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Hello viewers welcome to
another segment of "Maybe the
internet was a big fucking
mistake."
Big mistake. Big. Huge.
On a more serious note, this
video covers sexual gratification
as well as general sexual
harassment and it's a very
depressing story. If you're a
kid who somehow got past the
age restriction, please go away
now. Just go.
Now, I don't like covering
these stories. We're an
animation channel. We cover
very important stuff like
Disney and not Disney things
sometimes.
But I like to think of myself
like the Jon Stewart of the
YouTube animation community. I
call things out when I feel
like I can add something to the
conversation.
And it's important to talk
about when YouTubers are misusing
their platforms, so what's the
no fun situation? Because I
hate it here.
I don't wanna be alive anymore.
I've chosen not to keep this
person anonymous because I
believe this is not a mistake
or a slip of the tongue. This
is an active attempt of slander
and misogyny and that's just
not acceptable.
Also, this incident wasn't
freely admitted to me. I had to
have someone else tell me that
this was going on. In a
professional setting.
And he couldn't even tell me
himself.
Chris was a team member roughly
from 2014 to 2015. I know. I'm
old. Chris was generally a nice
guy in my time knowing him, but
he exhibited weird behavior.
Like you just draw this for
your boss, right? If memory
serves, there's also a nude
version.
That's disgusting.
He was also my first trip to
Everfree Northwest, the one we
did the blog about. He's this
guy here. The story is as
follows. I'm not gonna read it
myself because it's gonna make
me sick, so I'm just gonna have
someone else read it.
At some point over the last few
years, Chris told his story,
allegedly several times, that
in the bathroom of the hotel
where the group was staying, he
was masturbating to KP's
clothing.
Chris states that this is a lie,
as he was actually constipated
during the trip, and there were
no witnesses to his masturbation
story in or near the hotel room.
We don't know the details about
who the story was told to,
besides the whistleblower who
will remain anonymous.
But it was likely Will Ryan,
head of the YouTube channel DA
Games, as Chris and Will are
friends, as well as friends and/or
employees of that YouTube
channel.
Chris also started working for
DA Games shortly after leaving
the I Love Composible Law
Production team, so the
timelines track.
Once KP was informed that this
incident took place, she
confronted him via text and an
audio confession. The audio is
linked in the description if
you would like to listen to the
whole thing yourself.
Chris and Chris: All right.
Well, first, I think it's the
obvious thing is one, just want
to profusely apologize for that
terrible fucking thing I did.
Mm-hmm.
And that God was an absolute
horrible person so many years
ago, and you didn't deserve
that. So...
Chris and Chris: Right. So I
have a couple of things. So my
source says, you told this
story in front of Will and Sean
and a couple other people. Is
that correct?
Chris and Chris: That would
probably be correct, yeah.
Chris and Chris: So Will has
heard this story probably in
passing a couple of times,
correct?
Chris and Chris: Yeah, probably
once.
Chris: Okay. Same with Sean?
Chris and Chris: Yeah, Sean.
Chris: Okay. Did you talk to
Sean?
privately about anything else
that happened
when you were working on the
team that I don't know about?
Not that I can remember.
Okay.
Nothing I say is meant to
excuse what I did
because it's inexcusable what I
did.
Do you want me to say what the
story was
just for context or do you want
to explain it?
I mean, I guess it makes more
sense if I do
because I don't think it's fair
for you to have to reiterate
that horrible thing.
Sure, go ahead.
Yeah, so the old tale goes is
that
I pleasured myself in the hotel
bathroom we were sharing
during one of our breaks when
everyone was gone and whatever.
and that I fell off the john
after
basically getting lightheaded
from what would be
ejaculation falling on the
floor
where your dirty clothes also
happened to be
and that my face planted on
your underwear.
Right.
Part of my PD version, I have a
six-year-old in the other room,
so.
Okay, I wasn't aware of that,
but thanks for being honest.
Chris in his audio testimony
assured his other boss,
YouTuber Saberspark, wasn't
told this story.
But it's unclear how truthful
Chris is being when he says
that.
Chris also tries to steer the
conversation to not include too
much explicitly,
stating that, quote, "there is
a baby in the other room,"
unquote.
But that also might have been a
ploy to lessen the harshness of
the anger present.
Regardless, since Chris says he
was lying about the whole
incident, it's difficult to
take his word on anything due
to this lie and the actions he
took regarding it.
So once I was informed of this
information and got Chris
admitting to it, I sent that
proof to Saberspark through
mutual friends and to DA Games.
After reaching out twice and
waiting months for any private
messages, I eventually received
someone at DA Games in their
totally real HR department that
totally exists. Even though I
couldn't find any proof of it
online. That's totally not run
by Will's roommate, who's
financially dependent on him.
And for the record, I assume
Chris knew he was being
recorded because it was a call.
Chris and Chris was a call
about safety. It only gets
worse from here. I'm gonna need
every last drop of this. Let's
bring a political comparison.
For those who forgot or are not
American, good for you. The
2016 leak of the Hollywood
access tape was a big deal. In
a bus, we have an orange man
who shall not be named and
Billy Bush, a member of the
Bush family. He's a cousin of
President George W. Bush, or as
my Gen Z audience would know,
the shoe guy. Who thrilled
a shoe honestly orange man was
talking about women in an
inappropriate way google it if
you want to
this whole script is giving me
a headache you know i'm
automatically attracted to
beautiful i just
start kissing them it's like a
magnet now even though this was
in 2005 and leaked in 2016 and
even though billy bush was now
working for the today show and
not hollywood access where the
tape
was obtained bush was still
fired on moral grounds not
contract obligations it seems
like keeping him
on staff would be a bad look
for the today show despite this
happening over 10 years ago
imagine
that so i find this before his
contract excuse to be weak at
best the ironic thing is bush
was mostly
going along with what was said
chris actually did more than
bush did and suffered less
consequences
as well if chris told the story
multiple times i would assume
one of those times was after
his
contract was signed but don't
worry chris can still run for
president
just listen to how bush
described it affecting his
family what was it like for you
to go back home
after the tape had been
released to face your daughters
your wife what was that moment
like for you
well the initial moments were
uh total chaos the paparazzi
were never interested in me
before and now
they're outside the gate and
ready to go and but once we
settled um and got to connect
there was a powerful
moment my now 16 year old
daughter called me and she was
in tears and she was really
upset and i i said
mary it's it's gonna be okay
you know don't worry and she
said no why were you laughing
at the things that he was
saying
on that bus why were you
playing along with that it wasn't
funny i said mary i am sorry
and there is no
good answer for that if you
take another extreme example do
you guys remember the michael vick
controversy for those who don't
know american football player
michael vick was caught running
a dog fighting
ring you know where they take
poor little puppies and make
them fight to the death for
gambling purposes
why would you do that i'm
pretty sure there's no clause
in his football contract that
says don't do
that but he was also fired on
moral grounds imagine
consequences for your actions
at the very least
let's assume the absolute best
of the situation chris was
being truthful sabre and a will
wasn't there to
hear these conversations this
happened before he was hired
somehow i'm glad a whistleblower
came forward but
even so if this is how someone
is talking about women shouldn't
you tell their future bosses
does an
employee talking about women in
this unethical way make the
company look bad i mean this
isn't just a
slip of the tongue this is a
purposeful attempt to objectify
a woman due to bitterness and
self-esteem
issues and should be taken
seriously in any workplace even
a virtual one like youtube and
the fact that
da games and others value chris's
safety and privacy more than
holding him accountable makes
me worry
because this is harassment and
i don't have to take it new
developments i posted part of
the email
exchange on twitter again and
that blew up i guess da games
released a statement due to
public pressure
if not then they would have
released their statement a year
ago when this email exchange
took place chris is
going away on work training um
can i have proof of that please
because you've already been
pretty
untruthful to me i think you
guys are just trying to wait
until this all dies down and
everyone forgets
and then chris will just
magically appear chris's
statement also came out which
is really respectful i'll
call me an employer oh by the
way i was being sarcastic and
then trying to make himself the
victim
chris if you felt mistreated
this is the first i'm ever
hearing about it so politely
talk to me directly
or shut the fuck up you need to
shut the fuck up i know we have
this dude bro culture around
youtube
entrepreneurs who have never
been to business school before
and don't know about good
company ethics
as far as chris i would hope he
gets an official investigation
into his character from both
parties
and as a lead with the billy
bush example possibly terminated
i don't know if chris has
personally
changed or what his character
is now or if there are any
other victims out there but do
you really
want this kind of guy to be
representing your company to
work in the media industry is a
privilege
why protect sexual harassers
even if it's just a dumb
internet job and i know this
all sucks hearing
this is probably gonna suck
working on this video has
sucked real bad i've cried a
lot but it seems like
that miners are in threat of
being preyed on will himself
has done some suspicious
behavior and it
seems like nothing's going to
change unless it's talked about
in a bigger way i'm as mad as
hell and
i'm not gonna take this anymore
so that's why we're here part
zero disproving kp rep for some
reason
people think i'm unqualified to
do this or have false
information about things that
have happened in the past
they're using to make a
judgment on this case and that's
concerning so let's go ahead
and just prove
some kp is bad stuff for
example when this was trending
on reddit i got comments like
this and if
that's still not enough for you
listen to this and another
aspect that i didn't really
take into account
until rather recently is that
on top of all the work that the
team members are having to do
there's something to be
said for all the work that goes
into managing those team
members i can't imagine it must
be an easy job
because you have to make sure
that everyone is on the same
page with everything all the
time everyone's
keeping up to date with
progress and is generally
handing things in on time all
while trying to keep
them happy and make them feel
like they're in a positive
working environment and at that
point i
said look i'm sorry i couldn't
finish it but i need to get
back to my other work and kp
she let me go
she didn't force me to stay she
didn't say oh you have to keep
working for me she said okay
you can go
maybe i'll contact you again
later when you're not busy
started a channel to spread her
opinions and built a
team around her i've seen her
make mistakes take them to
heart and return improved she
is a leader
so she must lead in the way she
knows but she is always ready
to listen to help and when she
is unsure
seek advice herself in the wake
of all of this i had the
privilege of meeting some of
team kp to which
my initial reaction was she
still has a staff and it's true
bunch of real sweethearts who
in defiance of
twitter reason common sense and
probable human resource statutes
actually still love i love kimpossible
a lot
a lot and take my word for it
they were just as nonplussed
about all this leaks business
as anyone
actually no don't take my word
for it why don't go check out
their page and get it from the
various
horses mouths yourself darling
people a non-kp leak situation
is as follows i do not regret
making it
because at the time i truly
believed i was doing something
for the better good michael
this is illegal
would you really think no one
would check why do you work for
itunes i guess never
underestimate the power
of too long didn't read can i
get paid now rachel for those
playing at home the tldr is
that this is utter
nonsense especially this bit
but kp what about this she was
exposed as a manipulator and a
user uh
somehow she managed to get an
entire team of people to get to
work on her projects only they
didn't get any
compensation for it god forbid
people have hobbies i guess
every reanimated is just an
anti-capitalism
abomination discussed at length
here i remember watching the
video that she posted on
youtube a couple
of years back it was a long
drawn-up video about how she
was almost cancelled from the
community and how
she was a victim of stalking
and her struggles with ptsd
which she brings up like every
time she gets the
opportunity like what shaming
trauma victims probably wasn't
your best move my guy just
saying she probably
felt that because the fandom
had died down a bit nobody
would go on the attack
she also had like a twitter
meltdown when she had to pay
like for her own way into brony
con
i think i can't remember which
convention because i didn't
bother fact checking
whereas other members of the brony
lysis committee like silver quail
got in for free
really goes to show how much of
a tight-knit group they all are
when it comes to preaching
about love and tolerance like
peace that's not what happened
i was frustrated that brony con
changed
their minds about my guest spot
based on false information and
they were informed it was false
information from another
convention head it's very
victim blamey more details here
which probably explains why
why people don't see her much
after that with other committee
members all in all kp just
strikes me as
just another individual who
constantly acts like a spoiled
child who acts out when they
can't get what
they want this guy obviously
doesn't know me because it's
not really my character these
types of individuals
believe that everything should
be like handed to them with
little or no effort simply
because they're
recognized in a group or
community i know it sounds like
i'm saying like hashtag burn
the witch but my
actual point is she's just
another example of what happens
when you let internet or in
this case horse fame
go to your head why would we
work so hard on dumb little
horse videos if they weren't
fun because art and
media are definitely only made
for attention more details here
make me your horse god this is
a confrontation
between someone who was
supposed to be helping the team
but was actively leaking assets
to the team and
lying about it and then they
were caught you can guess how
this confrontation goes but
ladies and gentlemen
the day is aim-minded for more
context zane the head of the
team at the time is a pretty
soft-spoken guy so
this is the maddest i've ever
seen him can do you mind if we
take from here me and yeah
because quite
frankly what the messages were
