130 --> 01:09:39.630
i.e. firing him with proof, or
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keep him on staff.
01:09:40.540 --> 01:09:41.920
Should you choose the former,
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:43.230
please communicate this to me
01:09:43.230 --> 01:09:44.420
as soon as possible to avoid
01:09:44.420 --> 01:09:45.690
any miscommunication in any
01:09:45.690 --> 01:09:47.170
public statements/information
01:09:47.170 --> 01:09:48.080
present after.
01:09:48.300 --> 01:09:49.720
If you believe this is a one-time
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:51.210
incident, this document linked
01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:52.640
below has logged some of Chris's
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:54.140
other inappropriate behavior,
01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:55.430
including but not limited to
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making bestiality jokes to
01:09:56.650 --> 01:09:58.020
someone he knew as a minor, and
01:09:58.020 --> 01:09:59.240
the use of the N-word in Nazi
01:09:59.240 --> 01:10:00.560
imagery with himself and will
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:01.720
of the EA Games.
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:03.120
You can find more information
01:10:03.120 --> 01:10:04.460
on page 4 and 29 of this
01:10:04.460 --> 01:10:05.140
document.
01:10:05.140 --> 01:10:06.620
I have been clear on screen
01:10:06.620 --> 01:10:07.960
shots of the bestiality
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:09.560
incident if requested.
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:10.460
I hope that we can clearly
01:10:10.460 --> 01:10:11.560
communicate about this going
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:12.060
forward.
01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:13.270
I have no desire to get into an
01:10:13.270 --> 01:10:14.630
internet squabble with you, so
01:10:14.630 --> 01:10:15.940
let's please work this out like
01:10:15.940 --> 01:10:16.560
adults.
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:17.980
And do you know what happened?
01:10:17.980 --> 01:10:20.010
No response to the email, but
01:10:20.010 --> 01:10:22.240
suddenly the Twitter exchange
01:10:22.240 --> 01:10:24.480
got deleted? Where did it go?
01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:26.620
Nowhere to be found. No apology,
01:10:26.620 --> 01:10:28.590
no clarification. Just deleted
01:10:28.590 --> 01:10:30.020
the evidence that he knew about
01:10:30.020 --> 01:10:31.420
the situation and covered his
01:10:31.420 --> 01:10:32.840
tracks and enabled the weird
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:34.200
dude because god forbid Stephen
01:10:34.200 --> 01:10:35.400
have to find a new editor or
01:10:35.400 --> 01:10:36.830
even do the public apology that
01:10:36.830 --> 01:10:38.140
I asked him to when he falsely
01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:39.560
threw me under the bus.
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:41.060
I believe Stephen realized I
01:10:41.060 --> 01:10:42.490
wasn't lying and instead of
01:10:42.490 --> 01:10:43.790
talking to me directly or
01:10:43.790 --> 01:10:45.210
apologizing to me, he just
01:10:45.210 --> 01:10:46.780
deleted the thread. So if
01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:48.370
Stephen wasn't hiding anything
01:10:48.370 --> 01:10:49.700
or wasn't sus, why didn't he
01:10:49.700 --> 01:10:50.960
just ask me about the Chris
01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:52.180
stuff? He just assumed
01:10:52.180 --> 01:10:53.670
automatically that I was lying
01:10:53.670 --> 01:10:55.060
and started yelling. Very
01:10:55.060 --> 01:10:56.870
defensive. Very sus. What
01:10:56.870 --> 01:10:58.190
exactly was the move here,
01:10:58.190 --> 01:10:59.570
Stephen? Do you think just
01:10:59.570 --> 01:11:01.080
deleting the thread, putting
01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:02.470
your fingers in your ears and
01:11:02.470 --> 01:11:03.690
going "la la la la la" would
01:11:03.690 --> 01:11:05.170
make this all go away? More of
01:11:05.170 --> 01:11:06.430
the story is to fire creepy
01:11:06.430 --> 01:11:07.970
people on your staff even if it's
01:11:07.970 --> 01:11:09.540
inconvenient to you.
01:11:09.540 --> 01:11:10.940
Stephen, it is clear to me that
01:11:10.940 --> 01:11:12.230
you do not wish to correspond
01:11:12.230 --> 01:11:13.630
with any direct communication
01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:14.710
despite you personally
01:11:14.710 --> 01:11:15.940
requesting so. To say I'm
01:11:15.940 --> 01:11:17.460
disappointed with your behavior
01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:19.100
would be a severe understatement.
01:11:19.100 --> 01:11:20.430
You called me a liar publicly
01:11:20.430 --> 01:11:21.640
without even asking for the
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.540
truth or further clarification.
01:11:23.540 --> 01:11:24.660
To me, it seems like the only
01:11:24.660 --> 01:11:25.750
reason why you wanted to get
01:11:25.750 --> 01:11:26.940
involved is that your name was
01:11:26.940 --> 01:11:28.040
attached, and you're more
01:11:28.040 --> 01:11:29.240
interested in damage control
01:11:29.240 --> 01:11:30.520
for your brand than your brand's
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:31.810
actual integrity. I feel like
01:11:31.810 --> 01:11:33.040
we wouldn't even be having this
01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.240
conversation if there was not
01:11:34.240 --> 01:11:35.630
another YouTuber in your space.
01:11:35.630 --> 01:11:36.420
I hope that you can be
01:11:36.420 --> 01:11:37.690
professional about this going
01:11:37.690 --> 01:11:39.520
forward, even though frankly,
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:41.060
You haven't been through this
01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:42.670
entire nightmare ordeal. But
01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:44.520
clearly, that is not possible.
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:46.550
Hey Rachel, to start things off,
01:11:46.550 --> 01:11:48.300
I replied to you on Twitter the
01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:50.060
way I did, out of frustration
01:11:50.060 --> 01:11:51.820
due to the misinformation you
01:11:51.820 --> 01:11:53.640
have about me, and how you were
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.390
talking about me without ever
01:11:55.390 --> 01:11:57.990
contacting me directly prior. I'd
01:11:57.990 --> 01:11:59.510
imagine you'd feel the same
01:11:59.510 --> 01:12:01.290
frustration if someone had
01:12:01.290 --> 01:12:03.300
incorrect info about you, and
01:12:03.300 --> 01:12:05.300
probably you do, with how some
01:12:05.300 --> 01:12:07.070
people went after you in the
01:12:07.070 --> 01:12:09.500
past, with false information.
01:12:09.500 --> 01:12:11.240
I truly don't want to engage in
01:12:11.240 --> 01:12:12.970
internet drama that operates
01:12:12.970 --> 01:12:14.710
off of gossip, but the amount
01:12:14.710 --> 01:12:16.450
of misinformation you have is
01:12:16.450 --> 01:12:18.180
staggering, so I will set the
01:12:18.180 --> 01:12:20.050
record straight. As far as you
01:12:20.050 --> 01:12:21.830
and me, I'm dumbfounded. We
01:12:21.830 --> 01:12:23.690
hung out, and that was it. I'm
01:12:23.690 --> 01:12:25.020
not sure what you saw in
01:12:25.020 --> 01:12:26.620
hanging out with me, but we
01:12:26.620 --> 01:12:28.530
just went our separate ways.
01:12:28.530 --> 01:12:30.150
All in all, I feel blindsided
01:12:30.150 --> 01:12:32.030
by your emails Rachel. How can
01:12:32.030 --> 01:12:33.700
you say that you're coming to
01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:35.680
me as an impartial individual?
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.300
As far as Chris goes, I heard
01:12:37.300 --> 01:12:39.420
through second hand sources,
01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:41.120
of his stupid joke, that Chris
01:12:41.120 --> 01:12:42.820
made amends with you, and that
01:12:42.820 --> 01:12:44.590
was the end of it. Only for me,
01:12:44.590 --> 01:12:46.100
to get accusatory emails,
01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:48.000
months later? You never reached
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:49.580
out to me officially, so how
01:12:49.580 --> 01:12:51.220
could I acknowledge anything
01:12:51.220 --> 01:12:52.420
besides what-?
01:12:52.420 --> 01:12:54.360
Finally, I do have a lawyer,
01:12:54.360 --> 01:12:56.070
and I will gladly bring him
01:12:56.070 --> 01:12:58.110
into our conversation to clear
01:12:58.110 --> 01:13:00.100
the air if needed. Now that it
01:13:00.100 --> 01:13:01.720
has come to this degree of
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.740
misinformation on your end, I
01:13:03.740 --> 01:13:05.700
will do everything within my
01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:07.480
power to clear the record for
01:13:07.480 --> 01:13:09.460
the truth, and that includes
01:13:09.460 --> 01:13:11.210
exploring legal avenues if
01:13:11.210 --> 01:13:13.760
necessary. I hope this
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:15.560
information helps and convinces
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:17.930
you to reconsider your position.
01:13:17.930 --> 01:13:20.720
Regards, Stephen.
01:13:21.420 --> 01:13:23.010
Stephen, you've already passed
01:13:23.010 --> 01:13:24.370
the allotted time I've given
01:13:24.370 --> 01:13:25.800
you to deal with the situation
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:27.220
privately, as outlined in my
01:13:27.220 --> 01:13:28.590
first email, which I feel is
01:13:28.590 --> 01:13:30.130
ridiculous considering you had
01:13:30.130 --> 01:13:31.610
access to this information for
01:13:31.610 --> 01:13:33.170
more than a year, regardless of
01:13:33.170 --> 01:13:34.940
where it came from. If you're
01:13:34.940 --> 01:13:36.070
now going to sit there and
01:13:36.070 --> 01:13:37.650
threaten me with legality after
01:13:37.650 --> 01:13:39.050
this many private attempts at
01:13:39.050 --> 01:13:40.470
communication, I will not be
01:13:40.470 --> 01:13:42.080
entering any further discussion
01:13:42.080 --> 01:13:43.230
with you after this last
01:13:43.230 --> 01:13:44.610
correspondence and cutting
01:13:44.610 --> 01:13:46.420
contact with you at this point.
01:13:47.220 --> 01:13:47.810
The reality is I'm incredibly
01:13:47.810 --> 01:13:49.370
uncomfortable with your general
01:13:49.370 --> 01:13:50.880
approach in which your previous
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:51.240
email
01:13:51.240 --> 01:13:52.060
and how your public
01:13:52.060 --> 01:13:53.110
correspondence has been
01:13:53.110 --> 01:13:54.320
addressed, as well as you in
01:13:54.320 --> 01:13:54.900
general.
01:13:55.260 --> 01:13:56.190
So I'll keep this as brief as
01:13:56.190 --> 01:13:56.860
possible.
01:13:57.140 --> 01:13:58.690
To add to this, this whole, I
01:13:58.690 --> 01:14:00.190
will fight you for the truth,
01:14:00.190 --> 01:14:00.740
tone,
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:01.940
your whole last email and the
01:14:01.940 --> 01:14:03.400
Twitter thread is drenched with,
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:04.830
undermines the actual issues of
01:14:04.830 --> 01:14:05.800
the conversation.
01:14:06.240 --> 01:14:07.340
On top of assuming I'm going to
01:14:07.340 --> 01:14:09.420
publish falsifiable information.
01:14:09.940 --> 01:14:10.780
Is that how you talk to someone
01:14:10.780 --> 01:14:11.850
who's treated poorly by a
01:14:11.850 --> 01:14:13.400
current employee in the past?
01:14:13.900 --> 01:14:15.180
Based on all of your previous
01:14:15.180 --> 01:14:16.560
conversations, forgive me if
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:17.640
you're not on the top of my
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:18.830
list of people who treat me
01:14:18.830 --> 01:14:20.060
with assumed respect.
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:21.730
In regards to your response on
01:14:21.730 --> 01:14:22.920
my Twitter posting,
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:24.600
your heated response calling me
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:25.840
a liar and questioning my
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:27.060
character publicly is
01:14:27.060 --> 01:14:27.980
unacceptable.
01:14:28.660 --> 01:14:29.160
How you were particularly
01:14:29.160 --> 01:14:30.390
feeling at the time doesn't
01:14:30.390 --> 01:14:31.740
justify calling people names
01:14:31.740 --> 01:14:33.140
and treating them poorly.
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:34.750
As well, you could have DM'd me
01:14:34.750 --> 01:14:36.310
as requested several times or
01:14:36.310 --> 01:14:37.840
asked for further information
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:39.260
before responding in such a
01:14:39.260 --> 01:14:39.820
tone.
01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:41.780
When all I ask regarding this
01:14:41.780 --> 01:14:42.800
exchange is for you to
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:43.920
apologize publicly for
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.380
something you did publicly,
01:14:45.740 --> 01:14:46.990
you instead doubled down in the
01:14:46.990 --> 01:14:48.310
last message and tried to
01:14:48.310 --> 01:14:50.050
justify your feelings, and only
01:14:50.050 --> 01:14:51.080
privately at that.
01:14:52.240 --> 01:14:52.300
This doesn't strike me as
01:14:52.300 --> 01:14:53.780
someone who is dealing with the
01:14:53.780 --> 01:14:55.060
situation with the utmost
01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:55.740
maturity,
01:14:56.040 --> 01:14:56.910
but a desperate attempt to
01:14:56.910 --> 01:14:58.350
distract from the actual issues
01:14:58.350 --> 01:14:59.880
and make yourself the victim.
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:01.320
The fact that you are going
01:15:01.320 --> 01:15:02.890
about this route again, even
01:15:02.890 --> 01:15:04.260
after I proved I wasn't lying
01:15:04.260 --> 01:15:06.600
the first time, is fucking deranged.
01:15:07.080 --> 01:15:07.870
Regarding your access to the
01:15:07.870 --> 01:15:09.320
information about the incident
01:15:09.320 --> 01:15:10.220
regarding Chris,
01:15:10.320 --> 01:15:11.500
and your insistence that I was
01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:12.830
the one who directly discussed
01:15:12.830 --> 01:15:14.160
the information about Chris
01:15:14.160 --> 01:15:15.500
instead of your general access
01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:16.840
to said information seems to be
01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:17.520
misguided.
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:18.960
Do I have to tell you directly
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:20.140
what to do with an employee
01:15:20.140 --> 01:15:21.370
incident of this scale for
01:15:21.370 --> 01:15:22.460
anything to happen?
01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:24.380
I shared the confirmation I had
01:15:24.380 --> 01:15:25.990
from both and that you had said
01:15:25.990 --> 01:15:26.820
information,
01:15:27.160 --> 01:15:28.270
which came off as indifference
01:15:28.270 --> 01:15:29.320
based on what I felt,
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:30.800
as well as your correspondence
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.380
with DA Games alluding to such,
01:15:32.660 --> 01:15:34.030
as well as there being a public
01:15:34.030 --> 01:15:35.500
safety report available,
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:37.310
with public contact information
01:15:37.310 --> 01:15:38.530
present for over a year
01:15:38.530 --> 01:15:40.140
regarding the situation.
01:15:40.480 --> 01:15:41.540
So I don't understand how it's
01:15:41.540 --> 01:15:42.680
particularly relevant how you
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:43.850
learned your employee sexually
01:15:43.850 --> 01:15:45.080
harassed someone in the past,
01:15:45.160 --> 01:15:45.790
it just matters that it
01:15:45.790 --> 01:15:46.260
happened.
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:47.520
Even assuming you didn't know
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.830
about Chris's actions up to the
01:15:48.830 --> 01:15:49.760
Twitter exchange,
01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:51.170
I still emailed you directly to
01:15:51.170 --> 01:15:52.480
discuss it before it reached
01:15:52.480 --> 01:15:53.140
this point,
01:15:53.400 --> 01:15:54.510
and you seemed to ignore that
01:15:54.510 --> 01:15:55.690
email and only responded to a
01:15:55.690 --> 01:15:56.970
second after my frustration
01:15:56.970 --> 01:15:57.940
became clearer.
