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due to the nature of the

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content discussed and the

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discussion of sexual predators

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on the internet. Trigger

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warnings for the following: pedophilia,

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lollicon and child pornography,

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suicide, grooming, antisemitism

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and nazi imagery, sexual

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harassment and sexual objectification,

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bestiality, enzophilia, and

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rape. Please do not harass

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anyone named in this video.

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Hello viewers welcome to

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another segment of "Maybe the

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internet was a big fucking

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mistake."

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Big mistake. Big. Huge.

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On a more serious note, this

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video covers sexual gratification

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as well as general sexual

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harassment and it's a very

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depressing story. If you're a

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kid who somehow got past the

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age restriction, please go away

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now. Just go.

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Now, I don't like covering

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these stories. We're an

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animation channel. We cover

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very important stuff like

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Disney and not Disney things

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sometimes.

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But I like to think of myself

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like the Jon Stewart of the

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YouTube animation community. I

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call things out when I feel

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like I can add something to the

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conversation.

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And it's important to talk

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about when YouTubers are misusing

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their platforms, so what's the

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no fun situation? Because I

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hate it here.

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I don't wanna be alive anymore.

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I've chosen not to keep this

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person anonymous because I

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believe this is not a mistake

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or a slip of the tongue. This

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is an active attempt of slander

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and misogyny and that's just

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not acceptable.

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Also, this incident wasn't

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freely admitted to me. I had to

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have someone else tell me that

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this was going on. In a

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professional setting.

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And he couldn't even tell me

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himself.

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Chris was a team member roughly

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from 2014 to 2015. I know. I'm

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old. Chris was generally a nice

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guy in my time knowing him, but

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he exhibited weird behavior.

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Like you just draw this for

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your boss, right? If memory

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serves, there's also a nude

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version.

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That's disgusting.

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He was also my first trip to

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Everfree Northwest, the one we

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did the blog about. He's this

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guy here. The story is as

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follows. I'm not gonna read it

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myself because it's gonna make

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me sick, so I'm just gonna have

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someone else read it.

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At some point over the last few

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years, Chris told his story,

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allegedly several times, that

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in the bathroom of the hotel

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where the group was staying, he

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was masturbating to KP's

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clothing.

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Chris states that this is a lie,

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as he was actually constipated

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during the trip, and there were

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no witnesses to his masturbation

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story in or near the hotel room.

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who the story was told to,

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besides the whistleblower who

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will remain anonymous.

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But it was likely Will Ryan,

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head of the YouTube channel DA

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Games, as Chris and Will are

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friends, as well as friends and/or

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employees of that YouTube

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channel.

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Chris also started working for

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DA Games shortly after leaving

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the I Love Composible Law

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Once KP was informed that this

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incident took place, she

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confronted him via text and an

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audio confession. The audio is

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linked in the description if

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you would like to listen to the

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whole thing yourself.

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Chris and Chris: All right.

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Well, first, I think it's the

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obvious thing is one, just want

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to profusely apologize for that

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terrible fucking thing I did.

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And that God was an absolute

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horrible person so many years

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ago, and you didn't deserve

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that. So...

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Chris and Chris: Right. So I

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have a couple of things. So my

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source says, you told this

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story in front of Will and Sean

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and a couple other people. Is

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that correct?

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Chris and Chris: That would

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probably be correct, yeah.

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Chris and Chris: So Will has

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heard this story probably in

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passing a couple of times,

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correct?

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Chris and Chris: Yeah, probably

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once.

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Chris: Okay. Same with Sean?

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Chris and Chris: Yeah, Sean.

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Chris: Okay. Did you talk to

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Sean?

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privately about anything else

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that happened

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when you were working on the

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team that I don't know about?

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Nothing I say is meant to

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excuse what I did

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because it's inexcusable what I

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story was

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just for context or do you want

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to explain it?

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I mean, I guess it makes more

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sense if I do

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because I don't think it's fair

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for you to have to reiterate

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that horrible thing.

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Sure, go ahead.

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I pleasured myself in the hotel

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bathroom we were sharing

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during one of our breaks when

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everyone was gone and whatever.

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and that I fell off the john

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after

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basically getting lightheaded

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from what would be

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ejaculation falling on the

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where your dirty clothes also

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and that my face planted on

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your underwear.

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Part of my PD version, I have a

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six-year-old in the other room,

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but thanks for being honest.

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Chris in his audio testimony

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YouTuber Saberspark, wasn't

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told this story.

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Chris is being when he says

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that.

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Chris also tries to steer the

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conversation to not include too

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much explicitly,

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stating that, quote, "there is

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a baby in the other room,"

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unquote.

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ploy to lessen the harshness of

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the anger present.

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was lying about the whole

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incident, it's difficult to

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take his word on anything due

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to this lie and the actions he

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took regarding it.

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So once I was informed of this

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information and got Chris

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admitting to it, I sent that

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proof to Saberspark through

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mutual friends and to DA Games.

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After reaching out twice and

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waiting months for any private

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messages, I eventually received

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someone at DA Games in their

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totally real HR department that

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totally exists. Even though I

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couldn't find any proof of it

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online. That's totally not run

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by Will's roommate, who's

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financially dependent on him.

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Chris knew he was being

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recorded because it was a call.

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Chris and Chris was a call

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about safety. It only gets

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worse from here. I'm gonna need

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every last drop of this. Let's

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bring a political comparison.

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For those who forgot or are not

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American, good for you. The

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2016 leak of the Hollywood

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access tape was a big deal. In

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a bus, we have an orange man

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who shall not be named and

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Billy Bush, a member of the

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Bush family. He's a cousin of

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President George W. Bush, or as

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my Gen Z audience would know,

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the shoe guy. Who thrilled

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a shoe honestly orange man was

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talking about women in an

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inappropriate way google it if

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this whole script is giving me

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a headache you know i'm

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automatically attracted to

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beautiful i just

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start kissing them it's like a

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magnet now even though this was

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in 2005 and leaked in 2016 and

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even though billy bush was now

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working for the today show and

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not hollywood access where the

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was obtained bush was still

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fired on moral grounds not

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contract obligations it seems

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like keeping him

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on staff would be a bad look

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for the today show despite this

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happening over 10 years ago

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imagine

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that so i find this before his

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contract excuse to be weak at

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best the ironic thing is bush

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going along with what was said

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chris actually did more than

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bush did and suffered less

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consequences

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as well if chris told the story

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multiple times i would assume

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one of those times was after

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contract was signed but don't

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worry chris can still run for

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president

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just listen to how bush

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described it affecting his

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family what was it like for you

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to go back home

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after the tape had been

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released to face your daughters

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your wife what was that moment

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like for you

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uh total chaos the paparazzi

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were never interested in me

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before and now

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they're outside the gate and

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ready to go and but once we

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settled um and got to connect

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there was a powerful

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moment my now 16 year old

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daughter called me and she was

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in tears and she was really

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upset and i i said

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mary it's it's gonna be okay

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you know don't worry and she

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said no why were you laughing

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at the things that he was

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saying

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on that bus why were you

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playing along with that it wasn't

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funny i said mary i am sorry

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and there is no

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good answer for that if you

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take another extreme example do

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you guys remember the michael vick

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controversy for those who don't

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know american football player

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michael vick was caught running

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a dog fighting

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ring you know where they take

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poor little puppies and make

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them fight to the death for

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gambling purposes

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why would you do that i'm

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pretty sure there's no clause

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in his football contract that

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says don't do

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that but he was also fired on

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moral grounds imagine

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consequences for your actions

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at the very least

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let's assume the absolute best

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of the situation chris was

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being truthful sabre and a will

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wasn't there to

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hear these conversations this

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happened before he was hired

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somehow i'm glad a whistleblower

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came forward but

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even so if this is how someone

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is talking about women shouldn't

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you tell their future bosses

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does an

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employee talking about women in

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this unethical way make the

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company look bad i mean this

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isn't just a

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slip of the tongue this is a

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purposeful attempt to objectify

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a woman due to bitterness and

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self-esteem

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issues and should be taken

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seriously in any workplace even

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a virtual one like youtube and

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the fact that

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da games and others value chris's

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safety and privacy more than

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holding him accountable makes

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me worry

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because this is harassment and

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i don't have to take it new

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developments i posted part of

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the email

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exchange on twitter again and

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that blew up i guess da games

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released a statement due to

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public pressure

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if not then they would have

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released their statement a year

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ago when this email exchange

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took place chris is

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going away on work training um

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can i have proof of that please

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because you've already been

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pretty

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untruthful to me i think you

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guys are just trying to wait

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until this all dies down and

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everyone forgets

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and then chris will just

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magically appear chris's

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statement also came out which

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is really respectful i'll

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call me an employer oh by the

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way i was being sarcastic and

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then trying to make himself the

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victim

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chris if you felt mistreated

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this is the first i'm ever

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hearing about it so politely

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talk to me directly

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or shut the fuck up you need to

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shut the fuck up i know we have

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this dude bro culture around

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youtube

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entrepreneurs who have never

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been to business school before

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and don't know about good

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company ethics

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as far as chris i would hope he

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gets an official investigation

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into his character from both

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parties

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and as a lead with the billy

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bush example possibly terminated

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i don't know if chris has

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personally

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changed or what his character

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is now or if there are any

404
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other victims out there but do

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you really

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want this kind of guy to be

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representing your company to

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work in the media industry is a

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privilege

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why protect sexual harassers

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even if it's just a dumb

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internet job and i know this

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all sucks hearing

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this is probably gonna suck

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working on this video has

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sucked real bad i've cried a

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lot but it seems like

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that miners are in threat of

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being preyed on will himself

420
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has done some suspicious

421
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behavior and it

422
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seems like nothing's going to

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change unless it's talked about

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in a bigger way i'm as mad as

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hell and

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i'm not gonna take this anymore

427
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so that's why we're here part

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zero disproving kp rep for some

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reason

430
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people think i'm unqualified to

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do this or have false

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information about things that

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have happened in the past

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they're using to make a

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judgment on this case and that's

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concerning so let's go ahead

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and just prove

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some kp is bad stuff for

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example when this was trending

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on reddit i got comments like

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this and if

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that's still not enough for you

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listen to this and another

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aspect that i didn't really

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take into account

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until rather recently is that

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on top of all the work that the

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team members are having to do

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there's something to be

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said for all the work that goes

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into managing those team

452
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members i can't imagine it must

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be an easy job

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because you have to make sure

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that everyone is on the same

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page with everything all the

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time everyone's

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keeping up to date with

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progress and is generally

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handing things in on time all

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while trying to keep

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them happy and make them feel

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like they're in a positive

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working environment and at that

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point i

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said look i'm sorry i couldn't

467
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finish it but i need to get

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back to my other work and kp

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she let me go

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she didn't force me to stay she

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didn't say oh you have to keep

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working for me she said okay

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you can go

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maybe i'll contact you again

475
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later when you're not busy

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started a channel to spread her

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opinions and built a

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team around her i've seen her

479
00:13:12,390 --> 00:13:14,320
make mistakes take them to

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heart and return improved she

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is a leader

482
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so she must lead in the way she

483
00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:21,600
knows but she is always ready

484
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to listen to help and when she

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is unsure

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seek advice herself in the wake

487
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of all of this i had the

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privilege of meeting some of

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team kp to which

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my initial reaction was she

491
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still has a staff and it's true

492
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bunch of real sweethearts who

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in defiance of

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twitter reason common sense and

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probable human resource statutes

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actually still love i love kimpossible

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a lot

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a lot and take my word for it

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they were just as nonplussed

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about all this leaks business

501
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as anyone

502
00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:53,210
actually no don't take my word

503
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for it why don't go check out

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their page and get it from the

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various

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horses mouths yourself darling

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people a non-kp leak situation

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is as follows i do not regret

509
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making it

510
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because at the time i truly

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believed i was doing something

512
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for the better good michael

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this is illegal

514
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would you really think no one

515
00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,210
would check why do you work for

516
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itunes i guess never

517
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underestimate the power

518
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of too long didn't read can i

519
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get paid now rachel for those

520
00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:27,350
playing at home the tldr is

521
00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:30,140
that this is utter

522
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nonsense especially this bit

523
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,810
but kp what about this she was

524
00:14:35,810 --> 00:14:38,690
exposed as a manipulator and a

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00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:39,820
user uh

526
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somehow she managed to get an

527
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entire team of people to get to

528
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work on her projects only they

529
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didn't get any

530
00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:51,610
compensation for it god forbid

531
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people have hobbies i guess

532
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every reanimated is just an

533
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anti-capitalism

534
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abomination discussed at length

535
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here i remember watching the

536
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video that she posted on

537
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youtube a couple

538
00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,880
of years back it was a long

539
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drawn-up video about how she

540
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was almost cancelled from the

541
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community and how

542
00:15:10,380 --> 00:15:12,930
she was a victim of stalking

543
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and her struggles with ptsd

544
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which she brings up like every

545
00:15:18,340 --> 00:15:19,820
time she gets the

546
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opportunity like what shaming

547
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trauma victims probably wasn't

548
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your best move my guy just

549
00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:26,860
saying she probably

550
00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,730
felt that because the fandom

551
00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:30,350
had died down a bit nobody

552
00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:31,820
would go on the attack

553
00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:34,870
she also had like a twitter

554
00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:36,880
meltdown when she had to pay

555
00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,070
like for her own way into brony

556
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con

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i think i can't remember which

558
00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:44,420
convention because i didn't

559
00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:46,060
bother fact checking

560
00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:48,810
whereas other members of the brony

561
00:15:48,810 --> 00:15:51,560
lysis committee like silver quail

562
00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,780
got in for free

563
00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:54,980
really goes to show how much of

564
00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:57,590
a tight-knit group they all are

565
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:59,340
when it comes to preaching

566
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about love and tolerance like

567
00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:04,530
peace that's not what happened

568
00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:08,300
i was frustrated that brony con

569
00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:08,540
changed

570
00:16:08,540 --> 00:16:10,070
their minds about my guest spot

571
00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:11,680
based on false information and

572
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,100
they were informed it was false

573
00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,660
information from another

574
00:16:14,660 --> 00:16:16,300
convention head it's very

575
00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,410
victim blamey more details here

576
00:16:18,410 --> 00:16:19,820
which probably explains why

577
00:16:19,820 --> 00:16:22,290
why people don't see her much

578
00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:25,070
after that with other committee

579
00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:27,290
members all in all kp just

580
00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:28,780
strikes me as

581
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just another individual who

582
00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,060
constantly acts like a spoiled

583
00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:35,090
child who acts out when they

584
00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:35,980
can't get what

585
00:16:35,980 --> 00:16:37,610
they want this guy obviously

586
00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:39,220
doesn't know me because it's

587
00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:40,920
not really my character these

588
00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,540
types of individuals

589
00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:44,760
believe that everything should

590
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,580
be like handed to them with

591
00:16:46,580 --> 00:16:48,540
little or no effort simply

592
00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:49,340
because they're

593
00:16:49,340 --> 00:16:51,250
recognized in a group or

594
00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:53,740
community i know it sounds like

595
00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:56,030
i'm saying like hashtag burn

596
00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:57,420
the witch but my

597
00:16:57,420 --> 00:16:59,370
actual point is she's just

598
00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:01,610
another example of what happens

599
00:17:01,610 --> 00:17:03,500
when you let internet or in

600
00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,020
this case horse fame

601
00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:06,940
go to your head why would we

602
00:17:06,940 --> 00:17:08,850
work so hard on dumb little

603
00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:10,950
horse videos if they weren't

604
00:17:10,950 --> 00:17:12,220
fun because art and

605
00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:14,240
media are definitely only made

606
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,340
for attention more details here

607
00:17:16,340 --> 00:17:19,560
make me your horse god this is

608
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,660
a confrontation

609
00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:24,940
between someone who was

610
00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:26,640
supposed to be helping the team

611
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,300
but was actively leaking assets

612
00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:29,180
to the team and

613
00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:30,840
lying about it and then they

614
00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,590
were caught you can guess how

615
00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:34,380
this confrontation goes but

616
00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:35,740
ladies and gentlemen

617
00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:37,740
the day is aim-minded for more

618
00:17:37,740 --> 00:17:39,580
context zane the head of the

619
00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:41,340
team at the time is a pretty

620
00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:42,940
soft-spoken guy so

621
00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:44,510
this is the maddest i've ever

622
00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:52,130
seen him can do you mind if we

623
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:54,420
take from here me and yeah

624
00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:55,020
because quite

625
00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:57,550
frankly what the messages were

626
00:17:57,550 --> 00:17:59,970
were betrayal to the team that

627
00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:03,010
you claim to represent i would

628
00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:03,820
say less

629
00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:05,540
so a betrayal to rachel still

630
00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:07,240
still a betrayal though but

631
00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,310
quite frankly i'm insulted by

632
00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:12,140
what you chose to do

633
00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:15,260
i you you you sat there you

634
00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:17,930
claimed to be representing the

635
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,490
team you claimed to be wanting

636
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,900
to improve the team

637
00:18:23,020 --> 00:18:25,520
and you sat there and you lied

638
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,240
to our face okay now i'm lost

639
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,910
for words and the fact that i

640
00:18:31,910 --> 00:18:33,100
gave what the

641
00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,210
the fuck made you think that

642
00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:37,660
that was okay like how did you

643
00:18:37,660 --> 00:18:41,310
think you were helping how what

644
00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:41,900
the

645
00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:43,480
fuck have you got to say to

646
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,270
yourself and then even now i

647
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:46,900
gave you the chance to come

648
00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:47,900
clean and say is

649
00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:50,300
there anything you want to say

650
00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,730
and you didn't say anything and

651
00:18:52,730 --> 00:18:54,930
you're you were denying it

652
00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:56,300
until i said

653
00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,480
i have access i see everything

654
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,400
initially you can see that

655
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,860
maybe your intentions were good

656
00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:04,670
but there's absolutely no

657
00:19:04,670 --> 00:19:06,590
denying the fact that by the

658
00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:08,550
end of that not even by the end

659
00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:08,940
of it

660
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:10,570
halfway through at the very

661
00:19:10,570 --> 00:19:12,400
least there was no denying that

662
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,230
that's my problem you claimed

663
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:14,540
that

664
00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:16,760
you were doing this for us and

665
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,910
yet you sat there and lied to

666
00:19:18,910 --> 00:19:20,780
us you lied to me you lied to

667
00:19:20,780 --> 00:19:21,500
every single

668
00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:23,530
person in that group we sat

669
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:24,990
there and we said can we trust

670
00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:26,890
everyone in this group and you

671
00:19:26,890 --> 00:19:27,340
sat there

672
00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:30,060
and said yes you betrayed the

673
00:19:30,060 --> 00:19:32,480
team okay you betrayed me

674
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,060
personally i'm taking that

675
00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:37,260
personally you sat there

676
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:39,330
and you told them zane is about

677
00:19:39,330 --> 00:19:41,470
to upload that video and what

678
00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:43,210
did you hope to achieve it

679
00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:44,060
happened that i

680
00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:45,670
was preparing that video and

681
00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:46,880
that's when i told you by the

682
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,550
way we're putting it back up we

683
00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:48,940
made that

684
00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:51,290
decision weeks ago we made that

685
00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:53,440
decision when we posted it in

686
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,900
the radio play chat when people

687
00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:57,580
were set explained that we're

688
00:19:57,580 --> 00:19:59,190
not happy we said yes we have a

689
00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:00,870
video ready we'll upload it in

690
00:20:00,870 --> 00:20:01,660
a few weeks

691
00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:05,040
that's why that video was going

692
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,940
up did you ask me no did you

693
00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:10,940
think that maybe maybe a bit

694
00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:12,460
more something

695
00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:15,030
better could come out of this

696
00:20:15,030 --> 00:20:17,650
if you talk to us okay nothing

697
00:20:17,650 --> 00:20:20,020
good came out of that group

698
00:20:20,020 --> 00:20:21,340
nothing group

699
00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:23,960
sorry that twitter nothing you

700
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,330
know what good came out of this

701
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:28,760
the skype group the group of

702
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,740
people that

703
00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:31,900
sat down like grown men and

704
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:33,900
wrote down their complaints

705
00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:37,690
nothing good from that skype

706
00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:39,080
chat do you want to know what

707
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,600
everybody else on the team the

708
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,100
only two

709
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:42,980
people that have said anything

710
00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:44,390
bad to those to the end on

711
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:46,090
twitter are the two people in

712
00:20:46,090 --> 00:20:47,100
that group not

713
00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:48,780
on the current team do you know

714
00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:50,540
what everybody else has said to

715
00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:51,980
that twitter they said

716
00:20:52,620 --> 00:20:54,730
off because you're not helping

717
00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:57,320
you are literally here to be

718
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,900
malicious you're here to tease

719
00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,250
rachel you are here to nag at

720
00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:05,810
her there is no defending it

721
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:08,490
that twitter is universally

722
00:21:08,490 --> 00:21:09,500
accepted

723
00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:11,780
not to have been a good thing

724
00:21:11,780 --> 00:21:13,710
the entire team while you were

725
00:21:13,710 --> 00:21:16,090
in that group was saying that

726
00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:17,100
these guys are

727
00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,580
dicks nobody on the team

728
00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:22,860
supported them and yet here you

729
00:21:22,860 --> 00:21:26,000
are claiming to represent the

730
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,580
team and supporting

731
00:21:27,580 --> 00:21:29,440
them and lying to the rest of

732
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,560
the team while you do it part

733
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,450
one the original incident with

734
00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:33,980
chris

735
00:21:34,540 --> 00:21:35,890
something i also wasn't aware

736
00:21:35,890 --> 00:21:37,190
of is that will made a

737
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:39,260
statement after his team member

738
00:21:39,260 --> 00:21:40,380
boggs you know the

739
00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:42,310
one who was harassing me was

740
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:44,630
fired it doesn't mention me or

741
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:46,360
that there was any victim or

742
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,020
even what

743
00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:48,950
he did was bad will even calls

744
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:50,980
him a great person so starting

745
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:52,940
off on a real high note there

746
00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:53,980
he is no

747
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:55,660
longer a member of da games uh

748
00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:57,340
he's still a very good friend

749
00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:59,030
of ours um like especially me

750
00:21:59,030 --> 00:21:59,900
like i will

751
00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:01,310
sometimes dm him will be on

752
00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:02,610
twitter the big tweeter

753
00:22:02,610 --> 00:22:04,120
sometimes but i'm not one for

754
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,180
grudges i don't do

755
00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:07,230
that um so don't think this was

756
00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:09,220
out of any bad massive pace um

757
00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:11,100
just a lot of back-end stuff

758
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,060
that kind of

759
00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:13,560
conflicted with our channel

760
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,110
there's a lot of things that uh

761
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:16,670
didn't meet our requirements

762
00:22:16,670 --> 00:22:16,940
the

763
00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:18,560
videos started getting worse

764
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,960
and worse but it was more or

765
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,560
less just i was pressuring him

766
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:21,900
a lot

767
00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,200
there's a lot of things he had

768
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,230
to do and there just wasn't

769
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:25,550
enough taking time as to accept

770
00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:25,900
for the

771
00:22:25,900 --> 00:22:27,050
situation that we were going

772
00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:28,090
through come to mention it

773
00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:29,220
there was a lot of like things

774
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:29,500
that

775
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,000
maybe would have detrimented us

776
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,150
in the long run if we would

777
00:22:32,150 --> 00:22:33,140
have kept this sort of

778
00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:34,540
conversation going

779
00:22:34,540 --> 00:22:35,860
and i don't want to bring in

780
00:22:35,860 --> 00:22:37,420
logistics because that's not a

781
00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:38,920
thing that should i don't want

782
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,180
you

783
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:41,110
hating the dude because he is a

784
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:42,960
fantastic being he just did a

785
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,870
lot of wrong things and we we're

786
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:45,180
all

787
00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:46,860
learning from the niche yeah so

788
00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:48,260
i don't think there was any

789
00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:50,060
mistreatment or i can't really

790
00:22:50,060 --> 00:22:51,570
explain why chris would be so

791
00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:53,200
frustrated enough to do this so

792
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,710
i brought my friend james who

793
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:55,260
was on the

794
00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:56,780
team at the same time as chris

795
00:22:56,780 --> 00:22:58,610
to give some testimony hi i'm james

796
00:22:58,610 --> 00:22:59,920
i used to work for kpi and i

797
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:00,460
was the

798
00:23:00,460 --> 00:23:02,340
head editor of our first team i

799
00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:03,520
worked for her for about two to

800
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,990
three years and i was asked to

801
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:05,420
give a

802
00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:07,230
statement on chris's work ethic

803
00:23:07,230 --> 00:23:09,000
on the team chris in particular

804
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,750
was an extremely good editor

805
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:10,940
usually

806
00:23:10,940 --> 00:23:12,330
doing stuff the rest of the

807
00:23:12,330 --> 00:23:13,700
team couldn't do but he was

808
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,400
inconsistent with time i'm

809
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:15,980
coming out about

810
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:17,300
chris because in his recent

811
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,210
statement chris claimed mistreatment

812
00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:20,430
by being on the team but as

813
00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:21,020
someone who

814
00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:22,460
was there it just seemed like

815
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:23,510
he had unhealthy and

816
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:25,070
alternative motivations and it

817
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:25,980
was clear that he

818
00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:27,580
would often say more than he

819
00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:29,180
could deliver do you think

820
00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:30,810
maybe he's compensating for

821
00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:31,660
something in

822
00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:33,710
particular though he often said

823
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:35,540
more unsavory things either

824
00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:37,350
just jokes to be funny or what

825
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:38,460
usually felt more

826
00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:40,020
personal this was never a

827
00:23:40,020 --> 00:23:41,890
paying gig so it seemed that he

828
00:23:41,890 --> 00:23:43,390
was upset that it wasn't

829
00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:45,020
helping his career

830
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:46,300
money or even romantic

831
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,050
situation it usually felt like

832
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:49,540
he would push himself to be

833
00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:50,620
really good and then

834
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:52,130
fell flat like he had ulterior

835
00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:53,590
motives and scoffed at other

836
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:55,110
editors for their work to make

837
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:55,900
himself look

838
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,560
better really honing in he was

839
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,630
oddly fixated on if kp liked or

840
00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:02,820
approved his work bragging

841
00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:04,300
which again was

842
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,280
inconsistent in my opinion he

843
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,090
also seemed to have a crush on

844
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:09,850
kp it seemed obvious to me if

845
00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:10,700
you know what

846
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,800
i mean sometimes he antagonized

847
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,750
another team member to get her

848
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:16,760
attention and also downplayed

849
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:17,340
it when

850
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:18,970
talking with others it was odd

851
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:20,770
that he would feel unappreciated

852
00:24:20,770 --> 00:24:22,240
when he was acting out of his

853
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,860
own will to

854
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:24,730
help though not fully joining

855
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:26,600
the team he still committed to

856
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,400
projects near when he left it

857
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:28,860
would

858
00:24:28,860 --> 00:24:30,570
be a lot of she doesn't pay us

859
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:32,390
because she's too greedy

860
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:34,040
specifically saying anti-jewish

861
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,020
semantics such

862
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:36,860
as fucking jew will pay us or

863
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:38,760
another she's cheap or she's

864
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,690
the only one benefiting from

865
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:41,580
this but the

866
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:43,500
reality is no one ever got paid

867
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,610
often in private conversations

868
00:24:45,610 --> 00:24:47,580
it would come up but he wouldn't

869
00:24:47,580 --> 00:24:48,060
be shy

870
00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:49,510
about bringing it up during

871
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:51,220
group conversations and this is

872
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:52,790
if he attended any meetings at

873
00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:53,100
all

874
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:54,710
we were a little intimidated by

875
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:56,240
his status to bring this up to

876
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,570
kp at the time though chris

877
00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:58,060
ultimately

878
00:24:58,060 --> 00:24:59,270
left the team with almost no

879
00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:00,520
word his work ethic dropped

880
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,910
dramatically over the months we

