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hi everyone welcome to this week of
animation communication very special
episode episode where we're going to
talk about
safety and crossing the street and you
know hopefully this is a parent episode
where parents can listen and be like oh
yes someone i can finally trust online
safety that can possible a lot lady so
if you're new i'm i love kim possible a
lot i always it's always a lot to say um
or kp for short and i'm
the
on the podcast i guess and i run
stuff
yeah last time i checked and riddle's
here too so hello
how are you doing riddle i'm doing
fantastic and i'm ready to have a
wonderful podcast with our guest lyle
convoy how professional
all right so um lio why don't you
introduce yourself who are you what do
you do on the internet i am lyle convoy
i am a very old angry man i like talking
about cartoons action figures comics but
i also concern myself very deeply with
children's safety online and when i get
the chance to
i'm reporting and exposing child
predators
very noble thing of you to do on your
spare time
you don't have a lot of that no i don't
it's um
it can be very frustrating in a lot of
cases for a lot of different things but
we're here to talk about how kids can
keep themselves safe and it can actually
roll into how adults can also keep
themselves safe and i'm excited to be
here so i appreciate you guys bringing
me on
it's like we like doing things that help
society and are not just here for hey
come notice us we talk about my little
pony and stuff on the
society
we live in one
we live in one we sure we sure do so
anyway um i guess we'll get to the news
and then we'll figure out how to keep
your children safe online and also how
that ties into conventions those
conventions get more popular because
conventions are a great place for kids
provided that you know
security is the way it's supposed to be
and you know on play safe
all right
what's the news riddle so in the world
of news um there's a bit of a kerfuffle
this week um
baymax exclamation point um
there's going to be return of the
the the the hero 6 big hero 6 um crew
you know the the character baymax is
going to have their own little tv series
um
i think it already released or some of
it already did
yeah that was i believe that was the
promo um oh
okay
like um
let's
so anyway he's talking about there's um
a big hero 6
another video another big hero 6
um spin-off that is a series now onto z
plus where it's 3d animated instead of
the other one which was 2d animated um
you know so i think it's coming up this
week right riddle something like that
it's coming out soon um i didn't get i
didn't get a a date um
but right now there's there's a lot of
teaser trailers floating around um i the
the the big issues though is on the
twitter people complaining about the
baymax which is absolutely ridiculous
um
did you see these tweets going floating
around on your feed um i'm just checking
to see if there's if they have a release
date for it yet or if it's already been
released and we're just dumb
we could be dumb i mean that is that is
completely in the realm of possibility
but um i don't believe it's out yet
oh it's out yet
oh it is
um so all 90 minute films
yeah 90 minute film so it um released a
couple days ago june 29th so anyway oh
it's out
yeah it's out hooray
time flies
good thing i checked riddle thank
goodness
crisis
crisis averted
so um you're talking about the scene
where they have they have um baymax is
buying periods right grouping pads
buying
buying periods yeah the baymax is buying
periods no
buying buying um pads um for a character
if i do recall and didn't know exactly
what to do in the background
there was a a masculine looking person
buying bags there was a there's a
there's a trans there's a transition
buying path yeah
yes and and and that that that made
everyone on the internet mad
um well i i i think it will get better
over time you know i hope so hope people
just stop caring about these things and
just get on with their lives well
they're so mad about it they can go a
couple hours down and get like the the
butt hurt medicine
whatever it's called uh preparation h
that's right
there he goes yep yep well the the issue
i have with people that go on about this
is twofold number one most of the people
complaining never even cared like
they're not gonna watch it to begin with
and secondly
cartoons have always talked about modern
social issues like
literally all the time sometimes not in
the best way unfortunately with some
early popeye episodes but this is a
common thing people acting like this is
brand new just baffles me yeah
it's like people on the internet can be
done it reminds me of like the turning
red fiasco as well this just reminds me
a lot of this i just think that there's
just a
a group of men that just think periods
are icky
but but riddle
they hit the pentagon they hit the
pentagon they hit the pentagon
all right
now i'm moving
um
moving on to the next the news um harley
quinn's getting a season three on hbo
we knew that already i think it was
announced a while ago does it have like
a release date or something or
um it's going to date let's see episodes
103 is going debut on july 28th so
that's pretty close yeah
if you um want to and have hbo max
stupid joke anyway um
um harley quinn i think is like the best
thing that's come out of dc since btaz i
don't know leo you probably know the dc
stuff more than i do if you want to like
chime in on that but um i was just gonna
say um but i really like it it has a lot
of compostable vibes to it except in a
more
obviously mature
it's very atmosphere it's very crass but
like in a fun way like if you're
watching my videos it's probably a
similar way and i highly recommend it
it's really good i like it um definitely
not for kids though
oh yeah definitely not for kids they say
bad words and do bad things in it but go
ahead leo
well when it comes to dc um i tend to
keep track more with what they have
going on with comics currently um a lot
other more animated stuff recently
haven't been all that impressed with
while i understand the harley quinn show
i i know it's audience and i know that
it has its place it's not really my
biggest thing because i've never been
too big on harley as a character
i've always been more focused on batman
himself and some of his internal family
but dc is doing some really wild things
right now and it doesn't surprise me
that that show got another season that's
been very popular among
primarily younger people and of course
with um some people that are
gay that's what they really like and
that's fine i don't hold any of that
against them obviously currently in the
comics harley quinn's actually operating
with batman
and is trying to find out what happened
to poison ivy because
she went away a while ago and nobody's
seen her
well in the the main hardcore camp
oh i was gonna
make it fun of you but i just like
couldn't do it the rest of the way
but i was gonna be like actually in the
a line of the comics books for the
official dc that's been canon you know
that's what i was gonna do so well the
other thing they have coming out at some
point in the future they did a teaser
trailer for a few days ago
is a super suns um animated film was
done in cgi and as somebody who owns
like the super sun's omnibus i really
enjoyed those stories they're adorable
first and foremost
but
i'm hoping they do well because when
ben just got a hold of superman he aged
up superman's kid so now he's a teenager
and he doesn't get to have as many fun
adventures with damian wayne and they
don't get to play off each other as well
anymore because it's a massive age gap
so
i'm hoping this movie doesn't suck
me too
is this just the superman son is it like
the zod's kid or is it actually his kid
it's his kid uh
fun thing about comic shenanigans uh
during new 52
uh the characters from the original like
post-crisis
continuity were in some weird form of
limbo or they didn't have their powers
so that's when
um superman and lois
created a child
and then when rebirth happened and new
52 was overwritten for the most part
boom jonathan kent's now around and he
has powers and nobody died from it
thank goodness
comics giveaway comics you guys lost me
there
um it's just it's just the idea of
superman having a kid that's kind of
he's always a touch and go
okay
that's fair either either it's someone
else's kid or it's a clone or blah blah
are you are you implying that dc makes
mistakes
more it's it's more that sometimes and
yes they do but it's more than sometimes
they they overthink things in terms of
logic and like okay the the common
content is all right superman is an
alien species he has an absurd amount of
power
um
there's a camera is an article or a book
called a man of steel woman of tissue
that went over this entire concept of
whether or not superman could copulate
with lois and because of that dc
overthinks things in the absolute worst
possible direction so
they use a very convoluted situation to
justify him having a kid as though you
need to justify it in fiction so that
that's how we got there
yep suspension of disbelief sometimes
even the writers need to do that
so you want to hear about go ahead
so i guess my follow-up are they trying
to like scientifically like make up [\h__\h]
to that like kryptonites can have the
same dna structural pattern as humans
and [\h__\h] like that
it's more it's more of um
let's see if we can make this character
happen in a way that's not going to get
us a bunch of really stupid comments
but if you think that's weird
right if you think that's weird you
ought to hear about um the original
april neil's origins in the original
ninja turtles comic now that's that'll
mess with your head oh i don't mess with
your head
is that a rabbit hole i don't want to go
down
um
essentially