01:15:58.420 --> 01:15:59.500
To be frank, it doesn't matter
01:15:59.500 --> 01:16:00.860
how the perpetrator feels how
01:16:00.860 --> 01:16:02.120
the resolution went,
01:16:02.200 --> 01:16:03.080
but the fact that it happened
01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:03.760
in the first place is
01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:04.420
unacceptable.
01:16:05.040 --> 01:16:06.230
Chris is, very obviously, going
01:16:06.230 --> 01:16:07.650
to tell you whatever you need
01:16:07.650 --> 01:16:09.040
to hear to keep his job.
01:16:09.160 --> 01:16:10.360
It's alright guys, the
01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:11.620
criminals said the crime
01:16:11.620 --> 01:16:13.060
actually wasn't so bad after
01:16:13.060 --> 01:16:13.440
all!
01:16:13.780 --> 01:16:14.950
Hell, it doesn't even matter
01:16:14.950 --> 01:16:16.100
how I feel about it!
01:16:16.380 --> 01:16:17.470
Still, if you were so concerned
01:16:17.470 --> 01:16:18.790
with my personal opinion on the
01:16:18.790 --> 01:16:19.280
matter,
01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:20.340
to the point whether it would
01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:21.540
directly dictate your decision
01:16:21.540 --> 01:16:22.740
to keep Chris on staff or not,
01:16:22.820 --> 01:16:24.220
I do not, for the life of me,
01:16:24.220 --> 01:16:26.000
understand why you didn't reach
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:26.600
out to me,
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:27.990
directly or indirectly through
01:16:27.990 --> 01:16:28.700
our friends.
01:16:29.020 --> 01:16:30.080
Great job updating me on the
01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:31.400
current status of Chris's
01:16:31.400 --> 01:16:33.240
employment, even now by the way.
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:35.040
Good job. 10 out of 10.
01:16:35.480 --> 01:16:37.300
Regardless, this isn't a joke,
01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:38.600
and your insistence as such is
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.000
the underlying problem of this
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.000
whole situation.
01:16:41.240 --> 01:16:42.550
How is it a fucking joke to say
01:16:42.550 --> 01:16:43.990
you ejaculated on your boss's
01:16:43.990 --> 01:16:45.770
clothing and say that to other
01:16:45.770 --> 01:16:47.300
men multiple times?
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:49.360
It cannot and should not be belittled
01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:50.340
as just drama.
01:16:50.620 --> 01:16:51.540
Why would I have gone through
01:16:51.540 --> 01:16:52.820
the trouble of corresponding
01:16:52.820 --> 01:16:53.900
with DA Games or having a
01:16:53.900 --> 01:16:54.960
safety report be written
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:56.650
if I just thought it was just a
01:16:56.650 --> 01:16:57.140
joke?
01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:58.640
I was and am worried about the
01:16:58.640 --> 01:16:59.870
children Chris and the greater
01:16:59.870 --> 01:17:01.060
DA Games community still have
01:17:01.060 --> 01:17:01.680
access to.
01:17:02.020 --> 01:17:02.910
Even if I had forgiven Chris
01:17:02.910 --> 01:17:04.310
for some reason, it wouldn't be
01:17:04.310 --> 01:17:04.960
relevant.
01:17:05.320 --> 01:17:06.320
Even still, you seem to show
01:17:06.320 --> 01:17:07.550
anger that I got Chris's
01:17:07.550 --> 01:17:08.620
confession on record in
01:17:08.620 --> 01:17:09.940
comparison, you know,
01:17:10.360 --> 01:17:11.310
what he actually confessed to
01:17:11.310 --> 01:17:12.640
with your comment stating,
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:14.010
Are you gonna record the call
01:17:14.010 --> 01:17:15.490
without telling me the same way
01:17:15.490 --> 01:17:16.360
you did Chris?
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:18.850
To be clear, he is not the
01:17:18.850 --> 01:17:20.660
victim. Full stop.
01:17:20.900 --> 01:17:22.140
Neither are you for that matter,
01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:23.200
Mr. Truthseeker.
01:17:24.020 --> 01:17:25.190
Publicly throwing the actual
01:17:25.190 --> 01:17:26.530
recipient under the bus and siding
01:17:26.530 --> 01:17:27.600
with the sexual harasser
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.170
just because he did not know he
01:17:29.170 --> 01:17:30.870
was gonna be on record as a stager
01:17:30.870 --> 01:17:31.400
concern,
01:17:31.700 --> 01:17:32.960
on top of being incorrect about
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:34.020
your information,
01:17:34.220 --> 01:17:35.090
is one of the most idiotic
01:17:35.090 --> 01:17:36.440
parts of this whole ordeal.
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:37.830
I felt it was very obvious that
01:17:37.830 --> 01:17:39.360
the intention was a recording
01:17:39.360 --> 01:17:40.460
for the public record,
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:41.690
and a possible angle and
01:17:41.690 --> 01:17:43.180
interpretation of him being
01:17:43.180 --> 01:17:44.500
blindsided by a bad joke
01:17:44.500 --> 01:17:45.840
turned public because I want to
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:47.100
be a bitch and cause problems
01:17:47.100 --> 01:17:48.210
is just insulting and
01:17:48.210 --> 01:17:49.920
respectful on so many levels.
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:51.320
Or how you put it, publicly
01:17:51.320 --> 01:17:53.050
discussing half-truths against
01:17:53.050 --> 01:17:54.960
sympathy and slander your name.
01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:56.440
Spoiler alert, this isn't about
01:17:56.440 --> 01:17:56.800
you.
01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:58.260
Additionally, the fact that I
01:17:58.260 --> 01:17:59.600
went out of my way to privately
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:00.640
talk to you directly
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:02.190
after several attempts to seek
01:18:02.190 --> 01:18:03.380
resolution with the staff
01:18:03.380 --> 01:18:04.310
and wanted to ask on the
01:18:04.310 --> 01:18:04.980
Twitter thread
01:18:04.980 --> 01:18:06.160
and still did not receive a
01:18:06.160 --> 01:18:07.650
response until sending a second
01:18:07.650 --> 01:18:09.040
email outlining my frustration
01:18:09.040 --> 01:18:10.040
is just ridiculous.
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:12.020
I then even provided additional
01:18:12.020 --> 01:18:13.590
proof of racism and Nazi
01:18:13.590 --> 01:18:14.790
imagery that Chris and Will
01:18:14.790 --> 01:18:15.360
displayed.
01:18:15.360 --> 01:18:17.370
There are even incidents of lollicon
01:18:17.370 --> 01:18:18.780
slash child pornography.
01:18:19.320 --> 01:18:20.740
and sharing that material with
01:18:20.740 --> 01:18:22.780
minors, allegedly accidentally
01:18:22.780 --> 01:18:24.380
on the document I linked,
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:26.110
as well as Will dating a minor
01:18:26.110 --> 01:18:27.400
in 2015.
01:18:28.220 --> 01:18:29.330
If we only knew what SaberSpark
01:18:29.330 --> 01:18:30.960
thought about lollicon.
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:32.380
Oh wait.
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.520
As his following grew, Cal
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.460
became very publicly outspoken
01:18:36.460 --> 01:18:38.120
with his dislike of lollicon
01:18:38.120 --> 01:18:39.920
and similar taboo art styles.
01:18:40.580 --> 01:18:41.830
For those who are not familiar
01:18:41.830 --> 01:18:43.130
with them, let's just say it's
01:18:43.130 --> 01:18:43.640
a...
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.890
This additional document has
01:18:45.890 --> 01:18:48.050
been publicly available for
01:18:48.050 --> 01:18:49.460
over two years!
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:51.140
The DA Games community server
01:18:51.140 --> 01:18:52.750
has had pedophiles that were
01:18:52.750 --> 01:18:54.410
quietly kicked out if slash
01:18:54.410 --> 01:18:55.740
when discovered instead of
01:18:55.740 --> 01:18:56.760
publicly acknowledged.
01:18:57.320 --> 01:18:59.180
One has a motherfucking mugshot
01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:00.520
on the document!
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:01.900
Since this all seems to have
01:19:01.900 --> 01:19:03.230
gotten ignored until now, on
01:19:03.230 --> 01:19:04.600
top of the safety report of the
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:05.730
incident being publicly
01:19:05.730 --> 01:19:07.080
available for over a year,
01:19:07.200 --> 01:19:08.490
solidifies to me my original
01:19:08.490 --> 01:19:09.820
assumption that you do only
01:19:09.820 --> 01:19:11.330
care when you have consequences
01:19:11.330 --> 01:19:12.660
for your lack of action.
01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:14.160
God forbid someone is a creep
01:19:14.160 --> 01:19:15.680
on my staff, just don't tell
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.260
the public he works for me!
01:19:17.700 --> 01:19:18.690
Does it not seem like common
01:19:18.690 --> 01:19:20.280
sense to fire someone who talks
01:19:20.280 --> 01:19:21.660
this way about others?
01:19:22.160 --> 01:19:23.510
Especially women, regardless of
01:19:23.510 --> 01:19:24.640
when it happened?
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:26.080
In the interest of openness,
01:19:26.080 --> 01:19:27.940
though, I am open to do an on-the-record,
01:19:27.940 --> 01:19:29.420
three-way conversation between
01:19:29.420 --> 01:19:30.960
you, **** and myself,
01:19:31.260 --> 01:19:32.090
to get to the truth of the
01:19:32.090 --> 01:19:33.410
matter at a later time, but
01:19:33.410 --> 01:19:34.910
that will be at your discretion
01:19:34.910 --> 01:19:36.280
as his boss and at his comfort
01:19:36.280 --> 01:19:37.000
level.
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:38.040
As I want to honor ****'s
01:19:38.040 --> 01:19:39.270
request and not be involved
01:19:39.270 --> 01:19:40.640
anymore and not emotionally to
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:41.400
stress him.
01:19:41.660 --> 01:19:42.420
But bluntly, I will not
01:19:42.420 --> 01:19:43.500
tolerate the consistent
01:19:43.500 --> 01:19:44.950
implications of untruthfulness
01:19:44.950 --> 01:19:46.020
until this happens.
01:19:46.380 --> 01:19:47.140
**** can reach out in the
01:19:47.140 --> 01:19:48.470
future if he is interested and
01:19:48.470 --> 01:19:49.820
comfortable about a possible
01:19:49.820 --> 01:19:50.720
conversation.
01:19:51.460 --> 01:19:52.820
Lastly, as I don't want to get
01:19:52.820 --> 01:19:54.000
too personal, but it is
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:55.330
absolutely laughable that you
01:19:55.330 --> 01:19:56.930
consider your romantic interest
01:19:56.930 --> 01:19:57.140
in me
01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:58.750
and our friendship ending as
01:19:58.750 --> 01:20:00.280
mutually parting ways.
01:20:01.040 --> 01:20:02.860
Like, what **** planet are you
01:20:02.860 --> 01:20:03.380
on?
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:04.810
Is that how you summarize every
01:20:04.810 --> 01:20:06.420
one of your failed courtships?
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:07.610
Let me refresh you on the
01:20:07.610 --> 01:20:08.400
experience.
01:20:09.380 --> 01:20:10.090
After months of spending time
01:20:10.090 --> 01:20:11.960
together in person, and your
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.390
insistence that we were just
01:20:13.390 --> 01:20:14.080
friends,
01:20:14.540 --> 01:20:15.710
your goal seemingly was instead
01:20:15.710 --> 01:20:17.110
to spend time with me and see
01:20:17.110 --> 01:20:18.510
if I would change my mind and
01:20:18.510 --> 01:20:19.540
be open to a romantic
01:20:19.540 --> 01:20:20.620
relationship.
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:21.990
At that time, I felt like I
01:20:21.990 --> 01:20:23.420
finally had found a like-minded
01:20:23.420 --> 01:20:24.660
content creator and friend
01:20:24.660 --> 01:20:25.960
close and distant to me.
01:20:26.360 --> 01:20:27.280
I think I even said something
01:20:27.280 --> 01:20:28.280
along the lines of,
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:29.850
These feel like dates. I'm just
01:20:29.850 --> 01:20:30.970
making sure we're hanging out
01:20:30.970 --> 01:20:31.880
as friends, right?
01:20:32.380 --> 01:20:33.350
After you grew distance, I felt
01:20:33.350 --> 01:20:34.710
manipulated and pressured to
01:20:34.710 --> 01:20:35.850
say I was open to dating in
01:20:35.850 --> 01:20:36.830
order to not lose that
01:20:36.830 --> 01:20:37.640
friendship.
01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:39.000
You then dated Gabe's sister
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:40.410
over me and then asked about my
01:20:40.410 --> 01:20:42.100
dating availability immediately
01:20:42.100 --> 01:20:43.120
after that ended.
01:20:43.620 --> 01:20:44.270
I tried to play it off but was
01:20:44.270 --> 01:20:45.530
uncomfortable with the whole
01:20:45.530 --> 01:20:46.200
situation.
01:20:46.660 --> 01:20:47.580
I felt like I was only
01:20:47.580 --> 01:20:49.370
important to you if I was dateable,
01:20:49.370 --> 01:20:50.700
and a backup option at that.
01:20:51.020 --> 01:20:51.830
Would I have been treated the
01:20:51.830 --> 01:20:52.860
same way as a new potential
01:20:52.860 --> 01:20:53.650
friend if I was male
01:20:53.650 --> 01:20:54.360
identifying?
01:20:54.500 --> 01:20:55.500
This is the whole reason I went
01:20:55.500 --> 01:20:56.480
to your staff in the first
01:20:56.480 --> 01:20:57.720
place and not you directly.
01:20:58.140 --> 01:20:59.080
I felt objectified by my direct
01:20:59.080 --> 01:21:00.510
experiences towards you and did
01:21:00.510 --> 01:21:01.510
not wish to repeat said
01:21:01.510 --> 01:21:02.820
experiences for the sake of my
01:21:02.820 --> 01:21:03.860
own mental health.
01:21:04.100 --> 01:21:05.030
But you implied you needed the
01:21:05.030 --> 01:21:05.820
clarification.
01:21:06.280 --> 01:21:07.240
So there you go, buddy.
01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:08.750
At this point, I feel exacerbated
01:21:08.750 --> 01:21:10.010
with the favor I've given you
01:21:10.010 --> 01:21:11.380
and others, personally and
01:21:11.380 --> 01:21:12.280
professionally.
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:13.150
So I'll be ending the
01:21:13.150 --> 01:21:14.200
conversation here.
01:21:14.500 --> 01:21:15.600
To remind you, I am not a third
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:17.090
party in this situation trying
01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:18.460
to get cheap or easy views off
01:21:18.460 --> 01:21:20.020
a popular content creator.
01:21:20.320 --> 01:21:21.430
This is how Chris treated me
01:21:21.430 --> 01:21:22.400
behind my back.
01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:23.650
This is how he never owned up
01:21:23.650 --> 01:21:24.950
to those actions till I had to
01:21:24.950 --> 01:21:26.380
find out about them myself.
01:21:26.780 --> 01:21:27.760
This is how his behavior has
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:28.520
continued.
01:21:28.620 --> 01:21:29.770
This is how the greater DA
01:21:29.770 --> 01:21:30.940
Games community could be
01:21:30.940 --> 01:21:32.740
potentially harmful to children.
01:21:33.240 --> 01:21:34.550
This is on top of Chris' misogynistic,
01:21:34.550 --> 01:21:35.960
anti-semitic behavior that I
01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:37.120
stupidly forced myself to
01:21:37.120 --> 01:21:38.800
tolerate when he worked for me.