881
00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:02,380
were all

882
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,620
there overall his experience

883
00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:06,230
was wanted helpful but

884
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:09,240
inconsistent part 1.5 escalation

885
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,620
to being unsafe with

886
00:25:10,620 --> 00:25:12,170
minors if this video was just

887
00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:13,790
about chris making up a gross

888
00:25:13,790 --> 00:25:15,230
story about me a while ago i

889
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:15,740
can see the

890
00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:17,340
argument for why bring this up

891
00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:18,940
now but things end up extending

892
00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:20,190
to more actions that are

893
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:21,020
questionable

894
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,270
and make it seem like these

895
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,740
people can't really be trusted

896
00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:24,930
around children we have a

897
00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:25,740
testimony of a

898
00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:26,880
minor who chris made

899
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,590
uncomfortable by mentioning

900
00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:30,400
bestiality to here's that story

901
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,580
she's chosen to be

902
00:25:31,580 --> 00:25:32,920
left anonymous for obvious

903
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,330
reasons but more about that in

904
00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:36,270
the interview back in late 2018

905
00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:36,780
i was in a

906
00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:38,330
voice chat with chris will and

907
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:39,790
one other person who i cannot

908
00:25:39,790 --> 00:25:41,400
remember they were another fan

909
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,060
so it isn't

910
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:43,600
very relevant as to who they

911
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,330
were i was 14 at the time i do

912
00:25:45,330 --> 00:25:46,470
not remember how the

913
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:47,980
conversation got to this

914
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,470
point but at one point chris

915
00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:51,140
made a joke about me being into

916
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:52,850
bestiality specifically using

917
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:53,420
the term

918
00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:54,960
bestiality which i didn't

919
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,790
understand at the time i simply

920
00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:58,710
responded being confused about

921
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:59,420
the joke and

922
00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:01,150
chris seemed to find that funny

923
00:26:01,150 --> 00:26:02,550
my camera was on they were

924
00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:04,000
using a third party tool to

925
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,340
have cameras with voice

926
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:06,940
chats at the time and i had met

927
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,640
will sometime before to voice

928
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,460
chat in person they had to have

929
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:11,020
known i was

930
00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:12,770
underage this by itself was not

931
00:26:12,770 --> 00:26:14,330
that awful simply weird but

932
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:16,110
together with everything else

933
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:16,700
that has

934
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,180
happened and what these people

935
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:19,060
have done i think it's

936
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:20,300
important to share as it shows

937
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:20,940
a pattern of

938
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:22,620
people in and around da games

939
00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:24,570
creating an unsafe environment

940
00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:26,470
there is also an incident in wally

941
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:26,940
con or

942
00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:28,100
sexual images of cartoon

943
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,490
characters that are children

944
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:30,990
and accidentally exposing that

945
00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:31,500
material

946
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,230
to minors in chris's private

947
00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:35,420
server allegedly detest a bot lally

948
00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:37,200
con is already subjective in

949
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,580
nature in

950
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:38,810
the first place as people can

951
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:40,060
make the argument that these

952
00:26:40,060 --> 00:26:41,400
are fictional characters and

953
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,540
not real children

954
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:43,770
but i don't think anyone will

955
00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:45,060
argue that maybe we shouldn't

956
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:46,400
be letting children see sexual

957
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:46,860
imagery

958
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:47,920
the big problem with that

959
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,300
besides the incident happening

960
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:50,450
in the first place is that it

961
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:51,420
was never officially

962
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:53,750
addressed no apology no nothing

963
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:55,770
but instead the threads were

964
00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:57,810
deleted sounds kind of sus to

965
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:58,460
me oh

966
00:26:58,460 --> 00:27:00,550
it gets worse part two will ryan

967
00:27:00,550 --> 00:27:02,650
is a textbook pedo and probably

968
00:27:02,650 --> 00:27:04,780
very unstable person sorry yo

969
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:05,100
if that

970
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:07,240
all isn't a big deal then child

971
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,300
grooming is bad right well no

972
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,190
shit so enter player one in

973
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:12,060
this case the

974
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:13,550
youtube channel da games for

975
00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:15,170
those who aren't aware da games

976
00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:16,770
is a youtube channel that makes

977
00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:17,500
a variety of

978
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,330
content including let's plays

979
00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:21,160
their own animation and fandom

980
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,850
inspired music the four main

981
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:23,420
current

982
00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:25,310
members of the channel are chris

983
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:27,480
will ryan cosmic keyframe or chrissy

984
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,340
and sean webby will himself is

985
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:31,110
problematic for a bunch of

986
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:33,220
reasons not limited to dating a

987
00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:35,960
minor in 2015 when he was 23

988
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,180
and that's shady

989
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:38,840
at best here are the screen

990
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,590
caps these are great i guess

991
00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:42,400
you can be jerry seinfeld who

992
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,520
dated a 17 year old when he was

993
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,340
38.

994
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:47,740
so uh what are you gonna do

995
00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:50,360
later i got a date with nikki

996
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,330
oh yeah she's a beauty and she's

997
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:56,460
also 17. bold and beautiful

998
00:27:59,900 --> 00:27:59,580
i'll tell you the big advantage

999
00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:02,140
of dating a high schooler

1000
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:04,030
if you're going out with

1001
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,490
someone your own age you can't

1002
00:28:06,490 --> 00:28:07,900
take advantage of them

1003
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:11,870
i suppose oh come on that's a

1004
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:13,840
huge feature think about it she's

1005
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,480
so young she doesn't realize i'm

1006
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,140
a predator

1007
00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:22,850
jerry yes i've been doing a lot

1008
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:24,300
of thinking uh-huh

1009
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:26,410
well i don't think we should

1010
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:29,220
see each other anymore oh that's

1011
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:29,740
okay

1012
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:34,190
what no it's fine no problem i'll

1013
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:36,350
meet somebody else sure there

1014
00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:38,620
are plenty of high schools in

1015
00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:39,420
new york city

1016
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:41,510
it's fine anyway it's been

1017
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:43,920
really nice grooming you for a

1018
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,820
while i'm gonna go scope out a

1019
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:46,700
chuck e cheese

1020
00:28:48,140 --> 00:28:49,270
yeah you too she'll be coming

1021
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:51,860
round the mountain when she

1022
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:53,810
dating anyone 18 falls into a

1023
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:55,020
legally gray area

1024
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:56,460
depending on what state or

1025
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:57,830
country you're in but the

1026
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:59,510
general rule of thumb is anyone

1027
00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,700
18 should not be

1028
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:02,500
dating anyone who's younger

1029
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,740
than 18. that's the internet

1030
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:06,900
lie i looked it up part 2.5 is

1031
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:07,900
grooming but

1032
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:09,170
the most problematic of all of

1033
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:10,290
this is miners straight up

1034
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:11,580
being groomed in their public

1035
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:11,980
spaces

1036
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:13,380
who you'll hear from in a

1037
00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:15,270
second was 15 years old when

1038
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,260
someone around 19 years old

1039
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,700
started sending

1040
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,730
them self-harm pictures censored

1041
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:22,620
screenshots were on screen it's

1042
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:24,220
not a fun video i warned you

1043
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:25,340
was

1044
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:26,380
pressured to help this

1045
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:27,810
individual and manipulated to

1046
00:29:27,810 --> 00:29:29,050
break up with their current

1047
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:29,980
partner at the time

1048
00:29:29,980 --> 00:29:31,800
this escalated to nude photos

1049
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,580
and constant communication

1050
00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:35,280
until sage a suicide attempt

1051
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:35,820
and blame

1052
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:38,040
then came back in fake memory

1053
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,790
loss until was blocked

1054
00:29:39,790 --> 00:29:41,740
completely and how was it

1055
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:43,420
handled in the da games

1056
00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:45,050
server contacted will about the

1057
00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:46,490
situation who sympathized

1058
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:47,660
privately but didn't do

1059
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:48,220
anything

1060
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:49,700
publicly but like what's

1061
00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,490
accountability for exposing

1062
00:29:51,490 --> 00:29:53,190
miners to a predator and just

1063
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:54,540
left the space on his

1064
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:56,040
own eventually had to make his

1065
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,250
own twitter thread with

1066
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:58,510
screenshots to prove the

1067
00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:59,420
account was true

1068
00:29:59,420 --> 00:30:00,770
i mean come the fuck on the

1069
00:30:00,770 --> 00:30:02,310
least you could have done was

1070
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:03,590
ban a pedophile the bare

1071
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:04,780
minimum what's that

1072
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:06,200
let me be queer this isn't only

1073
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,540
will's fault it's everyone

1074
00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:08,680
involved in the company

1075
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,740
including the people

1076
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:11,200
i named before and i know rent

1077
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,550
is a thing but sacrificing

1078
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:13,830
putting children at risk

1079
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:15,020
because you don't want to

1080
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,520
publicly speak out about this

1081
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,910
behavior and threaten your

1082
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:19,590
livelihood and because you don't

1083
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:20,220
want to go to

1084
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:22,060
college is just shitty and

1085
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:23,990
selfish oh you are just the

1086
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:25,960
worst type of person next is

1087
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,500
and his friend pixel

1088
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:28,850
talking about problematic

1089
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:30,000
behavior in the da games

1090
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,510
community and the situation at

1091
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:32,940
large welcome to the no fun

1092
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:34,240
interview section i have two

1093
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,060
people with me who have

1094
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:35,960
previous personal or

1095
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,340
professional experiences with

1096
00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:38,800
da games in the past and they

1097
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,380
made a document about it a year

1098
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:41,820
ago but i brought them on to

1099
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:42,540
share their

1100
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,280
personal stories in audio form

1101
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,860
so it's a bit easier to digest

1102
00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:47,330
as well as to provide some

1103
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:48,300
context to these

1104
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:49,810
things and that these are real

1105
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:51,280
people i promise so why don't

1106
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,690
you guys introduce yourselves i'll

1107
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,020
go first

1108
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:59,780
i'm i was a fan since 2018

1109
00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:02,020
until i came became friends

1110
00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:04,210
with will one of the da games

1111
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:07,420
owners in i want to say

1112
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:10,940
2020 2021 i'm not sure um i was

1113
00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:12,630
commissioned by him in late

1114
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:15,280
2022 to make a concert outfit

1115
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,940
but that's really all i got

1116
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:19,930
um well that's all i have when

1117
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:22,070
it comes to my relation to him

1118
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:24,460
we were friends but not really

1119
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:25,870
so you had a professional

1120
00:31:25,870 --> 00:31:27,500
relationship with will yeah i

1121
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,400
was commissioned once but that's

1122
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:29,900
about it

1123
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:32,870
okay so pixel what's your

1124
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:34,900
background so i was a fan in

1125
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,320
2018 to 2023 and i was a fan

1126
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,820
artist in a server

1127
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:41,340
i did a lot of general fan art

1128
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:43,210
and general art interpretations

1129
00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:44,940
of his stuff and i never worked

1130
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:46,340
with him like professionally

1131
00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:47,510
but i was friends with him

1132
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:49,360
during 2023 and we dm'd pretty

1133
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,300
often for a couple

1134
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,050
months like we talked to vcs

1135
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:53,860
and stuff how did that start

1136
00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:55,650
did he notice your fan art and

1137
00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:56,700
start dming you

1138
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,230
or what it was kind of

1139
00:31:58,230 --> 00:32:00,570
interesting he was friends

1140
00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:02,460
first and other than a da game

1141
00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:03,820
server there was

1142
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:05,890
another friend server that he

1143
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:07,720
was in and at some point the

1144
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,680
topic of me came up when he was

1145
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,380
dm and he

1146
00:32:10,380 --> 00:32:11,760
noticed that i wasn't on his

1147
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,140
friends list and he was just

1148
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,810
kind of confused about that and

1149
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:15,420
so it was just

1150
00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:16,590
kind of he thought we were

1151
00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:17,870
friends already and so it was

1152
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:19,400
around early 2023 that i

1153
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,340
accepted his friend request

1154
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:22,960
and we started dming from there

1155
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,580
i think we officially started a

1156
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,380
conversation after an incident

1157
00:32:26,380 --> 00:32:26,620
with his

1158
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:28,500
friend inu she was like harassing

1159
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:30,100
me for like two hours and i had

1160
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,920
that conversation with will i

1161
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,140
was

1162
00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:33,580
like your friend is doing this

1163
00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:34,960
and this is what happened and

1164
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,390
here's a conversation that we

1165
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:36,700
had

1166
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:38,700
and after that we just started

1167
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,810
having normal conversations so

1168
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:42,700
i guess will does this where

1169
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:44,520
he'll just take people from the

1170
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,470
fan server and try to build a

1171
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:48,780
personal connection yeah um so

1172
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:49,900
so there's

1173
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:51,550
actually this second server

1174
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:52,940
that a lot of his friends

1175
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,730
including like lala and inu are

1176
00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:56,780
in um that

1177
00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:58,810
sometimes just some people get

1178
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,010
invited to i guess okay i guess

1179
00:33:01,010 --> 00:33:02,770
from what i'm getting at so far

1180
00:33:02,770 --> 00:33:03,340
is there

1181
00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:04,220
seems to be a lack of

1182
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:05,670
boundaries not that it's a bad

1183
00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:07,060
thing to make friends with fans

1184
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:08,060
or anything but i

1185
00:33:08,060 --> 00:33:09,170
feel like it's almost

1186
00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:10,720
competitive if you have like a

1187
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,270
server of people he likes that

1188
00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:14,220
are on the fan server yeah it's

1189
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:14,780
really weird

1190
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:17,120
weird yeah so what happened for

1191
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,270
me was i was friends with lala

1192
00:33:19,270 --> 00:33:21,520
before um before i was invited

1193
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,740
to that server so

1194
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:25,590
So because I had a mutual

1195
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:28,080
friend with Will, me and Lala,

1196
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,260
I was invited there. It's

1197
00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:32,460
officially Lala's server, but

1198
00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:34,190
it mostly gets used for Will's

1199
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:34,860
stuff.

1200
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:36,330
What exactly is in the server?

1201
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:37,700
Is it just like personal jokes

1202
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,840
or a similar layout to the

1203
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,260
other server, but just kind of

1204
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:40,900
private?

1205
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:43,910
It's supposed to be a friend

1206
00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:48,200
group server, but it's really

1207
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,160
centered around Will.

1208
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,720
Yeah, they had this rule where

1209
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,340
if you weren't active enough,

1210
00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:55,560
you'll get kicked.

1211
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,950
And if you couldn't go to VCs,

1212
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:58,150
you would have to explain

1213
00:33:58,150 --> 00:33:59,670
yourself like, oh, I couldn't

1214
00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:01,130
join VC today because of X, Y,

1215
00:34:01,130 --> 00:34:01,720
and Z.

1216
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,710
And generally from my

1217
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:04,190
experience, a lot of people had

1218
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:05,520
to cater to Will, like going

1219
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,840
back on joining the server in

1220
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,540
general.

1221
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,710
They used to let people in

1222
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:10,280
pretty generally, but then they

1223
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,020
just kind of restricted access.

1224
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:13,300
Like the only reason I got in

1225
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:14,760
there was because she actually

1226
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,900
invited me in there.

1227
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:17,840
A few times she actually gave

1228
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,110
out invites, but it's

1229
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:20,880
technically a friend server,

1230
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,720
but they have like not official

1231
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,620
events, but they do VC a lot.

1232
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:25,900
Sometimes for like days and

1233
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:27,350
they just generally expect you

1234
00:34:27,350 --> 00:34:28,360
to be active a lot.

1235
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:29,560
So it seems to me like the

1236
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,030
whole point of the server is

1237
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:32,400
for Will to talk to people and

1238
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,480
get validation.

1239
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:34,240
Is that it?

1240
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:35,920
Yeah, definitely.

1241
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,770
I remember this one time that

1242
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:39,310
me and a friend who was in

1243
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:41,350
there were watching, I think it

1244
00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:42,940
was Hellraiser 4.

1245
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,810
It was one of the worst Hellraiser

1246
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:45,520
movies.

1247
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,350
We were like cracking jokes and

1248
00:34:47,350 --> 00:34:47,960
stuff.

1249
00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:49,790
And like an hour in, Will

1250
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:52,040
joined and he got upset because

1251
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,260
we were talking over the movie

1252
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,400
when he didn't even choose to

1253
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,320
watch it.

1254
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,520
We did.

1255
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:00,300
Were there any minors in the

1256
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:00,800
server?

1257
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Yes.

1258
00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:02,680
Yeah, there were.

1259
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,520
I'm not going to say names, but

1260
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,250
I remember there being like

1261
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:07,620
several, at least.

1262
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,630
So I guess it's kind of

1263
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:09,950
questionable that he made a

1264
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:11,220
separate server to invite

1265
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:12,880
mostly fans of his main server,

1266
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,000
which I guess is the worst

1267
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,620
thing in the world, obviously.

1268
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:16,710
But it's things like the

1269
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:18,170
boundaries that are weird, the

1270
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:19,480
rules as far as VCing that are

1271
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,890
weird, and the fact that there

1272
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:22,100
are minors in there.

1273
00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:23,510
Were there inappropriate jokes

1274
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:24,540
and stuff like that?

1275
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:26,470
Yeah, there used to be an NSFW

1276
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:27,960
chat even, and like people

1277
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,630
would just share their kinks in

1278
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:30,760
there and stuff.

1279
00:35:30,860 --> 00:35:31,520
I remember this.

1280
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:33,880
It got deleted eventually, but

1281
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,060
it was weird.

1282
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,990
Like, the time I was in there,

1283
00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:38,840
and the chat still existed, I

1284
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,500
was a minor at the time.

1285
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:42,020
I think.

1286
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,130
I don't remember exactly, I'm

1287
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:45,240
sorry, but.

1288
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,000
Yeah, it was really sexual and

1289
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,880
racist and stuff.

1290
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Okay, not off to a good start.

1291
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:53,290
So that seems to be the running

1292
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:54,640
theme with DA games in general,

1293
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,430
that they're being

1294
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:56,780
inappropriate with minors.

1295
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,080
They make inappropriate or not

1296
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,530
safe for jokes in front of minors,

1297
00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:00,730
and no one seems to be willing

1298
00:36:00,730 --> 00:36:01,900
to do anything about it.

1299
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:02,800
Yeah, exactly.

1300
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:05,530
Like, sometimes they, like for

1301
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:07,370
forever now, I want to say,

1302
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:09,660
they refuse to even acknowledge

1303
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:11,810
that there are minors in their

1304
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:12,880
audience.

1305
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,770
Yeah, I remember that when the

1306
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:16,280
first version of Doc dropped,

1307
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,680
we were bringing up the point

1308
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,040
that he was trauma dumping to

1309
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,350
minors, and talking about

1310
00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:21,580
things that younger kids

1311
00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:23,010
shouldn't be hearing, and he

1312
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:24,440
relies a lot on his fanbase for

1313
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,940
personal support.

1314
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:27,440
There's an entire channel in

1315
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,010
that server dedicated to just

1316
00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:30,900
giving him specifically support,

1317
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:32,550
and the entire movement server

1318
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:33,790
is dedicated by how he's

1319
00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:35,060
feeling that day.

1320
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,660
And when we mentioned that in

1321
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:38,240
our document, like, hey, he's

1322
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,750
trauma dumping, he's talking

1323
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:41,410
about all these horrible things

1324
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:42,530
without a filter to these

1325
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:43,260
people.

1326
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,430
And people were giving the

1327
00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:45,840
excuse, well, they're older

1328
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,420
teens, they're like this age.

1329
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,180
When in reality, the age range

1330
00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:50,690
was like, was a lot broader

1331
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:52,480
than like 16, 17.

1332
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:53,980
They were 14 year olds, 13 year

1333
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:54,640
olds in there.

1334
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:56,480
The broader range is like from

1335
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,140
13 to early 20s in that server,

1336
00:36:58,140 --> 00:36:59,390
and it's unfair to assume that

1337
00:36:59,390 --> 00:37:00,630
just because it appears that

1338
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:02,060
people are older, that you

1339
00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:02,960
should trauma dumps to these

1340
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,640
people.

1341
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,150
They did have an NSFW channel

1342
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:06,880
in that main server, but I wasn't

1343
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,560
around when it was a thing.

1344
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:10,380
And what year was this about?

1345
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:12,600
I'm not entirely sure.

1346
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:13,830
I remember being there when

1347
00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:15,140
that channel got deleted.

1348
00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:16,740
I think.

1349
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,700
When did you guys join the

1350
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:18,160
server?

1351
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:20,270
Um, I joined the server in May

1352
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:23,300
2018, and it was around then.

1353
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:24,980
I joined in December.

1354
00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:26,610
I don't know how long it was

1355
00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:28,400
around, like the server has

1356
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,260
existed since 2016, but it may

1357
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:32,920
have been around since the

1358
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,600
beginning, I'm not sure.

1359
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,210
But it was around 2018, that's

1360
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:37,780
for sure.

1361
00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:39,520
And another thing I wanted to

1362
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,390
bring up is that the moderators

1363
00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:42,870
do not go through formal

1364
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:44,570
training, from what I could

1365
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:45,200
tell.

1366
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:46,750
I was there, and he just picked

1367
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:48,430
someone, and he was like, oh,

1368
00:37:48,430 --> 00:37:49,980
you should be a moderator now,

1369
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:51,440
you've been a friend for long

1370
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,120
enough.

1371
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,360
And like I said, he's hired

1372
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,800
minor moderators.

1373
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:57,680
The most recent one just turned

1374
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,860
18 last year.

1375
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:00,460
They graduated high school last

1376
00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:02,060
year, and they were a moderator

1377
00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:03,480
the entire time in the server

1378
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
from 2018 to 2023.

1379
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,340
And I'm 20 now, so they were

1380
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:08,900
younger than me that entire

1381
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:09,500
time.

1382
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:10,640
And as far as I'm aware, I

1383
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,080
heard they were recommended to

1384
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:12,700
someone.

1385
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:15,000
No, they got picked randomly.

1386
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:15,780
They got picked randomly.

1387
00:38:15,780 --> 00:38:16,840
I remember this.

1388
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,560
Yeah, it was weird.

1389
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,670
They just got picked for no

1390
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:20,180
reason.

1391
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:21,740
And they even told me several

1392
00:38:21,740 --> 00:38:23,220
times in DMs when they were a

1393
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:24,910
moderator, like, you should

1394
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:26,320
have been it, not me.

1395
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:29,280
Because, I don't know.

1396
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,620
They thought of them themselves

1397
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:33,400
as not being capable enough to

1398
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,250
be a moderator, but they still

1399
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:36,280
were anyway.

1400
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:37,330
Yeah, I can get the point of

1401
00:38:37,330 --> 00:38:38,380
having moderators being

1402
00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:39,410
subjective, but at the very

1403
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:40,940
least, they should not be minors.

1404
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:42,090
They should also know it's

1405
00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:43,510
actual work, and should be okay

1406
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:45,000
with whatever work they get.

1407
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,390
Usually mods are like, hey,

1408
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:48,010
minor, don't go on the 18 plus

1409
00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:48,460
chat.

1410
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:50,010
Or, have a question, we'll help

1411
00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:50,400
you.

1412
00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:51,300
Just just like that.

1413
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:51,700
Exactly.

1414
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,080
So was the minor activity in

1415
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,290
both servers the only thing

1416
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:55,650
that gave off red flags, or was

1417
00:38:55,650 --> 00:38:57,040
there any other behavior?

1418
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,940
Oh, there was way more.

1419
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,020
I remember in the DMs community,

1420
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:04,770
there was a lot of predators,

1421
00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:07,480
like, groomers and such.

1422
00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,220
And they got exposed, like,

1423
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:11,700
monthly sometimes.

1424
00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:12,990
Like, every other month there

1425
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:14,000
would be another one.

1426
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,120
And they would never get

1427
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,500
acknowledged by the team.

1428
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:18,600
And it was just horrible.

1429
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Like, um, this is going to get

1430
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,130
very personal real quick, but

1431
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:25,570
at some point I was groomed by

1432
00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:26,740
someone in there.

1433
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,770
And I exposed them, like, two

1434
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:30,640
years ago.

1435
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,870
Um, and I posted it in the

1436
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:33,800
server.

1437
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:35,860
Like, I made a Twitter thread.

1438
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,380
And I posted it in there.

1439
00:39:37,780 --> 00:39:39,410
Well, I had my, I asked my,

1440
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:41,600
like, my friend to post it.

1441
00:39:42,740 --> 00:39:43,350
Because I didn't want it to do

1442
00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:44,940
it myself, because I was a

1443
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:46,580
public figure at the time in

1444
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:48,020
the DMs community.

1445
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:50,980
Um, and it got deleted.

1446
00:39:50,980 --> 00:39:52,380
Like, instantly.

1447
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:54,480
Because it was just drama tarnishing

1448
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,300
the brand.

1449
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:55,720
And...

1450
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,300
So to summarize, it's not

1451
00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:59,100
abnormal for predators to be

1452
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:01,020
attracted to online spaces that

1453
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:03,000
maybe make fandom content.

1454
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,370
But it's kind of scary when the

1455
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:05,600
mod team is burying it.

1456
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:06,770
One of them literally got

1457
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:08,220
arrested for having CP in their

1458
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:09,000
possession.

1459
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:10,990
Um, yeah, there's this one guy

1460
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:12,830
that got arrested for, like, 34

1461
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:14,400
accounts of child f***ing.

1462
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,040
Like, three years ago.

1463
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:18,700
And they never got acknowledged

1464
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:19,740
by the DM either.

1465
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:21,400
And he was pretty prominent in

1466
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,220
the server.

1467
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,620
He would make animations and...

1468
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:25,000
He was really popular.

1469
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:26,380
And he was kicked once that

1470
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:27,930
came out, at the very least,

1471
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:28,500
right?

1472
00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:30,040
We don't know.

1473
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:31,100
We don't know.

1474
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:32,380
There's a prob...

1475
00:40:32,380 --> 00:40:33,540
There's a probability he

1476
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:34,340
probably was.

1477
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,870
But they do have a thing where,

1478
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:37,340
like, if you suspect someone

1479
00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:38,790
being weird, they will

1480
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:40,460
investigate and kick them.

1481
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:41,040
But...

1482
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,480
It's done very badly.

1483
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,080
It's done really badly.

1484
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:46,260
Like, from personal experience,

1485
00:40:46,260 --> 00:40:47,180
it's so bad.

1486
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:49,630
Like, I tried to come forward

1487
00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:51,400
about my rumor, like, way

1488
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,080
before I posted about it.

1489
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,560
And they were like, hey, do you

1490
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,440
have proof of this?

1491
00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:56,720
And I was like, no, I deleted

1492
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,100
those chats because I don't

1493
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,020
want to see that s***.

1494
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,880
And they were like, okay, but

1495
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,000
you can get him back.

1496
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:05,200
And I was like, okay, how could

1497
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,060
it f***ing help me?

1498
00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:07,120
Because I was panicking.

1499
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,810
And they were like, figure it

1500
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:10,940
out yourself.

1501
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:12,910
So, you're going to tell a

1502
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:14,750
child in a panic state to just

1503
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:16,250
figure it out themselves or

1504
00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:17,540
else we're not.

1505
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:18,610
Or otherwise we're not going to

1506
00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:19,200
do anything.

1507
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,120
It's really weird.

1508
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,700
Um, I don't know.

1509
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,860
I'm getting heated.

1510
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,380
I'm sorry.

1511
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,320
No, it's okay.

1512
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,430
It's just so f***ing dumb to me

1513
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:28,670
that they don't do the bare minors

1514
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:29,740
or just, like, don't have a

1515
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:31,140
server that's open to minors.

1516
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,060
It reminds me of last year when

1517
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:34,660
he was doing a set list for

1518
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:35,500
MomoCon.

1519
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:37,780
And he has these killer robots.

1520
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:38,810
And he was going to describe in

1521
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:39,960
detail how they kill people.

1522
00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:41,160
And I was asking, like, well,

1523
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,190
shouldn't you put a content

1524
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:43,040
warning on there?