april o'neil is a drawing oh okay
it's like doodlebob
yeah quite literally like like doodlebob
and she found this out via time travel
and
occupying the body of a roach
oh
oh thank goodness
that's normal rick did that one time too
yeah um what's the next one thing riddle
oh another thing um
speaking of dc um
there's gonna make a justice league in a
ruby crossover movie
it was in um rtx austin 2022 they had
the announcement um ruby is a
is a show by rooster teeth they did um
red versus blue um which was pretty good
for like the the the first bit and then
it kind of like lost its way and people
have similar opinions with ruby
um
so who knows how this is going to turn
out um i just
i i don't know crossover stuff is always
kind of interesting i like the the
teenage mutant ninja turtles and the
batman crossover
um i thought that was interesting and i
like that
which one there's three of them there's
three of them but the the recent movie
that came out oh the movie okay yeah
yeah that was pretty fun it was fun yeah
it like
like you can't really take it seriously
you gotta like just you're just there
for the ride
yeah but they missed the best part of
that entire crossover that they were
adapting what was that
this is where my parents died raph
[Laughter]
this is where my parents died oops oops
you guys are making references to things
i don't understand it's making me oh
there's a there's a meme where um batman
is showing
where his the crime alley to raphael
because raphael is always the angry
rooted one
so he's trying to
you know they're trying to bond trying
to bond and channel his rage blah blah
and somebody
added a speech balloon that actually
wasn't there for wrath for the meme
where batman says this is where my
parents died raph and rap's response is
cow a bummer
[Laughter]
it's very good
what a great meme
kellogg bummer man
yeah most uh most crossovers tend to be
god-awful so i tend to avoid most of
them but the two batman comic crossovers
there's a part one and a part two from
the main line and then there's one for
tmnt adventures and batman the animated
series that crossed over that one was
really good
so yeah
we're getting off topic um sorry but
that's okay there's not a lot of talk
about ruby ruby's ruby but that's just a
thing that's coming up
okay well that's neat um ruby's the one
with the blonde hair right
there they're they're
i believe four main characters
okay
ruby's blonde one right no exactly you
got it
don't you lie to her like that
all right
anyway
on to the main topic internet safety
with flyo
so when did you start caring about
internet safety well to a point i've
always cared about it but i didn't get
involved with things like that directly
until 2018 and the reason why that is is
while i've never been a brony and
concerned myself very little with that
show
there were some people on that side of
the internet that i did occasionally
watch their content and of course in
2018 a very specific individual got it
outed for his activity and i came to a
decision and i could either be one of
these guys on the outside that's always
telling people how to operate without
doing anything or i can knuckle up and
start doing things myself so i wound up
connecting with a few people that
um
were willing to
put in on this unfortunately those
relationships should soured in one way
or another one in the worst of possible
ways because he was a complete nutter
scumbag that wound up using his position
to try to get with children
and the other person of course we had a
falling out back in december over this
topic
but when it comes to child safety it's
something that should be simple to do
but something that a lot of people don't
give a lot of thought in specifically
because kids aren't really known for
three-dimensional thinking and
unfortunately
it's come around to where back when i
was a kid a lot of parents use the
television as a babysitter well now
instead they use the internet and these
kids are not taught how to keep
themselves safe and the parents don't
seem to care
yep like back in 2010 you can search up
internet safety videos on youtube you
find that it was a thing like they try
to harp on in back in 2010s and 2012s
um and once a while you'll still get a
psa on the television
or on in tv shows like arthur or gumball
but it seems to have the idea of
internet safety has gone away like um
when it comes to trying to
proliferate some kind of messaging
with children
like the government may run an ad once
in a while but they only really pay lip
service to it they don't get really deep
into the things that children should be
aware of and what parents should be
aware of when their child is online
um things like what is personal
information like um
a child might not even know what that
that is and what what things they're
saying might be personal information um
do you think that psas and stuff like
that are missing from some things that
the or are just children that's not
listening at all or
where you come from with this lyo
it's a bit of column a bit of column b
but there's also a column c because a
lot of social media now
um
happens either via twitter via disk
servers or they have friends there and
they don't care enough about them or are
genuinely ignorant to where they don't
know how to stop somebody i mean the
riddle you've been in calls and senate
where we've been clowning on an idiot
they just start without provocation
telling us every aspect of their life
some of which sit there tell us their
phone number their addresses where they
work the name of their parents and what
they do and it's not even solicited
there's something about the internet
that by and large has removed inhibition
from certain people
and they just start trauma dumping or
they start info dumping on people
because they want to be seen they want
to be heard this especially is true for
children unfortunately because a lot of
children they are in households that the
parents are neglectful or ignorant or
they don't care in general so what do
they do they turn online for validation
the problem with turning online to
validation when you're a child
specifically is there's no shortage
of adults that are going to absolutely
take advantage of that for either their
own personal gain or for entertainment
or for sexual gratification
and you've got to be cognizant of this
and if you run a server you also have to
be cognizant of this
yeah i think um what it comes down to
too is especially some of these kids
that are drawn to cartoons like you know
our general environment like yeah i know
i'm like this where we want to have a
creative people or creative community
around us just to kind of talk or just
like that gets us like everyone wants to
be gotten or you know that kind of thing
and you know in a small
you know
uh how would i want to say in a small
like town or something like that where
there's not really a lot of children let
alone children with like diverse
interests
then it can be problematic and these
kids turn to the internet because they
they just need someone who gets them you
know and i feel
i feel bad like it can be really great
and discord can be a really great
resource for kids um to do these things
again if they are safe and they have you
know
resources and then you know there's
dearly parents involved so and
unfortunately uh in the online space
specifically because people are so
accepting sometimes to the point of
unbridled stupidity
people allow dangerous individuals into
their community whether it be if through
a
unwarranted stupid sense of second
chances or whether it be the well i
don't want to judge somebody or
sometimes just absolute apathy there's
some culpability of people who run these
things
to have some standards for who they
allow in their chat or if somebody
misbehaves they should be removed
instead of giving a billion different
chances to continue to screw up and
cause harm to people and you have to be
very specific and very careful about
this when you know you have children in
your servers
because while you might be able to do an
overlook of the server you don't control
what happens in dms and these people
know how to manipulate children because
children want validation and when a
child gets a validation from an adult is
something very special to them because
this person is older than me more life
experience and they are validating me
that gives them the kid attention and
the person's a predator they know that
they all know that so that's what they
stick with that's why when i when i have
people that have been around me or
they'll say well i have friends i'm like
alright how old are your friends and
they'll start naming people under age
i give them a side eye they may not
necessarily be predators but there's
never
a valid reason for that there's always
something sketchy going on there maybe
not sexually maybe the person's just a
complete worthless idiot the only people
who value that person's opinion are
children but my point is they're a very
vulnerable group of people and if
they're not protected at home they have
to be protected by other people and
sometimes the children are going to
reject that and you can't always help
that and sometimes even getting a hold
of parents doesn't work because the
parents have no idea how the internet
works because they just don't care to
find out
yep it can be hard for the the older
generation to be involved but they
should be involved in some capacity um
what what are people doing online just
just like if they're just gaming or if
they they they're on their phone or
talking maybe just sit down in the room
for a little bit and just just curious
what they're doing and
be
involved like once in a blue moon
yeah i think just to kind of structure
the the conversation i think there's a
lot of different ways to look at it
there's the parent who just kind of