were betrayal to the team that
you claim to represent i would
say less
so a betrayal to rachel still
still a betrayal though but
quite frankly i'm insulted by
what you chose to do
i you you you sat there you
claimed to be representing the
team you claimed to be wanting
to improve the team
and you sat there and you lied
to our face okay now i'm lost
for words and the fact that i
gave what the
the fuck made you think that
that was okay like how did you
think you were helping how what
the
fuck have you got to say to
yourself and then even now i
gave you the chance to come
clean and say is
there anything you want to say
and you didn't say anything and
you're you were denying it
until i said
i have access i see everything
initially you can see that
maybe your intentions were good
but there's absolutely no
denying the fact that by the
end of that not even by the end
of it
halfway through at the very
least there was no denying that
that's my problem you claimed
that
you were doing this for us and
yet you sat there and lied to
us you lied to me you lied to
every single
person in that group we sat
there and we said can we trust
everyone in this group and you
sat there
and said yes you betrayed the
team okay you betrayed me
personally i'm taking that
personally you sat there
and you told them zane is about
to upload that video and what
did you hope to achieve it
happened that i
was preparing that video and
that's when i told you by the
way we're putting it back up we
made that
decision weeks ago we made that
decision when we posted it in
the radio play chat when people
were set explained that we're
not happy we said yes we have a
video ready we'll upload it in
a few weeks
that's why that video was going
up did you ask me no did you
think that maybe maybe a bit
more something
better could come out of this
if you talk to us okay nothing
good came out of that group
nothing group
sorry that twitter nothing you
know what good came out of this
the skype group the group of
people that
sat down like grown men and
wrote down their complaints
nothing good from that skype
chat do you want to know what
everybody else on the team the
only two
people that have said anything
bad to those to the end on
twitter are the two people in
that group not
on the current team do you know
what everybody else has said to
that twitter they said
off because you're not helping
you are literally here to be
malicious you're here to tease
rachel you are here to nag at
her there is no defending it
that twitter is universally
accepted
not to have been a good thing
the entire team while you were
in that group was saying that
these guys are
dicks nobody on the team
supported them and yet here you
are claiming to represent the
team and supporting
them and lying to the rest of
the team while you do it part
one the original incident with
chris
something i also wasn't aware
of is that will made a
statement after his team member
boggs you know the
one who was harassing me was
fired it doesn't mention me or
that there was any victim or
even what
he did was bad will even calls
him a great person so starting
off on a real high note there
he is no
longer a member of da games uh
he's still a very good friend
of ours um like especially me
like i will
sometimes dm him will be on
twitter the big tweeter
sometimes but i'm not one for
grudges i don't do
that um so don't think this was
out of any bad massive pace um
just a lot of back-end stuff
that kind of
conflicted with our channel
there's a lot of things that uh
didn't meet our requirements
the
videos started getting worse
and worse but it was more or
less just i was pressuring him
a lot
there's a lot of things he had
to do and there just wasn't
enough taking time as to accept
for the
situation that we were going
through come to mention it
there was a lot of like things
that
maybe would have detrimented us
in the long run if we would
have kept this sort of
conversation going
and i don't want to bring in
logistics because that's not a
thing that should i don't want
you
hating the dude because he is a
fantastic being he just did a
lot of wrong things and we we're
all
learning from the niche yeah so
i don't think there was any
mistreatment or i can't really
explain why chris would be so
frustrated enough to do this so
i brought my friend james who
was on the
team at the same time as chris
to give some testimony hi i'm james
i used to work for kpi and i
was the
head editor of our first team i
worked for her for about two to
three years and i was asked to
give a
statement on chris's work ethic
on the team chris in particular
was an extremely good editor
usually
doing stuff the rest of the
team couldn't do but he was
inconsistent with time i'm
coming out about
chris because in his recent
statement chris claimed mistreatment
by being on the team but as
someone who
was there it just seemed like
he had unhealthy and
alternative motivations and it
was clear that he
would often say more than he
could deliver do you think
maybe he's compensating for
something in
particular though he often said
more unsavory things either
just jokes to be funny or what
usually felt more
personal this was never a
paying gig so it seemed that he
was upset that it wasn't
helping his career
money or even romantic
situation it usually felt like
he would push himself to be
really good and then
fell flat like he had ulterior
motives and scoffed at other
editors for their work to make
himself look
better really honing in he was
oddly fixated on if kp liked or
approved his work bragging
which again was
inconsistent in my opinion he
also seemed to have a crush on
kp it seemed obvious to me if
you know what
i mean sometimes he antagonized
another team member to get her
attention and also downplayed
it when
talking with others it was odd
that he would feel unappreciated
when he was acting out of his
own will to
help though not fully joining
the team he still committed to
projects near when he left it
would
be a lot of she doesn't pay us
because she's too greedy
specifically saying anti-jewish
semantics such
as fucking jew will pay us or
another she's cheap or she's
the only one benefiting from
this but the
reality is no one ever got paid
often in private conversations
it would come up but he wouldn't
be shy
about bringing it up during
group conversations and this is
if he attended any meetings at
all
we were a little intimidated by
his status to bring this up to
kp at the time though chris
ultimately
left the team with almost no
word his work ethic dropped
dramatically over the months we
were all
there overall his experience
was wanted helpful but
inconsistent part 1.5 escalation
to being unsafe with
minors if this video was just
about chris making up a gross
story about me a while ago i
can see the
argument for why bring this up
now but things end up extending
to more actions that are
questionable
and make it seem like these
people can't really be trusted
around children we have a
testimony of a
minor who chris made
uncomfortable by mentioning
bestiality to here's that story
she's chosen to be
left anonymous for obvious
reasons but more about that in
the interview back in late 2018
i was in a
voice chat with chris will and
one other person who i cannot
remember they were another fan
so it isn't
very relevant as to who they
were i was 14 at the time i do
not remember how the
conversation got to this
point but at one point chris
made a joke about me being into
bestiality specifically using
the term
bestiality which i didn't
understand at the time i simply
responded being confused about
the joke and
chris seemed to find that funny
my camera was on they were
using a third party tool to
have cameras with voice
chats at the time and i had met
will sometime before to voice
chat in person they had to have
known i was
underage this by itself was not
that awful simply weird but
together with everything else
that has
happened and what these people
have done i think it's
important to share as it shows
a pattern of
people in and around da games
creating an unsafe environment
there is also an incident in wally
con or
sexual images of cartoon
characters that are children
and accidentally exposing that
material
to minors in chris's private
server allegedly detest a bot lally
con is already subjective in
nature in
the first place as people can
make the argument that these
are fictional characters and
not real children
but i don't think anyone will
argue that maybe we shouldn't
be letting children see sexual
imagery
the big problem with that
besides the incident happening
in the first place is that it
was never officially
addressed no apology no nothing
but instead the threads were
deleted sounds kind of sus to
me oh
it gets worse part two will ryan
is a textbook pedo and probably
very unstable person sorry yo
if that
all isn't a big deal then child
grooming is bad right well no
shit so enter player one in
this case the
youtube channel da games for
those who aren't aware da games
is a youtube channel that makes
a variety of
content including let's plays
their own animation and fandom
inspired music the four main
current
members of the channel are chris
will ryan cosmic keyframe or chrissy
and sean webby will himself is
problematic for a bunch of
reasons not limited to dating a
minor in 2015 when he was 23
and that's shady
at best here are the screen
caps these are great i guess
you can be jerry seinfeld who
dated a 17 year old when he was
38.
so uh what are you gonna do
later i got a date with nikki
oh yeah she's a beauty and she's
also 17. bold and beautiful
i'll tell you the big advantage
of dating a high schooler
if you're going out with
someone your own age you can't
take advantage of them
i suppose oh come on that's a
huge feature think about it she's
so young she doesn't realize i'm
a predator
jerry yes i've been doing a lot
of thinking uh-huh
well i don't think we should
see each other anymore oh that's
okay
what no it's fine no problem i'll
meet somebody else sure there
are plenty of high schools in
new york city
it's fine anyway it's been
really nice grooming you for a
while i'm gonna go scope out a
chuck e cheese
yeah you too she'll be coming
round the mountain when she
dating anyone 18 falls into a
legally gray area
depending on what state or
country you're in but the
general rule of thumb is anyone
18 should not be
dating anyone who's younger
than 18. that's the internet
lie i looked it up part 2.5 is
grooming but
the most problematic of all of
this is miners straight up
being groomed in their public
spaces
who you'll hear from in a
second was 15 years old when
someone around 19 years old
started sending
them self-harm pictures censored
screenshots were on screen it's
not a fun video i warned you
was
pressured to help this
individual and manipulated to
break up with their current
partner at the time
this escalated to nude photos
and constant communication
until sage a suicide attempt
and blame
then came back in fake memory
loss until was blocked
completely and how was it
handled in the da games
server contacted will about the
situation who sympathized
privately but didn't do
anything
publicly but like what's
accountability for exposing
miners to a predator and just
left the space on his
own eventually had to make his
own twitter thread with
screenshots to prove the
account was true
i mean come the fuck on the
least you could have done was
ban a pedophile the bare
minimum what's that
let me be queer this isn't only
will's fault it's everyone
involved in the company
including the people
i named before and i know rent
is a thing but sacrificing
putting children at risk
because you don't want to
publicly speak out about this
behavior and threaten your
livelihood and because you don't
want to go to
college is just shitty and
selfish oh you are just the
worst type of person next is
and his friend pixel
talking about problematic
behavior in the da games
community and the situation at
large welcome to the no fun
interview section i have two
people with me who have
previous personal or
professional experiences with
da games in the past and they
made a document about it a year
ago but i brought them on to
share their
personal stories in audio form
so it's a bit easier to digest
as well as to provide some
context to these
things and that these are real
people i promise so why don't
you guys introduce yourselves i'll
go first
i'm i was a fan since 2018
until i came became friends
with will one of the da games
owners in i want to say
2020 2021 i'm not sure um i was
commissioned by him in late
2022 to make a concert outfit
but that's really all i got
um well that's all i have when
it comes to my relation to him
we were friends but not really
so you had a professional
relationship with will yeah i
was commissioned once but that's
about it
okay so pixel what's your
background so i was a fan in
2018 to 2023 and i was a fan
artist in a server
i did a lot of general fan art
and general art interpretations
of his stuff and i never worked
with him like professionally
but i was friends with him
during 2023 and we dm'd pretty
often for a couple
months like we talked to vcs
and stuff how did that start
did he notice your fan art and
start dming you
or what it was kind of
interesting he was friends
first and other than a da game
server there was
another friend server that he
was in and at some point the
topic of me came up when he was
dm and he
noticed that i wasn't on his
friends list and he was just
kind of confused about that and
so it was just
kind of he thought we were
friends already and so it was
around early 2023 that i
accepted his friend request
and we started dming from there
i think we officially started a
conversation after an incident
with his
friend inu she was like harassing
me for like two hours and i had
that conversation with will i
was
like your friend is doing this
and this is what happened and
here's a conversation that we
had
and after that we just started
having normal conversations so
i guess will does this where
he'll just take people from the
fan server and try to build a
personal connection yeah um so
so there's
actually this second server
that a lot of his friends
including like lala and inu are
in um that
sometimes just some people get
invited to i guess okay i guess
from what i'm getting at so far
is there
seems to be a lack of
boundaries not that it's a bad
thing to make friends with fans
or anything but i
feel like it's almost
competitive if you have like a
server of people he likes that
are on the fan server yeah it's
really weird
weird yeah so what happened for
me was i was friends with lala
before um before i was invited
to that server so
So because I had a mutual
friend with Will, me and Lala,
I was invited there. It's
officially Lala's server, but
it mostly gets used for Will's
stuff.
What exactly is in the server?
Is it just like personal jokes
or a similar layout to the
other server, but just kind of
private?
It's supposed to be a friend
group server, but it's really
centered around Will.
Yeah, they had this rule where
if you weren't active enough,
you'll get kicked.
And if you couldn't go to VCs,
you would have to explain
yourself like, oh, I couldn't
join VC today because of X, Y,
and Z.
And generally from my
experience, a lot of people had
to cater to Will, like going
back on joining the server in
general.
They used to let people in
pretty generally, but then they
just kind of restricted access.
Like the only reason I got in
there was because she actually
invited me in there.
A few times she actually gave
out invites, but it's
technically a friend server,
but they have like not official
events, but they do VC a lot.
Sometimes for like days and
they just generally expect you
to be active a lot.
So it seems to me like the
whole point of the server is
for Will to talk to people and
get validation.