1525
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,880
Since most people are, like,

1526
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,720
coming for the DA game stuff.

1527
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,780
And he laughed at me.

1528
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:49,690
He was like, no, why should I

1529
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:50,120
do that?

1530
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,480
I have a song called Mr. Dirty

1531
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,320
Balls playing.

1532
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,570
People should know that we're

1533
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:54,820
not for kids because that song

1534
00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:55,480
is playing.

1535
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:56,740
And learning the next day he

1536
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:57,970
had to add a content warning

1537
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:58,540
anyway.

1538
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,640
So I just kind of, like, threw

1539
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,100
up my hands.

1540
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,290
Like, okay, you had to add one

1541
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:01,740
anyway.

1542
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,940
So why were you throwing a fit

1543
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,480
about it?

1544
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:04,240
Yeah.

1545
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,920
He gets upset at, like, the

1546
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,460
smallest things ever.

1547
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,380
And it's so annoying.

1548
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,470
So it's really hard to, like,

1549
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:12,830
come forward about bigger stuff,

1550
00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:13,400
too.

1551
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:15,280
Were any of the other team

1552
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,410
members supportive when you

1553
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:17,060
came forward?

1554
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,260
Because my understanding is

1555
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:19,400
that when you go to Will for

1556
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,560
stuff, he kind of brushes it

1557
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:20,880
off.

1558
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:24,410
Well, he either brushes it off

1559
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:26,360
or he sends HR.

1560
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,690
The person that's currently HR

1561
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:32,890
usually will just go into your

1562
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:34,800
DMs and be like,

1563
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:37,260
Yo, don't bring negative stuff

1564
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:38,120
to Will.

1565
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:39,860
He cannot handle it right now.

1566
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,340
And he never handles it.

1567
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,020
So it's frustrating as hell.

1568
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:46,580
And they just made them HR this

1569
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:47,360
year.

1570
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Is the HR person a public

1571
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,280
figure?

1572
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:51,460
Not anymore.

1573
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,680
They did have a Twitter account.

1574
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:53,940
But one of the gripes I have is

1575
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:55,290
that as an HR person, they live

1576
00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:55,940
with him.

1577
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,470
They're friends with everyone

1578
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:58,100
in there.

1579
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,320
So when it comes to certain

1580
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,540
situations like yours,

1581
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:01,680
technically they should not be

1582
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,810
handling that because they are

1583
00:43:02,810 --> 00:43:03,860
not a mutual third party.

1584
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Does she have, like, a social

1585
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,240
presence?

1586
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,310
Like, is she known for being

1587
00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:08,140
friends with Will?

1588
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:09,340
Yes.

1589
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,660
To some degree.

1590
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,590
Like, if to some degree she is

1591
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:14,700
public, when, like, when you go

1592
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:16,650
into DMs livestream, she will

1593
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:18,440
be there as a moderator.

1594
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Things such as, like that.

1595
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,160
It seems like the running theme

1596
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,280
is Will can't handle whatever

1597
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,510
the conflict is because he can't

1598
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:26,140
address it.

1599
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:26,960
Yeah, pretty much.

1600
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:27,380
Okay.

1601
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:28,380
So let's talk about some

1602
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:29,640
troublesome behavior you saw

1603
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,240
from Will.

1604
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,220
I know he dated a minor in 2015

1605
00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:33,640
and there was a lot of N slurs

1606
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,560
and a lot of anti-Semitic slurs.

1607
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:37,680
Great stuff.

1608
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,860
Do you have any antidotes or

1609
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:40,200
things to share on top of that?

1610
00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:43,080
Just recently someone did some

1611
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,470
more digging when they found

1612
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:45,840
out on a livestream clip that

1613
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,450
was looking at some site called,

1614
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:49,830
like, youngp***** or youngpeoplep*****.com

1615
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:51,270
and they did some more digging

1616
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:52,900
on their waypack machine.

1617
00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:54,590
What drove you to make this

1618
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:55,460
document?

1619
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:56,960
Was it the predator thing?

1620
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Like, what was the straw that

1621
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,170
broke the camel's back and you

1622
00:43:59,170 --> 00:44:00,240
just were like, f**k it, we

1623
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,250
need to write all this stuff

1624
00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:01,740
down?

1625
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:05,590
I think it was just generally,

1626
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:08,230
we were frustrated about a lot

1627
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:09,220
of things.

1628
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,820
We talked to each other and

1629
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:12,710
then we found out about the NSFW

1630
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:13,380
stuff.

1631
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:15,230
And we decided, nope, this

1632
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:16,880
needs to get out there.

1633
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:19,140
That's pretty much how it went.

1634
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:20,440
We stumbled across it as well.

1635
00:44:20,580 --> 00:44:21,760
We were literally just messing

1636
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,080
around and that's when we found

1637
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,330
it and thought, well, this

1638
00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:25,400
doesn't look right.

1639
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:26,370
And we did some digging and we

1640
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:27,420
were like, this isn't right at

1641
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:27,760
all.

1642
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,920
So you went back through Will's

1643
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,770
history and saw the anti-semitism

1644
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:34,310
and, um, there's one point

1645
00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:36,230
where he justifies using the N-word

1646
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:37,480
as a white person.

1647
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:39,160
And I thought that was really

1648
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:39,600
sad.

1649
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:40,730
So what was the response when

1650
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:41,990
he released the first version

1651
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:42,760
of the document?

1652
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:44,450
Well, the first version came

1653
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:46,220
out, like, really weird.

1654
00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:48,100
Like, we tried to get, like,

1655
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:48,940
fans to see it.

1656
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,130
So we made a fan account and

1657
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:51,610
then, like, turned it into the

1658
00:44:51,610 --> 00:44:52,580
release account.

1659
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,320
It was stupid.

1660
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,860
Um, that one went really bad.

1661
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,020
And, like, you can say more

1662
00:44:59,020 --> 00:44:59,980
about that.

1663
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,620
Like, it affected you mostly.

1664
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,060
Yeah, it just went really badly.

1665
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,790
We were still fans at that

1666
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:06,500
point.

1667
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:07,990
And we were just, like, really

1668
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:08,820
heartbroken.

1669
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,500
So the doc was very emotionally

1670
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:11,200
charged.

1671
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:12,990
And it had, and it just had

1672
00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:14,510
stuff in it, in there that didn't

1673
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:16,220
really need to be in there.

1674
00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:18,080
And then also after he came out

1675
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,710
trending on Twitter, like, two

1676
00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:21,110
mods, one of them was this HR

1677
00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:22,700
person, came to me and they put

1678
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,080
me in, like, a group chat and

1679
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,490
they told me, you have to fix

1680
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:26,160
this.

1681
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:27,120
And I'm like, I'm in a college

1682
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:27,480
class.

1683
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,680
I can't fix this right now.

1684
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:30,080
But I still had to do this

1685
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:30,720
anyway.

1686
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,310
And after a couple more

1687
00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:33,560
screenshots came out, the HR

1688
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,660
person was like, is there

1689
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:36,120
anything else that's going on?

1690
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:37,560
Because if there is, I'm one

1691
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,760
step away from flipping

1692
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,420
switches and learning lives.

1693
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,400
And I was really scared at that

1694
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:41,740
point.

1695
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,830
And shit rightfully kicked me

1696
00:45:42,830 --> 00:45:43,990
from the friend group because I

1697
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:45,070
was so scared of what was going

1698
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:45,920
to happen to them.

1699
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:47,470
I just ended up throwing the

1700
00:45:47,470 --> 00:45:48,650
runner at the bus because I was

1701
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:50,060
so scared and under pressure.

1702
00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:51,570
Like, we changed the password

1703
00:45:51,570 --> 00:45:52,850
for the Twitter account and

1704
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:54,400
everything because we could not

1705
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,520
have this go south.

1706
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,200
Yeah, and when the second

1707
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,120
document came out, I reached

1708
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,480
out to f*** again.

1709
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:02,100
And I was basically confirmed

1710
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:03,840
that that was what happened.

1711
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:05,100
And I put out my secondary

1712
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,660
statement on Twitter because

1713
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:08,440
the initial apology, well, the

1714
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,390
quote-unquote apology, that I

1715
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:12,170
made the first time, it went

1716
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:14,420
through those two people.

1717
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:16,420
And it was heavily sanitized.

1718
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:17,490
They wanted me to say he

1719
00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:19,340
apologized in B.C., he did this,

1720
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:20,100
he did that.

1721
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:21,730
And I was supposedly there to

1722
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:23,150
witness when he did those

1723
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:23,860
things.

1724
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,750
And as a result, people started

1725
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:27,960
disregarding everything as fake.

1726
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,240
And so I wanted to make that

1727
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,790
secondary statement to explain

1728
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:32,120
that nothing was fake.

1729
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,190
And I was frustrated into

1730
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:34,350
writing something I didn't

1731
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:35,340
really believe in.

1732
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,550
And then later, those two

1733
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:37,850
people would come forward in

1734
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:39,280
private and apologize to me for

1735
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,040
doing that.

1736
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,210
So let me get this straight,

1737
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:42,880
guys.

1738
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,030
So two official DA games

1739
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:45,770
ambassadors, mods, whatever you

1740
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:47,250
want to call them, basically

1741
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:48,660
tried to legally threaten you

1742
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:50,220
to formally apologize or else,

1743
00:46:50,220 --> 00:46:51,260
waggy finger.

1744
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:52,820
Is that basically what happened?

1745
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:53,780
Pretty much.

1746
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,340
This H4 person, she's worried

1747
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:56,510
about being a former Kiwi

1748
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:58,160
farmer and, like, digging stuff

1749
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,120
up about people.

1750
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,450
So I knew she had a capacity to

1751
00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:01,780
do those types of things.

1752
00:47:02,060 --> 00:47:03,480
Those people on those sites do.

1753
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,230
And I don't want that to happen

1754
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:05,740
to me.

1755
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,610
I don't want that to happen to

1756
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:07,450
f*** me and the other people

1757
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:08,380
who were working there.

1758
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:09,840
Yeah, I was especially scared.

1759
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,110
I was especially scared because

1760
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:13,620
they will commission me.

1761
00:47:14,140 --> 00:47:15,690
Like, what if they save the

1762
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:16,840
packaging?

1763
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:18,950
I send his outfit in and have

1764
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:19,760
my address.

1765
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:20,960
Like, I was scared as f***.

1766
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:22,820
So I logged you out because I

1767
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,880
could not have what happened to

1768
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,360
me.

1769
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,080
Yeah, that's fair.

1770
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:27,720
So what happened after you

1771
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:28,720
released the second doc?

1772
00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:29,870
Did anyone come after you or

1773
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:31,180
try to have you reprimanded?

1774
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,580
There was this...

1775
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:33,780
It was really weird.

1776
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:35,540
Like, this time it went okay.

1777
00:47:35,740 --> 00:47:37,010
Like, we posted it on, like,

1778
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:38,240
the Reddit and stuff.

1779
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:40,340
And it actually...

1780
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:41,060
That's a reaction.

1781
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,020
It was really cool.

1782
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,450
But there was also this one

1783
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:46,190
person that either was the HR

1784
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:48,180
person or someone pretending to

1785
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:49,260
be HR person.

1786
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,560
We still haven't figured that

1787
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:50,920
out.

1788
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:52,600
Chris, well, the HR person has

1789
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:53,830
a habit of stalking me,

1790
00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:54,880
specifically.

1791
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,000
And they threatened to...

1792
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,440
They acted like they were going

1793
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,040
to sue me.

1794
00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:00,540
Yeah, I remember that.

1795
00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:01,320
It was just horrible.

1796
00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:02,790
Another thing is the second doc,

1797
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:03,830
it just kind of inspired

1798
00:48:03,830 --> 00:48:04,930
someone to go through the

1799
00:48:04,930 --> 00:48:05,720
server logs.

1800
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:07,220
And they found that people like

1801
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:08,560
Chris were going through and

1802
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,020
deleting all the racist stuff

1803
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:10,900
that they said.

1804
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:12,140
And they found videos.

1805
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:13,500
And they made, like, a whole

1806
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:14,820
archive just going back.

1807
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:16,140
That they were, like, just

1808
00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:17,780
going back and deleting things.

1809
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:19,260
So Chris got caught being

1810
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:20,720
racist and sexist just in

1811
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:21,440
general?

1812
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:22,660
Yeah, pretty much.

1813
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,220
So before I move on to the last

1814
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:25,720
question, can you guys give

1815
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:27,080
some context, as much as you

1816
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,270
can, from the anonymous Chris

1817
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:29,330
story that you interviewed the

1818
00:48:29,330 --> 00:48:29,880
victim for?

1819
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,350
So that's actually my best

1820
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:33,090
friend, who told an anonymous

1821
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:33,680
story.

1822
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:35,280
So this had to do with her

1823
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,330
username, which had the word

1824
00:48:37,330 --> 00:48:39,780
animal in it, and then her name.

1825
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:42,840
And, um, so it actually came

1826
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,780
from that.

1827
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,100
Like, it was weird.

1828
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Why did they say that?

1829
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:49,960
Why did they think it was

1830
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,700
appropriate to say that to a 14-year-old

1831
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:52,780
they knew was 14?

1832
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:54,310
What took me off guard is that

1833
00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:55,950
the 14-year-olds had met Will

1834
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:56,500
before.

1835
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:57,420
Was that at a convention?

1836
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:59,580
Yes, it was at a convention.

1837
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Okay, okay, cool.

1838
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:01,180
At least that's purple.

1839
00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:03,400
They were also pretty prominent

1840
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,580
as a person in the community.

1841
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:07,560
So it would be weird if they

1842
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,480
didn't know how old she was.

1843
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:10,500
Is she still prominent?

1844
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,880
No, she got banned.

1845
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,930
And now she fucking hates their

1846
00:49:15,930 --> 00:49:17,120
guts, so...

1847
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,060
So the whole team has a

1848
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:19,440
controlling presence with their

1849
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,670
fan base and on social media,

1850
00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:21,100
right?

1851
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:21,800
Yeah.

1852
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:23,200
Yeah, pretty much.

1853
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:24,630
So my last question is, unless

1854
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:26,050
you guys wanted to add anything

1855
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:27,190
else as far as any general

1856
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:28,230
stories or experiences or

1857
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:28,700
anything.

1858
00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:31,150
So as I mentioned before, I was

1859
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:32,240
a fan artist, and at the

1860
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,700
beginning of Iris, I would make

1861
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:35,420
interpretations of characters.

1862
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,370
And Will would go on the chat

1863
00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:38,100
and say,

1864
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,410
These interpretations give me

1865
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:40,710
anxiety because now I'm scared

1866
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:41,960
they're not going to be able to

1867
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,440
live up to these expectations.

1868
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:44,680
Let me backtrack.

1869
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:45,320
What is Iris?

1870
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,580
Is that a song they've done?

1871
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:47,730
I'm not familiar with their

1872
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:48,640
content, really.

1873
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:49,800
It's one of his IPs.

1874
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:51,140
Yeah, it's an original story.

1875
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:53,700
Yeah, it's a dystopia thing.

1876
00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:55,980
There's a lot of characters,

1877
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:57,240
but not a lot of designs.

1878
00:49:58,060 --> 00:49:59,410
So what a lot of people like

1879
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:01,240
myself did was like,

1880
00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:02,610
Let's make a design on this

1881
00:50:02,610 --> 00:50:04,120
character based on this very

1882
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,000
vague description that he had.

1883
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:07,230
And people would also make

1884
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:08,630
covers of songs too, and he'd

1885
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:09,930
get high amounts of anxiety

1886
00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:10,520
over it.

1887
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:12,490
And in some cases, he'd call it

1888
00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:13,380
defacing.

1889
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:14,760
I got caught out for the way I

1890
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,280
drew on the just killer robots.

1891
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:17,360
Because he was like,

1892
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,710
Well, now you made my design

1893
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:19,930
look like horseshit, even

1894
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:21,070
though I heard no one else

1895
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:22,550
complaining about his design or

1896
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:23,700
anything like that.

1897
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,080
And then on top of that, a

1898
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,180
bunch of other artists started

1899
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:26,860
apologizing.

1900
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:28,480
Like, yeah, we're so sorry.

1901
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:29,280
We didn't know.

1902
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:31,100
A strawing, this stuff upset

1903
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:31,980
you so much.

1904
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,370
And you never said anything

1905
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:34,080
until now.

1906
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:35,450
And he made it a rule in the

1907
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:36,990
server for a while that you

1908
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:39,000
couldn't post interpretations.

1909
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:40,720
Or you couldn't post covers

1910
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,660
with more than one instrument

1911
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:44,620
or more than one vocal track.

1912
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,140
And he just now changed that

1913
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:46,640
rule.

1914
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,890
I heard from someone that's

1915
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:49,090
still in there that he just

1916
00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:50,450
changed the rule back to where

1917
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:51,700
it was before, so you can do

1918
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:52,480
that again.

1919
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:54,550
He's like, yeah, I'm not going

1920
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:55,190
to get over that because that's

1921
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:55,940
the stupidest fucking thing.

1922
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:57,080
He should be happy that people

1923
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,210
are making fan art because they

1924
00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:59,000
enjoy the thing.

1925
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,370
It's like he's punishing his

1926
00:51:00,370 --> 00:51:00,820
fans.

1927
00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:02,580
Yeah, even on Twitter, someone

1928
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:03,860
was asking about it.

1929
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:05,090
He's like, well, I'll go

1930
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:06,180
forward in making more

1931
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:07,720
character designs when I'm sure

1932
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,050
that they won't be tampered

1933
00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:09,580
with.

1934
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:10,830
And just a lot of extreme words

1935
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:12,240
for stuff that wasn't extreme.

1936
00:51:12,940 --> 00:51:13,990
Being a young artist at the

1937
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:14,980
time, I was 16.

1938
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,120
And that was devastating to me.

1939
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,330
And when I was telling him, you

1940
00:51:18,330 --> 00:51:19,500
know, it was really hurt when

1941
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:20,220
you said that.

1942
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:21,090
He was like, well, don't have a

1943
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:21,340
cow.

1944
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,200
It's not that bad.

1945
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:23,560
Without really acknowledging

1946
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,720
how I felt or how any of these

1947
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,220
other people felt about that.

1948
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,640
That's a problem he generally

1949
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,020
has.

1950
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:29,720
Like when someone comes forward

1951
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,230
to him about how he hurt their

1952
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:32,000
feelings.

1953
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:33,600
It's like, yeah, but it's not

1954
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,280
that bad.

1955
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,400
Like, bro, you hurt someone.

1956
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:38,660
It's not cool, man.

1957
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:40,300
Oh, it's so dumb.

1958
00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:41,060
It's so dumb.

1959
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:42,130
I mean, the predator shit and

1960
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:43,140
the child porn is probably the

1961
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:43,740
worst of it.

1962
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:44,920
Okay, to recap.

1963
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:46,130
So I was going to say it sounds

1964
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:47,370
like it's pretty bad between

1965
00:51:47,370 --> 00:51:48,620
the allowing predators to be in

1966
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:49,240
their spaces

1967
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:50,920
and not really doing anything

1968
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,470
about it or threatening people

1969
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:53,200
who make fan art

1970
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,740
or Will dating a minor and Will

1971
00:51:54,740 --> 00:51:56,080
looking up child porn.

1972
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,290
I remember seeing that because

1973
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:58,370
I thought that was the worst

1974
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:59,500
thing Will specifically had

1975
00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:59,900
done.

1976
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:01,310
And then Chris just had the

1977
00:52:01,310 --> 00:52:02,850
behavior of being sexist and

1978
00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:03,500
racist too

1979
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:04,560
and gross with minors.

1980
00:52:04,940 --> 00:52:05,820
So what would you guys like to

1981
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:07,080
gain from coming forward on a

1982
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,440
bigger platform and speaking

1983
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,600
about your stories?

1984
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:11,330
So my original goal would be

1985
00:52:11,330 --> 00:52:13,240
like acknowledgement of this

1986
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:14,540
stuff happening.

1987
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,960
But like, I don't think that's

1988
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,900
going to happen.

1989
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:20,060
Like ever being realistic.

1990
00:52:21,580 --> 00:52:22,630
I don't know exactly what I

1991
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:24,340
want anymore.

1992
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:26,180
Like, I just want this stuff

1993
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:27,060
out there.

1994
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:27,840
I guess.

1995
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,660
That's all I can do.

1996
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:30,890
What I personally think is Will

1997
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:31,970
needs to take a break from the

1998
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:32,440
internet

1999
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,400
because this sounds really

2000
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:34,410
unhealthy from a third party

2001
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:35,040
perspective.

2002
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:37,540
I'm just going to sound...

2003
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,570
This is going to sound really

2004
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:40,820
mean, but I don't think he's

2005
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:41,900
capable of taking a break from

2006
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:42,600
the internet.

2007
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:43,940
I mean, he went on a camping

2008
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:45,360
trip for his family and he was

2009
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,720
on his phone and was in voice

2010
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:47,920
calls the entire time.

2011
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,080
So even then, when he was

2012
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,480
supposed to be out in nature,

2013
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,840
he wasn't taking a break.

2014
00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:53,230
There was multiple times he

2015
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:54,750
said he'd leave Twitter and

2016
00:52:54,750 --> 00:52:55,720
then he never did.

2017
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:57,550
I believe someone caught him

2018
00:52:57,550 --> 00:52:58,580
lurking because he was

2019
00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:00,180
pretending to be off of Twitter.

2020
00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:01,490
But then like, he retweeted

2021
00:53:01,490 --> 00:53:03,380
something and then quickly unretweeted

2022
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:03,700
it.

2023
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:06,360
He's on Instagram mostly now.

2024
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:07,940
And even now he's pretending to

2025
00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:09,620
like, be offline on Discord.

2026
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:10,990
Something I've noticed too is

2027
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:12,350
that people who enable him are

2028
00:53:12,350 --> 00:53:13,380
dependent on him.

2029
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,720
Like the HR person who's a

2030
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:15,740
roommate of his and is

2031
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:17,010
dependent on the channel's

2032
00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:18,320
income in order to live.

2033
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,240
Yeah, exactly.

2034
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:21,100
Like the HR person lives with

2035
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:22,710
him and doesn't have a job

2036
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:24,680
outside of HR for DA games.

2037
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,150
I think we don't know because

2038
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:28,600
they're not a public figure.

2039
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,070
We don't have any connection to

2040
00:53:30,070 --> 00:53:30,900
them anymore.

2041
00:53:31,540 --> 00:53:33,170
But I think the only thing they

2042
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:35,520
do in their life is sit in Will's

2043
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,890
house and send out angry emails

2044
00:53:37,890 --> 00:53:38,640
to us.

2045
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,950
This is what the kids call an

2046
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:40,760
allegation.

2047
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,080
Something we don't know if it's

2048
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,130
true, but it's based on a

2049
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:44,260
theory and evidence.

2050
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:56,430
Sounds like a healthy work

2051
00:53:56,430 --> 00:54:04,020
environment.

2052
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:05,040
So the only time they

2053
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,620
acknowledge anything wrong is

2054
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:07,950
when I retweeted one of the

2055
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:09,500
emails a couple of weeks before

2056
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:10,620
this recording.

2057
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,070
And they were like, Chris is

2058
00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:12,840
taking a break.

2059
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,720
Chris is taking hiatus.

2060
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,060
Which I think means we're going

2061
00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:17,290
to wait until this blows over

2062
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:18,610
because we're not going to show

2063
00:54:18,610 --> 00:54:19,830
you any proof that Chris went

2064
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:20,860
to any HR training.

2065
00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:22,210
I'm going to go out on a limb

2066
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:23,650
and allege that he did not go

2067
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:25,060
through any training.

2068
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,150
Like I said, the HR person only

2069
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:29,160
made HR, was only made HR this

2070
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:29,820
year.

2071
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:31,660
DA is only for people.

2072
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:34,000
Even emailing and doing NDA was

2073
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,500
against the ACAS guidelines.

2074
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:38,070
So I don't know what training

2075
00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:39,680
he would have done if there was

2076
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,140
any.

2077
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,000
I think we had a timeline down.

2078
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,500
Like a day or so after your

2079
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:46,440
tweet came out, he left Twitter

2080
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,540
the day after.

2081
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:48,670
He was streaming the night

2082
00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:49,530
after and a day or two

2083
00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:50,900
afterwards, he was saying I got

2084
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:51,520
trained.

2085
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:52,890
Like at what point during that

2086
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:54,210
timeline would he be getting

2087
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:54,820
trained?

2088
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:57,710
Yeah, and keep in mind for

2089
00:54:57,710 --> 00:54:59,150
those who don't remember, I had

2090
00:54:59,150 --> 00:55:00,620
the original conversation with

2091
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:01,380
HR a year ago.

2092
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,800
And I was feeling antsy because

2093
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,040
I wanted to make a video for a

2094
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,340
while and we were waiting for

2095
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:06,300
the right time.

2096
00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:07,500
And then this blew up and I'm

2097
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:08,710
like, this would have been

2098
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:09,660
great a year ago.

2099
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:11,080
But ideally, it doesn't sound

2100
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,240
like the team is even safe to

2101
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:13,470
make content because of their

2102
00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:14,820
influence around others.

2103
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:17,040
Like Will himself dated a 17

2104
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,320
year old when how old was Will?

2105
00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:21,140
22 to 23.

2106
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:22,900
Ugh, great.

2107
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:24,350
So when you date a 17 year old,

2108
00:55:24,350 --> 00:55:25,750
regardless of when it happened,

2109
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:26,920
you should know better.

2110
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:28,270
Like Chris telling the story,

2111
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:29,650
regardless of when it happened,

2112
00:55:29,650 --> 00:55:30,800
he should know better.

2113
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:32,010
So I guess we'll hope for the

2114
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:32,440
best.

2115
00:55:33,060 --> 00:55:33,670
I think at the very least, if

2116
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:35,060
there's going to be any changes,

2117
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:36,220
they have to show proof and a

2118
00:55:36,220 --> 00:55:37,460
plan or else no one's going to

2119
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:38,660
believe them at this point, I

2120
00:55:38,660 --> 00:55:39,260
think.

2121
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:40,890
A public apology is probably a

2122
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:41,700
good start.

2123
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,240
Yeah, that's like the big thing.

2124
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,540
Like, you would think that

2125
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:50,120
nobody would believe what DA

2126
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,620
are saying, but...

2127
00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:52,980
They do.

2128
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,220
And it's weird.

2129
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:55,770
Like, even when you show proof,

2130
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:57,400
they're like, no, it's fake.

2131
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:57,800
It's fake.

2132
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:58,460
You're just haters.

2133
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,660
Like, their fan base is very...

2134
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:02,280
Yeah, their...

2135
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,880
Yeah, their fan base is like

2136
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,780
very...

2137
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:06,020
Um...

2138
00:56:06,020 --> 00:56:07,400
They just really want to

2139
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,420
believe that they're good

2140
00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:10,560
people when they're not because...

2141
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,140
Who knows why, actually.

2142
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,670
It's because he built up a

2143
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:16,430
parasocial relationship with

2144
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:16,960
them.

2145
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:17,400
True.

2146
00:56:18,460 --> 00:56:18,740
True.

2147
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:20,280
Even with the lolly thing, when

2148
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,850
we told people about that, they

2149
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:23,580
were still like, well...

2150
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:24,680
Actually, he was using it to

2151
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,220
test a bot.

2152
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:26,260
And I'm like, well, why is it

2153
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:26,920
still there?

2154
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,130
And it wasn't even in the same

2155
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:30,040
server.

2156
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:31,420
Again, the fans have a very

2157
00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:32,940
parasocial relationship.

2158
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:35,770
You have this mature 20-something-year-old

2159
00:56:35,770 --> 00:56:37,420
telling you all his deepest

2160
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:38,680
secrets and stuff.

2161
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,470
And all his childhood traumas

2162
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:42,060
and you feel closer to him.