wants their kid to find a nice healthy
group online that's supportive of them i
think we might have to break down what
the discord mod is a little bit for
people that might not understand that
and just like you know how a parent can
have that role if they
they so choose discord is what is
discord and like is it hard for me to
use and then why oh we can get to some
of your like worst case kind of
you know things behavior to look out for
as far as you know a predator and that
kind of stuff man this is a fun episode
isn't it
so i guess go ahead
when it comes to discord for those of
you who are closer to my age and
probably don't know or older
back in the day we had a concept
or a program called mrc
and mirc is essentially the discord but
the ability to
call so if you just tell parents you
know discord essentially a chat
application that they'll understand
because they know what a chat room is
even my grandma knows what a chat room
is she's 98 so
you have to break that barrier by
telling them that and you have to tell
them very directly okay this is a
application where anybody can in one way
or talk to anybody else so
first thing that i've been through
before with a few other people first
thing you need to be with your kids is
you need to be open with them and they
need to learn to be open with you if
there's not mutual trust there you're
not going to get anywhere there are
times kids are going to hide things from
parents because it's embarrassing or
because they know they'll get in trouble
there's been a lot of cases we've had
where of course you're going to have to
get the parents involved you have to
and the kid
doesn't want to because they don't want
to get in trouble or they don't want
their internet
access revoked and again this comes down
to kids not thinking three-dimensionally
because they're not adults they don't
think long-term kids think of the here
and now and
if x will get me why and
yes they don't think all right well i
might get granted from the internet for
a few months but once i'm back on the
internet that'll be better safety
precautions this won't happen again they
just think
i'm gonna have months without internet
and that's not acceptable to me
if they get grounded so that's that's
step one is building trust you have to
have that
yeah the communication is very important
between um
the parent and the child um
also just just some just some education
in general um for but for on both ends
will help a lot um some just
just common internet etiquette like you
don't use your real name online
this is probably probably probably step
number one when when creating
an online persona you you want to base
it off of something else like an avatar
or something to to
you don't want to you don't want to make
any references to you your real real
life
where you live um
um
what will your like it should be some
kind of interest or hobby or something
and then then
you'll be more safe there you need to
create barriers between you and people
who want to want to hurt you are you
saying that your name isn't riddled with
lightning this whole time no it's not
it's not it's not
but we like we grew up like like when we
first were introduced the internet we're
like we oh no it's full of
p evil predators so we have to be
careful about who do we we we
communicate with online we were all
taught that growing up i think i don't
think they really harp on that anymore
and i think they should a little bit but
i don't know fear-mongering you don't
get so far there can be good people
online but there's
there are sketchy people and it's really
hard to
um
gauge how much distance you should
put yourself
you you between um other online people
i'm that kind of i'm kind of waffling
i'm sorry
um
when on the internet was a newer thing
and there was a lot more fear-mongering
about it maybe perhaps justified in some
cases
it was scary it was unknown parents
couldn't control it parents didn't know
what was going on so a lot of heavy
steps for safety were put in place but
unfortunately much like when you have a
neighbor's dog when you first move in
that barks at you and it startles you
when you pass by the fence over time
you stop getting startled by the dog
just same way it is with the internet um
now that the internet's so dull uncommon
to the fact that we were carrying around
in our pocket something we did not even
have a concept of long ago
parents have now become extremely
relaxed and they stop paying attention
to reality of what goes on out there
they think that a child predator or
somebody down the street with a
windowless fan they don't think that
child predation isn't just um what
happens in terms of physical touch it
can also be soliciting nude photography
it can also be having sexual
communication via erotic role play which
happens a lot because unfortunately when
kids hit puberty they they get all those
intrusive thoughts and they start acting
on them and stuff like that they of
course want to feed it because it's a
new sensation to them and they run into
absolute scumbags that's a problem but
it's only a problem that adults and
grown-ups can solve or the people in
authority in these rooms can solve and
it takes work
and unfortunately there's a lot of
parents that don't actually want to put
work into things
and also like this is also knowledge for
children as well to not
get yourself put into situations you
don't feel comfortable in you you always
have the right to say no
when someone online asks for this or ask
for that
just just
do not like always say no like get
either get help get someone you trust
to look over it and like like help you
or just block a person
um you don't feel pressure to things
that you don't feel comfortable in even
if they think you think that they're in
some kind of position that you'll get
ahead or
you'll you know like they're a streamer
and you want to get get to know them or
they're a youtuber
and just because they're
a person online that you want to get to
know you're not obligated to do things
that make you feel uncomfortable
um yeah last thing i'll add before we
kind of move on i think we need maybe
break down discord a little bit more for
the for the boomers out there this one's
going out to you um yeah one of the
things that i learned while doing this
the kp work is um trying to
like as a youtuber we've talked about
this before is as anyone on the internet
like with some kind of
influence if that's what you want to
call it just have to be really aware as
far as
people aren't making themselves
uncomfortable to put on a face to you to
get you to approve them if that makes
sense and you know like i
am all for you know children having
access to the discord in a community if
it's safe but i think too like if they
have access to
i mean
a lot of youtubers have their own fan
servers right now and a lot of we're not
in right now they they're popping up
just with everything else just with
gaming you know because discord is like
you can make a group for everyone where
it's also yep so if your kid has like a
a youtuber who watches and they play
minecraft they might have like a
minecraft server that they
a minecraft discord that they talk
through and stuff like that and then you
that's how
the user interacts with the youtuber
these days used to be on the comments
beneath the video now it's a lot now
it's a lot of times through discord or
through twitter
yeah so you know just kind of keep an
eye about or around like how
your children is or trying or going
around that kind of community because
you know i just don't want to because
everyone could be there including not
only yeah everyone can be there because
they're attracted to you know whatever
the youtube it is and they can just they
can use that as a common interest ground
and be like oh you like this person i
like that person and then you know
can get it's the least
so um
so um lio tell me more about discord for
the modern boomer how does what do you
mean online chat room
discord being an online chat room
essentially breaks down to it is a place
you can go an application
for the boomers here it's just like your
walmart application or your
facebook application where instead of
individual profiles that you have to
visit to talk to somebody it's all in
one giant room and there's multiple
different rooms you can be in at any
given time up to 90 something i believe
and all these have sub rooms in them
and they all focus around different
communities or different personalities
or whatever have you and your kids can
operate in there and talk to anybody
they want and unfortunately anybody can
talk to them too so that's why the block
button is there
yeah um you know they have plenty of how
to use discord uh youtube videos on the
youtube if you want to learn more
information about that i guess you know
you if you're making a friend for if
you're making a group for your daughter
and like her online friends if you want
to just be the moderator because she's
12 like i feel like that's probably
something worth looking into yeah it's
it's like you're doing a big thing so
you know you can
it's it's a way just to keep an eye on
things and if people are coming in and
out of the server you know who they are
and they're not just like
you know stranger danger
um
so yeah it's it's and discord is pretty
easy to use once you get used to the
interface it's not
it's not particularly it may look scary
because of a lot of the group chats
sometimes but it's not that bad i
promise so
um okay moving on leo uh what are some
tips for moderators or what is a
moderator for again the boomers and then
what are some tips for moderators to
look out for any um
sus behavior as the kids call it
a moderator for for boomer you know
analog is the closest thing to like your
boss
in the room they can remove people they
can mute people they can make it to