Is that it?
Yeah, definitely.
I remember this one time that
me and a friend who was in
there were watching, I think it
was Hellraiser 4.
It was one of the worst Hellraiser
movies.
We were like cracking jokes and
stuff.
And like an hour in, Will
joined and he got upset because
we were talking over the movie
when he didn't even choose to
watch it.
We did.
Were there any minors in the
server?
Yes.
Yeah, there were.
I'm not going to say names, but
I remember there being like
several, at least.
So I guess it's kind of
questionable that he made a
separate server to invite
mostly fans of his main server,
which I guess is the worst
thing in the world, obviously.
But it's things like the
boundaries that are weird, the
rules as far as VCing that are
weird, and the fact that there
are minors in there.
Were there inappropriate jokes
and stuff like that?
Yeah, there used to be an NSFW
chat even, and like people
would just share their kinks in
there and stuff.
I remember this.
It got deleted eventually, but
it was weird.
Like, the time I was in there,
and the chat still existed, I
was a minor at the time.
I think.
I don't remember exactly, I'm
sorry, but.
Yeah, it was really sexual and
racist and stuff.
Okay, not off to a good start.
So that seems to be the running
theme with DA games in general,
that they're being
inappropriate with minors.
They make inappropriate or not
safe for jokes in front of minors,
and no one seems to be willing
to do anything about it.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, sometimes they, like for
forever now, I want to say,
they refuse to even acknowledge
that there are minors in their
audience.
Yeah, I remember that when the
first version of Doc dropped,
we were bringing up the point
that he was trauma dumping to
minors, and talking about
things that younger kids
shouldn't be hearing, and he
relies a lot on his fanbase for
personal support.
There's an entire channel in
that server dedicated to just
giving him specifically support,
and the entire movement server
is dedicated by how he's
feeling that day.
And when we mentioned that in
our document, like, hey, he's
trauma dumping, he's talking
about all these horrible things
without a filter to these
people.
And people were giving the
excuse, well, they're older
teens, they're like this age.
When in reality, the age range
was like, was a lot broader
than like 16, 17.
They were 14 year olds, 13 year
olds in there.
The broader range is like from
13 to early 20s in that server,
and it's unfair to assume that
just because it appears that
people are older, that you
should trauma dumps to these
people.
They did have an NSFW channel
in that main server, but I wasn't
around when it was a thing.
And what year was this about?
I'm not entirely sure.
I remember being there when
that channel got deleted.
I think.
When did you guys join the
server?
Um, I joined the server in May
2018, and it was around then.
I joined in December.
I don't know how long it was
around, like the server has
existed since 2016, but it may
have been around since the
beginning, I'm not sure.
But it was around 2018, that's
for sure.
And another thing I wanted to
bring up is that the moderators
do not go through formal
training, from what I could
tell.
I was there, and he just picked
someone, and he was like, oh,
you should be a moderator now,
you've been a friend for long
enough.
And like I said, he's hired
minor moderators.
The most recent one just turned
18 last year.
They graduated high school last
year, and they were a moderator
the entire time in the server
from 2018 to 2023.
And I'm 20 now, so they were
younger than me that entire
time.
And as far as I'm aware, I
heard they were recommended to
someone.
No, they got picked randomly.
They got picked randomly.
I remember this.
Yeah, it was weird.
They just got picked for no
reason.
And they even told me several
times in DMs when they were a
moderator, like, you should
have been it, not me.
Because, I don't know.
They thought of them themselves
as not being capable enough to
be a moderator, but they still
were anyway.
Yeah, I can get the point of
having moderators being
subjective, but at the very
least, they should not be minors.
They should also know it's
actual work, and should be okay
with whatever work they get.
Usually mods are like, hey,
minor, don't go on the 18 plus
chat.
Or, have a question, we'll help
you.
Just just like that.
Exactly.
So was the minor activity in
both servers the only thing
that gave off red flags, or was
there any other behavior?
Oh, there was way more.
I remember in the DMs community,
there was a lot of predators,
like, groomers and such.
And they got exposed, like,
monthly sometimes.
Like, every other month there
would be another one.
And they would never get
acknowledged by the team.
And it was just horrible.
Like, um, this is going to get
very personal real quick, but
at some point I was groomed by
someone in there.
And I exposed them, like, two
years ago.
Um, and I posted it in the
server.
Like, I made a Twitter thread.
And I posted it in there.
Well, I had my, I asked my,
like, my friend to post it.
Because I didn't want it to do
it myself, because I was a
public figure at the time in
the DMs community.
Um, and it got deleted.
Like, instantly.
Because it was just drama tarnishing
the brand.
And...
So to summarize, it's not
abnormal for predators to be
attracted to online spaces that
maybe make fandom content.
But it's kind of scary when the
mod team is burying it.
One of them literally got
arrested for having CP in their
possession.
Um, yeah, there's this one guy
that got arrested for, like, 34
accounts of child f***ing.
Like, three years ago.
And they never got acknowledged
by the DM either.
And he was pretty prominent in
the server.
He would make animations and...
He was really popular.
And he was kicked once that
came out, at the very least,
right?
We don't know.
There's a prob...
There's a probability he
probably was.
But they do have a thing where,
like, if you suspect someone
being weird, they will
investigate and kick them.
But...
It's done very badly.
It's done really badly.
Like, from personal experience,
it's so bad.
Like, I tried to come forward
about my rumor, like, way
before I posted about it.
And they were like, hey, do you
have proof of this?
And I was like, no, I deleted
those chats because I don't
want to see that s***.
And they were like, okay, but
you can get him back.
And I was like, okay, how could
it f***ing help me?
Because I was panicking.
And they were like, figure it
out yourself.
So, you're going to tell a
child in a panic state to just
figure it out themselves or
else we're not.
Or otherwise we're not going to
do anything.
It's really weird.
Um, I don't know.
I'm getting heated.
I'm sorry.
No, it's okay.
It's just so f***ing dumb to me
that they don't do the bare minors
or just, like, don't have a
server that's open to minors.
It reminds me of last year when
he was doing a set list for
MomoCon.
And he has these killer robots.
And he was going to describe in
detail how they kill people.
And I was asking, like, well,
shouldn't you put a content
warning on there?
Since most people are, like,
coming for the DA game stuff.
And he laughed at me.
He was like, no, why should I
do that?
I have a song called Mr. Dirty
Balls playing.
People should know that we're
not for kids because that song
is playing.
And learning the next day he
had to add a content warning
anyway.
So I just kind of, like, threw
up my hands.
Like, okay, you had to add one
anyway.
So why were you throwing a fit
about it?
Yeah.
He gets upset at, like, the
smallest things ever.
And it's so annoying.
So it's really hard to, like,
come forward about bigger stuff,
too.
Were any of the other team
members supportive when you
came forward?
Because my understanding is
that when you go to Will for
stuff, he kind of brushes it
off.
Well, he either brushes it off
or he sends HR.
The person that's currently HR
usually will just go into your
DMs and be like,
Yo, don't bring negative stuff
to Will.
He cannot handle it right now.
And he never handles it.
So it's frustrating as hell.
And they just made them HR this
year.
Is the HR person a public
figure?
Not anymore.
They did have a Twitter account.
But one of the gripes I have is
that as an HR person, they live
with him.
They're friends with everyone
in there.
So when it comes to certain
situations like yours,
technically they should not be
handling that because they are
not a mutual third party.
Does she have, like, a social
presence?
Like, is she known for being
friends with Will?
Yes.
To some degree.
Like, if to some degree she is
public, when, like, when you go
into DMs livestream, she will
be there as a moderator.
Things such as, like that.
It seems like the running theme
is Will can't handle whatever
the conflict is because he can't
address it.
Yeah, pretty much.
Okay.
So let's talk about some
troublesome behavior you saw
from Will.
I know he dated a minor in 2015
and there was a lot of N slurs
and a lot of anti-Semitic slurs.
Great stuff.
Do you have any antidotes or
things to share on top of that?
Just recently someone did some
more digging when they found
out on a livestream clip that
was looking at some site called,
like, youngp***** or youngpeoplep*****.com
and they did some more digging
on their waypack machine.
What drove you to make this
document?
Was it the predator thing?
Like, what was the straw that
broke the camel's back and you
just were like, f**k it, we
need to write all this stuff
down?
I think it was just generally,
we were frustrated about a lot
of things.
We talked to each other and
then we found out about the NSFW
stuff.
And we decided, nope, this
needs to get out there.
That's pretty much how it went.
We stumbled across it as well.
We were literally just messing
around and that's when we found
it and thought, well, this
doesn't look right.
And we did some digging and we
were like, this isn't right at
all.
So you went back through Will's
history and saw the anti-semitism
and, um, there's one point
where he justifies using the N-word
as a white person.
And I thought that was really
sad.
So what was the response when
he released the first version
of the document?
Well, the first version came
out, like, really weird.
Like, we tried to get, like,
fans to see it.
So we made a fan account and
then, like, turned it into the
release account.
It was stupid.
Um, that one went really bad.
And, like, you can say more
about that.
Like, it affected you mostly.
Yeah, it just went really badly.
We were still fans at that
point.
And we were just, like, really
heartbroken.
So the doc was very emotionally
charged.
And it had, and it just had
stuff in it, in there that didn't
really need to be in there.
And then also after he came out
trending on Twitter, like, two
mods, one of them was this HR
person, came to me and they put
me in, like, a group chat and
they told me, you have to fix
this.
And I'm like, I'm in a college
class.
I can't fix this right now.
But I still had to do this
anyway.
And after a couple more
screenshots came out, the HR
person was like, is there
anything else that's going on?
Because if there is, I'm one
step away from flipping
switches and learning lives.
And I was really scared at that
point.
And shit rightfully kicked me
from the friend group because I
was so scared of what was going
to happen to them.
I just ended up throwing the
runner at the bus because I was
so scared and under pressure.
Like, we changed the password
for the Twitter account and
everything because we could not
have this go south.
Yeah, and when the second
document came out, I reached
out to f*** again.
And I was basically confirmed
that that was what happened.
And I put out my secondary
statement on Twitter because
the initial apology, well, the
quote-unquote apology, that I
made the first time, it went
through those two people.
And it was heavily sanitized.
They wanted me to say he
apologized in B.C., he did this,
he did that.
And I was supposedly there to
witness when he did those
things.
And as a result, people started
disregarding everything as fake.
And so I wanted to make that
secondary statement to explain
that nothing was fake.
And I was frustrated into
writing something I didn't
really believe in.
And then later, those two
people would come forward in
private and apologize to me for
doing that.
So let me get this straight,
guys.
So two official DA games
ambassadors, mods, whatever you
want to call them, basically
tried to legally threaten you
to formally apologize or else,
waggy finger.
Is that basically what happened?
Pretty much.
This H4 person, she's worried
about being a former Kiwi
farmer and, like, digging stuff
up about people.
So I knew she had a capacity to
do those types of things.
Those people on those sites do.
And I don't want that to happen
to me.
I don't want that to happen to
f*** me and the other people
who were working there.
Yeah, I was especially scared.
I was especially scared because
they will commission me.
Like, what if they save the
packaging?
I send his outfit in and have
my address.
Like, I was scared as f***.
So I logged you out because I
could not have what happened to
me.
Yeah, that's fair.
So what happened after you
released the second doc?
Did anyone come after you or
try to have you reprimanded?
There was this...
It was really weird.
Like, this time it went okay.
Like, we posted it on, like,
the Reddit and stuff.
And it actually...
That's a reaction.
It was really cool.
But there was also this one
person that either was the HR
person or someone pretending to
be HR person.
We still haven't figured that
out.
Chris, well, the HR person has
a habit of stalking me,
specifically.
And they threatened to...
They acted like they were going
to sue me.
Yeah, I remember that.
It was just horrible.
Another thing is the second doc,
it just kind of inspired
someone to go through the
server logs.
And they found that people like
Chris were going through and
deleting all the racist stuff
that they said.
And they found videos.
And they made, like, a whole
archive just going back.
That they were, like, just
going back and deleting things.
So Chris got caught being
racist and sexist just in
general?
Yeah, pretty much.
So before I move on to the last
question, can you guys give
some context, as much as you
can, from the anonymous Chris
story that you interviewed the
victim for?
So that's actually my best
friend, who told an anonymous
story.
So this had to do with her
username, which had the word
animal in it, and then her name.
And, um, so it actually came
from that.
Like, it was weird.
Why did they say that?
Why did they think it was
appropriate to say that to a 14-year-old
they knew was 14?
What took me off guard is that
the 14-year-olds had met Will
before.
Was that at a convention?
Yes, it was at a convention.
Okay, okay, cool.
At least that's purple.
They were also pretty prominent
as a person in the community.