01:21:39.140 --> 01:21:40.040
And the fact that I have to sit
01:21:40.040 --> 01:21:41.220
here and fight and scream and
01:21:41.220 --> 01:21:42.380
kick for anyone to take this
01:21:42.380 --> 01:21:43.680
seriously is so emotionally
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:44.890
draining, triggering, and
01:21:44.890 --> 01:21:45.680
insulting.
01:21:45.980 --> 01:21:46.980
This whole situation has been a
01:21:46.980 --> 01:21:48.310
nightmare, but I'm not going to
01:21:48.310 --> 01:21:49.590
sit here and let everyone else
01:21:49.590 --> 01:21:50.880
pretend it's just a joke out of
01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:51.840
public convenience.
01:21:52.420 --> 01:21:53.320
And I would bet good money that
01:21:53.320 --> 01:21:54.840
he's still on your payroll.
01:21:55.240 --> 01:21:56.580
I'm at a loss for words.
01:21:57.660 --> 01:21:58.640
Frankly, I do not have the
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:00.050
patience or emotional bandwidth
01:22:00.050 --> 01:22:01.240
for your tone, your constant
01:22:01.240 --> 01:22:02.490
visualization, or to discuss
01:22:02.490 --> 01:22:03.630
this further with you at this
01:22:03.630 --> 01:22:04.870
point, for your own perceived
01:22:04.870 --> 01:22:05.940
direct benefit.
01:22:06.200 --> 01:22:07.160
To be blunt, you triggered the
01:22:07.160 --> 01:22:08.280
shit out of me, Steven.
01:22:08.700 --> 01:22:09.510
And I still tried multiple
01:22:09.510 --> 01:22:11.060
times to communicate with you,
01:22:11.060 --> 01:22:12.320
but ultimately was met with
01:22:12.320 --> 01:22:13.440
silence until now.
01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:14.820
You were screaming on Twitter
01:22:14.820 --> 01:22:16.070
like a child at me for months
01:22:16.070 --> 01:22:17.430
after trying to get any kind of
01:22:17.430 --> 01:22:19.130
internal word on Chris, and the
01:22:19.130 --> 01:22:20.650
information being in the public
01:22:20.650 --> 01:22:21.040
eye.
01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:22.850
And you still haven't fucking
01:22:22.850 --> 01:22:24.560
apologized for any of it.
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:25.930
How do you think this makes me
01:22:25.930 --> 01:22:26.380
feel?
01:22:26.380 --> 01:22:27.760
On top of that, only then to
01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:29.170
even be taking it seriously
01:22:29.170 --> 01:22:30.580
because I might make a video
01:22:30.580 --> 01:22:31.800
and hurt other people's
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:33.400
reputation really shows me how
01:22:33.400 --> 01:22:34.740
being affected by all this
01:22:34.740 --> 01:22:36.260
really matters in the long run
01:22:36.260 --> 01:22:36.980
to you.
01:22:37.360 --> 01:22:38.200
Sexual harassment?
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:39.760
Use of Nazi imagery?
01:22:40.180 --> 01:22:40.580
Pedophilia?
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.040
Fine to sweep it under the rug.
01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:43.040
Just don't bring it up on
01:22:43.040 --> 01:22:43.520
Twitter.
01:22:44.900 --> 01:22:45.900
Ramesses, you bring this upon
01:22:45.900 --> 01:22:46.960
yourself.
01:22:47.540 --> 01:22:48.140
Part whatever.
01:22:48.540 --> 01:22:49.540
Chris isn't the victim.
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:51.140
Chris isn't the victim.
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:52.800
I can't believe I have to even
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.080
have this segment, but with the
01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:55.490
implication of Steven's "what
01:22:55.490 --> 01:22:56.850
are you gonna do, record me?"
01:22:56.850 --> 01:22:57.980
comment on top of Chris's
01:22:57.980 --> 01:22:59.130
statement talking about the
01:22:59.130 --> 01:23:00.350
recording being without his
01:23:00.350 --> 01:23:01.080
knowledge.
01:23:01.280 --> 01:23:02.280
Let's just clear this up.
01:23:02.280 --> 01:23:03.860
So firstly, as already stated,
01:23:03.860 --> 01:23:05.270
I thought it was obvious that a
01:23:05.270 --> 01:23:06.730
call-up was being recorded for
01:23:06.730 --> 01:23:08.090
safety reasons because it's
01:23:08.090 --> 01:23:09.580
about sexual harassment.
01:23:10.100 --> 01:23:11.460
It's not like a fun call.
01:23:11.700 --> 01:23:13.300
Like, I thought it was obvious.
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:14.400
Obviously it wasn't.
01:23:14.580 --> 01:23:15.780
This isn't just someone calling
01:23:15.780 --> 01:23:16.800
me a bitch or something.
01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:17.820
Subliminally small.
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.190
Like, this is someone using the
01:23:19.190 --> 01:23:20.310
fact that I am a girl as a way
01:23:20.310 --> 01:23:21.570
to negatively sexualize me to
01:23:21.570 --> 01:23:23.100
make themselves feel better?
01:23:23.280 --> 01:23:24.360
Should I have to say that's not
01:23:24.360 --> 01:23:24.760
okay?
01:23:25.300 --> 01:23:26.210
Additionally, this is someone I
01:23:26.210 --> 01:23:27.550
trusted enough to represent me
01:23:27.550 --> 01:23:28.440
at a convention.
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:29.590
This isn't just some rando
01:23:29.590 --> 01:23:30.850
being a dick because he's mad
01:23:30.850 --> 01:23:31.900
at me for existing on the
01:23:31.900 --> 01:23:32.620
internet.
01:23:32.860 --> 01:23:33.720
I think that's why this sucks a
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:34.480
little bit more.
01:23:34.860 --> 01:23:35.300
Figures.
01:23:35.460 --> 01:23:37.170
Because bitches love bringing
01:23:37.170 --> 01:23:38.140
up old stuff.
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:43.030
Something else to keep in mind
01:23:43.030 --> 01:23:44.230
is the loss of reputation,
01:23:44.230 --> 01:23:45.740
which is hard to recover from.
01:23:45.740 --> 01:23:46.770
How do the receivers of the
01:23:46.770 --> 01:23:48.040
story, knowing that it's false
01:23:48.040 --> 01:23:49.250
or not, going to feel about the
01:23:49.250 --> 01:23:50.390
person who the story is being
01:23:50.390 --> 01:23:51.080
told about?
01:23:51.300 --> 01:23:52.060
I didn't know this was
01:23:52.060 --> 01:23:53.390
happening, and I can't defend
01:23:53.390 --> 01:23:54.700
myself or my reputation if I'm
01:23:54.700 --> 01:23:55.420
not there.
01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:56.440
If Will was a collaborator I
01:23:56.440 --> 01:23:57.600
was interested in working with
01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:58.400
at the time, he would
01:23:58.400 --> 01:23:59.390
definitely have negative
01:23:59.390 --> 01:24:00.550
feelings about working with me
01:24:00.550 --> 01:24:00.900
now.
01:24:01.100 --> 01:24:01.890
What happens if the story
01:24:01.890 --> 01:24:02.830
spreads or even becomes
01:24:02.830 --> 01:24:03.910
distorted through a game of
01:24:03.910 --> 01:24:05.240
telephone and changes depending
01:24:05.240 --> 01:24:06.040
on the teller?
01:24:06.280 --> 01:24:07.190
First impressions can last
01:24:07.190 --> 01:24:08.500
months or even years, and will
01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:09.940
psychologically affect personal
01:24:09.940 --> 01:24:11.040
treatment and ideals.
01:24:11.220 --> 01:24:12.330
Even the fact of contrary
01:24:12.330 --> 01:24:12.960
evidence.
01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:13.640
See?
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:14.800
The political landscape.
01:24:15.120 --> 01:24:15.870
This is not something Chris
01:24:15.870 --> 01:24:16.780
came to me about after it
01:24:16.780 --> 01:24:17.420
happening.
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:18.410
We seemingly had a decent
01:24:18.410 --> 01:24:19.560
rapport up to this point.
01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:20.660
Chris could have admitted this
01:24:20.660 --> 01:24:21.780
happened years ago, and I would
01:24:21.780 --> 01:24:22.970
have still been pissed, but at
01:24:22.970 --> 01:24:24.010
least he would have owned up to
01:24:24.010 --> 01:24:24.900
it and maybe made a public
01:24:24.900 --> 01:24:25.420
apology.
01:24:25.620 --> 01:24:26.720
But instead, I had to hear it
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:27.620
from a witness.
01:24:28.040 --> 01:24:29.120
It makes me feel like crap.
01:24:29.260 --> 01:24:30.110
It makes me feel like my
01:24:30.110 --> 01:24:31.600
personal comfort, safety, and
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:32.990
privacy is less important than
01:24:32.990 --> 01:24:34.540
convenience or the bro code.
01:24:34.540 --> 01:24:35.620
At the same point, I want to
01:24:35.620 --> 01:24:36.780
analyze the implications of
01:24:36.780 --> 01:24:37.620
mistreatment.
01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:39.230
Like, if Chris really felt this
01:24:39.230 --> 01:24:40.590
way, I don't know why it didn't
01:24:40.590 --> 01:24:41.820
come up at that moment he was
01:24:41.820 --> 01:24:43.260
making those jokes, or after,
01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:44.940
or even when I confronted him.
01:24:45.140 --> 01:24:46.010
It came up on an apology
01:24:46.010 --> 01:24:47.720
statement as a vague reference.
01:24:48.140 --> 01:24:49.610
This is actual sexualized art,
01:24:49.610 --> 01:24:50.920
a sexualized story.
01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:52.360
Buying me a Discord figure
01:24:52.360 --> 01:24:53.100
years ago.
01:24:53.400 --> 01:24:54.440
And he also made comments on my
01:24:54.440 --> 01:24:55.700
body when I did the ice bucket
01:24:55.700 --> 01:24:56.440
challenge.
01:24:56.700 --> 01:24:58.010
So, three sex things plus a
01:24:58.010 --> 01:24:59.640
potential romantic gesture.
01:25:00.020 --> 01:25:00.890
Chris maybe have been bitter
01:25:00.890 --> 01:25:02.190
because I didn't reciprocate
01:25:02.190 --> 01:25:03.820
romantic feelings or something.
01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:05.440
Turns out, editing for free isn't
01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:06.870
a winning strategy for dating
01:25:06.870 --> 01:25:07.180
KP.
01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:14.420
And then, things got worse.
01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:16.420
Hi, I'm Courtney.
01:25:17.020 --> 01:25:18.400
You may know me as Pete, or Orchard,
01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.050
but honestly, call me what you
01:25:20.050 --> 01:25:20.580
like.
01:25:21.140 --> 01:25:21.870
KP reached out to me a few
01:25:21.870 --> 01:25:23.480
weeks ago, asking me to cover
01:25:23.480 --> 01:25:25.250
the Gabe story in more detail,
01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:26.820
as she was busy working on this
01:25:26.820 --> 01:25:28.510
video here, and I unfortunately
01:25:28.510 --> 01:25:29.980
have a fair share of experience
01:25:29.980 --> 01:25:31.180
with recognizing online
01:25:31.180 --> 01:25:32.880
grooming, and am pretty unashamed
01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:34.380
in speaking out loudly against
01:25:34.380 --> 01:25:34.780
it.
01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:36.660
Gabriel C. Brown, also known as
01:25:36.660 --> 01:25:38.390
Black Griffin Online, has had
01:25:38.390 --> 01:25:39.330
growing speculations and
01:25:39.330 --> 01:25:40.450
concerns regarding his
01:25:40.450 --> 01:25:41.910
relationship with his now wife
01:25:41.910 --> 01:25:43.240
and voice actress of Sweetie
01:25:43.240 --> 01:25:44.620
Belle on My Little Pony.
01:25:45.460 --> 01:25:46.290
From most accounts, it looks as
01:25:46.290 --> 01:25:47.660
if Gabe had groomed his now
01:25:47.660 --> 01:25:49.350
wife from the time she was 14
01:25:49.350 --> 01:25:50.950
until she pursued him herself
01:25:50.950 --> 01:25:52.220
at the age of 20.
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:53.340
After their announced
01:25:53.340 --> 01:25:54.680
engagement and subsequent
01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:56.190
marriage, Gabe faced growing
01:25:56.190 --> 01:25:57.830
accusations online of grooming
01:25:57.830 --> 01:25:58.500
his wife.
01:25:58.860 --> 01:26:00.290
He dismissed the accusations,
01:26:00.290 --> 01:26:01.650
under the guise that he had not
01:26:01.650 --> 01:26:03.260
known her prior to her being 20,
01:26:03.260 --> 01:26:04.600
and any interactions they did
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:05.930
have while she was a minor were
01:26:05.930 --> 01:26:07.270
strictly professional and in
01:26:07.270 --> 01:26:08.720
convention spaces only.
01:26:09.420 --> 01:26:10.100
A Google document has since
01:26:10.100 --> 01:26:11.780
been created compiling evidence
01:26:11.780 --> 01:26:13.190
from Gabe and his wife's own
01:26:13.190 --> 01:26:14.660
Twitter and YouTube accounts
01:26:14.660 --> 01:26:16.220
proving these dismissals to be
01:26:16.220 --> 01:26:17.570
false, as well as proving
01:26:17.570 --> 01:26:18.980
multiple other instances of
01:26:18.980 --> 01:26:20.480
Gabe showcasing problematic
01:26:20.480 --> 01:26:21.220
behavior.
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:22.540
I've covered the topic in a
01:26:22.540 --> 01:26:24.220
little more depth in an hour-long
01:26:24.220 --> 01:26:25.840
video on my channel, which will
01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:27.100
no doubt be linked in the
01:26:27.100 --> 01:26:28.320
description below.
01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:29.610
Anyway, I'm sprinkled
01:26:29.610 --> 01:26:31.090
throughout this video a few
01:26:31.090 --> 01:26:32.620
times, so I shall see you all
01:26:32.620 --> 01:26:33.880
in my next segment.
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:37.250
I became a fan of Saber Spark
01:26:37.250 --> 01:26:40.780
when I was in high school when
01:26:40.780 --> 01:26:44.610
I found his essay titled Ballad
01:26:44.610 --> 01:26:48.740
of the Brony in 2011.
01:26:49.260 --> 01:26:50.990
After graduating and turning 18,
01:26:50.990 --> 01:26:52.460
I added him on Skype to tell
01:26:52.460 --> 01:26:54.080
him I was a big fan of his.
01:26:54.260 --> 01:26:55.350
He added me back almost
01:26:55.350 --> 01:26:56.480
instantly, and we had a
01:26:56.480 --> 01:26:57.930
conversation ending with him
01:26:57.930 --> 01:26:59.310
giving me his phone number,
01:26:59.310 --> 01:27:00.680
which was a really big deal to
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:01.990
me at the time since this was
01:27:01.990 --> 01:27:03.550
the first time interacting with
01:27:03.550 --> 01:27:04.960
any sort of celebrity.
01:27:05.220 --> 01:27:06.520
I had developed a parasocial
01:27:06.520 --> 01:27:08.580
crush on him due to being starstruck,
01:27:08.580 --> 01:27:10.020
which was something he was
01:27:10.020 --> 01:27:10.780
aware of.
01:27:10.940 --> 01:27:12.190
We would talk on Skype and text
01:27:12.190 --> 01:27:13.500
each other semi-frequently
01:27:13.500 --> 01:27:14.780
leading up to the first time
01:27:14.780 --> 01:27:15.620
meeting him.
01:27:15.820 --> 01:27:17.440
In 2012, I went to my first
01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:18.400
pony convention.
01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:19.780
This was my first time ever
01:27:19.780 --> 01:27:21.280
traveling by myself and was
01:27:21.280 --> 01:27:22.840
soon after the two of us became
01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:23.540
friends.