where you can't type they can stick you
in rooms that you can't do anything they
can remove you from the server
completely and block you they can just
kick you from the room temporarily they
have full control over what goes on in
that room and so much as who's allowed
to stay and who's allowed to speak
so
that's how the moderator tends to
operate that is their job and if they
are not practicing due diligence servers
go out of control and people become
scumbags and
bad behavior begets more bad behavior
um
and like for people who aren't used to
looking out for a manipulative tactics
what are some phrasing or what is
supporting or what is some like you know
behavior that might be
kind of um something to maybe
investigate further
you're so mature for your age
is a classic it's what a lot of
predators try to use to open up the
children the child too
the validation yep that borders on like
love bombing which is a cult tactic
you try to get someone's favor by
praising them
in certain ways and then they lower
their guard and they they they think you
like them because
um they're giving you positive attention
and other
red flags or somebody who wants to do as
erotic role play or any role play really
without getting solid verification over
age even if it's just you saying i'm x
and if they do
get your verification and they are not
also a minor and they are still able to
go with it you need to distance yourself
from that person immediately
unfortunately what a lot of these
predators do is they use emotional
manipulation they become friends with
these kids and make the kids reliant on
them that's usually the dynamic there so
sometimes it's a struggle getting the
kids to understand no you are being
taken advantage of oh that's not your
friend and you need to leave them alone
and we need to get these people reported
to the police so they can be properly
dealt with because these kids they don't
have um an overall understanding of
what's going on other than this makes me
feel good because i'm around somebody
who validates me even if sometimes
they don't think about the fact that
this person's also lied to them or made
threats or whatever so there's a lot
that goes into that as there is anything
else but it's always going to come down
to a predator
is going to try to sucker you he's going
to try to validate you he's going to
want you to get your guard down so he's
going to praise you he's going to
overstate your importance or he's going
to tell you how much you mean to him and
what he'll do if you're not around one
of the biggest ones and a little bit of
content warning here a lot of them like
to fall back on the tried and true if
you're not around or if you tell people
what we've done i'm going to kill myself
just
yeah just about everyone ran into tries
that tactic because unfortunately with a
lot of kids it works it works a lot less
with adults for the most part there's of
course abusive relationships there in
adulthood as well but for predation
specifically it doesn't work as well
with adults because we're a little more
steeled to that so our response to that
is okay then do it but with kids they're
terrified so people use that as a tactic
yeah they're they're worried that a
person's actually gonna do it they never
do it they know what they're doing they
know there's a manipulation tactic but
yeah that's
that's some of the key things wanting
private conversations with the children
wanting to
isolate them that's how these people
operate because when it comes down to it
we use the term predator obviously but
there's more that leads to that
what does a predator do a predator
isolates prey a predator um
tries to destroy it
a leopard doesn't go after a group of
gazelles it goes after the weakest one
alone because he can take it
correct isolated so we call them
predators for the obvious fact of their
preying on children but also because
their activity is much like
an apex predator where they're looking
for something weak to prey on
that's what you have to do and
it's harder to get kids to understand it
because there's part of them that you're
an authority figure and if they're
teenagers they automatically want to
buck against that because that's just
the teenagers right essentially they
they want to
show the old people they don't know what
they're talking about but they really
need to understand this isn't a matter
of
i think your rock and roll is too loud
and too grungy it's a
these people are going not not can but
are going to hurt you
and you have the ability to stop them
and you need to because they're not they
don't care about you
they don't care about what you're going
through they just want you for their own
vile gratification that's all you are
today
a lot of times the psas when it comes to
child grooming they often depict girls
but this could happen to boys too so
don't think if you have a son that that
they're they're safe either from from
this kind of attention unwanted
attention
no question oh no question no question
we've had we've had a few cases of that
as well
the problem we have in society-wise is
for some reason
our society tends to treat female
child predators yeah that that's just
the way it's advertised but i'm just to
make sure that
they're aware this could happen the boys
as well
yeah
well without question and it has and
unfortunately we'll continue to so what
you need to do is
and this is this is where a lot of
people including adults unfortunately
tend to struggle they give too much
information because they they want to be
part of the group they want the
validation they want
to be heard so they'll tell people about
their personal problems their real names
where they live what schools they go to
um all this other stuff that these
strangers on the internet do not need to
know
so you gotta stop you have to be more
guarded you have to be more service
level
if your name is
stevie76
people should know that you like xyz
cartoon
and
your pronouns maybe and
he likes to draw
they don't need to know um my mom and
dad work at safeco they hate each other
um i have suicidal thoughts do you say
that to a therapist or your parents you
don't tell random people because they
will will absolutely weaponize they're
slowly building a profile and they
certainly don't deal
yeah
yeah and you certainly don't need to be
telling people what your kinks are of
all things because again you're a kid
that's gross but secondly
you are putting a massive red flag on
yourself for predators to target you i
think a big problem is like when we were
growing up as kids like all of us wanted
to grow up to be like astronauts or
doctors or something like that but now
these generations they see like youtube
influencers or
um streamers on twitch like those are
like the the professions people want to
grow into and these are online
professions and they see these public
figures out there
and so they believe that they should be
more public about their profiles
even with these online personalities
like you they don't over share any
information they have to
um then you you should be aware of that
as well like even though if you see them
online like on a recording
they're not going to tell you where they
live or
or
or their what their parents name maiden
name is or stuff like that like you they
don't
share more information than they need to
at a given time
um and you should be aware of that as
well just because you see them doesn't
mean that they're they're they're going
to be
you you're going to know their first and
last name they
you shouldn't be giving out your
information either
correct
keeping yourself safe has to be a
proactive thing it can't be a reactive
thing because unfortunately once your
real name and all that's out there so
you can't put it back in the bottle
that's that's one thing in the internet
everything you say you do
once this once is out there it's it's
recorded forever there is no delete
button
you can try to delete the message but it
it's never gonna it's never gonna
actually vanish
no it's not and again this also comes
down to communication your parents need
to know what you're doing online like
they need to
otherwise they're not gonna know how to
protect you and they're not gonna know
what's coming if something goes wrong so
they need to know they need to know what
websites should go on and parents need
to be proactive in checking kids devices
because kids are giving way too much
autonomy about that online for whatever
asinine
reason so um oh go ahead go ahead no go
ahead oh i was just asked in like worst
case situations how do you escalate to
um
police involvement if you need to for
parents i guess
okay here's the key thing that a lot of
people miss when it comes to reporting
predators people like to go to online
tip lines or they like to file
fbi reports what you need to do
is you contact your local police
department
not the police department where the
predator lives
not the fbi you contact your local
police department you give them all the
details you can all the information
and you hope for the best unfortunately
that's what i have to say at the hope
for the best
because our modern
police seem to be more interested in
whether or not somebody's going five
miles over speed limits if they are
whether or not children are getting
prayed on online and i wish that wasn't
the case but we live in that reality so
brace for the police to do nothing in
which case you need to keep yourself
safe and then word needs to be spread
about what the individual did because if
you just leave it to the police in that
case and again i'm not talking about
vigilantism i'm going to talk about
going and breaking the guy's knee no
matter how much you want about warning
people of who he is
trust me i know that one but you have to
let
yeah you have to let your community know
because if you don't she's gonna go to