So it would be weird if they
didn't know how old she was.
Is she still prominent?
No, she got banned.
And now she fucking hates their
guts, so...
So the whole team has a
controlling presence with their
fan base and on social media,
right?
Yeah.
Yeah, pretty much.
So my last question is, unless
you guys wanted to add anything
else as far as any general
stories or experiences or
anything.
So as I mentioned before, I was
a fan artist, and at the
beginning of Iris, I would make
interpretations of characters.
And Will would go on the chat
and say,
These interpretations give me
anxiety because now I'm scared
they're not going to be able to
live up to these expectations.
Let me backtrack.
What is Iris?
Is that a song they've done?
I'm not familiar with their
content, really.
It's one of his IPs.
Yeah, it's an original story.
Yeah, it's a dystopia thing.
There's a lot of characters,
but not a lot of designs.
So what a lot of people like
myself did was like,
Let's make a design on this
character based on this very
vague description that he had.
And people would also make
covers of songs too, and he'd
get high amounts of anxiety
over it.
And in some cases, he'd call it
defacing.
I got caught out for the way I
drew on the just killer robots.
Because he was like,
Well, now you made my design
look like horseshit, even
though I heard no one else
complaining about his design or
anything like that.
And then on top of that, a
bunch of other artists started
apologizing.
Like, yeah, we're so sorry.
We didn't know.
A strawing, this stuff upset
you so much.
And you never said anything
until now.
And he made it a rule in the
server for a while that you
couldn't post interpretations.
Or you couldn't post covers
with more than one instrument
or more than one vocal track.
And he just now changed that
rule.
I heard from someone that's
still in there that he just
changed the rule back to where
it was before, so you can do
that again.
He's like, yeah, I'm not going
to get over that because that's
the stupidest fucking thing.
He should be happy that people
are making fan art because they
enjoy the thing.
It's like he's punishing his
fans.
Yeah, even on Twitter, someone
was asking about it.
He's like, well, I'll go
forward in making more
character designs when I'm sure
that they won't be tampered
with.
And just a lot of extreme words
for stuff that wasn't extreme.
Being a young artist at the
time, I was 16.
And that was devastating to me.
And when I was telling him, you
know, it was really hurt when
you said that.
He was like, well, don't have a
cow.
It's not that bad.
Without really acknowledging
how I felt or how any of these
other people felt about that.
That's a problem he generally
has.
Like when someone comes forward
to him about how he hurt their
feelings.
It's like, yeah, but it's not
that bad.
Like, bro, you hurt someone.
It's not cool, man.
Oh, it's so dumb.
It's so dumb.
I mean, the predator shit and
the child porn is probably the
worst of it.
Okay, to recap.
So I was going to say it sounds
like it's pretty bad between
the allowing predators to be in
their spaces
and not really doing anything
about it or threatening people
who make fan art
or Will dating a minor and Will
looking up child porn.
I remember seeing that because
I thought that was the worst
thing Will specifically had
done.
And then Chris just had the
behavior of being sexist and
racist too
and gross with minors.
So what would you guys like to
gain from coming forward on a
bigger platform and speaking
about your stories?
So my original goal would be
like acknowledgement of this
stuff happening.
But like, I don't think that's
going to happen.
Like ever being realistic.
I don't know exactly what I
want anymore.
Like, I just want this stuff
out there.
I guess.
That's all I can do.
What I personally think is Will
needs to take a break from the
internet
because this sounds really
unhealthy from a third party
perspective.
I'm just going to sound...
This is going to sound really
mean, but I don't think he's
capable of taking a break from
the internet.
I mean, he went on a camping
trip for his family and he was
on his phone and was in voice
calls the entire time.
So even then, when he was
supposed to be out in nature,
he wasn't taking a break.
There was multiple times he
said he'd leave Twitter and
then he never did.
I believe someone caught him
lurking because he was
pretending to be off of Twitter.
But then like, he retweeted
something and then quickly unretweeted
it.
He's on Instagram mostly now.
And even now he's pretending to
like, be offline on Discord.
Something I've noticed too is
that people who enable him are
dependent on him.
Like the HR person who's a
roommate of his and is
dependent on the channel's
income in order to live.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the HR person lives with
him and doesn't have a job
outside of HR for DA games.
I think we don't know because
they're not a public figure.
We don't have any connection to
them anymore.
But I think the only thing they
do in their life is sit in Will's
house and send out angry emails
to us.
This is what the kids call an
allegation.
Something we don't know if it's
true, but it's based on a
theory and evidence.
Sounds like a healthy work
environment.
So the only time they
acknowledge anything wrong is
when I retweeted one of the
emails a couple of weeks before
this recording.
And they were like, Chris is
taking a break.
Chris is taking hiatus.
Which I think means we're going
to wait until this blows over
because we're not going to show
you any proof that Chris went
to any HR training.
I'm going to go out on a limb
and allege that he did not go
through any training.
Like I said, the HR person only
made HR, was only made HR this
year.
DA is only for people.
Even emailing and doing NDA was
against the ACAS guidelines.
So I don't know what training
he would have done if there was
any.
I think we had a timeline down.
Like a day or so after your
tweet came out, he left Twitter
the day after.
He was streaming the night
after and a day or two
afterwards, he was saying I got
trained.
Like at what point during that
timeline would he be getting
trained?
Yeah, and keep in mind for
those who don't remember, I had
the original conversation with
HR a year ago.
And I was feeling antsy because
I wanted to make a video for a
while and we were waiting for
the right time.
And then this blew up and I'm
like, this would have been
great a year ago.
But ideally, it doesn't sound
like the team is even safe to
make content because of their
influence around others.
Like Will himself dated a 17
year old when how old was Will?
22 to 23.
Ugh, great.
So when you date a 17 year old,
regardless of when it happened,
you should know better.
Like Chris telling the story,
regardless of when it happened,
he should know better.
So I guess we'll hope for the
best.
I think at the very least, if
there's going to be any changes,
they have to show proof and a
plan or else no one's going to
believe them at this point, I
think.
A public apology is probably a
good start.
Yeah, that's like the big thing.
Like, you would think that
nobody would believe what DA
are saying, but...
They do.
And it's weird.
Like, even when you show proof,
they're like, no, it's fake.
It's fake.
You're just haters.
Like, their fan base is very...
Yeah, their...
Yeah, their fan base is like
very...
Um...
They just really want to
believe that they're good
people when they're not because...
Who knows why, actually.
It's because he built up a
parasocial relationship with
them.
True.
Even with the lolly thing, when
we told people about that, they
were still like, well...
Actually, he was using it to
test a bot.
And I'm like, well, why is it
still there?
And it wasn't even in the same
server.
Again, the fans have a very
parasocial relationship.
You have this mature 20-something-year-old
telling you all his deepest
secrets and stuff.
And all his childhood traumas
and you feel closer to him.
And on top of that, you have
this whole Discord channel
dedicated to just giving him
support.
You're encouraged to look at
his Discord status and see
which state he's in.
When I was younger, he'd even
pull...
He'd even go as far as to, like,
delete his Twitter account and,
like, threaten to delete the
YouTube account because he was
feeling bad.
And when you're put through
that over and over again, you
want to feel close.
You want to feel like, this
person can't be bad.
I did all this for him.
I went through all this for him.
And I'm just sorry.
I'm getting really a bit heated
here because, again, I went
through all of that.
And it's such an emotional,
draining thing to go through.
It's like, no, you shouldn't be
doing this to 13-18-year-olds.
You shouldn't be telling them
all these things.
Like, I'm going to delete my
YouTube channel where, you know,
when I was bullied, I got my
head bashed in.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, the worst example I
remember is, I think, that he
said in his Discord server that
he was going to kill himself
because his fans were so
fucking annoying.
I don't have proof of this,
sadly.
I remember seeing it.
He posted a suicide note on
Twitter.
Right, several times.
And then Chloe had to come out
saying, no, guys, he's fine.
And then he just, like, he
never deleted it afterwards.
And he didn't kill himself.
He's okay.
He posted several times, like,
while he was in a hospital as
well.
Yeah, I remember this happening
when I just was a fan.
Like, when I, like, 2018, 2019,
this was happening a lot.
And, like, I felt super close
to him when I literally just
knew him for, like, four months.
It was weird.
Like, I felt this super close
connection to him.
And now I understand why.
And it's so fucking awful.
On that note, do you guys have
any advice for people that are
kind of in similar shoes that
you were
when you were finding all this
stuff out?
Talk to people.
Like, you're not alone going
through this.
Like, please talk to people.
Even people that are still fans.
Like, talk to them.
And it's okay if you don't feel
okay going through this.
Because it's fucking hard.
Having to sever a connection
that feels so close and
personal.
Who is someone who turns out to
be a terrible person.
Like, it's okay to feel bad.
It's okay to feel sad for the
things you lose.
Um, it's okay.
Like, you're gonna be fine.
Talk to people.
Yeah, I agree that wholeheartedly.
Like, just talk to people.
One of the driver factors that
led me to become friends with
**** again is that I talked to
someone about everything that
happened.
And I suggest just to talk to
people who are outside of the
server.
Go to different servers.
And just know that this is
nothing.
This is not how things are
supposed to be.
Like, I talked to a friend who
had nothing to do with DA or
anything.
And they were like, that's not
normal.
That's not something that
should be happening on a
regular basis.
Yeah, I think that's a good
note to end on.
Therapy's good, guys.
Alright, well, I guess on that
note we can end.
Thanks everyone for being here
and telling your stories.
It sounds like a hot mess.
It is.
Like, it's so messy right now.
Like, on the DAGN subreddit
currently they're like censoring
words.
You cannot say the number 11
anymore.
**** like that.
It's stupid.
And if you try to post anything
without context,
I was trying to post context of
what was going on earlier
and they just deleted it
immediately.
Yeah, they nuke it instantly.
Like, I go bans from the Reddit.
As someone who took a media
literacy course,
this is not how you deal with
backlash.
You apologize,
but it's kind of hard to
recover
when you have miners and
predators in the same space
and you haven't really done
anything about it.
These are really serious issues
that aren't like a oopsie, so...
No.
They're dealing with it so
badly,
like, it's embarrassing for
them.
I know.
I heard through a mutual friend
that they originally weren't
going to say anything
because they didn't see a
reason for it.
They were like,
oh, there's no reason for it.
It's going to go away.
All right.
Thanks everyone for listening.
Yes.
Thank you.
So there's three players in
this Shakespearean tragedy.
Chris, a former member of my
production team
who made up this gross story
about me,
his first boss, DA Games,
a YouTube channel run by Will
Ryan,
and his second boss,
another YouTuber named Saberspark.
Misk,
Will's Nazi racist and anti-Semitic
memes.
There's also, um,
racist and anti-Semitic memes.
It never ends here.
Part three,
how DA Games handled the Chris
situation.
Badly.
Back to the Chris situation,
the DA Games team first
responded to the situation
privately in November of 2023,
citing the issue had been
resolved to their own
satisfaction
and that Chris didn't work for
them at that time,
even though there's proof that
suggests otherwise,
and that Will Ryan was likely
in the room
to hear the story recounted at
least once.
They continued to lie about my
legal rights
and basically put pressure on
me to stay quiet about
everything.
We'll show you those emails in
a second.
At a last ditch attempt,
DA Games attempted to send me a
cease and desist.
So we're going to go through
some highlights of the emails
here,
but feel free to pause the
video and read them for any
context that you'd like.
Hi, Matilda.
I was told to contact you
regarding the Aficionados Chris
case.
Many months later.
Hi, Matilda and the DA Games
team.
It's been three months since I
last reached out,
and I'm disappointed in the
lack of urgency.
I'm reaching out one last time,
discuss the issue,
and solve it privately.
Hi, KP.
Thanks for your patience.
Chris informed us that the
recording between you and him
was not consensual.
Nonetheless, we listened to the
recording ourselves and have
determined that the two of you
had already reached a
resolution.
You will allow the actions of
the past to be forgotten and
forgiven.
It is also our understanding
that all of this took place
before Chris was an employee of
DA,
meaning that he was not under
contract at the time of the
incident.
Therefore, as a company, we do
not have the jurisdiction to
punish him in this situation as
he has not breached contract.
I'm disappointed with the lack
of action taken regarding these
issues and your lack of alarm
in terms of how it reflects
upon your company's priorities,
values, and internal culture.
Also, regarding the recording
and Chris's statement, fact is,
whether or not Chris engaged in
the activity,
he openly spoke about doing it
allegedly in calls involving
his coworkers post having his
position within the company and
after,
as late as 2019.
This is highly inappropriate,
morally unacceptable language
to use when conducting oneself
around coworkers,
much less when his attempt to
convey approval from peers and
a superior by presenting
himself as a sexual harasser.