01:27:23.780 --> 01:27:24.720
When I met up with him in
01:27:24.720 --> 01:27:26.210
person, he invited me to his
01:27:26.210 --> 01:27:27.770
hotel room and he showed me the
01:27:27.770 --> 01:27:29.130
video he was editing on his
01:27:29.130 --> 01:27:30.320
laptop, causing me to
01:27:30.320 --> 01:27:31.720
internally geek out.
01:27:32.140 --> 01:27:33.180
I was really nervous being
01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:34.820
alone in a hotel with someone I
01:27:34.820 --> 01:27:36.130
was a huge fan of and had a
01:27:36.130 --> 01:27:37.700
crush on, but I tried to play
01:27:37.700 --> 01:27:38.460
it cool.
01:27:38.460 --> 01:27:39.890
He was four to five years older
01:27:39.890 --> 01:27:41.250
than me, making me feel more
01:27:41.250 --> 01:27:42.660
nervous and out of place.
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:44.230
He would bring up the prospects
01:27:44.230 --> 01:27:45.670
of the two of us dating and how
01:27:45.670 --> 01:27:47.120
it didn't feel right for us to
01:27:47.120 --> 01:27:47.640
do so.
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:48.910
After that, he almost
01:27:48.910 --> 01:27:50.710
immediately initiated making
01:27:50.710 --> 01:27:52.120
out with me and guided me to
01:27:52.120 --> 01:27:52.820
his bed.
01:27:53.020 --> 01:27:54.280
In this moment, he did not
01:27:54.280 --> 01:27:56.100
directly ask me for consent.
01:27:56.280 --> 01:27:57.570
I was thrown onto his bed and
01:27:57.570 --> 01:27:59.540
he would insert himself into me.
01:27:59.740 --> 01:28:00.770
Saber Spark was also
01:28:00.770 --> 01:28:02.420
significantly larger than me,
01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:04.250
as I was an 80-something pound
01:28:04.250 --> 01:28:05.690
18-year-old girl, so I
01:28:05.690 --> 01:28:07.520
physically could not stop him.
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:09.020
I felt extremely nervous and
01:28:09.020 --> 01:28:10.540
uncomfortable because I had
01:28:10.540 --> 01:28:12.120
never experienced having any
01:28:12.120 --> 01:28:13.620
sort of sexual intimacy with
01:28:13.620 --> 01:28:15.610
someone I was not dating before,
01:28:15.610 --> 01:28:17.140
much less someone I just met.
01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:18.340
I was very new to meeting
01:28:18.340 --> 01:28:19.920
people online in general.
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:21.300
At that moment, I laid there
01:28:21.300 --> 01:28:22.600
dissociating as I felt very
01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:24.270
wrong while trying to rationalize
01:28:24.270 --> 01:28:25.400
it in my head to convince
01:28:25.400 --> 01:28:26.880
myself it was a safe and normal
01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:27.700
encounter.
01:28:27.940 --> 01:28:29.220
He rushed off to clean and
01:28:29.220 --> 01:28:30.800
finish himself and came back to
01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:32.650
the bed and offered me a handshake,
01:28:32.650 --> 01:28:33.220
saying,
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:34.740
Friends, this would cause me,
01:28:34.740 --> 01:28:36.100
for the rest of the event, to
01:28:36.100 --> 01:28:37.560
feel that I was taken advantage
01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:38.880
of and ashamed of myself for
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:39.880
not trying to stop the
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:40.820
interaction.
01:28:41.080 --> 01:28:42.530
Though I tried pretending I was
01:28:42.530 --> 01:28:44.170
fine to everyone around me, I
01:28:44.170 --> 01:28:45.820
was and still am demisexual,
01:28:45.820 --> 01:28:47.470
and being put in that position
01:28:47.470 --> 01:28:49.240
was not something I wanted.
01:28:49.240 --> 01:28:50.600
I maintained the friendship
01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:51.840
until a second occurrence
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.110
happening at a completely
01:28:53.110 --> 01:28:55.060
different PonyCon in 2013.
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:57.080
This time we met in a public
01:28:57.080 --> 01:28:58.670
space, but had no one around
01:28:58.670 --> 01:29:00.140
and talked for a while.
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:01.400
He kept bringing out the
01:29:01.400 --> 01:29:02.780
prospects of us starting a
01:29:02.780 --> 01:29:04.460
relationship, but how it felt
01:29:04.460 --> 01:29:05.000
wrong.
01:29:05.200 --> 01:29:06.610
He would grab my hand, saying
01:29:06.610 --> 01:29:08.240
how it felt so right, only to
01:29:08.240 --> 01:29:09.880
push my hand away, saying, but
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:10.600
so wrong.
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:12.140
I had decided that my crush on
01:29:12.140 --> 01:29:13.690
him was something I needed to
01:29:13.690 --> 01:29:15.360
get over because I felt that my
01:29:15.360 --> 01:29:17.300
emotions were being toyed with.
01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:18.850
He then suggested going to a
01:29:18.850 --> 01:29:20.640
more public space around others,
01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:22.110
and we went into the elevator
01:29:22.110 --> 01:29:23.770
to go up to the lobby of the PonyCon
01:29:23.770 --> 01:29:24.380
Hotel.
01:29:25.180 --> 01:29:26.240
As soon as the door closed, Saber
01:29:26.240 --> 01:29:27.570
Spark forcefully shoved me
01:29:27.570 --> 01:29:29.200
against the wall and shoved his
01:29:29.200 --> 01:29:30.660
tongue down my throat.
01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:32.770
It scared me and actually hurt,
01:29:32.770 --> 01:29:34.780
triggering another attack of
01:29:34.780 --> 01:29:36.000
dissociation.
01:29:36.260 --> 01:29:37.400
Once again, he did not ask for
01:29:37.400 --> 01:29:38.790
consent when throwing me into
01:29:38.790 --> 01:29:39.740
this situation.
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:41.230
Once the doors opened and
01:29:41.230 --> 01:29:42.950
people were present, this led
01:29:42.950 --> 01:29:44.640
me to feel very embarrassed.
01:29:45.380 --> 01:29:46.990
He got off me and took my hand
01:29:46.990 --> 01:29:48.460
and guided me towards the
01:29:48.460 --> 01:29:50.240
stairs to go back down to where
01:29:50.240 --> 01:29:51.820
we just were and into a men's
01:29:51.820 --> 01:29:53.500
restroom where he pulled his
01:29:53.500 --> 01:29:55.250
pants down and guided my hands
01:29:55.250 --> 01:29:57.000
and head to perform oral sex on
01:29:57.000 --> 01:29:57.460
him.
01:29:57.640 --> 01:29:58.900
I was afraid of denying him
01:29:58.900 --> 01:30:00.250
because of past experiences
01:30:00.250 --> 01:30:01.660
with sexual assault, so I did
01:30:01.660 --> 01:30:03.020
it to get it over with without
01:30:03.020 --> 01:30:04.540
wanting to cause a problem.
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:06.150
Where he would ejaculate on my
01:30:06.150 --> 01:30:08.020
face, apologize profusely, and
01:30:08.020 --> 01:30:09.830
then offer the same handshake,
01:30:09.830 --> 01:30:10.780
as he did at the con I
01:30:10.780 --> 01:30:12.540
initially met him, saying,
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:13.080
Friends?
01:30:13.580 --> 01:30:14.860
Despite pretending I was fine,
01:30:14.860 --> 01:30:16.570
I had slowly begun pulling away
01:30:16.570 --> 01:30:17.780
from Saber Spark.
01:30:17.780 --> 01:30:19.040
I cried that night while
01:30:19.040 --> 01:30:20.250
staying with a friend but
01:30:20.250 --> 01:30:21.760
waited for that friend to fall
01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:23.190
asleep so no one could hear me
01:30:23.190 --> 01:30:24.740
and I would cry for months,
01:30:24.740 --> 01:30:26.300
feeling ashamed of myself for
01:30:26.300 --> 01:30:27.900
putting myself in a compromising
01:30:27.900 --> 01:30:29.620
situation with someone I hardly
01:30:29.620 --> 01:30:29.980
knew.
01:30:29.980 --> 01:30:31.150
I had always felt taken
01:30:31.150 --> 01:30:32.560
advantage of by him and tried
01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:34.130
being friendly and pretending
01:30:34.130 --> 01:30:35.580
nothing was wrong because it
01:30:35.580 --> 01:30:36.860
was all I knew how to do.
01:30:37.280 --> 01:30:38.350
I would blame myself for the
01:30:38.350 --> 01:30:39.990
interactions for years, only
01:30:39.990 --> 01:30:41.270
opening up to a few close
01:30:41.270 --> 01:30:43.070
people, questioning if consent
01:30:43.070 --> 01:30:45.060
was implied because of my crush.
01:30:45.240 --> 01:30:46.660
An unwillingness and fear to
01:30:46.660 --> 01:30:48.050
outright stop the advances
01:30:48.050 --> 01:30:49.560
because of how uncomfortable I
01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:50.040
felt.
01:30:50.280 --> 01:30:51.420
I understand that there is a
01:30:51.420 --> 01:30:52.680
possibility that he felt
01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:54.240
consent was implied because he
01:30:54.240 --> 01:30:55.640
knew I had a crush on him.
01:30:55.740 --> 01:30:57.310
However, he did not once ask
01:30:57.310 --> 01:30:58.850
for consent directly and was
01:30:58.850 --> 01:31:00.340
instead thrown into these
01:31:00.340 --> 01:31:02.300
sexual encounters, usually very
01:31:02.300 --> 01:31:03.160
suddenly.
01:31:03.160 --> 01:31:04.990
There were no discussions about
01:31:04.990 --> 01:31:06.740
the power dynamic between us as
01:31:06.740 --> 01:31:08.460
a popular content creator and a
01:31:08.460 --> 01:31:09.580
fan at any time.
01:31:09.820 --> 01:31:10.750
I was also a fan of the power
01:31:10.750 --> 01:31:12.100
dynamic between us and my parasocial
01:31:12.100 --> 01:31:13.010
connection to him and not
01:31:13.010 --> 01:31:14.110
wanting someone I was a fan of
01:31:14.110 --> 01:31:15.050
to hate me if I rejected him,
01:31:15.050 --> 01:31:16.090
leaving me afraid to stop his
01:31:16.090 --> 01:31:16.860
advances.
01:31:16.860 --> 01:31:18.540
Over time I grew increasingly
01:31:18.540 --> 01:31:20.210
distant and would eventually
01:31:20.210 --> 01:31:21.820
end contact completely.
01:31:21.820 --> 01:31:23.220
I don't feel safe enough to
01:31:23.220 --> 01:31:24.690
fully come forward because I
01:31:24.690 --> 01:31:26.320
don't want his fans and friends
01:31:26.320 --> 01:31:27.500
or even him to harass or
01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:28.860
contact me publicly.
01:31:28.860 --> 01:31:31.110
I wish to stay anonymous so I
01:31:31.110 --> 01:31:32.880
can avoid the anxiety and
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:34.990
stress of being targeted by
01:31:34.990 --> 01:31:37.350
either him, his friends, and
01:31:37.350 --> 01:31:39.360
especially his fans.
01:31:39.360 --> 01:31:40.990
As Saber Spark has over 2
01:31:40.990 --> 01:31:42.910
million subscribers and even
01:31:42.910 --> 01:31:44.640
sharing my story at all has me
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:46.400
feeling really afraid.
01:31:46.400 --> 01:31:48.040
I have seen other instances of
01:31:48.040 --> 01:31:49.760
Saber Spark using his enormous
01:31:49.760 --> 01:31:51.360
platform to confront people
01:31:51.360 --> 01:31:53.360
online he has had conflict with.
01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:55.060
I have also witnessed several
01:31:55.060 --> 01:31:56.490
instances of his friends
01:31:56.490 --> 01:31:58.270
attempting to justify him and
01:31:58.270 --> 01:31:59.360
others actions.
01:31:59.360 --> 01:32:00.750
I was not made aware of his
01:32:00.750 --> 01:32:02.280
jokes about consent and his
01:32:02.280 --> 01:32:04.150
recent behavior involving Chris
01:32:04.150 --> 01:32:05.690
until only recently and had
01:32:05.690 --> 01:32:07.360
left my stomach in knots.
01:32:07.360 --> 01:32:09.320
I please ask above all else for
01:32:09.320 --> 01:32:11.360
my privacy to be respected.
01:32:11.360 --> 01:32:12.980
I don't wish to publicly defend
01:32:12.980 --> 01:32:14.660
my personal experience and just
01:32:14.660 --> 01:32:16.360
wish to share my experience.
01:32:16.360 --> 01:32:17.930
So welcome to the video where
01:32:17.930 --> 01:32:19.550
we break this down a little bit
01:32:19.550 --> 01:32:20.990
more and talk about what is
01:32:20.990 --> 01:32:22.970
consent because yeah it's an
01:32:22.970 --> 01:32:24.360
important discussion here.
01:32:24.360 --> 01:32:25.680
So because this is a really
01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:27.310
serious conversation and I know
01:32:27.310 --> 01:32:28.750
almost nothing about sexual
01:32:28.750 --> 01:32:31.340
assault, I invited Courtney
01:32:31.340 --> 01:32:32.360
again.
01:32:32.360 --> 01:32:34.030
She's all over this video to
01:32:34.030 --> 01:32:35.930
talk about like what is consent
01:32:35.930 --> 01:32:37.830
and when's consent is there and
01:32:37.830 --> 01:32:39.360
when it's not there.
01:32:39.360 --> 01:32:41.360
We're having a great time here
01:32:41.360 --> 01:32:43.120
at the worst video ever and
01:32:43.120 --> 01:32:44.960
just kind of break it down so
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:47.050
we have a better understanding
01:32:47.050 --> 01:32:49.210
and all you nerds out there don't
01:32:49.210 --> 01:32:51.300
do something really really bad
01:32:51.300 --> 01:32:52.360
like this.
01:32:52.360 --> 01:32:55.190
Don't do it guys. Don't. Don't
01:32:55.190 --> 01:32:56.360
do it.
01:32:56.360 --> 01:32:58.770
Hi again Courtney. Welcome. You'll
01:32:58.770 --> 01:33:00.470
be in the video everywhere at
01:33:00.470 --> 01:33:01.360
this point.
01:33:01.360 --> 01:33:03.930
Hello everybody. It is I. I
01:33:03.930 --> 01:33:07.130
have returned once again. So
01:33:07.130 --> 01:33:08.360
happy to be here.
01:33:08.360 --> 01:33:10.930
So I've shown you the testimony
01:33:10.930 --> 01:33:13.680
at this point. What what are
01:33:13.680 --> 01:33:15.530
your general vibes on it
01:33:15.530 --> 01:33:18.200
besides icky and sad and I don't
01:33:18.200 --> 01:33:20.730
know this is just like super
01:33:20.730 --> 01:33:23.110
triggering to me because yeah
01:33:23.110 --> 01:33:25.660
so I thought I'd also bring you
01:33:25.660 --> 01:33:28.000
in there bring you in here to
01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.360
hold my hand during this but
01:33:30.360 --> 01:33:31.360
yeah.
01:33:31.360 --> 01:33:34.000
In terms of the testimony it's
01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.930
just it's just kind of
01:33:35.930 --> 01:33:38.760
heartbreaking really. It's just
01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:40.140
it's always heartbreaking to me
01:33:40.140 --> 01:33:41.460
when people question their own
01:33:41.460 --> 01:33:42.790
sexual assault just because of
01:33:42.790 --> 01:33:44.360
the lack of education around it.
01:33:44.360 --> 01:33:47.360
And like something that I just
01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:49.270
want to say to anybody out
01:33:49.270 --> 01:33:51.830
there is a consensual sexual
01:33:51.830 --> 01:33:54.540
encounter is never something
01:33:54.540 --> 01:33:56.790
you're going to question
01:33:56.790 --> 01:33:58.360
afterwards.