2163
00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:43,680
And on top of that, you have

2164
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,700
this whole Discord channel

2165
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:45,770
dedicated to just giving him

2166
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:46,300
support.

2167
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:47,500
You're encouraged to look at

2168
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:48,610
his Discord status and see

2169
00:56:48,610 --> 00:56:49,580
which state he's in.

2170
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:50,830
When I was younger, he'd even

2171
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:51,500
pull...

2172
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,260
He'd even go as far as to, like,

2173
00:56:53,260 --> 00:56:55,130
delete his Twitter account and,

2174
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:56,780
like, threaten to delete the

2175
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:58,550
YouTube account because he was

2176
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:59,520
feeling bad.

2177
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:00,790
And when you're put through

2178
00:57:00,790 --> 00:57:02,050
that over and over again, you

2179
00:57:02,050 --> 00:57:03,080
want to feel close.

2180
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:03,930
You want to feel like, this

2181
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:04,700
person can't be bad.

2182
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,040
I did all this for him.

2183
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,960
I went through all this for him.

2184
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,360
And I'm just sorry.

2185
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,950
I'm getting really a bit heated

2186
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:12,490
here because, again, I went

2187
00:57:12,490 --> 00:57:13,760
through all of that.

2188
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:14,640
And it's such an emotional,

2189
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,740
draining thing to go through.

2190
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:16,870
It's like, no, you shouldn't be

2191
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:18,460
doing this to 13-18-year-olds.

2192
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:19,570
You shouldn't be telling them

2193
00:57:19,570 --> 00:57:20,360
all these things.

2194
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,550
Like, I'm going to delete my

2195
00:57:21,550 --> 00:57:22,890
YouTube channel where, you know,

2196
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:23,950
when I was bullied, I got my

2197
00:57:23,950 --> 00:57:24,820
head bashed in.

2198
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:26,140
Yeah, exactly.

2199
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:27,620
Like, the worst example I

2200
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:29,350
remember is, I think, that he

2201
00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:31,110
said in his Discord server that

2202
00:57:31,110 --> 00:57:32,700
he was going to kill himself

2203
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,020
because his fans were so

2204
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:35,420
fucking annoying.

2205
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,260
I don't have proof of this,

2206
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:37,960
sadly.

2207
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,520
I remember seeing it.

2208
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,180
He posted a suicide note on

2209
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:41,980
Twitter.

2210
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:43,040
Right, several times.

2211
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:44,250
And then Chloe had to come out

2212
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:45,820
saying, no, guys, he's fine.

2213
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,690
And then he just, like, he

2214
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:49,260
never deleted it afterwards.

2215
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,760
And he didn't kill himself.

2216
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,360
He's okay.

2217
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:53,660
He posted several times, like,

2218
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:54,860
while he was in a hospital as

2219
00:57:54,860 --> 00:57:55,360
well.

2220
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,480
Yeah, I remember this happening

2221
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,980
when I just was a fan.

2222
00:57:59,140 --> 00:58:01,930
Like, when I, like, 2018, 2019,

2223
00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:03,500
this was happening a lot.

2224
00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:05,250
And, like, I felt super close

2225
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:06,810
to him when I literally just

2226
00:58:06,810 --> 00:58:09,080
knew him for, like, four months.

2227
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,620
It was weird.

2228
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,920
Like, I felt this super close

2229
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,880
connection to him.

2230
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,380
And now I understand why.

2231
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:16,300
And it's so fucking awful.

2232
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:17,680
On that note, do you guys have

2233
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,090
any advice for people that are

2234
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:20,420
kind of in similar shoes that

2235
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:20,920
you were

2236
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:21,920
when you were finding all this

2237
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:22,380
stuff out?

2238
00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:23,940
Talk to people.

2239
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:26,040
Talk to people.

2240
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:27,220
Like, you're not alone going

2241
00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:27,960
through this.

2242
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Like, please talk to people.

2243
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,460
Even people that are still fans.

2244
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,540
Like, talk to them.

2245
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,150
And it's okay if you don't feel

2246
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:37,620
okay going through this.

2247
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Because it's fucking hard.

2248
00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:40,760
Having to sever a connection

2249
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,880
that feels so close and

2250
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:42,560
personal.

2251
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,940
Who is someone who turns out to

2252
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:46,600
be a terrible person.

2253
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,380
Like, it's okay to feel bad.

2254
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,810
It's okay to feel sad for the

2255
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:50,860
things you lose.

2256
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,220
Um, it's okay.

2257
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:55,120
Like, you're gonna be fine.

2258
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:56,220
Talk to people.

2259
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:58,260
Yeah, I agree that wholeheartedly.

2260
00:58:58,380 --> 00:58:59,460
Like, just talk to people.

2261
00:58:59,860 --> 00:59:01,100
One of the driver factors that

2262
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:02,620
led me to become friends with

2263
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:04,220
**** again is that I talked to

2264
00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:05,610
someone about everything that

2265
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:06,220
happened.

2266
00:59:06,540 --> 00:59:07,480
And I suggest just to talk to

2267
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,790
people who are outside of the

2268
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:09,380
server.

2269
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:10,940
Go to different servers.

2270
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:11,880
And just know that this is

2271
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,380
nothing.

2272
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:13,730
This is not how things are

2273
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:14,740
supposed to be.

2274
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,100
Like, I talked to a friend who

2275
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,310
had nothing to do with DA or

2276
00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:18,000
anything.

2277
00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:19,180
And they were like, that's not

2278
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:19,600
normal.

2279
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,070
That's not something that

2280
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:22,270
should be happening on a

2281
00:59:22,270 --> 00:59:23,300
regular basis.

2282
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Yeah, I think that's a good

2283
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,580
note to end on.

2284
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,660
Therapy's good, guys.

2285
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,620
Alright, well, I guess on that

2286
00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:29,800
note we can end.

2287
00:59:29,980 --> 00:59:30,970
Thanks everyone for being here

2288
00:59:30,970 --> 00:59:32,100
and telling your stories.

2289
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,480
It sounds like a hot mess.

2290
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:34,640
It is.

2291
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:36,540
Like, it's so messy right now.

2292
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:38,120
Like, on the DAGN subreddit

2293
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,080
currently they're like censoring

2294
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:40,700
words.

2295
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:42,260
You cannot say the number 11

2296
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:42,880
anymore.

2297
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:44,740
**** like that.

2298
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:45,360
It's stupid.

2299
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,920
And if you try to post anything

2300
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,960
without context,

2301
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,480
I was trying to post context of

2302
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,820
what was going on earlier

2303
00:59:50,820 --> 00:59:52,810
and they just deleted it

2304
00:59:52,810 --> 00:59:53,440
immediately.

2305
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:55,780
Yeah, they nuke it instantly.

2306
00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:57,420
Like, I go bans from the Reddit.

2307
00:59:58,060 --> 00:59:58,810
As someone who took a media

2308
00:59:58,810 --> 00:59:59,880
literacy course,

2309
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,800
this is not how you deal with

2310
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,300
backlash.

2311
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,300
You apologize,

2312
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:05,100
but it's kind of hard to

2313
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:05,800
recover

2314
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,030
when you have miners and

2315
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:08,400
predators in the same space

2316
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,350
and you haven't really done

2317
01:00:09,350 --> 01:00:10,160
anything about it.

2318
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,480
These are really serious issues

2319
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,300
that aren't like a oopsie, so...

2320
01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:15,760
No.

2321
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,570
They're dealing with it so

2322
01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:18,200
badly,

2323
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,490
like, it's embarrassing for

2324
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:19,900
them.

2325
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:21,080
I know.

2326
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,420
I heard through a mutual friend

2327
01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:23,430
that they originally weren't

2328
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:24,160
going to say anything

2329
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,940
because they didn't see a

2330
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:25,520
reason for it.

2331
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:25,900
They were like,

2332
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:26,920
oh, there's no reason for it.

2333
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:27,780
It's going to go away.

2334
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:28,700
All right.

2335
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Thanks everyone for listening.

2336
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:30,600
Yes.

2337
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,180
Thank you.

2338
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:32,570
So there's three players in

2339
01:00:32,570 --> 01:00:33,980
this Shakespearean tragedy.

2340
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,750
Chris, a former member of my

2341
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:36,600
production team

2342
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,690
who made up this gross story

2343
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:38,140
about me,

2344
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,920
his first boss, DA Games,

2345
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:41,660
a YouTube channel run by Will

2346
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:42,120
Ryan,

2347
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:43,800
and his second boss,

2348
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,940
another YouTuber named Saberspark.

2349
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:46,700
Misk,

2350
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,080
Will's Nazi racist and anti-Semitic

2351
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,800
memes.

2352
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,480
There's also, um,

2353
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,400
racist and anti-Semitic memes.

2354
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:54,920
It never ends here.

2355
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:55,900
Part three,

2356
01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:57,300
how DA Games handled the Chris

2357
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:57,960
situation.

2358
01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:59,100
Badly.

2359
01:00:59,380 --> 01:01:00,440
Back to the Chris situation,

2360
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,500
the DA Games team first

2361
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:02,800
responded to the situation

2362
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,820
privately in November of 2023,

2363
01:01:05,420 --> 01:01:05,970
citing the issue had been

2364
01:01:05,970 --> 01:01:06,970
resolved to their own

2365
01:01:06,970 --> 01:01:07,700
satisfaction

2366
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:09,200
and that Chris didn't work for

2367
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,240
them at that time,

2368
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,400
even though there's proof that

2369
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,220
suggests otherwise,

2370
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:13,840
and that Will Ryan was likely

2371
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:14,520
in the room

2372
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,830
to hear the story recounted at

2373
01:01:15,830 --> 01:01:16,520
least once.

2374
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:17,930
They continued to lie about my

2375
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:18,600
legal rights

2376
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,870
and basically put pressure on

2377
01:01:19,870 --> 01:01:20,770
me to stay quiet about

2378
01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:21,500
everything.

2379
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:22,860
We'll show you those emails in

2380
01:01:22,860 --> 01:01:23,460
a second.

2381
01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:25,020
At a last ditch attempt,

2382
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,660
DA Games attempted to send me a

2383
01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:27,560
cease and desist.

2384
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:28,770
So we're going to go through

2385
01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:30,090
some highlights of the emails

2386
01:01:30,090 --> 01:01:30,480
here,

2387
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:31,830
but feel free to pause the

2388
01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:33,180
video and read them for any

2389
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:34,440
context that you'd like.

2390
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:35,560
Hi, Matilda.

2391
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,690
I was told to contact you

2392
01:01:36,690 --> 01:01:38,270
regarding the Aficionados Chris

2393
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:38,740
case.

2394
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,280
Many months later.

2395
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:41,960
Hi, Matilda and the DA Games

2396
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:42,460
team.

2397
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,920
It's been three months since I

2398
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,800
last reached out,

2399
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,120
and I'm disappointed in the

2400
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,080
lack of urgency.

2401
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:48,880
I'm reaching out one last time,

2402
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:49,740
discuss the issue,

2403
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:50,660
and solve it privately.

2404
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:51,920
Hi, KP.

2405
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,640
Thanks for your patience.

2406
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:55,280
Chris informed us that the

2407
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,860
recording between you and him

2408
01:01:56,860 --> 01:01:58,120
was not consensual.

2409
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:59,630
Nonetheless, we listened to the

2410
01:01:59,630 --> 01:02:01,080
recording ourselves and have

2411
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,510
determined that the two of you

2412
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:03,510
had already reached a

2413
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:04,140
resolution.

2414
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:05,650
You will allow the actions of

2415
01:02:05,650 --> 01:02:07,090
the past to be forgotten and

2416
01:02:07,090 --> 01:02:07,860
forgiven.

2417
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:09,730
It is also our understanding

2418
01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:11,390
that all of this took place

2419
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:13,450
before Chris was an employee of

2420
01:02:13,450 --> 01:02:13,760
DA,

2421
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,210
meaning that he was not under

2422
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:16,540
contract at the time of the

2423
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:17,280
incident.

2424
01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:19,070
Therefore, as a company, we do

2425
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:20,680
not have the jurisdiction to

2426
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,420
punish him in this situation as

2427
01:02:22,420 --> 01:02:24,380
he has not breached contract.

2428
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,110
I'm disappointed with the lack

2429
01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:27,610
of action taken regarding these

2430
01:02:27,610 --> 01:02:28,930
issues and your lack of alarm

2431
01:02:28,930 --> 01:02:30,180
in terms of how it reflects

2432
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:32,000
upon your company's priorities,

2433
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,500
values, and internal culture.

2434
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:34,910
Also, regarding the recording

2435
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:36,600
and Chris's statement, fact is,

2436
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,340
whether or not Chris engaged in

2437
01:02:38,340 --> 01:02:39,260
the activity,

2438
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:41,060
he openly spoke about doing it

2439
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:42,880
allegedly in calls involving

2440
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,710
his coworkers post having his

2441
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:46,680
position within the company and

2442
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:47,300
after,

2443
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,180
as late as 2019.

2444
01:02:50,060 --> 01:02:50,870
This is highly inappropriate,

2445
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:52,610
morally unacceptable language

2446
01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:54,260
to use when conducting oneself

2447
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:55,420
around coworkers,

2448
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,340
much less when his attempt to

2449
01:02:57,340 --> 01:02:58,860
convey approval from peers and

2450
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:00,080
a superior by presenting

2451
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,800
himself as a sexual harasser.

2452
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,250
If he was bragging about sexual

2453
01:03:03,250 --> 01:03:04,800
misconduct involving a minor,

2454
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,600
would that change your response?

2455
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,020
Because if the answer is yes,

2456
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:09,280
you should be taking this

2457
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,520
seriously because sexual

2458
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,400
harassment is sexual harassment.

2459
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,170
By continuing to employ Chris,

2460
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:15,480
you not only condone his

2461
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,760
behavior, but actively

2462
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:17,830
encourage it within your

2463
01:03:17,830 --> 01:03:19,320
workplace-related settings.

2464
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,790
At this point, it's a matter of

2465
01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:22,230
safety for myself and members

2466
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:23,360
of our communities,

2467
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:24,880
and me attempting to handle

2468
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,080
this issue privately is a

2469
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:26,720
courtesy,

2470
01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:28,480
one that seemingly is not being

2471
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,520
honored, in fact, dismissed.

2472
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,270
If no satisfactory result is

2473
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:33,800
brought about, I have no

2474
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,520
problems going public.

2475
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,220
We will review this case again

2476
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:38,680
and decide on appropriate

2477
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,080
disciplinary action.

2478
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,970
This will be handled internally

2479
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:44,100
and confidentially, of course.

2480
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,520
We would like to state that we

2481
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,940
do not represent Chris in any

2482
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:47,940
legal capacity.

2483
01:03:48,260 --> 01:03:49,620
DA Games as a company does not

2484
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:51,510
tolerate threats of defamation

2485
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:52,220
or libel.

2486
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,030
If you go public, we have the

2487
01:03:54,030 --> 01:03:55,900
right to pursue legal action.

2488
01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:57,380
We will share the results of

2489
01:03:57,380 --> 01:03:59,130
the investigation with KP, but

2490
01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:00,920
only on the condition that she

2491
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,420
signs a confidentiality

2492
01:04:02,420 --> 01:04:03,340
agreement.

2493
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,060
Part 4. How Saberspark handled

2494
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:07,220
the Chris situation.

2495
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:08,160
Badly.

2496
01:04:08,220 --> 01:04:09,680
Next is YouTuber Saberspark,

2497
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,080
who primarily makes animated

2498
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,600
themed content, and generally

2499
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:13,700
seems not to care about the

2500
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:14,950
situation unless he is listed

2501
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:16,140
as an employer of Chris.

2502
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:17,570
I originally contacted Saber

2503
01:04:17,570 --> 01:04:19,130
through his staff, and here are

2504
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:20,570
the Discord messages to prove

2505
01:04:20,570 --> 01:04:21,080
that.

2506
01:04:21,380 --> 01:04:22,080
I hate it here.

2507
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,220
There were talks of a hiring

2508
01:04:23,220 --> 01:04:24,490
change, and I assume Chris was

2509
01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:25,690
terminated from working with

2510
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:26,680
Steven due to that.

2511
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,290
Cool. One last thing to worry

2512
01:04:28,290 --> 01:04:28,740
about.

2513
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,060
Then it got worse.

2514
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,060
Turns out, nothing happened.

2515
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:34,560
Cool.

2516
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:34,680
Cool.

2517
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:36,940
Oh, there's a big surprise!

2518
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:38,130
I tried following up, but never

2519
01:04:38,130 --> 01:04:38,900
heard anything.

2520
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,320
Cut to November of this year,

2521
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,690
where Steven is mentioned in

2522
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:43,110
that email asking for an NDA to

2523
01:04:43,110 --> 01:04:44,600
look into the Chris issue.

2524
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:46,170
This eventually escalated into

2525
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:47,380
a public spectacle when I

2526
01:04:47,380 --> 01:04:49,180
shared the NDA email on Twitter.

2527
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:50,190
One of the people in that

2528
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:51,640
thread tagged Steven directly,

2529
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:52,520
and then...

2530
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,220
Thanks for the support, guys.

2531
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,670
It's emotionally draining, but

2532
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:56,930
I feel like being critical of

2533
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:58,440
online spaces, especially when

2534
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,410
you try to solve things

2535
01:04:59,410 --> 01:05:01,120
privately first, is important.

2536
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:03,340
Were you able to contact Saber

2537
01:05:03,340 --> 01:05:04,890
or anyone that currently works

2538
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:06,080
for him about Chris?

2539
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:07,420
I contacted Saber through some

2540
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:08,910
friends in common. Never heard

2541
01:05:08,910 --> 01:05:10,070
about an official firing,

2542
01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:10,580
though.

2543
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:12,430
I was never contacted by any

2544
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:14,350
friend of yours, nor did you

2545
01:05:14,350 --> 01:05:16,350
ever make any attempt to reach

2546
01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:18,080
out to me on your own behalf

2547
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,440
via Twitter, email, or anywhere

2548
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:21,160
else.

2549
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:23,110
You are omitting so much

2550
01:05:23,110 --> 01:05:25,430
information right now, but I'll

2551
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:26,890
provide some here in a sec,

2552
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:28,840
under your original post.

2553
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,840
Dude, we can talk privately.

2554
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:31,990
I have screenshots that I

2555
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:34,960
contacted both... and... and...

2556
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:35,240
and...

2557
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,410
Are you going to record the

2558
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:37,640
call without telling me the

2559
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,220
same way you did to Chris, too?

2560
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:40,900
Talk to me privately.

2561
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,150
I'm not doing this back and

2562
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:42,880
forth on Twitter.

2563
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,100
Then don't app me with your

2564
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:45,260
half-truths and omitted

2565
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:46,600
information in order to gain

2566
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,260
sympathy and slander my name.

2567
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,780
I'm 100% to debunk every accusation

2568
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:51,780
in your video.

2569
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:52,980
I have no idea how you can

2570
01:05:52,980 --> 01:05:54,420
claim due diligence when you

2571
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:55,780
never reached out to me.

2572
01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:57,380
Don't fucking talk to me like

2573
01:05:57,380 --> 01:05:57,880
that.

2574
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,190
Don't call me a fucking liar

2575
01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:00,610
when I have the screenshots to

2576
01:06:00,610 --> 01:06:01,340
back me up.

2577
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,600
And if you're aware of the call,

2578
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:03,820
then the information got back

2579
01:06:03,820 --> 01:06:04,720
to you regardless.

2580
01:06:05,180 --> 01:06:06,670
If there was some decision made,

2581
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:07,840
I never heard about it.

2582
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,160
I'm ending this conversation.

2583
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:10,810
So a couple of things to unpack

2584
01:06:10,810 --> 01:06:12,490
here besides me not purposely

2585
01:06:12,490 --> 01:06:13,740
tagging Stephen.

2586
01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:15,020
It was a third party.

2587
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:16,660
Regardless, Stephen proceeded

2588
01:06:16,660 --> 01:06:18,100
to call me a liar publicly.

2589
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,420
You calling me a liar?

2590
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,840
I ain't calling you a truther.

2591
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,340
Proceeded to tease me about

2592
01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:24,110
doing an unsolicited recording

2593
01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:25,360
and to slander him.

2594
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,400
Slander is spoken.

2595
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:27,880
In print, it's libel.

2596
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,500
Some red flags to this response.

2597
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:32,400
1. Stephen could have calmly

2598
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,700
asked who I talked to instead

2599
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:34,900
of assuming the worst.

2600
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:36,820
2. His anger was directed at me

2601
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:38,250
and not an employer, Chris

2602
01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:39,000
himself.

2603
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,810
3. Stephen is claiming that I

2604
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:42,510
never contacted him directly,

2605
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:43,730
implying that he had no

2606
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:45,240
information about this,

2607
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:46,360
but admits to knowing the

2608
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,700
confrontation with Chris was

2609
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:48,340
recorded.

2610
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:49,140
Hmm.

2611
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:50,740
Sounded like some bullshit to

2612
01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:51,080
me.

2613
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:52,170
By the way, I wasn't going to

2614
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:53,320
make fun of Stephen so much,

2615
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,520
but I gave him so many chances

2616
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,720
to communicate with me and he

2617
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,840
just didn't do anything,

2618
01:06:57,020 --> 01:06:58,190
so clearly he doesn't care what

2619
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:58,940
I have to say.

2620
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,380
It's only an issue when there's

2621
01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:01,540
potential backlash.

2622
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,300
I've come to make an

2623
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:06,380
announcement.

2624
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,890
Shadow the Hedgehog is a bitch-ass

2625
01:07:08,890 --> 01:07:10,300
motherfucker.

2626
01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:13,620
He pissed on my fucking wife.

2627
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:14,440
That's right.

2628
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:17,520
He said his dick was this big,

2629
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:18,300
and I said,

2630
01:07:18,460 --> 01:07:19,940
that's disgusting.

2631
01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:22,240
So I'm making a call-out post

2632
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,260
on my Twitter.com.

2633
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:26,770
Shadow the Hedgehog, you got a

2634
01:07:26,770 --> 01:07:28,720
small fucking dick.

2635
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,880
It's the size of this walnut,

2636
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,920
but way fucking smaller.

2637
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,480
And guess what?

2638
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:37,540
Here's what my dong looks like.

2639
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,880
That's right, baby.

2640
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,440
All points.

2641
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:42,860
No quills.

2642
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,080
No pillows.

2643
01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:45,740
Look at that.

2644
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,740
It looks like two balls and a bong.

2645
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:50,820
He fucked my wife.

2646
01:07:50,940 --> 01:07:51,680
Guess what?

2647
01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:53,660
I'm gonna fuck the Earth.

2648
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,680
That's right.

2649
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:56,160
That's what you get.

2650
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:58,960
My super laser piss.

2651
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,770
Except I'm not gonna piss on

2652
01:08:00,770 --> 01:08:01,680
the Earth.

2653
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:03,420
I'm going higher.

2654
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,780
I'm gonna piss on the Moon.

2655
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,340
How do you like that, Obama?

2656
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,140
You have 23 hours before the

2657
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:15,220
piss droplets fall on the Earth.

2658
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:17,820
Now get out of my fucking sight

2659
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:20,180
before I piss on you too!

2660
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,000
So what I think happened is

2661
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,740
that Stephen was informed by Pym,

2662
01:08:23,740 --> 01:08:25,340
didn't know it came from me,

2663
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:26,690
discussed it, blew it off, or

2664
01:08:26,690 --> 01:08:27,950
decided it was nothing, and

2665
01:08:27,950 --> 01:08:28,990
forgot about it until he

2666
01:08:28,990 --> 01:08:30,200
started facing some public

2667
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,640
backlash and proceeded to blame

2668
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:32,080
me.

2669
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,400
Because he was so concerned

2670
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:34,900
with direct communication, I

2671
01:08:34,900 --> 01:08:36,400
ended up sending him this email

2672
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:37,980
detailing who I talked to, why

2673
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:39,420
this is important, and why this

2674
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:40,960
isn't a single incident.

2675
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:42,360
Good afternoon, Stephen.

2676
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:43,580
This email is your requested

2677
01:08:43,580 --> 01:08:44,970
private communication regarding

2678
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:46,160
Chris and the overall sexual

2679
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,390
harassment situation that he

2680
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:48,060
has caused.

2681
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:49,440
Our full incident report can be

2682
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:50,560
found here if needed.

2683
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:52,110
Since you publicly displayed

2684
01:08:52,110 --> 01:08:53,140
confusion at best about my

2685
01:08:53,140 --> 01:08:54,480
attempting communication with

2686
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:55,890
you prior to this point, below

2687
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:56,880
are screenshots of my

2688
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,350
conversations with K*cking and

2689
01:08:58,350 --> 01:09:00,070
K*cking, aka the friends/employees

2690
01:09:00,070 --> 01:09:01,860
I passed Chris's information to.

2691
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:03,170
The conversation with K*cking

2692
01:09:03,170 --> 01:09:04,230
specifically mentions a

2693
01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:05,680
possible staffing change based

2694
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:06,680
on Chris's actions, and I

2695
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:07,730
honestly cannot fathom a

2696
01:09:07,730 --> 01:09:09,030
situation where there would be

2697
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:10,180
that drastic of an employee

2698
01:09:10,180 --> 01:09:11,440
change or discussion without

2699
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:12,440
your knowledge.

2700
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,670
Screenshots can be found here,

2701
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:14,480
here, and here.

2702
01:09:14,780 --> 01:09:16,040
I do not appreciate you calling

2703
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,600
me a liar publicly, and I would

2704
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,830
like some form of public

2705
01:09:18,830 --> 01:09:19,420
apology.

2706
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,220
He didn't give me one.

2707
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:22,430
Additionally, your public

2708
01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:23,720
statement states that you knew

2709
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:24,970
the confrontation between me

2710
01:09:24,970 --> 01:09:26,100
and Chris was recorded as a

2711
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,420
matter of community safety.

2712
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:28,470
Combined with your email

2713
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:29,830
interactions with EA Games, it

2714
01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:30,920
leads me to believe that,

2715
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,930
unless there is some major miscommunication,

2716
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:34,190
you are aware of the situation

2717
01:09:34,190 --> 01:09:35,580
you have chosen in action.

2718
01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:36,730
You still have the choice to

2719
01:09:36,730 --> 01:09:38,130
either hold Chris accountable,

2720
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:39,630
i.e. firing him with proof, or

2721
01:09:39,630 --> 01:09:40,540
keep him on staff.

2722
01:09:40,540 --> 01:09:41,920
Should you choose the former,

2723
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,230
please communicate this to me

2724
01:09:43,230 --> 01:09:44,420
as soon as possible to avoid

2725
01:09:44,420 --> 01:09:45,690
any miscommunication in any

2726
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:47,170
public statements/information

2727
01:09:47,170 --> 01:09:48,080
present after.

2728
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:49,720
If you believe this is a one-time

2729
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,210
incident, this document linked

2730
01:09:51,210 --> 01:09:52,640
below has logged some of Chris's

2731
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,140
other inappropriate behavior,

2732
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:55,430
including but not limited to

2733
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:56,650
making bestiality jokes to

2734
01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:58,020
someone he knew as a minor, and

2735
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:59,240
the use of the N-word in Nazi

2736
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,560
imagery with himself and will

2737
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,720
of the EA Games.

2738
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,120
You can find more information

2739
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,460
on page 4 and 29 of this

2740
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:05,140
document.

2741
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:06,620
I have been clear on screen

2742
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:07,960
shots of the bestiality

2743
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,560
incident if requested.

2744
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,460
I hope that we can clearly

2745
01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:11,560
communicate about this going

2746
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,060
forward.

2747
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:13,270
I have no desire to get into an

2748
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:14,630
internet squabble with you, so

2749
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:15,940
let's please work this out like

2750
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:16,560
adults.

2751
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:17,980
And do you know what happened?

2752
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:20,010
No response to the email, but

2753
01:10:20,010 --> 01:10:22,240
suddenly the Twitter exchange

2754
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,480
got deleted? Where did it go?