If he was bragging about sexual
misconduct involving a minor,
would that change your response?
Because if the answer is yes,
you should be taking this
seriously because sexual
harassment is sexual harassment.
By continuing to employ Chris,
you not only condone his
behavior, but actively
encourage it within your
workplace-related settings.
At this point, it's a matter of
safety for myself and members
of our communities,
and me attempting to handle
this issue privately is a
courtesy,
one that seemingly is not being
honored, in fact, dismissed.
If no satisfactory result is
brought about, I have no
problems going public.
We will review this case again
and decide on appropriate
disciplinary action.
This will be handled internally
and confidentially, of course.
We would like to state that we
do not represent Chris in any
legal capacity.
DA Games as a company does not
tolerate threats of defamation
or libel.
If you go public, we have the
right to pursue legal action.
We will share the results of
the investigation with KP, but
only on the condition that she
signs a confidentiality
agreement.
Part 4. How Saberspark handled
the Chris situation.
Badly.
Next is YouTuber Saberspark,
who primarily makes animated
themed content, and generally
seems not to care about the
situation unless he is listed
as an employer of Chris.
I originally contacted Saber
through his staff, and here are
the Discord messages to prove
that.
I hate it here.
There were talks of a hiring
change, and I assume Chris was
terminated from working with
Steven due to that.
Cool. One last thing to worry
about.
Then it got worse.
Turns out, nothing happened.
Cool.
Oh, there's a big surprise!
I tried following up, but never
heard anything.
Cut to November of this year,
where Steven is mentioned in
that email asking for an NDA to
look into the Chris issue.
This eventually escalated into
a public spectacle when I
shared the NDA email on Twitter.
One of the people in that
thread tagged Steven directly,
and then...
Thanks for the support, guys.
It's emotionally draining, but
I feel like being critical of
online spaces, especially when
you try to solve things
privately first, is important.
Were you able to contact Saber
or anyone that currently works
for him about Chris?
I contacted Saber through some
friends in common. Never heard
about an official firing,
though.
I was never contacted by any
friend of yours, nor did you
ever make any attempt to reach
out to me on your own behalf
via Twitter, email, or anywhere
else.
You are omitting so much
information right now, but I'll
provide some here in a sec,
under your original post.
Dude, we can talk privately.
I have screenshots that I
contacted both... and... and...
and...
Are you going to record the
call without telling me the
same way you did to Chris, too?
Talk to me privately.
I'm not doing this back and
forth on Twitter.
Then don't app me with your
half-truths and omitted
information in order to gain
sympathy and slander my name.
I'm 100% to debunk every accusation
in your video.
I have no idea how you can
claim due diligence when you
never reached out to me.
Don't fucking talk to me like
that.
Don't call me a fucking liar
when I have the screenshots to
back me up.
And if you're aware of the call,
then the information got back
to you regardless.
If there was some decision made,
I never heard about it.
I'm ending this conversation.
So a couple of things to unpack
here besides me not purposely
tagging Stephen.
It was a third party.
Regardless, Stephen proceeded
to call me a liar publicly.
You calling me a liar?
I ain't calling you a truther.
Proceeded to tease me about
doing an unsolicited recording
and to slander him.
Slander is spoken.
In print, it's libel.
Some red flags to this response.
1. Stephen could have calmly
asked who I talked to instead
of assuming the worst.
2. His anger was directed at me
and not an employer, Chris
himself.
3. Stephen is claiming that I
never contacted him directly,
implying that he had no
information about this,
but admits to knowing the
confrontation with Chris was
recorded.
Hmm.
Sounded like some bullshit to
me.
By the way, I wasn't going to
make fun of Stephen so much,
but I gave him so many chances
to communicate with me and he
just didn't do anything,
so clearly he doesn't care what
I have to say.
It's only an issue when there's
potential backlash.
I've come to make an
announcement.
Shadow the Hedgehog is a bitch-ass
motherfucker.
He pissed on my fucking wife.
That's right.
He said his dick was this big,
and I said,
that's disgusting.
So I'm making a call-out post
on my Twitter.com.
Shadow the Hedgehog, you got a
small fucking dick.
It's the size of this walnut,
but way fucking smaller.
And guess what?
Here's what my dong looks like.
That's right, baby.
All points.
No quills.
No pillows.
Look at that.
It looks like two balls and a bong.
He fucked my wife.
Guess what?
I'm gonna fuck the Earth.
That's right.
That's what you get.
My super laser piss.
Except I'm not gonna piss on
the Earth.
I'm going higher.
I'm gonna piss on the Moon.
How do you like that, Obama?
You have 23 hours before the
piss droplets fall on the Earth.
Now get out of my fucking sight
before I piss on you too!
So what I think happened is
that Stephen was informed by Pym,
didn't know it came from me,
discussed it, blew it off, or
decided it was nothing, and
forgot about it until he
started facing some public
backlash and proceeded to blame
me.
Because he was so concerned
with direct communication, I
ended up sending him this email
detailing who I talked to, why
this is important, and why this
isn't a single incident.
Good afternoon, Stephen.
This email is your requested
private communication regarding
Chris and the overall sexual
harassment situation that he
has caused.
Our full incident report can be
found here if needed.
Since you publicly displayed
confusion at best about my
attempting communication with
you prior to this point, below
are screenshots of my
conversations with K*cking and
K*cking, aka the friends/employees
I passed Chris's information to.
The conversation with K*cking
specifically mentions a
possible staffing change based
on Chris's actions, and I
honestly cannot fathom a
situation where there would be
that drastic of an employee
change or discussion without
your knowledge.
Screenshots can be found here,
here, and here.
I do not appreciate you calling
me a liar publicly, and I would
like some form of public
apology.
He didn't give me one.
Additionally, your public
statement states that you knew
the confrontation between me
and Chris was recorded as a
matter of community safety.
Combined with your email
interactions with EA Games, it
leads me to believe that,
unless there is some major miscommunication,
you are aware of the situation
you have chosen in action.
You still have the choice to
either hold Chris accountable,
i.e. firing him with proof, or
keep him on staff.
Should you choose the former,
please communicate this to me
as soon as possible to avoid
any miscommunication in any
public statements/information
present after.
If you believe this is a one-time
incident, this document linked
below has logged some of Chris's
other inappropriate behavior,
including but not limited to
making bestiality jokes to
someone he knew as a minor, and
the use of the N-word in Nazi
imagery with himself and will
of the EA Games.
You can find more information
on page 4 and 29 of this
document.
I have been clear on screen
shots of the bestiality
incident if requested.
I hope that we can clearly
communicate about this going
forward.
I have no desire to get into an
internet squabble with you, so
let's please work this out like
adults.
And do you know what happened?
No response to the email, but
suddenly the Twitter exchange
got deleted? Where did it go?
Nowhere to be found. No apology,
no clarification. Just deleted
the evidence that he knew about
the situation and covered his
tracks and enabled the weird
dude because god forbid Stephen
have to find a new editor or
even do the public apology that
I asked him to when he falsely
threw me under the bus.
I believe Stephen realized I
wasn't lying and instead of
talking to me directly or
apologizing to me, he just
deleted the thread. So if
Stephen wasn't hiding anything
or wasn't sus, why didn't he
just ask me about the Chris
stuff? He just assumed
automatically that I was lying
and started yelling. Very
defensive. Very sus. What
exactly was the move here,
Stephen? Do you think just
deleting the thread, putting
your fingers in your ears and
going "la la la la la" would
make this all go away? More of
the story is to fire creepy
people on your staff even if it's
inconvenient to you.
Stephen, it is clear to me that
you do not wish to correspond
with any direct communication
despite you personally
requesting so. To say I'm
disappointed with your behavior
would be a severe understatement.
You called me a liar publicly
without even asking for the
truth or further clarification.
To me, it seems like the only
reason why you wanted to get
involved is that your name was
attached, and you're more
interested in damage control
for your brand than your brand's
actual integrity. I feel like
we wouldn't even be having this
conversation if there was not
another YouTuber in your space.
I hope that you can be
professional about this going
forward, even though frankly,
You haven't been through this
entire nightmare ordeal. But
clearly, that is not possible.
Hey Rachel, to start things off,
I replied to you on Twitter the
way I did, out of frustration
due to the misinformation you
have about me, and how you were
talking about me without ever
contacting me directly prior. I'd
imagine you'd feel the same
frustration if someone had
incorrect info about you, and
probably you do, with how some
people went after you in the
past, with false information.
I truly don't want to engage in
internet drama that operates
off of gossip, but the amount
of misinformation you have is
staggering, so I will set the
record straight. As far as you
and me, I'm dumbfounded. We
hung out, and that was it. I'm
not sure what you saw in
hanging out with me, but we
just went our separate ways.
All in all, I feel blindsided
by your emails Rachel. How can
you say that you're coming to
me as an impartial individual?
As far as Chris goes, I heard
through second hand sources,
of his stupid joke, that Chris
made amends with you, and that
was the end of it. Only for me,
to get accusatory emails,
months later? You never reached
out to me officially, so how
could I acknowledge anything
besides what-?
Finally, I do have a lawyer,
and I will gladly bring him
into our conversation to clear
the air if needed. Now that it
has come to this degree of
misinformation on your end, I
will do everything within my
power to clear the record for
the truth, and that includes
exploring legal avenues if
necessary. I hope this
information helps and convinces
you to reconsider your position.
Regards, Stephen.
Stephen, you've already passed
the allotted time I've given
you to deal with the situation
privately, as outlined in my
first email, which I feel is
ridiculous considering you had
access to this information for
more than a year, regardless of
where it came from. If you're
now going to sit there and
threaten me with legality after
this many private attempts at
communication, I will not be
entering any further discussion
with you after this last
correspondence and cutting
contact with you at this point.
The reality is I'm incredibly
uncomfortable with your general
approach in which your previous
email
and how your public
correspondence has been
addressed, as well as you in
general.
So I'll keep this as brief as
possible.
To add to this, this whole, I
will fight you for the truth,
tone,
your whole last email and the
Twitter thread is drenched with,
undermines the actual issues of
the conversation.
On top of assuming I'm going to
publish falsifiable information.
Is that how you talk to someone
who's treated poorly by a
current employee in the past?
Based on all of your previous
conversations, forgive me if
you're not on the top of my
list of people who treat me
with assumed respect.
In regards to your response on
my Twitter posting,
your heated response calling me
a liar and questioning my
character publicly is
unacceptable.
How you were particularly
feeling at the time doesn't
justify calling people names
and treating them poorly.
As well, you could have DM'd me
as requested several times or
asked for further information
before responding in such a
tone.
When all I ask regarding this
exchange is for you to
apologize publicly for
something you did publicly,
you instead doubled down in the
last message and tried to
justify your feelings, and only
privately at that.
This doesn't strike me as
someone who is dealing with the
situation with the utmost
maturity,
but a desperate attempt to
distract from the actual issues
and make yourself the victim.
The fact that you are going
about this route again, even
after I proved I wasn't lying
the first time, is fucking deranged.
Regarding your access to the
information about the incident
regarding Chris,
and your insistence that I was
the one who directly discussed
the information about Chris
instead of your general access
to said information seems to be
misguided.
Do I have to tell you directly
what to do with an employee
incident of this scale for
anything to happen?
I shared the confirmation I had
from both and that you had said
information,
which came off as indifference
based on what I felt,
as well as your correspondence
with DA Games alluding to such,
as well as there being a public
safety report available,
with public contact information
present for over a year
regarding the situation.
So I don't understand how it's
particularly relevant how you
learned your employee sexually
harassed someone in the past,
it just matters that it
happened.
Even assuming you didn't know
about Chris's actions up to the
Twitter exchange,
I still emailed you directly to
discuss it before it reached
this point,
and you seemed to ignore that
email and only responded to a
second after my frustration
became clearer.
To be frank, it doesn't matter
how the perpetrator feels how
the resolution went,
but the fact that it happened
in the first place is
unacceptable.
Chris is, very obviously, going
to tell you whatever you need
to hear to keep his job.
It's alright guys, the
criminals said the crime
actually wasn't so bad after
all!
Hell, it doesn't even matter
how I feel about it!
Still, if you were so concerned
with my personal opinion on the
matter,
to the point whether it would
directly dictate your decision
to keep Chris on staff or not,
I do not, for the life of me,
understand why you didn't reach
out to me,
directly or indirectly through
our friends.
Great job updating me on the
current status of Chris's
employment, even now by the way.
Good job. 10 out of 10.
Regardless, this isn't a joke,
and your insistence as such is
the underlying problem of this
whole situation.
How is it a fucking joke to say
you ejaculated on your boss's
clothing and say that to other
men multiple times?