01:33:58.360 --> 01:34:00.640
Okay. Like you just don't
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.360
question a consensual encounter.
01:34:03.360 --> 01:34:05.980
Sure. You may have a consensual
01:34:05.980 --> 01:34:08.490
encounter that's unsatisfying.
01:34:08.490 --> 01:34:09.880
You may have one that you you
01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:11.520
know regret that might you may
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:13.090
look back on one and go you
01:34:13.090 --> 01:34:14.150
know if I can make that
01:34:14.150 --> 01:34:15.520
decision again I probably
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:16.360
wouldn't.
01:34:16.360 --> 01:34:20.220
But people don't question consensual
01:34:20.220 --> 01:34:23.250
sexual experiences with did I
01:34:23.250 --> 01:34:26.320
just get violated to be quite
01:34:26.320 --> 01:34:27.360
honest.
01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:29.380
And like the other thing that
01:34:29.380 --> 01:34:31.160
kind of breaks my heart is
01:34:31.160 --> 01:34:32.840
there's one point in her
01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:35.300
testimony where where she
01:34:35.300 --> 01:34:37.000
questions if if I'm remembering
01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:39.220
this correctly that like maybe
01:34:39.220 --> 01:34:41.310
she was at fault because she
01:34:41.310 --> 01:34:43.080
had a crush on him like maybe
01:34:43.080 --> 01:34:45.040
she gave the wrong signal or
01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:46.360
something.
01:34:46.360 --> 01:34:48.790
Maybe she implied something or
01:34:48.790 --> 01:34:51.230
he thought consent was implied
01:34:51.230 --> 01:34:53.280
because he knew there was a
01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:55.040
crush on her like in all
01:34:55.040 --> 01:34:57.290
honesty the consent is never
01:34:57.290 --> 01:34:59.620
implied like even even secure
01:34:59.620 --> 01:35:01.760
confident individuals in a
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:04.180
sexual encounter will check in
01:35:04.180 --> 01:35:06.480
with their partner as things
01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:08.760
escalate and change gears and
01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:10.900
they'll say things like you
01:35:10.900 --> 01:35:12.940
know are you okay should we
01:35:12.940 --> 01:35:15.360
keep going is this good.
01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:17.910
Like because consent is not
01:35:17.910 --> 01:35:20.590
something that is implied. It's
01:35:20.590 --> 01:35:22.370
never something that's implied.
01:35:22.370 --> 01:35:25.250
It's it's not you know an
01:35:25.250 --> 01:35:28.570
absence of a no is not a yes in
01:35:28.570 --> 01:35:31.470
any regard an absence of
01:35:31.470 --> 01:35:35.090
resistance is not compliance
01:35:35.090 --> 01:35:37.910
and even in that regard
01:35:37.910 --> 01:35:42.360
compliance is not an invitation.
01:35:42.360 --> 01:35:44.580
because this girl had a crush
01:35:44.580 --> 01:35:46.600
on saber it was okay that he
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:48.460
just kind of initiated
01:35:48.460 --> 01:35:50.970
things and then especially too
01:35:50.970 --> 01:35:53.080
in the elevator in a public
01:35:53.080 --> 01:35:55.330
space when he's just much
01:35:55.330 --> 01:35:56.800
larger than her
01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.220
like physically i don't know it's
01:35:59.220 --> 01:36:01.170
it's all icky but like what
01:36:01.170 --> 01:36:03.320
what would you define consent
01:36:03.320 --> 01:36:03.840
as and
01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:06.100
when would you define like
01:36:06.100 --> 01:36:08.490
obviously this isn't it for
01:36:08.490 --> 01:36:10.980
sure but go ahead and in terms
01:36:10.980 --> 01:36:11.820
of like a
01:36:11.820 --> 01:36:14.600
definition of consent and what
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:16.720
it is and what it isn't um
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:18.960
consent is an excited yes
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:20.000
consent is
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:23.090
exuberant um what's the word i'm
01:36:23.090 --> 01:36:26.060
looking for um payback for lack
01:36:26.060 --> 01:36:28.780
of a better term i guess like
01:36:28.780 --> 01:36:31.230
two people in a consensual
01:36:31.230 --> 01:36:33.950
encounter engage in a give and
01:36:33.950 --> 01:36:36.410
take like it's never just one
01:36:36.410 --> 01:36:37.600
person doing
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:39.910
all of the action and the other
01:36:39.910 --> 01:36:42.210
person just laying there like
01:36:42.210 --> 01:36:44.240
like a bump on a log you know
01:36:44.240 --> 01:36:44.880
it's an
01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:47.550
action that two people engage
01:36:47.550 --> 01:36:50.220
in when it's consensual um nine
01:36:50.220 --> 01:36:52.890
times out of ten when it's one
01:36:52.890 --> 01:36:53.900
person just
01:36:53.900 --> 01:36:56.750
using another person's body for
01:36:56.750 --> 01:36:59.650
sexual gratification that's not
01:36:59.650 --> 01:37:02.240
a consensual encounter that is
01:37:02.240 --> 01:37:02.880
just a
01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:06.560
violation of somebody's person
01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:09.770
and it's actually pretty common
01:37:09.770 --> 01:37:12.820
for like sexual aggressors to
01:37:12.820 --> 01:37:13.460
attack
01:37:13.460 --> 01:37:15.750
somebody like in a in a innocuous
01:37:15.750 --> 01:37:17.320
sort of sense like in the
01:37:17.320 --> 01:37:19.380
elevator especially at like a
01:37:19.380 --> 01:37:20.340
convention
01:37:20.340 --> 01:37:22.680
or something like that in
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.360
public because it sort of um
01:37:25.360 --> 01:37:28.090
dissuades the the the target or
01:37:28.090 --> 01:37:29.500
the victim from
01:37:29.500 --> 01:37:31.630
actually saying anything
01:37:31.630 --> 01:37:33.100
because like half the time
01:37:33.100 --> 01:37:35.020
people will think well this is
01:37:35.020 --> 01:37:36.340
being done in public
01:37:36.340 --> 01:37:38.130
surely somebody's gonna say
01:37:38.130 --> 01:37:39.910
something so i don't have to
01:37:39.910 --> 01:37:41.400
but the other part of them
01:37:41.400 --> 01:37:42.460
doesn't want to
01:37:42.460 --> 01:37:43.370
cause a scene and be
01:37:43.370 --> 01:37:44.880
embarrassed because they're
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:46.380
already embarrassed by the fact
01:37:46.380 --> 01:37:47.400
that they're being
01:37:47.400 --> 01:37:49.140
attacked the fact that pda in
01:37:49.140 --> 01:37:50.880
general is seen as like a sort
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.860
of cringy embarrassing thing
01:37:52.860 --> 01:37:53.820
and like
01:37:53.820 --> 01:37:55.310
they don't want to draw more
01:37:55.310 --> 01:37:56.990
attention to themselves
01:37:56.990 --> 01:37:58.100
especially while they're
01:37:58.100 --> 01:37:59.500
dealing with the fact that
01:37:59.500 --> 01:38:01.450
they're being attacked and part
01:38:01.450 --> 01:38:02.820
of them just hopes that
01:38:02.820 --> 01:38:04.320
somebody's going to do it
01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:05.920
anyway like like step
01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:07.920
in and say something anyway and
01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:09.590
the problem with with the
01:38:09.590 --> 01:38:11.610
public general public is they
01:38:11.610 --> 01:38:12.620
sort of fall into
01:38:12.620 --> 01:38:14.310
the someone else will deal with
01:38:14.310 --> 01:38:16.080
it mentality whereas everybody
01:38:16.080 --> 01:38:17.720
sort of assumes that somebody
01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:18.540
else is going
01:38:18.540 --> 01:38:20.460
to step in and say something so
01:38:20.460 --> 01:38:22.190
they therefore then won't well
01:38:22.190 --> 01:38:24.750
the other thing i wanted to
01:38:24.750 --> 01:38:26.320
throw in there too
01:38:26.320 --> 01:38:28.160
is um nothing that's illegal
01:38:28.160 --> 01:38:29.880
but kind of the parasocial
01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:31.790
relationship of like you know
01:38:31.790 --> 01:38:33.980
it's always it seems
01:38:33.980 --> 01:38:35.480
like it's a common thing where
01:38:35.480 --> 01:38:36.860
like you know back in the day
01:38:36.860 --> 01:38:38.240
rock stars would sleep with
01:38:38.240 --> 01:38:39.420
their groupies kind of
01:38:39.420 --> 01:38:41.670
thing but now it's kind of more
01:38:41.670 --> 01:38:43.730
disgust that that's a power
01:38:43.730 --> 01:38:46.080
dynamic that shouldn't really
01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:47.100
be abused and
01:38:47.100 --> 01:38:48.720
especially when you don't
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:50.590
really know someone in person
01:38:50.590 --> 01:38:52.080
you know like um from the
01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:53.480
testimony this is her
01:38:53.480 --> 01:38:55.720
first time in person with saber
01:38:55.720 --> 01:38:57.700
and he immediately jumps not
01:38:57.700 --> 01:38:59.900
immediately but he pretty much
01:38:59.900 --> 01:39:01.280
immediately jumps
01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:03.380
on her so that also kind of
01:39:03.380 --> 01:39:05.780
gave me a big ick any thoughts
01:39:05.780 --> 01:39:08.080
on that and one other thing i
01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:09.400
wanted to add in
01:39:09.400 --> 01:39:12.060
is that you know confident
01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:13.810
individuals in a sexual
01:39:13.810 --> 01:39:16.540
encounter don't have to assume
01:39:16.540 --> 01:39:18.220
that consent is there
01:39:18.220 --> 01:39:20.980
because they will ask and to be
01:39:20.980 --> 01:39:23.840
honest the only time you're not
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.820
asking or checking for consent
01:39:26.820 --> 01:39:27.940
is because
01:39:27.940 --> 01:39:30.770
you know yourself that the yes
01:39:30.770 --> 01:39:33.590
is not there and you don't want
01:39:33.590 --> 01:39:36.190
to hear the no so you will not
01:39:36.190 --> 01:39:37.400
ask okay
01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:39.420
because if you think consent is
01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:41.120
complied and you think the
01:39:41.120 --> 01:39:42.970
person that is you know on the
01:39:42.970 --> 01:39:43.720
other end
01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:45.900
of it is actively participating
01:39:45.900 --> 01:39:48.270
if you know the answer is going
01:39:48.270 --> 01:39:50.350
to be yes then what do you have
01:39:50.350 --> 01:39:50.680
to
01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:53.060
lose by just asking and being a
01:39:53.060 --> 01:39:55.030
responsible individual when it
01:39:55.030 --> 01:39:57.730
comes to sexual practice and
01:39:57.730 --> 01:39:58.720
just asking
01:39:58.720 --> 01:40:01.340
and the difference between like
01:40:01.340 --> 01:40:04.710
rock stars sleeping with groupies
01:40:04.710 --> 01:40:07.270
comes down to like literally
01:40:07.270 --> 01:40:08.100
consent
01:40:08.100 --> 01:40:10.250
like there's a big difference
01:40:10.250 --> 01:40:12.580
between you know the chick who's
01:40:12.580 --> 01:40:14.380
going to see the rock star
01:40:14.380 --> 01:40:15.360
perform and
01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:17.250
like flashing her titties while
01:40:17.250 --> 01:40:19.080
he's performing and then going
01:40:19.080 --> 01:40:20.890
and flashing her titties to the
01:40:20.890 --> 01:40:21.660
bouncer to
01:40:21.660 --> 01:40:23.410
get backstage and then flashing
01:40:23.410 --> 01:40:24.850
her titties in the rock star's
01:40:24.850 --> 01:40:26.310
face probably making out with
01:40:26.310 --> 01:40:27.320
them a bit of her own
01:40:27.320 --> 01:40:29.140
volition and one of them saying
01:40:29.140 --> 01:40:30.820
hey let's go back and sleep in
01:40:30.820 --> 01:40:32.640
the van like there are multiple
01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:33.340
instances
01:40:33.340 --> 01:40:35.000
where consent is very very
01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.810
clearly given by the groupie
01:40:36.810 --> 01:40:38.830
sleeping with a rock star and
01:40:38.830 --> 01:40:39.500
like yeah there
01:40:39.500 --> 01:40:41.740
may be a certain power dynamic
01:40:41.740 --> 01:40:43.490
and like there absolutely is
01:40:43.490 --> 01:40:45.310
multiple instances of rock
01:40:45.310 --> 01:40:45.680
stars
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:47.000
abusing that to be like hey
01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:48.380
well i'm famous show me your
01:40:48.380 --> 01:40:49.640
titties but there's a big
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:51.000
difference between going
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:52.370
hey i'm famous show me your
01:40:52.370 --> 01:40:54.050
titties and someone going i'm
01:40:54.050 --> 01:40:55.560
showing you my titties because
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:56.420
i want to sleep
01:40:56.420 --> 01:40:58.820
with you right like just just
01:40:58.820 --> 01:41:00.920
the act of like basically
01:41:00.920 --> 01:41:03.420
showing you my titties is in in
01:41:03.420 --> 01:41:04.480
most circumstances
01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:07.290
an invitation to touch my body
01:41:07.290 --> 01:41:09.620
okay in no way is i'm a big fan
01:41:09.620 --> 01:41:12.420
of yours an invitation to touch
01:41:12.420 --> 01:41:14.020
somebody's body
01:41:14.020 --> 01:41:15.830
and i also find it really
01:41:15.830 --> 01:41:17.920
really weird that this dude
01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:20.400
meets a fan gets the inkling
01:41:20.400 --> 01:41:22.320
she has a crush on him
01:41:22.320 --> 01:41:24.530
so he invites her back to his
01:41:24.530 --> 01:41:26.960
hotel room okay like getting
01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:28.970
invited back to the hotel room
01:41:28.970 --> 01:41:30.720
has sexual connotations
01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:32.690
and the fact that she didn't
01:41:32.690 --> 01:41:34.670
realize that just shows how
01:41:34.670 --> 01:41:36.820
naive she was and the fact that
01:41:36.820 --> 01:41:38.060
none of that was
01:41:38.060 --> 01:41:40.850
communicated because clearly he
01:41:40.850 --> 01:41:42.590
knew what he was inviting her
01:41:42.590 --> 01:41:45.200
back to the hotel room for but
01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:46.200
she didn't
01:41:46.200 --> 01:41:48.150
and that just gives me like
01:41:48.150 --> 01:41:50.360
major the major ick to be quite
01:41:50.360 --> 01:41:51.840
honest because like
01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:53.730
it's really as if saber is
01:41:53.730 --> 01:41:55.980
acting like he's gene simmons
01:41:55.980 --> 01:41:58.140
inviting you back to you know
01:41:58.140 --> 01:41:59.540