2755
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,620
Nowhere to be found. No apology,

2756
01:10:26,620 --> 01:10:28,590
no clarification. Just deleted

2757
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:30,020
the evidence that he knew about

2758
01:10:30,020 --> 01:10:31,420
the situation and covered his

2759
01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:32,840
tracks and enabled the weird

2760
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,200
dude because god forbid Stephen

2761
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,400
have to find a new editor or

2762
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,830
even do the public apology that

2763
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:38,140
I asked him to when he falsely

2764
01:10:38,140 --> 01:10:39,560
threw me under the bus.

2765
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,060
I believe Stephen realized I

2766
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:42,490
wasn't lying and instead of

2767
01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:43,790
talking to me directly or

2768
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:45,210
apologizing to me, he just

2769
01:10:45,210 --> 01:10:46,780
deleted the thread. So if

2770
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:48,370
Stephen wasn't hiding anything

2771
01:10:48,370 --> 01:10:49,700
or wasn't sus, why didn't he

2772
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:50,960
just ask me about the Chris

2773
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,180
stuff? He just assumed

2774
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:53,670
automatically that I was lying

2775
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:55,060
and started yelling. Very

2776
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:56,870
defensive. Very sus. What

2777
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:58,190
exactly was the move here,

2778
01:10:58,190 --> 01:10:59,570
Stephen? Do you think just

2779
01:10:59,570 --> 01:11:01,080
deleting the thread, putting

2780
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,470
your fingers in your ears and

2781
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:03,690
going "la la la la la" would

2782
01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:05,170
make this all go away? More of

2783
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:06,430
the story is to fire creepy

2784
01:11:06,430 --> 01:11:07,970
people on your staff even if it's

2785
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:09,540
inconvenient to you.

2786
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:10,940
Stephen, it is clear to me that

2787
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:12,230
you do not wish to correspond

2788
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:13,630
with any direct communication

2789
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:14,710
despite you personally

2790
01:11:14,710 --> 01:11:15,940
requesting so. To say I'm

2791
01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:17,460
disappointed with your behavior

2792
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:19,100
would be a severe understatement.

2793
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,430
You called me a liar publicly

2794
01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,640
without even asking for the

2795
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,540
truth or further clarification.

2796
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:24,660
To me, it seems like the only

2797
01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:25,750
reason why you wanted to get

2798
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:26,940
involved is that your name was

2799
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:28,040
attached, and you're more

2800
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:29,240
interested in damage control

2801
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,520
for your brand than your brand's

2802
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:31,810
actual integrity. I feel like

2803
01:11:31,810 --> 01:11:33,040
we wouldn't even be having this

2804
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:34,240
conversation if there was not

2805
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,630
another YouTuber in your space.

2806
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:36,420
I hope that you can be

2807
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:37,690
professional about this going

2808
01:11:37,690 --> 01:11:39,520
forward, even though frankly,

2809
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,060
You haven't been through this

2810
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:42,670
entire nightmare ordeal. But

2811
01:11:42,670 --> 01:11:44,520
clearly, that is not possible.

2812
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,550
Hey Rachel, to start things off,

2813
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:48,300
I replied to you on Twitter the

2814
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:50,060
way I did, out of frustration

2815
01:11:50,060 --> 01:11:51,820
due to the misinformation you

2816
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:53,640
have about me, and how you were

2817
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,390
talking about me without ever

2818
01:11:55,390 --> 01:11:57,990
contacting me directly prior. I'd

2819
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:59,510
imagine you'd feel the same

2820
01:11:59,510 --> 01:12:01,290
frustration if someone had

2821
01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:03,300
incorrect info about you, and

2822
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:05,300
probably you do, with how some

2823
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:07,070
people went after you in the

2824
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:09,500
past, with false information.

2825
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,240
I truly don't want to engage in

2826
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,970
internet drama that operates

2827
01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:14,710
off of gossip, but the amount

2828
01:12:14,710 --> 01:12:16,450
of misinformation you have is

2829
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:18,180
staggering, so I will set the

2830
01:12:18,180 --> 01:12:20,050
record straight. As far as you

2831
01:12:20,050 --> 01:12:21,830
and me, I'm dumbfounded. We

2832
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:23,690
hung out, and that was it. I'm

2833
01:12:23,690 --> 01:12:25,020
not sure what you saw in

2834
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:26,620
hanging out with me, but we

2835
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:28,530
just went our separate ways.

2836
01:12:28,530 --> 01:12:30,150
All in all, I feel blindsided

2837
01:12:30,150 --> 01:12:32,030
by your emails Rachel. How can

2838
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:33,700
you say that you're coming to

2839
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:35,680
me as an impartial individual?

2840
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,300
As far as Chris goes, I heard

2841
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:39,420
through second hand sources,

2842
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:41,120
of his stupid joke, that Chris

2843
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,820
made amends with you, and that

2844
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:44,590
was the end of it. Only for me,

2845
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:46,100
to get accusatory emails,

2846
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:48,000
months later? You never reached

2847
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,580
out to me officially, so how

2848
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:51,220
could I acknowledge anything

2849
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:52,420
besides what-?

2850
01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:54,360
Finally, I do have a lawyer,

2851
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,070
and I will gladly bring him

2852
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:58,110
into our conversation to clear

2853
01:12:58,110 --> 01:13:00,100
the air if needed. Now that it

2854
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:01,720
has come to this degree of

2855
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,740
misinformation on your end, I

2856
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:05,700
will do everything within my

2857
01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:07,480
power to clear the record for

2858
01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:09,460
the truth, and that includes

2859
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:11,210
exploring legal avenues if

2860
01:13:11,210 --> 01:13:13,760
necessary. I hope this

2861
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,560
information helps and convinces

2862
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,930
you to reconsider your position.

2863
01:13:17,930 --> 01:13:20,720
Regards, Stephen.

2864
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:23,010
Stephen, you've already passed

2865
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:24,370
the allotted time I've given

2866
01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:25,800
you to deal with the situation

2867
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,220
privately, as outlined in my

2868
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:28,590
first email, which I feel is

2869
01:13:28,590 --> 01:13:30,130
ridiculous considering you had

2870
01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:31,610
access to this information for

2871
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:33,170
more than a year, regardless of

2872
01:13:33,170 --> 01:13:34,940
where it came from. If you're

2873
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:36,070
now going to sit there and

2874
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:37,650
threaten me with legality after

2875
01:13:37,650 --> 01:13:39,050
this many private attempts at

2876
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:40,470
communication, I will not be

2877
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:42,080
entering any further discussion

2878
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,230
with you after this last

2879
01:13:43,230 --> 01:13:44,610
correspondence and cutting

2880
01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:46,420
contact with you at this point.

2881
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:47,810
The reality is I'm incredibly

2882
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:49,370
uncomfortable with your general

2883
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:50,880
approach in which your previous

2884
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:51,240
email

2885
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,060
and how your public

2886
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:53,110
correspondence has been

2887
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:54,320
addressed, as well as you in

2888
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:54,900
general.

2889
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:56,190
So I'll keep this as brief as

2890
01:13:56,190 --> 01:13:56,860
possible.

2891
01:13:57,140 --> 01:13:58,690
To add to this, this whole, I

2892
01:13:58,690 --> 01:14:00,190
will fight you for the truth,

2893
01:14:00,190 --> 01:14:00,740
tone,

2894
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:01,940
your whole last email and the

2895
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:03,400
Twitter thread is drenched with,

2896
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:04,830
undermines the actual issues of

2897
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:05,800
the conversation.

2898
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,340
On top of assuming I'm going to

2899
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:09,420
publish falsifiable information.

2900
01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:10,780
Is that how you talk to someone

2901
01:14:10,780 --> 01:14:11,850
who's treated poorly by a

2902
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:13,400
current employee in the past?

2903
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:15,180
Based on all of your previous

2904
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:16,560
conversations, forgive me if

2905
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,640
you're not on the top of my

2906
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:18,830
list of people who treat me

2907
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:20,060
with assumed respect.

2908
01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:21,730
In regards to your response on

2909
01:14:21,730 --> 01:14:22,920
my Twitter posting,

2910
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,600
your heated response calling me

2911
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,840
a liar and questioning my

2912
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,060
character publicly is

2913
01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:27,980
unacceptable.

2914
01:14:28,660 --> 01:14:29,160
How you were particularly

2915
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,390
feeling at the time doesn't

2916
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:31,740
justify calling people names

2917
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:33,140
and treating them poorly.

2918
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:34,750
As well, you could have DM'd me

2919
01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:36,310
as requested several times or

2920
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:37,840
asked for further information

2921
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,260
before responding in such a

2922
01:14:39,260 --> 01:14:39,820
tone.

2923
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:41,780
When all I ask regarding this

2924
01:14:41,780 --> 01:14:42,800
exchange is for you to

2925
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,920
apologize publicly for

2926
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,380
something you did publicly,

2927
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:46,990
you instead doubled down in the

2928
01:14:46,990 --> 01:14:48,310
last message and tried to

2929
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:50,050
justify your feelings, and only

2930
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:51,080
privately at that.

2931
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:52,300
This doesn't strike me as

2932
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:53,780
someone who is dealing with the

2933
01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:55,060
situation with the utmost

2934
01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:55,740
maturity,

2935
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:56,910
but a desperate attempt to

2936
01:14:56,910 --> 01:14:58,350
distract from the actual issues

2937
01:14:58,350 --> 01:14:59,880
and make yourself the victim.

2938
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,320
The fact that you are going

2939
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,890
about this route again, even

2940
01:15:02,890 --> 01:15:04,260
after I proved I wasn't lying

2941
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:06,600
the first time, is fucking deranged.

2942
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:07,870
Regarding your access to the

2943
01:15:07,870 --> 01:15:09,320
information about the incident

2944
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,220
regarding Chris,

2945
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:11,500
and your insistence that I was

2946
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:12,830
the one who directly discussed

2947
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:14,160
the information about Chris

2948
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,500
instead of your general access

2949
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:16,840
to said information seems to be

2950
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,520
misguided.

2951
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Do I have to tell you directly

2952
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,140
what to do with an employee

2953
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:21,370
incident of this scale for

2954
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:22,460
anything to happen?

2955
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,380
I shared the confirmation I had

2956
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:25,990
from both and that you had said

2957
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:26,820
information,

2958
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,270
which came off as indifference

2959
01:15:28,270 --> 01:15:29,320
based on what I felt,

2960
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,800
as well as your correspondence

2961
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,380
with DA Games alluding to such,

2962
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:34,030
as well as there being a public

2963
01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:35,500
safety report available,

2964
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,310
with public contact information

2965
01:15:37,310 --> 01:15:38,530
present for over a year

2966
01:15:38,530 --> 01:15:40,140
regarding the situation.

2967
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:41,540
So I don't understand how it's

2968
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:42,680
particularly relevant how you

2969
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,850
learned your employee sexually

2970
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:45,080
harassed someone in the past,

2971
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:45,790
it just matters that it

2972
01:15:45,790 --> 01:15:46,260
happened.

2973
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:47,520
Even assuming you didn't know

2974
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,830
about Chris's actions up to the

2975
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:49,760
Twitter exchange,

2976
01:15:50,060 --> 01:15:51,170
I still emailed you directly to

2977
01:15:51,170 --> 01:15:52,480
discuss it before it reached

2978
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,140
this point,

2979
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:54,510
and you seemed to ignore that

2980
01:15:54,510 --> 01:15:55,690
email and only responded to a

2981
01:15:55,690 --> 01:15:56,970
second after my frustration

2982
01:15:56,970 --> 01:15:57,940
became clearer.

2983
01:15:58,420 --> 01:15:59,500
To be frank, it doesn't matter

2984
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:00,860
how the perpetrator feels how

2985
01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:02,120
the resolution went,

2986
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,080
but the fact that it happened

2987
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:03,760
in the first place is

2988
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:04,420
unacceptable.

2989
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,230
Chris is, very obviously, going

2990
01:16:06,230 --> 01:16:07,650
to tell you whatever you need

2991
01:16:07,650 --> 01:16:09,040
to hear to keep his job.

2992
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,360
It's alright guys, the

2993
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,620
criminals said the crime

2994
01:16:11,620 --> 01:16:13,060
actually wasn't so bad after

2995
01:16:13,060 --> 01:16:13,440
all!

2996
01:16:13,780 --> 01:16:14,950
Hell, it doesn't even matter

2997
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:16,100
how I feel about it!

2998
01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:17,470
Still, if you were so concerned

2999
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:18,790
with my personal opinion on the

3000
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:19,280
matter,

3001
01:16:19,420 --> 01:16:20,340
to the point whether it would

3002
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:21,540
directly dictate your decision

3003
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:22,740
to keep Chris on staff or not,

3004
01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:24,220
I do not, for the life of me,

3005
01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:26,000
understand why you didn't reach

3006
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,600
out to me,

3007
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:27,990
directly or indirectly through

3008
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:28,700
our friends.

3009
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:30,080
Great job updating me on the

3010
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:31,400
current status of Chris's

3011
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,240
employment, even now by the way.

3012
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,040
Good job. 10 out of 10.

3013
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:37,300
Regardless, this isn't a joke,

3014
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:38,600
and your insistence as such is

3015
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,000
the underlying problem of this

3016
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,000
whole situation.

3017
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,550
How is it a fucking joke to say

3018
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:43,990
you ejaculated on your boss's

3019
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:45,770
clothing and say that to other

3020
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:47,300
men multiple times?

3021
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,360
It cannot and should not be belittled

3022
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,340
as just drama.

3023
01:16:50,620 --> 01:16:51,540
Why would I have gone through

3024
01:16:51,540 --> 01:16:52,820
the trouble of corresponding

3025
01:16:52,820 --> 01:16:53,900
with DA Games or having a

3026
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:54,960
safety report be written

3027
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,650
if I just thought it was just a

3028
01:16:56,650 --> 01:16:57,140
joke?

3029
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,640
I was and am worried about the

3030
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:59,870
children Chris and the greater

3031
01:16:59,870 --> 01:17:01,060
DA Games community still have

3032
01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:01,680
access to.

3033
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:02,910
Even if I had forgiven Chris

3034
01:17:02,910 --> 01:17:04,310
for some reason, it wouldn't be

3035
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:04,960
relevant.

3036
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,320
Even still, you seem to show

3037
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,550
anger that I got Chris's

3038
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:08,620
confession on record in

3039
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:09,940
comparison, you know,

3040
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:11,310
what he actually confessed to

3041
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:12,640
with your comment stating,

3042
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,010
Are you gonna record the call

3043
01:17:14,010 --> 01:17:15,490
without telling me the same way

3044
01:17:15,490 --> 01:17:16,360
you did Chris?

3045
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,850
To be clear, he is not the

3046
01:17:18,850 --> 01:17:20,660
victim. Full stop.

3047
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:22,140
Neither are you for that matter,

3048
01:17:22,140 --> 01:17:23,200
Mr. Truthseeker.

3049
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,190
Publicly throwing the actual

3050
01:17:25,190 --> 01:17:26,530
recipient under the bus and siding

3051
01:17:26,530 --> 01:17:27,600
with the sexual harasser

3052
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,170
just because he did not know he

3053
01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:30,870
was gonna be on record as a stager

3054
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:31,400
concern,

3055
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:32,960
on top of being incorrect about

3056
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,020
your information,

3057
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:35,090
is one of the most idiotic

3058
01:17:35,090 --> 01:17:36,440
parts of this whole ordeal.

3059
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:37,830
I felt it was very obvious that

3060
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:39,360
the intention was a recording

3061
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,460
for the public record,

3062
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,690
and a possible angle and

3063
01:17:41,690 --> 01:17:43,180
interpretation of him being

3064
01:17:43,180 --> 01:17:44,500
blindsided by a bad joke

3065
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:45,840
turned public because I want to

3066
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,100
be a bitch and cause problems

3067
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:48,210
is just insulting and

3068
01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:49,920
respectful on so many levels.

3069
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Or how you put it, publicly

3070
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,050
discussing half-truths against

3071
01:17:53,050 --> 01:17:54,960
sympathy and slander your name.

3072
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:56,440
Spoiler alert, this isn't about

3073
01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:56,800
you.

3074
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,260
Additionally, the fact that I

3075
01:17:58,260 --> 01:17:59,600
went out of my way to privately

3076
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,640
talk to you directly

3077
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,190
after several attempts to seek

3078
01:18:02,190 --> 01:18:03,380
resolution with the staff

3079
01:18:03,380 --> 01:18:04,310
and wanted to ask on the

3080
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:04,980
Twitter thread

3081
01:18:04,980 --> 01:18:06,160
and still did not receive a

3082
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:07,650
response until sending a second

3083
01:18:07,650 --> 01:18:09,040
email outlining my frustration

3084
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,040
is just ridiculous.

3085
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:12,020
I then even provided additional

3086
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,590
proof of racism and Nazi

3087
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:14,790
imagery that Chris and Will

3088
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:15,360
displayed.

3089
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,370
There are even incidents of lollicon

3090
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:18,780
slash child pornography.

3091
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,740
and sharing that material with

3092
01:18:20,740 --> 01:18:22,780
minors, allegedly accidentally

3093
01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:24,380
on the document I linked,

3094
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,110
as well as Will dating a minor

3095
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:27,400
in 2015.

3096
01:18:28,220 --> 01:18:29,330
If we only knew what SaberSpark

3097
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:30,960
thought about lollicon.

3098
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,380
Oh wait.

3099
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,520
As his following grew, Cal

3100
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,460
became very publicly outspoken

3101
01:18:36,460 --> 01:18:38,120
with his dislike of lollicon

3102
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,920
and similar taboo art styles.

3103
01:18:40,580 --> 01:18:41,830
For those who are not familiar

3104
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:43,130
with them, let's just say it's

3105
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:43,640
a...

3106
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,890
This additional document has

3107
01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:48,050
been publicly available for

3108
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:49,460
over two years!

3109
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,140
The DA Games community server

3110
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:52,750
has had pedophiles that were

3111
01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:54,410
quietly kicked out if slash

3112
01:18:54,410 --> 01:18:55,740
when discovered instead of

3113
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:56,760
publicly acknowledged.

3114
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,180
One has a motherfucking mugshot

3115
01:18:59,180 --> 01:19:00,520
on the document!

3116
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:01,900
Since this all seems to have

3117
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:03,230
gotten ignored until now, on

3118
01:19:03,230 --> 01:19:04,600
top of the safety report of the

3119
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,730
incident being publicly

3120
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:07,080
available for over a year,

3121
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,490
solidifies to me my original

3122
01:19:08,490 --> 01:19:09,820
assumption that you do only

3123
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:11,330
care when you have consequences

3124
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:12,660
for your lack of action.

3125
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:14,160
God forbid someone is a creep

3126
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,680
on my staff, just don't tell

3127
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,260
the public he works for me!

3128
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:18,690
Does it not seem like common

3129
01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:20,280
sense to fire someone who talks

3130
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:21,660
this way about others?

3131
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,510
Especially women, regardless of

3132
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:24,640
when it happened?

3133
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,080
In the interest of openness,

3134
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,940
though, I am open to do an on-the-record,

3135
01:19:27,940 --> 01:19:29,420
three-way conversation between

3136
01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:30,960
you, **** and myself,

3137
01:19:31,260 --> 01:19:32,090
to get to the truth of the

3138
01:19:32,090 --> 01:19:33,410
matter at a later time, but

3139
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:34,910
that will be at your discretion

3140
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:36,280
as his boss and at his comfort

3141
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:37,000
level.

3142
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:38,040
As I want to honor ****'s

3143
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,270
request and not be involved

3144
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:40,640
anymore and not emotionally to

3145
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:41,400
stress him.

3146
01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:42,420
But bluntly, I will not

3147
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:43,500
tolerate the consistent

3148
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:44,950
implications of untruthfulness

3149
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:46,020
until this happens.

3150
01:19:46,380 --> 01:19:47,140
**** can reach out in the

3151
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:48,470
future if he is interested and

3152
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:49,820
comfortable about a possible

3153
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:50,720
conversation.

3154
01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:52,820
Lastly, as I don't want to get

3155
01:19:52,820 --> 01:19:54,000
too personal, but it is

3156
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,330
absolutely laughable that you

3157
01:19:55,330 --> 01:19:56,930
consider your romantic interest

3158
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:57,140
in me

3159
01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:58,750
and our friendship ending as

3160
01:19:58,750 --> 01:20:00,280
mutually parting ways.

3161
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:02,860
Like, what **** planet are you

3162
01:20:02,860 --> 01:20:03,380
on?

3163
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:04,810
Is that how you summarize every

3164
01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:06,420
one of your failed courtships?

3165
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,610
Let me refresh you on the

3166
01:20:07,610 --> 01:20:08,400
experience.

3167
01:20:09,380 --> 01:20:10,090
After months of spending time

3168
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:11,960
together in person, and your

3169
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,390
insistence that we were just

3170
01:20:13,390 --> 01:20:14,080
friends,

3171
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:15,710
your goal seemingly was instead

3172
01:20:15,710 --> 01:20:17,110
to spend time with me and see

3173
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:18,510
if I would change my mind and

3174
01:20:18,510 --> 01:20:19,540
be open to a romantic

3175
01:20:19,540 --> 01:20:20,620
relationship.

3176
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:21,990
At that time, I felt like I

3177
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:23,420
finally had found a like-minded

3178
01:20:23,420 --> 01:20:24,660
content creator and friend

3179
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:25,960
close and distant to me.

3180
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:27,280
I think I even said something

3181
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,280
along the lines of,

3182
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:29,850
These feel like dates. I'm just

3183
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:30,970
making sure we're hanging out

3184
01:20:30,970 --> 01:20:31,880
as friends, right?

3185
01:20:32,380 --> 01:20:33,350
After you grew distance, I felt

3186
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:34,710
manipulated and pressured to

3187
01:20:34,710 --> 01:20:35,850
say I was open to dating in

3188
01:20:35,850 --> 01:20:36,830
order to not lose that

3189
01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:37,640
friendship.

3190
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,000
You then dated Gabe's sister

3191
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,410
over me and then asked about my

3192
01:20:40,410 --> 01:20:42,100
dating availability immediately

3193
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:43,120
after that ended.

3194
01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:44,270
I tried to play it off but was

3195
01:20:44,270 --> 01:20:45,530
uncomfortable with the whole

3196
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:46,200
situation.

3197
01:20:46,660 --> 01:20:47,580
I felt like I was only

3198
01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:49,370
important to you if I was dateable,

3199
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:50,700
and a backup option at that.

3200
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:51,830
Would I have been treated the

3201
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:52,860
same way as a new potential

3202
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:53,650
friend if I was male

3203
01:20:53,650 --> 01:20:54,360
identifying?

3204
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:55,500
This is the whole reason I went

3205
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:56,480
to your staff in the first

3206
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:57,720
place and not you directly.

3207
01:20:58,140 --> 01:20:59,080
I felt objectified by my direct

3208
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,510
experiences towards you and did

3209
01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:01,510
not wish to repeat said

3210
01:21:01,510 --> 01:21:02,820
experiences for the sake of my

3211
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,860
own mental health.

3212
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:05,030
But you implied you needed the

3213
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:05,820
clarification.

3214
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:07,240
So there you go, buddy.

3215
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,750
At this point, I feel exacerbated

3216
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:10,010
with the favor I've given you

3217
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:11,380
and others, personally and

3218
01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:12,280
professionally.

3219
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,150
So I'll be ending the

3220
01:21:13,150 --> 01:21:14,200
conversation here.

3221
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:15,600
To remind you, I am not a third

3222
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,090
party in this situation trying

3223
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:18,460
to get cheap or easy views off

3224
01:21:18,460 --> 01:21:20,020
a popular content creator.

3225
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,430
This is how Chris treated me

3226
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:22,400
behind my back.

3227
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:23,650
This is how he never owned up

3228
01:21:23,650 --> 01:21:24,950
to those actions till I had to

3229
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:26,380
find out about them myself.

3230
01:21:26,780 --> 01:21:27,760
This is how his behavior has

3231
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:28,520
continued.

3232
01:21:28,620 --> 01:21:29,770
This is how the greater DA

3233
01:21:29,770 --> 01:21:30,940
Games community could be

3234
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:32,740
potentially harmful to children.

3235
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,550
This is on top of Chris' misogynistic,

3236
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:35,960
anti-semitic behavior that I

3237
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,120
stupidly forced myself to

3238
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,800
tolerate when he worked for me.

3239
01:21:39,140 --> 01:21:40,040
And the fact that I have to sit

3240
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,220
here and fight and scream and

3241
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:42,380
kick for anyone to take this

3242
01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:43,680
seriously is so emotionally

3243
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:44,890
draining, triggering, and

3244
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:45,680
insulting.

3245
01:21:45,980 --> 01:21:46,980
This whole situation has been a

3246
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:48,310
nightmare, but I'm not going to

3247
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:49,590
sit here and let everyone else

3248
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:50,880
pretend it's just a joke out of

3249
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:51,840
public convenience.

3250
01:21:52,420 --> 01:21:53,320
And I would bet good money that

3251
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:54,840
he's still on your payroll.

3252
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,580
I'm at a loss for words.

3253
01:21:57,660 --> 01:21:58,640
Frankly, I do not have the

3254
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,050
patience or emotional bandwidth

3255
01:22:00,050 --> 01:22:01,240
for your tone, your constant

3256
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,490
visualization, or to discuss

3257
01:22:02,490 --> 01:22:03,630
this further with you at this

3258
01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:04,870
point, for your own perceived

3259
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:05,940
direct benefit.

3260
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,160
To be blunt, you triggered the

3261
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,280
shit out of me, Steven.

3262
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:09,510
And I still tried multiple

3263
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:11,060
times to communicate with you,

3264
01:22:11,060 --> 01:22:12,320
but ultimately was met with

3265
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,440
silence until now.

3266
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:14,820
You were screaming on Twitter

3267
01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:16,070
like a child at me for months

3268
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:17,430
after trying to get any kind of

3269
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:19,130
internal word on Chris, and the

3270
01:22:19,130 --> 01:22:20,650
information being in the public

3271
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:21,040
eye.

3272
01:22:21,260 --> 01:22:22,850
And you still haven't fucking

3273
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:24,560
apologized for any of it.

3274
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:25,930
How do you think this makes me

3275
01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:26,380
feel?

3276
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:27,760
On top of that, only then to

3277
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,170
even be taking it seriously

3278
01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:30,580
because I might make a video

3279
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:31,800
and hurt other people's

3280
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,400
reputation really shows me how

3281
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:34,740
being affected by all this

3282
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:36,260
really matters in the long run

3283
01:22:36,260 --> 01:22:36,980
to you.

3284
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:38,200
Sexual harassment?

3285
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:39,760
Use of Nazi imagery?

3286
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:40,580
Pedophilia?

3287
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,040
Fine to sweep it under the rug.

3288
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:43,040
Just don't bring it up on

3289
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:43,520
Twitter.

3290
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:45,900
Ramesses, you bring this upon

3291
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:46,960
yourself.

3292
01:22:47,540 --> 01:22:48,140
Part whatever.

3293
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:49,540
Chris isn't the victim.

3294
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,140
Chris isn't the victim.

3295
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:52,800
I can't believe I have to even

3296
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,080
have this segment, but with the

3297
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,490
implication of Steven's "what

3298
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:56,850
are you gonna do, record me?"

3299
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:57,980
comment on top of Chris's

3300
01:22:57,980 --> 01:22:59,130
statement talking about the

3301
01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:00,350
recording being without his

3302
01:23:00,350 --> 01:23:01,080
knowledge.

3303
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:02,280
Let's just clear this up.

3304
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:03,860
So firstly, as already stated,

3305
01:23:03,860 --> 01:23:05,270
I thought it was obvious that a

3306
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:06,730
call-up was being recorded for

3307
01:23:06,730 --> 01:23:08,090
safety reasons because it's

3308
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:09,580
about sexual harassment.