It cannot and should not be belittled
as just drama.
Why would I have gone through
the trouble of corresponding
with DA Games or having a
safety report be written
if I just thought it was just a
joke?
I was and am worried about the
children Chris and the greater
DA Games community still have
access to.
Even if I had forgiven Chris
for some reason, it wouldn't be
relevant.
Even still, you seem to show
anger that I got Chris's
confession on record in
comparison, you know,
what he actually confessed to
with your comment stating,
Are you gonna record the call
without telling me the same way
you did Chris?
To be clear, he is not the
victim. Full stop.
Neither are you for that matter,
Mr. Truthseeker.
Publicly throwing the actual
recipient under the bus and siding
with the sexual harasser
just because he did not know he
was gonna be on record as a stager
concern,
on top of being incorrect about
your information,
is one of the most idiotic
parts of this whole ordeal.
I felt it was very obvious that
the intention was a recording
for the public record,
and a possible angle and
interpretation of him being
blindsided by a bad joke
turned public because I want to
be a bitch and cause problems
is just insulting and
respectful on so many levels.
Or how you put it, publicly
discussing half-truths against
sympathy and slander your name.
Spoiler alert, this isn't about
you.
Additionally, the fact that I
went out of my way to privately
talk to you directly
after several attempts to seek
resolution with the staff
and wanted to ask on the
Twitter thread
and still did not receive a
response until sending a second
email outlining my frustration
is just ridiculous.
I then even provided additional
proof of racism and Nazi
imagery that Chris and Will
displayed.
There are even incidents of lollicon
slash child pornography.
and sharing that material with
minors, allegedly accidentally
on the document I linked,
as well as Will dating a minor
in 2015.
If we only knew what SaberSpark
thought about lollicon.
Oh wait.
As his following grew, Cal
became very publicly outspoken
with his dislike of lollicon
and similar taboo art styles.
For those who are not familiar
with them, let's just say it's
a...
This additional document has
been publicly available for
over two years!
The DA Games community server
has had pedophiles that were
quietly kicked out if slash
when discovered instead of
publicly acknowledged.
One has a motherfucking mugshot
on the document!
Since this all seems to have
gotten ignored until now, on
top of the safety report of the
incident being publicly
available for over a year,
solidifies to me my original
assumption that you do only
care when you have consequences
for your lack of action.
God forbid someone is a creep
on my staff, just don't tell
the public he works for me!
Does it not seem like common
sense to fire someone who talks
this way about others?
Especially women, regardless of
when it happened?
In the interest of openness,
though, I am open to do an on-the-record,
three-way conversation between
you, **** and myself,
to get to the truth of the
matter at a later time, but
that will be at your discretion
as his boss and at his comfort
level.
As I want to honor ****'s
request and not be involved
anymore and not emotionally to
stress him.
But bluntly, I will not
tolerate the consistent
implications of untruthfulness
until this happens.
**** can reach out in the
future if he is interested and
comfortable about a possible
conversation.
Lastly, as I don't want to get
too personal, but it is
absolutely laughable that you
consider your romantic interest
in me
and our friendship ending as
mutually parting ways.
Like, what **** planet are you
on?
Is that how you summarize every
one of your failed courtships?
Let me refresh you on the
experience.
After months of spending time
together in person, and your
insistence that we were just
friends,
your goal seemingly was instead
to spend time with me and see
if I would change my mind and
be open to a romantic
relationship.
At that time, I felt like I
finally had found a like-minded
content creator and friend
close and distant to me.
I think I even said something
along the lines of,
These feel like dates. I'm just
making sure we're hanging out
as friends, right?
After you grew distance, I felt
manipulated and pressured to
say I was open to dating in
order to not lose that
friendship.
You then dated Gabe's sister
over me and then asked about my
dating availability immediately
after that ended.
I tried to play it off but was
uncomfortable with the whole
situation.
I felt like I was only
important to you if I was dateable,
and a backup option at that.
Would I have been treated the
same way as a new potential
friend if I was male
identifying?
This is the whole reason I went
to your staff in the first
place and not you directly.
I felt objectified by my direct
experiences towards you and did
not wish to repeat said
experiences for the sake of my
own mental health.
But you implied you needed the
clarification.
So there you go, buddy.
At this point, I feel exacerbated
with the favor I've given you
and others, personally and
professionally.
So I'll be ending the
conversation here.
To remind you, I am not a third
party in this situation trying
to get cheap or easy views off
a popular content creator.
This is how Chris treated me
behind my back.
This is how he never owned up
to those actions till I had to
find out about them myself.
This is how his behavior has
continued.
This is how the greater DA
Games community could be
potentially harmful to children.
This is on top of Chris' misogynistic,
anti-semitic behavior that I
stupidly forced myself to
tolerate when he worked for me.
And the fact that I have to sit
here and fight and scream and
kick for anyone to take this
seriously is so emotionally
draining, triggering, and
insulting.
This whole situation has been a
nightmare, but I'm not going to
sit here and let everyone else
pretend it's just a joke out of
public convenience.
And I would bet good money that
he's still on your payroll.
I'm at a loss for words.
Frankly, I do not have the
patience or emotional bandwidth
for your tone, your constant
visualization, or to discuss
this further with you at this
point, for your own perceived
direct benefit.
To be blunt, you triggered the
shit out of me, Steven.
And I still tried multiple
times to communicate with you,
but ultimately was met with
silence until now.
You were screaming on Twitter
like a child at me for months
after trying to get any kind of
internal word on Chris, and the
information being in the public
eye.
And you still haven't fucking
apologized for any of it.
How do you think this makes me
feel?
On top of that, only then to
even be taking it seriously
because I might make a video
and hurt other people's
reputation really shows me how
being affected by all this
really matters in the long run
to you.
Sexual harassment?
Use of Nazi imagery?
Pedophilia?
Fine to sweep it under the rug.
Just don't bring it up on
Twitter.
Ramesses, you bring this upon
yourself.
Part whatever.
Chris isn't the victim.
I can't believe I have to even
have this segment, but with the
implication of Steven's "what
are you gonna do, record me?"
comment on top of Chris's
statement talking about the
recording being without his
knowledge.
Let's just clear this up.
So firstly, as already stated,
I thought it was obvious that a
call-up was being recorded for
safety reasons because it's
about sexual harassment.
It's not like a fun call.
Like, I thought it was obvious.
Obviously it wasn't.
This isn't just someone calling
me a bitch or something.
Subliminally small.
Like, this is someone using the
fact that I am a girl as a way
to negatively sexualize me to
make themselves feel better?
Should I have to say that's not
okay?
Additionally, this is someone I
trusted enough to represent me
at a convention.
This isn't just some rando
being a dick because he's mad
at me for existing on the
internet.
I think that's why this sucks a
little bit more.
Figures.
Because bitches love bringing
up old stuff.
Something else to keep in mind
is the loss of reputation,
which is hard to recover from.
How do the receivers of the
story, knowing that it's false
or not, going to feel about the
person who the story is being
told about?
I didn't know this was
happening, and I can't defend
myself or my reputation if I'm
not there.
If Will was a collaborator I
was interested in working with
at the time, he would
definitely have negative
feelings about working with me
now.
What happens if the story
spreads or even becomes
distorted through a game of
telephone and changes depending
on the teller?
First impressions can last
months or even years, and will
psychologically affect personal
treatment and ideals.
Even the fact of contrary
evidence.
See?
The political landscape.
This is not something Chris
came to me about after it
happening.
We seemingly had a decent
rapport up to this point.
Chris could have admitted this
happened years ago, and I would
have still been pissed, but at
least he would have owned up to
it and maybe made a public
apology.
But instead, I had to hear it
from a witness.
It makes me feel like crap.
It makes me feel like my
personal comfort, safety, and
privacy is less important than
convenience or the bro code.
At the same point, I want to
analyze the implications of
mistreatment.
Like, if Chris really felt this
way, I don't know why it didn't
come up at that moment he was
making those jokes, or after,
or even when I confronted him.
It came up on an apology
statement as a vague reference.
This is actual sexualized art,
a sexualized story.
Buying me a Discord figure
years ago.
And he also made comments on my
body when I did the ice bucket
challenge.
So, three sex things plus a
potential romantic gesture.
Chris maybe have been bitter
because I didn't reciprocate
romantic feelings or something.
Turns out, editing for free isn't
a winning strategy for dating
KP.
And then, things got worse.
Hi, I'm Courtney.
You may know me as Pete, or Orchard,
but honestly, call me what you
like.
KP reached out to me a few
weeks ago, asking me to cover
the Gabe story in more detail,
as she was busy working on this
video here, and I unfortunately
have a fair share of experience
with recognizing online
grooming, and am pretty unashamed
in speaking out loudly against
it.
Gabriel C. Brown, also known as
Black Griffin Online, has had
growing speculations and
concerns regarding his
relationship with his now wife
and voice actress of Sweetie
Belle on My Little Pony.
From most accounts, it looks as
if Gabe had groomed his now
wife from the time she was 14
until she pursued him herself
at the age of 20.
After their announced
engagement and subsequent
marriage, Gabe faced growing
accusations online of grooming
his wife.
He dismissed the accusations,
under the guise that he had not
known her prior to her being 20,
and any interactions they did
have while she was a minor were
strictly professional and in
convention spaces only.
A Google document has since
been created compiling evidence
from Gabe and his wife's own
Twitter and YouTube accounts
proving these dismissals to be
false, as well as proving
multiple other instances of
Gabe showcasing problematic
behavior.
I've covered the topic in a
little more depth in an hour-long
video on my channel, which will
no doubt be linked in the
description below.
Anyway, I'm sprinkled
throughout this video a few
times, so I shall see you all
in my next segment.
I became a fan of Saber Spark
when I was in high school when
I found his essay titled Ballad
of the Brony in 2011.
After graduating and turning 18,
I added him on Skype to tell
him I was a big fan of his.
He added me back almost
instantly, and we had a
conversation ending with him
giving me his phone number,
which was a really big deal to
me at the time since this was
the first time interacting with
any sort of celebrity.
I had developed a parasocial
crush on him due to being starstruck,
which was something he was
aware of.
We would talk on Skype and text
each other semi-frequently
leading up to the first time
meeting him.
In 2012, I went to my first
pony convention.
This was my first time ever
traveling by myself and was
soon after the two of us became
friends.
When I met up with him in
person, he invited me to his
hotel room and he showed me the
video he was editing on his
laptop, causing me to
internally geek out.
I was really nervous being
alone in a hotel with someone I
was a huge fan of and had a
crush on, but I tried to play
it cool.
He was four to five years older
than me, making me feel more
nervous and out of place.
He would bring up the prospects
of the two of us dating and how
it didn't feel right for us to
do so.
After that, he almost
immediately initiated making
out with me and guided me to
his bed.
In this moment, he did not
directly ask me for consent.
I was thrown onto his bed and
he would insert himself into me.
Saber Spark was also
significantly larger than me,
as I was an 80-something pound
18-year-old girl, so I
physically could not stop him.
I felt extremely nervous and
uncomfortable because I had
never experienced having any
sort of sexual intimacy with
someone I was not dating before,
much less someone I just met.
I was very new to meeting
people online in general.
At that moment, I laid there
dissociating as I felt very
wrong while trying to rationalize
it in my head to convince
myself it was a safe and normal
encounter.
He rushed off to clean and
finish himself and came back to
the bed and offered me a handshake,
saying,
Friends, this would cause me,
for the rest of the event, to
feel that I was taken advantage
of and ashamed of myself for
not trying to stop the
interaction.
Though I tried pretending I was
fine to everyone around me, I
was and still am demisexual,
and being put in that position
was not something I wanted.
I maintained the friendship
until a second occurrence
happening at a completely
different PonyCon in 2013.
This time we met in a public
space, but had no one around
and talked for a while.
He kept bringing out the
prospects of us starting a
relationship, but how it felt
wrong.
He would grab my hand, saying
how it felt so right, only to
push my hand away, saying, but
so wrong.
I had decided that my crush on
him was something I needed to
get over because I felt that my
emotions were being toyed with.
He then suggested going to a
more public space around others,
and we went into the elevator
to go up to the lobby of the PonyCon
Hotel.
As soon as the door closed, Saber
Spark forcefully shoved me
against the wall and shoved his
tongue down my throat.
It scared me and actually hurt,
triggering another attack of
dissociation.
Once again, he did not ask for
consent when throwing me into
this situation.
Once the doors opened and
people were present, this led
me to feel very embarrassed.
He got off me and took my hand
and guided me towards the
stairs to go back down to where
we just were and into a men's
restroom where he pulled his
pants down and guided my hands
and head to perform oral sex on
him.
I was afraid of denying him
because of past experiences
with sexual assault, so I did
it to get it over with without
wanting to cause a problem.