the the hotel room
01:41:59.540 --> 01:42:03.270
when in reality he's a pudgy brony
01:42:03.270 --> 01:42:06.390
youtuber showing you his his
01:42:06.390 --> 01:42:09.770
animations before he shows you
01:42:09.770 --> 01:42:10.820
his dick
01:42:10.820 --> 01:42:12.640
like that's not the same thing
01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:13.060
at all
01:42:13.060 --> 01:42:14.790
like you think there is some
01:42:14.790 --> 01:42:16.370
kind of weird parasocial
01:42:16.370 --> 01:42:17.960
dynamic too that she felt
01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:19.020
uncomfortable
01:42:19.020 --> 01:42:21.020
you know advocating for herself
01:42:21.020 --> 01:42:22.580
because like oh this is the
01:42:22.580 --> 01:42:24.380
real saber spark tm like i don't
01:42:24.380 --> 01:42:25.500
want to feel like
01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:27.880
you know he might say something
01:42:27.880 --> 01:42:29.960
on twitter you know blast me
01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.520
publicly like is there pressure
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:33.080
just
01:42:33.080 --> 01:42:34.470
generally speaking when
01:42:34.470 --> 01:42:36.260
celebrities you know have those
01:42:36.260 --> 01:42:37.900
kind of encounters with fans i
01:42:37.900 --> 01:42:38.340
guess
01:42:38.340 --> 01:42:39.780
of course she would have felt
01:42:39.780 --> 01:42:41.360
uncomfortable advocating for
01:42:41.360 --> 01:42:42.080
herself like
01:42:42.080 --> 01:42:43.940
most most fans don't get to
01:42:43.940 --> 01:42:45.900
meet their idol in person so
01:42:45.900 --> 01:42:48.030
meeting your idol in person is
01:42:48.030 --> 01:42:49.180
already a very
01:42:49.180 --> 01:42:50.740
um like exalted sort of status
01:42:50.740 --> 01:42:52.470
like that's something most fans
01:42:52.470 --> 01:42:54.150
dream of but never actually get
01:42:54.150 --> 01:42:54.340
to
01:42:54.340 --> 01:42:55.510
so once you put a fan in the
01:42:55.510 --> 01:42:57.080
situation where they're meeting
01:42:57.080 --> 01:42:58.600
their idol in person something
01:42:58.600 --> 01:42:59.750
they dream probably never
01:42:59.750 --> 01:43:01.150
thought would happen but always
01:43:01.150 --> 01:43:02.160
dreamed would happen
01:43:02.160 --> 01:43:03.860
no fan is going to do something
01:43:03.860 --> 01:43:05.500
that's going to jeopardize that
01:43:05.500 --> 01:43:07.340
and that includes offending
01:43:07.340 --> 01:43:08.180
their idol
01:43:08.180 --> 01:43:10.420
and like it's it the idol knows
01:43:10.420 --> 01:43:12.320
that and for like say like
01:43:12.320 --> 01:43:14.300
anybody to sit there and be
01:43:14.300 --> 01:43:15.060
like well
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:16.430
you know what if what if so and
01:43:16.430 --> 01:43:17.810
so wasn't aware of the power
01:43:17.810 --> 01:43:19.180
dynamic like they always know
01:43:19.180 --> 01:43:19.900
you can always
01:43:19.900 --> 01:43:22.330
tell you can always feel it you
01:43:22.330 --> 01:43:25.320
can tell when somebody is fangirling
01:43:25.320 --> 01:43:27.300
and to like for someone
01:43:27.300 --> 01:43:28.700
who's going to sit there and
01:43:28.700 --> 01:43:30.180
pray on that and be like well i
01:43:30.180 --> 01:43:31.700
know you're not going to say no
01:43:31.700 --> 01:43:32.080
to me
01:43:32.080 --> 01:43:33.800
or at least give me a hard
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:36.210
boundary that could possibly
01:43:36.210 --> 01:43:37.640
offend me so i'm going to
01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:39.260
exploit that by asking
01:43:39.260 --> 01:43:41.820
things of you that i know you
01:43:41.820 --> 01:43:44.090
wouldn't say yes to in any
01:43:44.090 --> 01:43:47.010
other situation and like to be
01:43:47.010 --> 01:43:48.700
quite honest no fan
01:43:48.700 --> 01:43:50.410
is going to do anything most
01:43:50.410 --> 01:43:52.070
sorry most fans are not going
01:43:52.070 --> 01:43:53.870
to do anything other than fall
01:43:53.870 --> 01:43:54.540
into line
01:43:54.540 --> 01:43:56.100
with that because again they're
01:43:56.100 --> 01:43:57.490
getting to an exalted status of
01:43:57.490 --> 01:43:58.820
getting to meet their idol in
01:43:58.820 --> 01:43:59.260
person
01:43:59.260 --> 01:44:00.380
you know they've been a fan of
01:44:00.380 --> 01:44:01.580
this person they've done art
01:44:01.580 --> 01:44:02.780
for this person they've dreamed
01:44:02.780 --> 01:44:03.300
of meeting
01:44:03.300 --> 01:44:04.840
this person they're not going
01:44:04.840 --> 01:44:06.490
to jeopardize that by offending
01:44:06.490 --> 01:44:07.820
that person by saying no
01:44:07.820 --> 01:44:09.110
and not that those
01:44:09.110 --> 01:44:11.450
relationships can't happen but
01:44:11.450 --> 01:44:13.510
it's very tricky water as far
01:44:13.510 --> 01:44:15.420
as you know establishing
01:44:15.420 --> 01:44:17.540
and acknowledging the power
01:44:17.540 --> 01:44:19.480
dynamic and discussing it
01:44:19.480 --> 01:44:21.810
before like even anything were
01:44:21.810 --> 01:44:23.660
to happen but i don't
01:44:23.660 --> 01:44:25.380
know my whole mo has never
01:44:25.380 --> 01:44:27.190
really been to go date your
01:44:27.190 --> 01:44:29.190
fans because you know it like
01:44:29.190 --> 01:44:30.540
your fans are not a
01:44:30.540 --> 01:44:32.630
dating pool they're like they're
01:44:32.630 --> 01:44:34.500
just you know they're there to
01:44:34.500 --> 01:44:36.400
consume your content i don't
01:44:36.400 --> 01:44:36.700
know
01:44:36.700 --> 01:44:38.500
it just it this it's not it's
01:44:38.500 --> 01:44:40.380
not technically illegal but it
01:44:40.380 --> 01:44:42.060
just kind of it to me and in
01:44:42.060 --> 01:44:42.860
terms of dating
01:44:42.860 --> 01:44:44.510
your fans like i don't know i
01:44:44.510 --> 01:44:46.380
just kind of miss the days
01:44:46.380 --> 01:44:47.750
where it was considered just
01:44:47.750 --> 01:44:48.940
not kosher to date
01:44:48.940 --> 01:44:51.300
from your fan base like that
01:44:51.300 --> 01:44:53.770
was considered poor form
01:44:53.770 --> 01:44:56.060
because like your fans aren't
01:44:56.060 --> 01:44:58.220
your peers and i just
01:44:58.220 --> 01:45:00.430
i always question why like when
01:45:00.430 --> 01:45:02.620
somebody can't pull from their
01:45:02.620 --> 01:45:04.560
peers like why is it that you
01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:05.100
can't
01:45:06.220 --> 01:45:07.010
like land somebody and date
01:45:07.010 --> 01:45:09.070
somebody who's like on an even
01:45:09.070 --> 01:45:11.220
playing field with you why does
01:45:11.220 --> 01:45:12.220
there have to
01:45:12.220 --> 01:45:14.100
be a power imbalance and and
01:45:14.100 --> 01:45:16.170
like that's always like the the
01:45:16.170 --> 01:45:18.360
trend with these types like
01:45:18.360 --> 01:45:18.860
they're if
01:45:18.860 --> 01:45:20.240
you look at like they're most
01:45:20.240 --> 01:45:21.760
of their relationships they're
01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:22.930
oh there's always a power
01:45:22.930 --> 01:45:23.820
imbalance and if
01:45:23.820 --> 01:45:25.290
you have a track record of
01:45:25.290 --> 01:45:26.930
having a power imbalance in
01:45:26.930 --> 01:45:28.530
your relationships what is
01:45:28.530 --> 01:45:30.060
wrong with you like why do
01:45:30.060 --> 01:45:31.730
you need to have a one-up on
01:45:31.730 --> 01:45:33.420
somebody in order to be in a
01:45:33.420 --> 01:45:35.630
relationship with them like you
01:45:35.630 --> 01:45:36.540
need therapy
01:45:36.540 --> 01:45:37.950
yeah it's so fun here um i
01:45:37.950 --> 01:45:39.860
think that's it courtney unless
01:45:39.860 --> 01:45:41.660
you have anything else to add
01:45:41.660 --> 01:45:43.230
like anything else you want to
01:45:43.230 --> 01:45:44.980
add that that that you remember
01:45:44.980 --> 01:45:46.430
from the testimony that you
01:45:46.430 --> 01:45:46.780
want to
01:45:46.780 --> 01:45:49.940
comment on if you question if
01:45:49.940 --> 01:45:52.680
it's a violation it probably
01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:56.580
was if you feel violated that
01:45:56.580 --> 01:45:57.580
was not consent
01:45:59.020 --> 01:46:00.880
your feelings matter your
01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.740
feelings are valid consent is
01:46:03.740 --> 01:46:08.990
never implied um real men who
01:46:08.990 --> 01:46:11.180
get bitches ask for
01:46:11.180 --> 01:46:14.050
consent i guess that's it uh
01:46:14.050 --> 01:46:16.290
what a what a good way to to
01:46:16.290 --> 01:46:19.200
end the video not end the video
01:46:19.200 --> 01:46:19.740
and the
01:46:19.740 --> 01:46:21.340
segment what a good way to end
01:46:21.340 --> 01:46:23.020
the segment part five why make
01:46:23.020 --> 01:46:24.790
this video unfortunately this
01:46:24.790 --> 01:46:25.340
is insight
01:46:25.340 --> 01:46:26.900
about how content creators can
01:46:26.900 --> 01:46:28.520
respond to situations of sexual
01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:29.960
harassment and more damning
01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:30.780
incidents it's
01:46:30.780 --> 01:46:32.040
important to talk about how
01:46:32.040 --> 01:46:33.450
this stuff isn't okay and it's
01:46:33.450 --> 01:46:34.820
not something to make jokes out
01:46:34.820 --> 01:46:35.660
of i personally
01:46:35.660 --> 01:46:36.940
shouldn't have to be sexualized
01:46:36.940 --> 01:46:38.100
or belittled because someone
01:46:38.100 --> 01:46:39.330
didn't get what they wanted and
01:46:39.330 --> 01:46:39.580
in a
01:46:39.580 --> 01:46:40.840
a professional setting the
01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:42.170
story and the other incidents
01:46:42.170 --> 01:46:43.250
are taken to an extreme i
01:46:43.250 --> 01:46:43.820
should not
01:46:43.820 --> 01:46:45.110
have to fight with people to
01:46:45.110 --> 01:46:46.510
get justice for something like
01:46:46.510 --> 01:46:47.900
this or for other victims and
01:46:47.900 --> 01:46:49.110
especially on receiving
01:46:49.110 --> 01:46:50.670
responses when there only might
01:46:50.670 --> 01:46:52.260
be repercussions on the line it's
01:46:52.260 --> 01:46:52.860
messed up and
01:46:52.860 --> 01:46:53.870
i'm hoping this can be a
01:46:53.870 --> 01:46:55.340
learning experience for anyone
01:46:55.340 --> 01:46:56.640
who has ever made a nasty meme
01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:57.420
or taken something
01:46:57.420 --> 01:46:59.180
too far admitting it and apologizing
01:46:59.180 --> 01:47:00.650
without being prompted can go a
01:47:00.650 --> 01:47:02.060
long way and thinking about
01:47:02.060 --> 01:47:03.690
possible consequences should be
01:47:03.690 --> 01:47:05.100
as well krish didn't just make
01:47:05.100 --> 01:47:06.270
up a bad story he did some
01:47:06.270 --> 01:47:07.420
other unsavory stuff
01:47:07.420 --> 01:47:08.680
combined with the lack of
01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:10.200
action when a groomer is in the
01:47:10.200 --> 01:47:11.580
da game space when there are
01:47:11.580 --> 01:47:12.860
children in there
01:47:12.860 --> 01:47:14.480
is unacceptable there is
01:47:14.480 --> 01:47:16.550
nothing bad or off-brand about
01:47:16.550 --> 01:47:18.270
kicking a pedophile out of your
01:47:18.270 --> 01:47:19.180
community and
01:47:19.180 --> 01:47:20.550
letting other adjacent
01:47:20.550 --> 01:47:22.310
communities know it also seems
01:47:22.310 --> 01:47:24.070
to me that many popular content
01:47:24.070 --> 01:47:25.180
creators don't know
01:47:25.180 --> 01:47:26.250
or frankly don't care about
01:47:26.250 --> 01:47:27.520
keeping their communities safe
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:28.640
when it comes to problematic
01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:29.100
behavior
01:47:29.740 --> 01:47:31.350
there will be confrontation
01:47:31.350 --> 01:47:32.870
involved so if you don't like
01:47:32.870 --> 01:47:34.700
confrontation maybe think twice
01:47:34.700 --> 01:47:35.500
about being a
01:47:35.500 --> 01:47:37.000
content creator if you don't
01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:38.390
want so much responsibility
01:47:38.390 --> 01:47:39.940
then consider making public
01:47:39.940 --> 01:47:41.500
spaces 18 plus
01:47:41.500 --> 01:47:43.280
but even then there still might
01:47:43.280 --> 01:47:44.560
be creeps so i made a quick
01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:46.000
little guide kp's guide to
01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:47.100
dealing with bad
01:47:47.100 --> 01:47:48.970
people in your community number
01:47:48.970 --> 01:47:50.500
one listen to someone if they
01:47:50.500 --> 01:47:52.300
have a serious concern and make
01:47:52.300 --> 01:47:52.620
sure they
01:47:52.620 --> 01:47:54.480
have screenshots if possible
01:47:54.480 --> 01:47:56.050
and if you're too busy get a
01:47:56.050 --> 01:47:57.790
mod team to help you with this
01:47:57.790 --> 01:47:58.860
number two if the
01:47:58.860 --> 01:48:00.640
screenshots are damning enough
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:02.340
skip step three and remove them
01:48:02.340 --> 01:48:04.050
from your space number three if
01:48:04.050 --> 01:48:04.460
there
01:48:04.460 --> 01:48:05.900
are no screenshots confront the
01:48:05.900 --> 01:48:07.230
person with the issues stated
01:48:07.230 --> 01:48:08.560
and get their side of the story
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:08.860
have
01:48:08.860 --> 01:48:10.500
others weigh in on the decision
01:48:10.500 --> 01:48:11.990
if it's a hard one number four
01:48:11.990 --> 01:48:13.120
make a google doc with
01:48:13.120 --> 01:48:14.460
problematic or unsafe
01:48:14.460 --> 01:48:15.850
behavior so it can be shared
01:48:15.850 --> 01:48:17.480
with other communities and this
01:48:17.480 --> 01:48:18.960
person can't prey on another
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:19.900
fan group number
01:48:19.900 --> 01:48:21.590
five look out for name changes
01:48:21.590 --> 01:48:23.520
in general suspicious behavior
01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:24.650
especially in fandom
01:48:24.650 --> 01:48:25.820
communities all in
01:48:25.820 --> 01:48:26.950
all these people seem to be
01:48:26.950 --> 01:48:28.400
unsafe around children because
01:48:28.400 --> 01:48:29.600
they don't seem to care about
01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:30.380
holding anyone
01:48:30.380 --> 01:48:31.650
accountable and saber probably
01:48:31.650 --> 01:48:32.820
didn't think all this through
01:48:32.820 --> 01:48:33.980
because he didn't think it was
01:48:33.980 --> 01:48:34.540
going to be
01:48:34.540 --> 01:48:36.900
public oops hashtag sorry not
01:48:36.900 --> 01:48:39.350
sorry part six shitting on lily
01:48:39.350 --> 01:48:41.420
orchard because it's fun
01:48:41.420 --> 01:48:42.420
One.
01:48:42.420 --> 01:48:43.420
One.
01:48:43.420 --> 01:48:44.420
One.
01:48:44.420 --> 01:48:45.420
One.
01:48:45.420 --> 01:49:15.220
So,
01:49:15.220 --> 01:49:16.680
welcome to the Lily section for
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:18.790
the people who only care about
01:49:18.790 --> 01:49:20.520
her and not any of the other
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:20.860
stuff.