3309
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:11,460
It's not like a fun call.

3310
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:13,300
Like, I thought it was obvious.

3311
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:14,400
Obviously it wasn't.

3312
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:15,780
This isn't just someone calling

3313
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:16,800
me a bitch or something.

3314
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,820
Subliminally small.

3315
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,190
Like, this is someone using the

3316
01:23:19,190 --> 01:23:20,310
fact that I am a girl as a way

3317
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:21,570
to negatively sexualize me to

3318
01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:23,100
make themselves feel better?

3319
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:24,360
Should I have to say that's not

3320
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:24,760
okay?

3321
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:26,210
Additionally, this is someone I

3322
01:23:26,210 --> 01:23:27,550
trusted enough to represent me

3323
01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:28,440
at a convention.

3324
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:29,590
This isn't just some rando

3325
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:30,850
being a dick because he's mad

3326
01:23:30,850 --> 01:23:31,900
at me for existing on the

3327
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:32,620
internet.

3328
01:23:32,860 --> 01:23:33,720
I think that's why this sucks a

3329
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:34,480
little bit more.

3330
01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:35,300
Figures.

3331
01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:37,170
Because bitches love bringing

3332
01:23:37,170 --> 01:23:38,140
up old stuff.

3333
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,030
Something else to keep in mind

3334
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:44,230
is the loss of reputation,

3335
01:23:44,230 --> 01:23:45,740
which is hard to recover from.

3336
01:23:45,740 --> 01:23:46,770
How do the receivers of the

3337
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:48,040
story, knowing that it's false

3338
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,250
or not, going to feel about the

3339
01:23:49,250 --> 01:23:50,390
person who the story is being

3340
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:51,080
told about?

3341
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,060
I didn't know this was

3342
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:53,390
happening, and I can't defend

3343
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:54,700
myself or my reputation if I'm

3344
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:55,420
not there.

3345
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:56,440
If Will was a collaborator I

3346
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:57,600
was interested in working with

3347
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,400
at the time, he would

3348
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:59,390
definitely have negative

3349
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:00,550
feelings about working with me

3350
01:24:00,550 --> 01:24:00,900
now.

3351
01:24:01,100 --> 01:24:01,890
What happens if the story

3352
01:24:01,890 --> 01:24:02,830
spreads or even becomes

3353
01:24:02,830 --> 01:24:03,910
distorted through a game of

3354
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:05,240
telephone and changes depending

3355
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:06,040
on the teller?

3356
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,190
First impressions can last

3357
01:24:07,190 --> 01:24:08,500
months or even years, and will

3358
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:09,940
psychologically affect personal

3359
01:24:09,940 --> 01:24:11,040
treatment and ideals.

3360
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:12,330
Even the fact of contrary

3361
01:24:12,330 --> 01:24:12,960
evidence.

3362
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:13,640
See?

3363
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:14,800
The political landscape.

3364
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:15,870
This is not something Chris

3365
01:24:15,870 --> 01:24:16,780
came to me about after it

3366
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:17,420
happening.

3367
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,410
We seemingly had a decent

3368
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:19,560
rapport up to this point.

3369
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,660
Chris could have admitted this

3370
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:21,780
happened years ago, and I would

3371
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:22,970
have still been pissed, but at

3372
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:24,010
least he would have owned up to

3373
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:24,900
it and maybe made a public

3374
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:25,420
apology.

3375
01:24:25,620 --> 01:24:26,720
But instead, I had to hear it

3376
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,620
from a witness.

3377
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:29,120
It makes me feel like crap.

3378
01:24:29,260 --> 01:24:30,110
It makes me feel like my

3379
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:31,600
personal comfort, safety, and

3380
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:32,990
privacy is less important than

3381
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:34,540
convenience or the bro code.

3382
01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:35,620
At the same point, I want to

3383
01:24:35,620 --> 01:24:36,780
analyze the implications of

3384
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:37,620
mistreatment.

3385
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,230
Like, if Chris really felt this

3386
01:24:39,230 --> 01:24:40,590
way, I don't know why it didn't

3387
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:41,820
come up at that moment he was

3388
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:43,260
making those jokes, or after,

3389
01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:44,940
or even when I confronted him.

3390
01:24:45,140 --> 01:24:46,010
It came up on an apology

3391
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:47,720
statement as a vague reference.

3392
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:49,610
This is actual sexualized art,

3393
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:50,920
a sexualized story.

3394
01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:52,360
Buying me a Discord figure

3395
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,100
years ago.

3396
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:54,440
And he also made comments on my

3397
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:55,700
body when I did the ice bucket

3398
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:56,440
challenge.

3399
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:58,010
So, three sex things plus a

3400
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:59,640
potential romantic gesture.

3401
01:25:00,020 --> 01:25:00,890
Chris maybe have been bitter

3402
01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:02,190
because I didn't reciprocate

3403
01:25:02,190 --> 01:25:03,820
romantic feelings or something.

3404
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,440
Turns out, editing for free isn't

3405
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:06,870
a winning strategy for dating

3406
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:07,180
KP.

3407
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,420
And then, things got worse.

3408
01:25:15,420 --> 01:25:16,420
Hi, I'm Courtney.

3409
01:25:17,020 --> 01:25:18,400
You may know me as Pete, or Orchard,

3410
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,050
but honestly, call me what you

3411
01:25:20,050 --> 01:25:20,580
like.

3412
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:21,870
KP reached out to me a few

3413
01:25:21,870 --> 01:25:23,480
weeks ago, asking me to cover

3414
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:25,250
the Gabe story in more detail,

3415
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:26,820
as she was busy working on this

3416
01:25:26,820 --> 01:25:28,510
video here, and I unfortunately

3417
01:25:28,510 --> 01:25:29,980
have a fair share of experience

3418
01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:31,180
with recognizing online

3419
01:25:31,180 --> 01:25:32,880
grooming, and am pretty unashamed

3420
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,380
in speaking out loudly against

3421
01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:34,780
it.

3422
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,660
Gabriel C. Brown, also known as

3423
01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:38,390
Black Griffin Online, has had

3424
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:39,330
growing speculations and

3425
01:25:39,330 --> 01:25:40,450
concerns regarding his

3426
01:25:40,450 --> 01:25:41,910
relationship with his now wife

3427
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:43,240
and voice actress of Sweetie

3428
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,620
Belle on My Little Pony.

3429
01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:46,290
From most accounts, it looks as

3430
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:47,660
if Gabe had groomed his now

3431
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:49,350
wife from the time she was 14

3432
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:50,950
until she pursued him herself

3433
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:52,220
at the age of 20.

3434
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:53,340
After their announced

3435
01:25:53,340 --> 01:25:54,680
engagement and subsequent

3436
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,190
marriage, Gabe faced growing

3437
01:25:56,190 --> 01:25:57,830
accusations online of grooming

3438
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:58,500
his wife.

3439
01:25:58,860 --> 01:26:00,290
He dismissed the accusations,

3440
01:26:00,290 --> 01:26:01,650
under the guise that he had not

3441
01:26:01,650 --> 01:26:03,260
known her prior to her being 20,

3442
01:26:03,260 --> 01:26:04,600
and any interactions they did

3443
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:05,930
have while she was a minor were

3444
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:07,270
strictly professional and in

3445
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:08,720
convention spaces only.

3446
01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:10,100
A Google document has since

3447
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:11,780
been created compiling evidence

3448
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:13,190
from Gabe and his wife's own

3449
01:26:13,190 --> 01:26:14,660
Twitter and YouTube accounts

3450
01:26:14,660 --> 01:26:16,220
proving these dismissals to be

3451
01:26:16,220 --> 01:26:17,570
false, as well as proving

3452
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:18,980
multiple other instances of

3453
01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:20,480
Gabe showcasing problematic

3454
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:21,220
behavior.

3455
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:22,540
I've covered the topic in a

3456
01:26:22,540 --> 01:26:24,220
little more depth in an hour-long

3457
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:25,840
video on my channel, which will

3458
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,100
no doubt be linked in the

3459
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:28,320
description below.

3460
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,610
Anyway, I'm sprinkled

3461
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:31,090
throughout this video a few

3462
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:32,620
times, so I shall see you all

3463
01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:33,880
in my next segment.

3464
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,250
I became a fan of Saber Spark

3465
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:40,780
when I was in high school when

3466
01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:44,610
I found his essay titled Ballad

3467
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:48,740
of the Brony in 2011.

3468
01:26:49,260 --> 01:26:50,990
After graduating and turning 18,

3469
01:26:50,990 --> 01:26:52,460
I added him on Skype to tell

3470
01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:54,080
him I was a big fan of his.

3471
01:26:54,260 --> 01:26:55,350
He added me back almost

3472
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:56,480
instantly, and we had a

3473
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:57,930
conversation ending with him

3474
01:26:57,930 --> 01:26:59,310
giving me his phone number,

3475
01:26:59,310 --> 01:27:00,680
which was a really big deal to

3476
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:01,990
me at the time since this was

3477
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:03,550
the first time interacting with

3478
01:27:03,550 --> 01:27:04,960
any sort of celebrity.

3479
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:06,520
I had developed a parasocial

3480
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,580
crush on him due to being starstruck,

3481
01:27:08,580 --> 01:27:10,020
which was something he was

3482
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:10,780
aware of.

3483
01:27:10,940 --> 01:27:12,190
We would talk on Skype and text

3484
01:27:12,190 --> 01:27:13,500
each other semi-frequently

3485
01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:14,780
leading up to the first time

3486
01:27:14,780 --> 01:27:15,620
meeting him.

3487
01:27:15,820 --> 01:27:17,440
In 2012, I went to my first

3488
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:18,400
pony convention.

3489
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,780
This was my first time ever

3490
01:27:19,780 --> 01:27:21,280
traveling by myself and was

3491
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:22,840
soon after the two of us became

3492
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:23,540
friends.

3493
01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:24,720
When I met up with him in

3494
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,210
person, he invited me to his

3495
01:27:26,210 --> 01:27:27,770
hotel room and he showed me the

3496
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:29,130
video he was editing on his

3497
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:30,320
laptop, causing me to

3498
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:31,720
internally geek out.

3499
01:27:32,140 --> 01:27:33,180
I was really nervous being

3500
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:34,820
alone in a hotel with someone I

3501
01:27:34,820 --> 01:27:36,130
was a huge fan of and had a

3502
01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:37,700
crush on, but I tried to play

3503
01:27:37,700 --> 01:27:38,460
it cool.

3504
01:27:38,460 --> 01:27:39,890
He was four to five years older

3505
01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:41,250
than me, making me feel more

3506
01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:42,660
nervous and out of place.

3507
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,230
He would bring up the prospects

3508
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:45,670
of the two of us dating and how

3509
01:27:45,670 --> 01:27:47,120
it didn't feel right for us to

3510
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:47,640
do so.

3511
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:48,910
After that, he almost

3512
01:27:48,910 --> 01:27:50,710
immediately initiated making

3513
01:27:50,710 --> 01:27:52,120
out with me and guided me to

3514
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:52,820
his bed.

3515
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:54,280
In this moment, he did not

3516
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,100
directly ask me for consent.

3517
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,570
I was thrown onto his bed and

3518
01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:59,540
he would insert himself into me.

3519
01:27:59,740 --> 01:28:00,770
Saber Spark was also

3520
01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:02,420
significantly larger than me,

3521
01:28:02,420 --> 01:28:04,250
as I was an 80-something pound

3522
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:05,690
18-year-old girl, so I

3523
01:28:05,690 --> 01:28:07,520
physically could not stop him.

3524
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,020
I felt extremely nervous and

3525
01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:10,540
uncomfortable because I had

3526
01:28:10,540 --> 01:28:12,120
never experienced having any

3527
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:13,620
sort of sexual intimacy with

3528
01:28:13,620 --> 01:28:15,610
someone I was not dating before,

3529
01:28:15,610 --> 01:28:17,140
much less someone I just met.

3530
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:18,340
I was very new to meeting

3531
01:28:18,340 --> 01:28:19,920
people online in general.

3532
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,300
At that moment, I laid there

3533
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:22,600
dissociating as I felt very

3534
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,270
wrong while trying to rationalize

3535
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:25,400
it in my head to convince

3536
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,880
myself it was a safe and normal

3537
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:27,700
encounter.

3538
01:28:27,940 --> 01:28:29,220
He rushed off to clean and

3539
01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:30,800
finish himself and came back to

3540
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,650
the bed and offered me a handshake,

3541
01:28:32,650 --> 01:28:33,220
saying,

3542
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:34,740
Friends, this would cause me,

3543
01:28:34,740 --> 01:28:36,100
for the rest of the event, to

3544
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:37,560
feel that I was taken advantage

3545
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,880
of and ashamed of myself for

3546
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:39,880
not trying to stop the

3547
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:40,820
interaction.

3548
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:42,530
Though I tried pretending I was

3549
01:28:42,530 --> 01:28:44,170
fine to everyone around me, I

3550
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:45,820
was and still am demisexual,

3551
01:28:45,820 --> 01:28:47,470
and being put in that position

3552
01:28:47,470 --> 01:28:49,240
was not something I wanted.

3553
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:50,600
I maintained the friendship

3554
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:51,840
until a second occurrence

3555
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,110
happening at a completely

3556
01:28:53,110 --> 01:28:55,060
different PonyCon in 2013.

3557
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,080
This time we met in a public

3558
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,670
space, but had no one around

3559
01:28:58,670 --> 01:29:00,140
and talked for a while.

3560
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:01,400
He kept bringing out the

3561
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:02,780
prospects of us starting a

3562
01:29:02,780 --> 01:29:04,460
relationship, but how it felt

3563
01:29:04,460 --> 01:29:05,000
wrong.

3564
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:06,610
He would grab my hand, saying

3565
01:29:06,610 --> 01:29:08,240
how it felt so right, only to

3566
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,880
push my hand away, saying, but

3567
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:10,600
so wrong.

3568
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,140
I had decided that my crush on

3569
01:29:12,140 --> 01:29:13,690
him was something I needed to

3570
01:29:13,690 --> 01:29:15,360
get over because I felt that my

3571
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,300
emotions were being toyed with.

3572
01:29:17,460 --> 01:29:18,850
He then suggested going to a

3573
01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:20,640
more public space around others,

3574
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,110
and we went into the elevator

3575
01:29:22,110 --> 01:29:23,770
to go up to the lobby of the PonyCon

3576
01:29:23,770 --> 01:29:24,380
Hotel.

3577
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:26,240
As soon as the door closed, Saber

3578
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:27,570
Spark forcefully shoved me

3579
01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:29,200
against the wall and shoved his

3580
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,660
tongue down my throat.

3581
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,770
It scared me and actually hurt,

3582
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:34,780
triggering another attack of

3583
01:29:34,780 --> 01:29:36,000
dissociation.

3584
01:29:36,260 --> 01:29:37,400
Once again, he did not ask for

3585
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:38,790
consent when throwing me into

3586
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:39,740
this situation.

3587
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:41,230
Once the doors opened and

3588
01:29:41,230 --> 01:29:42,950
people were present, this led

3589
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:44,640
me to feel very embarrassed.

3590
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:46,990
He got off me and took my hand

3591
01:29:46,990 --> 01:29:48,460
and guided me towards the

3592
01:29:48,460 --> 01:29:50,240
stairs to go back down to where

3593
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:51,820
we just were and into a men's

3594
01:29:51,820 --> 01:29:53,500
restroom where he pulled his

3595
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:55,250
pants down and guided my hands

3596
01:29:55,250 --> 01:29:57,000
and head to perform oral sex on

3597
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:57,460
him.

3598
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:58,900
I was afraid of denying him

3599
01:29:58,900 --> 01:30:00,250
because of past experiences

3600
01:30:00,250 --> 01:30:01,660
with sexual assault, so I did

3601
01:30:01,660 --> 01:30:03,020
it to get it over with without

3602
01:30:03,020 --> 01:30:04,540
wanting to cause a problem.

3603
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,150
Where he would ejaculate on my

3604
01:30:06,150 --> 01:30:08,020
face, apologize profusely, and

3605
01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:09,830
then offer the same handshake,

3606
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:10,780
as he did at the con I

3607
01:30:10,780 --> 01:30:12,540
initially met him, saying,

3608
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:13,080
Friends?

3609
01:30:13,580 --> 01:30:14,860
Despite pretending I was fine,

3610
01:30:14,860 --> 01:30:16,570
I had slowly begun pulling away

3611
01:30:16,570 --> 01:30:17,780
from Saber Spark.

3612
01:30:17,780 --> 01:30:19,040
I cried that night while

3613
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,250
staying with a friend but

3614
01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:21,760
waited for that friend to fall

3615
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,190
asleep so no one could hear me

3616
01:30:23,190 --> 01:30:24,740
and I would cry for months,

3617
01:30:24,740 --> 01:30:26,300
feeling ashamed of myself for

3618
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:27,900
putting myself in a compromising

3619
01:30:27,900 --> 01:30:29,620
situation with someone I hardly

3620
01:30:29,620 --> 01:30:29,980
knew.

3621
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:31,150
I had always felt taken

3622
01:30:31,150 --> 01:30:32,560
advantage of by him and tried

3623
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,130
being friendly and pretending

3624
01:30:34,130 --> 01:30:35,580
nothing was wrong because it

3625
01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:36,860
was all I knew how to do.

3626
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,350
I would blame myself for the

3627
01:30:38,350 --> 01:30:39,990
interactions for years, only

3628
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:41,270
opening up to a few close

3629
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:43,070
people, questioning if consent

3630
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:45,060
was implied because of my crush.

3631
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,660
An unwillingness and fear to

3632
01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:48,050
outright stop the advances

3633
01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:49,560
because of how uncomfortable I

3634
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:50,040
felt.

3635
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,420
I understand that there is a

3636
01:30:51,420 --> 01:30:52,680
possibility that he felt

3637
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,240
consent was implied because he

3638
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,640
knew I had a crush on him.

3639
01:30:55,740 --> 01:30:57,310
However, he did not once ask

3640
01:30:57,310 --> 01:30:58,850
for consent directly and was

3641
01:30:58,850 --> 01:31:00,340
instead thrown into these

3642
01:31:00,340 --> 01:31:02,300
sexual encounters, usually very

3643
01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:03,160
suddenly.

3644
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,990
There were no discussions about

3645
01:31:04,990 --> 01:31:06,740
the power dynamic between us as

3646
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:08,460
a popular content creator and a

3647
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:09,580
fan at any time.

3648
01:31:09,820 --> 01:31:10,750
I was also a fan of the power

3649
01:31:10,750 --> 01:31:12,100
dynamic between us and my parasocial

3650
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:13,010
connection to him and not

3651
01:31:13,010 --> 01:31:14,110
wanting someone I was a fan of

3652
01:31:14,110 --> 01:31:15,050
to hate me if I rejected him,

3653
01:31:15,050 --> 01:31:16,090
leaving me afraid to stop his

3654
01:31:16,090 --> 01:31:16,860
advances.

3655
01:31:16,860 --> 01:31:18,540
Over time I grew increasingly

3656
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:20,210
distant and would eventually

3657
01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:21,820
end contact completely.

3658
01:31:21,820 --> 01:31:23,220
I don't feel safe enough to

3659
01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:24,690
fully come forward because I

3660
01:31:24,690 --> 01:31:26,320
don't want his fans and friends

3661
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:27,500
or even him to harass or

3662
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:28,860
contact me publicly.

3663
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:31,110
I wish to stay anonymous so I

3664
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:32,880
can avoid the anxiety and

3665
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,990
stress of being targeted by

3666
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:37,350
either him, his friends, and

3667
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:39,360
especially his fans.

3668
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:40,990
As Saber Spark has over 2

3669
01:31:40,990 --> 01:31:42,910
million subscribers and even

3670
01:31:42,910 --> 01:31:44,640
sharing my story at all has me

3671
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,400
feeling really afraid.

3672
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,040
I have seen other instances of

3673
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,760
Saber Spark using his enormous

3674
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,360
platform to confront people

3675
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,360
online he has had conflict with.

3676
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,060
I have also witnessed several

3677
01:31:55,060 --> 01:31:56,490
instances of his friends

3678
01:31:56,490 --> 01:31:58,270
attempting to justify him and

3679
01:31:58,270 --> 01:31:59,360
others actions.

3680
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:00,750
I was not made aware of his

3681
01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:02,280
jokes about consent and his

3682
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,150
recent behavior involving Chris

3683
01:32:04,150 --> 01:32:05,690
until only recently and had

3684
01:32:05,690 --> 01:32:07,360
left my stomach in knots.

3685
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,320
I please ask above all else for

3686
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,360
my privacy to be respected.

3687
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:12,980
I don't wish to publicly defend

3688
01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:14,660
my personal experience and just

3689
01:32:14,660 --> 01:32:16,360
wish to share my experience.

3690
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:17,930
So welcome to the video where

3691
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:19,550
we break this down a little bit

3692
01:32:19,550 --> 01:32:20,990
more and talk about what is

3693
01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:22,970
consent because yeah it's an

3694
01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:24,360
important discussion here.

3695
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,680
So because this is a really

3696
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,310
serious conversation and I know

3697
01:32:27,310 --> 01:32:28,750
almost nothing about sexual

3698
01:32:28,750 --> 01:32:31,340
assault, I invited Courtney

3699
01:32:31,340 --> 01:32:32,360
again.

3700
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,030
She's all over this video to

3701
01:32:34,030 --> 01:32:35,930
talk about like what is consent

3702
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:37,830
and when's consent is there and

3703
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:39,360
when it's not there.

3704
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,360
We're having a great time here

3705
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,120
at the worst video ever and

3706
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,960
just kind of break it down so

3707
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,050
we have a better understanding

3708
01:32:47,050 --> 01:32:49,210
and all you nerds out there don't

3709
01:32:49,210 --> 01:32:51,300
do something really really bad

3710
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:52,360
like this.

3711
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,190
Don't do it guys. Don't. Don't

3712
01:32:55,190 --> 01:32:56,360
do it.

3713
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,770
Hi again Courtney. Welcome. You'll

3714
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:00,470
be in the video everywhere at

3715
01:33:00,470 --> 01:33:01,360
this point.

3716
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,930
Hello everybody. It is I. I

3717
01:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,130
have returned once again. So

3718
01:33:07,130 --> 01:33:08,360
happy to be here.

3719
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,930
So I've shown you the testimony

3720
01:33:10,930 --> 01:33:13,680
at this point. What what are

3721
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,530
your general vibes on it

3722
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:18,200
besides icky and sad and I don't

3723
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,730
know this is just like super

3724
01:33:20,730 --> 01:33:23,110
triggering to me because yeah

3725
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:25,660
so I thought I'd also bring you

3726
01:33:25,660 --> 01:33:28,000
in there bring you in here to

3727
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,360
hold my hand during this but

3728
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:31,360
yeah.

3729
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,000
In terms of the testimony it's

3730
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,930
just it's just kind of

3731
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:38,760
heartbreaking really. It's just

3732
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,140
it's always heartbreaking to me

3733
01:33:40,140 --> 01:33:41,460
when people question their own

3734
01:33:41,460 --> 01:33:42,790
sexual assault just because of

3735
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:44,360
the lack of education around it.

3736
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,360
And like something that I just

3737
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,270
want to say to anybody out

3738
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:51,830
there is a consensual sexual

3739
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:54,540
encounter is never something

3740
01:33:54,540 --> 01:33:56,790
you're going to question

3741
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:58,360
afterwards.

3742
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,640
Okay. Like you just don't

3743
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,360
question a consensual encounter.

3744
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,980
Sure. You may have a consensual

3745
01:34:05,980 --> 01:34:08,490
encounter that's unsatisfying.

3746
01:34:08,490 --> 01:34:09,880
You may have one that you you

3747
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,520
know regret that might you may

3748
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,090
look back on one and go you

3749
01:34:13,090 --> 01:34:14,150
know if I can make that

3750
01:34:14,150 --> 01:34:15,520
decision again I probably

3751
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:16,360
wouldn't.

3752
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:20,220
But people don't question consensual

3753
01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:23,250
sexual experiences with did I

3754
01:34:23,250 --> 01:34:26,320
just get violated to be quite

3755
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:27,360
honest.

3756
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,380
And like the other thing that

3757
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:31,160
kind of breaks my heart is

3758
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,840
there's one point in her

3759
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,300
testimony where where she

3760
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:37,000
questions if if I'm remembering

3761
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,220
this correctly that like maybe

3762
01:34:39,220 --> 01:34:41,310
she was at fault because she

3763
01:34:41,310 --> 01:34:43,080
had a crush on him like maybe

3764
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,040
she gave the wrong signal or

3765
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,360
something.

3766
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,790
Maybe she implied something or

3767
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:51,230
he thought consent was implied

3768
01:34:51,230 --> 01:34:53,280
because he knew there was a

3769
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,040
crush on her like in all

3770
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,290
honesty the consent is never

3771
01:34:57,290 --> 01:34:59,620
implied like even even secure

3772
01:34:59,620 --> 01:35:01,760
confident individuals in a

3773
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,180
sexual encounter will check in

3774
01:35:04,180 --> 01:35:06,480
with their partner as things

3775
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,760
escalate and change gears and

3776
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,900
they'll say things like you

3777
01:35:10,900 --> 01:35:12,940
know are you okay should we

3778
01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,360
keep going is this good.

3779
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,910
Like because consent is not

3780
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:20,590
something that is implied. It's

3781
01:35:20,590 --> 01:35:22,370
never something that's implied.

3782
01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:25,250
It's it's not you know an

3783
01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:28,570
absence of a no is not a yes in

3784
01:35:28,570 --> 01:35:31,470
any regard an absence of

3785
01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:35,090
resistance is not compliance

3786
01:35:35,090 --> 01:35:37,910
and even in that regard

3787
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:42,360
compliance is not an invitation.