Where he would ejaculate on my
face, apologize profusely, and
then offer the same handshake,
as he did at the con I
initially met him, saying,
Friends?
Despite pretending I was fine,
I had slowly begun pulling away
from Saber Spark.
I cried that night while
staying with a friend but
waited for that friend to fall
asleep so no one could hear me
and I would cry for months,
feeling ashamed of myself for
putting myself in a compromising
situation with someone I hardly
knew.
I had always felt taken
advantage of by him and tried
being friendly and pretending
nothing was wrong because it
was all I knew how to do.
I would blame myself for the
interactions for years, only
opening up to a few close
people, questioning if consent
was implied because of my crush.
An unwillingness and fear to
outright stop the advances
because of how uncomfortable I
felt.
I understand that there is a
possibility that he felt
consent was implied because he
knew I had a crush on him.
However, he did not once ask
for consent directly and was
instead thrown into these
sexual encounters, usually very
suddenly.
There were no discussions about
the power dynamic between us as
a popular content creator and a
fan at any time.
I was also a fan of the power
dynamic between us and my parasocial
connection to him and not
wanting someone I was a fan of
to hate me if I rejected him,
leaving me afraid to stop his
advances.
Over time I grew increasingly
distant and would eventually
end contact completely.
I don't feel safe enough to
fully come forward because I
don't want his fans and friends
or even him to harass or
contact me publicly.
I wish to stay anonymous so I
can avoid the anxiety and
stress of being targeted by
either him, his friends, and
especially his fans.
As Saber Spark has over 2
million subscribers and even
sharing my story at all has me
feeling really afraid.
I have seen other instances of
Saber Spark using his enormous
platform to confront people
online he has had conflict with.
I have also witnessed several
instances of his friends
attempting to justify him and
others actions.
I was not made aware of his
jokes about consent and his
recent behavior involving Chris
until only recently and had
left my stomach in knots.
I please ask above all else for
my privacy to be respected.
I don't wish to publicly defend
my personal experience and just
wish to share my experience.
So welcome to the video where
we break this down a little bit
more and talk about what is
consent because yeah it's an
important discussion here.
So because this is a really
serious conversation and I know
almost nothing about sexual
assault, I invited Courtney
again.
She's all over this video to
talk about like what is consent
and when's consent is there and
when it's not there.
We're having a great time here
at the worst video ever and
just kind of break it down so
we have a better understanding
and all you nerds out there don't
do something really really bad
like this.
Don't do it guys. Don't. Don't
do it.
Hi again Courtney. Welcome. You'll
be in the video everywhere at
this point.
Hello everybody. It is I. I
have returned once again. So
happy to be here.
So I've shown you the testimony
at this point. What what are
your general vibes on it
besides icky and sad and I don't
know this is just like super
triggering to me because yeah
so I thought I'd also bring you
in there bring you in here to
hold my hand during this but
yeah.
In terms of the testimony it's
just it's just kind of
heartbreaking really. It's just
it's always heartbreaking to me
when people question their own
sexual assault just because of
the lack of education around it.
And like something that I just
want to say to anybody out
there is a consensual sexual
encounter is never something
you're going to question
afterwards.
Okay. Like you just don't
question a consensual encounter.
Sure. You may have a consensual
encounter that's unsatisfying.
You may have one that you you
know regret that might you may
look back on one and go you
know if I can make that
decision again I probably
wouldn't.
But people don't question consensual
sexual experiences with did I
just get violated to be quite
honest.
And like the other thing that
kind of breaks my heart is
there's one point in her
testimony where where she
questions if if I'm remembering
this correctly that like maybe
she was at fault because she
had a crush on him like maybe
she gave the wrong signal or
something.
Maybe she implied something or
he thought consent was implied
because he knew there was a
crush on her like in all
honesty the consent is never
implied like even even secure
confident individuals in a
sexual encounter will check in
with their partner as things
escalate and change gears and
they'll say things like you
know are you okay should we
keep going is this good.
Like because consent is not
something that is implied. It's
never something that's implied.
It's it's not you know an
absence of a no is not a yes in
any regard an absence of
resistance is not compliance
and even in that regard
compliance is not an invitation.
because this girl had a crush
on saber it was okay that he
just kind of initiated
things and then especially too
in the elevator in a public
space when he's just much
larger than her
like physically i don't know it's
it's all icky but like what
what would you define consent
as and
when would you define like
obviously this isn't it for
sure but go ahead and in terms
of like a
definition of consent and what
it is and what it isn't um
consent is an excited yes
consent is
exuberant um what's the word i'm
looking for um payback for lack
of a better term i guess like
two people in a consensual
encounter engage in a give and
take like it's never just one
person doing
all of the action and the other
person just laying there like
like a bump on a log you know
it's an
action that two people engage
in when it's consensual um nine
times out of ten when it's one
person just
using another person's body for
sexual gratification that's not
a consensual encounter that is
just a
violation of somebody's person
and it's actually pretty common
for like sexual aggressors to
attack
somebody like in a in a innocuous
sort of sense like in the
elevator especially at like a
convention
or something like that in
public because it sort of um
dissuades the the the target or
the victim from
actually saying anything
because like half the time
people will think well this is
being done in public
surely somebody's gonna say
something so i don't have to
but the other part of them
doesn't want to
cause a scene and be
embarrassed because they're
already embarrassed by the fact
that they're being
attacked the fact that pda in
general is seen as like a sort
of cringy embarrassing thing
and like
they don't want to draw more
attention to themselves
especially while they're
dealing with the fact that
they're being attacked and part
of them just hopes that
somebody's going to do it
anyway like like step
in and say something anyway and
the problem with with the
public general public is they
sort of fall into
the someone else will deal with
it mentality whereas everybody
sort of assumes that somebody
else is going
to step in and say something so
they therefore then won't well
the other thing i wanted to
throw in there too
is um nothing that's illegal
but kind of the parasocial
relationship of like you know
it's always it seems
like it's a common thing where
like you know back in the day
rock stars would sleep with
their groupies kind of
thing but now it's kind of more
disgust that that's a power
dynamic that shouldn't really
be abused and
especially when you don't
really know someone in person
you know like um from the
testimony this is her
first time in person with saber
and he immediately jumps not
immediately but he pretty much
immediately jumps
on her so that also kind of
gave me a big ick any thoughts
on that and one other thing i
wanted to add in
is that you know confident
individuals in a sexual
encounter don't have to assume
that consent is there
because they will ask and to be
honest the only time you're not
asking or checking for consent
is because
you know yourself that the yes
is not there and you don't want
to hear the no so you will not
ask okay
because if you think consent is
complied and you think the
person that is you know on the
other end
of it is actively participating
if you know the answer is going
to be yes then what do you have
to
lose by just asking and being a
responsible individual when it
comes to sexual practice and
just asking
and the difference between like
rock stars sleeping with groupies
comes down to like literally
consent
like there's a big difference
between you know the chick who's
going to see the rock star
perform and
like flashing her titties while
he's performing and then going
and flashing her titties to the
bouncer to
get backstage and then flashing
her titties in the rock star's
face probably making out with
them a bit of her own
volition and one of them saying
hey let's go back and sleep in
the van like there are multiple
instances
where consent is very very
clearly given by the groupie
sleeping with a rock star and
like yeah there
may be a certain power dynamic
and like there absolutely is
multiple instances of rock
stars
abusing that to be like hey
well i'm famous show me your
titties but there's a big
difference between going
hey i'm famous show me your
titties and someone going i'm
showing you my titties because
i want to sleep
with you right like just just
the act of like basically
showing you my titties is in in
most circumstances
an invitation to touch my body
okay in no way is i'm a big fan
of yours an invitation to touch
somebody's body
and i also find it really
really weird that this dude
meets a fan gets the inkling
she has a crush on him
so he invites her back to his
hotel room okay like getting
invited back to the hotel room
has sexual connotations
and the fact that she didn't
realize that just shows how
naive she was and the fact that
none of that was
communicated because clearly he
knew what he was inviting her
back to the hotel room for but
she didn't
and that just gives me like
major the major ick to be quite
honest because like
it's really as if saber is
acting like he's gene simmons
inviting you back to you know
the the hotel room
when in reality he's a pudgy brony
youtuber showing you his his
animations before he shows you
his dick
like that's not the same thing
at all
like you think there is some
kind of weird parasocial
dynamic too that she felt
uncomfortable
you know advocating for herself
because like oh this is the
real saber spark tm like i don't
want to feel like
you know he might say something
on twitter you know blast me
publicly like is there pressure
just
generally speaking when
celebrities you know have those
kind of encounters with fans i
guess
of course she would have felt
uncomfortable advocating for
herself like
most most fans don't get to
meet their idol in person so
meeting your idol in person is
already a very
um like exalted sort of status
like that's something most fans
dream of but never actually get
to
so once you put a fan in the
situation where they're meeting
their idol in person something
they dream probably never
thought would happen but always
dreamed would happen
no fan is going to do something
that's going to jeopardize that
and that includes offending
their idol
and like it's it the idol knows
that and for like say like
anybody to sit there and be
like well
you know what if what if so and
so wasn't aware of the power
dynamic like they always know
you can always
tell you can always feel it you
can tell when somebody is fangirling
and to like for someone
who's going to sit there and
pray on that and be like well i
know you're not going to say no
to me
or at least give me a hard
boundary that could possibly
offend me so i'm going to
exploit that by asking
things of you that i know you
wouldn't say yes to in any
other situation and like to be
quite honest no fan
is going to do anything most
sorry most fans are not going
to do anything other than fall
into line
with that because again they're
getting to an exalted status of
getting to meet their idol in
person
you know they've been a fan of
this person they've done art
for this person they've dreamed
of meeting
this person they're not going
to jeopardize that by offending
that person by saying no
and not that those
relationships can't happen but
it's very tricky water as far
as you know establishing
and acknowledging the power
dynamic and discussing it
before like even anything were
to happen but i don't
know my whole mo has never
really been to go date your
fans because you know it like
your fans are not a
dating pool they're like they're
just you know they're there to
consume your content i don't
know
it just it this it's not it's
not technically illegal but it
just kind of it to me and in
terms of dating
your fans like i don't know i
just kind of miss the days
where it was considered just
not kosher to date
from your fan base like that
was considered poor form
because like your fans aren't
your peers and i just
i always question why like when
somebody can't pull from their
peers like why is it that you
can't
like land somebody and date
somebody who's like on an even
playing field with you why does
there have to
be a power imbalance and and
like that's always like the the
trend with these types like
they're if
you look at like they're most
of their relationships they're
oh there's always a power
imbalance and if
you have a track record of
having a power imbalance in
your relationships what is
wrong with you like why do
you need to have a one-up on
somebody in order to be in a
relationship with them like you
need therapy
yeah it's so fun here um i
think that's it courtney unless
you have anything else to add
like anything else you want to
add that that that you remember
from the testimony that you
want to
comment on if you question if
it's a violation it probably
was if you feel violated that
was not consent
your feelings matter your
feelings are valid consent is
never implied um real men who
get bitches ask for
consent i guess that's it uh
what a what a good way to to
end the video not end the video
and the
segment what a good way to end
the segment part five why make
this video unfortunately this
is insight
about how content creators can
respond to situations of sexual
harassment and more damning
incidents it's
important to talk about how
this stuff isn't okay and it's
not something to make jokes out
of i personally
shouldn't have to be sexualized
or belittled because someone
didn't get what they wanted and
in a
a professional setting the
story and the other incidents
are taken to an extreme i
should not
have to fight with people to
get justice for something like
this or for other victims and
especially on receiving
responses when there only might
be repercussions on the line it's
messed up and
i'm hoping this can be a
learning experience for anyone
who has ever made a nasty meme
or taken something
too far admitting it and apologizing
without being prompted can go a
long way and thinking about
possible consequences should be
as well krish didn't just make
up a bad story he did some
other unsavory stuff
combined with the lack of
action when a groomer is in the
da game space when there are
children in there
is unacceptable there is
nothing bad or off-brand about
kicking a pedophile out of your
community and
letting other adjacent
communities know it also seems
to me that many popular content
creators don't know
or frankly don't care about
keeping their communities safe
when it comes to problematic
behavior
there will be confrontation
involved so if you don't like
confrontation maybe think twice
about being a
content creator if you don't
want so much responsibility
then consider making public
spaces 18 plus
but even then there still might
be creeps so i made a quick
little guide kp's guide to
dealing with bad
people in your community number
one listen to someone if they
have a serious concern and make
sure they
have screenshots if possible
and if you're too busy get a
mod team to help you with this
number two if the
screenshots are damning enough
skip step three and remove them
from your space number three if
there
are no screenshots confront the
person with the issues stated
and get their side of the story
have
others weigh in on the decision
if it's a hard one number four
make a google doc with
problematic or unsafe
behavior so it can be shared
with other communities and this
person can't prey on another
fan group number
five look out for name changes
in general suspicious behavior
especially in fandom
communities all in
all these people seem to be
unsafe around children because
they don't seem to care about
holding anyone
accountable and saber probably
didn't think all this through
because he didn't think it was
going to be
public oops hashtag sorry not
sorry part six shitting on lily
orchard because it's fun
One.