01:49:21.080 --> 01:49:23.450
Fun fact, Lily just rebranded
01:49:23.450 --> 01:49:26.060
herself as CD Call because it's
01:49:26.060 --> 01:49:28.660
totally about not escaping all
01:49:28.660 --> 01:49:30.480
the pedophilia and abuse claims
01:49:30.480 --> 01:49:32.110
and just making people happy
01:49:32.110 --> 01:49:33.590
with her sunshiny content
01:49:33.590 --> 01:49:35.290
because her content's always
01:49:35.290 --> 01:49:36.970
just so positive and great and
01:49:36.970 --> 01:49:38.860
Jesus fucking Christ, she's not
01:49:38.860 --> 01:49:40.600
fucking fooling anyone.
01:49:41.020 --> 01:49:42.700
Are you a rotten liar?
01:49:43.020 --> 01:49:44.330
KP wanted to talk to Sketchy
01:49:44.330 --> 01:49:45.710
about all these accusations
01:49:45.710 --> 01:49:47.100
made against me and then show
01:49:47.100 --> 01:49:48.570
screenshots that made it very
01:49:48.570 --> 01:49:50.080
obvious that she's lying.
01:49:50.340 --> 01:49:51.770
Sketchy says rather plainly, I
01:49:51.770 --> 01:49:53.220
am not comfortable discussing
01:49:53.220 --> 01:49:54.760
my friends when they're not
01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:55.860
around, to which KP offers
01:49:55.860 --> 01:49:57.130
adding a third party whose
01:49:57.130 --> 01:49:58.450
relation to the case she has
01:49:58.450 --> 01:49:59.580
yet to disclose.
01:50:00.020 --> 01:50:01.170
But she is unfortunately
01:50:01.170 --> 01:50:02.700
missing the point. Sketchy did
01:50:02.700 --> 01:50:03.670
not want to have this
01:50:03.670 --> 01:50:04.960
conversation while I wasn't
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:06.450
present, so the third party had
01:50:06.450 --> 01:50:07.080
to be me.
01:50:07.080 --> 01:50:08.410
Sketchy's stuff was generally
01:50:08.410 --> 01:50:09.650
taken out of context. In the
01:50:09.650 --> 01:50:10.920
screenshot I'm showing you,
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:12.330
Sketchy basically said he wasn't
01:50:12.330 --> 01:50:13.700
open to the conversation, even
01:50:13.700 --> 01:50:14.820
though I offered if a third
01:50:14.820 --> 01:50:16.080
party was present and he still
01:50:16.080 --> 01:50:17.690
said no. The third party was
01:50:17.690 --> 01:50:19.380
implied to be Lily herself. So,
01:50:19.380 --> 01:50:20.600
it didn't seem to me that he
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:21.970
was open to the conversation
01:50:21.970 --> 01:50:23.440
regardless if Lily was there or
01:50:23.440 --> 01:50:24.680
not. If he was open to the
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:26.000
conversation when Lily was
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:27.300
there, then he should have
01:50:27.300 --> 01:50:28.270
clarified that with
01:50:28.270 --> 01:50:29.790
communication. And I'm still
01:50:29.790 --> 01:50:31.280
open to that conversation even
01:50:31.280 --> 01:50:33.260
now. So, like, let's go, bro.
01:50:33.260 --> 01:50:35.870
You move, Chief. The other
01:50:35.870 --> 01:50:37.230
thing in the first screenshot
01:50:37.230 --> 01:50:38.440
is that he just assumes I'm
01:50:38.440 --> 01:50:39.860
projecting. Like, that's a
01:50:39.860 --> 01:50:41.220
weird thing to say for someone
01:50:41.220 --> 01:50:42.430
I don't really talk to that
01:50:42.430 --> 01:50:43.500
often. I don't want to
01:50:43.500 --> 01:50:44.520
speculate on private
01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:46.040
conversations with Lily, but am
01:50:46.040 --> 01:50:47.340
I wrong to say that's a little
01:50:47.340 --> 01:50:49.140
sussy? It seems obvious to me
01:50:49.140 --> 01:50:50.640
that Lily talked to him before
01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:52.150
I confronted him, but I'm not
01:50:52.150 --> 01:50:54.140
100% sure. I'm not going to sit
01:50:54.140 --> 01:50:55.920
here and speculate that. Oh,
01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:58.320
fun fact, Sketchy is also a not-safe-for-work
01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:00.070
furry artist, which, fine, you
01:51:00.070 --> 01:51:01.920
live your best life, Sketchy.
01:51:02.180 --> 01:51:03.630
But, you know what? I don't
01:51:03.630 --> 01:51:05.000
think furry is really into the
01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:06.730
whole pedophilia scene. So, you
01:51:06.730 --> 01:51:08.090
know what'd be great? If all
01:51:08.090 --> 01:51:09.560
the furries spread the word and
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:11.040
said not to commission this guy
01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:13.240
because he's friends with a pedophile.
01:51:13.560 --> 01:51:15.460
Lily! You're an angry bomb!
01:51:15.460 --> 01:51:16.980
What are we? You're an angry
01:51:16.980 --> 01:51:17.460
bomb!
01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:18.840
Let's talk about the recording
01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:20.380
confrontation. So, generally
01:51:20.380 --> 01:51:21.500
what happened during the
01:51:21.500 --> 01:51:22.500
segment is Lily kind of
01:51:22.500 --> 01:51:24.530
manipulated what I said and miscommunicated
01:51:24.530 --> 01:51:25.930
some things. So, I'm here to
01:51:25.930 --> 01:51:27.410
clarify because, you know, fuck
01:51:27.410 --> 01:51:28.680
Lily. Who cares?
01:51:28.900 --> 01:51:30.510
So, number one, Lily totally skips
01:51:30.510 --> 01:51:31.830
the part of the confrontation
01:51:31.830 --> 01:51:33.440
where she lies about Stockholm.
01:51:34.080 --> 01:51:36.280
So, I was really fucking pissed
01:51:36.280 --> 01:51:39.020
off at the fact that Fim Fiction
01:51:39.020 --> 01:51:41.750
just basically just kind of let
01:51:41.750 --> 01:51:43.970
anything go in regards to
01:51:43.970 --> 01:51:47.020
content and just hosted a shitload
01:51:47.020 --> 01:51:48.680
of child porn.
01:51:49.140 --> 01:51:50.470
So, I wrote a book where
01:51:50.470 --> 01:51:52.280
basically a bunch of pedophiles
01:51:52.280 --> 01:51:54.290
just get shot in the head. And
01:51:54.290 --> 01:51:55.710
then Bronies got really mad
01:51:55.710 --> 01:51:57.200
about it and started lying
01:51:57.200 --> 01:51:58.620
about its contents.
01:51:58.960 --> 01:51:59.720
That's a weird thing to leave
01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:00.790
out for someone who wants to
01:52:00.790 --> 01:52:01.580
tell the truth.
01:52:02.020 --> 01:52:03.260
Isn't that convenient?
01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:06.920
Um, KP, people have made worse
01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:09.120
accusations about you.
01:52:09.240 --> 01:52:10.160
Yeah, because allegedly
01:52:10.160 --> 01:52:11.450
treating your employees poorly
01:52:11.450 --> 01:52:12.580
is totally worse than raping
01:52:12.580 --> 01:52:13.720
your own little sister.
01:52:14.140 --> 01:52:15.580
She needs to sort out her
01:52:15.580 --> 01:52:16.840
priorities.
01:52:17.340 --> 01:52:18.370
KP decides my denying of the
01:52:18.370 --> 01:52:20.240
accusations carries less weight
01:52:20.240 --> 01:52:21.830
than her making them because
01:52:21.830 --> 01:52:23.420
she just decided that was the
01:52:23.420 --> 01:52:23.980
case.
01:52:24.080 --> 01:52:25.800
I never accused anyone of lying.
01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:27.360
And Lily just was like, I don't
01:52:27.360 --> 01:52:29.060
want you talking to Courtney.
01:52:29.580 --> 01:52:31.260
So, as a favor to you, if I
01:52:31.260 --> 01:52:33.910
reached out to Courtney and got
01:52:33.910 --> 01:52:36.520
her to apologize for the trans-
01:52:36.520 --> 01:52:37.660
the trans comments-
01:52:37.660 --> 01:52:38.890
No, no, no. I do not want you
01:52:38.890 --> 01:52:40.260
to reach out to Courtney at all.
01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:41.800
Just seems like a weird thing
01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:43.290
to say if you have nothing to
01:52:43.290 --> 01:52:43.820
hide.
01:52:44.260 --> 01:52:45.330
Pearl's reaction to me just
01:52:45.330 --> 01:52:46.500
asking about it was so
01:52:46.500 --> 01:52:47.340
defensive.
01:52:47.580 --> 01:52:48.830
That's just a question. No need
01:52:48.830 --> 01:52:49.700
to get so defensive.
01:52:49.700 --> 01:52:50.780
And where have they said worse
01:52:50.780 --> 01:52:51.910
things about me? I want you to
01:52:51.910 --> 01:52:52.800
cite your sources.
01:52:53.260 --> 01:52:54.130
Never mind that when you don't
01:52:54.130 --> 01:52:55.490
have a significant social media
01:52:55.490 --> 01:52:56.970
presence, you have nothing to
01:52:56.970 --> 01:52:58.390
lose and everything to gain by
01:52:58.390 --> 01:52:59.020
doing it.
01:52:59.100 --> 01:53:00.380
Yeah, because I'm going to come
01:53:00.380 --> 01:53:01.430
out of total obscurity to
01:53:01.430 --> 01:53:02.640
accuse someone of rape for a
01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:04.300
thousand subscribers on YouTube.
01:53:04.300 --> 01:53:05.600
Makes sense.
01:53:05.940 --> 01:53:07.380
Do you even hear yourself?
01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:08.710
Never mind that this is
01:53:08.710 --> 01:53:10.820
literally policy in some states.
01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:12.320
The fuck? What even? You're not
01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:13.960
even American, you stupid girl.
01:53:14.460 --> 01:53:15.460
Girl, can you not? I want to
01:53:15.460 --> 01:53:17.040
kiss your face with a hammer.
01:53:17.040 --> 01:53:18.470
She then decided to offer to
01:53:18.470 --> 01:53:20.010
mediate a call between me and
01:53:20.010 --> 01:53:20.720
Courtney.
01:53:21.160 --> 01:53:23.080
And are you fucking kidding me?
01:53:23.080 --> 01:53:23.840
Oh boy.
01:53:24.240 --> 01:53:25.200
Yeah, I sure would love it if
01:53:25.200 --> 01:53:26.670
the Queen of the Lollipop Guild
01:53:26.670 --> 01:53:28.170
organized a call between me and
01:53:28.170 --> 01:53:29.550
my abuser like we're on an
01:53:29.550 --> 01:53:30.820
episode of Fucking Smiling
01:53:30.820 --> 01:53:31.240
Friends,
01:53:31.540 --> 01:53:32.740
just because she's a gullible
01:53:32.740 --> 01:53:34.190
shit with all the political
01:53:34.190 --> 01:53:35.680
awareness of a drunk sparrow in
01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:36.240
a rave.
01:53:36.240 --> 01:53:38.550
The fuck? How is this political?
01:53:38.550 --> 01:53:40.390
Why a sparrow? Is that like a
01:53:40.390 --> 01:53:42.400
metaphor for something you meet
01:53:42.400 --> 01:53:43.620
up in your head?
01:53:43.940 --> 01:53:45.750
That is without a doubt the
01:53:45.750 --> 01:53:47.700
dumbest thing I've ever heard.
01:53:47.940 --> 01:53:49.150
Some people were surprised at
01:53:49.150 --> 01:53:50.560
how abruptly I ended the call
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:51.600
when KP said she wasn't
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:52.630
comfortable with the
01:53:52.630 --> 01:53:54.360
accusations made against me.
01:53:54.660 --> 01:53:56.330
I just said, alright, bye, and
01:53:56.330 --> 01:53:57.460
left and blocked her on
01:53:57.460 --> 01:53:58.280
everything.
01:53:58.600 --> 01:53:59.620
Simple reason for that.
01:53:59.740 --> 01:54:01.030
I don't want to be friends with
01:54:01.030 --> 01:54:02.530
anyone who believes any of this
01:54:02.530 --> 01:54:04.190
garbage, and that's something I'm
01:54:04.190 --> 01:54:05.140
entitled to do.
01:54:05.140 --> 01:54:06.370
Yeah, sure. I never said you
01:54:06.370 --> 01:54:07.480
can't do that. It's just a
01:54:07.480 --> 01:54:08.880
little defensive and weird.
01:54:09.220 --> 01:54:10.880
I didn't yell. I didn't scream.
01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:12.620
I didn't call her any names. I
01:54:12.620 --> 01:54:14.180
just said bye and left.
01:54:14.340 --> 01:54:15.390
Girl, you called her a bunch of
01:54:15.390 --> 01:54:16.660
names in this video and demeaned
01:54:16.660 --> 01:54:18.380
her intelligence. Actually, bye.
01:54:19.060 --> 01:54:20.240
Okay, I'm out. Can't do this
01:54:20.240 --> 01:54:22.120
anymore. Need to go home.
01:54:22.140 --> 01:54:23.470
I never said I believed in the
01:54:23.470 --> 01:54:24.870
accusations, just that they
01:54:24.870 --> 01:54:26.130
made me uncomfortable and
01:54:26.130 --> 01:54:27.760
wanted to ask Lily about them.
01:54:28.020 --> 01:54:29.460
Is that not communicating? Lily,
01:54:29.460 --> 01:54:30.870
you always hemmed and hollered
01:54:30.870 --> 01:54:32.620
about, oh, no one ever communicates
01:54:32.620 --> 01:54:33.240
with me.
01:54:33.520 --> 01:54:34.490
They never set boundaries, and
01:54:34.490 --> 01:54:35.530
then they just leave when I
01:54:35.530 --> 01:54:36.740
make them uncomfortable.
01:54:37.140 --> 01:54:37.690
I just wish people would
01:54:37.690 --> 01:54:38.840
communicate and tell me when
01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:40.130
they're uncomfortable so we can
01:54:40.130 --> 01:54:41.440
find solutions together.
01:54:41.900 --> 01:54:43.420
You're such a hypocrite.
01:54:43.900 --> 01:54:45.170
Because I'm communicating that
01:54:45.170 --> 01:54:46.560
I'm uncomfortable, suddenly I'm
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:47.340
a gullible shit.
01:54:47.740 --> 01:54:48.530
Gee, I wonder why your friends
01:54:48.530 --> 01:54:49.490
don't feel like they can
01:54:49.490 --> 01:54:50.480
communicate with you.
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:51.560
You can go back over the
01:54:51.560 --> 01:54:53.060
podcast we did, talking about
01:54:53.060 --> 01:54:54.620
personal trauma, where I bring
01:54:54.620 --> 01:54:55.800
up most of the stuff,
01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:57.530
and she's just kind of disinterested
01:54:57.530 --> 01:54:58.890
in anything that isn't about
01:54:58.890 --> 01:55:00.500
her. We just kind of accepted
01:55:00.500 --> 01:55:00.980
that.
01:55:01.240 --> 01:55:02.320
I mean, it's not that KP was a
01:55:02.320 --> 01:55:03.850
shitty friend. It's just that
01:55:03.850 --> 01:55:05.240
she was just kind of there,
01:55:05.240 --> 01:55:06.660
and it was something that made
01:55:06.660 --> 01:55:08.200
cutting the thread upon KP,
01:55:08.200 --> 01:55:09.120
crossing my strictest
01:55:09.120 --> 01:55:10.500
boundaries easier to do.