3788
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,580
because this girl had a crush

3789
01:35:44,580 --> 01:35:46,600
on saber it was okay that he

3790
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,460
just kind of initiated

3791
01:35:48,460 --> 01:35:50,970
things and then especially too

3792
01:35:50,970 --> 01:35:53,080
in the elevator in a public

3793
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,330
space when he's just much

3794
01:35:55,330 --> 01:35:56,800
larger than her

3795
01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,220
like physically i don't know it's

3796
01:35:59,220 --> 01:36:01,170
it's all icky but like what

3797
01:36:01,170 --> 01:36:03,320
what would you define consent

3798
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:03,840
as and

3799
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,100
when would you define like

3800
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,490
obviously this isn't it for

3801
01:36:08,490 --> 01:36:10,980
sure but go ahead and in terms

3802
01:36:10,980 --> 01:36:11,820
of like a

3803
01:36:11,820 --> 01:36:14,600
definition of consent and what

3804
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,720
it is and what it isn't um

3805
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:18,960
consent is an excited yes

3806
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,000
consent is

3807
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,090
exuberant um what's the word i'm

3808
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:26,060
looking for um payback for lack

3809
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:28,780
of a better term i guess like

3810
01:36:28,780 --> 01:36:31,230
two people in a consensual

3811
01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:33,950
encounter engage in a give and

3812
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:36,410
take like it's never just one

3813
01:36:36,410 --> 01:36:37,600
person doing

3814
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,910
all of the action and the other

3815
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:42,210
person just laying there like

3816
01:36:42,210 --> 01:36:44,240
like a bump on a log you know

3817
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:44,880
it's an

3818
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,550
action that two people engage

3819
01:36:47,550 --> 01:36:50,220
in when it's consensual um nine

3820
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:52,890
times out of ten when it's one

3821
01:36:52,890 --> 01:36:53,900
person just

3822
01:36:53,900 --> 01:36:56,750
using another person's body for

3823
01:36:56,750 --> 01:36:59,650
sexual gratification that's not

3824
01:36:59,650 --> 01:37:02,240
a consensual encounter that is

3825
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:02,880
just a

3826
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,560
violation of somebody's person

3827
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,770
and it's actually pretty common

3828
01:37:09,770 --> 01:37:12,820
for like sexual aggressors to

3829
01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:13,460
attack

3830
01:37:13,460 --> 01:37:15,750
somebody like in a in a innocuous

3831
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:17,320
sort of sense like in the

3832
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,380
elevator especially at like a

3833
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:20,340
convention

3834
01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:22,680
or something like that in

3835
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,360
public because it sort of um

3836
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,090
dissuades the the the target or

3837
01:37:28,090 --> 01:37:29,500
the victim from

3838
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:31,630
actually saying anything

3839
01:37:31,630 --> 01:37:33,100
because like half the time

3840
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:35,020
people will think well this is

3841
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,340
being done in public

3842
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:38,130
surely somebody's gonna say

3843
01:37:38,130 --> 01:37:39,910
something so i don't have to

3844
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:41,400
but the other part of them

3845
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,460
doesn't want to

3846
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:43,370
cause a scene and be

3847
01:37:43,370 --> 01:37:44,880
embarrassed because they're

3848
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,380
already embarrassed by the fact

3849
01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:47,400
that they're being

3850
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,140
attacked the fact that pda in

3851
01:37:49,140 --> 01:37:50,880
general is seen as like a sort

3852
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,860
of cringy embarrassing thing

3853
01:37:52,860 --> 01:37:53,820
and like

3854
01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:55,310
they don't want to draw more

3855
01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:56,990
attention to themselves

3856
01:37:56,990 --> 01:37:58,100
especially while they're

3857
01:37:58,100 --> 01:37:59,500
dealing with the fact that

3858
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:01,450
they're being attacked and part

3859
01:38:01,450 --> 01:38:02,820
of them just hopes that

3860
01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:04,320
somebody's going to do it

3861
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:05,920
anyway like like step

3862
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,920
in and say something anyway and

3863
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:09,590
the problem with with the

3864
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:11,610
public general public is they

3865
01:38:11,610 --> 01:38:12,620
sort of fall into

3866
01:38:12,620 --> 01:38:14,310
the someone else will deal with

3867
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:16,080
it mentality whereas everybody

3868
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,720
sort of assumes that somebody

3869
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:18,540
else is going

3870
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:20,460
to step in and say something so

3871
01:38:20,460 --> 01:38:22,190
they therefore then won't well

3872
01:38:22,190 --> 01:38:24,750
the other thing i wanted to

3873
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:26,320
throw in there too

3874
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,160
is um nothing that's illegal

3875
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:29,880
but kind of the parasocial

3876
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:31,790
relationship of like you know

3877
01:38:31,790 --> 01:38:33,980
it's always it seems

3878
01:38:33,980 --> 01:38:35,480
like it's a common thing where

3879
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:36,860
like you know back in the day

3880
01:38:36,860 --> 01:38:38,240
rock stars would sleep with

3881
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:39,420
their groupies kind of

3882
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:41,670
thing but now it's kind of more

3883
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:43,730
disgust that that's a power

3884
01:38:43,730 --> 01:38:46,080
dynamic that shouldn't really

3885
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,100
be abused and

3886
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:48,720
especially when you don't

3887
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,590
really know someone in person

3888
01:38:50,590 --> 01:38:52,080
you know like um from the

3889
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:53,480
testimony this is her

3890
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:55,720
first time in person with saber

3891
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,700
and he immediately jumps not

3892
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:59,900
immediately but he pretty much

3893
01:38:59,900 --> 01:39:01,280
immediately jumps

3894
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,380
on her so that also kind of

3895
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:05,780
gave me a big ick any thoughts

3896
01:39:05,780 --> 01:39:08,080
on that and one other thing i

3897
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,400
wanted to add in

3898
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,060
is that you know confident

3899
01:39:12,060 --> 01:39:13,810
individuals in a sexual

3900
01:39:13,810 --> 01:39:16,540
encounter don't have to assume

3901
01:39:16,540 --> 01:39:18,220
that consent is there

3902
01:39:18,220 --> 01:39:20,980
because they will ask and to be

3903
01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:23,840
honest the only time you're not

3904
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,820
asking or checking for consent

3905
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:27,940
is because

3906
01:39:27,940 --> 01:39:30,770
you know yourself that the yes

3907
01:39:30,770 --> 01:39:33,590
is not there and you don't want

3908
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:36,190
to hear the no so you will not

3909
01:39:36,190 --> 01:39:37,400
ask okay

3910
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,420
because if you think consent is

3911
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:41,120
complied and you think the

3912
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:42,970
person that is you know on the

3913
01:39:42,970 --> 01:39:43,720
other end

3914
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:45,900
of it is actively participating

3915
01:39:45,900 --> 01:39:48,270
if you know the answer is going

3916
01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:50,350
to be yes then what do you have

3917
01:39:50,350 --> 01:39:50,680
to

3918
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,060
lose by just asking and being a

3919
01:39:53,060 --> 01:39:55,030
responsible individual when it

3920
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:57,730
comes to sexual practice and

3921
01:39:57,730 --> 01:39:58,720
just asking

3922
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,340
and the difference between like

3923
01:40:01,340 --> 01:40:04,710
rock stars sleeping with groupies

3924
01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:07,270
comes down to like literally

3925
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:08,100
consent

3926
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,250
like there's a big difference

3927
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:12,580
between you know the chick who's

3928
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:14,380
going to see the rock star

3929
01:40:14,380 --> 01:40:15,360
perform and

3930
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,250
like flashing her titties while

3931
01:40:17,250 --> 01:40:19,080
he's performing and then going

3932
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:20,890
and flashing her titties to the

3933
01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:21,660
bouncer to

3934
01:40:21,660 --> 01:40:23,410
get backstage and then flashing

3935
01:40:23,410 --> 01:40:24,850
her titties in the rock star's

3936
01:40:24,850 --> 01:40:26,310
face probably making out with

3937
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:27,320
them a bit of her own

3938
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,140
volition and one of them saying

3939
01:40:29,140 --> 01:40:30,820
hey let's go back and sleep in

3940
01:40:30,820 --> 01:40:32,640
the van like there are multiple

3941
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:33,340
instances

3942
01:40:33,340 --> 01:40:35,000
where consent is very very

3943
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,810
clearly given by the groupie

3944
01:40:36,810 --> 01:40:38,830
sleeping with a rock star and

3945
01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:39,500
like yeah there

3946
01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:41,740
may be a certain power dynamic

3947
01:40:41,740 --> 01:40:43,490
and like there absolutely is

3948
01:40:43,490 --> 01:40:45,310
multiple instances of rock

3949
01:40:45,310 --> 01:40:45,680
stars

3950
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,000
abusing that to be like hey

3951
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:48,380
well i'm famous show me your

3952
01:40:48,380 --> 01:40:49,640
titties but there's a big

3953
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,000
difference between going

3954
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,370
hey i'm famous show me your

3955
01:40:52,370 --> 01:40:54,050
titties and someone going i'm

3956
01:40:54,050 --> 01:40:55,560
showing you my titties because

3957
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:56,420
i want to sleep

3958
01:40:56,420 --> 01:40:58,820
with you right like just just

3959
01:40:58,820 --> 01:41:00,920
the act of like basically

3960
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,420
showing you my titties is in in

3961
01:41:03,420 --> 01:41:04,480
most circumstances

3962
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:07,290
an invitation to touch my body

3963
01:41:07,290 --> 01:41:09,620
okay in no way is i'm a big fan

3964
01:41:09,620 --> 01:41:12,420
of yours an invitation to touch

3965
01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:14,020
somebody's body

3966
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:15,830
and i also find it really

3967
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:17,920
really weird that this dude

3968
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,400
meets a fan gets the inkling

3969
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,320
she has a crush on him

3970
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,530
so he invites her back to his

3971
01:41:24,530 --> 01:41:26,960
hotel room okay like getting

3972
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,970
invited back to the hotel room

3973
01:41:28,970 --> 01:41:30,720
has sexual connotations

3974
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,690
and the fact that she didn't

3975
01:41:32,690 --> 01:41:34,670
realize that just shows how

3976
01:41:34,670 --> 01:41:36,820
naive she was and the fact that

3977
01:41:36,820 --> 01:41:38,060
none of that was

3978
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:40,850
communicated because clearly he

3979
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:42,590
knew what he was inviting her

3980
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:45,200
back to the hotel room for but

3981
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:46,200
she didn't

3982
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,150
and that just gives me like

3983
01:41:48,150 --> 01:41:50,360
major the major ick to be quite

3984
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:51,840
honest because like

3985
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,730
it's really as if saber is

3986
01:41:53,730 --> 01:41:55,980
acting like he's gene simmons

3987
01:41:55,980 --> 01:41:58,140
inviting you back to you know

3988
01:41:58,140 --> 01:41:59,540
the the hotel room

3989
01:41:59,540 --> 01:42:03,270
when in reality he's a pudgy brony

3990
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:06,390
youtuber showing you his his

3991
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:09,770
animations before he shows you

3992
01:42:09,770 --> 01:42:10,820
his dick

3993
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:12,640
like that's not the same thing

3994
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:13,060
at all

3995
01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:14,790
like you think there is some

3996
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:16,370
kind of weird parasocial

3997
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:17,960
dynamic too that she felt

3998
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:19,020
uncomfortable

3999
01:42:19,020 --> 01:42:21,020
you know advocating for herself

4000
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:22,580
because like oh this is the

4001
01:42:22,580 --> 01:42:24,380
real saber spark tm like i don't

4002
01:42:24,380 --> 01:42:25,500
want to feel like

4003
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:27,880
you know he might say something

4004
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,960
on twitter you know blast me

4005
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,520
publicly like is there pressure

4006
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:33,080
just

4007
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:34,470
generally speaking when

4008
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:36,260
celebrities you know have those

4009
01:42:36,260 --> 01:42:37,900
kind of encounters with fans i

4010
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:38,340
guess

4011
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:39,780
of course she would have felt

4012
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:41,360
uncomfortable advocating for

4013
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:42,080
herself like

4014
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,940
most most fans don't get to

4015
01:42:43,940 --> 01:42:45,900
meet their idol in person so

4016
01:42:45,900 --> 01:42:48,030
meeting your idol in person is

4017
01:42:48,030 --> 01:42:49,180
already a very

4018
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:50,740
um like exalted sort of status

4019
01:42:50,740 --> 01:42:52,470
like that's something most fans

4020
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:54,150
dream of but never actually get

4021
01:42:54,150 --> 01:42:54,340
to

4022
01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:55,510
so once you put a fan in the

4023
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:57,080
situation where they're meeting

4024
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:58,600
their idol in person something

4025
01:42:58,600 --> 01:42:59,750
they dream probably never

4026
01:42:59,750 --> 01:43:01,150
thought would happen but always

4027
01:43:01,150 --> 01:43:02,160
dreamed would happen

4028
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,860
no fan is going to do something

4029
01:43:03,860 --> 01:43:05,500
that's going to jeopardize that

4030
01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:07,340
and that includes offending

4031
01:43:07,340 --> 01:43:08,180
their idol

4032
01:43:08,180 --> 01:43:10,420
and like it's it the idol knows

4033
01:43:10,420 --> 01:43:12,320
that and for like say like

4034
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,300
anybody to sit there and be

4035
01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:15,060
like well

4036
01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:16,430
you know what if what if so and

4037
01:43:16,430 --> 01:43:17,810
so wasn't aware of the power

4038
01:43:17,810 --> 01:43:19,180
dynamic like they always know

4039
01:43:19,180 --> 01:43:19,900
you can always

4040
01:43:19,900 --> 01:43:22,330
tell you can always feel it you

4041
01:43:22,330 --> 01:43:25,320
can tell when somebody is fangirling

4042
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:27,300
and to like for someone

4043
01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:28,700
who's going to sit there and

4044
01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:30,180
pray on that and be like well i

4045
01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:31,700
know you're not going to say no

4046
01:43:31,700 --> 01:43:32,080
to me

4047
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,800
or at least give me a hard

4048
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,210
boundary that could possibly

4049
01:43:36,210 --> 01:43:37,640
offend me so i'm going to

4050
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,260
exploit that by asking

4051
01:43:39,260 --> 01:43:41,820
things of you that i know you

4052
01:43:41,820 --> 01:43:44,090
wouldn't say yes to in any

4053
01:43:44,090 --> 01:43:47,010
other situation and like to be

4054
01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:48,700
quite honest no fan

4055
01:43:48,700 --> 01:43:50,410
is going to do anything most

4056
01:43:50,410 --> 01:43:52,070
sorry most fans are not going

4057
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:53,870
to do anything other than fall

4058
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:54,540
into line

4059
01:43:54,540 --> 01:43:56,100
with that because again they're

4060
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:57,490
getting to an exalted status of

4061
01:43:57,490 --> 01:43:58,820
getting to meet their idol in

4062
01:43:58,820 --> 01:43:59,260
person

4063
01:43:59,260 --> 01:44:00,380
you know they've been a fan of

4064
01:44:00,380 --> 01:44:01,580
this person they've done art

4065
01:44:01,580 --> 01:44:02,780
for this person they've dreamed

4066
01:44:02,780 --> 01:44:03,300
of meeting

4067
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:04,840
this person they're not going

4068
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,490
to jeopardize that by offending

4069
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:07,820
that person by saying no

4070
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:09,110
and not that those

4071
01:44:09,110 --> 01:44:11,450
relationships can't happen but

4072
01:44:11,450 --> 01:44:13,510
it's very tricky water as far

4073
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:15,420
as you know establishing

4074
01:44:15,420 --> 01:44:17,540
and acknowledging the power

4075
01:44:17,540 --> 01:44:19,480
dynamic and discussing it

4076
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:21,810
before like even anything were

4077
01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:23,660
to happen but i don't

4078
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:25,380
know my whole mo has never

4079
01:44:25,380 --> 01:44:27,190
really been to go date your

4080
01:44:27,190 --> 01:44:29,190
fans because you know it like

4081
01:44:29,190 --> 01:44:30,540
your fans are not a

4082
01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:32,630
dating pool they're like they're

4083
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:34,500
just you know they're there to

4084
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:36,400
consume your content i don't

4085
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:36,700
know

4086
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:38,500
it just it this it's not it's

4087
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:40,380
not technically illegal but it

4088
01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:42,060
just kind of it to me and in

4089
01:44:42,060 --> 01:44:42,860
terms of dating

4090
01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:44,510
your fans like i don't know i

4091
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:46,380
just kind of miss the days

4092
01:44:46,380 --> 01:44:47,750
where it was considered just

4093
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:48,940
not kosher to date

4094
01:44:48,940 --> 01:44:51,300
from your fan base like that

4095
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:53,770
was considered poor form

4096
01:44:53,770 --> 01:44:56,060
because like your fans aren't

4097
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:58,220
your peers and i just

4098
01:44:58,220 --> 01:45:00,430
i always question why like when

4099
01:45:00,430 --> 01:45:02,620
somebody can't pull from their

4100
01:45:02,620 --> 01:45:04,560
peers like why is it that you

4101
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:05,100
can't

4102
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:07,010
like land somebody and date

4103
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:09,070
somebody who's like on an even

4104
01:45:09,070 --> 01:45:11,220
playing field with you why does

4105
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:12,220
there have to

4106
01:45:12,220 --> 01:45:14,100
be a power imbalance and and

4107
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:16,170
like that's always like the the

4108
01:45:16,170 --> 01:45:18,360
trend with these types like

4109
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:18,860
they're if

4110
01:45:18,860 --> 01:45:20,240
you look at like they're most

4111
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:21,760
of their relationships they're

4112
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:22,930
oh there's always a power

4113
01:45:22,930 --> 01:45:23,820
imbalance and if

4114
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:25,290
you have a track record of

4115
01:45:25,290 --> 01:45:26,930
having a power imbalance in

4116
01:45:26,930 --> 01:45:28,530
your relationships what is

4117
01:45:28,530 --> 01:45:30,060
wrong with you like why do

4118
01:45:30,060 --> 01:45:31,730
you need to have a one-up on

4119
01:45:31,730 --> 01:45:33,420
somebody in order to be in a

4120
01:45:33,420 --> 01:45:35,630
relationship with them like you

4121
01:45:35,630 --> 01:45:36,540
need therapy

4122
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:37,950
yeah it's so fun here um i

4123
01:45:37,950 --> 01:45:39,860
think that's it courtney unless

4124
01:45:39,860 --> 01:45:41,660
you have anything else to add

4125
01:45:41,660 --> 01:45:43,230
like anything else you want to

4126
01:45:43,230 --> 01:45:44,980
add that that that you remember

4127
01:45:44,980 --> 01:45:46,430
from the testimony that you

4128
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:46,780
want to

4129
01:45:46,780 --> 01:45:49,940
comment on if you question if

4130
01:45:49,940 --> 01:45:52,680
it's a violation it probably

4131
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,580
was if you feel violated that

4132
01:45:56,580 --> 01:45:57,580
was not consent

4133
01:45:59,020 --> 01:46:00,880
your feelings matter your

4134
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,740
feelings are valid consent is

4135
01:46:03,740 --> 01:46:08,990
never implied um real men who

4136
01:46:08,990 --> 01:46:11,180
get bitches ask for

4137
01:46:11,180 --> 01:46:14,050
consent i guess that's it uh

4138
01:46:14,050 --> 01:46:16,290
what a what a good way to to

4139
01:46:16,290 --> 01:46:19,200
end the video not end the video

4140
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:19,740
and the

4141
01:46:19,740 --> 01:46:21,340
segment what a good way to end

4142
01:46:21,340 --> 01:46:23,020
the segment part five why make

4143
01:46:23,020 --> 01:46:24,790
this video unfortunately this

4144
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:25,340
is insight

4145
01:46:25,340 --> 01:46:26,900
about how content creators can

4146
01:46:26,900 --> 01:46:28,520
respond to situations of sexual

4147
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:29,960
harassment and more damning

4148
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:30,780
incidents it's

4149
01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:32,040
important to talk about how

4150
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,450
this stuff isn't okay and it's

4151
01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:34,820
not something to make jokes out

4152
01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:35,660
of i personally

4153
01:46:35,660 --> 01:46:36,940
shouldn't have to be sexualized

4154
01:46:36,940 --> 01:46:38,100
or belittled because someone

4155
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:39,330
didn't get what they wanted and

4156
01:46:39,330 --> 01:46:39,580
in a

4157
01:46:39,580 --> 01:46:40,840
a professional setting the

4158
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,170
story and the other incidents

4159
01:46:42,170 --> 01:46:43,250
are taken to an extreme i

4160
01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:43,820
should not

4161
01:46:43,820 --> 01:46:45,110
have to fight with people to

4162
01:46:45,110 --> 01:46:46,510
get justice for something like

4163
01:46:46,510 --> 01:46:47,900
this or for other victims and

4164
01:46:47,900 --> 01:46:49,110
especially on receiving

4165
01:46:49,110 --> 01:46:50,670
responses when there only might

4166
01:46:50,670 --> 01:46:52,260
be repercussions on the line it's

4167
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:52,860
messed up and

4168
01:46:52,860 --> 01:46:53,870
i'm hoping this can be a

4169
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:55,340
learning experience for anyone

4170
01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:56,640
who has ever made a nasty meme

4171
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:57,420
or taken something

4172
01:46:57,420 --> 01:46:59,180
too far admitting it and apologizing

4173
01:46:59,180 --> 01:47:00,650
without being prompted can go a

4174
01:47:00,650 --> 01:47:02,060
long way and thinking about

4175
01:47:02,060 --> 01:47:03,690
possible consequences should be

4176
01:47:03,690 --> 01:47:05,100
as well krish didn't just make

4177
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:06,270
up a bad story he did some

4178
01:47:06,270 --> 01:47:07,420
other unsavory stuff

4179
01:47:07,420 --> 01:47:08,680
combined with the lack of

4180
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,200
action when a groomer is in the

4181
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:11,580
da game space when there are

4182
01:47:11,580 --> 01:47:12,860
children in there

4183
01:47:12,860 --> 01:47:14,480
is unacceptable there is

4184
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,550
nothing bad or off-brand about

4185
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:18,270
kicking a pedophile out of your

4186
01:47:18,270 --> 01:47:19,180
community and

4187
01:47:19,180 --> 01:47:20,550
letting other adjacent

4188
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:22,310
communities know it also seems

4189
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:24,070
to me that many popular content

4190
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:25,180
creators don't know

4191
01:47:25,180 --> 01:47:26,250
or frankly don't care about

4192
01:47:26,250 --> 01:47:27,520
keeping their communities safe

4193
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:28,640
when it comes to problematic

4194
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:29,100
behavior

4195
01:47:29,740 --> 01:47:31,350
there will be confrontation

4196
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:32,870
involved so if you don't like

4197
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:34,700
confrontation maybe think twice

4198
01:47:34,700 --> 01:47:35,500
about being a

4199
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:37,000
content creator if you don't

4200
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,390
want so much responsibility

4201
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:39,940
then consider making public

4202
01:47:39,940 --> 01:47:41,500
spaces 18 plus

4203
01:47:41,500 --> 01:47:43,280
but even then there still might

4204
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:44,560
be creeps so i made a quick

4205
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,000
little guide kp's guide to

4206
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,100
dealing with bad

4207
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:48,970
people in your community number

4208
01:47:48,970 --> 01:47:50,500
one listen to someone if they

4209
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:52,300
have a serious concern and make

4210
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:52,620
sure they

4211
01:47:52,620 --> 01:47:54,480
have screenshots if possible

4212
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,050
and if you're too busy get a

4213
01:47:56,050 --> 01:47:57,790
mod team to help you with this

4214
01:47:57,790 --> 01:47:58,860
number two if the

4215
01:47:58,860 --> 01:48:00,640
screenshots are damning enough

4216
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,340
skip step three and remove them

4217
01:48:02,340 --> 01:48:04,050
from your space number three if

4218
01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:04,460
there

4219
01:48:04,460 --> 01:48:05,900
are no screenshots confront the

4220
01:48:05,900 --> 01:48:07,230
person with the issues stated

4221
01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:08,560
and get their side of the story

4222
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:08,860
have

4223
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:10,500
others weigh in on the decision

4224
01:48:10,500 --> 01:48:11,990
if it's a hard one number four

4225
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:13,120
make a google doc with

4226
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:14,460
problematic or unsafe

4227
01:48:14,460 --> 01:48:15,850
behavior so it can be shared

4228
01:48:15,850 --> 01:48:17,480
with other communities and this

4229
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:18,960
person can't prey on another

4230
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:19,900
fan group number

4231
01:48:19,900 --> 01:48:21,590
five look out for name changes

4232
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:23,520
in general suspicious behavior

4233
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:24,650
especially in fandom

4234
01:48:24,650 --> 01:48:25,820
communities all in

4235
01:48:25,820 --> 01:48:26,950
all these people seem to be

4236
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:28,400
unsafe around children because

4237
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:29,600
they don't seem to care about

4238
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:30,380
holding anyone

4239
01:48:30,380 --> 01:48:31,650
accountable and saber probably

4240
01:48:31,650 --> 01:48:32,820
didn't think all this through

4241
01:48:32,820 --> 01:48:33,980
because he didn't think it was

4242
01:48:33,980 --> 01:48:34,540
going to be

4243
01:48:34,540 --> 01:48:36,900
public oops hashtag sorry not

4244
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:39,350
sorry part six shitting on lily

4245
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:41,420
orchard because it's fun

4246
01:48:41,420 --> 01:48:42,420
One.

4247
01:48:42,420 --> 01:48:43,420
One.

4248
01:48:43,420 --> 01:48:44,420
One.

4249
01:48:44,420 --> 01:48:45,420
One.

4250
01:48:45,420 --> 01:49:15,220
So,

4251
01:49:15,220 --> 01:49:16,680
welcome to the Lily section for

4252
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:18,790
the people who only care about

4253
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:20,520
her and not any of the other

4254
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:20,860
stuff.

4255
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,450
Fun fact, Lily just rebranded

4256
01:49:23,450 --> 01:49:26,060
herself as CD Call because it's

4257
01:49:26,060 --> 01:49:28,660
totally about not escaping all

4258
01:49:28,660 --> 01:49:30,480
the pedophilia and abuse claims

4259
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:32,110
and just making people happy

4260
01:49:32,110 --> 01:49:33,590
with her sunshiny content

4261
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:35,290
because her content's always

4262
01:49:35,290 --> 01:49:36,970
just so positive and great and

4263
01:49:36,970 --> 01:49:38,860
Jesus fucking Christ, she's not

4264
01:49:38,860 --> 01:49:40,600
fucking fooling anyone.

4265
01:49:41,020 --> 01:49:42,700
Are you a rotten liar?

4266
01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:44,330
KP wanted to talk to Sketchy

4267
01:49:44,330 --> 01:49:45,710
about all these accusations

4268
01:49:45,710 --> 01:49:47,100
made against me and then show

4269
01:49:47,100 --> 01:49:48,570
screenshots that made it very

4270
01:49:48,570 --> 01:49:50,080
obvious that she's lying.

4271
01:49:50,340 --> 01:49:51,770
Sketchy says rather plainly, I

4272
01:49:51,770 --> 01:49:53,220
am not comfortable discussing

4273
01:49:53,220 --> 01:49:54,760
my friends when they're not

4274
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:55,860
around, to which KP offers

4275
01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:57,130
adding a third party whose

4276
01:49:57,130 --> 01:49:58,450
relation to the case she has

4277
01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:59,580
yet to disclose.

4278
01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:01,170
But she is unfortunately

4279
01:50:01,170 --> 01:50:02,700
missing the point. Sketchy did

4280
01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:03,670
not want to have this

4281
01:50:03,670 --> 01:50:04,960
conversation while I wasn't

4282
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,450
present, so the third party had

4283
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:07,080
to be me.

4284
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,410
Sketchy's stuff was generally

4285
01:50:08,410 --> 01:50:09,650
taken out of context. In the

4286
01:50:09,650 --> 01:50:10,920
screenshot I'm showing you,

4287
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,330
Sketchy basically said he wasn't

4288
01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:13,700
open to the conversation, even

4289
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:14,820
though I offered if a third

4290
01:50:14,820 --> 01:50:16,080
party was present and he still

4291
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:17,690
said no. The third party was

4292
01:50:17,690 --> 01:50:19,380
implied to be Lily herself. So,

4293
01:50:19,380 --> 01:50:20,600
it didn't seem to me that he

4294
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:21,970
was open to the conversation

4295
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:23,440
regardless if Lily was there or

4296
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:24,680
not. If he was open to the

4297
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:26,000
conversation when Lily was

4298
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,300
there, then he should have

4299
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:28,270
clarified that with

4300
01:50:28,270 --> 01:50:29,790
communication. And I'm still

4301
01:50:29,790 --> 01:50:31,280
open to that conversation even

4302
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,260
now. So, like, let's go, bro.

4303
01:50:33,260 --> 01:50:35,870
You move, Chief. The other

4304
01:50:35,870 --> 01:50:37,230
thing in the first screenshot

4305
01:50:37,230 --> 01:50:38,440
is that he just assumes I'm

4306
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:39,860
projecting. Like, that's a

4307
01:50:39,860 --> 01:50:41,220
weird thing to say for someone

4308
01:50:41,220 --> 01:50:42,430
I don't really talk to that

4309
01:50:42,430 --> 01:50:43,500
often. I don't want to

4310
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:44,520
speculate on private

4311
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,040
conversations with Lily, but am

4312
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:47,340
I wrong to say that's a little

4313
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:49,140
sussy? It seems obvious to me

4314
01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:50,640
that Lily talked to him before

4315
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:52,150
I confronted him, but I'm not

4316
01:50:52,150 --> 01:50:54,140
100% sure. I'm not going to sit

4317
01:50:54,140 --> 01:50:55,920
here and speculate that. Oh,

4318
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,320
fun fact, Sketchy is also a not-safe-for-work

4319
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,070
furry artist, which, fine, you

4320
01:51:00,070 --> 01:51:01,920
live your best life, Sketchy.