So,
welcome to the Lily section for
the people who only care about
her and not any of the other
stuff.
Fun fact, Lily just rebranded
herself as CD Call because it's
totally about not escaping all
the pedophilia and abuse claims
and just making people happy
with her sunshiny content
because her content's always
just so positive and great and
Jesus fucking Christ, she's not
fucking fooling anyone.
Are you a rotten liar?
KP wanted to talk to Sketchy
about all these accusations
made against me and then show
screenshots that made it very
obvious that she's lying.
Sketchy says rather plainly, I
am not comfortable discussing
my friends when they're not
around, to which KP offers
adding a third party whose
relation to the case she has
yet to disclose.
But she is unfortunately
missing the point. Sketchy did
not want to have this
conversation while I wasn't
present, so the third party had
to be me.
Sketchy's stuff was generally
taken out of context. In the
screenshot I'm showing you,
Sketchy basically said he wasn't
open to the conversation, even
though I offered if a third
party was present and he still
said no. The third party was
implied to be Lily herself. So,
it didn't seem to me that he
was open to the conversation
regardless if Lily was there or
not. If he was open to the
conversation when Lily was
there, then he should have
clarified that with
communication. And I'm still
open to that conversation even
now. So, like, let's go, bro.
You move, Chief. The other
thing in the first screenshot
is that he just assumes I'm
projecting. Like, that's a
weird thing to say for someone
I don't really talk to that
often. I don't want to
speculate on private
conversations with Lily, but am
I wrong to say that's a little
sussy? It seems obvious to me
that Lily talked to him before
I confronted him, but I'm not
100% sure. I'm not going to sit
here and speculate that. Oh,
fun fact, Sketchy is also a not-safe-for-work
furry artist, which, fine, you
live your best life, Sketchy.
But, you know what? I don't
think furry is really into the
whole pedophilia scene. So, you
know what'd be great? If all
the furries spread the word and
said not to commission this guy
because he's friends with a pedophile.
Lily! You're an angry bomb!
What are we? You're an angry
bomb!
Let's talk about the recording
confrontation. So, generally
what happened during the
segment is Lily kind of
manipulated what I said and miscommunicated
some things. So, I'm here to
clarify because, you know, fuck
Lily. Who cares?
So, number one, Lily totally skips
the part of the confrontation
where she lies about Stockholm.
So, I was really fucking pissed
off at the fact that Fim Fiction
just basically just kind of let
anything go in regards to
content and just hosted a shitload
of child porn.
So, I wrote a book where
basically a bunch of pedophiles
just get shot in the head. And
then Bronies got really mad
about it and started lying
about its contents.
That's a weird thing to leave
out for someone who wants to
tell the truth.
Isn't that convenient?
Um, KP, people have made worse
accusations about you.
Yeah, because allegedly
treating your employees poorly
is totally worse than raping
your own little sister.
She needs to sort out her
priorities.
KP decides my denying of the
accusations carries less weight
than her making them because
she just decided that was the
case.
I never accused anyone of lying.
And Lily just was like, I don't
want you talking to Courtney.
So, as a favor to you, if I
reached out to Courtney and got
her to apologize for the trans-
the trans comments-
No, no, no. I do not want you
to reach out to Courtney at all.
Just seems like a weird thing
to say if you have nothing to
hide.
Pearl's reaction to me just
asking about it was so
defensive.
That's just a question. No need
to get so defensive.
And where have they said worse
things about me? I want you to
cite your sources.
Never mind that when you don't
have a significant social media
presence, you have nothing to
lose and everything to gain by
doing it.
Yeah, because I'm going to come
out of total obscurity to
accuse someone of rape for a
thousand subscribers on YouTube.
Makes sense.
Do you even hear yourself?
Never mind that this is
literally policy in some states.
The fuck? What even? You're not
even American, you stupid girl.
Girl, can you not? I want to
kiss your face with a hammer.
She then decided to offer to
mediate a call between me and
Courtney.
And are you fucking kidding me?
Oh boy.
Yeah, I sure would love it if
the Queen of the Lollipop Guild
organized a call between me and
my abuser like we're on an
episode of Fucking Smiling
Friends,
just because she's a gullible
shit with all the political
awareness of a drunk sparrow in
a rave.
The fuck? How is this political?
Why a sparrow? Is that like a
metaphor for something you meet
up in your head?
That is without a doubt the
dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Some people were surprised at
how abruptly I ended the call
when KP said she wasn't
comfortable with the
accusations made against me.
I just said, alright, bye, and
left and blocked her on
everything.
Simple reason for that.
I don't want to be friends with
anyone who believes any of this
garbage, and that's something I'm
entitled to do.
Yeah, sure. I never said you
can't do that. It's just a
little defensive and weird.
I didn't yell. I didn't scream.
I didn't call her any names. I
just said bye and left.
Girl, you called her a bunch of
names in this video and demeaned
her intelligence. Actually, bye.
Okay, I'm out. Can't do this
anymore. Need to go home.
I never said I believed in the
accusations, just that they
made me uncomfortable and
wanted to ask Lily about them.
Is that not communicating? Lily,
you always hemmed and hollered
about, oh, no one ever communicates
with me.
They never set boundaries, and
then they just leave when I
make them uncomfortable.
I just wish people would
communicate and tell me when
they're uncomfortable so we can
find solutions together.
You're such a hypocrite.
Because I'm communicating that
I'm uncomfortable, suddenly I'm
a gullible shit.
Gee, I wonder why your friends
don't feel like they can
communicate with you.
You can go back over the
podcast we did, talking about
personal trauma, where I bring
up most of the stuff,
and she's just kind of disinterested
in anything that isn't about
her. We just kind of accepted
that.
I mean, it's not that KP was a
shitty friend. It's just that
she was just kind of there,
and it was something that made
cutting the thread upon KP,
crossing my strictest
boundaries easier to do.
Let's talk about how I didn't
want to interrupt someone who's
talking about their trauma.
Oh, Michaela also had to push
me to communicate with Lily,
and Lily actively flirting with
me was a little uncomfy,
especially live.
Like, literally everyone, fuck
you. KP is an absolutely lovely
person.
Yay, I'm gonna slowly, I've
made this joke, like, privately,
but, like, I'm slowly gonna
require a lesbian army and take
over the world.
Just give it time. Anyway.
That is the, like, that is the,
that is the, that is the most
aggressive polycule ever.
Lily clearly never, ever wanted
to fuck me. Never, ever.
And I never, ever had a reason
to not want to open up to her.
And she seems to think that's
some kind of personal slight
against her.
That I never warmed up to her
in the way she wanted me to.
Then I learned about how she
raped her sister.
And about Stockholm and the dog
fucking.
And you fucking wonder where I'm,
like,
yeah, maybe Lily Orchard isn't,
like, the best person.
Well, I'll stay away from her
then.
This isn't even to call KP a
bad person for being an aloof,
self-centered weirdo
who's always disassociating.
Lily, you're being ableist.
Just because you also have PTSD
doesn't mean it's cool to say
that I'm odd in the head.
It's just that all that stuff
made me realize I wasn't really
going to miss her.
Oh no, the incestuous pedophile
rapist doesn't want me in her
polycule anymore?
Whatever shall I do?
Stop, don't come back.
In general, you should always
be extremely suspicious of any
accuser
who tries to convince you not
to listen to the accused
response.
But that's what you did, Lily.
That's what you did.
Oh, P.S.
On the Britney section, Lily
cropped out a lot of Britney's
talking points
to sound like she was talking
to herself.
So go check Britney's logs and
report back.
That's your homework.
Unless you're stupid enough to
relieve Lily on her word.
Which, you know, can't really
help you there.
And also she cut out all the
dog fucking pictures in the
patch section.
So, you know.
When we were...
So we started school at like 5
or 6.
Lily started at 5, I started at
6.
And we always got the bus up at
the top entrance of the trailer
park where there was the store.
Now the trailer park used to be
gated for whatever reason.
And the stone walls that held
the gates are still in place.
I'm pretty sure they might even
still be there to this day.
But they were when we were
growing up.
And, you know, people used to
just stick their chewed gum to
it to discard their gum.
And while we were waiting for
the bus up by that store,
Lily made a habit, starting at
like 7 years old,
of like peeling the gum off of
this wall and eating it.
Not like chewing it.
Just like swallowing it.
Just eating it.
It reminds me of that scene in
the Elf where he's just going
around New York City
and he's just like picking the
gum off the sidewalks.
Exactly.
And it was so funny because I'd
see her doing it.
And then, of course, being 6
years old and that being
disgusting,
I'd go rat her out to her
mother.
And her mother would come over
and start screaming at her to
drop the gum.
And like a dog with something
it's not supposed to eat,
Lily would just start shoving
it into her mouth faster.
Did she ever get sick?
Like from this?
Because this is like, like,
like, yeah.
Like who knows who's putting
the gum there?
I've been asked that before,
but surprisingly, I don't think
she ever did.
Like she wasn't sick a lot as a
kid.
Oh.
More than like the scarlet
fever and the chicken pox.
She really didn't actually get
sick that much.
Neither of us really did.
But no, she just like, and it
was such a problem that like,
we switched bus stops.
Because she wouldn't stop
eating the gum.
So what was the reason that
like, she was even just out of
like,
boredom or something?
Or like, she found the gum and
she's like,
Ooh, that's colorful.
I'm going to put it in my mouth.
That's what she said.
I mean, if she was really that
like, mentally incapacitated at
7,
maybe that was the mindset.
I really couldn't tell you what
brings one to see gum crammed
into a stone wall.
That makes you think, I should
put that in my mouth.
And then you go through the
effort of prying it off with
all the little stones that are
in it.
And you just go, yes, in my
mouth it goes.
I mean, like, you made a good
point that even when you were
younger, you kind of knew that
was a little off.
So it's not like she, you know,
is just being a dumb kid.
I mean, I guess to some extent,
but like, at the same time.
Because for Lily, like,
negative attention was still
attention.
And getting yelled at by our
parents was attention.
So whatever made that happen
was a good thing.
And like, someone might suggest,
someone might suggest in the
comments of this video,
they'll be like, maybe Lily had
pica.
No, she didn't, because she
didn't eat weird things.
Like, she didn't like, pick off
the drywall and eat it or eat
stones.
No, it was just already chewed
gum.
What is pica?
It's a, it's like a, I think it's
classified as a disorder, but
it's a phenomenon where people
will start eating things that
are not food items.
And typically it's because of
like a mineral deficiency or
something.
I think there's also links to
like psychological issues.
But a lot of the times it's
your body is seeking some sort
of vitamin or mineral.
And then you end up somehow
getting that from eating non-food
items.
Usually it like happens in
terms of like stone.
Like you'll find people eating
rocks and it turns out that
they have like a calcium or
something.
deficiency.
Like, so, so how long did this
go on for?
Like a year or two?
Ah, no, it was a good, like, it
was a good couple of weeks
because like our mom was on her
every time.
It got to the point where when
we would go walk to the bus
stop in the morning, she would
be like,
now Lily, don't eat the fucking
gum off the wall.
Like just sit there and lecture
her.
And then like, I don't know,
like a handicapped toddler, she
got off the leash and it would
go straight for the gum.
I like how there's already fan
art of her like looking like a
little golem eating the gum.
We need more fan art of this.
I mean, she kind of was like a
little goblin because like it
got to the point.
I mean, it happened enough
times that the other kids at
the bus stop would just kind of
like hang off like a little bit
of ways from the wall and just
sort of watch her do it.
So she literally would be like
crouched on top of this wall
just with an audience just prying
up this gum and then nom nom
nom nom nom.
Oh, that's nasty.
And it was never like the same
energy of when she chewed my
Barbie shoes because she always
had this habit of chewing up
the shoes of my Barbies.
Never their feet, but just the
shoes, which honestly I just
chalked up to.
Well, she's she's like ADHD and
autistic.
She chews on shit.
Of course she chewed on the
plastic shoes.
Pissed me off, but whatever.
But it was never the same
energy because like it was only
that wall.
Oh, like, yeah, it must have
been for attention.
Like, which is doesn't make it
not gross, but like, uh, don't
do that, guys.
Oh, like, yeah.
Thank you.