other people that's how these idiots
always
always work they don't ever stop there's
never a
a one and done like i dealt with
somebody today that was making all sorts
of excuses for
um overlooking somebody's previous child
predation saying well i thought he
learned
if you actually go around thinking stuff
like that you're a [\h__\h]
these people don't learn they're
predators
this is just what they do
you can't be naive victim
correct
it's it's like your dog when he gets
into the food and you scold him and he
looks down but the minute you turn your
back right back in the football that's
that's how that's that's how these
things operate they
and something hasn't stopped them and if
police aren't anybody
you have to minimize
yes
you have to minimize who they're capable
of targeting because it's really easy
for these predators to target people
when nobody knows who they are but if
everybody knows literally who they are
and i do mean who they are down to their
name
they have to find other places to be or
their name completely ruined and they
have to get offline or in the case of
one guy that we busted um
we bullied him into talking to his
therapist about his activity and then
she reported him to the cops and that
guy actually wound up in jail yeah
so
you the communities they the biggest
problem i've seen with a lot of online
communities is they're so obsessed
with only positivity we don't want to
deal with anything icky we don't want to
deal with anything in reality so they
ignore it and for some cases you can do
that for some cases i understand that um
a lot of these places are you can't talk
about politics as much as
no you can't but at the same time this
this isn't the matter of politics this
isn't a matter of oo-woo soft feelings
this is a matter of there are people in
your community that are being targeted
and if you are a leader in your
community you have some level of
responsibility for that now some people
have bucked against that saying well i
don't have that responsibility buddy if
these people are literally watching your
stuff and joining your community yes you
absolutely do just like if i open my
home to somebody and something goes
wrong i need to be on top of that i need
to take care of that that is my
responsibility
it doesn't really matter what your
personal thoughts are on that if you
want to be a leader in a community you
have responsibility as self-earned
responsibility if you don't think you
have it you can delete your channel you
can remove your social media and then
you won't have that responsibility but
nobody wants to do that this always
takes work any form of leadership takes
work and you don't get rid of these
people by making it comfortable for them
i've ran into several situations where
we had one guy who was a predator
and
he found out he had a buddy that was
backing him up that was playing
interference for him
and we dragged him into a call and
ripped him asunder
and then he went to another server
hopped and called to try to calm down
with these people in that server knowing
what he had done noting that he had
aided a child predator not just somebody
who's like into lolicon or whatnot
that's has questionable morals i'm
talking about like an actual person who
preyed on children
and they did not like me coming in there
and tearing into him because well he's
trying to relax
you're not old relaxation and you people
aiding this idiot and being soft you're
not helping your community you're doing
active damage to them because you're
making it seem like it's okay to be this
way and it's not it's not all right get
kids hurt that way
um
man this is a dark episode okay um
so i guess you're in charge of your
server
oh no it's
that the responsibility is dawned on me
but no you're right in the sense that
like i don't think people think about i
think they just think of like oh you
know i want to be famous i won't be
horse famous if that's like a thing
people are still saying in 2022 or
whatever the case and um you know
there's people who are content creators
because they don't have their [\h__\h]
together because they make content as a
another form of escapism or that kind of
thing
and you know
children can get caught up in this right
there's there's
yeah and there's not really a way to
regulate the content creator being a
shitty person or not having their own
[\h__\h] together or stuff like that but you
know if if they're self-aware enough
maybe they just shouldn't make a discord
about it or make a discord group where
everyone is invited or kind of
i don't know you know everyone just
needs therapy at the end of the day
true that
but yeah if that's not something you
signed up for you know then i would
you know agree like on some level if you
know if you make a twitter account and
you have one follower you have one you
have some influence over that one
follower because they're someone like
they think that they like we've talked a
little bit before in the past about like
you know the relationship that people
think they have with online person their
online personalities just like they do
an actor with actors and that kind of
thing and you know they don't know these
people and they're not obligated to
you know do anything because they're an
online personality or that kind of thing
so
just something to note that like that
person is potentially trusting you or
there's trust to be gained throughout
the whole relationship even if they're
someone you've never known or met before
but you know
they're still there and it's i don't
know i'm just kind of rambling now but
it's just something to think about if
you're interested in making content in
general is that you know you have to be
you have to
again you can't it's hard to screen
yourself but you know ideally you're
someone with good morals and you know
ideally you're not someone who's going
to gaslight other people but
sometimes it's not always that way
yeah and just for a quote just for
clarification because you know people
only have the time to hear what they
want to hear i'm not saying if you are a
leader in a community that is your job
to go and actively hunt child predators
i'm saying that when you are shown one
or you are demonstrated there's one in
your midst you have a responsibility to
mark and avoid them and to remove them
from where they are and to speak out
against them i'm not telling you to get
in the in the trenches here i'm not
telling you to help me hump these people
down i'm not telling you to i'm not
telling you to do any of that i'm just
saying you have a level of
responsibility and if you do care about
your community that is something you
will take on and it's okay you don't
have to be downbeated with it all the
time like i said don't expect you to
join in on hunts but when you have
somebody in your server somebody like me
comes to you and says hey here's a
receipt you have x person there who has
actively prayed on a child
i don't want to hear back i don't want
to see drama i want to hear okay and
then i want to see him removed because
at that point if you just don't want to
see drama you need to step away
because this is people we're talking
about this isn't your minecraft channel
or your action figures or the the owl
house or whatever it is the end thing
right now this is a matter of common
decency and the safety of children which
should be paramount in most people's
minds
if you don't want to deal with it either
as a discord mod than just making the 18
plus server
but that is also true like but we're
talking about the safety of children and
this is where they're going to be at
yeah
i mean that that's a valid way to handle
things is just have an 18 plus server
the only problem you might have is of
course people lying about their age but
that you can't have even if they do lie
about their age and you still hear about
predation like adults can be preyed upon
as well you should still oust them
now
for the record when we're talking about
um other servers let's say that say
incentive we find a child predator in
senate what we're going to do is we're
not just going to you know mark and
avoid him we're also going to drag him a
call we're going to get a confession
we're going to make fun of the living
daylights and then we're going to kick
them from the server and then we're
going to post a call and everybody's
going to know exactly who they are not
everybody has to do that you might just
have to remove them and be done with it
but there's some culpability there
regardless it's good to have you you
want to make sure it's dead
yes
bo on both both uh one i want dead two
uh receipts are always
evidence is always the gold standard not
just word but it has to be evident
because anyone can say anything on the
internet as as the the arthur tv show
said
what do you mean
go on the internet and make a lot or
damn it i mess it up go on the internet
and just make stuff up do that
don't worry the the editor will cut it
and that will be perfect thank you
timing will be great yeah thank good
note to editor
i'm going to laugh at they leave that in
just like
we'll
oh my god
anyway on a lighter note so um
i guess before we move on to some fun
story time which i'm sure
a lot of people are interested in um do
you have any advice just for kids since
we've been speaking to the parents the
majority of time but just to reiterate
what is your general advice for kids in
order to
stay safe on the on the internets
your safety has to be in your hands for
quite a bit of this i know it's not fair
i know it's not easy especially if
you're a kid
but you do not owe
people information about yourself you do
not owe them your time you do not owe
them any of that if you want validation
if you want to be part of community i
recommend
less online
more real life um
join community cleanup efforts go to
your local uh