4321
01:51:02,180 --> 01:51:03,630
But, you know what? I don't

4322
01:51:03,630 --> 01:51:05,000
think furry is really into the

4323
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:06,730
whole pedophilia scene. So, you

4324
01:51:06,730 --> 01:51:08,090
know what'd be great? If all

4325
01:51:08,090 --> 01:51:09,560
the furries spread the word and

4326
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,040
said not to commission this guy

4327
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,240
because he's friends with a pedophile.

4328
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,460
Lily! You're an angry bomb!

4329
01:51:15,460 --> 01:51:16,980
What are we? You're an angry

4330
01:51:16,980 --> 01:51:17,460
bomb!

4331
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:18,840
Let's talk about the recording

4332
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,380
confrontation. So, generally

4333
01:51:20,380 --> 01:51:21,500
what happened during the

4334
01:51:21,500 --> 01:51:22,500
segment is Lily kind of

4335
01:51:22,500 --> 01:51:24,530
manipulated what I said and miscommunicated

4336
01:51:24,530 --> 01:51:25,930
some things. So, I'm here to

4337
01:51:25,930 --> 01:51:27,410
clarify because, you know, fuck

4338
01:51:27,410 --> 01:51:28,680
Lily. Who cares?

4339
01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:30,510
So, number one, Lily totally skips

4340
01:51:30,510 --> 01:51:31,830
the part of the confrontation

4341
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:33,440
where she lies about Stockholm.

4342
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,280
So, I was really fucking pissed

4343
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:39,020
off at the fact that Fim Fiction

4344
01:51:39,020 --> 01:51:41,750
just basically just kind of let

4345
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:43,970
anything go in regards to

4346
01:51:43,970 --> 01:51:47,020
content and just hosted a shitload

4347
01:51:47,020 --> 01:51:48,680
of child porn.

4348
01:51:49,140 --> 01:51:50,470
So, I wrote a book where

4349
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:52,280
basically a bunch of pedophiles

4350
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,290
just get shot in the head. And

4351
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:55,710
then Bronies got really mad

4352
01:51:55,710 --> 01:51:57,200
about it and started lying

4353
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:58,620
about its contents.

4354
01:51:58,960 --> 01:51:59,720
That's a weird thing to leave

4355
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:00,790
out for someone who wants to

4356
01:52:00,790 --> 01:52:01,580
tell the truth.

4357
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:03,260
Isn't that convenient?

4358
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,920
Um, KP, people have made worse

4359
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,120
accusations about you.

4360
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:10,160
Yeah, because allegedly

4361
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:11,450
treating your employees poorly

4362
01:52:11,450 --> 01:52:12,580
is totally worse than raping

4363
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:13,720
your own little sister.

4364
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:15,580
She needs to sort out her

4365
01:52:15,580 --> 01:52:16,840
priorities.

4366
01:52:17,340 --> 01:52:18,370
KP decides my denying of the

4367
01:52:18,370 --> 01:52:20,240
accusations carries less weight

4368
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:21,830
than her making them because

4369
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:23,420
she just decided that was the

4370
01:52:23,420 --> 01:52:23,980
case.

4371
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,800
I never accused anyone of lying.

4372
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:27,360
And Lily just was like, I don't

4373
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,060
want you talking to Courtney.

4374
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:31,260
So, as a favor to you, if I

4375
01:52:31,260 --> 01:52:33,910
reached out to Courtney and got

4376
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:36,520
her to apologize for the trans-

4377
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:37,660
the trans comments-

4378
01:52:37,660 --> 01:52:38,890
No, no, no. I do not want you

4379
01:52:38,890 --> 01:52:40,260
to reach out to Courtney at all.

4380
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:41,800
Just seems like a weird thing

4381
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:43,290
to say if you have nothing to

4382
01:52:43,290 --> 01:52:43,820
hide.

4383
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:45,330
Pearl's reaction to me just

4384
01:52:45,330 --> 01:52:46,500
asking about it was so

4385
01:52:46,500 --> 01:52:47,340
defensive.

4386
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:48,830
That's just a question. No need

4387
01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:49,700
to get so defensive.

4388
01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:50,780
And where have they said worse

4389
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:51,910
things about me? I want you to

4390
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:52,800
cite your sources.

4391
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:54,130
Never mind that when you don't

4392
01:52:54,130 --> 01:52:55,490
have a significant social media

4393
01:52:55,490 --> 01:52:56,970
presence, you have nothing to

4394
01:52:56,970 --> 01:52:58,390
lose and everything to gain by

4395
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:59,020
doing it.

4396
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:00,380
Yeah, because I'm going to come

4397
01:53:00,380 --> 01:53:01,430
out of total obscurity to

4398
01:53:01,430 --> 01:53:02,640
accuse someone of rape for a

4399
01:53:02,640 --> 01:53:04,300
thousand subscribers on YouTube.

4400
01:53:04,300 --> 01:53:05,600
Makes sense.

4401
01:53:05,940 --> 01:53:07,380
Do you even hear yourself?

4402
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:08,710
Never mind that this is

4403
01:53:08,710 --> 01:53:10,820
literally policy in some states.

4404
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:12,320
The fuck? What even? You're not

4405
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:13,960
even American, you stupid girl.

4406
01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:15,460
Girl, can you not? I want to

4407
01:53:15,460 --> 01:53:17,040
kiss your face with a hammer.

4408
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,470
She then decided to offer to

4409
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:20,010
mediate a call between me and

4410
01:53:20,010 --> 01:53:20,720
Courtney.

4411
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,080
And are you fucking kidding me?

4412
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:23,840
Oh boy.

4413
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:25,200
Yeah, I sure would love it if

4414
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:26,670
the Queen of the Lollipop Guild

4415
01:53:26,670 --> 01:53:28,170
organized a call between me and

4416
01:53:28,170 --> 01:53:29,550
my abuser like we're on an

4417
01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:30,820
episode of Fucking Smiling

4418
01:53:30,820 --> 01:53:31,240
Friends,

4419
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:32,740
just because she's a gullible

4420
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:34,190
shit with all the political

4421
01:53:34,190 --> 01:53:35,680
awareness of a drunk sparrow in

4422
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,240
a rave.

4423
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:38,550
The fuck? How is this political?

4424
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:40,390
Why a sparrow? Is that like a

4425
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:42,400
metaphor for something you meet

4426
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:43,620
up in your head?

4427
01:53:43,940 --> 01:53:45,750
That is without a doubt the

4428
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:47,700
dumbest thing I've ever heard.

4429
01:53:47,940 --> 01:53:49,150
Some people were surprised at

4430
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:50,560
how abruptly I ended the call

4431
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:51,600
when KP said she wasn't

4432
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:52,630
comfortable with the

4433
01:53:52,630 --> 01:53:54,360
accusations made against me.

4434
01:53:54,660 --> 01:53:56,330
I just said, alright, bye, and

4435
01:53:56,330 --> 01:53:57,460
left and blocked her on

4436
01:53:57,460 --> 01:53:58,280
everything.

4437
01:53:58,600 --> 01:53:59,620
Simple reason for that.

4438
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:01,030
I don't want to be friends with

4439
01:54:01,030 --> 01:54:02,530
anyone who believes any of this

4440
01:54:02,530 --> 01:54:04,190
garbage, and that's something I'm

4441
01:54:04,190 --> 01:54:05,140
entitled to do.

4442
01:54:05,140 --> 01:54:06,370
Yeah, sure. I never said you

4443
01:54:06,370 --> 01:54:07,480
can't do that. It's just a

4444
01:54:07,480 --> 01:54:08,880
little defensive and weird.

4445
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:10,880
I didn't yell. I didn't scream.

4446
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:12,620
I didn't call her any names. I

4447
01:54:12,620 --> 01:54:14,180
just said bye and left.

4448
01:54:14,340 --> 01:54:15,390
Girl, you called her a bunch of

4449
01:54:15,390 --> 01:54:16,660
names in this video and demeaned

4450
01:54:16,660 --> 01:54:18,380
her intelligence. Actually, bye.

4451
01:54:19,060 --> 01:54:20,240
Okay, I'm out. Can't do this

4452
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:22,120
anymore. Need to go home.

4453
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:23,470
I never said I believed in the

4454
01:54:23,470 --> 01:54:24,870
accusations, just that they

4455
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:26,130
made me uncomfortable and

4456
01:54:26,130 --> 01:54:27,760
wanted to ask Lily about them.

4457
01:54:28,020 --> 01:54:29,460
Is that not communicating? Lily,

4458
01:54:29,460 --> 01:54:30,870
you always hemmed and hollered

4459
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:32,620
about, oh, no one ever communicates

4460
01:54:32,620 --> 01:54:33,240
with me.

4461
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:34,490
They never set boundaries, and

4462
01:54:34,490 --> 01:54:35,530
then they just leave when I

4463
01:54:35,530 --> 01:54:36,740
make them uncomfortable.

4464
01:54:37,140 --> 01:54:37,690
I just wish people would

4465
01:54:37,690 --> 01:54:38,840
communicate and tell me when

4466
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,130
they're uncomfortable so we can

4467
01:54:40,130 --> 01:54:41,440
find solutions together.

4468
01:54:41,900 --> 01:54:43,420
You're such a hypocrite.

4469
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:45,170
Because I'm communicating that

4470
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:46,560
I'm uncomfortable, suddenly I'm

4471
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:47,340
a gullible shit.

4472
01:54:47,740 --> 01:54:48,530
Gee, I wonder why your friends

4473
01:54:48,530 --> 01:54:49,490
don't feel like they can

4474
01:54:49,490 --> 01:54:50,480
communicate with you.

4475
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:51,560
You can go back over the

4476
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,060
podcast we did, talking about

4477
01:54:53,060 --> 01:54:54,620
personal trauma, where I bring

4478
01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:55,800
up most of the stuff,

4479
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:57,530
and she's just kind of disinterested

4480
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:58,890
in anything that isn't about

4481
01:54:58,890 --> 01:55:00,500
her. We just kind of accepted

4482
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:00,980
that.

4483
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:02,320
I mean, it's not that KP was a

4484
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:03,850
shitty friend. It's just that

4485
01:55:03,850 --> 01:55:05,240
she was just kind of there,

4486
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:06,660
and it was something that made

4487
01:55:06,660 --> 01:55:08,200
cutting the thread upon KP,

4488
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:09,120
crossing my strictest

4489
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:10,500
boundaries easier to do.

4490
01:55:10,660 --> 01:55:11,460
Let's talk about how I didn't

4491
01:55:11,460 --> 01:55:12,540
want to interrupt someone who's

4492
01:55:12,540 --> 01:55:13,600
talking about their trauma.

4493
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:14,910
Oh, Michaela also had to push

4494
01:55:14,910 --> 01:55:16,240
me to communicate with Lily,

4495
01:55:16,540 --> 01:55:17,820
and Lily actively flirting with

4496
01:55:17,820 --> 01:55:19,010
me was a little uncomfy,

4497
01:55:19,010 --> 01:55:20,120
especially live.

4498
01:55:20,420 --> 01:55:22,070
Like, literally everyone, fuck

4499
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:23,810
you. KP is an absolutely lovely

4500
01:55:23,810 --> 01:55:24,420
person.

4501
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:26,520
Yay, I'm gonna slowly, I've

4502
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:29,220
made this joke, like, privately,

4503
01:55:29,380 --> 01:55:30,430
but, like, I'm slowly gonna

4504
01:55:30,430 --> 01:55:31,630
require a lesbian army and take

4505
01:55:31,630 --> 01:55:32,480
over the world.

4506
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:34,120
Just give it time. Anyway.

4507
01:55:34,260 --> 01:55:35,550
That is the, like, that is the,

4508
01:55:35,550 --> 01:55:36,830
that is the, that is the most

4509
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:38,180
aggressive polycule ever.

4510
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:39,910
Lily clearly never, ever wanted

4511
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:41,500
to fuck me. Never, ever.

4512
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:42,960
And I never, ever had a reason

4513
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,320
to not want to open up to her.

4514
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:45,450
And she seems to think that's

4515
01:55:45,450 --> 01:55:46,550
some kind of personal slight

4516
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:47,220
against her.

4517
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:48,300
That I never warmed up to her

4518
01:55:48,300 --> 01:55:49,520
in the way she wanted me to.

4519
01:55:49,860 --> 01:55:50,820
Then I learned about how she

4520
01:55:50,820 --> 01:55:51,820
raped her sister.

4521
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:53,480
And about Stockholm and the dog

4522
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:54,180
fucking.

4523
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:55,510
And you fucking wonder where I'm,

4524
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:55,820
like,

4525
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:57,260
yeah, maybe Lily Orchard isn't,

4526
01:55:57,260 --> 01:55:58,440
like, the best person.

4527
01:55:58,920 --> 01:55:59,870
Well, I'll stay away from her

4528
01:55:59,870 --> 01:56:00,320
then.

4529
01:56:00,660 --> 01:56:01,750
This isn't even to call KP a

4530
01:56:01,750 --> 01:56:03,470
bad person for being an aloof,

4531
01:56:03,470 --> 01:56:04,800
self-centered weirdo

4532
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,600
who's always disassociating.

4533
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:08,160
Lily, you're being ableist.

4534
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:09,700
Just because you also have PTSD

4535
01:56:09,700 --> 01:56:10,990
doesn't mean it's cool to say

4536
01:56:10,990 --> 01:56:12,240
that I'm odd in the head.

4537
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:13,790
It's just that all that stuff

4538
01:56:13,790 --> 01:56:15,530
made me realize I wasn't really

4539
01:56:15,530 --> 01:56:16,700
going to miss her.

4540
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:18,270
Oh no, the incestuous pedophile

4541
01:56:18,270 --> 01:56:19,610
rapist doesn't want me in her

4542
01:56:19,610 --> 01:56:20,700
polycule anymore?

4543
01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:22,920
Whatever shall I do?

4544
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:24,740
Stop, don't come back.

4545
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,310
In general, you should always

4546
01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:27,860
be extremely suspicious of any

4547
01:56:27,860 --> 01:56:28,300
accuser

4548
01:56:28,300 --> 01:56:29,600
who tries to convince you not

4549
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:30,690
to listen to the accused

4550
01:56:30,690 --> 01:56:31,340
response.

4551
01:56:31,660 --> 01:56:32,960
But that's what you did, Lily.

4552
01:56:33,020 --> 01:56:34,340
That's what you did.

4553
01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:35,420
Oh, P.S.

4554
01:56:35,420 --> 01:56:36,520
On the Britney section, Lily

4555
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,130
cropped out a lot of Britney's

4556
01:56:38,130 --> 01:56:39,040
talking points

4557
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:40,120
to sound like she was talking

4558
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:40,700
to herself.

4559
01:56:40,900 --> 01:56:42,360
So go check Britney's logs and

4560
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:43,280
report back.

4561
01:56:43,580 --> 01:56:44,360
That's your homework.

4562
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:45,690
Unless you're stupid enough to

4563
01:56:45,690 --> 01:56:46,900
relieve Lily on her word.

4564
01:56:47,300 --> 01:56:48,430
Which, you know, can't really

4565
01:56:48,430 --> 01:56:49,340
help you there.

4566
01:56:49,340 --> 01:56:50,520
And also she cut out all the

4567
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:51,780
dog fucking pictures in the

4568
01:56:51,780 --> 01:56:52,700
patch section.

4569
01:56:52,900 --> 01:56:53,560
So, you know.

4570
01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:01,920
When we were...

4571
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,350
So we started school at like 5

4572
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:03,820
or 6.

4573
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,360
Lily started at 5, I started at

4574
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:05,760
6.

4575
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:07,740
And we always got the bus up at

4576
01:57:07,740 --> 01:57:09,890
the top entrance of the trailer

4577
01:57:09,890 --> 01:57:11,220
park where there was the store.

4578
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:12,720
Now the trailer park used to be

4579
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:14,260
gated for whatever reason.

4580
01:57:14,580 --> 01:57:16,440
And the stone walls that held

4581
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:18,560
the gates are still in place.

4582
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:19,640
I'm pretty sure they might even

4583
01:57:19,640 --> 01:57:20,480
still be there to this day.

4584
01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:21,370
But they were when we were

4585
01:57:21,370 --> 01:57:21,940
growing up.

4586
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:23,820
And, you know, people used to

4587
01:57:23,820 --> 01:57:25,620
just stick their chewed gum to

4588
01:57:25,620 --> 01:57:27,300
it to discard their gum.

4589
01:57:28,220 --> 01:57:29,540
And while we were waiting for

4590
01:57:29,540 --> 01:57:31,560
the bus up by that store,

4591
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,190
Lily made a habit, starting at

4592
01:57:33,190 --> 01:57:34,340
like 7 years old,

4593
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,360
of like peeling the gum off of

4594
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,280
this wall and eating it.

4595
01:57:38,780 --> 01:57:39,740
Not like chewing it.

4596
01:57:39,740 --> 01:57:41,240
Just like swallowing it.

4597
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:42,120
Just eating it.

4598
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:43,690
It reminds me of that scene in

4599
01:57:43,690 --> 01:57:45,270
the Elf where he's just going

4600
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:46,460
around New York City

4601
01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:48,280
and he's just like picking the

4602
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:49,900
gum off the sidewalks.

4603
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:50,840
Exactly.

4604
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,210
And it was so funny because I'd

4605
01:57:53,210 --> 01:57:54,800
see her doing it.

4606
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,060
And then, of course, being 6

4607
01:57:56,060 --> 01:57:56,880
years old and that being

4608
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:57,500
disgusting,

4609
01:57:57,660 --> 01:57:58,610
I'd go rat her out to her

4610
01:57:58,610 --> 01:57:59,040
mother.

4611
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:00,560
And her mother would come over

4612
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,020
and start screaming at her to

4613
01:58:02,020 --> 01:58:02,900
drop the gum.

4614
01:58:02,900 --> 01:58:04,480
And like a dog with something

4615
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,000
it's not supposed to eat,

4616
01:58:06,140 --> 01:58:07,390
Lily would just start shoving

4617
01:58:07,390 --> 01:58:08,720
it into her mouth faster.

4618
01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:11,360
Did she ever get sick?

4619
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:12,300
Like from this?

4620
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:13,730
Because this is like, like,

4621
01:58:13,730 --> 01:58:14,540
like, yeah.

4622
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:16,620
Like who knows who's putting

4623
01:58:16,620 --> 01:58:17,860
the gum there?

4624
01:58:18,620 --> 01:58:19,880
I've been asked that before,

4625
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:21,350
but surprisingly, I don't think

4626
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:22,080
she ever did.

4627
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:24,710
Like she wasn't sick a lot as a

4628
01:58:24,710 --> 01:58:25,440
kid.

4629
01:58:26,540 --> 01:58:26,940
Oh.

4630
01:58:26,940 --> 01:58:28,140
More than like the scarlet

4631
01:58:28,140 --> 01:58:29,500
fever and the chicken pox.

4632
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:30,580
She really didn't actually get

4633
01:58:30,580 --> 01:58:31,260
sick that much.

4634
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:32,300
Neither of us really did.

4635
01:58:32,620 --> 01:58:34,390
But no, she just like, and it

4636
01:58:34,390 --> 01:58:36,260
was such a problem that like,

4637
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:37,820
we switched bus stops.

4638
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:39,520
Because she wouldn't stop

4639
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:40,720
eating the gum.

4640
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:44,370
So what was the reason that

4641
01:58:44,370 --> 01:58:47,030
like, she was even just out of

4642
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:47,580
like,

4643
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,160
boredom or something?

4644
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:50,640
Or like, she found the gum and

4645
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:51,320
she's like,

4646
01:58:51,420 --> 01:58:52,320
Ooh, that's colorful.

4647
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,000
I'm going to put it in my mouth.

4648
01:58:54,140 --> 01:58:55,100
That's what she said.

4649
01:58:56,220 --> 01:58:58,550
I mean, if she was really that

4650
01:58:58,550 --> 01:59:00,790
like, mentally incapacitated at

4651
01:59:00,790 --> 01:59:01,060
7,

4652
01:59:01,180 --> 01:59:02,340
maybe that was the mindset.

4653
01:59:02,340 --> 01:59:05,660
I really couldn't tell you what

4654
01:59:05,660 --> 01:59:07,870
brings one to see gum crammed

4655
01:59:07,870 --> 01:59:09,520
into a stone wall.

4656
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:10,970
That makes you think, I should

4657
01:59:10,970 --> 01:59:12,080
put that in my mouth.

4658
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:13,750
And then you go through the

4659
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:15,490
effort of prying it off with

4660
01:59:15,490 --> 01:59:17,390
all the little stones that are

4661
01:59:17,390 --> 01:59:18,000
in it.

4662
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,150
And you just go, yes, in my

4663
01:59:19,150 --> 01:59:19,940
mouth it goes.

4664
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:23,200
I mean, like, you made a good

4665
01:59:23,200 --> 01:59:24,740
point that even when you were

4666
01:59:24,740 --> 01:59:26,100
younger, you kind of knew that

4667
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:26,820
was a little off.

4668
01:59:26,820 --> 01:59:28,560
So it's not like she, you know,

4669
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,080
is just being a dumb kid.

4670
01:59:30,180 --> 01:59:32,010
I mean, I guess to some extent,

4671
01:59:32,010 --> 01:59:33,860
but like, at the same time.

4672
01:59:34,360 --> 01:59:35,470
Because for Lily, like,

4673
01:59:35,470 --> 01:59:36,880
negative attention was still

4674
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:37,400
attention.

4675
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:38,750
And getting yelled at by our

4676
01:59:38,750 --> 01:59:40,060
parents was attention.

4677
01:59:40,060 --> 01:59:41,530
So whatever made that happen

4678
01:59:41,530 --> 01:59:42,520
was a good thing.

4679
01:59:43,860 --> 01:59:45,290
And like, someone might suggest,

4680
01:59:45,290 --> 01:59:46,330
someone might suggest in the

4681
01:59:46,330 --> 01:59:47,360
comments of this video,

4682
01:59:47,460 --> 01:59:48,550
they'll be like, maybe Lily had

4683
01:59:48,550 --> 01:59:48,880
pica.

4684
01:59:49,220 --> 01:59:50,050
No, she didn't, because she

4685
01:59:50,050 --> 01:59:51,240
didn't eat weird things.

4686
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:52,830
Like, she didn't like, pick off

4687
01:59:52,830 --> 01:59:54,130
the drywall and eat it or eat

4688
01:59:54,130 --> 01:59:54,800
stones.

4689
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:56,480
No, it was just already chewed

4690
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:56,900
gum.

4691
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:58,220
What is pica?

4692
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,050
It's a, it's like a, I think it's

4693
02:00:00,050 --> 02:00:01,910
classified as a disorder, but

4694
02:00:01,910 --> 02:00:03,160
it's a phenomenon where people

4695
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:04,440
will start eating things that

4696
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:05,400
are not food items.

4697
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:06,930
And typically it's because of

4698
02:00:06,930 --> 02:00:08,380
like a mineral deficiency or

4699
02:00:08,380 --> 02:00:09,160
something.

4700
02:00:09,380 --> 02:00:10,930
I think there's also links to

4701
02:00:10,930 --> 02:00:12,800
like psychological issues.

4702
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:13,920
But a lot of the times it's

4703
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:15,250
your body is seeking some sort

4704
02:00:15,250 --> 02:00:16,480
of vitamin or mineral.

4705
02:00:16,700 --> 02:00:17,910
And then you end up somehow

4706
02:00:17,910 --> 02:00:19,430
getting that from eating non-food

4707
02:00:19,430 --> 02:00:19,900
items.

4708
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:21,640
Usually it like happens in

4709
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,180
terms of like stone.

4710
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:24,520
Like you'll find people eating

4711
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:25,650
rocks and it turns out that

4712
02:00:25,650 --> 02:00:26,800
they have like a calcium or

4713
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:27,540
something.

4714
02:00:27,540 --> 02:00:28,020
deficiency.

4715
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:30,760
Like, so, so how long did this

4716
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:31,840
go on for?

4717
02:00:31,980 --> 02:00:33,100
Like a year or two?

4718
02:00:34,340 --> 02:00:34,950
Ah, no, it was a good, like, it

4719
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:36,390
was a good couple of weeks

4720
02:00:36,390 --> 02:00:38,060
because like our mom was on her

4721
02:00:38,060 --> 02:00:39,080
every time.

4722
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,510
It got to the point where when

4723
02:00:40,510 --> 02:00:41,550
we would go walk to the bus

4724
02:00:41,550 --> 02:00:43,060
stop in the morning, she would

4725
02:00:43,060 --> 02:00:43,460
be like,

4726
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:45,210
now Lily, don't eat the fucking

4727
02:00:45,210 --> 02:00:46,180
gum off the wall.

4728
02:00:46,500 --> 02:00:47,490
Like just sit there and lecture

4729
02:00:47,490 --> 02:00:47,780
her.

4730
02:00:47,940 --> 02:00:49,320
And then like, I don't know,

4731
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,160
like a handicapped toddler, she

4732
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:52,540
got off the leash and it would

4733
02:00:52,540 --> 02:00:53,900
go straight for the gum.

4734
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:56,510
I like how there's already fan

4735
02:00:56,510 --> 02:00:57,810
art of her like looking like a

4736
02:00:57,810 --> 02:00:59,340
little golem eating the gum.

4737
02:00:59,540 --> 02:01:01,100
We need more fan art of this.

4738
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:02,540
I mean, she kind of was like a

4739
02:01:02,540 --> 02:01:04,150
little goblin because like it

4740
02:01:04,150 --> 02:01:05,060
got to the point.

4741
02:01:05,180 --> 02:01:06,710
I mean, it happened enough

4742
02:01:06,710 --> 02:01:08,360
times that the other kids at

4743
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,150
the bus stop would just kind of

4744
02:01:10,150 --> 02:01:11,940
like hang off like a little bit

4745
02:01:11,940 --> 02:01:13,720
of ways from the wall and just

4746
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:15,300
sort of watch her do it.

4747
02:01:17,460 --> 02:01:19,160
So she literally would be like

4748
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:20,910
crouched on top of this wall

4749
02:01:20,910 --> 02:01:22,800
just with an audience just prying

4750
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,330
up this gum and then nom nom

4751
02:01:24,330 --> 02:01:25,300
nom nom nom.

4752
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,420
Oh, that's nasty.

4753
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:28,730
And it was never like the same

4754
02:01:28,730 --> 02:01:29,890
energy of when she chewed my

4755
02:01:29,890 --> 02:01:31,380
Barbie shoes because she always

4756
02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:32,540
had this habit of chewing up

4757
02:01:32,540 --> 02:01:33,860
the shoes of my Barbies.

4758
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:35,690
Never their feet, but just the

4759
02:01:35,690 --> 02:01:36,980
shoes, which honestly I just

4760
02:01:36,980 --> 02:01:37,800
chalked up to.

4761
02:01:37,900 --> 02:01:39,600
Well, she's she's like ADHD and

4762
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:40,320
autistic.

4763
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:41,540
She chews on shit.

4764
02:01:41,660 --> 02:01:42,420
Of course she chewed on the

4765
02:01:42,420 --> 02:01:43,040
plastic shoes.

4766
02:01:43,140 --> 02:01:44,080
Pissed me off, but whatever.

4767
02:01:44,620 --> 02:01:45,480
But it was never the same

4768
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,300
energy because like it was only

4769
02:01:47,300 --> 02:01:48,120
that wall.

4770
02:01:48,780 --> 02:01:50,370
Oh, like, yeah, it must have

4771
02:01:50,370 --> 02:01:52,080
been for attention.

4772
02:01:52,540 --> 02:01:55,300
Like, which is doesn't make it

4773
02:01:55,300 --> 02:01:58,730
not gross, but like, uh, don't

4774
02:01:58,730 --> 02:02:00,720
do that, guys.

4775
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:30,700
Oh, like, yeah.

4776
02:02:30,700 --> 02:03:00,680
Thank you.

4777
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:30,660
Thank you.