01:55:10.660 --> 01:55:11.460
Let's talk about how I didn't
01:55:11.460 --> 01:55:12.540
want to interrupt someone who's
01:55:12.540 --> 01:55:13.600
talking about their trauma.
01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:14.910
Oh, Michaela also had to push
01:55:14.910 --> 01:55:16.240
me to communicate with Lily,
01:55:16.540 --> 01:55:17.820
and Lily actively flirting with
01:55:17.820 --> 01:55:19.010
me was a little uncomfy,
01:55:19.010 --> 01:55:20.120
especially live.
01:55:20.420 --> 01:55:22.070
Like, literally everyone, fuck
01:55:22.070 --> 01:55:23.810
you. KP is an absolutely lovely
01:55:23.810 --> 01:55:24.420
person.
01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:26.520
Yay, I'm gonna slowly, I've
01:55:26.520 --> 01:55:29.220
made this joke, like, privately,
01:55:29.380 --> 01:55:30.430
but, like, I'm slowly gonna
01:55:30.430 --> 01:55:31.630
require a lesbian army and take
01:55:31.630 --> 01:55:32.480
over the world.
01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:34.120
Just give it time. Anyway.
01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:35.550
That is the, like, that is the,
01:55:35.550 --> 01:55:36.830
that is the, that is the most
01:55:36.830 --> 01:55:38.180
aggressive polycule ever.
01:55:39.040 --> 01:55:39.910
Lily clearly never, ever wanted
01:55:39.910 --> 01:55:41.500
to fuck me. Never, ever.
01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:42.960
And I never, ever had a reason
01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:44.320
to not want to open up to her.
01:55:44.320 --> 01:55:45.450
And she seems to think that's
01:55:45.450 --> 01:55:46.550
some kind of personal slight
01:55:46.550 --> 01:55:47.220
against her.
01:55:47.400 --> 01:55:48.300
That I never warmed up to her
01:55:48.300 --> 01:55:49.520
in the way she wanted me to.
01:55:49.860 --> 01:55:50.820
Then I learned about how she
01:55:50.820 --> 01:55:51.820
raped her sister.
01:55:52.240 --> 01:55:53.480
And about Stockholm and the dog
01:55:53.480 --> 01:55:54.180
fucking.
01:55:54.360 --> 01:55:55.510
And you fucking wonder where I'm,
01:55:55.510 --> 01:55:55.820
like,
01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:57.260
yeah, maybe Lily Orchard isn't,
01:55:57.260 --> 01:55:58.440
like, the best person.
01:55:58.920 --> 01:55:59.870
Well, I'll stay away from her
01:55:59.870 --> 01:56:00.320
then.
01:56:00.660 --> 01:56:01.750
This isn't even to call KP a
01:56:01.750 --> 01:56:03.470
bad person for being an aloof,
01:56:03.470 --> 01:56:04.800
self-centered weirdo
01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:06.600
who's always disassociating.
01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:08.160
Lily, you're being ableist.
01:56:08.280 --> 01:56:09.700
Just because you also have PTSD
01:56:09.700 --> 01:56:10.990
doesn't mean it's cool to say
01:56:10.990 --> 01:56:12.240
that I'm odd in the head.
01:56:12.560 --> 01:56:13.790
It's just that all that stuff
01:56:13.790 --> 01:56:15.530
made me realize I wasn't really
01:56:15.530 --> 01:56:16.700
going to miss her.
01:56:17.120 --> 01:56:18.270
Oh no, the incestuous pedophile
01:56:18.270 --> 01:56:19.610
rapist doesn't want me in her
01:56:19.610 --> 01:56:20.700
polycule anymore?
01:56:21.180 --> 01:56:22.920
Whatever shall I do?
01:56:22.920 --> 01:56:24.740
Stop, don't come back.
01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:26.310
In general, you should always
01:56:26.310 --> 01:56:27.860
be extremely suspicious of any
01:56:27.860 --> 01:56:28.300
accuser
01:56:28.300 --> 01:56:29.600
who tries to convince you not
01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:30.690
to listen to the accused
01:56:30.690 --> 01:56:31.340
response.
01:56:31.660 --> 01:56:32.960
But that's what you did, Lily.
01:56:33.020 --> 01:56:34.340
That's what you did.
01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:35.420
Oh, P.S.
01:56:35.420 --> 01:56:36.520
On the Britney section, Lily
01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:38.130
cropped out a lot of Britney's
01:56:38.130 --> 01:56:39.040
talking points
01:56:39.040 --> 01:56:40.120
to sound like she was talking
01:56:40.120 --> 01:56:40.700
to herself.
01:56:40.900 --> 01:56:42.360
So go check Britney's logs and
01:56:42.360 --> 01:56:43.280
report back.
01:56:43.580 --> 01:56:44.360
That's your homework.
01:56:44.440 --> 01:56:45.690
Unless you're stupid enough to
01:56:45.690 --> 01:56:46.900
relieve Lily on her word.
01:56:47.300 --> 01:56:48.430
Which, you know, can't really
01:56:48.430 --> 01:56:49.340
help you there.
01:56:49.340 --> 01:56:50.520
And also she cut out all the
01:56:50.520 --> 01:56:51.780
dog fucking pictures in the
01:56:51.780 --> 01:56:52.700
patch section.
01:56:52.900 --> 01:56:53.560
So, you know.
01:57:00.100 --> 01:57:01.920
When we were...
01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:03.350
So we started school at like 5
01:57:03.350 --> 01:57:03.820
or 6.
01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:05.360
Lily started at 5, I started at
01:57:05.360 --> 01:57:05.760
6.
01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:07.740
And we always got the bus up at
01:57:07.740 --> 01:57:09.890
the top entrance of the trailer
01:57:09.890 --> 01:57:11.220
park where there was the store.
01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:12.720
Now the trailer park used to be
01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:14.260
gated for whatever reason.
01:57:14.580 --> 01:57:16.440
And the stone walls that held
01:57:16.440 --> 01:57:18.560
the gates are still in place.
01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:19.640
I'm pretty sure they might even
01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:20.480
still be there to this day.
01:57:20.540 --> 01:57:21.370
But they were when we were
01:57:21.370 --> 01:57:21.940
growing up.
01:57:22.560 --> 01:57:23.820
And, you know, people used to
01:57:23.820 --> 01:57:25.620
just stick their chewed gum to
01:57:25.620 --> 01:57:27.300
it to discard their gum.
01:57:28.220 --> 01:57:29.540
And while we were waiting for
01:57:29.540 --> 01:57:31.560
the bus up by that store,
01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.190
Lily made a habit, starting at
01:57:33.190 --> 01:57:34.340
like 7 years old,
01:57:34.440 --> 01:57:36.360
of like peeling the gum off of
01:57:36.360 --> 01:57:38.280
this wall and eating it.
01:57:38.780 --> 01:57:39.740
Not like chewing it.
01:57:39.740 --> 01:57:41.240
Just like swallowing it.
01:57:41.320 --> 01:57:42.120
Just eating it.
01:57:42.920 --> 01:57:43.690
It reminds me of that scene in
01:57:43.690 --> 01:57:45.270
the Elf where he's just going
01:57:45.270 --> 01:57:46.460
around New York City
01:57:46.460 --> 01:57:48.280
and he's just like picking the
01:57:48.280 --> 01:57:49.900
gum off the sidewalks.
01:57:50.440 --> 01:57:50.840
Exactly.
01:57:51.520 --> 01:57:53.210
And it was so funny because I'd
01:57:53.210 --> 01:57:54.800
see her doing it.
01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:56.060
And then, of course, being 6
01:57:56.060 --> 01:57:56.880
years old and that being
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:57.500
disgusting,
01:57:57.660 --> 01:57:58.610
I'd go rat her out to her
01:57:58.610 --> 01:57:59.040
mother.
01:57:59.400 --> 01:58:00.560
And her mother would come over
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:02.020
and start screaming at her to
01:58:02.020 --> 01:58:02.900
drop the gum.
01:58:02.900 --> 01:58:04.480
And like a dog with something
01:58:04.480 --> 01:58:06.000
it's not supposed to eat,
01:58:06.140 --> 01:58:07.390
Lily would just start shoving
01:58:07.390 --> 01:58:08.720
it into her mouth faster.
01:58:09.780 --> 01:58:11.360
Did she ever get sick?
01:58:11.440 --> 01:58:12.300
Like from this?
01:58:12.380 --> 01:58:13.730
Because this is like, like,
01:58:13.730 --> 01:58:14.540
like, yeah.
01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:16.620
Like who knows who's putting
01:58:16.620 --> 01:58:17.860
the gum there?
01:58:18.620 --> 01:58:19.880
I've been asked that before,
01:58:19.880 --> 01:58:21.350
but surprisingly, I don't think
01:58:21.350 --> 01:58:22.080
she ever did.
01:58:23.480 --> 01:58:24.710
Like she wasn't sick a lot as a
01:58:24.710 --> 01:58:25.440
kid.
01:58:26.540 --> 01:58:26.940
Oh.
01:58:26.940 --> 01:58:28.140
More than like the scarlet
01:58:28.140 --> 01:58:29.500
fever and the chicken pox.
01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:30.580
She really didn't actually get
01:58:30.580 --> 01:58:31.260
sick that much.
01:58:31.360 --> 01:58:32.300
Neither of us really did.
01:58:32.620 --> 01:58:34.390
But no, she just like, and it
01:58:34.390 --> 01:58:36.260
was such a problem that like,
01:58:36.480 --> 01:58:37.820
we switched bus stops.
01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:39.520
Because she wouldn't stop
01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:40.720
eating the gum.
01:58:43.400 --> 01:58:44.370
So what was the reason that
01:58:44.370 --> 01:58:47.030
like, she was even just out of
01:58:47.030 --> 01:58:47.580
like,
01:58:48.080 --> 01:58:49.160
boredom or something?
01:58:49.380 --> 01:58:50.640
Or like, she found the gum and
01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:51.320
she's like,
01:58:51.420 --> 01:58:52.320
Ooh, that's colorful.
01:58:52.440 --> 01:58:54.000
I'm going to put it in my mouth.
01:58:54.140 --> 01:58:55.100
That's what she said.
01:58:56.220 --> 01:58:58.550
I mean, if she was really that
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like, mentally incapacitated at
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7,
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maybe that was the mindset.
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I really couldn't tell you what
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brings one to see gum crammed
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into a stone wall.
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That makes you think, I should
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put that in my mouth.
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And then you go through the
01:59:13.750 --> 01:59:15.490
effort of prying it off with
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all the little stones that are
01:59:17.390 --> 01:59:18.000
in it.
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And you just go, yes, in my
01:59:19.150 --> 01:59:19.940
mouth it goes.
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I mean, like, you made a good
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point that even when you were
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younger, you kind of knew that
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was a little off.
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So it's not like she, you know,
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is just being a dumb kid.
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I mean, I guess to some extent,
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but like, at the same time.
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Because for Lily, like,
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negative attention was still
01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:37.400
attention.
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And getting yelled at by our
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parents was attention.
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So whatever made that happen
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was a good thing.
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And like, someone might suggest,
01:59:45.290 --> 01:59:46.330
someone might suggest in the
01:59:46.330 --> 01:59:47.360
comments of this video,
01:59:47.460 --> 01:59:48.550
they'll be like, maybe Lily had
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pica.
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No, she didn't, because she
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didn't eat weird things.
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Like, she didn't like, pick off
01:59:52.830 --> 01:59:54.130
the drywall and eat it or eat
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stones.
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No, it was just already chewed
01:59:56.480 --> 01:59:56.900
gum.
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What is pica?
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It's a, it's like a, I think it's
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classified as a disorder, but
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it's a phenomenon where people
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will start eating things that
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are not food items.
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And typically it's because of
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like a mineral deficiency or
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something.
02:00:09.380 --> 02:00:10.930
I think there's also links to
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like psychological issues.
02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:13.920
But a lot of the times it's
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your body is seeking some sort
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of vitamin or mineral.
02:00:16.700 --> 02:00:17.910
And then you end up somehow
02:00:17.910 --> 02:00:19.430
getting that from eating non-food
02:00:19.430 --> 02:00:19.900
items.
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Usually it like happens in
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terms of like stone.
02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:24.520
Like you'll find people eating
02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:25.650
rocks and it turns out that
02:00:25.650 --> 02:00:26.800
they have like a calcium or
02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:27.540
something.
02:00:27.540 --> 02:00:28.020
deficiency.
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Like, so, so how long did this
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go on for?
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Like a year or two?
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Ah, no, it was a good, like, it
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was a good couple of weeks
02:00:36.390 --> 02:00:38.060
because like our mom was on her
02:00:38.060 --> 02:00:39.080
every time.
02:00:39.080 --> 02:00:40.510
It got to the point where when
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we would go walk to the bus
02:00:41.550 --> 02:00:43.060
stop in the morning, she would
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be like,
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now Lily, don't eat the fucking
02:00:45.210 --> 02:00:46.180
gum off the wall.
02:00:46.500 --> 02:00:47.490
Like just sit there and lecture
02:00:47.490 --> 02:00:47.780
her.
02:00:47.940 --> 02:00:49.320
And then like, I don't know,
02:00:49.320 --> 02:00:51.160
like a handicapped toddler, she
02:00:51.160 --> 02:00:52.540
got off the leash and it would
02:00:52.540 --> 02:00:53.900
go straight for the gum.
02:00:55.160 --> 02:00:56.510
I like how there's already fan
02:00:56.510 --> 02:00:57.810
art of her like looking like a
02:00:57.810 --> 02:00:59.340
little golem eating the gum.
02:00:59.540 --> 02:01:01.100
We need more fan art of this.
02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:02.540
I mean, she kind of was like a
02:01:02.540 --> 02:01:04.150
little goblin because like it
02:01:04.150 --> 02:01:05.060
got to the point.
02:01:05.180 --> 02:01:06.710
I mean, it happened enough
02:01:06.710 --> 02:01:08.360
times that the other kids at
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the bus stop would just kind of
02:01:10.150 --> 02:01:11.940
like hang off like a little bit
02:01:11.940 --> 02:01:13.720
of ways from the wall and just
02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:15.300
sort of watch her do it.
02:01:17.460 --> 02:01:19.160
So she literally would be like
02:01:19.160 --> 02:01:20.910
crouched on top of this wall
02:01:20.910 --> 02:01:22.800
just with an audience just prying
02:01:22.800 --> 02:01:24.330
up this gum and then nom nom
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nom nom nom.
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Oh, that's nasty.
02:01:27.720 --> 02:01:28.730
And it was never like the same
02:01:28.730 --> 02:01:29.890
energy of when she chewed my
02:01:29.890 --> 02:01:31.380
Barbie shoes because she always
02:01:31.380 --> 02:01:32.540
had this habit of chewing up
02:01:32.540 --> 02:01:33.860
the shoes of my Barbies.
02:01:34.320 --> 02:01:35.690
Never their feet, but just the
02:01:35.690 --> 02:01:36.980
shoes, which honestly I just
02:01:36.980 --> 02:01:37.800
chalked up to.
02:01:37.900 --> 02:01:39.600
Well, she's she's like ADHD and
02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:40.320
autistic.
02:01:40.620 --> 02:01:41.540
She chews on shit.
02:01:41.660 --> 02:01:42.420
Of course she chewed on the
02:01:42.420 --> 02:01:43.040
plastic shoes.
02:01:43.140 --> 02:01:44.080
Pissed me off, but whatever.
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But it was never the same
02:01:45.480 --> 02:01:47.300
energy because like it was only
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that wall.
02:01:48.780 --> 02:01:50.370
Oh, like, yeah, it must have
02:01:50.370 --> 02:01:52.080
been for attention.
02:01:52.540 --> 02:01:55.300
Like, which is doesn't make it
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not gross, but like, uh, don't
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do that, guys.
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Oh, like, yeah.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.