vet clinic and volunteer to take care of
the animal clubs you can do a lot of
things on your own
yeah you can go to school clubs um start
a fight club literally any of these are
better than
getting tangled up with a bunch of
adults be aware that adult business is
not your business and when i say adult
business i mean if you're under 18 don't
get mixed up in the affairs of adults
i've had a lot of idiots they'll see me
tearing into somebody and some kid will
try to come in and try to piggyback off
it and i have to tell them to sit down
to shut up this isn't your business you
don't need to be into here you don't
know what's going on also don't date
predators
yeah we have definitely don't do that
for two reasons number one a big deal
with this while back number one
yeah number one you put yourself in
danger and i'll tell you why in a moment
but number two uh
if you succeed and you report to the
police
it's not going to go anywhere because
it can be
it can be considered entrapment
so
no if that's your intention to make
somebody break the law congratulations
you've done literally nothing but make
somebody go away scot-free the main
reason though and this is what i'd say
by kids not understanding things
three-dimensionally when i say
you're in danger i don't mean that
you're gonna fall in love with the
predator and he's going to pray on you
further what i mean
is it's extremely easy much easier than
people want to ever believe to find out
who you are
online so the predator can find out who
you are dox you swat you and then you
have to explain to your mom why dad's
dead because the cops came in with a
flashbang because you decided to try to
bait a predator so that's gonna be real
here
i mean it's i'm not wrong though and
here's the thing it has to be mean and
kids aren't going to like this
you're not smarter than adults
unfortunately you're not even smarter
than private they're pretty dumb adults
they are they
they are pretty dumb but they know
things around society and how to
how to track things better than you do
because you're not even aware of these
things
we
we we'll get into this story time but i
wound up finding out that a certain
specific person was a child and i was
able to find them to report them to
their parents you don't think a predator
could do the same thing if they have the
same resources and they do because it's
all unlikely they can don't be stupid
you're not going to win any trust
what do you mean i've been using bing
this whole time
heathen she is the lost cause then all
right um so i guess you know you're
i don't know i want to say your work
but your stuff kind of uh
overlaps with the the the lord's work as
they call it um overlaps within the
brony fandom and that kind of thing so i
guess you can probably tell the story
that will be in most demand and then we
can go to one or two others if um until
we run out of things to talk about now
take a nap
well i don't
i don't even know which one would be in
the most demand but i can tell a few
randomly um
okay
i'm surprised you can't the the one in
the circle
there's just so many job players which
where do i start one yeah so i edit this
out but anyway go ahead
that one i wasn't involved in oh okay
nevermind i came i came acting after
that but that was handled poorly
unfortunately and there's some people
that still don't understand that so we
can go over it a little bit so
there was a
my little pony
analyst that went by the screen name of
toon critic y2k
big in my little pony big and thomas the
tank engine for some god awful reason
this individual they don't hate the
atomic the thomas the tank engine fan
i don't hate them i'm just confused by
them
but um his name is zachary keys and for
several years he had been a different
level of scumbag putting hands on people
um having orgies at bronycon
putting
locking somebody out of their hotel room
general scumbag behavior that should
have cost him his position a long time
ago it came to light
technically in the
holiday season of 2017
that he had been in a sexual
communication with a 14 year old
i keep in mind after he's in his 20s
and
here's where i cut them a little slack
very little
brony reviewers
struggle first and foremost in general
any intersocial reaction but they did
not know how to deal with a child
predator at all they didn't know how to
report it they didn't know any of that
so they just stuck with google and
that's a problem so what happened was
this was sat on for about a month
because the person who got the
information didn't want to and i quote
ruin anybody's holiday which still makes
me mad but i'm gonna move on from it
and they dragged him in call they told
him what it was about they gave him 24
hours to turn himself in and then they
dropped information to fbi tip lines
which
again is not how you do it so what
happened was this individual has yet to
face consequences for his actions we've
done
on the back end after all that we've
done everything we can to try to get the
police to actually look further into
this and unfortunately that hasn't
happened but the nice thing about
zachary keys is he is really got things
stupid so what he does is he'll start a
new profile
and within a week he'll tell people who
he is he always does and they come tell
us and then we expose him again and then
he goes into hiding for about another
year
the thing is you've got to report them
properly that's why you have to go to
your local pd
you don't go to an fbi tip line you
can't do bare minimum um i don't want to
interact with actual people work this is
something serious this isn't you making
an online appointment with a dentist
this is dealing with somebody who's
predatory and you can't sit on it like
that either if you're just gathering
data gathering intelligence and
information and evidence that's one
thing because you're building a case but
you don't sit on something like that
because their their eventual end game
because they don't know how law works
was they were thinking they weren't
going to tell anybody about this until
toon critic was in jail
yeah yeah you gotta make a case before
someone goes to jail though
you have to make a case you have to have
trial you have to have pre-trial you
have a lot of it can take years and they
wanted to sit on it and you can't
do that
you can't
i don't i don't know where these people
um got their mentality about how the
world works but it can't come from a
cartoon guys it can't so that's the big
one when going to the police like what
information do people
have like what is the actual information
people turn in
you need to turn in if it's by a chat
lock you need to turn into screen caps
you need to turn in the information
about the individual meaning their real
name and address
and here's where people get really angry
because there's a
uh what's the word i'm looking for
a taboo about the concept of doxxing
that no matter what it's always bad
doxxing when it comes to finding out a
predator's name is justified for the
simple reason of you can't go to the
police and say vegeta 642 diddled a kid
they're not going to know what to do
with that they have no clue so they're
that's going to go in low priority but
if you give them a name you give them an
address all this information evidence
they're more likely to do something with
it they don't always unfortunately
but they're more likely to so you need
to come with any evidence of them
knowing your age talking about how young
you are talking about your role plays
stuff like that so
i actually branches off into other
stories here so
we're gonna go a little bit down the
timeline here so in 2019 it was the last
bronycon
and
there was somebody there
who decided that he'd be
very um
very brazen
and how much of a tough guy he was and
how he's going to protect people from
another individual we'll get into here
shortly that we didn't know was a
monster till later
and
we found out
this idiot who worked at bronycon
security
was trying to get 14 year old girls in
his hotel room to have sex with them
yeah that was a big deal
so
well the thing is what's funny about
this idiot
i didn't have to go digging he put his
driver's license on his instagram don't
put your personal information up on the
internet kids
oh and just to clarify um
conventions are like you know if you're
if your child wants to go to convention
recommend in general as long as you're
with them and keeping them safe and
stuff like that i think conventions can
be great experiences and i deal with a
lot of children at conventions all the
time who are with their parents
um but you know
this is someone who was on discord you
know all the red flag things yes should
bronycon maybe of
maybe maybe uh what's the word riddle
word screen serene yeah maybe bronycon
should have screened their employees a
little better but
that's that's a hindsight thing
no they they flat out made it very clear
they didn't want to comment on it at all
they actually went into one of his
victims dms and tried to gaslight them
yeah and that was well because this this
story actually relates to me a little
bit and like the frustrating thing on my
end is not only that um
you know and i i get
when when people don't want to feel
encounter or when people don't want to
feel accountable one of the things they
will do as a business will say oh you're
you're you're making a scene and my fans
will go after you or my you know
whatever will happen it will make us
like it it will cause x bad thing to
happen if you
go public with this information and um
that's really not true um it's
frustrating that that happens
but it is something that happens but um
to get back to my story um for those who
for those who know for those who have
seen my cancelled video i talk a little
bit about this so i tell kind of this
analog or analogy but essentially
um
the bronycon staff was not working with
me very nicely um
they were really frustrated that i spoke
out publicly against them because they
were basically uh what's more victim
blaming me a little bit for
all the the older stuff that had
happened that week you know that now has
been cleared up
and you know i was really frustrated
because like near the end or near the
beginning of the calm they were trying
to punish me by taking away my vendor
table but then changing their minds last
minute or and it frustrates me so much
that their priority was me someone who
was just dissatisfied with their
business decisions and found them
morally not correct versus you know the
stuff leo's talking about i just hate it
and i hate that that's the priority but
don't be afraid to do your own guts
if you feel like you're getting the
run around and that little that little
that little voice in your head is saying
i think they're just i think they're
making stuff up um
you should probably listen to that voice
because they're probably trying to give
you the workaround and you should
probably pursue it
you can always talk to a therapist and
and see get a therapist point of view
too because they actually have
you know degrees in psychology and they
should be able to tell you this alright
we've got a sure
yeah we gotta go off track continue leo
okay so
when it came down to dealing with
grizzly we had everything
everything we needed to know
we had his name all this
while he lost his job due to this and
i've even had because he was an emt if
that's not terrifying enough
i've had other emt places reach out to
pete just because he applied there and
they looked him up online and found out
about him through my videos
unfortunately there were no charges
pressed because the police made it very
clear and i still have the report that i
filed
they said we need the youngest victim to
also file a report
and she didn't want to
because she did not want her parents to
know
if that that is a shame
and
it is it is absolutely
so
that rolls into unfortunately the other
one we had so one of the
down parts of being a child predator
hunter
is
there's a lot of people who do what's
called troll shielding and i don't know
if that's what you guys if you guys are
too well aware of troll shielding i know
ripley's i don't know if kp is um yeah i
probably will understand once you
explain the the sub like
i want to say once you explain it but
i'll probably get pick up what you're
talking about as you start to explain it
okay troll shielding
is if you are part of a group that can
be targeted from mockery or ridicule you
go to the groups who would do it and you
get in with them and you make fun of
other people similar to you so that
you're not targeted oh yes i don't know
that but yeah it's basically just
bullying someone else so the bullies
don't target you right but we could yes
in this case
go ahead
yes
unfortunately we had two people
that were outed for child predation
after grizzly one
was fusion
and while
the person that he got together with
in his country would have passed legal
muster
technically he still hadn't possession
what is essentially child porn so he got
out it
the second person was actually the
person who initially outed toon critic
joshua keith veda
who
after the tomb critic fiasco decided he
needed to start trying to did a little
girls
and so far he's been caught with three
different
people that he's preyed on and he has
been reported multiple times to the
police and
we're still waiting to see if that goes
anywhere
so he assisted us in several predator
catching
operations he's given platform and all
that but essentially it was just trying
to cover his own nonsense
and he got outed and
his life's kind of miserable now and i'm
completely happy with that now
would you like to hear a story that's a
little funnier though since i've gotten
everybody super depressed
um
yes
i like how riddles like yes
okay we had one child predator who was
dumber than you could ever possibly
imagine
so he tried to make excuses for his
actions he tried to run about of using
alternated counts and at one point he
tried to convince us he was innocent
because
and please don't be drinking anything
when i say this
he said he was possessed
by the ghost of a thomas the tank engine
character what
i am i'm not even kidding i miss this
are there they're even
oh no this would have been the best one
to make pictures out of
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now thankfully it was on twitter uh this
long since gone i think zavaya has a
catalog but no that that was a thing
that happened now
since i give you something funny let's
talk about closer to child safety that
thankfully isn't about a child predator
um is about a child being stupid so
there used to be an account on twitter
called zoofile police
and zoophile police's function was to
report
zoophilic pedophilia
content on twitter
there was an individual who was the head
of this group
at the time named ballana ballana
claimed to be a 27 year old woman who
worked for
raytheon
a
cyber security agency that works through
the government now
somebody and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna
get too into weeds with this but they
made a false accusation of somebody
and that one uploading them on my radar
and coyotes radar and when i got into
chat with them on their server i noticed
they weren't getting a call
and their argumentation was really dumb
so i'm like you're a kid aren't you
and they freaked out and they're like no
i'm i'm xyz thing
so i did some digging
bolana the 27 year old woman
was actually a 16 year old that had used
her mom's id to fool people into
thinking they were an adult
who had it
yeah
who had a history of
well
sexually assaulting their their brother
and self-harm
and all this other nonsense so i wound
up getting
in contact with both parents because
they were divorced
and the lana got pulled off the internet
and i haven't seen them since thank god
but that was a complete and utter mess
but it also proves that you're not
impossible to find i didn't have to go
to the white pages at all to find milana
i just had to follow a paper trail
simple enough by looking up their their
twitter post and seeing where it
correlates with whom what name they used
previously finding that account and then
finding them facebook's the big lynchpin
with a lot of this
yeah it's very simple and you know i had
some people
doubt what i said and i i brought their
most trusted guy in because i wasn't
going to pass it to everybody and i
walked through how i did it like you
people have been getting clowned on
embarrassed and scared of a 16 year old
and then i find out you know this
person's had sexting conversations never
sending their own photos always taking
it from some other site um they had some
people convinced they were a extremely
large woman they had some people
convinced they were a very scrawny one
uh they had some people convinced they
were black others that they were asian
this person was just out there
getting all sorts of attention for um i
i would be cheeky and call them a
reverse predator but that's not quite
how that works but it's obvious people
being too stupid to vet who they're
talking to so that's how a 16 year old
wound up
almost tanking the zoo file police
account through their own incompetency
because they want to pretend like
they're a big boy
so no it's not it's not hard to find
somebody when it comes to like people
lying and stuff like the light is really
good disinfectant for all this kind of
stuff
just just bringing people into actual
accountability like actually talking
with them and stuff is a good way to
like verify if things are true
and um yeah i guess
in well
we'll get to this a little later but
like one of the things i wish i went or
wish i had resources as far as like when
i originally got ptsd is just the
information report uh bogzy and as well
as you know his parents really weren't
really willing to take accountability
for but at the time i had plenty of
evidence to build a legal case if i
really wanted to just to get them sent
to you about to juvenile hall or
something but you know it's
it can be really draining on these
victims when these things happen that
they don't want to have anything to do
with it anymore which i get so i guess
you know
to keep that in mind and keep that in
mind like to protect yourself or to
protect your kids you know
like do you really want to deal with
something of the day like
it's probably easier to um to to
gatekeep a little bit as far as just
being a modern discord than having to
pay for all the trauma therapy your
child needs from something you weren't
paying attention to
yeah and in some cases it just gets
really goofy with dealing with some of
the parents because you know for all for
all the parents we've talked to they've
been reasonable and understanding and
wanted the best for the kids there's
always the idiots so we had an incident
where this dumb kid named xian
decided he'd hop in the server and start
bragging about the dumbest of possible
things like his rapping where he talks
about raping people or he apparently at
one point
for whatever reason sold nudes of his um
classmates
and this is a this is like a kid this is
like a kid
and uh you know they said well that's
behind me and
i'm a changed man
oh no he never claimed that
yeah i get it though uh the parents are
parents aren't really concerned with
that i'm like you know what i don't
believe bringing mom on of course he
didn't have a mom it was a grandma
and i thought i'm gonna explain to this
woman what her grandson's doing and
she'll pull him offline and tell him to
knock it off nah that didn't happen
instead she justified everything he did
so at that point what do you do
well
i did look into it and of course there
was nothing out there about
what happened so you know filing reports
and all that but i didn't have anything
physical to give them
and
we just had to resort to mockery yeah so
we just started making fun of the
grandma for being completely stupid on a
moral level it made her mad yeah
but believe it or not that that kid
showed up a few a few months ago like a
year maybe closer to a year ago this is
this incident was years old it's like
you know what after that call
i've kind of changed my entire life
around i'm really ashamed of all that
stuff the stuff when i did when i was a
kid i want to pursue an actual like
job in the music industry and i want to
get my degree i'm like oh so making fun
of the city actually got him like
flustered enough to change his life so
that's that's a plus still shouldn't
have done that nonsense but
you know kids are going to do really
ridiculous things when they want
attention and unfortunately this person
wasn't in the best of households right
it's like you know the the underlying
issue or the underlying thing i want to
stress is for the parents is that your
kids can commit crime on the internet
and you are eventually going to be held
accountable your children are eventually
going to be held accountable for that in
some way hopefully so you know
keep an eye on what they're doing like
you know nothing justifies
that's gonna be kind of embarrassing
yeah people i mean and why i'm sure you
you know this too but people because
it's online and because their face is
shielded and all those obstacles are out
of the way i think they just think it's
not real you know until [\h__\h] starts in
the fan and they're like oh wait what do
you mean you mean i can be held
accountable for that thing i thought it
didn't count because it was on the
internet
if you want i got a fun story for that
sure
okay so there were these two dumb
teenagers sarah brought them into senate
to essentially tell them both to knock
it off and go their own separate ways
and out of curiosity i hopped in the
call
and
the one kid
the the most aggressive one like lost
his mind when i took a short tone with
him and went on about how he wanted to
kill me how he's been in gangs how he's
six foot two and 132 pounds which is
anemic oddly enough
and talking all this game i told him if
you do not knock it off i'm going to
call your school
he didn't believe me
took me all of an hour to find him
and i called his school
and he got in trouble and he was mad
about it he's still mad about it like he
he doesn't want to understand that it's
not just the internet bro um why'd you
call people about something i just said
on the internet because it has long
lasting complications i said do you
don't you don't realize it i could have
just told the cops that you had guns and
you were in school and that would have
been the end of it completely you're
lucky i'm not a terrible person
all because you decided to get smart and
call and call somebody's bluff never do
that to somebody who's confident you're
an idiot kid he's still about mad about
that but it's still kind of funny
because he uh
during the day before he went to school
and found out it all happened he was
dm'ing sarah's like um if he calls my
school nothing's gonna happen
he's he's not actually going to call my
school is he and sarah's like he's a man
of his word and it happened and the
kid's still mad about it
don't be sending death threats online
yeah please don't um i guess for people
who want to um kind of be in the
internet cop role i don't know i don't
know if you've official title or you
know you have a you have a badge or
anything like that uh so where can
people learn information where can
people start to gain credibility if they
want to take a bigger
bigger step in like being a
server mart or just you know protecting
others if they want to they want to feel
like batman
well
number one you don't want to feel like
batman because when you do you wind up
like me and you got literal lunatics
kicking down your door at all given
times like we haven't had to deal with
two of them today alone
but what you want to do in terms of
responsibility is make sure that your
morals are consistent and that you are
consistent in executing them make sure
that you're somebody people can trust so
when you say
xyz thing xyz thing is how it is and how
it is consistently across the board try
not to play favorites try not to make
excuses and always own what you say and
what you do
being a good person it's easy just do it
the world is much easier and much less
complicated if you don't live in a web
of lies because you have to keep track
of all the lies my mother
is is is like this she she is she
constructs constructs her own little
worlds of fibs and stuff so sometimes
she forgets about it and we can catch
her in the lies um when it comes to true
yeah but
but when it comes to like predation like
they have to create these scenarios in
order to get around
like reality
and the just the amount of mental power
it requires
um you can you can you can often catch
them in there they're they're they're
they're silly nonsense
well i'm
do you have any other fun stories you
would like to share live because i think
we're we're good with questions unless
we don't notice no i think we're about
to do the end on my end
yeah and as far as fun stories go i mean
some of them are literally up on sarah's
channel where you have some of the calls
that i've been in dealing with can you
elaborate
i don't know what that means
oh sarah sarah
sarah goes by the name of queen
seraphina you can find her on youtube
she's done like
large info drops on people like falconic
chaos or that junk man she tends to
cover the internet i did not know of
those things that exists
yep
people who are getting online then being
shown to be misbehaving online it's it's
it's it's a a large chunk of her channel
or a lot of the older stuff
yeah yep and you'd be surprised to see
how many people want to get in contact
with their parents
this sounds fun okay well i guess you
get i mean that's always you can you can
always
see what other people do to out your
predators and just take notes i guess
okay leo and where can i where can the
people find you for your if you have if
they have questions further or for your
own content and all that stuff
oh okay they can find me in the nursing
home down the street
but no seriously
they they can find me on on youtube on
twitter um lylemanbad on twitter
wherever you get to see me interacting
with the rains on a daily basis
unfortunately or you can look at my
channel if you just want entertainment
for
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for information about how to do proper
child predator hunting
number one your before you even delve
into that make sure you have like the
mental fortitude to do it because it's
not easy it's not fun
in a lot of cases
it's always fun to clown on a dirt bag
but it's not always fun in terms of
dealing with the fallout or sometimes
realizing man the cops are not going to
do anything about this and that kid
that kid's gonna be traumatized and
there's nothing you can do for them
you've gotta be if you do not have an
iron-clad mind don't do it if you're
prone to emotional breakdowns if you're
prone to
night terrors if you're prone to panic
attacks and anxiety don't do it find
better ways to serve your community than
predator hunting because you're going to
destroy yourself if you do that easiest
way is just really block them and call
them a scumbag and tell everyone else
around you that's that's all you really
need to do to help your communities and
help the surrounding communities and
you're doing a good job at that point
and i imagine um but just imagine this
is a yes but just to reiterate for the
sake of the podcast if children or
adults have questions about this further
they can contact you correct
yes but for children specifically i'm
going to ask that they try to talk to
their parents first what i can trust the
man about on the internet about
predatory behavior what could possibly
go wrong
you can but at the same time
talk to your parents we're signing up to
toontown
yeah whatever happened to just kids
asking their parents permission before
they do stuff online
they you know
i don't know i don't know
i
it's you know
mom can i bully can i bully it i get my
bully license
ingrained oh you don't get the license i
thought you were going to say you were
you earned the license
exactly that that's how it becomes part
of you you have to earn it you gotta you
gotta bully enough people that are being
scumbags yeah and leo in general i
appreciate you know what you do and a
lot of the communities we've both shared
have had their
share of
dumbs and not handling the situations
correctly so you know i'm glad you're
here to not take anyone [\h__\h] and thank
you for being the internet's father
idiots
[Laughter]
one more time hey everyone everyone
who's listening can you dm that oh no
oh
lit
oh well thanks for having me
having us on your podcast lyo i mean
wait
thanks for joining us on our podcast lyo
yeah you might want to reverse that one
buddy
oh that
lapras yeah i i got you and riddle
obviously he's known you very long so he
also speaks slightly of you right right
now a problem
six to seven years now
time flies
yeah
yep
time flies when you're old men together
well i think that's a wrap
all right um oh i'm trying to think if
there's any other announcements that we
got to make before the end of the
podcast have a well we're recording this
pre-fourth of july so i hope you had a
good fourth of
yeah and fireworks day
happy july
happy hot dogs father yeah that thing
sorry
i'm tired
and if you blow a little and if you blow
a limb or a finger obviously let's have
a cool sword
um
yeah i
think we're good for con updates or
whatever because we did that last time
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